1 00:00:00,080 --> 00:00:02,400 S1: Hi friends, this is Janet Parshall. Thanks so much for 2 00:00:02,400 --> 00:00:05,160 S1: downloading this podcast, and I hope you hear something that 3 00:00:05,160 --> 00:00:07,560 S1: will really encourage and edify you. But before you start 4 00:00:07,560 --> 00:00:09,400 S1: to listen, let me take a moment of your time 5 00:00:09,400 --> 00:00:11,399 S1: and tell you about this month's truth tool. It's called 6 00:00:11,400 --> 00:00:14,640 S1: secure How to Have a Healthy Attachment to God. And 7 00:00:14,640 --> 00:00:17,360 S1: it follows that very often, whatever our relationship is like 8 00:00:17,360 --> 00:00:21,000 S1: with authority figures, predominantly our parents, we somehow transferred to 9 00:00:21,040 --> 00:00:23,000 S1: how we see God. So if we have an angry parent, 10 00:00:23,040 --> 00:00:25,319 S1: he's an angry God. If it's a distant parent, he's 11 00:00:25,320 --> 00:00:27,520 S1: a God who's not there. 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Welcome to In the Market with Janet Parshall. 44 00:02:09,720 --> 00:02:11,880 S1: Thank you so much for choosing to spend the hour 45 00:02:11,880 --> 00:02:14,160 S1: with me. And by the time we're done, I hope 46 00:02:14,160 --> 00:02:17,800 S1: you've received an overflowing cup of encouragement in your walk 47 00:02:17,800 --> 00:02:20,680 S1: with the Lord. You know, Elizabeth Elliott once said, I 48 00:02:20,680 --> 00:02:23,560 S1: have one desire now to live a life of reckless 49 00:02:23,560 --> 00:02:26,640 S1: abandon for the Lord. Okay, I'm talking to people all 50 00:02:26,639 --> 00:02:28,960 S1: the way over there, from Guam, over there to the 51 00:02:28,960 --> 00:02:31,400 S1: Cayman Islands. Raise your hands. How many of you can 52 00:02:31,400 --> 00:02:34,440 S1: say I am currently living a life of reckless abandonment? 53 00:02:34,440 --> 00:02:40,480 S1: For the Lord will wait. Uh, I know, I know, 54 00:02:40,520 --> 00:02:42,919 S1: I know, I know, and our relationship with the Lord. 55 00:02:42,919 --> 00:02:45,360 S1: Do you have those hills and those valleys, those ups, 56 00:02:45,360 --> 00:02:48,800 S1: those downs, those time when you're just deeply on fire 57 00:02:48,800 --> 00:02:50,520 S1: for the Lord? There's a phrase I heard all the 58 00:02:50,520 --> 00:02:52,480 S1: time growing up as a kid, don't hear it so 59 00:02:52,480 --> 00:02:55,560 S1: much now, or you're just kind of step back, you know, 60 00:02:55,560 --> 00:02:59,200 S1: you're saved, but I just. You can't feel that sense 61 00:02:59,200 --> 00:03:01,200 S1: of your first love. If I can use a phrase 62 00:03:01,200 --> 00:03:04,399 S1: out of scripture and you're struggling because you'd really love 63 00:03:04,400 --> 00:03:07,040 S1: that passion, that fire in your bones when you first 64 00:03:07,040 --> 00:03:09,200 S1: came to know Christ as your personal Savior, but it's 65 00:03:09,200 --> 00:03:11,680 S1: just not there anymore. Well, you're in pretty good company 66 00:03:11,680 --> 00:03:13,639 S1: because you're not the only person who feels that way. 67 00:03:13,639 --> 00:03:15,960 S1: Even our guest has had a period where he felt 68 00:03:15,960 --> 00:03:18,800 S1: exactly the same way, but I think it isn't feeling 69 00:03:18,800 --> 00:03:21,920 S1: that way. It's getting out of that particular spot in 70 00:03:21,919 --> 00:03:25,040 S1: your relationship with the Lord and getting that fire back 71 00:03:25,040 --> 00:03:29,320 S1: in your bones, rekindling that passion, that zeal for Christ 72 00:03:29,320 --> 00:03:32,000 S1: and all that he is and all that he does in, 73 00:03:32,000 --> 00:03:34,280 S1: with and through you. And I think we have the 74 00:03:34,280 --> 00:03:36,960 S1: perfect person to talk to about that. Doctor Mark Yarbrough 75 00:03:36,960 --> 00:03:38,760 S1: is with us. What a treat to spend the hour 76 00:03:38,760 --> 00:03:42,119 S1: with him, because he is now the sixth president of 77 00:03:42,120 --> 00:03:45,600 S1: Dallas Theological Seminary. He served in a variety of positions 78 00:03:45,600 --> 00:03:49,320 S1: during his tenure at DTS, research assistant to the president, 79 00:03:49,320 --> 00:03:54,480 S1: executive director of Information Technology, associate Dean for External Education. 80 00:03:54,520 --> 00:04:00,960 S1: Vice president for communications, academic dean, vice president of academic affairs. Obviously, 81 00:04:00,960 --> 00:04:03,560 S1: he loves DTS, and that's exactly where I'm going to start. 82 00:04:03,600 --> 00:04:06,600 S1: Doctor Yarborough, the warmest of welcomes. So what keeps you 83 00:04:06,600 --> 00:04:08,760 S1: hanging around DTS for so many years? 84 00:04:09,720 --> 00:04:12,120 S7: Well, they couldn't figure out what to do with me 85 00:04:12,120 --> 00:04:16,640 S7: by that big giant list that you just read. Yeah. 86 00:04:16,640 --> 00:04:19,599 S7: In all seriousness, what keeps me around is the love 87 00:04:19,600 --> 00:04:23,560 S7: for the Word of God. And, uh, that that drives 88 00:04:23,560 --> 00:04:27,240 S7: me every step of the way. And so that school has, uh, 89 00:04:27,240 --> 00:04:29,080 S7: there are no perfect places. I'm not going to try 90 00:04:29,080 --> 00:04:31,120 S7: to pretend that. But I tell you what, it has 91 00:04:31,120 --> 00:04:33,680 S7: been a place that has changed me, has formed me. 92 00:04:33,720 --> 00:04:37,919 S7: Sitting in the classroom, walking with godly men and women, uh, 93 00:04:37,920 --> 00:04:41,360 S7: students that, uh, have become lifelong friends. And so it's 94 00:04:41,360 --> 00:04:44,760 S7: just been a real privilege. God obviously had that in 95 00:04:44,760 --> 00:04:46,880 S7: his goal. It was not in mine. And he made 96 00:04:46,880 --> 00:04:49,039 S7: that crystal clear. And so it's been home. 97 00:04:49,240 --> 00:04:52,280 S1: Wow. That's wonderful. And it was a prayer. It was 98 00:04:52,560 --> 00:04:54,800 S1: walking by faith and not by sight, because you had 99 00:04:54,800 --> 00:04:57,560 S1: the invitation to leave a position you had at a college, 100 00:04:57,760 --> 00:04:59,720 S1: and you were asked to come and serve as a 101 00:04:59,720 --> 00:05:04,039 S1: research assistant to Doctor Bailey and Chuck Swindoll, and also 102 00:05:04,040 --> 00:05:07,039 S1: a pay cut. But you you said yes. 103 00:05:08,480 --> 00:05:11,000 S7: Well, that was that was the Lord just saying, hey, 104 00:05:11,000 --> 00:05:12,880 S7: you gotta trust me. You know, we all have those 105 00:05:12,880 --> 00:05:15,640 S7: moments in life where God just makes it clear and 106 00:05:15,640 --> 00:05:17,840 S7: you kind of gulp, you know, and you go, okay, Lord, 107 00:05:17,839 --> 00:05:20,840 S7: if that's what you're saying. And that's exactly what he said, 108 00:05:20,880 --> 00:05:22,760 S7: and I've sure never regretted it. 109 00:05:22,920 --> 00:05:25,560 S1: Wow, that's so wonderful. Can I just thank you, too? 110 00:05:25,600 --> 00:05:28,719 S1: Having read through your book how much I appreciate your transparency, 111 00:05:28,720 --> 00:05:31,680 S1: I made that statement before about the ups and downs, 112 00:05:31,680 --> 00:05:35,240 S1: the close feeling far away, you know. Uh oh. Laodicea. 113 00:05:35,279 --> 00:05:38,320 S1: I'm lukewarm. I'm hot. I'm cold. Back and forth. Just 114 00:05:38,320 --> 00:05:41,560 S1: about every believer feels that. And you do. You have 115 00:05:41,560 --> 00:05:43,960 S1: had that experience as well. Talk to me about that. 116 00:05:44,680 --> 00:05:46,360 S7: Oh, you know, I would always say that if a 117 00:05:46,360 --> 00:05:49,920 S7: if a believer says they don't, they're just lying. I mean, 118 00:05:50,080 --> 00:05:52,750 S7: you know, it is the it is the story of 119 00:05:52,750 --> 00:05:55,430 S7: the reality of our faith. We all have these moments 120 00:05:55,430 --> 00:05:58,070 S7: where I can remember coming to faith. I grew up 121 00:05:58,070 --> 00:06:02,510 S7: in a credible household. Janet and I could spend hours 122 00:06:02,510 --> 00:06:05,030 S7: just talking about that. Mom and dad still living on 123 00:06:05,029 --> 00:06:12,310 S7: planet Earth that are the greatest Jesus loving, evangelistic, Bible studying, 124 00:06:12,990 --> 00:06:15,270 S7: you know, believers that you'd ever want to meet. And 125 00:06:15,270 --> 00:06:18,630 S7: so I've grown up in an incredible household. But just 126 00:06:18,630 --> 00:06:21,670 S7: because you have the faith that has maybe been passed 127 00:06:21,710 --> 00:06:23,790 S7: on to you, obviously it has to become your own faith. 128 00:06:23,790 --> 00:06:26,990 S7: We all realize that. But we have these moments in 129 00:06:26,990 --> 00:06:30,789 S7: our lives where either by our own stupidity. Everybody, please 130 00:06:30,790 --> 00:06:34,310 S7: raise your hand. Right. Uh. Or it's just because we 131 00:06:34,310 --> 00:06:37,870 S7: live in a broken, fallen world. And, uh, who hasn't 132 00:06:37,870 --> 00:06:41,590 S7: had those moments where it's. You have these great moments. 133 00:06:41,589 --> 00:06:43,470 S7: I love your language. And I've been playing with that 134 00:06:43,470 --> 00:06:46,230 S7: for a while of of fire. That's kind of the 135 00:06:46,230 --> 00:06:49,070 S7: image of this book in many ways, because, you know, 136 00:06:49,110 --> 00:06:50,870 S7: when you come to faith, I mean, I came to 137 00:06:50,910 --> 00:06:53,910 S7: faith for fire insurance. I'm just being straight. Honest with you. 138 00:06:53,910 --> 00:06:55,710 S7: I was listening to a sermon on hell, and I went, 139 00:06:55,710 --> 00:06:57,670 S7: I want nothing to do with that. I'm going to 140 00:06:57,670 --> 00:06:59,630 S7: hitch my wagon to Jesus. That's the best deal I've 141 00:06:59,630 --> 00:07:03,510 S7: ever heard in my life. And I can remember rejoicing 142 00:07:03,510 --> 00:07:06,510 S7: that even as a kid, you know, professing a very 143 00:07:06,510 --> 00:07:09,390 S7: simple faith in the Lord Jesus. But then life has 144 00:07:09,390 --> 00:07:12,350 S7: a way of smacking you right between the eyes. And 145 00:07:12,350 --> 00:07:14,750 S7: like I said, either because of your own stupidity or 146 00:07:14,750 --> 00:07:16,910 S7: because of just living in a fallen and broken world 147 00:07:16,910 --> 00:07:21,550 S7: and things happen and it it confronts our faith, and 148 00:07:21,550 --> 00:07:23,750 S7: all of a sudden that fire is not as vibrant 149 00:07:23,750 --> 00:07:25,590 S7: as it once was. We've all been there. 150 00:07:25,910 --> 00:07:28,030 S1: I'm so thankful you said that, because I think a 151 00:07:28,030 --> 00:07:30,910 S1: collective sigh was heard across the land for people thinking, 152 00:07:31,110 --> 00:07:33,910 S1: oh no, that there's got to be something wrong with me. 153 00:07:33,950 --> 00:07:36,910 S1: Can I ask the other $4 million question when we 154 00:07:36,910 --> 00:07:38,830 S1: have those periods? In fact, I was thinking when you 155 00:07:38,830 --> 00:07:40,750 S1: were talking, my mom always used to quote the poet 156 00:07:40,790 --> 00:07:43,230 S1: who said, life is too much with me sometimes. That's 157 00:07:43,230 --> 00:07:45,750 S1: exactly why we go into those tepid periods. It's like 158 00:07:45,750 --> 00:07:48,550 S1: we're kind of overwhelmed and we just push back and 159 00:07:48,550 --> 00:07:51,750 S1: we're just kind of sitting in a corner. Um, just 160 00:07:51,750 --> 00:07:54,070 S1: got mad at us when we have those cooling periods. 161 00:07:54,950 --> 00:07:58,030 S7: No, I don't think so. I think he knows. I mean, 162 00:07:58,030 --> 00:08:01,750 S7: he understands. Uh, I think he understands our brokenness much 163 00:08:01,750 --> 00:08:05,550 S7: more than we realize. And, you know, in those in 164 00:08:05,590 --> 00:08:08,670 S7: those moments I have learned in my own life. And 165 00:08:08,670 --> 00:08:12,510 S7: the Lord's still working on me. I promise you that. Uh, 166 00:08:12,630 --> 00:08:14,830 S7: you know, we realize that he does some of his 167 00:08:14,830 --> 00:08:18,310 S7: greatest teaching in those dry moments, you know, in the 168 00:08:18,310 --> 00:08:22,390 S7: wilderness wanderings. Unfortunately, pain is one of God's great tutors. 169 00:08:22,390 --> 00:08:25,990 S7: We're all aware of that. And, uh, I don't enjoy 170 00:08:25,990 --> 00:08:28,350 S7: those moments. I mean, I always say all along, and 171 00:08:28,350 --> 00:08:30,790 S7: I've said this probably in the book, um, you know, 172 00:08:30,830 --> 00:08:33,069 S7: I would I would much rather get the CliffsNotes version 173 00:08:33,070 --> 00:08:35,590 S7: on it, you know, send me a little pointed bullet 174 00:08:35,590 --> 00:08:37,870 S7: point facts or something like that. You know, it's going 175 00:08:37,910 --> 00:08:40,430 S7: to give me all the details of it. But God 176 00:08:40,429 --> 00:08:42,190 S7: has a way of kind of sending us through the 177 00:08:42,230 --> 00:08:46,390 S7: workshop of life, and it's there that he grows us. Right? 178 00:08:46,670 --> 00:08:49,949 S1: Yeah. Amen. It's so, so very true. So in this 179 00:08:49,950 --> 00:08:52,469 S1: wonderful book, what Doctor Yarbro does is he gives us 180 00:08:52,470 --> 00:08:56,230 S1: six essentials for reviving your faith. Now, you know, it's 181 00:08:56,230 --> 00:08:58,709 S1: not going to be some blazing headline in the sky. 182 00:08:58,750 --> 00:09:01,390 S1: Probably something you've already heard. But you know, when all 183 00:09:01,390 --> 00:09:03,949 S1: else fails, go back and read the instructions. Go back 184 00:09:03,950 --> 00:09:08,270 S1: to the rudimentary the fundamentals of what caused that hunger. 185 00:09:08,270 --> 00:09:10,710 S1: To know him more, to know him more deeply, to 186 00:09:10,750 --> 00:09:12,710 S1: really be. And we're going to use this word a lot, 187 00:09:12,710 --> 00:09:14,470 S1: because it really is a theme that works its way 188 00:09:14,470 --> 00:09:16,990 S1: through the book. Really. Being on fire for the Lord. 189 00:09:16,990 --> 00:09:20,110 S1: Not tepid, not just embers, but on fire for the Lord. 190 00:09:20,110 --> 00:09:23,150 S1: The new book is called The Rekindled Heart six essentials 191 00:09:23,150 --> 00:09:25,270 S1: for Reviving Your Faith. We'll get into some of those 192 00:09:25,270 --> 00:09:45,950 S1: essentials right after this. We were created for relationships, Developing 193 00:09:45,950 --> 00:09:49,189 S1: a healthy attachment to God helps us form good relationships 194 00:09:49,190 --> 00:09:51,870 S1: with others. And that's why I've chosen secure how to 195 00:09:51,870 --> 00:09:54,630 S1: have a healthy attachment to God. As this month's truth tool, 196 00:09:54,630 --> 00:09:57,750 S1: discover how real security is found in your relationship with God. 197 00:09:57,950 --> 00:09:59,709 S1: Ask for your copy of secure. When you give a 198 00:09:59,750 --> 00:10:02,710 S1: gift of any amount to in the market, call 877. 199 00:10:02,710 --> 00:10:06,550 S1: Janet 58. That's 877 Janet 58 or go to in 200 00:10:06,590 --> 00:10:12,390 S1: the market with Janet Parshall. We get to spend the 201 00:10:12,390 --> 00:10:15,110 S1: hour with doctor Mark Yarbro, who's the president of Dallas 202 00:10:15,110 --> 00:10:18,469 S1: Theological Seminary. He's a speaker and he's also a professor. 203 00:10:18,830 --> 00:10:21,190 S1: He is the author of multiple books, including the best 204 00:10:21,190 --> 00:10:24,150 S1: selling How to Read the Bible Like a Seminary Professor. 205 00:10:24,150 --> 00:10:27,350 S1: He's also the featured speaker on the story of Scripture conferences, 206 00:10:27,350 --> 00:10:29,790 S1: and he's a sought after Bible teacher. None of that 207 00:10:29,790 --> 00:10:32,470 S1: comes as a surprise. If you've never met or listened 208 00:10:32,470 --> 00:10:35,310 S1: or read anything by Doctor Yarbro, let me encourage you 209 00:10:35,309 --> 00:10:37,750 S1: to pick up his new book, The Rekindled Heart Six 210 00:10:37,790 --> 00:10:42,390 S1: essentials for Reviving Your Faith. Listen, we start every broadcast 211 00:10:42,390 --> 00:10:45,670 S1: with the cacophony of the marketplace of ideas, with the 212 00:10:45,670 --> 00:10:49,350 S1: sole and single purpose of this broadcast to edify, equip, enlighten, 213 00:10:49,350 --> 00:10:52,429 S1: encourage and then push you out there so that you 214 00:10:52,429 --> 00:10:55,070 S1: can influence and occupy right smack dab in the middle 215 00:10:55,070 --> 00:10:57,030 S1: of the marketplace. But you're not going to want to 216 00:10:57,030 --> 00:10:59,350 S1: go if you're if you're lukewarm in your relationship with 217 00:10:59,350 --> 00:11:00,670 S1: the Lord, why would you want to go out and 218 00:11:00,670 --> 00:11:02,990 S1: influence and occupy? Why would you want to let your 219 00:11:02,990 --> 00:11:04,750 S1: light so shine? Why would you bother to try to 220 00:11:04,790 --> 00:11:06,910 S1: seek the welfare of the city? And so what I 221 00:11:06,910 --> 00:11:09,670 S1: love about this book is it goes back to the basics. 222 00:11:09,870 --> 00:11:13,030 S1: And in the book, Doctor Yarbro puts out six essentials 223 00:11:13,030 --> 00:11:14,870 S1: for reviving your faith. And I bet it comes as 224 00:11:14,870 --> 00:11:17,710 S1: no surprise to anyone that he starts with the Word 225 00:11:17,710 --> 00:11:20,510 S1: of God. Well, there's the scripture. Faith comes by hearing 226 00:11:20,510 --> 00:11:22,030 S1: and hearing by the Word of God. So if you 227 00:11:22,030 --> 00:11:25,950 S1: want a deep, rich, vibrant faith, it follows, doesn't it, 228 00:11:25,950 --> 00:11:27,870 S1: that we would want to be in the Word of God. 229 00:11:27,910 --> 00:11:30,910 S1: Doctor Yarbro I'm in DC, so we crunch numbers and 230 00:11:30,910 --> 00:11:33,390 S1: we read white paper reports and data all the time. 231 00:11:33,630 --> 00:11:35,990 S1: And I'm very, very concerned not about the world. The 232 00:11:35,990 --> 00:11:38,469 S1: world is so on task. It is doing exactly what 233 00:11:38,470 --> 00:11:42,110 S1: the world does without Jesus. I'm far more interested in 234 00:11:42,110 --> 00:11:43,910 S1: what's going on in the church. And if you look 235 00:11:43,950 --> 00:11:46,510 S1: at the research done by Doctor George Barna at the 236 00:11:46,510 --> 00:11:50,550 S1: Christian Research Center at Arizona Christian University, we're in trouble. 237 00:11:50,550 --> 00:11:54,630 S1: People who profess to know Christ as their personal savior. 45% 238 00:11:54,630 --> 00:11:57,270 S1: think that Jesus sinned. They don't believe in the reality 239 00:11:57,270 --> 00:12:00,030 S1: of the Trinity. They think that the devil is a 240 00:12:00,030 --> 00:12:03,390 S1: figment of the imagination, but he's not actively an entity 241 00:12:03,390 --> 00:12:07,790 S1: out there seeking and prowling. And so if we're biblically illiterate, 242 00:12:07,790 --> 00:12:09,630 S1: we're going to take we're going to be taken captive 243 00:12:09,670 --> 00:12:12,510 S1: by vain and hollow philosophies, as it says in Colossians. 244 00:12:12,510 --> 00:12:15,550 S1: But also why? Why would you fall deeply in love 245 00:12:15,550 --> 00:12:17,630 S1: with Jesus if you're not reading his love letters? 246 00:12:18,510 --> 00:12:19,630 S8: That is exactly. 247 00:12:19,630 --> 00:12:21,630 S7: Right. And we've got to get back to the book. 248 00:12:21,670 --> 00:12:24,990 S7: I mean, all the stats are telling us and you know, this, um, 249 00:12:25,030 --> 00:12:27,030 S7: the stats are telling us that people just aren't spending 250 00:12:27,070 --> 00:12:30,630 S7: time in the word. I mean, we're entertaining ourselves to death. Look, 251 00:12:30,670 --> 00:12:33,230 S7: there's nothing I'm not. I'm not picking on any, having 252 00:12:33,230 --> 00:12:36,270 S7: a good time and enjoying family and all of the 253 00:12:36,270 --> 00:12:38,830 S7: good things that God allows us to do. But I 254 00:12:38,830 --> 00:12:41,430 S7: tell you what, we have got to spend time in 255 00:12:41,470 --> 00:12:43,390 S7: the Word of God. I mean, you and I know 256 00:12:43,390 --> 00:12:46,830 S7: and we profess this. So second Timothy 316, I say 257 00:12:46,830 --> 00:12:50,230 S7: it this way. It's great faith. And I know you 258 00:12:50,270 --> 00:12:51,590 S7: hear that. And it sounds like, man, you got to 259 00:12:51,590 --> 00:12:55,950 S7: go see your podiatrist if you got the paragraph right. 260 00:12:56,030 --> 00:12:58,630 S7: But it is Paul's language that he uses there. And 261 00:12:58,630 --> 00:13:01,590 S7: it's a great charge to Timothy. He's like all Scripture 262 00:13:01,590 --> 00:13:07,030 S7: is God breathed. He uses such graphic language for us. 263 00:13:07,030 --> 00:13:10,590 S7: He's literally saying that Scripture is the very breath, that 264 00:13:10,590 --> 00:13:14,030 S7: exhale of God. It's when God speaks, it's His word. 265 00:13:14,270 --> 00:13:16,670 S7: And that's what the church has always professed. And if 266 00:13:16,710 --> 00:13:21,230 S7: we're playing Christianity, we're not taking God serious at his word. 267 00:13:21,230 --> 00:13:23,350 S7: A lot of the stats are showing us that. But 268 00:13:23,550 --> 00:13:27,190 S7: I can also say I am excited about some stats 269 00:13:27,190 --> 00:13:30,870 S7: that we're starting to see in regard to Bible sales 270 00:13:30,870 --> 00:13:34,030 S7: and Gen Z. And I mean, there's some positive things 271 00:13:34,030 --> 00:13:36,910 S7: and we need to just fan that flame, right? 272 00:13:36,950 --> 00:13:40,430 S1: Yeah, 100%. I agree with you. Despite what's being recorded, 273 00:13:40,429 --> 00:13:42,230 S1: I think by some of the media outlets, there is 274 00:13:42,230 --> 00:13:44,910 S1: something going on that should catch our attention. But let 275 00:13:44,910 --> 00:13:47,870 S1: me go back to the idea of discipline. And that 276 00:13:47,870 --> 00:13:50,790 S1: is the operative word in this conversation. You know, we 277 00:13:50,790 --> 00:13:54,830 S1: live in a sensate culture where we expect instant gratification. 278 00:13:54,830 --> 00:13:57,790 S1: After all, you can get instant cash, instant popcorn, and 279 00:13:57,790 --> 00:14:00,670 S1: instant divorce. And so the idea of rolling up your 280 00:14:00,670 --> 00:14:03,350 S1: sleeves and digging through the book of numbers is like, 281 00:14:03,830 --> 00:14:06,750 S1: I'd rather have a root canal. There's nothing appealing there. 282 00:14:06,950 --> 00:14:09,150 S1: Or you figure you have to be a DTS grad 283 00:14:09,190 --> 00:14:12,429 S1: to understand it. So go. I mean, again, I think 284 00:14:12,429 --> 00:14:15,110 S1: we have to start with the purpose of the scriptures. I, 285 00:14:15,150 --> 00:14:16,750 S1: you know, almost every day in my prayer life, I 286 00:14:16,750 --> 00:14:19,150 S1: thank the Lord for his word because I think I'm 287 00:14:19,150 --> 00:14:21,070 S1: so grateful I didn't have to wake up this morning 288 00:14:21,070 --> 00:14:23,510 S1: and try to figure out what truth is or what 289 00:14:23,510 --> 00:14:26,350 S1: I should do, because I have the illuminating power of 290 00:14:26,350 --> 00:14:29,070 S1: His word. I'd be sitting in a dark corner without it. 291 00:14:29,150 --> 00:14:30,950 S1: Why wouldn't we want to spend time in it? 292 00:14:31,430 --> 00:14:34,230 S7: That's exactly right. I mean, if we really do believe 293 00:14:34,230 --> 00:14:36,550 S7: that the Word of God is alive and powerful, it's 294 00:14:36,550 --> 00:14:40,190 S7: sharper than any two edged sword that God has revealed 295 00:14:40,430 --> 00:14:42,470 S7: the way to live. It doesn't mean we're going to 296 00:14:42,470 --> 00:14:45,270 S7: do it perfectly, but God's way is always right. God's 297 00:14:45,270 --> 00:14:49,270 S7: way is always better. God's way always makes sense that 298 00:14:49,270 --> 00:14:52,430 S7: we want the best life. I mean, so if Jesus 299 00:14:52,430 --> 00:14:55,790 S7: himself came and said, I have come that you may 300 00:14:55,830 --> 00:14:59,870 S7: have life and may have it abundantly, right? That doesn't 301 00:14:59,870 --> 00:15:02,030 S7: mean that we're going to be rich and rolling in it. 302 00:15:02,070 --> 00:15:05,190 S7: It's not the prosperity gospel in that regard, but it 303 00:15:05,190 --> 00:15:08,190 S7: is saying we're going to have a satisfaction even in 304 00:15:08,190 --> 00:15:11,070 S7: this life. It gives us purpose in how we live. 305 00:15:11,470 --> 00:15:14,230 S7: And we've just got to get back to the book. 306 00:15:14,510 --> 00:15:18,590 S1: Yeah. And back to the discipline of turning out the world, 307 00:15:18,630 --> 00:15:21,710 S1: turning everything off and just getting into his word. Which 308 00:15:21,710 --> 00:15:24,910 S1: raises a couple of really pragmatic questions, which is a 309 00:15:24,950 --> 00:15:27,270 S1: lot of people might say, okay, I want to read 310 00:15:27,270 --> 00:15:29,190 S1: the word, but I don't know where to start. I 311 00:15:29,190 --> 00:15:30,950 S1: don't know how to do this. You give us three 312 00:15:30,950 --> 00:15:33,830 S1: points to stoke the fire. First you say talk to 313 00:15:33,870 --> 00:15:36,030 S1: the Lord. Second you say open your Bible. Third, you 314 00:15:36,030 --> 00:15:38,710 S1: say find a place in your church or local ministry 315 00:15:38,710 --> 00:15:40,750 S1: to use your gifts for the Lord. Let me just 316 00:15:40,750 --> 00:15:43,470 S1: go to why would you say talk to the Lord 317 00:15:43,470 --> 00:15:45,030 S1: before you open your Bible? 318 00:15:45,710 --> 00:15:48,870 S7: Yeah, I think we've got to ask the Lord and say, Lord, uh, 319 00:15:48,870 --> 00:15:52,470 S7: illumine me. I mean, part of Scripture mandates over and 320 00:15:52,470 --> 00:15:56,270 S7: over again of Lord, open my eyes. I mean, I've 321 00:15:56,270 --> 00:15:58,870 S7: got sin in my life, and I know that. And 322 00:15:58,870 --> 00:16:02,310 S7: we all have blind spots. And so part of it 323 00:16:02,310 --> 00:16:05,470 S7: is purging the world as we go to the Lord. 324 00:16:05,670 --> 00:16:09,390 S7: And we've got to shut out all of the noise 325 00:16:09,390 --> 00:16:11,990 S7: in order to hear him. He's speaking all along. The 326 00:16:12,030 --> 00:16:15,110 S7: Holy Spirit is at work. He is on the move. 327 00:16:15,470 --> 00:16:17,670 S7: But a lot of times we need to be able 328 00:16:17,670 --> 00:16:21,670 S7: to get quiet. We need to ask the Lord. Lord, 329 00:16:21,990 --> 00:16:27,190 S7: expose my sin. Expose my problems. Uh. Help me here. 330 00:16:27,190 --> 00:16:30,870 S7: Help me. Listen. God is willing and active. Sometimes we're 331 00:16:30,870 --> 00:16:33,670 S7: just looking for God's soundbites. You know, we want God 332 00:16:33,670 --> 00:16:36,030 S7: in a paper bag and a drive thru window and 333 00:16:36,030 --> 00:16:39,310 S7: we want a fast food picture of God. And I 334 00:16:39,310 --> 00:16:42,870 S7: think he's asking us to slow down and to listen 335 00:16:43,150 --> 00:16:46,950 S7: and to focus on what matters, to hear him speak. 336 00:16:47,110 --> 00:16:49,790 S7: So that's got to be a critical part of how 337 00:16:49,790 --> 00:16:53,430 S7: we approach this important task of having bold trust in 338 00:16:53,430 --> 00:16:54,070 S7: God's Word. 339 00:16:54,350 --> 00:16:56,390 S1: Love it, love it. And just asking the Lord if 340 00:16:56,390 --> 00:16:59,150 S1: you don't understand, remember, you're not reading it alone. You're 341 00:16:59,150 --> 00:17:01,990 S1: you have the inspiration and the instruction of the Holy 342 00:17:01,990 --> 00:17:05,030 S1: Spirit when you're reading the word. And as Doctor Yarbro 343 00:17:05,030 --> 00:17:07,390 S1: just said, Lord, I'm going to open your word. I 344 00:17:07,390 --> 00:17:09,470 S1: want to learn. I want to plumb the depths. I 345 00:17:09,470 --> 00:17:11,830 S1: want to have this applied to my life. Teach me. 346 00:17:11,990 --> 00:17:14,030 S1: You know, he's such a faithful God, I guarantee you. 347 00:17:14,070 --> 00:17:18,350 S1: He answers that immediately. That's just the first essential we're 348 00:17:18,350 --> 00:17:22,110 S1: looking at, which is really and truly rekindling devotion. By 349 00:17:22,150 --> 00:17:24,270 S1: putting our trust in God's Word. We're going to talk 350 00:17:24,270 --> 00:17:44,580 S1: about another one right after this. The Rekindled Heart six 351 00:17:44,580 --> 00:17:47,060 S1: essentials for Reviving Your Faith. It is the brand new 352 00:17:47,060 --> 00:17:49,860 S1: book by doctor Mark Yarbrough, who is the president of 353 00:17:49,859 --> 00:17:52,740 S1: Dallas Theological Seminary. Now you hear me say this there 354 00:17:52,740 --> 00:17:54,700 S1: are six essentials here. This is not a book report. 355 00:17:54,700 --> 00:17:57,540 S1: It's not a fireside chat. It's a conversation to get 356 00:17:57,540 --> 00:18:00,179 S1: you to think biblically and critically. And you hear me 357 00:18:00,220 --> 00:18:02,659 S1: say this all the time. That is not a multiple 358 00:18:02,660 --> 00:18:04,740 S1: choice test. It is not an either or. It is 359 00:18:04,740 --> 00:18:07,060 S1: a both end. And so we're going to touch on these. 360 00:18:07,060 --> 00:18:09,180 S1: But please know my heart when I tell you that 361 00:18:09,180 --> 00:18:12,220 S1: Doctor Yarbrough goes much deeper into every one of these 362 00:18:12,260 --> 00:18:14,340 S1: essentials in the book. I'm just giving you a sense 363 00:18:14,340 --> 00:18:16,979 S1: of the things you can start thinking about ruminating on 364 00:18:17,140 --> 00:18:19,780 S1: to really get back that fire in your bones. I 365 00:18:19,780 --> 00:18:22,500 S1: love that, I love when Jeremiah talks about that. I 366 00:18:22,500 --> 00:18:24,139 S1: think to myself, that's what I want. I want to 367 00:18:24,140 --> 00:18:26,620 S1: have fire in my bones in my relationship with the Lord. 368 00:18:26,900 --> 00:18:31,220 S1: The second one, which is rekindling dependence, I think, is 369 00:18:31,220 --> 00:18:34,020 S1: a linchpin. There are six essentials, but I thought, wow, 370 00:18:34,220 --> 00:18:36,260 S1: if you if you don't do this one, you're really 371 00:18:36,260 --> 00:18:38,500 S1: in trouble. And I think the problem for a lot 372 00:18:38,540 --> 00:18:43,140 S1: of the sheep is that our propensity for dependency is 373 00:18:43,140 --> 00:18:47,220 S1: predicated on performance, not ours, but God's. And if we 374 00:18:47,220 --> 00:18:50,660 S1: think that God doesn't come through. He's not trustworthy. I 375 00:18:50,700 --> 00:18:52,859 S1: can't depend on him because I'm not sure he's always, 376 00:18:52,900 --> 00:18:55,860 S1: always going to show up. Now, that is outright abject ignorance, 377 00:18:55,859 --> 00:18:59,540 S1: because that's the mortals perspective. That's not understanding who God is. 378 00:18:59,820 --> 00:19:02,500 S1: This goes why I think there's such a tangential connection 379 00:19:02,500 --> 00:19:04,660 S1: between this one and the first one. You know God's 380 00:19:04,660 --> 00:19:07,260 S1: character by getting into his word. So if he's a 381 00:19:07,260 --> 00:19:09,500 S1: promise keeping God, if he's a faithful God, you can 382 00:19:09,500 --> 00:19:11,820 S1: depend on him because of what we know about him 383 00:19:11,820 --> 00:19:14,500 S1: through His Word. But we tend not to do it 384 00:19:14,500 --> 00:19:18,140 S1: because we don't totally depend on any other mortal. And 385 00:19:18,140 --> 00:19:21,939 S1: if we pray and we misapply Romans 828, for example, 386 00:19:21,940 --> 00:19:24,220 S1: and something doesn't come out the way we think, we think, oh, 387 00:19:24,260 --> 00:19:26,899 S1: hands up, he's a God who cannot be depended upon. 388 00:19:26,900 --> 00:19:27,940 S1: Talk to me about that. 389 00:19:28,500 --> 00:19:31,820 S7: Yeah. Bottom line, it's an issue of trust and, um, 390 00:19:31,859 --> 00:19:36,500 S7: all throughout Scripture from beginning to end. Uh, trust is 391 00:19:36,500 --> 00:19:39,540 S7: the call of the child of God, right? We've got 392 00:19:39,540 --> 00:19:42,580 S7: to believe that God is who he says he is, 393 00:19:42,580 --> 00:19:45,219 S7: that he has revealed himself as who he has revealed 394 00:19:45,220 --> 00:19:47,980 S7: himself to be, and that we have to trust him. 395 00:19:48,020 --> 00:19:54,460 S7: I mean, it is that constant call of saying, be totally, 100% dependent. 396 00:19:54,460 --> 00:19:57,379 S7: And the reality is, is that that is hard to do. 397 00:19:57,420 --> 00:20:00,460 S7: And especially when we find ourselves as very resourceful people 398 00:20:00,460 --> 00:20:02,619 S7: and we have great things to work with and we're 399 00:20:02,619 --> 00:20:05,860 S7: problem solvers. Everybody raise your hand, right. I mean, it's 400 00:20:05,859 --> 00:20:08,020 S7: just kind of that's that's it. It's we've got to 401 00:20:08,060 --> 00:20:11,540 S7: resist the urge to lean on our own understanding. And 402 00:20:11,540 --> 00:20:13,619 S7: that's kind of the passage in this book that I 403 00:20:13,660 --> 00:20:15,140 S7: kind of go to. I try to pick a lot 404 00:20:15,140 --> 00:20:17,380 S7: of the, you know, the the, I want to say 405 00:20:17,380 --> 00:20:19,780 S7: the famous verses. You know, I hate saying it that way, Janet, 406 00:20:19,780 --> 00:20:21,580 S7: but you know what I mean? The verses that maybe 407 00:20:21,580 --> 00:20:23,740 S7: a lot of people are familiar with, and I kind 408 00:20:23,780 --> 00:20:26,700 S7: of drill down on Proverbs three five and six that 409 00:20:26,700 --> 00:20:30,540 S7: trust in the Lord with all your heart. that passage. 410 00:20:30,540 --> 00:20:32,739 S7: So yeah, that's the next part, the charge that we 411 00:20:32,740 --> 00:20:33,540 S7: have to have. Right. 412 00:20:33,540 --> 00:20:36,460 S1: Exactly. And this next part. And lean not on your 413 00:20:36,500 --> 00:20:39,540 S1: own understanding. Therein lies the rub on this, I think. 414 00:20:39,900 --> 00:20:41,860 S7: Yeah, it is exactly what it is. And I talk 415 00:20:41,900 --> 00:20:44,420 S7: about the fact that, um, you know, it's interesting all 416 00:20:44,420 --> 00:20:49,220 S7: throughout Scripture, Jesus has always been, uh, fascinating to me 417 00:20:49,220 --> 00:20:51,859 S7: for lots of reasons. But as a master teacher, I 418 00:20:51,859 --> 00:20:54,980 S7: love that moment that in Matthew 18, Jesus had a 419 00:20:54,980 --> 00:20:58,580 S7: little child stand among them. And, uh, you know that 420 00:20:58,580 --> 00:21:01,580 S7: great passage and he is using that as a picture 421 00:21:01,940 --> 00:21:05,899 S7: of of incredible dependence. I've heard through the years, people 422 00:21:05,900 --> 00:21:08,419 S7: will take that passage and say, yeah, we're supposed to 423 00:21:08,420 --> 00:21:11,060 S7: be innocent like little children. You know, I'm like, going 424 00:21:11,100 --> 00:21:13,939 S7: innocent like little children. You must obviously not be a parent, 425 00:21:13,980 --> 00:21:16,460 S7: you know? I mean, there's a reason when we get 426 00:21:16,460 --> 00:21:18,260 S7: kids in, the first thing we do is we put 427 00:21:18,260 --> 00:21:20,140 S7: them in a crib with bars in front of them, right? 428 00:21:20,180 --> 00:21:22,300 S7: I mean, they're just like, that's where they belong. They're 429 00:21:22,300 --> 00:21:25,179 S7: little sinners. They came out that way. And all of 430 00:21:25,180 --> 00:21:27,980 S7: a sudden we realized that, yeah, we've all got issues. 431 00:21:27,980 --> 00:21:32,139 S7: There's a problem. But what Jesus does there with that 432 00:21:32,140 --> 00:21:34,340 S7: child standing in their midst, he says, you got to 433 00:21:34,380 --> 00:21:38,740 S7: become like that little child. That little kid is incredibly dependent. 434 00:21:39,180 --> 00:21:40,820 S7: I mean, it scared me to death when I first 435 00:21:40,820 --> 00:21:43,260 S7: became a parent all those years ago. My oldest daughter 436 00:21:43,260 --> 00:21:47,140 S7: is 29 now, and it scared me. I can remember 437 00:21:47,140 --> 00:21:50,820 S7: leaning over that crib, seeing that little child laying there 438 00:21:51,180 --> 00:21:54,140 S7: and saying, man, I might as well be God Almighty 439 00:21:54,140 --> 00:21:56,180 S7: in front of that child. I'm the first picture of 440 00:21:56,180 --> 00:21:58,699 S7: God that that baby's ever going to have. And it 441 00:21:58,740 --> 00:22:01,820 S7: it dawned on me that I need to teach my 442 00:22:01,820 --> 00:22:07,060 S7: children how to be God reliant, how to have trust 443 00:22:07,060 --> 00:22:09,740 S7: in me, because that is going to transfer them into 444 00:22:09,740 --> 00:22:12,500 S7: their picture of who God is. And that's a scary 445 00:22:12,500 --> 00:22:14,980 S7: thought as a parent. So in the book, and you 446 00:22:14,980 --> 00:22:19,580 S7: probably saw this, I talk about what I call refrigerator faith. Yeah. Refrigerator. 447 00:22:19,619 --> 00:22:20,619 S1: Exactly. Yes. 448 00:22:20,859 --> 00:22:23,060 S7: Yeah. And it's you know, it's something I did with 449 00:22:23,060 --> 00:22:24,740 S7: my kids. I would put them up on top of 450 00:22:24,740 --> 00:22:27,820 S7: the refrigerator And I know, you know, don't call a 451 00:22:27,820 --> 00:22:29,659 S7: service on me here. I'd put them on top of 452 00:22:29,660 --> 00:22:32,380 S7: the refrigerator and I'd put my my hands out to them. 453 00:22:32,380 --> 00:22:33,699 S7: And you know what I want them to do? I 454 00:22:33,700 --> 00:22:36,100 S7: want them to jump off to me. I want them 455 00:22:36,100 --> 00:22:39,060 S7: to kind of fall forward. I wanted to teach them 456 00:22:39,060 --> 00:22:41,100 S7: that I was always there to catch them. As long 457 00:22:41,100 --> 00:22:43,780 S7: as God would, you know, give me breath. I'm there. 458 00:22:43,780 --> 00:22:47,980 S7: And I wanted them to trust me. And I got 459 00:22:47,980 --> 00:22:50,940 S7: to thinking about that picture. That's exactly what God wants 460 00:22:50,940 --> 00:22:54,060 S7: us to do with him. And that kind of refrigerator 461 00:22:54,060 --> 00:22:57,460 S7: trust is is a scary trust, you know? But God 462 00:22:57,460 --> 00:23:00,419 S7: will never drop us. He'll never let us go. And 463 00:23:00,420 --> 00:23:02,940 S7: that's where that second part that you just alluded to 464 00:23:02,980 --> 00:23:05,460 S7: of that trust in the Lord with all your heart 465 00:23:05,460 --> 00:23:09,540 S7: and lean not on your own understanding. In all your 466 00:23:09,540 --> 00:23:14,780 S7: ways acknowledge him and he will make your paths straight. 467 00:23:15,100 --> 00:23:19,060 S7: It means that path that that purpose in life, we're 468 00:23:19,060 --> 00:23:21,139 S7: going to have clarity on where we're going. He didn't say, 469 00:23:21,140 --> 00:23:23,780 S7: it's going to be easy. You know, it's it's that 470 00:23:23,780 --> 00:23:25,660 S7: great promise of it's not going to be easy, but 471 00:23:25,660 --> 00:23:27,900 S7: it's going to be worth it, right? That we're going 472 00:23:27,940 --> 00:23:31,180 S7: to be able to follow him no matter what. 473 00:23:32,020 --> 00:23:35,020 S1: Yeah. That's so important. I'm coming up to a break, 474 00:23:35,060 --> 00:23:37,739 S1: and I'm loathe to start the story, because I know 475 00:23:37,740 --> 00:23:39,260 S1: you won't be able to get it in before the break, 476 00:23:39,260 --> 00:23:41,060 S1: so let me just set the stage if I can. 477 00:23:41,340 --> 00:23:45,540 S1: I really was impacted by the story of a snowstorm 478 00:23:45,540 --> 00:23:49,140 S1: and your family driving, and this idea of dependence on 479 00:23:49,140 --> 00:23:51,300 S1: the Lord. So when you come back, would you share 480 00:23:51,300 --> 00:23:53,060 S1: that story with us? Because I thought it was so, 481 00:23:53,060 --> 00:23:56,820 S1: so powerful. There are six essentials in this book, and 482 00:23:56,820 --> 00:24:00,820 S1: we've just touched on two so far Rekindling Devotion, which 483 00:24:00,820 --> 00:24:04,580 S1: is complete and total trust in God's Word, rekindled dependence, 484 00:24:04,580 --> 00:24:07,700 S1: which is total God reliance. And when we come back, 485 00:24:07,740 --> 00:24:09,220 S1: Doctor Yarborough is going to give us one more story, 486 00:24:09,220 --> 00:24:10,700 S1: and then we're going to touch on some more of these. 487 00:24:10,740 --> 00:24:13,460 S1: The whole book is called The Rekindled Heart. I love 488 00:24:13,460 --> 00:24:15,740 S1: the cover. It's a bunch of matches that go from 489 00:24:15,740 --> 00:24:18,860 S1: being almost completely burned out, various grades until you see 490 00:24:18,900 --> 00:24:21,619 S1: it lit. Initially, that's what I want to be. I 491 00:24:21,619 --> 00:24:23,900 S1: want to be on fire for the Lord. How about you? 492 00:24:23,940 --> 00:24:26,100 S1: You're just looking for ways to tap in again. Well, 493 00:24:26,100 --> 00:24:28,580 S1: this conversation is for you. The book's even better back 494 00:24:28,580 --> 00:24:55,700 S1: after this. We live in a culture that's infatuated with 495 00:24:55,700 --> 00:24:58,419 S1: the latest fads, but Ephesians 415 calls for us to 496 00:24:58,420 --> 00:25:01,379 S1: be stable, no longer infants, Paul said, tossed about by 497 00:25:01,380 --> 00:25:03,820 S1: the waves and carried around by every wind of teaching 498 00:25:03,980 --> 00:25:06,740 S1: on in the market. We're exposing current trends and finding 499 00:25:06,740 --> 00:25:09,540 S1: our balance by standing on the solid foundation of God's Word. 500 00:25:09,700 --> 00:25:12,540 S1: To get exclusive behind the scenes information and benefits, become 501 00:25:12,540 --> 00:25:16,500 S1: a partial partner. Call 87758 or go online to in 502 00:25:16,540 --> 00:25:21,139 S1: the market with Janet. What a joy to spend the 503 00:25:21,140 --> 00:25:23,740 S1: hour with doctor Mark Yarbro. He is the president of 504 00:25:23,740 --> 00:25:27,740 S1: Dallas Theological Seminary. He's also a speaker, a professor. He's 505 00:25:27,740 --> 00:25:30,540 S1: a prolific author, including the best selling How to Read 506 00:25:30,540 --> 00:25:33,500 S1: the Bible Like a Seminary Professor. He's also a featured 507 00:25:33,500 --> 00:25:36,180 S1: speaker at the Story of Scripture conferences and a sought 508 00:25:36,180 --> 00:25:39,220 S1: after Bible teacher. His new book is called The Rekindled 509 00:25:39,220 --> 00:25:43,260 S1: Heart Six Essentials for Reviving Your Faith, written for every 510 00:25:43,260 --> 00:25:45,100 S1: single one of us, because we are going to have 511 00:25:45,100 --> 00:25:48,379 S1: those periods where we're just kind of lukewarm water cooled off. 512 00:25:48,380 --> 00:25:51,859 S1: That first love has somehow evaporated, and we just can't 513 00:25:51,859 --> 00:25:54,180 S1: figure out how to get back to that point. When 514 00:25:54,220 --> 00:25:57,140 S1: you first accepted Christ as your Savior. Old things passed away. 515 00:25:57,140 --> 00:25:59,540 S1: All things became new. You were a new creature. You 516 00:25:59,540 --> 00:26:02,580 S1: saw the world in Technicolor. Oh. Oh, dear. Hearts ran. 517 00:26:02,580 --> 00:26:05,340 S1: And now I don't know. Life is kind of too 518 00:26:05,340 --> 00:26:07,220 S1: much with us, like my mom used to say. So 519 00:26:07,220 --> 00:26:09,380 S1: I'm glad this book is out there now, because you 520 00:26:09,380 --> 00:26:11,139 S1: just go back to the basics and I have to 521 00:26:11,140 --> 00:26:13,860 S1: tell you again, nothing new under the sun here, but 522 00:26:13,900 --> 00:26:17,139 S1: it all. It all just reminds us how important it 523 00:26:17,140 --> 00:26:19,659 S1: is to put these essentials back into place. So we 524 00:26:19,780 --> 00:26:23,220 S1: started first by boldly trusting in God's Word. That'll help 525 00:26:23,220 --> 00:26:27,659 S1: rekindle devotion. Then we're talking about rekindling dependence, total reliance 526 00:26:27,660 --> 00:26:31,540 S1: on God. And in the book you tell the story this, this. 527 00:26:31,580 --> 00:26:33,540 S1: And I love it because you challenge all of us 528 00:26:33,540 --> 00:26:35,580 S1: to stop and say, wait a minute. If God is 529 00:26:35,580 --> 00:26:37,459 S1: a God who can be trusted, just stop and do 530 00:26:37,460 --> 00:26:39,460 S1: what they did in the Old Testament. Put that stone 531 00:26:39,460 --> 00:26:42,379 S1: of remembrance down and remember where the Lord showed up 532 00:26:42,380 --> 00:26:45,020 S1: in a most miraculous way, where he caught you, where 533 00:26:45,020 --> 00:26:48,260 S1: he provided, where he saved you, where he brought you 534 00:26:48,300 --> 00:26:50,739 S1: out of darkness into the light and just ruminate on 535 00:26:50,740 --> 00:26:53,780 S1: those moments to remember again how much you can totally 536 00:26:53,780 --> 00:26:56,219 S1: rely on him. So you have a story in a 537 00:26:56,220 --> 00:26:58,939 S1: snowstorm and a car. And my stomach flipped when I 538 00:26:58,940 --> 00:27:00,500 S1: read this. Share this with our listeners. 539 00:27:01,460 --> 00:27:03,380 S7: Yeah, it was just a moment in our life. I 540 00:27:03,380 --> 00:27:06,780 S7: was a kid and we were taking a wonderful family 541 00:27:06,780 --> 00:27:10,220 S7: vacation to Colorado. So for a Texas boy, that's a 542 00:27:10,220 --> 00:27:11,820 S7: big deal. Get to go to the mountains and see 543 00:27:11,859 --> 00:27:14,379 S7: real snow, you know, things like that. And so we 544 00:27:14,380 --> 00:27:16,460 S7: were making the journey and it was, you know, long 545 00:27:16,460 --> 00:27:19,780 S7: before phones with radars and things like that. And we 546 00:27:19,820 --> 00:27:23,300 S7: got caught in a mega storm. And I'm talking about 547 00:27:23,300 --> 00:27:26,619 S7: one that shut down, you know, seriously kind of the 548 00:27:26,619 --> 00:27:30,780 S7: Panhandle and New Mexico for several days. But we didn't 549 00:27:30,780 --> 00:27:33,580 S7: know it when we were driving into this thing and 550 00:27:33,580 --> 00:27:36,980 S7: it hit and you couldn't see. And, you know, we're 551 00:27:36,980 --> 00:27:39,580 S7: stopping every so often and it's getting worse and worse. 552 00:27:39,619 --> 00:27:43,180 S7: And and bottom line is what happened is that, uh, 553 00:27:43,180 --> 00:27:47,380 S7: we were, uh, in our van and we were pulled 554 00:27:47,380 --> 00:27:50,379 S7: over and my dad had given me instructions. He said, hey, 555 00:27:50,380 --> 00:27:51,619 S7: I'm going to pull the car over. We got to 556 00:27:51,619 --> 00:27:54,140 S7: get out. We are trying to de-ice the window. It 557 00:27:54,140 --> 00:27:56,460 S7: was a total whiteout. You couldn't see lines on the highway. 558 00:27:56,460 --> 00:28:00,180 S7: You couldn't even see the highway. You could. Everything was white. And, um, 559 00:28:00,180 --> 00:28:02,740 S7: I can remember what happened is that my dad got 560 00:28:02,740 --> 00:28:07,300 S7: out of the car, and the van closes the door. 561 00:28:07,460 --> 00:28:12,540 S7: And immediately as the door closes, this 18 Wheeler really 562 00:28:12,540 --> 00:28:17,449 S7: sideswipes us, clips the window on the van And bust 563 00:28:17,450 --> 00:28:19,930 S7: the window off. And I mean, everybody screamed. We just 564 00:28:19,930 --> 00:28:21,810 S7: knew my dad had been hit. I mean, there was 565 00:28:21,810 --> 00:28:24,530 S7: just no doubt about it. I mean, everybody inside, I 566 00:28:24,530 --> 00:28:27,490 S7: hadn't got out of the vehicle yet. My sister screamed, 567 00:28:27,490 --> 00:28:31,450 S7: and I can remember my mom grabbing our hands and saying, 568 00:28:31,450 --> 00:28:34,050 S7: Dear father, give us strength. I mean, it was just 569 00:28:34,050 --> 00:28:39,170 S7: this quiet pause of knowing what had just happened. And 570 00:28:39,170 --> 00:28:41,530 S7: I can remember fumbling for the handle to kind of 571 00:28:41,570 --> 00:28:43,930 S7: face the tragedy. I'm getting out, and all of a 572 00:28:43,930 --> 00:28:47,530 S7: sudden the door swings open and my dad's standing there 573 00:28:47,530 --> 00:28:50,330 S7: completely unharmed. And, you know, he's like, well, are you 574 00:28:50,370 --> 00:28:52,490 S7: coming or not? I need your help. Get out. You know, 575 00:28:52,650 --> 00:28:55,330 S7: and we're all just I mean, we couldn't even move. 576 00:28:55,370 --> 00:28:57,410 S7: I mean, literally it was like, is this a ghost? 577 00:28:57,410 --> 00:28:59,610 S7: Is this a we know what had happened. I mean, 578 00:28:59,650 --> 00:29:03,050 S7: the mirror's gone on the car and we didn't even 579 00:29:03,050 --> 00:29:05,290 S7: know how to respond. Was he real? Was he, you know, 580 00:29:05,330 --> 00:29:08,090 S7: figment of our imagination? Was it a dream? We knew 581 00:29:08,130 --> 00:29:12,170 S7: he had just been obliterated. And to this day, we 582 00:29:12,170 --> 00:29:15,850 S7: are convinced that God did a miracle. My dad never 583 00:29:15,890 --> 00:29:20,130 S7: saw or heard the truck. Wow. Yeah. We couldn't explain the, 584 00:29:20,170 --> 00:29:23,010 S7: you know, the mirror getting wiped off. You know, I mean, 585 00:29:23,050 --> 00:29:27,690 S7: it's like, there it is. But somehow God did something special. 586 00:29:27,730 --> 00:29:30,410 S7: He did a miracle. I like phrasing it this way. 587 00:29:30,410 --> 00:29:33,210 S7: He flexed his muscle. And in that moment, he saved 588 00:29:33,210 --> 00:29:36,610 S7: my dad. We'll never forget it. Now, when I brought 589 00:29:36,610 --> 00:29:39,810 S7: that into the book to. To remind us that we've 590 00:29:39,810 --> 00:29:44,370 S7: all had these moments in our life where God is saying, hey, look, 591 00:29:44,370 --> 00:29:46,450 S7: I'm doing something special here. I need you to be 592 00:29:46,450 --> 00:29:48,450 S7: all in on this, because I need you to trust 593 00:29:48,450 --> 00:29:50,690 S7: me when things go your way. But I need you 594 00:29:50,690 --> 00:29:53,170 S7: to also trust me when things don't go your way 595 00:29:53,490 --> 00:29:57,810 S7: in the sovereign hand of God. Sometimes he allows things 596 00:29:57,810 --> 00:30:00,210 S7: that we wish he would not. And we all know that. 597 00:30:00,210 --> 00:30:03,330 S7: And we all have stories. But he also gives us 598 00:30:03,370 --> 00:30:06,410 S7: other miraculous stories to say, hey, if you can trust 599 00:30:06,410 --> 00:30:09,250 S7: me on the mountaintop, you better trust me in the valley. 600 00:30:09,690 --> 00:30:13,010 S7: And that's why this position of dependence. He's God and 601 00:30:13,010 --> 00:30:15,290 S7: we're not. And so it's good for us to all 602 00:30:15,330 --> 00:30:18,650 S7: remember our own stories, right? Because we all have stories 603 00:30:18,650 --> 00:30:21,770 S7: to tell. And that's God's little subtle whisper of saying, hey, 604 00:30:21,770 --> 00:30:22,850 S7: you keep trusting me. 605 00:30:23,090 --> 00:30:26,290 S1: Amen. Wow. Wow. Well, I trust me, friends, when I 606 00:30:26,290 --> 00:30:28,850 S1: tell you the entire book is not about vehicles, but 607 00:30:28,850 --> 00:30:30,890 S1: we're going to go to another vehicle story here because 608 00:30:30,890 --> 00:30:34,170 S1: it helps elucidate another one of those essentials. And it's 609 00:30:34,170 --> 00:30:39,930 S1: the essential of character, Christian character, rekindling holiness. Now, Doctor Yarbro, 610 00:30:39,970 --> 00:30:42,370 S1: this is an interesting topic because I know a lot. 611 00:30:42,410 --> 00:30:44,290 S1: I in fact, I'm quite sure there was a collective 612 00:30:44,330 --> 00:30:45,890 S1: groan out there that you and I could have heard, 613 00:30:45,890 --> 00:30:48,850 S1: but I'm sure it's there nonetheless. This idea of holiness, 614 00:30:48,890 --> 00:30:50,690 S1: you know, the Bible tells us to be holy as 615 00:30:50,690 --> 00:30:52,250 S1: he is holy. And a whole lot of people are going, 616 00:30:52,250 --> 00:30:54,530 S1: are you kidding? I can't make it five minutes before 617 00:30:54,530 --> 00:30:57,250 S1: I'm cognizant of my lack of holiness. I I've got 618 00:30:57,250 --> 00:30:59,890 S1: that Pauline problem where I want to do the things 619 00:30:59,890 --> 00:31:01,530 S1: I should do, but I don't. I do the things 620 00:31:01,530 --> 00:31:03,330 S1: I shouldn't do, and I don't want to do that. 621 00:31:03,330 --> 00:31:05,969 S1: So I've got this war going on between flesh and 622 00:31:05,970 --> 00:31:08,090 S1: spirit all the time. And how in the world am 623 00:31:08,090 --> 00:31:11,530 S1: I supposed to possibly be holy and in the process, 624 00:31:11,530 --> 00:31:14,730 S1: exemplify godly character. And yet you say that's one of 625 00:31:14,730 --> 00:31:16,690 S1: the essentials. Before I get to the story of the 626 00:31:16,690 --> 00:31:20,570 S1: moving truck, which was so excellent. Um, talk to me 627 00:31:20,570 --> 00:31:23,130 S1: about this idea of holiness. Is it? I mean, we 628 00:31:23,130 --> 00:31:24,850 S1: have a father who said that we're not supposed to 629 00:31:24,890 --> 00:31:28,290 S1: frustrate children. Dad, don't frustrate your children. So therefore, it 630 00:31:28,290 --> 00:31:31,850 S1: tells me that my Heavenly father doesn't try to frustrate me. 631 00:31:32,090 --> 00:31:33,930 S1: So if he gives me the directive to be holy 632 00:31:33,930 --> 00:31:37,209 S1: as he is holy, it must be obtainable. Maybe for 633 00:31:37,210 --> 00:31:39,450 S1: a moment, maybe for a short period of time. But 634 00:31:39,450 --> 00:31:41,850 S1: he wouldn't ask me to do something if I was 635 00:31:41,850 --> 00:31:44,010 S1: never designed to be able to do that. Talk to 636 00:31:44,010 --> 00:31:46,130 S1: me about this is the standard of holiness beyond the 637 00:31:46,130 --> 00:31:47,090 S1: reach of the believer. 638 00:31:47,650 --> 00:31:50,450 S7: I mean, the the answer to that in many ways is, 639 00:31:50,570 --> 00:31:52,410 S7: I mean, it sounds like I'm speaking out of two 640 00:31:52,410 --> 00:31:54,250 S7: sides of my mouth. It's a yes and a no 641 00:31:54,690 --> 00:31:57,530 S7: in this sense. Right? We will never, ever be in 642 00:31:57,530 --> 00:32:01,130 S7: this fallen, broken world. Um, we will never match the 643 00:32:01,130 --> 00:32:03,410 S7: character of God. Let's just call that what it is. 644 00:32:03,410 --> 00:32:08,250 S7: We're sinful creatures. We know that we have problems. We are. 645 00:32:08,250 --> 00:32:12,530 S7: Our DNA is is messed up through and through. I mean, 646 00:32:12,570 --> 00:32:14,210 S7: it is a sin problem that goes all the way 647 00:32:14,210 --> 00:32:17,490 S7: back to Genesis three. But what God has revealed about 648 00:32:17,490 --> 00:32:20,090 S7: himself again, I'm going to go back to that statement 649 00:32:20,090 --> 00:32:24,650 S7: that his ways are right and holy and pure, and 650 00:32:24,650 --> 00:32:28,450 S7: they are for our good, and we are to emulate 651 00:32:28,490 --> 00:32:34,170 S7: what God Himself models for us. And so, because we 652 00:32:34,170 --> 00:32:37,890 S7: can't fully do it, is no excuse for us to 653 00:32:38,130 --> 00:32:43,890 S7: not strive after who God is and his holy character. 654 00:32:44,290 --> 00:32:46,650 S7: And so I think that, you know, we have a 655 00:32:46,650 --> 00:32:50,450 S7: lot of admonitions in Scripture of and that's why in 656 00:32:50,450 --> 00:32:53,090 S7: one sense, in the book, I really try to talk about, 657 00:32:53,130 --> 00:32:57,290 S7: you know, having excellence in our character. And you saw 658 00:32:57,290 --> 00:32:59,410 S7: how I kind of phrase that in the book of 659 00:32:59,410 --> 00:33:04,050 S7: excellence in our character, of how we how we carry ourselves, 660 00:33:04,050 --> 00:33:08,490 S7: our life, how we do our work, how we raise 661 00:33:08,490 --> 00:33:12,210 S7: our children, how we live in our community, all these 662 00:33:12,210 --> 00:33:16,530 S7: things God has given us ways to be intentional about 663 00:33:16,530 --> 00:33:20,010 S7: displaying him, even though we're never going to do it perfectly, 664 00:33:20,210 --> 00:33:24,850 S7: but about doing it in a way that reflects God's character, 665 00:33:24,890 --> 00:33:27,690 S7: not our sin nature. There you go. 666 00:33:27,930 --> 00:33:31,730 S1: Wow. That's superb. And you also say that sometimes God 667 00:33:31,730 --> 00:33:34,970 S1: has to rattle our cage to get our attention. And 668 00:33:34,970 --> 00:33:37,250 S1: let me tell my friends, obviously, Doctor Yarbrough is a 669 00:33:37,250 --> 00:33:39,410 S1: superb Bible teacher, but I also love the inclusion of 670 00:33:39,410 --> 00:33:42,970 S1: personal stories because it means that you have not only ethos, 671 00:33:42,970 --> 00:33:45,090 S1: but you have pathos. If these are lessons that God 672 00:33:45,090 --> 00:33:47,890 S1: has taught you as well, and you can tell us 673 00:33:47,890 --> 00:33:49,890 S1: what God taught you, we have the privilege of sitting 674 00:33:49,890 --> 00:33:52,010 S1: in your classroom and learning through you when you have 675 00:33:52,010 --> 00:33:54,969 S1: those experiences. So thank you for including them in the book. 676 00:33:55,330 --> 00:33:57,330 S1: So you had a rough year. You're in kind of 677 00:33:57,370 --> 00:34:00,730 S1: a spiritual, dry place yourself and you're moving. It's the 678 00:34:00,730 --> 00:34:04,650 S1: spring of 2002 and you need a rental truck. Tell 679 00:34:04,650 --> 00:34:06,490 S1: me the story. It's so good in the book. 680 00:34:06,850 --> 00:34:09,609 S7: Yeah, And I can't do justice to it in a 681 00:34:09,610 --> 00:34:12,649 S7: in a short window here. But the story is that 682 00:34:12,650 --> 00:34:14,930 S7: we had rented a U-Haul truck, and, you know, I 683 00:34:14,930 --> 00:34:17,130 S7: was I had no money and I had a friend. And, 684 00:34:17,130 --> 00:34:19,609 S7: you know, how many of us have moved? He's like, hey, 685 00:34:19,610 --> 00:34:21,689 S7: I need you. Can you help me? You know, and 686 00:34:21,690 --> 00:34:25,890 S7: so we had this all worked out to move. And, um, 687 00:34:26,010 --> 00:34:29,250 S7: bottom line is that I, I went to U-Haul, and 688 00:34:29,250 --> 00:34:32,489 S7: I'm not picking on U-Haul, and, um, although I'm going 689 00:34:32,530 --> 00:34:35,049 S7: to pick on U-Haul. I'll get letters for this. Oh, boy. 690 00:34:35,050 --> 00:34:37,330 S7: Here we go. Um, I already blew it. I wasn't 691 00:34:37,330 --> 00:34:39,890 S7: supposed to mention their name, but anyway, I had this 692 00:34:39,890 --> 00:34:43,129 S7: truck that I rented from a company. How about that? And, um, 693 00:34:43,130 --> 00:34:49,130 S7: it wasn't the one that I had ordered to get. And, um, anyway, 694 00:34:49,130 --> 00:34:51,650 S7: I had, I picked up this truck and it had 695 00:34:51,650 --> 00:34:53,730 S7: all these problems, and they told me about it. They 696 00:34:53,730 --> 00:34:56,529 S7: said it shakes a little bit, it doesn't run the smoothest. 697 00:34:56,530 --> 00:35:00,009 S7: And so I took off anyway. And, and we, we 698 00:35:00,050 --> 00:35:02,730 S7: had a great day actually. Lord was very kind and 699 00:35:02,730 --> 00:35:04,930 S7: we moved all of our stuff and well, it was 700 00:35:04,930 --> 00:35:08,049 S7: just me and I needed to return the truck. And 701 00:35:08,090 --> 00:35:10,170 S7: on the way back. I have no other way to 702 00:35:10,210 --> 00:35:12,930 S7: explain it to you other than the truck blew up. 703 00:35:12,969 --> 00:35:15,969 S7: I mean, it exploded. And I mean, I coasted over 704 00:35:16,010 --> 00:35:19,410 S7: on the side of the road, and there I was. And, um, 705 00:35:19,410 --> 00:35:21,969 S7: I didn't have a phone with me. I'd left it 706 00:35:21,969 --> 00:35:23,569 S7: at the house. And so this was back in the 707 00:35:23,570 --> 00:35:25,210 S7: day where, you know, that was a big deal. So 708 00:35:25,210 --> 00:35:28,090 S7: I had a calling card. Janet, do you remember calling cards? 709 00:35:28,130 --> 00:35:28,609 S1: Yes, I. 710 00:35:28,610 --> 00:35:30,930 S7: Do remember where you could go. These thing called payphones. 711 00:35:30,930 --> 00:35:34,049 S7: They have them at the Smithsonian these days. Anyway, so 712 00:35:34,050 --> 00:35:36,129 S7: I ran across the highway and I went into this 713 00:35:36,130 --> 00:35:39,489 S7: place that was called Uncle Herman's Club. How's that for 714 00:35:39,489 --> 00:35:43,690 S7: a setup? And, uh, they had attached to it, you know, this, 715 00:35:43,690 --> 00:35:46,810 S7: this mini warehouses. And so I was asking them for, 716 00:35:47,050 --> 00:35:48,969 S7: you know, is there a payphone that I can get? 717 00:35:49,010 --> 00:35:51,090 S7: And I had the calling card, so I went and 718 00:35:51,290 --> 00:35:53,489 S7: and there was a payphone, and it was. It was this. 719 00:35:53,530 --> 00:35:55,089 S7: It was a part of town you didn't want to 720 00:35:55,090 --> 00:35:57,330 S7: be in. And it was rough. And, you know, think 721 00:35:57,330 --> 00:36:00,290 S7: of a blinking light. I mean, it's just horrible. And 722 00:36:00,290 --> 00:36:03,089 S7: I'm sitting there and punching all my numbers at a payphone, 723 00:36:03,410 --> 00:36:06,490 S7: and I'm telling you, there was an arm that slid 724 00:36:06,489 --> 00:36:10,810 S7: around my neck. And I'll never forget these words it said. 725 00:36:11,090 --> 00:36:13,850 S7: Hey there, big fella. You know, and I turned around 726 00:36:14,050 --> 00:36:16,490 S7: and there were two women of the street there. And 727 00:36:16,489 --> 00:36:18,089 S7: I hear we're coming up on a break, but I'm 728 00:36:18,090 --> 00:36:20,250 S7: going to leave us hanging there. We'll have to finish 729 00:36:20,250 --> 00:36:21,129 S7: it when we come back. 730 00:36:21,170 --> 00:36:23,330 S1: Seriously, you would have thought we rehearsed it to end 731 00:36:23,330 --> 00:36:25,530 S1: it at that point, to keep you hanging on. There 732 00:36:25,530 --> 00:36:28,450 S1: is so much more to the story, but remember, contextualize this. 733 00:36:28,489 --> 00:36:32,649 S1: This is about holy character, about honoring him. We're going 734 00:36:32,690 --> 00:36:34,689 S1: to be back with doctor Mark Yarbrough and the rest 735 00:36:34,690 --> 00:36:57,770 S1: of the story. Back after this. We are talking about 736 00:36:57,770 --> 00:37:01,170 S1: six essentials for Reviving Your Faith with doctor Mark Yarbrough, 737 00:37:01,170 --> 00:37:04,489 S1: who's written the book The Rekindled heart and we've looked 738 00:37:04,489 --> 00:37:08,250 S1: at rekindled devotion by trusting in God's Word, rekindled dependence. 739 00:37:08,250 --> 00:37:10,890 S1: We have total reliance on God. We didn't talk about, 740 00:37:10,890 --> 00:37:14,609 S1: but it's there rekindled love, authentic compassion for others. And 741 00:37:14,610 --> 00:37:18,529 S1: we've stopped at rekindled holiness, excellence in character. And when 742 00:37:18,530 --> 00:37:20,969 S1: last we met, it was a moving day and he 743 00:37:20,969 --> 00:37:22,770 S1: had a truck. What he writes about in the book 744 00:37:22,770 --> 00:37:25,090 S1: but didn't share with you is he wanted an 18 footer, 745 00:37:25,090 --> 00:37:27,370 S1: wasn't there? He got a 24 footer and it slipped 746 00:37:27,370 --> 00:37:29,690 S1: out of second on a regular basis, which is probably 747 00:37:29,690 --> 00:37:32,049 S1: why he was sitting in the back where nobody was 748 00:37:32,050 --> 00:37:35,410 S1: using it. Long story short, it blows up. He needs help. 749 00:37:35,410 --> 00:37:39,770 S1: He goes to a well, a place called Uncle Herman's Club. Uh, 750 00:37:39,810 --> 00:37:43,450 S1: it's right next to, um, mini warehouses. It's a sleaze 751 00:37:43,450 --> 00:37:46,649 S1: bucket motel. And two, uh, women of the street come 752 00:37:46,650 --> 00:37:49,930 S1: up and say the words. Hey there, big fella. Now, remember, 753 00:37:49,969 --> 00:37:53,609 S1: this is a pastor, okay? And these two women of 754 00:37:53,610 --> 00:37:56,489 S1: the streets have now saddled up to him. This is 755 00:37:56,489 --> 00:37:59,050 S1: germane to the idea of seeking holiness. Pick up the story. 756 00:37:59,050 --> 00:38:00,490 S1: If you'd be so kind from there. 757 00:38:01,210 --> 00:38:03,609 S7: Well, I can remember just being in shock, you know? 758 00:38:03,650 --> 00:38:06,290 S7: There I am, standing with two of my new closest friends. Right. 759 00:38:06,290 --> 00:38:08,370 S7: And I'm kind of there in the moment. And I 760 00:38:08,370 --> 00:38:11,090 S7: can remember I was like, ah, don't touch me, you know? 761 00:38:11,210 --> 00:38:13,650 S7: And I didn't know what to do. And as I 762 00:38:13,690 --> 00:38:16,450 S7: said this, they kind of leaned past me and looked 763 00:38:16,450 --> 00:38:18,730 S7: behind me. And I can remember looking backwards like, what 764 00:38:18,730 --> 00:38:21,290 S7: are they looking at? Well, coming at us, we're we're 765 00:38:21,330 --> 00:38:25,609 S7: two Dallas police officers. And in my naivety, I can 766 00:38:25,610 --> 00:38:29,090 S7: remember thinking, well, finally we've got help, you know, and 767 00:38:29,210 --> 00:38:31,489 S7: and I didn't realize what the scene looked like. And 768 00:38:31,489 --> 00:38:33,650 S7: so they walked up and I'll never forget the words 769 00:38:33,650 --> 00:38:36,129 S7: they said, Janet. I mean, they literally said the words 770 00:38:36,130 --> 00:38:38,250 S7: that you hear on television all the time. And they said, 771 00:38:38,410 --> 00:38:41,210 S7: everybody put your hands up against the wall, you know? 772 00:38:41,250 --> 00:38:44,850 S7: And I'm sitting there going, you know, I'm hyperventilating and 773 00:38:44,850 --> 00:38:48,570 S7: I'm trembling and, you know, my life's flashing before my eyes. 774 00:38:48,570 --> 00:38:50,969 S7: I just started a new job at Dallas Seminary, and 775 00:38:50,969 --> 00:38:52,770 S7: I'm thinking, you know, I can see this right now. 776 00:38:52,770 --> 00:38:54,970 S7: I'm going to be on the front page of the report, 777 00:38:55,010 --> 00:38:57,049 S7: you know, I mean, it's like, here is Mark Yarbrough. 778 00:38:57,090 --> 00:38:59,650 S7: My life is over. How do I explain this to Jennifer? 779 00:38:59,690 --> 00:39:01,810 S7: And I mean, it was just like. And so I 780 00:39:01,810 --> 00:39:04,009 S7: can remember the police officer standing there, and I made 781 00:39:04,010 --> 00:39:07,450 S7: the horrible decision of trying to explain to him, you know, 782 00:39:07,610 --> 00:39:10,170 S7: and so I, you know, I started saying, I'm a 783 00:39:10,170 --> 00:39:13,370 S7: pastor and I work, I work at Dallas Theological Seminary. 784 00:39:13,410 --> 00:39:16,250 S7: I'm sure I was crying and I can remember he said, oh, yeah, 785 00:39:16,290 --> 00:39:18,129 S7: I've heard that one before. And of course that gave 786 00:39:18,130 --> 00:39:20,049 S7: me pause. And I was like, from whom have you 787 00:39:20,050 --> 00:39:22,730 S7: heard that before? And so, I mean, this the whole 788 00:39:22,730 --> 00:39:25,049 S7: story is just spinning out of control. And I put 789 00:39:25,050 --> 00:39:27,770 S7: my hand in my pocket, which is never a good idea. 790 00:39:28,210 --> 00:39:30,370 S7: And I was trying to explain to him. And so 791 00:39:30,370 --> 00:39:33,370 S7: here's what ended up happening, is that he cuffs these 792 00:39:33,370 --> 00:39:36,089 S7: two ladies. Apparently he had had a run in with 793 00:39:36,090 --> 00:39:39,450 S7: him before, and we go outside, he throws them in 794 00:39:39,450 --> 00:39:41,689 S7: the back of the car and I'm left standing there. 795 00:39:41,690 --> 00:39:44,009 S7: I had previously called my dad right before this whole 796 00:39:44,010 --> 00:39:47,210 S7: episode goes down, and he comes by and picks me 797 00:39:47,210 --> 00:39:48,649 S7: up and he looks at me and he's like, what's 798 00:39:48,650 --> 00:39:50,169 S7: the matter with you? Get in the car. Let's go. 799 00:39:50,210 --> 00:39:52,009 S7: And you know, I was like, you have no idea 800 00:39:52,010 --> 00:39:55,890 S7: what just happened. Well, here's what occurred through that moment, 801 00:39:55,890 --> 00:39:58,089 S7: and this is what marked me forever. So I ended 802 00:39:58,090 --> 00:40:02,160 S7: up having this dialogue with the company that owned the truck, 803 00:40:02,160 --> 00:40:06,759 S7: who remains nameless and, and, um, and they wanted me 804 00:40:06,760 --> 00:40:09,800 S7: to file a form. They had made a mistake because I, 805 00:40:09,800 --> 00:40:13,799 S7: I had eventually turned it in and they had issued 806 00:40:13,840 --> 00:40:16,800 S7: a warrant for my arrest for thinking I had stolen 807 00:40:16,800 --> 00:40:22,240 S7: the truck. They didn't file it appropriately. It's this big saga. And, um, 808 00:40:22,360 --> 00:40:25,799 S7: so I had an opportunity. They messed up, and I 809 00:40:25,800 --> 00:40:29,080 S7: had an opportunity to, you know, file a grievance that 810 00:40:29,080 --> 00:40:33,520 S7: would have got somebody at the company fired. And and 811 00:40:33,520 --> 00:40:37,880 S7: that individual ended up calling me in my office at 812 00:40:37,880 --> 00:40:41,439 S7: the seminary, and I didn't want to do it. I 813 00:40:41,440 --> 00:40:44,080 S7: never filed that form. And I was ended up talking 814 00:40:44,080 --> 00:40:47,080 S7: with this individual. And I'm telling you, here's what ended 815 00:40:47,080 --> 00:40:51,080 S7: up happening in the long story short, is that God 816 00:40:51,120 --> 00:40:55,680 S7: had used that crazy moment in my life to be 817 00:40:55,719 --> 00:40:58,399 S7: able to get the gospel to that man I am. 818 00:40:58,520 --> 00:41:02,560 S7: I went down to that station and talked to that guy, 819 00:41:03,000 --> 00:41:05,520 S7: and there's a whole bunch more to this story that 820 00:41:05,520 --> 00:41:09,279 S7: I could spend hours on, and it took me to 821 00:41:09,320 --> 00:41:14,480 S7: get kind of slapped upside the head. Have some inconveniences 822 00:41:14,480 --> 00:41:17,800 S7: and crazy moments in my life for God to get 823 00:41:17,800 --> 00:41:19,799 S7: me to that man, because I had the privilege of 824 00:41:19,800 --> 00:41:22,959 S7: sharing the gospel with him and with his wife, and 825 00:41:22,960 --> 00:41:26,120 S7: watching them come to faith. And back to our topic 826 00:41:26,120 --> 00:41:29,239 S7: of excellence and character. What I realized is that, you know, 827 00:41:29,280 --> 00:41:30,919 S7: so many times in our lives we have these little 828 00:41:30,920 --> 00:41:34,600 S7: pity parties, right? We all do. And and I realized 829 00:41:34,600 --> 00:41:39,239 S7: that sometimes in the inconveniences, God is moving us, he 830 00:41:39,239 --> 00:41:43,359 S7: never stops pursuing us and offering us opportunities to have 831 00:41:43,360 --> 00:41:46,720 S7: our own faith renewed and to extend it to others. 832 00:41:46,719 --> 00:41:50,440 S7: And sometimes he does that in these incredibly trying circumstances. 833 00:41:50,719 --> 00:41:53,000 S7: And so that's what God taught me out of that moment. 834 00:41:53,040 --> 00:41:55,560 S7: And that's one of a thousand stories in my life 835 00:41:55,680 --> 00:41:58,120 S7: and in the lives of everybody where God is. I 836 00:41:58,120 --> 00:41:59,200 S7: really believe at work. 837 00:41:59,520 --> 00:42:02,680 S1: Wow. But it it's a perfect segue. And you don't 838 00:42:02,680 --> 00:42:04,239 S1: do it in this order in the book, but it's 839 00:42:04,239 --> 00:42:07,040 S1: a perfect segue in an hour that's going far too quickly, 840 00:42:07,239 --> 00:42:10,520 S1: because there's one other aspect. Rekindled zeal. I love that word, 841 00:42:10,520 --> 00:42:12,920 S1: by the way. My life verses. Hebrews 12 one through 842 00:42:13,000 --> 00:42:16,720 S1: three that running with zeal. Some translations say perseverance, but 843 00:42:16,840 --> 00:42:18,960 S1: that when I when I came to the Lord as 844 00:42:18,960 --> 00:42:20,480 S1: a young person. But I thought, that's what I want 845 00:42:20,520 --> 00:42:22,920 S1: to do. Coach, don't bench me. I want to stay 846 00:42:22,920 --> 00:42:25,359 S1: in the game. I want to run with zeal. And 847 00:42:25,360 --> 00:42:27,319 S1: that's why I love that verse so much. But the 848 00:42:27,320 --> 00:42:31,040 S1: core of this principle is the idea about really having 849 00:42:31,040 --> 00:42:33,640 S1: a burden for the world again. Doctor Yarbrough, I don't 850 00:42:33,640 --> 00:42:35,919 S1: know if it's an age thing or what, but boy, 851 00:42:35,920 --> 00:42:37,879 S1: I was raised as a kid in the church that 852 00:42:37,880 --> 00:42:39,759 S1: when we walked out the door, we walked under a 853 00:42:39,760 --> 00:42:43,120 S1: sign that says, you're now entering your mission field. You don't. 854 00:42:43,160 --> 00:42:45,680 S1: We have to learn to love the lost. They're not 855 00:42:45,680 --> 00:42:47,760 S1: the enemy. They've been caught in the snare of the enemy. 856 00:42:47,760 --> 00:42:50,399 S1: Be in Washington like I have for decades. You'll learn 857 00:42:50,400 --> 00:42:53,279 S1: that as you real quickly. They're not the enemy. They're 858 00:42:53,280 --> 00:42:56,239 S1: just blind. They they can't see. It's like someone said 859 00:42:56,239 --> 00:42:58,279 S1: once when a blind man steps on your toe, make 860 00:42:58,280 --> 00:42:59,920 S1: them say you're sorry they didn't even see your foot. 861 00:42:59,960 --> 00:43:02,680 S1: How can they apologize? So how do we get back 862 00:43:02,719 --> 00:43:05,200 S1: this burden for the loss? Because in a country that's 863 00:43:05,200 --> 00:43:07,840 S1: cracking right down the middle, a lot of finger pointing, 864 00:43:07,840 --> 00:43:11,520 S1: it's us and them. How do we rekindle that desire? 865 00:43:11,560 --> 00:43:14,600 S1: That if he's willing, that all should come to repentance, 866 00:43:14,600 --> 00:43:17,480 S1: then no one would perish. That should be our mission statement. 867 00:43:17,480 --> 00:43:18,560 S1: How do we get that back? 868 00:43:19,320 --> 00:43:22,360 S7: Well, I would say this very succinctly. We have to 869 00:43:22,360 --> 00:43:25,719 S7: remember that we ourselves are saved by grace through faith 870 00:43:25,719 --> 00:43:29,400 S7: in Christ, right? That we don't deserve what God has 871 00:43:29,400 --> 00:43:33,319 S7: extended to us. When we focus on what God has 872 00:43:33,320 --> 00:43:37,880 S7: done for us, we realize that we are under mandate 873 00:43:38,000 --> 00:43:41,520 S7: to offer that to others. And you're exactly right, Janet. 874 00:43:41,520 --> 00:43:44,800 S7: When we realize that individuals that do not know the Lord, 875 00:43:44,840 --> 00:43:47,759 S7: they're not the enemy. They've been captured by the enemy. 876 00:43:48,280 --> 00:43:52,840 S7: That that transforms our focus and our purpose of how 877 00:43:52,840 --> 00:43:55,560 S7: we are supposed to extend that grace to others. 878 00:43:55,760 --> 00:43:59,040 S1: Yeah. Exactly right. Oh, my. And I didn't even get 879 00:43:59,040 --> 00:44:00,960 S1: to all six principles. But I told you, friends from 880 00:44:00,960 --> 00:44:02,879 S1: the beginning, I wouldn't do that. And I've just got 881 00:44:02,880 --> 00:44:06,160 S1: you thinking, I hope, about getting that fire back in. 882 00:44:06,200 --> 00:44:09,319 S1: And personal relationship with Jesus Christ. Doctor Yarborough's book does 883 00:44:09,320 --> 00:44:12,280 S1: a marvelous job of going back to the basics. He's 884 00:44:12,280 --> 00:44:16,160 S1: replete with Bible stories, study of Bible characters. The six 885 00:44:16,160 --> 00:44:19,600 S1: essentials that will really revive your faith. So in my classroom, 886 00:44:19,600 --> 00:44:21,000 S1: you hear me say this all the time. This would 887 00:44:21,000 --> 00:44:23,719 S1: be required reading. Just please read it. Especially if you 888 00:44:23,719 --> 00:44:27,040 S1: find yourself in one of those spiritual deserts you've kind 889 00:44:27,040 --> 00:44:29,600 S1: of turned off, you've cooled down, the lights aren't on 890 00:44:29,600 --> 00:44:32,359 S1: like they used to be before, and that zeal is 891 00:44:32,360 --> 00:44:34,279 S1: not there like it used to be. This book, I 892 00:44:34,320 --> 00:44:37,320 S1: guarantee you, will rekindle that fire, so check it out again. 893 00:44:37,320 --> 00:44:41,120 S1: It's called the Rekindled Heart six essentials for Reviving Your Faith. 894 00:44:41,160 --> 00:44:44,359 S1: Doctor Yarborough, thank you for an outstanding conversation and I 895 00:44:44,360 --> 00:44:47,080 S1: really do appreciate all you teaching us. Thank you so much. 896 00:44:47,120 --> 00:44:48,320 S1: We'll see you next time, friends.