1 00:00:00,040 --> 00:00:02,480 S1: Hi friends. Thanks so much for downloading this podcast, and 2 00:00:02,480 --> 00:00:06,000 S1: I hope truly that you will hear something that will encourage, edify, equip, 3 00:00:06,000 --> 00:00:08,360 S1: and enlighten you to get out there and influence and 4 00:00:08,400 --> 00:00:11,040 S1: occupy until he comes. And on that note, may I 5 00:00:11,039 --> 00:00:13,080 S1: take just a few moments here to describe this month's 6 00:00:13,080 --> 00:00:15,920 S1: truth tool? It's by pastor Jack Hibbs. He's written the 7 00:00:15,920 --> 00:00:19,040 S1: book called Called to Take a Bold Stand. I absolutely 8 00:00:19,040 --> 00:00:21,520 S1: love this book because it reminds us that in Christ 9 00:00:21,520 --> 00:00:24,480 S1: all things pass away. All things become new, that we 10 00:00:24,480 --> 00:00:27,240 S1: are standing for his truth, that we have a new nature. 11 00:00:27,240 --> 00:00:30,080 S1: Because of him, we should be living boldly. But far 12 00:00:30,080 --> 00:00:33,120 S1: too often we retreat out of fear from cultural blowback. 13 00:00:33,320 --> 00:00:35,600 S1: So I want to encourage all of us to just 14 00:00:35,600 --> 00:00:37,800 S1: stand up for Christ, to be unashamed of who we 15 00:00:37,800 --> 00:00:40,120 S1: are in him, and to go into a culture that's 16 00:00:40,120 --> 00:00:43,600 S1: telling us in no uncertain terms. They're lost and they're hurting. 17 00:00:43,600 --> 00:00:45,760 S1: So if you'd like a copy of Pastor Hibbs new 18 00:00:45,760 --> 00:00:48,400 S1: book called Call to Take a Bold Stand, just give 19 00:00:48,400 --> 00:00:50,720 S1: a gift of any amount by calling eight, seven, seven. 20 00:00:50,720 --> 00:00:53,680 S1: Janet 58. 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Now 39 00:01:37,300 --> 00:01:39,140 S1: please enjoy the broadcast. 40 00:01:41,300 --> 00:01:42,820 S2: Here are some of the news headlines we're watching. 41 00:01:43,100 --> 00:01:45,340 S3: The conference was over. The president won a pledge. 42 00:01:45,340 --> 00:01:47,580 S4: So Americans worshiping government over God. 43 00:01:47,940 --> 00:01:51,300 S3: Extremely rare safety move by a major 17 years. 44 00:01:51,300 --> 00:01:53,900 S5: The Palestinians and Israelis negotiated every time. 45 00:01:54,820 --> 00:01:57,260 S6: Not to mention the. 46 00:02:08,639 --> 00:02:09,320 S3: Hi friends. 47 00:02:09,320 --> 00:02:11,519 S1: Welcome to In the market with Janet Partial. A very 48 00:02:11,560 --> 00:02:14,280 S1: happy Tuesday to you. Thank you so much for joining us. 49 00:02:14,280 --> 00:02:17,160 S1: We have a lot of territory to cover this day. 50 00:02:17,160 --> 00:02:19,360 S1: But before we get started, I want to ask you 51 00:02:19,360 --> 00:02:21,519 S1: a question. Nobody's going to hear you. You can answer 52 00:02:21,520 --> 00:02:23,120 S1: inside your own heart. You don't even have to say 53 00:02:23,120 --> 00:02:25,799 S1: it out loud. But it's it's something that I do 54 00:02:25,840 --> 00:02:28,840 S1: on a regular basis. And so I'm wondering if I 55 00:02:28,880 --> 00:02:31,160 S1: couldn't share it with you before my feet touch the 56 00:02:31,160 --> 00:02:34,920 S1: ground every morning when I move out of that somnambulistic 57 00:02:34,919 --> 00:02:37,960 S1: state of sleep and you start to awaken, you realize 58 00:02:37,960 --> 00:02:40,240 S1: that you're conscious and it's a brand new day. And 59 00:02:40,240 --> 00:02:43,200 S1: the Lord didn't call you home during the night. And, well, 60 00:02:43,200 --> 00:02:48,120 S1: you've been given this irreplaceable gift of one more day. 61 00:02:48,120 --> 00:02:50,600 S1: By the way, the sons of Sunday sing this praise 62 00:02:50,600 --> 00:02:53,040 S1: and worship song called One More Day. Craig and I 63 00:02:53,080 --> 00:02:55,600 S1: weep every time we hear it. This idea of this 64 00:02:55,600 --> 00:02:58,870 S1: one more day that we've been given to say thank you, Lord, 65 00:02:58,870 --> 00:03:01,510 S1: and to praise him and to worship him. You know, 66 00:03:01,550 --> 00:03:03,270 S1: it isn't by accident that you and I woke up 67 00:03:03,270 --> 00:03:06,470 S1: this morning. So what I do every day is before 68 00:03:06,470 --> 00:03:08,870 S1: my feet even touch the ground. I start with a 69 00:03:08,870 --> 00:03:10,350 S1: series of thank yous. I don't know what the day 70 00:03:10,389 --> 00:03:12,070 S1: is going to hold. I don't know what's ahead of me. 71 00:03:12,070 --> 00:03:14,150 S1: I just know I'm going to start thanking him. And 72 00:03:14,150 --> 00:03:15,829 S1: I go through a series of things. I always thank 73 00:03:15,870 --> 00:03:18,109 S1: him every day for loving us enough to leave us 74 00:03:18,110 --> 00:03:20,670 S1: with a comforter. Jesus said that he was going to leave, 75 00:03:20,710 --> 00:03:23,110 S1: but he would leave us with a comforter. And I'm 76 00:03:23,110 --> 00:03:26,109 S1: so thankful that we have the indwelling of the person 77 00:03:26,110 --> 00:03:29,470 S1: of the Holy Spirit. If you've accepted Christ as your 78 00:03:29,470 --> 00:03:31,830 S1: personal Savior, and your name has been written in the 79 00:03:31,830 --> 00:03:34,190 S1: Lamb's Book of Life and on his nail scarred hands, 80 00:03:34,190 --> 00:03:35,910 S1: and nothing and no one can separate you from the 81 00:03:35,910 --> 00:03:39,150 S1: love of Christ because you've confessed your sins, recognizing that 82 00:03:39,150 --> 00:03:42,030 S1: he will forgive you of your sins and cleanse you 83 00:03:42,030 --> 00:03:45,590 S1: from all unrighteousness, and you are now his. I thank 84 00:03:45,590 --> 00:03:47,270 S1: him for the Holy Spirit because I know on my 85 00:03:47,310 --> 00:03:49,589 S1: own I don't even bother to get out of bed. 86 00:03:49,590 --> 00:03:51,710 S1: Can't do it. I'm going to sin. Six ways to 87 00:03:51,750 --> 00:03:54,190 S1: Sunday before I even start the day. So I'm thankful 88 00:03:54,190 --> 00:03:57,090 S1: for the comforting and the conviction and the conscience given 89 00:03:57,090 --> 00:03:59,290 S1: to me of the Holy Spirit. I also thank him 90 00:03:59,290 --> 00:04:02,010 S1: for his promises. It's been. Let me encourage you as 91 00:04:02,010 --> 00:04:03,690 S1: a brother or sister in the Lord. Spend time in 92 00:04:03,690 --> 00:04:06,210 S1: the word and just start writing down the promises that 93 00:04:06,210 --> 00:04:09,690 S1: God gives us. You know, recognizing his promises to us 94 00:04:09,690 --> 00:04:13,090 S1: will help us understand his character and his love for us. 95 00:04:13,370 --> 00:04:18,050 S1: His love is really, totally, completely incomprehensible. It is beyond 96 00:04:18,089 --> 00:04:21,410 S1: our little mere mortals perspective because every one of us 97 00:04:21,410 --> 00:04:24,289 S1: is a conditional lover. None of us loves unconditionally. We 98 00:04:24,290 --> 00:04:26,250 S1: think we do. Even if we're madly in love with 99 00:04:26,250 --> 00:04:28,610 S1: our kids or our spouse, we still throw those little 100 00:04:28,610 --> 00:04:30,690 S1: conditions in there. You know, I'll love you better if 101 00:04:30,690 --> 00:04:32,010 S1: you pick up your room. I'll love you if you 102 00:04:32,010 --> 00:04:33,890 S1: don't leave the wet towel on the bathroom floor. I 103 00:04:33,890 --> 00:04:37,369 S1: get it, but that's not the situation with God. So 104 00:04:37,370 --> 00:04:39,850 S1: start writing down his promises. And one of the promises 105 00:04:39,890 --> 00:04:42,810 S1: is that he says that he will wake every morning 106 00:04:42,810 --> 00:04:46,170 S1: and his tender mercies will be renewed. Now, I don't 107 00:04:46,170 --> 00:04:47,690 S1: know about you, but it's rough out there. And the 108 00:04:47,690 --> 00:04:51,289 S1: word tender always grabs my heart because life is rough. 109 00:04:51,490 --> 00:04:53,970 S1: And to know that his tender mercies are going to 110 00:04:53,970 --> 00:04:56,950 S1: be renewed every single morning. I can't run out of them. 111 00:04:56,950 --> 00:05:00,950 S1: That his grace. In conjunction with his tender mercies, his 112 00:05:00,950 --> 00:05:02,950 S1: grace is going to be sufficient for the day. I 113 00:05:02,950 --> 00:05:05,349 S1: kind of feel like the Israelites walking through the desert 114 00:05:05,350 --> 00:05:07,909 S1: and we get this manna. So every. Day the manna 115 00:05:07,910 --> 00:05:11,150 S1: comes as a form of tender mercies and sufficient grace. Wow. 116 00:05:11,790 --> 00:05:13,909 S1: And then knowing that nothing can separate me from the 117 00:05:13,910 --> 00:05:16,190 S1: love of God. So I've got his grace and his 118 00:05:16,190 --> 00:05:20,270 S1: mercy and his mercies and his, his love and his, 119 00:05:20,270 --> 00:05:22,950 S1: his compassion and, and all of those attributes. I can 120 00:05:22,950 --> 00:05:25,669 S1: hardly comprehend it. And then I thank him for the 121 00:05:25,710 --> 00:05:27,430 S1: gift of one more day and ask him if he 122 00:05:27,430 --> 00:05:30,230 S1: would guide and direct me to use it as he wants. 123 00:05:30,470 --> 00:05:32,630 S1: Because if he gave me one more day, one more day, 124 00:05:32,630 --> 00:05:37,110 S1: it wasn't for me to seek self-satisfaction, self-aggrandizement. It was 125 00:05:37,110 --> 00:05:38,750 S1: to seek how I can bring honor and glory to 126 00:05:38,790 --> 00:05:40,550 S1: him and make him known to the people around me. 127 00:05:40,550 --> 00:05:42,070 S1: So I thank him for that. And then I asked 128 00:05:42,070 --> 00:05:44,830 S1: for a quickening in my heart to recognize those moments, 129 00:05:44,830 --> 00:05:47,470 S1: those times when I should say something, when I can 130 00:05:47,470 --> 00:05:51,150 S1: do something that's emblematic of my relationship with him as 131 00:05:51,150 --> 00:05:54,370 S1: my Savior and Lord. Just a thought. But those are 132 00:05:54,370 --> 00:05:55,890 S1: the things I do every morning. And then I roll 133 00:05:55,890 --> 00:05:57,330 S1: up my sleeves and I have to dive in. All 134 00:05:57,330 --> 00:06:00,370 S1: this stuff that's going on out there and it's a mess. 135 00:06:00,370 --> 00:06:03,290 S1: But it helps me understand the mess better by understanding 136 00:06:03,290 --> 00:06:05,650 S1: that God is on the throne. He didn't vacate overnight. 137 00:06:05,690 --> 00:06:08,290 S1: He's not up for re-election. He is the king and 138 00:06:08,290 --> 00:06:10,850 S1: always will be the king. But he's a king that 139 00:06:10,850 --> 00:06:13,610 S1: you and I have a personal relationship with. And I 140 00:06:13,610 --> 00:06:15,890 S1: want us to remember that we can love God, knowing 141 00:06:15,930 --> 00:06:18,050 S1: how much he loves us, and we can understand the 142 00:06:18,050 --> 00:06:20,570 S1: character of God by being in His Word. Now we're 143 00:06:20,570 --> 00:06:22,370 S1: going to get a king here in the United States. 144 00:06:22,410 --> 00:06:25,370 S1: Oh no wait, I'm not undoing the revolution. We are 145 00:06:25,370 --> 00:06:28,570 S1: celebrating 250 years, by the way. But the King of 146 00:06:28,570 --> 00:06:32,570 S1: England is about to come to Washington, DC. Okay, now 147 00:06:32,570 --> 00:06:35,089 S1: I'm an Anglophile. I have a great history. I'm not 148 00:06:35,130 --> 00:06:37,089 S1: wild about any of them, but I just find their 149 00:06:37,089 --> 00:06:40,450 S1: history to be interesting because so much of who we 150 00:06:40,450 --> 00:06:44,330 S1: are as Christians gets tied into Anglophilia history, if there 151 00:06:44,330 --> 00:06:46,650 S1: is such a word. So King Charles, put this on 152 00:06:46,650 --> 00:06:48,770 S1: your calendar is going to come to the United States 153 00:06:48,770 --> 00:06:51,250 S1: in April. And guess what? He's going to speak to 154 00:06:51,390 --> 00:06:56,029 S1: Congress in a joint session, citing two people familiar with 155 00:06:56,029 --> 00:06:57,990 S1: the matter. So in other words, these are sources. Our 156 00:06:57,990 --> 00:07:00,470 S1: town is filled with sources here. So the visit is 157 00:07:00,470 --> 00:07:02,550 S1: going to mark the first time a British sovereign has 158 00:07:02,550 --> 00:07:08,310 S1: addressed Congress since Queen Elizabeth did it in 1991. This 159 00:07:08,310 --> 00:07:10,390 S1: is also an interesting time for him to show up, 160 00:07:10,390 --> 00:07:13,390 S1: because his arrival comes amid tensions between the white House 161 00:07:13,390 --> 00:07:16,590 S1: and number ten Downing Street. That's Prime Minister Keir Starmer 162 00:07:16,710 --> 00:07:20,430 S1: over the Iranian war, Starmer has been vocally critical of 163 00:07:20,430 --> 00:07:24,510 S1: the American-Israeli operation and refused numerous calls to commit British 164 00:07:24,510 --> 00:07:27,830 S1: forces to the effort. He did, however, decide to sign 165 00:07:27,830 --> 00:07:30,470 S1: on to a joint statement expressing support for the reopening 166 00:07:30,470 --> 00:07:33,510 S1: of the Strait of Hormuz. Well, because I bet they're 167 00:07:33,510 --> 00:07:35,590 S1: paying as much for petrol there as we are for 168 00:07:35,590 --> 00:07:39,190 S1: gas here. So the general lack of support from European 169 00:07:39,190 --> 00:07:41,630 S1: nations for the Iran war has led Trump to repeatedly 170 00:07:41,630 --> 00:07:45,310 S1: criticise NATO, going so far as to call the alliance 171 00:07:45,310 --> 00:07:48,630 S1: a paper tiger without the United States of America. So 172 00:07:48,630 --> 00:07:51,300 S1: you can imagine the pomp and circumstances. There will be 173 00:07:51,300 --> 00:07:53,460 S1: a state dinner and you know we're going to put 174 00:07:53,460 --> 00:07:55,300 S1: on the Ritz as the song goes for the King 175 00:07:55,340 --> 00:07:59,300 S1: of England. I know that when the President and First Lady, 176 00:07:59,340 --> 00:08:02,660 S1: during his tenure as the 45th president of the United States, 177 00:08:02,700 --> 00:08:05,100 S1: went to England and they were feted and dined as 178 00:08:05,100 --> 00:08:07,260 S1: heads of states are, will do the same thing when 179 00:08:07,260 --> 00:08:09,820 S1: he comes here. But it's going to be very interesting 180 00:08:09,860 --> 00:08:13,380 S1: to hear what he has to say before the joint 181 00:08:13,420 --> 00:08:15,780 S1: session of Congress. Now. As a side note, you understand 182 00:08:15,780 --> 00:08:17,900 S1: that one of the many titles that the monarch of 183 00:08:17,900 --> 00:08:21,780 S1: England has is the titular head of the King of 184 00:08:21,780 --> 00:08:23,980 S1: the Church of England. Rather, this. All this is part 185 00:08:23,980 --> 00:08:26,060 S1: of my love of English history. So Henry the Eighth 186 00:08:26,140 --> 00:08:28,700 S1: wants to divorce his wife, Catherine of Aragon. The Catholic 187 00:08:28,700 --> 00:08:31,060 S1: Church says, no, you can't do it. So he goes, Abracadabra, 188 00:08:31,100 --> 00:08:33,260 S1: I'm going to come up with my own religion. Uh, 189 00:08:33,300 --> 00:08:35,500 S1: we're going to call it the Church of England. He 190 00:08:35,500 --> 00:08:38,020 S1: tells Thomas Moore, I want you to support me in this. 191 00:08:38,020 --> 00:08:40,380 S1: His number one right hand lawyer. And he goes, nope. 192 00:08:40,700 --> 00:08:43,500 S1: What happens to Thomas Moore off with his head? And 193 00:08:43,500 --> 00:08:45,620 S1: the last words he speaks on planet earth are I'm 194 00:08:45,620 --> 00:08:49,079 S1: the King's good servant, but God's first. He will not 195 00:08:49,080 --> 00:08:52,040 S1: change his position because he could not find justification for 196 00:08:52,040 --> 00:08:55,640 S1: this divorce. The Church of England gets form. What's interesting 197 00:08:55,640 --> 00:08:58,440 S1: is that the current monarch of England wants to be 198 00:08:58,440 --> 00:09:01,480 S1: the titular head of all faiths in the UK, and 199 00:09:01,480 --> 00:09:05,119 S1: has been sending out a lot of messages on Ramadan recently, 200 00:09:05,120 --> 00:09:07,520 S1: which are interesting in and of itself. But his son 201 00:09:07,520 --> 00:09:10,560 S1: William has said just this week he wants a deeper 202 00:09:10,559 --> 00:09:14,880 S1: relationship with the Church of England, reminding us that princes 203 00:09:14,880 --> 00:09:18,719 S1: and kings need Jesus too. So while we'll have a 204 00:09:18,720 --> 00:09:22,000 S1: king come to address us in April, be praying for 205 00:09:22,000 --> 00:09:24,600 S1: the current monarch, that he might know Christ as his 206 00:09:24,600 --> 00:09:27,440 S1: personal Saviour if he does not, and that his son William, 207 00:09:27,440 --> 00:09:30,560 S1: who has expressed an openness now to go deeper into 208 00:09:30,559 --> 00:09:33,160 S1: the church, might come to have an encounter with Christ 209 00:09:33,160 --> 00:09:47,000 S1: back after this. Are you living with a biblically based, 210 00:09:47,000 --> 00:09:49,620 S1: passionate faith? Or are you pulling back from letting your 211 00:09:49,620 --> 00:09:52,100 S1: light shine? That's why I've chosen cold to take a 212 00:09:52,100 --> 00:09:54,420 S1: bold stand as this month's truth tool. Learn how to 213 00:09:54,460 --> 00:09:57,459 S1: influence the culture for Christ in a transformative way. As 214 00:09:57,500 --> 00:09:59,540 S1: for your copy of call to take a bold stand 215 00:09:59,540 --> 00:10:01,059 S1: when you give a gift of any amount to in 216 00:10:01,100 --> 00:10:05,780 S1: the market, call 877. Janet 58. That's 877. Janet 58. 217 00:10:05,780 --> 00:10:08,060 S1: Or go to in the market with Janet dot o 218 00:10:08,179 --> 00:10:13,100 S1: r g. For a lot of families in the United States, 219 00:10:13,100 --> 00:10:16,180 S1: scouting has been a proud tradition. We would send our 220 00:10:16,179 --> 00:10:18,460 S1: girls off to Brownies and Girl Scouts, and for the 221 00:10:18,460 --> 00:10:20,380 S1: boys it would be Cub Scouts and then the Boy Scouts, 222 00:10:20,380 --> 00:10:22,740 S1: and then the Eagle Scout was the pinnacle of what 223 00:10:22,740 --> 00:10:25,460 S1: they could do. And then somewhere along the way, they 224 00:10:25,460 --> 00:10:28,220 S1: lost their way. I started to pull back when I 225 00:10:28,220 --> 00:10:30,660 S1: recognized there was a linkage with the Girl Scouts, not 226 00:10:30,700 --> 00:10:33,540 S1: with the cookies, but Planned Parenthood. And I thought, no, 227 00:10:33,580 --> 00:10:35,700 S1: I think they've gone one Direction. I'm going to go 228 00:10:35,740 --> 00:10:38,380 S1: another in the same way with the Boy Scouts of America, 229 00:10:38,420 --> 00:10:41,300 S1: they began to lose their way as well. Well, they're 230 00:10:41,300 --> 00:10:44,939 S1: back in the headlines again because they realized that their 231 00:10:44,980 --> 00:10:49,840 S1: choice to be involved in woke ideology and Dei is 232 00:10:49,840 --> 00:10:52,760 S1: costing them. They've been belligerent and dug in for the 233 00:10:52,760 --> 00:10:54,760 S1: longest period of time. But then the Department of War 234 00:10:54,800 --> 00:10:58,640 S1: weighed in because now they're reviewing their long standing relationship 235 00:10:58,640 --> 00:11:00,760 S1: with the Boy Scouts of America. They don't call themselves 236 00:11:00,760 --> 00:11:05,040 S1: that anymore. They call themselves scouting America anymore. Notice the 237 00:11:05,040 --> 00:11:08,520 S1: exclusion of the word boy. I'll let you think about 238 00:11:08,520 --> 00:11:11,160 S1: that one. So the War Department has raised some concerns 239 00:11:11,160 --> 00:11:14,680 S1: because they said, look, this Dei stuff, this gender ideology stuff, 240 00:11:14,920 --> 00:11:18,480 S1: it really doesn't work with who we are as a department. 241 00:11:18,480 --> 00:11:21,840 S1: And we're going to seriously reconsider our relationship with you. 242 00:11:21,880 --> 00:11:23,880 S1: Joining me to talk about that more in depth is 243 00:11:23,880 --> 00:11:27,920 S1: something who knows a lot about building character in young people, 244 00:11:27,920 --> 00:11:30,000 S1: and that's Patty Garibay. I'm so glad to be talking 245 00:11:30,000 --> 00:11:33,360 S1: to her again. She's the founder and executive director emeritus 246 00:11:33,360 --> 00:11:37,120 S1: of American Heritage Girls, and which is, if you don't know, 247 00:11:37,120 --> 00:11:41,079 S1: a national crisis centered leadership and character development program. Patty, 248 00:11:41,080 --> 00:11:43,080 S1: it's a joy to have you back again. You wrote 249 00:11:43,080 --> 00:11:45,420 S1: an op ed on this for The Daily Signal, and 250 00:11:45,420 --> 00:11:48,020 S1: I'm so glad that you did. And the article bore 251 00:11:48,020 --> 00:11:51,660 S1: the headline, America's scouting tradition should be about moral principles, 252 00:11:51,660 --> 00:11:54,819 S1: not shifting ideology. Oh, I bet you could talk for 253 00:11:54,820 --> 00:12:00,059 S1: hours about this. Tell me first. You know. Absolutely. Tell 254 00:12:00,059 --> 00:12:02,300 S1: me first the background of the Department of War. A 255 00:12:02,340 --> 00:12:04,140 S1: lot of people might go, wow. I never knew there 256 00:12:04,140 --> 00:12:06,820 S1: was a linkage between the Boy Scouts and the Department 257 00:12:06,820 --> 00:12:09,940 S1: of Defense. Now, war. So tell me the background for 258 00:12:09,940 --> 00:12:11,540 S1: people who don't understand what's happening. 259 00:12:11,940 --> 00:12:14,540 S7: Right. Well, this has been going on since the 40s. 260 00:12:14,580 --> 00:12:17,819 S7: The Department of War and Scouting being closely tied. As 261 00:12:17,820 --> 00:12:20,620 S7: a matter of fact, the big Boy Scout jamborees were 262 00:12:20,620 --> 00:12:24,660 S7: always held at Fort A.P. Hill, which is a government entity. 263 00:12:24,700 --> 00:12:27,980 S7: It is owned by the Department of War. So this 264 00:12:27,980 --> 00:12:30,540 S7: has been going on for a long time. In addition 265 00:12:30,540 --> 00:12:33,500 S7: to that, the Boy Scouts USA, the Boy Scouts of 266 00:12:33,500 --> 00:12:37,380 S7: America had a congressional charter that was actually chartered to 267 00:12:37,420 --> 00:12:40,219 S7: them by the Congress to protect a lot of the 268 00:12:40,220 --> 00:12:42,860 S7: words that they use. It allowed a lot of copyright 269 00:12:43,370 --> 00:12:46,570 S7: Infringements not to occur. But now the question is to 270 00:12:46,610 --> 00:12:49,090 S7: me not only about the Department of War, Janet, but 271 00:12:49,090 --> 00:12:52,850 S7: this congressional charter, since the Boy Scouts have redefined themselves, 272 00:12:52,850 --> 00:12:55,610 S7: why is this still standing, and why are these protections 273 00:12:55,610 --> 00:12:59,530 S7: still being offered to something that's not even a vaguely 274 00:12:59,570 --> 00:13:04,010 S7: what it used to be? It includes over 250,000 girls. 275 00:13:04,730 --> 00:13:09,010 S1: Wow. Unbelievable. So there's a reason to reconsider their relationship. 276 00:13:09,010 --> 00:13:11,890 S1: But let me talk about the linkage between building moral 277 00:13:11,890 --> 00:13:15,890 S1: character and why the Department of War would want people 278 00:13:15,890 --> 00:13:17,410 S1: of character. I mean, if you're going to serve and 279 00:13:17,410 --> 00:13:20,010 S1: put on the uniform of the United States character would 280 00:13:20,010 --> 00:13:21,809 S1: be pretty important if you're going to do that, would 281 00:13:21,809 --> 00:13:22,290 S1: it not? 282 00:13:22,690 --> 00:13:25,770 S7: Absolutely. And, you know, it was important to the founder 283 00:13:25,770 --> 00:13:29,329 S7: of the Boy Scouts as well. Lord Baden-Powell called his 284 00:13:29,370 --> 00:13:34,610 S7: organization the Boy Scouts. Actually, for internationally he called it 285 00:13:34,610 --> 00:13:38,770 S7: applied Christianity. So there was definitely a moral foundation, not 286 00:13:38,770 --> 00:13:41,610 S7: just whatever the cultural winds of today are saying. And 287 00:13:41,610 --> 00:13:44,750 S7: so now the Boy Scouts have. I think they've been 288 00:13:44,750 --> 00:13:46,750 S7: caught with their pants down, so to speak. It was 289 00:13:46,750 --> 00:13:49,469 S7: pretty bad that they are saying, hey, who are we 290 00:13:49,510 --> 00:13:51,950 S7: now and what. Hey, let's stick our finger in the 291 00:13:51,950 --> 00:13:55,350 S7: wind and see what's going to happen. And now they're saying, hey, 292 00:13:55,390 --> 00:13:57,550 S7: we're taking back all the woke. We're going to bring 293 00:13:57,550 --> 00:14:01,550 S7: back the conviction. No, their, their, their values are for sale. 294 00:14:01,590 --> 00:14:04,750 S7: They've always been for sale since 2013 when they gave 295 00:14:04,750 --> 00:14:07,710 S7: up their membership standards. And Janet, it's a, it's a 296 00:14:07,710 --> 00:14:10,750 S7: mess right now. You cannot reclaim what you have lost. 297 00:14:10,910 --> 00:14:14,790 S1: Exactly. None of that trust. Trust is is granted and 298 00:14:14,790 --> 00:14:17,190 S1: it's not demanded. And so you broke trust with the 299 00:14:17,190 --> 00:14:19,590 S1: American people. And a lot of people said when you 300 00:14:19,590 --> 00:14:22,390 S1: turned your back on everything that you stood for for decades, 301 00:14:22,390 --> 00:14:24,870 S1: we don't trust you anymore. The same thing with Girl Scouts. 302 00:14:24,870 --> 00:14:27,110 S1: So talk to me about how God was moving in 303 00:14:27,110 --> 00:14:29,150 S1: your heart 30 years ago when you founded the American 304 00:14:29,150 --> 00:14:31,150 S1: Heritage Girls. You looked around, you saw a mess. So 305 00:14:31,150 --> 00:14:31,950 S1: what did you do? 306 00:14:32,270 --> 00:14:34,590 S7: Oh, yeah. You know, and I just wanted to do 307 00:14:34,630 --> 00:14:37,630 S7: just the right thing for my own troop. I was afraid, Janet. 308 00:14:37,630 --> 00:14:39,150 S7: But you know what the Lord did say. You need 309 00:14:39,150 --> 00:14:41,610 S7: to start something new. And so we did that. The 310 00:14:41,610 --> 00:14:45,930 S7: Girl Scouts in 1993 changed their Girl Scout promise that 311 00:14:45,930 --> 00:14:49,090 S7: they had had since 1912. That said that they would 312 00:14:49,090 --> 00:14:52,610 S7: make an oath to God no longer. It is gone. 313 00:14:52,650 --> 00:14:54,650 S7: It can be put in any word you want or 314 00:14:54,650 --> 00:14:57,570 S7: nothing at all. So that has changed the moral clarity 315 00:14:57,610 --> 00:15:00,650 S7: for that scouting organization as well. And now we know 316 00:15:00,650 --> 00:15:04,530 S7: the rest. Transsexuals are allowed. The membership standards too, have 317 00:15:04,770 --> 00:15:08,050 S7: been diluted and confused. And you know what? It's a 318 00:15:08,050 --> 00:15:10,730 S7: heartbreak of all of this as kids don't deserve this. 319 00:15:10,890 --> 00:15:13,570 S7: They deserve moral clarity. They deserve to know what's right 320 00:15:13,570 --> 00:15:16,090 S7: and wrong, and they deserve to have an organization that 321 00:15:16,090 --> 00:15:18,570 S7: will not be for sale and that will not be. 322 00:15:18,730 --> 00:15:21,010 S7: It will be contrite when they make mistakes and they 323 00:15:21,010 --> 00:15:24,570 S7: will reverse them. These organizations, I'm sad to say, they're 324 00:15:24,570 --> 00:15:27,530 S7: not like our mothers, Girl Scouts and Boy Scouts. 325 00:15:27,570 --> 00:15:31,010 S1: Exactly right. In your excellent op ed, you said this, 326 00:15:31,490 --> 00:15:33,530 S1: you said that you looked around and you saw the 327 00:15:33,530 --> 00:15:36,890 S1: mounting cultural pressures against traditional scouting, and then you wrote, quote, 328 00:15:36,930 --> 00:15:39,490 S1: it wasn't because America needed less scouting. It was because 329 00:15:39,630 --> 00:15:42,710 S1: girls needed a scout type program rooted firmly in God, 330 00:15:42,750 --> 00:15:46,630 S1: truth and timeless moral principles. Even then, it was clear 331 00:15:46,630 --> 00:15:49,310 S1: that the very foundations that made scouting strong were being 332 00:15:49,350 --> 00:15:51,630 S1: treated as optional. So let me go back to this 333 00:15:51,630 --> 00:15:54,190 S1: idea because, you know, in some respects, I think people 334 00:15:54,190 --> 00:15:56,430 S1: might be hearing you and me, Patty, thinking we're talking 335 00:15:56,430 --> 00:15:59,110 S1: in a time capsule that's old fashioned. I mean, when 336 00:15:59,110 --> 00:16:02,470 S1: you look around in the culture today, where are the entities? 337 00:16:02,510 --> 00:16:05,510 S1: Aside from what should presumably be the kitchen table followed 338 00:16:05,510 --> 00:16:09,550 S1: by Sunday School, what other organizations are out there specifically 339 00:16:09,550 --> 00:16:16,110 S1: designed to build moral character into growing adults? If the 340 00:16:16,110 --> 00:16:18,070 S1: scouting was removed, I don't know that there's a lot 341 00:16:18,070 --> 00:16:20,030 S1: of entities out there. This goes to your point about 342 00:16:20,030 --> 00:16:22,990 S1: we need more, not less of this, but this idea 343 00:16:22,990 --> 00:16:26,230 S1: of building moral character. I read the Word of God. 344 00:16:26,230 --> 00:16:28,710 S1: I see the ascendancy of lawlessness. The Bible says that's 345 00:16:28,710 --> 00:16:30,550 S1: going to come in these latter days. We certainly are 346 00:16:30,550 --> 00:16:32,710 S1: seeing that left and right. And the last time I 347 00:16:32,710 --> 00:16:35,070 S1: checked and we see video tapes posted on X all 348 00:16:35,070 --> 00:16:39,450 S1: the time of teachers being hit by students. Students hitting 349 00:16:39,490 --> 00:16:42,970 S1: other students. There is no moral character language that would 350 00:16:43,010 --> 00:16:45,570 S1: have put me in a timeout for 468 years that 351 00:16:45,570 --> 00:16:47,730 S1: I see used in the classroom on a regular basis. 352 00:16:48,050 --> 00:16:50,810 S1: So that says something about the need for moral character 353 00:16:50,810 --> 00:16:54,250 S1: when we come back. Give a defense for just overarchingly 354 00:16:54,250 --> 00:16:55,530 S1: then I want to hone in more on the work 355 00:16:55,530 --> 00:16:59,130 S1: that American Heritage Girls does. Why do we need entities 356 00:16:59,130 --> 00:17:01,650 S1: that build moral character? Some people listening might go, hey, 357 00:17:01,770 --> 00:17:03,890 S1: that's not your job, that's the parent's job, or send 358 00:17:03,890 --> 00:17:06,010 S1: them off to Sunday school. That'll be enough. But we 359 00:17:06,010 --> 00:17:09,930 S1: don't need other supportive entities that build more character. Here's 360 00:17:09,930 --> 00:17:13,370 S1: your chance to platform. Why do we need them and 361 00:17:13,369 --> 00:17:16,250 S1: how can we know that they're effective? I love American 362 00:17:16,250 --> 00:17:18,490 S1: Heritage girls. In case you haven't heard me say this before, 363 00:17:18,730 --> 00:17:21,369 S1: and Patti Garibay founded it a long time ago, 30 364 00:17:21,369 --> 00:17:23,449 S1: years ago. Her daughter now runs it. She is the 365 00:17:23,450 --> 00:17:27,250 S1: founder and executive director emeritus of famous Latin word. That 366 00:17:27,250 --> 00:17:29,170 S1: means we can't live without you. So she's still very 367 00:17:29,170 --> 00:17:31,010 S1: much involved. We're going to tell you more about it 368 00:17:31,010 --> 00:17:51,880 S1: right after this. Always love spending time with Patti Garibay. 369 00:17:51,920 --> 00:17:56,320 S1: She's the founder and executive director emeritus of American Heritage Girls, 370 00:17:56,320 --> 00:18:00,600 S1: which is a national, crisis centered leadership and character development program. 371 00:18:00,600 --> 00:18:02,440 S1: Which takes me to the question that I put to 372 00:18:02,480 --> 00:18:05,080 S1: Patti just before the break, which is, what is the 373 00:18:05,080 --> 00:18:09,040 S1: purpose of building moral character? If we take away the home, 374 00:18:09,040 --> 00:18:11,760 S1: if we take away the church. What other entities are 375 00:18:11,800 --> 00:18:13,959 S1: out there to do this sort of thing? And I 376 00:18:13,960 --> 00:18:16,200 S1: think the answer is there aren't, which is why scouting 377 00:18:16,200 --> 00:18:19,919 S1: is important. So tell me how scouting and American heritage 378 00:18:19,920 --> 00:18:23,639 S1: girls in particular can build character, because that's one of 379 00:18:23,640 --> 00:18:27,520 S1: those amorphous yet necessary parts of our existence as human beings. 380 00:18:28,200 --> 00:18:33,440 S7: It truly is. And we desire it. Our bodies are created. 381 00:18:33,440 --> 00:18:36,859 S7: Our emotions are created to serve God, to glorify God, 382 00:18:36,859 --> 00:18:41,220 S7: to to have a right and wrong system in our lives. 383 00:18:41,220 --> 00:18:44,780 S7: And kids today are begging for this, Janet. And this 384 00:18:44,780 --> 00:18:47,420 S7: is it is just a big void right now that 385 00:18:47,420 --> 00:18:50,980 S7: we have. And here's the thing as the primary Disciplers 386 00:18:50,980 --> 00:18:54,980 S7: parents aren't quite pulling their weight either, nor is the church. 387 00:18:54,980 --> 00:18:57,940 S7: And so we need more than once a week on 388 00:18:57,940 --> 00:19:01,420 S7: Sundays to be able to really disciple these kids. And 389 00:19:01,420 --> 00:19:04,940 S7: so we need almost a tribe of, of loving adult 390 00:19:04,940 --> 00:19:08,180 S7: women and men that want to feed into these young ladies, 391 00:19:08,180 --> 00:19:10,899 S7: to help them to understand who they are and who 392 00:19:10,940 --> 00:19:14,500 S7: they are, to help them have a framework for adulting. 393 00:19:14,619 --> 00:19:17,219 S7: And what does that look like for a Christian young 394 00:19:17,220 --> 00:19:20,780 S7: woman to become an adult? What does that even you know, 395 00:19:20,940 --> 00:19:24,540 S7: where's your passion? Where's her vocation? What kind of tools 396 00:19:24,780 --> 00:19:27,419 S7: has the Lord given her in order for her to 397 00:19:27,619 --> 00:19:30,780 S7: excel and glorify him through her life? And that's just 398 00:19:30,780 --> 00:19:32,540 S7: not out there. It's not being taught in the schools 399 00:19:32,580 --> 00:19:35,000 S7: and home schoolers are able to get some of this, 400 00:19:35,000 --> 00:19:38,280 S7: but they love this program too. Because of our leadership 401 00:19:38,280 --> 00:19:41,760 S7: and the socialization as well as the service and community. 402 00:19:41,800 --> 00:19:46,840 S7: Community orientation. Kids need this. And oh, Janet, the loneliness epidemic. 403 00:19:46,840 --> 00:19:49,399 S7: I can't even speak enough about this. Kids are so 404 00:19:49,600 --> 00:19:52,679 S7: very lonely. They need a friend. This is such a 405 00:19:52,680 --> 00:19:54,760 S7: beautiful place to find a friend. 406 00:19:54,960 --> 00:19:57,840 S1: Wow. So take me back 30 years ago, sitting at 407 00:19:57,840 --> 00:20:00,400 S1: your kitchen table thinking, praying. God stirring in your heart. 408 00:20:00,400 --> 00:20:03,479 S1: Before you found American heritage girls. Now fast forward to 409 00:20:03,520 --> 00:20:06,000 S1: where we are today. I love this because it's such 410 00:20:06,000 --> 00:20:08,880 S1: a yay God story. Tell me how big American Heritage 411 00:20:08,880 --> 00:20:09,720 S1: Girls is now. 412 00:20:10,119 --> 00:20:14,080 S7: Well, presently we're serving 72,000 girls, and over the last 413 00:20:14,080 --> 00:20:18,120 S7: 30 years, over a million girls have been blessed by 414 00:20:18,119 --> 00:20:21,680 S7: this program. We have the most beautiful alumni stories, as 415 00:20:21,680 --> 00:20:24,440 S7: you can imagine, because we've seen so many of these 416 00:20:24,440 --> 00:20:28,240 S7: girls grow up in this ministry. And to talk about 417 00:20:28,240 --> 00:20:31,680 S7: the churches that host these that say, I care about 418 00:20:31,680 --> 00:20:36,220 S7: girls ministries, there's over 1350 of those churches across the 419 00:20:36,420 --> 00:20:39,580 S7: USA that say, we care about that. And then when 420 00:20:39,580 --> 00:20:43,740 S7: we became non-partners with the Boy Scouts of America in 2013, 421 00:20:43,780 --> 00:20:46,740 S7: we helped to start Trail Life USA. And so now 422 00:20:46,740 --> 00:20:50,540 S7: there's family ministry that can be occurring in the church 423 00:20:50,700 --> 00:20:53,980 S7: with those primary disciplers the parents. And what a beautiful 424 00:20:53,980 --> 00:20:56,780 S7: way for them to grow together as a family and 425 00:20:56,780 --> 00:20:58,899 S7: as a church and as a community. 426 00:20:58,940 --> 00:21:00,660 S1: Wow. That's fabulous. By the way, I have a link 427 00:21:00,660 --> 00:21:03,020 S1: on my website if you're interested, if you want to 428 00:21:03,020 --> 00:21:05,139 S1: be involved, if you want your children involved, all of 429 00:21:05,180 --> 00:21:07,340 S1: that information is on our information page. And if you 430 00:21:07,340 --> 00:21:10,060 S1: have children. Well, in fact, I should ask, Patty, what 431 00:21:10,060 --> 00:21:12,620 S1: are the the age window that you're looking at for 432 00:21:12,619 --> 00:21:13,540 S1: kids to join? 433 00:21:13,900 --> 00:21:17,660 S7: Absolutely. Ages 5 to 18. So pretty much all of girlhood. 434 00:21:18,020 --> 00:21:21,540 S7: And we need to also underscore, Janet, that you're never 435 00:21:21,540 --> 00:21:25,020 S7: too old to be a volunteer with American Heritage Girls. 436 00:21:25,060 --> 00:21:28,379 S7: Right now. We are really encouraging women 50 and over 437 00:21:28,580 --> 00:21:31,760 S7: to give back to help raise up a generation. Deal 438 00:21:31,760 --> 00:21:34,480 S7: with Titus two. Approach and come and join the ranks 439 00:21:34,480 --> 00:21:36,480 S7: of American heritage girls and have a whole lot of 440 00:21:36,480 --> 00:21:37,479 S7: fun while you do it. 441 00:21:37,520 --> 00:21:39,920 S1: Yeah. No kidding. Wow. Okay, so now let me go 442 00:21:39,920 --> 00:21:43,439 S1: into the philosophical because again, for some people, this is 443 00:21:43,440 --> 00:21:45,600 S1: like speaking a foreign language. What do you mean building 444 00:21:45,600 --> 00:21:48,680 S1: moral character? So let me ask you some really rudimentary 445 00:21:48,680 --> 00:21:51,720 S1: questions here. What do we mean? Does it mean saying 446 00:21:51,720 --> 00:21:54,320 S1: yes and no and please and thank you? Or is 447 00:21:54,320 --> 00:21:57,120 S1: it something deeper or more transcendent than that? 448 00:21:57,600 --> 00:22:00,840 S7: It's much deeper. It is a biblical worldview that you 449 00:22:00,840 --> 00:22:04,239 S7: are able to frame all of your thoughts, all of 450 00:22:04,240 --> 00:22:07,720 S7: your opinions around this is a steadfast. This is why 451 00:22:07,720 --> 00:22:09,600 S7: the Lord gave us his love letter. Right of the 452 00:22:09,600 --> 00:22:12,479 S7: Bible is to teach us what is right and wrong. 453 00:22:12,520 --> 00:22:15,760 S7: And when. When you're teaching girls how to adults through 454 00:22:15,760 --> 00:22:19,359 S7: a biblical worldview, it changes everything for them. It suddenly 455 00:22:19,359 --> 00:22:23,360 S7: becomes less confusing and more clarity because that's the way 456 00:22:23,359 --> 00:22:25,960 S7: it's supposed to be. So when American Heritage girls, we 457 00:22:25,960 --> 00:22:31,220 S7: embrace a biblical worldview, we disdain moral relativism, because that 458 00:22:31,220 --> 00:22:34,020 S7: is just what has gotten this confusing culture when we 459 00:22:34,060 --> 00:22:37,380 S7: don't even know a man from a woman now. This 460 00:22:37,380 --> 00:22:39,540 S7: is the kind of clarity we need, and we're going 461 00:22:39,540 --> 00:22:41,899 S7: right back to Scripture where the Lord has laid it 462 00:22:41,900 --> 00:22:43,940 S7: out so, so long ago for us. 463 00:22:44,180 --> 00:22:46,900 S1: Wow. I want to point out that again, God has 464 00:22:46,900 --> 00:22:49,660 S1: just taken and blessed this ministry. You also have an 465 00:22:49,660 --> 00:22:52,700 S1: appearance in multiple countries. Do you not tell me about that? 466 00:22:52,859 --> 00:22:55,979 S7: Yes we do. We had decided, oh my goodness, the 467 00:22:55,980 --> 00:22:58,940 S7: Lord wants us to serve the entire country. We see that. 468 00:22:58,940 --> 00:23:03,540 S7: But also his military and his missionary families, they deserve 469 00:23:03,540 --> 00:23:05,820 S7: to have this as well. And so we're in 16 470 00:23:05,820 --> 00:23:09,620 S7: different countries serving those kinds of families. And oftentimes when 471 00:23:09,619 --> 00:23:12,379 S7: they come back stateside, if they do, they're able to 472 00:23:12,420 --> 00:23:15,380 S7: join a troop and really have the that's where the 473 00:23:15,380 --> 00:23:18,619 S7: real big benefit comes truly is through that tribe having 474 00:23:18,619 --> 00:23:21,940 S7: those girls alongside you growing and learning together. 475 00:23:22,140 --> 00:23:25,340 S1: Wow. I just read that the scouting program a little 476 00:23:25,380 --> 00:23:28,780 S1: bit different name in the UK is doing exactly what 477 00:23:28,810 --> 00:23:31,810 S1: you knew to do, and they're beginning to pull away 478 00:23:31,810 --> 00:23:34,930 S1: for exactly the same reasons, do you think? Well, you 479 00:23:34,930 --> 00:23:37,010 S1: and I have to view this through the lens of scripture. 480 00:23:37,170 --> 00:23:38,730 S1: Aslan is on the move. This is a mood of 481 00:23:38,730 --> 00:23:40,890 S1: the Lord, I think, to try to pull back and 482 00:23:40,890 --> 00:23:43,330 S1: to get people to these core ideas again so that 483 00:23:43,330 --> 00:23:45,609 S1: we can raise them. I'll say it boldly in the 484 00:23:45,609 --> 00:23:48,210 S1: nurture and admonition of the Lord. So watching them pull 485 00:23:48,250 --> 00:23:50,210 S1: back in the UK from the same thing, I think 486 00:23:50,250 --> 00:23:52,530 S1: is fascinating. I should also point out that you've got 487 00:23:52,530 --> 00:23:55,450 S1: a one minute program called Raising Godly Girls. It's airing 488 00:23:55,450 --> 00:23:57,970 S1: on hundreds and hundreds of stations all across the country. 489 00:23:57,970 --> 00:24:00,490 S1: But you also have a podcast. You're the co-host called 490 00:24:00,530 --> 00:24:05,970 S1: called Raising Godly Girls Podcast, specifically designed to equip, affirm 491 00:24:05,970 --> 00:24:09,130 S1: and strengthen parents, grandparents, and guardians in their journey to 492 00:24:09,170 --> 00:24:11,210 S1: build women of integrity. So you can learn more about 493 00:24:11,210 --> 00:24:13,810 S1: all of that by going to the website. And it's 494 00:24:13,810 --> 00:24:17,050 S1: very easy to find the website. It's American Heritage Girls 495 00:24:17,050 --> 00:24:20,609 S1: dot o r g American Heritage girls dot o r g. 496 00:24:20,890 --> 00:24:22,969 S1: They got a social presence everywhere. They're on X, they're 497 00:24:22,970 --> 00:24:25,530 S1: on Instagram, they're on Facebook. And also, I should tell 498 00:24:25,530 --> 00:24:27,909 S1: you that Patty wrote a fabulous book that really is 499 00:24:27,910 --> 00:24:30,270 S1: sort of the genesis of all of this. Called Why 500 00:24:30,310 --> 00:24:33,109 S1: Curse the Darkness when you Can Light a Candle? Patti, 501 00:24:33,109 --> 00:24:34,989 S1: the Lord bless you. I love checking in with you 502 00:24:34,990 --> 00:24:37,990 S1: and seeing how American Heritage Girls is doing. And it's 503 00:24:37,990 --> 00:24:40,590 S1: an all good news report. Let me take a break, friends. 504 00:24:40,590 --> 00:25:00,830 S1: We'll be right back after this. Christians are called to 505 00:25:00,830 --> 00:25:03,430 S1: go into the marketplace of ideas. Throughout history, men and 506 00:25:03,430 --> 00:25:06,270 S1: women of God have been thought leaders, innovators and forces 507 00:25:06,270 --> 00:25:08,670 S1: for good. We want this program to continue in that 508 00:25:08,670 --> 00:25:11,750 S1: bold tradition. Join me by becoming a partial partner. Your 509 00:25:11,750 --> 00:25:13,790 S1: monthly gift will make a difference as we help Christians 510 00:25:13,790 --> 00:25:16,510 S1: take a bold stand in the marketplace of ideas. Call 511 00:25:16,510 --> 00:25:20,469 S1: today 877 Janet 58 or go online to in the 512 00:25:20,470 --> 00:25:25,990 S1: market with Janet dot o r g. So just an 513 00:25:26,090 --> 00:25:29,689 S1: interesting fact. I hear in Washington, D.C. it's a little 514 00:25:29,730 --> 00:25:33,170 S1: after 630 at night, and I look out my window 515 00:25:33,450 --> 00:25:36,330 S1: and it's light. Now, that is an unusual. Except that 516 00:25:36,330 --> 00:25:38,530 S1: just turn back the clock. Oh, a few weeks and 517 00:25:38,530 --> 00:25:40,489 S1: I'd look out my window at this exact time and 518 00:25:40,490 --> 00:25:43,090 S1: it would be pitch black. Why, you say, is that 519 00:25:43,090 --> 00:25:47,409 S1: not happening? Because it's this little thing called daylight saving time. 520 00:25:47,770 --> 00:25:50,330 S1: What is it? Why do we do it? Why do 521 00:25:50,330 --> 00:25:52,810 S1: we feel so off when it happens? We're going to 522 00:25:52,810 --> 00:25:55,490 S1: dive into the science of sunlight in a little bit 523 00:25:55,490 --> 00:25:59,130 S1: with Doctor Jeff Zweerink, who's an astrophysicist. He's a research 524 00:25:59,130 --> 00:26:02,170 S1: scholar at Reasons to Believe. He got his PhD in 525 00:26:02,170 --> 00:26:05,970 S1: astrophysics from Iowa State University. His writing and speaking encouraged 526 00:26:05,970 --> 00:26:10,050 S1: people to consider the connection between scriptures, truth, and scientific evidence. 527 00:26:10,210 --> 00:26:13,610 S1: He's the author of Escaping the Beginning Question Mark. Is 528 00:26:13,609 --> 00:26:16,369 S1: there life out there? Question mark and Who's afraid of 529 00:26:16,369 --> 00:26:20,130 S1: the multiverse? Question Mark and co-author of Building Bridges and 530 00:26:20,130 --> 00:26:23,810 S1: the Impact Events devotional series, is also a project scientist 531 00:26:23,810 --> 00:26:27,310 S1: at UCLA. And they don't let just anybody do that. So, Jeff, 532 00:26:27,350 --> 00:26:29,109 S1: it is a joy to have you here. I am 533 00:26:29,109 --> 00:26:32,190 S1: fascinated by this topic, and I'm so glad that you 534 00:26:32,230 --> 00:26:35,190 S1: thought to speak into this, because it really tells us 535 00:26:35,190 --> 00:26:38,430 S1: about the magnificence of God's handiwork all around us, including 536 00:26:38,430 --> 00:26:41,670 S1: this idea of sunlight. So first of all, I guess 537 00:26:41,670 --> 00:26:43,670 S1: we did this because we were at one point in 538 00:26:43,670 --> 00:26:47,550 S1: time a mostly agrarian society, and it gave people a 539 00:26:47,550 --> 00:26:49,990 S1: longer time to work in the fields. And then it 540 00:26:49,990 --> 00:26:52,190 S1: became this act of Congress. And then we got some 541 00:26:52,190 --> 00:26:54,229 S1: states that split and do it and don't do it, 542 00:26:54,230 --> 00:26:55,629 S1: and now it's all over the board. And even the 543 00:26:55,630 --> 00:26:57,990 S1: president this year said, let's get rid of it completely. 544 00:26:58,190 --> 00:26:59,950 S1: I don't know if that's going to happen anytime soon. 545 00:26:59,950 --> 00:27:02,190 S1: For some reason, we're like a dog and a bone. 546 00:27:02,190 --> 00:27:04,669 S1: We don't want to touch this and yet nobody likes it. 547 00:27:04,670 --> 00:27:07,710 S1: So tell me just the background and why this happens. 548 00:27:07,710 --> 00:27:10,030 S1: And then we can talk about all of the impacts, 549 00:27:10,030 --> 00:27:12,990 S1: including the why did I feel so weird the next day? 550 00:27:14,350 --> 00:27:17,630 S8: Yeah. Well, it's a great, great intro because we've got 551 00:27:17,630 --> 00:27:20,990 S8: this thing where every year we set our clocks forward 552 00:27:20,990 --> 00:27:22,830 S8: one time, set it back the other time, and it 553 00:27:22,830 --> 00:27:26,050 S8: just seems to disrupt everything and it just seems really 554 00:27:26,050 --> 00:27:30,730 S8: almost scatterbrained considering today's society. But there's this real aspect 555 00:27:30,730 --> 00:27:32,730 S8: where we're where we're kind of trying to do two 556 00:27:32,730 --> 00:27:36,170 S8: different things. And there's this tension between them because on 557 00:27:36,170 --> 00:27:39,770 S8: the one hand, we love having 7:00 at 7:00 and 558 00:27:39,770 --> 00:27:42,490 S8: everybody's lined up and they know what 7:00 means, even 559 00:27:42,490 --> 00:27:45,770 S8: if your different time zones. And the other hand. And 560 00:27:45,770 --> 00:27:48,210 S8: so so that would order for just the continuity of 561 00:27:48,210 --> 00:27:50,970 S8: doing things, not changing it. But on the other hand, 562 00:27:51,010 --> 00:27:56,929 S8: we're also designed our wired to respond to daylight and 563 00:27:56,930 --> 00:28:00,330 S8: nighttime and various other cues. And so we've got this 564 00:28:00,330 --> 00:28:04,450 S8: tension between wanting to be awake. Our bodies just want 565 00:28:04,450 --> 00:28:07,130 S8: to be awake when it's light out. And yet we 566 00:28:07,130 --> 00:28:10,770 S8: aligned our daytime hours in such a way that they 567 00:28:10,770 --> 00:28:12,649 S8: don't line up. And so there's these kind of two, 568 00:28:13,050 --> 00:28:15,810 S8: two things that are in tension. And this is the idea. 569 00:28:15,810 --> 00:28:17,649 S8: We figured out how to deal with them right now. 570 00:28:17,970 --> 00:28:20,650 S1: Exactly right. You know, it's interesting. I think it's not 571 00:28:20,650 --> 00:28:24,120 S1: just human beings, but animals, all of my pets kind 572 00:28:24,119 --> 00:28:26,760 S1: of looked at me like, aren't you feeding me now? 573 00:28:26,880 --> 00:28:29,720 S1: I mean, everything was off. They were expecting a routine. 574 00:28:29,920 --> 00:28:31,760 S1: And that's a point I want to make with you, 575 00:28:31,760 --> 00:28:35,200 S1: which is what is it about rhythms and routines that's 576 00:28:35,200 --> 00:28:36,879 S1: inherent to the human experience? 577 00:28:38,240 --> 00:28:40,760 S8: It's just to the best I can say it. It 578 00:28:40,760 --> 00:28:43,680 S8: seems like God has designed us to be that way. 579 00:28:43,720 --> 00:28:48,600 S8: I mean, we see in human beings, our daily routine 580 00:28:48,640 --> 00:28:52,520 S8: is optimized at a 24 hour cycle, which lo and behold, 581 00:28:52,520 --> 00:28:56,120 S8: happens to correspond to the day night cycle in our 582 00:28:56,160 --> 00:28:58,840 S8: in our solar system here on earth or the Earth's 583 00:28:58,840 --> 00:29:01,680 S8: rotation rate. And so there are just certain things that 584 00:29:01,680 --> 00:29:05,120 S8: happen when light, when light starts to enter your eyes, 585 00:29:05,160 --> 00:29:10,080 S8: even through closed eyelids, your body starts producing less melatonin, 586 00:29:10,080 --> 00:29:13,600 S8: while melatonin is the hormone that helps you sleep well. 587 00:29:13,600 --> 00:29:15,920 S8: And so you start to wake up and then as 588 00:29:15,920 --> 00:29:18,320 S8: it gets dark in the evening, your body starts to 589 00:29:18,320 --> 00:29:22,459 S8: produce more melatonin. It's, it's, it's like God has designed this, 590 00:29:22,940 --> 00:29:26,220 S8: our bodies to operate in response to the environment, and 591 00:29:26,220 --> 00:29:30,020 S8: we see this incredible regularity in the environment. And so 592 00:29:30,020 --> 00:29:32,660 S8: the regularity of our bodies, the regularity of the environment, 593 00:29:32,660 --> 00:29:34,540 S8: are just kind of made to go hand in hand 594 00:29:34,540 --> 00:29:36,700 S8: with one another. So it really does to me. It 595 00:29:36,700 --> 00:29:40,340 S8: points to God's design that we're designed to have this 596 00:29:40,340 --> 00:29:43,100 S8: rhythm and regularity about the way we live. 597 00:29:43,140 --> 00:29:46,060 S1: Yeah, exactly. Not to make too fine a point of this, 598 00:29:46,060 --> 00:29:47,700 S1: but and I don't want to offend my friends who 599 00:29:47,700 --> 00:29:50,540 S1: work third shift. But, you know, isn't it interesting? I've 600 00:29:50,580 --> 00:29:53,380 S1: often just thought quietly when I'm having some private time 601 00:29:53,380 --> 00:29:55,740 S1: with the Lord. How interesting the concept of sleep is. 602 00:29:55,780 --> 00:29:57,540 S1: I mean, that whole idea of rest is very much 603 00:29:57,580 --> 00:30:00,660 S1: of a biblical idea, but this is a this is 604 00:30:00,660 --> 00:30:03,580 S1: part of the human experience where I will choose to 605 00:30:03,620 --> 00:30:07,660 S1: go into a state of semi-consciousness and I can do it. 606 00:30:07,660 --> 00:30:10,020 S1: I can do it electively and I can. My body 607 00:30:10,020 --> 00:30:12,739 S1: repairs and heals. My lymphatic system drains. I mean, all 608 00:30:12,780 --> 00:30:15,180 S1: of these. There's reparative work that gets taking place at 609 00:30:15,180 --> 00:30:17,140 S1: night while I'm sleeping and I don't even know it. 610 00:30:17,140 --> 00:30:19,060 S1: And then you wake up and you start a brand 611 00:30:19,060 --> 00:30:22,840 S1: new day. So. But it doesn't rhythm follow the idea 612 00:30:22,840 --> 00:30:26,360 S1: that God creates the world in an orderly fashion, that 613 00:30:26,360 --> 00:30:28,920 S1: there are patterns that we see in his creation as well. 614 00:30:28,920 --> 00:30:31,120 S1: So the fact that there would be a pattern to 615 00:30:31,120 --> 00:30:34,560 S1: day and night shouldn't come as a surprise. Talk to 616 00:30:34,560 --> 00:30:36,560 S1: me about the benefit of sun. Is there a benefit 617 00:30:36,560 --> 00:30:37,120 S1: to sun? 618 00:30:38,440 --> 00:30:42,160 S8: There really is. I mean, among other things. You know, 619 00:30:42,200 --> 00:30:45,360 S8: just one specific thing you can talk about is the 620 00:30:45,360 --> 00:30:49,640 S8: generation of vitamin D in your bodies. And vitamin D 621 00:30:50,120 --> 00:30:53,720 S8: has a whole slew of healthy benefits. And one of 622 00:30:53,720 --> 00:30:57,520 S8: the long standing ways you get vitamin D is low. 623 00:30:57,520 --> 00:31:02,000 S8: And behold, in our skin, there are molecules and chemical 624 00:31:02,000 --> 00:31:05,320 S8: systems that take the sun's ultraviolet rays, convert them into 625 00:31:05,320 --> 00:31:08,840 S8: vitamin D, that particular type of vitamin D then goes 626 00:31:08,840 --> 00:31:11,480 S8: through the liver and the kidneys, and it gets converted 627 00:31:11,480 --> 00:31:15,080 S8: into another, more active form of vitamin D, which will 628 00:31:15,080 --> 00:31:18,860 S8: dissolve calcium out of your bloodstream and other fluid systems 629 00:31:18,860 --> 00:31:23,540 S8: and build your skeleton. And so without ever having to eat, 630 00:31:23,540 --> 00:31:26,980 S8: you can just by spending a, a, a, a, a, 631 00:31:27,260 --> 00:31:29,660 S8: you can actually tell how much time depending on where 632 00:31:29,660 --> 00:31:32,060 S8: you are, what latitude, because there's more sun in Kansas 633 00:31:32,060 --> 00:31:34,260 S8: City than there are less sun in Kansas City than 634 00:31:34,260 --> 00:31:37,380 S8: there is down in Florida, obviously. And it's also colder, 635 00:31:37,420 --> 00:31:40,420 S8: you know. So how much how much skin cover you have. 636 00:31:40,460 --> 00:31:42,220 S8: But you can tell how much time you need in 637 00:31:42,220 --> 00:31:44,380 S8: the sun. And your sun will produce. The sun will 638 00:31:44,380 --> 00:31:47,700 S8: produce all of the vitamin D you need. And that 639 00:31:47,700 --> 00:31:53,180 S8: vitamin D has influence is in how well your bones work. 640 00:31:53,220 --> 00:31:57,060 S8: It has. It influences your immune system and how much 641 00:31:57,060 --> 00:31:59,700 S8: inflammation there is in your body, and it influences your 642 00:31:59,700 --> 00:32:03,100 S8: mood and all sorts of other things. And what's fascinating 643 00:32:03,140 --> 00:32:06,580 S8: to me is that obviously we can do things to 644 00:32:06,580 --> 00:32:08,260 S8: where we say, okay, we want to take supplements and 645 00:32:08,260 --> 00:32:11,100 S8: make sure we get enough vitamin D, or we make 646 00:32:11,140 --> 00:32:13,700 S8: sure we eat enough types of fish that have vitamin 647 00:32:13,700 --> 00:32:17,960 S8: D in it. But this important hormone that is so 648 00:32:18,280 --> 00:32:20,800 S8: essential to our body's functioning day in and day out 649 00:32:20,800 --> 00:32:24,520 S8: and being strong. Our body just naturally produces if we're 650 00:32:24,520 --> 00:32:25,280 S8: out in the sun. 651 00:32:25,520 --> 00:32:28,080 S1: Yeah. Yeah. And I was thinking when you were talking, 652 00:32:28,080 --> 00:32:30,400 S1: I'm fascinated by the world of medicine. And as you 653 00:32:30,400 --> 00:32:32,480 S1: were talking, I was thinking of two things that we 654 00:32:32,520 --> 00:32:34,600 S1: don't do in the United States anymore. But looking back, 655 00:32:34,600 --> 00:32:37,240 S1: there was some real wisdom there. So once upon a time, 656 00:32:37,240 --> 00:32:39,320 S1: it was not uncommon for mamas to push their baby 657 00:32:39,320 --> 00:32:43,240 S1: strollers outside and the babies would be put outside specifically 658 00:32:43,240 --> 00:32:45,640 S1: so they would be exposed to vitamin D. We had 659 00:32:45,640 --> 00:32:48,720 S1: the TB sanitariums that would put the patients outside A. 660 00:32:48,720 --> 00:32:51,000 S1: The air was clear, but B the idea was that 661 00:32:51,000 --> 00:32:54,600 S1: they thought that the sunshine was healing, helping to heal 662 00:32:54,640 --> 00:32:57,520 S1: tuberculous patients. So they. I don't know if they drew 663 00:32:57,520 --> 00:32:59,520 S1: the connection to vitamin D and all of the things 664 00:32:59,520 --> 00:33:02,320 S1: it does for our immune system, bone strength, etc. but 665 00:33:02,320 --> 00:33:05,160 S1: they knew at some level that there was something beneficial. 666 00:33:05,160 --> 00:33:07,920 S1: If you go back, uh, just in the Middle Ages 667 00:33:07,920 --> 00:33:10,680 S1: in history, why did people sleep with their windows open? 668 00:33:10,680 --> 00:33:12,920 S1: Because they wanted fresh air and they wanted exposure to 669 00:33:12,960 --> 00:33:16,030 S1: what was going on outside. But if I just hit 670 00:33:16,030 --> 00:33:18,750 S1: the pause button. And for the overwhelming majority of us 671 00:33:18,750 --> 00:33:22,190 S1: who are not astrophysicists in this conversation, it just gives 672 00:33:22,190 --> 00:33:25,270 S1: me pause that God is so big and so purposeful 673 00:33:25,270 --> 00:33:27,990 S1: that he would create a universe where even being out 674 00:33:27,990 --> 00:33:30,390 S1: in his world would be beneficial to our health. 675 00:33:31,590 --> 00:33:34,070 S8: Amen. And I couldn't say it more. I couldn't say 676 00:33:34,070 --> 00:33:37,590 S8: it better than that. And what there's another part of 677 00:33:37,590 --> 00:33:40,230 S8: this that I find really fascinating about how God has 678 00:33:40,230 --> 00:33:44,030 S8: designed things, because everything I just said about how our 679 00:33:44,030 --> 00:33:47,070 S8: bodies convert sunlight into vitamin D and make that as 680 00:33:47,070 --> 00:33:50,430 S8: entirely true. And yet at the same time, if you 681 00:33:50,430 --> 00:33:53,710 S8: spend too much time out in the sun, the ultraviolet 682 00:33:53,710 --> 00:33:57,070 S8: rays will cause damage to your skin and give you cancer. 683 00:33:57,110 --> 00:34:00,950 S8: And so we've got kind of this. It's almost like 684 00:34:01,750 --> 00:34:03,710 S8: to me, it seems like God has set up all right, 685 00:34:03,750 --> 00:34:06,230 S8: the system works well, but you have to understand it. 686 00:34:06,430 --> 00:34:08,670 S8: You can't just go out and abuse it, or you 687 00:34:08,670 --> 00:34:10,230 S8: can't just go out and act like it's not there. 688 00:34:10,230 --> 00:34:12,590 S8: You have to understand you need some, but not too much. 689 00:34:12,590 --> 00:34:17,370 S8: There's this. He's invited us into understanding it well so 690 00:34:17,370 --> 00:34:20,049 S8: that we use it, so that we behave well in it, 691 00:34:20,050 --> 00:34:22,970 S8: and we adapt to it and live the way he's 692 00:34:22,969 --> 00:34:25,090 S8: designed for us. It's not just go spend all the 693 00:34:25,090 --> 00:34:26,890 S8: time in the sun, spend no time in the sun. 694 00:34:27,570 --> 00:34:28,969 S8: It requires wisdom. 695 00:34:29,810 --> 00:34:30,090 S1: Yeah. 696 00:34:30,130 --> 00:34:31,570 S8: And I find that fascinating. 697 00:34:31,810 --> 00:34:34,009 S1: I do too, especially when the scripture tells us to 698 00:34:34,050 --> 00:34:36,290 S1: get wisdom. It's not a mild directive. It's a clear 699 00:34:36,330 --> 00:34:39,049 S1: directive to get wisdom. So and I think that's in 700 00:34:39,050 --> 00:34:41,250 S1: all things, by the way, it isn't just spiritual understanding, 701 00:34:41,250 --> 00:34:43,569 S1: but it's really being wise about the world in which 702 00:34:43,570 --> 00:34:46,250 S1: you live. And you just gave this beautiful example about 703 00:34:46,250 --> 00:34:48,609 S1: the sun. So yes, sun's great for us. Everybody needs 704 00:34:48,610 --> 00:34:50,529 S1: to get that vitamin D, stay out there too long 705 00:34:50,530 --> 00:34:53,049 S1: and you'll get skin cancer. So, I mean, it's the 706 00:34:53,050 --> 00:34:56,689 S1: wisdom of knowing when enough is enough. But again, that 707 00:34:56,690 --> 00:34:59,770 S1: just goes as a basic transcendent principle of God's Word 708 00:34:59,770 --> 00:35:02,330 S1: to us, which is the idea of seeking wisdom, which 709 00:35:02,330 --> 00:35:04,770 S1: is out there. Um, let me dive a little bit 710 00:35:04,770 --> 00:35:09,250 S1: into this idea about creation and rhythm and what the, 711 00:35:09,489 --> 00:35:12,950 S1: what creation tells us about the reliability of God. You know, 712 00:35:12,989 --> 00:35:15,270 S1: it's a fascinating conversation. Why is it let me just 713 00:35:15,270 --> 00:35:17,550 S1: start with the transcendent question. Why is it that a 714 00:35:17,590 --> 00:35:20,430 S1: lot of people feel drawn to God more in nature 715 00:35:20,430 --> 00:35:21,790 S1: than they do any place else? 716 00:35:24,070 --> 00:35:27,030 S8: I think Christianity has provided a great answer for that, 717 00:35:27,030 --> 00:35:32,950 S8: because Christianity has long recognized that God doesn't just reveal 718 00:35:32,950 --> 00:35:37,149 S8: himself in Scripture, but he reveals himself in creation. And 719 00:35:37,150 --> 00:35:40,149 S8: so when we go out, I mean, you spent time 720 00:35:40,150 --> 00:35:43,310 S8: reading in Scripture and you learn about God's justice and 721 00:35:43,310 --> 00:35:47,149 S8: his mercy and his compassion and his loving kindness, and 722 00:35:47,150 --> 00:35:49,350 S8: you go out and you look in creation, and there 723 00:35:49,350 --> 00:35:55,430 S8: is this order and regularity and beauty and purposefulness to it. 724 00:35:55,430 --> 00:35:57,390 S8: And I think the more we go out and just 725 00:35:57,390 --> 00:36:00,670 S8: see that it doesn't take a rocket scientist, when you 726 00:36:00,670 --> 00:36:03,750 S8: go out and you see a stream flowing down through 727 00:36:03,750 --> 00:36:08,110 S8: the woods, it's just kind of awe inspiring because even 728 00:36:08,110 --> 00:36:10,790 S8: if we don't understand all the mechanisms, we see that 729 00:36:10,790 --> 00:36:13,410 S8: God's is behind it and we start to see him better. 730 00:36:13,450 --> 00:36:15,810 S1: Yeah. Wow. Well, I'm glad I have more time with 731 00:36:15,810 --> 00:36:17,610 S1: you because there's so many things I want to examine. 732 00:36:17,610 --> 00:36:19,650 S1: Doctor Jeff Zwink is with us. He is a research 733 00:36:19,650 --> 00:36:25,330 S1: scholar at Reasons to Believe. Easy website to remember reasons.org reasons. 734 00:36:26,530 --> 00:36:28,530 S1: Just to get you started. If you've not been introduced 735 00:36:28,530 --> 00:36:30,810 S1: to this fabulous ministry, they put out a newsletter. So 736 00:36:30,810 --> 00:36:33,290 S1: I've got a link in my information page to the 737 00:36:33,290 --> 00:36:36,009 S1: latest newsletter so that you can learn more. If you're 738 00:36:36,010 --> 00:36:38,530 S1: one of those people who think that science and Scripture 739 00:36:38,570 --> 00:36:40,290 S1: are at war with one another, then you really get 740 00:36:40,290 --> 00:36:42,529 S1: to know you need to know this ministry because they're 741 00:36:42,530 --> 00:36:45,129 S1: going to put your mind to rest. They've got great, learned, 742 00:36:45,130 --> 00:37:06,330 S1: educated people like Jeff Beck after this. So the word 743 00:37:06,330 --> 00:37:11,670 S1: astrophysicist is defined as a scientist who applies physics to principle. Physics. 744 00:37:11,710 --> 00:37:16,910 S1: Physics principles to study celestial bodies. Stars, planets, galaxies to 745 00:37:16,950 --> 00:37:21,470 S1: understand the universe's behavior and origin. It's as much philosophy, 746 00:37:21,469 --> 00:37:23,270 S1: it seems to me, as it is science, but it's 747 00:37:23,270 --> 00:37:26,469 S1: who Doctor Jeff Zwink is. He is an astrophysicist. He's 748 00:37:26,469 --> 00:37:29,630 S1: also a research fellow at Reasons to Believe got his PhD. 749 00:37:29,670 --> 00:37:32,830 S1: As I noted earlier in astrophysics from Iowa State University. 750 00:37:33,070 --> 00:37:36,149 S1: He's a wonderful writer, he's a brilliant thinker, and he's 751 00:37:36,150 --> 00:37:39,270 S1: also a project scientist at UCLA. So we took just 752 00:37:39,270 --> 00:37:41,510 S1: a few minutes to examine the whole idea of daylight 753 00:37:41,550 --> 00:37:45,470 S1: savings time and how God creates rhythms and patterns, and 754 00:37:45,469 --> 00:37:48,350 S1: even the heavens declare his glory. And the seasons are 755 00:37:48,350 --> 00:37:50,750 S1: all ways in which we can trust him because we 756 00:37:50,750 --> 00:37:54,230 S1: see his handiwork all around us. Let me transcend the earth. 757 00:37:54,230 --> 00:37:55,750 S1: And let me ask you a couple of questions. And 758 00:37:55,750 --> 00:37:57,469 S1: this is totally off topic, Jeff, but I know you 759 00:37:57,469 --> 00:37:59,390 S1: can talk about this in your sleep. So I want 760 00:37:59,430 --> 00:38:02,630 S1: to ask you a couple of questions. Um, Hollywood is 761 00:38:02,630 --> 00:38:06,750 S1: constantly probing this idea that, um, even though they don't 762 00:38:06,750 --> 00:38:09,100 S1: say it declaratively, it's a subtext in so many films 763 00:38:09,100 --> 00:38:11,540 S1: that there is a war between science and religion. And 764 00:38:11,540 --> 00:38:13,419 S1: I'll give you another example. So there's a new film 765 00:38:13,420 --> 00:38:16,060 S1: coming out. A director who's very famous is doing a 766 00:38:16,060 --> 00:38:21,300 S1: film be released in mid-summer of 2026, that really is 767 00:38:21,300 --> 00:38:26,460 S1: about exploring a world changing event rumored as a UFO story. 768 00:38:26,620 --> 00:38:30,500 S1: And a nun hears science and religion is saying, well, 769 00:38:30,500 --> 00:38:32,779 S1: it would be selfish to think that we have. We 770 00:38:32,820 --> 00:38:37,020 S1: are here all by ourselves. I would be fascinated to 771 00:38:37,060 --> 00:38:40,100 S1: ask you, as you look up in that starry, starry sky, 772 00:38:40,380 --> 00:38:43,540 S1: and you have more knowledge about the stars and the 773 00:38:43,540 --> 00:38:46,500 S1: planets than most of us do, what do you think 774 00:38:46,500 --> 00:38:50,540 S1: when you look into that darkness that that eternality? The 775 00:38:50,540 --> 00:38:53,180 S1: only kind of aspect of eternity we have is by 776 00:38:53,219 --> 00:38:55,620 S1: looking up into an endless sky. What what goes through 777 00:38:55,660 --> 00:38:56,220 S1: your mind? 778 00:38:58,540 --> 00:39:02,900 S8: The what goes through my mind is honestly just how 779 00:39:02,900 --> 00:39:07,960 S8: big and how vast and how varied our universe is. 780 00:39:08,000 --> 00:39:10,160 S8: I mean, so we can just look at our Milky 781 00:39:10,200 --> 00:39:14,300 S8: Way galaxy alone. It's got somewhere between 200 to 400 782 00:39:14,300 --> 00:39:17,560 S8: billion stars in it. And as we're looking out with 783 00:39:17,560 --> 00:39:22,720 S8: our telescopes, we on average, you know, you can calculate 784 00:39:22,760 --> 00:39:26,720 S8: of the few thousands of planets we found orbiting stars 785 00:39:26,719 --> 00:39:30,080 S8: relatively close to us, you can kind of calculate how 786 00:39:30,080 --> 00:39:33,560 S8: many stars or planets there are in our galaxy. And 787 00:39:33,920 --> 00:39:38,480 S8: on average, there is about one roughly earth sized planet 788 00:39:38,480 --> 00:39:41,880 S8: for every star in our galaxy. That means there's probably 789 00:39:41,880 --> 00:39:45,719 S8: 200 billion planets that are earth sized or larger in 790 00:39:45,719 --> 00:39:48,520 S8: our galaxy alone. So that's just a lot of that's 791 00:39:48,520 --> 00:39:52,400 S8: a lot of planets. And our galaxy is one amongst, 792 00:39:52,719 --> 00:39:54,600 S8: you know, maybe a trillion that are out there. So 793 00:39:54,640 --> 00:39:57,440 S8: that's a lot of stuff out there. Now, the question 794 00:39:57,440 --> 00:40:02,240 S8: in my mind though, is it takes a lot for 795 00:40:02,239 --> 00:40:05,000 S8: a planet to be habitable. And we, you know, the 796 00:40:05,040 --> 00:40:11,340 S8: scientific community is notoriously generous in what it considers habitable. 797 00:40:11,340 --> 00:40:13,940 S8: It says, well, if it's the right distance from a star, 798 00:40:14,300 --> 00:40:18,620 S8: it should get enough radiation. That liquid water could exist there. Well, 799 00:40:18,620 --> 00:40:22,300 S8: we know from looking at planet earth that you put 800 00:40:22,340 --> 00:40:24,100 S8: planet earth here, and you don't put the right kind 801 00:40:24,140 --> 00:40:26,620 S8: of atmosphere. And our planet, all the water is frozen 802 00:40:26,620 --> 00:40:28,020 S8: all the time. And if you put the wrong kind 803 00:40:28,060 --> 00:40:31,460 S8: of atmosphere, the plant, all the water boils off. So 804 00:40:31,460 --> 00:40:34,580 S8: there's a whole lot more going on to a habitable planet. 805 00:40:35,180 --> 00:40:37,660 S8: But at the end of the day, what I'm confronted 806 00:40:37,660 --> 00:40:42,219 S8: with is I look at Scripture and I ask the question, 807 00:40:42,219 --> 00:40:44,540 S8: are we the only life in the universe? And I 808 00:40:44,540 --> 00:40:47,299 S8: don't know that scripture gives us a definitive answer. 809 00:40:47,500 --> 00:40:48,020 S1: Mhm. 810 00:40:48,460 --> 00:40:51,819 S8: You know, God created the angelic realm, which it's not 811 00:40:51,820 --> 00:40:55,820 S8: physical beings, but it's another kind of being. He's created us. 812 00:40:56,180 --> 00:40:58,700 S8: It really does raise the question in my mind, might 813 00:40:58,700 --> 00:41:00,899 S8: God have created other life out there? And so I 814 00:41:00,900 --> 00:41:04,580 S8: think it's a fascinating scientific question to go out and explore. 815 00:41:05,120 --> 00:41:08,799 S8: and it's one. Honestly, the. These movies often want to 816 00:41:08,800 --> 00:41:12,400 S8: portray it as though science is out here exploring and 817 00:41:12,400 --> 00:41:15,200 S8: discovering new territory, and religion is just going to be 818 00:41:15,239 --> 00:41:19,400 S8: washed up. Well, Christians have thought about this idea for 819 00:41:19,440 --> 00:41:23,880 S8: thousands of years at least. You can document where Christians 820 00:41:23,880 --> 00:41:27,799 S8: are talking about this 1000, 2000 years ago. And so 821 00:41:27,800 --> 00:41:30,280 S8: Christians have thought about what would happen if we find 822 00:41:30,320 --> 00:41:34,480 S8: life out there. They've thought about that long before scientists 823 00:41:34,520 --> 00:41:37,320 S8: even had a place at the table to join the conversation. 824 00:41:37,680 --> 00:41:40,279 S8: And so I think Christianity has a very robust way 825 00:41:40,280 --> 00:41:43,360 S8: of thinking about the search for life, whether we find 826 00:41:43,400 --> 00:41:46,120 S8: life out there, whether we don't find life out there. 827 00:41:46,520 --> 00:41:48,440 S8: Christians have thought about this. In fact, I'll give you 828 00:41:48,440 --> 00:41:53,520 S8: two specific examples. Galileo. Galileo was a very devout Christian 829 00:41:54,080 --> 00:41:57,440 S8: who thought that earth was the only planet that had 830 00:41:57,440 --> 00:42:01,080 S8: life on it. His contemporary, Johannes Kepler, was also a 831 00:42:01,080 --> 00:42:04,819 S8: very devout Christian, and he thought that every everybody out 832 00:42:04,820 --> 00:42:08,540 S8: there had life on it. These were both two devout 833 00:42:08,540 --> 00:42:11,739 S8: Christians who just had different ideas on that. And they thought, hey, 834 00:42:11,739 --> 00:42:14,060 S8: let's go out and explore the cosmos to see if 835 00:42:14,060 --> 00:42:16,540 S8: we can find an answer for it. Christians have been 836 00:42:16,540 --> 00:42:19,660 S8: doing this for a long time. I get what you're 837 00:42:19,660 --> 00:42:21,899 S8: talking about in these movies. They want to portray this 838 00:42:21,900 --> 00:42:25,180 S8: as religion altering, like it's just going to destroy all religions, 839 00:42:25,180 --> 00:42:27,140 S8: but it's just not the truth. When you look at 840 00:42:27,140 --> 00:42:28,700 S8: the history of Christianity. 841 00:42:28,780 --> 00:42:30,940 S1: What a brilliant insight on your part. Jeff. I so 842 00:42:30,940 --> 00:42:33,739 S1: appreciate that. And so let me extrapolate a couple of 843 00:42:33,739 --> 00:42:35,500 S1: things I heard you say that I think are fascinating. 844 00:42:35,540 --> 00:42:38,460 S1: Number one, I think that Hollywood is fomenting the idea 845 00:42:38,460 --> 00:42:40,899 S1: that science and religion are at war because they're not. 846 00:42:40,900 --> 00:42:44,380 S1: And you just gave two perfect examples of the perfect 847 00:42:44,380 --> 00:42:47,459 S1: example for people who had a biblical worldview and were 848 00:42:47,460 --> 00:42:49,660 S1: also in the scientific community, and did not see that 849 00:42:49,660 --> 00:42:53,300 S1: as being contraindicated, that they could coexist in both worlds. 850 00:42:53,340 --> 00:42:56,660 S1: Number two, we don't have a definitive answer in scripture. 851 00:42:56,660 --> 00:42:59,620 S1: And number three, we may never have a definitive answer 852 00:42:59,620 --> 00:43:01,540 S1: in the scientific realm. Is that right? 853 00:43:02,330 --> 00:43:05,410 S8: That's right. I mean, if you just look at the 854 00:43:05,410 --> 00:43:09,009 S8: technology we have today, the best we can do is 855 00:43:09,010 --> 00:43:11,610 S8: say there's a planet that's orbiting this kind of star 856 00:43:11,610 --> 00:43:15,890 S8: and it's about this size. We have very limited information 857 00:43:15,890 --> 00:43:19,129 S8: occasionally about the atmosphere. But we of all the of 858 00:43:19,170 --> 00:43:22,210 S8: the I think we've found 7 or 8000 planets, if 859 00:43:22,210 --> 00:43:25,930 S8: I'm correct, outside our solar system. None of those. Can 860 00:43:25,930 --> 00:43:28,650 S8: we measure what the actual surface is like to know 861 00:43:28,650 --> 00:43:32,450 S8: whether there's any liquid water on it? So I'm optimistic 862 00:43:32,450 --> 00:43:35,689 S8: that within the next ten, 20, maybe 30 years, we're 863 00:43:35,690 --> 00:43:37,890 S8: going to develop technology that it might allow us to 864 00:43:37,969 --> 00:43:41,089 S8: find something that's actually earth like and see what its 865 00:43:41,090 --> 00:43:43,890 S8: surface looks like. But being able to find life on 866 00:43:43,890 --> 00:43:46,969 S8: another planet is a really challenging scientific endeavor. I think 867 00:43:46,969 --> 00:43:49,730 S8: it's fascinating to do. But you do have to realize 868 00:43:49,730 --> 00:43:51,730 S8: it's going to be a long time before science is 869 00:43:51,730 --> 00:43:52,930 S8: going to answer this question. 870 00:43:53,210 --> 00:43:56,330 S1: I think so. One last question, because curious minds want 871 00:43:56,330 --> 00:43:59,010 S1: to know, is Elon Musk going to take Mars completely 872 00:43:59,010 --> 00:44:00,330 S1: and set up a habitat there? 873 00:44:02,070 --> 00:44:06,070 S8: I'm going to. Mars is tough. We like to think. Life. 874 00:44:06,510 --> 00:44:09,550 S8: Life flourishes anywhere, but earth is really designed for life. 875 00:44:09,550 --> 00:44:10,669 S8: And Mars is pretty hot. 876 00:44:11,590 --> 00:44:14,469 S1: There you go. The perfect answer. Jeff. That went by 877 00:44:14,510 --> 00:44:16,750 S1: far too quickly, but it was fascinating, every bit of it. 878 00:44:16,750 --> 00:44:18,630 S1: Thank you for that. And I want our friends to 879 00:44:18,670 --> 00:44:21,910 S1: know more about your wonderful ministry. Reasons to believe this 880 00:44:21,910 --> 00:44:24,509 S1: is a great ministry. Again, if you have a friend 881 00:44:24,550 --> 00:44:26,830 S1: who thinks that religion and science are in conflict with 882 00:44:26,830 --> 00:44:30,270 S1: one another, this is a brilliant ministry to really take 883 00:44:30,270 --> 00:44:33,030 S1: care of that problem. They have a newsletter, excellent books 884 00:44:33,030 --> 00:44:39,270 S1: that they put out, wonderful materials, easy website to remember, reasons.reasons.org. 885 00:44:39,630 --> 00:44:41,630 S1: I think Doctor Jeff's rank for being with us, and 886 00:44:41,630 --> 00:44:43,710 S1: I thank you for joining us as well. This program 887 00:44:43,710 --> 00:44:46,750 S1: is designed to help you think critically and biblically. And 888 00:44:46,750 --> 00:44:49,110 S1: that is not, for the record, a multiple choice test. 889 00:44:49,110 --> 00:44:51,230 S1: It is a both end. Thanks so much for joining us. 890 00:44:51,230 --> 00:44:53,149 S1: We'll see you next time on In the Market with 891 00:44:53,150 --> 00:44:54,110 S1: Janet Parshall.