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And there's a lot of good questions too. 0:02:47.139 --> 0:02:48.880 So anyway, I'm really glad that we're going to do 0:02:48.880 --> 0:02:50.470 this and we're going to just jump right in and 0:02:50.470 --> 0:02:51.730 go right to the questions. 0:02:51.760 --> 0:02:54.190 All right. Our first question is from Beverly in Oxford 0:02:54.190 --> 0:02:59.260 Alabama listens to WGR. W when the captives return from Babylon, 0:02:59.260 --> 0:03:01.720 did they include the tribes of Judah and Benjamin only, 0:03:01.720 --> 0:03:03.430 or were there other tribes present? 0:03:04.180 --> 0:03:06.640 You know, that's this is sort of the background idea 0:03:06.639 --> 0:03:08.530 that there were lost tribes, that there were the ten 0:03:08.530 --> 0:03:11.740 lost tribes, but actually none of the tribes were lost, 0:03:11.740 --> 0:03:14.980 and that when the captives came back from Babylon, I 0:03:14.980 --> 0:03:18.010 think it included people from all of the all of 0:03:18.010 --> 0:03:22.570 the 12 tribes. And what happened was earlier on, during 0:03:22.600 --> 0:03:26.170 even during the Assyrian captivity, tribes from the north went 0:03:26.169 --> 0:03:29.769 down to the south. And this was like 707. 21 0:03:29.770 --> 0:03:31.480 was when the northern Kingdom fell. They went down to 0:03:31.510 --> 0:03:34.870 the south for safety. And then when the Babylonian captivity 0:03:34.900 --> 0:03:38.770 happened in 586, there were people from every tribe that 0:03:38.770 --> 0:03:43.270 were taken into captivity by the Babylonians. And after the 0:03:43.270 --> 0:03:47.680 captivity ended, 70 years later, the people came back to 0:03:47.710 --> 0:03:50.200 the land of Israel, and they came back being from 0:03:50.200 --> 0:03:53.440 every tribe. And one of the examples that we know of, 0:03:53.530 --> 0:03:56.750 from people being, from every tribe is that in the 0:03:56.750 --> 0:04:00.020 birth narrative of the Messiah, Jesus, when he was taken 0:04:00.020 --> 0:04:03.290 to the temple as a little baby, and Luke chapter two, 0:04:03.320 --> 0:04:07.310 it talks about the prophetess Anna. She was from the 0:04:07.310 --> 0:04:10.310 tribe of Asher. So that's just one example of where 0:04:10.310 --> 0:04:13.220 we have people from a northern tribe that is mentioned 0:04:13.250 --> 0:04:16.130 in the New Testament era. So people came back from 0:04:16.130 --> 0:04:17.990 every tribe. There were no lost tribes. 0:04:18.020 --> 0:04:19.279 That's from Luke 236. 0:04:19.760 --> 0:04:20.870 Luke 236. 0:04:20.900 --> 0:04:25.580 People are wondering about that. So also it's possible some 0:04:25.580 --> 0:04:28.549 of the northern tribes obviously intermarried with the Syrians, and 0:04:28.550 --> 0:04:32.089 that's how they became Samaritans. And then some of the 0:04:32.089 --> 0:04:36.050 northern tribes actually were taken captive to Assyria. And then 0:04:36.050 --> 0:04:41.390 when Judah was brought to Babylon. Babylon had taken over 0:04:41.420 --> 0:04:44.450 Assyria at that point. And so the community was just 0:04:44.450 --> 0:04:47.539 merged and became one. The Jews who had gone into 0:04:47.540 --> 0:04:50.870 exile in 721, and their descendants now were merged with 0:04:50.870 --> 0:04:53.810 the Jews, who were brought into exile in Judah from 0:04:53.820 --> 0:04:58.140 Judah to Babylon. So they all got merged. And so no, 0:04:58.140 --> 0:05:00.240 there were not ten lost tribes. So when people want 0:05:00.270 --> 0:05:03.360 to say, oh, the, the people of of Great Britain 0:05:03.360 --> 0:05:05.400 are the true lost ten tribes. 0:05:05.400 --> 0:05:06.239 Native Americans or. 0:05:06.270 --> 0:05:09.930 Native Americans are the lost ten tribes. None of that's true. 0:05:09.960 --> 0:05:12.299 The lost Ten tribes were never lost. They came back 0:05:12.300 --> 0:05:16.080 to the land. Now, what was lost is that after 0:05:16.080 --> 0:05:19.470 the destruction of the temple, most of the the tribal 0:05:19.470 --> 0:05:22.080 records were lost with the destruction of the temple. And 0:05:22.080 --> 0:05:25.590 Jewish people, except for trying to remember who was from 0:05:25.589 --> 0:05:28.919 a priestly family and who was from a was a Levite. 0:05:28.950 --> 0:05:31.409 Otherwise all the other records of. 0:05:31.440 --> 0:05:34.050 And that was in the 70 A.D., the Roman destruction 0:05:34.050 --> 0:05:36.419 of the temple in 70. That's when those records were lost. 0:05:36.420 --> 0:05:40.049 And so ever since then, people don't really track their tribes. 0:05:40.500 --> 0:05:44.099 Okay, thanks for that question, Beverly. That was a very 0:05:44.100 --> 0:05:49.050 quick history lesson on the captivity. Um, Tara wrote us 0:05:49.050 --> 0:05:52.590 from Bradenton, Florida, listened to us with her 12 year 0:05:52.630 --> 0:05:56.710 old's question. He would like to know who the last 0:05:56.710 --> 0:05:58.960 prophet was in the Bible. 0:05:59.650 --> 0:06:02.739 Well, it depends on how you're looking at it. The 0:06:02.740 --> 0:06:05.529 last prophet of the Old Testament, obviously, is the book 0:06:05.529 --> 0:06:12.460 of Malachi. You've got three post-exile prophets, okay? You've got 0:06:12.490 --> 0:06:15.520 the prophets, and then you've got the exile, and then 0:06:15.550 --> 0:06:22.060 you've got Haggai, Zechariah, and Malachi. And really, we know 0:06:22.060 --> 0:06:24.760 for sure by the dates of Haggai and Zechariah, that 0:06:24.760 --> 0:06:28.630 they were indeed post-exilic prophets. We just presume Malachi was 0:06:28.630 --> 0:06:31.270 because he's right there connected with them, and he's the 0:06:31.270 --> 0:06:33.609 last book of the Bible. But there's no date on 0:06:33.610 --> 0:06:36.340 the book of Malachi to tell us that he was 0:06:36.370 --> 0:06:42.100 a post-exilic prophet. It's just we presume it because he's 0:06:42.100 --> 0:06:45.969 there along with Haggai and Zechariah, and then boom. 0:06:46.000 --> 0:06:47.350 Yep. Long tradition of long. 0:06:47.350 --> 0:06:50.860 Tradition of him being the third of the Post-exilic prophets. 0:06:50.860 --> 0:06:52.550 But it doesn't say it in Malachi. 0:06:52.580 --> 0:06:56.420 Are all of the prophetic books in the Old Testament 0:06:56.420 --> 0:06:59.450 in order in how they were prophets? 0:06:59.510 --> 0:07:03.800 Not necessarily so. But, you know, you look at Isaiah 0:07:03.800 --> 0:07:09.200 and then Jeremiah came after him. Ezekiel was compatible with Jeremiah. But, uh, 0:07:09.740 --> 0:07:13.370 at the same time, uh, but then you've got Daniel 0:07:13.370 --> 0:07:15.920 in another section. He's not really in the prophetic section 0:07:15.920 --> 0:07:19.429 in the Hebrew canon. He's in the writings. And then 0:07:19.430 --> 0:07:23.480 you've got the the 12 Minor Prophets. But what it 0:07:23.480 --> 0:07:27.590 does appear is that of the 12, it ends with 0:07:27.590 --> 0:07:31.100 the Post-exilic prophets. And sort of the context of where 0:07:31.100 --> 0:07:33.620 Malachi is put would lead us to believe that, yes, indeed, 0:07:33.620 --> 0:07:37.250 he's a post-exilic prophet. But that's not the last necessary 0:07:37.250 --> 0:07:38.360 prophet in the Bible. 0:07:38.390 --> 0:07:40.550 And then we knew there the post-exilic because of what 0:07:40.550 --> 0:07:43.370 they're talking about. They're talking about stuff after the exile. 0:07:43.580 --> 0:07:48.200 Well, there's dates also in Haggai and Zechariah. And also 0:07:48.200 --> 0:07:51.330 when you get to the New Testament. There are prophets. 0:07:51.360 --> 0:07:57.210 I mean, I've just mentioned the prophetess Anna in Luke two. Right? Mhm. Uh, 0:07:57.210 --> 0:08:00.720 but of course we have the greatest prophet and that's 0:08:00.720 --> 0:08:04.440 John the Baptist according to Matthew 11. Uh, he's the 0:08:04.440 --> 0:08:07.050 greatest of the holes, and he's kind of classed with 0:08:07.050 --> 0:08:09.750 the Old Testament prophets, though he's in the New Testament. 0:08:10.050 --> 0:08:13.080 And then there are prophets with the New Testament gift 0:08:13.080 --> 0:08:16.260 of prophecy that we see in the book of acts 0:08:16.290 --> 0:08:20.550 like Agabus. And he was a prophet, but he gave 0:08:20.550 --> 0:08:24.510 a prediction about Paul going to be bound from Jerusalem 0:08:24.510 --> 0:08:28.410 and taken, you know, captive and so forth. And so 0:08:28.410 --> 0:08:30.570 there are other prophets, and it does look like that 0:08:30.570 --> 0:08:33.270 there's going to be a prophetic witness in the book 0:08:33.270 --> 0:08:35.970 of revelation, or sort of a restoration of the office 0:08:35.970 --> 0:08:39.209 of prophet in, in the future, when there's the two 0:08:39.240 --> 0:08:42.870 witnesses in revelation 11. So we still have not yet 0:08:42.900 --> 0:08:48.390 seen the last prophet, because the two witnesses are coming. 0:08:48.570 --> 0:08:52.170 And so yeah, it's like one of those questions that 0:08:52.170 --> 0:08:54.000 people say, well, who's the last prophet? Well, it depends 0:08:54.000 --> 0:08:54.930 on what you're asking. 0:08:54.929 --> 0:08:59.490 So okay. Yeah. All right. Thanks for that information. Yeah. Exactly. 0:08:59.520 --> 0:09:01.860 Like who discovered America. It depends on where you're looking. Yeah. 0:09:03.450 --> 0:09:06.750 Thanks for that question, Tara. From your son Aaron wrote 0:09:06.750 --> 0:09:12.390 us from Spokane, Washington. Listens to KMBC. I'm reading Matthew 1818. 0:09:12.420 --> 0:09:14.610 Whatever you bind on earth will be bound in heaven. 0:09:14.610 --> 0:09:16.890 Whatever you loose on earth will be loosed in heaven. 0:09:16.890 --> 0:09:21.720 And wondering what the terms binding and loosing refer to. 0:09:21.750 --> 0:09:25.050 My application Bible indicates this refers to conflict with within 0:09:25.050 --> 0:09:27.630 the church, which makes sense given the context of the 0:09:27.630 --> 0:09:31.740 prior verses. Context is important though. Specifically what is being 0:09:31.740 --> 0:09:33.780 bound and loosed and how should this be applied? 0:09:34.470 --> 0:09:36.959 Isn't that binding and loosing? That's kind of a rabbinic term, Michael. 0:09:37.080 --> 0:09:40.620 It is a rabbinic term. To bind means to forbid 0:09:40.620 --> 0:09:45.390 and to loose means to permit, and it really is 0:09:45.390 --> 0:09:49.300 a reference there To a term that was used in 0:09:49.300 --> 0:09:53.530 Judaism at that time for making decisions. 0:09:54.280 --> 0:09:55.720 And it makes sense it would be used in Matthew, 0:09:55.750 --> 0:09:58.870 since it's primarily a gospel focused toward the Jewish people 0:09:58.870 --> 0:10:00.880 who would be familiar with some of these terms. 0:10:00.910 --> 0:10:03.550 Yeah. And of course, Jesus was in the event he 0:10:03.550 --> 0:10:06.310 was saying it, and he used that term because he 0:10:06.309 --> 0:10:09.729 was talking with Jewish people who completely understood what he 0:10:09.730 --> 0:10:16.120 was saying. And so the context is really, uh, church discipline. 0:10:16.630 --> 0:10:20.439 That's that's what it's talking about there in Matthew 18. Uh, 0:10:20.530 --> 0:10:25.480 it says, uh, that's where you gather if you have 0:10:25.510 --> 0:10:28.780 if your brother sins against you, you go and and 0:10:28.780 --> 0:10:32.590 address it in private. And then if he doesn't listen, 0:10:32.590 --> 0:10:35.290 if you've listened, you've won your brother. If not, bring 0:10:35.320 --> 0:10:37.590 2 or 3 witnesses by the mouth of 2 or 0:10:37.590 --> 0:10:42.790 3 witnesses, every word will be tested. And so if 0:10:42.790 --> 0:10:45.580 that doesn't listen to that, then it says, bring it 0:10:45.580 --> 0:10:49.520 to the church. Here's Jesus anticipating the establishment of the church. 0:10:49.550 --> 0:10:51.770 It was not yet established, but he's giving them direction 0:10:51.770 --> 0:10:54.890 for when the church is established. And then he says, 0:10:54.890 --> 0:10:58.040 whatever you bind in terms of the leadership of your church, 0:10:58.040 --> 0:11:02.480 whatever you bind or loose on earth is bound in heaven. 0:11:02.480 --> 0:11:06.020 In other words, whatever decision you make as a church, 0:11:06.020 --> 0:11:09.920 that's the decision of heaven. It is giving authority to 0:11:09.950 --> 0:11:13.550 the church leadership to make these kinds of decisions. So 0:11:13.550 --> 0:11:17.989 binding and loosing means technically it means to forbid or 0:11:17.990 --> 0:11:20.990 to permit, but it came to be when you use 0:11:20.990 --> 0:11:26.990 them together a term for meaning make decisions. Uh, and 0:11:26.990 --> 0:11:30.530 the decision then would be whatever decision you make on 0:11:30.530 --> 0:11:34.790 earth that's confirmed in heaven. And of course, what I 0:11:34.790 --> 0:11:39.110 think is most interesting. Look at verse 20. Uh, Eva. Yeah. 0:11:39.140 --> 0:11:40.790 How do people use that verse? 0:11:40.850 --> 0:11:43.880 So this is so often used about for for a 0:11:43.880 --> 0:11:46.950 prayer meeting. Verse 20, for where 2 or 3 are 0:11:46.950 --> 0:11:49.559 gathered together in my name, I am there in their midst. 0:11:49.559 --> 0:11:51.210 And so, you know, if you've got 2 or 3 0:11:51.210 --> 0:11:54.030 people together, Jesus is with us in a very special way. 0:11:54.059 --> 0:11:56.370 Yeah, but that's not what it's talking about. 0:11:56.429 --> 0:11:57.270 What it's talking about. 0:11:57.300 --> 0:11:58.709 It's talking about church discipline. 0:11:58.710 --> 0:12:00.570 And in fact, I think when we get together to pray, 0:12:00.600 --> 0:12:02.670 when we ask Jesus to be with us, it's like 0:12:02.670 --> 0:12:05.040 not understanding that like he is always with us. The 0:12:05.040 --> 0:12:08.640 Holy Spirit is always with us is present. He's always present. Yeah. 0:12:08.670 --> 0:12:10.650 So but yeah, that's one of the things. Lord be 0:12:10.650 --> 0:12:13.170 with us now. He hasn't left. He said, I'll never 0:12:13.170 --> 0:12:15.360 leave you or forsake you. Right. Yeah. So how does. 0:12:15.390 --> 0:12:18.210 How does that apply to church discipline? 0:12:18.240 --> 0:12:20.910 Yeah. The 2 or 3. It's like when the leadership 0:12:20.910 --> 0:12:23.430 makes this decision, if it's brought to the whole body, 0:12:23.429 --> 0:12:26.110 and then the leadership could be two or 3 or 0:12:26.110 --> 0:12:28.199 6 or whatever the elders are. And the church body 0:12:28.200 --> 0:12:31.380 makes a decision that the Lord Jesus is in the 0:12:31.380 --> 0:12:35.520 midst of that decision. Okay. It, uh, church discipline isn't 0:12:35.520 --> 0:12:40.140 a real popular topic, right? But it's one that is 0:12:40.170 --> 0:12:42.510 needs to be exercised by the church, and it doesn't 0:12:42.510 --> 0:12:45.050 have to be harsh or unloving. It should be loving 0:12:45.050 --> 0:12:48.860 and redemptive, but Jesus is in the midst of it. 0:12:48.860 --> 0:12:52.010 So anyway, I think that's kind of a interesting verse 0:12:52.010 --> 0:12:56.900 that's frequently misused. Hey, you're listening to a very special 0:12:57.350 --> 0:13:00.800 all mailbag, all the time edition of Open Line. I'm 0:13:00.800 --> 0:13:03.470 Mike Radonich. Everett Dolnick is here. Tricia McMillan. We're going 0:13:03.500 --> 0:13:05.840 to be back with more of your questions in a moment. 0:13:06.860 --> 0:13:08.780 Do you want to read the Bible but don't know 0:13:08.780 --> 0:13:11.179 where to begin? Or maybe you just want to get 0:13:11.179 --> 0:13:13.820 more out of your reading of the scriptures. Well, have 0:13:13.820 --> 0:13:16.610 I got a book for you? It's called 14 Fresh 0:13:16.610 --> 0:13:20.540 Ways to Enjoy the Bible. This innovative guide presents 14 0:13:20.540 --> 0:13:24.020 practical principles to bring Scripture to life. 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So Elaine wrote us from Miami, Florida, listens 0:15:09.950 --> 0:15:13.369 to R&B. In John ten, Jesus says, I am the 0:15:13.370 --> 0:15:16.790 good shepherd and I know my own. In verse 16 0:15:16.820 --> 0:15:19.580 of that chapter he says, I have other sheep that 0:15:19.580 --> 0:15:22.220 are not of this fold. I must bring them also. 0:15:22.250 --> 0:15:25.250 Who are these other sheep he's talking about? Yeah. Is 0:15:25.250 --> 0:15:29.450 it Gentiles, or is it some other group of people? 0:15:29.480 --> 0:15:31.700 It does appear that this is, you know, one of 0:15:31.700 --> 0:15:35.720 the things that Ephesians says, and this is kind of 0:15:35.750 --> 0:15:39.210 interesting to me. The Old Testament. Let's start there. The 0:15:39.210 --> 0:15:41.820 Old Testament always foretells that there will come a day 0:15:41.820 --> 0:15:46.080 when the Messiah comes, when the nations will know him. 0:15:46.080 --> 0:15:49.770 It doesn't predict the church. There's no place in the 0:15:49.770 --> 0:15:52.800 Old Testament where it predicts the the church. But the 0:15:52.800 --> 0:15:57.810 Old Testament, particularly, uh, in the Psalms and in the prophets, 0:15:57.810 --> 0:15:59.850 it foretells a day when the nations will know him. 0:15:59.850 --> 0:16:05.190 It actually starts way back in Genesis, in Genesis 4910, 0:16:05.220 --> 0:16:07.110 where it talks about the lion of the tribe of 0:16:07.110 --> 0:16:11.010 Judah will come, and to him shall be the obedience 0:16:11.010 --> 0:16:14.430 of the peoples. And it uses the plural word there, 0:16:14.430 --> 0:16:18.870 so that it indicates that one day the nations will come, 0:16:19.050 --> 0:16:22.800 that the peoples will will submit to this king from 0:16:22.800 --> 0:16:27.030 the tribe of Judah. And then, uh, in the other 0:16:27.030 --> 0:16:32.100 passage I was thinking about is from the the prophets 0:16:32.100 --> 0:16:36.960 in Isaiah, where in the servant song it says, it's 0:16:36.960 --> 0:16:40.870 too small a thing. It's Isaiah 42. It's too small 0:16:40.900 --> 0:16:46.480 a thing for you to just be the the Redeemer 0:16:46.480 --> 0:16:49.540 of Israel. This is what he says. I have called you. 0:16:49.570 --> 0:16:51.970 This is what he says to the Messiah. God says, I, 0:16:51.970 --> 0:16:55.450 the Lord God, have called you for a righteous purpose. 0:16:56.110 --> 0:16:59.290 I will keep you, and I will make you a 0:16:59.290 --> 0:17:02.920 covenant of the people and a light to the nations. 0:17:03.520 --> 0:17:06.790 And so God promises him that I will make you 0:17:06.790 --> 0:17:10.150 a light to the nations. And then he says in 0:17:10.150 --> 0:17:12.760 Isaiah 49, it's too small a thing for you to 0:17:12.790 --> 0:17:15.580 be a light just to Israel. I'm going to or 0:17:15.609 --> 0:17:18.340 the Redeemer of Israel. I'll make you a light to 0:17:18.369 --> 0:17:25.510 the nations. Uh, and uh, it is kind of amazing when, 0:17:25.510 --> 0:17:28.900 when we see this, that there's this promise that that 0:17:28.900 --> 0:17:32.050 God says, I'm going to do this and bring the 0:17:32.050 --> 0:17:34.510 nations to know me. And so then, of course, you 0:17:34.540 --> 0:17:40.609 come to John And in John ten, this is what 0:17:40.640 --> 0:17:43.940 Jesus is saying. He's saying that I am not just 0:17:43.940 --> 0:17:46.609 the Messiah of Israel. I'm not just the King of Israel, 0:17:46.609 --> 0:17:50.209 but also I am the the one who will redeem 0:17:50.210 --> 0:17:53.210 the world. John three starts that way. For God so 0:17:53.210 --> 0:17:56.810 loved the world, right? And so here in John, what's 0:17:56.810 --> 0:18:01.340 the verse that she is citing verse 1616? Yeah. She says, uh, 0:18:01.340 --> 0:18:04.129 I have other sheep that are not of this fold. 0:18:04.130 --> 0:18:06.470 I must bring them also, and they will listen to 0:18:06.470 --> 0:18:09.980 my voice, and there will be one flock, one shepherd. 0:18:09.980 --> 0:18:13.669 And so the idea there is a promise, sort of 0:18:13.700 --> 0:18:18.590 a quiet hint that the church is coming and there's 0:18:18.590 --> 0:18:22.970 going to be this one, people composed of Jews and Gentiles, 0:18:22.970 --> 0:18:27.260 the one new man described in Ephesians two. And Jesus 0:18:27.290 --> 0:18:30.379 is going to bring them together into one body in 0:18:30.380 --> 0:18:32.359 the body of Christ. The body of Christ starts when 0:18:32.359 --> 0:18:36.570 the church acts. Two and then the first gentile is 0:18:36.570 --> 0:18:41.490 converted and brought in, and that is Cornelius. And then 0:18:41.490 --> 0:18:44.970 Paul writes in Ephesians two how there's this one new man, 0:18:45.000 --> 0:18:48.420 Jew and Gentile, together. Now there's still I mean, Jews 0:18:48.450 --> 0:18:53.760 are Jews, and Gentiles are Gentiles, but spiritually fully equal 0:18:53.760 --> 0:18:57.149 in in the body of the Messiah. So there's a 0:18:57.150 --> 0:19:00.930 lot of content there. Yeah. Uh, but that's what I 0:19:00.930 --> 0:19:03.750 believe Jesus is hinting at to us. 0:19:03.780 --> 0:19:07.710 Okay. And when John wrote this, was the church already 0:19:07.710 --> 0:19:11.610 in existence? Yes. So he could have because he. John's 0:19:11.609 --> 0:19:13.830 the one at the end who says, I've included these 0:19:13.830 --> 0:19:16.290 specific stories. There's a lot more he said and did. 0:19:16.290 --> 0:19:18.720 But these are the important things that I think you 0:19:18.720 --> 0:19:22.410 need to know. Um, that he could have included this 0:19:22.410 --> 0:19:26.250 because it already existed, and it was kind of saying 0:19:26.250 --> 0:19:28.350 he did talk about it. Look at this. He's kind 0:19:28.350 --> 0:19:28.590 of he's. 0:19:28.590 --> 0:19:30.210 Clarifying what you see before you. 0:19:30.240 --> 0:19:33.700 Okay. Yeah. Yeah. All right. Very cool. Thanks for that question. 0:19:33.730 --> 0:19:39.400 Elaine joins us from Illinois, listens to Wmbi. In Philippians 217, 0:19:39.400 --> 0:19:43.000 Paul talks about being poured out like a drink offering. 0:19:43.840 --> 0:19:45.850 So that verse says, but even if I am poured 0:19:45.850 --> 0:19:48.550 out as a drink offering on the sacrifice and service 0:19:48.550 --> 0:19:51.100 of your faith, I am glad and rejoice with all 0:19:51.100 --> 0:19:56.440 of you. In Luke 2220, Jesus says, this cup which 0:19:56.440 --> 0:19:58.179 is poured out for you is the new covenant in 0:19:58.180 --> 0:20:01.990 my blood. Wouldn't this be a drink offering if yes, 0:20:01.990 --> 0:20:04.870 it seems like Jesus sacrifice would fulfill the need for this. 0:20:04.869 --> 0:20:07.750 Before Jesus died, he said, it is finished. Why would 0:20:07.750 --> 0:20:10.449 God then want Paul to be a drink offering? 0:20:10.690 --> 0:20:13.600 Uh, you know, it's interesting. I think the idea of 0:20:13.600 --> 0:20:16.090 a drink offering, of course, comes. It's in the it's 0:20:16.090 --> 0:20:18.790 in the the law in numbers 15. There's a lot 0:20:18.820 --> 0:20:21.129 of things about drink offerings. One part of an offering 0:20:21.130 --> 0:20:24.489 often would be a sacrificial animal offering. And then there 0:20:24.490 --> 0:20:29.050 would be a pouring out of a libation, a of wine, 0:20:29.080 --> 0:20:32.680 along with that sacrifice. So often it didn't stand alone, 0:20:32.680 --> 0:20:34.930 but it was part of two things. And so but 0:20:34.960 --> 0:20:35.889 the but the idea is. 0:20:35.950 --> 0:20:39.460 When Paul says that in Philippians 217, he's saying, basically, 0:20:39.460 --> 0:20:42.520 my life is like that drink offering. I'm pouring out 0:20:42.520 --> 0:20:44.350 my life in service to you and pouring. 0:20:44.350 --> 0:20:46.840 Out my life in service to you. Right? Yeah. And 0:20:46.840 --> 0:20:48.970 and Jesus, of course, was saying, you know, his life 0:20:48.970 --> 0:20:51.340 was poured out in service for us. He he died 0:20:51.340 --> 0:20:53.889 and rose again. That was part of the atonement sacrifice. 0:20:53.890 --> 0:20:56.860 But there's also another picture of when Jesus says, let 0:20:56.859 --> 0:21:00.850 this cup pass from me, might be referring not so 0:21:00.850 --> 0:21:04.090 much to the drink offering idea of the cup of 0:21:04.090 --> 0:21:07.930 an offering, but of judgment, of undergoing the the the 0:21:07.960 --> 0:21:13.360 judgment of death. Because another picture of the cup in 0:21:13.359 --> 0:21:15.880 the Old Testament is the cup of the wrath of 0:21:15.880 --> 0:21:20.020 God's judgment. And we see that in Jeremiah 25 and 0:21:20.020 --> 0:21:22.899 Isaiah 55, Psalm 60. So I think there are two 0:21:22.930 --> 0:21:24.250 images here that are at play. 0:21:24.280 --> 0:21:27.100 The imagery of judgment in the Old Testament is it's 0:21:27.100 --> 0:21:29.020 like God takes out a cup and he pours out 0:21:29.020 --> 0:21:30.610 his wrath, right. 0:21:30.609 --> 0:21:33.800 Which we see again in revelation. Yeah, right. The right judgment. 0:21:34.070 --> 0:21:38.150 Yeah. The bowl judgments. Yeah. So basically what Jesus is 0:21:38.150 --> 0:21:42.109 saying here is let this cup of your wrath pass 0:21:42.109 --> 0:21:46.609 from me. If I if it were possible. But obviously 0:21:46.609 --> 0:21:49.640 it wasn't. But what the Lord Jesus was saying is, 0:21:49.640 --> 0:21:51.590 this is a very hard thing to undergo the wrath 0:21:51.590 --> 0:21:56.600 of God and take on the punishment that everyone deserves. 0:21:56.600 --> 0:22:01.310 And so, uh, there is his humanity. And I think 0:22:01.310 --> 0:22:03.350 that's so important. We often think of the Lord Jesus 0:22:03.350 --> 0:22:07.640 as God man and we emphasize God. Mhm. And we 0:22:07.640 --> 0:22:10.910 forget that he's God man and he's also man. And 0:22:10.910 --> 0:22:15.109 there is the, the pain of, of falling under the 0:22:15.109 --> 0:22:20.990 wrath of God that it would have. That's a hard 0:22:20.990 --> 0:22:21.710 thing to. 0:22:22.040 --> 0:22:24.950 Now the other cup that she's mentioning here in Luke 2220. 0:22:24.980 --> 0:22:27.770 That's the third one, is the third cup. The third 0:22:27.770 --> 0:22:30.300 way to look at it. Right. This is happening at 0:22:30.330 --> 0:22:34.020 the at the final Passover that Jesus had with his disciples. 0:22:34.020 --> 0:22:36.540 And at that point, he took one of the four 0:22:36.540 --> 0:22:39.000 cups of the Passover service, the third cup of the 0:22:39.000 --> 0:22:39.780 Passover service. 0:22:39.810 --> 0:22:42.510 And each cup had symbolic significance. And the third cup 0:22:42.510 --> 0:22:46.380 was the cup of redemption at the Passover meal. Now 0:22:46.980 --> 0:22:49.500 they're not listed out, but it's the meal, the cup 0:22:49.500 --> 0:22:52.859 that they took after they had eaten that he he 0:22:52.859 --> 0:22:55.619 uses here. That's the third cup in a Passover meal, 0:22:55.619 --> 0:22:58.410 and the third cup is the cup of redemption. And 0:22:58.410 --> 0:23:01.260 that's what he was talking about there. The cup of 0:23:01.260 --> 0:23:04.320 redemption in the Passover meal always reminded us that God 0:23:04.320 --> 0:23:07.770 redeemed us from slavery in Egypt by the blood of 0:23:07.770 --> 0:23:11.910 a lamb. And so Jesus really now is mentioning this 0:23:11.910 --> 0:23:15.510 third cup as his redemption. This is the new covenant 0:23:15.510 --> 0:23:17.880 in my blood. He has redeemed us by his own 0:23:17.880 --> 0:23:20.850 blood and established the new covenant with it. And he 0:23:20.850 --> 0:23:23.220 uses the the cup of redemption to do that. 0:23:23.220 --> 0:23:26.040 So let me just add here that when the disciples 0:23:26.040 --> 0:23:28.810 heard him say, this is the new covenant, They didn't think, oh, 0:23:28.810 --> 0:23:31.359 this is a new idea that I've never heard of before, 0:23:31.359 --> 0:23:34.630 but they would remember what the prophet Jeremiah had said 0:23:34.630 --> 0:23:37.030 that the days are coming, declares the Lord. This is 0:23:37.030 --> 0:23:40.420 in Jeremiah 3131, when I will make a new covenant 0:23:40.420 --> 0:23:42.790 with the house of Israel and the house of Judah, 0:23:42.820 --> 0:23:46.960 not like the covenant that I made at Sinai, but 0:23:46.960 --> 0:23:49.300 this covenant will I will make with the house of 0:23:49.300 --> 0:23:54.100 Israel after those days the final covenant. That was the 0:23:54.100 --> 0:23:57.609 covenant that was introduced right here by Jesus. That's the 0:23:57.609 --> 0:23:58.450 new covenant. 0:23:58.450 --> 0:24:03.190 So so here's the thing. Here's a little hermeneutics lesson. 0:24:03.220 --> 0:24:06.700 You see the word cup. Don't presume that every time 0:24:06.700 --> 0:24:08.950 you see the word cup it means exactly the same thing. 0:24:08.950 --> 0:24:12.010 You have to say, okay, in context, what is he 0:24:12.010 --> 0:24:15.730 alluding to? So you have the cup of judgment that's there. 0:24:15.760 --> 0:24:20.140 There's also libations, right? That's the one that Paul was 0:24:20.140 --> 0:24:23.409 referring to. And then what Jesus was talking about in 0:24:23.410 --> 0:24:27.350 terms of the this is the new covenant in my blood. 0:24:27.350 --> 0:24:31.040 That third cup that that's a different cup. Yet it's 0:24:31.040 --> 0:24:35.210 the cup from Passover. So, uh, one of the mistakes 0:24:35.210 --> 0:24:37.310 that we make is we get things to be we 0:24:37.310 --> 0:24:40.400 say they're all the same thing and they're not. And 0:24:40.400 --> 0:24:42.770 I see people make that same mistake all the time 0:24:42.770 --> 0:24:45.740 when they're studying the Bible. They grab one word and 0:24:45.740 --> 0:24:49.070 they want to make it represent the same thing every place. 0:24:49.070 --> 0:24:50.929 We have to read it in context, know what the 0:24:50.930 --> 0:24:54.050 whole word is talking about and refer to that. Does 0:24:54.050 --> 0:24:56.330 that make sense to everyone? Yeah, yeah, I think I 0:24:56.330 --> 0:25:00.889 think when we give words technical meaning, uh, one of 0:25:00.920 --> 0:25:03.320 one of my favorites is that people will pull the 0:25:03.320 --> 0:25:06.800 word where Stephen talks about the church in the wilderness 0:25:07.190 --> 0:25:08.929 and they say, oh, see, there's a church in the 0:25:08.930 --> 0:25:13.310 Old Testament. No, there wasn't the word ecclesia that that 0:25:13.310 --> 0:25:16.969 he uses just means the gathering. And it comes to 0:25:17.000 --> 0:25:19.850 mean something later on of a gathering of, you know, 0:25:19.880 --> 0:25:24.409 the body of Christ. But when when Stephen uses it, 0:25:24.440 --> 0:25:27.000 he's just using it as a gathering. And then when 0:25:27.030 --> 0:25:29.550 it's used in acts 19, it's used of a mob. 0:25:30.060 --> 0:25:33.389 So you can't always give it a technical sense. You 0:25:33.390 --> 0:25:35.610 have to be careful and read it in its context. 0:25:35.609 --> 0:25:38.220 So anyway, that's how the. 0:25:38.220 --> 0:25:39.270 Cup is more than a cup. 0:25:39.480 --> 0:25:42.150 Or sometimes many times more. We're going to be back 0:25:42.150 --> 0:25:44.399 with more of the questions you've sent in on this 0:25:44.400 --> 0:25:47.850 special all male bag, all the time edition of Open 0:25:47.850 --> 0:25:51.660 Line with Tricia McMillan and me, Mike Radonich. So don't 0:25:51.660 --> 0:25:52.200 go away. 0:25:52.200 --> 0:25:53.280 We'll be right back. 0:25:58.170 --> 0:26:01.530 We're so glad that Febc partners with Open Line with 0:26:01.530 --> 0:26:06.120 Doctor Michael Radonich, bringing the Febc mailbag every week. Learn 0:26:06.119 --> 0:26:09.030 how far East Broadcasting Company is taking Christ to the 0:26:09.030 --> 0:26:13.560 world at febc. Org on their weekly podcast. 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Well, Tricia. 0:27:03.270 --> 0:27:03.900 Yes. 0:27:03.930 --> 0:27:04.710 Okay. 0:27:04.740 --> 0:27:05.189 You ready? 0:27:05.220 --> 0:27:07.050 You got you have you have them here for me 0:27:07.050 --> 0:27:09.990 I see it, and Eva's ready. So. All right. 0:27:10.140 --> 0:27:12.119 We're going to go to first Peter three. Okay. 0:27:12.150 --> 0:27:12.929 Oh there we go. 0:27:13.800 --> 0:27:16.560 So we had two listeners who wrote us with this 0:27:16.590 --> 0:27:20.399 similar question, Juanita in Chattanooga, Tennessee. And Rosa wrote us 0:27:20.400 --> 0:27:25.270 on Facebook. Um, does first Peter 319 mean that Jesus 0:27:25.270 --> 0:27:27.939 went to hell and preached during the three days he 0:27:27.940 --> 0:27:30.550 was in the grave? I know Christ told the thief 0:27:30.550 --> 0:27:32.439 on the cross next to him, today you will be 0:27:32.440 --> 0:27:35.379 with me in Paradise. So when a person told me 0:27:35.380 --> 0:27:38.650 that first Peter 319 meant that Christ went to hell 0:27:38.650 --> 0:27:41.950 and preached, I was very disturbed. She's a regular Saturday 0:27:41.950 --> 0:27:46.570 morning listener. And then Rosa wanted to know, because the 0:27:46.570 --> 0:27:49.960 Bible says that Jesus descended to hell before he went 0:27:49.960 --> 0:27:54.459 up to the father. What was the purpose of it? Okay. Well, 0:27:54.460 --> 0:27:57.310 so did he descend to hell? I mean, what? 0:27:57.490 --> 0:27:58.750 That's the bottom line right there. 0:27:58.780 --> 0:27:59.230 Well. 0:28:00.220 --> 0:28:04.720 In in the gospels, at the crucifixion, it is absolutely 0:28:04.720 --> 0:28:06.940 true that Jesus said, this day you'll be together with 0:28:06.940 --> 0:28:09.700 me in Paradise. He said that to the thief. And 0:28:09.700 --> 0:28:14.560 I believe that was when the Lord Jesus went. Well, 0:28:14.560 --> 0:28:18.010 he says, father, into your hands I commit my spirit. Right. 0:28:18.130 --> 0:28:21.680 So His spirit went to be with his father immediately 0:28:21.680 --> 0:28:25.310 upon death. He was. The word Paradise has to do 0:28:25.310 --> 0:28:28.250 with the Jewish word that was called that we would 0:28:28.250 --> 0:28:32.120 call heaven. The presence of God. And so it doesn't 0:28:32.119 --> 0:28:37.340 appear to me that Jesus descended to hell. So first 0:28:37.340 --> 0:28:39.380 Peter three. What's it talking about, Eva? Do you have 0:28:39.380 --> 0:28:42.830 your first Peter three there in in the official the 0:28:42.830 --> 0:28:44.180 new American Standard Version? 0:28:44.210 --> 0:28:45.080 Do you want me to start to read. 0:28:45.350 --> 0:28:47.030 Read verses, uh. 0:28:47.480 --> 0:28:49.070 17 through 19? 0:28:49.220 --> 0:28:50.630 Uh, yeah. Do that. For it is. 0:28:50.630 --> 0:28:53.000 Better if God should will it so that, uh. 0:28:53.030 --> 0:28:53.840 Start with verse 18. 0:28:53.870 --> 0:28:57.170 Yeah. For Messiah also died for sin once for all 0:28:57.170 --> 0:28:59.540 the just for the unjust, so that he might bring 0:28:59.540 --> 0:29:02.240 us to God, having been put to death in the flesh, 0:29:02.240 --> 0:29:05.270 but made alive in the spirit, in which also he 0:29:05.270 --> 0:29:08.900 went and made proclamation to the spirits now in prison, 0:29:08.930 --> 0:29:12.140 who once were disobedient, when the patience of God kept 0:29:12.140 --> 0:29:14.600 waiting in the days of Noah during the construction of 0:29:14.600 --> 0:29:17.180 the ark, in which a few, that is, eight persons 0:29:17.180 --> 0:29:18.110 were brought safely through. 0:29:18.140 --> 0:29:22.110 That's good. So here we go. It seems to me 0:29:22.110 --> 0:29:27.990 that people have made a an idea that that they 0:29:27.990 --> 0:29:31.650 took it from the Apostles Creed, where it says he 0:29:31.650 --> 0:29:35.430 descended to hell. It never says that he descended to hell. 0:29:35.460 --> 0:29:37.800 It says that he he went. How does your verse 0:29:37.800 --> 0:29:39.750 19 say in that way? Or is it in. 0:29:39.750 --> 0:29:42.450 Which also he went and made proclamation? So he talked 0:29:42.450 --> 0:29:44.220 about the spirit, and then in which he also. 0:29:44.220 --> 0:29:47.820 Made he made proclamation to the spirits in prison. I 0:29:47.820 --> 0:29:50.130 believe that should be understood as the spirits who are 0:29:50.130 --> 0:29:52.440 now in prison. 0:29:52.590 --> 0:29:54.690 New American standard supplies that. Yeah. 0:29:55.230 --> 0:29:57.690 The spirits who are now in prison, who in the 0:29:57.690 --> 0:30:00.540 past were disobedient when God patiently waited in the days 0:30:00.540 --> 0:30:03.540 of Noah. So it's talking about here's what happened. There 0:30:03.540 --> 0:30:06.570 were people who were disobedient in the days of Noah. 0:30:06.600 --> 0:30:09.210 That's why God judged the world. And during the whole 0:30:09.210 --> 0:30:11.370 time Noah was building the ark, he's telling them to 0:30:11.400 --> 0:30:18.240 repent and they remain disobedient. And the message was proclaimed 0:30:18.240 --> 0:30:21.430 to them to repent and they wouldn't listen. And so 0:30:21.430 --> 0:30:24.370 he went and made proclamation to the spirits who are 0:30:24.370 --> 0:30:27.580 now in prison, when? When they were still alive. How 0:30:27.580 --> 0:30:29.320 did he do it? Through Noah. 0:30:29.470 --> 0:30:32.620 So the in prison, though, is referring to hell. 0:30:32.650 --> 0:30:36.790 It's referring to people who are bound, awaiting future judgment. Okay. Yeah. 0:30:37.090 --> 0:30:37.360 So they're. 0:30:37.390 --> 0:30:39.640 There now. But when they were hearing the message, they 0:30:39.640 --> 0:30:41.710 were alive in the days of Noah. And it was 0:30:41.710 --> 0:30:44.470 being taught to them by Noah, by the power of 0:30:44.470 --> 0:30:44.950 the Holy Spirit. 0:30:44.980 --> 0:30:48.370 Yeah. And in the same way, I mean that people say, well, 0:30:48.370 --> 0:30:50.650 why does it say that Jesus proclaimed Jesus proclaimed it 0:30:50.650 --> 0:30:54.040 through Noah in the same way that it says in 0:30:54.040 --> 0:30:56.469 Ephesians two he preached peace to those of you who 0:30:56.500 --> 0:31:00.640 are far, and those of you who are near. Uh, well, 0:31:00.640 --> 0:31:04.720 Jesus really didn't go preach to the Gentiles. But the 0:31:04.720 --> 0:31:06.670 reason he did it is he preached through the. It 0:31:06.670 --> 0:31:08.530 can say that he preached to the those who were 0:31:08.530 --> 0:31:12.520 far the Gentiles. Why? Because he preached through the apostles 0:31:12.520 --> 0:31:15.880 to the Gentiles. And so to say that Jesus preached 0:31:15.880 --> 0:31:19.080 to someone doesn't mean or made proclamation doesn't mean that 0:31:19.080 --> 0:31:23.459 he had to have proclaimed it to them directly. He 0:31:23.460 --> 0:31:28.290 could use agents like Noah or the apostles to accomplish that. 0:31:28.290 --> 0:31:30.630 So I don't think it's talking about Jesus going to hell. 0:31:30.630 --> 0:31:33.750 The only other verse I think that people really rest 0:31:33.750 --> 0:31:38.700 on for saying that Jesus descended to hell is from John. 0:31:38.700 --> 0:31:44.880 When Mary Magdalene meets Jesus in the garden after the resurrection. 0:31:45.870 --> 0:31:49.320 She thinks he's the gardener. Do you remember that verse 0:31:49.710 --> 0:31:53.610 at the empty tomb? And she's crying and she doesn't 0:31:53.610 --> 0:31:57.540 recognize him. And then she sees him and he says 0:31:57.540 --> 0:32:00.540 in verse 17 of John 20, I have not yet 0:32:00.570 --> 0:32:04.290 ascended to the father. Let don't touch me. I've not 0:32:04.320 --> 0:32:06.300 yet ascended to the father. A lot of versions say, 0:32:06.300 --> 0:32:10.440 don't touch me. But the the, the clearest meaning of 0:32:10.440 --> 0:32:14.490 the Greek is stop clinging to me. I have not 0:32:14.490 --> 0:32:17.780 yet ascended to the father. That doesn't mean that his 0:32:17.780 --> 0:32:21.050 spirit didn't go to be with the father. Uh, when 0:32:21.050 --> 0:32:24.320 he died. But rather what that saying is I have 0:32:24.320 --> 0:32:28.640 not yet ascended as I will in acts one, 40 0:32:28.640 --> 0:32:32.930 days later. 40 days later. Literally bodily ascent. I've not 0:32:32.930 --> 0:32:34.940 done that. I'm still here with you. I'm going to 0:32:34.940 --> 0:32:36.680 be with you. Don't. You can let go of me. 0:32:36.680 --> 0:32:40.040 I'm not going anywhere. That's really what he's saying. I've 0:32:40.040 --> 0:32:42.950 not yet ascended to the father. I'm here with you, 0:32:42.950 --> 0:32:44.959 and I'm going to be teaching you guys for the 0:32:44.960 --> 0:32:48.380 next 40 days. That's what he did. And so that's 0:32:48.380 --> 0:32:51.140 not saying that there's some sort of, like, dangerous. Don't 0:32:51.170 --> 0:32:54.140 touch me. I'm not yet ascended. Uh, that's not what 0:32:54.140 --> 0:32:56.780 it's saying. Uh, it's saying I've not yet ascended to 0:32:56.780 --> 0:32:58.880 the father. You can let go of me. Okay. 0:32:59.270 --> 0:33:01.040 All right. Thank you for that. I hope that cleared 0:33:01.040 --> 0:33:03.110 it up for you. Rosa and Juanita and. 0:33:03.170 --> 0:33:05.000 I love one of the things that Wayne Grudem once 0:33:05.000 --> 0:33:09.890 said that about the Apostles Creed. He does remind us 0:33:10.310 --> 0:33:14.610 that the Apostles Creed that has this the earliest versions 0:33:14.610 --> 0:33:17.580 did not did not say that. And he said, even 0:33:17.580 --> 0:33:20.190 if it's old, even if it's an old error, it's 0:33:20.190 --> 0:33:25.050 still an error. So I like that even old mistakes 0:33:25.050 --> 0:33:26.970 are still mistakes. So. 0:33:27.360 --> 0:33:30.030 All right. Thank you. Our next question is from Esther 0:33:30.030 --> 0:33:33.690 in Tampa, Florida. Listens to kiss the Bible lists in 0:33:33.690 --> 0:33:37.110 first Corinthians six nine and ten, a group of people 0:33:37.110 --> 0:33:40.920 that will not inherit God's kingdom. Does this include believers 0:33:40.920 --> 0:33:45.479 that still uphold these habitual ungodly practices? Churches today are 0:33:45.480 --> 0:33:48.090 preaching that once you're saved, your past, current, and future 0:33:48.090 --> 0:33:50.460 sins are washed and covered by the blood of Christ 0:33:50.460 --> 0:33:54.120 and that they will go to heaven despite habitual knowing sins. 0:33:54.240 --> 0:33:56.730 In my heart, I see societies plummeting because of that 0:33:56.730 --> 0:33:59.760 philosophy or doctrine that I believe is deceptive based on 0:33:59.760 --> 0:34:03.360 what she thinks. First Corinthians six nine and ten is saying. 0:34:03.390 --> 0:34:06.240 So is that what it's saying? That this is believers 0:34:06.240 --> 0:34:09.120 who are still doing these practices? 0:34:09.150 --> 0:34:11.219 I mean, I look at this verse and it says 0:34:11.550 --> 0:34:14.799 it lists all these sins And obviously some are sexual, 0:34:14.800 --> 0:34:18.580 some are not. Uh, I think it's interesting that swindlers 0:34:18.580 --> 0:34:22.000 are included in there, but they're all very serious. 0:34:22.000 --> 0:34:22.630 Sins and greedy. 0:34:22.660 --> 0:34:28.390 People. Greedy people. Yeah, yeah. And, uh, covetous people. 0:34:28.420 --> 0:34:28.720 Yeah. 0:34:28.750 --> 0:34:33.280 Some of you were like this, but you were washed. 0:34:33.280 --> 0:34:35.950 You were sanctified. You were justified in the name of 0:34:35.950 --> 0:34:38.050 the Lord Jesus Christ and by the spirit of our God. 0:34:38.080 --> 0:34:41.259 That's talking. I find it interesting. He doesn't say you 0:34:41.260 --> 0:34:45.610 changed your behavior so much as you changed your spiritual condition. Now, 0:34:45.610 --> 0:34:48.190 I do believe he says, you were like this, but 0:34:48.190 --> 0:34:51.700 you're no longer. But what happened to them? They believed 0:34:51.700 --> 0:34:54.220 in Jesus and their sins were washed away. 0:34:54.250 --> 0:34:56.169 So she's looking at this verse. It's not really saying 0:34:56.170 --> 0:34:57.189 what she's saying. 0:34:57.190 --> 0:35:00.790 It's saying no. But they were changed. They were sanctified. 0:35:00.790 --> 0:35:03.490 And the word justified means declared righteous, not on the 0:35:03.489 --> 0:35:06.310 basis of our merit, not on the basis of our deeds, 0:35:06.310 --> 0:35:10.359 but declared righteous based on the righteousness of the Lord Jesus. 0:35:10.360 --> 0:35:13.609 That's what this is saying. We are declared righteous not 0:35:13.610 --> 0:35:15.529 because of anything we've done, but because of what he 0:35:15.530 --> 0:35:20.299 has done. And so that's a crucial perspective to get. 0:35:20.300 --> 0:35:24.050 And I do believe that Romans eight one is clear. 0:35:24.050 --> 0:35:26.060 There is no condemnation for those of us who are 0:35:26.060 --> 0:35:28.969 in Messiah Jesus. If we've put our trust in Jesus, 0:35:29.000 --> 0:35:33.680 our sins are forgiven past, present, and future. What do we. 0:35:33.860 --> 0:35:36.529 That doesn't mean, though, because they were forgiven that we 0:35:36.530 --> 0:35:39.379 can do anything we want. No, no. Should we sin? 0:35:39.380 --> 0:35:40.580 That grace may abound? 0:35:40.610 --> 0:35:42.110 Romans six says no, no. 0:35:42.140 --> 0:35:43.220 May it never be. Yeah. 0:35:43.250 --> 0:35:46.460 But on the other hand, there's a pattern. Sometimes if 0:35:46.460 --> 0:35:51.590 someone's in a just an uncaring, habitual sin, they just. 0:35:51.950 --> 0:35:53.930 This is what I do. This is me, man. This 0:35:53.930 --> 0:35:56.600 is what I'm like. Uh, then that might reflect someone 0:35:56.600 --> 0:35:59.000 that really doesn't understand the grace of God. 0:35:59.060 --> 0:36:02.180 The Popeye philosophy. I am what I am. Maybe you 0:36:02.180 --> 0:36:03.290 don't know what's going on. 0:36:03.320 --> 0:36:05.180 Yeah. Maybe you've never really trust the Lord. But other 0:36:05.180 --> 0:36:08.870 people struggle with sin and constantly confess it and turn 0:36:08.870 --> 0:36:11.140 it over to the Lord. The Lord's going to keep 0:36:11.140 --> 0:36:14.680 forgiving them and restoring them. That's that's a different story. 0:36:14.680 --> 0:36:16.540 So anyway, we're going to be back with more of 0:36:16.540 --> 0:36:19.240 your questions in just a moment with Tricia McMillan, Eva 0:36:19.390 --> 0:36:22.569 Dolnick and me, Michael Dolnick right here on Open Line. 0:36:22.600 --> 0:36:29.290 Stay with us. 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Our next question is from Wesley in Tennessee. 0:38:20.840 --> 0:38:26.149 Listen to Wpcm in Hebrews chapter ten, there's a passage 0:38:26.150 --> 0:38:29.270 that talks about trampling in the blood of trampling on 0:38:29.270 --> 0:38:32.719 the blood of Christ. Uh, he wants to know who 0:38:32.750 --> 0:38:36.560 this audience is that that it was being written to. 0:38:36.590 --> 0:38:38.689 It seems that it would be hard to go on 0:38:38.690 --> 0:38:42.020 sinning when just a couple chapters later, the author talks 0:38:42.020 --> 0:38:44.210 about being chastised by the Lord as a believer who 0:38:44.210 --> 0:38:48.410 continues in sin. So this is Hebrews ten starting at 0:38:48.410 --> 0:38:52.910 verse 26, and it goes through 29. 0:38:52.940 --> 0:38:56.270 Yeah, but here's what I'll read. If we deliberately sin 0:38:56.300 --> 0:38:59.509 after receiving the knowledge of the truth, there no longer 0:38:59.510 --> 0:39:04.100 remains a sacrifice for sins, but a terrifying expectation of 0:39:04.100 --> 0:39:07.610 judgment and the fury of fire about to consume the adversaries. 0:39:07.610 --> 0:39:11.569 And then how? If you scroll down, he's talking about 0:39:11.570 --> 0:39:13.820 those who in the law of Moses were punished. Then 0:39:13.820 --> 0:39:17.450 verse 29, how much worse punishment do you think one 0:39:17.450 --> 0:39:21.320 will deserve? Who has trampled the Son of God, regarded 0:39:21.320 --> 0:39:27.740 as profane, as ordinary, as insignificant, the blood of the 0:39:27.739 --> 0:39:31.490 covenant by which he was sanctified and insulted, the spirit 0:39:31.489 --> 0:39:36.230 of grace. Now, just to we have to understand the audience. 0:39:36.380 --> 0:39:39.320 This is a book written to the Hebrews that means 0:39:39.320 --> 0:39:43.190 to Jewish people. And these were Jewish people undergoing serious 0:39:43.190 --> 0:39:48.469 persecution just before the in the early 60s. That's the 0:39:48.469 --> 0:39:52.310 period of time. And some people were thinking, you know, 0:39:52.310 --> 0:39:54.860 what we need to do? What we should do is 0:39:54.860 --> 0:39:58.730 just stop identifying as followers of Jesus, kind of go 0:39:58.730 --> 0:40:03.140 back to traditional Judaism. And then when everything blows over, 0:40:03.140 --> 0:40:05.820 we can we can then get back. We can do that. 0:40:05.820 --> 0:40:08.640 But we don't have to identify as believers now. And 0:40:08.640 --> 0:40:12.540 so the writer of Hebrews is writing to the whole group. 0:40:12.540 --> 0:40:16.589 And yet he has these asides, these parenthetical portions where 0:40:16.590 --> 0:40:20.189 he warns those who are thinking about abandoning the faith 0:40:20.190 --> 0:40:21.870 and he thinks better of them. He doesn't think they 0:40:21.870 --> 0:40:23.970 will abandon the faith. But he's saying, if you abandon 0:40:24.000 --> 0:40:28.710 the faith, you're demonstrating that you really never knew the Lord, 0:40:28.710 --> 0:40:35.610 that if you apostatize, it demonstrates an evil, unbelieving heart 0:40:35.610 --> 0:40:39.000 that is not the heart of a believer, but it 0:40:39.000 --> 0:40:40.980 is the heart of someone who never knew the Lord. 0:40:40.980 --> 0:40:44.250 He's saying, you will have come close, but you know 0:40:44.280 --> 0:40:47.370 you really don't know him. And so in verse 26, 0:40:47.580 --> 0:40:51.150 he's it says, if we deliberately sin after receiving the 0:40:51.180 --> 0:40:54.419 knowledge of the truth in that context, it's not talking about, 0:40:54.450 --> 0:40:58.740 you know, I keep committing this particular sin and you 0:40:58.739 --> 0:41:02.310 can name the sin, uh, but it is talking about 0:41:02.440 --> 0:41:08.140 A special, specific sin that he's been talking about. And 0:41:08.140 --> 0:41:11.950 that's the sin of apostasy. If we deliberately commit the 0:41:11.950 --> 0:41:16.480 sin of apostasy after we know what's true, then the 0:41:16.480 --> 0:41:20.230 benefits of the atonement are no longer ours. Because what 0:41:20.230 --> 0:41:23.170 we're doing is we're taking the precious blood of the 0:41:23.170 --> 0:41:26.109 Messiah and trampling it under foot and saying it's not 0:41:26.110 --> 0:41:31.509 anything special at all. And so therefore, if we do that, 0:41:31.510 --> 0:41:34.600 we demonstrate that we don't know the Lord. So that's 0:41:34.600 --> 0:41:37.989 the specific sin it's talking about. Okay. Uh, did you 0:41:37.989 --> 0:41:39.969 want to add anything on that? No. That's good. Yeah. Okay. 0:41:40.090 --> 0:41:43.660 Thanks, Wesley, for that question. Dottie wrote us in Conyers, Georgia. 0:41:43.690 --> 0:41:47.319 Listens on our mobile app. What resources do you recommend 0:41:47.320 --> 0:41:50.740 for understanding end times prophecy? 0:41:50.980 --> 0:41:53.890 Yes, a couple that I thought when I saw that note, 0:41:54.250 --> 0:41:57.040 I thought Paul Walker's book on End Times prophecy. Just 0:41:57.070 --> 0:41:58.870 really basic. 0:41:58.900 --> 0:42:00.340 Understanding. End times prophecy. 0:42:00.370 --> 0:42:02.420 Yeah, I think it's the best book there is on that. 0:42:02.690 --> 0:42:06.290 Yeah. And if you are, if you really enjoy Erwin 0:42:06.290 --> 0:42:08.480 Lutzer style of writing, he also wrote The Coming King, 0:42:08.480 --> 0:42:10.370 which has to do with, yeah, I know the. 0:42:10.370 --> 0:42:11.720 Guy that wrote the foreword on that one. 0:42:11.750 --> 0:42:13.580 I heard that. I heard I heard of that guy. 0:42:13.610 --> 0:42:16.190 So I think those would be two good resources from 0:42:16.190 --> 0:42:19.730 a slightly different perspective, but good resources. Understanding end Times 0:42:19.730 --> 0:42:23.690 prophecy by Ben. Where or the Coming King by Erwin Lutzer. Yeah. 0:42:23.719 --> 0:42:27.620 Now, the thing Lutzer is definitely, uh, Pastor Luther's is 0:42:27.620 --> 0:42:29.030 very much more pastoral. 0:42:29.060 --> 0:42:30.830 Mhm. So it's kind of perspective. 0:42:30.860 --> 0:42:37.130 And then Paul Benware, it's a little bit more, uh, content, uh, 0:42:38.120 --> 0:42:41.420 more detailed in the content I would say. Uh, and 0:42:41.420 --> 0:42:43.190 both of them are really good friends of ours. And 0:42:43.190 --> 0:42:47.840 so I'm happy for anyone to read either of those books. Uh, 0:42:47.840 --> 0:42:50.569 but they're really, really helpful. Both of them. I really 0:42:50.570 --> 0:42:52.370 I really like the. If you want a little bit 0:42:52.370 --> 0:42:57.200 more detail about end times understanding end times prophecy. Uh, 0:42:57.200 --> 0:42:59.900 Paul Benware and both of them, by the way, are 0:42:59.900 --> 0:43:02.610 available through the Moody Publishers catalog. 0:43:02.790 --> 0:43:03.870 They're both. Moody publishers books. 0:43:04.380 --> 0:43:07.410 Great. Thanks for that question, Dottie. So that leads us into. 0:43:07.440 --> 0:43:13.620 Then Lisa wrote us. Sorry. Liz wrote us in Valparaiso, Indiana. 0:43:13.620 --> 0:43:18.029 Listens to WNBA. She's wondering if Christ will come back 0:43:18.030 --> 0:43:21.420 when everyone he has predetermined to give eternal life to 0:43:21.450 --> 0:43:23.640 has received it. Like, is that what we're waiting for? 0:43:23.670 --> 0:43:24.720 That there's this. 0:43:25.200 --> 0:43:25.920 The magic number. 0:43:25.950 --> 0:43:29.610 Is. Yeah. Like, okay, everyone's got the question. Um, number. 0:43:29.610 --> 0:43:30.419 16 is. 0:43:30.450 --> 0:43:34.170 When Christ comes back. Is that because everyone he has 0:43:34.170 --> 0:43:37.859 predetermined to give eternal life to has received it? Is 0:43:37.860 --> 0:43:41.040 that kind of the trigger? Oh, there's number whatever that. Okay. 0:43:41.040 --> 0:43:44.219 It flips this magic switch, and now now he can 0:43:44.219 --> 0:43:47.040 come back. Is that what we're waiting for? I love. 0:43:47.040 --> 0:43:47.700 It. I love. 0:43:47.700 --> 0:43:48.840 That image. Like Hollywood. 0:43:48.870 --> 0:43:53.790 No, I just don't, you know, I don't know. Uh, 0:43:54.150 --> 0:43:56.969 no one knows when he's coming back. He's. He will 0:43:56.969 --> 0:44:08.339 come back when it says, In Romans 11, uh, let's see, uh, 0:44:09.690 --> 0:44:13.140 Romans 11 that it talks about the not the times 0:44:13.140 --> 0:44:17.400 of the Gentiles, but the, uh, the fullness of the 0:44:17.400 --> 0:44:21.029 Gentiles come in, says so that this is and it's 0:44:21.030 --> 0:44:25.230 talking here at the end of the tribulation period, uh, the, 0:44:25.230 --> 0:44:29.399 the fullness of the Gentiles has come in. Uh, and 0:44:29.400 --> 0:44:32.640 in this way. And then all Israel will be saved. 0:44:32.640 --> 0:44:35.940 And so it's talking about that when I think the 0:44:35.940 --> 0:44:41.969 the last Gentile person will be saved. It doesn't say 0:44:41.969 --> 0:44:45.060 that God said, okay, that's the elect. Flip the switch. 0:44:45.060 --> 0:44:47.400 But when the last Gentile is saved, when the fullness 0:44:47.400 --> 0:44:49.410 of the Gentiles, when God has completed his work that 0:44:49.410 --> 0:44:53.190 he's doing to bring Gentile nations in, then, uh, the 0:44:53.190 --> 0:44:55.770 the nation of Israel will turn in faith to Jesus, 0:44:55.770 --> 0:44:59.950 and then he will be, all Israel will be saved. 0:44:59.950 --> 0:45:02.980 He'll save Israel. And that that's through the second coming. 0:45:02.980 --> 0:45:05.319 So I just don't I don't I think it may 0:45:05.350 --> 0:45:08.740 be so what she's saying, I just don't uh, that's 0:45:08.739 --> 0:45:11.379 sort of saying the election, God has determined the whole thing. 0:45:11.380 --> 0:45:13.210 And then, like you say, the switch. 0:45:13.300 --> 0:45:16.149 I'm just waiting for that person right there. Okay, that 0:45:16.150 --> 0:45:17.680 was it. That was my trigger. I don't think. 0:45:17.680 --> 0:45:20.350 It's like that. So. But, you know, I can see 0:45:20.350 --> 0:45:22.030 where the person's thinking that. But no. 0:45:22.060 --> 0:45:25.029 Yeah. Okay. Well, thanks for that question. Uh, and then 0:45:25.030 --> 0:45:29.050 Eunice wrote us from Miami, Florida. Revelation one seven says 0:45:29.050 --> 0:45:31.390 they will see him coming from heaven, even those who 0:45:31.390 --> 0:45:33.970 pierced him. Does this mean the ones who pierced Jesus 0:45:34.000 --> 0:45:38.469 were saved after Christ's death? My understanding of the rapture 0:45:38.469 --> 0:45:43.120 is that those who believe will be taken up. So 0:45:44.170 --> 0:45:46.960 in 60s or less. Yeah. 0:45:47.890 --> 0:45:50.830 Okay, I'm going to do this quick. Uh, revelation one 0:45:50.860 --> 0:45:57.080 seven is an allusion to Zechariah 1210, which is been. 0:45:57.110 --> 0:45:59.839 It says there that the they will look upon me 0:45:59.870 --> 0:46:03.530 whom they have pierced, as one mourns for an only son. 0:46:03.710 --> 0:46:08.150 And then this is saying in revelation one seven that 0:46:08.150 --> 0:46:11.750 all the tram, all the tribes of the land will 0:46:11.750 --> 0:46:14.660 mourn over him. That's talking about the Jewish people. So 0:46:14.660 --> 0:46:17.120 it's just saying that the Jewish people who were involved 0:46:17.120 --> 0:46:20.450 as a nation in the death of the Messiah, not 0:46:20.450 --> 0:46:24.740 all individuals, but that they will recognize him and turn 0:46:24.739 --> 0:46:28.070 in faith to him. So that's what it's talking about. 0:46:28.160 --> 0:46:31.340 I can't believe that's the that's the our. 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