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S1: Hi, friends. Welcome to In the Market with Janet Parshall.
S1: Thank you so much for spending the hour together. Okay.
S1: We're going to tackle that tough subject that is all
S1: around us, whether we want to talk about it or not.
S1: And I have to tell you, I'm pretty sure that
S1: the church didn't start this discussion, but it's imperative that
S1: we join in this discussion. And that's the issue of
S1: human sexuality. You know, I can tell you, I remember
S1: a time when you would have no more heard the
S1: word human sexuality over Christian radio than, you know, I
S1: pledge allegiance to the Communist flag. We wouldn't have been
S1: talking about those things, but we've matured, and I think
S1: we've also discovered that for the cause of the cross,
S1: we cannot be ashamed of the gospel of Jesus Christ.
S1: Any part of it, any part of it, including but
S1: not limited to the part about sex. Because, you know,
S1: I guess it's going to come as a shock. Grab
S1: the smelling salts. It was God who designed sex. Yeah.
S1: Not the world. It was God. So is it important
S1: to God? Well, he made it. And then he put
S1: it exactly where it's supposed to be. In a relationship
S1: between a husband and a wife, defined without any ambiguity
S1: as a husband and a wife, a male and a female.
S1: That was, by the way, for the record, Your honor,
S1: in a place of perfection. Well, then along comes a serpent,
S1: a serpent, and then we exercise free will. And then
S1: by man came death. And the sin of the world
S1: came in from the first Adam. Thank you. God was
S1: taken care of by the second Adam, Jesus Christ. But
S1: in the meantime, since we do live currently, check your
S1: mailing address. East of Eden. We are struggling with the
S1: area of human sexuality. So whether it's adultery, whether it's
S1: premarital sex, whether it's cohabitation, whether it's polyamory, whether it's
S1: man boy love, whether it's same sex attraction, whether it's
S1: I woke up in the wrong body any iteration you want. Satan,
S1: by the way, is unbelievably creative, with a dull colored palette.
S1: And so he's going to take everything that God made
S1: in perfection, and he's going to adulterate it as best
S1: he can. Because after all, he says with his tail rattling,
S1: did God really say, well, yep, he did. And that's
S1: what we're going to talk about this hour, this whole hour.
S1: And we're going to answer your questions. Because, folks, there's
S1: a lot of confusion outside the church. But you know
S1: what really gets me? It's the confusion working its way
S1: into the church. What's a third way? What's the other way?
S1: What's AJ6. What is that? There's all these. What's a
S1: gay Christian movement out there? I don't get that. God's
S1: word is pretty clear. I'm not that smart. But I
S1: can read black ink on white paper. And I can
S1: also tell you that we love and serve a God
S1: who can take care of whatever our problems are. How
S1: do I know that? because in that letter to the
S1: Corinthian church, an area, by the way, that was dealing
S1: with sexual immorality, in fact, when a culture became so
S1: paganistic and its sexuality, they were called being Corinthian ized. Ooh,
S1: not a compliment. So in his first letter to the Corinthians,
S1: Paul writes, and that is what some of you were.
S1: Pause on those words. That's why the activists and the
S1: LGBT and whatever other alphabet letters you want movement add
S1: on to. They don't like that story, because what they're
S1: doing is trying to deny the fact that there has
S1: been an alienation of affections, and God can redirect and
S1: change your heart and give you the desires of your heart.
S1: That's why such were not are were some of you?
S1: But but you were washed. This is my wash, rinse
S1: and spin cycle of Scripture I love this. You were washed,
S1: you were sanctified. You were justified in the name of
S1: the Lord Jesus Christ and by the spirit of our God.
S1: Is there hope? You betcha. And that's what we're going
S1: to talk about this hour. But first, a couple of things.
S1: We'll open the phone lines. Your chance to ask any question.
S1: You had a child come to you and say, mom,
S1: I think I'm gay. What are you going to do
S1: about it? You got a relative that says you're coming
S1: to my same sex wedding. You've got someone in church
S1: who says, but I was born this way and God
S1: doesn't make mistakes. And then you've got someone who says,
S1: But God tells us to love everybody. So I'm sure
S1: that you love the transgender and you're going to use
S1: my appropriate pronouns. Does it get messy? You betcha. But
S1: when all else fails, read the instructions. So we're going
S1: to give you a chance to ask any question you
S1: have this hour on this whole LGBTQ ad, whatever alphabet
S1: letters you want, because it's time for us to get
S1: really back to the word and find out what the
S1: word has to say. (877) 548-3675. Questions only (877) 548-3675. And you
S1: know who's going to answer the questions for you this hour.
S1: And Edward. And I'm so glad because Anne understands this story.
S1: She is that First Corinthians and such were some of you.
S1: And God takes this person who was a were and
S1: now is and is, and him, where she has been
S1: defined by his imputed righteousness, And she now helps minister
S1: to people who struggle with unwanted same sex attraction. And so,
S1: for more than two decades, she has served as an author,
S1: a speaker, a spokesperson and an advocate for men and
S1: women who do struggle in this area. And that's why
S1: she has the role as executive director of restored Hope network.
S1: That's a conglomeration, if you will, of ministries that deal
S1: with this subject. And boy, have we got an exciting
S1: announcement to make about what's happening in the next couple
S1: of days that I want you to hear about. Her mission,
S1: quite literally, is leading the organization to restore hope to
S1: those broken by sexual and relationships, and especially those impacted
S1: by homosexuality. She is the author of Restoring Sexual Identity
S1: Hope for Women Who Struggle with Same Sex Attraction, and
S1: co-author of Love Won Out. She has also written for
S1: spirit LED Woman, charisma and the Gospel Coalition and My Friend,
S1: Pull Up a Chair. We have so much to talk about.
S1: But you know what? Right out of the gate, I'm
S1: going to come up to a break soon. And I
S1: don't care how long it takes us. I really want
S1: my friends to know about what's coming up at the
S1: Hope 2025 conference. We're going to talk about this a
S1: lot because the key verse for the conference is that
S1: verse right out of First Corinthians. And that's why you're
S1: calling it Hope 2025. And the theme is washed. Tell
S1: me about this virtual conference.
S7: Hello, Janet. It's so good to hear your voice. One
S7: on one here, right in front of all of your audience.
S7: What a delight to be with you. Thank you for
S7: having me. Um. Washed is going to be about Jesus
S7: washing away our sins by his blood. And it's about
S7: how to find hope and healing for those who are
S7: dealing with gender dysphoric issues or same sex attraction issues. Um,
S7: and so yes, we're handling all topics LGBT. Um, also
S7: talking about, um, how to create grace based environments within
S7: church situations so that people can encounter the love and
S7: mercy and forgiveness of Jesus as they walk through this stuff.
S7: And so we're even handling overcoming sexualized media addiction, otherwise
S7: known as porn. Wow. So it's a it's a pretty
S7: intense week that will be amazing offerings for people who
S7: are looking for help.
S1: Well, the reason I'm excited about this and we're going
S1: to get more details on the other side of the
S1: break is it's virtual, which means, you know, so often
S1: when you're talking to a national audience, it's frustrating and
S1: at some level unkind to talk about a conference that's
S1: the other side of the country that you can never attend,
S1: and there's no way to watch virtually. But I didn't walk.
S1: I ran to an because I wanted her to talk
S1: about this, because there isn't a person within the sound
S1: of my voice who can't attend this conference because it's
S1: that virtual. So now you got a bunch of questions,
S1: don't you? Right. You want to know when and how
S1: and where and what we're going to tell you all
S1: that when we return. But don't forget, after we talk
S1: about this conference, Anna's going to answer your questions on this. Okay.
S1: On human sexuality, what the conference is covering what she
S1: does daily in the ministry that God has called her to.
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S1: Janet Parshall? Oh, we got a lot of people online
S1: with questions. I just love the way you respond. And
S1: thank you, God, for raising up wonderful teachers like an Edward.
S1: We're talking about same sex attraction, the alphabet soup, trans,
S1: that whole stuff. But from a biblical perspective. Oh you betcha.
S1: It's being talked about in the marketplace of ideas. But
S1: as soldiers of the cross, ambassadors for Christ, followers of
S1: the king. What does he say? What are his values?
S1: What does he want us to say to a hurting
S1: culture on this particular topic? And that's why we're taking
S1: questions (877) 548-3675. We're going to do that in a bit.
S1: Thank you for your patience, friends, but I really want
S1: you to hear about the Hope 2025 conference entitled washed
S1: right out of that verse in First Corinthians. So and
S1: it is virtual. So now it's it's the 20th and
S1: the 21st. I have this right. So now that raises
S1: the question where do I go to get it. How
S1: do I sign up. Tell me the particulars.
S7: Absolutely. You go to our website which is restored hope network.org. Sorry,
S7: I almost blew it. Restored hope network.org. Um, and so
S7: once you go there you click on events and it
S7: is the Hope conference. It will have all the details
S7: of the speakers, what the sample schedule is, the simply
S7: the abbreviated schedule, um, and also the link to register.
S7: so the cost is $125 to attend. Um, which is
S7: a lot less than an in-person conference, which is wonderful. Um,
S7: the other thing, too, is, Janet, we want to give
S7: your listeners a 10% off code.
S1: Oh, wow. Thank you.
S7: So if they register, enter this into the code area.
S7: After you pick your general registration and you scroll down,
S7: it offers an option to type in a code. And
S7: that code is Janet. We're just going to use your
S7: first name. So there you go. I thought about all
S7: the other abbreviations that we decided on. Janet. So, um, yeah,
S7: if you just go there and you choose, that'll give
S7: you 10% off. It'll knock 10% off that cost. Wow. Um, yeah.
S1: And I'm not. I'm not. I want you to hit
S1: all the financial reimbursement to run a conference like this.
S1: But I just want to talk about the price for
S1: a minute. You know, if a husband and wife are
S1: going together, it's still 125. They're sitting in front of
S1: the same computer. Right. So I want you to figure
S1: that for the cost of the conference. So when you
S1: start thinking, well, if we had to pay individually to
S1: get into a conference, which you would, by the way,
S1: you can't do that when you're an in-person conference. But
S1: this is a cost that might be more manageable if
S1: you think, well, it's a husband and wife or a
S1: parent and a child or however iteration you do it,
S1: it's that access to the virtual conference. So thank you Anne.
S1: Restored Hope network. Org. By the way, I've made this
S1: real easy for you. I got a direct link on
S1: my information page. So if you're preparing dinner or you're
S1: stuck in traffic, it's all there in the info page.
S1: You try to make it easy for you, click it
S1: on and it's this Friday and Saturday. So people are going,
S1: wait a minute, I work on Friday. How much would
S1: I miss? So what are the hours for Friday and Saturday?
S7: Great question. It does start at 9 a.m. Denver time,
S7: mountain time. But the nice thing about this conference is
S7: you can either listen to it in your ear if
S7: you're able to do that while you work, or you
S7: can watch it immediately afterwards so you can join the
S7: live conference on Saturday if that's what your schedule looks like.
S7: And then listen immediately to the Friday part on Sunday
S7: or any other day you desire. It will not be
S7: loaded up onto YouTube and our other media outlet until
S7: probably January. So this gives you a window of six
S7: months that you have access to this material, these materials
S7: that you wouldn't otherwise have. Excellent. Um, so yes, there
S7: are a bunch of benefits to that.
S1: Okay.
S7: The other thing, too, is that we have a watch party. Um,
S7: we actually have eight watch parties around the country that
S7: are happening. So if they they miss the in-person aspect
S7: and they want to go to one. Well, we actually
S7: have one in Spokane, Washington, near Detroit, Michigan, and Bella Vista,
S7: Arkansas and Rockford, Illinois, Oklahoma City, up near a not
S7: to bury, but it'll be in Orlando, Florida. Conyers, Georgia,
S7: near Boston, Massachusetts. Um, and so they can also join
S7: one of those, but they'd have to reach out to
S7: us right away to get the info about how to
S7: join an in-person watch party.
S1: And that's where a group.
S7: Of.
S1: And that's a group of people watching together right in
S1: the same place physically.
S7: We. That's right. We sent watch party boxes. So they
S7: have a bunch of different ideas of how to host
S7: a watch party. It's like hosting another event, but you
S7: have the content from our conference that's being broadcast. Um,
S7: one of the one of the churches that's hosting us in, uh,
S7: Bella Vista, Arkansas, is a very large Southern Baptist church,
S7: and they're going to have seats for about 250 people.
S7: They're expecting over 150 to just that one watch party. Wow.
S7: So we shall see.
S1: That's that's awesome. All right. So let me just give
S1: you the flyover again. We're going to talk about it
S1: a lot because Anne was gracious. This is short notice.
S1: This comfort starts on Friday. So it's this week. I'm
S1: pretty sure she had a million and a half things
S1: to do. So for her to come and give me
S1: an hour of her time to take your questions, I
S1: just treasure. But most importantly, I wanted you to know
S1: about this conference because this is where you're going to
S1: get people who will answer these kinds of questions. Just
S1: quick fly over some of the topics the speakers are
S1: going to talk about.
S7: An absolutely. Jonathan Dougherty from Be Broken in Texas is
S7: going to be talking about overcoming sexualized media addiction. He's
S7: also going to be covering creating grace based environments for health,
S7: for hope and healing. Doctor Angeles is going to be
S7: speaking on trauma and the impact on spirit, soul and body.
S7: She also has a keynote that she'll be covering identity theft.
S7: What a great title. Yes, because that is in how
S7: to align with Christ. Christ centered identity. So she's going
S7: to be tying that all together. Um, Doctor Linda Seiler,
S7: PhD will be, um, covering accommodating celibate gay theology. A
S7: deceptive path it's the side B Christianity. Side A is
S7: generally the pro gay side. And then they contrast it
S7: with so-called side B. And that essentially is nearly gay Christianity.
S7: All it does is it say abstain, but you can
S7: adopt a gay identity. What's deceptive about that? Hello, Tyler.
S1: Exactly.
S7: We'll be covering that.
S1: So those are just a few. Okay. So again, it's
S1: restored hope network. I have this on my website, but
S1: if you're thinking about going directly. Great. Restored hope network. Org.
S1: There's an events tab. You click that on and then
S1: you'll see Hope conference 2025. And again the theme is
S1: called wash starts this Friday. And it'll be Friday and Saturday.
S1: And boy to have godly people rise up and talk
S1: biblically about this. Not try to be the book of James,
S1: a double minded man, unstable in all his ways. We've
S1: got a foot in both worlds. It just doesn't work.
S1: It's grace filled narrative. Grace always is the narrative. Seasoned.
S1: The Bible said with salt. It's not an either or.
S1: It's a both end. Back after this. Okay, friends, from
S1: here it is your questions to an Edward, who is
S1: the executive director of restored Hope network. Questions you've got
S1: on same sex attraction transgenderism. The list goes on and
S1: on and on. (877) 548-3675. I'm going to Ohio first and
S1: Marlena is with us first. Thank you so much for
S1: being here. And your question for Ann, please.
S8: Yes. My step granddaughter is scheduled to get married to
S8: another woman in September, and she sent me a an
S8: invitation to the wedding. She knows where I stand with
S8: my faith in God. My question is, do I go
S8: to the wedding? Which could mean that I condone what's
S8: going on? How do I handle this as a Christian
S8: in love?
S7: Wonderful question. A very frequently asked question, unfortunately. The first
S7: thing is you're taking this seriously for a reason. When
S7: you go to a wedding, they often will say that
S7: the people who are attending are giving witness to the union.
S7: So it is a very weighty thing to take into
S7: account before God, before God and man, that kind of bond.
S7: So one thing I would say is if you determine
S7: after our conversation that you cannot go to the wedding
S7: or you go with conditions, you would need to talk
S7: with your your step granddaughter ahead of time and let
S7: her know that this is what you mean and this
S7: is what you do not mean, or that you cannot come.
S7: And here's why. But you love her and you want
S7: to be in relationship with your step granddaughter. So those
S7: are a couple of the challenges coming up. One is,
S7: standing in as a believer in a wedding means you're
S7: standing in the place of you're representing Jesus in that location.
S7: Would Jesus attend someone marrying their their sibling with Jesus?
S7: Attend a wedding with two women marrying a man or
S7: vice versa? Um, clearly no. He would call them people
S7: out of sin, or he would be there and convict
S7: of sin and they would repent. So those are the
S7: kinds of things that we expect when Jesus is involved,
S7: when we step into a situation according to First Corinthians six,
S7: we're actually bearing with us in our bodies and our
S7: temples the Holy Spirit. And so we do represent God
S7: in that scenario. So it's very important to take this seriously.
S7: We actually have, um, in 2023, doctor Robert Gagnon, a
S7: theologian at New Testament theologian, covered that very topic, and
S7: it's available free if you want to listen in more
S7: and really think it through in detail. If you go
S7: to restored Hope network org and you go into resources,
S7: it'll offer you previous, um, Hope conference recordings in 2023.
S7: Doctor Robert Gagnon covered that very topic, so I highly
S7: recommend that for further follow up.
S1: Excellent. I hope that helps. And thank you so much
S1: for the question. Nisha. I welcome you from Illinois. Thanks
S1: for being here. Your question please.
S9: Hi. Thank you so much for your time. I just
S9: wanted to know if you have a family member that
S9: is trans and you want to help them come to
S9: like sanctification, but you were formerly in the community and
S9: identified in the LGBT community. How would you best go
S9: about helping them?
S7: Great question. So the first thing is you can talk
S7: based on a personal experience. And I find that to
S7: be incredibly powerful when I'm talking to people, if I
S7: grab a coffee at an airport and all there is
S7: is Starbucks and I will talk to somebody who either
S7: identifies as gay or trans, it's actually fun for me
S7: to share Jesus with them, should they be willing to
S7: have that conversation. Because, um, it shows a couple of things. One,
S7: that God loves people enough that he's willing to speak
S7: truth to someone. In that scenario, he's not afraid of
S7: dirtying his hands. He's actually wanting and longing to draw
S7: people to himself. Um, in that there's redemption in the
S7: middle of it. And so I get to share a
S7: little bit about, hey, I once was gay, and look
S7: what Jesus did in my life. And it's not just
S7: my life. He's done this to many others, so you
S7: can actually approach that in a very powerful way from
S7: talking about what Jesus is and has been doing and
S7: what he did do in your life to bring about redemption.
S7: So that's a great starting point. Again, there's no way
S7: to pressure someone to becoming a Christian or line up
S7: their lives with the Lord. But another powerful tool in
S7: your toolbox is questions. Well, if this person claimed to
S7: know Jesus at some point and they claim they're a
S7: Christian today, then it's a great question to say, okay, well,
S7: how did you get to the point where God is
S7: somehow okay with this? What changed about how you interpreted Scripture?
S7: Have you really evaluated how you're looking at that? Are
S7: you looking at it through the lens of your sin,
S7: or are you looking at it through God's lens of
S7: interpreting accurately Scripture? And so who changed in this equation?
S7: Often it's us. So the fact is humans are quite
S7: capable of justifying themselves in whatever form of sin, but
S7: that can open a conversation of, well, how close do
S7: you feel to God right now compared to previously? Um,
S7: how is your life going right now? And oftentimes, someone
S7: who's embracing trans, um, their whole scheme of life is
S7: being flipped upside down. Um, their way of thinking everybody
S7: else to flip their worldviews upside down. And so there's
S7: often a case of mental instability, emotional instability, other things
S7: like that that are not so encouraging. So it may
S7: not be going well for that person. That would be
S7: the time to insert maybe, um, the Lord has more
S7: for you. You don't have to go down this pathway.
S7: Are you sure this is the pathway that that God
S7: has in mind for you? And is this the right
S7: way to go and deal with truth claims? And that's
S7: very exciting. That's where things happen.
S1: That's why I love talking to an. It's not a
S1: wonderful answer. Nisha, I hope that's an encouragement to you.
S1: Thank you for your compassionate heart and asking the question
S1: in the first place. (877) 548-3675. This is in the market
S1: with Janet Parshall. Any question you have on all of
S1: this sexuality stuff that we're talking about in the marketplace
S1: of ideas. But the difference here is how do we
S1: respond like Jesus? (877) 548-3675. Ministry is never a solo effort.
S1: You know my voice because I'm on the radio every day.
S1: Look a little further and you'd see right into the
S1: homes of listeners just like you. Partial partners who give
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S1: Call eight 7758 or go online to in the market
S1: with Janet parshall.org. We're visiting with an Edward, who for
S1: more than two decades she has served as an author,
S1: a speaker, a spokesperson and an advocate for men and
S1: women who struggle with unwanted same sex attractions. That's why today,
S1: her role is executive director of restored Hope network. By
S1: the way, this was her story. That's why that verse
S1: in First Corinthians is so powerful. Someday, if you want.
S1: We'll have Anne come and share her story again. But
S1: such were some of you, including Anne. Not anymore. Now
S1: she's taking everything that has happened in her life through
S1: the indwelling power of the Holy Spirit and ministers to
S1: people who are broken and struggling in this area of
S1: sexual sin. I want to remind you again, also restored
S1: Hope network. I'll say it again. Restored Hope network. Their
S1: virtual conference entitled washed based on that verse in First Corinthians,
S1: starts this Friday and Saturday. It's a two day conference,
S1: starts at 9:00 Denver time. That's mountain time. But even
S1: if you can't, because you're on the job Friday, go
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S1: for this conference for six months for all of the messages,
S1: if you could only listen live on Saturday, you haven't
S1: lost anything. You're going to get your money's worth because
S1: you'll be able to listen up to six months. Absolutely fabulous.
S1: A great lineup of speakers really across the board dealing
S1: with issues of human sexuality that people struggle with. People
S1: in the church struggle with, issues the church struggles with.
S1: So it's going to be an absolutely fabulous conference. So
S1: check it out. Hope conference 2025. And I've got a
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S1: All right. Back to the phones where we started. (877) 548-3675
S1: Kathy in Indiana, thank you for being here. And your
S1: question for Anne, please.
S10: Hello, Anne. Um, I have a daughter who's married. Her
S10: husband has declared himself non-binary. She gets very upset if
S10: we don't use the they them pronouns, but I don't
S10: even know how to use them.
S7: I guess I do get you. Um. So, son in law,
S7: who's decided? he is not neither male or female. That's
S7: what non-binary means. So there is no, of course, justification
S7: scientifically for not being either male or female. In fact,
S7: our biology lines up exactly with the Word of God
S7: because he, the Word of God, created all things. And
S7: so there is no third sex or a lack of in-between.
S7: So if we define things biologically, he has no room,
S7: but he's defining himself emotionally, and he's defining himself by
S7: identity apart from biological reality. Um, so that is where
S7: he's at. Um, I wonder, Cathy, in your case, um,
S7: are you able to relate to him or is he
S7: still in communication with you, or may I ask that?
S7: I don't know, Cathy. No.
S10: None of them are actually communicating with us. But I
S10: actually became very good friends with my his mother.
S7: Okay.
S10: And so it is, you know, it's very difficult. Not
S10: only is he now declaring non-binary, but so is our
S10: ten year old grandson. His their oldest child. Oh.
S7: Okay.
S10: We are. I know it's, um. We we do not
S10: have any. We haven't seen them for at least five years. And, um.
S10: But the Lord in his grace. You know, I just
S10: keep trying to learn as much as I can. I
S10: don't have any intention of, you know, like my husband says,
S10: we want to be respectful, compassionate, but we want to
S10: stand firm on the word. And both my daughter and
S10: my son in law were raised. They declared they committed
S10: to Christ. And then somewhere along the line, and we
S10: don't know how. You know, Satan got a foothold and
S10: this is where we are.
S1: Yeah.
S7: Okay. Well, thank you so much, Cathy. Um, here are
S7: a couple of ideas. One is people are first and
S7: foremost often influenced in this pathway by either their peers
S7: who are embracing that ideology or through social media or
S7: through apps, TikTok, you name it, influencers online. So that's
S7: kind of where it's happening. And you can see that
S7: same influence going from father to son. He's still biologically
S7: a male, and he's influencing his male, uh, son to, um,
S7: embrace that too. It is natural for a son to
S7: want to imitate a father. And so this is unfortunately
S7: impacting the next generation, even though it may or may
S7: not be an issue that this child actually deals with. Um,
S7: so the question would be, um, how did you come
S7: about believing that you were neither male nor female? And
S7: how could you be neither male nor female if you
S7: produced a son? Um, uh, if you because we're actually
S7: oriented around our biology, that enables us to contribute either
S7: sperm or egg to the equation along with the other
S7: parts of the, you know, the uterus, etc., that that
S7: sustain and nurture life. Um, and that's a huge blessing
S7: from the hand of God. So, um, a person who
S7: embraces non-binary is actually running from the biological reality, scientific reality,
S7: the physical material reality of our existence and the one
S7: who made it. Now, there could be reasons why the
S7: person is running from God, essentially, and reality itself. Um,
S7: it could be for praise in this world. Because if
S7: let me tell you, if you're in school and some
S7: very liberal area in this country like Washington, Oregon, California, Massachusetts,
S7: you name it. If you're there and you're in school
S7: and you say, I'm heterosexual, for example, as a youth
S7: you're going to be called, um, uh, a victimizer. You're
S7: the bad guy, especially if you're a white male. Um,
S7: and so a lot of people are choosing a different
S7: label to put on themselves just so they won't be
S7: harassed in school. Unfortunately, that's a bad idea, of course. Uh,
S7: but nonetheless, that's happening as well. That probably is not
S7: the case with your son in law, but who he's
S7: hanging around with does have an influence, and Scripture points
S7: to that as well. Um, and this is serious consequences
S7: if a person goes through surgeries because of a result
S7: of this, um, non-binary identity or goes through medical treatments,
S7: the amount of, um, mental health issues that the person
S7: encounters increases exponentially. The largest research study that was done
S7: on people who have experienced surgeries to align with what
S7: their mental idea of who they are sexually is that
S7: there is a very, very high suicide rate of completed suicide,
S7: not just a suicide attempt. Males that take female hormones
S7: are much more likely to have hospitalization after a suicide
S7: attempt than any other measure of suicidality as well. So
S7: it's it's this is a dangerous pathway. Mhm. Um, so
S7: I want to affirm you that what you're sensing about
S7: something being off is really important. Um, affirming the unreality
S7: of what they're experiencing. This individual or other individuals, both
S7: the grandson and son in law doesn't help them. Um,
S7: compassion helps them, but truth also helps them. And so
S7: they might buck against that. There are ways to keep
S7: a relationship, and I just want to let you know
S7: that some family members, like you're experiencing experience estrangement because
S7: you don't agree with the the ideology that your loved one,
S7: the ones that you reared are walking through and they
S7: cut you off. And so Gretchen Stockman during the Hope conference,
S7: is actually going to cover that. She's been estranged from
S7: a couple of her kids, one a gay son and
S7: one who identifies as trans. And so, um, she has
S7: been not compromising her faith, but also working towards reconciliation
S7: at the same time. And it's actually a beautiful story.
S7: So if you're able to come, there might be some
S7: incredible insights for you there. Another one that will be
S7: covered is Doctor Julie Hamilton, who is an expert, uh,
S7: licensed therapist as well. She has her PhD counseling. Gender
S7: dysphoric youth will be her topic. So with the grandson,
S7: this might be really relevant. Um, just just a thought. Um,
S7: I won't be able to give you much more detail
S7: on a on a quick radio interview here, but those
S7: things would be good follow up for you.
S1: Cathy. This would be a good place for me to
S1: say again, restored Hope network, you're going to see an
S1: events tab. Click that on and then you'll see a
S1: reference to Hope conference. Click that on and it'll walk
S1: you through the steps on how you can be a
S1: part of the virtual conference. You don't have to go anywhere.
S1: You can watch this right through your screen at home
S1: Friday and Saturday. And and I think it was brilliant
S1: that you told us yet again about more of the
S1: speakers that are going to be there. It is a
S1: wide variety of topics, all of them biblio centric, and
S1: I cannot underscore that enough. And it'll offer a lot
S1: of help as well. So Cathy, thank you so much
S1: for being with us, Anna in Pennsylvania. Thanks for being here.
S1: Your question please.
S11: Yes. Um, thank you for having me. Um, how how
S11: do you explain to your child that's been raised in,
S11: you know, in the Christian faith that, you know, the word, um,
S11: homosexuality is a mistranslation in the Bible, that it doesn't
S11: mean what? It's that that's not what it really meant.
S1: Yeah. This is a new angle. This is a new
S1: thing that's happening. Going back to what is it, the documentary,
S1: I think it was 1946 or something. It's a mistranslation.
S1: And it's all it's propaganda. It is. There's that's a
S1: wonderful thing. When all else fails, read the instructions from
S1: Genesis to Revelation. There's zero ambiguity on this. It's torturous
S1: to try to think that, oh, no, no, they meant, uh,
S1: they were sexually immoral homosexuals, you know, they weren't being
S1: monogamously faithful. No, they were just talking about temple. I mean,
S1: every iteration under the sun, God makes it perfectly clear. Now,
S1: I took the air out of the room on that response.
S1: And so forgive me, when we come back, you answer, please,
S1: Anna's question, but I just want to encourage you, Anna.
S1: Just because I listen to the chatter in the marketplace,
S1: what you're having told to you that it was a mistranslation.
S1: This is a new part of the toolbox of propaganda
S1: that somehow this the whole argument hinges on a mistranslation
S1: of the word. But here's what the good part of
S1: that is. They're still understanding that it's the word that's
S1: the encumbrance to absolute, total licentiousness. What is it about
S1: the word that makes people stop and say, but, but okay,
S1: I can't just go full bore because there's something in
S1: that book that says something, but I don't know, maybe
S1: they mistranslated it. So be encouraged, because that's just part
S1: of the enemy's toolbox. You're going to hear Ann's response
S1: right after this. And Edward is with us, executive director
S1: of restored Hope network. And boy, this weekend, Friday and
S1: Saturday they have a fabulous conference. Virtual conference. Friday the 20th.
S1: Saturday the 21st. I got a link for you to
S1: be able to sign up anywhere on planet Earth, and
S1: you can be a part of this. And what you're
S1: going to hear is a lot of what Anne has
S1: been saying, and answers to your questions only by a
S1: panoply of different speakers with areas of expertise. So please,
S1: if this is a real and present issue in your family,
S1: it would so be a great use of your time
S1: to be able to get these answers from people who
S1: are expert, qualified personal testimonies themselves. Now back to Anna
S1: because Anna is hearing from one of her own babies
S1: this bit of propaganda that the problem hinges not on
S1: what God said. The problem hinges on man's fallibility and
S1: a mistranslation in the Scripture. And your response?
S7: Well, I'll tell you, I've heard this argument many times before. Um,
S7: what they don't realize is that the word homosexuality, though
S7: it didn't exist until, uh, it came out of Europe
S7: and didn't exist until recently. Uh, the original all material
S7: in Greek and in Hebrew existed preexisted that many times over.
S1: That's exactly.
S7: Right. And if you look at the actual meaning of
S7: the words in Hebrew and Greek, which you can do
S7: easily these days, um, through Biblehub.com, Biblegateway, you name it, um,
S7: go get a literal translation, uh, Vine's dictionary, you name it,
S7: you can, you can look at all those things. But, um,
S7: Leviticus 1822 says, you shall not lie with a male
S7: as with a woman. So that's pretty clear in Hebrew.
S7: It's I cannot pronounce any of those words, but it
S7: literally says, you shall not lie. Uh. Lie down. Uh,
S7: Quentin is the word in Greek. Uh, means to bed someone.
S7: As a woman, you shall not bed a male as
S7: with a female. And so that's referring to sexuality. It
S7: is not. There's no constriction on that as far as
S7: abuse of minors or abuse of slaves or anything else,
S7: it had nothing to do with that. If you look
S7: at the context of the Scripture, so context is really
S7: important there, avoiding the context. And if you simply look
S7: at Romans one, you will see a lot of detail
S7: there to malakoi as being, uh, and um, arsenokoitai, which
S7: is something that Paul came up with as a result
S7: of the Levitical prohibitions, where God says that is a
S7: that's an abomination in his mind. That is, that is
S7: a serious, uh, uh, stepping off into sin, veering away
S7: from his design with our bodies. And truly it is.
S7: But Romans one, we'll talk about that, too, if you
S7: simply go back to the Greek or the Hebrew, it
S7: says exactly the same thing. We simply came up with
S7: a term later on in time that was homosexuality that
S7: we've come to. To understand is that phrase, which means
S7: somebody who has sex with somebody of the same sex.
S7: So a male or a female, it doesn't identify anywhere
S7: in Scripture. A person who is identified by a third dynamic,
S7: or a fourth or a 78th like Facebook offers you.
S7: Quite honestly, and I don't mean to make light of
S7: these things. These are really important because the sexuality and
S7: gender goes down to the core of a human being.
S1: Yes, mam.
S7: But we honestly must evaluate who we are by not
S7: just the body parts, but the DNA. That's part of
S7: every cell in the human body. If we treat a
S7: human being who's a female like a male, a female
S7: body embodied person who which means that's a female. If
S7: we treat them as if they are because they identify
S7: as male, we give them male medicines, medicines, we do
S7: hormone blockers, we give them opposite sex hormones. We go
S7: through surgical processes. If you do that, you will increase
S7: testosterone in the body, which will elevate the the blood development.
S7: You'll have more red blood cells, which can lead to
S7: with a circulatory system that's not built for that. And
S7: what can happen is a more likely situation where a
S7: person can have a stroke or a heart attack, because
S7: clotting happens more frequently in a body that has more
S7: red blood cells. Okay. Or other blood particles. And so
S7: you've got you've got problems right there. Forget about the
S7: mental health issues, but mental health issues are a big deal.
S7: It's no surprise to me That when you evaluate who
S7: are the violent crime people, it's usually male. So if
S7: you fill a female body with a bunch of male testosterone,
S7: that's at a really high level. The only kind of
S7: level that in a female body it would be present
S7: would be a some kind of really horrible cancer. Um,
S7: if that's the case, and you fill someone with that
S7: much testosterone, it's no surprise to me that a female
S7: who identifies as a male is the one who was
S7: out there shooting. Testosterone and outward violence tend to go along.
S7: Thank goodness men know how to control that testosterone, and
S7: they learn through puberty how to be in control of
S7: their bodies instead of their bodies being in control of them.
S7: And with good leadership, that can especially happen if you
S7: take a male body, a person who's in a male
S7: physical body, that means a male person, and you fill
S7: that person with female hormones, surgeries, blockers of male testosterone,
S7: you will get someone who looks like a female, potentially
S7: just like in the other scenario, but they will actually
S7: be having way too high of estrogen in their body.
S7: And that can lead to severe mental health issues. Like
S7: I mentioned before, which is that person is more likely
S7: to be suicidal with a serious compulsion to take their lives.
S7: And the research that was done in Sweden found that
S7: people were 41%, 19 times higher than the regular population
S7: to try and take their lives after surgery. They also
S7: had research in the last couple of years that looked
S7: at how likely is a person going to need psychological drugs,
S7: psychiatric drugs, and it increases hugely after they begin this process.
S7: So there's instability. That's not a good idea.
S1: Wow. Wow. And there's. There's so much more we can
S1: talk about. And many more people online to talk to you.
S1: I wish I had another hour. Let's do this again
S1: real soon. But in the meantime, I want to take
S1: the last couple of seconds here and promote the conference.
S1: It's called washed. It's the hope 2025. Remember, it's the
S1: restored Hope network. So it's the Hope 2025 conference. And
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S1: Click on through and you can sign up. And again
S1: it's virtual. You don't have to travel anywhere. You can
S1: watch it right through whatever screen you're going to sign
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S1: even if it starts at 9:00 mountain time on Friday,
S1: but if you're saying, well, that's the middle of a workday,
S1: don't worry about it. When you sign up for this conference,
S1: you're going to get six months of an opportunity to
S1: be able to hear all of the speakers. So check
S1: it out because your questions are going to be answered
S1: at this conference. Lord bless you and thank you, friends.
S1: We'll see you next time.