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S5: Boy, I've seen something change. I've seen the evangelical world

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S5: Yeah, and I mean, it brings up some obvious questions

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S5: He's widely known because of the impact that he's had

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S1: Sold nearly 20 million copies. Yeah, that's right, 20 million

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S5: I gotta tell you, if I look at the spiritual landscape,

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S6: Well, basically, you know, if you go to the definition

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S5: focus on this thing, the word that we brought to you.

441
00:24:51,609 --> 00:24:54,850
S5: Because words matter. How do I know this? Go to

442
00:24:54,890 --> 00:24:59,850
S5: Galatians one. Paul told that church. Whoa! You guys are

443
00:24:59,850 --> 00:25:03,369
S5: missing it. Some of you have deserted God. And here's

444
00:25:03,369 --> 00:25:07,010
S5: how they were bringing a different gospel. And I'll tell

445
00:25:07,010 --> 00:25:10,330
S5: you what the different gospel was. The different gospel was

446
00:25:10,609 --> 00:25:14,490
S5: that there was a little bit of communication going on

447
00:25:14,490 --> 00:25:17,650
S5: that said, yeah, this is God that's going to do

448
00:25:17,650 --> 00:25:20,010
S5: this work in you. And a whole lot of the

449
00:25:20,050 --> 00:25:25,210
S5: work that you do as well, that gospel where it's

450
00:25:25,210 --> 00:25:32,330
S5: grace plus anything equals heresy As a matter of fact,

451
00:25:32,369 --> 00:25:37,290
S5: he said, the apostle Paul, let a person be accursed.

452
00:25:37,530 --> 00:25:41,050
S5: Heavy word. If they bring to you a different gospel,

453
00:25:41,050 --> 00:25:44,810
S5: even if he says it twice, even if an angel

454
00:25:45,050 --> 00:25:48,090
S5: were to bring to you a different gospel, let them

455
00:25:48,130 --> 00:25:51,290
S5: be accursed. So I want to tell you some words

456
00:25:51,290 --> 00:25:54,209
S5: that we, we will never bring to you here. We

457
00:25:54,210 --> 00:25:57,490
S5: will never bring to you a word that will you

458
00:25:57,490 --> 00:26:01,330
S5: accept Jesus today. And here's why. To say will you

459
00:26:01,330 --> 00:26:05,090
S5: accept Jesus means in essence, or can be translated in

460
00:26:05,090 --> 00:26:11,130
S5: your heart, that I'm accepting Jesus without having laid down,

461
00:26:11,170 --> 00:26:13,050
S5: as we're going to see here in a moment in

462
00:26:13,210 --> 00:26:19,410
S5: First Thessalonians, without having laid down the idols that have

463
00:26:19,410 --> 00:26:28,490
S5: our emotional, spiritual, financial attachments. So Jesus is not someone

464
00:26:28,490 --> 00:26:33,200
S5: to accept you. Don't accept him. I've used this metaphor.

465
00:26:33,240 --> 00:26:38,160
S5: It's been about a month, two months. Three. We've got

466
00:26:38,200 --> 00:26:41,960
S5: a big thing going on with the bears here in Chicagoland.

467
00:26:42,000 --> 00:26:44,720
S5: They're making it way further. We had Tony Dungy on air,

468
00:26:44,720 --> 00:26:47,480
S5: and he told us. He told he predicted, I can't

469
00:26:47,480 --> 00:26:51,080
S5: wait to talk to Tony again, man. And he'll say, well,

470
00:26:51,080 --> 00:26:53,320
S5: this is the way football goes. But he said, I

471
00:26:53,320 --> 00:26:56,359
S5: don't think anyway, the bears are going to make it

472
00:26:56,359 --> 00:27:00,600
S5: to the playoffs. Well, they're in the playoffs. And now

473
00:27:00,600 --> 00:27:03,080
S5: we're two wins away, two wins away from Super Bowl.

474
00:27:03,119 --> 00:27:03,760
S3: Two wins away.

475
00:27:03,800 --> 00:27:04,400
S7: Yeah that's.

476
00:27:04,560 --> 00:27:11,360
S5: Crazy. So here's the deal. If you look at how

477
00:27:11,640 --> 00:27:17,040
S5: we the bears won the last couple of games, it's

478
00:27:17,040 --> 00:27:20,679
S5: due in large part to some accurate passing. Let's go

479
00:27:20,720 --> 00:27:23,600
S5: with the metaphor here. Let's just say that God's in

480
00:27:23,680 --> 00:27:29,119
S5: that pastor role. He's offering you something. Those wide receivers

481
00:27:29,119 --> 00:27:33,040
S5: and those tight ends that we have. If you notice something,

482
00:27:33,040 --> 00:27:35,600
S5: they didn't just accept the ball that was coming through

483
00:27:35,600 --> 00:27:40,000
S5: the air. That's why they're called receivers. They tuck that

484
00:27:40,000 --> 00:27:44,840
S5: baby in. Accepting Jesus is like kind of holding them

485
00:27:44,840 --> 00:27:48,399
S5: out there like yeah, yeah, maybe even a deep yeah.

486
00:27:48,400 --> 00:27:54,320
S5: I accept Jesus without laying down the idols that we've

487
00:27:54,320 --> 00:27:57,720
S5: been bowing down to, to drive life from. So accepting

488
00:27:57,720 --> 00:28:02,760
S5: is not a good word. Inviting Jesus into your heart

489
00:28:03,080 --> 00:28:07,439
S5: is not even a good word, because we can invite

490
00:28:07,440 --> 00:28:11,080
S5: Jesus into our heart. And it means nothing with regard

491
00:28:11,080 --> 00:28:13,160
S5: to salvation or transformation.

492
00:28:13,160 --> 00:28:16,400
S3: And to take that metaphor just even a little bit farther,

493
00:28:16,800 --> 00:28:19,760
S3: you can always tell who has the ball on the

494
00:28:19,760 --> 00:28:23,000
S3: field because of how they're running. You know, the guys

495
00:28:23,000 --> 00:28:25,400
S3: who don't have the ball are running differently than the

496
00:28:25,400 --> 00:28:28,550
S3: guy who does have the ball, because he's running with

497
00:28:28,550 --> 00:28:31,150
S3: the fact that he has the ball in his mind,

498
00:28:31,150 --> 00:28:35,910
S3: and so he's running differently when when we receive the ball,

499
00:28:36,030 --> 00:28:38,550
S3: we grab it, we tuck it in, and then we

500
00:28:38,550 --> 00:28:40,350
S3: run like we have it. Yeah.

501
00:28:40,990 --> 00:28:44,830
S5: And you're running one defined direction as well. You got

502
00:28:44,870 --> 00:28:48,550
S5: one goal. We are. We are running to win. Yep. Right. Yep.

503
00:28:48,590 --> 00:28:53,430
S5: We're running to win. Totally different thing. It changes the

504
00:28:53,430 --> 00:28:58,150
S5: intensity and direction of the person who is receiving it.

505
00:28:58,950 --> 00:29:02,630
S5: So when you take hold of receiving the gospel, look

506
00:29:02,670 --> 00:29:08,350
S5: out every everything changes. Accepting. Hey, who doesn't want to

507
00:29:08,350 --> 00:29:11,270
S5: add a little bit of Jesus to your life? And

508
00:29:11,270 --> 00:29:16,350
S5: when the risk is heaven or hell for eternity and

509
00:29:16,350 --> 00:29:18,229
S5: you ask a little kid, hey, do you want to

510
00:29:18,230 --> 00:29:21,990
S5: go to heaven versus hell? Well, my goodness.

511
00:29:22,390 --> 00:29:24,990
S3: I don't know a kid who would answer no to that.

512
00:29:25,030 --> 00:29:28,390
S5: That's that's like a choice between broccoli and Skittles.

513
00:29:28,750 --> 00:29:29,590
S7: Scaring them to death.

514
00:29:29,630 --> 00:29:30,190
S3: Exactly.

515
00:29:30,230 --> 00:29:37,830
S5: Yeah. So. Let me tell you what happened to me.

516
00:29:39,230 --> 00:29:43,430
S5: February 11th, cold day in Anchorage. I want to be

517
00:29:43,430 --> 00:29:47,430
S5: very clear with what I say here, because some of you, Satan,

518
00:29:47,430 --> 00:29:50,630
S5: could use the words that I say to justify where

519
00:29:50,630 --> 00:29:53,950
S5: you are, and he will succeed in leaving you as

520
00:29:53,950 --> 00:29:58,110
S5: you are. And that would be really dangerous. February 11th,

521
00:29:58,150 --> 00:30:02,030
S5: cold winter day in Alaska. Pretty good kid growing up.

522
00:30:02,030 --> 00:30:05,750
S5: Carl was talk third person here for a little bit.

523
00:30:07,070 --> 00:30:12,310
S5: He went to church. He memorized verses. He accepted Jesus

524
00:30:12,310 --> 00:30:20,190
S5: into his heart. He was baptized. He was still looking

525
00:30:20,190 --> 00:30:23,670
S5: for that thing to fill that void in his life

526
00:30:23,830 --> 00:30:29,420
S5: that Pascal speaks of that God shaped void. So still

527
00:30:29,420 --> 00:30:34,219
S5: going to church added to it the pursuit of competing

528
00:30:34,220 --> 00:30:37,820
S5: in the Iditarod Trail Sled Dog Race. Heard the finish

529
00:30:37,820 --> 00:30:39,459
S5: of that race and I said, man, I got to

530
00:30:39,460 --> 00:30:48,060
S5: go do that. It was a sickening feeling to get

531
00:30:48,060 --> 00:30:52,220
S5: all the way to Nome, Alaska, at 18 years of age,

532
00:30:53,020 --> 00:30:56,620
S5: be walking down the streets of Nome, sleep deprived all

533
00:30:56,620 --> 00:31:00,220
S5: my gear on fox mittens, beaver hat, all my cold

534
00:31:00,220 --> 00:31:07,940
S5: weather gear. Just couldn't sleep and feeling like what? That

535
00:31:07,940 --> 00:31:13,460
S5: was it. All that work, years of training, getting to know.

536
00:31:14,860 --> 00:31:20,740
S5: And so that sense of accomplishment was, man, that that

537
00:31:20,740 --> 00:31:25,770
S5: euphoric thing just quickly faded from my heart. It was gone.

538
00:31:25,770 --> 00:31:28,490
S5: It couldn't fill that void. It couldn't fill me up.

539
00:31:29,370 --> 00:31:33,450
S5: No amount of personal pursuits, no amount of money, no

540
00:31:33,450 --> 00:31:40,250
S5: amount of platforming can do it. Can't do it. So

541
00:31:40,250 --> 00:31:43,850
S5: I had a choice that night. I really do believe

542
00:31:43,890 --> 00:31:45,969
S5: God was speaking to me, but I listened to the

543
00:31:45,970 --> 00:31:50,890
S5: voice of Satan and demonic forces and in my frustration,

544
00:31:50,890 --> 00:31:53,250
S5: I decided I'm going to go make my way here.

545
00:31:54,090 --> 00:31:58,690
S5: Still a pretty good kid. Going to church. Could sing

546
00:31:58,690 --> 00:32:03,930
S5: all the songs, had the gig down. I had accepted Jesus.

547
00:32:04,450 --> 00:32:08,970
S5: I'd been baptized. But man, there was one thing I

548
00:32:08,970 --> 00:32:12,570
S5: hadn't done and it was the gap between an eternity

549
00:32:12,650 --> 00:32:17,130
S5: separated from God and one that would be embraced by

550
00:32:17,130 --> 00:32:22,410
S5: God not only for eternity, but today on earth. And

551
00:32:22,410 --> 00:32:24,250
S5: I went out for a few years and I made

552
00:32:24,250 --> 00:32:26,090
S5: a mess of my life. Now this is where you

553
00:32:26,090 --> 00:32:28,370
S5: can get thrown off. You can go, oh boy, bless

554
00:32:28,370 --> 00:32:30,610
S5: your heart. You went out and did cocaine. Yeah, I

555
00:32:30,610 --> 00:32:32,850
S5: did a lot of it. Got hooked on it big time.

556
00:32:33,370 --> 00:32:37,690
S5: Hooked on alcohol, big time. Party animal. Still holding down

557
00:32:37,690 --> 00:32:42,930
S5: phenomenal jobs. Had the resources to be able to feed

558
00:32:42,930 --> 00:32:47,410
S5: my habits, my idols. But this is where I don't

559
00:32:47,410 --> 00:32:51,690
S5: want you to get lost. February 11th of that cold

560
00:32:51,690 --> 00:32:58,050
S5: winter day when in my total depletion, the gospel came

561
00:32:58,050 --> 00:33:01,050
S5: to me in a whisper and God just said to me,

562
00:33:01,050 --> 00:33:06,490
S5: are you done yet? And on that day I was

563
00:33:06,490 --> 00:33:11,170
S5: filled with conviction and affliction and also the joy of

564
00:33:11,170 --> 00:33:16,130
S5: the Holy Spirit. Just like Paul wrote to the Thessalonians

565
00:33:17,210 --> 00:33:22,640
S5: on that day, I received Jesus Christ as my Lord.

566
00:33:24,080 --> 00:33:26,840
S5: But there was something else that I did that was very,

567
00:33:26,840 --> 00:33:32,320
S5: very important. Coming up here in just a moment, I

568
00:33:32,320 --> 00:33:36,400
S5: want to tell you what that something else is. That

569
00:33:36,400 --> 00:33:41,000
S5: is the truest indicator that you are chosen by God.

570
00:33:41,760 --> 00:33:44,080
S5: That he's called you out of darkness into the light,

571
00:33:44,080 --> 00:33:48,760
S5: and that you are genuinely a born again person. And

572
00:33:48,760 --> 00:33:53,080
S5: for some of you, today you will become that person.

573
00:33:53,800 --> 00:33:56,160
S5: I want to give you that in just a moment.

574
00:33:56,720 --> 00:34:00,720
S2: Walking closer to Jesus every day. You're listening to Carl

575
00:34:00,720 --> 00:34:01,360
S2: and crew.

576
00:34:01,400 --> 00:34:07,040
S5: It's an amazing letter that begins in First Thessalonians. Paul says,

577
00:34:07,080 --> 00:34:09,080
S5: and I can just imagine what he's feeling when he

578
00:34:09,080 --> 00:34:12,520
S5: writes this. For we know brothers loved by God, that

579
00:34:12,520 --> 00:34:16,680
S5: he has chosen you, because this is the evidence. Our

580
00:34:16,680 --> 00:34:19,560
S5: gospel came to you not only in word. In other words,

581
00:34:19,560 --> 00:34:23,439
S5: he gave him the truth, but also in power and

582
00:34:23,440 --> 00:34:25,840
S5: in the Holy Spirit. And that's what we are praying

583
00:34:25,840 --> 00:34:27,759
S5: in this moment that the Spirit of God will do.

584
00:34:27,800 --> 00:34:36,239
S5: Now here's what happened with full conviction, with full conviction. And,

585
00:34:36,239 --> 00:34:38,440
S5: you know, he says, what kind of men we proved

586
00:34:38,440 --> 00:34:41,360
S5: to be among yourselves, and you became imitators of us

587
00:34:41,360 --> 00:34:44,560
S5: and of the Lord Jesus Christ. For you receive the

588
00:34:44,560 --> 00:34:50,240
S5: word with much affliction. So conviction, affliction. And here's what's

589
00:34:50,239 --> 00:34:55,600
S5: wild with the joy of the Holy Spirit. How can

590
00:34:55,640 --> 00:34:57,920
S5: someone know that they've been born again? There's going to

591
00:34:57,920 --> 00:35:02,440
S5: be conviction and affliction and joy of the Holy Spirit.

592
00:35:02,440 --> 00:35:06,880
S5: But here's the kicker. Here's what happened in them. Because

593
00:35:07,040 --> 00:35:11,759
S5: Paul goes on to write for they themselves report. They're

594
00:35:11,760 --> 00:35:18,320
S5: getting words back about what happened in Thessalonica, the kind

595
00:35:18,320 --> 00:35:21,070
S5: of reception that we had among you, and how you

596
00:35:21,070 --> 00:35:26,910
S5: turned to God from idols to serve the living and

597
00:35:26,910 --> 00:35:30,350
S5: true God, and to wait for his son from heaven,

598
00:35:31,190 --> 00:35:34,310
S5: whom he raised from the dead. Jesus, who delivers us

599
00:35:34,310 --> 00:35:37,950
S5: from the wrath to come. So look what happens here

600
00:35:37,950 --> 00:35:41,870
S5: in just a few verses with this group of brand new,

601
00:35:41,870 --> 00:35:45,189
S5: born again followers of Christ in Thessalonica who had the

602
00:35:45,230 --> 00:35:49,470
S5: real deal. Not not a fake one, but the real deal.

603
00:35:50,350 --> 00:35:55,390
S5: They they identified who or what they were trying to

604
00:35:55,390 --> 00:36:00,390
S5: derive life from. That's idolatry. And they set down those

605
00:36:00,390 --> 00:36:06,630
S5: idols with conviction and affliction and turned to God. It's repentance.

606
00:36:07,550 --> 00:36:14,870
S5: That's the gospel that Jesus shared. He said, repent, follow me.

607
00:36:16,070 --> 00:36:18,140
S5: You know, there's no way that we're fit for the

608
00:36:18,140 --> 00:36:20,500
S5: kingdom of God. As long as we've got idols in

609
00:36:20,500 --> 00:36:23,020
S5: our hands. And some of you might wonder is, is

610
00:36:23,020 --> 00:36:28,180
S5: that really true for me? It is absolutely true. The

611
00:36:28,180 --> 00:36:33,700
S5: day when God called me, it was with conviction and

612
00:36:33,700 --> 00:36:37,020
S5: affliction and joy of the Holy Spirit. And here's what

613
00:36:37,020 --> 00:36:39,500
S5: I want to say. Some of you might say, well, yeah,

614
00:36:39,500 --> 00:36:41,500
S5: you had to sit down. Cocaine? No. Let me tell

615
00:36:41,500 --> 00:36:44,939
S5: you what. The idol was behind the cocaine. You ready

616
00:36:44,940 --> 00:36:50,620
S5: for this? It was self. It was me. And at

617
00:36:50,620 --> 00:36:54,700
S5: the end of the day, behind every idol that a

618
00:36:54,739 --> 00:36:59,220
S5: lost person who's on a broad path leading to destruction.

619
00:36:59,219 --> 00:37:03,620
S5: And what Paul said is the wrath of God is

620
00:37:03,620 --> 00:37:08,700
S5: the sin of self. Trying to figure out how to

621
00:37:08,739 --> 00:37:12,739
S5: derive life in this world without the life of Christ,

622
00:37:12,739 --> 00:37:18,660
S5: without humbling, without surrendering, and without following Jesus Christ. I'm

623
00:37:18,660 --> 00:37:21,860
S5: not asking you to accept Jesus. Do you know how

624
00:37:21,860 --> 00:37:25,700
S5: many people are on the broad path that accept accepted Jesus?

625
00:37:25,940 --> 00:37:27,060
S3: I was there for a time.

626
00:37:27,219 --> 00:37:28,940
S5: Yeah. You were there.

627
00:37:29,020 --> 00:37:29,580
S7: Mhm.

628
00:37:29,940 --> 00:37:32,820
S5: To some degree. Super die. Even though you were raised

629
00:37:32,820 --> 00:37:36,980
S5: Greek Orthodox, you you had a knowledge of God and

630
00:37:36,980 --> 00:37:37,700
S5: you would have thought.

631
00:37:37,700 --> 00:37:39,860
S7: Accepted who he was. Yeah. Yeah, yeah.

632
00:37:42,900 --> 00:37:48,740
S5: But when conviction and affliction over your life, the life

633
00:37:48,739 --> 00:37:53,380
S5: that you've made for yourself when that comes, and the

634
00:37:53,380 --> 00:37:56,820
S5: joy of the Holy Spirit rushes in, there's two things

635
00:37:56,820 --> 00:38:01,340
S5: that happen. You receive the gospel in such a way

636
00:38:02,300 --> 00:38:06,540
S5: that you let go of idols, and you turn and

637
00:38:06,540 --> 00:38:12,020
S5: follow Jesus Christ. So I'm not asking you to invite

638
00:38:12,020 --> 00:38:15,420
S5: Jesus into your heart. I'm not asking you to believe

639
00:38:15,570 --> 00:38:19,730
S5: the demons. Believe their monotheistic. They know their judgments. Coming.

640
00:38:20,930 --> 00:38:23,450
S5: I'm inviting you in and trusting the power of the

641
00:38:23,450 --> 00:38:28,690
S5: Holy Spirit to turn your life around today. I don't

642
00:38:28,690 --> 00:38:31,730
S5: care how long you've been in church. I don't care

643
00:38:31,730 --> 00:38:36,490
S5: how many years you think you've had this illusion of salvation.

644
00:38:37,330 --> 00:38:41,530
S5: It doesn't matter. What matters is not only where you're

645
00:38:41,530 --> 00:38:44,969
S5: going for eternity, but the life that you have today.

646
00:38:45,890 --> 00:38:50,170
S5: And I trust that God right now is bringing conviction, affliction,

647
00:38:50,170 --> 00:38:53,370
S5: and joy of the Holy Spirit into some lives. And

648
00:38:53,370 --> 00:38:59,490
S5: that is awesome. That's the good news. The good news

649
00:38:59,530 --> 00:39:03,609
S5: is that we're born unto this broad path. Every one

650
00:39:03,610 --> 00:39:08,770
S5: of us trying to derive life from some idol, something

651
00:39:08,770 --> 00:39:13,050
S5: in place of God and God's asking you today, will

652
00:39:13,050 --> 00:39:18,489
S5: you set it down? through conviction and affliction. Turn to God.

653
00:39:18,730 --> 00:39:24,009
S5: Follow Jesus Christ and surrender all you are to him today.

654
00:39:26,050 --> 00:39:32,250
S5: This is no small thing. This is huge. He comes

655
00:39:32,250 --> 00:39:39,250
S5: with tears. He comes with joy. He comes with conviction.

656
00:39:40,770 --> 00:39:44,570
S5: But it comes with an invite to live life brand

657
00:39:44,570 --> 00:39:49,170
S5: new in Jesus Christ. I'm going to pray for you.

658
00:39:49,450 --> 00:39:55,210
S5: If you're convicted or afflicted today, because you have heard

659
00:39:55,210 --> 00:39:57,850
S5: and the Spirit of God is quickened, the Spirit of

660
00:39:57,850 --> 00:39:59,609
S5: God has come with power into your life. And for

661
00:39:59,610 --> 00:40:03,529
S5: the first time ever, he's revealed to you the idolatry

662
00:40:03,530 --> 00:40:06,970
S5: of self that's manifested in different ways in your life.

663
00:40:07,050 --> 00:40:10,489
S5: Praise God! That means the Holy Spirit is come into

664
00:40:10,489 --> 00:40:14,680
S5: your car, onto your walking path, through your earbuds into

665
00:40:14,680 --> 00:40:18,000
S5: your soul, and he's changing you in this moment. So

666
00:40:18,400 --> 00:40:20,480
S5: I want to pray with you right now. Father, I

667
00:40:20,680 --> 00:40:24,960
S5: praise you that your spirit goes to work in people's lives.

668
00:40:24,960 --> 00:40:28,239
S5: I praise you that there is a plan of salvation

669
00:40:29,080 --> 00:40:34,759
S5: that is all about you and your work. And Lord,

670
00:40:34,760 --> 00:40:40,560
S5: through the work of your spirit that convicts and afflicts

671
00:40:40,560 --> 00:40:44,080
S5: and brings joy of the Holy Spirit. I pray as

672
00:40:44,120 --> 00:40:48,160
S5: these men and women are laying down the idolatry of

673
00:40:48,160 --> 00:40:51,680
S5: self and all that goes with it. Lord, I pray

674
00:40:53,320 --> 00:40:55,640
S5: that you will continue to work even right now through

675
00:40:55,680 --> 00:40:58,520
S5: my words, because some are just. You're breaking through by

676
00:40:58,520 --> 00:41:01,640
S5: the power of your spirit. You're breaking through spiritual pride

677
00:41:01,640 --> 00:41:06,399
S5: and arrogance. You're breaking through a spirit that wants to

678
00:41:06,440 --> 00:41:09,360
S5: fake it til they make it. And you're you're saying no,

679
00:41:09,360 --> 00:41:12,399
S5: today's the day, friend. And that's what God's saying to you,

680
00:41:12,400 --> 00:41:17,879
S5: isn't he? Today is the day of your salvation. Before

681
00:41:17,880 --> 00:41:21,480
S5: you might have invited Jesus into your heart or you

682
00:41:21,480 --> 00:41:25,160
S5: accepted Jesus, but today you receive him and you are

683
00:41:25,160 --> 00:41:29,719
S5: turning in repentance. You are laying down idols. You are

684
00:41:29,719 --> 00:41:33,960
S5: laying down self, and you are coming with empty, open

685
00:41:33,960 --> 00:41:36,879
S5: hands saying, I give you my life and God, I

686
00:41:36,880 --> 00:41:40,960
S5: praise you. Right now that you're at work. I praise

687
00:41:40,960 --> 00:41:46,680
S5: you that in this moment, miraculously, you are cutting through

688
00:41:46,680 --> 00:41:50,840
S5: the fog of self-talk. And you are. You are calling

689
00:41:50,840 --> 00:41:55,799
S5: people to yourself and I give you thanks in Jesus name. Amen.

690
00:41:56,120 --> 00:41:56,960
S7: Amen.

691
00:41:57,120 --> 00:41:59,560
S5: I want you to count the cost right now. I'm

692
00:41:59,560 --> 00:42:01,000
S5: going to give you a link, but I want you

693
00:42:01,000 --> 00:42:04,440
S5: to count the cost before you do this. Before you

694
00:42:04,640 --> 00:42:06,879
S5: say I'm going to send in that keyword, I just

695
00:42:06,880 --> 00:42:10,000
S5: want to ask you a question through conviction and affliction,

696
00:42:10,320 --> 00:42:12,710
S5: has it been revealed to you that you've got to

697
00:42:12,750 --> 00:42:17,070
S5: lay down idols and that ultimately that idol is yourself?

698
00:42:17,070 --> 00:42:20,750
S5: You've been looking for life in all these different things?

699
00:42:22,510 --> 00:42:27,830
S5: And are you turning to God today empty handed, bringing

700
00:42:27,830 --> 00:42:31,270
S5: nothing to the table? It's the amazing thing about being

701
00:42:31,270 --> 00:42:35,109
S5: a follower of Jesus is you bring nothing because it's

702
00:42:35,110 --> 00:42:40,110
S5: all God. This isn't good news of what God can do,

703
00:42:40,150 --> 00:42:43,109
S5: plus some of what you can do. We bring nothing,

704
00:42:44,790 --> 00:42:47,630
S5: and that's why the Holy Spirit fills you with joy

705
00:42:48,790 --> 00:42:52,230
S5: and he's filling you with joy today. If today is

706
00:42:52,230 --> 00:42:56,670
S5: the day that God in his mercy, has cut through

707
00:42:56,670 --> 00:42:59,950
S5: the darkness of your soul and saved it, I want

708
00:42:59,950 --> 00:43:03,950
S5: you to right now text the word new to 800

709
00:43:03,989 --> 00:43:11,660
S5: 555 7898. Just one word. New to 800 805 five, five, 78, 98.

710
00:43:11,660 --> 00:43:14,219
S5: And this is just a simple little way for us

711
00:43:14,219 --> 00:43:18,180
S5: to help you take your first steps with Jesus. Brand new.

712
00:43:18,860 --> 00:43:21,500
S5: No matter what age or stage of life you're in

713
00:43:21,500 --> 00:43:24,140
S5: right now, just text the word new right now to

714
00:43:24,180 --> 00:43:31,660
S5: 805 five, five 7898. What's cool is we just shared

715
00:43:31,660 --> 00:43:36,620
S5: with you the words of truth, and the Spirit of

716
00:43:36,620 --> 00:43:39,259
S5: God went to work deep within your soul. And we

717
00:43:39,260 --> 00:43:42,860
S5: praise God for you today. Just text new right now. Just.

718
00:43:43,380 --> 00:43:46,700
S5: There's nothing magical in this link. It's just our simple

719
00:43:46,700 --> 00:43:49,860
S5: little effort to help you in your first steps with Jesus.

720
00:43:49,860 --> 00:43:53,980
S5: Wherever you are, just text the word new to 800

721
00:43:54,340 --> 00:44:04,860
S5: 555 7898. One word in E to 800 555 7898.

722
00:44:05,700 --> 00:44:09,819
S2: Romans eight brought her to Jesus while small broadcasting traffic overnight.

723
00:44:10,060 --> 00:44:13,780
S2: Super dye is in the crew. It's curl and crew

724
00:44:13,820 --> 00:44:15,100
S2: on Moody Radio.

725
00:44:15,140 --> 00:44:17,740
S5: Yeah. Watkin, free Mike and Tyler. It's Carl and crew

726
00:44:17,780 --> 00:44:21,060
S5: on Freedom Friday. Grateful for so many surrendering to Christ

727
00:44:21,100 --> 00:44:23,739
S5: here in just the last few minutes. Uh, what an

728
00:44:23,739 --> 00:44:25,900
S5: awesome thing. So I want to shift gears. When you

729
00:44:25,900 --> 00:44:28,100
S5: get on this path that's narrow and you begin to

730
00:44:28,140 --> 00:44:32,180
S5: walk along this path, we know that even though we

731
00:44:32,180 --> 00:44:37,220
S5: have a faith that is real and lasting in secure,

732
00:44:38,260 --> 00:44:44,020
S5: Satan and demonic forces are attempting to derail disciples morning, noon,

733
00:44:44,020 --> 00:44:48,340
S5: and night. And it can be insidious, man. It can

734
00:44:48,340 --> 00:44:51,180
S5: come at us left, right and center. And the reason

735
00:44:51,180 --> 00:44:54,219
S5: that we we can sometimes get susceptible when we get

736
00:44:54,219 --> 00:44:59,100
S5: separated from, uh, people who are rich in faith. We

737
00:44:59,140 --> 00:45:02,459
S5: find ourselves drifting away from. And I'm not talking about

738
00:45:02,460 --> 00:45:06,180
S5: a building. I'm talking about the called out ones, brothers

739
00:45:06,180 --> 00:45:11,010
S5: and sisters in Christ and Satan can tempt us to

740
00:45:11,050 --> 00:45:14,210
S5: begin to take the bait and to get derailed. And

741
00:45:14,210 --> 00:45:17,810
S5: what this does is slow down our ability and even

742
00:45:17,810 --> 00:45:21,130
S5: the direction of us running the race. And how do

743
00:45:21,130 --> 00:45:23,330
S5: I know this? Because on the in the Hall of

744
00:45:23,330 --> 00:45:28,330
S5: Fame of Faith, Hebrews 11, it champions all these that

745
00:45:28,330 --> 00:45:34,050
S5: surrendered all to Jesus, and they finished well. And so

746
00:45:34,090 --> 00:45:39,370
S5: Hebrews 12 grabs all these great finishers. And then the

747
00:45:39,370 --> 00:45:43,970
S5: writer of Hebrews does this. Therefore, since we are surrounded

748
00:45:43,969 --> 00:45:46,890
S5: by so great a cloud of witnesses, all these people

749
00:45:46,890 --> 00:45:49,490
S5: that have gone before us in Hebrews 11 is loaded

750
00:45:49,489 --> 00:45:51,930
S5: with men and women, you name it, from every walk

751
00:45:51,930 --> 00:45:57,569
S5: of life who persevered. Let us lay aside every weight.

752
00:45:57,570 --> 00:45:59,529
S5: I'm going to get to that at the top of

753
00:45:59,530 --> 00:46:01,689
S5: the hour. So if you want to hear something really fun,

754
00:46:01,730 --> 00:46:04,410
S5: let me give you the short of it, every weight

755
00:46:04,770 --> 00:46:09,770
S5: are Not sinful things, not lawbreaking things. They can even

756
00:46:09,810 --> 00:46:13,090
S5: be good things, but it's just too much of it.

757
00:46:14,010 --> 00:46:18,730
S5: So I'm going to do something called good to great,

758
00:46:19,450 --> 00:46:23,330
S5: giving up the good for some of the great at

759
00:46:23,330 --> 00:46:25,250
S5: the top of the hour. But but hold on, there's

760
00:46:25,250 --> 00:46:29,090
S5: something more here. So there's good things that can be

761
00:46:29,090 --> 00:46:31,810
S5: too much of it, right? We've all had that in

762
00:46:31,810 --> 00:46:34,810
S5: our life. But then the writer of Hebrews says this

763
00:46:35,969 --> 00:46:40,330
S5: let us lay aside every weight, and the sin which

764
00:46:40,650 --> 00:46:45,770
S5: clings so closely let us run with endurance the race

765
00:46:46,530 --> 00:46:50,450
S5: set before us, looking to Jesus, the founder and perfecter

766
00:46:50,450 --> 00:46:53,530
S5: of our faith. For the joy that was set before

767
00:46:53,530 --> 00:46:57,370
S5: him endured the cross, despising the shame, and is seated

768
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S5: at the right hand of the throne of God. Now

769
00:46:59,330 --> 00:47:02,969
S5: here's what's going on. We'll get to that. There's some

770
00:47:02,969 --> 00:47:06,480
S5: good stuff that is too much of it. And what

771
00:47:06,480 --> 00:47:09,279
S5: that becomes for someone. And this is a track and

772
00:47:09,280 --> 00:47:14,320
S5: field metaphor here. It can hold us back from really

773
00:47:14,320 --> 00:47:16,640
S5: making time. It's kind of like you got a weighted

774
00:47:16,640 --> 00:47:19,960
S5: vest on now. Those are great for for training in

775
00:47:19,960 --> 00:47:23,080
S5: some senses, but spiritually speaking, some of you have more

776
00:47:23,080 --> 00:47:26,239
S5: than a weighted vest. You've got a weighted vest. This

777
00:47:26,239 --> 00:47:29,000
S5: is good stuff. And you've got weights on your ankles

778
00:47:29,000 --> 00:47:31,080
S5: and you've got weights on your elbows and you got

779
00:47:31,120 --> 00:47:34,600
S5: weights on your thighs, and all this stuff is holding

780
00:47:34,600 --> 00:47:37,720
S5: you back from running this race. The richness of joy,

781
00:47:37,719 --> 00:47:40,280
S5: of running with Jesus. We'll get to that. But here's

782
00:47:40,280 --> 00:47:44,960
S5: a big one sin entangles. And you know what entanglements

783
00:47:44,960 --> 00:47:50,080
S5: do they keep you absolutely bound from running the race

784
00:47:50,080 --> 00:47:53,440
S5: at all. You are tangled and you are pinned to

785
00:47:53,440 --> 00:47:56,600
S5: the ground, and you're trying to get your foot forward,

786
00:47:56,600 --> 00:47:59,480
S5: and then your other foot forward, and you can't do it.

787
00:47:59,480 --> 00:48:03,440
S5: And here's why. Sin has got a hold of you.

788
00:48:04,430 --> 00:48:07,750
S5: You're a you're a saint, but you're a saint who's sinning.

789
00:48:07,750 --> 00:48:10,350
S5: And it's gotten to the point where it has bound

790
00:48:10,350 --> 00:48:13,509
S5: you up. So I want to do a quick banner

791
00:48:13,550 --> 00:48:17,630
S5: ad here for something right now. Just a very simple thing.

792
00:48:18,070 --> 00:48:26,790
S5: Tomorrow is all about the entanglements of sin and shedding

793
00:48:26,790 --> 00:48:30,270
S5: some of the good to take hold of the great.

794
00:48:31,110 --> 00:48:33,790
S5: We're going to be talking about what it is to

795
00:48:33,830 --> 00:48:37,229
S5: really be a disciple of Christ. And for some of you,

796
00:48:37,230 --> 00:48:40,750
S5: renewing that discipleship again, and you know what? You've tried.

797
00:48:40,750 --> 00:48:43,630
S5: You've tried self-help to get you going, and it ain't

798
00:48:43,630 --> 00:48:46,989
S5: been working. Here we are into January. And all the

799
00:48:46,989 --> 00:48:51,310
S5: mustard you put to it couldn't do it right. And

800
00:48:51,310 --> 00:48:52,149
S5: it hurts.

801
00:48:52,190 --> 00:48:52,830
S7: It does.

802
00:48:52,910 --> 00:48:56,430
S5: And we want to help you get free. So tomorrow

803
00:48:56,469 --> 00:48:58,709
S5: I am sitting down. If this is the first time

804
00:48:58,710 --> 00:49:01,870
S5: you're hearing it, man, I'm so glad you're here. But

805
00:49:01,870 --> 00:49:05,390
S5: tomorrow I am going to host a webinar starting at

806
00:49:05,390 --> 00:49:08,710
S5: 9 a.m. central. I'm going to be joined by Drew

807
00:49:08,750 --> 00:49:11,110
S5: Dickens in the third session. It's going to be a

808
00:49:11,110 --> 00:49:14,310
S5: couple of hours. Third session, Drew Dickens is going to

809
00:49:14,310 --> 00:49:17,190
S5: come in and I'm going to unpack for you seven

810
00:49:17,190 --> 00:49:21,670
S5: key resolutions where you are agreeing with God on some

811
00:49:21,670 --> 00:49:24,989
S5: big bucket issues in your life that are going to

812
00:49:25,030 --> 00:49:29,070
S5: untangle you from sin and move you from good to great. Okay,

813
00:49:30,030 --> 00:49:33,109
S5: so I would love to see you there. You will

814
00:49:33,110 --> 00:49:36,069
S5: not be seen by anyone because as it stands right now,

815
00:49:36,070 --> 00:49:38,029
S5: we got about a thousand of you are going to

816
00:49:38,030 --> 00:49:40,310
S5: be there. Praise God and I want you to join

817
00:49:40,310 --> 00:49:44,270
S5: in as well. There's no cost for this and it's

818
00:49:44,270 --> 00:49:46,910
S5: too late to do any pre-reading, but you don't have

819
00:49:46,910 --> 00:49:49,469
S5: to do it anyway. I'm going to get you all

820
00:49:49,510 --> 00:49:52,549
S5: ready to roll tomorrow, 9 a.m. central. How in the

821
00:49:52,550 --> 00:49:54,270
S5: world do they get signed up? Young Thunder?

822
00:49:54,270 --> 00:49:57,190
S3: It's real easy. Just text the word power. The word

823
00:49:57,190 --> 00:50:04,540
S3: power to 800 555, 7898. Text the word power to 805, 55, 78,

824
00:50:04,580 --> 00:50:06,500
S3: 98 will get you the link where you can go

825
00:50:06,500 --> 00:50:08,100
S3: sign up completely for free.

826
00:50:08,260 --> 00:50:08,700
S7: Yeah.

827
00:50:09,300 --> 00:50:12,459
S5: And so hey, we're going to take a little exercise

828
00:50:12,460 --> 00:50:15,500
S5: on good to great here in just a moment. So

829
00:50:15,540 --> 00:50:18,300
S5: buckle up. All right. Get a swig of water. Text

830
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S5: power first to 800 555 7898. One word. Power 800

831
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S5: 555 7898.

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S2: You can take him out of Alaska, but you can't

833
00:50:30,340 --> 00:50:34,140
S2: take Alaska out of him. Carl is in the crew.

834
00:50:34,380 --> 00:50:36,980
S2: It's Carl and crew on Moody Radio.

835
00:50:37,180 --> 00:50:40,420
S5: Carl and crew. And we got a big announcement. AI

836
00:50:40,460 --> 00:50:44,219
S5: is everywhere. It is everywhere. And I want to prove

837
00:50:44,219 --> 00:50:47,940
S5: it to you. This is almost crazy. Give us a

838
00:50:47,940 --> 00:50:49,300
S5: shot of this young thunder.

839
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S8: I've been running hard feet on fire. Dreams and duty

840
00:50:54,100 --> 00:50:58,660
S8: tangled in wire. But when my strength starts slipping away

841
00:50:58,780 --> 00:51:05,260
S8: I still hear your voice saying, don't grow weary in

842
00:51:05,260 --> 00:51:10,700
S8: well doing with those problems off your chest. Cast your

843
00:51:10,700 --> 00:51:17,620
S8: cares on my shoulders and I'll give you rest. I'll

844
00:51:18,219 --> 00:51:19,460
S8: give you rest.

845
00:51:19,580 --> 00:51:23,780
S5: Alright. You love that artist. I kind of do too.

846
00:51:23,820 --> 00:51:24,700
S3: Sounds good to me.

847
00:51:24,900 --> 00:51:25,260
S7: Wow.

848
00:51:25,500 --> 00:51:26,780
S5: Until you realize.

849
00:51:26,980 --> 00:51:27,500
S7: That's.

850
00:51:27,660 --> 00:51:28,540
S5: He ain't real.

851
00:51:29,580 --> 00:51:31,100
S3: Not a voice in there is real.

852
00:51:31,260 --> 00:51:34,700
S5: That's an AI generated Christian tune that is topping charts

853
00:51:34,700 --> 00:51:35,260
S5: right now.

854
00:51:35,380 --> 00:51:37,820
S1: Yeah. I mean, this is a this is a very

855
00:51:37,820 --> 00:51:42,939
S1: unique take on this, on the use of AI. Solomon Ray,

856
00:51:42,980 --> 00:51:47,140
S1: who is not a real person. It's an AI crafted

857
00:51:47,140 --> 00:51:51,260
S1: his persona, his voice, his performance style, the lyrics. It's

858
00:51:51,260 --> 00:51:52,020
S1: all AI.

859
00:51:52,739 --> 00:51:56,779
S5: Yeah. Who gets the proceeds from Solomon? All right. We

860
00:51:56,820 --> 00:52:01,290
S5: got so many questions. Doctor drew Dickens Is that even right?

861
00:52:01,570 --> 00:52:02,770
S5: Is that even right?

862
00:52:03,290 --> 00:52:05,489
S9: What a great. What a great question. Who gets the

863
00:52:05,850 --> 00:52:08,570
S9: who gets the commission off that deal? Right. Yeah.

864
00:52:08,610 --> 00:52:10,610
S5: And there's who's making bank.

865
00:52:10,930 --> 00:52:14,049
S9: There's actually well there's several now, but maybe a month

866
00:52:14,050 --> 00:52:17,850
S9: ago there was an artist signed by, I think, Ccaea, uh,

867
00:52:18,969 --> 00:52:23,049
S9: actress who's all AI, and that was the first and

868
00:52:23,050 --> 00:52:28,009
S9: it was multi million dollar contract and she she it

869
00:52:28,010 --> 00:52:31,130
S9: I'm doing air quotes here. Um doesn't exist. And so

870
00:52:31,130 --> 00:52:34,170
S9: I was wondering the same thing you know when when

871
00:52:34,210 --> 00:52:36,969
S9: it does a movie or something who gets the you

872
00:52:36,969 --> 00:52:39,890
S9: know how does that contract work. So it's just some

873
00:52:39,890 --> 00:52:43,130
S9: kid on a couch who created an image of a,

874
00:52:43,370 --> 00:52:47,290
S9: of a young woman that's now an actress. And, uh,

875
00:52:47,330 --> 00:52:49,090
S9: so how does that how does that play out?

876
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S1: Doctor Drew Dickens, our guest this morning. He's a visionary leader.

877
00:52:52,450 --> 00:52:56,810
S1: He is our a resident AI expert. You know, the

878
00:52:57,410 --> 00:53:00,810
S1: when we talk about the use of AI, it coming

879
00:53:00,810 --> 00:53:06,730
S1: into the space of Christian music feels especially invasive almost because,

880
00:53:06,930 --> 00:53:10,969
S1: I mean, can you worship to something that is created

881
00:53:10,969 --> 00:53:14,810
S1: by something with no soul? I mean, that's been kind

882
00:53:14,810 --> 00:53:18,129
S1: of the debate. Some Christian artists have weighed in. What

883
00:53:18,170 --> 00:53:19,930
S1: do you what do you say on this? I mean,

884
00:53:19,969 --> 00:53:23,290
S1: what are the ethics behind the creation of Christian music

885
00:53:23,290 --> 00:53:25,170
S1: or other Christian content?

886
00:53:25,730 --> 00:53:32,730
S9: You know, I immediately go to, uh, y'all aren't old enough, but, um, Dylan, uh,

887
00:53:32,730 --> 00:53:35,489
S9: when he played electric guitar for the first time at

888
00:53:35,489 --> 00:53:38,489
S9: the Newport Folk Festival. Now we're going back, you know,

889
00:53:38,530 --> 00:53:42,250
S9: 60 years now. But but oh my gosh, that exploded

890
00:53:42,250 --> 00:53:45,290
S9: because it. When you play jazz, it's only supposed to

891
00:53:45,290 --> 00:53:47,609
S9: be on an acoustic guitar. And he was playing it

892
00:53:47,610 --> 00:53:50,810
S9: on electric and everybody went nuts on that. I'm thinking

893
00:53:50,810 --> 00:53:55,370
S9: back the first time a synthetic A synthesizer was used

894
00:53:55,690 --> 00:54:01,360
S9: in church. Uh. What if someone's. Well, we've got auto

895
00:54:01,360 --> 00:54:05,000
S9: tune now. So if I'm standing in for the congregation,

896
00:54:05,000 --> 00:54:07,960
S9: I can't sing flat or sharp because auto tune will

897
00:54:07,960 --> 00:54:11,719
S9: correct my voice. Um, you know, the pastor may have

898
00:54:11,719 --> 00:54:15,400
S9: his his or her mic. Uh, eq'd. At a certain

899
00:54:15,440 --> 00:54:20,080
S9: to make a certain sound. It sounds more full or whatever. So, man,

900
00:54:20,280 --> 00:54:22,919
S9: it's such a it's such a fuzzy line because we're

901
00:54:22,920 --> 00:54:30,160
S9: already doing that. We're already creating sounds and impressions, um,

902
00:54:30,239 --> 00:54:35,640
S9: within a worship, you know, environment that isn't real. And

903
00:54:35,640 --> 00:54:39,480
S9: yet people's the spirit can use that to, to impact

904
00:54:39,480 --> 00:54:41,880
S9: our lives. So it's a, it's a fuzzy line.

905
00:54:42,239 --> 00:54:45,760
S5: Does this fall into all truth is God's truth? I mean,

906
00:54:46,080 --> 00:54:47,960
S5: is is that part of it here?

907
00:54:48,280 --> 00:54:52,000
S9: All things created by him and for him to his glory. Um,

908
00:54:52,000 --> 00:54:56,390
S9: I think what what really gets me about the song, Um,

909
00:54:56,469 --> 00:55:01,910
S9: Solomon Ray it whatever is, uh, it wasn't made clear

910
00:55:01,910 --> 00:55:04,990
S9: up front that that's what it was. Uh, so I

911
00:55:05,150 --> 00:55:08,070
S9: think the key on this is transparency is just not

912
00:55:08,070 --> 00:55:12,430
S9: taking credit for something, uh, you know, being up front, uh, that,

913
00:55:12,469 --> 00:55:14,830
S9: you know, this mic is eq'd for this or I'm

914
00:55:14,830 --> 00:55:18,910
S9: using Auto-Tune for that, or I used AI for this

915
00:55:18,910 --> 00:55:22,030
S9: lyric or whatever is just being transparent and upfront about

916
00:55:22,030 --> 00:55:24,870
S9: our use of these tools. We don't shy away from

917
00:55:24,870 --> 00:55:27,950
S9: using a synthesizer, you know, uh, or an electric guitar

918
00:55:27,989 --> 00:55:32,030
S9: during during church service. That's what we're using. It's a tool. Um,

919
00:55:32,030 --> 00:55:34,989
S9: but so the word I think during the last break

920
00:55:35,030 --> 00:55:38,070
S9: you used, you didn't use, but I kept kept resonating

921
00:55:38,070 --> 00:55:41,189
S9: with me is betrayal is if you didn't tell me

922
00:55:41,190 --> 00:55:44,350
S9: that up front, I feel betrayed when I find out.

923
00:55:44,350 --> 00:55:46,830
S9: And so to avoid that by just being honest, I

924
00:55:46,830 --> 00:55:49,509
S9: love that you guys are are trying to navigate your

925
00:55:49,510 --> 00:55:53,950
S9: way through, um, guide ethical AI guidelines for moody boy.

926
00:55:53,989 --> 00:55:57,310
S9: Good for you. Good for you. Churches should be doing this.

927
00:55:57,310 --> 00:56:00,109
S9: So good for you for trying. Um, so I think

928
00:56:00,110 --> 00:56:02,750
S9: just being upfront and honest about our use of it

929
00:56:02,750 --> 00:56:04,150
S9: helps some of this.

930
00:56:04,510 --> 00:56:07,110
S1: Doctor Drew Dickens, our guest right now, coming up, let's

931
00:56:07,110 --> 00:56:10,230
S1: talk about ethics for our personal use of AI. You're

932
00:56:10,270 --> 00:56:13,910
S1: maybe you're not creating music, but can AI write the

933
00:56:13,950 --> 00:56:17,230
S1: email response that you've been struggling with? How do I

934
00:56:17,270 --> 00:56:19,870
S1: word this? This is kind of tricky. Can AI help

935
00:56:19,870 --> 00:56:22,350
S1: you there? What if you have a stance of I

936
00:56:22,350 --> 00:56:24,390
S1: don't want to touch it. I don't even want to

937
00:56:24,390 --> 00:56:25,710
S1: go near that stuff.

938
00:56:25,750 --> 00:56:26,790
S5: It's touching you.

939
00:56:27,350 --> 00:56:30,750
S1: Oh, it is more with our special guest, Doctor Drew Dickens.

940
00:56:30,750 --> 00:56:31,270
S1: Coming up.

941
00:56:31,950 --> 00:56:35,710
S2: Your spiritual pit stop to keep you going in the race.

942
00:56:35,870 --> 00:56:37,990
S2: You're listening to Carl and crew.

943
00:56:38,030 --> 00:56:41,550
S1: I recently put a prompt into ChatGPT that went something

944
00:56:41,550 --> 00:56:46,629
S1: like this. Help me. Help my son who loves video games,

945
00:56:46,670 --> 00:56:50,669
S1: develop some other hobbies and interests inside the house. Can

946
00:56:50,670 --> 00:56:54,299
S1: you develop a quiz for me that's appropriate for a

947
00:56:54,300 --> 00:56:57,940
S1: 13 year old boy. That might help him find other

948
00:56:57,980 --> 00:57:04,540
S1: hobbies hobbies i.e. cooking, 3D printing, etc.. Coolest thing ever

949
00:57:04,540 --> 00:57:07,939
S1: came up with an entire quiz that's age appropriate. That's

950
00:57:07,940 --> 00:57:10,739
S1: going to help him get some new hobbies. Doctor Drew

951
00:57:10,739 --> 00:57:15,620
S1: Dickens There are many, many fascinating ways to use AI,

952
00:57:16,020 --> 00:57:18,700
S1: but many people struggle still with the ethics of it.

953
00:57:18,700 --> 00:57:22,580
S1: Can I help write an email? Can. What's the boundary

954
00:57:22,580 --> 00:57:24,860
S1: line when it comes to work that I'm doing? That

955
00:57:24,860 --> 00:57:27,580
S1: is my name on it. But now I have some

956
00:57:27,580 --> 00:57:30,140
S1: AI help. What is a good framework?

957
00:57:30,340 --> 00:57:32,020
S9: You know what I loved about that prompt you just

958
00:57:32,060 --> 00:57:35,780
S9: read is the phrase help me help! Um, I loved

959
00:57:35,780 --> 00:57:39,900
S9: her going into that prompt with, um, I'm stuck. So

960
00:57:39,900 --> 00:57:42,540
S9: help me see beyond this. So it's kind of a

961
00:57:42,540 --> 00:57:45,980
S9: creative muse a bit. Um, so I loved even just

962
00:57:45,980 --> 00:57:49,980
S9: the heart behind it. Uh, it's interesting. It's generational. My generation.

963
00:57:49,980 --> 00:57:53,260
S9: I'm 65. Uh, we tend to use it more as

964
00:57:53,260 --> 00:57:55,820
S9: a Google replacement. How many quarts in a gallon? What's

965
00:57:55,820 --> 00:57:58,180
S9: the weather today? That kind of thing. Okay. But the

966
00:57:58,180 --> 00:58:01,580
S9: younger it gets, it becomes. And Carl, you mentioned it earlier.

967
00:58:01,580 --> 00:58:05,140
S9: It becomes a companion. Uh, the number one use case

968
00:58:05,140 --> 00:58:10,140
S9: for younger generation is, uh, personal therapy. That makes my

969
00:58:10,140 --> 00:58:12,620
S9: toes curl. Just. I've got so much fear around. I'm

970
00:58:12,660 --> 00:58:14,380
S9: not a person. I try not to be a person

971
00:58:14,380 --> 00:58:17,380
S9: of fear, but that really concerns me. Um, so I,

972
00:58:17,820 --> 00:58:19,380
S9: as we talked about in the last break, I think

973
00:58:19,380 --> 00:58:23,860
S9: it really comes back to, um, transparency, honesty, uh, and,

974
00:58:24,020 --> 00:58:26,780
S9: and sharing that in community, you know, for her telling

975
00:58:26,780 --> 00:58:28,940
S9: her son, hey, I went to AI and asked it

976
00:58:28,940 --> 00:58:31,260
S9: to help me help you do this. And here's the

977
00:58:31,260 --> 00:58:34,660
S9: quiz I think is a lot more ethical than, uh,

978
00:58:34,660 --> 00:58:37,060
S9: giving the impression that I did all this work on

979
00:58:37,060 --> 00:58:41,300
S9: my own. Um, and to the to the email issue, uh,

980
00:58:41,740 --> 00:58:45,020
S9: we use Grammarly. We have spell check on our computers,

981
00:58:45,100 --> 00:58:47,660
S9: and that's kind of helping us along the way. Right?

982
00:58:47,700 --> 00:58:50,780
S9: So just be upfront about about our use of it.

983
00:58:51,530 --> 00:58:53,890
S5: Yeah, you're talking prompts. And the one thing that I've

984
00:58:53,890 --> 00:58:58,690
S5: really gained from you, drew is that you can prompt even.

985
00:58:58,730 --> 00:59:01,290
S5: Let's just take Ali's thing about the quiz. And I

986
00:59:01,290 --> 00:59:03,890
S5: love that, by the way. And I go way beyond

987
00:59:03,890 --> 00:59:06,530
S5: how many quarts in a gallon. And and I've been

988
00:59:06,530 --> 00:59:10,650
S5: doing prompts, but my I get so directive that I'll say,

989
00:59:11,130 --> 00:59:13,450
S5: I want you to tap and then I'll give certain

990
00:59:13,450 --> 00:59:20,490
S5: theologians that I respect to query and answer to this prompt.

991
00:59:20,930 --> 00:59:24,010
S5: How important is it to make sure that when we're

992
00:59:24,010 --> 00:59:27,970
S5: prompting AI that we're actually helping it spit out, uh,

993
00:59:27,970 --> 00:59:29,290
S5: Christian worldview?

994
00:59:29,610 --> 00:59:31,689
S9: Yeah. Um, and by the way, Ali, was that your

995
00:59:31,690 --> 00:59:33,730
S9: prompt or some something that someone else said?

996
00:59:33,770 --> 00:59:35,090
S1: No, that was my prompt.

997
00:59:35,130 --> 00:59:36,090
S7: Oh my gosh.

998
00:59:36,530 --> 00:59:39,090
S9: Oh, I'm complimenting this other person. But it was you.

999
00:59:39,330 --> 00:59:39,730
S7: Great.

1000
00:59:39,890 --> 00:59:42,810
S9: Great job on that. Great. Great job on that. Thanks.

1001
00:59:42,850 --> 00:59:45,530
S9: Well done, well done. And I just had AI write

1002
00:59:45,530 --> 00:59:46,729
S9: that compliment to you.

1003
00:59:49,010 --> 00:59:51,120
S7: Oh, now, Now I'm just reading. Sure.

1004
00:59:51,440 --> 00:59:54,080
S9: I'm just reading what AI said to tell her. Good

1005
00:59:54,080 --> 00:59:59,240
S9: job boy. Uh, the more you put into a prompt, uh, the.

1006
00:59:59,600 --> 01:00:01,960
S9: I love what you said in the beginning. Junk in,

1007
01:00:01,960 --> 01:00:04,760
S9: junk out. Right. So, uh, I think the more effort

1008
01:00:04,760 --> 01:00:08,880
S9: you put into, uh, prompting and prompting it, the better.

1009
01:00:08,920 --> 01:00:12,560
S9: My son actually is just creating an AI mobile app

1010
01:00:12,560 --> 01:00:16,800
S9: right now that that asks those questions. Um, what would

1011
01:00:16,840 --> 01:00:21,440
S9: Spurgeon think about this or what would. Right. And so

1012
01:00:21,640 --> 01:00:24,120
S9: the better you can give it that framework instead of

1013
01:00:24,120 --> 01:00:26,720
S9: just saying, uh, is this good or bad or should

1014
01:00:26,720 --> 01:00:29,360
S9: I do this or that? But, you know, ask in

1015
01:00:29,360 --> 01:00:34,800
S9: context of Orthodox Christianity as understood by these, that kind

1016
01:00:34,800 --> 01:00:37,320
S9: of thing. So, so the more context you can give

1017
01:00:37,320 --> 01:00:39,400
S9: it not to get too much in the weeds, but

1018
01:00:39,400 --> 01:00:44,280
S9: every one of these language models has, uh, projects on

1019
01:00:44,320 --> 01:00:48,680
S9: them where you can fine tune, uh, conversations so you

1020
01:00:48,760 --> 01:00:51,040
S9: don't have to prompt that every time. But I can

1021
01:00:51,040 --> 01:00:55,000
S9: open up a project within ChatGPT or Claude or, uh,

1022
01:00:55,440 --> 01:00:59,360
S9: Gemini and say from now on, when we have this conversation,

1023
01:00:59,360 --> 01:01:02,400
S9: answer me as if that's my favorite phrase in prompting

1024
01:01:02,400 --> 01:01:06,280
S9: is answer me as if you are this or that. Uh,

1025
01:01:06,280 --> 01:01:09,360
S9: that kind of thing helps you stay within that Orthodox

1026
01:01:09,360 --> 01:01:10,880
S9: Christian worldview.

1027
01:01:11,080 --> 01:01:14,520
S5: Love it. Well, speaking of staying in that worldview, uh,

1028
01:01:14,520 --> 01:01:18,720
S5: I've invited you, Dickens, in to our T7, our power pack,

1029
01:01:18,720 --> 01:01:21,440
S5: seven resolutions, power pack. It's going to be an intensive

1030
01:01:21,440 --> 01:01:24,720
S5: on Saturday. We've got nearly a thousand people already signed

1031
01:01:24,720 --> 01:01:26,120
S5: up to be there. And we're going to give you

1032
01:01:26,160 --> 01:01:27,920
S5: details on that in a moment. But Drew's going to

1033
01:01:27,920 --> 01:01:30,800
S5: be a part of this, and we're pushing the boundaries

1034
01:01:30,800 --> 01:01:34,120
S5: of something really exciting here. I came to you, drew,

1035
01:01:34,120 --> 01:01:36,360
S5: and I asked you, could you would it be possible

1036
01:01:36,360 --> 01:01:39,600
S5: for you to come up with prompts that helps personalize

1037
01:01:39,600 --> 01:01:44,200
S5: a discipleship strategy totally crafted toward that person who's dealing

1038
01:01:44,200 --> 01:01:47,280
S5: with one thing that's holding them back from everything that

1039
01:01:47,280 --> 01:01:52,470
S5: God would have anchored in one of seven resolutions. And

1040
01:01:52,470 --> 01:01:55,710
S5: you said, we can do it. You've already worked it up. I've.

1041
01:01:55,750 --> 01:02:00,430
S5: I've actually utilized this. What do people need to not

1042
01:02:00,430 --> 01:02:03,310
S5: be freaked out about? Because right there, you could go.

1043
01:02:03,350 --> 01:02:05,830
S5: You got to be kidding me. We're going to utilize

1044
01:02:05,830 --> 01:02:08,670
S5: AI as a tool to apply these truths at the

1045
01:02:08,670 --> 01:02:11,510
S5: end of this, uh, power pack that we're having. Yeah. Drew,

1046
01:02:11,550 --> 01:02:13,590
S5: you're going to be there. Tell us about it.

1047
01:02:13,830 --> 01:02:16,430
S9: I'm so honored and thrilled. Thanks for inviting me to

1048
01:02:16,430 --> 01:02:17,830
S9: be a part of this. Uh, you and I have

1049
01:02:17,830 --> 01:02:20,590
S9: worked back and forth on on this just T-7a is

1050
01:02:20,590 --> 01:02:22,950
S9: going to be an incredible time. If you haven't signed up,

1051
01:02:22,950 --> 01:02:25,710
S9: please do so. One of the early takeaways in the

1052
01:02:25,710 --> 01:02:27,950
S9: conversation is going to be a document that you can

1053
01:02:27,950 --> 01:02:33,190
S9: download for free and have access to these prompts, uh, literally.

1054
01:02:33,390 --> 01:02:35,590
S9: And all the instructions are already on the document. When

1055
01:02:35,590 --> 01:02:39,150
S9: you download it is just literally copy and paste this into.

1056
01:02:39,390 --> 01:02:42,790
S9: And I even have links to various language models you

1057
01:02:42,790 --> 01:02:45,550
S9: can try this with and you can customize it. So

1058
01:02:45,550 --> 01:02:47,430
S9: a couple of things that we're doing is right up front.

1059
01:02:47,430 --> 01:02:49,870
S9: We're saying this is what's going on. It is AI.

1060
01:02:49,990 --> 01:02:51,790
S9: So you're going to know right up front it's AI.

1061
01:02:52,390 --> 01:02:55,790
S9: And there are blocks of text that you can customize.

1062
01:02:55,790 --> 01:02:59,430
S9: So instead of just saying some general question or a

1063
01:02:59,430 --> 01:03:02,310
S9: prompt about this or that on a resolution, you can

1064
01:03:02,310 --> 01:03:05,310
S9: type in the specifics. This is the area I'm struggling

1065
01:03:05,310 --> 01:03:08,550
S9: with right now. So given that context, you know, what

1066
01:03:08,550 --> 01:03:11,470
S9: are some ideas on a Bible study? What are some

1067
01:03:11,470 --> 01:03:14,070
S9: ideas on some verses I might go to and how

1068
01:03:14,070 --> 01:03:16,430
S9: to adapt this resolution to what I'm going through. So

1069
01:03:16,430 --> 01:03:19,510
S9: we're being transparent up front. All the links are there.

1070
01:03:19,510 --> 01:03:22,550
S9: You just copy and paste this right into it, and

1071
01:03:22,670 --> 01:03:25,190
S9: it's just going to be really easy and easy way

1072
01:03:25,190 --> 01:03:26,950
S9: to to step into this.

1073
01:03:26,990 --> 01:03:28,550
S5: I am so thrilled about this.

1074
01:03:28,590 --> 01:03:30,830
S1: And as Carl mentioned, there are close to a thousand

1075
01:03:30,870 --> 01:03:33,230
S1: of you already signed up to be a part of this.

1076
01:03:33,230 --> 01:03:35,670
S1: This is going to be this Saturday morning starting at

1077
01:03:35,670 --> 01:03:38,350
S1: 9 a.m. central time. If you've got a couple of

1078
01:03:38,350 --> 01:03:40,830
S1: hours and can take part in this, maybe you're someone

1079
01:03:40,830 --> 01:03:44,390
S1: who has written off some habits as unwinnable or you're man,

1080
01:03:44,430 --> 01:03:47,020
S1: you're into January, but you already feel like you've fallen

1081
01:03:47,060 --> 01:03:49,620
S1: off the wagon on whatever your resolve was at on

1082
01:03:49,620 --> 01:03:52,860
S1: January 1st. Be a part of this text power. We'll

1083
01:03:52,860 --> 01:03:55,660
S1: get you the registration link. Still time to sign up.

1084
01:03:55,700 --> 01:04:01,979
S1: Text power to 800 555 7898. Hosted by Carl with

1085
01:04:01,980 --> 01:04:04,260
S1: a special guest appearance by Doctor Drew Dickens. Who you're

1086
01:04:04,260 --> 01:04:09,340
S1: hearing right now. Just text power to (800) 555-7898.

1087
01:04:09,580 --> 01:04:12,500
S5: Yeah, this is awesome. And the goal here in this

1088
01:04:12,500 --> 01:04:16,300
S5: webinar is to tap God's power and to say no

1089
01:04:16,300 --> 01:04:20,580
S5: to self-help. And your prompts are geared that way in 30s.

1090
01:04:20,620 --> 01:04:22,580
S5: Give us what your hope is here, drew.

1091
01:04:22,820 --> 01:04:25,340
S9: My hope is for those that already feel like they're

1092
01:04:25,340 --> 01:04:29,020
S9: behind this year, behind in their walk with the Lord

1093
01:04:29,020 --> 01:04:32,580
S9: behind an AI. Uh, what a great opportunity on this

1094
01:04:32,580 --> 01:04:37,300
S9: webinar to catch up, to acknowledge that and have baby

1095
01:04:37,300 --> 01:04:41,140
S9: steps on getting back in, getting back into a walk

1096
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S9: with Christ. Um, and AI can help us, you know,

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01:04:44,020 --> 01:04:46,940
S9: prompt that up front. Here's some questions that you can

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01:04:46,940 --> 01:04:50,580
S9: ask AI to to help you get back into that rhythm.

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01:04:50,900 --> 01:04:54,020
S9: I love that 1000. I hope 1001. Now, if people

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01:04:54,020 --> 01:04:56,100
S9: that are already hearing about this and signing up for it,

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01:04:56,140 --> 01:04:57,860
S9: it's going to be a really easy way to step

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01:04:57,860 --> 01:05:00,940
S9: into this around this conversation and and give people hope

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01:05:00,980 --> 01:05:03,700
S9: of walking hand in hand with the spirit.

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S5: Would love to see you there. Boom crew. And it's

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01:05:06,300 --> 01:05:11,940
S5: going to be a powerful time. Text the word powered (800) 555-7898.

1106
01:05:11,980 --> 01:05:14,100
S5: There's no cost to get to this thing at all.

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01:05:14,540 --> 01:05:17,180
S5: If you can get your hands on the seven resolutions

1108
01:05:17,180 --> 01:05:19,380
S5: and read the first three chapters, that would help. But

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01:05:19,380 --> 01:05:25,980
S5: it's not required. Text power to 805 five, five, 7898.

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S5: And we're hitting some new territory with this Ali.

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S1: We are and worth mentioning, although he said, I'd love

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S1: to see you Saturday. We won't actually see you because

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01:05:34,740 --> 01:05:36,700
S1: you don't have a camera on. This is a webinar.

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01:05:36,740 --> 01:05:39,180
S1: Take it in in your pajamas if you like. Text

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S1: power to 805, 55, 78, 98. We'll get you signed up.