1 00:00:00,040 --> 00:00:02,480 S1: Hi friends. Thanks so much for downloading this podcast, and 2 00:00:02,480 --> 00:00:06,000 S1: I hope truly that you will hear something that will encourage, edify, equip, 3 00:00:06,000 --> 00:00:08,360 S1: and enlighten you to get out there and influence and 4 00:00:08,400 --> 00:00:11,040 S1: occupy until he comes. And on that note, may I 5 00:00:11,039 --> 00:00:13,080 S1: take just a few moments here to describe this month's 6 00:00:13,080 --> 00:00:15,920 S1: truth tool? It's by pastor Jack Hibbs. He's written the 7 00:00:15,920 --> 00:00:19,040 S1: book called Called to Take a Bold Stand. I absolutely 8 00:00:19,040 --> 00:00:21,520 S1: love this book because it reminds us that in Christ 9 00:00:21,520 --> 00:00:24,480 S1: all things pass away. All things become new, that we 10 00:00:24,480 --> 00:00:27,240 S1: are standing for his truth, that we have a new nature. 11 00:00:27,240 --> 00:00:30,080 S1: Because of him, we should be living boldly. But far 12 00:00:30,080 --> 00:00:33,120 S1: too often we retreat out of fear from cultural blowback. 13 00:00:33,320 --> 00:00:35,600 S1: So I want to encourage all of us to just 14 00:00:35,600 --> 00:00:37,800 S1: stand up for Christ, to be unashamed of who we 15 00:00:37,800 --> 00:00:40,120 S1: are in him, and to go into a culture that's 16 00:00:40,120 --> 00:00:43,600 S1: telling us in no uncertain terms. They're lost and they're hurting. 17 00:00:43,600 --> 00:00:45,760 S1: So if you'd like a copy of Pastor Hibbs new 18 00:00:45,760 --> 00:00:48,400 S1: book called Call to Take a Bold Stand, just give 19 00:00:48,400 --> 00:00:50,720 S1: a gift of any amount by calling eight, seven, seven. 20 00:00:50,720 --> 00:00:53,680 S1: Janet 58. 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Now 39 00:01:37,310 --> 00:01:39,230 S1: please enjoy the broadcast. 40 00:01:52,950 --> 00:02:08,330 S2: Imagine there's no heaven. If you try. No hell below us. 41 00:02:12,650 --> 00:02:14,809 S2: Above us only sky. 42 00:02:17,970 --> 00:02:20,050 S1: Well, you never know how in the market with Janet. 43 00:02:20,050 --> 00:02:22,090 S1: Partial is going to begin. And it isn't often I 44 00:02:22,090 --> 00:02:25,570 S1: start with John Lennon, but he is asking an interesting 45 00:02:25,570 --> 00:02:29,290 S1: question which makes me ask a question. Why did John 46 00:02:29,290 --> 00:02:32,130 S1: Lennon put the question out there? Can I imagine that 47 00:02:32,130 --> 00:02:34,530 S1: there isn't a heaven or a hell for that matter? 48 00:02:34,730 --> 00:02:36,610 S1: Welcome to In the Market with Janet Partial, I can 49 00:02:36,610 --> 00:02:38,210 S1: pretty much guarantee you this is going to be one 50 00:02:38,210 --> 00:02:41,330 S1: of the fastest hours on radio. I gobbled up the 51 00:02:41,330 --> 00:02:46,010 S1: newest book by Greg Laurie called Lennon, Dylan, Alice, and Jesus. 52 00:02:46,010 --> 00:02:48,850 S1: That title will catch your attention as well. The subtitle 53 00:02:48,850 --> 00:02:52,250 S1: says it all The Spiritual Biography of Rock and roll. 54 00:02:52,250 --> 00:02:54,690 S1: We all know who Greg is. Senior pastor at Harvest 55 00:02:54,690 --> 00:02:58,280 S1: Christian Fellowship in Riverside, California. The founder of Harvest Crusades 56 00:02:58,440 --> 00:03:01,440 S1: that is a nationwide evangelistic event that has drawn more 57 00:03:01,440 --> 00:03:06,440 S1: than 8.8 million people since 1990. How many people had 58 00:03:06,440 --> 00:03:09,880 S1: their eternities redirected because of the obedience of Greg Laurie 59 00:03:09,880 --> 00:03:12,720 S1: in declaring the gospel message? Thank you Lord. He's the 60 00:03:12,720 --> 00:03:15,960 S1: featured speaker of the nationally syndicated radio program A New Beginning. 61 00:03:16,040 --> 00:03:19,000 S1: He hosts a weekly TV show on the Trinity Broadcasting Network, 62 00:03:19,000 --> 00:03:21,359 S1: and he's written over 70 books. I don't know how 63 00:03:21,360 --> 00:03:23,800 S1: he finds the time. Must be when he's on an airplane. 64 00:03:23,800 --> 00:03:27,400 S1: But I love his genre of writing. He is absolutely 65 00:03:27,400 --> 00:03:30,680 S1: interested in the culture, and he oftentimes uses it as 66 00:03:30,680 --> 00:03:34,200 S1: a jumping off point of the redeeming power of Jesus Christ. 67 00:03:34,240 --> 00:03:36,840 S1: So one of his books, for example, was about Johnny Cash. 68 00:03:36,880 --> 00:03:39,600 S1: He's written about Steve McQueen. He's written about Billy Graham. 69 00:03:39,920 --> 00:03:42,760 S1: And his new book again is called Lennon, Dylan, Alice 70 00:03:42,800 --> 00:03:44,080 S1: and Jesus. And let me tell you what he writes 71 00:03:44,080 --> 00:03:46,400 S1: at the beginning of the book, there will be three 72 00:03:46,400 --> 00:03:48,520 S1: big surprises when we get to heaven. Some of the 73 00:03:48,520 --> 00:03:51,440 S1: people we thought would be there won't be some of 74 00:03:51,440 --> 00:03:54,180 S1: the people we never thought would be there will be 75 00:03:54,340 --> 00:03:57,980 S1: because of God's faithful promises, you and I will also 76 00:03:57,980 --> 00:04:00,660 S1: be there. Wow. Oh, Greg, pull up a chair. I 77 00:04:00,660 --> 00:04:03,820 S1: can't wait for this conversation. I just general questions first. 78 00:04:03,820 --> 00:04:05,500 S1: And I was thinking as I was reading the book 79 00:04:05,740 --> 00:04:08,380 S1: for you, because time is precious and writing a book 80 00:04:08,380 --> 00:04:12,340 S1: is not unlike a pregnancy. You work labor and delivery, 81 00:04:12,340 --> 00:04:14,740 S1: but you're preceded by about nine months of hard work. 82 00:04:14,980 --> 00:04:17,180 S1: Why are you drawn to these cultural issues? 83 00:04:18,220 --> 00:04:21,460 S3: That's a good question, Janet. I. I'm drawn to them because, well, 84 00:04:21,460 --> 00:04:24,860 S3: I've always had an interest in pop culture. The the quote, 85 00:04:24,860 --> 00:04:28,140 S3: the great theologian Joan Jett. I love rock and roll. Okay. 86 00:04:28,180 --> 00:04:31,580 S3: So I don't apologize for that. But even more than that, 87 00:04:31,820 --> 00:04:36,140 S3: you know, these are people that other people look up to. Uh, 88 00:04:36,339 --> 00:04:39,860 S3: that we admire them. We aspire to be them. In 89 00:04:39,860 --> 00:04:43,620 S3: some cases, we wish we were them. And so I 90 00:04:43,660 --> 00:04:47,620 S3: kind of pulled the curtain back and asked the question, what, what, 91 00:04:47,660 --> 00:04:49,900 S3: what is their life really like? I've gotten to know 92 00:04:49,900 --> 00:04:52,850 S3: some of these people personally, so that helped us. I 93 00:04:52,850 --> 00:04:55,930 S3: was doing research for the book, but I picked who 94 00:04:55,930 --> 00:04:58,890 S3: I felt were three iconic figures. John Lennon, you just 95 00:04:58,890 --> 00:05:02,089 S3: played a song by him from The Beatles. Bob Dylan, 96 00:05:02,330 --> 00:05:05,210 S3: who was probably one of the most influential artists of 97 00:05:05,210 --> 00:05:09,210 S3: all time, still is to some degree. And finally, Alice Cooper, 98 00:05:09,250 --> 00:05:13,290 S3: who I've become friends with and try to take their 99 00:05:13,290 --> 00:05:16,890 S3: lives and answer the question if you have it all, 100 00:05:16,890 --> 00:05:19,690 S3: if you've been there, done that, bought the t shirt, 101 00:05:19,690 --> 00:05:21,770 S3: and in the case of some of these rock icons, 102 00:05:21,770 --> 00:05:25,050 S3: been the t shirt. Is that what it's all about? 103 00:05:25,089 --> 00:05:27,370 S3: You know, when you climb to the top, do you 104 00:05:27,370 --> 00:05:29,290 S3: find what you're looking for? And I think we all 105 00:05:29,290 --> 00:05:32,570 S3: know the answer is Christians. The answer is no, you don't. 106 00:05:32,610 --> 00:05:35,489 S3: And that's why so many rock stars turn to drugs, 107 00:05:35,529 --> 00:05:39,210 S3: turn to alcohol, or have other issues because they're trying 108 00:05:39,210 --> 00:05:43,050 S3: to keep that excitement that maybe they had when they 109 00:05:43,050 --> 00:05:46,410 S3: had their first hit record or, you know, had their 110 00:05:46,410 --> 00:05:50,589 S3: first stadium filled with people chanting their name Because, you know, 111 00:05:50,630 --> 00:05:53,350 S3: I think what really comes down to is we're all 112 00:05:53,350 --> 00:05:57,510 S3: looking for significance. We want to live a life that matters. 113 00:05:57,510 --> 00:05:59,590 S3: We want to be noticed. I think this is why 114 00:05:59,589 --> 00:06:03,430 S3: people try to get more followers on social media. Sometimes 115 00:06:03,430 --> 00:06:06,830 S3: they become so obsessed with their image. And really, I 116 00:06:06,830 --> 00:06:09,630 S3: think deep down inside we're looking for God. And you 117 00:06:09,630 --> 00:06:11,589 S3: know what? God is looking for us. 118 00:06:12,110 --> 00:06:15,590 S1: Amen. Oh, wow. You just gave a perfect synopsis of 119 00:06:15,589 --> 00:06:17,390 S1: the book. And I want to say just if I 120 00:06:17,390 --> 00:06:19,589 S1: can boldly, this is the kind of book that I 121 00:06:19,589 --> 00:06:21,510 S1: would give to somebody who doesn't yet know Christ as 122 00:06:21,510 --> 00:06:23,990 S1: their savior, but absolutely loves rock and roll, loves music. 123 00:06:23,990 --> 00:06:25,990 S1: And this, by the way, does an expansive look at 124 00:06:25,990 --> 00:06:28,030 S1: rock and roll from the 50s to the current age. 125 00:06:28,029 --> 00:06:31,110 S1: So any musician, anybody who's interested in this genre would 126 00:06:31,110 --> 00:06:33,550 S1: be an absolute excellent book to read. But I'll tell 127 00:06:33,550 --> 00:06:35,350 S1: you something else, Greg. And it was convicting. And that 128 00:06:35,350 --> 00:06:38,030 S1: is we are so quick to point fingers and I 129 00:06:38,029 --> 00:06:40,070 S1: don't want to get ahead of ourselves, but just Alice 130 00:06:40,110 --> 00:06:43,030 S1: Cooper as an example, the finger pointing and we'll get 131 00:06:43,029 --> 00:06:46,630 S1: into his story later. But just God puts his people everywhere, 132 00:06:46,670 --> 00:06:49,140 S1: even in rock and roll. So can you pray for 133 00:06:49,140 --> 00:06:51,500 S1: these people rather than judge them? Because maybe their hair 134 00:06:51,500 --> 00:06:53,300 S1: isn't the same length as yours. By the way, I 135 00:06:53,300 --> 00:06:54,780 S1: don't want to give it away, but there's a picture 136 00:06:54,779 --> 00:06:57,180 S1: of Greg in the book and his hair was down 137 00:06:57,180 --> 00:06:58,940 S1: to his shoulders. So there you go. Has your image 138 00:06:58,940 --> 00:07:03,580 S1: changed of him now? So, so this really helps us 139 00:07:03,580 --> 00:07:05,940 S1: to think this through, which I'm thrilled about. So start 140 00:07:05,940 --> 00:07:07,900 S1: with the Beatles because you and I are about the 141 00:07:07,900 --> 00:07:10,380 S1: same age. And I remember they made their appearance in 142 00:07:10,380 --> 00:07:12,460 S1: America on The Ed Sullivan Show, and it was a 143 00:07:12,460 --> 00:07:15,340 S1: big deal. And, you know, everybody went absolutely crazy. And 144 00:07:15,340 --> 00:07:17,260 S1: that was an explosion. It was if you were going 145 00:07:17,300 --> 00:07:19,700 S1: to look at Cultural America, that was the shifting point 146 00:07:19,700 --> 00:07:21,460 S1: for sure. Talk to me about John Lennon. 147 00:07:22,140 --> 00:07:24,980 S3: Well, it was and the Beatles were, you know, appeared 148 00:07:24,980 --> 00:07:27,700 S3: on the scene on The Ed Sullivan Show on the 149 00:07:27,700 --> 00:07:32,020 S3: heels of the assassination of President Kennedy. The country was 150 00:07:32,020 --> 00:07:37,020 S3: still reeling in shock, and we were collectively mourning together 151 00:07:37,020 --> 00:07:39,900 S3: as a nation. And then seemingly out of nowhere, almost 152 00:07:39,900 --> 00:07:44,140 S3: like they were from another planet, come these four Liverpudlian 153 00:07:44,140 --> 00:07:48,320 S3: lads with their interesting accents in their mop top hairdos, 154 00:07:48,440 --> 00:07:53,720 S3: but beneath that was incredible artistry and musicianship. Uh, with 155 00:07:53,720 --> 00:07:55,600 S3: their first songs, I Want to Hold Your Hand, She 156 00:07:55,600 --> 00:07:58,880 S3: Loves You, etc. and then as time passed, it was, 157 00:07:58,920 --> 00:08:04,120 S3: you know, really seen how talented these these four guys were. But, um, 158 00:08:04,160 --> 00:08:06,440 S3: you know, it was a cultural phenomenon that all of 159 00:08:06,440 --> 00:08:09,920 S3: us had had this huge fans, even Sinatra before Elvis. 160 00:08:09,920 --> 00:08:12,560 S3: But there was nothing like the Beatles. It was a 161 00:08:12,560 --> 00:08:16,920 S3: global phenomenon. And John Lennon made a controversial statement, uh, 162 00:08:16,920 --> 00:08:19,680 S3: when the Beatles were at their peak and he said, 163 00:08:19,720 --> 00:08:22,840 S3: you know, the Beatles are more popular than Jesus. And 164 00:08:22,840 --> 00:08:26,560 S3: this became very controversial. And they were burning their records 165 00:08:26,560 --> 00:08:29,000 S3: in the South. And, and really, when I look back 166 00:08:29,000 --> 00:08:32,000 S3: at that statement, in some ways it was actually true 167 00:08:32,240 --> 00:08:35,079 S3: meaning for me as a young person, the Beatles were 168 00:08:35,080 --> 00:08:38,440 S3: more popular to me than Jesus was because I knew 169 00:08:38,440 --> 00:08:41,960 S3: nothing of Jesus. And, and I think John was stating 170 00:08:41,960 --> 00:08:44,120 S3: a fact. And then he went on to say, well, 171 00:08:44,120 --> 00:08:47,070 S3: if I had said television was more popular than Jesus, 172 00:08:47,070 --> 00:08:50,030 S3: you probably wouldn't have reacted the same way. That is 173 00:08:50,030 --> 00:08:52,990 S3: true as well, but really, it speaks to Lennon himself. 174 00:08:53,030 --> 00:08:58,110 S3: He was always a searcher, always looking for answers. And surprisingly, 175 00:08:58,390 --> 00:09:02,030 S3: he found a relationship with Christ at one point in 176 00:09:02,030 --> 00:09:02,630 S3: his life. 177 00:09:03,230 --> 00:09:05,390 S1: What a place to take a break that'll keep you 178 00:09:05,429 --> 00:09:07,230 S1: hanging on, because you're going to want to hear that story. 179 00:09:07,230 --> 00:09:09,910 S1: By the way, that story and a ton more are 180 00:09:09,910 --> 00:09:13,550 S1: in Greg Laurie's brand new book, Lennon, Dylan, Alice, and 181 00:09:13,550 --> 00:09:16,829 S1: Jesus Fabulous. I love books that tell us the story 182 00:09:16,830 --> 00:09:19,830 S1: of how Jesus works in and through people's lives. This 183 00:09:19,830 --> 00:09:21,189 S1: book does back after this. 184 00:09:22,590 --> 00:09:25,910 S2: And the world will live as one. 185 00:09:32,429 --> 00:09:35,110 S1: As culture continues to stumble into darkness, it's easy to 186 00:09:35,150 --> 00:09:37,430 S1: lose heart and grow weary in your faith. And that's 187 00:09:37,429 --> 00:09:39,590 S1: why I've chosen called to Take a bold stand by 188 00:09:39,590 --> 00:09:42,190 S1: pastor Jack Hibbs as this month's truth tool. Learn how 189 00:09:42,190 --> 00:09:45,290 S1: to represent Christ courageously in a hurting world. As for 190 00:09:45,290 --> 00:09:47,250 S1: your copy of call to take a bold stand when 191 00:09:47,250 --> 00:09:49,210 S1: you give a gift of any amount to in the market, 192 00:09:49,210 --> 00:09:53,610 S1: call 877. Janet 58. That's 877. Janet 58. Or go 193 00:09:53,610 --> 00:09:55,930 S1: to in the market with Janet dot o r g. 194 00:10:06,809 --> 00:10:12,170 S4: There may be an ambassador to England or France. You 195 00:10:12,170 --> 00:10:17,570 S4: may like to gamble. You might like to dance. You 196 00:10:17,570 --> 00:10:22,730 S4: may be the heavyweight champion of the world. It may 197 00:10:22,770 --> 00:10:26,450 S4: be a socialite with a long string of pearls. But 198 00:10:26,450 --> 00:10:31,770 S4: you're gonna have to serve somebody. Yes, indeed. You're gonna 199 00:10:31,770 --> 00:10:33,929 S4: have to serve somebody. 200 00:10:35,850 --> 00:10:39,770 S1: In full disclosure, one of my favorite songs profoundly theologically 201 00:10:39,770 --> 00:10:42,640 S1: spot on Bob Dylan. One of the people that Greg 202 00:10:42,640 --> 00:10:46,079 S1: Laurie discusses in his brand new book, Lennon, Dylan, Alice 203 00:10:46,080 --> 00:10:49,720 S1: and Jesus, of course, Greg, senior pastor of Harvest Christian Fellowship. 204 00:10:49,720 --> 00:10:52,960 S1: And he is the man behind harvest Crusades that have 205 00:10:52,960 --> 00:10:54,560 S1: had so many people hear the good news of the 206 00:10:54,559 --> 00:10:57,280 S1: gospel of Jesus Christ. But when last we met, you 207 00:10:57,280 --> 00:10:59,360 S1: left us hanging. So you talked about John Lennon, who 208 00:10:59,360 --> 00:11:02,600 S1: puts out this song imagine. Whenever I hear something like that, 209 00:11:02,640 --> 00:11:04,480 S1: you know, Scripture says, out of the overflow of the heart, 210 00:11:04,480 --> 00:11:06,839 S1: the mouth speaks. If you're writing a song like that, 211 00:11:06,840 --> 00:11:10,040 S1: you're asking deep questions. You have my attention. My prayer 212 00:11:10,040 --> 00:11:11,840 S1: is that you will get the answer. But tell me 213 00:11:11,840 --> 00:11:14,600 S1: about John and how he ended up having this encounter 214 00:11:14,600 --> 00:11:15,240 S1: with God. 215 00:11:16,280 --> 00:11:18,880 S3: Right. So, you know, we all know the song help 216 00:11:18,880 --> 00:11:21,040 S3: by The Beatles. It was also the title of their 217 00:11:21,040 --> 00:11:24,719 S3: second film, but John said, I wrote that as a 218 00:11:24,720 --> 00:11:27,480 S3: cry for help. It's sort of an upbeat, catchy song, 219 00:11:27,480 --> 00:11:31,440 S3: but think about the lyrics. Help! I need somebody help, 220 00:11:31,440 --> 00:11:34,960 S3: not just anybody. Help, I need someone. Won't you please, 221 00:11:34,960 --> 00:11:38,579 S3: please help me. It was a cry for help, and helping. 222 00:11:38,580 --> 00:11:42,380 S3: John was seeking and searching. And throughout his life. You know, 223 00:11:42,420 --> 00:11:47,380 S3: he has a tragic story. His father abandoned him. His mother, ironically, 224 00:11:47,380 --> 00:11:49,699 S3: only lived a few blocks from his home, but had 225 00:11:49,700 --> 00:11:51,900 S3: nothing to do with him, and he was raised by 226 00:11:51,900 --> 00:11:55,100 S3: his Aunt Mimi. So it sent John as a young 227 00:11:55,100 --> 00:11:58,140 S3: boy on his search in life. He had the huge 228 00:11:58,140 --> 00:12:01,300 S3: success of the Beatles and at their peak, you know, 229 00:12:01,300 --> 00:12:04,180 S3: he made his controversial statement that the Beatles are more 230 00:12:04,179 --> 00:12:07,140 S3: popular than Jesus and so forth. But here's what a 231 00:12:07,140 --> 00:12:10,620 S3: lot of people don't know. John Lennon made a profession 232 00:12:10,660 --> 00:12:13,620 S3: of faith to follow Christ. Now there's different versions of 233 00:12:13,620 --> 00:12:17,260 S3: this story, and we did a deep dive and research. Um, 234 00:12:17,300 --> 00:12:22,900 S3: there's a supposed letter that John wrote to Rex Humbard, uh, 235 00:12:22,900 --> 00:12:25,780 S3: where he's talking about his search for God and the 236 00:12:25,780 --> 00:12:28,460 S3: emptiness of his life, but we've never been able to 237 00:12:28,500 --> 00:12:33,260 S3: find that letter. But we did find other information in evidence. Uh, 238 00:12:33,260 --> 00:12:36,380 S3: to verify the fact that Lennon had made a commitment 239 00:12:36,380 --> 00:12:40,570 S3: to Christ. And because there's entries in his diary that 240 00:12:40,570 --> 00:12:43,250 S3: he was keeping at that time. So basically what happened 241 00:12:43,250 --> 00:12:46,850 S3: was John was watching television and he saw a movie 242 00:12:46,850 --> 00:12:49,970 S3: about Jesus, and he called in. Some think it was 243 00:12:49,970 --> 00:12:53,610 S3: a 700 club, I'm not quite sure, but he called 244 00:12:53,610 --> 00:12:56,730 S3: and he started he made a commitment to Christ and 245 00:12:56,730 --> 00:13:00,090 S3: was talking to everyone about it. He even recorded a 246 00:13:00,090 --> 00:13:04,209 S3: couple of gospel songs that you can find on YouTube 247 00:13:04,210 --> 00:13:07,210 S3: if you search for them. But then he didn't last. 248 00:13:07,210 --> 00:13:11,170 S3: It didn't stay. Okay, so then it faded. And then 249 00:13:11,170 --> 00:13:14,730 S3: he followed the trajectory his life took, leading to his 250 00:13:14,730 --> 00:13:20,290 S3: tragic murder there, outside of the Dakota, uh, apartment complex 251 00:13:20,290 --> 00:13:24,490 S3: where he was murdered by Mark David Chapman in 1980. 252 00:13:24,530 --> 00:13:27,089 S3: But but so here's how I begin the book. Janet, 253 00:13:27,330 --> 00:13:30,410 S3: I start with this statement. There'll be three surprises when 254 00:13:30,410 --> 00:13:34,090 S3: you get to heaven. Uh, did you read this already 255 00:13:34,130 --> 00:13:34,770 S3: on the air? 256 00:13:34,809 --> 00:13:35,990 S1: I did. Yes, but. 257 00:13:35,990 --> 00:13:37,670 S3: It's good to be with Shannon Bream, and I can't 258 00:13:37,670 --> 00:13:39,990 S3: remember if she said this or you said this. Did 259 00:13:39,990 --> 00:13:41,189 S3: you read this already? 260 00:13:41,750 --> 00:13:43,829 S1: Yes, I did, but you know what? I'll be confused 261 00:13:43,830 --> 00:13:46,270 S1: with Shannon any day of the week, so that's perfectly okay. 262 00:13:46,309 --> 00:13:47,630 S1: Go read it again. 263 00:13:47,790 --> 00:13:51,589 S3: That was bad name dropping, wasn't it? But, um. So yes, 264 00:13:51,590 --> 00:13:53,270 S3: you read it. I knew it was just said, but 265 00:13:53,270 --> 00:13:56,390 S3: I just did this interview a few minutes ago with her. Anyway, 266 00:13:56,390 --> 00:13:59,829 S3: so there it is. So the surprise will be some 267 00:13:59,830 --> 00:14:01,990 S3: of the people you never thought would be in heaven 268 00:14:01,990 --> 00:14:05,790 S3: will be. Here's what I offer. John was alive and 269 00:14:05,790 --> 00:14:08,630 S3: conscious after he had been shot, and they took him 270 00:14:08,630 --> 00:14:11,790 S3: in a police car to the hospital and the officer 271 00:14:11,790 --> 00:14:14,310 S3: said to John, uh, do you know who you are? 272 00:14:14,350 --> 00:14:17,110 S3: He said, yes, I'm John Lennon. You know, did John 273 00:14:17,150 --> 00:14:19,510 S3: think about that commitment he had made? Did he call 274 00:14:19,510 --> 00:14:22,590 S3: out to the Lord? It's possible the thief on the 275 00:14:22,590 --> 00:14:25,790 S3: cross did that. So I'm not saying he died as 276 00:14:25,790 --> 00:14:28,390 S3: a Christian, but here's what I'm saying. I don't know. 277 00:14:28,590 --> 00:14:30,950 S3: And I come back to a point you raised earlier. 278 00:14:30,950 --> 00:14:34,140 S3: Why are we so quick to judge? So many lives 279 00:14:34,140 --> 00:14:38,700 S3: are a work in progress. Uh. We're unfinished. Uh, we 280 00:14:38,700 --> 00:14:40,980 S3: still have a lot of rough edges. A lot of 281 00:14:40,980 --> 00:14:43,980 S3: things that need to change. And. And I think we 282 00:14:43,980 --> 00:14:47,860 S3: can be way too quick to judge where people are at. 283 00:14:47,900 --> 00:14:50,260 S3: And that brings me to Bob Dylan. If it's okay 284 00:14:50,260 --> 00:14:50,980 S3: if I talk about. 285 00:14:50,980 --> 00:14:52,700 S1: Him, please. Yes, please. 286 00:14:52,740 --> 00:14:55,740 S3: Played his song. So the you know, basically what is 287 00:14:55,740 --> 00:14:58,940 S3: said about Dylan is he obviously made a very public 288 00:14:58,940 --> 00:15:03,540 S3: profession of faith. He recorded three gospel records, including Slow 289 00:15:03,540 --> 00:15:06,620 S3: Train Coming, and you were just playing one of the tracks. 290 00:15:06,620 --> 00:15:10,340 S3: You Got to Serve Somebody. Everybody knew Dylan became a Christian. 291 00:15:10,380 --> 00:15:13,300 S3: Everyone knew, and it was real. I've talked to people 292 00:15:13,300 --> 00:15:17,340 S3: that knew him personally, were attending the little, uh, Bible 293 00:15:17,340 --> 00:15:20,900 S3: classes he was attending. They said his faith was genuine. 294 00:15:21,100 --> 00:15:25,060 S3: He was transformed. But then the consent, you know, sort 295 00:15:25,060 --> 00:15:28,740 S3: of the consensus is Dylan walked away from it and 296 00:15:28,740 --> 00:15:31,880 S3: returned to Judaism. But as I've studied his life and 297 00:15:31,880 --> 00:15:36,359 S3: researched things about him. I don't see that he ever 298 00:15:36,360 --> 00:15:39,840 S3: abandoned his faith in Jesus, I would say. He just 299 00:15:39,840 --> 00:15:43,840 S3: didn't talk about it as much publicly. And in fact, 300 00:15:43,840 --> 00:15:47,240 S3: in his most recent recordings that he has released, one 301 00:15:47,240 --> 00:15:51,240 S3: song called I Contain Multitudes and other songs that he wrote. 302 00:15:51,240 --> 00:15:55,080 S3: There are many allusions to Scripture and faith in Christ. 303 00:15:55,120 --> 00:15:59,160 S3: Here's an example. He recorded a record of Christmas carols. 304 00:15:59,160 --> 00:16:02,680 S3: Did you ever hear that, Janet? His record of Christmas carols. 305 00:16:03,080 --> 00:16:03,400 S1: I mean. 306 00:16:03,720 --> 00:16:06,680 S3: It's unbelievable because these things. I'm just like, you would 307 00:16:06,680 --> 00:16:11,880 S3: expect Dylan to sing A Christmas Carol. O Little Town 308 00:16:11,920 --> 00:16:16,200 S3: of Bethlehem. I mean, just like Bob Dylan. And the 309 00:16:16,200 --> 00:16:18,240 S3: first time I heard it, I thought, what is this 310 00:16:18,240 --> 00:16:22,280 S3: for real? And an interviewer said to Dylan, you sing 311 00:16:22,280 --> 00:16:25,320 S3: these songs as though you believe the words in them. 312 00:16:25,320 --> 00:16:28,360 S3: And he says, I do, I do. So I, I 313 00:16:28,480 --> 00:16:31,110 S3: offer a lot more in my chapter on Dylan. To 314 00:16:31,150 --> 00:16:34,270 S3: say this, I would describe Bob Dylan as a work 315 00:16:34,270 --> 00:16:37,510 S3: in progress. I don't see any evidence to confirm the 316 00:16:37,510 --> 00:16:40,910 S3: fact that he abandoned his faith. So pray for Dylan. 317 00:16:41,430 --> 00:16:44,350 S3: We can't pray for John Lennon anymore, but we can 318 00:16:44,350 --> 00:16:48,030 S3: pray for others. And the reason I tell these stories 319 00:16:48,030 --> 00:16:52,590 S3: is not because I'm enamored with rock stars. It's because 320 00:16:52,590 --> 00:16:56,550 S3: their story is our story. You know, they're just more 321 00:16:56,550 --> 00:16:59,750 S3: well known. They're just people like we are, and they 322 00:16:59,750 --> 00:17:02,190 S3: need Jesus just like we do. 323 00:17:02,830 --> 00:17:07,950 S1: Amen and amen. Lennon, Dylan, Alice and Jesus. Oh, Rita, 324 00:17:07,950 --> 00:17:10,590 S1: please share it with somebody who doesn't yet know the Lord, 325 00:17:10,590 --> 00:17:13,430 S1: but they're interested in music. What a wonderful way to 326 00:17:13,470 --> 00:17:15,750 S1: connect with them so that they can be connected with 327 00:17:15,750 --> 00:17:18,870 S1: the unconditional lover of their soul. Back after this. 328 00:17:28,090 --> 00:17:30,129 S5: Serve somebody. 329 00:18:02,530 --> 00:18:03,609 S2: Well, if you know your Broadway. 330 00:18:03,609 --> 00:18:06,609 S1: Musicals, you know that's Jesus Christ Superstar. Just stop and 331 00:18:06,609 --> 00:18:09,170 S1: think about that for a minute. Why in the world 332 00:18:09,170 --> 00:18:12,449 S1: of Broadway, bright lights treading the boards, why would you 333 00:18:12,450 --> 00:18:15,170 S1: do a musical about Jesus Christ? I'll tell you something 334 00:18:15,170 --> 00:18:16,930 S1: about A hole in the human heart. But Greg Laurie 335 00:18:16,930 --> 00:18:20,370 S1: is with us. He writes about this in his new book, Lennon, Dylan, Alice, 336 00:18:20,369 --> 00:18:23,970 S1: and Jesus. Greg, of course, is senior pastor of Harvest 337 00:18:23,970 --> 00:18:26,920 S1: Christian Fellowship and the founder of Harvest Crusades. I couldn't 338 00:18:26,920 --> 00:18:28,720 S1: wait to talk to you about this part because this 339 00:18:28,760 --> 00:18:32,800 S1: intersects with your Pilgrim's Progress. You are a child of 340 00:18:32,800 --> 00:18:35,120 S1: the Jesus movement, and this is about the time this 341 00:18:35,119 --> 00:18:37,480 S1: shows up. Talk to me about how this intersected with 342 00:18:37,480 --> 00:18:38,080 S1: your life. 343 00:18:39,440 --> 00:18:42,960 S3: Yes, well, that particular Broadway show and later to become 344 00:18:42,960 --> 00:18:46,960 S3: a movie was kind of just indicative of the times 345 00:18:46,960 --> 00:18:50,760 S3: where there was a moment in time musically when Jesus 346 00:18:50,760 --> 00:18:55,240 S3: was on the airwaves. Jesus Christ Superstar. Uh, put your 347 00:18:55,240 --> 00:18:58,680 S3: hand in the hand of the man from Galilee. Uh oh. 348 00:18:58,800 --> 00:19:03,720 S3: Happy day by the Edwin Hawkins Singers. Spirit in the sky. Uh, 349 00:19:03,760 --> 00:19:07,080 S3: even my sweet Lord by George Harrison. And not that 350 00:19:07,080 --> 00:19:10,520 S3: these songs are all theologically correct because they weren't, but 351 00:19:10,520 --> 00:19:13,440 S3: they were about God. And that's really interesting because here's 352 00:19:13,440 --> 00:19:18,320 S3: all of this drug emphasis in the late 60s, 67, 68, 353 00:19:18,320 --> 00:19:20,880 S3: and we're rolling around a little bit later, and there's 354 00:19:20,880 --> 00:19:23,160 S3: all these songs about God. And it was it was 355 00:19:23,160 --> 00:19:25,460 S3: kind of a cry of a generation. And it was 356 00:19:25,460 --> 00:19:29,020 S3: my cry too. So speaking of the Jesus movement, we 357 00:19:29,020 --> 00:19:32,820 S3: just finished shooting a feature film. The Erwin Brothers are 358 00:19:32,820 --> 00:19:36,060 S3: doing it. Who made. Of course, I still believe. And 359 00:19:36,060 --> 00:19:39,940 S3: I can only imagine. In this film, the Jesus Revolution 360 00:19:40,180 --> 00:19:44,180 S3: will release next Easter. It's being edited right now and 361 00:19:44,180 --> 00:19:46,899 S3: it's really the story of my life. It's the story 362 00:19:46,900 --> 00:19:49,940 S3: of how I came to faith in Christ. It's a 363 00:19:49,940 --> 00:19:54,860 S3: story of this spiritual awakening that happened. Kelsey Grammer plays 364 00:19:54,859 --> 00:19:59,100 S3: pastor Chuck Smith. Jonathan Roumie of the Chosen fame, who 365 00:19:59,100 --> 00:20:03,620 S3: plays Jesus, plays the role of evangelist Lonnie Frisbee. Joel 366 00:20:03,619 --> 00:20:08,180 S3: Courtney plays me a great actress named Anna Grace Barlow 367 00:20:08,180 --> 00:20:11,660 S3: plays my wife, Kathy. And so it's it's a it's 368 00:20:11,660 --> 00:20:14,660 S3: going to feel so current because the story is so 369 00:20:14,660 --> 00:20:18,060 S3: closely parallels our own right here, right now. 370 00:20:18,100 --> 00:20:21,260 S1: Yeah. Isn't that the truth? Wow. So there was this 371 00:20:21,300 --> 00:20:24,770 S1: hunger about Jesus. But you include in this chapter Norman 372 00:20:24,770 --> 00:20:28,370 S1: Leary talked about this because Larry Norman rather, because this 373 00:20:28,369 --> 00:20:31,530 S1: really creates a whole new genre. Talk to me about this. 374 00:20:32,330 --> 00:20:35,090 S3: Yeah. Okay. So, you know, in the I Came to 375 00:20:35,130 --> 00:20:38,770 S3: Christ in 1970. Janet and I, you know, I was 376 00:20:38,770 --> 00:20:41,649 S3: raised listening to, you know, the Beatles and the Rolling 377 00:20:41,650 --> 00:20:44,850 S3: Stones and LED Zeppelin and Jimi Hendrix and the Byrds 378 00:20:44,850 --> 00:20:47,730 S3: and all that. So I become a Christian, and I figure, well, 379 00:20:48,210 --> 00:20:50,450 S3: that's the end of listening to music. I guess I'll 380 00:20:50,450 --> 00:20:53,170 S3: just listen to hymns now and and things like that. 381 00:20:53,170 --> 00:20:55,570 S3: So I'm a brand new believer and I'm in a 382 00:20:55,570 --> 00:20:58,090 S3: little Christian coffee house. I don't know why, but coffee 383 00:20:58,130 --> 00:21:01,010 S3: houses are really popular back then. And you know what? 384 00:21:01,010 --> 00:21:04,290 S3: The coffee wasn't even good, but we had these coffee houses. 385 00:21:04,650 --> 00:21:07,730 S3: And so I'm thumbing through these albums. That's back when 386 00:21:07,730 --> 00:21:11,290 S3: we had albums and they've come back again. Vinyl's popular again, 387 00:21:11,290 --> 00:21:14,609 S3: isn't it? But I see the different records, kind of 388 00:21:14,650 --> 00:21:17,810 S3: these folk groups and all Christian records, and all of 389 00:21:17,810 --> 00:21:21,590 S3: a sudden here's this guy, Larry Norman and a record 390 00:21:21,590 --> 00:21:24,590 S3: called Upon This Rock. I go, what is this? And 391 00:21:24,590 --> 00:21:26,790 S3: he's got this long blonde hair. So I put it 392 00:21:26,790 --> 00:21:30,350 S3: on the turntable. This guy was amazing. It was a 393 00:21:30,470 --> 00:21:34,430 S3: capital record. That was the Beatles recording label and Sinatra 394 00:21:34,430 --> 00:21:37,830 S3: and others. And I'm thinking, this guy's amazing. And, you know, 395 00:21:37,869 --> 00:21:41,430 S3: Larry Norman did not describe himself as a Christian singer. 396 00:21:41,430 --> 00:21:43,990 S3: He was a rock singer who happened to be a Christian. 397 00:21:44,230 --> 00:21:46,510 S3: But what he was doing was he was sort of 398 00:21:46,710 --> 00:21:51,350 S3: becoming the father of Christian rock, sort of our Bob Dylan, 399 00:21:51,350 --> 00:21:55,350 S3: if you will. And many other artists followed early Christian 400 00:21:55,350 --> 00:21:58,510 S3: bands like Love Song and and then, you know, fast 401 00:21:58,510 --> 00:22:01,590 S3: forward later and we have Michael W Smith and Amy Grant, 402 00:22:01,590 --> 00:22:04,030 S3: and there's a whole movie out about it done by 403 00:22:04,030 --> 00:22:07,270 S3: the Erwin Brothers called The Jesus Music. And it's a 404 00:22:07,310 --> 00:22:11,390 S3: fascinating journey. But the songs, the music was a reflection 405 00:22:11,390 --> 00:22:14,910 S3: of the spiritual awakening. And we were trying to speak 406 00:22:14,910 --> 00:22:19,260 S3: to our generation, uh, in a way that they would understand. 407 00:22:19,300 --> 00:22:22,899 S3: And so these artists who are very talented started writing songs. 408 00:22:22,900 --> 00:22:25,859 S3: And so I was privileged to have a front row 409 00:22:25,859 --> 00:22:30,820 S3: seat to the real beginning of contemporary Christian music. 410 00:22:31,500 --> 00:22:34,900 S1: Wow. So as you started your journey with the Lord 411 00:22:34,900 --> 00:22:37,899 S1: and right in the midst of this cultural revolution, and, 412 00:22:37,900 --> 00:22:39,740 S1: you know, revolutions you think could be either good or bad, 413 00:22:39,740 --> 00:22:41,580 S1: but it certainly was part of what I think was 414 00:22:41,580 --> 00:22:44,220 S1: the catalyst for the Jesus movement. So out of all 415 00:22:44,220 --> 00:22:46,980 S1: of that came that movement, and you came to faith 416 00:22:46,980 --> 00:22:49,300 S1: in Christ as a result of that. Do you think 417 00:22:49,300 --> 00:22:52,700 S1: that Christian music helped to spread the gospel? Because like, 418 00:22:52,900 --> 00:22:54,700 S1: I laughed when you said it because it's so true. 419 00:22:54,700 --> 00:22:56,699 S1: I heard the same thing in my house. So you 420 00:22:56,740 --> 00:22:58,580 S1: come to faith in Jesus Christ and it's like, okay, 421 00:22:58,580 --> 00:23:00,180 S1: put that away. Not going to be able to listen 422 00:23:00,180 --> 00:23:01,860 S1: to all the things you can't do when you come 423 00:23:01,859 --> 00:23:04,859 S1: to Christ, right? So do you think that Christian music 424 00:23:04,859 --> 00:23:08,300 S1: was helpful in advancing the gospel message? I mean, we 425 00:23:08,300 --> 00:23:10,460 S1: talk about praise and worship now, but I see that 426 00:23:10,460 --> 00:23:13,419 S1: almost as a different vein than Jesus music. 427 00:23:14,140 --> 00:23:18,530 S3: Yeah. It's true. Yes. I think 100% Christian music helped 428 00:23:18,530 --> 00:23:23,290 S3: to spread the gospel because music was such a big 429 00:23:23,290 --> 00:23:25,689 S3: deal back then. It's still a big deal today, but 430 00:23:25,690 --> 00:23:29,650 S3: it was different back then. People looked to artists for leadership, 431 00:23:29,650 --> 00:23:32,810 S3: believe it or not. They pored over the lyrics of 432 00:23:32,810 --> 00:23:36,090 S3: the latest Beatles record or someone else trying to find 433 00:23:36,130 --> 00:23:40,050 S3: meaning in life. So the problem is these pied pipers 434 00:23:40,090 --> 00:23:42,410 S3: were the blind leading the blind. They didn't know where 435 00:23:42,410 --> 00:23:44,410 S3: to go. I mean, I have a chapter in my 436 00:23:44,410 --> 00:23:48,010 S3: book called the 27 club, looking at rock icons who 437 00:23:48,010 --> 00:23:52,410 S3: all tragically died at the age of 27, including Janis Joplin, 438 00:23:52,410 --> 00:23:57,370 S3: Jim Morrison, Brian Jones of the Rolling Stones. So, you know, 439 00:23:57,410 --> 00:23:59,930 S3: that was they didn't know the answer, but we were 440 00:23:59,930 --> 00:24:03,610 S3: looking for answers. So when the new music, it was 441 00:24:03,609 --> 00:24:07,290 S3: called Jesus Music, when it first started coming out, it 442 00:24:07,290 --> 00:24:10,770 S3: was speaking to the culture about our faith in Christ. 443 00:24:11,130 --> 00:24:12,970 S3: And I know it reached a lot of people because 444 00:24:12,970 --> 00:24:15,870 S3: I traveled with these bands and they'd play and I'd 445 00:24:15,869 --> 00:24:19,110 S3: preach the gospel, and we saw thousands coming to Jesus. 446 00:24:19,670 --> 00:24:20,030 S6: Wow. 447 00:24:20,030 --> 00:24:23,870 S1: A whole different perspective on the spiritual biography of rock 448 00:24:23,869 --> 00:24:27,750 S1: and roll. Greg Laurie is with us. His brand new book, Lennon, Dylan, 449 00:24:27,750 --> 00:24:32,350 S1: Alice and Jesus. Absolutely fascinating read. I strongly recommend it. 450 00:24:32,390 --> 00:24:42,949 S1: More with Greg right after this. There's a sense of 451 00:24:42,950 --> 00:24:45,590 S1: anxiety in our country, and I know you feel it too. 452 00:24:45,790 --> 00:24:48,190 S1: As a partial partner, you can help reach the world 453 00:24:48,190 --> 00:24:51,350 S1: with the truth and peace found only in Christ. And 454 00:24:51,470 --> 00:24:54,270 S1: as a partial partner, you'll receive exclusive behind the scenes 455 00:24:54,270 --> 00:24:57,270 S1: information and benefits directly from me, keeping you up to 456 00:24:57,270 --> 00:24:59,510 S1: date on what's going on in our world. So call 457 00:24:59,510 --> 00:25:03,190 S1: 877 Janet 58 or go online to In the market 458 00:25:03,190 --> 00:25:05,590 S1: with Janet Parshall dot o r g. 459 00:25:27,619 --> 00:25:33,340 S2: When we got no choice. All the girls and boys 460 00:25:34,780 --> 00:25:42,619 S2: making all that noise. Cause they found new toys. Well 461 00:25:42,619 --> 00:25:46,859 S2: we can't salute ya. Can't find a flag. If that 462 00:25:46,859 --> 00:25:54,340 S2: don't suit you, that's a drag. School's out for summer. 463 00:25:54,940 --> 00:25:56,620 S1: Yeah. How many of you are head bobbing at this 464 00:25:56,619 --> 00:26:01,180 S1: point and singing along? We are talking with Greg Laurie, 465 00:26:01,420 --> 00:26:04,540 S1: who has so many things. A prolific author right up 466 00:26:04,540 --> 00:26:06,740 S1: there at the top. Yes, yes, he is senior pastor 467 00:26:06,740 --> 00:26:09,540 S1: of Harvest Christian Fellowship. He's the founder of the Harvest 468 00:26:09,540 --> 00:26:13,400 S1: Crusades for over 8.8 million people. Just think about that. 469 00:26:13,400 --> 00:26:16,440 S1: Does that give you goosebumps? Have heard the saving message 470 00:26:16,440 --> 00:26:19,480 S1: of the cross, but he loves to just jump on 471 00:26:19,480 --> 00:26:23,119 S1: cultural issues and uses it as a springboard to win 472 00:26:23,119 --> 00:26:25,479 S1: people to Christ, and I think to quicken the heart 473 00:26:25,480 --> 00:26:28,400 S1: of the church, to really understand that we are on 474 00:26:28,400 --> 00:26:30,640 S1: a spiritual journey, that people are in different places, and 475 00:26:30,640 --> 00:26:32,960 S1: rather than point a finger of judgment that we are 476 00:26:32,960 --> 00:26:35,240 S1: praying for people. So you hear that guy who's doing 477 00:26:35,240 --> 00:26:38,760 S1: that guttural singing, okay, that's a Christian who happens to 478 00:26:38,760 --> 00:26:41,359 S1: be a rock singer. Yeah. Not a rock singer who 479 00:26:41,359 --> 00:26:44,040 S1: happens to be a Christian. And his name is Alice Cooper. 480 00:26:44,119 --> 00:26:47,160 S1: Greg Laurie writes about him and his brand new book, Lennon, Dylan, 481 00:26:47,160 --> 00:26:50,160 S1: Alice and Jesus. And by the way, there's a superb 482 00:26:50,160 --> 00:26:53,120 S1: picture on the back of the book, Alice, complete with 483 00:26:53,119 --> 00:26:55,720 S1: his top hat, sitting next to Greg in the theater. 484 00:26:55,720 --> 00:26:57,880 S1: That picture is worth more than a thousand words. Greg, 485 00:26:57,880 --> 00:27:00,080 S1: you've become friends with Alice. Tell me about him. 486 00:27:00,920 --> 00:27:06,480 S7: Well, his real name is Vincent Furnier, and, uh, this guy, uh, 487 00:27:06,480 --> 00:27:10,990 S7: originally from Detroit, later moved to Arizona. Uh, was just 488 00:27:10,990 --> 00:27:13,990 S7: a young kid. He's a preacher's kid, believe it or not. 489 00:27:14,230 --> 00:27:17,470 S7: Raised in the church. He went to church Sunday morning, 490 00:27:17,470 --> 00:27:22,149 S7: Sunday night, midweek study. I mean, really, you know, involved, but, uh, 491 00:27:22,150 --> 00:27:25,389 S7: he started a little rock band and it became popular and. 492 00:27:25,550 --> 00:27:28,350 S7: And one thing led to another. And pretty soon Alice 493 00:27:28,390 --> 00:27:31,230 S7: has a number one hit, which is the song you 494 00:27:31,230 --> 00:27:35,510 S7: just played, school's out for Summer, uh, followed by other songs. And, 495 00:27:35,550 --> 00:27:37,909 S7: and at one moment in time, he was the biggest 496 00:27:37,950 --> 00:27:41,350 S7: rock star in the whole world. And it's a funny 497 00:27:41,390 --> 00:27:44,270 S7: thing because when he was hitting his peak, a lot 498 00:27:44,270 --> 00:27:49,150 S7: of the old vaudeville guys like Milton Berle, George Burns, uh, 499 00:27:49,670 --> 00:27:53,470 S7: you know, uh, Henny Youngman, those guys were still alive. 500 00:27:53,590 --> 00:27:56,190 S7: And the funny thing, Alice became friends with all those 501 00:27:56,190 --> 00:28:00,590 S7: guys because what they saw was Alice's schtick. His stage 502 00:28:00,590 --> 00:28:04,190 S7: show to them reminded them of vaudeville. And in many ways, 503 00:28:04,190 --> 00:28:06,510 S7: that's what it was. It was a persona. But the 504 00:28:06,510 --> 00:28:11,929 S7: problem was Alice Vincent Furnier started becoming this character he played, uh, 505 00:28:11,970 --> 00:28:15,250 S7: complete with all the vices that go with it. And 506 00:28:15,250 --> 00:28:19,290 S7: soon his life was spiraling, spiraling out of control. Uh, 507 00:28:19,290 --> 00:28:21,850 S7: and he told me the story of when he was alone. 508 00:28:21,850 --> 00:28:24,650 S7: His wife had left him. He had a rock of 509 00:28:24,650 --> 00:28:28,770 S7: cocaine the size of a softball, and he was ingesting it. 510 00:28:28,770 --> 00:28:31,689 S7: And he looked in the mirror and saw blood coming 511 00:28:31,690 --> 00:28:33,889 S7: out of his eyes. And he said, I don't know 512 00:28:33,890 --> 00:28:37,690 S7: if that was a hallucination or if it was really happening, 513 00:28:37,690 --> 00:28:40,290 S7: but all I knew was I was gonna die. So 514 00:28:40,290 --> 00:28:43,930 S7: he called out to God and. And he ultimately entered 515 00:28:43,930 --> 00:28:46,530 S7: rehab for a short period of time and has been 516 00:28:46,530 --> 00:28:49,730 S7: clean and sober, for my goodness sake, over 30 years. 517 00:28:49,890 --> 00:28:52,570 S7: He has his wife came back to him. They have 518 00:28:52,570 --> 00:28:56,690 S7: a beautiful family. And Alice continues to perform in this 519 00:28:56,690 --> 00:28:59,570 S7: character of Alice Cooper. But when you sit down with 520 00:28:59,570 --> 00:29:02,570 S7: this guy, he. He loves the Lord. He knows the 521 00:29:02,570 --> 00:29:07,160 S7: Scripture and he. He talks about his faith openly. And 522 00:29:07,160 --> 00:29:09,680 S7: so that's why I put him on the cover, because 523 00:29:09,680 --> 00:29:13,120 S7: he was sort of my my magical unicorn, for lack 524 00:29:13,120 --> 00:29:14,440 S7: of a better expression. 525 00:29:14,440 --> 00:29:15,360 S3: An actual rock. 526 00:29:15,400 --> 00:29:19,120 S7: Star who became a Christian, who's still a Christian. Right? 527 00:29:19,160 --> 00:29:20,200 S3: Yeah. And, and. 528 00:29:20,200 --> 00:29:23,360 S7: There's others that are not as well known as Alice, 529 00:29:23,600 --> 00:29:26,280 S7: that have made a commitment to Christ, that are walking 530 00:29:26,280 --> 00:29:29,480 S7: with the Lord today, you know, from bands like Kansas, 531 00:29:29,480 --> 00:29:33,040 S7: Buffalo Springfield, The Byrds, the list goes on. And they 532 00:29:33,040 --> 00:29:36,760 S7: all have their own stories of how Jesus transformed their life. 533 00:29:37,160 --> 00:29:40,920 S1: Amen. Amen. Oh, best stories in the world, what Jesus 534 00:29:40,920 --> 00:29:43,480 S1: does and other people he can do for you. You know, 535 00:29:43,480 --> 00:29:47,160 S1: going back to Vince's background, his grandfather was an evangelist. 536 00:29:47,200 --> 00:29:49,240 S1: He said he was an evangelist for almost 70 years. 537 00:29:49,240 --> 00:29:52,640 S1: His wife is the daughter of a Southern Baptist preacher, 538 00:29:52,640 --> 00:29:55,480 S1: and he refers to himself as the prodigal that he 539 00:29:55,520 --> 00:29:58,000 S1: kind of walked away. So it was in his DNA. 540 00:29:58,040 --> 00:30:00,920 S1: He was immersed in this world, but he rebelled and 541 00:30:00,920 --> 00:30:04,460 S1: he walked away. And then he came back again. But 542 00:30:04,700 --> 00:30:06,540 S1: and I think when I was listening to his story, 543 00:30:06,580 --> 00:30:08,340 S1: it would be so easy for him to say, oh, 544 00:30:08,340 --> 00:30:10,020 S1: forget it. You know what a c. S Lewis says. 545 00:30:10,020 --> 00:30:12,620 S1: He says best Christians are the best argument for and 546 00:30:12,620 --> 00:30:15,140 S1: against Christianity. So he's got the hair, he's got the makeup, 547 00:30:15,140 --> 00:30:18,300 S1: he's got the persona. And it's easy for people to say, no, 548 00:30:18,780 --> 00:30:20,540 S1: I don't see the fruit of the spirit when he's 549 00:30:20,540 --> 00:30:23,180 S1: headbanging on stage. Talk to us about that so he 550 00:30:23,180 --> 00:30:25,220 S1: can grow up and be better, mature Christians. 551 00:30:26,180 --> 00:30:29,580 S7: Well, you know, it's just like, I think we build, 552 00:30:29,620 --> 00:30:33,140 S7: we create these weird dichotomies of you have to be 553 00:30:33,180 --> 00:30:36,700 S7: a what are you, a Christian plumber? Are you. 554 00:30:36,700 --> 00:30:36,860 S3: A. 555 00:30:36,860 --> 00:30:41,420 S7: Christian? Um, dentist? Are you? Here's what you are. You're 556 00:30:41,420 --> 00:30:45,300 S7: a dentist. You're a plumber. You're a builder. Uh, you're 557 00:30:45,300 --> 00:30:48,860 S7: an executive. You're a software engineer, and you've given your 558 00:30:48,860 --> 00:30:51,380 S7: life to Christ. Okay, so Alice is, uh, he's an 559 00:30:51,380 --> 00:30:55,300 S7: entertainer and he has a rock show he puts on, 560 00:30:55,340 --> 00:30:58,780 S7: he removed all the parts about the devil and Satan 561 00:30:58,780 --> 00:31:01,340 S7: and all those dark parts. And it's a story of 562 00:31:01,410 --> 00:31:04,890 S7: coming from darkness to light. That is the story Alice 563 00:31:04,930 --> 00:31:07,730 S7: is telling. Then when he does interviews, he does talk 564 00:31:07,770 --> 00:31:10,930 S7: about his faith in Christ. Now, Allison's not a pastor. 565 00:31:11,130 --> 00:31:14,450 S7: He's not an evangelist per se, out there. You know, 566 00:31:14,490 --> 00:31:18,490 S7: speaking in that regard. But he's taking his platform that is, 567 00:31:18,650 --> 00:31:21,290 S7: you know, people are aware of and he's spoken very openly. 568 00:31:21,290 --> 00:31:25,250 S7: Just go to YouTube and Google, Alice Cooper, comma, Greg Laurie, 569 00:31:25,530 --> 00:31:26,250 S7: and you'll find. 570 00:31:26,250 --> 00:31:26,450 S3: My. 571 00:31:26,450 --> 00:31:30,370 S7: Interview with him. He goes in depth into his story 572 00:31:30,370 --> 00:31:33,370 S7: of coming to Jesus Christ. So this is a guy 573 00:31:33,410 --> 00:31:35,970 S7: that the Lord got hold of. And, and, you know, 574 00:31:36,010 --> 00:31:38,370 S7: and again, the kind of overriding theme of the book 575 00:31:38,370 --> 00:31:40,810 S7: is no one is beyond the reach of God, because. 576 00:31:41,210 --> 00:31:41,770 S3: We all know. 577 00:31:41,770 --> 00:31:45,170 S7: When Alice Cooper, we all know a prodigal son or daughter. 578 00:31:45,290 --> 00:31:45,650 S3: Right? 579 00:31:45,690 --> 00:31:48,450 S7: And we should keep praying for them and not give 580 00:31:48,450 --> 00:31:51,770 S7: up on them, because the Lord is working and wants 581 00:31:51,770 --> 00:31:54,690 S7: to bring these people back to himself. And so I 582 00:31:54,690 --> 00:31:57,330 S7: think this would be a great book to encourage Christians, 583 00:31:57,530 --> 00:31:59,570 S7: but I also think it'll be a great book to 584 00:31:59,710 --> 00:32:01,830 S7: pass on to a non-believing friend. 585 00:32:02,750 --> 00:32:05,270 S1: Yeah. Could not agree more. And let me go back 586 00:32:05,270 --> 00:32:07,510 S1: to what we were saying before, because God bless Vince. 587 00:32:07,510 --> 00:32:10,190 S1: He actually went to his pastor after he had his 588 00:32:10,190 --> 00:32:12,750 S1: faith in Christ. And he was vibrant and unashamed. And 589 00:32:12,750 --> 00:32:14,390 S1: he and he said, well, I guess I got to 590 00:32:14,390 --> 00:32:17,870 S1: stop being. Alice Cooper and his pastor counseled him exactly 591 00:32:17,870 --> 00:32:19,870 S1: the opposite way. Share that with our friends. Yeah. 592 00:32:20,990 --> 00:32:24,550 S7: Yeah, that's very true. And that would surprise some people. But, 593 00:32:24,590 --> 00:32:27,150 S7: you know, he does have a platform and it's a 594 00:32:27,150 --> 00:32:32,270 S7: very unusual platform and it transcends generations. And so, you know, 595 00:32:32,310 --> 00:32:34,670 S7: there's going to be an audience of people that might 596 00:32:34,670 --> 00:32:38,750 S7: listen to Alice Cooper of this persona, that would not 597 00:32:38,750 --> 00:32:41,470 S7: listen to Vince if he got a haircut and just 598 00:32:41,510 --> 00:32:44,790 S7: kind of went back to being whatever he was before he, 599 00:32:44,790 --> 00:32:47,950 S7: you know, he gives him a stage to speak from. And, 600 00:32:47,990 --> 00:32:49,830 S7: you know, there's a lot of people that have this 601 00:32:49,830 --> 00:32:52,790 S7: stage that they use for God's glory. And some are 602 00:32:52,790 --> 00:32:56,430 S7: in a full time contemporary Christian music venue or outlet. 603 00:32:56,430 --> 00:32:59,260 S7: And that's great too. But you know God, God wants 604 00:32:59,260 --> 00:33:05,100 S7: to reach unexpected people in unexpected places with an unexpected message. 605 00:33:05,300 --> 00:33:07,740 S7: Jesus did not say that the whole world should go 606 00:33:07,740 --> 00:33:10,260 S7: to church, but he said the church should go to 607 00:33:10,300 --> 00:33:12,740 S7: the whole world. So I'm always looking for ways to 608 00:33:12,780 --> 00:33:16,420 S7: build new bridges to non-believers. Like right now I'm working 609 00:33:16,420 --> 00:33:19,620 S7: on a documentary film on the life of Johnny Cash, 610 00:33:19,820 --> 00:33:22,380 S7: and I want to use Johnny's story. And he too, 611 00:33:22,420 --> 00:33:25,500 S7: was a prodigal like Alice. I want to use Johnny's 612 00:33:25,500 --> 00:33:28,500 S7: story to tell a bigger story. So when people go 613 00:33:28,500 --> 00:33:31,900 S7: in the theater because they're fans of cash in his music, uh, 614 00:33:31,940 --> 00:33:34,620 S7: that they'll see that Johnny's faith in Christ was strong. 615 00:33:34,620 --> 00:33:37,580 S7: He had elapsed, he fell, but he got up again 616 00:33:37,580 --> 00:33:39,940 S7: and he returned to the Lord. And so I think 617 00:33:39,940 --> 00:33:42,540 S7: these are our powerful testimonies. You know, we all have 618 00:33:42,540 --> 00:33:45,820 S7: a testimony, but these are people that are known by others. 619 00:33:45,820 --> 00:33:50,060 S7: So I use their stories to tell the most important story, 620 00:33:50,060 --> 00:33:53,300 S7: which is the story of the life, death and resurrection 621 00:33:53,300 --> 00:33:54,580 S7: of Jesus Christ. 622 00:33:54,860 --> 00:33:57,800 S1: Amen. You know, a dear friend of mine is Karen Cavell. 623 00:33:57,840 --> 00:34:00,320 S1: She's the founder of the Hollywood Prayer Network. I love 624 00:34:00,320 --> 00:34:03,080 S1: to talk to her because she's really taught me that. 625 00:34:03,080 --> 00:34:05,960 S1: You look at the influencers. In fact, here I'm talking 626 00:34:05,960 --> 00:34:08,680 S1: to you from Washington, D.C., where one would think this 627 00:34:08,680 --> 00:34:11,760 S1: is where the greatest group of influencers resides. But Barney's 628 00:34:11,800 --> 00:34:13,239 S1: got it right when he says, we get more of 629 00:34:13,239 --> 00:34:15,560 S1: our values from the Cineplex on Saturday night than we 630 00:34:15,560 --> 00:34:18,280 S1: do from the pulpit on Sunday morning. So if that 631 00:34:18,280 --> 00:34:20,879 S1: follows through and I think it does, then we need 632 00:34:20,880 --> 00:34:23,760 S1: to be praying for the biggest group of influencers out there. 633 00:34:23,760 --> 00:34:25,880 S1: I'm not saying abdicate, praying for those in authority. You 634 00:34:25,880 --> 00:34:28,240 S1: and I have a directive to do that. But rather, 635 00:34:28,239 --> 00:34:30,000 S1: and this is what Karen has taught me, looking at 636 00:34:30,000 --> 00:34:32,719 S1: Hollywood as Sodom and Gomorrah, if we looked at it 637 00:34:32,719 --> 00:34:36,640 S1: as Nineveh, wouldn't it radically change our perspective and our 638 00:34:36,640 --> 00:34:40,520 S1: prayer life to pray for people who are influencers and 639 00:34:40,520 --> 00:34:42,839 S1: imagine if their life is turned around and they have 640 00:34:42,840 --> 00:34:45,560 S1: that personal relationship with Jesus Christ, because the name above 641 00:34:45,560 --> 00:34:48,200 S1: the marquee doesn't cut it anymore. Getting the little golden 642 00:34:48,200 --> 00:34:50,080 S1: statue gifts gets rusty, and you sell it at a 643 00:34:50,080 --> 00:34:53,520 S1: garage sale eventually. But having that eternal relationship with the 644 00:34:53,520 --> 00:34:56,549 S1: living God can absolutely change you around. Craig, if we 645 00:34:56,550 --> 00:34:59,270 S1: would get that, I think it would radicalize our prayer 646 00:34:59,310 --> 00:35:02,630 S1: life and our whole sense of evangelism, which I'm worried 647 00:35:02,630 --> 00:35:05,310 S1: in these latter days, we've grown cold in this area. 648 00:35:06,030 --> 00:35:09,830 S7: Well, I really agree, and that's a great analogy of 649 00:35:09,830 --> 00:35:13,310 S7: comparing Hollywood to Nineveh instead of Sodom and Gomorrah. God 650 00:35:13,310 --> 00:35:16,069 S7: brought judgement on Sodom and Gomorrah, and you know, he 651 00:35:16,070 --> 00:35:18,830 S7: will probably win down Hollywood too, and a lot of 652 00:35:18,830 --> 00:35:23,150 S7: other institutions. But but Nineveh, Jonah went there and he reluctantly, 653 00:35:23,150 --> 00:35:26,870 S7: as we know, preached in Nineveh. He didn't want to go, 654 00:35:26,870 --> 00:35:29,589 S7: but a revival broke out. And I think of Paul 655 00:35:29,590 --> 00:35:32,830 S7: and Mars Hill. So Mars Hill, as you know, was, was, 656 00:35:32,870 --> 00:35:35,669 S7: you know, there in Greece where the Areopagus was, where 657 00:35:35,670 --> 00:35:40,070 S7: the philosophers met, Paul went into that world and he 658 00:35:40,110 --> 00:35:42,989 S7: actually took the time to assess the culture, saw their 659 00:35:42,989 --> 00:35:46,189 S7: penchant for idolatry, and said, I've been looking around at 660 00:35:46,190 --> 00:35:47,270 S7: all your gods. 661 00:35:47,270 --> 00:35:50,950 S3: And people of Athens. I perceive that your religious or. 662 00:35:50,950 --> 00:35:54,689 S3: Today we might say you're into spirituality. Then he said. 663 00:35:54,730 --> 00:35:57,570 S3: I want to talk to you about this one altar 664 00:35:57,610 --> 00:36:01,410 S3: erected to the unknown God. That's called building a bridge 665 00:36:01,410 --> 00:36:03,529 S3: to your culture. And that's what I'm trying to do 666 00:36:03,530 --> 00:36:05,810 S3: with this book and other things that we do. 667 00:36:06,370 --> 00:36:06,650 S6: Wow. 668 00:36:06,650 --> 00:36:09,330 S1: The book is superb. You read it, but make sure 669 00:36:09,330 --> 00:36:11,490 S1: you give it to somebody who doesn't yet know Jesus, 670 00:36:11,489 --> 00:36:13,850 S1: who's interested in rock and roll, and who isn't interested 671 00:36:13,850 --> 00:36:18,810 S1: in music. Lennon, Dylan, Alice, and Jesus. The Spiritual Biography 672 00:36:18,810 --> 00:36:21,290 S1: of Rock and roll. It's the newest book by Greg Laurie. 673 00:36:21,330 --> 00:36:22,730 S1: I'm going to take a break and come right back. 674 00:36:22,770 --> 00:36:25,330 S1: I told you this interview would go fast, way too fast. 675 00:36:25,330 --> 00:36:29,410 S1: There's a ton more in the book, so get it out. 676 00:36:29,530 --> 00:36:31,010 S2: Com, please. 677 00:36:52,680 --> 00:36:57,080 S8: She was in love. Let go of me! Even in 678 00:36:57,080 --> 00:37:00,320 S8: the summertime. Hey. 679 00:37:00,960 --> 00:37:03,759 S1: Could that lady play the drums or what? Sheila E, 680 00:37:03,960 --> 00:37:06,719 S1: she is an artist that's discussed by Greg Lowry and 681 00:37:06,719 --> 00:37:10,920 S1: his brand new book, Lennon, Dylan, Alice and Jesus absolutely 682 00:37:10,920 --> 00:37:13,440 S1: Fabulous book, by the way, it's written over 70 books, 683 00:37:13,560 --> 00:37:16,280 S1: in fact. I am thrilled that Greg touched on acts 17. 684 00:37:16,320 --> 00:37:18,160 S1: I was thinking that the entire time I was reading 685 00:37:18,160 --> 00:37:20,760 S1: the book. And by the way, you realize that the saying, 686 00:37:20,800 --> 00:37:23,680 S1: the belief is that Paul was walking around Athens, the 687 00:37:23,680 --> 00:37:25,919 S1: intellectual center of that part of the world, for about 688 00:37:25,920 --> 00:37:27,560 S1: a year and a half. There was a saying that 689 00:37:27,560 --> 00:37:29,920 S1: there were more gods than men in Athens. So by 690 00:37:29,920 --> 00:37:32,360 S1: the time he crawls up to the Areopagus and he 691 00:37:32,360 --> 00:37:34,520 S1: meets the Epicureans and the Stoics, he had a thing 692 00:37:34,520 --> 00:37:36,200 S1: or two already in his heart, and his head was 693 00:37:36,200 --> 00:37:38,960 S1: prepared as well. So he just met the culture where 694 00:37:38,960 --> 00:37:41,120 S1: they were at and took them where they needed to go. 695 00:37:41,360 --> 00:37:44,240 S1: Welcome to the marketplace of ideas. That's what this program 696 00:37:44,239 --> 00:37:45,960 S1: wants you to do. But more importantly, it's where God 697 00:37:45,960 --> 00:37:47,719 S1: wants you to go. How do I know it? Because 698 00:37:47,719 --> 00:37:50,060 S1: you get to peer into that conversation when Jesus is 699 00:37:50,060 --> 00:37:52,380 S1: talking to his ABBA Father and he says, my prayer 700 00:37:52,380 --> 00:37:54,819 S1: is not that you keep them out of the world, 701 00:37:54,820 --> 00:37:57,580 S1: but that you guard them with thy word. Thy word 702 00:37:57,580 --> 00:38:00,380 S1: is truth. So I want you to hear something, because 703 00:38:00,380 --> 00:38:03,060 S1: this individual is also talked about by Greg and his 704 00:38:03,060 --> 00:38:05,540 S1: new book, Lenin, Dylan, Alice and Jesus. He was the 705 00:38:05,540 --> 00:38:08,380 S1: lead guitarist of Metallica. He was the founder of Megadeth. 706 00:38:08,380 --> 00:38:10,020 S1: And he gets in front of a TV camera and 707 00:38:10,020 --> 00:38:10,780 S1: he says this. 708 00:38:14,420 --> 00:38:16,859 S9: Just go to the find God thing. How did you 709 00:38:16,900 --> 00:38:18,460 S9: found him? He found you. How does this work? 710 00:38:18,980 --> 00:38:22,819 S10: Well, um, when I was four, I was baptized as 711 00:38:22,820 --> 00:38:25,220 S10: a Lutheran, and then my mom became a Jehovah's Witness, 712 00:38:25,219 --> 00:38:29,380 S10: which just ruined my childhood. Because, you know, in America, 713 00:38:29,940 --> 00:38:31,540 S10: when we start class, I don't know if it's the 714 00:38:31,540 --> 00:38:33,739 S10: same here or not, but we say the Pledge of 715 00:38:33,739 --> 00:38:38,779 S10: Allegiance and Jehovah's Witnesses don't and they don't celebrate Christmas, 716 00:38:38,780 --> 00:38:42,460 S10: which sucked. They don't celebrate birthdays, which sucked. And I 717 00:38:42,460 --> 00:38:44,980 S10: couldn't have friends that were normal people because they were 718 00:38:45,020 --> 00:38:48,529 S10: of the world. Right? But, um, you know, something just 719 00:38:48,530 --> 00:38:51,649 S10: happened where I, uh, I was just yearning for a 720 00:38:51,650 --> 00:38:56,250 S10: difference in my life. I felt really empty, you know, and, and, um, 721 00:38:56,610 --> 00:38:58,730 S10: you know, the drugs weren't doing it. The alcohol wasn't 722 00:38:58,730 --> 00:38:59,450 S10: doing it. 723 00:38:59,450 --> 00:39:01,210 S9: I know that you had toured with Cooper before and 724 00:39:01,210 --> 00:39:03,049 S9: you grew up loving Alice Cooper, but you toured with 725 00:39:03,050 --> 00:39:05,850 S9: them pre his reo coming out right as a born 726 00:39:05,850 --> 00:39:06,570 S9: again Christian. 727 00:39:06,850 --> 00:39:09,049 S10: You know, I don't know. All I know is that 728 00:39:09,050 --> 00:39:11,410 S10: when we were touring with him, that he was he 729 00:39:11,410 --> 00:39:14,609 S10: was sober already. Yeah. And, uh, I called him up 730 00:39:14,610 --> 00:39:16,049 S10: one time and I told him I was thinking about 731 00:39:16,050 --> 00:39:23,770 S10: getting a tattoo, which I changed my mind and tattoo free. And, um, he, uh, he, 732 00:39:24,130 --> 00:39:26,609 S10: you know, he wanted to help me, and I, I 733 00:39:26,610 --> 00:39:29,050 S10: don't know who said what, but he's my godfather now. 734 00:39:29,250 --> 00:39:30,930 S10: He is? Yeah. So he helped me in a lot 735 00:39:30,930 --> 00:39:33,489 S10: of different areas. And, and, uh, I just, I just 736 00:39:33,489 --> 00:39:37,250 S10: went through so many transitions where I started to, uh, 737 00:39:37,290 --> 00:39:40,330 S10: make amends to the people that I'd harmed and, and, uh, 738 00:39:41,130 --> 00:39:45,390 S10: so I enemy free right now, which is a great feeling. 739 00:39:45,989 --> 00:39:46,350 S10: You know. 740 00:39:46,390 --> 00:39:47,190 S9: It's a new feeling too. 741 00:39:47,230 --> 00:39:49,910 S10: Right? Yeah, yeah. Well, the last person that was on 742 00:39:49,910 --> 00:39:54,230 S10: my list was the guys in Metallica. And, uh, you know, 743 00:39:54,270 --> 00:39:58,750 S10: we did the big four stuff, which was enormous. And, um, 744 00:39:59,110 --> 00:40:02,150 S10: then they just had their 30th anniversary in San Francisco 745 00:40:02,150 --> 00:40:03,670 S10: and asked me to come up and play with them. 746 00:40:03,670 --> 00:40:05,670 S10: And that was, that was a trip. 747 00:40:07,469 --> 00:40:09,750 S1: MM. Who'd have thunk? The world of rock and roll 748 00:40:09,750 --> 00:40:12,550 S1: could be a mission field, huh? There's Alice Cooper sharing 749 00:40:12,550 --> 00:40:16,110 S1: Jesus with Dave Mustaine. I've become all things to all people, 750 00:40:16,110 --> 00:40:19,350 S1: by all means, so that some might be saved. Wow. So, Greg, 751 00:40:19,390 --> 00:40:21,550 S1: talk to me about Sheila E, talk to me about 752 00:40:21,550 --> 00:40:24,549 S1: Dave again. These are people they give such evidence to, 753 00:40:24,590 --> 00:40:27,550 S1: that God shaped void that resides in the heart of 754 00:40:27,550 --> 00:40:30,189 S1: every man. You know, that doesn't happen by accident. We 755 00:40:30,190 --> 00:40:32,469 S1: are made with that hole in our heart. So why 756 00:40:32,469 --> 00:40:34,750 S1: would we think that rock stars wouldn't pursue a filling 757 00:40:34,750 --> 00:40:35,750 S1: of that hole as well? 758 00:40:36,710 --> 00:40:40,230 S11: Well, of course, and the reality is they've already seen 759 00:40:40,270 --> 00:40:43,900 S11: what the world offers, and they know that that's not it. 760 00:40:44,100 --> 00:40:46,939 S11: You know, they they've bought the t shirt and in 761 00:40:46,940 --> 00:40:49,979 S11: some cases they've been the t shirt. Uh, been there, 762 00:40:49,980 --> 00:40:53,740 S11: done that, you know. And so they through process of elimination, 763 00:40:53,739 --> 00:40:56,540 S11: they know where the answer is not. But then hopefully 764 00:40:56,540 --> 00:40:59,660 S11: they hear the gospel. Sheila E, uh, was not a 765 00:40:59,660 --> 00:41:01,940 S11: drug addict as some of these people were. She had 766 00:41:01,940 --> 00:41:05,660 S11: a lot of physical problems from her drumming. And in a, 767 00:41:05,660 --> 00:41:08,740 S11: in a moment of despair, cried out to God in. 768 00:41:08,739 --> 00:41:12,500 S11: Jesus Christ entered her life. She was a percussionist for Prince. 769 00:41:12,820 --> 00:41:15,779 S11: And then Dave is such an interesting story because he 770 00:41:15,780 --> 00:41:18,460 S11: reminds me of a modern day Zacchaeus. You know. 771 00:41:18,500 --> 00:41:19,140 S3: Zacchaeus. 772 00:41:19,140 --> 00:41:23,620 S11: Was a controversial figure, too. He was a tax collector. 773 00:41:23,660 --> 00:41:24,340 S3: No one wanted. 774 00:41:24,340 --> 00:41:28,100 S11: To hang around him except Jesus. And Jesus came over 775 00:41:28,100 --> 00:41:31,180 S11: to visit him and and Zacchaeus came out and was 776 00:41:31,180 --> 00:41:35,740 S11: ready to recompense. He was ready to pay back. 777 00:41:36,060 --> 00:41:38,779 S3: And and, you know, restore that which he had taken 778 00:41:38,780 --> 00:41:41,680 S3: from others. And that's what Dave was talking about, being 779 00:41:41,719 --> 00:41:45,320 S3: enemy free. And to me, these this is the fruit 780 00:41:45,320 --> 00:41:48,040 S3: that we should be looking for. The fruit of a 781 00:41:48,040 --> 00:41:52,040 S3: changed life. Uh, not just a cleaning their appearance up 782 00:41:52,040 --> 00:41:55,080 S3: or whatever we think that is or isn't, but it's 783 00:41:55,080 --> 00:41:58,800 S3: really the change of the heart. And, uh, and you know, 784 00:41:58,840 --> 00:42:02,640 S3: God can change anyone. And, and so again, coming back 785 00:42:02,640 --> 00:42:06,120 S3: to the theme of this book, uh, Lennon, Dylan, Allison, 786 00:42:06,120 --> 00:42:09,800 S3: Jesus is I'm saying no one is beyond the reach 787 00:42:09,800 --> 00:42:14,080 S3: of God. So start praying for people by name, praying 788 00:42:14,080 --> 00:42:17,799 S3: for the most notorious sinners and saying, Lord, would you 789 00:42:17,840 --> 00:42:20,879 S3: save that person? Think of Saul of Tarsus, who was 790 00:42:20,880 --> 00:42:25,080 S3: a notorious sinner than him. He hunted Christians down almost 791 00:42:25,080 --> 00:42:28,440 S3: for sport, if you will, and God got hold of 792 00:42:28,440 --> 00:42:32,400 S3: him on the road to Damascus. And Saul went from 793 00:42:32,400 --> 00:42:37,520 S3: being a man motivated by hatred to a man moved 794 00:42:37,560 --> 00:42:40,430 S3: by love. In fact, he wrote first Corinthians 13, the 795 00:42:40,430 --> 00:42:43,589 S3: great love chapter. But and the apostle Paul becomes the 796 00:42:43,590 --> 00:42:47,310 S3: apostle Paul. So, you know, God wants to work in 797 00:42:47,310 --> 00:42:49,950 S3: the lives of these people. And but I think that 798 00:42:49,950 --> 00:42:52,710 S3: people are listening right now and they know a prodigal. 799 00:42:52,750 --> 00:42:56,549 S3: They they know someone that's struggling, maybe with substance abuse. 800 00:42:56,590 --> 00:43:00,030 S3: They know somebody else that is having other issues. And, 801 00:43:00,270 --> 00:43:02,870 S3: and this book could maybe be a cool tool for 802 00:43:02,870 --> 00:43:06,029 S3: you to use to start a conversation with them and 803 00:43:06,030 --> 00:43:09,589 S3: talk about other lives that have changed. Listen, Janet, one 804 00:43:09,590 --> 00:43:12,669 S3: of the most powerful tools we have in our evangelistic 805 00:43:12,710 --> 00:43:17,469 S3: toolbox is our personal testimony. It's our story of how 806 00:43:17,469 --> 00:43:22,070 S3: we came to Christ. So I'm effectively leveraging the testimonies 807 00:43:22,270 --> 00:43:25,750 S3: of many of these artists like Dave, like Alice, like 808 00:43:25,750 --> 00:43:29,950 S3: Richie Furay from Buffalo Springfield or Dion DiMucci of Dion 809 00:43:30,070 --> 00:43:35,270 S3: and the Belmonts, or Roger McGuinn from the Byrds and others. 810 00:43:35,670 --> 00:43:38,089 S3: I'm taking their story and saying, look, God got hold 811 00:43:38,090 --> 00:43:41,210 S3: of them. God can get hold of anyone. And we 812 00:43:41,210 --> 00:43:44,250 S3: all have our own story to tell. Like the woman 813 00:43:44,250 --> 00:43:47,009 S3: at the well who when she met Jesus, went out 814 00:43:47,010 --> 00:43:49,410 S3: to the town and said, come and see a man 815 00:43:49,410 --> 00:43:53,330 S3: who told me everything I ever said or did. And 816 00:43:53,330 --> 00:43:57,009 S3: many believed on him as a result of her testimony. 817 00:43:57,489 --> 00:43:59,410 S1: Wow, what a note to end on Greg. I love 818 00:43:59,410 --> 00:44:03,169 S1: the fact that you end the book by sharing the gospel, 819 00:44:03,170 --> 00:44:06,170 S1: and you invite people to really accept Jesus, and you 820 00:44:06,170 --> 00:44:07,609 S1: walk them through how to do that with a prayer 821 00:44:07,610 --> 00:44:10,489 S1: that you've printed. And then you invite anybody who's prayed 822 00:44:10,489 --> 00:44:12,170 S1: that prayer to send you an email, and you're going 823 00:44:12,210 --> 00:44:15,049 S1: to send them the New Believers Bible. Ultimately, this book 824 00:44:15,050 --> 00:44:18,089 S1: is not only a retrospective on rock and roll, it's 825 00:44:18,090 --> 00:44:20,489 S1: an evangelistic tool. And I thank you, brother, for the 826 00:44:20,489 --> 00:44:22,810 S1: way you wrote it and what you did. God bless you. 827 00:44:22,810 --> 00:44:25,649 S1: The book is called Lennon, Dylan, Alice, and Jesus. Now 828 00:44:25,650 --> 00:44:28,730 S1: go out and tell somebody about Jesus. It's the greatest 829 00:44:28,730 --> 00:44:31,410 S1: experience you'll ever have. My thanks to Greg, Laurie and you. 830 00:44:31,450 --> 00:44:32,530 S1: See you next time, friends.