1 00:00:05,720 --> 00:00:09,440 S1: Welcome to another conversation at the Radio Backyard Fence, the 2 00:00:09,440 --> 00:00:12,160 S1: program from the heart to the heart and for the heart. 3 00:00:12,520 --> 00:00:15,320 S1: Today on Chris Fabry Live, we launch into a discussion 4 00:00:15,320 --> 00:00:19,319 S1: in our continuing series, Voices of Wisdom. I invite a 5 00:00:19,360 --> 00:00:22,160 S1: guest who's a little further down the trail than I am, 6 00:00:22,160 --> 00:00:24,759 S1: and we have an encouraging chat about life in the 7 00:00:24,760 --> 00:00:28,080 S1: Bible and how to live wisely in our world today. 8 00:00:28,080 --> 00:00:32,440 S1: It is unrehearsed, unscripted, except for the script I'm reading 9 00:00:32,440 --> 00:00:35,320 S1: right now. And our guest today on Chris Fabry Live 10 00:00:35,320 --> 00:00:39,279 S1: is a radio legend. She has provided hope to countless 11 00:00:39,280 --> 00:00:44,600 S1: listeners and readers for decades. June Hunt is standing by. First, 12 00:00:44,600 --> 00:00:47,600 S1: let me thank our team, Ryan McConaughey doing all things technical. 13 00:00:47,640 --> 00:00:51,560 S1: Trish is our producer. Lisa's helping out and yesterday we 14 00:00:51,560 --> 00:00:55,120 S1: began a month long celebration of what God has done 15 00:00:55,120 --> 00:01:00,560 S1: in and through Moody radio, July 26. We first went 16 00:01:00,560 --> 00:01:03,040 S1: on the air. Well, I wasn't there, but there were 17 00:01:03,040 --> 00:01:05,560 S1: people who had a vision for what radio might do 18 00:01:05,600 --> 00:01:08,200 S1: in hearts and Lives. And you and I are the 19 00:01:08,200 --> 00:01:11,679 S1: beneficiaries of that gift. I thank you right now. Do 20 00:01:11,680 --> 00:01:15,480 S1: not miss this book by Kevin Mcginnes and Phil Shapard. 21 00:01:15,760 --> 00:01:20,559 S1: This is Moody Radio 100 years proclaiming the gospel. There 22 00:01:20,560 --> 00:01:24,040 S1: are pictures all the way back to the 1920s. The people, 23 00:01:24,040 --> 00:01:28,320 S1: the programs, the music, the radio dramas, the story is told. 24 00:01:28,480 --> 00:01:30,200 S1: And I want to send you a copy. Be as 25 00:01:30,200 --> 00:01:38,440 S1: generous as you can when you call 8669538669532279 or go 26 00:01:38,440 --> 00:01:42,280 S1: to Chris Fabry live.org. Scroll down. You'll see how to 27 00:01:42,280 --> 00:01:47,280 S1: give right there. Chris Fabry live.org. And thank you for 28 00:01:47,280 --> 00:01:51,520 S1: your support of the Radio Backyard Fence. June Hunt is 29 00:01:51,520 --> 00:01:56,480 S1: an author, broadcaster, counselor, singer, speaker, and the founder of 30 00:01:56,480 --> 00:01:59,870 S1: Hope for the heart. She began the ministry back in 31 00:01:59,870 --> 00:02:05,390 S1: 1986 to provide God's truth for today's problems. June developed 32 00:02:05,390 --> 00:02:10,589 S1: the 100 key or 100 topics keys for Living Library. 33 00:02:10,630 --> 00:02:13,389 S1: I'll get that right, June. To provide biblical hope and 34 00:02:13,389 --> 00:02:18,030 S1: practical help on real life issues. Since 1995, she has 35 00:02:18,030 --> 00:02:22,109 S1: shared compassionate biblical guidance with thousands of callers on her 36 00:02:22,110 --> 00:02:25,950 S1: award winning radio broadcast, Hope in the night, which is 37 00:02:25,950 --> 00:02:29,070 S1: a live call in counseling program which she continues to 38 00:02:29,110 --> 00:02:33,150 S1: host host each weeknight. She also founded the Hope center 39 00:02:33,150 --> 00:02:36,430 S1: in 2009, which serves as the permanent home for more 40 00:02:36,430 --> 00:02:41,350 S1: than 60 non-profit Christian ministries. The latest from Hope for 41 00:02:41,350 --> 00:02:44,350 S1: the heart is our featured resource. Today, it's the Care 42 00:02:44,350 --> 00:02:48,510 S1: and Counsel Handbook, which is a guide for overcoming personal 43 00:02:48,510 --> 00:02:52,350 S1: challenges and then becoming equipped to help others. You can 44 00:02:52,350 --> 00:02:58,389 S1: find out more about it@kris.org. June hunt. Welcome to the program. 45 00:02:58,389 --> 00:02:59,430 S1: How are you doing today? 46 00:02:59,710 --> 00:03:03,750 S2: Well, it's a delight to hear your voice. Um, we 47 00:03:03,790 --> 00:03:07,510 S2: go way, way, way back, is all I can say. 48 00:03:07,870 --> 00:03:12,070 S2: You have always been a warm voice, and you're a 49 00:03:12,070 --> 00:03:16,230 S2: warm person. And I thank you for the way Christ 50 00:03:16,710 --> 00:03:18,350 S2: shines through you. Chris. 51 00:03:18,669 --> 00:03:21,989 S1: Ah, June. That's so cool of you to say. And encouraging. 52 00:03:21,990 --> 00:03:24,710 S1: We have a mutual friend by the name of Jim. Chris. 53 00:03:24,710 --> 00:03:27,030 S1: I know he worked with you for many years, didn't he? 54 00:03:27,070 --> 00:03:31,830 S2: Yes, I love Jim. Yeah, he was my co-host, uh, 55 00:03:31,830 --> 00:03:36,470 S2: for the radio program and, uh, in fact, started with me, 56 00:03:36,710 --> 00:03:40,150 S2: the program Hope in the night. And we had all 57 00:03:40,150 --> 00:03:49,310 S2: kinds of callers with. I'm talking about topics that were challenging. Um, uh, 58 00:03:49,310 --> 00:03:53,070 S2: some were unusual, very, very unusual. But, you know, that's 59 00:03:53,070 --> 00:03:57,990 S2: where our world is. We have, Um, uh, many people 60 00:03:57,990 --> 00:04:02,750 S2: have pain that is unspoken, and sometimes it's the first 61 00:04:02,750 --> 00:04:05,589 S2: time that people will get it out to be able 62 00:04:05,590 --> 00:04:10,150 S2: to get out. What has, uh, taken place in their lives. 63 00:04:10,150 --> 00:04:14,070 S2: And I'm one of those who did not share for years. 64 00:04:14,230 --> 00:04:17,190 S2: I just didn't know how to share the pain of 65 00:04:17,190 --> 00:04:21,430 S2: the past. And so, uh, I was pretty shut down 66 00:04:21,430 --> 00:04:26,150 S2: in terms of any people even knowing my background. So 67 00:04:26,190 --> 00:04:31,830 S2: I understand why people don't talk about the very difficult 68 00:04:31,830 --> 00:04:35,390 S2: times of their lives. Um, many times. Well, you don't 69 00:04:35,390 --> 00:04:38,229 S2: have a choice. And you know this, Chris, you don't 70 00:04:38,230 --> 00:04:41,910 S2: have a choice about what family you're growing up in 71 00:04:41,910 --> 00:04:47,870 S2: or who your parents are or not. But the bottom 72 00:04:47,870 --> 00:04:54,469 S2: line is life can be, uh, very, very hard when 73 00:04:54,580 --> 00:04:59,100 S2: you don't know how to even have words. And so 74 00:04:59,860 --> 00:05:04,620 S2: that's a wonderful thing about your program. And, and my program, 75 00:05:04,620 --> 00:05:09,339 S2: as we, we help people get out what the truth 76 00:05:09,339 --> 00:05:13,180 S2: is about their lives, and especially how God wants to 77 00:05:13,180 --> 00:05:17,820 S2: use the pain of the past to literally give us 78 00:05:17,820 --> 00:05:21,339 S2: compassion and, and empathy with others. 79 00:05:21,820 --> 00:05:25,540 S1: What is it about Radio June that because I've seen 80 00:05:25,540 --> 00:05:29,020 S1: this through the years, that people will call even older 81 00:05:29,020 --> 00:05:32,180 S1: listeners who will say, you know, some the secret that 82 00:05:32,180 --> 00:05:34,020 S1: they've held on to, and they'll say, I haven't told 83 00:05:34,020 --> 00:05:39,419 S1: anybody this. What is it about radio that allows that, uh, 84 00:05:39,580 --> 00:05:42,779 S1: the crack in that fissure that says, I've got to 85 00:05:42,779 --> 00:05:44,140 S1: keep this to myself? 86 00:05:45,540 --> 00:05:49,380 S2: Well, first of all, um, if you think about it, 87 00:05:49,380 --> 00:05:55,419 S2: you're not facing someone typically, uh, Eye to eye and 88 00:05:55,700 --> 00:06:01,740 S2: they can. And it depends on if they feel safe 89 00:06:02,100 --> 00:06:07,460 S2: with whoever they're talking with. Like you, uh, do they 90 00:06:07,460 --> 00:06:12,180 S2: feel will they feel judged? Uh, will they feel, um, 91 00:06:12,860 --> 00:06:18,820 S2: worse than what they, than when they are first trying 92 00:06:18,820 --> 00:06:23,260 S2: to communicate, uh, specifics? And I think the one thing 93 00:06:23,260 --> 00:06:29,979 S2: about radio, like you would over the years, you've, you've 94 00:06:29,980 --> 00:06:35,060 S2: learned how to help people have words. It's about how 95 00:06:35,060 --> 00:06:41,900 S2: to form, um, a way to talk about challenging issues 96 00:06:42,100 --> 00:06:46,540 S2: of the past. I think, I think, um, and I 97 00:06:46,580 --> 00:06:50,580 S2: knew nothing, I never even thought about anything with radio. 98 00:06:50,900 --> 00:06:54,409 S2: At times I would be a guest on, um, I'd 99 00:06:54,410 --> 00:06:57,450 S2: already been a, a youth director and a college and 100 00:06:57,450 --> 00:07:03,529 S2: career director, meaning I had somehow been exposed to some 101 00:07:03,570 --> 00:07:10,290 S2: in Christian radio or in Christian ministry. But, um, I 102 00:07:10,330 --> 00:07:15,770 S2: remember being, uh, the age of 40 and these four 103 00:07:15,770 --> 00:07:18,570 S2: men came up to me and said, you need to 104 00:07:18,570 --> 00:07:21,610 S2: be on television first. And I said, no, I have 105 00:07:21,610 --> 00:07:24,770 S2: no desire. And and then later they came back. You 106 00:07:24,810 --> 00:07:27,490 S2: need to be on radio the same four. And they 107 00:07:27,530 --> 00:07:33,530 S2: were these were all radio executives. And, um, I said, well, I, 108 00:07:33,530 --> 00:07:37,370 S2: I really, uh, I have no aspiration in that way. 109 00:07:37,970 --> 00:07:40,810 S2: And they said, June, you've just spoken. This is in 110 00:07:40,810 --> 00:07:46,330 S2: Pennsylvania for a 35th anniversary of an entity of a 111 00:07:46,570 --> 00:07:50,890 S2: radio and television ministry. And I didn't know them at all, 112 00:07:50,890 --> 00:07:55,130 S2: but I was doing there. I was asked to be 113 00:07:55,130 --> 00:07:58,690 S2: there for the weekend and speak. The bottom line is 114 00:07:58,730 --> 00:08:03,810 S2: they said, look, June, you spoke on is your Isaac 115 00:08:03,810 --> 00:08:08,290 S2: on the altar? And only the people there could hear 116 00:08:08,450 --> 00:08:13,330 S2: what you said. But think of it this way. If 117 00:08:13,370 --> 00:08:19,410 S2: you could say those words, then what if that was heard? 118 00:08:19,410 --> 00:08:21,930 S2: That same message was heard here and here and here 119 00:08:21,930 --> 00:08:24,890 S2: and here. And, you know, they made the point of 120 00:08:25,130 --> 00:08:30,290 S2: like 20 other places. And I went, oh, and they 121 00:08:30,290 --> 00:08:35,970 S2: said it what they said, people need to hear the 122 00:08:35,970 --> 00:08:40,010 S2: content of what you've said. And I, I didn't get 123 00:08:40,010 --> 00:08:46,530 S2: it until those four men detailed what why I said, well, 124 00:08:46,850 --> 00:08:49,690 S2: and so then they really wanted me to do this 125 00:08:49,690 --> 00:08:52,209 S2: radio program. And I said, I will not do a 126 00:08:52,210 --> 00:08:56,410 S2: woman's program. Uh, there was only one person, by the way, 127 00:08:56,850 --> 00:09:00,410 S2: of only one female. And it was from Moody. I 128 00:09:00,410 --> 00:09:03,730 S2: did not know her, but, um, there was only one 129 00:09:03,730 --> 00:09:07,610 S2: female on radio at the time, and, you know. That 130 00:09:07,610 --> 00:09:09,170 S2: was back in the dark ages. 131 00:09:09,210 --> 00:09:13,850 S1: But I think that was Dolly Meredith. Isn't that is that. 132 00:09:13,890 --> 00:09:14,170 S1: I think. 133 00:09:14,410 --> 00:09:18,329 S2: I think I, yeah, I, I know okay, the dolly 134 00:09:18,370 --> 00:09:22,690 S2: sounds right, but I'm thinking, okay. I will not do recipes. 135 00:09:23,090 --> 00:09:28,250 S2: I would not because I do burnt offerings. Um, I, I, 136 00:09:28,530 --> 00:09:32,810 S2: I said I would not do diapers. Um, I would 137 00:09:32,809 --> 00:09:38,650 S2: only do topics that are relevant to our culture and 138 00:09:38,650 --> 00:09:43,850 S2: they pleased with what I was saying. And so we 139 00:09:43,850 --> 00:09:49,160 S2: started on 23 stations and then it just grew and 140 00:09:49,160 --> 00:09:54,040 S2: grew and grew. Um, ultimately to be maybe 900 stations now, 141 00:09:54,040 --> 00:09:56,800 S2: but we're not on 900 stations now. But and I 142 00:09:56,800 --> 00:10:00,840 S2: wasn't doing the call in program that came nine, nine 143 00:10:00,840 --> 00:10:06,640 S2: years later where, um, I was told I needed to 144 00:10:06,679 --> 00:10:11,040 S2: be on radio and it actually started in, um, they said, 145 00:10:11,040 --> 00:10:15,640 S2: we want you to do this in Chicago. And I 146 00:10:15,640 --> 00:10:18,200 S2: think that's where you are. Is that not right? 147 00:10:18,559 --> 00:10:21,720 S1: Well, I, I don't live in Chicago anymore. I'm out 148 00:10:21,720 --> 00:10:25,239 S1: in Tucson, but the hub of Moody Radio is in Chicago. 149 00:10:25,240 --> 00:10:28,600 S1: And it's interesting you bring that up because Moody Radio 150 00:10:28,600 --> 00:10:34,600 S1: is a turning 100 years old this July. And so 151 00:10:34,760 --> 00:10:38,440 S1: you just think of the legacy and the people's shoulders 152 00:10:38,440 --> 00:10:41,680 S1: that we stand on. Uh, I'll tell you a quick break. 153 00:10:41,720 --> 00:10:45,400 S1: The founder and CSO chief servant officer of Hope for 154 00:10:45,400 --> 00:10:49,080 S1: the heart, June Hunt is with us today. A featured 155 00:10:49,080 --> 00:10:52,439 S1: resource is the Care and Counsel Handbook from Hope for 156 00:10:52,440 --> 00:10:54,600 S1: the heart. You can find it at the website. Chris 157 00:10:54,640 --> 00:11:00,079 S1: Fabry live.org. Chris Fabry Live more with June straight ahead 158 00:11:00,080 --> 00:11:13,040 S1: on Moody Radio. Thanks for joining us today at the 159 00:11:13,040 --> 00:11:16,640 S1: Radio Backyard Fence. This is Chris Fabry live or programs recorded. 160 00:11:16,640 --> 00:11:20,040 S1: Don't call us, but stay close to your radio because 161 00:11:20,040 --> 00:11:24,280 S1: there is somebody who has a heart for you, a 162 00:11:24,280 --> 00:11:28,240 S1: heart for the hurting, she began. Hope for the heart 163 00:11:28,240 --> 00:11:32,599 S1: in 1986. If my math is correct, that's 40 years ago. 164 00:11:33,120 --> 00:11:35,440 S1: She's a little further down the trail than I am, 165 00:11:35,440 --> 00:11:37,160 S1: so I'm going to pick her brain and ask her 166 00:11:37,160 --> 00:11:42,479 S1: some questions about these topics of wisdom topics. Featured resource 167 00:11:42,520 --> 00:11:45,760 S1: is the Care and Counsel Handbook from Hope for the heart. 168 00:11:45,960 --> 00:11:49,160 S1: And this June is something that people can get, you know, 169 00:11:49,320 --> 00:11:52,640 S1: relational struggles that they're going through. They can go to 170 00:11:52,679 --> 00:11:57,360 S1: that book. But also the idea is so that you 171 00:11:57,400 --> 00:12:00,840 S1: gain from that so that you can help others. That's 172 00:12:00,840 --> 00:12:02,280 S1: the vision for that, isn't it? 173 00:12:02,320 --> 00:12:09,520 S2: Exactly, exactly. You know, I remember when I knew zero, 174 00:12:09,640 --> 00:12:15,760 S2: I knew nothing about authentic Christianity. And all of a sudden, 175 00:12:15,800 --> 00:12:19,440 S2: here I am, 15 and I get exposed for the 176 00:12:19,440 --> 00:12:25,880 S2: first time, um, to actual Christians. Uh, and by the way, 177 00:12:25,880 --> 00:12:29,360 S2: I was asked, are you a Christian? And I said, yes. Um, 178 00:12:29,559 --> 00:12:34,120 S2: all that meant to me was I'm not Jewish. So, uh, 179 00:12:34,120 --> 00:12:36,600 S2: and I, I had been in church, but there was 180 00:12:36,600 --> 00:12:41,720 S2: no Bible I'm talking about every Sunday. There was, I 181 00:12:41,720 --> 00:12:44,750 S2: was my mother wanted us to be in a church, 182 00:12:45,950 --> 00:12:50,110 S2: but we were in the denomination that she grew up 183 00:12:50,110 --> 00:12:56,069 S2: in in Idabel, Oklahoma. And, uh, all of a sudden 184 00:12:56,110 --> 00:13:03,510 S2: now I'm, um, I'm in a church that I didn't 185 00:13:03,510 --> 00:13:07,630 S2: want to be in, but, but, uh, my, my father, 186 00:13:07,630 --> 00:13:11,030 S2: who was an atheist said, you're going to go not 187 00:13:11,030 --> 00:13:14,910 S2: to that church at that denomination. You're going to be. 188 00:13:15,270 --> 00:13:18,470 S2: And so in other words, our, our family of, of 189 00:13:18,510 --> 00:13:24,550 S2: four kids and my mom, um, we then ended up 190 00:13:24,550 --> 00:13:29,670 S2: being at a biblical church. I mean, I mean, but 191 00:13:29,670 --> 00:13:33,230 S2: I didn't know anything about the Bible. And I just 192 00:13:33,230 --> 00:13:39,750 S2: remember seeing students that whatever they had, I wanted it. 193 00:13:40,350 --> 00:13:44,070 S2: And I didn't know anything about the Bible. I didn't 194 00:13:44,110 --> 00:13:47,310 S2: own a Bible. And they said, okay, why don't you 195 00:13:47,309 --> 00:13:52,270 S2: bring you bring your Bible next Sunday? So now I'm 196 00:13:52,309 --> 00:13:55,590 S2: in Sunday school. Well, I had been in Sunday school before, 197 00:13:55,590 --> 00:14:00,790 S2: but again, no Bible. And so Chris, um, I remember 198 00:14:01,350 --> 00:14:04,750 S2: they did a test. They passed out a test. It 199 00:14:04,750 --> 00:14:07,350 S2: was called High School Bible. And you could get one 200 00:14:07,350 --> 00:14:11,470 S2: hour credit for Old Testament, one hour credit for New Testament, uh, 201 00:14:11,510 --> 00:14:16,270 S2: those who were students. And, um, I, I look at 202 00:14:16,270 --> 00:14:21,630 S2: this test and I, I, I'm kind of panicking a 203 00:14:21,630 --> 00:14:24,990 S2: little bit on the inside and I'm looking up and 204 00:14:25,030 --> 00:14:30,670 S2: this teacher comes over and she whispers, don't worry, June. 205 00:14:30,910 --> 00:14:33,670 S2: It just, if there's anyone that, you know, you could 206 00:14:33,670 --> 00:14:36,350 S2: just write it out. But don't worry, don't worry. And 207 00:14:36,350 --> 00:14:39,230 S2: I thought so I this time I prayed, you know, 208 00:14:39,270 --> 00:14:42,500 S2: God help me write something down. That was my prayer. 209 00:14:43,060 --> 00:14:45,620 S2: And finally I thought, wait a minute, I think I've 210 00:14:45,620 --> 00:14:50,180 S2: heard this. What are the four Gospels in the Bible? 211 00:14:50,180 --> 00:14:52,660 S2: And and I thought, I think I've heard it. And 212 00:14:52,660 --> 00:14:56,100 S2: I kept going, what? And I kept going, da da 213 00:14:56,100 --> 00:14:57,860 S2: da da da da da da da da da da 214 00:14:57,860 --> 00:15:00,260 S2: da da da da da da da. And and nothing 215 00:15:00,260 --> 00:15:04,460 S2: was come. Finally, all of a sudden I go, oh, Matthew. 216 00:15:04,500 --> 00:15:10,220 S2: Martin Luther King. That's what I wrote. Now, I thought 217 00:15:10,220 --> 00:15:13,020 S2: I was right because that kind of sounded like it 218 00:15:13,020 --> 00:15:18,140 S2: could fit those four, uh, spaces that I could tell 219 00:15:18,140 --> 00:15:21,740 S2: that they wanted you to give the answer to. So 220 00:15:21,740 --> 00:15:26,980 S2: that lets you know my exposure. And so my dad 221 00:15:26,980 --> 00:15:30,620 S2: was an atheist. Um, he had not been in church 222 00:15:30,620 --> 00:15:36,460 S2: for 40 years except for weddings and funerals. And somehow 223 00:15:37,100 --> 00:15:41,820 S2: all of a sudden, uh, he drove us to a 224 00:15:41,860 --> 00:15:48,220 S2: very strong, wonderful church. But I didn't know anything, as 225 00:15:48,220 --> 00:15:53,220 S2: you can tell. And and I remember now hearing the 226 00:15:53,220 --> 00:15:58,100 S2: plan of salvation, and I was drawn to what those 227 00:15:58,100 --> 00:16:03,900 S2: students had and the youth leaders. But, Chris, the only 228 00:16:03,900 --> 00:16:07,740 S2: objection I had was, you know, why couldn't God have. 229 00:16:08,260 --> 00:16:11,540 S2: If he's really all powerful, why couldn't he have protected 230 00:16:11,540 --> 00:16:17,460 S2: me from the painful home life that I had? And 231 00:16:17,460 --> 00:16:20,540 S2: my dad at times was cruel and I tried to 232 00:16:20,540 --> 00:16:23,460 S2: be my mother's protector, so but I again, I told 233 00:16:23,460 --> 00:16:27,900 S2: nobody anything, and I couldn't understand. Why would God allow 234 00:16:28,460 --> 00:16:32,979 S2: me to be in a home that was so bizarre 235 00:16:33,260 --> 00:16:38,780 S2: and so negative? Um, and I didn't get an answer 236 00:16:39,060 --> 00:16:45,380 S2: until years later, and it had to do with on radio. 237 00:16:46,340 --> 00:16:51,700 S2: I realized there are many people who have painful pasts 238 00:16:52,100 --> 00:16:55,620 S2: and to be able to get it out. See, I 239 00:16:55,660 --> 00:16:58,300 S2: couldn't get it out. As a teenager. 240 00:16:58,420 --> 00:16:59,580 S3: Do you remember the first time when. 241 00:16:59,580 --> 00:17:03,460 S1: You were able to be honest with someone about all 242 00:17:03,500 --> 00:17:04,140 S1: of that? 243 00:17:05,420 --> 00:17:10,020 S2: Well, it happened to be at an NRB, and you 244 00:17:10,020 --> 00:17:15,619 S2: know what that is? The National Religious Broadcasters Convention. Uh, 245 00:17:15,619 --> 00:17:20,060 S2: I was asked to give my testimony. Well, Chris, I 246 00:17:20,060 --> 00:17:24,379 S2: could deliver a message. That would be true. That doesn't 247 00:17:24,380 --> 00:17:30,300 S2: mean that I would really be sharing my past. And so, uh, 248 00:17:30,300 --> 00:17:33,180 S2: all of a sudden, the night before, it was 1030 249 00:17:33,220 --> 00:17:37,139 S2: at night, and it's like I had a yellow tablet. 250 00:17:37,140 --> 00:17:41,090 S2: I had my pin and the next morning for the 251 00:17:41,490 --> 00:17:45,490 S2: church service that was going to be held at the NRB. 252 00:17:45,530 --> 00:17:48,970 S2: We're talking about thousands of people. I heard the words 253 00:17:48,970 --> 00:17:52,209 S2: and I never hear words, but they weren't real words. 254 00:17:52,210 --> 00:17:55,970 S2: I don't know. All I know is June, the real story. 255 00:17:56,850 --> 00:18:00,170 S2: And all of a sudden I had tears. And by 256 00:18:00,170 --> 00:18:03,770 S2: the way, I normally don't have tears because my father 257 00:18:03,770 --> 00:18:07,490 S2: would say tears are a sign of mental illness. And 258 00:18:07,490 --> 00:18:13,250 S2: so I learned you. You learn to stuff to stuff it. And, um, 259 00:18:13,290 --> 00:18:15,250 S2: I didn't believe him, by the way. I knew that 260 00:18:15,250 --> 00:18:19,050 S2: wasn't true, but that's just the family I was in. 261 00:18:19,050 --> 00:18:22,570 S2: And he was a dictator and we just had no choices. 262 00:18:22,930 --> 00:18:26,410 S2: And so I'm age 40 at that time, and I'm 263 00:18:26,410 --> 00:18:29,970 S2: doing hope for the heart. And all of a sudden 264 00:18:30,010 --> 00:18:33,930 S2: I'm asked to do to tell my testimony. And so 265 00:18:34,250 --> 00:18:39,810 S2: my roommate at the Opryland Hotel looked over. She said, June, 266 00:18:39,810 --> 00:18:42,770 S2: what's the matter? I said, I think I've been told 267 00:18:42,770 --> 00:18:47,490 S2: I have to tell the real story. And, um, I've 268 00:18:47,490 --> 00:18:50,330 S2: never done that before. I could not stop the tears, 269 00:18:50,330 --> 00:18:53,810 S2: no matter what she said. You just keep writing. I'll 270 00:18:53,850 --> 00:18:59,889 S2: type it up for you tomorrow morning. And, um. Through 271 00:18:59,890 --> 00:19:03,290 S2: the night. I just kept for the first time, writing 272 00:19:03,290 --> 00:19:09,170 S2: out the truth about what what my life was like. And, um, 273 00:19:09,410 --> 00:19:16,730 S2: I finally am in front of several thousand people, and 274 00:19:16,730 --> 00:19:20,929 S2: now it's like my testimony. I'm telling the truth about 275 00:19:20,930 --> 00:19:25,930 S2: what I grew up with. And, um, but also how 276 00:19:25,930 --> 00:19:31,330 S2: I was saved. Um, I, I remember I kept hearing 277 00:19:31,850 --> 00:19:38,690 S2: the plan of salvation And I remember thinking, but what 278 00:19:38,690 --> 00:19:44,050 S2: if it doesn't work? Because I had seen a number 279 00:19:44,050 --> 00:19:49,010 S2: of people at this biblically based church, uh, they would 280 00:19:49,010 --> 00:19:55,490 S2: come forward and every single Sunday people would come. It'd 281 00:19:55,530 --> 00:20:01,290 S2: be either adults or teenagers primarily. And, uh, I thought, 282 00:20:01,290 --> 00:20:04,730 S2: but what if it doesn't work? And then I thought, well, 283 00:20:05,250 --> 00:20:08,690 S2: it doesn't if it doesn't work, it doesn't work. But 284 00:20:08,690 --> 00:20:11,889 S2: what if it would have worked? Then I could miss 285 00:20:12,050 --> 00:20:18,130 S2: receiving what these genuine Christian students have that I want. 286 00:20:19,530 --> 00:20:22,250 S2: But why do I need to be saved? I'm not 287 00:20:22,250 --> 00:20:25,929 S2: a wino in the gutter. I'm not drowning in an ocean. Um, 288 00:20:27,130 --> 00:20:30,610 S2: and I'd heard the scripture, believe in the Lord Jesus 289 00:20:30,609 --> 00:20:33,090 S2: Christ and you will be saved. Again, I knew no 290 00:20:33,090 --> 00:20:37,080 S2: scripture initially. And then I thought, but I did believe. 291 00:20:37,080 --> 00:20:42,760 S2: I did believe that Jesus came to earth, um, that 292 00:20:42,760 --> 00:20:46,880 S2: he lived on earth and, and that he did miracles. 293 00:20:47,640 --> 00:20:54,120 S2: And then, uh, but I didn't know the word for 294 00:20:54,119 --> 00:20:57,840 S2: believe in Greek. It's not mental belief. It means to 295 00:20:57,880 --> 00:21:02,399 S2: rely upon, to trust in. And I had mentally believed 296 00:21:02,760 --> 00:21:06,640 S2: that Jesus was an amazing historical figure, like I believed 297 00:21:06,680 --> 00:21:15,000 S2: Abraham Lincoln had an amazing accomplishment and accomplishments in his life, 298 00:21:15,320 --> 00:21:20,280 S2: but I wasn't relying on or entrusting my life to 299 00:21:20,320 --> 00:21:26,520 S2: Abraham Lincoln. And neither had I relied on Jesus or 300 00:21:26,680 --> 00:21:30,880 S2: entrusted my life to Jesus, but I. But I thought 301 00:21:30,880 --> 00:21:34,760 S2: that word Lord, um, the Lord Jesus Christ. I thought 302 00:21:34,760 --> 00:21:38,880 S2: that meant like a title. Like, uh, in England they 303 00:21:38,880 --> 00:21:44,600 S2: have Lord Grantham or Lord whoever. And so I thought 304 00:21:44,600 --> 00:21:48,280 S2: it was a title. And then I learned, oh, it's 305 00:21:48,280 --> 00:21:55,520 S2: not Lord like that. It means the word Lord means master, ruler, owner, 306 00:21:56,000 --> 00:21:59,080 S2: yielding my will to his will. And I had never 307 00:21:59,720 --> 00:22:03,960 S2: known to do that. So I didn't understand, you know, 308 00:22:04,040 --> 00:22:07,280 S2: so there was so much I didn't understand. And see 309 00:22:07,480 --> 00:22:14,280 S2: now and then, even then later I understood how people 310 00:22:14,280 --> 00:22:18,360 S2: don't understand because I didn't understand. And so there's a 311 00:22:18,359 --> 00:22:25,879 S2: huge advantage of not knowing anything because I can identify 312 00:22:25,880 --> 00:22:30,280 S2: with so many people, you know, uh, I assumed because 313 00:22:30,280 --> 00:22:34,030 S2: I had walked into a church that was called a 314 00:22:34,030 --> 00:22:37,790 S2: Christian church. Again, they didn't use the Bible, you know, 315 00:22:37,830 --> 00:22:41,150 S2: in the in the church where I grew up. But, um, 316 00:22:41,550 --> 00:22:45,710 S2: I thought if you go to church, that means you're 317 00:22:45,710 --> 00:22:49,230 S2: a Christian. Well, that's not true. I mean, just because 318 00:22:49,230 --> 00:22:52,350 S2: I walk inside a stable, that doesn't make me a horse. 319 00:22:53,550 --> 00:22:57,590 S2: Just because I walk into a garage that doesn't make 320 00:22:57,590 --> 00:23:04,510 S2: me a car place doesn't make a person, uh, an 321 00:23:04,550 --> 00:23:08,149 S2: authentic Christian, even if it's going into a Christian church. 322 00:23:08,630 --> 00:23:14,830 S2: And so, um, this a woman wisely said to me, 323 00:23:15,109 --> 00:23:19,550 S2: a teacher, June, I can't know your heart like God 324 00:23:19,550 --> 00:23:21,949 S2: knows your heart because I asked her, how do I 325 00:23:21,950 --> 00:23:25,870 S2: know if I'm a Christian? I think I am, Chris. 326 00:23:25,869 --> 00:23:29,070 S2: There's no way I was a Christian, and I think 327 00:23:29,070 --> 00:23:32,150 S2: she had to know it too, because she was an 328 00:23:32,150 --> 00:23:36,030 S2: extraordinary Bible teacher. And she said, well, I can't know 329 00:23:36,030 --> 00:23:39,830 S2: your heart like God knows your heart. But if if 330 00:23:39,869 --> 00:23:42,750 S2: you were not a Christian, would you be willing to 331 00:23:42,790 --> 00:23:46,990 S2: humble your heart and receive Jesus as your personal Lord 332 00:23:46,990 --> 00:23:52,750 S2: and Savior, giving him control of your life? And I 333 00:23:52,750 --> 00:23:58,109 S2: just stopped and I meaning I began to think, you know, 334 00:23:58,150 --> 00:24:01,350 S2: I haven't done that. No. And I didn't know all 335 00:24:01,350 --> 00:24:05,190 S2: these things. I just thought, you go to a church 336 00:24:05,190 --> 00:24:09,830 S2: and you're a Christian, but I. And I never heard 337 00:24:09,830 --> 00:24:15,830 S2: anything about. He will adopt you into his family. Uh, I, 338 00:24:16,070 --> 00:24:19,830 S2: I didn't know any of that, but I started reading 339 00:24:19,830 --> 00:24:25,750 S2: the Bible and it was extraordinary. It was like I 340 00:24:25,750 --> 00:24:31,350 S2: thought how this is this is exceptional. This is. And 341 00:24:31,350 --> 00:24:35,030 S2: but again, I didn't talk. I told nobody anything about 342 00:24:35,030 --> 00:24:39,230 S2: my life. But I later saw that God gave me 343 00:24:39,230 --> 00:24:45,629 S2: a compassion for those who have painful backgrounds. God gave 344 00:24:45,630 --> 00:24:52,109 S2: me the, uh, not just sympathy, uh, empathy. Sympathy says, 345 00:24:52,109 --> 00:24:58,310 S2: I'm sorry you're hurt. Um, empathy says I identify how 346 00:24:58,470 --> 00:25:00,949 S2: I can hurt with you. Um. 347 00:25:01,350 --> 00:25:03,190 S3: Compassion, what you just described. 348 00:25:03,190 --> 00:25:07,950 S1: Right there is the power of your life and, and 349 00:25:07,950 --> 00:25:10,909 S1: the message that you gave when you were finally, uh, 350 00:25:10,910 --> 00:25:13,550 S1: honest about, you know, what had happened in your life 351 00:25:13,550 --> 00:25:17,790 S1: and the tears, all of that, that set you free. 352 00:25:17,790 --> 00:25:21,430 S1: But it was a process that you had to go through. 353 00:25:21,750 --> 00:25:23,510 S1: And I want to talk more with you. We're going 354 00:25:23,510 --> 00:25:25,590 S1: to take a quick break here. We're talking if you're 355 00:25:25,590 --> 00:25:30,060 S1: just joining us, the founder and CSO Chief servant officer 356 00:25:30,060 --> 00:25:33,340 S1: of Hope for the heart. June Hunt is with us today. 357 00:25:33,460 --> 00:25:36,620 S1: We have a featured resource. It's new from Hope for 358 00:25:36,619 --> 00:25:40,300 S1: the heart. It's called the Care and Counsel Handbook. You 359 00:25:40,300 --> 00:25:42,340 S1: can find it and a link to Hope for the 360 00:25:42,340 --> 00:25:46,780 S1: heart as well at Chris Fabry live.org. Chris Fabry living 361 00:25:47,780 --> 00:26:06,660 S1: more straight ahead on Moody Radio. Thanks for joining us 362 00:26:06,660 --> 00:26:09,740 S1: today on Chris Fabry Live. Our program is recorded. Don't 363 00:26:09,740 --> 00:26:12,300 S1: call us today, but stay close because we're going to 364 00:26:12,300 --> 00:26:16,060 S1: hear more from the heart of June. Hunt of Hope 365 00:26:16,060 --> 00:26:20,980 S1: for the heart. Featured resource is the Care and Counsel Handbook. 366 00:26:21,300 --> 00:26:25,300 S1: You can see it at the website Chris fabry.org. Let 367 00:26:25,300 --> 00:26:29,140 S1: me let me hit the Wayback button, the the rewind 368 00:26:29,140 --> 00:26:32,300 S1: button to look at some of the things in your life. 369 00:26:32,300 --> 00:26:35,619 S1: Because I saw you with Allie Beth Stuckey, where you 370 00:26:35,660 --> 00:26:38,340 S1: went through what you've just kind of described about your 371 00:26:38,340 --> 00:26:42,100 S1: family and the 14 kids and the three different families and, 372 00:26:42,140 --> 00:26:45,580 S1: you know, the dysfunction. And it seems like God used 373 00:26:45,580 --> 00:26:50,700 S1: that dysfunction in your life to get you deeper into 374 00:26:50,740 --> 00:26:54,020 S1: other people's hearts and lives, but you have so many 375 00:26:54,020 --> 00:26:56,619 S1: different talents. I found out I didn't know this. You 376 00:26:56,619 --> 00:26:59,820 S1: were a featured soloist at the Billy Graham Crusade at 377 00:26:59,820 --> 00:27:01,260 S1: some point, is that right? 378 00:27:01,740 --> 00:27:05,740 S2: Yes. Several times I was asked to sing, and I'm very, 379 00:27:05,780 --> 00:27:12,300 S2: very honored. Um, and I, you know, I never initiated anything. 380 00:27:12,300 --> 00:27:15,139 S2: I was always surprised when I would be asked to 381 00:27:15,540 --> 00:27:19,620 S2: speak here or sing there, you know, whatever. But I 382 00:27:19,780 --> 00:27:26,379 S2: respected Billy Graham tremendously because of his life. And there 383 00:27:26,380 --> 00:27:30,780 S2: were so many people who did not know how to 384 00:27:30,820 --> 00:27:34,540 S2: come into a relationship with Jesus Christ. And this was 385 00:27:35,340 --> 00:27:39,859 S2: how God used Billy Graham over and over and over. 386 00:27:40,260 --> 00:27:40,700 S3: MM. 387 00:27:41,180 --> 00:27:44,460 S1: Um, here's a question that I ask on the Voices 388 00:27:44,460 --> 00:27:48,140 S1: of Wisdom program. Who do you miss? Obviously you miss 389 00:27:48,140 --> 00:27:51,740 S1: Billy Graham. You know, his voice, uh, in your life. 390 00:27:51,740 --> 00:27:54,659 S1: But are there people who now are who are gone 391 00:27:54,660 --> 00:27:57,100 S1: to heaven that you think, oh, I wish I could 392 00:27:57,100 --> 00:27:59,540 S1: pick up the phone and talk with so and so. 393 00:28:01,220 --> 00:28:06,700 S2: My number one would be mother. My mom, um, she 394 00:28:06,700 --> 00:28:13,659 S2: was humble. She was sweet. Um, people adored her. And 395 00:28:15,060 --> 00:28:18,540 S2: there was a point I'm going to be very candid. 396 00:28:19,060 --> 00:28:23,340 S2: I hated my father. I remember I hated how he 397 00:28:23,490 --> 00:28:27,170 S2: treated my mother. And he would say, in fact, one 398 00:28:27,170 --> 00:28:29,730 S2: time there was only one time I confronted him because 399 00:28:29,730 --> 00:28:34,450 S2: nobody else confronted him. And I said, how can you 400 00:28:34,450 --> 00:28:37,210 S2: treat mother the way you do? How can you have 401 00:28:37,210 --> 00:28:43,250 S2: these other women mothers totally loyal to you? And he said, 402 00:28:43,410 --> 00:28:45,490 S2: I'm not a Christian. I don't have to go by 403 00:28:45,490 --> 00:28:51,970 S2: Christian ethics. And then he said with a pause, and besides, 404 00:28:51,970 --> 00:28:55,850 S2: she's mentally ill. Well, I knew that wasn't true, but 405 00:28:56,050 --> 00:29:01,530 S2: I was afraid and lived in fear until my late 20s. 406 00:29:01,530 --> 00:29:04,570 S2: I was afraid he was going to institutionalize her because 407 00:29:04,730 --> 00:29:07,650 S2: he had money, and I knew money could buy power. 408 00:29:08,050 --> 00:29:14,690 S2: I knew money could buy possibly a corrupt psychiatrist. And 409 00:29:14,690 --> 00:29:21,450 S2: so I started my defense fund when I was 14. And, um, he, uh, 410 00:29:21,490 --> 00:29:25,210 S2: he beat me. I was beaten until he wore out, 411 00:29:25,210 --> 00:29:28,210 S2: and then I then, but then. And I thought I 412 00:29:28,250 --> 00:29:31,530 S2: won because I didn't have tears, I didn't cry, and 413 00:29:31,530 --> 00:29:33,970 S2: mother wasn't home at the time. She was with my 414 00:29:34,010 --> 00:29:37,530 S2: two sisters at a school function and I said, mom, 415 00:29:37,570 --> 00:29:43,330 S2: I won, I won. But the bottom line is she, um, well, 416 00:29:43,370 --> 00:29:47,610 S2: my dad sent me off to boarding school the next 417 00:29:47,930 --> 00:29:52,130 S2: day and then, um, after that and I was not 418 00:29:52,130 --> 00:29:55,170 S2: allowed to set foot back in the home and that 419 00:29:55,170 --> 00:29:59,090 S2: crushed mother. And I was trying to protect her. And 420 00:29:59,090 --> 00:30:02,050 S2: then I got sent off to camp. And that's not 421 00:30:02,370 --> 00:30:07,010 S2: a joy when you most people have joy going to camp. 422 00:30:07,130 --> 00:30:13,690 S2: But the bottom line is this after I became a 423 00:30:13,690 --> 00:30:19,730 S2: Christian at age 15, I was 14. Then at age 15, um, 424 00:30:20,530 --> 00:30:25,560 S2: I had a whole new way of thinking. At first 425 00:30:25,560 --> 00:30:30,080 S2: I didn't understand salvation and I just finally just did. Well, 426 00:30:30,080 --> 00:30:33,240 S2: whatever the Bible says, I'm going to do it. And 427 00:30:33,240 --> 00:30:40,280 S2: then later I started changing. And, um, you know, the 428 00:30:40,280 --> 00:30:42,680 S2: Bible says if anyone is in Christ, that person is 429 00:30:42,720 --> 00:30:46,840 S2: a new creation. Old things pass away, all things become new. 430 00:30:48,000 --> 00:30:51,360 S2: And I went up to mom one day and said, mom, 431 00:30:51,400 --> 00:30:55,520 S2: you heard what dad just said to you. How can 432 00:30:55,520 --> 00:30:57,720 S2: you be so kind to him? And I was angry 433 00:30:57,720 --> 00:31:03,160 S2: at her and she said, oh, honey, he doesn't know 434 00:31:03,160 --> 00:31:05,840 S2: the Lord. If he only knew the Lord, he wouldn't 435 00:31:05,840 --> 00:31:11,440 S2: be that way. That was life changing to me, Chris, 436 00:31:12,000 --> 00:31:15,680 S2: because she wasn't focusing on his fault. She focused on 437 00:31:15,680 --> 00:31:20,600 S2: his need. He needed a change. Life through Christ. And 438 00:31:20,600 --> 00:31:24,760 S2: he did not grow up with that. And I and 439 00:31:24,760 --> 00:31:29,600 S2: so because of her words, I realized, and, you know, 440 00:31:29,640 --> 00:31:32,840 S2: because I, I would look at him with daggers in 441 00:31:32,840 --> 00:31:35,920 S2: my eyes. Uh, that didn't help, but I thought I 442 00:31:35,920 --> 00:31:39,920 S2: was being, you know, doing something positive. Uh, no, I 443 00:31:39,920 --> 00:31:44,640 S2: wasn't being positive. Um, I'll just say in my when 444 00:31:44,640 --> 00:31:48,560 S2: I was 29 years old, my father for the first 445 00:31:48,560 --> 00:31:57,280 S2: time prayed a prayer of salvation. He was 86. And, um, I, 446 00:31:57,440 --> 00:32:00,800 S2: I just thought, you know, I had tried once to 447 00:32:00,840 --> 00:32:08,120 S2: explain salvation to him at age 25, but then at, uh, uh, 448 00:32:08,640 --> 00:32:13,120 S2: it was later when, um, I was 28, I thought, 449 00:32:13,360 --> 00:32:17,080 S2: let me try again. And, uh, now he had been 450 00:32:17,080 --> 00:32:20,120 S2: very kind to me, but I had been kind to him, 451 00:32:20,480 --> 00:32:24,600 S2: and I. And I kept praying for his salvation. And 452 00:32:24,600 --> 00:32:30,120 S2: that changed my heart. And so bottom line, um, I said, now, 453 00:32:30,120 --> 00:32:32,640 S2: would you be willing to humble your heart and pray 454 00:32:32,640 --> 00:32:37,200 S2: to receive Jesus as your personal Lord and Savior? And 455 00:32:37,200 --> 00:32:41,360 S2: he said yes. So I led him in that prayer. 456 00:32:41,360 --> 00:32:45,920 S2: But Chris, I actually thought that this, this just can't be. 457 00:32:46,320 --> 00:32:48,280 S2: And so I went and told mom, I said, let 458 00:32:48,280 --> 00:32:50,720 S2: me tell you what happened, but I don't know that 459 00:32:50,720 --> 00:32:54,200 S2: it's real. And she said, June, did he say he 460 00:32:54,200 --> 00:32:57,560 S2: would pray that prayer? And I said, yes, but I 461 00:32:57,560 --> 00:33:00,880 S2: just don't know if it's real. And she said, Billy 462 00:33:00,880 --> 00:33:05,480 S2: Graham has tried. Many people have tried with your father. 463 00:33:05,760 --> 00:33:09,480 S2: If he prayed with you. She said, I am sure 464 00:33:09,760 --> 00:33:13,240 S2: it is real. So what I say is, don't give up. 465 00:33:13,520 --> 00:33:18,550 S2: Don't give up. You don't know who will Ultimately be 466 00:33:18,550 --> 00:33:23,270 S2: willing to humble their hearts and pray to receive Jesus 467 00:33:23,270 --> 00:33:25,830 S2: and literally have a changed life through Christ. 468 00:33:25,870 --> 00:33:26,390 S3: Yes. 469 00:33:26,750 --> 00:33:32,310 S1: So of forgiveness then did you forgive your dad or. 470 00:33:32,350 --> 00:33:34,990 S1: And what. I think that's one of the misconceptions that 471 00:33:34,990 --> 00:33:38,229 S1: people have about in the church, even about what really 472 00:33:38,230 --> 00:33:43,310 S1: is forgiveness. Did you set him free from your anger 473 00:33:43,310 --> 00:33:46,590 S1: and the daggers even before he prayed that prayer? 474 00:33:47,750 --> 00:33:52,910 S2: Yes, I remember. Um, I didn't understand forgiveness. Now, that 475 00:33:52,910 --> 00:33:56,070 S2: was my hardest thing. And later, I wrote a book 476 00:33:56,070 --> 00:33:58,510 S2: called How to Forgive When You Don't Feel Like It, 477 00:33:58,510 --> 00:34:01,350 S2: because I didn't feel like it. But it has helped 478 00:34:01,350 --> 00:34:06,990 S2: so many people because I explain what you know. Forgiveness 479 00:34:07,030 --> 00:34:13,670 S2: is not excusing the past or justifying anything about the past. Um, 480 00:34:14,350 --> 00:34:22,509 S2: forgiveness is I literally take what is been wrong. The 481 00:34:22,510 --> 00:34:28,390 S2: pain of the past, and I take that person off 482 00:34:28,390 --> 00:34:35,469 S2: of my emotional hook and literally put that person onto 483 00:34:35,510 --> 00:34:40,830 S2: God's hook. See, my objection was if I forgive, then 484 00:34:40,830 --> 00:34:44,750 S2: he'll just get away with it. The the women and 485 00:34:44,790 --> 00:34:51,670 S2: the he, you know, the way he treats people. Um, I, 486 00:34:51,910 --> 00:34:58,069 S2: I just, uh, was I thought your, the Bible, let 487 00:34:58,070 --> 00:35:01,830 S2: me just say Colossians 313 says, bear with each other 488 00:35:01,830 --> 00:35:05,750 S2: and forgive whatever grievance you have against one another. Forgive 489 00:35:05,910 --> 00:35:09,310 S2: as the Lord forgave you. So I thought that was saying, 490 00:35:09,670 --> 00:35:14,430 S2: you're just there's no accountability. You just let somebody get 491 00:35:14,430 --> 00:35:17,100 S2: away with whatever it is. So that was my objection 492 00:35:17,100 --> 00:35:20,980 S2: for for about ten years. And that was in my 493 00:35:20,980 --> 00:35:25,899 S2: late teens and, and 20 in my early 20s. And 494 00:35:25,900 --> 00:35:30,900 S2: then finally it dawned on me, oh, it's not letting 495 00:35:30,900 --> 00:35:33,819 S2: them get away with it. You're taking them, taking them 496 00:35:33,820 --> 00:35:38,340 S2: off of your emotional hook and putting them onto God's hook. 497 00:35:38,540 --> 00:35:45,700 S2: Because Chris, God says it's mine to avenge, I will repay. 498 00:35:46,780 --> 00:35:50,940 S2: And I thought, oh, oh, so they don't get away 499 00:35:50,940 --> 00:35:54,300 S2: with it. They're now dealing with God, and he can 500 00:35:54,739 --> 00:36:00,460 S2: deal with that person who's been wrong toward us however 501 00:36:00,460 --> 00:36:06,780 S2: he chooses. But my job is to do what God says, 502 00:36:07,100 --> 00:36:11,180 S2: and that is to be willing, well, to forgive. And 503 00:36:11,180 --> 00:36:15,140 S2: so I took him off of my emotional hook and 504 00:36:15,140 --> 00:36:22,100 S2: put him onto God's hook and was. And then my responsibility. Actually, 505 00:36:22,100 --> 00:36:27,180 S2: the Bible says, um, pray for those who persecute you. 506 00:36:27,780 --> 00:36:31,660 S2: It says, love your enemies. Pray for those who persecute you. 507 00:36:31,660 --> 00:36:34,540 S2: And I remember seeing those words and I thought, that's 508 00:36:34,540 --> 00:36:43,860 S2: not realistic. People don't logically. Pray for those that they 509 00:36:44,100 --> 00:36:47,220 S2: hate because I hated my dad at the time and 510 00:36:47,219 --> 00:36:51,620 S2: I thought, pray for those who persecute. Love your. Love 511 00:36:51,620 --> 00:36:56,580 S2: your enemies that can't. That. That must be some ideal. Well, 512 00:36:56,820 --> 00:37:02,180 S2: you see, I'm trying to figure this out. Love. Actually, 513 00:37:02,460 --> 00:37:06,620 S2: the highest form of love is agape love, where even 514 00:37:06,620 --> 00:37:13,700 S2: God describes himself as having that a GAPE agape love. 515 00:37:13,700 --> 00:37:19,020 S2: Which means it's not emotion, it's devotion. It's being devoted 516 00:37:19,020 --> 00:37:21,700 S2: enough to do what is in the best interest of 517 00:37:21,700 --> 00:37:25,540 S2: the other person. And so I thought, well, what, what 518 00:37:25,540 --> 00:37:28,300 S2: should I do in regard to my dad? I wasn't 519 00:37:28,340 --> 00:37:31,660 S2: talking with anybody because I didn't know, I didn't share. 520 00:37:32,020 --> 00:37:35,100 S2: And so I thought, what, what, what could I do? 521 00:37:35,140 --> 00:37:38,500 S2: Love your enemies. I thought, oh, well, he's always misplacing this. 522 00:37:39,820 --> 00:37:43,140 S2: He's president of a company, a large company, and he's 523 00:37:43,140 --> 00:37:49,379 S2: misplacing his, uh, address book, this red vinyl address book 524 00:37:49,380 --> 00:37:52,819 S2: that has all these names. And so if he, if 525 00:37:52,820 --> 00:37:57,180 S2: he barks out during dinner, where's my address book? Well, 526 00:37:57,180 --> 00:37:59,900 S2: I'll find I'll have already figured out where it is. 527 00:38:00,020 --> 00:38:03,500 S2: And so I did. This is my determination. I'm going 528 00:38:03,500 --> 00:38:06,299 S2: to be biblical. I want to do what God says. 529 00:38:06,300 --> 00:38:10,220 S2: I'm going to try this out. So, uh, I remember 530 00:38:10,219 --> 00:38:14,410 S2: finding his address book, which was in his bedroom. And then, 531 00:38:14,410 --> 00:38:17,290 S2: sure enough, during dinner. Where's my address book? Where's my 532 00:38:17,290 --> 00:38:21,529 S2: address book? And I said quite, very softly. I know 533 00:38:21,530 --> 00:38:23,850 S2: where it is. I'll go get it. And I slipped 534 00:38:23,850 --> 00:38:26,930 S2: out of my chair, went to his bedroom. Brought it 535 00:38:26,930 --> 00:38:29,810 S2: back and just laid it to his side. And he 536 00:38:29,810 --> 00:38:34,730 S2: looked at me with a very curious look. Like what's 537 00:38:34,730 --> 00:38:39,570 S2: going on with her? And so, um, and I maintained 538 00:38:39,570 --> 00:38:44,530 S2: to do that over and over. And the bottom line 539 00:38:44,530 --> 00:38:50,010 S2: was I kept looking what, what could be loving toward 540 00:38:50,010 --> 00:38:53,169 S2: my father? So I. I changed it was a whole 541 00:38:53,170 --> 00:38:58,250 S2: change of mindset. Love your enemies. And I'd never thought 542 00:38:58,250 --> 00:39:02,330 S2: of it this way. Of course, I didn't know much 543 00:39:02,370 --> 00:39:06,890 S2: about the Bible, but I was learning, learning, learning fast. With, uh, 544 00:39:07,770 --> 00:39:12,049 S2: students and. But I didn't talk again. I didn't tell 545 00:39:12,050 --> 00:39:13,170 S2: anybody anything. 546 00:39:13,650 --> 00:39:16,570 S3: And you start to June, you start to pray for somebody. 547 00:39:16,610 --> 00:39:20,609 S1: It'll change your heart. It'll change your attitude toward that 548 00:39:20,610 --> 00:39:23,690 S1: other person. And what you have just shared about this 549 00:39:23,690 --> 00:39:27,330 S1: change of mindset. It's it's clear to me God was 550 00:39:27,330 --> 00:39:30,370 S1: doing something in you before he did something in, in 551 00:39:30,410 --> 00:39:33,170 S1: your dad. Let me take a quick time out. June 552 00:39:33,210 --> 00:39:37,089 S1: Hunt is with us today. A voice of wisdom. She 553 00:39:37,090 --> 00:39:40,370 S1: is the founder and chief servant officer of Hope for 554 00:39:40,370 --> 00:39:44,770 S1: the heart. Featured resources, the Care and Counsel Handbook from 555 00:39:44,770 --> 00:39:47,530 S1: Hope for the heart. Just go to Chris Fabry live.org. 556 00:39:47,930 --> 00:39:52,810 S1: Chris fabry.org. Our final segments coming up straight ahead on 557 00:39:52,850 --> 00:40:04,170 S1: Moody Radio. June Hunt is with us today at the 558 00:40:04,170 --> 00:40:07,610 S1: Radio Backyard Fence. She is with Hope for the heart. 559 00:40:07,650 --> 00:40:12,370 S1: It started 40 years ago, back in 1986, and the 560 00:40:12,410 --> 00:40:15,370 S1: Care and Counsel Handbook from Hope for the heart is 561 00:40:15,370 --> 00:40:22,770 S1: our featured resource today. Chris Fabbri live.org. Chris, favorite.org. Is 562 00:40:22,770 --> 00:40:26,210 S1: there a verse that kind of hangs over the door 563 00:40:26,210 --> 00:40:28,330 S1: of your heart for your life? 564 00:40:30,330 --> 00:40:35,650 S2: I remember initially, again, I wasn't familiar with the Bible 565 00:40:35,650 --> 00:40:38,050 S2: at all. I didn't even own a Bible. But then 566 00:40:38,770 --> 00:40:43,530 S2: so initially it was Proverbs three five and six trust 567 00:40:43,530 --> 00:40:47,330 S2: in the Lord with all your heart. Lean not on 568 00:40:47,330 --> 00:40:51,009 S2: your own understanding. That was the most significant right there, 569 00:40:51,010 --> 00:40:54,850 S2: because I could not understand my life. And I thought, okay, 570 00:40:55,090 --> 00:40:57,810 S2: that means I don't have to understand it in all 571 00:40:57,810 --> 00:41:04,129 S2: your ways. Submit to him and he'll direct your path. Later, Chris, 572 00:41:04,170 --> 00:41:10,000 S2: it became a scripture that nobody else. It's nobody else's verse. 573 00:41:11,160 --> 00:41:18,200 S2: It's Deuteronomy 318. The Lord himself goes before you and 574 00:41:18,200 --> 00:41:21,640 S2: will be with you. He will never leave you nor 575 00:41:21,640 --> 00:41:26,360 S2: forsake you. Do not be afraid. Do not be discouraged. 576 00:41:27,239 --> 00:41:34,280 S2: And I remember I was, um, kind of being shut down, 577 00:41:34,280 --> 00:41:39,720 S2: not telling anybody anything, not talking about my life. I 578 00:41:39,760 --> 00:41:43,120 S2: had a lot of fear of what my dad was 579 00:41:43,120 --> 00:41:45,960 S2: going to do in regard to my mom. I wasn't 580 00:41:46,160 --> 00:41:50,640 S2: convinced that he wouldn't try to institutionalize him because his 581 00:41:50,640 --> 00:41:55,080 S2: son from his first marriage was institutionalized, paranoid schizophrenic, and 582 00:41:55,120 --> 00:42:00,000 S2: had a frontal lobotomy. So I lived in fear of 583 00:42:00,239 --> 00:42:02,719 S2: what my dad would do to my mom. But the 584 00:42:02,719 --> 00:42:07,480 S2: bottom line is, when I had this scripture. All of 585 00:42:07,480 --> 00:42:10,640 S2: a sudden I read it and I thought, oh, oh, 586 00:42:10,920 --> 00:42:14,600 S2: I'm going to personalize that. And that's what I tell 587 00:42:14,640 --> 00:42:18,759 S2: people on radio. On rare occasion, if I feel they 588 00:42:18,760 --> 00:42:23,520 S2: need that scripture. Deuteronomy 318. Write it down if you 589 00:42:23,520 --> 00:42:30,000 S2: need it. Deuteronomy 318 the Lord himself goes before you 590 00:42:30,000 --> 00:42:32,239 S2: and will be with you. He will never leave you 591 00:42:32,280 --> 00:42:36,560 S2: nor forsake you. Do not be afraid. Do not be discouraged, 592 00:42:36,560 --> 00:42:40,960 S2: but personalize it. The Lord himself goes before me and 593 00:42:40,960 --> 00:42:43,799 S2: will be with me. He will never leave me nor 594 00:42:43,800 --> 00:42:47,480 S2: forsake me. I will not be afraid. I will not 595 00:42:47,480 --> 00:42:48,680 S2: be discouraged. 596 00:42:49,760 --> 00:42:53,600 S1: I have to tell you, June, I was, uh, I 597 00:42:53,640 --> 00:42:57,279 S1: live in Arizona and I saw a license plate as 598 00:42:57,280 --> 00:43:04,360 S1: I was driving and it said DEUT318 and I thought, yes. 599 00:43:04,360 --> 00:43:07,239 S1: I said, that's got to be Deuteronomy. And but I 600 00:43:07,239 --> 00:43:10,719 S1: thought it was 318. And so I got home and 601 00:43:10,719 --> 00:43:14,840 S1: I looked up. 318 and it's a good verse. But then, uh, Tricia, 602 00:43:14,840 --> 00:43:18,080 S1: who's our producer, said, that's probably 318. The one that 603 00:43:18,080 --> 00:43:21,960 S1: you have decided to share with us today. Yes. They 604 00:43:21,960 --> 00:43:24,400 S1: they have that on their license plate. I thought, what a, 605 00:43:24,440 --> 00:43:28,560 S1: what a delight to be able to see that. Um, okay, 606 00:43:28,600 --> 00:43:31,239 S1: so so what, as you are, you know, you're a 607 00:43:31,239 --> 00:43:33,960 S1: little further down the trail than me. What have you 608 00:43:33,960 --> 00:43:35,719 S1: enjoyed about growing older? 609 00:43:37,880 --> 00:43:43,520 S2: Um, perspective. You know, there's no way that when the 610 00:43:43,520 --> 00:43:47,800 S2: person is a teenager or even in their 20s, they 611 00:43:47,840 --> 00:43:52,000 S2: have no idea what God is going to do. And 612 00:43:52,000 --> 00:43:57,080 S2: I can honestly say, ever since once I became an adult, 613 00:43:57,480 --> 00:44:01,600 S2: I did not make any decisions. God just moved me 614 00:44:01,600 --> 00:44:05,270 S2: to do this, Even to start a ministry. Hope for 615 00:44:05,270 --> 00:44:08,470 S2: the heart. I didn't plan that. The only thing I 616 00:44:08,510 --> 00:44:10,910 S2: planned was just. I was a music major because I 617 00:44:10,910 --> 00:44:13,910 S2: didn't know what else to do in school. But God 618 00:44:13,910 --> 00:44:16,989 S2: used that in ways that I never would have dreamed. 619 00:44:17,230 --> 00:44:19,989 S2: You know, even to do a USO tour to Vietnam, 620 00:44:20,030 --> 00:44:24,830 S2: I mean, early on. But all these things were ultimately 621 00:44:24,950 --> 00:44:28,870 S2: reaching out to people because I didn't allow people to 622 00:44:28,910 --> 00:44:32,709 S2: reach out to me. I was shut down. And later, 623 00:44:32,750 --> 00:44:36,589 S2: when I was a youth director, I was drawn to 624 00:44:36,630 --> 00:44:41,950 S2: those who were the loners because I had been. I 625 00:44:41,989 --> 00:44:45,670 S2: felt that way. I'm just thinking about one of my 626 00:44:45,910 --> 00:44:49,830 S2: kids when I was a youth director on a tour. 627 00:44:49,870 --> 00:44:53,029 S2: All of a sudden a bus tour. He had a 628 00:44:53,030 --> 00:44:56,390 S2: book and he was sitting with nobody. He didn't buddy 629 00:44:56,430 --> 00:45:01,630 S2: up with anybody. I said, hey, Jerry, what's your book? 630 00:45:02,469 --> 00:45:07,550 S2: F stops, f stops. Are you talking about cameras? Yeah. 631 00:45:07,989 --> 00:45:11,870 S2: And I said, do you like cameras? Yeah. I said, well, 632 00:45:12,070 --> 00:45:15,790 S2: do you think you would want to be the official 633 00:45:15,790 --> 00:45:21,790 S2: photographer for all of our events? His eyes brightened up. Yes, 634 00:45:22,230 --> 00:45:25,990 S2: and sure enough, he was at every event we had. 635 00:45:26,390 --> 00:45:28,830 S2: And instead of being shut down and then in his 636 00:45:28,830 --> 00:45:34,670 S2: senior year, he literally, uh, died. Uh, that summer, he drowned. 637 00:45:34,870 --> 00:45:38,750 S2: And his mom came up to me months later and said, June, 638 00:45:39,150 --> 00:45:42,029 S2: there were only two people who reached out to Jerry, 639 00:45:42,430 --> 00:45:47,310 S2: but you changed his life. You paid attention to Jerry, 640 00:45:47,670 --> 00:45:50,510 S2: and it made all the difference in the world. So 641 00:45:50,510 --> 00:45:52,870 S2: what I say is, don't give up. Don't give up. 642 00:45:52,910 --> 00:45:55,870 S1: Yes. You saw him. See? And that's what comes through 643 00:45:55,870 --> 00:45:59,509 S1: in all this story. Uh, especially in your past. I 644 00:45:59,510 --> 00:46:02,420 S1: think of Joseph. You know they meant it for evil. 645 00:46:02,460 --> 00:46:05,980 S1: God meant it for good. And he has used you 646 00:46:05,980 --> 00:46:09,340 S1: as this force of good for the last 40 years. 647 00:46:09,340 --> 00:46:11,980 S1: And even more than that. June, we're at the end 648 00:46:11,980 --> 00:46:14,420 S1: of the program. I can't thank you enough for spending 649 00:46:14,420 --> 00:46:17,020 S1: the time with us and just sharing some of your heart. 650 00:46:17,380 --> 00:46:19,459 S1: There are people who are going to write me and say, 651 00:46:19,460 --> 00:46:22,540 S1: thank you for having that conversation, she said. What I 652 00:46:22,580 --> 00:46:26,020 S1: exactly what I needed to hear. And I just want 653 00:46:26,020 --> 00:46:29,380 S1: to thank you for being you and you keep being you. Okay. 654 00:46:30,060 --> 00:46:32,780 S2: Thanks so much, Chris. It's an honor to be with you. 655 00:46:33,540 --> 00:46:36,779 S1: Same here. The founder and chief servant officer of Hope 656 00:46:36,780 --> 00:46:39,779 S1: for the heart, June Hunt has been with us today. 657 00:46:39,980 --> 00:46:43,219 S1: Featured resource is Hope for the hearts the Care and 658 00:46:43,219 --> 00:46:46,500 S1: Counsel Handbook. We have a link for you at Chris 659 00:46:46,500 --> 00:46:51,779 S1: Fabry live.org. Chris Fabry live.org. Our program is production of 660 00:46:51,820 --> 00:46:56,020 S1: Moody Radio, a Ministry of Moody Bible Institute. Thanks for listening.