1 00:00:00,040 --> 00:00:02,480 S1: Hi friends. Thanks so much for downloading this podcast, and 2 00:00:02,480 --> 00:00:06,000 S1: I hope truly that you will hear something that will encourage, edify, equip, 3 00:00:06,000 --> 00:00:08,360 S1: and enlighten you to get out there and influence and 4 00:00:08,400 --> 00:00:11,040 S1: occupy until he comes. And on that note, may I 5 00:00:11,039 --> 00:00:13,080 S1: take just a few moments here to describe this month's 6 00:00:13,080 --> 00:00:15,920 S1: truth tool? It's by pastor Jack Hibbs. He's written the 7 00:00:15,920 --> 00:00:19,040 S1: book called Called to Take a Bold Stand. I absolutely 8 00:00:19,040 --> 00:00:21,520 S1: love this book because it reminds us that in Christ 9 00:00:21,520 --> 00:00:24,480 S1: all things pass away. All things become new, that we 10 00:00:24,480 --> 00:00:27,240 S1: are standing for his truth, that we have a new nature. 11 00:00:27,240 --> 00:00:30,080 S1: Because of him, we should be living boldly. But far 12 00:00:30,080 --> 00:00:33,120 S1: too often we retreat out of fear from cultural blowback. 13 00:00:33,320 --> 00:00:35,600 S1: So I want to encourage all of us to just 14 00:00:35,600 --> 00:00:37,800 S1: stand up for Christ, to be unashamed of who we 15 00:00:37,800 --> 00:00:40,120 S1: are in him, and to go into a culture that's 16 00:00:40,120 --> 00:00:43,600 S1: telling us in no uncertain terms. They're lost and they're hurting. 17 00:00:43,600 --> 00:00:45,760 S1: So if you'd like a copy of Pastor Hibbs new 18 00:00:45,760 --> 00:00:48,400 S1: book called Call to Take a Bold Stand, just give 19 00:00:48,400 --> 00:00:50,720 S1: a gift of any amount by calling eight, seven, seven. 20 00:00:50,720 --> 00:00:53,680 S1: Janet 58. 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Now, 39 00:01:37,319 --> 00:01:39,160 S1: please enjoy the broadcast. 40 00:01:40,560 --> 00:01:42,119 S2: Here are some of the news headlines we're watching. 41 00:01:42,400 --> 00:01:44,639 S3: The conference was over. The president won a pledge. 42 00:01:44,720 --> 00:01:46,840 S4: Americans worshiping government over God. 43 00:01:47,200 --> 00:01:49,680 S3: Extremely rare safety move by a major. 44 00:01:49,720 --> 00:01:52,680 S5: 17 years of Palestinians and Israelis negotiated. 45 00:02:07,890 --> 00:02:08,530 S3: Hi friends. 46 00:02:08,530 --> 00:02:10,810 S1: Welcome to In the Market with Janet Partial. Thanks so 47 00:02:10,810 --> 00:02:13,130 S1: much for spending the day with me and a very 48 00:02:13,169 --> 00:02:15,810 S1: happy Monday to you. So you know that we love 49 00:02:15,810 --> 00:02:17,489 S1: history around here. And I want to tell you a 50 00:02:17,490 --> 00:02:19,770 S1: little history about one of the founding fathers, a gentleman 51 00:02:19,770 --> 00:02:22,649 S1: by the name of Patrick Henry. He was a prominent 52 00:02:22,650 --> 00:02:26,770 S1: American founding father. He was an orator, and he was 53 00:02:26,770 --> 00:02:30,210 S1: an attorney. He was a leader against British policy. He 54 00:02:30,210 --> 00:02:33,250 S1: was a member of the Continental Congress and opposed the 55 00:02:33,250 --> 00:02:37,330 S1: Stamp Act of 1765. He served as the first governor 56 00:02:37,330 --> 00:02:41,889 S1: of Virginia from 1776 to 1779, and was re-elected multiple 57 00:02:41,889 --> 00:02:47,530 S1: times in 1774 to 1784. He was a staunch advocate 58 00:02:47,530 --> 00:02:51,810 S1: of state sovereignty, initially refusing to attend the 1787 Constitutional 59 00:02:51,810 --> 00:02:55,930 S1: Convention because he, quote, smelled a rat in Philadelphia. So 60 00:02:55,930 --> 00:02:58,770 S1: he led the fight against ratifying the U.S. Constitution, fearing 61 00:02:58,770 --> 00:03:01,690 S1: that it would create too strong of a federal government. 62 00:03:01,730 --> 00:03:03,609 S1: It was right. In some respects, there wasn't he, which 63 00:03:03,610 --> 00:03:06,770 S1: directly led to the inclusion of the Bill of rights. 64 00:03:06,770 --> 00:03:09,290 S1: He was married not once, but twice. His first wife 65 00:03:09,290 --> 00:03:12,450 S1: died in 1775. Later he married another woman. In between 66 00:03:12,450 --> 00:03:16,530 S1: the two, he became the father of 17 children. He 67 00:03:16,530 --> 00:03:19,850 S1: eventually died of what was called putrid fever. Probably in 68 00:03:19,850 --> 00:03:22,250 S1: today's terms, it would have been more like cancer. But 69 00:03:22,250 --> 00:03:24,730 S1: why am I bringing him up? Because it was on 70 00:03:24,730 --> 00:03:29,970 S1: this day, March 23rd, 1775, that Patrick Henry didn't give 71 00:03:29,970 --> 00:03:33,209 S1: a speech. He lit a fuse when he said, give 72 00:03:33,210 --> 00:03:36,970 S1: me liberty or give me death. The room shook. A 73 00:03:36,970 --> 00:03:42,050 S1: revelation followed, and a nation was born. And 251 years later, 74 00:03:42,330 --> 00:03:45,850 S1: that fire still burns in the hearts of Americans. Give 75 00:03:45,850 --> 00:03:48,970 S1: me liberty or give me death. History matters. Thought I'd 76 00:03:48,970 --> 00:03:51,410 S1: share that with you. Well, let's talk about history being 77 00:03:51,410 --> 00:03:53,290 S1: made in the Middle East. How close are we to 78 00:03:53,330 --> 00:03:56,580 S1: this thing being over? Well, it kind of depends on Iran, 79 00:03:56,580 --> 00:03:59,140 S1: doesn't it? And they are playing chess, by the way, 80 00:03:59,140 --> 00:04:02,660 S1: big time. Here's more from CBN news Julie Stahl. 81 00:04:03,020 --> 00:04:07,540 S6: Saturday, Iranian missiles got past Israel's defenses, striking the city 82 00:04:07,540 --> 00:04:11,740 S6: of Dimona, where Israel's nuclear reactor is located, as well 83 00:04:11,740 --> 00:04:15,300 S6: as the nearby city of Arad. The strike's doing severe 84 00:04:15,340 --> 00:04:19,820 S6: damage and wounding more than 100, but miraculously, no one died. 85 00:04:20,779 --> 00:04:23,339 S7: These are two separate incidents that happened at different times 86 00:04:23,339 --> 00:04:26,300 S7: and in both interceptors were fired. But unfortunately, we were 87 00:04:26,300 --> 00:04:28,580 S7: not able to intercept the missiles that were fired from 88 00:04:28,580 --> 00:04:30,979 S7: the investigation we carried out in the Air Force. It 89 00:04:30,980 --> 00:04:33,339 S7: came out that the failure in the interception in both 90 00:04:33,339 --> 00:04:35,620 S7: incidents is not related one to the other. 91 00:04:35,700 --> 00:04:40,340 S6: Israeli military spokesman, Brigadier General F.E. Dufrene says that the 92 00:04:40,339 --> 00:04:43,860 S6: missiles Iran is using are familiar to Israel, and they 93 00:04:43,900 --> 00:04:45,900 S6: are learning new things all the time. 94 00:04:46,140 --> 00:04:48,980 S7: The Air Force is managing a complex defensive battle. More 95 00:04:48,980 --> 00:04:52,020 S7: than 90% of the launches fired at Israel are intercepted. 96 00:04:52,260 --> 00:04:55,820 S6: On Friday, an Iranian missile landed in Jerusalem's Old City 97 00:04:55,860 --> 00:04:59,220 S6: Jewish Quarter. It's the second time fragments fell in the 98 00:04:59,220 --> 00:05:02,219 S6: historic Old City in a week. Once near the church 99 00:05:02,220 --> 00:05:06,500 S6: of the Holy Sepulchre. Visiting Iran on Sunday. Israeli Prime 100 00:05:06,500 --> 00:05:11,380 S6: Minister Benjamin Netanyahu said the fact they targeted civilians with 101 00:05:11,380 --> 00:05:16,020 S6: mass murder weapons proves Iran endangers the entire world. 102 00:05:16,140 --> 00:05:20,580 S8: We're responding with great force, but not on civilians. We're 103 00:05:20,580 --> 00:05:23,980 S8: going after the regime. We're going after the IRGC, the 104 00:05:24,020 --> 00:05:28,140 S8: this criminal gang, and we're going after them personally, their leaders, 105 00:05:28,420 --> 00:05:30,860 S8: their installations, their economic assets. 106 00:05:30,900 --> 00:05:34,580 S6: Also on Friday, Iran proved it had longer range missiles 107 00:05:34,580 --> 00:05:39,380 S6: than previously thought. It launched two ICBMs at a joint 108 00:05:39,380 --> 00:05:43,500 S6: UK US military base on Diego Garcia Island in the 109 00:05:43,500 --> 00:05:48,980 S6: Indian Ocean, some 2500 miles away. Both the missiles missed, 110 00:05:48,980 --> 00:05:51,700 S6: but it proves they have the ability to reach Western 111 00:05:51,700 --> 00:05:55,910 S6: Europe twice as far as previously believed. In an interview 112 00:05:55,910 --> 00:05:59,750 S6: on CBS Face the Nation, U.S. ambassador to the United 113 00:05:59,750 --> 00:06:03,790 S6: Nations Mike waltz said it's proof the war is necessary. 114 00:06:03,830 --> 00:06:08,029 S9: Thank God the president is taking action now and stopping 115 00:06:08,029 --> 00:06:11,190 S9: this march towards a fully fledged nuclear program instead of 116 00:06:11,190 --> 00:06:13,630 S9: waiting until after it's developed. 117 00:06:13,670 --> 00:06:17,470 S6: Meantime, President Trump extended the 48 hour deadline he gave 118 00:06:17,470 --> 00:06:20,950 S6: Iran over the weekend to open up the Strait of Hormuz. 119 00:06:21,230 --> 00:06:24,349 S6: They now have five days to comply or face attacks 120 00:06:24,350 --> 00:06:27,549 S6: on its power grid. He made the announcement on Truth 121 00:06:27,589 --> 00:06:32,430 S6: Social based on conversations over the weekend. He called in-depth, 122 00:06:32,430 --> 00:06:36,670 S6: detailed and constructive. Under the previous deadline, Iran had threatened 123 00:06:36,670 --> 00:06:40,870 S6: to retaliate by hitting regional power plants in countries that 124 00:06:40,870 --> 00:06:46,150 S6: supply U.S. bases or have American investments. NATO Secretary General 125 00:06:46,150 --> 00:06:49,630 S6: Mark Rutte told Fox News Sunday that NATO countries are 126 00:06:49,630 --> 00:06:53,070 S6: now stepping up to help protect shipping in the strait 127 00:06:53,070 --> 00:06:54,910 S6: after initially refusing. 128 00:06:55,150 --> 00:06:58,590 S10: A group of 22 countries, most of them from NATO 129 00:06:59,150 --> 00:07:03,830 S10: but also Japan, Korea, Australia, New Zealand, the UAE and Bahrain. 130 00:07:04,190 --> 00:07:07,190 S10: Most of the other countries from NATO coming together to 131 00:07:07,230 --> 00:07:10,510 S10: implement his vision of making sure that the Strait of 132 00:07:10,510 --> 00:07:13,670 S10: Hormuz is is free, is opening up. 133 00:07:14,870 --> 00:07:18,550 S6: In the North. Hezbollah continues to pummel northern Israel, and 134 00:07:18,590 --> 00:07:22,270 S6: Israel is striking back at Hezbollah leaders and weapons and 135 00:07:22,270 --> 00:07:25,950 S6: targeting bridges over the Litani River to block the flow 136 00:07:25,950 --> 00:07:30,910 S6: of Hezbollah fighters from the north. Julie Stahl CBN News Jerusalem. 137 00:07:31,110 --> 00:07:34,230 S1: And in a story that reminds us that anti-Semitism continues 138 00:07:34,230 --> 00:07:37,070 S1: to exist, here's a story out of London and some 139 00:07:37,070 --> 00:07:40,150 S1: volunteer Jewish ambulances walking. 140 00:07:40,150 --> 00:07:44,630 S11: Calmly into the site of CCTV. Three hooded figures and 141 00:07:44,630 --> 00:07:48,070 S11: it doesn't take long for their intentions to become clear 142 00:07:48,230 --> 00:07:51,870 S11: as flames start to leap from behind an ambulance fee fee. 143 00:07:51,910 --> 00:07:52,990 S12: Ambulances like it. 144 00:07:53,030 --> 00:07:56,350 S11: Nearby residents filming the flames as they take hold and 145 00:07:56,350 --> 00:08:04,670 S11: spread explosions ringing out. The apparent target, a Jewish volunteer 146 00:08:04,710 --> 00:08:09,550 S11: rescue organization, Hatzolah North West, confirming four of its ambulances 147 00:08:09,550 --> 00:08:12,830 S11: were set alight, saying there are concerns that this is 148 00:08:12,830 --> 00:08:18,470 S11: a direct attack on the Jewish community. The incident occurring 149 00:08:18,470 --> 00:08:22,550 S11: in the neighbourhood of Golders Green, located in London's north, 150 00:08:22,590 --> 00:08:26,550 S11: the area known for its large Jewish community. The Metropolitan 151 00:08:26,550 --> 00:08:29,790 S11: Police are now hunting the three suspects and treating the 152 00:08:29,790 --> 00:08:33,950 S11: incident as an anti-Semitic hate crime, adding we will be 153 00:08:33,950 --> 00:08:38,350 S11: engaging with faith leaders and carrying out additional patrols. Shelly 154 00:08:38,390 --> 00:08:39,910 S11: Doyle nine news. 155 00:08:41,070 --> 00:08:44,190 S1: And it continues, does it not? We understand differently than 156 00:08:44,190 --> 00:08:46,870 S1: the world because at its root, this is a spiritual war. 157 00:08:46,870 --> 00:08:48,910 S1: We need to understand that and it helps us to 158 00:08:48,950 --> 00:08:52,680 S1: pray effectively and fervently, and we need to do both 159 00:08:52,720 --> 00:08:54,720 S1: at this time. Don't forget this month's truth tool by 160 00:08:54,720 --> 00:08:57,960 S1: pastor Jack Hibbs, called to take a bold stand, reminds 161 00:08:57,960 --> 00:09:00,959 S1: us the clock is ticking. Jesus is returning. And what 162 00:09:00,960 --> 00:09:03,120 S1: are you going to do for Christ and His kingdom 163 00:09:03,120 --> 00:09:06,160 S1: in the time that you have left? Being bold now 164 00:09:06,600 --> 00:09:10,120 S1: matters more than ever before. It's a wicked and perverse generation, 165 00:09:10,120 --> 00:09:12,959 S1: but you and I, as followers of Christ, are called 166 00:09:12,960 --> 00:09:15,640 S1: to be lights in a dark world. Let's do that. 167 00:09:15,679 --> 00:09:17,360 S1: We're going to take a break and be right back. 168 00:09:40,840 --> 00:09:43,560 S1: As culture continues to stumble into darkness, it's easy to 169 00:09:43,600 --> 00:09:45,840 S1: lose heart and grow weary in your faith. And that's 170 00:09:45,840 --> 00:09:48,000 S1: why I've chosen called to Take a bold stand by 171 00:09:48,080 --> 00:09:50,679 S1: pastor Jack Hibbs is this month's truth tool. Learn how 172 00:09:50,679 --> 00:09:53,679 S1: to represent Christ courageously in a hurting world. As for 173 00:09:53,679 --> 00:09:55,680 S1: your copy of call to take a bold stand when 174 00:09:55,679 --> 00:09:57,600 S1: you give a gift of any amount to. In the market, 175 00:09:57,600 --> 00:10:02,000 S1: call 877. Janet 58. That's 877. Janet 58. Or go 176 00:10:02,000 --> 00:10:04,360 S1: to in the market with Janet dot o r g. 177 00:10:06,160 --> 00:10:09,160 S1: So did you watch the Oscars this year? Oh you didn't. Well, 178 00:10:09,160 --> 00:10:11,920 S1: that's no surprise. Last year they had 34 million viewers. 179 00:10:11,920 --> 00:10:15,320 S1: This year they had 17 million viewers. A lot of 180 00:10:15,320 --> 00:10:17,880 S1: people want to see if their movie did well, kind 181 00:10:17,920 --> 00:10:19,959 S1: of like their favorite team. But the problem is you 182 00:10:19,960 --> 00:10:23,320 S1: have to plow through so many political statements. It's hard. 183 00:10:23,559 --> 00:10:25,160 S1: But I'll tell you who did watch, and that was 184 00:10:25,160 --> 00:10:28,000 S1: Karen Cavell, who's the founding director of Hollywood's Prayer Network. 185 00:10:28,000 --> 00:10:31,680 S1: And not only did she pray during the the broadcast 186 00:10:31,679 --> 00:10:34,400 S1: and did they have a watch party, the Hpn folks did, 187 00:10:34,640 --> 00:10:37,360 S1: but they were there before the Oscars, praying and walking 188 00:10:37,360 --> 00:10:40,280 S1: on the red carpet to pray that God would be 189 00:10:40,280 --> 00:10:42,120 S1: honored and lifted up, and to pray for all of 190 00:10:42,120 --> 00:10:44,640 S1: those that they would come to understand that as important 191 00:10:44,640 --> 00:10:48,970 S1: as that golden statue might be temporally. It has little 192 00:10:48,970 --> 00:10:52,290 S1: meaning eternally. And when you have to wait till next 193 00:10:52,290 --> 00:10:55,329 S1: year's nominees show up, well, suddenly your name is now 194 00:10:55,330 --> 00:10:57,890 S1: in the history. So this is one of those entities 195 00:10:57,890 --> 00:11:00,010 S1: where it would be very easy to be mad. Pick 196 00:11:00,010 --> 00:11:03,010 S1: up a stone, throw a rock at your local Cinemax theater. Or, 197 00:11:03,929 --> 00:11:07,610 S1: as Karen Cavell has taught me personally, stop looking at 198 00:11:07,610 --> 00:11:10,890 S1: Hollywood as Sodom and Gomorrah, but instead start looking at 199 00:11:10,890 --> 00:11:14,930 S1: it as Nineveh because there is change coming. You did watch. 200 00:11:14,970 --> 00:11:16,650 S1: It's a part of the call sheets that you put 201 00:11:16,650 --> 00:11:19,130 S1: out not once, but twice each month. Karen. And I'm 202 00:11:19,130 --> 00:11:22,569 S1: so glad you do. And you start out directly by declaring, 203 00:11:22,570 --> 00:11:24,730 S1: we need to be praying for the winners. Now, I 204 00:11:24,770 --> 00:11:27,850 S1: love your perspective on this. They've got their gold statue. 205 00:11:27,890 --> 00:11:30,490 S1: Now they're in a high category, high demand. Their agents 206 00:11:30,490 --> 00:11:32,449 S1: are going to be fielding phone calls left, right and 207 00:11:32,450 --> 00:11:35,330 S1: upside down. And yet you're still asking us to pray 208 00:11:35,330 --> 00:11:36,330 S1: for them. Tell me why. 209 00:11:37,250 --> 00:11:42,569 S13: Well, because they influence the world. I just believe that 210 00:11:42,570 --> 00:11:46,330 S13: when there are people that are on television, on films, 211 00:11:46,690 --> 00:11:50,690 S13: in music, behind the scenes, but making something impact culture 212 00:11:50,690 --> 00:11:54,209 S13: that we have to pray. And I truly believe in 213 00:11:54,210 --> 00:11:58,490 S13: the great quote. Um, prayer is not preparation for the 214 00:11:58,490 --> 00:12:02,610 S13: greater work. Prayer is the greater work. Oswald Chambers says that, 215 00:12:02,610 --> 00:12:05,890 S13: and I just think that we need to stop mass 216 00:12:05,890 --> 00:12:10,210 S13: consuming the media or hating it or judging it, but 217 00:12:10,210 --> 00:12:13,290 S13: praying for the people who are creating it. Because honestly, 218 00:12:13,490 --> 00:12:16,290 S13: if you pray for the people creating it, their hearts 219 00:12:16,290 --> 00:12:19,610 S13: will change and then their content will change. And that's 220 00:12:19,610 --> 00:12:21,090 S13: what I get excited about. 221 00:12:21,130 --> 00:12:23,290 S1: Oh, and it's why I love having you on. Because 222 00:12:23,290 --> 00:12:26,290 S1: I want your excitement to be contagious to the people 223 00:12:26,290 --> 00:12:29,090 S1: who are listening all across the country. I so appreciate that. 224 00:12:29,370 --> 00:12:31,170 S1: So by the way, just for the record, for people 225 00:12:31,170 --> 00:12:33,490 S1: who are curious, this is what's euphemistically referred to as 226 00:12:33,490 --> 00:12:36,489 S1: the award season. You turn around and there's yet another ceremony. 227 00:12:36,730 --> 00:12:39,690 S1: Is the Oscar, is that the Super Bowl or are 228 00:12:39,690 --> 00:12:41,850 S1: we done after this? Are there more awards coming? 229 00:12:42,210 --> 00:12:44,780 S13: No, this is pretty much the Super Bowl. There are 230 00:12:44,780 --> 00:12:47,900 S13: some music awards. MTV comes in different things, but this 231 00:12:47,900 --> 00:12:50,500 S13: is the height they. It comes all the way up 232 00:12:50,500 --> 00:12:53,260 S13: through the beginning of March and then it settles down 233 00:12:53,260 --> 00:12:55,780 S13: a little bit. Now there are awards ceremonies all through 234 00:12:55,780 --> 00:13:00,060 S13: the year because people love getting awards. But the main 235 00:13:00,059 --> 00:13:02,620 S13: one is the Oscars and a lot of them leading 236 00:13:02,620 --> 00:13:04,860 S13: up to that are kind of the forerunners to give 237 00:13:04,860 --> 00:13:08,220 S13: you a chance to know what might happen. And so 238 00:13:08,260 --> 00:13:10,900 S13: it was pretty much predicted this year. A lot of 239 00:13:10,900 --> 00:13:13,500 S13: the films were not seen by most people across the country. 240 00:13:13,500 --> 00:13:16,220 S13: And as you said, it was half the number watching 241 00:13:16,220 --> 00:13:21,260 S13: the awards. Um, a crazy drop. But the fact is, 242 00:13:21,300 --> 00:13:24,579 S13: they still day to day impact people all over the globe. 243 00:13:24,620 --> 00:13:26,860 S1: Yeah, because we still love to be entertained. So we're 244 00:13:26,860 --> 00:13:29,339 S1: still watching the movies, and I don't think that's going 245 00:13:29,380 --> 00:13:32,020 S1: to stop anytime soon. For one of the reasons that 246 00:13:32,020 --> 00:13:34,340 S1: you taught us many, many times over and over and 247 00:13:34,340 --> 00:13:36,620 S1: over again, Karen, that it's all about the story. I mean, 248 00:13:36,620 --> 00:13:40,660 S1: my goodness, the gospel is one translation is called the message. 249 00:13:40,660 --> 00:13:43,660 S1: It's the story of what Jesus did for us. And 250 00:13:43,660 --> 00:13:47,500 S1: then Jesus, as the most outstanding teacher ever, uses stories, 251 00:13:47,540 --> 00:13:51,260 S1: aka parables to tell messages that have importance. So people 252 00:13:51,260 --> 00:13:53,500 S1: are always drawn to a good story. You know, I 253 00:13:53,500 --> 00:13:55,860 S1: keep thinking it isn't just for the artists themselves, but 254 00:13:55,860 --> 00:13:58,340 S1: for the writers in particular, that God would just reign 255 00:13:58,340 --> 00:14:01,900 S1: his creativity down on them because there is that God 256 00:14:01,900 --> 00:14:04,580 S1: shaped void, you know? Isn't it interesting when you watch 257 00:14:04,580 --> 00:14:06,540 S1: films and you go, well, there was kind of like 258 00:14:06,540 --> 00:14:09,819 S1: spiritual questions that were being asked there. Um, Malik is 259 00:14:09,820 --> 00:14:12,460 S1: a perfect example. I love his films because he doesn't 260 00:14:12,460 --> 00:14:14,900 S1: do a film without a spiritual question being asked. He 261 00:14:14,900 --> 00:14:17,460 S1: doesn't sometimes come up with the answer, but that's okay 262 00:14:17,500 --> 00:14:19,660 S1: because afterwards I think, go get your slice of pizza 263 00:14:19,660 --> 00:14:21,540 S1: and your soda and then talk about it because he's 264 00:14:21,540 --> 00:14:24,180 S1: going to get you thinking about greater issues. 265 00:14:24,540 --> 00:14:27,100 S13: Well that's it. And Terrence Malick is actually a Christian 266 00:14:27,300 --> 00:14:29,900 S13: and he. But he doesn't knock you over the head 267 00:14:29,900 --> 00:14:33,300 S13: with it. He brings up the issues because film is 268 00:14:33,300 --> 00:14:37,660 S13: not meant to preach. Film is meant to deepen the mystery. 269 00:14:37,860 --> 00:14:40,740 S13: You're supposed to go in and have the story touch 270 00:14:40,740 --> 00:14:43,070 S13: your heart, and then you've got to sort it out 271 00:14:43,070 --> 00:14:45,830 S13: and you've got to come to conclusions. And if they're 272 00:14:45,830 --> 00:14:48,870 S13: good stories, even if they're not Christians behind it, if 273 00:14:48,870 --> 00:14:52,430 S13: they are good stories, they will ultimately lead you to God. 274 00:14:52,470 --> 00:14:55,430 S13: It's just fascinating. There was a movie this year. I 275 00:14:55,430 --> 00:14:57,830 S13: don't know whether you saw it. It was, um, the 276 00:14:57,830 --> 00:15:02,790 S13: next Knives Out movie that was directed by Ryan Johnson. Um. Oh. 277 00:15:02,950 --> 00:15:06,430 S13: How do I lose it? Men. Good men. Wake, wake. 278 00:15:06,430 --> 00:15:08,590 S13: Wake up! Ah! I can't believe. 279 00:15:08,590 --> 00:15:11,430 S1: It. I think Daniel Craig and the third in the series. Right. 280 00:15:11,430 --> 00:15:14,190 S13: That's it. Thank you so much. Yes. There you go. Oh! 281 00:15:14,230 --> 00:15:19,110 S13: My brain. Um. Uh, it is. The director, Ryan Johnson, 282 00:15:19,110 --> 00:15:22,430 S13: came from a Christian home and was growing up with 283 00:15:22,430 --> 00:15:25,390 S13: the Lord. And then his father left the house, had 284 00:15:25,390 --> 00:15:30,310 S13: an affair, destroyed Ryan's heart, and he walked away from faith. 285 00:15:30,630 --> 00:15:33,470 S13: And now he's starting to question the things that he 286 00:15:33,470 --> 00:15:37,110 S13: learned as a child. And that movie is full of 287 00:15:37,110 --> 00:15:41,550 S13: spiritual truths and incredible questions to lead you to God. 288 00:15:41,590 --> 00:15:46,190 S13: It's just amazing. And so the journey of the filmmakers 289 00:15:46,230 --> 00:15:49,350 S13: are what we go on. And because God has created 290 00:15:49,350 --> 00:15:52,310 S13: us with that God shaped hole, we're going to find 291 00:15:52,310 --> 00:15:55,390 S13: more truth in films than we actually notice if we're 292 00:15:55,390 --> 00:15:56,310 S13: not paying attention. 293 00:15:56,350 --> 00:15:59,110 S1: Exactly. Let me linger on this third iteration of the 294 00:15:59,110 --> 00:16:02,150 S1: Knives Out series, because, you know, you often when you go, 295 00:16:02,190 --> 00:16:03,870 S1: you kind of brace yourself and you go, uh, oh, 296 00:16:04,110 --> 00:16:06,230 S1: here's the quote, religious figure. This is going to be 297 00:16:06,230 --> 00:16:08,110 S1: the blow up clown. The punches are going to fly. 298 00:16:08,150 --> 00:16:10,590 S1: Brace yourself. And as the movie went on, I thought 299 00:16:10,590 --> 00:16:12,830 S1: to myself, wait a minute. His hands off of this 300 00:16:12,830 --> 00:16:15,710 S1: particular character who was the the priest in the story 301 00:16:15,910 --> 00:16:18,510 S1: and the questions that he asked were deep. They were 302 00:16:18,510 --> 00:16:21,470 S1: they were thoughtful, they were penetrating. And he was a 303 00:16:21,510 --> 00:16:24,030 S1: character who was the most redeeming out of all of 304 00:16:24,030 --> 00:16:26,190 S1: the other characters. And when it was done, I thought 305 00:16:26,390 --> 00:16:28,750 S1: there was a message within the message of that film. 306 00:16:28,750 --> 00:16:31,990 S1: And it was interesting because it's always the shadow of 307 00:16:31,990 --> 00:16:34,310 S1: God in so many parts of work, or so many 308 00:16:34,310 --> 00:16:37,190 S1: novels or so many movies, if you're paying attention, either 309 00:16:37,190 --> 00:16:39,070 S1: they have the answer and they want to share it 310 00:16:39,070 --> 00:16:41,190 S1: in a creative way, or they're looking for the answer 311 00:16:41,190 --> 00:16:44,070 S1: to the question they're positing in the film, book, or art. 312 00:16:44,070 --> 00:16:46,990 S1: And I watch it because it leads to more questions 313 00:16:46,990 --> 00:16:48,790 S1: for other people who likewise are questioning. 314 00:16:49,310 --> 00:16:51,750 S13: Oh, it does, and that's in film, by the way. 315 00:16:51,750 --> 00:16:55,150 S13: It's wake up dead man. That's what it is. But oh, 316 00:16:55,190 --> 00:16:58,190 S13: I feel better. But that's not only in films and 317 00:16:58,190 --> 00:17:00,910 S13: TV shows, but you stare at a piece of artwork. 318 00:17:00,910 --> 00:17:03,190 S13: I was just at the Getty Museum in LA a 319 00:17:03,190 --> 00:17:06,830 S13: couple of weeks ago, staring at the Impressionist paintings. There's 320 00:17:06,830 --> 00:17:10,510 S13: God all over them. They're searching to capture the beauty 321 00:17:10,510 --> 00:17:12,950 S13: of the world in their painting, and you just see 322 00:17:12,950 --> 00:17:15,709 S13: it in any art form. It's really amazing. 323 00:17:15,750 --> 00:17:19,390 S1: Yeah it is. Well, again, I love what Francis Schafer's wife, 324 00:17:19,430 --> 00:17:22,270 S1: Edith Schafer, wrote about art and how it says so 325 00:17:22,270 --> 00:17:24,429 S1: much about God. It says so much about the one 326 00:17:24,430 --> 00:17:27,190 S1: creating the art. And when a culture or society moves 327 00:17:27,190 --> 00:17:30,070 S1: away from arts, how there's an emptiness in the arts 328 00:17:30,109 --> 00:17:32,389 S1: all together. But the book is called hidden Art. If 329 00:17:32,390 --> 00:17:34,869 S1: you're interested in reading and doing some deeper dive, read 330 00:17:34,869 --> 00:17:37,750 S1: either Schafer's book on this topic. It's fabulous. Karen Cavell 331 00:17:37,750 --> 00:17:39,879 S1: is with us, founding director of the Hollywood Prayer Network. 332 00:17:39,880 --> 00:17:41,520 S1: We've got more time, and I'm glad because I got 333 00:17:41,520 --> 00:17:49,960 S1: a boatload more questions right after this. We're visiting with 334 00:17:49,960 --> 00:17:52,399 S1: Karen Cavell of the Hollywood Prayer Network. By the way, 335 00:17:52,800 --> 00:17:55,320 S1: this is a global effort to pray for those in 336 00:17:55,320 --> 00:17:57,879 S1: the entertainment industry because Karen's spot on. I love our 337 00:17:57,880 --> 00:18:00,320 S1: time together because we represent sort of both ends of 338 00:18:00,320 --> 00:18:03,040 S1: the spectrum. You think being here in Washington, D.C., these 339 00:18:03,040 --> 00:18:06,480 S1: are the great influencers? Na George Barna nailed it. He said. 340 00:18:06,480 --> 00:18:08,800 S1: We get more of our value Saturday night at the 341 00:18:08,800 --> 00:18:10,960 S1: Cineplex than we do from the pulpit on Sunday morning. 342 00:18:10,960 --> 00:18:13,919 S1: And he's absolutely right. So the greatest group of influencers 343 00:18:13,960 --> 00:18:16,240 S1: is the mission field where Karen serves. And you don't 344 00:18:16,240 --> 00:18:18,600 S1: have to be in Hollywood to be serving there because 345 00:18:18,600 --> 00:18:21,960 S1: people are praying for these entertainment industry around the globe. 346 00:18:21,960 --> 00:18:23,600 S1: If you're interested in the arts, you need to be 347 00:18:23,600 --> 00:18:25,520 S1: a part of this. If you watch movies, if you 348 00:18:25,560 --> 00:18:27,720 S1: consume the arts, you need to be a part of this. 349 00:18:27,720 --> 00:18:29,240 S1: So I've got a link on my website for you 350 00:18:29,240 --> 00:18:30,919 S1: to be able to sign up and get their bi 351 00:18:30,920 --> 00:18:37,000 S1: monthly newsletters, Hollywood prayer network.org, Hollywood prayer network.org. I'm so 352 00:18:37,000 --> 00:18:40,200 S1: glad that you included the marshals. You talk about having 353 00:18:40,200 --> 00:18:44,200 S1: writing chops. What is it about? Taylor. Sheridan. I don't 354 00:18:44,200 --> 00:18:46,959 S1: care what he's writing, whether it's the Lord or the 355 00:18:46,960 --> 00:18:52,000 S1: Mayor of Kingstown or Tulsa Kings or Yellowstone or the Madison, 356 00:18:52,000 --> 00:18:55,359 S1: which is now running on a social media platform, he. 357 00:18:55,440 --> 00:18:58,200 S1: Every one of his stories are riveting. And what I've discovered, 358 00:18:58,200 --> 00:19:02,040 S1: no matter what the the film theme is, it always 359 00:19:02,040 --> 00:19:04,960 S1: rotates around family and I think that's why I've discovered 360 00:19:04,960 --> 00:19:07,919 S1: why I like his writing so much. Because they're ultimately 361 00:19:07,920 --> 00:19:10,879 S1: family stories. They can be King Lear kind of family stories, 362 00:19:11,080 --> 00:19:13,159 S1: or they could be Godfather kind of family stories, but 363 00:19:13,160 --> 00:19:15,200 S1: they're always family stories, are they not? 364 00:19:15,600 --> 00:19:18,040 S13: Oh, it is so true. And not only like what 365 00:19:18,040 --> 00:19:22,520 S13: we were talking about before, is Taylor an extraordinary storyteller, 366 00:19:22,760 --> 00:19:26,040 S13: but he brings together all of the elements that make 367 00:19:26,080 --> 00:19:30,560 S13: us just saw. That's family. It's personal relationships. It's struggling 368 00:19:30,560 --> 00:19:34,960 S13: with life, with integrity. It's people who who really know 369 00:19:35,090 --> 00:19:37,730 S13: evil and good, and they have to make a choice. 370 00:19:37,730 --> 00:19:40,409 S13: And it's all of the it's all of the biblical 371 00:19:40,410 --> 00:19:44,690 S13: themes that we find. But it's in a wonderful, entertaining 372 00:19:44,730 --> 00:19:47,210 S13: television series. And he does it over and over again. 373 00:19:47,250 --> 00:19:48,770 S13: You're so right. Wow. 374 00:19:48,930 --> 00:19:51,050 S1: Well, to that end, you included in one of the 375 00:19:51,090 --> 00:19:54,450 S1: bi monthly newsletters that CBS has picked up marshals now 376 00:19:54,450 --> 00:19:58,610 S1: for a second season, and that that viewership was astronomical. 377 00:19:58,609 --> 00:19:59,770 S1: Why do you think that is? 378 00:20:00,210 --> 00:20:02,850 S13: Because of the great stories. People know they're going to 379 00:20:02,850 --> 00:20:05,730 S13: find something. First of all, they're comfortable with watching. And 380 00:20:05,730 --> 00:20:07,850 S13: second of all, it's going to grab them in the heart. 381 00:20:07,850 --> 00:20:12,650 S13: And this was unprecedented. They literally got over 20 million 382 00:20:12,650 --> 00:20:16,310 S13: views on the first day, the first seven days, 20 383 00:20:16,310 --> 00:20:19,850 S13: million views. That's unheard of on television these days. So 384 00:20:19,890 --> 00:20:22,490 S13: we know he knows how to touch the heart of people. 385 00:20:22,490 --> 00:20:23,690 S13: And that's a gift. 386 00:20:23,730 --> 00:20:27,050 S1: Yeah, absolutely a gift. Well, speaking of Taylor Sheridan, it's 387 00:20:27,050 --> 00:20:29,610 S1: interesting because it's a smooth segue to the next thing 388 00:20:29,609 --> 00:20:33,770 S1: I want to cover because Taylor was inexorably connected to Paramount+. 389 00:20:33,810 --> 00:20:37,010 S1: Uh oh, That takes us to Paramount's purchase of Warner Bros. 390 00:20:37,410 --> 00:20:39,010 S1: And whether or not that's going to go ahead. You 391 00:20:39,010 --> 00:20:41,010 S1: and I have talked multiple times. I'm in the camp 392 00:20:41,010 --> 00:20:42,929 S1: that says, I think this is a monopoly issue. I 393 00:20:42,930 --> 00:20:45,609 S1: think this is an antitrust issue. I don't think you 394 00:20:45,609 --> 00:20:47,730 S1: want a behemoth. I think it needs to be broken 395 00:20:47,730 --> 00:20:50,250 S1: up and challenged. And we need competition's a good thing, 396 00:20:50,290 --> 00:20:52,970 S1: you know. But what I find interesting is the Teamsters 397 00:20:52,970 --> 00:20:55,650 S1: have now stepped into this. What an unlikely player. Talk 398 00:20:55,650 --> 00:20:56,530 S1: to me about this. 399 00:20:56,890 --> 00:20:59,410 S13: Oh, was that a surprise? They are mad because there 400 00:20:59,450 --> 00:21:02,290 S13: are too many lost jobs in our industry. Our city 401 00:21:02,290 --> 00:21:05,850 S13: is dying. People are trapped. There are so many people moving. 402 00:21:05,890 --> 00:21:08,730 S13: Do you know during Covid they ran out of U-Haul trucks? 403 00:21:08,970 --> 00:21:13,370 S13: It's that bad. So we, we, the Teamsters stepped up 404 00:21:13,369 --> 00:21:15,490 S13: and said, okay, what this is going to do is 405 00:21:15,490 --> 00:21:18,850 S13: as you merge two studios, you're going to lose half 406 00:21:18,850 --> 00:21:22,650 S13: the employees. We can't do that. You cannot just get 407 00:21:22,650 --> 00:21:24,970 S13: rid of people because you've got a big corporate move. 408 00:21:25,250 --> 00:21:27,410 S13: And so they're in there fighting. And it's the first 409 00:21:27,410 --> 00:21:29,810 S13: time I am all for the Teamsters. 410 00:21:30,770 --> 00:21:32,609 S1: Well, if I were to ask you to look into 411 00:21:32,609 --> 00:21:34,540 S1: your crystal ball. What do you think's going to happen? 412 00:21:34,540 --> 00:21:37,820 S1: Do you think that there'll be enough lawsuits that they'll say, sorry, 413 00:21:37,859 --> 00:21:40,900 S1: you know, you can't be this big. You eliminate competition 414 00:21:40,900 --> 00:21:41,699 S1: when you do that. 415 00:21:42,060 --> 00:21:44,179 S13: Well, I don't know what I'm talking about, but I'm 416 00:21:44,220 --> 00:21:47,379 S13: guessing that they might take part of it and break 417 00:21:47,380 --> 00:21:49,660 S13: it down because, you know, there are so many different 418 00:21:49,660 --> 00:21:54,020 S13: companies and divisions within the huge studio that it may 419 00:21:54,060 --> 00:21:56,340 S13: be that they have to break it down, but I 420 00:21:56,380 --> 00:21:58,460 S13: don't know how they're going to get this through as 421 00:21:58,460 --> 00:22:01,899 S13: it is right now, because it's screaming monopoly to me. 422 00:22:01,900 --> 00:22:05,780 S13: I don't understand it. So I think they're going to 423 00:22:05,780 --> 00:22:08,140 S13: try something. They're going to figure out something. But I 424 00:22:08,140 --> 00:22:10,020 S13: don't know if it's going to be everything. I think 425 00:22:10,020 --> 00:22:11,580 S13: it might be certain divisions. 426 00:22:11,780 --> 00:22:14,340 S1: Karen, have you ever thought I remember in Washington, it 427 00:22:14,340 --> 00:22:16,180 S1: was a big debate a long time ago where there 428 00:22:16,180 --> 00:22:19,700 S1: was conversation about a la carte on television. Right. And 429 00:22:19,980 --> 00:22:22,340 S1: a lot of people and I was one of them said, no, no, no, no. 430 00:22:22,340 --> 00:22:24,740 S1: We oppose the idea that it was, again, for the 431 00:22:24,740 --> 00:22:26,699 S1: same idea for competition. You want it as broad a 432 00:22:26,700 --> 00:22:29,659 S1: spectrum as possible. I literally turned on my television the 433 00:22:29,660 --> 00:22:31,500 S1: other day and all the apps popped up, and I thought, 434 00:22:31,580 --> 00:22:34,140 S1: you're looking at a la carte. Every one of these 435 00:22:34,140 --> 00:22:37,060 S1: streaming platforms that you've chosen to subscribe to, which cost 436 00:22:37,100 --> 00:22:39,660 S1: you money, by the way. You have picked and chosen 437 00:22:39,660 --> 00:22:43,420 S1: what you wanted. It is the very futuristic iteration of 438 00:22:43,420 --> 00:22:44,820 S1: a la carte that we didn't think was going to 439 00:22:44,820 --> 00:22:46,780 S1: be there 30 years ago. Is it good or bad 440 00:22:46,780 --> 00:22:48,419 S1: for the industry and what is it doing? I mean, 441 00:22:48,460 --> 00:22:50,540 S1: are we going to see not unlike the challenges to 442 00:22:50,580 --> 00:22:52,540 S1: the brick and mortar movie houses, but are we going 443 00:22:52,540 --> 00:22:56,260 S1: to see challenges to the networks as well? Or more importantly, 444 00:22:56,260 --> 00:22:58,580 S1: is it interesting that almost every network has a streaming 445 00:22:58,580 --> 00:22:59,780 S1: platform iteration? 446 00:23:00,380 --> 00:23:02,859 S13: Well, they actually have to because less and less people 447 00:23:02,859 --> 00:23:06,940 S13: are watching network television. It's become the least watched platform 448 00:23:06,940 --> 00:23:10,980 S13: of everything. Most people, honestly, at this point are watching YouTube. 449 00:23:11,260 --> 00:23:15,020 S13: It's crazy. I know a friend, Phil Rosenthal, who was 450 00:23:15,020 --> 00:23:19,180 S13: the executive producer of Everybody Loves Raymond, realized that he 451 00:23:19,180 --> 00:23:22,260 S13: can't do another network television show because not enough people watch. 452 00:23:22,380 --> 00:23:25,780 S13: So he started his own show, Somebody Feed Phil, and 453 00:23:25,780 --> 00:23:28,020 S13: they put it on streaming platforms. 454 00:23:29,100 --> 00:23:30,140 S1: It's a great show. 455 00:23:30,619 --> 00:23:33,620 S13: It's a great show. Oh my gosh. It's because it's 456 00:23:33,619 --> 00:23:37,820 S13: about people, places and food. What? What better is there? 457 00:23:37,859 --> 00:23:40,980 S13: You know. Exactly. So but then here's what's just interesting 458 00:23:40,980 --> 00:23:44,020 S13: that happened. Netflix. He got they got it on Netflix. 459 00:23:44,020 --> 00:23:46,500 S13: They just dropped it. So you know what he's doing. 460 00:23:46,500 --> 00:23:49,899 S13: He's cutting it into shorter segments. And they made a 461 00:23:49,900 --> 00:23:54,100 S13: deal with YouTube. So what's happening is that people are 462 00:23:54,100 --> 00:23:58,180 S13: finding that in the short term, it's worse for all 463 00:23:58,180 --> 00:24:01,020 S13: these different platforms in the long term. I think what 464 00:24:01,020 --> 00:24:03,980 S13: they're going to learn is what people are watching, what 465 00:24:04,180 --> 00:24:07,060 S13: and what they're not watching, because really, every platform is 466 00:24:07,060 --> 00:24:09,100 S13: a different personality and you have to pay for it, 467 00:24:09,100 --> 00:24:12,140 S13: as you said. So we're going to learn overall what 468 00:24:12,140 --> 00:24:15,300 S13: people really want. And I'm rooting for people to find 469 00:24:15,300 --> 00:24:19,179 S13: the cleaner, more family friendly, more entertaining good stories. 470 00:24:19,220 --> 00:24:22,660 S1: Me too. Absolutely wonders. A perfect example of that. Angel 471 00:24:22,700 --> 00:24:25,619 S1: puts those kinds of stories out. Lots of options out there. Karen, 472 00:24:25,660 --> 00:24:27,580 S1: the time goes far too quickly. Let me take the 473 00:24:27,580 --> 00:24:30,190 S1: last moments to get people to become a part of 474 00:24:30,190 --> 00:24:32,750 S1: this global prayer movement. Just go to Hollywood prayer network 475 00:24:32,750 --> 00:24:35,030 S1: dot o r g. Sign up. Say you want to 476 00:24:35,030 --> 00:24:36,949 S1: be praying regularly, and you can get the kinds of 477 00:24:36,950 --> 00:24:39,189 S1: conversations that Karen and I just had on a bi 478 00:24:39,230 --> 00:24:42,590 S1: monthly basis. They're fabulous. Thank you. Karen. Back after this friends. 479 00:24:58,430 --> 00:25:00,670 S1: We can all safely say that society seems to be 480 00:25:00,670 --> 00:25:03,510 S1: decaying before our eyes and in the market, we're tackling 481 00:25:03,510 --> 00:25:06,230 S1: the issues head on from a biblical perspective, so you'll 482 00:25:06,230 --> 00:25:09,470 S1: know how to influence and occupy a Scripture says become 483 00:25:09,470 --> 00:25:11,910 S1: a partial partner today and support in the market as 484 00:25:11,910 --> 00:25:15,350 S1: a benefit. You'll receive exclusive resources every week prepared just 485 00:25:15,350 --> 00:25:19,710 S1: for you. Call 877 Janet 58 or go online to 486 00:25:19,750 --> 00:25:22,390 S1: in the market with Janet. Partial dot o r g. 487 00:25:29,430 --> 00:25:31,710 S1: So this is a perfect segue. We were talking with 488 00:25:31,750 --> 00:25:34,230 S1: Karen Cavell, who is the founding director of the Hollywood 489 00:25:34,230 --> 00:25:37,469 S1: Prayer Network, teaching us how to pray specifically for the 490 00:25:37,470 --> 00:25:40,270 S1: entertainment industry. So as long as you have that prayer 491 00:25:40,310 --> 00:25:42,630 S1: list out, we're going to link it now because we 492 00:25:42,630 --> 00:25:46,270 S1: love our regular visits with a very special person, Todd Nettleton. 493 00:25:46,510 --> 00:25:48,869 S1: He's with voice of the martyrs. He travels the world. 494 00:25:48,869 --> 00:25:52,109 S1: He becomes an ambassador for Christ, an ambassador for Vom, 495 00:25:52,350 --> 00:25:55,350 S1: but he's also an eye witness. And there's nothing more powerful. 496 00:25:55,350 --> 00:25:57,710 S1: I give you the Gospels. He sees what's going on 497 00:25:57,710 --> 00:26:00,429 S1: with the persecuted church, comes back, shares it with us 498 00:26:00,430 --> 00:26:02,670 S1: so that we, the church here in the West, can 499 00:26:02,670 --> 00:26:05,590 S1: be quickened to what's going on to our brothers and sisters. 500 00:26:05,590 --> 00:26:08,030 S1: And we can learn several things how to persevere, how 501 00:26:08,030 --> 00:26:10,909 S1: to understand suffering in a context like we can't comprehend 502 00:26:10,910 --> 00:26:14,470 S1: here in the West, how we can truly, preciously guard 503 00:26:14,470 --> 00:26:17,470 S1: and protect and be grateful for the liberties we have 504 00:26:17,470 --> 00:26:20,070 S1: in this country. And not only that, but Todd has 505 00:26:20,070 --> 00:26:21,669 S1: taught me years ago that when one part of the 506 00:26:21,670 --> 00:26:23,350 S1: body hurts, we all hurt, and we're to pray for 507 00:26:23,350 --> 00:26:26,229 S1: those who have been led away in chains, which is 508 00:26:26,230 --> 00:26:28,880 S1: a perfect picture of the persecuted church. Well, I'm always 509 00:26:28,880 --> 00:26:30,640 S1: happy when I get to talk to Todd, but I'm 510 00:26:30,640 --> 00:26:34,360 S1: also keenly aware that I slip in between his trips 511 00:26:34,359 --> 00:26:37,520 S1: because he's trotting the globe all the time. He's literally 512 00:26:37,520 --> 00:26:39,320 S1: just unpacked. I don't even know if he's gotten caught 513 00:26:39,320 --> 00:26:42,000 S1: up on the laundry yet, but he's literally just unpacked, 514 00:26:42,000 --> 00:26:44,720 S1: coming back from Southeast Asia, and that's where we're going 515 00:26:44,720 --> 00:26:46,760 S1: to start our conversation. First of all, thank you, Lord, 516 00:26:46,760 --> 00:26:49,720 S1: for bringing Todd and Shah home safe and sound. And 517 00:26:49,720 --> 00:26:52,080 S1: I can't wait because out of the overflow of the heart, 518 00:26:52,080 --> 00:26:54,320 S1: the mouth speaks. And when you come back, Todd, you're 519 00:26:54,320 --> 00:26:56,560 S1: just filled to overflowing of what you've heard and what 520 00:26:56,560 --> 00:26:59,080 S1: you've seen. And so talk about the fact that there 521 00:26:59,080 --> 00:27:01,480 S1: was a group there that said, we're committed to sharing 522 00:27:01,480 --> 00:27:04,600 S1: the gospel with five people per day. There are people 523 00:27:04,600 --> 00:27:06,919 S1: within the sound of our voices who won't share the 524 00:27:06,960 --> 00:27:10,480 S1: gospel with five people in one year, let alone one day. 525 00:27:10,480 --> 00:27:11,639 S1: So talk to me about this. 526 00:27:12,040 --> 00:27:14,400 S14: Yeah, this. You know, every time I come back from 527 00:27:14,400 --> 00:27:16,680 S14: a trip, there are stories that I carry with me. 528 00:27:16,680 --> 00:27:19,600 S14: And I think from this trip, it is this group 529 00:27:19,600 --> 00:27:23,040 S14: of young people that we met with. We asked them, hey, 530 00:27:23,280 --> 00:27:25,160 S14: you know, where should we gather? Where would you like 531 00:27:25,240 --> 00:27:28,400 S14: to to meet? And they said, how about Starbucks? And 532 00:27:28,520 --> 00:27:30,920 S14: I was like, okay, I like Starbucks. But I was 533 00:27:30,920 --> 00:27:34,000 S14: also like, hey, that's kind of public, isn't it? Like, 534 00:27:34,280 --> 00:27:36,719 S14: doesn't that worry you a little bit? And they're like, nope, 535 00:27:36,720 --> 00:27:41,080 S14: we're not worried. And they are young people, some of 536 00:27:41,080 --> 00:27:44,600 S14: them 19 years old, 20 years old. The oldest one 537 00:27:44,600 --> 00:27:48,159 S14: among them was 32. And they have committed to share 538 00:27:48,160 --> 00:27:51,720 S14: Christ with five people every single day. And they literally 539 00:27:51,720 --> 00:27:54,760 S14: they have an accountability time every Sunday evening where they 540 00:27:54,760 --> 00:27:57,520 S14: have an accountability partner that says, okay, how'd you do? 541 00:27:57,760 --> 00:28:00,040 S14: How'd you do the last week? Did you hit your goals? 542 00:28:00,040 --> 00:28:03,040 S14: Did you hit five people a day? They have training 543 00:28:03,040 --> 00:28:06,600 S14: every single week. And the exciting thing for us is 544 00:28:06,600 --> 00:28:09,680 S14: that they are now going outside of their home country, 545 00:28:09,960 --> 00:28:12,280 S14: and they're committing to do this in other countries, some 546 00:28:12,280 --> 00:28:16,120 S14: of the surrounding nations. Now, that means persecution. In fact, 547 00:28:16,160 --> 00:28:18,880 S14: three of the young ladies that we talked to had 548 00:28:18,880 --> 00:28:22,199 S14: been detained in another country. They had been taken to 549 00:28:22,240 --> 00:28:25,130 S14: the Ministry of Religion. They had been interrogated for two 550 00:28:25,170 --> 00:28:28,170 S14: solid days. Then they were put in a car and 551 00:28:28,170 --> 00:28:31,570 S14: they thought, we're going to jail. Instead, they were taken 552 00:28:31,570 --> 00:28:33,810 S14: to the airport. They were put on an airplane and told, 553 00:28:33,810 --> 00:28:37,609 S14: don't come back for at least five years. And, you know, 554 00:28:37,650 --> 00:28:39,610 S14: at one point in the conversation, they're telling me about 555 00:28:39,610 --> 00:28:41,690 S14: this program and they're getting this training and they have 556 00:28:41,690 --> 00:28:44,410 S14: this accountability, and they've made this commitment. And I'm, I'm 557 00:28:44,450 --> 00:28:46,810 S14: kind of thinking like, this must be like a six 558 00:28:46,810 --> 00:28:50,010 S14: month program, maybe a year. I said, how, how long 559 00:28:50,010 --> 00:28:52,730 S14: is this? Like, how long are you committed to doing this? 560 00:28:53,090 --> 00:28:55,090 S14: And one of them looked me right in the eye 561 00:28:55,090 --> 00:28:57,770 S14: and she just said, until we die. 562 00:28:58,090 --> 00:28:58,490 S1: Wow. 563 00:28:58,530 --> 00:29:01,450 S14: Like this is our life. This is what God has 564 00:29:01,450 --> 00:29:05,290 S14: called us to do. And I was absolutely blown away. 565 00:29:05,290 --> 00:29:08,130 S14: Those those three young ladies that have been banned from 566 00:29:08,130 --> 00:29:11,370 S14: this country for five years. They said they are literally 567 00:29:11,370 --> 00:29:14,730 S14: counting down the days until their five years is up, 568 00:29:15,010 --> 00:29:17,410 S14: so that they can go back to that country and 569 00:29:17,410 --> 00:29:21,690 S14: risk being arrested again for sharing the gospel of Jesus Christ. 570 00:29:21,730 --> 00:29:24,650 S1: Wow. And we should point out we're not seeing countries 571 00:29:24,650 --> 00:29:28,810 S1: on purpose, but these are predominantly Muslim and Hindu dominated countries. Correct? 572 00:29:29,130 --> 00:29:31,690 S14: They are. And some of them, they actually one of 573 00:29:31,690 --> 00:29:34,050 S14: the countries they mentioned was actually Hong Kong. They are 574 00:29:34,050 --> 00:29:36,489 S14: sending missionaries to Hong Kong to go and share the 575 00:29:36,530 --> 00:29:40,450 S14: gospel there as well. So that's a close now owned 576 00:29:40,450 --> 00:29:45,810 S14: by China, closed country as well. They are completely unintimidated. 577 00:29:45,810 --> 00:29:50,490 S14: And again, these are 19, 20, 21 year olds. Um, 578 00:29:50,530 --> 00:29:52,530 S14: who could walk by you in a mall and you 579 00:29:52,530 --> 00:29:56,130 S14: would not bat an eye. And they are these amazing, 580 00:29:56,130 --> 00:29:58,970 S14: bold witnesses for Christ. And, you know, one of the 581 00:29:58,970 --> 00:30:01,130 S14: things they shared, it was interesting as they are now 582 00:30:01,130 --> 00:30:06,130 S14: going to these outside countries, they are also sharing intelligence 583 00:30:06,130 --> 00:30:09,730 S14: among their group of like, well, this group that got detained. Well, 584 00:30:09,770 --> 00:30:11,610 S14: where did they stay? We don't want to stay at 585 00:30:11,610 --> 00:30:14,890 S14: that hotel. What were they doing that drew the attention? Okay, 586 00:30:15,050 --> 00:30:18,370 S14: how can we learn from their experiences so that the 587 00:30:18,370 --> 00:30:21,290 S14: next group that goes to that country, maybe they don't 588 00:30:21,290 --> 00:30:23,690 S14: get arrested until, you know, they've been there a couple 589 00:30:23,690 --> 00:30:26,930 S14: of weeks instead of getting arrested early on. How do 590 00:30:26,930 --> 00:30:30,290 S14: we learn from each other and encourage each other? It 591 00:30:30,330 --> 00:30:34,090 S14: is just it's so intentional and so structured and they 592 00:30:34,130 --> 00:30:38,090 S14: are so committed. I was absolutely blown away. And like 593 00:30:38,090 --> 00:30:42,210 S14: I say, I left that Starbucks thinking, wow, the future 594 00:30:42,210 --> 00:30:44,810 S14: is bright for the gospel. If we have young people 595 00:30:44,810 --> 00:30:48,130 S14: who are saying, I'm committed to share the gospel with 596 00:30:48,130 --> 00:30:51,810 S14: five people every day until I die. Wow, that's going 597 00:30:51,850 --> 00:30:53,090 S14: to change the world. 598 00:30:53,130 --> 00:30:56,450 S1: Yeah. Oh, wow. Again, for you personally. I mean, I 599 00:30:56,450 --> 00:30:58,170 S1: know this is the work that God has called you to, 600 00:30:58,210 --> 00:31:00,970 S1: but to be able to see and hear these frontline 601 00:31:00,970 --> 00:31:04,490 S1: stories must build you up in the faith so very much. 602 00:31:04,690 --> 00:31:08,690 S1: It also, I would presume, cause a lot of internal conversations. 603 00:31:08,850 --> 00:31:11,090 S1: Would I have the faith? Could I be brave enough? 604 00:31:11,090 --> 00:31:13,890 S1: Would I be brave enough knowing that I'm counting the 605 00:31:13,890 --> 00:31:15,850 S1: days until I can walk back into a country that 606 00:31:15,850 --> 00:31:18,050 S1: will probably arrest me on the spot? AM I really 607 00:31:18,050 --> 00:31:20,820 S1: committed to doing this until I die. I mean, you're 608 00:31:20,820 --> 00:31:23,020 S1: not reading this in the Gospels. You're looking at brother 609 00:31:23,020 --> 00:31:25,860 S1: or sister in the face who's living this story and 610 00:31:25,860 --> 00:31:28,180 S1: telling you what they're planning on doing, I don't know. 611 00:31:28,220 --> 00:31:31,180 S1: For me, it would be so personally convicting to talking 612 00:31:31,180 --> 00:31:33,580 S1: to these people. And I'd be asking a lot, could 613 00:31:33,580 --> 00:31:36,060 S1: I do those kinds of questions? Did I have the faith? 614 00:31:36,060 --> 00:31:37,860 S1: Do I have the endurance? Do I have the the 615 00:31:37,900 --> 00:31:39,940 S1: bold courage to be able to do this? Does it 616 00:31:39,940 --> 00:31:40,700 S1: do that to you? 617 00:31:41,500 --> 00:31:46,780 S14: I found that conversation incredibly convicting. Um, because I, I 618 00:31:46,900 --> 00:31:50,740 S14: don't consider myself a gifted evangelist. And I, you know, 619 00:31:50,780 --> 00:31:54,979 S14: sometimes I shy away from those conversations, even, even the conversation. Oh, 620 00:31:55,020 --> 00:31:56,940 S14: so what do you do for a living? Well, I 621 00:31:56,940 --> 00:32:00,260 S14: go and talk to persecuted Christians that that opens an 622 00:32:00,260 --> 00:32:03,340 S14: interesting door and conversation. And sometimes it's like, okay, do 623 00:32:03,380 --> 00:32:06,980 S14: do I want to open that door? I was so convicted. 624 00:32:07,260 --> 00:32:10,580 S14: The other thing is like, as a dad and now 625 00:32:10,580 --> 00:32:12,740 S14: as a grandpa, I'm looking at these young people and 626 00:32:12,740 --> 00:32:16,100 S14: I'm like, like, do you know what you're getting yourself into? 627 00:32:16,100 --> 00:32:19,380 S14: Do you know how risky this is? And almost wanting 628 00:32:19,380 --> 00:32:22,060 S14: to say like, hey, hey, slow down, let's think about this. 629 00:32:22,380 --> 00:32:25,580 S14: But just so encouraged and, and like I say, so 630 00:32:25,580 --> 00:32:29,300 S14: convicted by their boldness. And, and the idea that this 631 00:32:29,300 --> 00:32:34,140 S14: is a lifestyle that they've committed to. And. Surely I could, 632 00:32:34,260 --> 00:32:38,340 S14: I could open the door conversationally when someone is, is. 633 00:32:38,380 --> 00:32:42,700 S14: Kind of asking about spiritual things. Boy, let's, let's boldly 634 00:32:42,700 --> 00:32:46,219 S14: open that door and let's talk about the gospel. And, 635 00:32:46,380 --> 00:32:49,300 S14: you know, my translator is interesting because we were having 636 00:32:49,300 --> 00:32:52,460 S14: this conversation. Some of them spoke a fair amount of English, 637 00:32:52,460 --> 00:32:54,180 S14: but some not at all. And so we were having 638 00:32:54,180 --> 00:32:58,540 S14: this conversation through our translator, and he asked one of 639 00:32:58,540 --> 00:33:01,460 S14: the young ladies, he said, well, so, so like, you know, 640 00:33:01,500 --> 00:33:03,860 S14: show me how you do it. Tell me what you do. 641 00:33:04,260 --> 00:33:07,580 S14: And she just launched into presenting the gospel to him. 642 00:33:07,860 --> 00:33:10,940 S14: And he was kind of blown away by, wow, she's 643 00:33:10,940 --> 00:33:14,700 S14: so bold. She's, she's challenging me. And I thought, boy, 644 00:33:14,980 --> 00:33:18,990 S14: even even the translators being blessed by this conversation. 645 00:33:19,630 --> 00:33:22,750 S1: How marvelous. Talk to me about the couple that met, 646 00:33:22,790 --> 00:33:26,430 S1: not at eHarmony, but because they were both persecuted Christians. 647 00:33:26,430 --> 00:33:27,790 S1: This is an amazing story. 648 00:33:28,190 --> 00:33:30,590 S14: This is an amazing story. In fact, this was kind 649 00:33:30,590 --> 00:33:32,590 S14: of the main reason for our trip. This couple is 650 00:33:32,590 --> 00:33:35,430 S14: going to be featured in one of our magazines later 651 00:33:35,430 --> 00:33:39,830 S14: on this year. They actually met because vom was helping 652 00:33:39,830 --> 00:33:44,030 S14: both of them after they had been persecuted. In her case, 653 00:33:44,030 --> 00:33:46,830 S14: she was kicked out by her own family. They were 654 00:33:46,870 --> 00:33:50,670 S14: kind of isolating her and literally she was starving to death, 655 00:33:50,710 --> 00:33:54,390 S14: like she did not have food. And vom heard about 656 00:33:54,390 --> 00:33:57,110 S14: it and said, hey, how can we get food to her? 657 00:33:57,470 --> 00:34:00,550 S14: A local pastor volunteered and said, okay, I'll go visit 658 00:34:00,550 --> 00:34:03,030 S14: her every week. I'll take a couple bags of groceries 659 00:34:03,030 --> 00:34:05,190 S14: just to make sure that she has enough to eat. 660 00:34:05,550 --> 00:34:09,069 S14: On one of those trips, he took another Christian who 661 00:34:09,070 --> 00:34:13,550 S14: had been persecuted. He was running a food cart, and 662 00:34:13,550 --> 00:34:16,790 S14: he was the only Christian food cart operators and the 663 00:34:16,790 --> 00:34:20,509 S14: others were all Muslims, and they began to conspire against him. 664 00:34:20,550 --> 00:34:23,390 S14: Try to shut down his business. They actually hired somebody 665 00:34:23,390 --> 00:34:27,669 S14: to put a curse on him. And so the pastor said, hey, 666 00:34:27,670 --> 00:34:29,589 S14: why don't you go with me and we'll take food 667 00:34:29,590 --> 00:34:32,310 S14: out to. This lady who's having a really hard time. 668 00:34:32,310 --> 00:34:35,069 S14: And so they jumped in the car and. On the 669 00:34:35,070 --> 00:34:38,310 S14: way home, this other persecuted Christian said, hey, what was 670 00:34:38,310 --> 00:34:42,109 S14: that lady's name? Is she single? And that was sort 671 00:34:42,110 --> 00:34:45,989 S14: of how they met. Launched a romance and now they 672 00:34:46,030 --> 00:34:49,830 S14: are married. They are still living among her family, the 673 00:34:49,870 --> 00:34:53,670 S14: same family that persecuted her lives less than 50 yards 674 00:34:53,670 --> 00:34:56,910 S14: from their front door. And so they are watching them, 675 00:34:56,910 --> 00:35:00,230 S14: they are observing them. And she said over time, some 676 00:35:00,230 --> 00:35:03,070 S14: of her family has softened. And in fact, one family 677 00:35:03,070 --> 00:35:07,310 S14: member has started to really ask some spiritual questions and 678 00:35:07,350 --> 00:35:11,029 S14: is maybe even coming close to accepting Christ. But there 679 00:35:11,030 --> 00:35:13,549 S14: are still family members who are like, nope, we're going 680 00:35:13,590 --> 00:35:15,880 S14: to cut you off. We're going to isolate you. Nobody 681 00:35:15,880 --> 00:35:19,440 S14: should come and visit you. So they're still facing that persecution. 682 00:35:19,440 --> 00:35:22,759 S14: But they're doing it now as a married couple. And 683 00:35:22,760 --> 00:35:25,839 S14: it was so fun. They are newlyweds. They're not newlyweds 684 00:35:25,840 --> 00:35:29,000 S14: in the sort of 25 year old stage. They're more 685 00:35:29,000 --> 00:35:32,120 S14: in their 40s. But the love that they have for 686 00:35:32,120 --> 00:35:34,240 S14: each other was so clear, and it was so fun 687 00:35:34,239 --> 00:35:36,640 S14: to hear their story. And and just to know that 688 00:35:36,640 --> 00:35:39,600 S14: vom played a part in bringing them together. 689 00:35:40,239 --> 00:35:42,600 S1: Well, that's the reason to be listening to the Vom 690 00:35:42,600 --> 00:35:45,319 S1: radio show award winning. Now, we've piqued your interest. You 691 00:35:45,320 --> 00:35:47,399 S1: should be listening on a regular basis. Of course, Todd 692 00:35:47,400 --> 00:35:50,840 S1: Holston does an absolutely fabulous job. Again, we were talking 693 00:35:50,840 --> 00:35:54,400 S1: about the price to be paid. This familial connection or 694 00:35:54,400 --> 00:35:57,960 S1: disconnection when coming to faith in Christ is profoundly repetitive 695 00:35:57,960 --> 00:36:00,239 S1: in so many of the stories. When we come back, Todd, 696 00:36:00,280 --> 00:36:02,520 S1: tell me the story of a woman who by her 697 00:36:02,520 --> 00:36:05,640 S1: own family, ended up getting locked up in her house 698 00:36:05,880 --> 00:36:09,480 S1: after she left Islam and decided to choose Jesus. And 699 00:36:09,480 --> 00:36:12,840 S1: yet God comforted her even in the midst of those circumstances. 700 00:36:12,840 --> 00:36:14,440 S1: And I do want to get an update on what 701 00:36:14,440 --> 00:36:16,719 S1: you're hearing from Christians in Iran. By the way, if 702 00:36:16,719 --> 00:36:19,080 S1: you don't get the monthly newsletter, you're really missing something. 703 00:36:19,080 --> 00:36:25,120 S1: It's free. Vom puts it out. Just go to persecutions.persecution.com. 704 00:36:25,239 --> 00:36:27,680 S1: Sign up for the free monthly newsletter. I've said it before. 705 00:36:27,719 --> 00:36:30,760 S1: There's just something about reading that magazine in your quiet 706 00:36:30,800 --> 00:36:33,760 S1: time that just compels you to pray for the persecuted church. 707 00:36:33,960 --> 00:36:35,640 S1: Do it as a family devotion. Do it in your 708 00:36:35,640 --> 00:36:38,360 S1: small group. Pastors. Do it from the pulpit. The the 709 00:36:38,400 --> 00:36:41,040 S1: persecuted church is us, and we need to be bearing 710 00:36:41,040 --> 00:36:43,000 S1: one another's burdens here. Back after this. 711 00:37:09,080 --> 00:37:12,120 S15: All to Jesus. 712 00:37:12,810 --> 00:37:15,730 S1: We're visiting with Todd Nettleton from voice of the martyrs recently. 713 00:37:15,730 --> 00:37:19,370 S1: Back from yet another trip, this time spending most of 714 00:37:19,410 --> 00:37:22,250 S1: their days in Southeast Asia. I'm going to go right 715 00:37:22,250 --> 00:37:24,410 S1: back to the stories, because there's always so many more 716 00:37:24,410 --> 00:37:27,009 S1: stories than time affords. So this woman comes to faith 717 00:37:27,010 --> 00:37:29,649 S1: in Christ, and yet she's still living at home and 718 00:37:29,650 --> 00:37:32,490 S1: her family literally locks her up. Tell me about this story. 719 00:37:32,969 --> 00:37:35,810 S14: Yeah, this was a story. This was the last day 720 00:37:35,810 --> 00:37:38,489 S14: of our trip. We met this young lady and she 721 00:37:38,489 --> 00:37:41,410 S14: spoke perfect English, which makes my job a lot easier. 722 00:37:41,410 --> 00:37:43,650 S14: I don't I don't have to work through a translator. 723 00:37:43,810 --> 00:37:46,529 S14: And she told us she was away at university. She 724 00:37:46,530 --> 00:37:50,050 S14: was studying, and she got invited to church and she 725 00:37:50,050 --> 00:37:52,770 S14: went and she was quite fascinated. She had grown up 726 00:37:52,770 --> 00:37:55,770 S14: in a very devout Muslim family. She herself had been 727 00:37:55,770 --> 00:38:00,370 S14: very devout in following Islam. But this church fascinated her, 728 00:38:00,370 --> 00:38:03,169 S14: and the people were very loving to her. And she 729 00:38:03,170 --> 00:38:06,250 S14: went back the next week and then another week, and 730 00:38:06,250 --> 00:38:09,170 S14: pretty soon she was a follower of Jesus Christ. Well, 731 00:38:09,650 --> 00:38:13,810 S14: that sort of launched some fireworks within her family, and 732 00:38:13,810 --> 00:38:16,250 S14: they were upset and they were trying to kind of 733 00:38:16,250 --> 00:38:18,009 S14: twist her arm. Hey, you need to come back to 734 00:38:18,050 --> 00:38:21,969 S14: Islam where a Muslim family. And then she decided to 735 00:38:22,010 --> 00:38:25,450 S14: get baptized and her family literally for them, that that 736 00:38:25,450 --> 00:38:29,010 S14: was like a complete deal breaker. They went to her 737 00:38:29,010 --> 00:38:31,969 S14: university town where which was about 4 or 5 hours 738 00:38:31,969 --> 00:38:34,890 S14: away from where they live. They put her in a car, 739 00:38:34,930 --> 00:38:38,089 S14: literally between her two siblings so that she couldn't get 740 00:38:38,090 --> 00:38:40,890 S14: out of the car, and they drove her home and 741 00:38:40,890 --> 00:38:44,090 S14: locked her in the house and said, you are not leaving. 742 00:38:44,210 --> 00:38:47,049 S14: You are certainly not going to get baptized. We have 743 00:38:47,050 --> 00:38:49,330 S14: to figure out what to do with you. And her 744 00:38:49,330 --> 00:38:52,970 S14: dad had had a history of some abuse and she 745 00:38:52,969 --> 00:38:55,689 S14: thought she was going to die. She figured my dad's 746 00:38:55,690 --> 00:38:58,930 S14: going to kill me and she was preparing herself for that. 747 00:38:58,930 --> 00:39:00,609 S14: And she said as they were in the car. So 748 00:39:00,610 --> 00:39:03,290 S14: she's in the back seat between her two siblings. And 749 00:39:03,290 --> 00:39:08,410 S14: she said, I was praying, Lord, are you really with me? Like, 750 00:39:08,450 --> 00:39:11,610 S14: like I've committed a lot to you. Are you really 751 00:39:11,610 --> 00:39:14,489 S14: there for me? And she said almost as soon as 752 00:39:14,489 --> 00:39:16,930 S14: she said that prayer, a truck was coming towards them. 753 00:39:16,930 --> 00:39:19,330 S14: And right across the front of the truck. You'll see 754 00:39:19,330 --> 00:39:21,049 S14: this in a lot of countries around the world. They 755 00:39:21,050 --> 00:39:24,290 S14: paint different slogans. Right across the front of this truck 756 00:39:24,290 --> 00:39:29,250 S14: was the word Emmanuel, God with us. And she knew 757 00:39:29,250 --> 00:39:32,170 S14: in her heart, God is with me even here, even 758 00:39:32,170 --> 00:39:34,930 S14: locked in a car with my family. The Lord opened 759 00:39:34,969 --> 00:39:37,250 S14: the door for her. After she got home, they locked 760 00:39:37,250 --> 00:39:40,530 S14: her up. They took away her phone. They disenrolled her 761 00:39:40,530 --> 00:39:44,610 S14: from university so that she couldn't pursue her degree. But 762 00:39:44,610 --> 00:39:47,250 S14: the Lord worked it out so she could escape. And literally, 763 00:39:47,250 --> 00:39:49,450 S14: she went downstairs as if she was going to get 764 00:39:49,450 --> 00:39:53,169 S14: a snack. She walked out the front door and she ran, 765 00:39:53,570 --> 00:39:57,410 S14: and Christians had arranged a ride for her. They arranged 766 00:39:57,410 --> 00:40:00,569 S14: for her to get a little farther away from her family. 767 00:40:00,969 --> 00:40:04,210 S14: That was just a few months ago. Her family is 768 00:40:04,210 --> 00:40:07,530 S14: still pursuing her. They have involved the police in the investigation. 769 00:40:07,530 --> 00:40:11,339 S14: They have, uh, tried to accuse these Christians of kidnapping 770 00:40:11,340 --> 00:40:15,860 S14: their daughter, taking her away and brainwashing her. And this 771 00:40:15,860 --> 00:40:19,060 S14: young woman is so firm in her faith, like there 772 00:40:19,060 --> 00:40:22,580 S14: is not a hesitation, there is not a second thought. 773 00:40:22,580 --> 00:40:26,580 S14: And she knew, like my family could kill me, but 774 00:40:26,580 --> 00:40:29,940 S14: she still never even thought about the idea of renouncing 775 00:40:29,940 --> 00:40:33,060 S14: Christ and not following him. One of the things she 776 00:40:33,060 --> 00:40:36,100 S14: asked us to pray for is for her family, for 777 00:40:36,100 --> 00:40:39,219 S14: her parents, for her siblings, that they will come to 778 00:40:39,260 --> 00:40:42,779 S14: experience Christ the way she has. Like I say, just 779 00:40:42,780 --> 00:40:46,140 S14: such a bold witness for Christ and she has no 780 00:40:46,140 --> 00:40:48,779 S14: idea what the future holds for her. Is is she 781 00:40:48,820 --> 00:40:51,180 S14: going to be able to finish her college program, or 782 00:40:51,180 --> 00:40:54,580 S14: will her family completely be able to cancel those plans? 783 00:40:54,580 --> 00:40:56,460 S14: Where is she going to live? What's going to happen? 784 00:40:56,460 --> 00:40:58,620 S14: What's she going to do for a job? She doesn't 785 00:40:58,620 --> 00:41:02,220 S14: know any of those answers, but she knows that Jesus 786 00:41:02,260 --> 00:41:04,940 S14: is real and she has committed to following him. 787 00:41:05,420 --> 00:41:09,180 S1: Oh, Amen. These challenges. The stories are so challenging, each 788 00:41:09,180 --> 00:41:10,859 S1: and every one of us and our personal walk with 789 00:41:10,860 --> 00:41:14,100 S1: the Lord. Um, just in deference to time, I'd love 790 00:41:14,100 --> 00:41:16,980 S1: to get from you what your team is telling you 791 00:41:16,980 --> 00:41:19,819 S1: about what Christians are saying in Iran in the midst 792 00:41:19,820 --> 00:41:20,779 S1: of this conflict. 793 00:41:21,180 --> 00:41:23,980 S14: You know, I sat down with our regional leader this 794 00:41:23,980 --> 00:41:26,540 S14: morning and said, hey, what's going on in Iran? What 795 00:41:26,540 --> 00:41:29,900 S14: are you hearing? Communication is very difficult because of the 796 00:41:29,900 --> 00:41:33,700 S14: internet closures and the internet shutdown that's happening in the country. 797 00:41:33,900 --> 00:41:37,180 S14: But what he said is really remarkable. He said Christians 798 00:41:37,180 --> 00:41:42,540 S14: there are incredibly hopeful, and they believe that a spiritual 799 00:41:42,580 --> 00:41:45,219 S14: harvest is coming, that that this is a time of 800 00:41:45,219 --> 00:41:48,219 S14: breakthrough for the nation of Iran. He said they're not 801 00:41:48,219 --> 00:41:50,980 S14: they're not asking, hey, help us get out of the country. 802 00:41:51,260 --> 00:41:54,340 S14: They are saying, pray for us. Pray that God will protect, 803 00:41:54,340 --> 00:41:58,180 S14: especially church leaders, because we are about to have a 804 00:41:58,180 --> 00:42:01,940 S14: season of growth within the church. The other thing he said, and. 805 00:42:01,980 --> 00:42:04,219 S14: Isn't it amazing how God works? He said, right now 806 00:42:04,219 --> 00:42:09,029 S14: the authorities, the police. Their eyes are completely on the 807 00:42:09,030 --> 00:42:12,150 S14: war that's going on. They are not on things like 808 00:42:12,150 --> 00:42:14,990 S14: Bibles coming into the country. They are not on things 809 00:42:14,989 --> 00:42:19,230 S14: like Christians meeting together. They're not focused on that. And 810 00:42:19,230 --> 00:42:23,550 S14: so gospel ministry is happening, including in some ways that 811 00:42:23,550 --> 00:42:27,230 S14: that haven't been possible even a month ago, two months ago. 812 00:42:27,550 --> 00:42:31,310 S14: Those ministries are advancing right now because the authorities are 813 00:42:31,430 --> 00:42:34,150 S14: worried about other things. They are not worried about the church. 814 00:42:34,150 --> 00:42:36,950 S14: And so they are praying. And I would encourage our 815 00:42:36,950 --> 00:42:40,589 S14: listeners pray for this season of spiritual breakthrough. Pray that 816 00:42:40,590 --> 00:42:43,870 S14: many Iranians will come to know Christ. They have just 817 00:42:43,870 --> 00:42:48,110 S14: celebrated Iranian New Year, the festival called Nowruz the holiday 818 00:42:48,110 --> 00:42:52,590 S14: of Nowruz that is a festival of new beginnings. And boy, 819 00:42:52,590 --> 00:42:56,630 S14: we pray for new beginnings in the spiritual life of many, 820 00:42:56,630 --> 00:42:59,910 S14: many Iranians in these very difficult days. 821 00:42:59,950 --> 00:43:02,870 S1: Yeah. Amen and amen. Thank you for that. Todd. Tell 822 00:43:02,870 --> 00:43:05,950 S1: me about Indonesia. You know, I wonder at first blush 823 00:43:05,950 --> 00:43:08,750 S1: how many people understand that it's the largest population of 824 00:43:08,750 --> 00:43:11,990 S1: Muslims in the world, which means things can get tough there. 825 00:43:12,830 --> 00:43:16,110 S14: Things can get very tough. And it's interesting. The persecution 826 00:43:16,110 --> 00:43:19,790 S14: we see is typically not from sort of the national government. 827 00:43:19,910 --> 00:43:25,149 S14: They proposed this idea in the Indonesian language. Pancasila, I think, 828 00:43:25,150 --> 00:43:28,029 S14: is the way they say it or Pancasila. And that 829 00:43:28,030 --> 00:43:31,190 S14: is the idea of coexistence. Hey, we have Muslims, we 830 00:43:31,190 --> 00:43:33,990 S14: have Hindus, we have Christians, and we all get along 831 00:43:33,989 --> 00:43:37,430 S14: really well. But within that, there are some rules. And 832 00:43:37,430 --> 00:43:39,750 S14: if you want to build a church, you need to 833 00:43:39,750 --> 00:43:43,150 S14: have community approval, which means you need to go to 834 00:43:43,150 --> 00:43:45,790 S14: all your neighbors and they need to sign a form saying, yeah, 835 00:43:45,830 --> 00:43:48,629 S14: it's okay if they build a church. Well, if you 836 00:43:48,630 --> 00:43:51,230 S14: have a mosque, if you have someone who is against 837 00:43:51,230 --> 00:43:54,069 S14: that church, it's very easy for them to stir up trouble. 838 00:43:54,270 --> 00:43:56,990 S14: And even right now, there's a church that is trying 839 00:43:56,989 --> 00:43:59,469 S14: to renovate their building and they have to get this 840 00:43:59,469 --> 00:44:04,399 S14: community approval. They've been trying for 15 years to get 841 00:44:04,400 --> 00:44:08,120 S14: that community approval. Even though they own the property, they 842 00:44:08,160 --> 00:44:12,279 S14: own the building, it's theirs. But they cannot even renovate 843 00:44:12,280 --> 00:44:16,120 S14: their building without the government getting involved, giving them a permit. 844 00:44:16,120 --> 00:44:18,759 S14: And the community is gathering around and saying, no, no, no, 845 00:44:18,760 --> 00:44:20,840 S14: we don't want this church. We don't want the church 846 00:44:20,840 --> 00:44:24,319 S14: to grow. Radical Muslims are protesting against it. And so 847 00:44:24,320 --> 00:44:27,360 S14: like I say, it's it is not typically like pastors 848 00:44:27,360 --> 00:44:30,440 S14: getting arrested, people being thrown in prison, but it's this 849 00:44:30,440 --> 00:44:32,799 S14: constant pressure against the church. 850 00:44:32,960 --> 00:44:33,320 S3: Wow. 851 00:44:34,000 --> 00:44:35,680 S1: And we've run out of time before we ran out 852 00:44:35,680 --> 00:44:38,720 S1: of stories, which always happens. Todd. So thank you again 853 00:44:38,719 --> 00:44:41,080 S1: for your regular visits on this program. We appreciate it 854 00:44:41,080 --> 00:44:43,520 S1: more than you know. And in between, I want our 855 00:44:43,520 --> 00:44:45,640 S1: friends to become part of voice of the martyrs. I 856 00:44:45,640 --> 00:44:50,120 S1: absolutely love and support this ministry. persecution.com. Get their monthly 857 00:44:50,120 --> 00:44:52,000 S1: newsletter so you can find out what's happening to our 858 00:44:52,000 --> 00:44:54,000 S1: brothers and sisters. Todd, thank you for the way you 859 00:44:54,000 --> 00:44:56,080 S1: serve the Lord and thank you friends. We'll see you 860 00:44:56,080 --> 00:44:58,560 S1: next time on In the Market with Janet Parshall.