1 00:00:05,920 --> 00:00:08,600 S1: If you need some encouragement today. If you need to 2 00:00:08,640 --> 00:00:12,000 S1: know that no matter what you're going through, God is near. 3 00:00:12,000 --> 00:00:14,600 S1: And in fact, he's in the middle of that struggle, 4 00:00:14,760 --> 00:00:18,160 S1: that trial, that difficult time you're having. Then you need 5 00:00:18,160 --> 00:00:20,560 S1: to hear from the heart of Tim Timmons today, and 6 00:00:20,560 --> 00:00:23,239 S1: you'll do that at the radio backyard fence. Welcome to 7 00:00:23,280 --> 00:00:25,480 S1: Chris Farrell live program. From the heart to the heart 8 00:00:25,480 --> 00:00:28,360 S1: for the heart. Tim has an X on his wrist today, 9 00:00:28,800 --> 00:00:31,280 S1: which he wakes up every day and puts there. And 10 00:00:31,280 --> 00:00:35,080 S1: he has a 10,000 minute challenge for you. And we're 11 00:00:35,080 --> 00:00:36,839 S1: going to hear about that. And we have some of 12 00:00:36,840 --> 00:00:39,760 S1: his music for you as well. He believes grief and 13 00:00:39,760 --> 00:00:44,280 S1: gratitude can not only coexist, but help change us from 14 00:00:44,280 --> 00:00:48,120 S1: the inside out, help mature us, and make us into 15 00:00:48,159 --> 00:00:51,720 S1: who God wants us to be. Do you believe that? 16 00:00:52,240 --> 00:00:54,560 S1: Let me begin with some gratitude first to our team. 17 00:00:54,560 --> 00:00:57,880 S1: Ryan McConaughey doing all things technical. Trish is our producer. Laura. 18 00:00:57,880 --> 00:01:00,590 S1: He's helping out. Josh will be answering your calls and 19 00:01:00,590 --> 00:01:03,350 S1: to the team behind the scenes who support us so 20 00:01:03,350 --> 00:01:06,510 S1: that we can have conversations like these. 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He spent more than 20 42 00:02:17,450 --> 00:02:21,329 S1: years in ministry writing from the pain of life, cancer, 43 00:02:21,370 --> 00:02:25,850 S1: hope in Jesus, the joy he's found in 10,080 minutes 44 00:02:25,850 --> 00:02:28,730 S1: that he's given each week. His story is partly told 45 00:02:28,730 --> 00:02:32,210 S1: in the film I Can Only Imagine two still in theaters, 46 00:02:32,650 --> 00:02:35,410 S1: and we are featuring his new book written with his 47 00:02:35,410 --> 00:02:38,730 S1: wife Hillary, who he tells me is the best part 48 00:02:38,730 --> 00:02:41,769 S1: of that book. And I like him. I like both 49 00:02:41,770 --> 00:02:44,130 S1: of them. The book came out two days ago. It's 50 00:02:44,130 --> 00:02:48,570 S1: titled Waking Up Again A Journey of Grief and Gratitude. 51 00:02:48,730 --> 00:02:50,489 S1: Tim Timmons, how are you doing today? 52 00:02:51,050 --> 00:02:53,290 S2: Great. I just want to see if you can, I 53 00:02:53,290 --> 00:02:55,610 S2: don't know, call me every morning with that. That would 54 00:02:55,650 --> 00:02:58,040 S2: be super helpful. Just so I can feel better about 55 00:02:58,040 --> 00:02:58,600 S2: my life. 56 00:02:58,840 --> 00:03:01,519 S1: There you go. Okay. So tell me about. Let's. Let's start. 57 00:03:01,560 --> 00:03:03,520 S1: Let's jump in with the X on the wrist. That's 58 00:03:03,520 --> 00:03:05,400 S1: one of the things that people will know you by. 59 00:03:05,440 --> 00:03:06,160 S1: Why do you do that? 60 00:03:06,200 --> 00:03:11,280 S2: Yep. Uh, yeah. The X stands for, uh, The Christ. 61 00:03:11,320 --> 00:03:15,000 S2: Years ago, the X stood for the Christ. And, uh, 62 00:03:15,000 --> 00:03:16,760 S2: I just got into this place where I used to 63 00:03:16,760 --> 00:03:20,320 S2: work for God my whole life. Um, I worked for God. 64 00:03:20,320 --> 00:03:23,080 S2: It was like I would evangelize forum. I would write 65 00:03:23,080 --> 00:03:26,360 S2: songs for him. I'd lead people in worship. I'd be 66 00:03:26,360 --> 00:03:31,320 S2: kind to people for God. Um, gosh, everything was like 67 00:03:31,360 --> 00:03:35,440 S2: for God. And at some point, I just got exhausted. 68 00:03:35,440 --> 00:03:38,760 S2: My soul was exhausted for working for God for so 69 00:03:38,760 --> 00:03:42,960 S2: long and so intentionally. And I know it sounds wild, 70 00:03:42,960 --> 00:03:46,560 S2: so I quit working for God. I'm like, I'm so 71 00:03:46,600 --> 00:03:48,960 S2: done working for you. I will actually never work for 72 00:03:48,960 --> 00:03:52,160 S2: you again. I will now, just for the rest of 73 00:03:52,160 --> 00:03:55,240 S2: my days. I will join you in anything you're doing. So, Jesus, 74 00:03:55,240 --> 00:03:58,180 S2: if you open doors that are best for your kingdom, 75 00:03:58,180 --> 00:04:01,100 S2: not mine, I will walk through that. And so I 76 00:04:01,100 --> 00:04:03,260 S2: just started writing this on my wrist, going, okay, I 77 00:04:03,300 --> 00:04:07,980 S2: woke up again and Jesus, um, what do you have today? Like, 78 00:04:08,020 --> 00:04:10,260 S2: if you know what's best for your kingdom and I don't, 79 00:04:10,780 --> 00:04:13,540 S2: then I'm just going to join you in this day. 80 00:04:13,780 --> 00:04:16,380 S2: So that's really that was the impetus. And then also 81 00:04:16,380 --> 00:04:19,020 S2: just to throw this out there, um, I was given 82 00:04:19,020 --> 00:04:24,380 S2: five years to live 25 years ago, um, incurable cancer 83 00:04:24,380 --> 00:04:27,740 S2: stage four back then. And it still is. I still 84 00:04:27,740 --> 00:04:29,860 S2: have four. I've got still tumors on my on my 85 00:04:29,860 --> 00:04:33,340 S2: liver wearing out my heart today. And so part of 86 00:04:33,339 --> 00:04:35,660 S2: it is like I get to practice joining Jesus. And 87 00:04:35,660 --> 00:04:37,540 S2: the other part is Jesus. You woke me up again. 88 00:04:37,540 --> 00:04:39,860 S2: I shouldn't be here today, but for some reason, you 89 00:04:39,900 --> 00:04:42,660 S2: woke me up. So, uh, what do you have today? 90 00:04:42,660 --> 00:04:44,779 S2: So that's really the reason behind the X. 91 00:04:45,300 --> 00:04:49,860 S1: Why do you think God has given you 25 years 92 00:04:49,860 --> 00:04:51,860 S1: when others didn't get five? 93 00:04:52,580 --> 00:04:55,729 S2: Yeah, that's such a great question. I have no clue. 94 00:04:55,770 --> 00:04:58,370 S2: I there are so many friends of mine who are 95 00:04:58,370 --> 00:05:01,650 S2: not here anymore that, uh, had way more faith than 96 00:05:01,650 --> 00:05:05,450 S2: I did do, and did, um, they were better humans 97 00:05:05,450 --> 00:05:08,810 S2: than I. Um, I don't know, they're just better in 98 00:05:08,810 --> 00:05:11,410 S2: all ways yet. They're not here today. I don't understand 99 00:05:11,410 --> 00:05:13,850 S2: why I woke up. It's not like because I'm man, 100 00:05:13,850 --> 00:05:16,210 S2: I've done my quiet time every day, and I'm really 101 00:05:16,210 --> 00:05:18,170 S2: amazing at that. And that's why God's kept me. I 102 00:05:18,170 --> 00:05:21,650 S2: don't know why. All I know is he has. And 103 00:05:21,650 --> 00:05:25,570 S2: for whatever reason, Tim Timmons is bald. Whatever guy got 104 00:05:25,570 --> 00:05:29,530 S2: to wake up again today and I get to just 105 00:05:29,529 --> 00:05:31,730 S2: join Jesus and the cool things he's doing. And if 106 00:05:31,730 --> 00:05:35,050 S2: he wakes me up again tomorrow and I will put 107 00:05:35,050 --> 00:05:38,530 S2: another Sharpie X on my wrist tomorrow morning saying, Jesus, 108 00:05:38,529 --> 00:05:41,409 S2: thanks for another day. Um, whatever I get to lean 109 00:05:41,410 --> 00:05:43,690 S2: into in the midst of my grief and gratitude, I 110 00:05:43,690 --> 00:05:46,210 S2: will join you today. So I don't know why he's 111 00:05:46,210 --> 00:05:49,130 S2: kept me here, but I'm here and so I might 112 00:05:49,130 --> 00:05:50,130 S2: as well just join him. 113 00:05:50,770 --> 00:05:55,760 S1: I really resonate with that four verses from you know, 114 00:05:55,800 --> 00:05:56,080 S1: you can. 115 00:05:56,080 --> 00:05:56,600 S2: Do things. 116 00:05:56,640 --> 00:06:00,159 S1: For God or to God. Yeah. In order to get 117 00:06:00,160 --> 00:06:03,760 S1: the please like me, you know, please forgive me. If 118 00:06:03,760 --> 00:06:05,920 S1: I do enough, you'll forgive me. And it's like when 119 00:06:05,920 --> 00:06:09,400 S1: you realize there is he loves you just as much 120 00:06:09,400 --> 00:06:12,479 S1: as he did yesterday as he does today. You can't 121 00:06:12,480 --> 00:06:17,400 S1: perform for him. You are working from that forgiveness and 122 00:06:17,400 --> 00:06:22,080 S1: from that love and that grace, rather than to receive it. Right? 123 00:06:22,120 --> 00:06:24,559 S2: Yeah. Yeah. I mean, I did an actual book study, 124 00:06:24,600 --> 00:06:29,840 S2: a word study, which I just, I love to relearn, um, 125 00:06:29,880 --> 00:06:33,279 S2: biblical words, words that I've, I don't know, we just 126 00:06:33,279 --> 00:06:35,680 S2: have always heard the word blessed. And I thought I 127 00:06:35,680 --> 00:06:38,080 S2: knew what blessed means when I look at the context, 128 00:06:38,080 --> 00:06:41,560 S2: biblical context, I'm like, oh my goodness, I have no 129 00:06:41,560 --> 00:06:44,680 S2: clue what the word blessed actually means in the real 130 00:06:44,680 --> 00:06:48,239 S2: meaning is so much more beautiful. Um, so I think 131 00:06:48,240 --> 00:06:52,779 S2: the same thing goes here with just, uh, another day 132 00:06:52,779 --> 00:06:54,940 S2: like we got another day here. What was the word 133 00:06:54,940 --> 00:06:57,900 S2: that I was just talking about? And I'm. How did 134 00:06:57,900 --> 00:06:59,940 S2: I just forget the word? Uh. 135 00:07:01,300 --> 00:07:03,099 S1: I wasn't listening closely enough. 136 00:07:03,140 --> 00:07:04,140 S2: Oh, gosh. 137 00:07:04,140 --> 00:07:05,100 S1: People, maybe. 138 00:07:05,540 --> 00:07:08,020 S2: Tricia, this is what happens when you're bald right here. 139 00:07:08,020 --> 00:07:11,020 S2: This is the exact thing happens. I love looking at 140 00:07:11,020 --> 00:07:13,980 S2: words and, uh, whatever the word was. Oh, dang it, 141 00:07:13,980 --> 00:07:18,180 S2: I lost it. Anyways, I think words are really important. 142 00:07:18,220 --> 00:07:18,900 S1: See, that's the. 143 00:07:18,900 --> 00:07:19,900 S2: Thing come back. 144 00:07:20,060 --> 00:07:23,140 S1: In. Because when you're when you get frustrated and you 145 00:07:23,140 --> 00:07:25,980 S1: can't remember something, you usually if I think of pink 146 00:07:25,980 --> 00:07:28,740 S1: elephants or, you know, goats in the backyard, then it'll 147 00:07:28,740 --> 00:07:31,540 S1: come back to me. Uh, so let me pivot when 148 00:07:31,540 --> 00:07:33,500 S1: you when it comes back to you, interrupt me. 149 00:07:33,540 --> 00:07:33,780 S2: Okay. 150 00:07:34,220 --> 00:07:37,660 S1: The movie when when they came to you and said, 151 00:07:37,660 --> 00:07:41,660 S1: I can only imagine two. Was that an immediate no brainer? Yeah, 152 00:07:41,980 --> 00:07:43,100 S1: I'd go for it. 153 00:07:43,780 --> 00:07:46,660 S2: No, I, uh, I had to talk to my wife 154 00:07:46,660 --> 00:07:50,220 S2: about it. I said, Hillary, um, this is something they're 155 00:07:50,330 --> 00:07:54,450 S2: wanting to do. And we really had a lot of 156 00:07:54,490 --> 00:07:57,970 S2: questions and a lot of kind of struggle with it. Um, I, 157 00:07:57,970 --> 00:08:02,530 S2: we don't always fit really well in the, um, the 158 00:08:02,530 --> 00:08:04,970 S2: Christian system in a lot of ways, which I know 159 00:08:05,010 --> 00:08:08,570 S2: sounds weird and wild. Um, but I don't we don't 160 00:08:08,570 --> 00:08:12,090 S2: always fit really well there, here, especially these days. And 161 00:08:12,090 --> 00:08:14,170 S2: so it's like, okay, do we want to do this 162 00:08:14,170 --> 00:08:17,489 S2: because you're about to open your life up to some real, um, 163 00:08:18,250 --> 00:08:20,610 S2: attacks and a bunch of different things, and what do 164 00:08:20,610 --> 00:08:22,890 S2: we want to do? What's best for our kids. And this. 165 00:08:22,890 --> 00:08:25,050 S2: So we were really wrestled, wrestled a lot with it. 166 00:08:25,050 --> 00:08:27,610 S2: And then as we talked to the writers who are 167 00:08:27,610 --> 00:08:31,970 S2: our great friends and Bart and Shannon, we ultimately decided, no, 168 00:08:32,010 --> 00:08:34,170 S2: this is this is what I get to be. I 169 00:08:34,170 --> 00:08:37,010 S2: get to be, in a sense, a missionary to Christians. 170 00:08:37,010 --> 00:08:39,930 S2: That's actually, you know, if you cut me open, that's 171 00:08:39,970 --> 00:08:42,689 S2: actually my role in life to disrupt and invite Jesus 172 00:08:42,690 --> 00:08:44,610 S2: people into a bigger story. 173 00:08:45,730 --> 00:08:49,829 S1: And a deeper one and a mature one, because that's 174 00:08:49,830 --> 00:08:53,790 S1: as I'm reading through the book. It's like you're speaking 175 00:08:53,830 --> 00:08:57,910 S1: to the heart of the people who sometimes know about 176 00:08:57,910 --> 00:09:00,950 S1: Jesus but don't know him. It's like the disciples. There 177 00:09:00,990 --> 00:09:02,949 S1: are a lot of disciples who turned away. It was 178 00:09:02,950 --> 00:09:05,710 S1: too hard for them, especially when he's talking about drink 179 00:09:05,710 --> 00:09:08,230 S1: my blood and eat my flesh. It's like, wait, hang on, 180 00:09:08,270 --> 00:09:11,589 S1: time out here. I don't know about that. Um, but 181 00:09:11,590 --> 00:09:14,830 S1: even those close to him, they a lot of times 182 00:09:14,830 --> 00:09:16,390 S1: didn't get him right. 183 00:09:16,830 --> 00:09:19,430 S2: Yeah. And I kind of, I think the first part 184 00:09:19,429 --> 00:09:23,630 S2: of my life, um, first 33 years of my life, appropriately, 185 00:09:23,910 --> 00:09:26,950 S2: I was a varsity American Christian. I mean, like, try 186 00:09:26,990 --> 00:09:29,630 S2: to beat me. I've been so good at it. Um, 187 00:09:29,950 --> 00:09:32,390 S2: I will do a sword drill and I'll win. I mean, 188 00:09:32,390 --> 00:09:35,870 S2: I'm just. I'm awesome. And at some point, I just 189 00:09:35,870 --> 00:09:39,510 S2: found myself exhausted trying to work for God for so long. Um. Oh, 190 00:09:39,510 --> 00:09:41,150 S2: and I remembered what I was trying to say before 191 00:09:41,350 --> 00:09:43,790 S2: I did a word study. Yeah, I did a word 192 00:09:43,790 --> 00:09:46,470 S2: study for, uh, the word with and for in the 193 00:09:46,470 --> 00:09:49,980 S2: New Testament In looking up, how often does the New 194 00:09:49,980 --> 00:09:52,700 S2: Testament use the idea of doing something for God versus 195 00:09:52,700 --> 00:09:55,739 S2: doing it? Kind of in the context of with and 196 00:09:55,780 --> 00:09:58,460 S2: anytime there's the word for it actually was even in 197 00:09:58,460 --> 00:10:01,780 S2: the context of doing it with God, partnering with God 198 00:10:01,780 --> 00:10:05,059 S2: in this thing. Um, and I just got excited about that. 199 00:10:05,059 --> 00:10:08,420 S2: I'm like, gosh, I've prayed for God. Like like God 200 00:10:08,420 --> 00:10:10,179 S2: needs my prayers in some ways, and I and I 201 00:10:10,179 --> 00:10:12,620 S2: understand the theology behind some of that. But there's also 202 00:10:12,660 --> 00:10:14,820 S2: this part of like, nope, I just get to join 203 00:10:14,820 --> 00:10:17,540 S2: him in this prayer versus doing it for him to like, 204 00:10:17,540 --> 00:10:19,220 S2: get him to do what I want him to do. 205 00:10:19,740 --> 00:10:22,420 S2: And gosh, the idea of just doing it with him 206 00:10:22,420 --> 00:10:27,260 S2: is so much more fun and I believe, way more biblical. 207 00:10:27,500 --> 00:10:28,860 S2: Thank you. Nailed it. 208 00:10:29,300 --> 00:10:32,940 S1: Okay, so yesterday we were having the same kind of 209 00:10:32,980 --> 00:10:38,059 S1: conversation about, um, what what is what is this life 210 00:10:38,059 --> 00:10:43,860 S1: all about? And, um, our guest said the opposite of control, 211 00:10:43,860 --> 00:10:45,700 S1: which is one of the things that I deal with. 212 00:10:45,980 --> 00:10:50,410 S1: The opposite of control is not letting go. The opposite 213 00:10:50,410 --> 00:10:55,970 S1: of control is participation. And that's exactly what you're talking about. 214 00:10:56,130 --> 00:11:00,170 S1: That when when grab God grabs Ahold of your heart 215 00:11:00,410 --> 00:11:03,890 S1: with your music or, you know, witnessing to other people 216 00:11:03,929 --> 00:11:06,490 S1: or even reading his word when he grabs Ahold of 217 00:11:06,490 --> 00:11:09,690 S1: your heart, it will make you want to participate with 218 00:11:09,690 --> 00:11:12,650 S1: him rather than perform for him. 219 00:11:12,690 --> 00:11:13,450 S2: So good. 220 00:11:13,490 --> 00:11:16,250 S1: So isn't that great? Okay, so we're going to take 221 00:11:16,250 --> 00:11:17,130 S1: our break here. 222 00:11:17,290 --> 00:11:17,610 S2: Tim. 223 00:11:17,610 --> 00:11:18,210 S1: Oh yeah. 224 00:11:19,090 --> 00:11:19,210 S2: I. 225 00:11:19,210 --> 00:11:21,730 S1: Got no no no, you go ahead. You go ahead. 226 00:11:21,770 --> 00:11:24,330 S2: No. This is a bigger this is a bigger conversation. I'm. 227 00:11:24,570 --> 00:11:27,290 S2: I have trouble with the idea of evangelism. I don't 228 00:11:27,290 --> 00:11:29,090 S2: see it biblically in a lot of ways in which, 229 00:11:29,130 --> 00:11:30,329 S2: you know, people are going to want to throw rocks. 230 00:11:30,330 --> 00:11:31,570 S2: And I totally get it. And we can have a 231 00:11:31,570 --> 00:11:35,050 S2: bigger conversation about that another time. But the idea of 232 00:11:35,490 --> 00:11:37,730 S2: evangelism is like, we're trying to like, hey, here are 233 00:11:37,730 --> 00:11:40,250 S2: the ways that you're going to prove this thing. When 234 00:11:40,290 --> 00:11:42,970 S2: you go to a CrossFit gym, there's no person doing 235 00:11:43,010 --> 00:11:46,590 S2: evangelism for a CrossFit gym. Those people's lives are being 236 00:11:46,590 --> 00:11:49,309 S2: changed and all they can do is talk about CrossFit. 237 00:11:49,590 --> 00:11:52,350 S2: And so when I look at like Jesus people, it's like, guys, 238 00:11:52,350 --> 00:11:54,270 S2: we don't need our classes. We just need to start 239 00:11:54,270 --> 00:11:56,550 S2: to get to know Jesus and join him. And I 240 00:11:56,550 --> 00:11:59,430 S2: think it'll be inevitable. Like that stuff will just bleed 241 00:11:59,429 --> 00:12:01,870 S2: out of us. Yes. Let's go. Let's go to. 242 00:12:01,870 --> 00:12:05,830 S1: Real. Because. Okay. We'll do it. Because it's real. Because 243 00:12:05,830 --> 00:12:08,390 S1: it's coming from the inside out. Okay, now you've gotten 244 00:12:08,390 --> 00:12:10,470 S1: a little taste of Tim Timmons. I want you to 245 00:12:10,510 --> 00:12:14,430 S1: hear his version of. Even if in our next segment, 246 00:12:14,429 --> 00:12:16,870 S1: at least some of that will play as much as 247 00:12:16,870 --> 00:12:18,990 S1: I think you need to hear. And we'll open the 248 00:12:18,990 --> 00:12:35,750 S1: lines to (877) 548-3675 more straight ahead on Moody Radio. His 249 00:12:35,750 --> 00:12:39,470 S1: name is Tim Timmons. His story is represented in the 250 00:12:39,470 --> 00:12:42,990 S1: new film I Can Only Imagine two. I have his 251 00:12:42,990 --> 00:12:44,980 S1: new book in front of me. It just came out 252 00:12:44,980 --> 00:12:48,260 S1: two days ago, written along with his wife Hillary, and 253 00:12:48,260 --> 00:12:53,620 S1: it's titled Waking Up Again A Journey of Grief and Gratitude. 254 00:12:53,620 --> 00:12:57,220 S1: We have it linked at Chris Fabry Live. Just click 255 00:12:57,220 --> 00:13:03,020 S1: through today's information. Chris Fabry Dawn here is his version 256 00:13:03,020 --> 00:13:04,420 S1: of that song. 257 00:13:04,620 --> 00:13:11,700 S3: Even if they say sometimes you win some, sometimes you 258 00:13:11,740 --> 00:13:24,860 S3: lose some. Right now, right now I'm losing bad. Stood 259 00:13:24,860 --> 00:13:31,020 S3: on the stage night after night. Reminding the broken. It'll 260 00:13:31,059 --> 00:13:38,099 S3: be alright. But right now or right now I just can't. 261 00:13:41,380 --> 00:13:46,800 S3: It's easy to sing when there's nothing to bring me down. 262 00:13:50,040 --> 00:13:53,880 S3: What will I say when I'm held to the flame. 263 00:13:53,880 --> 00:14:00,959 S3: Like I am right now? I know you're able. And 264 00:14:00,960 --> 00:14:05,560 S3: I know you can save through the fire with your 265 00:14:05,559 --> 00:14:12,720 S3: mighty hand. But even if you don't. My hope is 266 00:14:12,720 --> 00:14:19,760 S3: you alone. I know the sorrow. And I know the hurt. 267 00:14:20,040 --> 00:14:24,960 S3: But I'll go with you. Just say the word. Even 268 00:14:25,800 --> 00:14:37,200 S3: if you don't, my hope is you alone. They say 269 00:14:37,200 --> 00:14:45,150 S3: it only takes a little faith to move a mouse. Oh, 270 00:14:45,390 --> 00:14:54,950 S3: good thing, cause little faith is all I have right now. God, 271 00:14:54,950 --> 00:15:03,470 S3: when you choose to leave a mountains unmoved. Oh, give 272 00:15:03,470 --> 00:15:07,430 S3: me the strength to be able to sing. It is 273 00:15:07,430 --> 00:15:14,190 S3: well with my soul. I know you're able. And I 274 00:15:14,230 --> 00:15:19,630 S3: know you can't save through the fire with your mighty hand. 275 00:15:19,830 --> 00:15:27,070 S3: But even if you don't. My hope is you alone. 276 00:15:28,790 --> 00:15:33,150 S3: I know the sorrow. And I know the hurt will 277 00:15:33,150 --> 00:15:37,830 S3: all go away. If you just say the word. But even, 278 00:15:37,990 --> 00:15:45,660 S3: even if you don't, my hope is you alone. You've 279 00:15:45,660 --> 00:15:54,580 S3: been failed and you've been good all my days. Jesus, 280 00:15:54,580 --> 00:16:02,340 S3: I will cling to you. Come with me. Because I 281 00:16:02,340 --> 00:16:10,980 S3: know you're able. And I know we can all save 282 00:16:10,980 --> 00:16:21,980 S3: through the fire. You're mighty and. I know you're able. 283 00:16:22,340 --> 00:16:27,020 S3: I know you can sleep through the fire with your 284 00:16:27,020 --> 00:16:34,180 S3: mighty hand. But even if you don't. My hope is 285 00:16:34,180 --> 00:16:40,520 S3: you alone. I know the sorrow. And I know the 286 00:16:40,520 --> 00:16:45,280 S3: hurt would all go away. If you just say the word. 287 00:16:45,520 --> 00:16:52,880 S3: But even if you don't, my hope is you alone. 288 00:16:54,240 --> 00:17:01,760 S3: My hope. My hope is you. My hope. My hope 289 00:17:01,800 --> 00:17:12,440 S3: is you alone. My hope is you alone. It is well. 290 00:17:14,760 --> 00:17:26,000 S3: With my soul it is well. It is well with 291 00:17:26,600 --> 00:17:27,840 S3: my soul. 292 00:17:32,160 --> 00:17:33,480 S1: I told you I was going to play as much 293 00:17:33,480 --> 00:17:36,200 S1: as you needed to hear. And I just sense that 294 00:17:36,200 --> 00:17:40,350 S1: there's somebody who needed that today. Tim. Yeah. To hear 295 00:17:40,990 --> 00:17:44,670 S1: your heart poured out and the music there, that song 296 00:17:44,670 --> 00:17:46,470 S1: really did change your life, didn't it? 297 00:17:47,430 --> 00:17:50,830 S2: It did. I mean, I get to write prayers. That's 298 00:17:50,830 --> 00:17:52,950 S2: what I get to do. I don't know how many 299 00:17:52,950 --> 00:17:55,550 S2: more Christian songs we need in the world, but I 300 00:17:55,550 --> 00:17:57,669 S2: think we do need some powerful prayers that help us 301 00:17:57,670 --> 00:17:59,750 S2: to actually live out the heart and way of Jesus 302 00:17:59,750 --> 00:18:02,510 S2: during the week. And that's what I want to be about, 303 00:18:02,510 --> 00:18:05,230 S2: is writing songs that people really that help us join 304 00:18:05,230 --> 00:18:08,750 S2: Jesus in the grief and in the beautiful times. So 305 00:18:08,790 --> 00:18:11,830 S2: that song I, um, a friend of mine, Crystal Lewis, 306 00:18:12,270 --> 00:18:16,150 S2: we got together, um, years ago, and she brought this 307 00:18:16,150 --> 00:18:19,470 S2: verse and this idea, and we ended up writing this 308 00:18:19,470 --> 00:18:22,790 S2: beautiful song called My God Is Able. And, um, her 309 00:18:22,790 --> 00:18:25,109 S2: label didn't want it. My label ended up not wanting 310 00:18:25,109 --> 00:18:26,790 S2: the song, and I was like, okay, we'll just sit 311 00:18:26,790 --> 00:18:30,030 S2: here and let, uh, just it'll be whatever. The song 312 00:18:30,030 --> 00:18:31,750 S2: was kind of dead in the water, but it was 313 00:18:31,750 --> 00:18:36,730 S2: a good prayer for us. And so, uh, I remember, um, 314 00:18:36,770 --> 00:18:39,170 S2: having the thought that this song was for my best 315 00:18:39,170 --> 00:18:41,210 S2: friend Bart Millard from the band Mercy Me. But I 316 00:18:41,210 --> 00:18:42,610 S2: would never go to my friend and say, hey, Bart, 317 00:18:42,609 --> 00:18:44,330 S2: I got this song. I think you should do it. 318 00:18:44,810 --> 00:18:47,649 S2: It's just gross. And so, um, he was here in 319 00:18:47,650 --> 00:18:49,370 S2: my studio and we were about to do a podcast 320 00:18:49,369 --> 00:18:52,169 S2: or something and write a song, and he starts crying 321 00:18:52,170 --> 00:18:56,730 S2: about his Sam with diabetes, and he says the chorus 322 00:18:56,730 --> 00:18:59,490 S2: almost verbatim of this song, of that song you just heard. 323 00:18:59,890 --> 00:19:01,770 S2: And he had never heard the song before. And I 324 00:19:01,770 --> 00:19:04,930 S2: was like, this is crazy. Jesus. And so I ended 325 00:19:04,930 --> 00:19:07,449 S2: up playing him the song and just the chorus of it, 326 00:19:07,450 --> 00:19:09,609 S2: and we ended up rewriting the song. And then now it's, 327 00:19:09,609 --> 00:19:12,370 S2: it was Grammys, and now there's a movie about it. 328 00:19:12,369 --> 00:19:14,810 S2: And really, the gift of it is that it is 329 00:19:14,810 --> 00:19:20,689 S2: helping millions of people walk through hard things and say, Jesus, 330 00:19:20,690 --> 00:19:22,850 S2: you alone are my hope, not what you can do 331 00:19:22,850 --> 00:19:24,970 S2: for me, but you alone are my hope. 332 00:19:26,570 --> 00:19:31,450 S1: No matter the outcome, no matter what happens, you're in 333 00:19:31,450 --> 00:19:35,520 S1: it for the process that that he is doing well. 334 00:19:35,520 --> 00:19:38,280 S1: And the maturity you had this quote, we talked about 335 00:19:38,280 --> 00:19:41,320 S1: it before the program. Dallas Willard said, A mature Christian 336 00:19:41,320 --> 00:19:45,439 S1: is someone who is very difficult to offend. And when 337 00:19:45,440 --> 00:19:48,920 S1: you begin to mature then and it's not like you 338 00:19:48,920 --> 00:19:51,200 S1: have a hard crust, like you have the shell and 339 00:19:51,200 --> 00:19:54,760 S1: you can't be. It's like, no, your your heart is 340 00:19:54,800 --> 00:19:56,560 S1: is open, right? 341 00:19:57,160 --> 00:19:59,399 S2: Yeah. My kingdom is just so silly. I think one 342 00:19:59,400 --> 00:20:01,840 S2: of my favorite songs I've ever written, um, is actually 343 00:20:01,840 --> 00:20:04,199 S2: a song that, you know, is like the B-side of 344 00:20:04,200 --> 00:20:08,320 S2: my first record. It's called Only One Standing, and it 345 00:20:08,320 --> 00:20:11,360 S2: was probably the impetus, actually, behind my Ex on my 346 00:20:11,359 --> 00:20:14,560 S2: wrist was just this idea that I've just tried to 347 00:20:14,560 --> 00:20:17,680 S2: build my kingdom my whole life, and almost like I've 348 00:20:17,680 --> 00:20:20,560 S2: been trying to build my kingdom for God. And like, 349 00:20:20,560 --> 00:20:23,360 S2: it's a little suburb, like a little little Tim, Tim, 350 00:20:23,359 --> 00:20:27,240 S2: and suburb in the kingdom of God and man. The 351 00:20:27,240 --> 00:20:29,359 S2: more that I get to know Jesus and read about 352 00:20:29,359 --> 00:20:32,159 S2: his invitation to us, that just has no place in 353 00:20:32,160 --> 00:20:35,629 S2: the kingdom of God. And I was just so sick of, 354 00:20:36,270 --> 00:20:38,270 S2: I don't know, trying to build my kingdom that I 355 00:20:38,270 --> 00:20:41,350 S2: remember just saying, God, how about you let my kingdom 356 00:20:41,350 --> 00:20:43,470 S2: fall today so that yours alone will be the only 357 00:20:43,470 --> 00:20:46,430 S2: thing standing at the end of my day. And so 358 00:20:46,470 --> 00:20:49,470 S2: that has really been such a practice of my heart 359 00:20:49,470 --> 00:20:53,150 S2: that I, I watch my life change because of that practice. 360 00:20:53,510 --> 00:20:58,070 S1: The way it's portrayed in the film, the it is well, 361 00:20:58,070 --> 00:21:02,350 S1: with my soul. Yeah. And and what does that even 362 00:21:02,350 --> 00:21:05,510 S1: come close? Or is that kind of a, a way 363 00:21:05,510 --> 00:21:07,030 S1: that they just got that in there? 364 00:21:07,630 --> 00:21:10,669 S2: Um, a little bit of both. I mean, the song, 365 00:21:10,710 --> 00:21:13,550 S2: I mean, I read that book, the, the story behind 366 00:21:13,550 --> 00:21:17,030 S2: the psalm or story behind hymns. I, I didn't grow 367 00:21:17,030 --> 00:21:19,950 S2: up with hymns. So in college, I'm like, what are 368 00:21:19,950 --> 00:21:24,350 S2: these gorgeous things? And, uh, so I remember reading books 369 00:21:24,350 --> 00:21:27,470 S2: on the origin of hymns, so which is so fun 370 00:21:27,470 --> 00:21:30,310 S2: that that's part of the movie. And that song specifically. 371 00:21:30,310 --> 00:21:34,090 S2: I remember when Bart and I were writing the song, um, 372 00:21:34,090 --> 00:21:37,650 S2: my sister had said, I think it was my sister, 373 00:21:37,650 --> 00:21:39,850 S2: and my wife had said, you know what? This just 374 00:21:39,850 --> 00:21:44,129 S2: isn't well with me. Whatever this thing was. And I 375 00:21:44,130 --> 00:21:47,810 S2: remember going, man, that is so true. It's not. Well, 376 00:21:47,810 --> 00:21:52,850 S2: and so somehow we together, as people get to stand 377 00:21:52,850 --> 00:21:55,770 S2: together and say, God, it might not be well for 378 00:21:55,770 --> 00:21:58,649 S2: me today, but my neighbor right over here, this person 379 00:21:58,650 --> 00:22:01,010 S2: who's standing right next to me at our gathering, they 380 00:22:01,010 --> 00:22:04,010 S2: can sing it for me. And this, then, is the 381 00:22:04,010 --> 00:22:07,330 S2: church actually being the church together, you know? Yes. So 382 00:22:07,810 --> 00:22:10,489 S2: that idea is so profound, and I love that it 383 00:22:10,490 --> 00:22:11,890 S2: made it in the movie and the song. 384 00:22:12,450 --> 00:22:14,730 S1: What do you wish the movie could have showed that 385 00:22:14,730 --> 00:22:15,450 S1: it didn't. 386 00:22:17,369 --> 00:22:20,889 S2: Uh, yeah. Uh, I mean, you've got, you know, two 387 00:22:20,890 --> 00:22:26,929 S2: hours to shove 20 years of life into, um, but 388 00:22:27,130 --> 00:22:32,359 S2: in a few different stories. Uh, I wish this movie um, 389 00:22:32,800 --> 00:22:35,119 S2: I wish it talked more about if it was up 390 00:22:35,119 --> 00:22:38,640 S2: to me. Um, and not even they didn't even have 391 00:22:38,640 --> 00:22:39,880 S2: time for this. But I think if I was going 392 00:22:39,880 --> 00:22:43,680 S2: to add something in, it would be kind of my practices. Um, 393 00:22:43,720 --> 00:22:46,040 S2: I talk a lot. I talk a lot about practicing. 394 00:22:46,040 --> 00:22:48,600 S2: We get good at what we practice. And so I 395 00:22:48,640 --> 00:22:52,280 S2: practice joining Jesus all day long. And that's the stuff 396 00:22:52,280 --> 00:22:54,800 S2: that I think is changing me and making me more 397 00:22:54,800 --> 00:22:59,720 S2: beautiful and powerful. Human, um, is just the practices that 398 00:22:59,720 --> 00:23:01,340 S2: I get to be a part of that. My 10,000 399 00:23:01,340 --> 00:23:04,040 S2: minutes community, which we can talk about in a little bit, um, 400 00:23:04,040 --> 00:23:07,119 S2: we put things into practice every week, and so that 401 00:23:07,119 --> 00:23:10,040 S2: would be really fun to have that in there. But man, 402 00:23:10,040 --> 00:23:12,480 S2: I'm so grateful for what happened in the movie. 403 00:23:12,520 --> 00:23:14,440 S1: We got the axe in there. I mean come on. 404 00:23:14,480 --> 00:23:18,679 S1: Yep yep yep. But the practices like the like the 405 00:23:18,680 --> 00:23:22,520 S1: breath prayer that you have, uh, on one of your albums, 406 00:23:22,520 --> 00:23:23,639 S1: I think it is. Right. 407 00:23:23,760 --> 00:23:28,400 S2: Yeah, yeah, I years ago, you know, some people get 408 00:23:28,400 --> 00:23:32,460 S2: a little voodoo ed out by breathing prayers. Um, and 409 00:23:32,460 --> 00:23:35,260 S2: I just say, gosh, are we breathing great. Uh, hopefully, 410 00:23:35,300 --> 00:23:38,020 S2: if you're not breathing right now, call 911 people. But 411 00:23:38,020 --> 00:23:41,980 S2: if you are breathing, um, what a way to utilize 412 00:23:41,980 --> 00:23:47,100 S2: even our breath as a prayer. I mean, it's actually 413 00:23:47,100 --> 00:23:51,700 S2: so biblical, but the idea of breathing in Jesus. Jesus 414 00:23:51,700 --> 00:23:55,379 S2: breathing out. You have my attention. Breathe in Jesus. Even 415 00:23:55,380 --> 00:23:57,340 S2: try it, people, as you're just driving or doing whatever 416 00:23:57,340 --> 00:24:01,460 S2: you're doing, breathe in Jesus. Breathe out. You have my attention. 417 00:24:02,060 --> 00:24:05,300 S2: Try it again, Jesus, you have my attention. And just 418 00:24:05,300 --> 00:24:08,740 S2: imagine for a second what would your week look like 419 00:24:08,740 --> 00:24:12,300 S2: if that were your practice all day long? You just. 420 00:24:12,300 --> 00:24:15,740 S2: Somebody cuts you off. Jesus. You have my attention. You 421 00:24:15,740 --> 00:24:19,580 S2: see somebody on, uh, Instagram or Facebook that you're like, wow, 422 00:24:19,619 --> 00:24:22,180 S2: do I disagree with that person? In fact, I'm offended 423 00:24:22,180 --> 00:24:25,180 S2: by that person. And we don't go. We start start 424 00:24:25,180 --> 00:24:28,370 S2: cursing them. We actually get to be the blessers. We said, Jesus, 425 00:24:28,970 --> 00:24:32,129 S2: you have my attention. I mean, imagine what could happen 426 00:24:32,130 --> 00:24:35,570 S2: if Jesus people prayed that all day long. Not like, hey, 427 00:24:35,570 --> 00:24:39,369 S2: Christianity has my attention, but Jesus, the heart, the the words, 428 00:24:39,369 --> 00:24:43,169 S2: the the way of Jesus has our attention. Man, I 429 00:24:43,170 --> 00:24:45,890 S2: just I think we'd have a real different, uh, culture. 430 00:24:46,250 --> 00:24:48,929 S2: And I'm not talking about moral police. I'm talking about 431 00:24:48,930 --> 00:24:51,810 S2: people actually looking like Jesus that we're told we're going 432 00:24:51,810 --> 00:24:53,970 S2: to be hated at some point. But let's be hated 433 00:24:53,970 --> 00:24:56,810 S2: because we are so loving and we are such amazing 434 00:24:56,810 --> 00:24:59,970 S2: blessers of our enemies that we're hated. That's what I 435 00:24:59,970 --> 00:25:00,969 S2: want to be hated for. 436 00:25:01,250 --> 00:25:03,330 S1: There is a story in the book, and we're going 437 00:25:03,330 --> 00:25:05,610 S1: to talk about it in the next segment. Uh, it's 438 00:25:05,650 --> 00:25:08,090 S1: Waking Up Again is the title of the book, but 439 00:25:08,090 --> 00:25:13,810 S1: it's about seeing somebody that you were triggered by in Israel. 440 00:25:13,970 --> 00:25:15,530 S1: And I want you to tell that story in a 441 00:25:15,530 --> 00:25:18,129 S1: whole lot more. Tim Timmons is with us. He's written 442 00:25:18,130 --> 00:25:21,250 S1: the book with his wife, Hillary, Waking Up Again A 443 00:25:21,250 --> 00:25:24,490 S1: Journey of Grief and Gratitude. You can find it at Chris. 444 00:25:26,480 --> 00:25:30,760 S1: Chris Fabbri, Livorno. More music from Tim. 445 00:25:30,760 --> 00:25:37,560 S3: Straight ahead with your mighty hand. But even if you don't, 446 00:25:38,680 --> 00:25:45,240 S3: my hope is you will love. I know the sorrow 447 00:25:45,280 --> 00:25:49,280 S3: and I know the hurt. But I'll go away if 448 00:25:49,280 --> 00:25:54,560 S3: you just say the word. But even if you don't, 449 00:25:55,760 --> 00:25:57,840 S3: my hope is you. 450 00:26:04,840 --> 00:26:07,200 S1: What a treat to talk with Tim Timmons, author of 451 00:26:07,200 --> 00:26:10,800 S1: Waking Up Again A Journey of Grief and Gratitude. Here's 452 00:26:10,800 --> 00:26:12,879 S1: another song you need to hear from Tim from the 453 00:26:12,880 --> 00:26:16,160 S1: album here. This is fighting for me. 454 00:26:18,080 --> 00:26:25,619 S4: Fear not, old soul. For my God is fighting for me, 455 00:26:27,100 --> 00:26:34,540 S4: I'll not lose hope. For my God is fighting for me. 456 00:26:35,820 --> 00:26:41,100 S4: The thief has come to kill and steal. But I'll 457 00:26:41,100 --> 00:26:45,700 S4: be still and know my God. 458 00:26:45,700 --> 00:26:47,300 S3: Is fighting for. 459 00:26:47,460 --> 00:26:48,060 S4: Me. 460 00:26:49,300 --> 00:26:55,300 S3: My God is fighting for me. Yes, this will be 461 00:26:55,300 --> 00:27:01,460 S3: my story. My God is fighting for me. 462 00:27:04,700 --> 00:27:07,220 S5: Is that true, Tim? If you felt like. 463 00:27:07,220 --> 00:27:10,500 S1: God has been fighting for you the last 25 years. 464 00:27:10,500 --> 00:27:11,380 S1: And before that. 465 00:27:12,100 --> 00:27:17,100 S2: Yeah, I you know, sometimes I rethink about that song and, um, 466 00:27:17,540 --> 00:27:20,340 S2: I think it's like it's he has been fighting for 467 00:27:20,340 --> 00:27:24,410 S2: me and inviting me into so much. Um, you know, 468 00:27:24,450 --> 00:27:27,810 S2: I just I keep going. Jesus. You keep. You keep 469 00:27:27,810 --> 00:27:30,609 S2: bringing me through. And I don't know how this all works. 470 00:27:30,609 --> 00:27:32,530 S2: I don't know what you're fighting or what not. I 471 00:27:32,530 --> 00:27:35,290 S2: just know that you keep. You keep bringing me through. 472 00:27:35,290 --> 00:27:38,570 S2: I've got another day. And you know, with hard things 473 00:27:38,570 --> 00:27:42,129 S2: that keep coming, I'm like, okay, Jesus, you're. You're the 474 00:27:42,130 --> 00:27:44,530 S2: all that really matters here. My kingdom is so silly. 475 00:27:44,730 --> 00:27:47,730 S2: So you just keep leaning on on all the stuff. 476 00:27:47,730 --> 00:27:50,090 S2: So yes, that's I love that prayer. 477 00:27:50,410 --> 00:27:52,730 S1: And I think somebody needed to hear those words and 478 00:27:52,730 --> 00:27:56,290 S1: hear it filtered through your own life, in your own struggle. Um, 479 00:27:56,330 --> 00:27:59,609 S1: Walt Wangerin was a friend through the years who dealt 480 00:27:59,609 --> 00:28:04,210 S1: with lung cancer, and he talked about, I don't know 481 00:28:04,210 --> 00:28:08,250 S1: if you've heard anything of his story or his writing, 482 00:28:08,650 --> 00:28:12,690 S1: but Walt said, I don't see cancer as my enemy. 483 00:28:12,690 --> 00:28:15,770 S1: I don't see cancer as this thing that I'm fighting for. 484 00:28:16,170 --> 00:28:19,170 S1: In a sense, cancer has been something that has come 485 00:28:19,170 --> 00:28:22,800 S1: into my life that kind of sits in the room 486 00:28:22,800 --> 00:28:26,520 S1: with me and shows me, shows me things about things, 487 00:28:26,520 --> 00:28:30,080 S1: about my life that I would not know had I 488 00:28:30,119 --> 00:28:35,560 S1: not had this visitor that nobody wants. Does that touch 489 00:28:35,720 --> 00:28:37,080 S1: some of your experience? 490 00:28:37,440 --> 00:28:42,040 S2: It does. So that is so well said I. I've 491 00:28:42,080 --> 00:28:46,040 S2: often said I wouldn't give up this journey with cancer 492 00:28:46,040 --> 00:28:48,120 S2: for anything in the world, and my wife would say 493 00:28:48,120 --> 00:28:50,480 S2: the same thing. My wife had took a lot longer 494 00:28:50,480 --> 00:28:52,800 S2: for her to be able to say that, but I 495 00:28:52,800 --> 00:28:55,920 S2: just were different people on the other side of this. 496 00:28:56,360 --> 00:28:59,600 S2: And whatever calamity and sorrow people that you have walked 497 00:28:59,600 --> 00:29:02,920 S2: through or are currently walking through right now, number one, 498 00:29:02,920 --> 00:29:05,800 S2: I'm just so sorry and I'm sad with you in this. 499 00:29:05,800 --> 00:29:09,720 S2: And I don't want like wallpaper over your pain. And 500 00:29:10,680 --> 00:29:13,840 S2: I will also say that God seems to be at 501 00:29:13,840 --> 00:29:17,120 S2: work in all these things. And faith, true faith is like, 502 00:29:17,120 --> 00:29:18,960 S2: I don't know how this works, God, I don't even 503 00:29:19,000 --> 00:29:21,060 S2: fully know if I'm all in. I just I'm going 504 00:29:21,100 --> 00:29:22,820 S2: to bet my one and only life like you are 505 00:29:22,820 --> 00:29:25,900 S2: at work and all these things and hold you to this. 506 00:29:25,900 --> 00:29:29,940 S2: So Jesus, you gave me breath again today. Lead on. 507 00:29:29,940 --> 00:29:32,300 S2: So that's really the posture I'm trying to like, live 508 00:29:32,300 --> 00:29:35,060 S2: with in the midst of the hard things and inviting 509 00:29:35,060 --> 00:29:36,020 S2: other people into. 510 00:29:36,500 --> 00:29:40,540 S1: Did Hillary have a hard time after the diagnosis of saying, okay, 511 00:29:40,820 --> 00:29:43,220 S1: we don't know how it's going to end? I don't 512 00:29:43,220 --> 00:29:45,660 S1: know if I want to start a family. Did she 513 00:29:45,660 --> 00:29:47,500 S1: struggle at all with having kids? 514 00:29:47,820 --> 00:29:50,980 S2: Yeah, we we said our first year, I said, Hillary, 515 00:29:50,980 --> 00:29:54,220 S2: I totally get it. We were three years married and, uh, 516 00:29:54,220 --> 00:29:56,780 S2: they gave me five years to live. And I said, Hillary, 517 00:29:56,780 --> 00:29:58,700 S2: I get it. If you don't want to have kids. Gosh, 518 00:29:58,700 --> 00:30:01,300 S2: this is this is not something we want to bring 519 00:30:01,300 --> 00:30:04,180 S2: kids into. And she said, at that point, Tim, we're 520 00:30:04,180 --> 00:30:06,340 S2: going to live as though you're going to be healed. Uh, 521 00:30:06,340 --> 00:30:09,180 S2: but then a year later, I wasn't healed. I was 522 00:30:09,180 --> 00:30:13,660 S2: in surgeries and just it was rough. And she was like, God, 523 00:30:13,660 --> 00:30:17,180 S2: you have let me down royally. I look, we were 524 00:30:17,180 --> 00:30:19,540 S2: told that if we had enough faith that all this 525 00:30:19,650 --> 00:30:22,730 S2: stuff's going to work out. And where are you? God? 526 00:30:22,730 --> 00:30:25,170 S2: And so she had a full on wrestling match with God. 527 00:30:25,610 --> 00:30:29,490 S2: And apparently that's okay with God. I think a lot 528 00:30:29,490 --> 00:30:32,250 S2: of Christendom were like, nope, don't don't question things. Don't 529 00:30:32,250 --> 00:30:35,410 S2: get curious about God. Don't say anything inappropriate to God. 530 00:30:35,450 --> 00:30:38,850 S2: Like what? I just don't see that anywhere in the Bible. 531 00:30:38,850 --> 00:30:41,330 S2: I might see that in our Christian land, but not 532 00:30:41,330 --> 00:30:45,330 S2: in the Bible. And this invitation from God like to doubt, 533 00:30:45,370 --> 00:30:48,729 S2: to have questions, to be curious about things. And now 534 00:30:48,730 --> 00:30:51,050 S2: I see my wife and I just go, Jesus, thank 535 00:30:51,050 --> 00:30:55,930 S2: you for walking her through that so beautifully, so beautifully. 536 00:30:56,210 --> 00:30:58,690 S1: That's the we wouldn't have the Psalms if we. 537 00:30:59,050 --> 00:30:59,410 S2: Oh my. 538 00:30:59,410 --> 00:31:03,010 S1: Gosh, you know, there are a whole full of where 539 00:31:03,050 --> 00:31:05,610 S1: are you? How long, O Lord, you know all that. 540 00:31:06,090 --> 00:31:08,930 S1: But and some of them don't, but most of them 541 00:31:09,290 --> 00:31:13,210 S1: come around and say, but where else will we go? 542 00:31:13,250 --> 00:31:15,770 S1: Like I think Peter said, where else would we go? 543 00:31:15,810 --> 00:31:18,390 S1: It's like to you, you are the one who has 544 00:31:18,430 --> 00:31:22,790 S1: has the. You're sovereign over all this? Yeah. Um, take 545 00:31:22,790 --> 00:31:25,550 S1: me back to the enemy thing, though. You were in Israel, 546 00:31:25,950 --> 00:31:28,270 S1: and you tell that story. 547 00:31:28,870 --> 00:31:31,670 S2: Yeah. So I was with, uh, a good friend, Bob Goff, 548 00:31:31,670 --> 00:31:33,750 S2: who's just one of my main heroes and mentors and 549 00:31:33,750 --> 00:31:35,990 S2: a great, great friend. And we got to lead a 550 00:31:35,990 --> 00:31:40,630 S2: trip to Israel. And so we're in Capernaum, where which 551 00:31:40,630 --> 00:31:43,750 S2: is where Jesus did most of his miracles. And it's 552 00:31:43,830 --> 00:31:47,670 S2: where you know that they let the the paralytic down 553 00:31:47,710 --> 00:31:51,510 S2: through the roof and all that. I mean, it's just crazy, 554 00:31:51,510 --> 00:31:53,950 S2: the stuff that happened in this little town right by 555 00:31:53,950 --> 00:31:56,910 S2: the Sea of Galilee. And so we're in this this 556 00:31:57,030 --> 00:31:59,590 S2: little kind of chapel place. It's no longer a chapel. 557 00:31:59,590 --> 00:32:05,630 S2: It's just like the remains of this chapel, of this, uh, temple. And, uh, 558 00:32:05,630 --> 00:32:07,910 S2: I had just started, I was praying, we were singing songs, 559 00:32:07,910 --> 00:32:10,630 S2: and I was leading my whole crew in singing songs, 560 00:32:10,630 --> 00:32:13,830 S2: and I just said, Jesus, thank you that you have 561 00:32:13,830 --> 00:32:17,460 S2: such crazy prayer or, like, invitations for us that we 562 00:32:17,460 --> 00:32:20,020 S2: get to like, pray for our enemies. We get to 563 00:32:20,020 --> 00:32:23,060 S2: all these different things. I was just naming them and 564 00:32:23,300 --> 00:32:25,260 S2: right when I put my guitar down, I look over 565 00:32:25,260 --> 00:32:27,219 S2: to my right and there was a guy that I 566 00:32:27,220 --> 00:32:29,540 S2: don't have, many people that I would consider enemies in 567 00:32:29,540 --> 00:32:32,420 S2: the world. Um, I'm pretty easy to get along with, 568 00:32:32,420 --> 00:32:34,980 S2: and I just. I'm not offended by too much anymore. 569 00:32:34,980 --> 00:32:37,700 S2: But this guy, there's a certain person that just the 570 00:32:37,700 --> 00:32:39,860 S2: way that he has handled things in the pandemic and 571 00:32:39,860 --> 00:32:43,500 S2: even recently, I just couldn't see the world differently than 572 00:32:43,500 --> 00:32:46,420 S2: him at all. There's no way. It's just such opposites 573 00:32:46,420 --> 00:32:49,500 S2: in the way of Jesus. Um, and so I'm just 574 00:32:49,500 --> 00:32:53,500 S2: not a huge fan. And he walks in the this 575 00:32:53,500 --> 00:32:55,780 S2: little place out of nowhere. He and I had met 576 00:32:55,780 --> 00:32:59,340 S2: at this writing camp years ago, and man, he was 577 00:32:59,340 --> 00:33:02,540 S2: just arrogant and really lame at that thing. And he 578 00:33:02,540 --> 00:33:05,540 S2: wouldn't remember me from anything because he just had things 579 00:33:05,540 --> 00:33:08,940 S2: to talk about. And I just thought, Jesus. 580 00:33:09,060 --> 00:33:12,940 S1: Wait a minute, is this the me monster? Have you seen. Yeah. 581 00:33:12,980 --> 00:33:15,060 S1: Have you seen the routine? You know, the me, me 582 00:33:15,100 --> 00:33:15,770 S1: me me. 583 00:33:16,250 --> 00:33:19,170 S2: I've just. You just I've seen this movie and everybody. 584 00:33:19,330 --> 00:33:23,090 S2: It's a pretty well known thing with this guy. And, um, 585 00:33:23,570 --> 00:33:27,850 S2: yet at that moment, I see his face, and I said, Jesus, 586 00:33:28,130 --> 00:33:32,050 S2: this is exactly your way. You just are disrupting me 587 00:33:32,090 --> 00:33:36,490 S2: once again from my, like, contempt. Like I'm better than 588 00:33:36,490 --> 00:33:40,090 S2: this person. And I in in in the kingdom, I 589 00:33:40,090 --> 00:33:43,450 S2: don't get to walk with contempt. Um, and maybe a religion. 590 00:33:43,450 --> 00:33:45,650 S2: I get to walk with contempt. We get to hate people. 591 00:33:45,650 --> 00:33:49,209 S2: And you know, you know, whatever. Curse them. But I 592 00:33:49,210 --> 00:33:51,090 S2: don't get to in the kingdom of God. And so 593 00:33:51,130 --> 00:33:53,090 S2: at that moment, I was like, Jesus, you got me. 594 00:33:53,770 --> 00:33:56,770 S2: Even this person I get to pray blessing for. That's 595 00:33:56,770 --> 00:33:59,930 S2: your invitation. I get to practice praying, blessing for him, 596 00:33:59,930 --> 00:34:03,370 S2: for his wife, for his kids. Like blessing, not not 597 00:34:03,370 --> 00:34:07,610 S2: financial blessing, but like fullness and wholeness toward them. And 598 00:34:07,610 --> 00:34:09,609 S2: it was just such a beautiful moment. Then Bob and 599 00:34:09,610 --> 00:34:12,810 S2: I were walking out of this place and sure enough. 600 00:34:12,969 --> 00:34:16,310 S2: And it was the smallest little like walkway. He walks 601 00:34:16,310 --> 00:34:20,430 S2: right up with his wife and I just said, hey, man, 602 00:34:20,469 --> 00:34:21,750 S2: I don't know if you remember me. We met at 603 00:34:21,750 --> 00:34:24,069 S2: this thing and all of a sudden he starts talking 604 00:34:24,070 --> 00:34:25,830 S2: more about him and what he's doing and all the 605 00:34:25,830 --> 00:34:27,990 S2: cool stuff he's doing. And it was like every, every 606 00:34:27,989 --> 00:34:30,750 S2: reason to go, man. Yeah, that's why I'm better than 607 00:34:30,750 --> 00:34:33,150 S2: this guy. But I didn't get to do that. And 608 00:34:33,190 --> 00:34:36,390 S2: the way of Jesus was so good in that moment, saying, Tim, 609 00:34:36,390 --> 00:34:39,069 S2: you can't do that. You get to pray. Blessing for 610 00:34:39,070 --> 00:34:43,390 S2: this guy. So man, I just daily I am disrupted 611 00:34:43,390 --> 00:34:46,150 S2: by Jesus and I am so grateful for it. 612 00:34:46,790 --> 00:34:49,630 S1: That'll happen to you if you when you get closer 613 00:34:49,630 --> 00:34:54,670 S1: to him. Jesus. Then the people who rub you the 614 00:34:54,670 --> 00:34:59,270 S1: wrong way, you you you look at them differently. And 615 00:34:59,310 --> 00:35:01,270 S1: that's the other thing. We were talking about it yesterday. 616 00:35:01,430 --> 00:35:05,550 S1: You become curious about them and you start to ask 617 00:35:05,550 --> 00:35:08,790 S1: them questions about their, you know, their life so that 618 00:35:08,790 --> 00:35:12,029 S1: then you can pray more intelligently. You know, God, grab 619 00:35:12,030 --> 00:35:14,100 S1: Ahold of their heart and their kids and the struggles 620 00:35:14,100 --> 00:35:16,340 S1: that they because they're having struggles to. A lot of 621 00:35:16,340 --> 00:35:20,420 S1: times those me monsters that you come up against, it's 622 00:35:20,420 --> 00:35:25,299 S1: very insecure people who are trying to live the for, 623 00:35:25,460 --> 00:35:29,460 S1: you know, they're trying to get the, um, the, the 624 00:35:29,500 --> 00:35:33,540 S1: validation in order to live their life because they live 625 00:35:33,540 --> 00:35:34,500 S1: so scared. 626 00:35:35,020 --> 00:35:37,180 S2: Yeah. And I've done that too. And I, you know, 627 00:35:37,219 --> 00:35:38,940 S2: I've got a big old log in my eye. And 628 00:35:38,940 --> 00:35:41,339 S2: so I'm just like, Tim, you don't get to do that. 629 00:35:41,340 --> 00:35:43,299 S2: You don't get to have contempt for the person that 630 00:35:43,300 --> 00:35:45,580 S2: cut you off on the road. You get to actually 631 00:35:45,620 --> 00:35:49,140 S2: be the blesser of the land. Yeah. And I'm just 632 00:35:49,140 --> 00:35:52,020 S2: I'm seeing that role more and more, even as the Israelites, 633 00:35:52,020 --> 00:35:57,500 S2: their entire job, their vocation was to be the blessers 634 00:35:57,500 --> 00:36:01,060 S2: of the land, not the moral police or the ones 635 00:36:01,060 --> 00:36:04,660 S2: coming in saying we're better gods on our side, not yours. Um, 636 00:36:04,700 --> 00:36:06,700 S2: they were to be the blessers. But after chapter two 637 00:36:06,700 --> 00:36:10,259 S2: of Genesis, we know what happened and then New Testament. 638 00:36:10,260 --> 00:36:13,359 S2: We are now to be the same spirit that raised 639 00:36:13,360 --> 00:36:15,400 S2: Jesus from the dead is inviting us to be the 640 00:36:15,400 --> 00:36:17,879 S2: blessers of the people around us. So even the fruit 641 00:36:17,880 --> 00:36:20,879 S2: of the spirit I'm learning is not for me. If 642 00:36:20,920 --> 00:36:22,200 S2: I if the fruit of the spirit is for me, 643 00:36:22,239 --> 00:36:25,520 S2: that would a waste of time. It's for you today, Chris. 644 00:36:25,560 --> 00:36:27,480 S2: It's for the person that cut me off. It's for 645 00:36:27,480 --> 00:36:30,320 S2: my kids today that I would have more patience. Um, 646 00:36:30,360 --> 00:36:32,279 S2: it's for the sake of the other. So I'm just 647 00:36:32,280 --> 00:36:35,799 S2: having so much fun being disrupted by Jesus all day long, 648 00:36:35,800 --> 00:36:38,719 S2: but I think I'm actually gaining more joy in the 649 00:36:38,719 --> 00:36:39,560 S2: midst of it. 650 00:36:39,600 --> 00:36:42,720 S1: It frees you up to be who you are rather 651 00:36:42,719 --> 00:36:45,640 S1: than somebody you think you ought to be. You know, 652 00:36:46,000 --> 00:36:48,560 S1: it provides that freedom. And one of the things I 653 00:36:48,560 --> 00:36:50,800 S1: like about the book is that you have these little asides. 654 00:36:50,800 --> 00:36:53,320 S1: You Hillary comes along and tells a little more about 655 00:36:53,320 --> 00:36:57,520 S1: the story, uh, from her perspective. But in this section 656 00:36:57,520 --> 00:37:01,279 S1: you have enemy love practices. Pray for your enemies, be 657 00:37:01,280 --> 00:37:05,480 S1: slow to take offense, name and work through your resentment 658 00:37:05,480 --> 00:37:09,040 S1: and bless your enemies. And so there's there's this teaching 659 00:37:09,040 --> 00:37:11,630 S1: in here as well as the stories that you tell 660 00:37:11,630 --> 00:37:14,510 S1: from your life and from your music. It's called Waking 661 00:37:14,510 --> 00:37:18,950 S1: Up Again A Journey of Grief and Gratitude by Tim Timmons, 662 00:37:18,950 --> 00:37:25,470 S1: along with Hillary. You can find it linked at our website, npr.org. Chris. Favorite. Oh. 663 00:37:28,430 --> 00:37:34,390 S3: My God is fighting for me. Yes, this will be 664 00:37:34,390 --> 00:37:40,670 S3: my story. My God is fighting for me. 665 00:37:56,390 --> 00:37:59,629 S1: Tim Timmons story is told at least partly in the film. 666 00:37:59,630 --> 00:38:03,430 S1: I can only imagine two still in theaters. The new 667 00:38:03,430 --> 00:38:08,029 S1: book is Waking Up Again A journey of Grief and Gratitude. 668 00:38:08,270 --> 00:38:12,020 S1: We have it linked at Chris favorite cause. Chris. 669 00:38:14,739 --> 00:38:20,060 S3: You're calling me to the guard out of the wasteland 670 00:38:21,140 --> 00:38:28,220 S3: to walk upon the pathway of your goodness. I don't 671 00:38:28,219 --> 00:38:35,100 S3: have to worry when I'm here. You're calling me to 672 00:38:35,140 --> 00:38:45,220 S3: the table out of the famine to feast on your provision. Taste, abundance. 673 00:38:46,500 --> 00:38:55,620 S3: I don't have to hurry when I'm here. Here, in 674 00:38:55,620 --> 00:39:02,300 S3: your presence, I am awake and alive. The King of 675 00:39:02,300 --> 00:39:09,400 S3: heaven is closer than I realized, And I will dwell 676 00:39:09,440 --> 00:39:14,600 S3: here all of the days of my life. Here in 677 00:39:14,600 --> 00:39:20,920 S3: your presence. Jesus. I'm yours. You are mine. To find 678 00:39:20,920 --> 00:39:28,920 S3: your fullness forever here inside. And I will dwell here. 679 00:39:29,320 --> 00:39:33,760 S3: All of the days of my life. Yes, I will 680 00:39:33,800 --> 00:39:39,360 S3: dwell here. All of the days of my life. 681 00:39:39,640 --> 00:39:40,760 S6: From the album here. 682 00:39:40,960 --> 00:39:44,399 S1: Tim Timmons and I wanted to play a little bit 683 00:39:44,400 --> 00:39:47,239 S1: of that, Tim, because I listened to see if I 684 00:39:47,239 --> 00:39:51,520 S1: can hear other artists that have affected you, and I 685 00:39:51,520 --> 00:39:54,200 S1: may be way off. I haven't even mentioned this at all. 686 00:39:54,440 --> 00:39:58,120 S1: But when you started singing, some of the phrasing, some 687 00:39:58,120 --> 00:40:00,759 S1: of the writing, but also some of the ways that 688 00:40:00,760 --> 00:40:03,920 S1: you say your age in that area. 689 00:40:04,120 --> 00:40:05,960 S2: Now, I'm, I'm totally intrigued. 690 00:40:06,110 --> 00:40:11,069 S1: I. I hear Andrew Peterson coming through there. Do you 691 00:40:11,110 --> 00:40:12,029 S1: know Andrew? 692 00:40:12,310 --> 00:40:14,310 S2: I do know Andrew. I have not listened to a 693 00:40:14,350 --> 00:40:17,109 S2: lot of Andrew's music, but I love Andrew. And the 694 00:40:17,110 --> 00:40:21,510 S2: people that we were both inspired by are the same people. 695 00:40:21,550 --> 00:40:23,310 S1: Okay, maybe that's where it's coming through. 696 00:40:23,350 --> 00:40:25,630 S2: That's totally where you'll hear it, I love that. 697 00:40:25,670 --> 00:40:28,470 S1: That's really good. Okay, so at the beginning of the program, 698 00:40:28,469 --> 00:40:32,310 S1: I said these 10,080 minutes. Yeah, that's how many minutes 699 00:40:32,310 --> 00:40:33,430 S1: are in a week, right? 700 00:40:33,469 --> 00:40:35,710 S2: Yeah. I mean you're welcome. I mean, whoever's listening, you 701 00:40:35,710 --> 00:40:38,830 S2: just got much smarter by finding out that there are 702 00:40:38,830 --> 00:40:40,350 S2: 10,080 minutes in a week. 703 00:40:41,750 --> 00:40:44,150 S1: Why is that important to you? 704 00:40:44,750 --> 00:40:48,549 S2: Yeah, I had worked as a pastor and a few 705 00:40:48,550 --> 00:40:52,509 S2: really large churches in California. And, you know, I've already 706 00:40:52,510 --> 00:40:54,990 S2: mentioned I was awesome, like, I was a varsity American 707 00:40:54,989 --> 00:40:59,630 S2: Christian for so long. Um, but I was so tired. 708 00:40:59,630 --> 00:41:04,630 S2: My neighbor was an atheist, but had more like joy 709 00:41:04,670 --> 00:41:06,850 S2: than I had. It was crazy. I was like, I'm, 710 00:41:06,890 --> 00:41:09,810 S2: I'm writing songs about this. I'm a big time pastor, 711 00:41:10,090 --> 00:41:14,210 S2: but I don't think I have these things. And that's 712 00:41:14,210 --> 00:41:16,489 S2: when I ended up quit working for God. And I said, 713 00:41:16,489 --> 00:41:17,850 S2: I'm never going to work for you again. I'm just 714 00:41:17,850 --> 00:41:19,530 S2: going to join you for the rest of my days. 715 00:41:20,610 --> 00:41:24,250 S2: And in that season, that was kind of when, um, 716 00:41:25,330 --> 00:41:28,410 S2: that was when I was I was, uh, trying to 717 00:41:28,410 --> 00:41:33,250 S2: figure out how to walk with him. And so, uh. Yeah. 718 00:41:33,250 --> 00:41:35,090 S2: So what was your question? I didn't even answer your question. 719 00:41:35,090 --> 00:41:36,570 S1: 10,000, 10,000 minutes. 720 00:41:36,610 --> 00:41:39,130 S2: So so I had left, um, this church and the 721 00:41:39,770 --> 00:41:41,609 S2: I was with this one pastor, and he mentioned there 722 00:41:41,610 --> 00:41:44,570 S2: are 10,080 minutes in a week. I'm like 10,080 minutes. 723 00:41:44,570 --> 00:41:47,330 S2: That's such a wild number. And it hit me that 724 00:41:47,330 --> 00:41:49,570 S2: I had spent my whole life on the 80 minutes 725 00:41:49,570 --> 00:41:52,009 S2: that we gather as a church every weekend. Just think 726 00:41:52,010 --> 00:41:54,170 S2: about it. Like all of our resources, all of our 727 00:41:54,170 --> 00:41:57,250 S2: time spent, we say, if you want to meet Jesus, 728 00:41:57,250 --> 00:42:00,210 S2: come to the 80 minute gathering. Uh, if you want 729 00:42:00,210 --> 00:42:02,770 S2: to sing to Jesus, come to the 80 minute gathering 730 00:42:02,770 --> 00:42:05,560 S2: if you want to, um, go to church, you go 731 00:42:05,560 --> 00:42:08,440 S2: to the 80 minute gathering. And I started looking at it, going, 732 00:42:08,440 --> 00:42:11,200 S2: dang it, biblically, we can't even go to church. It's 733 00:42:11,200 --> 00:42:14,640 S2: who we are gathered and scattered all week long. And 734 00:42:14,640 --> 00:42:18,440 S2: then I was like, hopefully we can meet Jesus. People 735 00:42:18,440 --> 00:42:21,560 S2: can meet Jesus through me at the grocery store. Um, 736 00:42:21,600 --> 00:42:24,160 S2: they don't need that 80 minutes. But it's not. It's 737 00:42:24,160 --> 00:42:26,160 S2: just saying I'm all my resources have been in the 738 00:42:26,200 --> 00:42:28,600 S2: 80 minutes, which is, you know, I just think it's 739 00:42:28,600 --> 00:42:31,359 S2: a little backwards. I love the 80 minute gathering, but 740 00:42:31,360 --> 00:42:33,600 S2: it's just not the point. So how do we, in 741 00:42:33,640 --> 00:42:36,440 S2: the 80 minutes, encourage each other to join Jesus in 742 00:42:36,440 --> 00:42:40,520 S2: the 10,000 minutes until we gather again, there are 10,000 minutes. 743 00:42:40,719 --> 00:42:42,640 S2: And so I just I was thinking, that's when the 744 00:42:42,640 --> 00:42:45,279 S2: stuff hits. The fan is in the 10,000 minutes, not 745 00:42:45,280 --> 00:42:48,440 S2: in the 80 minutes. So, uh, some friends. 746 00:42:49,080 --> 00:42:50,720 S1: In there too, right? A lot of breathing. 747 00:42:50,760 --> 00:42:53,480 S2: It's a lot of breathing in the 10,000 minutes. And 748 00:42:53,480 --> 00:42:55,560 S2: some friends and I, we just decided, hey, let's start 749 00:42:55,560 --> 00:42:59,160 S2: just putting some of Jesus's principles into practice in the 750 00:42:59,160 --> 00:43:02,200 S2: 10,000 minutes and see what it does in us. So, 751 00:43:02,430 --> 00:43:05,350 S2: I mean, we've had so many practices, but that's where 752 00:43:05,350 --> 00:43:09,030 S2: the breathing prayer of Jesus breathing out, you have my attention. 753 00:43:09,030 --> 00:43:11,870 S2: That's where that one is kind of from and blessing 754 00:43:11,870 --> 00:43:14,270 S2: our enemies. And they're all kind of through the book, uh, 755 00:43:14,270 --> 00:43:17,430 S2: different practices that we do that are really helping us 756 00:43:17,430 --> 00:43:20,590 S2: to join Jesus in the 10,000 minutes of our week 757 00:43:20,750 --> 00:43:23,590 S2: and to not focus just on the 80. But that's like, 758 00:43:23,750 --> 00:43:26,150 S2: that's our time. We get together and look around going, oh, 759 00:43:26,510 --> 00:43:28,830 S2: you had a hard week too. Me too. Okay, let's 760 00:43:28,830 --> 00:43:31,310 S2: go back in the 10,000 minutes with Jesus. 761 00:43:32,070 --> 00:43:34,790 S1: Okay. Lightning round, as we come to the end of 762 00:43:34,790 --> 00:43:38,590 S1: our program, what is success if you boiled it down? 763 00:43:38,590 --> 00:43:41,270 S1: Tim Timmons success is what? 764 00:43:42,750 --> 00:43:46,590 S2: Oh, that my kids and everybody around me would know 765 00:43:46,590 --> 00:43:52,469 S2: that I love them. Just period. That I'm for them. Uh, 766 00:43:52,469 --> 00:43:55,390 S2: even my enemies would know that, uh, that would be 767 00:43:55,390 --> 00:43:58,109 S2: a success. Um, that people would say at the end 768 00:43:58,110 --> 00:44:01,689 S2: of my life, that guy, he joined Jesus. He looked 769 00:44:01,690 --> 00:44:03,850 S2: more like Jesus in the end than he did in 770 00:44:03,850 --> 00:44:06,090 S2: the very beginning. So that's a big hope of mine. 771 00:44:06,410 --> 00:44:06,930 S6: What have your. 772 00:44:06,930 --> 00:44:08,010 S1: Kids taught you? 773 00:44:10,570 --> 00:44:13,450 S2: Oh, well, I mean, parenting is the hardest thing I've 774 00:44:13,450 --> 00:44:16,890 S2: ever done by far. And I think what happens in 775 00:44:16,890 --> 00:44:20,610 S2: parenting is that I there's so much revealed in me 776 00:44:20,810 --> 00:44:23,970 S2: about things that I'm like, dang it, that's not beautiful. Um, 777 00:44:24,290 --> 00:44:28,730 S2: that's control or whatever. I think so much my a hero. 778 00:44:28,730 --> 00:44:32,530 S2: Kenton be short. Years ago he said, uh, getting married 779 00:44:32,530 --> 00:44:36,489 S2: is like getting your, uh, masters in character development, you know? 780 00:44:36,530 --> 00:44:39,770 S2: I mean, just getting your masters in character development. But 781 00:44:39,810 --> 00:44:43,050 S2: having kids is like getting your doctorate. And I think 782 00:44:43,050 --> 00:44:48,049 S2: that is so true. So I'm just trying to stay really, um, uh, 783 00:44:48,090 --> 00:44:51,410 S2: nimble and be the first one to admit when I've 784 00:44:51,450 --> 00:44:54,530 S2: blown stuff or I've been lame or I've, you know, 785 00:44:54,570 --> 00:44:56,410 S2: not done something. Well, I want to be the guy 786 00:44:56,410 --> 00:44:58,370 S2: who's owning it all day long. So I think I'm 787 00:44:58,370 --> 00:45:00,280 S2: getting better at that as a dad. 788 00:45:00,960 --> 00:45:03,360 S1: And if you had not met Hillary, you'd be a 789 00:45:03,360 --> 00:45:06,320 S1: different person without Hillary in your life, right? 790 00:45:06,360 --> 00:45:09,920 S2: Oh, yes. Yes. I could have married a bunch of 791 00:45:09,920 --> 00:45:14,680 S2: different people, which is great, but Hillary has made me, um, gosh, 792 00:45:14,719 --> 00:45:17,759 S2: we've we've refined each other so much. And what a gift. 793 00:45:17,800 --> 00:45:20,399 S2: We work so hard at marriage, and I'm just so 794 00:45:20,400 --> 00:45:21,520 S2: thankful for that woman. 795 00:45:22,440 --> 00:45:26,520 S1: Um, Milo, I think it's Ventimiglia. Is that how you 796 00:45:26,560 --> 00:45:29,359 S1: say his name? Yep. Okay. Yep. So Milo said on 797 00:45:29,360 --> 00:45:32,919 S1: This Morning Show, Tim Timmons is one of the most 798 00:45:32,920 --> 00:45:36,359 S1: amazing and kindest people you will ever meet. And I 799 00:45:36,360 --> 00:45:39,360 S1: could tell when he was saying it, he really meant it. He. 800 00:45:39,360 --> 00:45:42,280 S1: He played you in the film. You guys have gotten 801 00:45:42,280 --> 00:45:45,760 S1: to know each other since then. And I think he's right. 802 00:45:45,760 --> 00:45:49,560 S1: You're pretty amazing. You're pretty kind. And the reason is 803 00:45:49,760 --> 00:45:53,080 S1: because you've gotten closer to Jesus and he's done something. 804 00:45:53,080 --> 00:45:57,120 S1: He's he's transformed you. I can tell it. And, uh, 805 00:45:57,120 --> 00:45:59,100 S1: so keep doing that. Keep breathing. Okay. 806 00:45:59,140 --> 00:46:01,819 S2: Thank you friend. Chris. What a what a great time 807 00:46:01,820 --> 00:46:03,899 S2: with you. You are a good man, I love it. 808 00:46:03,900 --> 00:46:05,900 S2: I'll have it anytime you want. Call me up. 809 00:46:06,219 --> 00:46:08,100 S1: We'll do it. And and you're going to be out 810 00:46:08,100 --> 00:46:11,180 S1: singing real soon. I didn't mention that as I saw you're. 811 00:46:11,180 --> 00:46:12,820 S1: You're traveling pretty soon, right? 812 00:46:12,860 --> 00:46:15,540 S2: Yep. I'll be on tour with mercy Me and, uh, 813 00:46:15,540 --> 00:46:17,899 S2: Big Daddy weave and and Sam Wesley will be out 814 00:46:17,900 --> 00:46:20,260 S2: for this part of the year, I think, almost all year. 815 00:46:20,260 --> 00:46:22,340 S2: But it'll be so fun. So if you guys look 816 00:46:22,340 --> 00:46:25,580 S2: for me, go to Tim timmons.com and see if I'm 817 00:46:25,580 --> 00:46:26,380 S2: in your neighborhood. 818 00:46:26,980 --> 00:46:29,500 S1: He's the guy. He'll either be wearing a hat or 819 00:46:29,500 --> 00:46:33,060 S1: he'll be bald and he'll have an X on his wrist. Okay, Tim. 820 00:46:33,060 --> 00:46:35,900 S1: Thank you. Thanks for being with us. Thank you. The 821 00:46:35,900 --> 00:46:39,219 S1: book is Waking Up Again A Journey of Grief and 822 00:46:39,219 --> 00:46:42,940 S1: Gratitude by Tim and Hilary Timmons. You can find out 823 00:46:42,940 --> 00:46:47,339 S1: more crisp for Colleen Chow tomorrow right here at the 824 00:46:47,340 --> 00:46:50,660 S1: Radio Backyard Fence, a production of Moody Radio, a ministry 825 00:46:50,660 --> 00:46:52,540 S1: of Moody Bible Institute.