WEBVTT - Meeting Corrie ten Boom 0:00:08.030 --> 0:00:11.240 When the Nazis invaded Holland, they made it illegal for 0:00:11.240 --> 0:00:14.930 anyone to house or even help a Jewish person. Corrie 0:00:14.930 --> 0:00:17.299 ten boom and her family decided they simply could not 0:00:17.300 --> 0:00:20.600 obey this evil dictate, so they began hiding small groups 0:00:20.600 --> 0:00:24.140 of Jewish people and others who sought refuge. You've heard 0:00:24.140 --> 0:00:26.840 of Corrie ten boom? Perhaps, but her story comes to 0:00:26.840 --> 0:00:30.290 life through a dramatic interpreter coming up. Hey, welcome to 0:00:30.290 --> 0:00:32.930 the land and the book. Our host is Charlie Dyer. 0:00:32.930 --> 0:00:35.900 I'm John Jaeger, and this week we have done something 0:00:35.900 --> 0:00:38.870 a little on the crazy side. We've traveled to Israel. 0:00:39.050 --> 0:00:42.320 Charlie explained why we're here and what we're about, what 0:00:42.320 --> 0:00:43.430 we're gathering interviews and. 0:00:43.430 --> 0:00:46.130 Stories because we want to do a special for Moody 0:00:46.130 --> 0:00:49.610 Radio Israel after the war. So we've lined up a 0:00:49.610 --> 0:00:51.950 lot of people from the Gaza border all the way 0:00:51.950 --> 0:00:54.140 up to the Sea of Galilee to talk, to find 0:00:54.140 --> 0:00:57.290 out what's been happening and just look for a rather 0:00:57.290 --> 0:01:00.830 exciting time. And so hopefully people can stay tuned because 0:01:00.830 --> 0:01:02.630 a special will be coming shortly. 0:01:02.630 --> 0:01:04.880 Yes, Charlie says, keep an ear out for that special, 0:01:04.880 --> 0:01:06.860 which you'll be able to connect with either through this 0:01:06.860 --> 0:01:10.460 station or certainly online. And we're looking forward, as he says, 0:01:10.459 --> 0:01:13.429 to talking with survivors, people who were actually in those 0:01:13.430 --> 0:01:16.730 kibbutzim that were attacked, ministries that have been impacted, and 0:01:16.730 --> 0:01:20.870 so much more. Well, Charlie, Passover will soon be upon us. 0:01:20.870 --> 0:01:24.350 And one of the traditional Passover questions is what makes 0:01:24.350 --> 0:01:28.010 this night different from all others? Passover is an important 0:01:28.010 --> 0:01:31.039 biblical holiday that has great meaning for both Jewish people 0:01:31.040 --> 0:01:34.070 and believers in Jesus. But this is a great question 0:01:34.069 --> 0:01:37.280 to ask. What makes this night different from all others? 0:01:37.280 --> 0:01:39.080 That's right. 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Org. 0:02:14.150 --> 0:02:16.430 Well, lots to talk about in the Middle East. So 0:02:16.430 --> 0:02:19.580 let's begin with story number one from Jerusalem all the 0:02:19.580 --> 0:02:22.760 way north to Mount Hermon, Israel has experienced a very 0:02:22.760 --> 0:02:26.780 above average winter weather wise. Well, how has the rain 0:02:26.780 --> 0:02:29.060 impacted the country and will it continue? 0:02:29.060 --> 0:02:30.890 Yeah. You know, if rain is a blessing, then the 0:02:30.889 --> 0:02:33.980 northern half of Israel has definitely been blessed so far 0:02:33.980 --> 0:02:38.180 this winter. Draw an East-West line through Israel right at Jerusalem. 0:02:38.180 --> 0:02:40.910 Head north and the amount of rain is above average. 0:02:40.970 --> 0:02:45.740 For example, at Capernaum they've received so far this year 170% 0:02:45.740 --> 0:02:48.860 of their normal to date rainfall. The water level at 0:02:48.860 --> 0:02:51.140 the Sea of Galilee is now three feet below the 0:02:51.139 --> 0:02:54.440 upper red line, which is when the lake is completely filled. 0:02:54.590 --> 0:02:57.050 It will keep rising as the rain that fell in 0:02:57.050 --> 0:02:59.750 the far north makes its way down toward the lake. 0:02:59.750 --> 0:03:02.270 In fact, it could reach capacity by the end of 0:03:02.270 --> 0:03:04.490 this month. The dam at the southern end of the 0:03:04.490 --> 0:03:06.620 lake would then need to be opened for the first 0:03:06.620 --> 0:03:10.070 time in decades, but head to the south of Jerusalem 0:03:10.070 --> 0:03:15.050 and the situation changes dramatically. Beersheba has only received about 50% 0:03:15.050 --> 0:03:18.079 of their normal to date winter rainfall, and other places 0:03:18.080 --> 0:03:20.510 down in the Negev have only received about a third 0:03:20.510 --> 0:03:23.450 of their normal rainfall. There's at least another month when 0:03:23.450 --> 0:03:27.470 rain can be expected, so the numbers could still change dramatically. 0:03:27.470 --> 0:03:29.780 The wheat farmers in the South are certainly hoping for 0:03:29.780 --> 0:03:33.679 more rain before it's time to harvest. Right now, northern 0:03:33.680 --> 0:03:36.680 Israel is definitely green and lush, and they're calling for 0:03:36.680 --> 0:03:39.440 a little more rain later this week. The long range 0:03:39.440 --> 0:03:43.010 forecast also shows several other periods of rain that might 0:03:43.010 --> 0:03:46.100 arrive later in the month. Seeing all the lush green 0:03:46.100 --> 0:03:48.950 vegetation in the north, along with a nearly full Sea 0:03:48.950 --> 0:03:51.500 of Galilee, is definitely a blessing. 0:03:51.620 --> 0:03:55.490 Well, the conflict between Israel and Hamas continues, but there 0:03:55.490 --> 0:03:59.360 are some hopeful signs the tensions might be about to ease. 0:03:59.360 --> 0:04:02.030 What's the latest on the war, Charlie? And how realistic 0:04:02.030 --> 0:04:05.270 are these hints? We're hearing about hints of progress coming 0:04:05.270 --> 0:04:06.170 from the region. 0:04:06.440 --> 0:04:09.589 Well, after five months, it's difficult to become too excited 0:04:09.590 --> 0:04:12.800 over reports of possible breakthroughs, but there are at least 0:04:12.800 --> 0:04:15.860 some hints of progress. A new round of hostage talks 0:04:15.860 --> 0:04:19.250 are underway. They're still discussing whether they can agree on 0:04:19.250 --> 0:04:22.820 a specific framework for negotiation. So there's a long way 0:04:22.820 --> 0:04:25.940 to go. Some are hoping a temporary ceasefire can be 0:04:25.940 --> 0:04:28.430 arranged in the next week or so. That would allow 0:04:28.430 --> 0:04:32.180 for the release of the remaining hostages. Then this past Monday, 0:04:32.180 --> 0:04:35.960 the Palestinian Authority government resigned. It's been under pressure from 0:04:35.960 --> 0:04:39.140 the US to reform, and a majority of Palestinians just 0:04:39.140 --> 0:04:41.330 see it as a corrupt organization that does need to 0:04:41.330 --> 0:04:44.360 be replaced. But what's unclear right now is whether this 0:04:44.360 --> 0:04:47.270 is an actual change or just a reshuffling of the 0:04:47.270 --> 0:04:51.409 deck to keep Abbas in power. Still another hopeful sign 0:04:51.410 --> 0:04:53.510 is that the Army has given the all clear for 0:04:53.510 --> 0:04:56.479 many living in the communities close to the Gaza border 0:04:56.480 --> 0:04:59.630 to return home over the next few weeks. This should 0:04:59.630 --> 0:05:02.690 lead to the resettlement of those communities. Now, we're planning 0:05:02.690 --> 0:05:05.390 on visiting the area this coming week, so we might 0:05:05.390 --> 0:05:08.220 see these communities coming back to. The life. Some of 0:05:08.220 --> 0:05:11.250 the hotel chains in Israel have also told evacuees they 0:05:11.250 --> 0:05:14.130 need to begin exiting the hotels. Part of the reason 0:05:14.130 --> 0:05:17.580 is the return to normalization. But the hotels also want 0:05:17.580 --> 0:05:20.490 to begin the process of cleaning and refurbishing so they 0:05:20.490 --> 0:05:22.919 can be ready for the expected influx of Jewish and 0:05:22.920 --> 0:05:26.640 Christian tourists, especially with Easter and Passover later this month 0:05:26.640 --> 0:05:29.310 and then in April. All in all, it looks like 0:05:29.310 --> 0:05:32.339 things will start returning to normal in the next few weeks, 0:05:32.339 --> 0:05:36.450 assuming that Hamas and Hezbollah cooperate, and that the new 0:05:36.450 --> 0:05:39.750 Palestinian government can rein in corruption and violence. 0:05:39.750 --> 0:05:41.849 Charlie, I'm sure some of our listeners are as confused 0:05:41.850 --> 0:05:43.950 as I am when they hear that the Palestinian Authority 0:05:43.950 --> 0:05:47.520 government has resigned, at least symbolically. That's well and good. 0:05:47.520 --> 0:05:49.919 But isn't the real problem here Hamas anyway? 0:05:50.160 --> 0:05:52.830 It is. And the fact that Hamas is actually seen 0:05:52.830 --> 0:05:54.960 as the one group that has tried to do something. 0:05:54.960 --> 0:05:58.679 Abbas and his Palestinian Authority cronies have been known for 0:05:58.680 --> 0:06:00.450 inaction and corruption. 0:06:00.480 --> 0:06:02.400 You're listening to the land in the book. If you've 0:06:02.400 --> 0:06:05.400 joined us midstream, our host is Doctor Charlie Dyer. I'm 0:06:05.400 --> 0:06:07.980 John Yeager. We're working our way through a list of 0:06:07.980 --> 0:06:11.610 current events stories. The International Court of Justice met again, 0:06:11.610 --> 0:06:16.110 this time to consider issuing an advisory about Israel's control 0:06:16.110 --> 0:06:19.500 over the West Bank and Jerusalem. What impact could their 0:06:19.500 --> 0:06:21.839 ruling have on the current conflict? 0:06:21.839 --> 0:06:24.540 Yeah, this six day hearing, which ended this past Monday, 0:06:24.540 --> 0:06:27.450 is different than the previous one that was held. That 0:06:27.450 --> 0:06:30.150 hearing focused on charges of genocide that were brought by 0:06:30.150 --> 0:06:33.960 South Africa against Israel. And since Israel had signed that treaty, 0:06:33.960 --> 0:06:37.020 they appeared at that first hearing to defend themselves. This 0:06:37.020 --> 0:06:40.800 latest hearing focused on the UN General Assembly's request for 0:06:40.800 --> 0:06:45.120 an advisory opinion on the, quote, legal consequences of Israel's 0:06:45.120 --> 0:06:49.590 56 year control of the West Bank and other Palestinian areas. 0:06:49.589 --> 0:06:53.669 The Palestinians claim Israel's guilty of ethnic cleansing, apartheid and 0:06:53.670 --> 0:06:56.940 genocide due to its long term rule of the area. 0:06:56.940 --> 0:06:59.910 They want the International Court of Justice to declare the 0:06:59.910 --> 0:07:04.980 Israeli occupation illegal and to order an immediate end. Advisory 0:07:04.980 --> 0:07:08.039 opinions like this one being sort are non-binding. They have 0:07:08.040 --> 0:07:11.970 no legal ramifications, but they can give diplomatic cover to 0:07:11.970 --> 0:07:15.840 other nations and encourage them to take action against Israel. 0:07:15.840 --> 0:07:18.780 The United States urged the court not to issue a 0:07:18.780 --> 0:07:22.530 ruling calling for Israel's immediate withdrawal from these areas. The 0:07:22.530 --> 0:07:26.070 US spokesman argued that both the UN Security Council and 0:07:26.070 --> 0:07:29.940 General Assembly had established a pathway to a peaceful resolution 0:07:29.940 --> 0:07:34.800 through negotiations that would exchange land for peace. Demanding Israel's 0:07:34.800 --> 0:07:40.020 unilateral withdrawal would harm Israel's very real security needs. Israel 0:07:40.020 --> 0:07:43.800 captured the West Bank, Gaza, East Jerusalem, the Sinai Peninsula 0:07:43.800 --> 0:07:47.700 and the Golan Heights back in 1967, in a defensive 0:07:47.700 --> 0:07:52.110 war launched against them by Egypt, Syria and Jordan. A 0:07:52.110 --> 0:07:56.400 UN resolution 242, passed shortly afterward called on Israel to 0:07:56.400 --> 0:07:59.880 withdraw from the territories it captured, but it also called 0:07:59.880 --> 0:08:02.940 for the termination of all claims or states of belligerence, 0:08:03.240 --> 0:08:07.170 and to acknowledge the sovereignty and territorial integrity of Israel 0:08:07.170 --> 0:08:10.230 and its right to live in peace within secure and 0:08:10.230 --> 0:08:14.850 recognized borders. That's the basis of the land for peace process. 0:08:14.880 --> 0:08:17.880 Israel made peace with Egypt and gave back the Sinai. 0:08:17.880 --> 0:08:20.850 For 20 years, Israel was engaged in peace talks with 0:08:20.850 --> 0:08:25.020 the Palestinians and two proposals were put forward. One was 0:08:25.020 --> 0:08:28.290 rejected at Camp David by Yasser Arafat, the other was 0:08:28.290 --> 0:08:31.800 rejected by Mahmoud Abbas. Now they want Israel to withdraw 0:08:31.800 --> 0:08:34.980 from all the land, but without any corresponding commitment to 0:08:34.980 --> 0:08:40.860 lasting peace. And October 7th showed why Israel distrust the Palestinians. 0:08:40.860 --> 0:08:44.280 50 nations spoke John before this court, and very few 0:08:44.280 --> 0:08:47.370 stood up to speak for Israel. Thankfully, the US was 0:08:47.370 --> 0:08:49.020 one of those that did well. 0:08:49.020 --> 0:08:51.480 In an op ed piece on a Turkish news site, 0:08:51.480 --> 0:08:56.969 two Turkish authors charged that Israel is, quote, weaponizing archaeology 0:08:56.970 --> 0:09:01.530 by twisting historical findings to bolster Israel's claims to the land. 0:09:01.530 --> 0:09:05.190 How serious are those charges? And more importantly, are they true? 0:09:05.190 --> 0:09:08.460 Well, the charges are not true. It's actually these authors 0:09:08.460 --> 0:09:13.500 who've weaponized archaeology. They accused Israel of twisting historical findings 0:09:13.500 --> 0:09:17.760 to bolster the Zionist narrative. In reality, the charges don't 0:09:17.760 --> 0:09:21.570 fit the facts of history or archaeology. Israel is finding 0:09:21.570 --> 0:09:25.560 much evidence to support the reality that they're not Western colonizers, 0:09:25.559 --> 0:09:28.230 but indigenous inhabitants of the land. You know, they lived 0:09:28.230 --> 0:09:30.900 there from the time of Abraham until after the time 0:09:30.900 --> 0:09:33.750 of Jesus, and even after the Romans tried to ethnically 0:09:33.750 --> 0:09:37.199 cleanse them from the land, many still remained. From written 0:09:37.200 --> 0:09:40.109 references to the House of David on inscriptions. You found 0:09:40.110 --> 0:09:42.840 it tel Dan to the tunnel dug by King Hezekiah 0:09:42.840 --> 0:09:45.330 to divert the waters of the Gihon Spring to the 0:09:45.330 --> 0:09:47.880 Jewish ritual baths near the Temple Mount. In the time 0:09:47.880 --> 0:09:52.260 of Jesus. Archaeological evidence supporting Israel's presence in the land 0:09:52.260 --> 0:09:55.800 is indisputable. It's those who want to twist history, to 0:09:55.800 --> 0:09:59.070 claim the Jewish people are just a modern Western occupying 0:09:59.070 --> 0:10:03.120 power who are trying to dismantle the clear archaeological record. 0:10:03.150 --> 0:10:06.300 Is there archaeological evidence pointing to a clear Jewish presence 0:10:06.300 --> 0:10:08.870 in the land for the. Past 4000 years. There is. 0:10:08.870 --> 0:10:11.960 And that's what disturbs the authors of this op ed piece. 0:10:11.960 --> 0:10:13.880 But for those of us who accept the message of 0:10:13.880 --> 0:10:18.020 the Bible, the overwhelming archaeological evidence for Israel's presence in 0:10:18.020 --> 0:10:21.530 the land comes as no surprise. It matches what God 0:10:21.530 --> 0:10:23.720 has already revealed in His Word. 0:10:23.809 --> 0:10:25.939 Thank you Charlie. How can people pray for us as 0:10:25.940 --> 0:10:27.290 we travel throughout Israel? 0:10:27.320 --> 0:10:30.140 I think praying for safety and praying for wisdom that 0:10:30.140 --> 0:10:31.940 we would know who to meet, how to meet, and 0:10:31.940 --> 0:10:33.380 what to say to them at that time. 0:10:33.380 --> 0:10:36.319 Thank you for those prayers. We appreciate it. Well, when 0:10:36.320 --> 0:10:39.470 the Nazis invaded Holland, they made it illegal for anyone 0:10:39.470 --> 0:10:42.410 to house or even help a Jewish person. But Corrie 0:10:42.410 --> 0:10:44.450 ten boom and her family said no. 0:10:44.480 --> 0:10:46.130 Her story is next. 0:11:00.280 --> 0:11:03.400 When the Nazis invaded Holland, they made it illegal for 0:11:03.400 --> 0:11:07.030 anyone to house or even help a Jewish person. Would 0:11:07.030 --> 0:11:10.960 you have complied? Corrie, her sister Betsy, and her father 0:11:10.960 --> 0:11:14.470 Kasper were Christians who decided they simply could not obey 0:11:14.470 --> 0:11:17.980 this evil dictate. So they began hiding small groups of 0:11:17.980 --> 0:11:21.429 Jewish people and others who sought refuge. You might have 0:11:21.429 --> 0:11:24.100 heard of Corrie ten boom, but today you're about to 0:11:24.100 --> 0:11:27.250 meet her through a dramatic interpreter. Welcome to the land 0:11:27.250 --> 0:11:30.309 and the book. I'm Jon Jager. This month marks the 0:11:30.309 --> 0:11:33.429 80th anniversary of the capture of Corrie Ten boom and 0:11:33.429 --> 0:11:36.130 her family. What if you could somehow go back in 0:11:36.130 --> 0:11:39.640 time and meet Corey? Ask her questions. What we're about 0:11:39.640 --> 0:11:42.819 to do just that. First, though, let's pause and think 0:11:42.820 --> 0:11:44.890 about some creative ways we can show the love of 0:11:44.890 --> 0:11:47.410 Jesus to the Jewish people who are in our lives. 0:11:47.440 --> 0:11:51.580 Let's listen to this. The Old Testament is rich with prophecy. 0:11:51.610 --> 0:11:54.040 How much of that, though, can you really talk about 0:11:54.040 --> 0:11:57.430 in a conversation with your Jewish friend? For example, what 0:11:57.429 --> 0:12:01.420 about Daniel's prophecies concerning the Maccabees and the events of Hanukkah? 0:12:01.510 --> 0:12:04.059 Roy Schwartz says with Chosen People Ministries, are we on 0:12:04.059 --> 0:12:05.920 safe ground talking about this kind of stuff? 0:12:05.950 --> 0:12:08.800 Sure. For a Gentile to know about Hanukkah, are you 0:12:08.800 --> 0:12:11.860 kidding me? Especially to know that it was spoken of 0:12:11.860 --> 0:12:14.170 by the Jewish prophet Daniel. Don't get into the New 0:12:14.170 --> 0:12:18.579 Testament necessarily. Just talk about the reality that God, through 0:12:18.580 --> 0:12:24.880 the prophet Daniel, foreshadowed and foresaw the actual events of 0:12:24.880 --> 0:12:29.170 Antiochus and the events of Hanukkah. Now, most Christians don't 0:12:29.170 --> 0:12:32.050 know that, but I suggest you study that and see 0:12:32.050 --> 0:12:35.500 how Daniel and Hanukkah fit together, and that will blow 0:12:35.500 --> 0:12:37.689 the mind of a Jewish person that you are interested 0:12:37.690 --> 0:12:38.260 in those things. 0:12:38.260 --> 0:12:39.429 All right, so maybe we need to do a little 0:12:39.429 --> 0:12:41.949 work on our own history and then reach out and 0:12:41.950 --> 0:12:45.130 share those prophecies from Daniel as a tool to bridge 0:12:45.130 --> 0:12:47.890 into the life of your unsaved Jewish friend. Roy Schwartz 0:12:47.890 --> 0:12:50.109 is with Chosen People Ministries. Always a pleasure to have 0:12:50.110 --> 0:12:53.790 him in the studio. All right. This is the land 0:12:53.790 --> 0:12:55.920 of the book, a very special edition on this 80th 0:12:55.920 --> 0:12:58.890 anniversary of the capture of Corrie Ten boom and her family. 0:12:58.890 --> 0:13:01.290 And because our time is limited, we're going to jump 0:13:01.290 --> 0:13:05.160 right into our conversation, imagining that we are actually with 0:13:05.160 --> 0:13:08.550 the real Corrie ten boom. All right, walk down the 0:13:08.550 --> 0:13:10.949 streets of Harlem and Holland with me. A short train 0:13:10.950 --> 0:13:14.520 ride from Amsterdam as we connect with Corrie ten boom. 0:13:14.550 --> 0:13:16.949 Now again, the real Corrie Ten boom has been with 0:13:16.950 --> 0:13:19.980 the Lord since 1983, but today we're going to experience 0:13:19.980 --> 0:13:22.950 a simulated conversation with her on the land and the 0:13:22.950 --> 0:13:25.890 book with a historical interpreter. We're going to meet her 0:13:25.890 --> 0:13:28.800 in her real life later. Cory, you are known for 0:13:28.800 --> 0:13:31.980 a thing called the hiding place. Describe this. How big 0:13:31.980 --> 0:13:33.809 was it and how was it used? 0:13:33.809 --> 0:13:37.410 Oh, my hiding place. We also call it the angels. 0:13:37.410 --> 0:13:40.559 Then you see, that was a place that was built 0:13:40.559 --> 0:13:43.470 in my bedroom because I was up on the third 0:13:43.470 --> 0:13:45.839 floor and that was give more time, you know, with 0:13:45.840 --> 0:13:48.780 a hiding place, you have to have alarm, too. And 0:13:48.780 --> 0:13:53.610 so it was tiny, some 30in wide and some eight 0:13:53.610 --> 0:13:57.089 feet long, could hold six people. And the outside it 0:13:57.090 --> 0:14:00.930 appeared as a closet, but the bottom shelf was door. 0:14:00.929 --> 0:14:05.099 So those who would be staying in our angels, then 0:14:05.100 --> 0:14:08.760 they would have to climb into that small opening, and 0:14:08.760 --> 0:14:11.520 then I would close the door. And so it looked 0:14:11.520 --> 0:14:14.550 like the the closet. Yes. 0:14:14.550 --> 0:14:17.940 Six people at a time in this eight foot long thing. 0:14:17.940 --> 0:14:21.150 Yes, yes. So they had to take the turns, of course. 0:14:21.150 --> 0:14:24.510 Some sitting, some lying down. There were vents up in 0:14:24.510 --> 0:14:28.830 the ceiling when we first were visited by the Dutch underground. 0:14:28.830 --> 0:14:32.490 They say you need a hiding place. And the Mr. Schmidt, 0:14:32.490 --> 0:14:35.760 he come and he look and he look in my bedroom. 0:14:35.760 --> 0:14:39.060 Then in the days to follow another Mr. Schmidt come 0:14:39.060 --> 0:14:42.900 with bricks, and then. Then another Mr. Schmidt come with 0:14:42.900 --> 0:14:46.320 wallpaper and paint and and another of it. Would my 0:14:46.320 --> 0:14:49.020 papa say, uh, he says, I don't recall there being 0:14:49.020 --> 0:14:52.650 so many. Schmidt's in Harlem. We say, oh, Papa, we 0:14:52.650 --> 0:14:54.990 don't want to know their name. We call them Schmidt, 0:14:54.990 --> 0:14:57.450 you know, in case they arrest us. Yes. 0:14:57.600 --> 0:15:01.230 Well, your family knew the severe penalty the Germans would 0:15:01.230 --> 0:15:04.830 exact from those court helping Jewish people. Why get so involved? 0:15:04.830 --> 0:15:06.360 What drove your family to do this? 0:15:06.360 --> 0:15:10.800 Oh, my. In 1844, my grandfather, who live in the 0:15:10.800 --> 0:15:13.920 house that we live, we called the Bay. He was 0:15:13.920 --> 0:15:16.710 a Christian man and he had prayer meeting and they 0:15:16.710 --> 0:15:20.670 meet every week to pray. But one day in 1844, 0:15:20.670 --> 0:15:24.480 grandfather was visited by a pastor, visiting and pastor come 0:15:24.480 --> 0:15:27.420 to grandfather. And he said to him, do you pray 0:15:27.420 --> 0:15:31.560 for the Jews? And grandfather thought. He says, no, I 0:15:31.560 --> 0:15:33.960 do not. He said, you should pray for the Jews. 0:15:33.960 --> 0:15:37.620 You know they are God's ancient people, his chosen people, 0:15:37.620 --> 0:15:40.980 chosen to bring us the Savior. You know, Jesus was Jewish, huh? 0:15:41.700 --> 0:15:44.610 And he shared in the Bible, it tells us to 0:15:44.610 --> 0:15:48.240 pray for the peace of Jerusalem, be concerned for the 0:15:48.240 --> 0:15:51.600 welfare of the Jews, and you will be blessed. And 0:15:51.600 --> 0:15:54.930 so grandfather taught, and he say, yes, I will do it. 0:15:54.930 --> 0:15:58.500 And so from that point on, every week they meet 0:15:58.500 --> 0:16:01.620 in that parlor room to pray for the Jews, and 0:16:01.620 --> 0:16:05.280 we say a very strange not to be understood answer 0:16:05.280 --> 0:16:11.880 to those prayers some 100 years later, in that very place, grandfather, son, 0:16:11.880 --> 0:16:16.650 grandchildren and others were arrested for hiding Jews who are. 0:16:17.280 --> 0:16:19.800 Today on the land. In the book, it's a simulated 0:16:19.800 --> 0:16:26.070 conversation with Corey Tenenbaum. On February 28th, 1944, a Dutch informant, 0:16:26.070 --> 0:16:29.640 Jan Vogel, told the Nazis about the ten boom's work. 0:16:29.730 --> 0:16:34.830 Around 12:30 p.m. that day, the Nazis arrested your entire family. 0:16:34.830 --> 0:16:37.020 Describe that experience. What was going on in your heart 0:16:37.020 --> 0:16:37.710 at that moment? 0:16:37.710 --> 0:16:40.170 Oh my. That day I was very sick with the 0:16:40.170 --> 0:16:42.810 flu and I was upstairs in the bed, but we 0:16:42.810 --> 0:16:45.300 had others there at our home. They were meeting for 0:16:45.300 --> 0:16:49.680 the Bible study. And then when Jan Vogel came and 0:16:49.680 --> 0:16:52.980 it was he was Quisling, he was traitor. But the 0:16:52.980 --> 0:16:55.920 alarm went off and running past me while I was 0:16:55.920 --> 0:16:58.620 laying in the bed were the four Jews and two 0:16:58.620 --> 0:17:02.100 underground workers. And as they run past me, they say, Tanta, 0:17:02.100 --> 0:17:05.520 that is. And they say this is a real raid. 0:17:05.520 --> 0:17:08.340 And so I jumped from my bed and I helped 0:17:08.340 --> 0:17:11.790 them into the hiding place and get them closed in. 0:17:11.790 --> 0:17:14.460 And I closed that door. Yes. 0:17:14.460 --> 0:17:16.710 Wow. What became of your father? 0:17:17.100 --> 0:17:22.470 Oh, my precious papa. So, dear. You know, that night when, uh, 0:17:22.470 --> 0:17:26.700 when we were arrested, uh, one of the Gestapo said 0:17:26.700 --> 0:17:29.340 to him. They say you are old man. If you 0:17:29.340 --> 0:17:32.550 will stop this nonsense with the Jews, you can die 0:17:32.550 --> 0:17:35.700 in your old bed. But my papa, look at him. 0:17:35.700 --> 0:17:39.540 And he say, if anyone comes to the bay, I 0:17:39.540 --> 0:17:43.050 will open my doors to them. And so they say, 0:17:43.050 --> 0:17:45.810 take him away. You know, he only lives some ten 0:17:45.810 --> 0:17:49.530 days in the prison because the conditions were such. It 0:17:49.530 --> 0:17:51.900 was too much for him. But all that great. And 0:17:51.900 --> 0:17:54.689 old men. And when they take him away from us, 0:17:54.690 --> 0:17:57.570 he looked back at us and he say, I love you, 0:17:57.570 --> 0:18:00.450 my children. The best is yet to be. You can 0:18:00.450 --> 0:18:04.590 trust the everlasting arms of Jesus. Jesus is Victor. 0:18:04.890 --> 0:18:05.160 Mhm. 0:18:05.700 --> 0:18:08.760 And yet the best wasn't immediate, that's for sure. You're 0:18:08.760 --> 0:18:12.150 hauled off to a work camp. Describe that work camp 0:18:12.150 --> 0:18:14.879 that you were in along with your sister Betsy. Remind 0:18:14.880 --> 0:18:17.400 us of things we don't quite understand about the conditions 0:18:17.400 --> 0:18:19.530 of daily life in prison like that. 0:18:19.530 --> 0:18:23.010 Oh my. First I was taken to an injured, which 0:18:23.040 --> 0:18:27.030 was to solitary confinement. Do you know, John? All my 0:18:27.030 --> 0:18:30.899 life I had been with other people in a very 0:18:30.900 --> 0:18:35.520 affirming atmosphere, but now totally alone. And when I would 0:18:35.520 --> 0:18:37.800 want to ask a question, they would say, shut up, 0:18:37.800 --> 0:18:41.160 no talking. You're a pig. Oh, my. Do you know 0:18:41.160 --> 0:18:44.310 to be talked to like that? But then from solitary 0:18:44.310 --> 0:18:48.149 I was taken to another camp. And then in September 0:18:48.150 --> 0:18:52.710 of 1944, myself, my sister Betsy, and others, they said 0:18:52.710 --> 0:18:55.440 to gather your things. You're leaving? We thought, oh, we're 0:18:55.440 --> 0:18:58.530 going to be released. But instead we were taken to 0:18:58.530 --> 0:19:04.080 Ravensbrück concentration camp in Germany. And oh, from the very beginning, 0:19:04.080 --> 0:19:08.040 the life was very harsh. I remember when they tell 0:19:08.040 --> 0:19:10.560 us we were in long line and they say all 0:19:10.560 --> 0:19:14.520 sorts of questions, but then they say, surrender your clothes. 0:19:15.119 --> 0:19:18.690 Do you know it was also humiliating? And as we 0:19:18.690 --> 0:19:23.280 stand in our nakedness before the guards. Oh, I think, oh, Jesus. 0:19:24.090 --> 0:19:28.080 But then I remember Jesus when he died on the cross, 0:19:28.080 --> 0:19:32.250 you know, he was naked and to suffer as Jesus. Oh, 0:19:32.640 --> 0:19:36.120 we were taken to barrack 28, a battery designed to 0:19:36.119 --> 0:19:39.380 hold 200. Now we're holding as many as 6 to 0:19:39.380 --> 0:19:43.859 800 people. Oh, and when we come, I look. I say, Betsy, look, 0:19:43.859 --> 0:19:48.030 the floor is moving with vermin and the lice. Oh, 0:19:48.390 --> 0:19:51.810 but my sister Betsy, she squeezed my hand. She says, oh, but, Corrie, 0:19:51.810 --> 0:19:54.510 I'm thankful we are together. I say to her, well, 0:19:54.510 --> 0:19:58.770 I'm not thankful for the lice. Oh, but later a 0:19:58.770 --> 0:20:01.530 guard was there and say, every morning you must come 0:20:01.530 --> 0:20:04.710 out at 4 a.m. to roll call. If you don't 0:20:04.710 --> 0:20:07.679 come out, we come in and we shoot you. Oh my. 0:20:07.680 --> 0:20:11.550 But when that door close, one of the prisoners already 0:20:11.550 --> 0:20:16.350 in barrack 28 stand and say, welcome to your new home. 0:20:16.350 --> 0:20:18.900 We can do anything we want in here because, you see, 0:20:18.900 --> 0:20:21.390 the guards don't want to come in. They don't want 0:20:21.390 --> 0:20:26.310 to get the lice. Betsy, bump my arm and say, Gauri, 0:20:26.310 --> 0:20:30.150 even the lice we are thankful for. Oh, my. And 0:20:30.150 --> 0:20:33.600 in that place, we had smuggled a small Bible. And 0:20:33.600 --> 0:20:37.290 we were able to bring hope to a hopeless place. 0:20:37.290 --> 0:20:42.629 Yes, you mentioned Betsy quite a bit. Eventually Betsy's end 0:20:42.630 --> 0:20:45.630 came and that had to have been terribly hard on you. 0:20:45.630 --> 0:20:50.250 Yes, yes, Betsy told me one day. Oh, the treatment was. 0:20:50.250 --> 0:20:52.860 It was hard work and senseless, you know, move all 0:20:52.859 --> 0:20:55.950 these bricks from one place to another the next day. 0:20:55.950 --> 0:20:59.520 Who put the bricks there? Move the bricks. Oh, all senseless. 0:20:59.520 --> 0:21:02.580 But one day Betsy said to me, she said, Corrie, 0:21:02.580 --> 0:21:05.250 I have had a dream. And in my dream the 0:21:05.250 --> 0:21:07.979 Lord showed me that we will be released from here 0:21:07.980 --> 0:21:10.890 before the new year. Come, I say, oh, I pray 0:21:10.890 --> 0:21:13.140 it is true. She says no, I know it is true. 0:21:13.140 --> 0:21:16.980 And when we are released we will tell people everywhere. 0:21:17.250 --> 0:21:21.180 There is no pit so deep that God's love is 0:21:21.180 --> 0:21:24.359 not deeper still. Oh, and they will believe us because 0:21:24.359 --> 0:21:29.520 we have been here. Well, shortly before Christmas my sister 0:21:29.520 --> 0:21:33.330 was free, but she was dead. She died there. And 0:21:33.330 --> 0:21:35.790 then after Christmas I was standing in the roll call 0:21:35.790 --> 0:21:38.640 and my number was called. You know, we did not 0:21:38.790 --> 0:21:44.010 go by the names. We went by numbers 66730. My 0:21:44.010 --> 0:21:46.530 number was called. And when they call you number, you 0:21:46.530 --> 0:21:49.980 never see that person again. Oh my. And I thought 0:21:49.980 --> 0:21:53.340 I was walking surely to my death. But then they 0:21:53.340 --> 0:21:55.560 tell me to take the shower. And I thought it 0:21:55.560 --> 0:21:58.050 was gas chamber, but water come out and they give 0:21:58.050 --> 0:22:01.140 me my clothes. They say, Cornelius and boom! You have 0:22:01.140 --> 0:22:05.550 completed your sentence. Sign here. I say that they say yes. 0:22:05.550 --> 0:22:08.340 Sign that you have been well cared for. You know 0:22:08.340 --> 0:22:11.879 I sign it anyway, huh? But I learned later it 0:22:11.880 --> 0:22:15.690 was due to clerical error that I was released. Hmm. 0:22:16.260 --> 0:22:19.109 What did you hang on to spiritually that kept you 0:22:19.109 --> 0:22:22.080 from giving up what? One thing more than any other. 0:22:22.470 --> 0:22:26.790 Oh, truly, it was the love of God. You know, 0:22:26.790 --> 0:22:28.859 my papa told me from the time I was a 0:22:28.859 --> 0:22:34.320 small child. He say every life is valuable because we 0:22:34.320 --> 0:22:36.960 were created in the image of the Most High God. 0:22:36.960 --> 0:22:41.159 Every life is valuable. So I did not question God's 0:22:41.160 --> 0:22:45.510 love for me. No, I did it. Uh, perplexed. And 0:22:45.510 --> 0:22:48.869 why am I in this situation, Lord? But you know, 0:22:48.869 --> 0:22:51.760 as my sister say to one who questioned her. Why 0:22:51.760 --> 0:22:54.340 did God send you to this place? She looked at 0:22:54.340 --> 0:22:57.850 her and say, oh, so that we can tell you 0:22:57.850 --> 0:23:01.629 of his love. And that really was the sustaining thing, 0:23:01.960 --> 0:23:03.369 the love of God. 0:23:03.580 --> 0:23:06.040 You've been listening to a conversation today on the land 0:23:06.040 --> 0:23:09.159 in the book with somebody portraying Corrie ten boom, in 0:23:09.160 --> 0:23:12.250 the 80th year of the discovery of their hiding place. 0:23:12.460 --> 0:23:16.300 Cory actually lived from 1892 to 1983. And the name 0:23:16.300 --> 0:23:20.530 of our interpreter is Gail Haas. Gail is a wife, mother, grandmother, 0:23:20.530 --> 0:23:23.980 prayer warrior, teacher, and a storyteller. Thanks for being on 0:23:23.980 --> 0:23:24.790 the program, Gail. 0:23:24.820 --> 0:23:25.660 Thank you. 0:23:25.750 --> 0:23:28.120 Hey, do you find that as time goes by, fewer 0:23:28.119 --> 0:23:30.369 and fewer Christians are familiar with the life of Cory 0:23:30.369 --> 0:23:32.770 ten boom. Or worse yet, are there fewer and fewer 0:23:32.770 --> 0:23:33.610 who care? 0:23:33.850 --> 0:23:37.750 Well, there definitely, as we have the privilege of sharing 0:23:37.750 --> 0:23:41.770 Cory's story around the country. Yes, there are many who 0:23:41.770 --> 0:23:45.730 don't know of Cory Boom's story, and, um, I have 0:23:45.730 --> 0:23:48.910 the privilege of going into schools as well. They are 0:23:48.910 --> 0:23:52.060 studying the Holocaust, and so I'm able to bring Cory's 0:23:52.060 --> 0:23:55.480 story to life, and the students feel like they've really 0:23:55.480 --> 0:23:59.800 met a real Holocaust survivor. And so I think that 0:23:59.800 --> 0:24:02.919 it raises the bar for young people, because there were 0:24:02.920 --> 0:24:05.830 young people who were working in the Dutch underground with 0:24:05.830 --> 0:24:10.120 Cory giving their lives. And this challenge is a great 0:24:10.119 --> 0:24:12.160 challenge for our young people today. 0:24:12.460 --> 0:24:14.830 What one thing do you want your audiences to take 0:24:14.830 --> 0:24:16.600 away from your presentation, Gail? 0:24:17.020 --> 0:24:20.440 I think the greatest part is, of course, her story 0:24:20.440 --> 0:24:24.070 of after the war. Cory met in Germany, one of 0:24:24.070 --> 0:24:28.420 the guards from Ravensbrück, and after her talk, he's coming 0:24:28.420 --> 0:24:31.359 up to her and she recognizes him and and she thinks, oh, 0:24:31.359 --> 0:24:33.580 I don't even want to talk to him. And he 0:24:33.580 --> 0:24:35.950 comes to her and he looks at her and he says, 0:24:35.950 --> 0:24:38.680 he says, you may not know this, but I too 0:24:38.710 --> 0:24:40.900 was in Ravensbrück. And when I was there, I did 0:24:40.900 --> 0:24:45.189 terrible things. But since the war, I have met Jesus. 0:24:45.190 --> 0:24:48.730 And he's forgiven me my sins. Oh, but would you 0:24:48.730 --> 0:24:52.510 forgive me? And this guard extends his hand to her. And. 0:24:52.510 --> 0:24:56.649 And Corey is thinking, oh, I cannot. But she's reminded 0:24:56.650 --> 0:24:59.169 of words from her mama and papa that said, you 0:24:59.170 --> 0:25:04.180 cannot or you will not. And as she shares, you know, 0:25:04.180 --> 0:25:08.170 forgiveness is not a feeling, but a decision that we make. 0:25:08.170 --> 0:25:10.870 And she extends her hand to the man. And as 0:25:10.869 --> 0:25:14.560 they take hands, oh, she says, it's like electric runs 0:25:14.560 --> 0:25:17.770 through her arm and she says, yes, I forgive you. 0:25:17.770 --> 0:25:21.399 You are my brother. So the big takeaway is the 0:25:21.400 --> 0:25:25.480 incredible power of God's love and forgiveness. 0:25:25.720 --> 0:25:27.820 You have spent so much time studying the life of 0:25:27.820 --> 0:25:30.850 Corey Tenenbaum. When you finally meet her in heaven, what 0:25:30.850 --> 0:25:32.800 would you ask her? What are you going to ask her? 0:25:32.980 --> 0:25:35.680 Oh, I think we will just jump up and down 0:25:35.680 --> 0:25:38.139 together and hug. And it will be. It'll be a 0:25:38.140 --> 0:25:39.909 wonderful time. Yes. 0:25:40.000 --> 0:25:43.210 We've been visiting with Gail Haas, who portrays Cory Tannenbaum 0:25:43.210 --> 0:25:46.570 and others in her ministry. A link to information about 0:25:46.570 --> 0:25:50.230 her at our website. The land and the book, dawg. 0:25:50.560 --> 0:25:54.070 It's Bible questions and Charlie Dyer's answers next here on 0:25:54.070 --> 0:26:08.570 the land and the book. Passover. It will soon be 0:26:08.570 --> 0:26:11.780 upon us. And one of the traditional Passover questions is 0:26:11.780 --> 0:26:15.500 what makes this night different from all others? Well, Passover 0:26:15.500 --> 0:26:18.470 is an important biblical holiday for sure, and it has 0:26:18.470 --> 0:26:23.030 great meaning for both Jewish people and believers in Jesus. Charlie, 0:26:23.030 --> 0:26:25.790 I'm thinking that this question is a good one to ask. 0:26:25.820 --> 0:26:27.920 It is John. If you want to learn more about 0:26:27.920 --> 0:26:30.709 what makes Passover so special, our friends at Life and 0:26:30.710 --> 0:26:33.650 Messiah are offering to mail you a free copy of 0:26:33.650 --> 0:26:37.369 their Messianic Passover Haggadah. 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But you know, Charlie, our question 0:27:11.930 --> 0:27:14.330 number one takes us to the angel who told Mary 0:27:14.330 --> 0:27:17.420 she would be with child. Mary asked, how can this be? 0:27:17.420 --> 0:27:20.389 Because I'm a virgin. Mary was engaged to be married 0:27:20.390 --> 0:27:22.459 at the time, and she would have clearly known that 0:27:22.460 --> 0:27:24.920 the pregnancy would have been a result of sexual relationship 0:27:24.920 --> 0:27:27.709 with her husband. So doesn't the fact that Mary asked 0:27:27.710 --> 0:27:30.560 this question, how can this be since I'm a virgin? 0:27:30.590 --> 0:27:34.310 Show that she must have taken a perpetual vow of virginity. 0:27:34.520 --> 0:27:36.680 Yeah, and actually, I don't see anything like that in 0:27:36.680 --> 0:27:40.340 the passage saying she took a vow of perpetual virginity. Now, 0:27:40.340 --> 0:27:43.760 she knew she hadn't had sexual relations because such actions 0:27:43.760 --> 0:27:46.880 weren't to be taken until marriage was formalized. So when 0:27:46.880 --> 0:27:49.310 Gabriel announced she was about to conceive and bear a son, 0:27:49.310 --> 0:27:52.580 her question seems actually quite natural how can I be pregnant? 0:27:52.580 --> 0:27:54.740 Since I've not known a man? And the word she 0:27:54.740 --> 0:27:57.740 uses there is the idea of knowing someone sexually most 0:27:57.740 --> 0:28:00.530 translated since I'm a virgin. But the Greek literally says 0:28:00.530 --> 0:28:03.649 since I am not knowing a man, the verb is 0:28:03.650 --> 0:28:07.100 in the present tense, picturing current action. So she's simply 0:28:07.100 --> 0:28:10.730 stating what seems to her rather obvious. She's betrothed to Joseph, 0:28:10.730 --> 0:28:13.760 but they haven't been sexually active, or nor has she 0:28:13.760 --> 0:28:16.130 with any other man, so she doesn't see how it's 0:28:16.130 --> 0:28:18.890 at all possible that she could have become pregnant by 0:28:18.890 --> 0:28:21.200 this time. And by the way, I think Matthew makes 0:28:21.200 --> 0:28:23.990 that clear in chapter one, verse 18. He also says 0:28:23.990 --> 0:28:26.869 she was pledged to be married to Joseph, but she 0:28:26.869 --> 0:28:30.380 had become pregnant before they came together in the sexual senses, 0:28:30.380 --> 0:28:33.320 husband and wife. But there's nothing in either passage that 0:28:33.320 --> 0:28:36.440 suggests some kind of a vow of perpetual virginity. 0:28:36.440 --> 0:28:39.650 Our listener Stephen has a follow up question, writing the 0:28:39.650 --> 0:28:42.470 angel did not greet Mary by her name, but by 0:28:42.470 --> 0:28:46.490 her identity. In Luke 128, the angel says, hail, thou 0:28:46.490 --> 0:28:49.580 that art highly favored. Doesn't the word that the angel 0:28:49.580 --> 0:28:52.670 uses there mean that Mary was a pure vessel of 0:28:52.670 --> 0:28:53.930 grace without sin? 0:28:54.230 --> 0:28:57.290 Well, in Luke 128, the word Luke uses is a 0:28:57.290 --> 0:29:01.040 perfect middle participle. How's that for grammar this time of day? 0:29:01.040 --> 0:29:02.540 I love it, Charlie. Yeah, but. 0:29:02.540 --> 0:29:05.630 It's from the Greek word carita. Oh, it's connection to 0:29:05.630 --> 0:29:07.880 the word keras, which has the idea of grace or favor. 0:29:07.880 --> 0:29:10.430 But here's the key. The same verb is used in 0:29:10.430 --> 0:29:13.610 an active sense in Ephesians one six, where Paul talks 0:29:13.610 --> 0:29:17.570 about the grace that God freely bestowed on us. Mary 0:29:17.570 --> 0:29:20.510 was indeed favored or blessed by God, but so are we. 0:29:20.510 --> 0:29:23.210 The use of the word doesn't mean she was without sin, 0:29:23.210 --> 0:29:26.060 just that she was highly favored by God, which is 0:29:26.060 --> 0:29:28.730 why she was selected. I don't want to disparage Mary. 0:29:28.730 --> 0:29:31.820 She's a remarkable woman of faith. At the same time, 0:29:31.820 --> 0:29:34.250 the word used by Luke doesn't demand that she be 0:29:34.250 --> 0:29:37.040 without sin any more than the fact that Paul used 0:29:37.040 --> 0:29:40.910 it of us suggests we're sinless. It's simply pouring meaning 0:29:40.910 --> 0:29:42.800 into that verb that's not there. 0:29:42.800 --> 0:29:45.290 You're listening to The land in the book from Moody Radio, 0:29:45.290 --> 0:29:48.350 our host, Doctor Charlie Dyer, is addressing questions that you 0:29:48.350 --> 0:29:50.840 can email us any old time if you've got one. 0:29:50.840 --> 0:29:54.620 The land and the book at Moody's Edu is How 0:29:54.620 --> 0:29:57.350 to connect. Okay, Gordon says, I've got 3 or 4 0:29:57.350 --> 0:30:00.650 friends that doubt the accuracy of the Bible. They say 0:30:00.650 --> 0:30:03.680 stuff like it's made up after the fact. It's just 0:30:03.680 --> 0:30:07.580 a bunch of unproven fables based on earlier manuscripts like 0:30:07.580 --> 0:30:11.270 the Epic of Gilgamesh. I'm aware that both Josh McDowell 0:30:11.270 --> 0:30:14.210 and Lee Strobel have written books providing proof of this 0:30:14.210 --> 0:30:17.230 historical accuracy of the Bible, but can you recommend 1 0:30:17.230 --> 0:30:19.610 or 2 other books that address whether we can truly 0:30:19.610 --> 0:30:23.300 trust the accuracy of the 66 books of the Bible? 0:30:23.390 --> 0:30:26.420 Well, the two books you mentioned are excellent, and I'm 0:30:26.420 --> 0:30:29.030 not sure adding additional books to that list will ultimately 0:30:29.030 --> 0:30:31.880 help your friends. You know, the real issue is faith. 0:30:31.910 --> 0:30:34.370 In Hebrews 11 it says, without faith, it's impossible to 0:30:34.370 --> 0:30:37.040 please God because anyone who comes to him has to 0:30:37.040 --> 0:30:39.680 believe that he exists and he rewards those who earnestly 0:30:39.680 --> 0:30:43.160 seek him. So in light of that, here's what I'd suggest. First, 0:30:43.160 --> 0:30:46.010 challenge your friends saying the real question is faith, and 0:30:46.010 --> 0:30:48.170 then say to them, okay, for the next month, would 0:30:48.170 --> 0:30:51.230 you be willing to read the Bible and then pray? 0:30:51.230 --> 0:30:54.920 And as you're praying, just ask God to say, if 0:30:54.920 --> 0:30:58.340 you exist, show yourself to me and then write down 0:30:58.340 --> 0:31:00.410 any impressions and have them come back to you and 0:31:00.410 --> 0:31:03.740 discuss what they found. And then second, if they say 0:31:03.740 --> 0:31:05.690 the Bible is full of errors, say to them, well, 0:31:05.690 --> 0:31:08.280 give me some examples. And I say that because a 0:31:08.280 --> 0:31:09.960 lot of people say, oh yeah, the Bible is full 0:31:09.960 --> 0:31:12.479 of mistakes, but they really can't identify any. It's just 0:31:12.480 --> 0:31:15.780 something they've heard repeated by others. But tell them if 0:31:15.780 --> 0:31:18.390 they come to you with those questions, you'll seriously try 0:31:18.390 --> 0:31:21.150 to get them an answer and do that, and then 0:31:21.150 --> 0:31:23.220 try and find those answers to come back to them. Now, 0:31:23.220 --> 0:31:25.980 there aren't enough books in the world to persuade someone 0:31:25.980 --> 0:31:28.800 who chooses not to believe. But if someone's willing to 0:31:28.800 --> 0:31:31.380 honestly seek for answers and interact with with the Bible 0:31:31.380 --> 0:31:33.450 and with God and with a good friend who can 0:31:33.450 --> 0:31:35.670 help them understand it, I think God will then work 0:31:35.670 --> 0:31:37.140 in their heart and bring them to a point of 0:31:37.140 --> 0:31:39.240 understanding and hopefully of faith. 0:31:39.270 --> 0:31:42.330 Cooper says he's concerned about the ways someone could violate 0:31:42.330 --> 0:31:46.530 revelation 22, verses 18 and 19, which talk about adding 0:31:46.560 --> 0:31:49.890 to or taking away from the words of prophecy. Do 0:31:49.890 --> 0:31:53.160 you think someone could violate revelation 22, 18, and 19 0:31:53.160 --> 0:31:56.580 in any way, through movements like sign language or other 0:31:56.580 --> 0:32:00.780 movements that directly communicate something? And if someone violates those verses, 0:32:00.780 --> 0:32:03.150 do you think that proves that they're not a Christian? 0:32:03.300 --> 0:32:05.910 Well, the word used there for AD two and in 0:32:05.910 --> 0:32:09.750 revelation 22 has the idea of imposing or placing something 0:32:09.750 --> 0:32:12.150 on what's already there. If someone tries to alter the 0:32:12.150 --> 0:32:14.910 meaning of what God has said by adding to it, 0:32:14.940 --> 0:32:18.150 a God then threatens that individual with plagues or judgments. 0:32:18.480 --> 0:32:21.030 If someone tries to explain away or remove what God 0:32:21.030 --> 0:32:22.530 has said, you know it says that, but it doesn't 0:32:22.530 --> 0:32:25.200 mean that something like that. Then God says he's going 0:32:25.200 --> 0:32:27.030 to remove them from having any part in the tree 0:32:27.030 --> 0:32:30.209 of life. Now, those are severe penalties that God's imposing, 0:32:30.390 --> 0:32:32.700 but he's doing it against people who deliberately try to 0:32:32.700 --> 0:32:35.250 change the meaning of what God has said is going 0:32:35.250 --> 0:32:38.700 to take place. Now, how specifically should we understand these 0:32:38.700 --> 0:32:41.460 words today? Well, at the very beginning of chapter 22, 0:32:41.460 --> 0:32:43.650 God said, blessed is he who keeps the word of 0:32:43.650 --> 0:32:45.780 the prophecy of this book. And the word for keep 0:32:45.780 --> 0:32:49.080 has the idea of keep or guard. Jesus said he'll 0:32:49.080 --> 0:32:51.390 bless those who accept what he said, and do what 0:32:51.390 --> 0:32:54.600 they can to protect themselves and others from trying to 0:32:54.600 --> 0:32:57.420 dismiss or distort that message. So in answer to your 0:32:57.420 --> 0:33:00.750 specific question, I don't think that the warnings against someone 0:33:00.750 --> 0:33:04.260 using sign language or or any other kind of physical action, 0:33:04.380 --> 0:33:06.450 the events he's describing are really things that are going 0:33:06.450 --> 0:33:08.910 to take place. And anyone who tries to get others 0:33:08.910 --> 0:33:12.120 to disbelieve it are the ones who are deliberately opposing God, 0:33:12.120 --> 0:33:13.770 and they're the ones being warned. 0:33:13.800 --> 0:33:17.460 Nick asks, was David abdicating his duty and granting Joab 0:33:17.460 --> 0:33:21.000 clemency instead of executing the law by saying, the Lord 0:33:21.000 --> 0:33:24.690 repay the evildoer according to his wickedness? Or was Solomon 0:33:24.690 --> 0:33:28.470 wrong for having Joab executed? It could be viewed that 0:33:28.470 --> 0:33:32.040 Solomon killed Joab because Joab wanted Adonijah to be king 0:33:32.040 --> 0:33:33.690 instead of Solomon. What do you think? 0:33:33.720 --> 0:33:35.490 Yeah, people are going to have to follow along, because 0:33:35.490 --> 0:33:38.100 that part of the Bible and most people's minds, their eyes, 0:33:38.100 --> 0:33:40.650 just go back in their head. But Joab was a 0:33:40.650 --> 0:33:43.950 loyal general to David, but he was, we might say, 0:33:43.950 --> 0:33:47.760 not a very nice guy. He ruthlessly ambushed. He killed 0:33:47.760 --> 0:33:51.900 Abner for killing his younger brother in battle, and Abner 0:33:51.900 --> 0:33:53.700 tried to talk his younger brother out of it. So 0:33:53.700 --> 0:33:56.700 Abner wasn't wrong and what he did. But Joab led 0:33:56.700 --> 0:33:59.550 in the killing of Absalom. Even though David ordered his 0:33:59.550 --> 0:34:03.150 men not to do that, Joab brutally murdered another man 0:34:03.150 --> 0:34:05.820 who had been tasked by David to put down a rebellion. 0:34:05.820 --> 0:34:09.240 And finally, while David was still alive, Joab took part 0:34:09.239 --> 0:34:12.270 in an ill fated plot to anoint David's son Adonijah 0:34:12.270 --> 0:34:15.630 as king rather than Solomon. So he was really a 0:34:15.630 --> 0:34:18.000 kind of a brutish guy trying to get his own way. 0:34:18.000 --> 0:34:21.029 When David gave his final instructions to Solomon prior to 0:34:21.030 --> 0:34:24.000 his death, he reminded Solomon. He said, you know yourself 0:34:24.000 --> 0:34:26.279 what Joab, son of Zariah, did to me what he 0:34:26.280 --> 0:34:29.100 did to the two commanders of Israel's enemy, Abner, son 0:34:29.100 --> 0:34:31.950 of Nir, and Amasa, son of John, whether he killed them, 0:34:31.950 --> 0:34:34.500 shedding their blood in peace time, as if in battle, 0:34:34.500 --> 0:34:37.140 and with that blood stained the belt around his waist 0:34:37.140 --> 0:34:39.600 and the sandals on his feet. On modern terms, we 0:34:39.600 --> 0:34:42.750 might say, he covered himself in the blood of the innocent. 0:34:42.750 --> 0:34:46.470 So why didn't David exercised judgment and order? Joab killed 0:34:46.469 --> 0:34:48.450 for what he had done. I think the answer is 0:34:48.450 --> 0:34:52.109 found in second Samuel three. David shows the people that 0:34:52.110 --> 0:34:54.570 he didn't have any part in these other executions. But 0:34:54.570 --> 0:34:57.180 then he says to his men privately, do you not 0:34:57.180 --> 0:34:59.370 realize that a prince and a great man has fallen 0:34:59.370 --> 0:35:02.700 this day? And today, though I'm the anointed king, I'm weak. 0:35:02.700 --> 0:35:04.830 And these sons of Zariah, that is, Joab and his 0:35:04.830 --> 0:35:07.890 other brother are too strong for me. David looked at 0:35:07.890 --> 0:35:10.230 the alignment of forces, and he realized those loyal to 0:35:10.230 --> 0:35:13.050 Joab and his brother were actually greater than those loyal 0:35:13.050 --> 0:35:16.080 to David. The kingdom was still fractured following the death 0:35:16.080 --> 0:35:18.779 of Saul, and David felt that if he demanded that 0:35:18.780 --> 0:35:21.180 Joab be brought to justice, it was just as likely 0:35:21.180 --> 0:35:24.030 that he'd be the one killed. So does this demonstrate 0:35:24.030 --> 0:35:26.580 weakness and a lack of faith on David's part? I'm 0:35:26.580 --> 0:35:29.550 not sure it may show weakness, but it may also 0:35:29.550 --> 0:35:32.580 show wisdom on David's part. But when he tells Solomon 0:35:32.580 --> 0:35:35.880 is to make sure that Joab does get his justice. Do. 0:35:35.880 --> 0:35:39.480 And Solomon wasn't wrong in putting him to death, because 0:35:39.480 --> 0:35:42.450 Joab tried to take the throne in place of Solomon. 0:35:42.450 --> 0:35:45.870 So Solomon was the one who assured that God's justice 0:35:45.870 --> 0:35:47.070 was indeed done. 0:35:47.250 --> 0:35:49.980 And a quick follow up from Nick, Romans 13 four, 0:35:49.980 --> 0:35:52.410 makes it pretty clear that even ungodly authorities have the 0:35:52.410 --> 0:35:55.830 right to use capital punishment. What do you think about that? 0:35:56.010 --> 0:35:57.960 Well, I think it's right. And in fact, what I 0:35:57.960 --> 0:36:00.720 would end up saying in general is the law should 0:36:00.719 --> 0:36:03.750 exercise justice, but there are times when it's appropriate to 0:36:03.750 --> 0:36:06.780 extend mercy. Now, when go back to that question on Joab, 0:36:06.780 --> 0:36:08.560 I don't think. That's what was taking place. To use 0:36:08.560 --> 0:36:11.830 the language used today. His sentence was postponed, but it 0:36:11.830 --> 0:36:15.219 was never commuted. God may be patient, but justice will 0:36:15.219 --> 0:36:16.480 eventually get done. 0:36:16.480 --> 0:36:18.069 And that's a look at some of the questions that 0:36:18.070 --> 0:36:19.960 have come in. If you didn't hear yours today and 0:36:19.960 --> 0:36:22.300 you did submit it. Hang in there. We'll get to 0:36:22.300 --> 0:36:24.520 it on a future broadcast. And if you'd like to 0:36:24.520 --> 0:36:27.790 submit a question, our email address is The Land and 0:36:27.790 --> 0:36:31.239 the book at Moody Edu. It's been a while since 0:36:31.239 --> 0:36:32.830 you've been to the website, man, we'd love you to 0:36:32.830 --> 0:36:37.270 check it out. Information about today's guest pass programs. Future programs. 0:36:37.270 --> 0:36:41.140 All there at the land and the book. Org. More 0:36:41.140 --> 0:36:43.690 to come in Charlie's devotional. It's next right. 0:36:43.690 --> 0:36:57.489 Here. We're glad you're. 0:36:57.489 --> 0:36:59.050 Still with us here at The Land. In the book, 0:36:59.050 --> 0:37:01.810 I'm John Jaeger. One of the highlights of any trip 0:37:01.810 --> 0:37:04.600 to Israel is a visit to the Dead Sea. People 0:37:04.600 --> 0:37:06.700 who have never been there say, oh, isn't that the 0:37:06.700 --> 0:37:08.979 place where you can float in the water? And my 0:37:08.980 --> 0:37:12.640 answer is, it's stranger than that. It's impossible not to 0:37:12.640 --> 0:37:14.440 float in the Dead Sea if there's just a few 0:37:14.440 --> 0:37:16.870 inches of water that you're in. And the reason for 0:37:16.870 --> 0:37:20.320 all that is one word salt. Charlie Dyer, are you 0:37:20.320 --> 0:37:23.080 suggesting there's something in the salt that might just offer 0:37:23.080 --> 0:37:24.790 a lesson that we need to hang on to? 0:37:24.790 --> 0:37:27.489 Oh, there's an incredible lesson from that salt, John. And 0:37:27.489 --> 0:37:28.540 that's what I want to talk about. 0:37:28.540 --> 0:37:30.880 Well, we'll head down for a relaxing dip in the 0:37:30.880 --> 0:37:35.200 Dead Sea after this fully alive testimony from someone who 0:37:35.200 --> 0:37:37.930 has experienced Israel and shares this with us. 0:37:41.860 --> 0:37:45.100 One of the things that has really impressed me about 0:37:45.100 --> 0:37:51.550 this particular tour is how organized the group has been like. 0:37:51.550 --> 0:37:55.839 I've read about different tours, and I really believe that 0:37:55.840 --> 0:37:59.650 this tour has visited more places than any other tour 0:37:59.680 --> 0:38:03.759 that I've ever read about. I remember getting the book 0:38:03.760 --> 0:38:07.540 by Doctor Dyer about a Christians travel to the Holy Land, 0:38:07.540 --> 0:38:11.050 and being able to study about the different places and 0:38:11.050 --> 0:38:15.339 cross-reference them in my Bible before coming here. And we 0:38:15.340 --> 0:38:19.660 got a map, and we just got so many things 0:38:19.660 --> 0:38:23.380 that were in addition to over and above any other 0:38:23.380 --> 0:38:26.650 tour that I've read about. We received a journal that 0:38:26.650 --> 0:38:29.290 we could take on our trip, and I have been 0:38:29.290 --> 0:38:33.160 writing in it and taking notes. We received so many 0:38:33.160 --> 0:38:36.489 different things that are helping me a bag, you know, 0:38:36.489 --> 0:38:41.650 that travel bag that we could take? Name tag, luggage tags. 0:38:41.680 --> 0:38:46.270 I just was very impressed by this group and how 0:38:46.270 --> 0:38:50.680 you have organized things and just given to us to 0:38:50.680 --> 0:38:52.390 make the trip better. 0:38:54.200 --> 0:38:56.840 I'm looking forward to this devotional series, Charlie. It's called 0:38:56.840 --> 0:38:58.970 objects on the shelf. Yeah. 0:38:58.969 --> 0:39:01.460 Thanks, John. For the next three weeks, I'm inviting you 0:39:01.460 --> 0:39:04.129 to join me here in my office. Now, don't look 0:39:04.130 --> 0:39:06.140 too closely at all the books and bric a brac 0:39:06.140 --> 0:39:09.440 filling my shelves. I've got books squeezed into every available 0:39:09.440 --> 0:39:13.040 space in a random. Some would probably say chaotic order. 0:39:13.040 --> 0:39:15.380 But what's important is I know where the books are. 0:39:15.380 --> 0:39:17.750 When I go to find something. All the other items 0:39:17.750 --> 0:39:20.510 are curios that I've collected in my travels that take 0:39:20.510 --> 0:39:23.359 me back to particular places and times, and that each 0:39:23.360 --> 0:39:25.910 have a story to tell. And for the next three weeks, 0:39:25.910 --> 0:39:28.040 I want to share a few of those stories with you. 0:39:28.160 --> 0:39:31.340 Today's treasure sits on a shelf just to my right. 0:39:31.340 --> 0:39:33.650 At first glance, it might remind you of something you 0:39:33.650 --> 0:39:36.680 saw in a high school or college geology class, or 0:39:36.680 --> 0:39:39.650 perhaps in a visit to a store that sells geodes. 0:39:39.650 --> 0:39:43.250 This one doesn't look overly impressive because it's relatively flat, 0:39:43.250 --> 0:39:46.730 about four by six inches in size and formed from 0:39:46.730 --> 0:39:49.489 all white crystals. Now, what makes it interesting to me 0:39:49.489 --> 0:39:52.460 is I picked it up from the Dead Sea. Actually, 0:39:52.460 --> 0:39:54.859 it's a clump of salt that had crystallized on a 0:39:54.860 --> 0:39:58.010 pipe just under the surface of the Dead Sea. I've 0:39:58.010 --> 0:40:00.710 been floating in the bathwater. Warm water. When I noticed 0:40:00.710 --> 0:40:02.810 it on the pipe, I tugged on it and it 0:40:02.810 --> 0:40:05.420 slid off the pipe into my hand. The bottom is 0:40:05.420 --> 0:40:07.850 curved to match. The shape of the pipe at the top. 0:40:07.850 --> 0:40:11.480 Retained the jagged design formed by the salt crystals. Now 0:40:11.480 --> 0:40:13.700 this earned a place on my shelf for two reasons. 0:40:13.700 --> 0:40:16.040 The first had to do with getting it home for 0:40:16.040 --> 0:40:17.569 the rest of our trip. I had to let the 0:40:17.570 --> 0:40:20.750 piece sit on our different hotel room desks to get 0:40:20.750 --> 0:40:23.299 it to dry. I didn't want it to dissolve into 0:40:23.300 --> 0:40:26.090 smaller salt crystals on my flight home, so I also 0:40:26.090 --> 0:40:27.950 wrapped it in toilet paper and put it in a 0:40:27.950 --> 0:40:31.190 Ziploc bag. My suitcase was filled, so I asked my 0:40:31.190 --> 0:40:33.440 wife if I could put it in her suitcase. She 0:40:33.440 --> 0:40:35.690 agreed and we were ready to head home. Or at 0:40:35.690 --> 0:40:38.090 least that's what I thought. That was several years ago, 0:40:38.090 --> 0:40:41.150 when Israel had just installed a machine to detect chemical 0:40:41.150 --> 0:40:45.080 components of explosives. That machine set out in the security area, 0:40:45.080 --> 0:40:47.120 and you had to clear it before being allowed to 0:40:47.120 --> 0:40:49.880 proceed to check in on my suitcase went through without 0:40:49.880 --> 0:40:52.669 any problems, and then they ran my wife's suitcase through 0:40:52.670 --> 0:40:55.010 the machine and then pulled it aside for a more 0:40:55.010 --> 0:40:58.700 thorough inspection. It seems that in addition to sodium chloride 0:40:58.700 --> 0:41:02.810 common salt, the Dead Sea also contains magnesium, potassium, and 0:41:02.810 --> 0:41:06.680 several other minerals that can trigger the machine. Once they 0:41:06.680 --> 0:41:08.750 opened her suitcase and found the bag with the salt, 0:41:08.750 --> 0:41:11.690 we were cleared for departure. But the second reason I've 0:41:11.690 --> 0:41:14.210 kept that block of Dead Sea salt on my shelf 0:41:14.210 --> 0:41:17.810 is more biblical. To understand why, imagine living in Israel 0:41:17.810 --> 0:41:20.840 in Old Testament times, the Dead Sea, which, by the way, 0:41:20.840 --> 0:41:23.480 is never called that in the Bible, actually plays an 0:41:23.480 --> 0:41:27.290 important role in your life. Archaeologists have discovered ruins of 0:41:27.290 --> 0:41:30.950 what's likely a processing area where the salt was extracted 0:41:30.950 --> 0:41:34.040 from the Dead Sea. The salt was used for seasoning food, 0:41:34.040 --> 0:41:37.879 but it was also used as a preservative and a disinfectant. 0:41:37.940 --> 0:41:42.410 Ezekiel 16 describes the practice of mothers rubbing newborn children 0:41:42.410 --> 0:41:46.790 with salt, and in Leviticus 213, God required sacrifices to 0:41:46.790 --> 0:41:49.970 be seasoned with salt. In the Bible, the Dead Sea 0:41:49.969 --> 0:41:52.940 is called the Eastern Sea, the salt sea, the sea 0:41:52.940 --> 0:41:56.180 of the Arabah, or simply the sea. The Romans and 0:41:56.180 --> 0:41:59.330 Josephus called it Lake Asphalt. Titus, because of the blobs 0:41:59.330 --> 0:42:03.290 of tarry, asphalt like material that on occasion could float 0:42:03.290 --> 0:42:06.410 to the surface. Now lots of different names, but the 0:42:06.410 --> 0:42:08.900 one found most often in the Bible is simply the 0:42:08.900 --> 0:42:11.810 salt sea. And if you've ever had an opportunity to 0:42:11.810 --> 0:42:13.819 visit the Dead Sea, you know why the name is 0:42:13.820 --> 0:42:17.540 so appropriate. The mineral content is so dense that you 0:42:17.540 --> 0:42:20.629 physically cannot sink, and if you have any slight nicks 0:42:20.630 --> 0:42:23.600 or cuts, you'll know exactly where they are. It's the 0:42:23.600 --> 0:42:26.930 equivalent of pouring salt on an open wound, and apart 0:42:26.930 --> 0:42:30.050 from a small area where a freshwater spring drains into 0:42:30.050 --> 0:42:32.779 the Dead Sea, the entire body of water is devoid 0:42:32.780 --> 0:42:35.780 of fish. They simply can't live in the water because 0:42:35.780 --> 0:42:39.080 of its high mineral content. And that's what makes my 0:42:39.080 --> 0:42:41.870 souvenir so important. I keep it as a reminder that 0:42:41.870 --> 0:42:46.430 someday God has said he'll do the impossible. In Ezekiel 36, 0:42:46.430 --> 0:42:49.009 God promised to bring Israel back to the land in 0:42:49.010 --> 0:42:53.000 a new covenant relationship. God then provided three examples to 0:42:53.000 --> 0:42:57.109 show how dramatic the change will be in chapter 37, 0:42:57.110 --> 0:43:00.230 God compared it to a valley of dry, bleached bones 0:43:00.230 --> 0:43:03.050 joining together and coming back to life. And in the 0:43:03.050 --> 0:43:06.560 same chapter, God used two sticks being joined together to 0:43:06.560 --> 0:43:09.320 show that this return will include both the northern Kingdom 0:43:09.320 --> 0:43:12.410 of Israel and the southern Kingdom of Judah. The promise 0:43:12.410 --> 0:43:15.860 was for all the descendants of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob. 0:43:15.950 --> 0:43:19.250 But God reserved his greatest illustration for the Dead Sea. 0:43:19.250 --> 0:43:23.090 In chapter 47, God promised that life giving water would 0:43:23.090 --> 0:43:26.000 flow from a rebuilt temple down to the Jordan Valley 0:43:26.000 --> 0:43:30.410 and into the sea. Geographically, that would be the Dead Sea. 0:43:30.410 --> 0:43:32.960 And then, he says, when it empties into the sea, 0:43:32.960 --> 0:43:36.500 the waters there become fresh swarms of living creatures will live. 0:43:36.500 --> 0:43:39.800 Wherever the river flows. There will be large numbers of fish, 0:43:39.800 --> 0:43:43.129 because this water flows there and makes the salt water fresh. 0:43:43.130 --> 0:43:46.700 So where the river flows, everything will live. The Dead 0:43:46.730 --> 0:43:50.840 Sea coming to life, turning into freshwater, teeming with fish 0:43:50.840 --> 0:43:54.430 is the ultimate illustration God will use. In the coming 0:43:54.430 --> 0:43:58.120 Kingdom era to demonstrate his faithful promise to bring his 0:43:58.120 --> 0:44:01.570 people back to the land. Now, I'm not a fisherman, 0:44:01.570 --> 0:44:05.140 but Ezekiel 4710 goes on to describe the Dead Sea 0:44:05.140 --> 0:44:08.260 as a future destination for those who like to fish. 0:44:08.290 --> 0:44:11.230 Fishermen will stand along the shore from an jetty to 0:44:11.230 --> 0:44:14.140 any time there will be places for spreading nets. The 0:44:14.140 --> 0:44:16.600 fish will be of many kinds, like the fish of 0:44:16.600 --> 0:44:20.410 the great sea. This dead, salty body of water will 0:44:20.410 --> 0:44:24.910 become a freshwater Paradise. But doesn't that also create a problem? 0:44:25.239 --> 0:44:27.640 The Dead Sea was the chief source for salt in 0:44:27.640 --> 0:44:31.120 the region, and salt was a valuable commodity. But if 0:44:31.120 --> 0:44:34.180 the Dead Sea becomes a freshwater lake, where will the 0:44:34.180 --> 0:44:37.240 people go to get salt? This isn't something we think 0:44:37.239 --> 0:44:39.340 about very often because we go to the store to 0:44:39.340 --> 0:44:42.640 buy salt. It's a rather common commodity. But to the 0:44:42.640 --> 0:44:46.210 audience in Ezekiel's day, this could create concern because salt 0:44:46.210 --> 0:44:49.359 was valuable. And I believe that's why God adds an 0:44:49.360 --> 0:44:52.780 otherwise obscure statement in the very next verse. But the 0:44:52.780 --> 0:44:55.570 swamps and marshes will not become fresh. They will be 0:44:55.570 --> 0:44:59.950 left for salt in bringing about a dramatic transformation, turning 0:44:59.950 --> 0:45:03.250 the salt sea into a freshwater lake. God hastens to 0:45:03.250 --> 0:45:05.800 add that he will also continue to care for the 0:45:05.800 --> 0:45:08.979 needs of his people by retaining a marshy area where 0:45:08.980 --> 0:45:13.540 salt will remain. God thinks of everything. Well, it's almost 0:45:13.540 --> 0:45:16.239 time to leave. Take one last look at my hunk 0:45:16.239 --> 0:45:19.960 of salt, and then remember God's amazing promise to Israel 0:45:19.960 --> 0:45:22.989 and its application to us as well. And promising to 0:45:22.989 --> 0:45:26.500 restore the nation of Israel physically and spiritually. God was 0:45:26.500 --> 0:45:29.980 promising to do the impossible, and the Dead Sea becoming 0:45:29.980 --> 0:45:33.370 fresh will be a reminder of that in future days. 0:45:33.370 --> 0:45:36.700 But even as God demonstrates his power, he will also 0:45:36.700 --> 0:45:40.390 demonstrate his care for every detail of life. The water 0:45:40.390 --> 0:45:43.330 turns fresh, but he allows an area of salt to 0:45:43.330 --> 0:45:48.250 remain less. God's blessing also become a hardship. And for you, 0:45:48.250 --> 0:45:51.400 what are you struggling with today? God has promised to 0:45:51.400 --> 0:45:54.310 never leave you nor forsake you, to meet your needs, 0:45:54.310 --> 0:45:57.190 and to someday take you to be with him in heaven. 0:45:57.190 --> 0:45:59.920 But while you're watching for the big promises of God, 0:45:59.920 --> 0:46:02.950 the making the Dead Sea come alive sort of promises. 0:46:02.980 --> 0:46:06.399 Don't forget to look for the less spectacular everyday blessings. 0:46:06.400 --> 0:46:11.170 He also provides the leaving behind the salt kind of blessings. Or, 0:46:11.170 --> 0:46:14.380 as Johnson Oatman described it in the old gospel song 0:46:14.380 --> 0:46:18.040 count your Blessings. Name them one by one, and it 0:46:18.040 --> 0:46:20.950 will surprise you what the Lord has done. 0:46:20.980 --> 0:46:23.379 Thank you Charlie. We'll look forward to more from your 0:46:23.380 --> 0:46:27.100 objects on the shelf devotional series. 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