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S2: Practical from the Bible. Tips and tricks to kill. Not

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S1: Delivering the truth daily.

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S4: All of my attempts to, you know, prop myself up

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S2: The gospel changes everything.

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S5: Freedom in Christ. Man, it's like that backpack of cement

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S1: Now from the call of Hope Studios, this is Carl

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S4: He is risen indeed.

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S6: Uh, hope rising. We're going to be tackling it all

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S6: it can feel like, uh, something else. I've got something else.

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S6: Something else. Carl's got to change. Uh, you can feel

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S6: It's Carl and crew. Hope is rising. It's risen. Hope

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S6: But when you think about AI, you're thinking, oh my goodness,

446
00:23:37,230 --> 00:23:39,389
S6: it's enough to freak you out. But what? But when

447
00:23:39,390 --> 00:23:41,550
S6: you look at the hope in it. Drew did a

448
00:23:41,550 --> 00:23:45,229
S6: spectacular job of showing us that all of a sudden, wow,

449
00:23:46,510 --> 00:23:50,870
S6: there's there's a perspective shift. So with our guests this week,

450
00:23:50,869 --> 00:23:54,149
S6: we're asking them to do this, give us the hope

451
00:23:54,150 --> 00:23:57,750
S6: in this thing so that we're not just blown away

452
00:23:57,750 --> 00:24:00,189
S6: with the stuff that we need to change, but blown

453
00:24:00,190 --> 00:24:02,149
S6: away with the one who can change it.

454
00:24:02,150 --> 00:24:04,229
S4: And coming up, we've got a guest who's going to

455
00:24:04,230 --> 00:24:07,710
S4: stay in that same lane right with us. What's the

456
00:24:07,750 --> 00:24:11,830
S4: hope rising in the world of parenting and screens and

457
00:24:12,030 --> 00:24:16,130
S4: happy homes across the country and beyond. Arlene Pellekaan joins us.

458
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S4: Coming up.

459
00:24:17,570 --> 00:24:20,609
S1: This is Karl and crew on Moody Radio.

460
00:24:21,369 --> 00:24:24,330
S6: You know, we're talking Hope rising and you can look

461
00:24:24,330 --> 00:24:29,850
S6: at family. You can look at kids. You can look

462
00:24:29,850 --> 00:24:33,729
S6: at marriage. And man, it can steal hope from you

463
00:24:33,730 --> 00:24:36,449
S6: in a New York second. Right, Ali?

464
00:24:36,490 --> 00:24:36,690
S7: Yeah.

465
00:24:36,730 --> 00:24:40,050
S4: Because so often we can look and it's not what

466
00:24:40,050 --> 00:24:42,250
S4: we had wanted it to be. It's not what we

467
00:24:42,250 --> 00:24:43,409
S4: had thought it would be.

468
00:24:43,930 --> 00:24:48,690
S6: Yeah. We dreamed of something better. Something different. Arlene, it

469
00:24:48,690 --> 00:24:52,210
S6: can zap the hope from us. And that's no joking, right, sister?

470
00:24:52,450 --> 00:24:55,610
S9: Yes, it can zap the hope from us, that's for sure.

471
00:24:55,810 --> 00:24:57,450
S9: You're just. When you said that. I thought of all

472
00:24:57,450 --> 00:24:59,650
S9: the years that we could not have children. And just

473
00:24:59,650 --> 00:25:02,290
S9: thinking of, like, Lord, when are we going to have children?

474
00:25:02,690 --> 00:25:05,850
S9: And after having an operation in different things, it's like

475
00:25:05,890 --> 00:25:08,170
S9: we have children. We have three, you know. So but

476
00:25:08,210 --> 00:25:11,090
S9: in those moments, it's like, wow, when is this going

477
00:25:11,130 --> 00:25:11,659
S9: to work?

478
00:25:11,820 --> 00:25:14,500
S6: Now, before we give a full introduction, you have children.

479
00:25:14,500 --> 00:25:17,220
S6: But the good thing for you, Arlene, is that you've

480
00:25:17,619 --> 00:25:20,940
S6: you've got so many resources, so many answers that you've

481
00:25:20,940 --> 00:25:23,619
S6: never had problems with those children, but you can.

482
00:25:23,900 --> 00:25:24,420
S7: Ha ha.

483
00:25:24,859 --> 00:25:27,060
S6: All right. Now we'll give the introduction here.

484
00:25:27,220 --> 00:25:30,700
S4: Arlene Pelican, our guest speaker, author, host of the Happy

485
00:25:30,740 --> 00:25:34,220
S4: Home podcast. You know, you had wanted to take us

486
00:25:34,220 --> 00:25:37,820
S4: to On the Road to Emmaus, which let's do that.

487
00:25:37,859 --> 00:25:40,820
S9: Yeah. And I will give kudos to the my pastor,

488
00:25:40,820 --> 00:25:43,580
S9: pastor Josh for this one. But you know, we know

489
00:25:43,580 --> 00:25:48,460
S9: the story. Jesus is risen. The disciples are leaving Jerusalem

490
00:25:48,460 --> 00:25:52,340
S9: with their hearts just completely broken, and they're walking down

491
00:25:52,340 --> 00:25:55,220
S9: the road and they're talking about all these things. And

492
00:25:55,220 --> 00:25:57,700
S9: Jesus comes and he walks with them, and they don't

493
00:25:57,700 --> 00:26:00,460
S9: know it's Jesus, which is very funny, right? Like, hey,

494
00:26:00,500 --> 00:26:04,300
S9: what's going on guys? What's, what's happening? Bros. And so

495
00:26:04,340 --> 00:26:07,460
S9: they talk about, are you not the only one who

496
00:26:07,460 --> 00:26:10,400
S9: doesn't know about this? And you know, how many times

497
00:26:10,400 --> 00:26:12,439
S9: have we said to God, you know, are you the

498
00:26:12,440 --> 00:26:15,560
S9: only one God who does not see the problems in

499
00:26:15,560 --> 00:26:19,800
S9: my family? And they say this line, we had hoped

500
00:26:20,200 --> 00:26:23,880
S9: he would be the one to redeem Israel. And and

501
00:26:23,880 --> 00:26:27,639
S9: so here their hopes are dashed. They're leaving. And Jesus

502
00:26:27,640 --> 00:26:31,359
S9: meets them where they are. He's walking with them that

503
00:26:31,359 --> 00:26:34,359
S9: he you know, the walk probably took 2.5 hours. So

504
00:26:34,359 --> 00:26:37,720
S9: this is some time he's taking with them and he

505
00:26:37,720 --> 00:26:41,679
S9: reasons with them. So first their minds, right. He reasons

506
00:26:41,680 --> 00:26:44,480
S9: with them about Moses in the scriptures. Their their minds

507
00:26:44,480 --> 00:26:47,920
S9: are engaged, but they still don't see. And it's in

508
00:26:47,920 --> 00:26:51,680
S9: the moment where he breaks bread, you know, communion language

509
00:26:51,680 --> 00:26:53,520
S9: that he's going to take the bread, he's going to

510
00:26:53,520 --> 00:26:55,480
S9: break it, he's going to give it, bless it. He's

511
00:26:55,480 --> 00:26:58,399
S9: going to give it to them. And in that moment,

512
00:26:58,400 --> 00:27:03,360
S9: when they recall Jesus's broken body, it's like in that brokenness,

513
00:27:03,600 --> 00:27:08,290
S9: then they see him and it was like, wait, Wow. When?

514
00:27:08,290 --> 00:27:11,570
S9: When we sometimes as a family, as a marriage, right?

515
00:27:11,570 --> 00:27:15,010
S9: You're falling apart with kids, your adult kids, they're so

516
00:27:15,010 --> 00:27:17,570
S9: far away from God, you don't know what to do.

517
00:27:17,570 --> 00:27:19,930
S9: And you're not seeing God. You're not feeling God. We

518
00:27:19,970 --> 00:27:22,649
S9: had hoped that God would have fixed this by now.

519
00:27:23,250 --> 00:27:25,370
S9: I think in that moment where we see, wow, that

520
00:27:25,369 --> 00:27:29,170
S9: is Jesus who was broken for me, broken for my

521
00:27:29,170 --> 00:27:33,170
S9: heart's broken for my family. And when we understand that's

522
00:27:33,369 --> 00:27:36,170
S9: how much you love us, that's the price you paid

523
00:27:36,170 --> 00:27:40,410
S9: for us, that hope can still be alive and, and say, wow,

524
00:27:40,410 --> 00:27:43,410
S9: it's him. And so after that happens, we know all

525
00:27:43,410 --> 00:27:47,210
S9: of a sudden they're re-energized. Even though it's nighttime, Jesus

526
00:27:47,210 --> 00:27:49,570
S9: has disappeared. Now they're going to truck it. They're going

527
00:27:49,570 --> 00:27:53,330
S9: to probably start running back to Jerusalem. And they're going

528
00:27:53,369 --> 00:27:57,169
S9: to say to the disciples, it's true. Yeah, he is risen.

529
00:27:57,170 --> 00:28:00,530
S9: It's true. And so if you're in that moment where

530
00:28:00,570 --> 00:28:04,650
S9: it doesn't feel true to know like, okay, I'm going

531
00:28:04,690 --> 00:28:06,950
S9: to experience this week, Lord, I'm going to seek you

532
00:28:06,950 --> 00:28:08,950
S9: and I'm going to see your broken body. I'm going

533
00:28:08,990 --> 00:28:11,470
S9: to recall that of Easter that you are risen, and

534
00:28:11,470 --> 00:28:14,190
S9: I'm going to recall that you broke for me, and

535
00:28:14,190 --> 00:28:16,150
S9: I'm going to come back with that story. It is

536
00:28:16,150 --> 00:28:19,350
S9: true God's going to help my family. It is true.

537
00:28:19,550 --> 00:28:23,310
S6: Arlene Pilikian, our guest right now. What a great, great word.

538
00:28:23,310 --> 00:28:27,590
S6: Because I think there there is I go back to

539
00:28:28,030 --> 00:28:30,389
S6: my bride and I used to do these marriages, marriage

540
00:28:30,390 --> 00:28:32,630
S6: conferences called Weekends to Remember.

541
00:28:32,670 --> 00:28:33,550
S9: Yeah, I remember.

542
00:28:33,550 --> 00:28:33,950
S6: Yes.

543
00:28:33,990 --> 00:28:35,270
S9: And I've been on those too.

544
00:28:35,310 --> 00:28:38,190
S6: They're great. And my bride and I went all around

545
00:28:38,190 --> 00:28:42,150
S6: the country speaking to these just ballrooms filled with people

546
00:28:42,150 --> 00:28:46,670
S6: that had hope and expectation. And they came because no marriage.

547
00:28:47,110 --> 00:28:50,110
S6: If you say you got to figure it out, you

548
00:28:50,110 --> 00:28:53,150
S6: really need to ask your spouse for some honest feedback

549
00:28:53,150 --> 00:28:56,190
S6: here because you don't. So there's no one that's got

550
00:28:56,190 --> 00:28:58,709
S6: it all figured out. And these people were oftentimes broken.

551
00:28:58,710 --> 00:29:01,670
S6: And here's been our hope for this week. And you

552
00:29:01,670 --> 00:29:04,800
S6: just nailed it. The interesting thing here is I told

553
00:29:04,800 --> 00:29:06,920
S6: Dennis Rainey, I said, we got a lot of great

554
00:29:06,920 --> 00:29:11,080
S6: truth here. Family life leader extraordinaire. But I said, Dennis,

555
00:29:11,120 --> 00:29:14,200
S6: if we don't connect these people with the power source,

556
00:29:14,200 --> 00:29:19,640
S6: which is broken, humble contrition before a holy God, these

557
00:29:19,640 --> 00:29:25,760
S6: are band aids. These are little man centered strategies. And, Arlene,

558
00:29:25,760 --> 00:29:29,400
S6: what I love about you is that you give great truth,

559
00:29:29,680 --> 00:29:32,720
S6: but it's got to be embedded in a heart that's

560
00:29:32,920 --> 00:29:37,120
S6: bowed low before God, that sees him as the solution

561
00:29:37,120 --> 00:29:40,240
S6: ultimately for our challenges. Right? Speak to that.

562
00:29:40,280 --> 00:29:42,560
S9: You know, I'm thinking about social media and the brokenness

563
00:29:42,560 --> 00:29:45,640
S9: that comes from a kid that's on video games all

564
00:29:45,640 --> 00:29:47,600
S9: day or on social media all day, right? And you

565
00:29:47,600 --> 00:29:49,680
S9: think like, where did my child go? You know, so

566
00:29:49,680 --> 00:29:52,920
S9: many people who say, you know, my kid's 13, my

567
00:29:52,920 --> 00:29:57,240
S9: kid's 15, where did they go? And, and yes, social

568
00:29:57,240 --> 00:30:00,440
S9: media and all of those things are meant to be addictive.

569
00:30:00,440 --> 00:30:03,090
S9: And they, they are. I mean, they've been very successful

570
00:30:03,090 --> 00:30:06,330
S9: in that way to capture our attention. But underneath that,

571
00:30:06,650 --> 00:30:09,530
S9: for us to say, wait, do we fear God more?

572
00:30:09,570 --> 00:30:11,970
S9: Do we fear man more? Because a lot of times

573
00:30:11,970 --> 00:30:15,610
S9: we as parents will give things right? We'll say, okay, well,

574
00:30:15,650 --> 00:30:17,690
S9: I don't want you to be unpopular or I don't

575
00:30:17,690 --> 00:30:20,450
S9: want you to feel left out. And those are valid things.

576
00:30:20,810 --> 00:30:23,890
S9: But perhaps that greater question is, wait a minute, child

577
00:30:23,890 --> 00:30:25,610
S9: of mine, if I give this to you, if I

578
00:30:25,650 --> 00:30:28,810
S9: allow this in your life, what is this going to

579
00:30:28,810 --> 00:30:30,970
S9: do to your soul? What is this going to do

580
00:30:30,970 --> 00:30:34,170
S9: to your future life with God, to the hope in

581
00:30:34,170 --> 00:30:36,970
S9: your heart that exists right now? I mean, talk about

582
00:30:36,970 --> 00:30:40,330
S9: a hope squasher. You know, spend an hour on social

583
00:30:40,330 --> 00:30:42,850
S9: media and you'll realize like, oh my goodness, I don't

584
00:30:42,850 --> 00:30:46,650
S9: look right. I don't have the right things. Nobody likes me. Right?

585
00:30:46,650 --> 00:30:51,690
S9: That's a hope. Squasher. So that goes back to Lord,

586
00:30:52,050 --> 00:30:55,290
S9: you know, it's you. You are the one that's important,

587
00:30:55,330 --> 00:30:58,010
S9: not these things. So I think that fear of man

588
00:30:58,010 --> 00:31:01,870
S9: or fear of God, um, is a huge thing underneath that.

589
00:31:01,910 --> 00:31:05,030
S4: Arlene Pelican, our guests right now. Coming up, let's connect

590
00:31:05,030 --> 00:31:08,230
S4: those two. The the we had hoped when we can

591
00:31:08,230 --> 00:31:11,630
S4: look at our family or our, our marriages even. And

592
00:31:11,630 --> 00:31:14,790
S4: then this, this social media, these the battle with screens

593
00:31:14,790 --> 00:31:18,270
S4: that every parent knows so well. How can we connect

594
00:31:18,270 --> 00:31:22,430
S4: those two and practical strategies to kind of get back

595
00:31:22,590 --> 00:31:25,390
S4: that hope that we had for our families more with

596
00:31:25,390 --> 00:31:26,310
S4: Arlene coming up.

597
00:31:26,910 --> 00:31:30,190
S1: Helping you take the next step in your walk with Jesus.

598
00:31:30,230 --> 00:31:34,390
S6: God longs for us today to seek him and ask

599
00:31:34,390 --> 00:31:36,590
S6: him to move in ways that we never could.

600
00:31:36,710 --> 00:31:38,590
S1: You're listening to Carl and Cru.

601
00:31:38,870 --> 00:31:41,910
S4: My kid is on their screen all day long. I

602
00:31:41,910 --> 00:31:43,870
S4: can't get the phone out of their hand. I can't

603
00:31:43,870 --> 00:31:45,950
S4: get them to put down the video game.

604
00:31:46,550 --> 00:31:47,550
S6: This is big, isn't it?

605
00:31:47,910 --> 00:31:50,310
S4: It's huge. It's huge. I have a 16 year old

606
00:31:50,310 --> 00:31:53,590
S4: and a 13 year old. These are constant. I don't

607
00:31:53,590 --> 00:31:56,190
S4: want to use the word battles, but that's probably accurate.

608
00:31:56,710 --> 00:32:00,120
S4: That's probably accurate to describe what it can sometimes feel

609
00:32:00,120 --> 00:32:03,600
S4: like when you're trying to set those limits in a

610
00:32:03,600 --> 00:32:07,480
S4: healthy way. Arlene Pellekaan offers some help for us this morning. Speaker, author,

611
00:32:07,480 --> 00:32:10,080
S4: host of the Happy Home podcast. He talked a little

612
00:32:10,120 --> 00:32:12,959
S4: bit about the story, The Road to Emmaus and the

613
00:32:13,000 --> 00:32:16,400
S4: we had hoped and you know, when many of us

614
00:32:16,400 --> 00:32:19,840
S4: as parents look at the, the, our children's relationships with

615
00:32:19,840 --> 00:32:21,840
S4: screens and we had hoped that this would be a

616
00:32:21,840 --> 00:32:26,000
S4: little bit different. Give us some practical strategies to help

617
00:32:26,200 --> 00:32:30,240
S4: reclaim some of the time and set some boundaries and

618
00:32:30,240 --> 00:32:31,080
S4: healthy limits.

619
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S9: We're going to look at a very strange place for

620
00:32:33,840 --> 00:32:37,120
S9: some help today, and that is the country of Indonesia.

621
00:32:37,120 --> 00:32:40,120
S9: So I my family is from Indonesia. I was born

622
00:32:40,120 --> 00:32:43,000
S9: here in the States, and Indonesia has just passed this

623
00:32:43,000 --> 00:32:47,880
S9: law that for kids that they cannot create accounts until

624
00:32:47,880 --> 00:32:51,600
S9: they are 16 years old, not just on social media,

625
00:32:51,600 --> 00:32:56,120
S9: but on any harmful, addictive platform. Good. So what this

626
00:32:56,260 --> 00:32:59,180
S9: means is they can look at YouTube, they can look

627
00:32:59,220 --> 00:33:02,020
S9: at Instagram, they can look at TikTok, but they cannot

628
00:33:02,020 --> 00:33:05,820
S9: make their own account. And the reason being, obviously, and

629
00:33:05,820 --> 00:33:08,460
S9: this is where I think we as parents can be like, hello,

630
00:33:08,740 --> 00:33:11,820
S9: I am going to be like the Ministry of Communication

631
00:33:11,820 --> 00:33:15,380
S9: and Digital Affairs in my own home. And I am

632
00:33:15,420 --> 00:33:18,740
S9: going to say, if this thing that you're using has,

633
00:33:19,060 --> 00:33:21,700
S9: because basically what Indonesia is saying to the tech companies

634
00:33:21,700 --> 00:33:26,140
S9: is you have to disable your addictive features. And they're

635
00:33:26,140 --> 00:33:30,540
S9: trying not to say like, it's not content necessarily. It is,

636
00:33:30,540 --> 00:33:34,340
S9: but it's more like you have to make this system

637
00:33:34,580 --> 00:33:39,780
S9: more kid friendly or else we're going to penalize you, right? So,

638
00:33:39,780 --> 00:33:42,460
S9: so things like they can't do the infinite scrolling like

639
00:33:42,460 --> 00:33:46,620
S9: it needs to end. Um, they, they shouldn't see like counts.

640
00:33:46,620 --> 00:33:50,020
S9: They should not see content recommendations based on the user

641
00:33:50,020 --> 00:33:53,340
S9: data so that they're not always being served things. They

642
00:33:53,340 --> 00:33:56,630
S9: want to protect minors from being found by strangers that

643
00:33:56,630 --> 00:34:00,350
S9: you could not connect with a stranger. So for, you know,

644
00:34:00,350 --> 00:34:04,310
S9: and then obviously, you know, violence, sexually pornography, explicit materials

645
00:34:04,310 --> 00:34:07,229
S9: to block those things. So as a parent, let's say

646
00:34:07,230 --> 00:34:09,630
S9: I say, you know what child of mine, that's great.

647
00:34:09,630 --> 00:34:11,790
S9: You want to play a video game, you want to

648
00:34:11,790 --> 00:34:15,430
S9: do social media. Wonderful. But these are the rules. And

649
00:34:15,430 --> 00:34:18,710
S9: let's just understand these are to protect you. Like I

650
00:34:18,710 --> 00:34:20,630
S9: don't want you to be able to find a stranger.

651
00:34:20,630 --> 00:34:22,629
S9: I don't want a stranger to be able to find you.

652
00:34:22,670 --> 00:34:25,190
S9: I don't want you to be able to access pornography

653
00:34:25,190 --> 00:34:27,549
S9: because that's going to really mess up your brain. I

654
00:34:27,550 --> 00:34:29,350
S9: don't want you to be addicted to this, that all

655
00:34:29,350 --> 00:34:31,950
S9: of a sudden you can't go out and play with

656
00:34:31,950 --> 00:34:34,710
S9: your friends anymore because you're sitting here, you know, and

657
00:34:34,750 --> 00:34:36,950
S9: obviously if you have a young kid, you can, you

658
00:34:36,950 --> 00:34:39,430
S9: can establish this from the beginning, like, hey, we're going

659
00:34:39,469 --> 00:34:42,350
S9: to be like Indonesia. And if this, the whole nation

660
00:34:42,390 --> 00:34:45,030
S9: is going to protect their millions of kids, this way

661
00:34:45,270 --> 00:34:47,750
S9: I can protect you child of mine. And if you

662
00:34:47,750 --> 00:34:50,390
S9: have an older kid, then I do think it is

663
00:34:50,430 --> 00:34:54,370
S9: a talking. You have this conversation of saying, hey, Indonesia's

664
00:34:54,370 --> 00:34:56,169
S9: doing this. What do you think about this? They don't

665
00:34:56,170 --> 00:34:59,609
S9: want kids to have to, you know, compare themselves, the

666
00:34:59,610 --> 00:35:05,330
S9: popularity of themselves against other people. No. No late night notifications,

667
00:35:05,330 --> 00:35:10,170
S9: no more extreme content, no contact by strangers via messaging.

668
00:35:10,170 --> 00:35:12,130
S9: What do you think about this? Hey, how can we

669
00:35:12,170 --> 00:35:14,089
S9: set this up for you? Yeah. I mean, even if

670
00:35:14,090 --> 00:35:16,969
S9: you're 18, even if you're 18 years old, you know,

671
00:35:17,010 --> 00:35:19,569
S9: how can we help you get to this point in

672
00:35:19,570 --> 00:35:22,090
S9: your life? You know? And again, like we've been talking

673
00:35:22,090 --> 00:35:25,210
S9: about hope rising, you know, pray this in if you've

674
00:35:25,210 --> 00:35:27,529
S9: got a teenager, I think this is a good step

675
00:35:27,530 --> 00:35:29,410
S9: in the right direction. A lot of countries are starting

676
00:35:29,410 --> 00:35:30,090
S9: to wake up.

677
00:35:30,410 --> 00:35:33,530
S6: This is common sense. Arlene. I mean, it. Here's what's

678
00:35:33,690 --> 00:35:36,930
S6: here's what's encouraging to me. Schools all around the country

679
00:35:36,969 --> 00:35:39,689
S6: now are you've got to check cell phones at the door.

680
00:35:39,730 --> 00:35:42,730
S6: You can't carry them into class, which is just hello.

681
00:35:42,930 --> 00:35:47,090
S6: This is like no brainer low hanging fruit. So here's

682
00:35:47,090 --> 00:35:50,410
S6: here's my thought on this one. God never says no

683
00:35:50,540 --> 00:35:54,940
S6: without a bigger yes. That is my absolute firm contention.

684
00:35:54,940 --> 00:35:57,740
S6: He never says, you got to say no to that

685
00:35:57,780 --> 00:36:02,060
S6: without it being inextricably linked to the greater reward that's

686
00:36:02,060 --> 00:36:05,380
S6: found in him. So I've always said this. Yeah, that

687
00:36:05,380 --> 00:36:10,219
S6: parenting is hard as it is. We should never respond

688
00:36:10,219 --> 00:36:12,939
S6: when we say something because I said so. We should

689
00:36:12,940 --> 00:36:17,500
S6: probably take the time to explain because I said so.

690
00:36:17,500 --> 00:36:21,380
S6: But here's what's behind my words and how important is

691
00:36:21,380 --> 00:36:23,140
S6: the bigger. Yes. Arlene.

692
00:36:23,140 --> 00:36:25,819
S9: Yes, it's so true. You could say because I said

693
00:36:25,820 --> 00:36:28,060
S9: so if your kid is too. But after that, don't

694
00:36:28,060 --> 00:36:31,740
S9: do that. That's true. That bigger. Yes of I want

695
00:36:31,739 --> 00:36:34,980
S9: you child of mine. You know, a girl just said

696
00:36:34,980 --> 00:36:38,100
S9: this to me about social media. When I'm on social media,

697
00:36:38,380 --> 00:36:41,620
S9: I'm thinking about what they want me to think about.

698
00:36:41,940 --> 00:36:44,460
S9: But when I'm not on it, I get to think

699
00:36:44,460 --> 00:36:47,780
S9: my own thoughts and I get to talk to God,

700
00:36:47,780 --> 00:36:50,680
S9: and I get to do other things, you know? So

701
00:36:50,880 --> 00:36:53,480
S9: I was so encouraged by this realization by she was

702
00:36:53,480 --> 00:36:57,760
S9: probably 16. Of realizing, hey, that bigger. Yes is you

703
00:36:57,760 --> 00:37:01,120
S9: get to now talk to your creator. You get to

704
00:37:01,160 --> 00:37:04,759
S9: discover your own gifts and what you're good at and

705
00:37:04,760 --> 00:37:07,680
S9: what you like and what you are encoded to do

706
00:37:08,080 --> 00:37:12,799
S9: instead of, oh, I just spend hours on this thing,

707
00:37:12,800 --> 00:37:15,960
S9: which is molding me into the pattern of this world.

708
00:37:16,280 --> 00:37:21,600
S9: So the bigger. Yes. Is your child walking in freedom

709
00:37:21,600 --> 00:37:26,560
S9: from addiction? Walking in purpose of what they are finding out.

710
00:37:26,560 --> 00:37:28,399
S9: Like what am I here to do on this earth?

711
00:37:28,440 --> 00:37:30,280
S9: You know, I'm 16 years old. What am I supposed

712
00:37:30,280 --> 00:37:33,760
S9: to do on this earth? Belonging that they belong with God.

713
00:37:33,760 --> 00:37:36,759
S9: They belong with you as their family identity as a

714
00:37:36,760 --> 00:37:39,359
S9: child of God. All of those things are that bigger. Yes.

715
00:37:39,360 --> 00:37:42,279
S9: That are worth the headaches of being like, okay, we're

716
00:37:42,280 --> 00:37:44,520
S9: going to have to pull this back a little bit.

717
00:37:44,560 --> 00:37:47,370
S4: Arlene Pelikan, our guest right now, you know, if we're

718
00:37:47,410 --> 00:37:50,090
S4: honest with ourselves, though, it's not just the kids.

719
00:37:50,410 --> 00:37:51,770
S9: Oh, my word, it's so true.

720
00:37:51,810 --> 00:37:52,170
S4: I mean.

721
00:37:52,210 --> 00:37:53,050
S9: It's so true.

722
00:37:53,090 --> 00:37:57,730
S6: Oh, now you take a perfectly good segment. I'm totally joking.

723
00:37:57,770 --> 00:37:58,370
S6: Natalie's spot.

724
00:37:58,410 --> 00:37:58,569
S7: On.

725
00:37:58,730 --> 00:38:01,250
S4: No, I mean, I some I look at my own

726
00:38:01,250 --> 00:38:04,490
S4: relationship with screens sometimes, and I, and I go, okay,

727
00:38:04,530 --> 00:38:06,850
S4: I am telling my teenagers this.

728
00:38:07,610 --> 00:38:08,570
S9: Right? Right.

729
00:38:08,570 --> 00:38:14,810
S4: But am I modeling? Yeah. Consistently. Phone habits that I

730
00:38:14,810 --> 00:38:18,129
S4: would want for them. And that's that's something we got

731
00:38:18,170 --> 00:38:19,610
S4: to talk about too. Right?

732
00:38:19,890 --> 00:38:22,810
S9: Right. And then we're always coming back and saying, you know,

733
00:38:22,850 --> 00:38:25,970
S9: child of mine, I'm really sorry. You know, the question is,

734
00:38:26,010 --> 00:38:29,850
S9: if my child uses technology just like me, would I

735
00:38:29,890 --> 00:38:32,650
S9: be happy? And in a lot of days, the answer

736
00:38:32,650 --> 00:38:34,810
S9: for all of us would be like, whoops, you know,

737
00:38:34,850 --> 00:38:37,370
S9: because the algorithm is just as good as hooking us

738
00:38:37,370 --> 00:38:40,009
S9: as hooking them. And it might be really good. Like, oh,

739
00:38:40,050 --> 00:38:44,250
S9: I'm watching sermon after sermon after sermon, honestly, or I'm

740
00:38:44,250 --> 00:38:47,509
S9: watching like things about social media and harmful addiction and,

741
00:38:47,550 --> 00:38:49,270
S9: you know, and I'm like, oh, this is so good

742
00:38:49,270 --> 00:38:52,350
S9: for my work. And then I'm realizing like, wait a minute,

743
00:38:52,350 --> 00:38:54,830
S9: they have sucked me in this rabbit hole for 20

744
00:38:54,830 --> 00:38:57,230
S9: minutes that I did not mean to even go down.

745
00:38:57,350 --> 00:39:01,590
S9: So this is for everyone. So I think that awareness

746
00:39:01,590 --> 00:39:04,950
S9: and then being able to apologize to your children and

747
00:39:04,950 --> 00:39:08,390
S9: start again and write that hope rising. And if you know,

748
00:39:08,430 --> 00:39:11,070
S9: this is like challenges for the whole family. Hey guys,

749
00:39:11,070 --> 00:39:13,670
S9: let's all get off social media for one week and

750
00:39:13,670 --> 00:39:16,390
S9: see who cracks first. Hey guys, let's go for a

751
00:39:16,390 --> 00:39:18,989
S9: YouTube fast, you know, and and do that for two

752
00:39:18,989 --> 00:39:21,830
S9: weeks and see who cracks first. Just try to make

753
00:39:21,830 --> 00:39:24,669
S9: this as fun as possible. But the point is, we

754
00:39:24,670 --> 00:39:27,509
S9: all need help with this. And the reason kids are

755
00:39:27,510 --> 00:39:31,390
S9: not succeeding is because we as parents are not succeeding

756
00:39:31,390 --> 00:39:34,110
S9: or we don't even care. We don't even want to try.

757
00:39:34,390 --> 00:39:36,509
S9: So part of it is we've got to want to

758
00:39:36,550 --> 00:39:37,350
S9: try again.

759
00:39:37,510 --> 00:39:37,950
S7: Yeah.

760
00:39:37,989 --> 00:39:42,469
S6: Beautiful. We've got content for you and it's got a

761
00:39:42,469 --> 00:39:45,920
S6: few things that are run through it. River runs through it.

762
00:39:45,920 --> 00:39:48,760
S6: Red thread of redemption runs through it. It all comes

763
00:39:48,760 --> 00:39:52,520
S6: back to God who is our hope. And don't be discouraged.

764
00:39:52,520 --> 00:39:55,840
S6: I know you can get kicked in the teeth going, ah,

765
00:39:56,640 --> 00:39:59,080
S6: how are we going to get around this corner? I'll

766
00:39:59,080 --> 00:40:00,600
S6: tell you what, at the end of the day, apart

767
00:40:00,600 --> 00:40:02,319
S6: from God, we can do nothing.

768
00:40:02,320 --> 00:40:02,960
S7: So true.

769
00:40:03,360 --> 00:40:05,120
S6: I mean, we can't do anything, right, Ali?

770
00:40:05,680 --> 00:40:07,319
S4: I mean, that's you're going to hear us say that

771
00:40:07,320 --> 00:40:09,000
S4: hopefully more than anything else.

772
00:40:09,200 --> 00:40:12,600
S6: Yeah. But with him. Look out then. These resources that

773
00:40:12,600 --> 00:40:15,600
S6: we're giving you right now, they become powerful.

774
00:40:15,800 --> 00:40:21,880
S4: For Arlene Pelican, our guest. Just text happy to (800) 555-7898.

775
00:40:21,920 --> 00:40:25,360
S4: We mentioned she hosts the Happy Home podcast just text

776
00:40:25,440 --> 00:40:29,239
S4: happy to 800 555 7898.

777
00:40:30,280 --> 00:40:33,359
S1: This is Carl and crew on Moody Radio.

778
00:40:33,840 --> 00:40:36,680
S6: All right, so I feel like I owe some explanation.

779
00:40:36,680 --> 00:40:38,759
S6: We're going to get into that. But first let me

780
00:40:38,760 --> 00:40:41,020
S6: begin with he is risen.

781
00:40:41,260 --> 00:40:41,660
S3: He is.

782
00:40:41,900 --> 00:40:43,460
S4: Risen indeed!

783
00:40:44,420 --> 00:40:45,020
S5: Amen.

784
00:40:45,540 --> 00:40:47,060
S6: It was right on the edge.

785
00:40:47,300 --> 00:40:47,980
S4: Of what?

786
00:40:48,260 --> 00:40:50,620
S6: Of not being strong enough. But it was strong enough.

787
00:40:50,620 --> 00:40:52,860
S6: It was right there. But it was resolute.

788
00:40:52,900 --> 00:40:55,859
S4: I felt it get another shot at it.

789
00:40:55,860 --> 00:40:57,060
S2: That's how I lived through high school.

790
00:40:57,100 --> 00:40:58,219
S6: He is risen.

791
00:40:58,380 --> 00:41:03,660
S4: He is risen indeed. Diana, where were you? I was there. Oh,

792
00:41:04,420 --> 00:41:05,540
S4: I thought we lost our voice.

793
00:41:05,540 --> 00:41:05,940
S3: No.

794
00:41:07,219 --> 00:41:09,540
S6: I thought it was just weird. I think your mic

795
00:41:09,540 --> 00:41:12,180
S6: was off, so we got to try it one more time.

796
00:41:12,180 --> 00:41:14,859
S6: It was off. Yeah, it was. So we'll try it again.

797
00:41:14,860 --> 00:41:16,700
S6: Here we go. He is risen.

798
00:41:16,940 --> 00:41:19,060
S3: He is risen indeed.

799
00:41:20,020 --> 00:41:21,820
S6: Well, that time we know we had her in there.

800
00:41:22,180 --> 00:41:22,660
S2: She was in.

801
00:41:22,660 --> 00:41:22,899
S3: There.

802
00:41:22,940 --> 00:41:24,339
S6: Because she's.

803
00:41:24,460 --> 00:41:25,820
S3: She's eyes bugged out.

804
00:41:25,860 --> 00:41:28,219
S6: Eyes bugged out of her head. And she was going

805
00:41:28,219 --> 00:41:30,220
S6: for it. She had her hands in the air. That's

806
00:41:30,219 --> 00:41:34,219
S6: the good thing about Super Di. With that Greek heritage,

807
00:41:34,219 --> 00:41:36,740
S6: nothing is said without hands moving.

808
00:41:36,780 --> 00:41:37,860
S3: You know, if I'm talking.

809
00:41:39,110 --> 00:41:43,150
S6: Well, I mean, traffic. Guys, I'm telling you, I can't

810
00:41:43,150 --> 00:41:45,430
S6: wait till we get everything digitized. We might have to

811
00:41:45,430 --> 00:41:48,350
S6: do a special little digital thing on YouTube.

812
00:41:48,390 --> 00:41:49,070
S2: People can watch.

813
00:41:49,070 --> 00:41:50,510
S6: It. Super died doing traffic.

814
00:41:50,550 --> 00:41:54,390
S4: Just just the hand motions. Oh. She describes the different

815
00:41:54,390 --> 00:41:57,710
S4: expressways where the traffic is building and the hands move.

816
00:41:57,790 --> 00:41:59,270
S4: You know, it's so great.

817
00:41:59,310 --> 00:41:59,790
S3: It's like.

818
00:41:59,790 --> 00:42:00,390
S2: An interpretive.

819
00:42:00,390 --> 00:42:01,550
S3: Dance. It adds.

820
00:42:01,550 --> 00:42:02,790
S4: To it. Yeah. Interpreter.

821
00:42:02,830 --> 00:42:05,870
S6: She's explaining her life story. Even being in the John

822
00:42:05,870 --> 00:42:09,870
S6: Hancock building. I mean, she's going up to the observatory deck,

823
00:42:09,910 --> 00:42:12,189
S6: you know, and she's she's up there and then she's

824
00:42:12,190 --> 00:42:14,589
S6: down on her knees, broken before the Lord, and then

825
00:42:14,590 --> 00:42:16,549
S6: tears are coming down. Her eyes and hands are coming

826
00:42:16,550 --> 00:42:17,630
S6: with tears down her eyes.

827
00:42:17,750 --> 00:42:21,310
S4: A good story needs lots and lots of hand motions.

828
00:42:21,750 --> 00:42:26,150
S6: We got the hand motions. We got it. He's risen indeed.

829
00:42:26,230 --> 00:42:29,310
S4: So what's the explanation that you needed to give?

830
00:42:29,350 --> 00:42:29,790
S3: Yeah.

831
00:42:30,270 --> 00:42:31,029
S4: That's what you came.

832
00:42:31,070 --> 00:42:32,549
S2: You said I need to give an explanation.

833
00:42:32,750 --> 00:42:33,430
S4: But first.

834
00:42:33,469 --> 00:42:34,350
S2: But first. He's risen.

835
00:42:34,390 --> 00:42:36,430
S6: Oh, the explanation is up. Um.

836
00:42:36,430 --> 00:42:37,070
S3: We've changed.

837
00:42:37,130 --> 00:42:41,330
S6: We're shifting gears here big time, going from showcase, which

838
00:42:41,330 --> 00:42:43,689
S6: we used to do a lot of. And that was

839
00:42:43,690 --> 00:42:48,210
S6: a good tool. Yeah. But guys, this is even better.

840
00:42:48,210 --> 00:42:50,169
S6: And I really mean that. We're not going to we're

841
00:42:50,170 --> 00:42:54,009
S6: not going to showcase show much anymore. So if you

842
00:42:54,010 --> 00:42:56,930
S6: love hearing that, that word's going bye bye. And the

843
00:42:56,930 --> 00:43:02,730
S6: reason is, is we know that 99 percentile of you

844
00:43:02,730 --> 00:43:06,930
S6: have access to apps. In fact, you can barely do

845
00:43:06,930 --> 00:43:10,649
S6: banking or anything anymore without apps. I mean, they got

846
00:43:10,650 --> 00:43:12,730
S6: you they got you by the neck on this one.

847
00:43:12,770 --> 00:43:15,210
S2: Yeah. There are some banks that are completely digital and

848
00:43:15,210 --> 00:43:18,130
S2: and you can't walk into a place. You have to

849
00:43:18,130 --> 00:43:18,890
S2: have an app.

850
00:43:19,170 --> 00:43:23,930
S6: Yeah. The place I bank, it's in an old school bank.

851
00:43:24,370 --> 00:43:27,129
S6: So you've got all these cubes lined up and they've

852
00:43:27,130 --> 00:43:29,689
S6: never kind of dealt with all. I mean, they've got

853
00:43:29,690 --> 00:43:33,650
S6: like 15 cubicles, but one is open.

854
00:43:33,969 --> 00:43:36,739
S4: Well that's the funny thing is now the banking experience

855
00:43:36,739 --> 00:43:38,540
S4: is so much different. I mean, at least for me,

856
00:43:38,540 --> 00:43:40,379
S4: I feel like when I walk into a bank, which

857
00:43:40,380 --> 00:43:43,299
S4: doesn't happen often, but they, I kind of get this

858
00:43:43,300 --> 00:43:45,899
S4: look like you didn't want to do this online.

859
00:43:46,660 --> 00:43:49,660
S3: Why are you say that? Do you see that there's.

860
00:43:49,660 --> 00:43:52,259
S4: Like the kiosk there that you can. And I mean,

861
00:43:52,300 --> 00:43:54,739
S4: and it's, it's loving, but I definitely feel kind of

862
00:43:54,780 --> 00:43:57,140
S4: the sense of, you know, that there's an easier way to.

863
00:43:57,140 --> 00:43:57,899
S3: Do this, right?

864
00:43:57,940 --> 00:43:59,740
S6: Well, they walk up with their iPad in hand.

865
00:43:59,900 --> 00:44:01,220
S3: How can I help you?

866
00:44:01,540 --> 00:44:03,220
S2: Yeah. If you're not on the app, they are.

867
00:44:03,860 --> 00:44:04,380
S3: Yeah.

868
00:44:04,620 --> 00:44:05,660
S6: Can I help you? And I'm.

869
00:44:05,660 --> 00:44:05,899
S3: Like.

870
00:44:06,380 --> 00:44:08,739
S6: You know, first time I said, nah, I can just

871
00:44:08,739 --> 00:44:10,739
S6: go up here. And she was very kind and said,

872
00:44:10,739 --> 00:44:14,339
S6: I could probably help you here. Then you don't have

873
00:44:14,340 --> 00:44:16,620
S6: to be in line. Then I found.

874
00:44:16,620 --> 00:44:17,780
S3: Out there's a tone.

875
00:44:17,820 --> 00:44:20,580
S6: No, she was no, she was really cool about it. Okay.

876
00:44:20,620 --> 00:44:22,580
S6: I mean, the fact is, they got a lot of

877
00:44:22,580 --> 00:44:24,900
S6: people walking in that are trying to get around the

878
00:44:24,900 --> 00:44:28,660
S6: technology corner. No doubt about it. So all that to say,

879
00:44:29,260 --> 00:44:33,680
S6: if you hear Drew Dickens or you hear anything on

880
00:44:33,680 --> 00:44:35,920
S6: this show and you're like, man, I want to hear

881
00:44:35,920 --> 00:44:38,600
S6: that again. This app is the one stop shop. And

882
00:44:38,600 --> 00:44:41,920
S6: here's why. Because it's not about Carl and crew. It's

883
00:44:41,920 --> 00:44:45,360
S6: about Moody Radio. And there's so much killer content, and

884
00:44:45,360 --> 00:44:48,399
S6: it's actually easier to get the app loaded up. Then

885
00:44:48,400 --> 00:44:51,400
S6: you've got it there and you can listen any time.

886
00:44:51,440 --> 00:44:54,680
S6: 1030 central time we've got our show of the day

887
00:44:54,680 --> 00:44:57,680
S6: loaded up. We did have someone last week say, hey,

888
00:44:57,680 --> 00:44:59,080
S6: you told me the show was going to be there.

889
00:44:59,080 --> 00:45:01,320
S6: It's like two minutes after we got done with the interview.

890
00:45:01,640 --> 00:45:02,839
S3: And it's like.

891
00:45:03,400 --> 00:45:04,360
S6: We're fast.

892
00:45:04,440 --> 00:45:04,839
S3: But we.

893
00:45:04,840 --> 00:45:05,319
S6: Ain't that.

894
00:45:05,320 --> 00:45:06,160
S3: Fast. It's like, give.

895
00:45:06,160 --> 00:45:09,040
S4: Us just like an hour. I promise you it'll be there.

896
00:45:09,040 --> 00:45:11,839
S4: But I was I was pumped that at 902 that

897
00:45:11,840 --> 00:45:14,319
S4: they were that central time. Two minutes after we had

898
00:45:14,320 --> 00:45:16,440
S4: finished the show. They were that excited to hear it again.

899
00:45:16,840 --> 00:45:18,480
S4: That's awesome. Give us an hour.

900
00:45:18,760 --> 00:45:23,799
S6: So get the app app to (800) 555-7898.

901
00:45:23,840 --> 00:45:27,919
S2: And you really can get to any, any shows, you know,

902
00:45:27,960 --> 00:45:32,009
S2: episodes within three clicks of your thumb. Yeah, it's like.

903
00:45:32,050 --> 00:45:32,529
S6: Bang, bang.

904
00:45:32,530 --> 00:45:33,089
S2: Bang open.

905
00:45:33,210 --> 00:45:35,490
S6: Tell them about the compass. Tell them about the compass.

906
00:45:36,090 --> 00:45:38,770
S2: Yeah. So this is iPhone, Android. Whatever you have, it

907
00:45:38,770 --> 00:45:40,770
S2: looks the same. You open up the app right at

908
00:45:40,770 --> 00:45:43,650
S2: the bottom. There's three little buttons. The one dead center

909
00:45:43,650 --> 00:45:47,730
S2: is a compass that says discover. You click on that

910
00:45:47,730 --> 00:45:50,690
S2: and then it opens up a page that has every

911
00:45:50,690 --> 00:45:53,089
S2: show that we have here, every show that's played on

912
00:45:53,130 --> 00:45:55,969
S2: Moody Radio is there. You can click on us, you

913
00:45:55,969 --> 00:45:58,650
S2: can click on any other program. And once you do that,

914
00:45:58,650 --> 00:46:00,730
S2: then it's got the episodes right there that you can

915
00:46:00,730 --> 00:46:03,410
S2: go and you can listen to. And so within three

916
00:46:03,410 --> 00:46:06,169
S2: clicks of the thumb, you open the app, hit discover,

917
00:46:06,450 --> 00:46:09,009
S2: hit our show, all the episodes are there and you're

918
00:46:09,010 --> 00:46:11,290
S2: right there within three clicks. It's super easy and it'll

919
00:46:11,330 --> 00:46:13,450
S2: be there every single time. So you don't have to

920
00:46:13,489 --> 00:46:16,210
S2: worry about how to navigate a system you're not familiar with.

921
00:46:16,250 --> 00:46:17,090
S2: It's super easy.

922
00:46:17,130 --> 00:46:20,410
S6: Okay, red alert, red alert. I got a text here

923
00:46:20,410 --> 00:46:24,610
S6: that is a red alert. Okay, okay, I must be miscommunicating.

924
00:46:24,730 --> 00:46:28,089
S6: This is the text. Oh, I'm so disappointed to hear

925
00:46:28,090 --> 00:46:31,379
S6: you're going only to the app. I prefer listening on

926
00:46:31,380 --> 00:46:33,420
S6: the radio. No no no no no. Does this mean

927
00:46:33,420 --> 00:46:36,259
S6: we won't be able to listen in the car? On

928
00:46:36,260 --> 00:46:41,219
S6: my radio? No. I'm so sorry. No, we're going to

929
00:46:41,260 --> 00:46:41,739
S6: be there.

930
00:46:41,739 --> 00:46:42,500
S2: We're still here.

931
00:46:42,540 --> 00:46:45,620
S6: Oh, the sticks are out there. The antennas are there.

932
00:46:45,620 --> 00:46:51,420
S6: And and terrestrial radio. 95% of you are listening. We're

933
00:46:51,420 --> 00:46:54,460
S6: giving you the app so that when we're off air

934
00:46:54,580 --> 00:46:57,820
S6: and wherever you go in the world, you can have us.

935
00:46:57,820 --> 00:47:00,020
S6: And that's cool. But then you can have all these

936
00:47:00,020 --> 00:47:03,020
S6: resources as well. Glad we got that one, clarified Ali.

937
00:47:03,700 --> 00:47:06,219
S4: Oh boy. I'm sorry that we that we panicked you.

938
00:47:06,260 --> 00:47:08,020
S4: We are not leaving radio.

939
00:47:08,060 --> 00:47:11,260
S2: It is an extra resource. It's not a replacement resource.

940
00:47:12,060 --> 00:47:13,260
S3: Yeah. Whew.

941
00:47:14,580 --> 00:47:15,219
S2: Glad we got that one.

942
00:47:16,460 --> 00:47:16,900
S3: Yeah.

943
00:47:17,060 --> 00:47:18,500
S6: In Swedish uffda.

944
00:47:18,980 --> 00:47:20,419
S3: Oh, that was.

945
00:47:20,420 --> 00:47:25,419
S6: Close. Erin Flicka or polka? I don't know which one

946
00:47:25,420 --> 00:47:28,120
S6: you are, but God bless you. Okay, coming up here

947
00:47:28,120 --> 00:47:30,560
S6: in a moment. Hope, rise and hope is not a

948
00:47:32,000 --> 00:47:35,040
S6: let's go to the affirmative. Hope is in a person.

949
00:47:35,040 --> 00:47:38,279
S6: His name is Jesus. And the question is, how does

950
00:47:38,280 --> 00:47:41,000
S6: hope rise in us? And we're going to break it down.

951
00:47:41,239 --> 00:47:44,319
S1: He's a sports fanatic with a stat for anything you

952
00:47:44,320 --> 00:47:48,560
S1: can think of. Young Thunder is in the crew. It's

953
00:47:48,560 --> 00:47:50,840
S1: Carl and crew on Moody Radio.

954
00:47:51,719 --> 00:47:55,800
S6: Carl and crew helping you take your next step with Jesus. Uh, guys,

955
00:47:55,800 --> 00:48:02,480
S6: I gotta tell you. If you're trying to find hope.

956
00:48:04,560 --> 00:48:07,000
S6: Because we're image bearers and we're made in the image

957
00:48:07,000 --> 00:48:10,600
S6: of God. And there's great teachings in Scripture that, by

958
00:48:10,600 --> 00:48:14,400
S6: the way, even very lost people far from God can leverage.

959
00:48:14,400 --> 00:48:17,160
S6: They can find hope in certain aspects of things. But

960
00:48:17,160 --> 00:48:21,560
S6: that ultimate hope that's embedded in no matter what comes

961
00:48:21,560 --> 00:48:26,210
S6: my way, I will make it. It's the hope is

962
00:48:26,210 --> 00:48:30,250
S6: in a person and his name is Jesus, man. And

963
00:48:30,250 --> 00:48:34,290
S6: I'm not just flapping my gums here. This. We don't

964
00:48:34,290 --> 00:48:37,730
S6: celebrate Easter one and done. I mean, this is. Hope

965
00:48:37,730 --> 00:48:40,330
S6: is rising every day in us, Sally.

966
00:48:40,370 --> 00:48:43,690
S4: You know, I've been thinking about that. Um, the song lyrics.

967
00:48:43,690 --> 00:48:46,610
S4: I think it's from. Oh, I gotta find the song.

968
00:48:46,610 --> 00:48:49,330
S4: But strength for today. And bright.

969
00:48:49,370 --> 00:48:50,370
S3: Hope for.

970
00:48:50,489 --> 00:48:51,529
S4: Tomorrow.

971
00:48:52,370 --> 00:48:56,049
S3: Great is thy faithfulness. Yes. 10,000 beside.

972
00:48:56,210 --> 00:48:58,330
S4: I've just been thinking about that all morning. As you've

973
00:48:58,330 --> 00:49:01,969
S4: been talking about how it's this. Hope is an everyday thing.

974
00:49:01,969 --> 00:49:05,330
S4: That bright hope for tomorrow. There's always a tomorrow.

975
00:49:05,730 --> 00:49:09,450
S6: Yeah. So the question we gotta ask is, all right.

976
00:49:09,450 --> 00:49:12,770
S6: If hope is in Jesus and there's hope for tomorrow,

977
00:49:14,450 --> 00:49:18,650
S6: how does hope rise? So there's multiple ways that you

978
00:49:18,650 --> 00:49:22,370
S6: can see this. But one is so clear because you. Okay,

979
00:49:22,410 --> 00:49:25,950
S6: so the Jesus rose from the dead. And is there

980
00:49:25,950 --> 00:49:29,110
S6: a place in Scripture where we find that same kind

981
00:49:29,110 --> 00:49:32,469
S6: of analogy where you've got to die, and then everything's

982
00:49:32,469 --> 00:49:34,510
S6: going to spring up and it's going to bear fruit?

983
00:49:34,510 --> 00:49:37,550
S6: There is. So let me take you to the context

984
00:49:37,590 --> 00:49:39,750
S6: of this passage. It's found in John 12. You can't

985
00:49:39,750 --> 00:49:43,270
S6: tell that I'm excited at all about this, can you? Oh,

986
00:49:43,310 --> 00:49:44,910
S6: does anyone else love the Word of God?

987
00:49:44,950 --> 00:49:45,390
S3: Oh, yeah.

988
00:49:46,310 --> 00:49:51,509
S6: So here's the context. In John 12, uh, Philip gets approached.

989
00:49:51,510 --> 00:49:54,150
S6: It's at Passover. He gets approached by some Greek guys,

990
00:49:54,150 --> 00:49:58,910
S6: and these Greek guys come up to Philip and they say, hey, listen,

991
00:49:58,910 --> 00:50:02,550
S6: can we see Jesus? Now here's what's really cool. These

992
00:50:02,550 --> 00:50:05,870
S6: are God fearing Greeks who are there for Passover. And

993
00:50:05,870 --> 00:50:09,390
S6: now they've heard that Jesus is the Messiah. And they're like, hey, like,

994
00:50:09,390 --> 00:50:12,510
S6: can we get some time with him? And Philip goes,

995
00:50:12,510 --> 00:50:14,710
S6: Andrew going, hey, we got some Greeks and get some

996
00:50:14,710 --> 00:50:16,830
S6: time with Jesus. What do you think? He says, I

997
00:50:16,830 --> 00:50:19,910
S6: don't know, let's go check with Jesus. So they said, hey,

998
00:50:19,910 --> 00:50:21,710
S6: we got some Greeks out here wanting to get some

999
00:50:21,710 --> 00:50:29,439
S6: time with you. And Jesus says something fascinating for in. Well,

1000
00:50:29,480 --> 00:50:33,080
S6: at least on 4 or 5 occasions, in John two,

1001
00:50:33,120 --> 00:50:36,839
S6: John four, John seven, John eight, he says, the hour

1002
00:50:36,880 --> 00:50:41,280
S6: has not come for me, but this time he looks

1003
00:50:41,280 --> 00:50:44,000
S6: at them, and he answered them. This he says, the

1004
00:50:44,000 --> 00:50:46,560
S6: hour has come for the Son of Man to be glorified.

1005
00:50:46,880 --> 00:50:50,040
S6: Now you might say, oh, great. So you aren't even

1006
00:50:50,040 --> 00:50:53,080
S6: answering the question about the Greeks that are curious. I mean,

1007
00:50:53,120 --> 00:50:56,400
S6: this is why. This is why when you read the Bible,

1008
00:50:56,400 --> 00:51:01,760
S6: you've got to ask it questions. This is inductive Bible study.

1009
00:51:02,280 --> 00:51:05,200
S6: So you got to ask, why didn't he answer the Greeks?

1010
00:51:05,840 --> 00:51:08,320
S6: Why didn't he go talk to him? He did. He

1011
00:51:08,320 --> 00:51:12,200
S6: answered him in a cool way. This is what Jesus said. Truly, truly,

1012
00:51:12,840 --> 00:51:15,960
S6: I say to you, unless a grain of wheat falls

1013
00:51:15,960 --> 00:51:18,839
S6: into the earth and dies, it remains alone. But if

1014
00:51:18,840 --> 00:51:22,420
S6: it dies, it bears much fruit now. Okay, so I'm

1015
00:51:22,420 --> 00:51:24,060
S6: just going to camp on that verse here. There's a

1016
00:51:24,060 --> 00:51:28,100
S6: few things you got to know here. Number one, when

1017
00:51:28,380 --> 00:51:31,060
S6: a seed, a kernel of wheat fell to the ground

1018
00:51:31,060 --> 00:51:34,260
S6: and died in this agrarian culture, they got it, man.

1019
00:51:34,300 --> 00:51:36,779
S6: They may not have been in the wheat farming industry,

1020
00:51:36,780 --> 00:51:39,140
S6: but they knew someone who was right.

1021
00:51:39,180 --> 00:51:39,940
S3: I mean, it was.

1022
00:51:39,980 --> 00:51:42,779
S6: It was like someone in the family was working the

1023
00:51:42,780 --> 00:51:45,300
S6: fields this way, so they knew how it went down. Guys,

1024
00:51:45,300 --> 00:51:49,180
S6: you ready for this? I studied it. One grain of

1025
00:51:49,180 --> 00:51:52,020
S6: wheat can produce 500 stocks.

1026
00:51:54,780 --> 00:51:56,460
S2: That's stocks to one grain of wheat.

1027
00:51:56,500 --> 00:52:04,299
S6: That's a fact. So here's the point. Jesus was saying.

1028
00:52:04,420 --> 00:52:06,339
S6: In fact, I hadn't even shared this yet today. This

1029
00:52:06,340 --> 00:52:09,260
S6: is what he was saying. He said, listen, the Greeks

1030
00:52:09,300 --> 00:52:12,500
S6: want it too. They want this salvation. Great. Here's what's

1031
00:52:12,500 --> 00:52:14,020
S6: going to happen. I'm going to have to die. And

1032
00:52:14,020 --> 00:52:15,779
S6: then this thing's going to spread, and it's going to

1033
00:52:15,780 --> 00:52:19,910
S6: go from Judea, Samaria to the uttermost parts of the earth.

1034
00:52:20,630 --> 00:52:23,230
S6: That's what's. That's what he's saying. Isn't this cool how

1035
00:52:23,230 --> 00:52:24,109
S6: Scripture works together?

1036
00:52:24,150 --> 00:52:25,589
S3: Oh, yeah, I mean, I.

1037
00:52:26,190 --> 00:52:29,710
S6: I want to combust. It's just so awesome. But there's

1038
00:52:29,710 --> 00:52:32,350
S6: something else in here. And it's this word that if

1039
00:52:32,350 --> 00:52:34,350
S6: a grain of wheat does not fall to the ground

1040
00:52:34,350 --> 00:52:37,549
S6: and dies, it remains alone. The Greek word is manas,

1041
00:52:37,550 --> 00:52:42,310
S6: and it means to be unknown, to live alone. It's

1042
00:52:42,310 --> 00:52:45,470
S6: the silent scream of the soul. It's not even demonstrative.

1043
00:52:45,469 --> 00:52:48,750
S6: It's not gnashing of teeth. It's not weeping and wailing.

1044
00:52:48,750 --> 00:52:52,589
S6: It's just this sense of is there more I got

1045
00:52:52,590 --> 00:52:56,629
S6: to be known? And Jesus goes on to say, this

1046
00:52:56,630 --> 00:52:59,109
S6: is the way it is with you too. If you

1047
00:52:59,110 --> 00:53:03,950
S6: love your life, lose it. And whoever hates his life

1048
00:53:03,950 --> 00:53:05,710
S6: in this world will keep it. By the way, be

1049
00:53:05,710 --> 00:53:08,790
S6: careful with that. That's Semitic language because you hear that

1050
00:53:08,790 --> 00:53:10,910
S6: and you back up a few chapters in John and

1051
00:53:10,910 --> 00:53:12,989
S6: you find, oh wow, to follow Jesus, you got to

1052
00:53:13,030 --> 00:53:17,450
S6: hate your mom and dad. The word hate in Semitic language.

1053
00:53:17,690 --> 00:53:19,810
S6: It just meant you've got a binary choice. Are you

1054
00:53:19,810 --> 00:53:21,530
S6: going to love this or you're going to love that?

1055
00:53:21,530 --> 00:53:24,850
S6: So it's hate. It wasn't it wasn't the very hate

1056
00:53:24,850 --> 00:53:29,489
S6: Jesus says speaks against. It was a declaration, boy, I've

1057
00:53:29,489 --> 00:53:31,609
S6: got to decide who I'm going to follow here. So

1058
00:53:31,610 --> 00:53:35,050
S6: we got to be careful. Sometimes English words don't translate well.

1059
00:53:35,050 --> 00:53:38,530
S6: This is a classic case in point. So here's what's

1060
00:53:38,530 --> 00:53:42,970
S6: going on. Jesus says it. And by the way, last

1061
00:53:42,969 --> 00:53:46,090
S6: I checked, let me look around here. Aren't we apprentices

1062
00:53:46,090 --> 00:53:48,770
S6: of Jesus? Hold it. Aren't we following Jesus here.

1063
00:53:49,050 --> 00:53:49,410
S3: Last.

1064
00:53:49,410 --> 00:53:50,130
S4: I checked.

1065
00:53:50,130 --> 00:53:52,370
S6: Okay? That's what we're called to do. That's what a

1066
00:53:52,370 --> 00:53:56,410
S6: disciple is the way of Christ was. He went down,

1067
00:53:56,450 --> 00:53:59,770
S6: descended to death, and then rose again. And he says,

1068
00:53:59,770 --> 00:54:01,810
S6: that's the same way it is for you. And so

1069
00:54:01,810 --> 00:54:03,810
S6: we got a simple question for you.

1070
00:54:03,969 --> 00:54:06,810
S4: We're asking you, what is it? Is that God is

1071
00:54:06,810 --> 00:54:10,810
S4: wanting you to die too? What is that thing that

1072
00:54:10,810 --> 00:54:16,500
S4: God wants you to die to today? 805 55 7898.

1073
00:54:16,540 --> 00:54:18,779
S4: You can text us on this one if you'd like.

1074
00:54:18,820 --> 00:54:20,700
S4: If you want to give us a phone call, sure,

1075
00:54:20,739 --> 00:54:25,620
S4: text might be a little easier. (800) 555-7898. What is God

1076
00:54:25,620 --> 00:54:30,660
S4: asking you to die to? 800 555 7898.

1077
00:54:30,860 --> 00:54:31,300
S3: Yeah.

1078
00:54:31,860 --> 00:54:36,540
S6: It's beautiful. Sometimes texting is is a really cathartic thing, right?

1079
00:54:36,660 --> 00:54:36,940
S3: Yeah.

1080
00:54:36,980 --> 00:54:40,420
S4: Just I mean, when you think about it, it's probably

1081
00:54:40,420 --> 00:54:43,780
S4: not too hard to think about at least one thing.

1082
00:54:44,020 --> 00:54:44,500
S3: Yeah.

1083
00:54:45,140 --> 00:54:49,540
S6: I mean, I got one. We all have them. What

1084
00:54:49,540 --> 00:54:52,940
S6: is God calling you to die to so that you

1085
00:54:52,980 --> 00:54:59,859
S6: can live like never before? What is it, 800 555 78. 98.

1086
00:55:00,460 --> 00:55:03,420
S1: You're listening to Carl and Cru on Moody Radio.

1087
00:55:04,180 --> 00:55:06,779
S6: Yeah, man. Okay, I love this. Getting a lot of

1088
00:55:06,780 --> 00:55:10,379
S6: feedback in here. My tendency to try to make everything

1089
00:55:10,380 --> 00:55:13,319
S6: in my family work out well. I need to die

1090
00:55:13,320 --> 00:55:14,719
S6: to self in that area.

1091
00:55:14,760 --> 00:55:15,080
S2: That's a.

1092
00:55:15,080 --> 00:55:16,800
S3: Big one. Oh, come on then.

1093
00:55:16,840 --> 00:55:20,640
S6: That's a universal. Everybody grown together. And we might have

1094
00:55:20,640 --> 00:55:22,879
S6: a tremor here across America.

1095
00:55:22,920 --> 00:55:23,560
S3: Hands up!

1096
00:55:23,600 --> 00:55:24,400
S2: Oh, man.

1097
00:55:24,560 --> 00:55:25,040
S3: Wow.

1098
00:55:25,480 --> 00:55:26,080
S6: All right, what else.

1099
00:55:26,080 --> 00:55:26,560
S3: Do we have?

1100
00:55:26,719 --> 00:55:32,840
S4: Uh, dying to selfish agendas, to TV, to, uh, marriage issues,

1101
00:55:32,840 --> 00:55:38,360
S4: to time wasted. Dying to pride, to disobedience. Just a

1102
00:55:38,360 --> 00:55:39,520
S4: little bit of what's coming in.

1103
00:55:39,760 --> 00:55:40,920
S10: Boy, this is good.

1104
00:55:41,320 --> 00:55:47,400
S6: I mean, this is no joking, guys. This is discipleship.

1105
00:55:47,880 --> 00:55:50,719
S6: This is what I wake up in the morning to

1106
00:55:50,760 --> 00:55:53,239
S6: ask God. Search me, know me, try me. See if

1107
00:55:53,239 --> 00:55:55,319
S6: there'd be any hurtful way in me and lead me

1108
00:55:55,320 --> 00:55:58,440
S6: in the way everlasting. You know what that does? God

1109
00:55:58,440 --> 00:56:06,200
S6: usually gives me something that needs to die. Now, sometimes it's, uh,

1110
00:56:07,320 --> 00:56:09,960
S6: a bigger yes. Some I need to go do. But

1111
00:56:09,969 --> 00:56:14,290
S6: most often it's something that needs to stop happening.

1112
00:56:15,410 --> 00:56:18,730
S4: Okay, so it's usually a subtraction, not addition.

1113
00:56:18,770 --> 00:56:19,450
S3: Ah, yeah.

1114
00:56:19,650 --> 00:56:22,489
S2: I think most of the time it's subtraction, not addition.

1115
00:56:23,770 --> 00:56:27,370
S6: And that's invariably the way it is because we're taking

1116
00:56:27,370 --> 00:56:29,890
S6: off the old man. By the way, that great metaphor

1117
00:56:29,930 --> 00:56:32,930
S6: that Paul uses in Colossians and Ephesians, that taking off

1118
00:56:32,930 --> 00:56:36,570
S6: and putting on. You can't put on the right stuff

1119
00:56:36,570 --> 00:56:40,330
S6: without disrobing the garbage. And that's what God's calling us

1120
00:56:40,330 --> 00:56:40,689
S6: to do.

1121
00:56:40,730 --> 00:56:45,050
S4: A couple more dying to self in the area of pornography.

1122
00:56:45,370 --> 00:56:49,250
S4: Time wasted. You know, the time wasted thing is interesting

1123
00:56:49,489 --> 00:56:52,569
S4: anger that also came in. I think there's so many.

1124
00:56:52,610 --> 00:56:56,650
S4: We're pulled in so many different ways with distractions that

1125
00:56:56,650 --> 00:56:59,850
S4: that is one that comes up so often. It's I

1126
00:56:59,850 --> 00:57:05,930
S4: think it's the subtle idolatry, honestly. Yeah. That creeps in

1127
00:57:05,969 --> 00:57:09,470
S4: that can be almost undetected, but you have this gnawing

1128
00:57:09,510 --> 00:57:13,310
S4: sense of like, man, I don't get the most. I

1129
00:57:13,310 --> 00:57:16,110
S4: don't make the best use of my time. As Scripture

1130
00:57:16,150 --> 00:57:17,070
S4: calls us to.

1131
00:57:17,550 --> 00:57:21,150
S6: Yeah. An unseized time flows to our weakness. Gordon McDonald

1132
00:57:21,150 --> 00:57:23,189
S6: said that many years ago in ordering your private world.

1133
00:57:23,190 --> 00:57:25,750
S6: And here's what's ironic about that. So if you think

1134
00:57:25,750 --> 00:57:31,270
S6: about that unseized time flows to porn flows to, uh,

1135
00:57:31,550 --> 00:57:33,630
S6: what do you call it? Doomscrolling. Right.

1136
00:57:33,950 --> 00:57:35,669
S4: Scrolling. Netflix bingeing.

1137
00:57:35,710 --> 00:57:36,030
S3: Yeah.

1138
00:57:36,030 --> 00:57:40,830
S6: It goes to of eating empty carbs, literally not spiritually

1139
00:57:40,830 --> 00:57:44,150
S6: empty carbs, but I'm talking food where you're like, and

1140
00:57:44,150 --> 00:57:46,910
S6: I do that too. My goodness. One of the reasons

1141
00:57:46,910 --> 00:57:51,150
S6: my wife hid hid some. She hid some organic, um,

1142
00:57:51,310 --> 00:57:55,830
S6: almond butter pretzels from me and and she doesn't hide

1143
00:57:55,830 --> 00:57:58,350
S6: thing anything, but she put it in her own little area,

1144
00:57:58,350 --> 00:58:00,710
S6: which I can see. And I'm like, hey, man, I

1145
00:58:00,750 --> 00:58:02,990
S6: found those. I said, what's that all about? And I'm

1146
00:58:02,990 --> 00:58:05,310
S6: laughing because I knew the answer. And she goes, they're

1147
00:58:05,310 --> 00:58:07,760
S6: designed to be a snack and you make them a meal.

1148
00:58:09,360 --> 00:58:10,760
S2: She's like, I'd like to have some.

1149
00:58:13,360 --> 00:58:17,320
S6: Oh, funny stuff we do. All right, guys. Uh, just

1150
00:58:17,640 --> 00:58:21,960
S6: put it to death and just say, God, just help

1151
00:58:21,960 --> 00:58:26,520
S6: me put this to death. And if you mean it earnestly,

1152
00:58:26,560 --> 00:58:27,400
S6: he is there.

1153
00:58:27,960 --> 00:58:32,480
S1: A basketball mom who's mastered the dad joke? Ali is

1154
00:58:32,480 --> 00:58:36,160
S1: in the crew. It's Karl and crew on Moody Radio.

1155
00:58:36,640 --> 00:58:37,120
S3: There's a cool.

1156
00:58:37,120 --> 00:58:42,320
S6: Little story here. Mark chapter six. Pretty classic 5000 hungry

1157
00:58:42,320 --> 00:58:44,800
S6: followers of Jesus. And as you said, Ali, that's probably

1158
00:58:44,800 --> 00:58:47,800
S6: 10 to 15,000 people, given they were just doing headcounts

1159
00:58:47,800 --> 00:58:51,320
S6: of men back in the day. And they're hungry and

1160
00:58:52,040 --> 00:58:54,160
S6: they realize all the chick fil A's are shut down

1161
00:58:54,160 --> 00:58:57,360
S6: for the night. It's late in the afternoon and they

1162
00:58:57,360 --> 00:59:00,480
S6: got to feed them. And matter of fact, they said

1163
00:59:00,480 --> 00:59:03,000
S6: they speculated, man, it'd be like 200 days wages to

1164
00:59:03,000 --> 00:59:07,060
S6: go out and get groceries for everybody. Jesus said, how many?

1165
00:59:07,820 --> 00:59:10,220
S6: How many loaves of bread and fish do we have here?

1166
00:59:11,020 --> 00:59:15,100
S6: He said, five loaves of bread and two fish. Imagine

1167
00:59:15,100 --> 00:59:17,380
S6: being on the basket when you start reaching in and

1168
00:59:17,380 --> 00:59:19,620
S6: he says, go feed them. After a while, you don't

1169
00:59:19,620 --> 00:59:21,660
S6: even want to look down because it's like, what in

1170
00:59:21,660 --> 00:59:24,220
S6: the world? What, what in the world?

1171
00:59:24,660 --> 00:59:25,140
S4: How?

1172
00:59:25,900 --> 00:59:29,860
S6: And I have to believe the baskets miraculously multiplied to

1173
00:59:29,860 --> 00:59:33,220
S6: I have to. In fact, there were so many leftovers,

1174
00:59:33,580 --> 00:59:36,500
S6: it filled 12 baskets. So there were a lot of

1175
00:59:36,500 --> 00:59:37,820
S6: baskets hanging out there.

1176
00:59:37,860 --> 00:59:38,300
S3: Yeah.

1177
00:59:38,540 --> 00:59:40,100
S6: And I don't know if they had to dump it.

1178
00:59:40,100 --> 00:59:44,300
S6: I don't know what. But the provision was so profound.

1179
00:59:45,300 --> 00:59:47,580
S6: And we can look at this story, we can get

1180
00:59:47,620 --> 00:59:50,540
S6: hung up on that. But there's one little verse and

1181
00:59:50,540 --> 00:59:55,900
S6: they all ate and were satisfied. We've all been to

1182
00:59:55,940 --> 00:59:59,620
S6: a big old buffet before and walked away disappointed either

1183
00:59:59,620 --> 01:00:04,630
S6: because we ate too much or didn't taste right. But

1184
01:00:04,630 --> 01:00:09,430
S6: what about walking away? Satisfied? The great challenge for the

1185
01:00:09,430 --> 01:00:13,150
S6: Western church. Ali and I know you get this 100%,

1186
01:00:13,150 --> 01:00:16,870
S6: is that we're so fixated on provision that we forget

1187
01:00:16,870 --> 01:00:20,550
S6: that the ultimate provision is what we find in verse 42.

1188
01:00:20,750 --> 01:00:22,550
S6: Satisfaction found in God.

1189
01:00:22,590 --> 01:00:22,990
S3: Yeah.

1190
01:00:23,030 --> 01:00:25,189
S4: I mean, and it's easy. We you hear a lot

1191
01:00:25,190 --> 01:00:29,590
S4: about the prosperity gospel and maybe you reject that outright,

1192
01:00:29,630 --> 01:00:32,750
S4: at least in theory, but it's easy to slip into

1193
01:00:32,790 --> 01:00:35,870
S4: a mentality. I heard a preacher talk about this just

1194
01:00:35,910 --> 01:00:39,950
S4: recently that that says, okay, yes, I want God, but

1195
01:00:39,950 --> 01:00:42,430
S4: I also want the stuff. I kind of want the

1196
01:00:42,430 --> 01:00:44,790
S4: things I want the car and the house. And it's

1197
01:00:44,790 --> 01:00:47,990
S4: not bad to want those things. But when we pursue

1198
01:00:48,030 --> 01:00:51,710
S4: those things to the exclusion of God Himself, then we've

1199
01:00:51,710 --> 01:00:52,669
S4: got a problem.

1200
01:00:52,670 --> 01:00:55,670
S6: We do one of the greatest ways to kind of

1201
01:00:55,710 --> 01:00:59,190
S6: acid test this thing is you got to go to

1202
01:00:59,230 --> 01:01:01,800
S6: a people group. You got to go talk with someone

1203
01:01:01,800 --> 01:01:05,800
S6: who's been around people who don't see the abundance of

1204
01:01:05,800 --> 01:01:09,800
S6: provision that we have. It might be a quarter loaf

1205
01:01:09,800 --> 01:01:13,600
S6: of bread and a quarter of a fish, but boy,

1206
01:01:13,600 --> 01:01:17,760
S6: they've got the satisfaction from God. David, this is real,

1207
01:01:17,760 --> 01:01:18,320
S6: isn't it?

1208
01:01:18,680 --> 01:01:22,760
S11: Yeah, it is. Carl. Natalie. It's, uh. Jesus does provide.

1209
01:01:22,760 --> 01:01:26,360
S11: But you know what? Uh, he satisfies to.

1210
01:01:26,760 --> 01:01:28,800
S4: Doctor David Nelms, our guest right now. He is the

1211
01:01:28,800 --> 01:01:32,840
S4: founder of the Timothy initiative, which exists to advance Christ's

1212
01:01:32,840 --> 01:01:37,560
S4: kingdom by multiplying disciples and disciple making churches around the world.

1213
01:01:37,800 --> 01:01:40,280
S4: You know, a lot has talked about the wealth of

1214
01:01:40,280 --> 01:01:43,120
S4: the American church to the point where maybe we get

1215
01:01:43,120 --> 01:01:45,480
S4: tired of hearing about it, but it is one of

1216
01:01:45,480 --> 01:01:49,560
S4: our greatest blessings, but also one of our greatest challenges. Right?

1217
01:01:49,960 --> 01:01:53,400
S11: It truly is. Uh, we have so much. I think

1218
01:01:53,400 --> 01:01:58,280
S11: we may be the church of Laodicea rich, increased with goods. Uh,

1219
01:01:58,280 --> 01:02:01,100
S11: we seem to have need of nothing. And yet, in

1220
01:02:01,100 --> 01:02:04,300
S11: many cases, we're just the opposite. And one of the

1221
01:02:04,300 --> 01:02:07,140
S11: great blessings of my life is I've been able to

1222
01:02:07,180 --> 01:02:10,620
S11: see and meet and spend time with people that literally

1223
01:02:10,620 --> 01:02:14,460
S11: have nothing, and yet they are just full of joy,

1224
01:02:14,500 --> 01:02:18,060
S11: full of peace. They have Jesus and Jesus. If all

1225
01:02:18,060 --> 01:02:20,300
S11: you have is Jesus, that's really all you need.

1226
01:02:20,340 --> 01:02:23,620
S6: Yeah, I mean, it sounds like a song or a

1227
01:02:23,660 --> 01:02:26,780
S6: pithy statement, but it's more than that. Give us a story, David.

1228
01:02:27,020 --> 01:02:30,660
S6: Someone that just comes to mind right now that it's like, yeah,

1229
01:02:30,660 --> 01:02:32,620
S6: they don't have provision like we have in the West

1230
01:02:32,620 --> 01:02:35,500
S6: at all. But boy, they've got satisfaction big time.

1231
01:02:35,860 --> 01:02:38,500
S11: Carl, I was thinking about a one of our Timothy's

1232
01:02:38,500 --> 01:02:41,500
S11: church planters in, uh, Asian country. I don't want to

1233
01:02:41,500 --> 01:02:46,460
S11: mention the specific name for security reasons, but he was married,

1234
01:02:46,780 --> 01:02:51,780
S11: and it was a very unpleasant marriage. And he was

1235
01:02:51,780 --> 01:02:55,100
S11: a farmer, and he was out in the field working.

1236
01:02:55,140 --> 01:02:59,790
S11: There was an accident. It Blinded him and his wife

1237
01:03:00,350 --> 01:03:04,870
S11: got upset, left him with, uh. I think they had

1238
01:03:04,870 --> 01:03:07,310
S11: 2 or 3 children left. The children too. She ran

1239
01:03:07,310 --> 01:03:10,669
S11: off and married someone else. Actually, in another country. And

1240
01:03:10,670 --> 01:03:14,230
S11: so he's left a very poor guy. Can't see. He

1241
01:03:14,230 --> 01:03:18,590
S11: can't work now. And he's got these kids, and he

1242
01:03:18,590 --> 01:03:23,030
S11: tried to commit suicide. And, uh, he failed at that.

1243
01:03:23,030 --> 01:03:26,030
S11: And one of our Timothy's came across him, led him

1244
01:03:26,030 --> 01:03:29,830
S11: to the Lord. His name was cam. The sorrow left,

1245
01:03:29,870 --> 01:03:33,390
S11: the depression left. In fact, now everyone in the village

1246
01:03:33,390 --> 01:03:36,870
S11: calls them happy cam. That's what they call them. Happy cam.

1247
01:03:36,910 --> 01:03:37,310
S3: Wow.

1248
01:03:37,630 --> 01:03:40,790
S11: God is, uh, provided for them because the provision does

1249
01:03:40,790 --> 01:03:45,110
S11: come too. God has provided for him. But more than that,

1250
01:03:45,430 --> 01:03:48,230
S11: it's just the joy in his heart. Isn't that a

1251
01:03:48,230 --> 01:03:48,870
S11: great story?

1252
01:03:48,910 --> 01:03:49,190
S3: Yeah.

1253
01:03:49,190 --> 01:03:49,950
S6: It's beautiful.

1254
01:03:49,990 --> 01:03:52,870
S4: Phenomenal story. Doctor David Nelms, our guest right now, founder

1255
01:03:52,870 --> 01:03:55,530
S4: of the Timothy Initiative. Give us a little bit more

1256
01:03:55,530 --> 01:04:00,050
S4: about how the initiative operates. Church planting around the world,

1257
01:04:00,050 --> 01:04:02,050
S4: but maybe a little bit different than what we think

1258
01:04:02,050 --> 01:04:04,050
S4: about here in terms of church planting.

1259
01:04:04,410 --> 01:04:09,050
S11: Yeah, we train indigenous local people in local churches. We

1260
01:04:09,050 --> 01:04:12,010
S11: believe the local church is the front lines of ministry,

1261
01:04:12,330 --> 01:04:16,130
S11: and we have national leaders who train pastors that we

1262
01:04:16,130 --> 01:04:18,930
S11: call the Pauls, who in turn train members that we

1263
01:04:18,930 --> 01:04:22,770
S11: call Timothy's to go out and share their story, share

1264
01:04:22,810 --> 01:04:28,050
S11: God's story where they live, work, study, shop, play. And

1265
01:04:28,090 --> 01:04:32,730
S11: as the Timothy's lead people to Christ, they begin starting churches.

1266
01:04:32,850 --> 01:04:37,610
S11: The Timothy disciples, they're Timothy's. We call the Timothy's Timothy Titus.

1267
01:04:37,810 --> 01:04:40,290
S11: And it just keeps going. It's a it's a leadership

1268
01:04:40,290 --> 01:04:43,650
S11: development pipeline. And God has seen fit to bless it.

1269
01:04:43,770 --> 01:04:47,450
S11: The stories are like book of acts. It's just incredible.

1270
01:04:47,930 --> 01:04:51,130
S11: We're in 50 countries right now, and this next year

1271
01:04:51,130 --> 01:04:54,820
S11: we'll be training a little over 200,000 church planters. So

1272
01:04:54,860 --> 01:04:57,740
S11: it's really taken off 200,000.

1273
01:04:58,020 --> 01:05:03,060
S6: Okay. Come on. We plant another little church campus from

1274
01:05:03,060 --> 01:05:07,580
S6: one mothership campus here, and we think we've really done something.

1275
01:05:08,220 --> 01:05:11,100
S6: This is a God thing, though, isn't it? David. And

1276
01:05:12,420 --> 01:05:14,140
S6: I ask you this when we bring you on, but

1277
01:05:14,140 --> 01:05:16,420
S6: I gotta ask it again. What can we learn here?

1278
01:05:16,420 --> 01:05:18,820
S6: What do we need to apply that they've done, that

1279
01:05:18,820 --> 01:05:21,380
S6: they're doing right in these tough areas?

1280
01:05:21,740 --> 01:05:24,260
S11: Well, you know, Carl, I was taught as a kid

1281
01:05:24,260 --> 01:05:28,660
S11: growing up that the book of acts was descriptive. And

1282
01:05:28,660 --> 01:05:31,060
S11: it certainly is. I mean, it tells us what happened,

1283
01:05:31,060 --> 01:05:35,180
S11: but I've come to believe it's not only descriptive, it's prescriptive.

1284
01:05:35,540 --> 01:05:37,820
S11: It also tells us what we're supposed to do.

1285
01:05:37,940 --> 01:05:38,380
S3: Yes.

1286
01:05:38,580 --> 01:05:41,420
S11: And when I read about that early church in the

1287
01:05:41,420 --> 01:05:45,820
S11: book of acts, what I see is faith being filled

1288
01:05:45,820 --> 01:05:51,760
S11: with the Holy Spirit, uh, intentional evangelism, people being discipled

1289
01:05:52,080 --> 01:05:55,400
S11: once they come to Christ church is being started. I

1290
01:05:55,440 --> 01:06:00,840
S11: see them focused entirely on honoring God and the Great Commission.

1291
01:06:01,160 --> 01:06:04,920
S11: And the Great Commission is making disciples who make disciples.

1292
01:06:05,480 --> 01:06:09,040
S11: And so I think somehow we get diverted from that

1293
01:06:09,040 --> 01:06:12,520
S11: or distracted from that sometimes. I know I do, and

1294
01:06:12,560 --> 01:06:16,000
S11: our focus has got to be not on not on

1295
01:06:16,000 --> 01:06:19,400
S11: the size of the crowd, but on making disciples who

1296
01:06:19,400 --> 01:06:22,040
S11: make disciples. And when I say that I'm not anti,

1297
01:06:22,160 --> 01:06:24,400
S11: I'm one of those guys. If you've got 100 chairs

1298
01:06:24,400 --> 01:06:26,360
S11: sitting there, you might as well put somebody in every

1299
01:06:26,360 --> 01:06:28,880
S11: one of them. Yeah. If not, don't buy the chair.

1300
01:06:29,240 --> 01:06:32,560
S11: So I'm, I'm not opposed to growth by any means.

1301
01:06:32,800 --> 01:06:35,120
S11: I think we've been trying to grow though the wrong way.

1302
01:06:35,520 --> 01:06:39,760
S11: I think ultimately the best way to grow multiplication Trump's addition.

1303
01:06:40,120 --> 01:06:42,680
S11: And so if we can make disciples who make disciples,

1304
01:06:42,680 --> 01:06:45,280
S11: who make disciples, I think in the long run we're

1305
01:06:45,280 --> 01:06:47,720
S11: going to reach more anyway. But that's, that's what we

1306
01:06:47,720 --> 01:06:51,450
S11: need to focus on, I think, more just making disciple makers.

1307
01:06:51,890 --> 01:06:53,370
S6: You know, I had a question come to me that

1308
01:06:53,370 --> 01:06:55,970
S6: I've never asked you. And it happened this last week

1309
01:06:55,970 --> 01:06:57,730
S6: while I was with my bride, and I was just

1310
01:06:57,730 --> 01:07:01,930
S6: thinking about this. So I love weekend experiences because I

1311
01:07:01,930 --> 01:07:05,010
S6: think it gives us an opportunity to have a church

1312
01:07:05,010 --> 01:07:07,450
S6: service set aside one time a week where people go

1313
01:07:07,490 --> 01:07:10,250
S6: can bring their friends. That's good, but where we can

1314
01:07:10,250 --> 01:07:14,450
S6: enthrall minds with God. And I think that's dynamite. And

1315
01:07:14,450 --> 01:07:16,610
S6: I think that it can be I think it can

1316
01:07:16,610 --> 01:07:18,930
S6: be a piece of not the whole thing at all,

1317
01:07:18,930 --> 01:07:21,890
S6: but a piece of disciple making, I really do. And

1318
01:07:21,890 --> 01:07:26,890
S6: I mean that because I think it catalyzes this movement.

1319
01:07:26,930 --> 01:07:30,210
S6: There's something about having the largest group that can get

1320
01:07:30,210 --> 01:07:33,370
S6: together together when in in your context, it could be

1321
01:07:33,370 --> 01:07:38,170
S6: 40 that are coming together from ten different churches under trees.

1322
01:07:38,450 --> 01:07:42,090
S6: But are you finding that there is the same kind

1323
01:07:42,090 --> 01:07:45,490
S6: of value in the event? I'm sure they don't put

1324
01:07:45,490 --> 01:07:47,870
S6: the same kind of effort into it that we do

1325
01:07:47,910 --> 01:07:50,670
S6: stateside here, but is there the same kind of value

1326
01:07:50,670 --> 01:07:54,470
S6: to get together, to sing and to gather once a

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S6: week with the larger body, whatever that may be abroad?

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S11: Yeah, absolutely. And I want to say again, I'm not

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S11: one of those anti-big church people by any means. In fact,

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S11: I've pastored a megachurch years gone by and thank God

1331
01:08:08,670 --> 01:08:12,510
S11: for it. I think there's something special about, you know,

1332
01:08:12,510 --> 01:08:15,950
S11: remember the old Promise Keeper events? You'd get 50,000 guys

1333
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S11: in a stadium singing Holy, holy, holy. My goodness.

1334
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S6: I've been there. Power.

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S11: Yeah, yeah. There's something about that. Just the dynamic of it.

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S11: And it's the same everywhere. And so again, I'm not

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01:08:28,189 --> 01:08:31,229
S11: I'm not suggesting that we don't try to have big crowds.

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01:08:31,229 --> 01:08:33,309
S11: They had 3000 on the very first day of the

1339
01:08:33,310 --> 01:08:34,269
S11: very first church.

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S3: Yeah.

1341
01:08:34,950 --> 01:08:38,549
S11: So I don't you know, the story that you started

1342
01:08:38,550 --> 01:08:41,349
S11: out with today? Jesus fed 5000. There were at least

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S11: 5000 people there. And and to know the crowd, somebody

1344
01:08:44,630 --> 01:08:47,320
S11: had to be counting them. Yeah. And so it's not

1345
01:08:47,320 --> 01:08:50,240
S11: that big is not bad. Big is not bad. Big

1346
01:08:50,240 --> 01:08:52,040
S11: is not good. Big is just big.

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S6: And that's a good way.

1348
01:08:53,400 --> 01:08:56,080
S11: And yeah, what we've got to focus on I think

1349
01:08:56,120 --> 01:08:58,479
S11: is more. I don't think when we get to heaven

1350
01:08:58,479 --> 01:09:01,160
S11: it's going to be, hey, you only had a little church,

1351
01:09:01,160 --> 01:09:03,200
S11: you're bad or you had a big church. You're good.

1352
01:09:03,200 --> 01:09:05,240
S11: I think it's going to be you were obedient. You

1353
01:09:05,280 --> 01:09:08,720
S11: were faithful to follow through on the Great Commission. And

1354
01:09:08,760 --> 01:09:11,559
S11: for that well done, good and faithful servant. And if

1355
01:09:11,560 --> 01:09:13,760
S11: I might add to that, Carl, I don't even think

1356
01:09:13,760 --> 01:09:15,720
S11: the main thing is the Great Commission. I think the

1357
01:09:15,720 --> 01:09:18,519
S11: main thing is the great commandment. I think if we

1358
01:09:18,520 --> 01:09:21,720
S11: love God with all our heart and love people, I

1359
01:09:21,720 --> 01:09:24,840
S11: think the Great Commission will just naturally flow out of that.

1360
01:09:24,840 --> 01:09:28,240
S11: You can't not love it. Tell people about Jesus when

1361
01:09:28,240 --> 01:09:29,480
S11: you're in love with Jesus.

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S4: Doctor David Nelms, our guest right now. You know, when

1363
01:09:32,120 --> 01:09:34,800
S4: you think about even conversations like this one, it can

1364
01:09:34,840 --> 01:09:38,320
S4: you can easily have the takeaway that the American church

1365
01:09:38,600 --> 01:09:41,400
S4: not so good, the church around the world in poor

1366
01:09:41,439 --> 01:09:44,580
S4: places where they really love Jesus. Well, they're they're nailing

1367
01:09:44,580 --> 01:09:45,660
S4: it and we're not. And it can.

1368
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S3: Feel a little.

1369
01:09:46,420 --> 01:09:49,980
S4: A little discouraging, but we know that God put me here,

1370
01:09:50,180 --> 01:09:54,220
S4: in this place, in my church, in the context that

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01:09:54,220 --> 01:09:56,660
S4: I'm in for a reason. He didn't make a mistake

1372
01:09:56,700 --> 01:09:59,180
S4: putting me here and not somewhere else. How do we

1373
01:09:59,180 --> 01:10:02,900
S4: leverage what we have in the here and now and

1374
01:10:02,939 --> 01:10:06,860
S4: not feel like somehow it's impossible in our context?

1375
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S11: Ali. I always remind myself that I'm a product of

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01:10:10,979 --> 01:10:14,220
S11: the American church, as are you guys, and probably the

1377
01:10:14,220 --> 01:10:18,099
S11: very vast majority of your listeners. And I thank God

1378
01:10:18,100 --> 01:10:20,620
S11: for I thank God for what we have here. I

1379
01:10:20,620 --> 01:10:26,020
S11: thank God for what I've learned and the messages I've heard,

1380
01:10:26,020 --> 01:10:29,939
S11: and the encouragement and the fellowship and the community. It's

1381
01:10:29,939 --> 01:10:33,620
S11: not that. It's not that the American church is a

1382
01:10:33,660 --> 01:10:38,260
S11: bad thing, it's that I think we as individuals, sometimes

1383
01:10:38,500 --> 01:10:42,509
S11: we get distracted from the main thing. Yeah, I remember

1384
01:10:42,510 --> 01:10:44,670
S11: when I was a kid, I used to hear pastors say,

1385
01:10:44,670 --> 01:10:46,550
S11: the main thing is to keep the main thing the

1386
01:10:46,550 --> 01:10:48,790
S11: main thing, but they never told me what the main

1387
01:10:48,790 --> 01:10:49,510
S11: thing was.

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S3: And.

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S11: And I just kind of assumed it was the Great

1390
01:10:53,750 --> 01:10:56,830
S11: Commission by listening to the rest of their sermon. I

1391
01:10:56,830 --> 01:10:59,150
S11: don't think that's it. I think the main thing is

1392
01:10:59,189 --> 01:11:02,990
S11: love God, love people. And, you know, we're talking about

1393
01:11:02,990 --> 01:11:06,750
S11: satisfaction today. When you fall in love with Jesus Christ,

1394
01:11:07,070 --> 01:11:09,269
S11: there's just pure satisfaction.

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01:11:09,310 --> 01:11:09,870
S3: Yes.

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01:11:10,110 --> 01:11:13,509
S11: You know, David said, I'll be satisfied when I awake

1397
01:11:13,550 --> 01:11:16,910
S11: in your likeness and see your likeness. I mean, just

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01:11:16,910 --> 01:11:20,229
S11: being in the presence of Jesus brings satisfaction. And when

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01:11:20,229 --> 01:11:22,790
S11: we gather together as a local body, whether it's here

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01:11:22,790 --> 01:11:25,670
S11: in the States or the other side of the world,

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01:11:25,950 --> 01:11:28,870
S11: when the body comes together, brothers and sisters, and we

1402
01:11:28,870 --> 01:11:33,669
S11: begin praising him, his presence comes down with our praises.

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01:11:33,710 --> 01:11:37,630
S11: As our praises go up and we are satisfied, he

1404
01:11:37,630 --> 01:11:41,450
S11: fills our hearts with joy and peace. And as a

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01:11:41,450 --> 01:11:43,930
S11: result of that, we need to leave that place of

1406
01:11:43,930 --> 01:11:48,770
S11: worship and go out and be busy about our father's business,

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S11: which is the Great Commission.

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S6: Amen. David Nelms is our guest right now, and I'm

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01:11:53,930 --> 01:11:55,849
S6: going to give you a link here in a moment, guys.

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01:11:55,850 --> 01:11:58,410
S6: That's going to allow you. Some of you have heard

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01:11:58,410 --> 01:12:01,410
S6: some of the spots here for t I the Timothy initiative.

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01:12:01,410 --> 01:12:06,450
S6: And you know, I called David Boom crew. Just I

1413
01:12:06,810 --> 01:12:09,210
S6: just one for picking up the phone y set an appointment,

1414
01:12:09,210 --> 01:12:09,530
S6: just pick.

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01:12:09,570 --> 01:12:10,130
S3: Up the phone.

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01:12:10,729 --> 01:12:13,729
S6: So I pick a phone call. David Nelms didn't have

1417
01:12:13,729 --> 01:12:16,849
S6: that weird European ring. So I'm like, oh, good. He's stateside.

1418
01:12:16,850 --> 01:12:18,330
S6: He picks it up. I said, how are you doing?

1419
01:12:18,330 --> 01:12:20,570
S6: You got a minute? He said, sure, I'm in West Africa,

1420
01:12:20,570 --> 01:12:22,849
S6: but I got him in it. I'm like, okay, man,

1421
01:12:23,370 --> 01:12:25,210
S6: so let me pop it to you quickly. I don't

1422
01:12:25,210 --> 01:12:27,050
S6: know if you remember that call, David, but I asked

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01:12:27,050 --> 01:12:31,730
S6: you one specific question. What is the game changer that

1424
01:12:32,010 --> 01:12:37,850
S6: is most changing churches outside of the Western world that

1425
01:12:37,939 --> 01:12:40,139
S6: we could learn from and take away. And you said

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S6: one word and that was obedience. And I found that intriguing.

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01:12:44,260 --> 01:12:46,059
S6: I want you to drill down on that. Why is

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01:12:46,060 --> 01:12:47,460
S6: that such a game changer?

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01:12:47,820 --> 01:12:51,019
S11: When Jesus gave the Great Commission in Matthew 28, 19

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01:12:51,020 --> 01:12:55,820
S11: and 20, he said, go baptize. And then he said,

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01:12:56,420 --> 01:13:01,179
S11: teach them to obey or observe all that I've commanded you.

1432
01:13:01,340 --> 01:13:03,820
S11: I had misread that most of my life. I saw

1433
01:13:03,820 --> 01:13:10,460
S11: the Great Commission is going, baptizing, teaching everything Jesus commanded.

1434
01:13:10,460 --> 01:13:13,139
S11: But he didn't say, teach everything I commanded. He said,

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01:13:13,140 --> 01:13:17,620
S11: teach them to obey everything I commanded. And it's all

1436
01:13:17,620 --> 01:13:20,019
S11: the difference in the world. It's James one if you

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01:13:20,180 --> 01:13:22,340
S11: if you know the word, but do not put it

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01:13:22,340 --> 01:13:27,940
S11: into practice. You have deceived yourself. And I think oftentimes

1439
01:13:27,939 --> 01:13:31,380
S11: we have deceived ourselves into thinking that because we go

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01:13:31,380 --> 01:13:34,140
S11: to church, we hear the word, we can quote it,

1441
01:13:34,180 --> 01:13:37,320
S11: we can find it in the Bible that that we

1442
01:13:37,360 --> 01:13:41,080
S11: are somehow, uh, that that's what God wants. But he's

1443
01:13:41,080 --> 01:13:44,040
S11: very clear there that the Bible was not given for

1444
01:13:44,040 --> 01:13:49,080
S11: the old line of information, but for inspiration and transformation.

1445
01:13:49,120 --> 01:13:52,760
S11: That happy cam story I just told Jesus changed his life.

1446
01:13:53,200 --> 01:13:56,200
S11: He went from wanting to kill himself to being full of,

1447
01:13:56,200 --> 01:13:59,880
S11: of purpose. And so it comes back to not knowing

1448
01:13:59,920 --> 01:14:03,120
S11: the word, but actually putting the word into practice. And

1449
01:14:03,120 --> 01:14:06,679
S11: so it's, we call it obedience based discipleship as opposed

1450
01:14:06,680 --> 01:14:08,600
S11: to knowledge based discipleship.

1451
01:14:08,640 --> 01:14:09,479
S3: Boom. Brother.

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01:14:09,560 --> 01:14:12,040
S4: Doctor. David Nelms, we've got a link for you. Uh,

1453
01:14:12,040 --> 01:14:17,439
S4: text disciple to (800) 555-7898 if you want more on this

1454
01:14:17,439 --> 01:14:24,160
S4: great ministry, the Timothy initiative just text disciple to (800) 555-7898.

1455
01:14:25,320 --> 01:14:29,799
S1: Breaking chains and running free. You're listening to Carl and crew.

1456
01:14:30,080 --> 01:14:31,080
S3: Here's the deal.

1457
01:14:31,120 --> 01:14:33,480
S6: Comes out of Romans eight. We are more than conquerors

1458
01:14:33,479 --> 01:14:35,969
S6: through him who loves us, nothing can separate us from

1459
01:14:35,970 --> 01:14:39,490
S6: the love of God. Famine, nakedness, hardship, sword. I mean,

1460
01:14:39,530 --> 01:14:44,090
S6: it's a it's a phenomenal passage of Scripture. One of

1461
01:14:44,090 --> 01:14:48,929
S6: the great dangers here is that we begin to pray

1462
01:14:48,930 --> 01:14:56,650
S6: for things and ask for that overcoming ness when God

1463
01:14:56,650 --> 01:15:01,490
S6: is wanting to reveal the deeper thing that needs to

1464
01:15:01,490 --> 01:15:05,849
S6: be overcome. Let me illustrate it this way so I

1465
01:15:05,890 --> 01:15:08,849
S6: can pray every morning when I get up and get

1466
01:15:08,890 --> 01:15:14,570
S6: on radio. Oh God, help me overcome my tiredness. Oh God,

1467
01:15:14,570 --> 01:15:17,370
S6: help me overcome that. And by God's grace and goodness,

1468
01:15:17,729 --> 01:15:23,049
S6: he'll do that. But my contention is, if we listen

1469
01:15:23,050 --> 01:15:27,690
S6: a little bit closer, we will hear God saying practical

1470
01:15:27,689 --> 01:15:32,290
S6: things like, Carl, go to bed earlier. Yeah, Carl, keep

1471
01:15:32,500 --> 01:15:36,740
S6: getting your steps in. Karl, keep doing resistance training. All these,

1472
01:15:36,740 --> 01:15:38,979
S6: by the way, are proven things that allow us to

1473
01:15:39,020 --> 01:15:43,700
S6: sleep better, like go to bed earlier. You generally sleep longer,

1474
01:15:44,220 --> 01:15:47,420
S6: you work out a little bit, you generally sleep deeper.

1475
01:15:48,180 --> 01:15:51,900
S6: And I think sometimes we need to be careful that

1476
01:15:51,900 --> 01:15:57,260
S6: we're not keeping going back. Appealing for God's grace to

1477
01:15:57,300 --> 01:16:01,420
S6: overcome something. When the spirit of the living God is

1478
01:16:01,420 --> 01:16:06,500
S6: whispering deeper still to something that needs to change inside us.

1479
01:16:07,140 --> 01:16:09,700
S6: Crawford Lauritzen is here with us. You know where I'm

1480
01:16:09,700 --> 01:16:12,180
S6: going with that, Crawford. Make sense to you, my brother?

1481
01:16:12,340 --> 01:16:15,020
S12: Yes, it does makes perfect sense.

1482
01:16:15,260 --> 01:16:17,420
S6: You've been a pastor for a lot of years. By

1483
01:16:17,420 --> 01:16:21,820
S6: the way. Crawford, president, founder of Beyond Our Generation. He

1484
01:16:21,820 --> 01:16:24,740
S6: is an unbelievable man of God. Dear friend, I love

1485
01:16:24,740 --> 01:16:29,420
S6: this guy. As we disciple people. Crawford. I wonder if

1486
01:16:29,420 --> 01:16:33,920
S6: we need to not just empathize with people as God

1487
01:16:33,920 --> 01:16:36,960
S6: does with us. Empathy is awesome, but I wonder if

1488
01:16:36,960 --> 01:16:39,360
S6: the deeper empathy at times is to go a little

1489
01:16:39,400 --> 01:16:42,799
S6: bit deeper and say, maybe we have a reoccurring need

1490
01:16:42,800 --> 01:16:46,360
S6: here of overcoming that. If we go below the surface,

1491
01:16:46,960 --> 01:16:51,080
S6: we can really see God change some things at our

1492
01:16:51,080 --> 01:16:55,960
S6: core that we won't maybe as readily hit that hurdle again.

1493
01:16:55,960 --> 01:16:57,600
S6: Speak to that for a moment. Crawford.

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01:16:58,080 --> 01:17:01,439
S12: Yeah. You know, God's not into image management. He's not,

1495
01:17:01,479 --> 01:17:05,920
S12: you know, doesn't want to camouflage, uh, the reality that's

1496
01:17:05,920 --> 01:17:08,439
S12: in our hearts and lives. He wants us to be

1497
01:17:08,439 --> 01:17:12,479
S12: transparent and real. And so that means that means getting

1498
01:17:12,479 --> 01:17:16,519
S12: down to the core and dealing with the stuff that, uh,

1499
01:17:16,520 --> 01:17:20,840
S12: that can potentially derail us. And so, Carl, you're all

1500
01:17:20,840 --> 01:17:23,400
S12: over that. I mean, it's the reality of who we

1501
01:17:23,400 --> 01:17:27,200
S12: are and not staying who we are, but overcoming that,

1502
01:17:27,200 --> 01:17:31,170
S12: that produces sustainability in our walk in relationship with Jesus.

1503
01:17:31,210 --> 01:17:33,809
S4: Doctor Crawford is with us right now. How often I

1504
01:17:33,810 --> 01:17:38,330
S4: know you are involved? Often in leadership, in training, in mentoring.

1505
01:17:38,530 --> 01:17:41,050
S4: How often do you see this as an issue where

1506
01:17:41,090 --> 01:17:44,610
S4: someone's bringing to you something, but you can quickly see

1507
01:17:44,610 --> 01:17:46,889
S4: that the thing that they think that they are praying

1508
01:17:46,930 --> 01:17:49,930
S4: to try to overcome is not the real issue.

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01:17:50,570 --> 01:17:53,450
S12: Oh, you know, the way you phrase that question is,

1510
01:17:53,490 --> 01:17:56,929
S12: I mean, it happens all the time. Yeah. In fact,

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01:17:56,930 --> 01:17:59,689
S12: it happens in my own life. Yes. Just like Carl

1512
01:17:59,689 --> 01:18:03,530
S12: said earlier, you. You know, we're so driven to want

1513
01:18:03,530 --> 01:18:07,009
S12: to accomplish the task. Or if there's just people pleasing

1514
01:18:07,010 --> 01:18:09,729
S12: in us, want to put our best foot forward or,

1515
01:18:09,729 --> 01:18:12,410
S12: or this kind of thing, and all that does is

1516
01:18:12,410 --> 01:18:16,290
S12: just compound the problem. And I see that constantly in

1517
01:18:16,290 --> 01:18:20,450
S12: younger leaders who are so impatient about getting the job done,

1518
01:18:20,810 --> 01:18:23,970
S12: and someone who doesn't want you to know that they're

1519
01:18:23,970 --> 01:18:27,590
S12: really failing at home, uh, rather than being honest and

1520
01:18:27,590 --> 01:18:30,950
S12: truthful and facing that. So you can name it and

1521
01:18:30,950 --> 01:18:33,750
S12: work on it and get over it, they keep pushing

1522
01:18:33,750 --> 01:18:34,309
S12: it down.

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01:18:34,630 --> 01:18:38,830
S6: Love that. Crawford, give us a story from your life. Uh,

1524
01:18:38,870 --> 01:18:42,110
S6: peel back whatever you can. At what level of vulnerability.

1525
01:18:42,150 --> 01:18:45,429
S6: What has God helped you overcome?

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01:18:46,030 --> 01:18:48,110
S12: Well, you know, there's an old line that says we

1527
01:18:48,150 --> 01:18:50,590
S12: don't live in heaven and pour down here, meaning that

1528
01:18:50,590 --> 01:18:55,030
S12: we're all working on every single day of our lives.

1529
01:18:55,070 --> 01:18:57,750
S12: I mean, as you walk in the light, you know,

1530
01:18:57,790 --> 01:19:00,470
S12: that's the best disinfectant for the stuff that's wrong in

1531
01:19:00,470 --> 01:19:03,710
S12: your own heart and life. And so, you know, I mean,

1532
01:19:03,750 --> 01:19:06,870
S12: I think earlier on in my and I could go

1533
01:19:06,870 --> 01:19:09,349
S12: back early on in my ministry, there was a level

1534
01:19:09,350 --> 01:19:14,070
S12: of people pleasing that, uh, that made me do things.

1535
01:19:14,110 --> 01:19:16,510
S12: It didn't make me do things that, that pushed me

1536
01:19:16,550 --> 01:19:20,910
S12: toward choosing to do things that that probably wasn't for

1537
01:19:20,910 --> 01:19:23,710
S12: the most noble reason. I didn't want people to think

1538
01:19:23,710 --> 01:19:28,000
S12: of me as being a failure or that kind of thing. And, uh,

1539
01:19:28,200 --> 01:19:31,160
S12: you know, I remember one time the Lord just pushed

1540
01:19:31,160 --> 01:19:33,519
S12: me in a corner and in so many words says,

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01:19:33,760 --> 01:19:35,800
S12: when are you going to get over this? If I'm

1542
01:19:35,840 --> 01:19:39,679
S12: not good enough for you, then what's good enough? Are

1543
01:19:39,680 --> 01:19:42,960
S12: you just promoting your success or are you nurturing a

1544
01:19:42,960 --> 01:19:46,080
S12: reality that is that that will help you to overcome

1545
01:19:46,080 --> 01:19:49,639
S12: this situation? So, you know, and I that's so slaying

1546
01:19:49,640 --> 01:19:52,599
S12: people pleasing earlier on in my life and ministry, uh,

1547
01:19:52,600 --> 01:19:57,280
S12: was was one, uh, oh my goodness, I could, you know, um,

1548
01:19:57,439 --> 01:19:59,400
S12: and people pleasing is the fear of man and all

1549
01:19:59,400 --> 01:20:01,439
S12: these other things. I can give you a litany of things.

1550
01:20:01,439 --> 01:20:05,760
S4: So Doctor Crawford, our guest this morning, uh, give us

1551
01:20:05,760 --> 01:20:08,000
S4: a little bit of how your journey with the Lord began.

1552
01:20:08,000 --> 01:20:11,120
S4: I know you had trusted Christ as your Savior and

1553
01:20:11,120 --> 01:20:12,559
S4: when you were in high school. Give us a little

1554
01:20:12,600 --> 01:20:14,559
S4: bit of your testimony. We'd love to hear it.

1555
01:20:14,600 --> 01:20:18,479
S12: Well, I came to Jesus when I was 13.5 years old,

1556
01:20:18,520 --> 01:20:21,920
S12: and my an older, I had an old, uh, she

1557
01:20:21,960 --> 01:20:24,380
S12: still is my oldest sister? She's in heaven. But she

1558
01:20:24,420 --> 01:20:26,900
S12: had a profound impact on me. And it was a

1559
01:20:26,900 --> 01:20:30,379
S12: small church there in Plainfield, new Jersey, and my pastor

1560
01:20:30,380 --> 01:20:36,259
S12: was bi vocational, but loved young people, uh, poured into, uh,

1561
01:20:36,740 --> 01:20:40,500
S12: and uh, even in those early years, I just had a,

1562
01:20:40,500 --> 01:20:43,179
S12: a hunger for God's word and wanting to see my

1563
01:20:43,180 --> 01:20:47,019
S12: friends come to know Jesus. And, and that was nurtured. Uh,

1564
01:20:47,020 --> 01:20:50,059
S12: those folks in that little church were prayer warriors and

1565
01:20:50,060 --> 01:20:52,660
S12: they would pray for me. It just brings tears in

1566
01:20:52,660 --> 01:20:55,540
S12: my eyes right now as I think about the love

1567
01:20:55,540 --> 01:20:58,740
S12: and prayers of those folks that just, just launched my

1568
01:20:58,740 --> 01:21:01,179
S12: life in ministry. And, and I, of course, I went

1569
01:21:01,180 --> 01:21:02,059
S12: on to, uh.

1570
01:21:02,100 --> 01:21:05,219
S1: Get to know the team behind the scenes, follow Carl

1571
01:21:05,220 --> 01:21:07,540
S1: and crew on Facebook and Instagram.

1572
01:21:08,460 --> 01:21:11,260
S13: People saw things in me that I didn't see in myself.

1573
01:21:11,500 --> 01:21:13,179
S12: Wow. And that's the reason why.

1574
01:21:13,500 --> 01:21:15,700
S13: You know, here we are, some of these.

1575
01:21:15,700 --> 01:21:18,380
S12: Places on third base and we act as if we

1576
01:21:18,380 --> 01:21:23,950
S12: hit a triple, you know? And so Ali, that's been

1577
01:21:24,150 --> 01:21:26,590
S12: the short story, that's been the story of my life.

1578
01:21:26,590 --> 01:21:28,710
S12: And that's the reason why I'm doing what I'm doing today.

1579
01:21:29,110 --> 01:21:31,950
S6: Yeah. And you're doing it well. Crawford is our guest

1580
01:21:31,950 --> 01:21:36,030
S6: and I. Crawford, here's what I want to go. And I,

1581
01:21:36,189 --> 01:21:39,510
S6: I wanted to let you shepherd tens of thousands of

1582
01:21:39,510 --> 01:21:43,990
S6: people here this morning. There's this whole issue of overcoming

1583
01:21:44,030 --> 01:21:45,910
S6: kind of want to go back to where we began,

1584
01:21:46,710 --> 01:21:53,030
S6: that oftentimes there's symptoms of a deeper issue. And here's

1585
01:21:53,030 --> 01:21:57,230
S6: the conviction I have. We have proposed Bible reading. Great.

1586
01:21:57,670 --> 01:22:00,550
S6: Even though Jesus said Bible application is much better because

1587
01:22:00,550 --> 01:22:02,269
S6: one's a house built on the rock, the other one's

1588
01:22:02,270 --> 01:22:07,349
S6: house built on the sand. We've proposed prayer. Great. But

1589
01:22:07,350 --> 01:22:11,630
S6: there's a prayer especially David. O God, search me, know me,

1590
01:22:11,670 --> 01:22:13,910
S6: try me. See if there'd be any hurtful way in

1591
01:22:13,950 --> 01:22:17,469
S6: me and lead me in the way everlasting. Here's here's

1592
01:22:17,470 --> 01:22:20,130
S6: my contention when it comes to overcoming. And my heart

1593
01:22:20,170 --> 01:22:23,490
S6: aches for people right now that are overcoming myriad of

1594
01:22:23,490 --> 01:22:30,530
S6: issues financial challenges, betrayal, relational issues, job loss, um, trying

1595
01:22:30,530 --> 01:22:34,330
S6: to prove themselves to people, which is a horrible hamster wheel.

1596
01:22:35,170 --> 01:22:39,849
S6: What is what goes below Bible reading and prayer that

1597
01:22:39,850 --> 01:22:43,490
S6: the Pharisees, who had a lot of that did not have,

1598
01:22:43,490 --> 01:22:48,130
S6: that we must have to have true freedom in our life. Crawford.

1599
01:22:48,610 --> 01:22:53,090
S12: Well, it is profound brokenness and humility, not as a point,

1600
01:22:53,090 --> 01:22:56,250
S12: but as a process. Carl. The problem is you can

1601
01:22:56,250 --> 01:22:59,530
S12: read the Bible until the cows come home and you can,

1602
01:22:59,570 --> 01:23:01,729
S12: you can sit in small groups and all of that.

1603
01:23:02,010 --> 01:23:04,930
S12: But if you don't take the mask off, if you

1604
01:23:04,970 --> 01:23:09,450
S12: don't embrace the reality, overcoming is not a point. It's

1605
01:23:09,450 --> 01:23:14,889
S12: a process. Overcoming is an ongoing reality where Jesus meets

1606
01:23:14,890 --> 01:23:20,019
S12: us at our point of Transparency. And you've got to

1607
01:23:20,060 --> 01:23:23,260
S12: you've got to open the book and not read it

1608
01:23:23,260 --> 01:23:26,099
S12: for a deliverable or read it to boast and brag

1609
01:23:26,100 --> 01:23:29,340
S12: about how much you know, you open the Word of God.

1610
01:23:29,740 --> 01:23:33,379
S12: It is a mirror to our souls, and the Spirit

1611
01:23:33,380 --> 01:23:36,300
S12: of God is living inside of us. He does not

1612
01:23:36,300 --> 01:23:40,099
S12: just want us to disclose what's wrong with us. He

1613
01:23:40,100 --> 01:23:43,900
S12: wants to deliver us from what's wrong with us. But

1614
01:23:43,939 --> 01:23:48,700
S12: that deliverance cannot take place until I realize that on

1615
01:23:48,700 --> 01:23:52,740
S12: my best day I ain't good enough. But he is, paradoxically,

1616
01:23:52,740 --> 01:23:53,820
S12: my sufficiency.

1617
01:23:54,340 --> 01:23:57,820
S4: Doctor Crawford, you know, I'm curious how much of the

1618
01:23:57,820 --> 01:24:01,019
S4: way our church culture is sort of set up, kind

1619
01:24:01,020 --> 01:24:04,780
S4: of encourages mask wearing in subtle ways that maybe we

1620
01:24:04,820 --> 01:24:07,380
S4: don't even fully realize. You know, even just like the

1621
01:24:07,380 --> 01:24:09,900
S4: way we. Oh, you know, the simple way that we

1622
01:24:09,939 --> 01:24:13,059
S4: greet each other. Most churches have a moment where they say, hey,

1623
01:24:13,100 --> 01:24:15,320
S4: get up and say hi to your neighbor, which is.

1624
01:24:15,560 --> 01:24:16,280
S3: Which is great.

1625
01:24:16,320 --> 01:24:20,440
S6: But Ali's Ali's meddling early this morning. Crawford.

1626
01:24:21,200 --> 01:24:23,160
S12: She gets she gets right down to it.

1627
01:24:23,200 --> 01:24:24,600
S6: Oh, she's meddling.

1628
01:24:25,479 --> 01:24:27,680
S4: But I mean, in those, you know, a minute and

1629
01:24:27,680 --> 01:24:30,599
S4: 30s where you turn and you greet five people and

1630
01:24:30,600 --> 01:24:34,040
S4: you plaster on a smile and you do the perfunctory.

1631
01:24:34,080 --> 01:24:36,960
S4: How's it going, brother? Oh, I'm great. Nice to see you.

1632
01:24:37,160 --> 01:24:40,000
S4: Even a God bless you. Maybe a pat on the shoulder.

1633
01:24:40,400 --> 01:24:42,639
S4: But how much of the way we've kind of structured

1634
01:24:42,640 --> 01:24:45,800
S4: things promotes kind of a mask wearing that is to

1635
01:24:45,840 --> 01:24:48,000
S4: our detriment, and we don't even fully realize it?

1636
01:24:48,400 --> 01:24:50,920
S12: Well, there's a short answer to that. The answer is

1637
01:24:50,920 --> 01:24:53,200
S12: yes with an exclamation mark.

1638
01:24:53,240 --> 01:24:55,040
S3: I mean, and how.

1639
01:24:55,040 --> 01:24:56,000
S4: Do we overcome it.

1640
01:24:56,000 --> 01:24:57,920
S3: I guess. Yeah, I guess that's the question.

1641
01:24:58,400 --> 01:25:01,439
S12: Well, you know, here's here's attention. And this is the

1642
01:25:01,439 --> 01:25:05,800
S12: elephant in the room. Discretion is not dishonesty, right?

1643
01:25:05,840 --> 01:25:06,320
S3: You're right.

1644
01:25:06,800 --> 01:25:10,240
S12: Of course, the flip side of this is you can't

1645
01:25:10,240 --> 01:25:14,490
S12: keep telling people your deepest struggles and this kind of thing.

1646
01:25:14,810 --> 01:25:18,050
S12: Because frankly, you know, you got to ask the question,

1647
01:25:18,050 --> 01:25:19,210
S12: what are they going to do with that?

1648
01:25:19,250 --> 01:25:19,650
S3: Yeah.

1649
01:25:19,850 --> 01:25:23,050
S12: All right. So that's one side of it. But the

1650
01:25:23,050 --> 01:25:27,210
S12: other side is that you kind of stop projecting a

1651
01:25:27,210 --> 01:25:32,250
S12: perfection that doesn't belong to you. MM. And so somewhere

1652
01:25:32,250 --> 01:25:35,330
S12: in the middle is the tension. And I think what

1653
01:25:35,330 --> 01:25:39,890
S12: we need to do is, is not just celebrate the struggle,

1654
01:25:40,210 --> 01:25:43,849
S12: but talk about the reality of the struggle. Jesus as

1655
01:25:43,890 --> 01:25:47,290
S12: as our victory. Yes. And, and we need to create

1656
01:25:47,290 --> 01:25:51,689
S12: environments in our churches where we talk about reality. We

1657
01:25:51,689 --> 01:25:54,770
S12: talk about our struggles, but we talk about how Jesus

1658
01:25:54,970 --> 01:25:58,130
S12: is meeting us there. And that's the way we need

1659
01:25:58,130 --> 01:26:01,129
S12: to do things, I think. You know, we can project

1660
01:26:01,130 --> 01:26:04,130
S12: from a platform because we don't we want people to

1661
01:26:04,130 --> 01:26:06,570
S12: see that the very perfect side of us and all

1662
01:26:06,570 --> 01:26:10,170
S12: of that. But everybody knows that's not real. And that's

1663
01:26:10,170 --> 01:26:13,630
S12: a tad bit Just disingenuous. So I don't know. It's

1664
01:26:13,630 --> 01:26:17,189
S12: capturing that center tension is, I guess, what we need

1665
01:26:17,189 --> 01:26:18,229
S12: to be moving toward.

1666
01:26:18,750 --> 01:26:21,429
S6: Yeah. And I think, Crawford, I want to cheer for you.

1667
01:26:21,470 --> 01:26:24,870
S6: You've you've modeled that so well. And I just got

1668
01:26:24,870 --> 01:26:26,670
S6: to tell you guys, boom crew, I need you to

1669
01:26:26,670 --> 01:26:30,389
S6: hear something right now. I had the privilege of being

1670
01:26:30,390 --> 01:26:34,670
S6: around Crawford once a year, going to Saint Pete Beach

1671
01:26:34,670 --> 01:26:37,630
S6: with a bunch of family life Weekend to remember speakers,

1672
01:26:38,110 --> 01:26:40,630
S6: and we had some time alone or with a smaller

1673
01:26:40,630 --> 01:26:46,750
S6: group of guys. And there is something powerful about a

1674
01:26:46,750 --> 01:26:52,030
S6: man that exhibits not posture before man, but a genuine

1675
01:26:52,030 --> 01:26:55,950
S6: humility before God. And I want to thank you for

1676
01:26:55,950 --> 01:26:58,309
S6: being such a good model of that. Crawford. I mean,

1677
01:26:58,310 --> 01:27:02,150
S6: that and and it's humility is not this self-loathing, woe

1678
01:27:02,229 --> 01:27:05,750
S6: pitiful me thing. Um, but it's, it's genuine. It's more

1679
01:27:05,750 --> 01:27:08,469
S6: than anything else, just crying out and reaffirming for brothers

1680
01:27:08,470 --> 01:27:11,840
S6: and sisters. Wow. I need God today. Every day I

1681
01:27:11,840 --> 01:27:15,840
S6: need him. And I appreciate to Crawford, because I think

1682
01:27:15,880 --> 01:27:19,080
S6: a lot of people in the church today feel like

1683
01:27:19,080 --> 01:27:22,760
S6: the answer for going beyond meet and greet, which can

1684
01:27:22,760 --> 01:27:25,200
S6: be very surface, is, well, I got to get my

1685
01:27:25,200 --> 01:27:27,200
S6: stuff out there. But I love what you said because

1686
01:27:27,200 --> 01:27:29,880
S6: you don't know somebody. You share something with the wrong

1687
01:27:29,880 --> 01:27:32,800
S6: person today. It'll be hanging out of your back tomorrow.

1688
01:27:33,439 --> 01:27:36,200
S6: So we got to be careful with that one.

1689
01:27:36,240 --> 01:27:36,800
S12: Yeah.

1690
01:27:36,960 --> 01:27:39,400
S6: Crawford, I love you. I feel prompted with something here

1691
01:27:39,400 --> 01:27:41,960
S6: we don't often do. Would you pray for everyone that's

1692
01:27:41,960 --> 01:27:44,840
S6: trying to overcome something today as the Spirit of God

1693
01:27:44,880 --> 01:27:45,880
S6: leads you right now?

1694
01:27:46,439 --> 01:27:50,040
S12: Yeah, father, the truth of the matter is, Lord, we're

1695
01:27:50,040 --> 01:27:51,680
S12: all overcoming something.

1696
01:27:51,840 --> 01:27:52,320
S3: Yes.

1697
01:27:52,880 --> 01:27:56,439
S12: And, God, I just pray that you'll help us not

1698
01:27:56,439 --> 01:28:00,920
S12: to magnify the struggle, but to exalt the Lord Jesus

1699
01:28:00,920 --> 01:28:04,719
S12: who meets us in that struggle. And may we quickly

1700
01:28:04,720 --> 01:28:07,740
S12: get to you, and may we stop trying to run

1701
01:28:07,740 --> 01:28:10,099
S12: from you and manage it, and open our hearts and

1702
01:28:10,100 --> 01:28:13,380
S12: our hands and say, Lord, I place this on the altar.

1703
01:28:13,420 --> 01:28:16,460
S12: Give me what I need moment by moment to trust

1704
01:28:16,500 --> 01:28:20,219
S12: you and to place this all in your hands. Father,

1705
01:28:20,220 --> 01:28:24,460
S12: breathe encouragement. Uh, to to in the hearts and minds

1706
01:28:24,460 --> 01:28:27,299
S12: of each one of the listeners. If God can raise

1707
01:28:27,300 --> 01:28:30,259
S12: a dead Jesus, you can handle anything that we're struggling

1708
01:28:30,260 --> 01:28:34,139
S12: with right now. So Lord Jesus, meet us. We pray,

1709
01:28:34,420 --> 01:28:39,420
S12: give hope, give confidence, give, give the gift of humility.

1710
01:28:39,860 --> 01:28:42,540
S12: But more than anything else, help us to know, Lord,

1711
01:28:42,540 --> 01:28:46,660
S12: that we're already overcomers through our Lord and Savior Jesus.

1712
01:28:47,020 --> 01:28:49,660
S12: In Jesus name we pray. Amen.

1713
01:28:49,660 --> 01:28:52,660
S4: Thank you to Crawford Lauritzen, our guest this morning, president

1714
01:28:52,660 --> 01:28:55,780
S4: and founder of Beyond Our Generation. If you want more

1715
01:28:55,780 --> 01:29:02,220
S4: from Doctor Lauritz, just text beyond to (800) 555-7898. Just that

1716
01:29:02,220 --> 01:29:06,580
S4: one word beyond (800) 555-7898.