1 00:00:05,920 --> 00:00:10,080 S1: Our lives are stories, and when we share those stories, 2 00:00:10,080 --> 00:00:14,360 S1: we find connection with each other. Common themes and struggles 3 00:00:14,360 --> 00:00:17,480 S1: and turning points. Today, on Chris Fabry Live, I want 4 00:00:17,480 --> 00:00:19,880 S1: you to meet Kristen. Part of her story is a 5 00:00:19,880 --> 00:00:22,800 S1: hard moment she had in a doctor's office when she 6 00:00:22,800 --> 00:00:25,840 S1: and her husband were given some really bad news about 7 00:00:25,840 --> 00:00:29,640 S1: one of the twins she was carrying. That season of 8 00:00:29,640 --> 00:00:32,559 S1: her life is what we're going to narrow down on today, 9 00:00:33,080 --> 00:00:35,400 S1: and I'm hoping it will, in some way help you 10 00:00:35,400 --> 00:00:38,000 S1: with something you might be going through right now. Give 11 00:00:38,000 --> 00:00:40,920 S1: you a little bit of hope. 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In that decision in the US, 35 00:02:04,980 --> 00:02:07,900 S1: I know it was overturned by the Supreme Court, but 36 00:02:07,900 --> 00:02:10,220 S1: every year I look at that date on the calendar 37 00:02:10,220 --> 00:02:16,100 S1: and I remember January 22nd, 1973, and there is this 38 00:02:16,860 --> 00:02:21,220 S1: this reaction that I have, this lament for all of 39 00:02:21,220 --> 00:02:25,419 S1: the lives lost between then and now and what that 40 00:02:25,419 --> 00:02:29,579 S1: decision did to the soul of our nation, and how 41 00:02:29,580 --> 00:02:32,060 S1: it shaped the minds and hearts of women and men 42 00:02:32,100 --> 00:02:36,780 S1: through the years. It's had far reaching effects. So with 43 00:02:36,780 --> 00:02:38,820 S1: that as a backdrop, I want to introduce you to 44 00:02:38,860 --> 00:02:42,340 S1: Kristen Rosa. She graduated with a Bachelor of Education degree 45 00:02:42,340 --> 00:02:47,220 S1: from the University of Alberta. She taught everything from English 46 00:02:47,220 --> 00:02:50,139 S1: at the University of at a university in China, to 47 00:02:50,180 --> 00:02:55,500 S1: kindergarten to employability skills for training for immigrant women. She 48 00:02:55,500 --> 00:02:59,410 S1: and her husband, But Mauricio were married in 2008, just 49 00:02:59,410 --> 00:03:01,690 S1: a couple of months after this program began. We were 50 00:03:01,690 --> 00:03:06,169 S1: talking about that before the program. He's a pastor in Calgary, Alberta, 51 00:03:06,410 --> 00:03:09,290 S1: and that is where they live with their three children. 52 00:03:09,490 --> 00:03:12,730 S1: Kristen's c h I s t I n is how 53 00:03:12,730 --> 00:03:16,650 S1: you spell her name. Kristen Rosa has written Saving Nate 54 00:03:16,889 --> 00:03:21,889 S1: Choosing life after a devastating prenatal diagnosis featured resource right 55 00:03:21,889 --> 00:03:25,730 S1: there Chris Fabry. Kristen, welcome to the program. How are 56 00:03:25,730 --> 00:03:26,530 S1: you doing today? 57 00:03:27,570 --> 00:03:29,890 S2: I'm doing great. Thank you so much for having me. 58 00:03:30,490 --> 00:03:33,010 S1: My first question is, how did a Canadian girl like 59 00:03:33,010 --> 00:03:36,090 S1: you who taught English in China, meet a fellow from Brazil? 60 00:03:37,130 --> 00:03:40,330 S2: Oh, yeah. Well, I definitely didn't think I was going 61 00:03:40,370 --> 00:03:43,450 S2: to marry a Brazilian, that's for sure. Um, but I 62 00:03:43,450 --> 00:03:45,850 S2: had been in China, and when it was time for 63 00:03:45,850 --> 00:03:48,610 S2: me to think about heading back home to Canada, I 64 00:03:48,610 --> 00:03:51,250 S2: started praying and asking the Lord, you know, what am 65 00:03:51,250 --> 00:03:53,890 S2: I going to do? I was thinking about jobs, and 66 00:03:54,130 --> 00:03:57,760 S2: I'm from a city called Edmonton and but God put 67 00:03:57,760 --> 00:04:00,839 S2: Calgary on my heart. And so I was like, well, God, like, 68 00:04:00,880 --> 00:04:02,440 S2: I don't know what you're doing, but I'm going to 69 00:04:02,440 --> 00:04:05,400 S2: apply for jobs in both cities. And, uh, so I 70 00:04:05,400 --> 00:04:08,280 S2: didn't hear back from anyone in Edmonton, but I did 71 00:04:08,320 --> 00:04:10,760 S2: actually get a couple of job interviews in Calgary and 72 00:04:10,760 --> 00:04:14,280 S2: ended up getting a job. So moved to Calgary, and 73 00:04:14,280 --> 00:04:16,720 S2: after a couple of months, I was kind of like, okay, 74 00:04:16,760 --> 00:04:19,000 S2: what am I doing here? I don't really know anyone. 75 00:04:19,320 --> 00:04:22,400 S2: And my family was hoping I would move back home 76 00:04:22,400 --> 00:04:26,120 S2: to Edmonton. Um, so I was actually thinking about, you know, 77 00:04:26,480 --> 00:04:30,040 S2: throwing in the towel and heading home and then and 78 00:04:30,040 --> 00:04:33,600 S2: then that's actually when I met Mauricio, uh, I visited 79 00:04:33,600 --> 00:04:36,880 S2: a church and joined the young adult group, and, and 80 00:04:36,880 --> 00:04:39,360 S2: I happened to meet him at a Bible study. And 81 00:04:39,360 --> 00:04:42,920 S2: so the rest is history. And we've been in Calgary now. Well, 82 00:04:42,920 --> 00:04:45,640 S2: I've been there for almost 20 years, and he's been 83 00:04:45,640 --> 00:04:49,280 S2: there even longer. Um, so yeah. And Calgary is now 84 00:04:49,279 --> 00:04:51,960 S2: our home. We we really, really like it there. Live 85 00:04:51,960 --> 00:04:55,390 S2: in the shadow of the Rocky Mountains And yeah, it's 86 00:04:55,390 --> 00:04:56,070 S2: been pretty good. 87 00:04:57,230 --> 00:05:01,029 S1: And then we'll fast forward a few years. In 2013, 88 00:05:01,029 --> 00:05:04,469 S1: you gave birth to Thomas, and at that point, did 89 00:05:04,470 --> 00:05:06,390 S1: you decide? Yeah, I think I want to I want 90 00:05:06,430 --> 00:05:08,870 S1: to stay home and be a full time mom. 91 00:05:10,230 --> 00:05:13,790 S2: I did, yeah. Actually, that's something that we, Maurizio and 92 00:05:13,790 --> 00:05:16,350 S2: I discussed even before we got married, when we were 93 00:05:16,350 --> 00:05:18,669 S2: thinking about marriage, was the hope that I would be 94 00:05:18,670 --> 00:05:22,150 S2: able to stay home with my kids. And, um. And so, yeah, 95 00:05:22,150 --> 00:05:25,470 S2: we had Thomas and and I was able to stay 96 00:05:25,470 --> 00:05:30,110 S2: home with him and, um. Yeah. And then after, you know, 97 00:05:30,150 --> 00:05:33,469 S2: he was a couple years old, we, we thought we would, 98 00:05:33,510 --> 00:05:37,710 S2: you know, try to expand our family. God willing. And, uh, 99 00:05:37,830 --> 00:05:40,710 S2: we experienced a little bit of infertility. But in the 100 00:05:40,750 --> 00:05:45,470 S2: summer of 2016, I found out that I was expecting again. 101 00:05:45,870 --> 00:05:48,990 S2: And of course, we were. We were really excited. And 102 00:05:48,990 --> 00:05:53,230 S2: then in August of that summer, uh, we went for 103 00:05:53,230 --> 00:05:58,109 S2: the dating ultrasound and found out that we were expecting twins. Um, 104 00:05:58,750 --> 00:06:01,630 S2: so that was kind of a shock. But, you know, 105 00:06:01,670 --> 00:06:06,150 S2: obviously we were so once we, you know, over, you know, 106 00:06:06,190 --> 00:06:09,830 S2: got past the shock, we were just super excited and 107 00:06:09,830 --> 00:06:15,990 S2: then start preparing to welcome two babies into our home. And, um, 108 00:06:15,990 --> 00:06:19,310 S2: so leading into the fall, we, uh, was looking forward 109 00:06:19,310 --> 00:06:21,990 S2: to the 18 week ultrasound because that's the one where 110 00:06:21,990 --> 00:06:24,790 S2: we were going to find out the gender of the babies. And, 111 00:06:24,990 --> 00:06:27,830 S2: you know, we were you know, we're kind of had 112 00:06:27,830 --> 00:06:31,670 S2: a running kind of a bet going on with our family. Like, 113 00:06:31,670 --> 00:06:33,109 S2: what were we going to have? Was it going to 114 00:06:33,110 --> 00:06:36,070 S2: be two boys, two girls, a boy and a girl? 115 00:06:36,510 --> 00:06:39,310 S2: And uh, so we went into this 18 week ultrasound 116 00:06:39,310 --> 00:06:44,830 S2: just really excited. And, uh, there was there was not 117 00:06:44,830 --> 00:06:47,710 S2: even a thought in our mind that, you know, we 118 00:06:47,710 --> 00:06:51,390 S2: might hear something, uh, you know, that there might be something. 119 00:06:52,740 --> 00:06:55,820 S2: like a health concern with the baby. Um, and so 120 00:06:56,180 --> 00:06:58,980 S2: in that appointment, we found out that we were having 121 00:06:58,980 --> 00:07:03,500 S2: a boy and a girl, um, which was just amazing. Um, 122 00:07:03,660 --> 00:07:07,339 S2: but then the ultrasound technician, she she kind of said 123 00:07:07,339 --> 00:07:10,020 S2: that she needed to go talk to the doctor and 124 00:07:10,020 --> 00:07:12,740 S2: bring him in. And so this doctor came in and 125 00:07:12,740 --> 00:07:16,700 S2: told us that they had discovered, um, that our little 126 00:07:16,740 --> 00:07:22,020 S2: boy had something called congenital diaphragmatic hernia. And he didn't 127 00:07:22,020 --> 00:07:25,580 S2: really give us any, you know, much detail about the condition. 128 00:07:25,580 --> 00:07:27,580 S2: Just told us that they were going to refer us 129 00:07:27,580 --> 00:07:32,420 S2: to a clinic for high risk pregnancies. Um, and I 130 00:07:32,420 --> 00:07:34,220 S2: would be going there the following week, and they were 131 00:07:34,220 --> 00:07:37,220 S2: going to do an in-depth ultrasound and just, you know, 132 00:07:37,260 --> 00:07:41,260 S2: find out more, um, about, you know, how he was 133 00:07:41,260 --> 00:07:45,020 S2: doing and, and kind of go from there. Um, and 134 00:07:45,020 --> 00:07:50,370 S2: so the, the week leading up to that appointment, um, ratio. 135 00:07:50,370 --> 00:07:53,650 S2: And I, you know, we were we weren't overly concerned. 136 00:07:53,650 --> 00:07:57,130 S2: We kind of, I guess we were just hoping and 137 00:07:57,130 --> 00:08:00,450 S2: praying that whatever it was, was going to be something 138 00:08:00,450 --> 00:08:03,250 S2: that would be easily resolved. You know, that, you know, 139 00:08:03,290 --> 00:08:05,290 S2: within that week, God was going to heal our little 140 00:08:05,330 --> 00:08:08,690 S2: boy and everything was going to be fine. Um, and 141 00:08:08,690 --> 00:08:15,330 S2: so we went into this next appointment, uh, really unprepared for, 142 00:08:15,970 --> 00:08:20,010 S2: for the, the news that we received that day. Um, 143 00:08:20,610 --> 00:08:25,610 S2: so I went in for this two hour long ultrasound and, uh, 144 00:08:25,610 --> 00:08:28,130 S2: and then after that, we were brought into a little 145 00:08:28,130 --> 00:08:31,970 S2: room and a doctor came in and sat down with us, 146 00:08:32,010 --> 00:08:35,210 S2: and she kind of explained to us in more detail 147 00:08:35,210 --> 00:08:39,770 S2: about what CDH or congenital diaphragmatic hernia is. So she 148 00:08:39,809 --> 00:08:42,810 S2: kind of explained to us that. So our son, he 149 00:08:42,809 --> 00:08:45,929 S2: had a very large hole in the right side of 150 00:08:45,929 --> 00:08:50,640 S2: his diaphragm muscle. And so what had happened was, um, 151 00:08:50,800 --> 00:08:54,160 S2: his intestines and part of his liver had moved up 152 00:08:54,160 --> 00:08:58,440 S2: into his chest, and they were crowding out his lungs. 153 00:08:58,480 --> 00:09:01,079 S2: So everything was shifted over a bit. His lungs and 154 00:09:01,080 --> 00:09:07,240 S2: his heart and his right lung was almost nonexistent. It 155 00:09:07,240 --> 00:09:10,440 S2: was tiny, um, because it didn't have room to develop. 156 00:09:10,440 --> 00:09:14,560 S2: And then his left lung was only 27% the size 157 00:09:14,559 --> 00:09:17,679 S2: of a regular sized lung. And so she explained to 158 00:09:17,720 --> 00:09:20,439 S2: us that because of the size of his lungs, he 159 00:09:20,440 --> 00:09:25,840 S2: had around a 25% chance of survival with treatment. Um, 160 00:09:25,840 --> 00:09:28,959 S2: and of course, he'd have no chance of survival without because, 161 00:09:29,240 --> 00:09:32,960 S2: you know, the moment of birth, like of him being born, 162 00:09:32,960 --> 00:09:36,040 S2: he would be unable to breathe. Um. 163 00:09:36,679 --> 00:09:39,960 S1: And so let's stop right there. Let's stop right there. 25%. 164 00:09:40,080 --> 00:09:45,720 S1: If if you intervene medically and I assume surgically, you'd 165 00:09:45,720 --> 00:09:48,270 S1: have to do something surgically here If you do that, 166 00:09:48,750 --> 00:09:53,910 S1: you've only got a 1 in 4 chance of survival. 167 00:09:53,950 --> 00:09:58,630 S1: Living there. Was that what they meant? Survival or, quote unquote, 168 00:09:58,630 --> 00:10:00,030 S1: quality of life? 169 00:10:02,030 --> 00:10:06,830 S2: As far as I understand, they meant survival. Um, so. Yeah. 170 00:10:06,950 --> 00:10:08,870 S2: And she actually did go on to tell us some 171 00:10:08,870 --> 00:10:10,990 S2: of the long term health effects that he could have 172 00:10:11,030 --> 00:10:18,110 S2: if he survived. Um, but yeah. So they they did not. Yeah. 173 00:10:18,110 --> 00:10:21,710 S2: They really didn't think he, he was going to make it, 174 00:10:21,750 --> 00:10:26,630 S2: you know, if he were to receive treatment. Um, because yeah, 175 00:10:26,670 --> 00:10:30,470 S2: most babies with this severity of CDH in the past 176 00:10:30,470 --> 00:10:34,350 S2: just would not have made it. Um, yeah. 177 00:10:35,230 --> 00:10:39,870 S1: So she used a a word that you had to 178 00:10:40,070 --> 00:10:43,670 S1: do a double take on. And when we come back, 179 00:10:43,670 --> 00:10:46,500 S1: I want to tell you what that word is. And 180 00:10:46,500 --> 00:10:49,340 S1: my hope today as we talk with Kristen Rose, is 181 00:10:49,340 --> 00:10:52,620 S1: that if you have had this kind of diagnosis, well, 182 00:10:52,620 --> 00:10:56,300 S1: if you have, you're reliving this right now. But if 183 00:10:56,540 --> 00:11:00,179 S1: if you have this diagnosis or you're going to have 184 00:11:00,179 --> 00:11:03,060 S1: one in the future, I want you to hear the 185 00:11:03,059 --> 00:11:06,180 S1: rest of the story. It's told in the book Saving 186 00:11:06,220 --> 00:11:11,740 S1: Nate Choosing Life After a Devastating Prenatal Diagnosis. It's our 187 00:11:11,740 --> 00:11:17,459 S1: featured resource. Click through today's information right there at Kris. Kris. 188 00:11:18,300 --> 00:11:34,500 S1: For more the story straight ahead on Moody Radio. We're 189 00:11:34,500 --> 00:11:39,260 S1: talking with Kristen Rosa today, author of Saving Nate. You 190 00:11:39,260 --> 00:11:46,770 S1: can find it at the website. Kris. Kris. We had 191 00:11:46,770 --> 00:11:51,530 S1: just cut away there, Kristen, as you were describing what 192 00:11:51,530 --> 00:11:55,330 S1: happened in that doctor's office. And this is 18 weeks, 193 00:11:55,330 --> 00:11:58,010 S1: and then the week later, 19 weeks, you get the 194 00:11:58,010 --> 00:12:03,050 S1: further development of the ultrasound and you hear the doctor 195 00:12:03,090 --> 00:12:07,250 S1: say something. She uses a word to you that you 196 00:12:07,250 --> 00:12:10,329 S1: didn't really understand. And both you and Mauricio are there. 197 00:12:10,370 --> 00:12:14,890 S1: And the word was reduction. So pick up the story 198 00:12:14,890 --> 00:12:15,610 S1: right there. 199 00:12:16,570 --> 00:12:21,650 S2: Sure. Yeah. So after explaining to us the severity of 200 00:12:21,809 --> 00:12:26,010 S2: the CDH, um, and I was just trying to process everything. 201 00:12:26,050 --> 00:12:28,170 S2: I'm kind of an introvert, and I need time to 202 00:12:28,210 --> 00:12:32,050 S2: think about things and and so but without kind of 203 00:12:32,090 --> 00:12:36,330 S2: giving any time to ask questions or anything she says 204 00:12:36,330 --> 00:12:40,850 S2: to us, like, given the severity of the fetus's condition, 205 00:12:40,850 --> 00:12:45,840 S2: you may want to consider Having a reduction. And so 206 00:12:47,080 --> 00:12:49,960 S2: to be honest, I was I didn't like in that moment. 207 00:12:49,960 --> 00:12:51,880 S2: I didn't know what she was talking about. I was 208 00:12:51,880 --> 00:12:55,280 S2: quite confused. And then, you know, it took a couple 209 00:12:55,280 --> 00:12:59,160 S2: seconds and I realized like, oh, like she's she's suggesting 210 00:12:59,160 --> 00:13:04,560 S2: we abort our little boy, like we kill our little boy. And, uh, 211 00:13:04,800 --> 00:13:09,680 S2: I was utterly shocked. I didn't I had no words. 212 00:13:09,679 --> 00:13:12,719 S2: I did not know how to respond to that. Um, 213 00:13:12,720 --> 00:13:16,520 S2: it was the the last thing I ever expected to 214 00:13:16,559 --> 00:13:19,960 S2: hear that day when we went, you know, for this appointment. Um, 215 00:13:20,559 --> 00:13:25,040 S2: but I'm really thankful that Mauricio was there because, you know, 216 00:13:25,080 --> 00:13:29,480 S2: he he immediately spoke up. He he said, you know, 217 00:13:29,520 --> 00:13:32,200 S2: we know that you're talking about abortion. And we want 218 00:13:32,200 --> 00:13:35,600 S2: you to know that, you know, we we're for life 219 00:13:35,600 --> 00:13:39,880 S2: and and we're going to fight for our son's life. And, uh, 220 00:13:40,360 --> 00:13:43,990 S2: you know, I in that moment, I, I wasn't expecting 221 00:13:44,030 --> 00:13:46,150 S2: I wasn't expecting any of this, to be honest. But 222 00:13:46,150 --> 00:13:48,710 S2: I was a little embarrassed that he spoke so forthrightly. 223 00:13:48,710 --> 00:13:51,750 S2: But I'm also really thankful that he did, though, because 224 00:13:51,750 --> 00:13:55,750 S2: I wasn't prepared to to speak up for our son 225 00:13:55,750 --> 00:13:58,510 S2: at that moment. So yeah, that's kind of that's kind 226 00:13:58,510 --> 00:14:03,790 S2: of what happened. Um, yeah, it was very, very difficult 227 00:14:03,790 --> 00:14:05,670 S2: thing to hear in the moment for sure. 228 00:14:05,910 --> 00:14:09,069 S1: Right. Because there's, there's a thousand things going through your 229 00:14:09,070 --> 00:14:12,030 S1: mind about, okay. So what is the treatment? What are 230 00:14:12,030 --> 00:14:14,390 S1: we going to do here. And then you hear reduction. 231 00:14:14,390 --> 00:14:19,190 S1: It's like they're giving up. And Mauricio was saying, uh, 232 00:14:19,870 --> 00:14:21,870 S1: time out here. No, we're not going to do that. 233 00:14:21,910 --> 00:14:25,350 S1: So but that wasn't the last doctor's appointment, right? 234 00:14:26,750 --> 00:14:31,070 S2: No, no it wasn't. Um, from that moment onward, I 235 00:14:31,110 --> 00:14:35,830 S2: needed to go every couple weeks to this clinic, and, um, 236 00:14:35,950 --> 00:14:39,030 S2: you know, they. Yeah. It's interesting. I just want to 237 00:14:39,030 --> 00:14:41,300 S2: go back a little bit, but she didn't talk. This 238 00:14:41,300 --> 00:14:46,060 S2: doctor didn't talk about treatment at all. Um, and, uh, 239 00:14:46,060 --> 00:14:49,900 S2: it wasn't even part of the discussion at this point. But, 240 00:14:49,940 --> 00:14:52,260 S2: you know, we made it very clear that, you know, 241 00:14:52,300 --> 00:14:57,020 S2: we weren't going to abort our son. And, um, but, yeah, 242 00:14:57,060 --> 00:15:01,220 S2: they so the following week, they they set us up, uh, 243 00:15:01,220 --> 00:15:05,860 S2: to meet with a geneticist and, and I, you know, 244 00:15:05,900 --> 00:15:10,060 S2: after this initial appointment, receiving the full scope of the CDH. 245 00:15:10,100 --> 00:15:12,540 S2: And I told Marissa, I'm like, you know what? Now 246 00:15:12,580 --> 00:15:16,180 S2: I really think they're going to suggest again that we 247 00:15:16,180 --> 00:15:18,980 S2: have an abortion. And Reese was like, really? Like, I 248 00:15:18,980 --> 00:15:21,260 S2: don't know. I'm like, oh, yeah, just you wait. And 249 00:15:21,260 --> 00:15:23,620 S2: then sure enough, we go for this appointment. And they 250 00:15:23,620 --> 00:15:27,380 S2: didn't have any genetic information from the baby or from us, 251 00:15:27,380 --> 00:15:30,700 S2: but they they kind of explained that they thought he 252 00:15:30,700 --> 00:15:35,220 S2: probably had some additional congenital issues. And once again suggested 253 00:15:35,220 --> 00:15:40,610 S2: that we consider having an abortion. Um, And once again 254 00:15:40,610 --> 00:15:45,370 S2: Mauricio spoke up and said, uh, no, like we're not 255 00:15:45,370 --> 00:15:48,930 S2: going to do that. Um, so and then yeah, so 256 00:15:48,930 --> 00:15:52,770 S2: going on like through the pregnancy, every couple of weeks, 257 00:15:52,970 --> 00:15:55,290 S2: I was meeting with a different doctor in this clinic. 258 00:15:55,330 --> 00:15:57,530 S2: You know, I didn't actually have one doctor. They were 259 00:15:57,530 --> 00:15:59,130 S2: on a rotation, so I didn't know who I was 260 00:15:59,130 --> 00:16:03,130 S2: going to see every week. And we were offered abortion, 261 00:16:03,530 --> 00:16:07,450 S2: you know, a couple more times. And then once they realized, like, 262 00:16:07,450 --> 00:16:12,090 S2: we were not changing our mind, um, they, they then 263 00:16:12,090 --> 00:16:16,210 S2: suggested we choose Palliation. And so what they meant by 264 00:16:16,210 --> 00:16:19,330 S2: that was that we would give birth to our son 265 00:16:19,330 --> 00:16:23,410 S2: and then, uh, and then they would not do anything 266 00:16:23,450 --> 00:16:27,850 S2: to treat him that, you know, we would just, you know, 267 00:16:27,890 --> 00:16:30,850 S2: I'd probably get to hold him and and then he would, 268 00:16:30,850 --> 00:16:35,090 S2: he would pass and, uh, and with this suggestion, same 269 00:16:35,090 --> 00:16:36,810 S2: thing we just said, you know, I don't know, I 270 00:16:36,810 --> 00:16:39,000 S2: guess God put it in us, but we just really 271 00:16:39,000 --> 00:16:42,840 S2: wanted him to receive treatment like we we wanted them 272 00:16:42,840 --> 00:16:45,960 S2: to fight for him. And so we said no to 273 00:16:46,000 --> 00:16:50,240 S2: Palliation as well. And I've since learned that it's it's 274 00:16:50,240 --> 00:16:54,480 S2: called perinatal hospice. And for babies who, you know, really, truly, 275 00:16:54,960 --> 00:16:58,520 S2: there is no treatment available for them. It's actually a 276 00:16:58,520 --> 00:17:03,400 S2: really beautiful option. It's a it's a life honoring option 277 00:17:03,680 --> 00:17:07,639 S2: for those babies. You know, who who aren't, um, expected 278 00:17:07,640 --> 00:17:10,760 S2: to survive because the parents actually get to hold their 279 00:17:10,760 --> 00:17:13,800 S2: babies and, and meet them and love them and give 280 00:17:13,800 --> 00:17:18,880 S2: them the dignity and honor of of being loved. You know, 281 00:17:18,920 --> 00:17:22,720 S2: and receiving a name and, um, which is something that 282 00:17:22,720 --> 00:17:26,960 S2: does not happen with abortion. Um, yeah. 283 00:17:27,200 --> 00:17:31,320 S1: So, so, so did you name your son and daughter 284 00:17:31,320 --> 00:17:34,640 S1: in utero? At what point did you choose names? 285 00:17:35,720 --> 00:17:39,960 S2: We did. Yes. So I think so. We received this 286 00:17:40,000 --> 00:17:42,920 S2: the prenatal diagnosis in November. And I think by January 287 00:17:42,920 --> 00:17:46,760 S2: we had chosen their names, uh, for, for our son. 288 00:17:46,800 --> 00:17:51,840 S2: We named him Nathaniel Joshua. And we really wanted to 289 00:17:51,880 --> 00:17:56,440 S2: choose a name for him that was meaningful, that would 290 00:17:56,920 --> 00:18:01,040 S2: show everyone, you know that he wasn't a mistake and 291 00:18:01,040 --> 00:18:02,840 S2: that God had a plan and purpose for his life. 292 00:18:02,840 --> 00:18:06,760 S2: And so Nathaniel means gift of God. And we chose 293 00:18:06,760 --> 00:18:10,560 S2: that one very, very meaningfully because we wanted everyone to know, like, 294 00:18:10,600 --> 00:18:15,160 S2: this boy is a gift. He's not disposable. And, you know, 295 00:18:15,200 --> 00:18:19,640 S2: God's the one weaving him together in my womb. And, uh, 296 00:18:19,640 --> 00:18:21,280 S2: you know, and so that was his first name. And 297 00:18:21,280 --> 00:18:24,960 S2: then his middle name is Joshua. And Joshua means the 298 00:18:24,960 --> 00:18:28,320 S2: Lord is my salvation. And we chose that name because 299 00:18:28,320 --> 00:18:31,360 S2: we really believe that, you know, well, we didn't know 300 00:18:31,359 --> 00:18:33,439 S2: the outcome. We didn't know if he was going to survive. 301 00:18:33,480 --> 00:18:36,670 S2: But we we we strongly believe that God was going 302 00:18:36,710 --> 00:18:39,149 S2: to save him one way or the other. Either, you know, 303 00:18:40,230 --> 00:18:43,390 S2: save him physically and that he would eventually come home 304 00:18:43,390 --> 00:18:46,669 S2: from the hospital and and live his life, or that 305 00:18:46,670 --> 00:18:49,070 S2: God was going to take him home to be with 306 00:18:49,190 --> 00:18:51,830 S2: with the Lord in heaven. And and our son was 307 00:18:51,830 --> 00:18:55,230 S2: going to live eternally there with with the Lord. So 308 00:18:55,230 --> 00:18:58,510 S2: one way or the other, he was going to be saved. Um, 309 00:18:58,710 --> 00:19:01,470 S2: and so we we chose those names for him. And then, uh, 310 00:19:01,470 --> 00:19:05,950 S2: for our daughter, we named her Emma. Elizabeth consecrated to God. 311 00:19:05,950 --> 00:19:11,109 S2: And at the moment, I'm actually not remembering what Elizabeth means, but, um. But. Yeah, 312 00:19:11,109 --> 00:19:13,030 S2: so we actually had a baby shower at the end 313 00:19:13,030 --> 00:19:17,030 S2: of January, and we were planning to keep the names 314 00:19:17,070 --> 00:19:20,949 S2: kind of a, you know, keep them a surprise for 315 00:19:20,950 --> 00:19:23,550 S2: when the babies were born. But, um, Mauricio decided to 316 00:19:23,590 --> 00:19:26,189 S2: share the names with everyone who was there. And we 317 00:19:26,190 --> 00:19:29,310 S2: had quite a large turnout with family and friends and 318 00:19:29,310 --> 00:19:32,750 S2: from people from the church. And, uh, but he, you know, 319 00:19:32,790 --> 00:19:35,540 S2: he just he wanted to share like, these are the 320 00:19:35,540 --> 00:19:37,700 S2: names of our kids. This is and this is, you know, 321 00:19:37,859 --> 00:19:41,460 S2: Nathaniel's name? He's a gift. And, uh, God has a 322 00:19:41,460 --> 00:19:45,020 S2: plan for his life. And so, uh, it was a 323 00:19:45,020 --> 00:19:48,659 S2: really beautiful baby shower. And, um, you know, they prayed 324 00:19:48,660 --> 00:19:52,900 S2: for us. They prayed for Nate, and, uh. Yeah. You know, 325 00:19:52,940 --> 00:19:56,420 S2: we had our whole community behind us, supporting us and 326 00:19:56,420 --> 00:19:58,940 S2: praying for us through all of this. So, yeah. 327 00:19:58,980 --> 00:20:04,260 S1: I believe Elizabeth, uh, from the Hebrew name Elisheva, uh, 328 00:20:04,300 --> 00:20:08,220 S1: means God's promise or God is my oath. Uh, so 329 00:20:08,220 --> 00:20:10,500 S1: there you go. Now, now, you know, a little bit, 330 00:20:10,540 --> 00:20:16,260 S1: a little bit more. Thankful for the internet. Um, so 331 00:20:17,460 --> 00:20:20,460 S1: the thing, the frustrating thing about as I read this 332 00:20:20,460 --> 00:20:23,540 S1: book is like, I'm so glad that you and your 333 00:20:23,540 --> 00:20:28,899 S1: husband were fighting for Nate. But those who took the 334 00:20:28,900 --> 00:20:32,570 S1: Hippocratic oath, those who said first do no harm. that 335 00:20:32,770 --> 00:20:36,290 S1: there was nobody there on the team saying, okay, this 336 00:20:36,290 --> 00:20:39,130 S1: is the decision. Good for you. So here's what we're 337 00:20:39,130 --> 00:20:42,010 S1: going to do. Here's the plan. Here's it's like you 338 00:20:42,050 --> 00:20:44,129 S1: didn't get that, did you? 339 00:20:44,410 --> 00:20:48,130 S2: No, we did not. Not at all. There was not 340 00:20:48,170 --> 00:20:51,650 S2: one doctor that we came across through the whole pregnancy 341 00:20:51,690 --> 00:20:55,169 S2: who was willing to fight for our son, you know, 342 00:20:55,210 --> 00:20:59,410 S2: who's willing to, like, recognize. Okay. Yeah. He he's a 343 00:20:59,450 --> 00:21:03,490 S2: child of worth and value, and he's, you know, worthy 344 00:21:03,490 --> 00:21:12,210 S2: of being treated. Right. Um, we found that it was very, um, surprising. Surprising, 345 00:21:12,210 --> 00:21:15,850 S2: I guess, but also frustrating. Like, very frustrating that no 346 00:21:15,850 --> 00:21:20,490 S2: one was willing to have his back, you know? And, yeah, 347 00:21:20,490 --> 00:21:22,690 S2: when I went to that clinic, it's supposed to be 348 00:21:22,690 --> 00:21:25,449 S2: a clinic for high risk pregnancies. I expected to receive 349 00:21:25,650 --> 00:21:29,250 S2: excellent health care. And in the end, they weren't willing. 350 00:21:29,730 --> 00:21:35,200 S2: They weren't willing to treat my my son like there. Yeah, there. 351 00:21:35,400 --> 00:21:38,600 S2: Thought of the best treatment for me was to take 352 00:21:38,600 --> 00:21:42,239 S2: his life and that was very baffling for sure. I 353 00:21:42,240 --> 00:21:46,480 S2: really pointed to just a different worldview that these, these 354 00:21:46,480 --> 00:21:51,879 S2: doctors kind of practice their medicine by, you know, um, 355 00:21:51,880 --> 00:21:53,080 S2: so yeah, it was yeah. 356 00:21:53,119 --> 00:21:55,920 S1: That was my question. Why, you know, and you can't 357 00:21:55,920 --> 00:21:58,360 S1: know the motivation of people. And I know you're not 358 00:21:58,359 --> 00:22:00,920 S1: trying to be mean to anybody, but it, it. 359 00:22:00,960 --> 00:22:01,400 S2: No. 360 00:22:01,400 --> 00:22:05,160 S1: It screamed to me that this is and I mentioned, 361 00:22:05,200 --> 00:22:10,680 S1: you know Roe versus Wade since 73. This this is the, uh, 362 00:22:10,800 --> 00:22:13,560 S1: the cake that we've been baked in this culture that 363 00:22:13,560 --> 00:22:17,680 S1: we've been baked in that says if there's something wrong with, 364 00:22:17,920 --> 00:22:20,919 S1: you know, look at, look at, uh, kids with down 365 00:22:20,920 --> 00:22:25,359 S1: syndrome and how few kids there are born. There's a 366 00:22:25,359 --> 00:22:29,000 S1: reason for that. And that's because the culture says, no, 367 00:22:29,000 --> 00:22:31,910 S1: this is this is something we want. We don't want. 368 00:22:31,950 --> 00:22:35,550 S1: You know, this is too hard when everybody that every 369 00:22:35,550 --> 00:22:38,230 S1: parent that I've ever talked to, someone with a down 370 00:22:38,270 --> 00:22:41,189 S1: syndrome who a child who has down syndrome is like, 371 00:22:41,230 --> 00:22:44,750 S1: you should see the life this kid brings into our 372 00:22:44,750 --> 00:22:49,149 S1: family and I. So I wanted to emphasize that not 373 00:22:49,150 --> 00:22:51,949 S1: to have you say all the doctors are terrible, but 374 00:22:51,950 --> 00:22:55,510 S1: this is reality. What you experienced, right? 375 00:22:56,390 --> 00:23:00,510 S2: It is. Yeah. It's they really have, you know, embraced 376 00:23:00,510 --> 00:23:05,630 S2: that message like, uh, that if the baby, you know, is, 377 00:23:05,910 --> 00:23:08,189 S2: is this idea that if the baby's not able and 378 00:23:08,190 --> 00:23:11,109 S2: not going to contribute to society, I guess, or they're 379 00:23:11,109 --> 00:23:14,750 S2: going to be a burden to society, then that baby should, 380 00:23:16,230 --> 00:23:19,590 S2: you know, shouldn't be, shouldn't be allowed to to be born, 381 00:23:19,590 --> 00:23:21,670 S2: which is, you know, obviously, we know that that's just 382 00:23:21,670 --> 00:23:25,710 S2: not true. Um, you know, God says that we're made 383 00:23:25,710 --> 00:23:28,700 S2: in his image and, you know, each and every one 384 00:23:28,700 --> 00:23:31,620 S2: of us, regardless of what we're able to do or 385 00:23:31,619 --> 00:23:34,980 S2: not able to do, is precious. You know, it's precious 386 00:23:34,980 --> 00:23:40,340 S2: in his sight. Um, but unfortunately, yeah, that's not, um, 387 00:23:40,740 --> 00:23:43,540 S2: an understanding that everyone has. And I certainly didn't find 388 00:23:43,540 --> 00:23:47,419 S2: any doctors who would agree with me on that. Um, 389 00:23:48,540 --> 00:23:52,980 S2: but I think, you know, when we have this, we 390 00:23:52,980 --> 00:23:57,100 S2: have this view. We know that that each child has value. 391 00:23:57,300 --> 00:24:00,580 S2: You know, I think God gave me this opportunity to 392 00:24:00,859 --> 00:24:04,540 S2: to share. Okay. Well, you know what he was going 393 00:24:04,580 --> 00:24:07,700 S2: to he says something different. God says something different. And 394 00:24:07,700 --> 00:24:10,420 S2: he gave me the opportunity and the opportunity to say, no, 395 00:24:10,460 --> 00:24:13,380 S2: our baby does have value. Let's do what we can 396 00:24:13,380 --> 00:24:16,179 S2: to save him. You know, even if you don't agree, 397 00:24:16,980 --> 00:24:19,980 S2: you know, God would agree. And let's let's do what 398 00:24:19,980 --> 00:24:23,180 S2: we can. And, um, and that's what we did. 399 00:24:23,580 --> 00:24:27,890 S1: So much of our culture says exactly that you are 400 00:24:27,930 --> 00:24:32,290 S1: valued because of what you can contribute or what you 401 00:24:32,410 --> 00:24:34,810 S1: do for society. You know, what are you going to 402 00:24:34,890 --> 00:24:39,210 S1: add here? The gospel says you are valued and loved 403 00:24:39,210 --> 00:24:43,010 S1: simply because you are a. You're part of his workmanship, 404 00:24:43,250 --> 00:24:46,530 S1: that he has created you for good works, that he's 405 00:24:46,530 --> 00:24:49,410 S1: prepared in advance beforehand for you to walk in them. 406 00:24:49,450 --> 00:24:53,090 S1: You know, for those who are believers. So we've just 407 00:24:53,090 --> 00:24:55,770 S1: kind of scratched the surface of the story. We'll take 408 00:24:55,770 --> 00:24:58,129 S1: a break when we come back. I want you to 409 00:24:58,170 --> 00:25:00,930 S1: go into something that you mentioned a little earlier, and 410 00:25:00,930 --> 00:25:04,930 S1: that was that you didn't know the outcome. And our listeners, 411 00:25:05,130 --> 00:25:07,370 S1: unless they've heard your story or read the book, they 412 00:25:07,369 --> 00:25:10,449 S1: don't know the outcome. Uh, and so we're going to 413 00:25:10,450 --> 00:25:13,609 S1: talk about the outcome. But what happened to you in 414 00:25:13,650 --> 00:25:17,570 S1: the process? I want to go into that and see 415 00:25:17,570 --> 00:25:21,930 S1: how the Nate's life has changed you. The book is 416 00:25:21,930 --> 00:25:27,280 S1: saving Nate, choosing life after a devastating prenatal diagnosis. It's 417 00:25:27,280 --> 00:25:31,879 S1: our featured resource at Chris Fabry Livorno. Click through today's information. 418 00:25:31,880 --> 00:25:35,600 S1: You'll see it right there. And our guest today is 419 00:25:35,600 --> 00:25:40,280 S1: Kristen Rosa. She and her husband, Mauricio have been married 420 00:25:40,280 --> 00:25:44,320 S1: since the beginning of this program back in 2008. He's 421 00:25:44,320 --> 00:25:47,840 S1: a pastor in Calgary, Alberta, and she's telling her story 422 00:25:47,840 --> 00:26:04,680 S1: about saving Nate today at the radio backyard fence. We 423 00:26:04,720 --> 00:26:08,800 S1: are telling Nate's story today at the radio backyard fence. 424 00:26:09,040 --> 00:26:12,959 S1: Saving Nate is the book by Kristen Rosa choosing life 425 00:26:13,160 --> 00:26:17,400 S1: after a devastating prenatal diagnosis. Have you been there? Are 426 00:26:17,400 --> 00:26:20,840 S1: you there right now? Uh, get a little closer to 427 00:26:20,880 --> 00:26:24,510 S1: the the radio, to your device, because you're going to 428 00:26:24,510 --> 00:26:27,949 S1: hear the outcome of that choice that Kristen and her 429 00:26:27,950 --> 00:26:30,909 S1: husband Mauricio, made. But I want to go back to 430 00:26:30,950 --> 00:26:34,710 S1: something you said just a minute ago. Um, process over outcome. 431 00:26:34,830 --> 00:26:37,590 S1: You did not know the outcome of this when you 432 00:26:37,630 --> 00:26:41,270 S1: made that decision. You didn't know what was going to 433 00:26:41,270 --> 00:26:45,190 S1: happen and that that's. I put my finger on this, 434 00:26:45,230 --> 00:26:48,070 S1: on the nerve in my own life. Faith is not 435 00:26:48,430 --> 00:26:51,590 S1: knowing the outcome of the thing that I'm praying so 436 00:26:51,590 --> 00:26:55,510 S1: hard about, knowing that what's down the road, faith is okay. God, 437 00:26:55,710 --> 00:26:58,629 S1: I'm going to put this in your hands. I believe 438 00:26:58,670 --> 00:27:02,430 S1: you're sovereign. I believe you're good. Whatever it is that 439 00:27:02,430 --> 00:27:05,350 S1: you want me to walk through here, I'm going to 440 00:27:05,390 --> 00:27:09,550 S1: walk through this with your help. I can't do this alone. 441 00:27:09,590 --> 00:27:12,030 S1: I'm going to do it with your help. So what? 442 00:27:12,070 --> 00:27:15,629 S1: In that process that you walk through on those next 443 00:27:15,630 --> 00:27:19,390 S1: 21 weeks, what happened inside of you. 444 00:27:20,390 --> 00:27:24,500 S2: Mhm. Yeah. That's a great question. Um, you know, when 445 00:27:24,500 --> 00:27:28,580 S2: we after that, that appointment where we received the diagnosis, 446 00:27:29,060 --> 00:27:31,340 S2: I remember Marissa and I, we we went down the 447 00:27:31,340 --> 00:27:34,740 S2: elevator and got into the car, and we just sat there, 448 00:27:34,780 --> 00:27:39,859 S2: you know, so I we felt I felt so sad 449 00:27:39,859 --> 00:27:43,140 S2: in that moment. And then we did what we could 450 00:27:43,300 --> 00:27:45,060 S2: like the only thing we could do, which was to pray. 451 00:27:45,100 --> 00:27:47,940 S2: I remember now like bowing his head and leading us 452 00:27:47,940 --> 00:27:53,179 S2: in prayer. Just just praying for strength, praying for our son. Um, 453 00:27:53,460 --> 00:27:55,500 S2: and I think that was just that was the beginning 454 00:27:55,500 --> 00:27:59,300 S2: of this, this process of, okay, God, what's happening here? 455 00:27:59,300 --> 00:28:03,260 S2: What do we do? And, and and turning to him 456 00:28:03,460 --> 00:28:07,660 S2: with all of the, the worries, the fear, the sadness, um, 457 00:28:07,700 --> 00:28:11,939 S2: for myself for that that following week, just that first week, I, 458 00:28:12,580 --> 00:28:16,980 S2: God brought me from a place of utter, just hopelessness, like, okay, 459 00:28:17,300 --> 00:28:20,500 S2: our son, he's going to die like, this is it. 460 00:28:20,540 --> 00:28:24,370 S2: We're going to be preparing for, uh, to receive one 461 00:28:24,410 --> 00:28:26,730 S2: healthy baby and one baby that's not going to survive. 462 00:28:27,010 --> 00:28:34,090 S2: And and he brought me back to Scripture to, you know, 463 00:28:34,490 --> 00:28:38,490 S2: his word. Um, and, you know, I grew up in 464 00:28:38,570 --> 00:28:41,090 S2: as a, in a Christian home. I came to Christ 465 00:28:41,130 --> 00:28:43,810 S2: at a young age. And when I was ten, I 466 00:28:43,810 --> 00:28:47,610 S2: started reading my Bible and, you know, and I was 467 00:28:47,610 --> 00:28:51,650 S2: pretty diligent about reading the word. And and so, you know, 468 00:28:51,690 --> 00:28:54,250 S2: his his word was in me, right? Like, I knew it, 469 00:28:54,250 --> 00:28:56,410 S2: I knew in my heart and I and I believed it. 470 00:28:56,650 --> 00:28:59,170 S2: But I think in this moment, this was the first 471 00:28:59,170 --> 00:29:02,290 S2: real test of my faith that I'd gone through in 472 00:29:02,290 --> 00:29:05,410 S2: my life. And, and I needed to go back to 473 00:29:05,450 --> 00:29:08,570 S2: Scripture and go back to his promises and trust that 474 00:29:08,570 --> 00:29:11,170 S2: he was going to be with me and be with 475 00:29:11,210 --> 00:29:15,490 S2: us in this, in this hardship. So some of those 476 00:29:15,490 --> 00:29:18,090 S2: verses I had memorized when I was younger came back 477 00:29:18,090 --> 00:29:20,760 S2: to me, you know, for, for example, like Proverbs three 478 00:29:20,800 --> 00:29:22,480 S2: verses 5 to 6. A lot of us know this, 479 00:29:22,480 --> 00:29:24,480 S2: but trust in the Lord with all your heart and 480 00:29:24,520 --> 00:29:27,240 S2: lean not on your own understanding. In all your ways. 481 00:29:27,240 --> 00:29:30,040 S2: Submit to him, and he will make your paths straight. 482 00:29:30,040 --> 00:29:32,160 S2: And I had to like. I clung to this, and 483 00:29:32,240 --> 00:29:34,080 S2: there were a few verses that I just, I literally, 484 00:29:34,680 --> 00:29:37,960 S2: I clung to. I would go back to them in 485 00:29:37,960 --> 00:29:40,760 S2: my mind throughout the day. You know, when a fear 486 00:29:40,760 --> 00:29:43,240 S2: or that sadness would hit me, you know, I have 487 00:29:43,240 --> 00:29:46,760 S2: to go back to to Scripture because this is the 488 00:29:46,760 --> 00:29:49,560 S2: way that God speaks to us, and these are his promises. 489 00:29:49,960 --> 00:29:53,640 S2: Another verse that really strengthened me and helped me was 490 00:29:53,640 --> 00:29:57,000 S2: Joshua one nine says, have I not commanded you? Be 491 00:29:57,000 --> 00:30:00,680 S2: strong and courageous. Do not be terrified. Do not be discouraged, 492 00:30:00,680 --> 00:30:02,520 S2: for the Lord your God will be with you wherever 493 00:30:02,520 --> 00:30:06,600 S2: you go. And there was this daily like, Call Kristen, 494 00:30:07,000 --> 00:30:10,760 S2: be strong and courageous. And it's interesting. You know, we 495 00:30:10,800 --> 00:30:13,520 S2: sometimes forget that first sentence. It's a question have I 496 00:30:13,560 --> 00:30:17,120 S2: not commanded you? It's actually command to be strong and 497 00:30:17,120 --> 00:30:21,600 S2: courageous and to not be terrified or discouraged. And so 498 00:30:21,640 --> 00:30:25,360 S2: I had to just yeah. Trust that God this that 499 00:30:25,400 --> 00:30:28,320 S2: what he says in his word is true and that 500 00:30:28,480 --> 00:30:32,480 S2: I can I can lean on that for my strength. 501 00:30:32,760 --> 00:30:35,760 S2: You know, we like to think that we have to 502 00:30:35,760 --> 00:30:38,240 S2: be strong on our own and be independent and all 503 00:30:38,240 --> 00:30:40,920 S2: these things. But the reality is that when we go through, 504 00:30:40,960 --> 00:30:44,760 S2: like God will allow us to go through hard times. Um, 505 00:30:45,000 --> 00:30:48,800 S2: because he wants us to rely on him and not 506 00:30:48,840 --> 00:30:52,720 S2: on ourselves. And you know, I, I found this to 507 00:30:52,760 --> 00:30:56,600 S2: be be true. I needed him, I needed to turn 508 00:30:56,600 --> 00:30:59,400 S2: to him and and cling to him to help me 509 00:30:59,400 --> 00:31:01,440 S2: get through this time. And I know it was the 510 00:31:01,440 --> 00:31:06,240 S2: same for Mauricio. Like we together, individually and together, you know, 511 00:31:06,280 --> 00:31:10,840 S2: he was working on our hearts. We were, you know, um, 512 00:31:11,040 --> 00:31:12,880 S2: in trying to be in the word as much as 513 00:31:12,880 --> 00:31:16,240 S2: we could. And we were in prayer, um, asking for 514 00:31:16,240 --> 00:31:19,470 S2: his strength to go through this. And actually, just one 515 00:31:19,470 --> 00:31:21,430 S2: more verse that really spoke to me too, of just 516 00:31:21,470 --> 00:31:24,790 S2: quickly shares just the one from Philippians 467, do not 517 00:31:24,790 --> 00:31:27,630 S2: be anxious about anything, but in everything, by prayer and petition, 518 00:31:27,950 --> 00:31:30,430 S2: with thanksgiving, present your requests to God. And the peace 519 00:31:30,430 --> 00:31:33,270 S2: of God, which transcends all understanding, will guard your hearts 520 00:31:33,270 --> 00:31:36,030 S2: and your minds in Christ. And I feel like the 521 00:31:36,070 --> 00:31:41,630 S2: peace of God did start to cover me and fill me. 522 00:31:41,790 --> 00:31:45,630 S2: You know, especially during that pregnancy where I there wasn't 523 00:31:45,630 --> 00:31:47,990 S2: really much I could do in the pregnancy. It was 524 00:31:47,990 --> 00:31:51,150 S2: a waiting game. You're waiting and waiting, waiting to actually 525 00:31:51,150 --> 00:31:54,590 S2: give birth to the kids, um, the twins. And then. 526 00:31:55,030 --> 00:31:57,510 S2: But in that process, I learned to like, okay, I'm 527 00:31:57,510 --> 00:31:59,350 S2: going to give this to him. I don't know the outcome. 528 00:31:59,990 --> 00:32:02,470 S2: He might choose to take my son or he, you know, 529 00:32:02,510 --> 00:32:04,390 S2: our son might survive, but I'm going to trust that 530 00:32:04,390 --> 00:32:09,030 S2: he's got this and he's got me. And I truly 531 00:32:09,510 --> 00:32:12,670 S2: did have a sense of peace. I wasn't, um, I 532 00:32:12,750 --> 00:32:18,660 S2: didn't live those months in fear and sadness. Um, I 533 00:32:18,700 --> 00:32:21,940 S2: was able to give it to him, which was such 534 00:32:21,940 --> 00:32:23,260 S2: a blessing. Really? 535 00:32:23,700 --> 00:32:27,540 S1: Questions, though. Questions about, you know, how is this going to. 536 00:32:27,580 --> 00:32:29,300 S1: How's this all going to turn out? What is God 537 00:32:29,300 --> 00:32:33,420 S1: going to do in, in and through? Um, if there's 538 00:32:33,620 --> 00:32:35,660 S1: if there's somebody listening right now and they are where 539 00:32:35,660 --> 00:32:39,500 S1: you were or, uh, 50 years from now, somebody gets 540 00:32:39,500 --> 00:32:43,220 S1: this podcast and and they hear it. Well, I want 541 00:32:43,220 --> 00:32:47,780 S1: you to come beside especially the pregnant mom who's had 542 00:32:47,780 --> 00:32:50,020 S1: this kind of diagnosis. What do you want to say 543 00:32:50,020 --> 00:32:50,540 S1: to her? 544 00:32:52,500 --> 00:32:56,380 S2: I want to say, first of all, don't give up hope. Um, 545 00:32:56,700 --> 00:33:03,340 S2: there's like there's hope every for every day. Um, there's there's. 546 00:33:03,420 --> 00:33:06,180 S2: God gives us strength for today and grace and mercy 547 00:33:06,180 --> 00:33:09,900 S2: for today. And I would I would tell her, just 548 00:33:10,540 --> 00:33:13,700 S2: bring your, your your worries, bring your cares, bring your 549 00:33:13,890 --> 00:33:18,650 S2: anxieties to the Lord and and ask him to carry 550 00:33:18,690 --> 00:33:22,890 S2: it for you. You know Jesus. He is so beautiful. 551 00:33:22,930 --> 00:33:26,050 S2: You know, he he came to this world and he 552 00:33:26,050 --> 00:33:28,530 S2: lived and he suffered. And he knows what it's like 553 00:33:28,890 --> 00:33:32,770 S2: to endure hardship and pain. And because of that, we, 554 00:33:33,370 --> 00:33:38,210 S2: you know, he's, um, he can understand what we go through, 555 00:33:38,210 --> 00:33:40,810 S2: and we can we can give him everything. We can 556 00:33:40,930 --> 00:33:46,970 S2: trust him with these things. You know, uh, Jesus said like, 557 00:33:46,970 --> 00:33:49,330 S2: come to me, all you who are weary and burdened, 558 00:33:49,330 --> 00:33:52,130 S2: and I will give you rest. So my encouragement to 559 00:33:52,170 --> 00:33:56,170 S2: that woman is turn to Jesus. Turn to him. Give 560 00:33:56,170 --> 00:34:01,090 S2: this to him. And and and allow him to carry 561 00:34:01,090 --> 00:34:05,690 S2: these burdens that that you have right now, you know. 562 00:34:06,050 --> 00:34:11,130 S2: And and even if the outcome isn't what we expect 563 00:34:11,130 --> 00:34:13,680 S2: or hope or even the diagnosis is not what we 564 00:34:13,680 --> 00:34:18,440 S2: had been hoping for. To trust that God can use 565 00:34:18,440 --> 00:34:22,920 S2: this for good in your life. If we allow him 566 00:34:22,920 --> 00:34:28,759 S2: to use it for good. Um, if we allow ourselves 567 00:34:28,760 --> 00:34:31,520 S2: to trust in him and become a better person through it, 568 00:34:31,520 --> 00:34:35,239 S2: rather than a bitter person, and and that would be 569 00:34:35,239 --> 00:34:39,160 S2: my encouragement. There's no easy answer. There's no easy fix. 570 00:34:39,560 --> 00:34:42,720 S2: But I do know that there's hope for each day. 571 00:34:42,760 --> 00:34:45,600 S2: Hope to get through the day. And ultimately, we have 572 00:34:45,600 --> 00:34:48,720 S2: that eternal hope that we know. You know, one day, 573 00:34:49,239 --> 00:34:54,040 S2: these trials, this pain, the tears. God's going to wipe 574 00:34:54,040 --> 00:34:57,120 S2: all of our tears away when we get finally to 575 00:34:57,160 --> 00:34:59,719 S2: our eternal home and get to see Jesus face to face. 576 00:35:00,160 --> 00:35:03,920 S1: Um, so yeah, Nate, Nate's you know, he has this 577 00:35:04,160 --> 00:35:07,640 S1: one lung that's not developed at all. Another lung that's 578 00:35:07,920 --> 00:35:13,190 S1: you said 20% or somewhere around in there. 27. Um, yeah. 579 00:35:13,230 --> 00:35:17,070 S1: Was there any medical intervention done then before the birth? 580 00:35:18,510 --> 00:35:21,750 S2: So not before the birth. They told us that if 581 00:35:21,750 --> 00:35:24,989 S2: he weren't a twin, there actually is a procedure that 582 00:35:24,989 --> 00:35:29,190 S2: can be done, um, on babies that can help their 583 00:35:29,190 --> 00:35:33,029 S2: lungs to, to grow a little more before they're born. Um, 584 00:35:33,030 --> 00:35:35,190 S2: but I guess it was too risky to do, um, 585 00:35:35,190 --> 00:35:40,390 S2: being a twin pregnancy, so no intervention before he was born. Um, 586 00:35:40,590 --> 00:35:43,430 S2: but they did prepare us for what to expect after 587 00:35:43,430 --> 00:35:47,710 S2: he was born. Uh, basically, like the moment. So he 588 00:35:47,710 --> 00:35:51,430 S2: was he he actually came first. And I remember, uh, 589 00:35:51,710 --> 00:35:54,870 S2: hearing him cry one cry. And then that that cry 590 00:35:54,910 --> 00:35:59,989 S2: quickly disappeared as he used up all the oxygen that 591 00:35:59,989 --> 00:36:02,149 S2: I had been able to give him. And then he 592 00:36:02,150 --> 00:36:06,110 S2: was silent. Um, and we I gave birth in an O.R. 593 00:36:06,270 --> 00:36:10,150 S2: filled with, you know, uh, doctors and nurses, and so 594 00:36:10,260 --> 00:36:13,660 S2: the the NICU team whisked him away and they intubated 595 00:36:13,660 --> 00:36:17,340 S2: him and started, you know, uh, just getting him all 596 00:36:17,340 --> 00:36:20,180 S2: connected to all the different wires and tubes that were 597 00:36:20,219 --> 00:36:25,620 S2: necessary for his survival. And so the the first thing 598 00:36:25,620 --> 00:36:28,300 S2: that was really important was just to get him stabilized 599 00:36:28,300 --> 00:36:33,620 S2: and getting enough oxygen that he could survive. And, um, 600 00:36:33,620 --> 00:36:36,420 S2: so they actually worked on him for about 45 minutes. 601 00:36:36,700 --> 00:36:38,940 S2: And looking back at pictures, I could see there were 602 00:36:39,219 --> 00:36:44,580 S2: I counted nine different wires and tubes connected to him. Um, 603 00:36:44,900 --> 00:36:50,140 S2: all this to keep him, you know, breathing, getting oxygen. And, uh, 604 00:36:50,620 --> 00:36:54,540 S2: and so actually, the doctor, um, met with Mauricio after 605 00:36:54,540 --> 00:36:57,899 S2: they brought him to the NICU. And they told him 606 00:36:57,940 --> 00:37:03,100 S2: that that Nate had done better than expected. And, uh, 607 00:37:03,540 --> 00:37:06,740 S2: this is something that we heard multiple times throughout his 608 00:37:06,739 --> 00:37:09,649 S2: treatment that he, he like each step of the way. 609 00:37:09,650 --> 00:37:12,730 S2: He had all these little, little steps he needed to 610 00:37:12,770 --> 00:37:16,130 S2: pass through, you know. And with each and every step, 611 00:37:16,290 --> 00:37:20,810 S2: people were praying like Mauricio was sending out, uh, daily messages, 612 00:37:20,810 --> 00:37:23,370 S2: sometimes more than one a day, depending on what was 613 00:37:23,370 --> 00:37:27,129 S2: going on. Um, to our wide network of friends and 614 00:37:27,130 --> 00:37:31,009 S2: family and churches, uh, in Canada and Brazil and, uh, 615 00:37:31,010 --> 00:37:34,090 S2: even the United States, you know, praying for him. And, 616 00:37:34,610 --> 00:37:37,649 S2: and so, you know, we would see that God was 617 00:37:37,650 --> 00:37:40,570 S2: with him, you know, with these each little step like 618 00:37:40,810 --> 00:37:43,890 S2: Mauricio's hope was that when he was born, God would 619 00:37:43,890 --> 00:37:46,330 S2: just heal him miraculously. He would breathe on his own. 620 00:37:46,730 --> 00:37:49,489 S2: You know, that was the hope. But that didn't happen. 621 00:37:49,730 --> 00:37:53,129 S2: But that didn't mean that God wasn't with him. Um, 622 00:37:53,170 --> 00:37:56,570 S2: as he was going through these, these, these the medical 623 00:37:56,570 --> 00:37:59,930 S2: intervention that was necessary, um, but basically. 624 00:38:00,090 --> 00:38:02,370 S1: Showed up too. Did they? It was like the ones 625 00:38:02,370 --> 00:38:07,880 S1: who said, uh, we think that these doctors showed up 626 00:38:07,880 --> 00:38:11,280 S1: and did the, you know, all the work that Nate 627 00:38:11,320 --> 00:38:14,920 S1: needed them to do at that moment. So let me 628 00:38:14,920 --> 00:38:17,719 S1: take our final break and come back. Kristin Rosa is 629 00:38:17,719 --> 00:38:20,359 S1: with us. You got to read the book, Saving Nate 630 00:38:20,760 --> 00:38:25,319 S1: Choosing Life. After a devastating prenatal Diagnosis. You'll hear a 631 00:38:25,320 --> 00:38:28,799 S1: little of the rest of the story in the remaining moments. 632 00:38:29,160 --> 00:38:34,280 S1: Click through today's information right there. Chris Avery lives. Don't 633 00:38:34,280 --> 00:38:38,040 S1: you dare miss our final segment Straight Ahead on Moody Radio. 634 00:38:47,560 --> 00:38:53,040 S1: What a story from Kristin Rosa today. Saving Nate, choosing 635 00:38:53,040 --> 00:38:56,800 S1: life after a devastating prenatal diagnosis. You can find it 636 00:38:57,080 --> 00:39:00,480 S1: at Chris Avery Livorno. Click through today's information. You'll see 637 00:39:00,480 --> 00:39:04,120 S1: it right there on the right hand side. Chris Livorno. 638 00:39:04,840 --> 00:39:08,029 S1: Now I was assuming Kristen, I didn't remember this from 639 00:39:08,030 --> 00:39:11,589 S1: the book that the delivery was. Would have been a 640 00:39:11,630 --> 00:39:15,230 S1: C-section because of, you know, the nature of of how 641 00:39:15,870 --> 00:39:18,710 S1: of the nature of things. And you said, you told 642 00:39:18,710 --> 00:39:21,750 S1: me in the break, no, this was a natural birth. 643 00:39:21,950 --> 00:39:26,350 S1: And Nate came. The Nate train came and was whisked away. 644 00:39:27,710 --> 00:39:31,710 S1: So he was given, if there was medical intervention, 25% 645 00:39:31,710 --> 00:39:35,710 S1: chance of just survival. And then all of these, you know, 646 00:39:35,750 --> 00:39:38,430 S1: maladies that he's not going to do this and he'll 647 00:39:38,430 --> 00:39:41,910 S1: never do that, etcetera, etcetera. Even if he survives, wasn't 648 00:39:41,910 --> 00:39:44,629 S1: given any of that. And so you weren't given any 649 00:39:44,710 --> 00:39:47,989 S1: hope of, of his survival. So what happened? 650 00:39:48,030 --> 00:39:52,750 S2: Nope. Yeah. Well, uh, for the first week, they just 651 00:39:52,750 --> 00:39:57,630 S2: had to keep him calm. And, uh, actually, CDH babies 652 00:39:57,670 --> 00:40:00,870 S2: are usually put into the quietest section of the NICU, 653 00:40:00,870 --> 00:40:05,340 S2: and it has to be dark, super quiet, just to keep, 654 00:40:05,380 --> 00:40:08,700 S2: you know, these babies stable. And so once they determined 655 00:40:08,700 --> 00:40:13,500 S2: he was stable enough, getting enough oxygen. Um, then when 656 00:40:13,500 --> 00:40:16,819 S2: he was eight days old, he actually had surgery. And 657 00:40:16,820 --> 00:40:19,980 S2: so they they opened. They kind of they made an 658 00:40:19,980 --> 00:40:22,779 S2: incision under his rib cage and actually had to go 659 00:40:22,780 --> 00:40:26,220 S2: in there and move the liver and the bowels back 660 00:40:26,219 --> 00:40:30,820 S2: down into his lower abdominal area. And then because the 661 00:40:30,940 --> 00:40:34,620 S2: the hole was so large in the diaphragm, they actually 662 00:40:34,620 --> 00:40:40,620 S2: patched it with Gore-Tex. And so, uh, yeah. And actually 663 00:40:40,620 --> 00:40:42,700 S2: that that patch will stay there for his whole life. 664 00:40:42,739 --> 00:40:46,620 S2: It's still there. And, um, and so this was obviously 665 00:40:47,780 --> 00:40:50,020 S2: this had to be done, this surgery, but they told 666 00:40:50,020 --> 00:40:54,180 S2: us the next step after this was just as critical. 667 00:40:54,420 --> 00:40:57,980 S2: It was, you know, uh, making sure that he didn't 668 00:40:57,980 --> 00:41:02,219 S2: struggle with the pulmonary hypertension, keeping blood flowing, keeping the 669 00:41:02,219 --> 00:41:05,930 S2: heart strong and then and and just time to allow 670 00:41:05,969 --> 00:41:11,089 S2: his lungs to begin growing. And so, uh, this this 671 00:41:11,090 --> 00:41:14,770 S2: started happening, you know, um, it was a long process, 672 00:41:14,770 --> 00:41:19,009 S2: but little by little, uh, he, you know, started not 673 00:41:19,010 --> 00:41:24,890 S2: needing quite as much oxygen from the, you know, the ventilator. And, um, 674 00:41:25,250 --> 00:41:28,850 S2: but unfortunately, after a few days, a few days after 675 00:41:28,850 --> 00:41:34,090 S2: the surgery, um, it he started showing signs of infection. 676 00:41:34,450 --> 00:41:37,850 S2: And we, we went into a period of a couple, 677 00:41:37,890 --> 00:41:40,930 S2: 2 or 3 weeks where it was really touch and 678 00:41:40,930 --> 00:41:44,530 S2: go for, for that time where we really didn't know 679 00:41:44,530 --> 00:41:46,689 S2: if he was, if he was going to pull through 680 00:41:46,690 --> 00:41:51,370 S2: because his liver was, um, damaged, his kidneys weren't working 681 00:41:51,610 --> 00:41:55,890 S2: and his, his organs were at risk of just shutting down. 682 00:41:55,890 --> 00:41:58,610 S2: And so, you know, that was a time where we 683 00:41:58,810 --> 00:42:01,730 S2: and all of our family and friends were just crying 684 00:42:01,770 --> 00:42:06,130 S2: out to the Lord just to save his his little life, 685 00:42:06,250 --> 00:42:10,450 S2: to heal his body. And, um. Yeah, but the the. Yeah. 686 00:42:10,489 --> 00:42:14,529 S2: God was with him. He eventually started showing little, you know, 687 00:42:14,570 --> 00:42:17,890 S2: just a little bit of progress, a little bit of progress. And, uh, 688 00:42:18,170 --> 00:42:24,170 S2: and eventually he, uh, he was able to breathe. Actually, 689 00:42:24,170 --> 00:42:27,089 S2: the story of him, the day that he came off 690 00:42:27,090 --> 00:42:30,450 S2: all breathing support was pretty special. Uh, we went into 691 00:42:30,450 --> 00:42:35,370 S2: the hospital on Mauricio's birthday. It was May 21st. And 692 00:42:35,650 --> 00:42:38,569 S2: the nurse, uh, she's like, do you notice anything? And 693 00:42:38,570 --> 00:42:41,169 S2: we we hadn't noticed. And we looked down and. And 694 00:42:41,170 --> 00:42:45,969 S2: Nate was off of all oxygen support, the nasal prongs 695 00:42:46,130 --> 00:42:48,770 S2: that he'd had the day before they were gone. And 696 00:42:48,770 --> 00:42:51,049 S2: he was breathing on his own. And that was the 697 00:42:51,050 --> 00:42:56,250 S2: two month mark for him. Just over two months. Yeah. And, uh, 698 00:42:56,489 --> 00:42:59,090 S2: so at that point, it was just, you know, um, 699 00:42:59,130 --> 00:43:02,760 S2: helping him to learn to take food from a bottle 700 00:43:02,760 --> 00:43:06,640 S2: and start gaining weight. He was a scrawny, tiny little guy. 701 00:43:06,680 --> 00:43:11,680 S2: He looked like a wizened old man. Um, and but, 702 00:43:11,719 --> 00:43:16,240 S2: you know, he just. Yeah. He just continued. Little by little, 703 00:43:16,239 --> 00:43:18,640 S2: it was. This was a story of just a healing 704 00:43:18,640 --> 00:43:23,839 S2: by little increments. But, you know, day by day, you know, 705 00:43:23,880 --> 00:43:28,279 S2: he improved. And, uh, if you were to see him today, 706 00:43:28,320 --> 00:43:31,799 S2: you would never have. You could never have known that 707 00:43:31,800 --> 00:43:34,280 S2: he had once been so sick. Uh. 708 00:43:34,600 --> 00:43:37,080 S1: I've seen the picture of him. I've seen the picture 709 00:43:37,120 --> 00:43:40,040 S1: of Emma. Emma gets short shrift here. We gotta talk 710 00:43:40,040 --> 00:43:42,399 S1: about Emma, too, because I'm sure she. How come you're 711 00:43:42,400 --> 00:43:46,120 S1: talking about Nate? You know, I'm pretty special. You are. Um, 712 00:43:46,440 --> 00:43:50,279 S1: but just to see him and his. His smile and 713 00:43:50,280 --> 00:43:53,920 S1: his face, this little miracle, they both are miracles, you know? 714 00:43:54,120 --> 00:43:59,160 S1: Every child is loved and cherished. And my guess is 715 00:43:59,270 --> 00:44:01,830 S1: those doctors would say the same thing. The doctors that 716 00:44:01,830 --> 00:44:05,270 S1: gave the dire diagnosis would be just as happy. I 717 00:44:05,270 --> 00:44:07,670 S1: don't know if you've talked with any of them since then, 718 00:44:07,710 --> 00:44:08,270 S1: have you? 719 00:44:08,989 --> 00:44:11,270 S2: I actually haven't, and some of my friends are like, 720 00:44:11,310 --> 00:44:13,589 S2: you should go back and bring Nate and say, hey, look, 721 00:44:13,590 --> 00:44:16,509 S2: here he is. Um, not not to, you know, to 722 00:44:16,550 --> 00:44:17,830 S2: be mean or anything. I like to rub it in 723 00:44:17,830 --> 00:44:19,230 S2: their face, but just to be like, hey, look like, 724 00:44:19,270 --> 00:44:21,710 S2: look what God did. Here's this little boy, and he's 725 00:44:21,710 --> 00:44:25,190 S2: so healthy now. But I haven't done that. Um, I 726 00:44:25,190 --> 00:44:27,350 S2: don't know if I will. Maybe. Maybe I should. 727 00:44:27,670 --> 00:44:31,950 S1: Yeah, well, and I know that writing this has has 728 00:44:31,950 --> 00:44:35,870 S1: changed you because it was 5 or 6 years ago 729 00:44:35,870 --> 00:44:37,790 S1: that you started as, like, I want to tell this 730 00:44:37,790 --> 00:44:41,950 S1: story and we are better off for it. We are 731 00:44:41,989 --> 00:44:45,509 S1: recipients of this. And I want to mention, again, saving Nate, 732 00:44:45,670 --> 00:44:49,870 S1: choosing life after a devastating prenatal diagnosis. It's not just 733 00:44:49,870 --> 00:44:54,910 S1: about Nate's survival. It's about life. It's about abundant life. 734 00:44:54,910 --> 00:44:58,460 S1: It's about not knowing, but hanging on to. I think 735 00:44:58,460 --> 00:45:01,660 S1: of the Joanna Weaver book. Her the title of one 736 00:45:01,660 --> 00:45:05,700 S1: of her books is Embracing Trust. And that's what you 737 00:45:05,700 --> 00:45:07,620 S1: had to do. You had to hang just like you 738 00:45:07,620 --> 00:45:10,140 S1: would hang on to a little baby. You've got to 739 00:45:10,460 --> 00:45:14,380 S1: trust in God, and you've got to hold tightly to 740 00:45:14,420 --> 00:45:17,980 S1: that and realize he's holding on to you. Right. 741 00:45:18,460 --> 00:45:23,180 S2: Mhm. That's right. 100%. Yeah. I'm so thankful God did 742 00:45:23,820 --> 00:45:26,540 S2: a work in my life and obviously a work in 743 00:45:26,580 --> 00:45:28,660 S2: Nate's life as well. It's pretty amazing. 744 00:45:28,900 --> 00:45:33,500 S1: Well and Mauricio as well. And and Thomas and Emma. Uh, 745 00:45:33,820 --> 00:45:37,020 S1: it's a great story. We've only scratched the surface, so 746 00:45:37,020 --> 00:45:40,779 S1: I want to encourage you, if this has touched a 747 00:45:40,820 --> 00:45:43,700 S1: nerve in your own heart, your life, or there's somebody 748 00:45:44,020 --> 00:45:47,140 S1: in your church or your neighborhood who's going through this 749 00:45:47,180 --> 00:45:50,779 S1: kind of struggle. Uh, tell them about the conversation we've had. 750 00:45:50,820 --> 00:45:54,100 S1: Tell them about the book Saving Nate. It's our featured 751 00:45:54,100 --> 00:45:59,130 S1: resource at Chris Lives. Chris did a great pleasure to 752 00:45:59,170 --> 00:46:01,490 S1: get to meet you. God bless you and your family. 753 00:46:02,450 --> 00:46:04,450 S2: Thank you so much. It's been a pleasure to meet 754 00:46:04,450 --> 00:46:05,170 S2: you too. 755 00:46:06,050 --> 00:46:10,890 S1: Go to Chris and you'll see the book, Saving Nate 756 00:46:11,130 --> 00:46:16,650 S1: Choosing Life After a Devastating Prenatal Diagnosis by Kristen Rosa. 757 00:46:16,690 --> 00:46:20,330 S1: C h I s t I n Rosa. You'll see 758 00:46:20,330 --> 00:46:23,850 S1: it right there and then come on back tomorrow because 759 00:46:23,850 --> 00:46:26,810 S1: we have a couple. Unless there's a big ice storm. 760 00:46:27,250 --> 00:46:29,810 S1: I hope not, but we have a couple that I 761 00:46:29,810 --> 00:46:34,089 S1: want you to hear from. And a song that became famous, 762 00:46:34,290 --> 00:46:37,970 S1: world famous and a big change in a family. Oh, 763 00:46:38,330 --> 00:46:39,890 S1: we're going to talk about it right here at the 764 00:46:39,890 --> 00:46:43,330 S1: radio backyard fence. Chris Fabry Live is a production of 765 00:46:43,370 --> 00:46:48,009 S1: Moody Radio, a ministry of Moody Bible Institute. Thanks for listening.