1 00:00:06,200 --> 00:00:08,960 S1: There's something about her voice. There's something about her heart. 2 00:00:09,000 --> 00:00:12,280 S1: There's something about the way she communicates. What she's singing 3 00:00:12,280 --> 00:00:15,280 S1: that draws us in, that touches that deep nerve of 4 00:00:15,440 --> 00:00:20,040 S1: longing inside each of us. Her music, in my estimation, 5 00:00:20,040 --> 00:00:23,440 S1: deals with real life, the pain, the struggle we face 6 00:00:23,440 --> 00:00:28,040 S1: every day. But when she sings, she kind of trades 7 00:00:28,040 --> 00:00:30,400 S1: the pain and the struggle for the hope that comes 8 00:00:30,400 --> 00:00:32,800 S1: not from inside of us, but from the heart of 9 00:00:32,800 --> 00:00:36,640 S1: a loving father. Jenny Owens is with us. It's been 10 00:00:36,640 --> 00:00:39,120 S1: ten years since she's been here. I think she has 11 00:00:39,120 --> 00:00:42,400 S1: new songs from a brand new EP. I'm so excited 12 00:00:42,400 --> 00:00:45,360 S1: for you to hear them today at the radio backyard Fence. 13 00:00:45,360 --> 00:00:48,800 S1: This is Chris Fabry live online at Chris Fabry Lives. 14 00:00:49,240 --> 00:00:52,000 S1: Thanks to our team behind the scenes, I'm McConaughey is 15 00:00:52,000 --> 00:00:55,480 S1: doing all things technical. Tricia's our producer. Lisa's helping out. 16 00:00:55,480 --> 00:00:58,880 S1: Josh will be answering your calls and thank you back. Fans, 17 00:00:58,880 --> 00:01:01,840 S1: friends and partners We had the parrots on yesterday. Doctors 18 00:01:01,840 --> 00:01:05,320 S1: Les and Leslie Parrott, that is. And we you helped 19 00:01:05,319 --> 00:01:08,080 S1: us reach our goal for February. Thank you for calling, 20 00:01:08,080 --> 00:01:11,280 S1: for clicking through. Now, the author of the book that 21 00:01:11,280 --> 00:01:13,680 S1: they've written, along with Doctor Gary Chapman, is still available 22 00:01:13,680 --> 00:01:15,560 S1: for just a few more days. So if you call 23 00:01:15,560 --> 00:01:21,200 S1: 86695 Fabbri or go to Chris. Org, you can support 24 00:01:21,200 --> 00:01:23,640 S1: us and receive that brand new book, The Love Language 25 00:01:23,640 --> 00:01:26,960 S1: That Matters Most. If you haven't done that yet, just 26 00:01:26,959 --> 00:01:29,560 S1: let us hear from you. The conversation yesterday about the 27 00:01:29,560 --> 00:01:33,840 S1: dialects of the love languages really resonated with me. I'd 28 00:01:33,840 --> 00:01:35,920 S1: love to send you a copy and you can find 29 00:01:35,920 --> 00:01:45,000 S1: out how Chris Fabry live or call that number (866) 953-2279. 30 00:01:45,000 --> 00:01:47,560 S1: Thank you for your support of the radio backyard fence, 31 00:01:47,880 --> 00:01:51,520 S1: which allows us to have conversations like the one we're 32 00:01:51,520 --> 00:01:54,279 S1: about to have with a multi dove and ASCAP award 33 00:01:54,280 --> 00:01:59,230 S1: winning singer songwriter, worship leader, author and speaker. Her debut 34 00:01:59,230 --> 00:02:03,630 S1: album came out in 1999, and since she's released ten 35 00:02:04,110 --> 00:02:07,870 S1: albums since that, multiple EPs, two Christmas projects. She has 36 00:02:07,870 --> 00:02:11,190 S1: a new EP just released. Before we hear from that, 37 00:02:11,190 --> 00:02:13,549 S1: I want to go back just a few years. This 38 00:02:13,550 --> 00:02:15,350 S1: is Ginny Owens. 39 00:02:16,270 --> 00:02:24,950 S2: Be thou my vision, O Lord of my heart. Not 40 00:02:25,070 --> 00:02:32,750 S2: be all else to me. Save that thou art. All 41 00:02:33,150 --> 00:02:39,990 S2: I wanna do is give this life to you. And 42 00:02:39,990 --> 00:02:46,510 S2: let your will be done. Til it's all I wanna do. 43 00:02:47,470 --> 00:02:52,669 S2: Free today. Forget about your two left feet. And you're 44 00:02:52,710 --> 00:02:58,590 S2: free to sing even joyful noise music to me. I'm 45 00:02:58,590 --> 00:03:02,470 S2: free to love. Cause I've given my love. And it's 46 00:03:02,470 --> 00:03:11,950 S2: made you free. Free. I'm gonna walk through the valley 47 00:03:13,150 --> 00:03:15,750 S2: if you want me to. 48 00:03:19,389 --> 00:03:23,470 S1: I remember those songs from Jackson, Mississippi through Nashville and 49 00:03:23,470 --> 00:03:26,350 S1: now the Big Apple. What a pleasure to welcome back 50 00:03:26,389 --> 00:03:29,430 S1: Ginny Owens. Ginny, how are you doing today? 51 00:03:30,070 --> 00:03:34,030 S3: Wow. Chris. What the what? What kind of intro is that? Incredible. 52 00:03:34,070 --> 00:03:36,670 S3: Thank you so much. What a wow. 53 00:03:36,670 --> 00:03:38,310 S1: On the way back machine, didn't we? 54 00:03:38,950 --> 00:03:42,190 S3: I know, we really did. I was wow, I was 55 00:03:42,190 --> 00:03:44,230 S3: really kind of going way back. I haven't thought of 56 00:03:44,230 --> 00:03:46,750 S3: some of those songs in quite a while. So when you. 57 00:03:46,790 --> 00:03:48,870 S1: Hear them, when you hear those, what do you. What 58 00:03:48,910 --> 00:03:49,990 S1: goes through your mind? 59 00:03:51,350 --> 00:03:56,060 S3: Wow. Um, just the blessing that it has been to 60 00:03:56,100 --> 00:04:00,700 S3: get to share music and therefore to share life with 61 00:04:00,820 --> 00:04:04,220 S3: so many people for so many years now, so almost 62 00:04:04,260 --> 00:04:07,619 S3: 30 years. It's kind of crazy, but very, very special. 63 00:04:07,620 --> 00:04:11,420 S3: And just thinking about just the power of music in 64 00:04:11,420 --> 00:04:14,260 S3: all of our hearts and lives to remind us of 65 00:04:14,500 --> 00:04:18,020 S3: how good and faithful and true our God is and how, 66 00:04:18,060 --> 00:04:20,900 S3: you know, even though we're all, you know, living different 67 00:04:20,900 --> 00:04:25,659 S3: lives in various stages and places in our lives, this, 68 00:04:25,660 --> 00:04:28,460 S3: this beauty and this truth is what connects us. 69 00:04:28,500 --> 00:04:32,460 S1: Yeah. And the, uh, the. Do you ever think about this, 70 00:04:32,460 --> 00:04:35,380 S1: the songs that you you remember from your childhood or 71 00:04:35,420 --> 00:04:37,740 S1: that when you were a teenager that come back to 72 00:04:37,740 --> 00:04:40,460 S1: you unbidden, you know, you wake up in the morning, 73 00:04:40,500 --> 00:04:42,420 S1: it's like, why isn't that why in the world did 74 00:04:42,420 --> 00:04:45,339 S1: that song come back to me? There's something about not 75 00:04:45,339 --> 00:04:49,580 S1: just the melody and, you know, the lyrics, all that together, 76 00:04:49,580 --> 00:04:52,900 S1: but there's something about that that just kind of resonates 77 00:04:52,900 --> 00:04:54,700 S1: and runs through your life, doesn't it? 78 00:04:55,300 --> 00:04:59,020 S3: Absolutely, absolutely. And I definitely have those songs, and I'm 79 00:04:59,020 --> 00:05:02,380 S3: always very moved by folks that I meet on the 80 00:05:02,380 --> 00:05:05,940 S3: road who say that, that I have provided some of 81 00:05:05,940 --> 00:05:08,900 S3: those songs for them in different seasons of their lives. 82 00:05:08,900 --> 00:05:13,020 S3: So it's a very sweet thing. Music. Music is definitely powerful. 83 00:05:13,339 --> 00:05:15,940 S1: Now, since you have a new EP out, I want 84 00:05:15,980 --> 00:05:17,979 S1: to play some from that and I want to ask 85 00:05:17,980 --> 00:05:21,340 S1: you some some questions about life, because the last when 86 00:05:21,339 --> 00:05:25,180 S1: last we talked in ten years ago, you were not 87 00:05:25,180 --> 00:05:28,820 S1: in New York City, you were not working, you know, 88 00:05:28,900 --> 00:05:31,460 S1: at the church there, uh, in New York City. So 89 00:05:31,500 --> 00:05:32,380 S1: what happened? 90 00:05:33,220 --> 00:05:38,020 S3: What did happen? Oh my goodness, it's such a crazy adventure. I, um, 91 00:05:38,020 --> 00:05:41,420 S3: you know, I've always loved New York. Well, always. I've 92 00:05:41,420 --> 00:05:43,700 S3: loved New York since I've visited there the first time, 93 00:05:43,700 --> 00:05:47,539 S3: which was when I went to do the live from 94 00:05:47,540 --> 00:05:51,460 S3: the Lamb's Theater, which used to be a program that was, uh, 95 00:05:51,580 --> 00:05:55,370 S3: on the radio and, um, recorded in the heart of 96 00:05:55,370 --> 00:05:57,409 S3: New York City. So I think that was my first 97 00:05:57,450 --> 00:06:00,170 S3: year of traveling when I went to New York City 98 00:06:00,170 --> 00:06:02,210 S3: for the very first time, and I just thought, what 99 00:06:02,210 --> 00:06:05,690 S3: is this place? It is incredible. I might have to 100 00:06:05,730 --> 00:06:08,810 S3: move here one day. Um, but I also really wanted 101 00:06:08,810 --> 00:06:12,330 S3: to attend seminary. Um, that has always been a dream 102 00:06:12,330 --> 00:06:17,370 S3: of mine. And, um, just so happens that in New 103 00:06:17,370 --> 00:06:20,810 S3: York City there was seminary, and, uh, the late Doctor 104 00:06:20,810 --> 00:06:24,770 S3: Tim Keller was one of the professors there at seminary. 105 00:06:24,770 --> 00:06:28,490 S3: And so, um, as I sort of thought about moving, 106 00:06:28,529 --> 00:06:31,970 S3: thought really seriously about moving from Nashville to New York City, 107 00:06:32,290 --> 00:06:35,730 S3: I decided that I would go and I would enroll 108 00:06:36,130 --> 00:06:40,289 S3: there and in seminary and learn, um, from Doctor Tim 109 00:06:40,290 --> 00:06:43,690 S3: and just, um, see what happened next. So it was 110 00:06:43,690 --> 00:06:46,410 S3: it was quite the unexpected adventure. In fact, I really 111 00:06:46,410 --> 00:06:48,770 S3: didn't even believe it was going to happen. So many 112 00:06:48,770 --> 00:06:51,130 S3: people in my circles didn't know until a couple of 113 00:06:51,130 --> 00:06:53,529 S3: weeks before I left because I just thought, wait, Lord, 114 00:06:53,529 --> 00:06:56,450 S3: am I really about to do this? And the beautiful 115 00:06:56,450 --> 00:07:00,210 S3: part is, looking back, I just go, wow, you orchestrated 116 00:07:00,210 --> 00:07:03,890 S3: every moment of that and called me to New York City. 117 00:07:04,010 --> 00:07:06,089 S3: So it's been a very, very special time. 118 00:07:06,410 --> 00:07:10,370 S1: What did Doctor Keller's passing do to your heart? 119 00:07:11,810 --> 00:07:14,890 S3: Oh, man. You know, it was it was very happy. 120 00:07:14,930 --> 00:07:18,050 S3: It was very sad. Um, at that point, I had 121 00:07:18,050 --> 00:07:22,690 S3: been here for about four and a half, five years. 122 00:07:22,690 --> 00:07:26,650 S3: And so just for the whole Redeemer family, it was, 123 00:07:26,690 --> 00:07:30,690 S3: you know, obviously very heavy. Um, it was a very heavy, 124 00:07:30,690 --> 00:07:36,690 S3: long season losing him. Um, just the legacy that he 125 00:07:36,850 --> 00:07:40,690 S3: will leave or has left, I suppose I would say, um, 126 00:07:40,690 --> 00:07:43,930 S3: is just I can't even there aren't really words to 127 00:07:43,970 --> 00:07:47,610 S3: describe the impact that has had on me, but I, um, 128 00:07:47,650 --> 00:07:51,680 S3: was actually taking classes with him just a few months 129 00:07:51,680 --> 00:07:54,880 S3: before he passed away. And, you know, he was so 130 00:07:54,880 --> 00:07:59,000 S3: honest and so vulnerable about just, you know, facing death 131 00:07:59,000 --> 00:08:03,520 S3: and how he had worked through and walked on that journey. 132 00:08:03,680 --> 00:08:06,840 S3: And it gave all of us, his students, a lot 133 00:08:06,840 --> 00:08:10,320 S3: of hope. But I remember that just in that February, 134 00:08:10,320 --> 00:08:14,480 S3: before he died, um, I had to present a Bible 135 00:08:14,480 --> 00:08:18,960 S3: study in front of Doctor Tim Keller, and, uh. Wow. 136 00:08:19,000 --> 00:08:21,400 S3: I will never forget that. But but he was so 137 00:08:21,440 --> 00:08:25,520 S3: encouraging and so generous with his, with his words and 138 00:08:25,520 --> 00:08:30,360 S3: his compliments and obviously just gave great constructive feedback as well, 139 00:08:30,360 --> 00:08:32,720 S3: so that, you know, those are the things that I 140 00:08:32,760 --> 00:08:37,360 S3: will remember most about him, just from those recent memories of, 141 00:08:37,640 --> 00:08:40,280 S3: of getting to, to be in his classes and interact 142 00:08:40,280 --> 00:08:40,800 S3: with him. 143 00:08:41,320 --> 00:08:45,120 S1: That's when I mentioned his name. Or I see his image, 144 00:08:45,160 --> 00:08:47,480 S1: you know, or see a book on the shelf of him. I, 145 00:08:47,480 --> 00:08:52,480 S1: I just think, Oh, he was taken too soon. But 146 00:08:52,480 --> 00:08:56,599 S1: in God's economy, it's like I know that Romans 828 147 00:08:56,640 --> 00:08:59,080 S1: and I really believe that. And yet at the same time, 148 00:08:59,080 --> 00:09:02,040 S1: I can't help but think, you know, these different things. 149 00:09:02,240 --> 00:09:07,079 S1: And you go into seminary and becoming a seminarian and, uh, 150 00:09:07,240 --> 00:09:10,199 S1: with the teaching, when you were younger, you tried to 151 00:09:10,240 --> 00:09:14,160 S1: go into music education and music teaching, and that didn't 152 00:09:14,480 --> 00:09:18,240 S1: pan out necessarily. Uh, but aren't we glad? And and 153 00:09:18,280 --> 00:09:22,319 S1: I was just thinking today that those, those principles or 154 00:09:22,320 --> 00:09:25,320 S1: whoever were in charge of hiring a high school music 155 00:09:25,360 --> 00:09:29,000 S1: teacher who saw you and saw that you were blind 156 00:09:29,000 --> 00:09:32,160 S1: and wondered, oh, what? How is this going to work 157 00:09:32,160 --> 00:09:35,960 S1: out and said no to you? Uh, we've all benefited 158 00:09:35,960 --> 00:09:39,679 S1: from that because of the music that you've written and performed. 159 00:09:39,679 --> 00:09:44,120 S1: But just this morning, I thought those students, those young 160 00:09:44,160 --> 00:09:48,270 S1: high school kids, they missed out on a Really, really 161 00:09:48,270 --> 00:09:51,030 S1: great education from you, don't you think? 162 00:09:51,870 --> 00:09:54,870 S3: Well, maybe. But I also think the Lord knew that 163 00:09:54,870 --> 00:09:58,990 S3: my classroom management skills left a lot to be desired 164 00:09:58,990 --> 00:10:02,069 S3: because I just wanted to hang out with the students. So. But, 165 00:10:02,110 --> 00:10:04,589 S3: you know, truly, he has blessed me in so many ways. 166 00:10:04,590 --> 00:10:06,510 S3: I have gotten to teach. I actually got to teach 167 00:10:06,510 --> 00:10:10,270 S3: at my alma mater for about six years. Um, and, 168 00:10:10,429 --> 00:10:13,470 S3: you know, I get to teach, um, in various speaking 169 00:10:13,470 --> 00:10:14,790 S3: opportunities now. 170 00:10:14,950 --> 00:10:17,070 S1: And Belmont, you're talking about Belmont, right? 171 00:10:17,230 --> 00:10:20,990 S3: Belmont. Yes. I taught at Belmont for for six years. 172 00:10:21,030 --> 00:10:25,429 S3: And then, you know, I travel and and do Bible teaching, uh, 173 00:10:25,950 --> 00:10:29,630 S3: quite a bit now. And, um, also because I lead 174 00:10:29,630 --> 00:10:33,230 S3: our worship team and I also lead a lot of 175 00:10:33,230 --> 00:10:36,350 S3: our kind of mission, outward facing initiatives. I get to 176 00:10:36,390 --> 00:10:39,350 S3: teach a lot at church. So he kind of said, well, 177 00:10:39,350 --> 00:10:42,310 S3: I have had a different idea of how I would 178 00:10:42,309 --> 00:10:44,829 S3: have you teach. Yes, maybe not as a high school 179 00:10:44,830 --> 00:10:47,630 S3: music teacher, but in all kinds of other ways. So 180 00:10:47,670 --> 00:10:49,510 S3: he's he knows what he's doing. 181 00:10:49,710 --> 00:10:52,189 S1: Okay. That leads us into the first song we're going 182 00:10:52,230 --> 00:10:54,069 S1: to play, and I'm going to do that after the break. 183 00:10:54,350 --> 00:10:57,350 S1: Different Kind of Water is the song. It's the title 184 00:10:57,350 --> 00:10:59,670 S1: of the EP as well. There's a journal that goes 185 00:10:59,670 --> 00:11:01,829 S1: along with it, and I hope you don't mind me 186 00:11:01,870 --> 00:11:03,949 S1: saying this, because when we come back from the break, 187 00:11:03,990 --> 00:11:06,670 S1: I'm just going to play the song. But to me, 188 00:11:06,670 --> 00:11:10,829 S1: I hear a little nod to Bruce Hornsby in here, 189 00:11:11,070 --> 00:11:13,110 S1: and that's all I'm going to say. And when we 190 00:11:13,150 --> 00:11:16,230 S1: come back, see if see if you hear that from 191 00:11:16,230 --> 00:11:18,710 S1: the song Different Kind of Water, we have a link 192 00:11:18,710 --> 00:11:21,990 S1: at Chris Dot. You'll find out more about the new 193 00:11:21,990 --> 00:11:26,390 S1: EP and journal Different Kind of Water by Jenny Owens. 194 00:11:26,710 --> 00:11:29,190 S1: Find out more about her as well. A lot of 195 00:11:29,190 --> 00:11:31,990 S1: links that you can click there to find out about 196 00:11:31,990 --> 00:11:34,030 S1: her music and listen to it, and you're going to 197 00:11:34,030 --> 00:11:37,150 S1: hear it here at the Radio, Backyard Fence and Chris 198 00:11:37,190 --> 00:11:40,989 S1: Fabry for more straight ahead on Moody Radio. 199 00:11:51,470 --> 00:11:57,190 S2: Chasing dreams. Filling space. Tried it all. Nothing tastes I 200 00:11:57,230 --> 00:12:05,630 S2: just keep craving. Another rise to the top. Another high 201 00:12:06,030 --> 00:12:11,630 S2: what I want. My hands and knees are shaking. And 202 00:12:11,630 --> 00:12:17,510 S2: it's never, never enough, I'm finding. No matter what I try. 203 00:12:17,790 --> 00:12:24,750 S2: It won't satisfy me. How do you fill the heart? 204 00:12:25,350 --> 00:12:32,270 S2: All empty. What do you give us? Sold it all. Thirsty? 205 00:12:33,990 --> 00:12:37,590 S2: Come up. Try the fountain I can't seem to find. 206 00:12:37,630 --> 00:12:42,830 S2: Is a different kind of water. Different kind of water? 207 00:12:48,980 --> 00:12:53,820 S2: Searching high and low. For some life. For some hope. 208 00:12:54,020 --> 00:13:00,700 S2: Anything to keep me steady. I've done it all. I've 209 00:13:00,700 --> 00:13:04,460 S2: done my best. It's like I've got this treasure chest. 210 00:13:04,660 --> 00:13:12,220 S2: Nothing in it. But it's heavy. I feel the hardness. 211 00:13:12,300 --> 00:13:17,340 S2: All is empty. What do you give? Is old, is 212 00:13:17,540 --> 00:13:23,339 S2: always thirsty. Digging wells. I come up dry. Finding I 213 00:13:23,340 --> 00:13:26,420 S2: can't seem to find. Is a different kind of work. 214 00:13:27,420 --> 00:13:33,820 S2: A different kind of water. Some say it flows from 215 00:13:33,820 --> 00:13:38,980 S2: the river they call life. Some say it rolls like 216 00:13:38,980 --> 00:13:44,540 S2: the crashing ocean tides. All I know is I gotta 217 00:13:44,540 --> 00:13:52,780 S2: find it all. My heart is gonna die. How do 218 00:13:52,780 --> 00:14:02,460 S2: you feel? The heart. Why you give us all. How 219 00:14:02,460 --> 00:14:08,300 S2: you feel my heart. It's always empty. But you give 220 00:14:08,300 --> 00:14:13,460 S2: us all it all. Whispers. Deep digging wells that come 221 00:14:13,500 --> 00:14:17,219 S2: up dry. Fountain I can't seem to find. Is a 222 00:14:17,220 --> 00:14:22,820 S2: different kind of water. A different kind of water. Different 223 00:14:22,820 --> 00:14:26,820 S2: kind of work. Different kind of work. 224 00:14:29,780 --> 00:14:34,180 S1: Different kind of water. Jenny Owens. John. Chapter four. He 225 00:14:34,180 --> 00:14:36,420 S1: had to travel through Samaria. So he came to a 226 00:14:36,420 --> 00:14:39,700 S1: town of Samaria called Sychar, near the property that Jacob 227 00:14:39,700 --> 00:14:44,210 S1: had given his son Joseph. A woman came to draw water. 228 00:14:44,210 --> 00:14:48,130 S1: Give me a drink, Jesus said. And then it was 229 00:14:48,130 --> 00:14:51,770 S1: off and running from there. The conversation. Uh, and so 230 00:14:51,770 --> 00:14:55,650 S1: that's why that's what I intuit. You know, here's this 231 00:14:56,050 --> 00:15:00,490 S1: thirsty woman. Thirsty man. Jesus was thirsty, but he said, 232 00:15:00,610 --> 00:15:04,650 S1: I'll give you water that springs up this living water. 233 00:15:04,690 --> 00:15:07,210 S1: I want that kind of water. Is that where that 234 00:15:07,210 --> 00:15:08,170 S1: song comes from? 235 00:15:08,850 --> 00:15:11,330 S3: Oh, that is part of where it comes from. I 236 00:15:11,330 --> 00:15:15,210 S3: think also just in my life, there's always a longing, 237 00:15:15,650 --> 00:15:18,810 S3: you know, for the next thing, there's longing for the 238 00:15:18,850 --> 00:15:22,890 S3: dopamine hit and the satisfaction. And I living here in 239 00:15:22,890 --> 00:15:26,250 S3: New York, I see that quite a bit in, in, 240 00:15:26,290 --> 00:15:30,690 S3: you know, most people that I know, um, but but 241 00:15:30,690 --> 00:15:35,130 S3: nothing ever satisfies, uh, that longing. Right. And so it 242 00:15:35,130 --> 00:15:37,770 S3: reminds me of that C.S. Lewis quote that says, if 243 00:15:37,770 --> 00:15:40,650 S3: I find in myself desires which nothing in this world 244 00:15:40,650 --> 00:15:44,450 S3: can satisfy. The only logical explanation is that I was 245 00:15:44,450 --> 00:15:47,730 S3: made for another world. And so, yeah, it's we need 246 00:15:47,730 --> 00:15:53,410 S3: someone different. Something different than what our earthly pursuits can, can, 247 00:15:53,450 --> 00:15:55,570 S3: you know, satisfy in us. 248 00:15:55,810 --> 00:15:59,050 S1: And I've seen you talk about this new EP that 249 00:15:59,050 --> 00:16:02,250 S1: it is it's both for Christians, you know, to to 250 00:16:02,290 --> 00:16:04,170 S1: talk about this longing that we have and the way 251 00:16:04,170 --> 00:16:06,490 S1: that we'll go run and after other things that don't satisfy. 252 00:16:06,530 --> 00:16:10,730 S1: But it's also for people who don't haven't, haven't received Jesus, 253 00:16:10,730 --> 00:16:14,250 S1: don't know as much about him, uh, interested in him 254 00:16:14,250 --> 00:16:17,490 S1: or not interested in him to to open these kinds 255 00:16:17,490 --> 00:16:19,170 S1: of conversations. Right? 256 00:16:19,490 --> 00:16:22,690 S3: Yes. I hope and pray that every song on this 257 00:16:22,690 --> 00:16:28,250 S3: EP could be a conversation starter for us. Well, I 258 00:16:28,290 --> 00:16:31,610 S3: wrote them, you know, with my friends in mind, especially 259 00:16:31,610 --> 00:16:34,170 S3: here in New York. I have so many friends that, 260 00:16:34,650 --> 00:16:36,690 S3: you know, would kind of say, why? Why do I 261 00:16:36,690 --> 00:16:40,240 S3: even need to consider Jesus? Um, you know, that's just 262 00:16:40,280 --> 00:16:44,680 S3: sort of in the water here. And so these are 263 00:16:44,680 --> 00:16:48,600 S3: all conversations that I've had with them, um, or conversations 264 00:16:48,600 --> 00:16:50,440 S3: that I want to have with some of them. Just 265 00:16:50,440 --> 00:16:53,840 S3: about all of, you know, all of our life sort 266 00:16:53,840 --> 00:16:57,960 S3: of expectations, all of our, um, questions and our, our, 267 00:16:58,240 --> 00:17:01,120 S3: you know, quests for more. And so what what I 268 00:17:01,160 --> 00:17:04,119 S3: hope is that that everyone who kind of hears these 269 00:17:04,119 --> 00:17:07,280 S3: songs could consider maybe I could, you know, share this 270 00:17:07,280 --> 00:17:11,560 S3: song or at least share this conversation with someone that 271 00:17:11,560 --> 00:17:15,360 S3: I know who doesn't believe. Um, so so yeah, that 272 00:17:15,359 --> 00:17:20,080 S3: was definitely a core, um, goal for me on on 273 00:17:20,240 --> 00:17:20,919 S3: this EP. 274 00:17:21,680 --> 00:17:24,480 S1: There are five songs on there, and you've written a journal, 275 00:17:24,520 --> 00:17:26,760 S1: you know, where it tells you who plays bass and 276 00:17:26,760 --> 00:17:29,800 S1: who plays lead guitar and keyboards and all that, but 277 00:17:29,800 --> 00:17:33,040 S1: it's also a journal because people don't buy CDs anymore. 278 00:17:33,040 --> 00:17:35,160 S1: They go to the stream and they get that. So 279 00:17:35,160 --> 00:17:39,959 S1: you created this, um, you know, this extra thing to 280 00:17:40,000 --> 00:17:41,240 S1: go along with it, right? 281 00:17:41,720 --> 00:17:44,960 S3: Yeah. It's like a little book that does have all 282 00:17:45,000 --> 00:17:47,680 S3: of the, uh, discography and all of that info, but 283 00:17:47,680 --> 00:17:50,920 S3: it also has the stories behind the songs and what 284 00:17:50,920 --> 00:17:56,879 S3: motivated them and scriptures that were really important in that process. And, um, 285 00:17:57,000 --> 00:18:00,000 S3: it also has space for you to write and reflect 286 00:18:00,000 --> 00:18:02,520 S3: as you listen to the song. So it's a little 287 00:18:02,560 --> 00:18:05,960 S3: bit of a 3 in 1 music journal and, uh, 288 00:18:05,960 --> 00:18:10,560 S3: you know, little book with, with important info and devotional time. 289 00:18:10,880 --> 00:18:15,760 S1: Yeah. And we have a link right there, Chris. Oh, okay. 290 00:18:15,800 --> 00:18:19,520 S1: Talk about the, uh, the craving and the longing and 291 00:18:19,640 --> 00:18:24,840 S1: wanting satisfaction and always being thirsty. What is, uh. I 292 00:18:24,880 --> 00:18:27,320 S1: didn't ask you if I. If I could ask this question. 293 00:18:27,320 --> 00:18:29,879 S1: If you don't want me to tell me to ask 294 00:18:29,880 --> 00:18:34,160 S1: something else. Your singleness. Uh, I assume you're still single. 295 00:18:34,160 --> 00:18:34,960 S1: Is that right? 296 00:18:35,400 --> 00:18:40,990 S3: I am still single. Yep. Um, yeah. You know, and and, uh. Well, gosh, 297 00:18:41,030 --> 00:18:43,190 S3: it's it's kind of scary to talk about this on 298 00:18:43,190 --> 00:18:45,750 S3: radio just because you just never know what might happen. 299 00:18:46,030 --> 00:18:49,469 S3: But but sure, like that is, you know, that is 300 00:18:49,470 --> 00:18:52,270 S3: a void or I don't know if it's even a 301 00:18:52,310 --> 00:18:54,550 S3: void at this point, because the Lord always fills my 302 00:18:54,550 --> 00:18:57,189 S3: life with so many things. But yeah, I didn't ever 303 00:18:57,190 --> 00:19:02,189 S3: think I would be single, um, all, all my life 304 00:19:02,190 --> 00:19:06,590 S3: or for this long. Uh, but here we are. And, um, 305 00:19:06,630 --> 00:19:09,470 S3: so yeah, that has been a longing that I have, 306 00:19:09,510 --> 00:19:12,670 S3: you know, given to the Lord again and again. Uh, 307 00:19:12,670 --> 00:19:15,870 S3: but he has just graciously given me, you know, plenty 308 00:19:15,869 --> 00:19:22,070 S3: of family and friends and, um, just lots of stuff 309 00:19:22,070 --> 00:19:23,989 S3: to do. I'm not really sure where I'd fit a 310 00:19:23,990 --> 00:19:27,109 S3: husband at this point. There's really not time, but I'm 311 00:19:27,109 --> 00:19:29,590 S3: sure if we needed to arrange that, the Lord would 312 00:19:29,590 --> 00:19:32,070 S3: help me figure it out. But he you know, he. 313 00:19:32,109 --> 00:19:35,950 S3: I love how in I think Mark and maybe it's 314 00:19:35,950 --> 00:19:38,429 S3: also in Luke, but he talks about that. You know 315 00:19:38,750 --> 00:19:41,270 S3: what you've lost, like when you were in his family, 316 00:19:41,270 --> 00:19:43,710 S3: when you are in his kingdom, he will he will 317 00:19:43,710 --> 00:19:46,390 S3: give you a hundredfold even in this lifetime of that. 318 00:19:46,390 --> 00:19:49,190 S3: And I do feel like he has been so wonderful 319 00:19:49,190 --> 00:19:51,470 S3: to just bless me with great community. 320 00:19:52,030 --> 00:19:55,189 S1: So the longing is still there, the desire is still there. 321 00:19:55,190 --> 00:20:00,430 S1: But you're, you're you're trusting in a good God who 322 00:20:00,430 --> 00:20:03,550 S1: has good things for you. You're not. It's not like 323 00:20:03,590 --> 00:20:06,510 S1: I never have that feeling, you know that that feeling 324 00:20:06,510 --> 00:20:10,270 S1: is is here and you don't try to push it down, 325 00:20:10,470 --> 00:20:13,350 S1: but at the same time you've made peace with it. 326 00:20:13,390 --> 00:20:14,189 S1: It sounds like. 327 00:20:14,630 --> 00:20:19,510 S3: Absolutely the longing is present, but also all the gifts 328 00:20:19,510 --> 00:20:22,510 S3: that God has given me and just the opportunities that 329 00:20:22,510 --> 00:20:25,710 S3: he's given me. So I kind of, you know, listened 330 00:20:25,710 --> 00:20:28,310 S3: to the longing and know it's there and acknowledge it, 331 00:20:28,310 --> 00:20:32,390 S3: but also just, you know, get back to work because 332 00:20:32,390 --> 00:20:35,739 S3: there's always lots that, you know, he's he's got in 333 00:20:35,740 --> 00:20:39,500 S3: front of me to do so. Both. Both can co-exist. 334 00:20:40,020 --> 00:20:43,379 S1: I noticed on one video that I saw, you're playing 335 00:20:43,380 --> 00:20:46,580 S1: the piano and you had a ring on your middle finger. 336 00:20:46,580 --> 00:20:48,940 S1: I think it was of your right hand. Is that 337 00:20:49,060 --> 00:20:50,940 S1: you still have that? You still wear that? 338 00:20:51,260 --> 00:20:55,060 S3: I do, yeah. I think that was. Well, it depends 339 00:20:55,060 --> 00:20:57,540 S3: on which video it was, but I have a ring 340 00:20:57,580 --> 00:21:02,100 S3: from my mom that she gave me for, um, graduation 341 00:21:02,300 --> 00:21:04,140 S3: from seminary, and it was a ring that she had 342 00:21:04,140 --> 00:21:05,899 S3: had for a long time. So that was probably the 343 00:21:05,900 --> 00:21:08,139 S3: ring that you saw. Yeah. 344 00:21:08,820 --> 00:21:13,060 S1: Um, how does your, your parents feel about your, the 345 00:21:13,060 --> 00:21:15,979 S1: career that, you know, only it's only been 30 years 346 00:21:15,980 --> 00:21:21,220 S1: now with and what they expected to happen and what 347 00:21:21,220 --> 00:21:24,460 S1: was going to happen in little Jenny's life and what 348 00:21:24,460 --> 00:21:26,500 S1: has happened. What do they think? 349 00:21:27,140 --> 00:21:30,140 S3: You know, I'm not really sure what they think. They are, uh, 350 00:21:30,180 --> 00:21:35,380 S3: great about being encouraging and my mom. I actually did 351 00:21:35,420 --> 00:21:39,820 S3: a several release shows for this new EP, and so 352 00:21:39,820 --> 00:21:43,699 S3: my mom made it up to Nashville to one of 353 00:21:43,700 --> 00:21:46,020 S3: those shows, which was really great. I don't think she's 354 00:21:46,020 --> 00:21:48,460 S3: been to Nashville since, you know, before I left, so 355 00:21:48,500 --> 00:21:51,619 S3: at least ten years. And, uh, but she's just always 356 00:21:51,660 --> 00:21:55,660 S3: a cheerleader and an encourager. And, you know, um, she 357 00:21:55,700 --> 00:21:57,979 S3: listens to the radio and then, you know, calls me 358 00:21:57,980 --> 00:22:00,020 S3: and tells me what kinds of songs she thinks I 359 00:22:00,020 --> 00:22:02,460 S3: should do next based on what she's hearing or what 360 00:22:02,500 --> 00:22:05,220 S3: songs I definitely shouldn't do because these don't work and 361 00:22:05,220 --> 00:22:07,980 S3: that I should make sure to, you know, enunciate my 362 00:22:08,220 --> 00:22:11,100 S3: lyrics because many people don't have good diction. So, you know, 363 00:22:11,140 --> 00:22:14,580 S3: I get lots of thoughtful feedback in that way, but, um, 364 00:22:14,580 --> 00:22:17,020 S3: I think they've held it with a pretty open hand 365 00:22:17,020 --> 00:22:20,780 S3: and just kind of said, well, you know, here God 366 00:22:20,820 --> 00:22:24,500 S3: has her and she's doing her thing. So yes, she's 367 00:22:24,859 --> 00:22:26,300 S3: always supportive. Yeah. 368 00:22:26,340 --> 00:22:30,460 S1: Okay. So who helped name me a couple of people. Two, three, 369 00:22:30,570 --> 00:22:33,730 S1: four who helped Jenny Owens become Jenny Owens. 370 00:22:35,210 --> 00:22:41,610 S3: Oh my goodness. Uh, wow. Let's see. Uh, dead or alive? Uh, 371 00:22:41,930 --> 00:22:46,690 S3: are we talking. Characters? Are we talking, like, whatever. 372 00:22:46,690 --> 00:22:47,970 S1: Whatever comes to your mind? 373 00:22:49,130 --> 00:22:54,330 S3: Oh, man. Well, um. Uh, the words of Jesus and 374 00:22:54,330 --> 00:22:57,850 S3: the words of Paul, um, help me gain a heart 375 00:22:57,850 --> 00:23:01,370 S3: of wisdom. Actually, all of Scripture does, but I would 376 00:23:01,369 --> 00:23:04,889 S3: say definitely like the book of Philippians in Paul's letter 377 00:23:04,890 --> 00:23:08,570 S3: from prison to the Philippians, I is just a a 378 00:23:08,730 --> 00:23:13,970 S3: pillar for me, um, constantly and just just being encouraged 379 00:23:13,970 --> 00:23:17,649 S3: and and stilling and quieting my heart. Uh, in the 380 00:23:17,650 --> 00:23:21,369 S3: midst of a what can be a rather chaotic life. Um, 381 00:23:21,369 --> 00:23:24,570 S3: but there were some, aside from my mom, who was 382 00:23:24,570 --> 00:23:27,330 S3: quite a prayer warrior and just, you know, always encouraged 383 00:23:27,330 --> 00:23:31,570 S3: me to, um, not make excuses and work hard and 384 00:23:31,570 --> 00:23:35,370 S3: do the next thing. Um, I would say she she 385 00:23:35,410 --> 00:23:40,170 S3: has always been a great encourager, um, as have several 386 00:23:40,170 --> 00:23:45,770 S3: friends of hers from from my growing up years. Um, 387 00:23:45,810 --> 00:23:49,850 S3: so have been very thankful for, um, for my mom 388 00:23:49,850 --> 00:23:55,330 S3: and just my community back in Jackson. Uh, but in Nashville, um, 389 00:23:56,050 --> 00:23:58,850 S3: there was a guy named Michael Purrier who was my 390 00:23:58,850 --> 00:24:03,050 S3: first publisher. And I remember when I first met with Michael, 391 00:24:03,050 --> 00:24:09,050 S3: I had been, uh, interviewing for teaching positions. And, um, 392 00:24:09,090 --> 00:24:11,290 S3: I always would debate. Do I let them know that 393 00:24:11,290 --> 00:24:14,050 S3: I can't see before I go in for the interview? 394 00:24:14,050 --> 00:24:16,090 S3: Or do I just wait and let them be surprised? 395 00:24:16,090 --> 00:24:18,169 S3: And so when I went to meet with Michael, I 396 00:24:18,170 --> 00:24:21,290 S3: had that same kind of concern of, you know, should 397 00:24:21,290 --> 00:24:24,410 S3: he know ahead of time? And I didn't tell him. 398 00:24:24,410 --> 00:24:27,050 S3: And I showed up and met him and he was 399 00:24:27,050 --> 00:24:31,129 S3: just delightful and, you know, calm and cool as a cucumber. 400 00:24:31,170 --> 00:24:34,770 S3: And we chatted and he just said, you know, I'd 401 00:24:34,770 --> 00:24:39,050 S3: love for us to start working together and see what happens. And, um, 402 00:24:39,490 --> 00:24:42,330 S3: that was, you know, we worked together for the first 403 00:24:42,330 --> 00:24:44,690 S3: eight years of my career, and he's the one who 404 00:24:44,690 --> 00:24:48,010 S3: introduced me to Michael W Smith and Michael W Smith 405 00:24:48,010 --> 00:24:51,649 S3: would be another of my mentors and just folks who 406 00:24:51,890 --> 00:24:56,450 S3: taught me a good bit about the business. Yes, definitely. So. Well, um, 407 00:24:56,490 --> 00:24:58,090 S3: coming up on a segment. 408 00:24:58,930 --> 00:25:03,050 S1: Tony Wood and Cindy Morgan wrote, co-wrote with you a 409 00:25:03,170 --> 00:25:06,530 S1: song that I want to play. Yeah. And so I 410 00:25:06,530 --> 00:25:09,250 S1: want folks to hear that, uh, if you don't know 411 00:25:09,250 --> 00:25:12,330 S1: that voice, it's Jenny Owens. She has a new EP 412 00:25:12,369 --> 00:25:15,410 S1: in journal, Different Kind of Water. We're going to hear 413 00:25:15,410 --> 00:25:18,530 S1: more music from that EP coming up straight ahead. And 414 00:25:18,530 --> 00:25:25,010 S1: if you want to talk with her. (877) 548-3675 more straight 415 00:25:25,010 --> 00:25:26,490 S1: ahead on Moody Radio. 416 00:25:28,880 --> 00:25:32,600 S2: I can't seem to find a different kind of water, 417 00:25:33,119 --> 00:25:39,520 S2: a different kind of water. Some say it flows from 418 00:25:39,520 --> 00:25:44,679 S2: a river they call life. Some say it rolls like 419 00:25:44,680 --> 00:25:50,080 S2: the crashing ocean tides. All I know is I've gotta 420 00:25:50,080 --> 00:25:53,119 S2: find it on. My heart is gonna die. 421 00:26:04,640 --> 00:26:07,199 S1: There's somebody who needs to hear this song from the 422 00:26:07,200 --> 00:26:11,680 S1: new EP, Different Kind of Water. Here again is Ginny Owens. 423 00:26:13,520 --> 00:26:17,680 S4: When you got the thing you wished for. And it's 424 00:26:17,680 --> 00:26:22,080 S4: not what you thought it'd be. Now your dreams in 425 00:26:22,080 --> 00:26:28,119 S4: pieces on the floor. And the emptiness cuts deep when 426 00:26:28,119 --> 00:26:34,159 S4: the weight of disappointment feels more than you can bear. 427 00:26:34,840 --> 00:26:40,240 S4: He's not put off by your anger. God will meet 428 00:26:40,240 --> 00:26:46,880 S4: you there. When you feel like all the best things. 429 00:26:47,080 --> 00:26:53,880 S4: Always go to someone else. While your prayers go unanswered 430 00:26:54,200 --> 00:27:01,600 S4: and every joys withheld. You compare yourself to others and 431 00:27:01,600 --> 00:27:07,880 S4: it all feels so unfair. Do you think he doesn't notice? 432 00:27:08,720 --> 00:27:15,320 S4: God will meet you there and you may feel like 433 00:27:15,359 --> 00:27:20,920 S4: he's silent or he's looked the other way. But he 434 00:27:20,920 --> 00:27:25,270 S4: can take your doubts and questions. You can hand. 435 00:27:25,270 --> 00:27:25,470 S2: The. 436 00:27:25,470 --> 00:27:31,790 S4: Wounded faith in the midnight. All you're waiting in the 437 00:27:31,790 --> 00:27:39,710 S4: depth of your despair. He's working something beautiful. God will 438 00:27:39,710 --> 00:27:50,470 S4: meet you there. When you hide behind the brave face. 439 00:27:50,630 --> 00:27:55,390 S4: But your heart's been torn in two. Cause all the 440 00:27:55,390 --> 00:28:01,830 S4: guilt of your mistakes. Is all but drowning you. You 441 00:28:01,830 --> 00:28:07,830 S4: wanna cry to heaven. But Shame's got you so scared. 442 00:28:08,510 --> 00:28:13,750 S4: He's not afraid of where you've been. God will meet 443 00:28:13,750 --> 00:28:17,429 S4: you there. And you may. 444 00:28:17,430 --> 00:28:23,350 S2: Feel like he's silent. Or his look the other way, 445 00:28:24,030 --> 00:28:28,310 S2: but he can take your doubts and questions. He can 446 00:28:28,310 --> 00:28:34,189 S2: handle a wounded faith in the midnight of your waiting. 447 00:28:34,750 --> 00:28:41,430 S2: In the depth of your despair. He's working something beautiful. 448 00:28:42,230 --> 00:28:49,070 S2: God will meet you there in your questions, there, in 449 00:28:49,070 --> 00:28:57,110 S2: your aching, there in your crying, there in your breaking. 450 00:28:57,230 --> 00:29:05,390 S2: You will not forgot. You are not unknown. He defeated 451 00:29:05,390 --> 00:29:13,550 S2: darkness so you'd never be alone. You may feel like 452 00:29:13,590 --> 00:29:15,030 S2: he's silent. 453 00:29:15,270 --> 00:29:15,950 S5: Or he's. 454 00:29:15,950 --> 00:29:20,790 S2: Looked the other way. But he can take your doubts 455 00:29:20,790 --> 00:29:27,300 S2: and questions he can handle. Wounded faith in the midnight 456 00:29:27,340 --> 00:29:33,580 S2: of your waiting. In the depth of your despair. He's 457 00:29:33,580 --> 00:29:42,900 S2: working something beautiful. God will meet you there. So tell 458 00:29:42,900 --> 00:29:48,220 S2: him that you need him. He's closer than a prayer. 459 00:29:50,780 --> 00:29:58,660 S2: He's working something beautiful. God will meet you there. 460 00:30:02,300 --> 00:30:06,060 S1: I'm always. I'm always looking for songs like that to play. 461 00:30:06,100 --> 00:30:07,740 S1: I'll play a little bit of it and then jump in. 462 00:30:07,780 --> 00:30:10,820 S1: It's like, I can't stop this. I've got to hear 463 00:30:10,820 --> 00:30:13,060 S1: the whole thing. And there's somebody driving down the road 464 00:30:13,060 --> 00:30:16,260 S1: right now, and you're listening to that. And maybe you 465 00:30:16,260 --> 00:30:18,900 S1: had to pull over because it's like that is exact. 466 00:30:18,940 --> 00:30:22,300 S1: It reminds me of Laura's stories. Blessing's song. You know, 467 00:30:22,340 --> 00:30:25,820 S1: it's the the hard stuff that comes into our lives. 468 00:30:25,820 --> 00:30:30,300 S1: We think this is God abandoning us. And it's in 469 00:30:30,300 --> 00:30:34,219 S1: the hard stuff that we realize. He's been here all along. 470 00:30:34,780 --> 00:30:37,740 S1: And you mentioned the the line that gets me most 471 00:30:37,740 --> 00:30:40,500 S1: in there is when the weight of disappointment feels more 472 00:30:40,500 --> 00:30:44,420 S1: than you can bear. He's not put off by your anger. 473 00:30:44,620 --> 00:30:47,860 S1: God will meet you there. And I think of the Psalms, Jenny. 474 00:30:48,140 --> 00:30:51,460 S1: The Psalms are filled with this. Where in the world 475 00:30:51,460 --> 00:30:54,980 S1: are you? And why have you done this? And then usually, 476 00:30:54,980 --> 00:30:57,780 S1: not always, but usually they come back toward the end 477 00:30:57,780 --> 00:30:59,620 S1: and say, and yet my hope is in you. Where 478 00:30:59,620 --> 00:31:02,380 S1: am I? Where am I going to go other than you? Right. 479 00:31:02,420 --> 00:31:06,420 S3: Exactly. Yes. Yes, exactly. There's, you know, one of the 480 00:31:06,420 --> 00:31:09,780 S3: beautiful things that the Psalmists often do is sing to 481 00:31:09,820 --> 00:31:13,300 S3: their own souls, you know. You know, they they pour 482 00:31:13,300 --> 00:31:16,420 S3: out their misery to God, but then they sing hope 483 00:31:16,420 --> 00:31:19,690 S3: to their own souls. And so God will meet you 484 00:31:19,690 --> 00:31:21,850 S3: there as essentially a song of singing hope to our 485 00:31:21,850 --> 00:31:24,170 S3: own souls when we need it most. 486 00:31:24,490 --> 00:31:26,530 S1: And I think that anger that you, that you thought 487 00:31:26,570 --> 00:31:28,890 S1: we were so afraid of that. Well, I can't be 488 00:31:28,930 --> 00:31:32,170 S1: angry at God. I can't. It's like it's your disappointment. 489 00:31:32,170 --> 00:31:34,050 S1: It's your like, I thought it was going to be 490 00:31:34,050 --> 00:31:36,370 S1: like this. And I know that's, you know, my my 491 00:31:36,370 --> 00:31:39,090 S1: view of it. You know, I made a bargain with 492 00:31:39,090 --> 00:31:41,850 S1: God that he didn't sign off on, you know, because 493 00:31:41,850 --> 00:31:43,450 S1: I thought I was going to turn out this way. 494 00:31:43,690 --> 00:31:47,530 S1: And it's like, no, it's it's your anger. It's your 495 00:31:47,530 --> 00:31:52,530 S1: frustration that will either send you away from him or 496 00:31:52,570 --> 00:31:54,850 S1: send you running toward him. I think. 497 00:31:55,410 --> 00:31:58,290 S3: Absolutely. And I think if we will go to him 498 00:31:58,290 --> 00:32:02,690 S3: quickly with it, then he can carry it. He can 499 00:32:02,810 --> 00:32:06,450 S3: even remove it so that, um, so that it doesn't 500 00:32:06,490 --> 00:32:10,250 S3: turn into bitterness for us, you know, so I think, um, 501 00:32:10,530 --> 00:32:13,090 S3: God is is so gracious when we pour out our 502 00:32:13,090 --> 00:32:16,050 S3: hearts to him to begin to, uh, you know, by 503 00:32:16,050 --> 00:32:20,250 S3: the power of his spirit, give us perspective, give us insight, 504 00:32:20,250 --> 00:32:23,890 S3: whether it's just through His Word and through the things 505 00:32:23,890 --> 00:32:27,170 S3: that he speaks to us, or whether it's through other people, uh, 506 00:32:27,170 --> 00:32:30,570 S3: that he sends our way. But I often feel that 507 00:32:30,570 --> 00:32:32,410 S3: when I've poured out my heart to God, you know, 508 00:32:32,410 --> 00:32:35,130 S3: because he he doesn't want us to be bitter. Um, 509 00:32:35,170 --> 00:32:37,130 S3: so he he wants to hear it, and then he 510 00:32:37,130 --> 00:32:40,050 S3: wants to take it and do something with it. You know, 511 00:32:40,090 --> 00:32:43,410 S3: he wants to change us, uh, in light of what 512 00:32:43,410 --> 00:32:44,650 S3: we're experiencing. 513 00:32:45,130 --> 00:32:49,850 S1: And transform all of that, you know, and not necessarily, 514 00:32:49,890 --> 00:32:52,610 S1: you know, you mentioned the longing, your singleness. You love 515 00:32:52,610 --> 00:32:55,570 S1: to be married. Uh, that was a desire that you 516 00:32:55,570 --> 00:32:58,209 S1: had for a long time. But God has used your 517 00:32:58,210 --> 00:33:01,730 S1: singleness and the and that longing in a way to 518 00:33:01,770 --> 00:33:06,330 S1: deepen the your your craft, your music, your art, hasn't he? 519 00:33:06,970 --> 00:33:12,650 S3: Absolutely, absolutely. Well, my singleness and also just my blindness. Um, 520 00:33:12,690 --> 00:33:13,290 S3: you know. 521 00:33:13,770 --> 00:33:15,890 S1: When there's that bit different. 522 00:33:16,360 --> 00:33:19,120 S3: There's that whole thing, you know, when you're different, when 523 00:33:19,120 --> 00:33:22,640 S3: you have something that that sort of separates you from 524 00:33:22,640 --> 00:33:25,760 S3: others in your space every day, you sort of look 525 00:33:25,760 --> 00:33:29,360 S3: at the world a bit differently. And so, um, you know, 526 00:33:29,400 --> 00:33:32,680 S3: I remember hearing look. Exactly. 527 00:33:32,720 --> 00:33:35,200 S1: You just use that. And you said, I saw you 528 00:33:35,240 --> 00:33:36,920 S1: say this. Sorry to interrupt you, but I was I'm 529 00:33:36,920 --> 00:33:40,240 S1: so excited about this because you said it growing up. 530 00:33:40,240 --> 00:33:43,800 S1: And even now, it's not necessarily the disability. It's the 531 00:33:43,800 --> 00:33:48,440 S1: way people treat you and treat your disability. Is that true? 532 00:33:48,920 --> 00:33:52,160 S3: Absolutely. Yeah. The disability is fine. It's not a problem. 533 00:33:52,160 --> 00:33:54,360 S3: I'm quite used to it by now, but it's always 534 00:33:54,360 --> 00:33:57,800 S3: the way that folks react to it. Um, that can 535 00:33:57,800 --> 00:34:01,640 S3: be the the hindrance. And, you know, just sometimes you think, 536 00:34:01,680 --> 00:34:04,240 S3: oh gosh, I got to go out into the world and, 537 00:34:04,480 --> 00:34:06,680 S3: you know, tell everyone, I promise I'm okay. It's you 538 00:34:06,680 --> 00:34:09,600 S3: don't have to be nervous. You know? I'm I'm, I'm 539 00:34:09,600 --> 00:34:12,000 S3: I'm fine, and I'm not scary, and I'm not going 540 00:34:12,000 --> 00:34:15,600 S3: to eat you. So, uh, you know, lots of things 541 00:34:15,600 --> 00:34:18,640 S3: that that you get to tell the world when you 542 00:34:18,640 --> 00:34:21,359 S3: when you have a disability or just anything that makes 543 00:34:21,360 --> 00:34:22,120 S3: you different. 544 00:34:22,480 --> 00:34:25,680 S1: Yeah, but New York City, it's like I could see 545 00:34:25,760 --> 00:34:28,719 S1: in Jackson and maybe even in Nashville, though Nashville is 546 00:34:28,719 --> 00:34:32,560 S1: just so, so big now. New York City and and 547 00:34:32,560 --> 00:34:36,000 S1: making your way around that place that just I couldn't 548 00:34:36,040 --> 00:34:39,640 S1: I couldn't do that myself. You know, if I had somebody, uh, 549 00:34:39,760 --> 00:34:41,080 S1: guiding me every day. 550 00:34:42,120 --> 00:34:45,440 S3: Well, you know, funnily enough, New York City is, uh, 551 00:34:45,440 --> 00:34:48,680 S3: laid out in a grid pattern, at least the, um, 552 00:34:49,080 --> 00:34:51,440 S3: sort of, you know, middle to the top of the island. 553 00:34:51,440 --> 00:34:55,399 S3: So it's actually pretty easy to navigate. Um, it's it's 554 00:34:55,400 --> 00:34:59,240 S3: not uncrowded by any stretch, but, you know, I can 555 00:34:59,400 --> 00:35:01,879 S3: I can kind of remember where I'm going because everything's 556 00:35:01,880 --> 00:35:04,239 S3: laid out in the, in a grid. And so the 557 00:35:04,239 --> 00:35:06,719 S3: streets go east and west and the avenues go north 558 00:35:06,719 --> 00:35:09,640 S3: and south, and, you know, I can do that. Yes. 559 00:35:09,880 --> 00:35:12,120 S1: Has anybody ever treated you, you know, the the the 560 00:35:12,160 --> 00:35:15,080 S1: way people view you as the is the hard thing. 561 00:35:15,680 --> 00:35:18,680 S1: Has anyone? Well, you mentioned Michael a little bit ago 562 00:35:18,680 --> 00:35:21,920 S1: and how he treated. How kind he was and didn't 563 00:35:21,920 --> 00:35:24,719 S1: let the disability get between you. But has there been 564 00:35:24,719 --> 00:35:27,960 S1: anybody else that comes to mind, a story that you 565 00:35:27,960 --> 00:35:30,279 S1: can tell us of? This is how I want to 566 00:35:30,280 --> 00:35:33,960 S1: be treated. As someone who lives in a sighted world 567 00:35:33,960 --> 00:35:35,360 S1: who's not sighted. 568 00:35:36,160 --> 00:35:38,640 S3: Oh, wow. Well, I have to say, one of the 569 00:35:38,640 --> 00:35:42,200 S3: sweet things about working in music is that, uh, music 570 00:35:42,200 --> 00:35:46,200 S3: folks have never treated me like blindness was a disability. 571 00:35:46,239 --> 00:35:48,520 S3: They're kind of like, hey, what can you do? And, 572 00:35:48,560 --> 00:35:50,560 S3: you know, if I can prove myself to them, then 573 00:35:50,560 --> 00:35:53,799 S3: they're they're in, and we're good. We're friends. So that 574 00:35:53,800 --> 00:35:57,440 S3: has been my experience since day one of, uh, you know, 575 00:35:57,480 --> 00:36:01,359 S3: creating music. So that's a tremendous blessing. But, uh, you 576 00:36:01,360 --> 00:36:06,080 S3: mentioned Cindy Morgan earlier, and Cindy was my first roommate 577 00:36:06,120 --> 00:36:10,640 S3: on tour, um, when we did the night in Rocketown tours. Um, 578 00:36:10,960 --> 00:36:13,509 S3: and Cindy is just one of those folks that I mean, 579 00:36:13,550 --> 00:36:17,509 S3: we just went deeper really quick. And, uh, she's just 580 00:36:17,510 --> 00:36:22,310 S3: always been a not only a mentor, but a dear friend. And, um, 581 00:36:22,350 --> 00:36:24,630 S3: you know, we were we were really just instant friends. 582 00:36:24,630 --> 00:36:27,430 S3: And even now, if we haven't talked for, you know, 583 00:36:27,469 --> 00:36:30,070 S3: quite a long time, many months, we can just jump 584 00:36:30,070 --> 00:36:32,950 S3: on the phone and pick up right where we left off. Um, 585 00:36:32,950 --> 00:36:36,470 S3: so I think that's the thing about, um, you know, 586 00:36:36,510 --> 00:36:41,509 S3: having a difference or a disability, like, folks don't necessarily 587 00:36:41,830 --> 00:36:44,910 S3: always need help. I mean, sometimes help is super appreciated, 588 00:36:44,910 --> 00:36:49,069 S3: but really, what we all need is friendship, right? And connection. 589 00:36:49,070 --> 00:36:52,030 S3: And so, um, a lot of times at church, um, 590 00:36:52,030 --> 00:36:54,069 S3: you know, folks will just be like, hey, Jenny, do 591 00:36:54,070 --> 00:36:56,109 S3: you need anything? And I'm like, well, no, how are 592 00:36:56,110 --> 00:36:59,630 S3: you today? Like, I need a conversation. Let's have a conversation. 593 00:36:59,630 --> 00:37:03,029 S3: Let's let's talk like friends talk and see if we 594 00:37:03,030 --> 00:37:05,310 S3: can get there. So that's that's an important thing for 595 00:37:05,310 --> 00:37:06,470 S3: folks to remember too. 596 00:37:06,469 --> 00:37:10,270 S1: I think Jenny Owens is with us today. The new EP, 597 00:37:10,630 --> 00:37:13,870 S1: I you know, you can do this on wherever you 598 00:37:13,910 --> 00:37:16,830 S1: stream your music, but I say get the EP and 599 00:37:16,830 --> 00:37:19,509 S1: the Journal of Different Kind of Water. So you've heard 600 00:37:19,510 --> 00:37:23,390 S1: that song. You've heard God Will meet you there. Uh, 601 00:37:23,390 --> 00:37:25,270 S1: here's a little bit of give it away as we 602 00:37:25,270 --> 00:37:27,109 S1: go to a break, and we'll come back and hear 603 00:37:27,110 --> 00:37:30,469 S1: more music from Jenny today at the radio backyard fence. 604 00:37:30,510 --> 00:37:31,750 S1: Go to Chris Farrell's. 605 00:37:34,070 --> 00:37:39,669 S2: Always be the friend you want to make. If you 606 00:37:39,710 --> 00:37:45,790 S2: want to be great, don't chase fame. You will find 607 00:37:45,790 --> 00:37:52,029 S2: your life when you give it away. Give it away. 608 00:37:53,150 --> 00:37:58,629 S2: Love like there's no tomorrow. Live like your time is borrowed. 609 00:37:58,670 --> 00:37:59,830 S2: Lend like. 610 00:37:59,830 --> 00:38:00,150 S6: It's. 611 00:38:06,510 --> 00:38:09,379 S1: So excited to have Jenny Owens on the program today. 612 00:38:09,420 --> 00:38:12,260 S1: Different Kind of Water, the new EP with five songs, 613 00:38:12,260 --> 00:38:15,020 S1: and the Journal. You got to have it. Just go 614 00:38:15,020 --> 00:38:20,219 S1: to Chris favorite. I have so many questions. Um, I 615 00:38:20,219 --> 00:38:22,540 S1: know that you've written I think you've written like three 616 00:38:22,580 --> 00:38:26,460 S1: books so far, and you're working on one that's going 617 00:38:26,500 --> 00:38:30,900 S1: to come out about this time next year about compassion, 618 00:38:31,100 --> 00:38:33,259 S1: and you're working with a little publisher with the name 619 00:38:33,260 --> 00:38:35,700 S1: of Moody at the front of it. I'm looking forward 620 00:38:35,700 --> 00:38:40,020 S1: to this. Yeah. What's that one? Courageous compassion. Is that 621 00:38:40,020 --> 00:38:40,339 S1: the title. 622 00:38:40,380 --> 00:38:45,380 S3: Courageous Compassion Reclaiming Christ's call to do justice and love mercy. So, 623 00:38:45,420 --> 00:38:47,379 S3: you know, what does that mean? We talk about that. 624 00:38:47,380 --> 00:38:50,860 S3: We hear it thrown around so much, you know, do justice, love, mercy. 625 00:38:50,860 --> 00:38:54,259 S3: So I hope to really unpack in a very practical 626 00:38:54,260 --> 00:38:57,060 S3: way what what does that mean for a Christian? Like 627 00:38:57,100 --> 00:39:00,420 S3: how how do we actually do it, you know, um, 628 00:39:00,540 --> 00:39:03,540 S3: so it's it's a lot of fun. I'm, uh, having 629 00:39:03,540 --> 00:39:06,660 S3: a lot of fun writing it and a little behind, 630 00:39:06,660 --> 00:39:08,340 S3: so I need to catch up. 631 00:39:08,700 --> 00:39:10,860 S1: That's the way it always goes. Um, you got to 632 00:39:10,860 --> 00:39:13,540 S1: come back. When that comes out, you got to come back. Okay. 633 00:39:13,580 --> 00:39:14,900 S3: Absolutely. We'll do. 634 00:39:15,460 --> 00:39:18,739 S1: Uh, the Asaph project. We mentioned the Psalms, and I 635 00:39:18,739 --> 00:39:22,299 S1: know Asaph wrote some of the Psalms. Uh, what is 636 00:39:22,300 --> 00:39:23,620 S1: the Asaph project? 637 00:39:24,020 --> 00:39:27,100 S3: What is the Asaph project? Well, one of the things that, 638 00:39:27,140 --> 00:39:29,020 S3: you know, you start thinking about as you get a 639 00:39:29,020 --> 00:39:32,219 S3: little older is, you know, what legacy do I want 640 00:39:32,260 --> 00:39:34,140 S3: to leave or how do I want to try and 641 00:39:34,140 --> 00:39:39,380 S3: help the next generation? So The Asaph Project is a 642 00:39:39,580 --> 00:39:44,660 S3: nonprofit that is going to do theological and musical training 643 00:39:44,660 --> 00:39:48,660 S3: for worship leaders. So, uh, it might discuss things. We 644 00:39:48,660 --> 00:39:51,660 S3: might discuss things like, you know, what's the best way 645 00:39:51,660 --> 00:39:55,300 S3: to plan a worship set or, um, you know, what 646 00:39:55,300 --> 00:39:58,700 S3: are the best keys to put songs in? Or, you know, 647 00:39:58,739 --> 00:40:02,940 S3: why might not we why might we not want to, 648 00:40:02,980 --> 00:40:06,300 S3: you know, open with a song about ourselves? You know, 649 00:40:06,340 --> 00:40:08,529 S3: what kind of song would we want to open a 650 00:40:08,530 --> 00:40:11,810 S3: worship service with? So all of these sorts of questions. 651 00:40:11,810 --> 00:40:13,930 S3: But we are also going to have an arm that's 652 00:40:13,930 --> 00:40:17,290 S3: going to write new songs for the church to sing. 653 00:40:17,290 --> 00:40:20,650 S3: So I'm really excited. We just got our 500 and 654 00:40:20,650 --> 00:40:24,410 S3: 1C3 status and we're just kind of putting everything together. 655 00:40:24,690 --> 00:40:27,890 S3: So in the next month we will be up and 656 00:40:27,890 --> 00:40:31,690 S3: running with Asaph Project things. But just to throw it 657 00:40:31,690 --> 00:40:34,730 S3: out there, if we have some worship leaders or pastors 658 00:40:34,730 --> 00:40:37,529 S3: listening and you want to know more, please send an 659 00:40:37,530 --> 00:40:40,930 S3: email to info at. Com because I'd love to put 660 00:40:40,930 --> 00:40:43,489 S3: you on our new email list so that you can 661 00:40:43,489 --> 00:40:44,890 S3: learn more about what we're doing. 662 00:40:45,050 --> 00:40:49,130 S1: Excellent. And to be able to think deeply and theologically 663 00:40:49,130 --> 00:40:51,330 S1: about what we sing. And I know, you know, people 664 00:40:51,330 --> 00:40:55,930 S1: do worship pastors do that. But even more deeply, that 665 00:40:55,930 --> 00:41:00,490 S1: sounds fantastic. So info at com. Is that the email address? 666 00:41:00,530 --> 00:41:02,009 S3: Absolutely, yes. 667 00:41:02,130 --> 00:41:03,810 S7: Uh, let's see. 668 00:41:03,850 --> 00:41:06,690 S1: I saw a picture of you and a dog. A 669 00:41:06,730 --> 00:41:10,290 S1: seeing eye dog. Do you remember that dog that I. 670 00:41:10,290 --> 00:41:13,050 S3: Had a dog in college? Um, okay, I did. I 671 00:41:13,050 --> 00:41:18,009 S3: had a wonderful yellow lab named Lindsay who was my guide. Well, 672 00:41:18,010 --> 00:41:20,010 S3: she was sort of my guide, but she really liked 673 00:41:20,010 --> 00:41:22,569 S3: to chase the squirrels and go hang out with my 674 00:41:22,570 --> 00:41:25,770 S3: friends and eat hamburgers from the floor of the cafeteria. 675 00:41:25,770 --> 00:41:30,330 S3: So she was a little bit of a reckless guide. But, um, 676 00:41:30,330 --> 00:41:33,489 S3: I loved her just the same. And, uh, I have 677 00:41:33,489 --> 00:41:37,610 S3: not had a guide dog since Lindsay, so I think 678 00:41:37,850 --> 00:41:41,450 S3: I feel like dogs having to be crammed in airplanes or, 679 00:41:41,690 --> 00:41:43,569 S3: you know, now living in New York and there's not 680 00:41:43,570 --> 00:41:45,850 S3: really a lot of grass around, and you'd have to 681 00:41:45,890 --> 00:41:48,130 S3: be they'd have to be cooped up in an apartment 682 00:41:48,130 --> 00:41:51,609 S3: a lot. That just doesn't sound very fun. Uh, to me. 683 00:41:51,650 --> 00:41:54,609 S3: For for a dog. So. Not yet. But but I 684 00:41:54,610 --> 00:41:57,529 S3: do love dogs still. I just adopt the dogs in 685 00:41:57,530 --> 00:42:00,370 S3: my apartment building, and that works for now. 686 00:42:00,410 --> 00:42:00,810 S7: Yeah. 687 00:42:01,410 --> 00:42:03,330 S1: Uh, I want to play a little bit of one 688 00:42:03,330 --> 00:42:07,440 S1: more song and this is called On Repeat. This is 689 00:42:07,440 --> 00:42:10,719 S1: from the EP Different Kind of Water. Listen to some 690 00:42:10,719 --> 00:42:13,160 S1: of these words. Here's Ginny Owens. 691 00:42:17,360 --> 00:42:21,320 S2: I was born in a place where pain has left 692 00:42:21,320 --> 00:42:26,400 S2: a legacy. And climbing out from underneath was a hard 693 00:42:26,400 --> 00:42:32,520 S2: thing you did. And I learned long ago. The darkness 694 00:42:32,520 --> 00:42:37,520 S2: that surrounded me. Didn't have to be my enemy with 695 00:42:37,520 --> 00:42:42,919 S2: God as my friend. Everybody told me you don't have 696 00:42:42,920 --> 00:42:47,360 S2: to know what's coming. To get to where you're going. 697 00:42:48,080 --> 00:42:53,360 S2: You just have to know how to get through. Sing 698 00:42:53,360 --> 00:42:57,399 S2: through the hurt you hold. Sing of the hope you 699 00:42:57,400 --> 00:43:01,319 S2: know it's a song on repeat. Until they know who 700 00:43:01,360 --> 00:43:08,000 S2: you will be. Sing of the gifts you got singing 701 00:43:08,000 --> 00:43:11,080 S2: when it's good and it's not the song on repeat. 702 00:43:12,360 --> 00:43:19,320 S2: It'll break you or set you free. Ah ah ah. 703 00:43:21,800 --> 00:43:22,359 S2: Ah ah. 704 00:43:23,000 --> 00:43:23,960 S8: Song on repeat. 705 00:43:24,320 --> 00:43:26,160 S1: You got a song like that. Where you listen to 706 00:43:26,160 --> 00:43:28,560 S1: it again and again and again. But that works on 707 00:43:28,560 --> 00:43:31,520 S1: the positive. But it also works on the negative. And 708 00:43:31,520 --> 00:43:33,319 S1: that's where the song kind of goes. We don't have 709 00:43:33,320 --> 00:43:36,280 S1: time to play the whole thing here, Jenny. But we 710 00:43:36,280 --> 00:43:39,000 S1: also have these things that we tell ourselves or we 711 00:43:39,000 --> 00:43:43,560 S1: let ourselves think that we need to step on. Right? 712 00:43:44,040 --> 00:43:47,160 S3: That's right. That's why Paul tells us in Philippians four 713 00:43:47,200 --> 00:43:49,960 S3: to just think on what is true and lovely and 714 00:43:49,960 --> 00:43:53,720 S3: admirable and praiseworthy to to actually move our minds like 715 00:43:53,920 --> 00:43:57,520 S3: we have to find something new to think about. So 716 00:43:57,560 --> 00:44:00,600 S3: that was definitely the inspiration for that song on repeat. 717 00:44:00,600 --> 00:44:02,589 S1: We didn't get to play Let This Go, which is 718 00:44:02,590 --> 00:44:06,350 S1: about forgiveness. So there you have it. Most of the 719 00:44:06,350 --> 00:44:08,549 S1: songs you've heard, at least a little of them by 720 00:44:08,550 --> 00:44:12,950 S1: Ginny Owens. Matt is on the line from Springfield, Illinois. Matt, 721 00:44:12,989 --> 00:44:14,230 S1: what do you want to say to Ginny? 722 00:44:15,270 --> 00:44:18,510 S9: Hey, good to talk to you, Jenny and Chris. I 723 00:44:18,630 --> 00:44:21,469 S9: am I was a caller before, so I don't know 724 00:44:21,469 --> 00:44:23,710 S9: if you remember or not, but I'm a musician. I 725 00:44:23,710 --> 00:44:27,110 S9: play the piano, and I play for a place called 726 00:44:27,390 --> 00:44:34,030 S9: Mary Bryant Home for the blind here in Springfield. And, yeah, it's, uh, 727 00:44:34,350 --> 00:44:38,069 S9: I don't get paid much, and which is fine, because 728 00:44:38,070 --> 00:44:41,710 S9: it is the most rewarding gigs that I've ever had. 729 00:44:41,989 --> 00:44:46,390 S9: They appreciate it more than. Yeah, more than anybody. In fact, 730 00:44:46,510 --> 00:44:49,870 S9: I'm not sure. I know there is like varying degrees 731 00:44:49,870 --> 00:44:54,390 S9: of blindness that they have and maybe some, you know, 732 00:44:54,430 --> 00:44:59,230 S9: some can see somewhat and others like totally blind. And 733 00:44:59,230 --> 00:45:01,190 S9: there's a woman that sits right in front of where 734 00:45:01,190 --> 00:45:04,310 S9: I play every time when I play and I'm walking 735 00:45:04,310 --> 00:45:06,509 S9: up and I'm thinking, well, maybe they can see me, 736 00:45:06,550 --> 00:45:10,030 S9: maybe they can't. And once I started playing, she goes, oh, 737 00:45:10,070 --> 00:45:10,710 S9: he's here. 738 00:45:13,710 --> 00:45:14,830 S10: And then the response that you. 739 00:45:14,830 --> 00:45:17,430 S1: Get from that, and you've talked about that to Jenny, 740 00:45:17,469 --> 00:45:20,350 S1: the response of the the people who are singing these 741 00:45:20,350 --> 00:45:24,589 S1: songs with you when you're performing them, there's something about that, 742 00:45:24,590 --> 00:45:25,150 S1: isn't there? 743 00:45:25,469 --> 00:45:28,390 S3: There really is. There's something super special about that. 744 00:45:29,590 --> 00:45:32,430 S1: Well, I hope, Matt, thank you. Thanks for your ministry 745 00:45:32,430 --> 00:45:35,669 S1: to love what you do, Jenny. You love what you do. 746 00:45:35,710 --> 00:45:39,350 S1: Love your heart, that you're this author and you're a 747 00:45:39,350 --> 00:45:43,270 S1: speaker and you're singer songwriter and you've got all these friends. 748 00:45:43,270 --> 00:45:46,390 S1: And you knew Cindy Morgan back when she had big hair. 749 00:45:47,469 --> 00:45:48,830 S1: I saw a picture. 750 00:45:48,830 --> 00:45:49,750 S10: Of her the other day. 751 00:45:50,070 --> 00:45:53,110 S1: She she shared this picture of her from, you know, 20, 752 00:45:53,110 --> 00:45:55,430 S1: 30 years ago. And she had that had the big 753 00:45:55,430 --> 00:45:57,790 S1: hair and a big heart. And so. 754 00:45:57,790 --> 00:45:58,350 S10: Do you. 755 00:45:58,390 --> 00:45:59,500 S3: Still has the big heart. 756 00:45:59,860 --> 00:46:02,739 S1: Thank you so much for sharing your heart and your 757 00:46:02,739 --> 00:46:06,020 S1: songs with us today. Godspeed friend and come back and 758 00:46:06,020 --> 00:46:07,260 S1: see us real soon, okay? 759 00:46:07,700 --> 00:46:09,220 S3: Thank you so much. Will do. 760 00:46:09,739 --> 00:46:12,020 S1: And don't forget, in about a year we're going to 761 00:46:12,020 --> 00:46:16,660 S1: talk about Courageous Compassion with Ginny Owens. The new EP 762 00:46:16,780 --> 00:46:19,779 S1: and journal is out. Different Kind of Water. You've heard 763 00:46:19,780 --> 00:46:23,220 S1: some of those songs here today at the Radio Backyard Fence. 764 00:46:23,219 --> 00:46:25,819 S1: We have links for you and obviously you can get 765 00:46:25,820 --> 00:46:29,860 S1: those wherever you stream music. However you do that or 766 00:46:29,900 --> 00:46:32,660 S1: like me, I can just go get the CD. Yep, 767 00:46:32,700 --> 00:46:34,899 S1: I'm one of the old school. So go to Chris 768 00:46:35,739 --> 00:46:38,819 S1: org and you'll see more about it right there on 769 00:46:38,820 --> 00:46:44,020 S1: the front page and on today's information page. And tomorrow 770 00:46:44,060 --> 00:46:48,259 S1: it's Romans 828. All our with doctor Ray Pritchard on 771 00:46:48,260 --> 00:46:51,299 S1: Chris Fabry live production of Moody Radio, a ministry of 772 00:46:51,340 --> 00:46:52,980 S1: Moody Bible Institute.