WEBVTT - Trip of a Lifetime 0:00:08.000 --> 0:00:10.459 What's it like to visit the Holy Land for the 0:00:10.460 --> 0:00:15.020 very first time? What impressions are deepest and why? In 0:00:15.020 --> 0:00:16.700 a few minutes, we'll sit down with a couple who 0:00:16.700 --> 0:00:20.360 share their reflections and a few surprises. Plus, we'll bring 0:00:20.360 --> 0:00:22.280 you all the news you need to know about the 0:00:22.280 --> 0:00:25.730 Middle East. Also answers to Bible questions that maybe you've 0:00:25.730 --> 0:00:29.810 wrestled with. And a devotional from Charlie Dyer. I'm John Jaeger, 0:00:29.810 --> 0:00:32.390 inviting you to join us now for the land and 0:00:32.390 --> 0:00:35.270 the book from Moody Radio. And many people ask, how 0:00:35.270 --> 0:00:37.760 do I share the gospel with my Jewish friend Charlie? 0:00:37.760 --> 0:00:41.390 It's a good question. 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Again, click 0:01:18.680 --> 0:01:22.850 on the Moody Radio icon at Life in Messiah org. 0:01:23.209 --> 0:01:27.020 Well, conflicting reports continue to swirl over proposals for a 0:01:27.020 --> 0:01:31.370 ceasefire between Israel and Hamas. Why all the confusion and 0:01:31.370 --> 0:01:33.440 what might happen in the coming days? 0:01:33.560 --> 0:01:37.069 Well, part of the confusion apparently came from internal disagreements 0:01:37.069 --> 0:01:41.270 within Hamas. Apparently, the leadership inside Gaza and the leadership 0:01:41.270 --> 0:01:44.300 outside of Gaza were debating how best to respond to 0:01:44.300 --> 0:01:48.020 the proposals. The initial proposal was seen by all sides, 0:01:48.020 --> 0:01:51.110 I think, as an opening basis for negotiation, to be 0:01:51.110 --> 0:01:53.510 followed by the hard bargaining to see if a compromise 0:01:53.510 --> 0:01:57.860 can be reached by proposing a three phased 135 day 0:01:57.860 --> 0:02:01.670 truce and hostage deal leading to the war's end. Their 0:02:01.670 --> 0:02:04.970 proposal would also include the withdrawal of Israeli forces and 0:02:04.970 --> 0:02:10.940 freedom for 1500 Palestinian prisoners currently in Israeli prisons, including 500. 0:02:10.970 --> 0:02:14.060 They would select who are serving life sentences for murder. 0:02:14.180 --> 0:02:17.840 At least right now, there are several significant sticking points. 0:02:18.050 --> 0:02:21.050 Will Hamas remain in control of Gaza? Is the goal 0:02:21.050 --> 0:02:24.200 a pathway to create a Palestinian state? And what's to 0:02:24.200 --> 0:02:28.220 prevent Hamas from rebuilding its power base in Gaza? As proposed, 0:02:28.220 --> 0:02:32.450 Hamas's response looks to be just a non-starter. But as 0:02:32.450 --> 0:02:36.350 Israel continues to squeeze them militarily, look for the possibility 0:02:36.350 --> 0:02:39.920 of some sort of compromise to be crafted. Hamas wants 0:02:39.919 --> 0:02:42.590 to find a way to stay in existence. And at 0:02:42.590 --> 0:02:44.330 the same time, Israel wants to find a way to 0:02:44.330 --> 0:02:47.780 bring its hostages home. And that could pressure each side 0:02:47.780 --> 0:02:50.450 into reaching some sort of agreement. 0:02:50.480 --> 0:02:53.390 So do you think that Hamas fundamentally does want the 0:02:53.389 --> 0:02:55.370 war to end, or are they just happy to keep 0:02:55.370 --> 0:02:56.600 on going the way they are? 0:02:56.780 --> 0:03:00.049 They are losing ground. There's only one major spot left 0:03:00.050 --> 0:03:03.980 where Hamas is at Rafah. And as Israel keeps closing 0:03:03.980 --> 0:03:07.549 in on Khan Younis and then moving toward Rafah, Hamas, 0:03:07.550 --> 0:03:10.220 I think, is afraid, especially the fighters there, they could 0:03:10.220 --> 0:03:13.340 be wiped out. So there's a pressure on them to 0:03:13.340 --> 0:03:16.340 make an agreement and to do so. They don't want 0:03:16.340 --> 0:03:18.440 to appear to be hurrying, but they need to hurry. 0:03:18.470 --> 0:03:20.540 Last follow up. Why then are they still in the 0:03:20.540 --> 0:03:24.440 driver's seat, apparently with regard to hostage negotiations, demanding that 0:03:24.440 --> 0:03:27.410 all these prisoners and murderers of theirs be released for 0:03:27.410 --> 0:03:28.910 just a few hundred of hours? 0:03:29.240 --> 0:03:31.760 The reason they're in the driver's seat is because within Israel, 0:03:31.760 --> 0:03:34.850 there's political pressure. A poll was just taken. Just over 0:03:34.850 --> 0:03:37.520 half of Israelis are saying it's more important to get 0:03:37.520 --> 0:03:40.880 the hostages back than it is to get rid of Hamas. Uh, 0:03:40.880 --> 0:03:44.390 that's from my perspective, very sad, because if Hamas stays 0:03:44.390 --> 0:03:46.400 in power, all they learn out of this is that 0:03:46.580 --> 0:03:50.330 gain hostages and we gain power. But that's the political 0:03:50.330 --> 0:03:53.120 reality right now. And that's what's tying Israel's hands from 0:03:53.120 --> 0:03:55.730 moving more rapidly to eliminate Hamas. 0:03:55.760 --> 0:03:58.010 Story number two, in our look at current events, while 0:03:58.010 --> 0:04:01.880 talks of a ceasefire drag on, the war itself continues. 0:04:01.910 --> 0:04:04.100 Bring us up to date on the conflict in Gaza, 0:04:04.100 --> 0:04:06.470 as well as the other hot spots in that region. 0:04:06.590 --> 0:04:08.570 Yeah, and as we just mentioned, Israel is in the 0:04:08.570 --> 0:04:11.660 process of gaining full control over Khan Younis, which is 0:04:11.660 --> 0:04:15.110 where they thought the Hamas leadership was hiding. Unfortunately, so 0:04:15.110 --> 0:04:19.130 far they've not located the senior leadership or the hostages. 0:04:19.279 --> 0:04:22.460 The one remaining major urban area is Rafah, which is 0:04:22.460 --> 0:04:25.789 right on the border with Egypt. The residents of Gaza 0:04:25.790 --> 0:04:28.789 have been forced toward the south, so Rafah is now 0:04:28.790 --> 0:04:32.539 extremely crowded. Egypt is afraid that an Israeli push into 0:04:32.540 --> 0:04:36.260 the area will result in large numbers of refugees rushing 0:04:36.260 --> 0:04:40.010 the border to escape into Egypt. But before Israel moves 0:04:40.010 --> 0:04:42.410 into Rafah, it still has a number of smaller villages 0:04:42.410 --> 0:04:45.050 and towns that it needs to enter to find and 0:04:45.050 --> 0:04:48.650 eliminate Hamas fighters, and that's why the war is continuing on. 0:04:48.680 --> 0:04:51.409 Israel is also working to find and eliminate the vast 0:04:51.410 --> 0:04:54.529 network of tunnels throughout Gaza that was far more extensive 0:04:54.529 --> 0:04:57.140 than they ever thought. They've begun what they're calling the 0:04:57.140 --> 0:05:00.440 Atlantis Project, which is designed to flood many of the 0:05:00.440 --> 0:05:03.200 tunnels with massive amounts of water. You know, they first 0:05:03.200 --> 0:05:06.320 entered these tunnels to look for fighters or hostages and 0:05:06.320 --> 0:05:09.250 to map. Out the tunnel complex itself, and then they 0:05:09.250 --> 0:05:11.800 flood the tunnels that are suitable for being destroyed in 0:05:11.800 --> 0:05:15.310 this way with water. Others are being blown up. In 0:05:15.310 --> 0:05:18.310 terms of the other hotspots in the region, though, Hezbollah 0:05:18.310 --> 0:05:21.730 is the one major concern. Israel has increased the intensity 0:05:21.730 --> 0:05:25.540 of its response to Hezbollah's cross-border attacks, and they're also 0:05:25.540 --> 0:05:29.050 threatening to open a second front in the war against Hezbollah. 0:05:29.410 --> 0:05:31.479 The US has been pushing a plan that would move 0:05:31.480 --> 0:05:34.960 Hezbollah away from the border, and there were some preliminary 0:05:34.960 --> 0:05:38.770 reports that said an end of Hezbollah's attacks might happen soon. 0:05:38.770 --> 0:05:42.250 But it's unclear if those optimistic assessments were based on 0:05:42.250 --> 0:05:45.969 hard evidence or were simply wishful thinking. It seems that 0:05:45.970 --> 0:05:49.150 all sides would like to end the conflict, but they 0:05:49.150 --> 0:05:50.950 also want to be able to do so in a 0:05:50.950 --> 0:05:53.050 way that lets them claim some sort of victory in 0:05:53.050 --> 0:05:56.950 the process. Right. And that's making that process even more difficult. 0:05:56.980 --> 0:05:59.710 That's Doctor Charlie Dyer. I'm John Yeager. This is the 0:05:59.710 --> 0:06:03.010 land and the book. Well, a 45 year old mystery 0:06:03.010 --> 0:06:07.060 has now been solved. Archaeologists believe they know the identities 0:06:07.060 --> 0:06:10.210 of those buried in the royal tombs in Vergina, Greece. 0:06:10.240 --> 0:06:12.880 What have they discovered? And frankly, why is that of 0:06:12.880 --> 0:06:13.930 interest to us? 0:06:14.110 --> 0:06:16.930 Yeah, this story moves away from the conflict around Israel, 0:06:16.930 --> 0:06:18.940 and I think it's a cool reminder that when it 0:06:18.940 --> 0:06:22.810 comes to archaeology, even old discoveries can have a new twist. 0:06:23.050 --> 0:06:26.020 For those familiar with the second missionary journey of Paul 0:06:26.020 --> 0:06:28.660 in the Book of Acts. These burial tombs were discovered 0:06:28.660 --> 0:06:32.440 about five miles east of Berea, at about 35 miles 0:06:32.440 --> 0:06:35.650 southwest of Thessalonica. So it's very near the spot where 0:06:35.650 --> 0:06:39.279 Paul was traveling on that second missionary journey. The untouched 0:06:39.279 --> 0:06:43.450 tomb complex was discovered and excavated back in 1978. That's 0:06:43.450 --> 0:06:48.370 46 years ago. The archaeologists found two monumental vaulted chambers 0:06:48.370 --> 0:06:51.219 with four tombs. The smaller of the two chambers had 0:06:51.220 --> 0:06:53.950 been looted, but the larger chamber was intact with a 0:06:53.950 --> 0:06:57.250 large variety of burial goods. Now the fines were significant, 0:06:57.250 --> 0:07:00.400 but they left behind a real mystery who was buried there. 0:07:00.430 --> 0:07:04.090 The archaeologists felt sure the bodies were relatives of Alexander 0:07:04.089 --> 0:07:06.130 the Great in some way, but there was debate on 0:07:06.130 --> 0:07:11.080 who exactly they were. Now, by combining paleo pathological evidence, 0:07:11.080 --> 0:07:14.260 you now think of a modern pathologist, but one studying 0:07:14.260 --> 0:07:17.770 ancient remains, along with a careful study of ancient written 0:07:17.770 --> 0:07:21.310 sources and the archaeology they believe they have the answer. 0:07:21.340 --> 0:07:25.030 The tombs contain the remains of Alexander the Great's father, 0:07:25.030 --> 0:07:28.750 Philip of Macedon, as well as Philip's second wife, her 0:07:28.750 --> 0:07:32.170 newborn child and a half brother of Alexander, along with 0:07:32.170 --> 0:07:35.830 his wife. The details in this John are fascinating. For example, 0:07:35.830 --> 0:07:40.090 they identified Philip from a new fusion in the skeletal remains. 0:07:40.120 --> 0:07:44.110 Historical sources recorded that Philip's leg had been wounded in battle, 0:07:44.230 --> 0:07:46.210 and that he was buried with his second wife and 0:07:46.210 --> 0:07:50.890 young child. Those same sources said Philip was assassinated shortly 0:07:50.890 --> 0:07:53.230 after the birth of his son, and that his wife 0:07:53.230 --> 0:07:56.050 and newborn son were then burned to death by Philip's 0:07:56.050 --> 0:07:59.800 first wife to secure the throne for her son, Alexander. Well, 0:07:59.800 --> 0:08:04.840 combining archaeology, paleo pathology and historical records that helped flesh 0:08:04.840 --> 0:08:07.840 out this discovery in a way that brings the intrigue 0:08:07.840 --> 0:08:11.590 surrounding Alexander the Great's rise to power into sharper focus. 0:08:11.620 --> 0:08:15.790 The report reads like a 2400 year old whodunit mystery, 0:08:15.790 --> 0:08:19.540 with Alexander's mother plotting to make her son king. 0:08:19.780 --> 0:08:23.560 Researchers at the Technion Institute in Israel have unlocked the 0:08:23.560 --> 0:08:26.680 secret of producing green hydrogen in a way that could 0:08:26.680 --> 0:08:29.950 make it affordable and sustainable. Tell us about this latest 0:08:29.950 --> 0:08:31.840 innovation from amazing Israel. 0:08:31.840 --> 0:08:35.140 Using hydrogen to power engines and automobiles seems like the 0:08:35.140 --> 0:08:38.980 ideal solution to the problem of greenhouse gas emissions. The 0:08:38.980 --> 0:08:42.730 problem is that producing hydrogen by splitting water through electrolysis 0:08:42.730 --> 0:08:45.940 is expensive and can even create greater pollution if it 0:08:45.940 --> 0:08:49.600 involves the burning of fossil fuels to generate the needed energy. 0:08:49.870 --> 0:08:52.930 The researchers at the Technion have announced what they're calling 0:08:52.929 --> 0:08:57.880 a disruptive process to generate hydrogen more affordably and sustainably, 0:08:57.880 --> 0:09:01.809 instead of using expensive membranes and sealing components. They've developed 0:09:01.809 --> 0:09:05.290 a process to separate water into hydrogen and oxygen, using 0:09:05.290 --> 0:09:08.740 bromide in a catalytic reaction. Now, while it will take 0:09:08.740 --> 0:09:12.970 some time to refine and develop the technology, this breakthrough 0:09:12.970 --> 0:09:16.270 could someday lead us to be driving hydrogen powered cars 0:09:16.270 --> 0:09:19.839 that produce only water vapor as a byproduct. And that 0:09:19.840 --> 0:09:24.040 will definitely be another great step forward from these researchers 0:09:24.040 --> 0:09:26.290 at the Technion in amazing Israel. 0:09:26.320 --> 0:09:28.960 Wow, what a story! Interesting. We'll look forward to further 0:09:28.960 --> 0:09:33.880 developments there. And finally, rain is considered a blessing in Israel, 0:09:33.880 --> 0:09:36.820 and over the past month, God has apparently been blessing 0:09:36.820 --> 0:09:40.869 Israel in ways they haven't seen in nearly 30 years. 0:09:40.900 --> 0:09:44.980 Tell us about the showers of blessing that they've been experiencing, Charlie. 0:09:45.070 --> 0:09:47.620 Yeah, yeah. At the end of January and into February, 0:09:47.620 --> 0:09:51.730 Israel experienced 14 straight days of rainfall. It's the first 0:09:51.730 --> 0:09:54.610 time they've had measurable rain every day for two weeks 0:09:54.610 --> 0:09:59.050 since February 1992, and the steady rainfall has allowed the 0:09:59.050 --> 0:10:02.410 rainwater to seep into the ground to help replenish natural 0:10:02.410 --> 0:10:05.800 water sources without causing flooding. It was just a nice, steady. 0:10:06.050 --> 0:10:09.980 Rain from Jerusalem north. The country has had an abundance 0:10:09.980 --> 0:10:13.460 of rain, though from Jerusalem south. It's not been so 0:10:13.460 --> 0:10:17.390 much that, to give an example, Jerusalem right now has 105% 0:10:17.390 --> 0:10:21.590 of its normal to date rainfall. That's about 13.5in. Head 0:10:21.590 --> 0:10:26.239 40 miles south to Beersheba, and they've only received 3.5in, 0:10:26.240 --> 0:10:29.870 but go north to Tel Dan and they've received 24in 0:10:29.870 --> 0:10:32.959 of rain to date. Even Capernaum on the Sea of Galilee, 0:10:32.960 --> 0:10:38.180 which is 600ft below sea level, has received 18.5in of rain, 0:10:38.179 --> 0:10:41.510 more rain in Capernaum than in Jerusalem. And speaking of 0:10:41.510 --> 0:10:44.510 the Sea of Galilee, the water level there rose nearly 0:10:44.510 --> 0:10:48.770 19in in just one week. Wow! It's now just five 0:10:48.770 --> 0:10:51.140 feet below the upper red line, which is when they 0:10:51.140 --> 0:10:53.240 need to open the dam at the southern end to 0:10:53.240 --> 0:10:55.910 keep the cities along the shore from flooding. And there 0:10:55.910 --> 0:10:58.250 are at least six more weeks when the rain can 0:10:58.250 --> 0:11:01.400 be expected. So hopefully these showers of blessing are going 0:11:01.400 --> 0:11:04.520 to continue. Now, the only other problem though, the wheat 0:11:04.520 --> 0:11:07.010 farmers in southern Israel are hoping the rains head their 0:11:07.010 --> 0:11:10.010 way to help assure a good wheat harvest, but otherwise, 0:11:10.010 --> 0:11:12.770 the rain has been a great report for Israel this year. 0:11:12.770 --> 0:11:14.900 Well, praise God for that. And that's a look at 0:11:14.900 --> 0:11:17.900 current events from the Middle East. Thank you. Charlie, what 0:11:17.900 --> 0:11:19.610 is it like to visit the Holy Land for the 0:11:19.610 --> 0:11:22.340 first time? You'll hear for yourself as we sit down 0:11:22.340 --> 0:11:25.160 with a couple up next on the land and the book. 0:11:25.160 --> 0:11:29.270 Our website is The Land and the book.org. We've got 0:11:29.270 --> 0:11:31.699 a podcast there you can share with your friends at 0:11:31.700 --> 0:11:49.750 the Land and the book.org. A visit to Israel. For 0:11:49.750 --> 0:11:52.450 most people, it's the trip of a lifetime. This is 0:11:52.450 --> 0:11:55.209 the land in the book. I'm John Geiger here with 0:11:55.210 --> 0:11:58.070 the second of four segments that make up our one 0:11:58.070 --> 0:12:01.150 hour flyover of the Middle East. You've joined us today 0:12:01.150 --> 0:12:04.120 at one of the very few quiet places in all 0:12:04.120 --> 0:12:07.960 of Jerusalem, our hotel room just outside the Old City, 0:12:07.960 --> 0:12:09.910 by the way, with me is a couple who are 0:12:09.910 --> 0:12:13.089 deeply invested in Christian ministry and are about to wrap 0:12:13.090 --> 0:12:15.940 up their very first trip to Israel. I want to 0:12:15.940 --> 0:12:18.760 welcome Chris and Don Phillips to the land in the book. 0:12:18.790 --> 0:12:21.460 We have had quite the adventure here in the Holy Land, 0:12:21.460 --> 0:12:22.360 haven't we guys? 0:12:22.390 --> 0:12:26.410 Yes, it's been amazing, memorable and, as you described it, 0:12:26.410 --> 0:12:27.400 life changing. 0:12:27.580 --> 0:12:30.280 Chris introduced us to your ministry and then we'll give 0:12:30.280 --> 0:12:32.380 your wife a turn. What exactly do you guys do? 0:12:32.410 --> 0:12:38.890 Sail international exists for those in ministry. Paul described his 0:12:38.890 --> 0:12:44.319 ministry as fighting the good fight of faith, and many 0:12:44.320 --> 0:12:48.550 times throughout the scriptures we see that terminology for those 0:12:48.550 --> 0:12:51.010 that are serving the Lord. It is a battle at times. 0:12:51.010 --> 0:12:54.579 There are things you struggle with, although we do have 0:12:54.580 --> 0:12:59.440 the promise of victory. So our ministry comes alongside pastors, 0:12:59.440 --> 0:13:03.970 their families, missionaries and their families when they're dealing with 0:13:03.970 --> 0:13:12.730 life issues, disappointments, sin, discouragement because Satan is after them 0:13:12.730 --> 0:13:16.719 to either make their ministry ineffective or to get them 0:13:16.720 --> 0:13:19.390 completely out of ministry. So we come alongside those in 0:13:19.390 --> 0:13:21.550 ministry to help them continue serving the Lord. 0:13:21.730 --> 0:13:24.280 Don, nobody can do what your husband does. What you 0:13:24.280 --> 0:13:27.820 do apart from, you know, complete investment. How do you 0:13:27.820 --> 0:13:29.830 how do you share the load in this ministry? 0:13:30.130 --> 0:13:33.910 Well, sometimes it's making beds for those coming to stay 0:13:33.910 --> 0:13:40.240 with us. Sometimes it's cleaning. Many times it's counseling. Pastors, 0:13:40.240 --> 0:13:44.410 wives and missionaries. Wives and their children have special heart 0:13:44.410 --> 0:13:48.670 for their children. They have, uh, really not signed up 0:13:48.670 --> 0:13:51.309 for this. You know, they're born into the family, and 0:13:51.309 --> 0:13:54.130 sometimes they feel like they're living in a glass house. 0:13:54.520 --> 0:13:58.329 Everybody's eyes are on them. So it's a joy, a 0:13:58.330 --> 0:14:02.890 real joy to enter into difficult moments with them. 0:14:03.220 --> 0:14:05.140 Chris, what made you guys think about a trip to 0:14:05.140 --> 0:14:06.610 Israel in the first place? 0:14:06.640 --> 0:14:09.730 Well, we have actually dreamed about this for as long 0:14:09.730 --> 0:14:14.439 as we've been married. 34 years now this week. And 0:14:14.440 --> 0:14:17.890 our Hispanic church that we planted in Charleston, South Carolina, 0:14:17.920 --> 0:14:21.010 they found out about our desire to come to Israel. 0:14:21.010 --> 0:14:23.830 And so they raised the money and they gave us 0:14:23.830 --> 0:14:26.770 the money for this trip. And they said, you need 0:14:26.770 --> 0:14:29.860 to go with Charlie Dyer in the land of the book. 0:14:29.860 --> 0:14:31.690 And so here we are. 0:14:31.720 --> 0:14:33.550 So let me ask you, Don, what do you hope 0:14:33.550 --> 0:14:36.460 to come away from this trip with anything specific? 0:14:36.460 --> 0:14:43.270 Well, you know, you dream of this. You study God's Word. Uh, 0:14:43.270 --> 0:14:47.740 you teach it, you teach your children about it. It's 0:14:47.740 --> 0:14:50.140 your life. You're delving in, and then you want to 0:14:50.140 --> 0:14:53.860 go see the places that you've read about. And so 0:14:53.860 --> 0:14:57.520 for sure, that will be connecting the dots there for 0:14:57.520 --> 0:15:00.370 me from all those years. But I think I'll be 0:15:00.370 --> 0:15:05.500 telling Bible stories in a whole new fashion now and 0:15:05.500 --> 0:15:08.290 for certain, I'm taking back something I never dreamed I'd 0:15:08.290 --> 0:15:11.680 be taking back. And that is the fact that every 0:15:11.680 --> 0:15:16.030 place we have stopped, I have gotten new insights into 0:15:16.030 --> 0:15:20.380 the Word of God. Nuggets that I know I've read about. 0:15:20.380 --> 0:15:24.520 But when you put it together, the way that you 0:15:24.520 --> 0:15:27.580 and Charlie both have taught us this trip, it's just 0:15:27.580 --> 0:15:28.930 been amazing for me. 0:15:28.930 --> 0:15:32.350 Chris and Don Phillips are both involved in ministry, coming 0:15:32.350 --> 0:15:36.460 alongside of pastors and missionaries and other Christian leaders who 0:15:36.460 --> 0:15:40.060 need little support. And they're joining us here on this 0:15:40.060 --> 0:15:43.810 trip to Israel. How do you think visiting Israel, Chris, 0:15:43.810 --> 0:15:46.360 will shape the way that you read Scripture when you 0:15:46.360 --> 0:15:47.230 go back home? 0:15:47.440 --> 0:15:51.190 No doubt it will be completely different than before. I 0:15:51.190 --> 0:15:56.590 was always interested in getting the underlying historical data together 0:15:56.590 --> 0:16:00.220 to be able to share insights into Scripture. In fact, 0:16:00.220 --> 0:16:02.890 many sermons that I preach when we're going to pastors 0:16:02.890 --> 0:16:07.750 conferences or just encouraging others is from the Psalms. Now 0:16:07.750 --> 0:16:12.130 it is totally changed the depth of the preaching and 0:16:12.130 --> 0:16:14.980 the meanings of those Psalms now that we've seen them. 0:16:14.980 --> 0:16:18.880 For example, uh, one morning Charlie gave us a devotional 0:16:18.880 --> 0:16:23.290 on Psalm 121 about how David was being led out 0:16:23.290 --> 0:16:26.170 of the city, and we were driving right by the 0:16:26.170 --> 0:16:29.500 hills that David probably saw when he penned the words, 0:16:29.740 --> 0:16:31.780 I will lift up mine eyes unto the hills, from 0:16:31.780 --> 0:16:34.810 whence cometh my help. And Charlie just drove home the 0:16:34.810 --> 0:16:37.060 fact that he didn't know how he was going to 0:16:37.060 --> 0:16:41.260 make it up those hills in the condition that he was. 0:16:41.260 --> 0:16:44.110 But he said, well, that's okay, because my hope is 0:16:44.110 --> 0:16:46.000 not in the hills. My hope is in the Lord. 0:16:46.000 --> 0:16:49.360 Who created those hills? And then later on that same day, 0:16:49.360 --> 0:16:51.850 he brought in the fact of how that David, when 0:16:51.850 --> 0:16:56.290 he was facing Goliath, had similar faith. He said to 0:16:56.290 --> 0:16:59.110 Goliath that, yes, you're coming to me with all of 0:16:59.110 --> 0:17:02.770 these swords and you're built for battle. But the battle 0:17:02.770 --> 0:17:05.260 is the Lord's. And so I believe now I'm going 0:17:05.260 --> 0:17:09.070 to be able to take those insights, connect it with 0:17:09.070 --> 0:17:13.000 the geography, and then make it even more powerful whenever 0:17:13.000 --> 0:17:15.940 we do come alongside pastors that may be discouraged and 0:17:15.940 --> 0:17:18.609 going through their dark desert time. 0:17:18.730 --> 0:17:22.090 Okay, you've mentioned a couple of David incidents. What about you, Don? 0:17:22.090 --> 0:17:26.020 Any kind of a story, a passage specifically that you 0:17:26.020 --> 0:17:29.409 might be seeing teaching just a bit differently as you 0:17:29.410 --> 0:17:30.790 go back home? Anything come to mind? 0:17:30.820 --> 0:17:35.500 I've talked a lot to ladies about our fortress, our rock. 0:17:36.310 --> 0:17:38.590 I have a whole new meaning now after going to 0:17:38.590 --> 0:17:46.210 Masada and just, um, being there and realizing what it 0:17:46.210 --> 0:17:52.030 truly means to have our God as our fortress. It's 0:17:52.030 --> 0:17:55.540 hard to be anxious. It's hard to be fearful when 0:17:55.540 --> 0:17:58.750 your eyes are on our God, who is our fortress, 0:17:58.750 --> 0:18:00.640 our rock, our deliverer. 0:18:00.880 --> 0:18:03.940 Let's get back to your ministry. As you're working with people, 0:18:03.970 --> 0:18:06.399 people who have been impacted either by a sense of 0:18:06.400 --> 0:18:10.480 failure or an issue of sin, whatever it might be. 0:18:10.480 --> 0:18:12.160 How do you think this trip to the Holy Land 0:18:12.160 --> 0:18:14.860 might shape the way you do ministry once you get back? 0:18:14.859 --> 0:18:19.000 Chris, I think no doubt the way that we apply scripture, 0:18:19.000 --> 0:18:21.430 you know, as preachers, a lot of times we are 0:18:21.430 --> 0:18:26.919 so good at helping others apply scripture to their difficulties, 0:18:26.920 --> 0:18:29.380 to their knees that they have. But so many times 0:18:29.560 --> 0:18:31.630 it's challenging to do it to our own lives. So 0:18:31.630 --> 0:18:35.469 that's when we need to humble ourselves and allow someone 0:18:35.470 --> 0:18:38.920 else to speak into us, because we are not infallible. 0:18:38.920 --> 0:18:42.250 And being able to now bring some of these insights 0:18:42.250 --> 0:18:47.590 in applications to help these pastors and these missionaries apply 0:18:47.590 --> 0:18:52.300 Scripture to their life in their darkest moments, I believe 0:18:52.300 --> 0:18:55.330 it will never be the same. Um, thinking about what 0:18:55.330 --> 0:18:59.859 Don just mentioned. Masada. Masada means fortress. Whenever we are 0:18:59.859 --> 0:19:04.900 being criticized, whenever we are being attacked, our defense is 0:19:04.900 --> 0:19:08.409 not in ourselves. Our defense will come from the Lord 0:19:08.410 --> 0:19:13.330 in his timing. And when you see Masada, how impenetrable 0:19:13.330 --> 0:19:17.619 it seemed. But yet anything built by man, as Charlie said, 0:19:17.619 --> 0:19:20.619 can be destroyed by man. But if it's built by 0:19:20.619 --> 0:19:24.220 God and you are resting and you're falling on that rock, 0:19:24.220 --> 0:19:28.060 then nothing will penetrate God's fortress around you. 0:19:28.330 --> 0:19:31.660 That's Chris Phillips with his wife Dawn, here in Jerusalem 0:19:31.660 --> 0:19:34.030 on the land. In the book, we're talking about a 0:19:34.030 --> 0:19:36.520 trip that we're wrapping up here. Not quite done, but 0:19:36.520 --> 0:19:39.580 let me ask you, Dawn, so far, what has been 0:19:39.580 --> 0:19:43.750 your most favorite spot? I'm coming your way. Next, Chris. 0:19:43.750 --> 0:19:44.170 Get ready. 0:19:44.890 --> 0:19:48.100 Well, it's strange as it seems. When we got out 0:19:48.100 --> 0:19:52.270 of that bus and we trudge down through some weeds 0:19:52.270 --> 0:19:57.100 and right down there by the brook. Isla. And I 0:19:57.100 --> 0:20:00.850 absolutely loved it, you know, Charlie said before getting out 0:20:00.850 --> 0:20:03.429 of the bus, it was his job to convince us 0:20:03.550 --> 0:20:06.910 that it was right where it happened. And he certainly did. 0:20:07.060 --> 0:20:11.980 And he retold the story and I could visualize it. 0:20:11.980 --> 0:20:17.410 He gave proof of the actual geographical location there. It 0:20:17.410 --> 0:20:20.110 was wonderful. And for me, it was just a really 0:20:20.109 --> 0:20:21.130 special moment. 0:20:21.340 --> 0:20:24.280 All right, Chris, a favorite spot for you so far is. 0:20:24.280 --> 0:20:27.010 It is so hard to pick just one spot. Right? 0:20:27.130 --> 0:20:30.939 But I'll have to say, when we were going around 0:20:30.940 --> 0:20:38.859 the area of Galilee, Capernaum, just the the commonness, the ordinariness, 0:20:38.859 --> 0:20:41.350 if you want to say it that way of that 0:20:41.350 --> 0:20:47.110 land and how it's really nothing spectacular. But when you 0:20:47.109 --> 0:20:52.060 bring in the fact that Jesus, the Messiah, walked there, 0:20:52.060 --> 0:20:56.830 healed people there, and did these miracles, and provided for 0:20:56.830 --> 0:21:00.610 his disciples there, and called these ordinary men there, I 0:21:00.609 --> 0:21:03.730 could not get past the fact that no matter what 0:21:03.730 --> 0:21:07.300 we feel like we have as giftedness, or no matter 0:21:07.300 --> 0:21:11.020 what area we're serving in, it's ordinary. But yet when 0:21:11.020 --> 0:21:15.850 you bring the Messiah in, anything that's ordinary becomes extraordinary. 0:21:15.970 --> 0:21:17.949 We'll just be faithful and serve him and keep our 0:21:17.950 --> 0:21:18.670 eyes on him. 0:21:18.670 --> 0:21:20.199 All right, I'll leave this open to whoever wants to 0:21:20.200 --> 0:21:24.250 grab it first. What here is smaller than you may be. 0:21:24.250 --> 0:21:27.910 Thought it might be. We all got our misconceptions or 0:21:27.910 --> 0:21:31.060 preconceptions before we come to Israel. You show up. What's 0:21:31.060 --> 0:21:33.310 smaller here than you maybe thought it might be? 0:21:33.310 --> 0:21:37.540 Jordan River. I thought that was a lot bigger. You 0:21:37.540 --> 0:21:39.489 just get these pictures in your mind, you know, and 0:21:39.490 --> 0:21:42.340 you think it's a certain way. And you, you carry 0:21:42.340 --> 0:21:44.850 that image from the time you hear it. You're 6 0:21:44.850 --> 0:21:46.900 or 7 years old in Sunday school, and you carry 0:21:46.900 --> 0:21:50.040 these images. That you've created for yourself, or you saw 0:21:50.040 --> 0:21:53.760 from a Bible storybook or flannel graph and it stays 0:21:53.760 --> 0:21:56.160 with you. And then you get here and it's like, wow, 0:21:56.160 --> 0:21:58.920 this is totally different than I imagined. 0:21:59.040 --> 0:22:02.460 I think for me, the smallness of the Sea of Galilee, 0:22:02.460 --> 0:22:06.330 even though it is a large lake, to be able 0:22:06.330 --> 0:22:08.730 to have a storm come up where the disciples would 0:22:08.730 --> 0:22:12.210 be fearing for their lives. I think of the ocean, 0:22:12.210 --> 0:22:15.810 an ocean sized body of water, where that would scare me. 0:22:15.810 --> 0:22:17.400 But I looked at the lake and it was just 0:22:17.400 --> 0:22:20.310 so peaceful. I just could not grasp that. How that 0:22:20.310 --> 0:22:22.919 they were fearing for their lives. Sea of Galilee, I 0:22:22.920 --> 0:22:24.720 guess for me, would be the shocker. 0:22:24.720 --> 0:22:27.600 All right. What's bigger than you thought it might be? 0:22:27.960 --> 0:22:28.830 Anything come to mind. 0:22:28.830 --> 0:22:32.700 There today, when we saw a model of Jerusalem to 0:22:32.700 --> 0:22:35.730 see the way the whole city was laid out, that 0:22:35.730 --> 0:22:39.360 to me was amazing. How that David and Solomon and 0:22:39.359 --> 0:22:43.590 Hezekiah and all the kings had added to that city, 0:22:43.590 --> 0:22:45.869 and then to see it in all of its glory 0:22:46.320 --> 0:22:49.530 was just it was just incredible. And, you know, and 0:22:49.530 --> 0:22:52.770 thinking about the New Jerusalem one day when we're going 0:22:52.770 --> 0:22:56.010 to be able to be there and there'll be nothing 0:22:56.010 --> 0:22:58.710 to be compared to that. But I think the city 0:22:58.710 --> 0:23:01.920 of Jerusalem for me was shocking how large that was. 0:23:01.920 --> 0:23:03.510 Anything come to mind for you? Bigger? 0:23:03.510 --> 0:23:05.879 Well, he stole mine, but yeah. 0:23:06.240 --> 0:23:07.110 But we'll forgive him. 0:23:07.440 --> 0:23:13.230 Yes. I was just enraptured. Today, so much is different 0:23:13.230 --> 0:23:15.720 than what I had thought it was. Even in books 0:23:15.720 --> 0:23:18.540 I had seen it. It doesn't give it justice. It just. 0:23:18.540 --> 0:23:25.020 It's not. It's so incredible. And to stand there today 0:23:25.410 --> 0:23:29.280 amongst the olive trees and. Oh, it was a dream 0:23:29.280 --> 0:23:29.970 come true. 0:23:30.060 --> 0:23:33.449 You know, the importance of water shows up dramatically, it 0:23:33.450 --> 0:23:36.870 seems to me, everywhere you go here in Israel. What 0:23:36.869 --> 0:23:39.270 does that do for the way you now consider Jesus 0:23:39.270 --> 0:23:41.790 calling himself the water of life? 0:23:42.330 --> 0:23:46.080 Through life, so many things affect us that just suck 0:23:46.080 --> 0:23:49.619 the life out of us. Desert heat. And I think 0:23:49.619 --> 0:23:53.400 of maybe barren times in your ministry. Everyone goes through those. 0:23:53.400 --> 0:23:57.210 When you're serving the Lord and you're seeing fruit, that's easy, 0:23:57.210 --> 0:24:00.450 that's exciting. But when there's a dry time or when 0:24:00.450 --> 0:24:03.720 the Bible is not as alive as it was before, 0:24:03.720 --> 0:24:07.410 or you're feeling far away from the Lord. Um. The 0:24:07.410 --> 0:24:11.310 water of life does not come from without. It comes 0:24:11.310 --> 0:24:14.909 from within. John 738 when he says that the spring 0:24:14.910 --> 0:24:18.990 of water springing up inside of you, that spring of water, 0:24:18.990 --> 0:24:21.570 is Jesus and the Holy Spirit. 0:24:22.020 --> 0:24:25.139 You know, Psalm 122 six tells us, pray for the 0:24:25.140 --> 0:24:29.040 peace of Jerusalem. May they prosper who love you. This 0:24:29.040 --> 0:24:31.980 may be one of the only times in your life 0:24:32.010 --> 0:24:35.250 you're ever able to pray for the peace of Jerusalem 0:24:35.250 --> 0:24:38.850 in Jerusalem. I would invite you to close our interview 0:24:38.850 --> 0:24:41.280 with a brief prayer for the peace of Jerusalem. 0:24:41.730 --> 0:24:46.590 Heavenly father, what a powerful God that you are. Lord, 0:24:46.590 --> 0:24:49.980 we know one day you have promised that you will 0:24:49.980 --> 0:24:56.280 make every injustice right. You will make every single trial 0:24:56.280 --> 0:25:00.450 worth it. We can even compare the weight of glory 0:25:00.450 --> 0:25:04.650 that's waiting. If we will patiently serve you and wait 0:25:04.650 --> 0:25:07.620 upon you during our trials. So, Lord, I pray right 0:25:07.619 --> 0:25:11.670 now for this great city, the history here, the way 0:25:11.670 --> 0:25:13.710 that you love this city. Lord, we know that you 0:25:13.710 --> 0:25:17.040 love it. How that your son wept over it. So, God, 0:25:17.040 --> 0:25:21.030 I pray right now. Father, I pray for the peace 0:25:21.030 --> 0:25:25.199 of Jerusalem. Lord, in your time we ask that you 0:25:25.200 --> 0:25:27.570 would bring that to pass. In Jesus name, Amen. 0:25:28.170 --> 0:25:31.440 Amen. Well, it's been a blast talking with you guys, 0:25:31.440 --> 0:25:33.720 and I'm sure you're going to be faithful stewards of 0:25:33.720 --> 0:25:35.850 all that God has shown you. Thanks for being a 0:25:35.850 --> 0:25:37.020 part of the land of the book, Don. 0:25:37.020 --> 0:25:37.920 Thank you John. 0:25:37.920 --> 0:25:38.370 Thank you. 0:25:38.369 --> 0:25:39.840 Chris. It's been a pleasure. John. 0:25:39.840 --> 0:25:41.820 I hope you guys have got your Bibles handy because 0:25:41.820 --> 0:25:44.700 Charlie Dyer is back in our next segment. He's got 0:25:44.700 --> 0:25:47.970 a whole bunch of Bible questions, and you can attest 0:25:47.970 --> 0:25:50.310 to it. Now, having been here and traveling with Charlie, 0:25:50.310 --> 0:25:51.660 he's got some great answers, doesn't he? 0:25:51.690 --> 0:25:52.710 Absolutely. 0:25:52.710 --> 0:25:55.680 That's all ahead next here on the land and the book. 0:26:06.869 --> 0:26:09.629 Questions and answers. That's where we're headed in this next 0:26:09.630 --> 0:26:12.540 segment on the land and the book. Welcome back. I'm 0:26:12.540 --> 0:26:15.270 John Jaeger, and many people, Charlie, are asking, how do 0:26:15.270 --> 0:26:17.970 I share the gospel with my Jewish friend? It's a 0:26:17.970 --> 0:26:21.600 good question. And that question recognizes the need, of course, 0:26:21.600 --> 0:26:25.260 for a sensitive approach to sharing Jesus with Jewish people. Right? 0:26:25.500 --> 0:26:27.690 That's right. That's why our friends at Life in Messiah 0:26:27.690 --> 0:26:30.389 want to help answer that question. They put together a 0:26:30.390 --> 0:26:33.179 series of helpful articles on how you can share the 0:26:33.180 --> 0:26:36.119 good news with Jewish people around you. You'll learn about 0:26:36.119 --> 0:26:41.460 Jewish cultural sensitivities, how anti-Semitism affects Jewish evangelism, the importance 0:26:41.460 --> 0:26:45.810 of messianic prophecy, and more. To access the articles, visit 0:26:45.810 --> 0:26:49.290 Life in Messiah. Org. Click on the Moody Radio logo 0:26:49.290 --> 0:26:52.020 and sign up. You'll receive the articles to equip you 0:26:52.020 --> 0:26:55.350 with practical ways to share the good news with Jewish 0:26:55.350 --> 0:26:58.590 people around you or online. Again, click on the Moody 0:26:58.590 --> 0:27:02.580 Radio icon at Life in messiah.org. 0:27:02.910 --> 0:27:05.040 Charlie. One of the things I enjoy in life is 0:27:05.040 --> 0:27:07.920 a good lightning storm. I mean, there's there's so much 0:27:08.100 --> 0:27:10.740 intrigue in a burst of lightning, and when there's a 0:27:10.740 --> 0:27:13.350 whole bunch of it coming, rapid fire, all the better, 0:27:13.350 --> 0:27:14.070 don't you think? 0:27:14.070 --> 0:27:16.140 Oh, I love lightning storms. All right, well. 0:27:16.140 --> 0:27:19.139 We've got the, uh, the question equivalent of that today 0:27:19.140 --> 0:27:23.280 in a email conversation with a listener named Janie. And 0:27:23.280 --> 0:27:25.920 so she's got a series of questions about the feasts 0:27:25.920 --> 0:27:28.050 and laws, and we're going to go through them quickly, 0:27:28.050 --> 0:27:31.650 sort of a lightning round of questions. So stick around, 0:27:31.650 --> 0:27:36.240 buckle your seatbelts. Here comes question one. Deuteronomy 16, verse 0:27:36.240 --> 0:27:38.910 16 says that the males of Israel were to appear 0:27:38.910 --> 0:27:42.750 before the Lord three times a year Passover, Shavuot, and 0:27:42.750 --> 0:27:45.540 Sukkot with their wife and children. Join them. 0:27:45.540 --> 0:27:47.760 You know, it doesn't say so in Deuteronomy, but I 0:27:47.760 --> 0:27:50.909 believe the families did usually accompany the men to the feasts. 0:27:50.910 --> 0:27:54.090 Two reasons one Old Testament, one new. In first Samuel one, 0:27:54.090 --> 0:27:56.820 we're told that Elkanah went up year after year to 0:27:56.820 --> 0:27:59.700 worship and sacrifice to the Lord Almighty. Now we're not 0:27:59.700 --> 0:28:02.280 told which of the feasts, but many think it's the 0:28:02.280 --> 0:28:05.879 feast of, uh, Sukkot or Tabernacles. But it doesn't matter, 0:28:05.880 --> 0:28:08.850 because the point is, he took along his family, including Hannah. 0:28:08.850 --> 0:28:12.240 And then in the New Testament, in Luke 241, were told, 0:28:12.240 --> 0:28:14.909 every year Joseph and Mary went to Jerusalem for the 0:28:14.910 --> 0:28:18.060 feast of Passover. So in both the Old and New Testament, 0:28:18.060 --> 0:28:20.609 we have examples of wives going to the feast with 0:28:20.609 --> 0:28:21.390 their husbands. 0:28:21.390 --> 0:28:24.540 Here's question number two in our lightning round. Would Passover 0:28:24.540 --> 0:28:28.080 an all nighter also roll into the Feast of Unleavened 0:28:28.080 --> 0:28:30.900 Bread and the Feast of Firstfruits for eight days? 0:28:30.900 --> 0:28:33.359 Yeah, I think Passover did roll over into the Feast 0:28:33.359 --> 0:28:35.880 of Unleavened Bread and the Feast of Firstfruits, and that 0:28:35.880 --> 0:28:39.360 also helps explain the prophetic significance of those feasts, as 0:28:39.360 --> 0:28:42.180 they pointed to the death and burial and resurrection of 0:28:42.180 --> 0:28:44.610 Jesus as the first fruits from the dead. 0:28:44.760 --> 0:28:47.430 Third question in our lightning round is the blowing of 0:28:47.430 --> 0:28:51.120 the trumpet at Rosh Hashanah done only at Jerusalem, or 0:28:51.120 --> 0:28:53.040 is it happening throughout Israel? 0:28:53.040 --> 0:28:55.050 You know, we don't know what it was like in 0:28:55.050 --> 0:28:57.420 the past, but, uh, we do know right now that 0:28:57.420 --> 0:29:01.020 the trumpet is sounded today in synagogues throughout Israel and 0:29:01.020 --> 0:29:03.210 around the world at Rosh Hashanah. 0:29:03.210 --> 0:29:06.960 Question four when it came for Sukkot, day 15 of 0:29:06.960 --> 0:29:10.800 the seventh month would travel to Jerusalem. Also include day 0:29:10.800 --> 0:29:14.310 ten of the seventh month, Yom Kippur, the Day of Atonement. 0:29:14.310 --> 0:29:17.310 Or do people regard the Day of Atonement at home? 0:29:17.310 --> 0:29:20.430 Yeah. It's interesting that Yom Kippur was not included in 0:29:20.430 --> 0:29:22.860 the times when the people were told to present themselves 0:29:22.860 --> 0:29:26.250 before the Lord in Jerusalem. The significance of the day 0:29:26.250 --> 0:29:29.490 involved the priest's work on behalf of himself and the people, 0:29:29.490 --> 0:29:32.520 to provide that temporary atonement for sin. So it was 0:29:32.520 --> 0:29:34.590 a day when the people were to afflict their souls, 0:29:34.590 --> 0:29:36.450 which they took to mean it was a day when 0:29:36.450 --> 0:29:39.300 they were too fast from sunup to sundown. I assume 0:29:39.300 --> 0:29:41.550 those in Jerusalem could have gone to the temple, though 0:29:41.550 --> 0:29:44.430 much of what the high priest did was performed out 0:29:44.430 --> 0:29:47.610 of sight inside the Holy Place and the Holy of Holies. 0:29:47.610 --> 0:29:51.510 Lightning round. Question number five when Elkanah and Hannah went 0:29:51.510 --> 0:29:54.750 up yearly, is there a biblical allowance to come to 0:29:54.750 --> 0:29:58.110 only one feast? And if so, what is that feast? 0:29:58.110 --> 0:30:00.690 Yeah, well, the command was to appear three times a year. 0:30:00.690 --> 0:30:04.110 So it's possible that first Samuel one is simply compressing 0:30:04.110 --> 0:30:06.510 events to let us know they went up every year. 0:30:06.510 --> 0:30:10.380 But Luke two specifically mentions just Passover, and acts two 0:30:10.380 --> 0:30:13.980 describes Jews from around the world gathering at Pentecost. In 0:30:13.980 --> 0:30:17.280 acts 20, we're told Paul and his traveling companions spent 0:30:17.280 --> 0:30:21.150 Passover unleavened bread in Philippi, but Paul wanted to reach 0:30:21.150 --> 0:30:25.229 Jerusalem in time to celebrate Shavuot or Pentecost in acts 20, 0:30:25.230 --> 0:30:28.080 verse 16. But in answer to the question now, I'm 0:30:28.080 --> 0:30:30.960 not sure how hard and fast the requirement was to 0:30:30.960 --> 0:30:34.380 make it to Jerusalem for all three feasts, especially as 0:30:34.380 --> 0:30:37.740 the Jewish people expanded beyond the land throughout the entire 0:30:37.740 --> 0:30:38.790 Roman Empire. 0:30:38.790 --> 0:30:42.270 Last question from Janie in this lightning round, Joseph and 0:30:42.270 --> 0:30:46.320 Mary in Luke one after eight days named Jesus and 0:30:46.320 --> 0:30:48.990 then had him circumcised. Would this have been done at 0:30:48.990 --> 0:30:53.160 their local synagogue? And then, fulfilling the law 33 days later, 0:30:53.160 --> 0:30:56.460 would the trek be to Jerusalem for Mary's purification? 0:30:56.460 --> 0:30:59.400 Yeah. It's unclear whether the circumcision took place in the 0:30:59.400 --> 0:31:02.310 synagogue or at their home. I have always thought personally 0:31:02.310 --> 0:31:03.810 that it might have been at their home. And I 0:31:03.810 --> 0:31:06.870 say that because when John the Baptist. Us was circumcised. 0:31:06.870 --> 0:31:10.740 It mentioned the gathering of their neighbors and relatives. And 0:31:10.740 --> 0:31:14.220 in verse 65, again it mentions the neighbors, which makes 0:31:14.220 --> 0:31:16.740 it sound more like a more intimate affair for family 0:31:16.740 --> 0:31:19.080 and close friends. But whether it took place in the 0:31:19.080 --> 0:31:22.440 local synagogue or in the home, we can't say for sure. 0:31:22.440 --> 0:31:25.320 I believe the circumcision of Jesus would have taken place 0:31:25.320 --> 0:31:28.650 in Bethlehem, whether in the house of Joseph and Mary 0:31:28.650 --> 0:31:31.110 where they were living, or the local synagogue. And then 0:31:31.110 --> 0:31:34.320 they were still there in Bethlehem 33 days later, when 0:31:34.320 --> 0:31:36.930 they went up to Jerusalem for Mary's purification. 0:31:36.930 --> 0:31:39.060 This is the land in the book from Moody Radio, 0:31:39.060 --> 0:31:42.780 our host, Doctor Charlie Dyer, welcoming your Bible questions anytime 0:31:42.780 --> 0:31:47.729 with a quick email to the land and the book@moody.edu, 0:31:47.730 --> 0:31:49.950 Rex says I see the problems we have in our 0:31:49.950 --> 0:31:53.820 American society because of a lack of a true biblical worldview. 0:31:53.850 --> 0:31:56.310 Could you send me some recommendations for materials that I 0:31:56.310 --> 0:31:59.970 could use in our church for teaching a biblical worldview? 0:31:59.970 --> 0:32:01.410 Any help as appreciated. 0:32:01.590 --> 0:32:03.750 Well, I can offer two suggestions that you might want 0:32:03.750 --> 0:32:07.350 to explore. The first is called the Truth Project and 0:32:07.350 --> 0:32:12.390 it's by Del del Tackett. Tackett. It's put out by 0:32:12.390 --> 0:32:15.240 focus on the family, and it's a video series on 0:32:15.240 --> 0:32:18.360 developing a biblical worldview. It's designed to be used in 0:32:18.360 --> 0:32:20.730 a small group setting, so it could be very helpful. 0:32:20.730 --> 0:32:22.709 At the second. You might have to adapt just a 0:32:22.710 --> 0:32:26.700 little bit. It's Josh McDowell's evidence that demands a verdict. 0:32:26.700 --> 0:32:29.130 The revised version of the book has been around for 0:32:29.130 --> 0:32:32.070 a little while, and he's also prepared an online video 0:32:32.070 --> 0:32:34.980 series in connection with the book. The book and video 0:32:34.980 --> 0:32:38.370 series can help people better articulate a biblical view in 0:32:38.370 --> 0:32:41.370 our secular culture, and a better understanding of the Bible. 0:32:41.730 --> 0:32:44.940 Question from Steve. How do you understand the phrase that 0:32:44.940 --> 0:32:48.300 she has received from the Lord's hand double for all 0:32:48.300 --> 0:32:50.880 her sins? That's Isaiah 40, verse two. 0:32:51.150 --> 0:32:52.800 Yeah. You know, when you first read it, it sounds 0:32:52.800 --> 0:32:55.050 like God saying, I'm going to punish you twice as 0:32:55.050 --> 0:32:57.900 much as you deserve. But that doesn't make any sense 0:32:57.900 --> 0:33:02.100 theologically or contextually or in our understanding of God himself. 0:33:02.100 --> 0:33:04.680 So I think the key is the Hebrew preposition there. 0:33:04.680 --> 0:33:07.170 It's it's the letter bait. In that third phrase. And 0:33:07.170 --> 0:33:10.320 rather than literally saying she's received from the Lord's hand, 0:33:10.530 --> 0:33:14.160 double in all her sin, I take that bait there 0:33:14.160 --> 0:33:15.840 with the word that follows in the sense of, in 0:33:15.840 --> 0:33:18.840 place of or instead of. Now there are three parallel 0:33:18.840 --> 0:33:22.110 phrases in that verse. They picture God reversing the judgment 0:33:22.110 --> 0:33:25.800 that he's just announced on Israel up through chapter 39. 0:33:25.890 --> 0:33:29.370 Isaiah is now saying her hard service has been completed. Well, 0:33:29.370 --> 0:33:33.000 chapters 40 to 48. The next nine chapters talk about 0:33:33.000 --> 0:33:36.930 Israel's promised return from captivity in Babylon, which God had announced. 0:33:36.930 --> 0:33:40.500 And then he says, her iniquity has been removed. That's 0:33:40.500 --> 0:33:43.500 chapters 49 to 57, where he talks about the work 0:33:43.500 --> 0:33:46.050 of the servant who's going to come. And ultimately, in 0:33:46.050 --> 0:33:49.200 Isaiah 53, died to pay the penalty for her sin. 0:33:49.200 --> 0:33:51.240 And then he says, and shall receive from the Lord's 0:33:51.240 --> 0:33:54.390 hand a double portion of blessing in place of the 0:33:54.390 --> 0:33:57.660 judgment she just received. And that's the last nine chapters 0:33:57.660 --> 0:34:00.900 of Isaiah 58 to 66, where he focuses on the 0:34:00.900 --> 0:34:03.840 millennial blessing God will now pour out on the nation. 0:34:03.840 --> 0:34:05.610 So I take the double there in the sense of 0:34:05.610 --> 0:34:09.270 the double portion of of the inheritance or blessing given 0:34:09.270 --> 0:34:11.850 by a parent to the firstborn in place of the 0:34:11.850 --> 0:34:15.180 judgment that Israel had just received. God promises to pour 0:34:15.180 --> 0:34:18.390 out a double portion of his blessing on the nation. 0:34:18.390 --> 0:34:21.210 Todd wants to know, do you think Jesus was born 0:34:21.210 --> 0:34:23.939 on December the 25th? He says, I used to think 0:34:23.940 --> 0:34:26.610 there was no historical basis for that at all, but 0:34:26.610 --> 0:34:29.310 I was recently doing some reading, and it sounds like 0:34:29.310 --> 0:34:31.920 there are some things that point to that date. What 0:34:31.920 --> 0:34:32.640 do you think? 0:34:32.760 --> 0:34:34.560 Well, yeah, you got to start by saying it has 0:34:34.560 --> 0:34:37.770 at least a 1 in 365 day chance of being 0:34:37.770 --> 0:34:40.290 correct now, but many would say the date was chosen 0:34:40.290 --> 0:34:43.200 at the time of Constantine in the year 354. And 0:34:43.200 --> 0:34:46.350 they have the celebration of Jesus birth replace a pagan 0:34:46.350 --> 0:34:49.890 holiday called Saturnalia in the Feast of Soul, which was 0:34:49.890 --> 0:34:52.799 celebrated on that date. However, there's some new evidence to 0:34:52.800 --> 0:34:56.730 challenge that old assumption statue of Hippolytus, a third century 0:34:56.730 --> 0:35:00.750 Christian theologian, was discovered. It now stands in the Vatican Library. 0:35:00.750 --> 0:35:02.970 An inscription on the side of the chair and the 0:35:02.969 --> 0:35:05.760 statue has a lunar table that records the dates of 0:35:05.760 --> 0:35:08.460 the full moons. He also records a common belief in 0:35:08.460 --> 0:35:12.420 the early church that Jesus was conceived during Passover and 0:35:12.420 --> 0:35:16.140 born exactly nine months later, which would be December 25th. Now, 0:35:16.140 --> 0:35:19.170 my point here is there's tradition that existed before the 0:35:19.170 --> 0:35:23.040 time of Constantine, the place Christ's birth on December 25th. 0:35:23.040 --> 0:35:25.800 It's interesting this date was given before that became the 0:35:25.800 --> 0:35:30.600 date when the Romans celebrated Saturnalia. Now, however, this identification 0:35:30.600 --> 0:35:33.780 of December 25th is based on a tradition that says 0:35:33.780 --> 0:35:36.989 Jesus was conceived during Passover, and unfortunately, we don't have 0:35:36.989 --> 0:35:40.200 any external confirmation for that tradition. So I'm left with 0:35:40.200 --> 0:35:44.640 this conclusion could Jesus have been born on December 25th? Yes. 0:35:44.640 --> 0:35:47.520 Can we say precisely when he was born? And no, 0:35:47.520 --> 0:35:51.120 we can't, at least with any degree of absolute certainty. 0:35:51.120 --> 0:35:54.000 And that doesn't bother me. There's at least some early 0:35:54.000 --> 0:35:57.839 church tradition pointing to his birth around December 25th, and 0:35:57.840 --> 0:36:00.540 it's as good a day as any other. To celebrate 0:36:00.540 --> 0:36:01.500 this event. 0:36:01.590 --> 0:36:03.960 Philip writes, I heard once a year that the rock 0:36:03.960 --> 0:36:07.180 at the tomb where Jesus was buried. Catches fire. What 0:36:07.180 --> 0:36:08.710 are your thoughts on this? Have you ever seen it 0:36:08.710 --> 0:36:10.030 in person? Yeah, I've. 0:36:10.030 --> 0:36:12.339 Never seen the ceremony because I've never been to church 0:36:12.340 --> 0:36:14.320 of the Holy Sepulchre at that time of year. It's 0:36:14.320 --> 0:36:17.830 held the Saturday before the Eastern Orthodox Easter. You ask 0:36:17.830 --> 0:36:20.589 my thoughts. Here they are. I think it's a fraud. Uh, 0:36:20.590 --> 0:36:22.870 there are early traditions of the event, but there's also 0:36:22.870 --> 0:36:26.500 very on the Western Church prohibiting its priests from participating 0:36:26.500 --> 0:36:29.470 because they thought it was fraudulent. So, anyway, it's primarily 0:36:29.469 --> 0:36:31.810 a belief of the Eastern Orthodox churches, and I don't 0:36:31.810 --> 0:36:33.700 put much stock in its authenticity. 0:36:33.730 --> 0:36:36.370 Thanks for those questions, Charlie. Thanks for your answers. And 0:36:36.370 --> 0:36:39.310 thank you for sticking around as Charlie Dyer's devotional is 0:36:39.310 --> 0:36:55.920 next right here on the land and the book. Welcome 0:36:55.920 --> 0:36:58.290 back to our fourth and final segment here at The Land. 0:36:58.290 --> 0:37:00.480 In the book, I'm John Geiger with our host, doctor 0:37:00.480 --> 0:37:04.469 Charlie Dyer. And Charlie, I have a confession to make. Okay, John, 0:37:04.469 --> 0:37:07.469 I walk from the train station to Moody. It's about 0:37:07.469 --> 0:37:09.780 a mile and a half every day, and sometimes I 0:37:09.780 --> 0:37:12.900 bump into some moody friends. But today I deliberately tried 0:37:12.900 --> 0:37:16.800 to avoid them because by mistake, I had taken a 0:37:16.800 --> 0:37:18.510 pair of gym shoes that I should have thrown out 0:37:18.510 --> 0:37:20.970 long ago. They've got big ugly holes right on the 0:37:20.969 --> 0:37:23.700 top of them, and I thought, that is so tacky looking. 0:37:23.700 --> 0:37:25.919 I don't want to be seen wearing these shoes. So 0:37:25.920 --> 0:37:29.250 those were people I tried to avoid. Now, I understand 0:37:29.250 --> 0:37:32.040 that your devotional has something about people we should avoid 0:37:32.040 --> 0:37:33.120 or try to avoid. 0:37:33.239 --> 0:37:35.370 That's exactly what it's on. Three kinds of people we 0:37:35.370 --> 0:37:37.050 should avoid, and none of them have to do with 0:37:37.050 --> 0:37:39.089 holes in our shoes. But we'll get. 0:37:39.090 --> 0:37:42.540 To that devotional after we hear this Holy Land experience testimony. 0:37:42.540 --> 0:37:45.150 I love it when people go to Israel, come back 0:37:45.150 --> 0:37:46.830 and share their thoughts with us. 0:37:50.880 --> 0:37:53.730 Hi, my name is Graham. I've been to Israel three 0:37:53.730 --> 0:37:58.290 times now and I'm already planning the the fourth return trip. 0:37:58.290 --> 0:38:02.670 It's such a life changing experience. It really makes the 0:38:02.670 --> 0:38:06.060 reading of the Bible. It changes it from reading in 0:38:06.060 --> 0:38:09.390 black and white to to reading it in, in full color. Uh, 0:38:09.390 --> 0:38:12.150 and the thing that impressed me was so much of 0:38:12.150 --> 0:38:17.640 what you read, uh, of the places, it's still very similar, uh, Galilee, 0:38:17.640 --> 0:38:21.450 still very rural. Um, the wilderness is still very remote. 0:38:21.630 --> 0:38:25.860 Jerusalem is still very religious. And this is, uh, it's 0:38:25.860 --> 0:38:30.600 like stepping into the Bible and having a immersing yourself 0:38:30.600 --> 0:38:33.600 in its culture. Uh, I can highly recommend it for, 0:38:33.600 --> 0:38:37.649 for anyone who would like to understand the scriptures in a, 0:38:37.650 --> 0:38:39.840 in a deeper and more a real way. 0:38:42.350 --> 0:38:45.350 All right, we're headed to Proverbs 25. Charlie, I understand 0:38:45.350 --> 0:38:48.350 in your devotional that you've titled three Kinds of People 0:38:48.350 --> 0:38:49.910 to Avoid. Take it away. 0:38:50.120 --> 0:38:52.370 Uh, thanks, John. I had a number of part time 0:38:52.370 --> 0:38:55.310 jobs in high school. One of the shortest and most 0:38:55.310 --> 0:38:59.089 unusual was at a milk processing plant. A local farmer 0:38:59.090 --> 0:39:01.820 processed and bottled the milk from his cows and sold 0:39:01.820 --> 0:39:05.239 it in his own roadside dairy store. My friend, his 0:39:05.239 --> 0:39:08.060 younger brother and I ran the small plant where the 0:39:08.060 --> 0:39:11.540 raw milk was pasteurized and bottled. I loaded the crates 0:39:11.540 --> 0:39:14.150 of bottled milk and drove them from the processing plant 0:39:14.150 --> 0:39:17.570 to the roadside store, mainly because I was the only 0:39:17.570 --> 0:39:19.850 one of the three of us who was over 16 0:39:19.850 --> 0:39:22.370 and had a driver's license. I think we did a 0:39:22.370 --> 0:39:25.400 pretty good job. At least no one ever became ill 0:39:25.400 --> 0:39:28.790 from drinking the milk we processed. However, we were still 0:39:28.790 --> 0:39:32.930 high school students, actually three teenage boys. So we did 0:39:32.930 --> 0:39:37.040 some things that, in hindsight, were really stupid. For example, 0:39:37.040 --> 0:39:39.170 after processing the milk, we had to tear down and 0:39:39.170 --> 0:39:42.140 clean all the equipment. This involved flushing all the tanks 0:39:42.140 --> 0:39:44.720 and pipes with water before cleaning them with a hot 0:39:44.719 --> 0:39:48.440 alkaline wash followed by a warm, acidic rinse. Now this 0:39:48.440 --> 0:39:51.109 is more than 50 years ago, but if I remember correctly, 0:39:51.110 --> 0:39:54.500 we used sodium carbonate for the alkaline wash and something 0:39:54.500 --> 0:39:57.440 like muriatic acid for the acid rinse. Now, we were 0:39:57.440 --> 0:40:00.890 told never to mix the acid and alkaline base. And 0:40:00.890 --> 0:40:03.140 so of course, one afternoon after we were all done, 0:40:03.140 --> 0:40:05.660 we decided to see what would happen if the two 0:40:05.690 --> 0:40:08.750 got mixed. We took an empty half gallon glass milk 0:40:08.750 --> 0:40:12.140 jug and filled it halfway up with the alkaline base solution. 0:40:12.140 --> 0:40:15.200 My buddy then gingerly walked over and poured the acid 0:40:15.200 --> 0:40:17.930 into the bottle. Let's just say it was a really 0:40:17.930 --> 0:40:21.680 stupid thing to do. Thankfully, the two liquids were relatively diluted, 0:40:21.680 --> 0:40:24.529 or we could have been severely injured. Two years later 0:40:24.530 --> 0:40:27.140 when I had chemistry in high school, I already understood 0:40:27.140 --> 0:40:30.109 from experience what happens when an acid is mixed with 0:40:30.110 --> 0:40:32.690 a base. Now I share that story with you as 0:40:32.690 --> 0:40:36.050 we walk along the new wall just built by Hezekiah 0:40:36.050 --> 0:40:39.680 to enclose the western hill of Jerusalem. The city expanded 0:40:39.680 --> 0:40:41.989 onto this hill following the fall of the northern Kingdom 0:40:41.989 --> 0:40:45.440 of Israel to Assyria. Hezekiah is preparing the city for 0:40:45.440 --> 0:40:49.069 an anticipated attack by the Assyrians. But in addition to 0:40:49.070 --> 0:40:52.340 working on the physical defenses of the city, Hezekiah has 0:40:52.340 --> 0:40:55.790 also been working on the city's spiritual defenses. We read 0:40:55.790 --> 0:40:59.150 about his revival in the first part of Second Kings 18, 0:40:59.150 --> 0:41:02.060 but we can also find hints of his spiritual revival 0:41:02.060 --> 0:41:06.440 in the Book of Proverbs. Proverbs 25 one begins by saying, 0:41:06.440 --> 0:41:10.219 these are more proverbs of Solomon, copied by the men 0:41:10.219 --> 0:41:13.940 of Hezekiah, king of Judah. Hezekiah wanted to preserve some 0:41:13.940 --> 0:41:17.330 of the practical day to day wisdom of Solomon. These 0:41:17.330 --> 0:41:20.510 were truths on how life really works to help people 0:41:20.510 --> 0:41:23.089 live wisely. And today I want us to look at 0:41:23.090 --> 0:41:27.770 three key verses in this chapter verses 18, 19 and 20. Now, 0:41:27.770 --> 0:41:30.319 at first they don't seem to connect, but by the 0:41:30.320 --> 0:41:34.010 end I think you'll spot the common denominator in these verses, 0:41:34.010 --> 0:41:37.490 Solomon focused on three kinds of people to avoid, and 0:41:37.489 --> 0:41:40.430 by the time we're done, you'll also understand the connection 0:41:40.430 --> 0:41:43.580 to my time working at a milk processing plant. The 0:41:43.580 --> 0:41:47.299 first proverb is 2518 like a club or a sword 0:41:47.300 --> 0:41:49.879 or a sharp arrow is the man who gives false 0:41:49.880 --> 0:41:53.690 testimony against his neighbor, a club, a sword, and a 0:41:53.690 --> 0:41:56.600 sharp arrow share one thing in common they can do 0:41:56.600 --> 0:42:00.200 great damage to the intended target, even though the word 0:42:00.200 --> 0:42:03.710 like isn't found in the Hebrew translators. Add it because 0:42:03.710 --> 0:42:06.950 Solomon is intending to make a comparison. So what does 0:42:06.950 --> 0:42:09.919 he say is like a weapon that can do great damage? 0:42:09.920 --> 0:42:15.110 An individual who gives false testimony against his neighbor, someone 0:42:15.110 --> 0:42:17.840 willing to lie about a person to cause harm is 0:42:17.840 --> 0:42:21.200 just as dangerous, and can do just as much damage 0:42:21.200 --> 0:42:24.260 as a soldier swinging a sword or club, or shooting 0:42:24.260 --> 0:42:27.440 a sharp, iron tipped arrow. The point of the proverb 0:42:27.440 --> 0:42:30.080 is quite direct if you come across someone willing to 0:42:30.080 --> 0:42:33.589 lie to hurt or harm another, stay away from them. 0:42:33.590 --> 0:42:36.770 What they're doing to others they could eventually do to you. 0:42:36.980 --> 0:42:39.710 Now we come to verse 19, which at first seems 0:42:39.710 --> 0:42:43.430 to change topics, but listen carefully like a bad tooth 0:42:43.430 --> 0:42:46.910 or a lame foot is reliance on the unfaithful in 0:42:46.910 --> 0:42:51.140 times of trouble, ever have a toothache and temporarily forget 0:42:51.140 --> 0:42:53.810 about it until you happen to bite into something hard? 0:42:53.810 --> 0:42:58.370 That shooting pain is unforgettable. How about a lame foot? 0:42:58.370 --> 0:43:01.250 Several years ago, I tore the interior meniscus in my 0:43:01.250 --> 0:43:04.189 left knee. One minute I was out for my morning walk, 0:43:04.190 --> 0:43:06.169 and the next I was trying to keep myself from 0:43:06.170 --> 0:43:10.129 tumbling off the sidewalk and onto the street. In both illustrations, 0:43:10.130 --> 0:43:13.160 the pain index can shoot from 0 to 10, from 0:43:13.160 --> 0:43:17.300 virtually no pain to excruciating pain in an instant. So 0:43:17.300 --> 0:43:20.210 what does Solomon compare to a toothache? Or in my case, 0:43:20.210 --> 0:43:24.080 a torn meniscus? He compares that to someone relying on 0:43:24.080 --> 0:43:27.920 or having confidence in an unfaithful person when facing a 0:43:27.920 --> 0:43:31.400 time of trouble. When the going gets tough, suddenly the 0:43:31.400 --> 0:43:33.950 one on whom you're depending decides it's time for them 0:43:33.950 --> 0:43:37.160 to get going, leaving you to face the problem alone. 0:43:37.280 --> 0:43:40.610 The point of this proverb is also quite direct avoid. 0:43:40.870 --> 0:43:43.690 Depending on someone who has demonstrated himself or herself to 0:43:43.690 --> 0:43:48.910 be unreliable. If they haven't demonstrated dependability in small areas, 0:43:48.910 --> 0:43:52.300 find someone else you can trust. And finally, Solomon comes 0:43:52.300 --> 0:43:55.600 to my pasteurized milk proverb in verse 20. Listen to 0:43:55.600 --> 0:43:58.420 the point of comparison as he begins, like one who 0:43:58.420 --> 0:44:01.480 takes away a garment on a cold day, or like vinegar, 0:44:01.480 --> 0:44:04.960 put on soda. Okay, the first part we get imagine 0:44:04.960 --> 0:44:08.379 standing in downtown Chicago today, only to have someone come 0:44:08.380 --> 0:44:11.620 by and steal your heavy jacket. Anyone who takes your 0:44:11.620 --> 0:44:13.840 coat on a cold day is certainly not trying to 0:44:13.840 --> 0:44:16.960 help you. You could freeze to death. But what about 0:44:16.960 --> 0:44:21.430 the second comparison? Vinegar is acidic, and soda doesn't just 0:44:21.430 --> 0:44:23.830 refer to the East Coast name for a soft drink, 0:44:23.830 --> 0:44:27.010 it refers to calcium carbonate, one of the main components 0:44:27.010 --> 0:44:31.240 of lye. The words used one other time in Jeremiah 222. 0:44:31.270 --> 0:44:34.600 Although you wash yourself with lye, there's the word and 0:44:34.600 --> 0:44:36.580 use an abundance of soap. The stain of your guilt 0:44:36.580 --> 0:44:40.000 still before me, declares the sovereign Lord. So what happens 0:44:40.000 --> 0:44:43.570 when you mix an acid and a base or alkali together? 0:44:43.570 --> 0:44:46.600 You get a chemical reaction that generates heat, but that 0:44:46.600 --> 0:44:51.010 otherwise isn't really helpful. So what's like taking someone's coat 0:44:51.010 --> 0:44:54.819 on a cold day or causing an unpleasant chemical reaction? 0:44:54.850 --> 0:44:57.940 Both are compared to the one who sings songs to 0:44:57.940 --> 0:45:02.230 a heavy or troubled heart. What's the point of this proverb? Well, 0:45:02.230 --> 0:45:05.410 if you've ever experienced a problem that is weighing you down, 0:45:05.440 --> 0:45:07.690 the last thing you wanted at that moment was to 0:45:07.690 --> 0:45:10.030 have someone come along and say, you know what your 0:45:10.030 --> 0:45:12.850 problem is? You need to sing a song. So let's sing. 0:45:12.850 --> 0:45:17.290 I'm a Yankee Doodle dandy. That suggestion is about as 0:45:17.290 --> 0:45:20.620 helpful as yanking off your coat on a cold day, 0:45:20.620 --> 0:45:23.380 and about the only reaction they'll get from you is 0:45:23.380 --> 0:45:27.070 like seeing the frothing that bubbles up from the chemical reaction. 0:45:27.100 --> 0:45:30.430 Solomon's point is that in times of discouragement and struggle, 0:45:30.430 --> 0:45:33.280 you need to avoid the person who is totally clueless 0:45:33.280 --> 0:45:37.210 and insensitive to your pain. They will do you no good. Well, 0:45:37.210 --> 0:45:39.280 it's time to head back home. But before we say 0:45:39.280 --> 0:45:42.310 goodbye to the people in Hezekiah's day, busy copying all 0:45:42.310 --> 0:45:45.130 these proverbs, what's the message we need to take back 0:45:45.130 --> 0:45:48.010 with us? Well, how about this? In life, there are 0:45:48.010 --> 0:45:50.560 three kinds of people we need to avoid. Stay away 0:45:50.560 --> 0:45:53.739 from someone willing to lie about others. Stay away from 0:45:53.739 --> 0:45:57.190 someone who's shown that he or she is undependable, and 0:45:57.190 --> 0:46:00.610 stay away from someone who is clueless and insensitive. Or 0:46:00.610 --> 0:46:03.219 to turn this around and make it positive. Search for 0:46:03.219 --> 0:46:05.980 and connect with people who are truth tellers, who are 0:46:05.980 --> 0:46:10.660 dependable and who demonstrate genuine care and sensitivity. Oh, and 0:46:10.660 --> 0:46:13.150 while you're at it, make sure you never mix an 0:46:13.150 --> 0:46:14.799 acid and a base together. 0:46:15.580 --> 0:46:19.359 Thank you Charlie. Very, very practical as always. Hey, if 0:46:19.360 --> 0:46:22.030 you have never taken advantage of our podcast, it's a 0:46:22.030 --> 0:46:26.320 great tool at our website, The Land and the book.org. 0:46:26.350 --> 0:46:29.109 You can share us with your friends. 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