1 00:00:00,040 --> 00:00:02,480 S1: Hi friends. Thanks so much for downloading this podcast, and 2 00:00:02,480 --> 00:00:05,520 S1: I hope truly that you will hear something that will encourage, edify, 3 00:00:05,559 --> 00:00:08,200 S1: equip and enlighten you to get out there and influence 4 00:00:08,200 --> 00:00:10,879 S1: and occupy until he comes. And on that note, may 5 00:00:10,880 --> 00:00:12,799 S1: I take just a few moments here to describe this 6 00:00:12,800 --> 00:00:15,800 S1: month's truth tool? It's by pastor Jack Hibbs. He's written 7 00:00:15,800 --> 00:00:18,599 S1: the book called Called to Take a Bold Stand. I 8 00:00:18,600 --> 00:00:21,079 S1: absolutely love this book because it reminds us that in 9 00:00:21,079 --> 00:00:24,200 S1: Christ all things pass away. All things become new, that 10 00:00:24,200 --> 00:00:26,760 S1: we are standing for his truth, that we have a 11 00:00:26,760 --> 00:00:29,640 S1: new nature. Because of him, we should be living boldly. 12 00:00:29,640 --> 00:00:32,080 S1: But far too often we retreat out of fear from 13 00:00:32,080 --> 00:00:35,080 S1: cultural blowback. So I want to encourage all of us 14 00:00:35,080 --> 00:00:37,519 S1: to just stand up for Christ, to be unashamed of 15 00:00:37,560 --> 00:00:39,479 S1: who we are in him, and to go into a 16 00:00:39,479 --> 00:00:42,599 S1: culture that's telling us in no uncertain terms. They're lost 17 00:00:42,600 --> 00:00:44,720 S1: and they're hurting. So if you'd like a copy of 18 00:00:44,720 --> 00:00:47,880 S1: Pastor Hibbs new book called Call to Take a Bold Stand, 19 00:00:48,000 --> 00:00:50,720 S1: just give a gift of any amount by calling eight, seven, seven. 20 00:00:50,720 --> 00:00:53,680 S1: Janet 58. We are listener supported radio, and this is 21 00:00:53,680 --> 00:00:55,640 S1: my way of saying thank you. So that number again 22 00:00:55,680 --> 00:00:59,200 S1: is 877 Janet 58. 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Today's program 40 00:01:48,960 --> 00:01:51,400 S2: is where Janet and her husband, Craig, take some of 41 00:01:51,400 --> 00:01:54,560 S2: the stories making headlines this week and offer their insight 42 00:01:54,560 --> 00:01:57,480 S2: and analysis. Before they get started, let's take a quick 43 00:01:57,480 --> 00:01:59,639 S2: look back at some of the highlights from the week. 44 00:02:05,120 --> 00:02:08,440 S3: We definitely need to love. But not just we love 45 00:02:08,440 --> 00:02:11,480 S3: people to Christ. If Christ is not a part of 46 00:02:11,480 --> 00:02:15,600 S3: this equation, we could be patting people on the back 47 00:02:15,639 --> 00:02:19,880 S3: on their way. Apart from an eternity away from God. 48 00:02:20,240 --> 00:02:23,679 S3: So we need to love people to Christ. We don't 49 00:02:23,680 --> 00:02:26,760 S3: make a. We don't make love an end in itself. 50 00:02:27,160 --> 00:02:30,520 S3: We make love a means to an end. And I 51 00:02:30,520 --> 00:02:32,840 S3: think many of the approaches that we hear today, even 52 00:02:32,840 --> 00:02:37,200 S3: among evangelical churches, it's grace at the expense of truth. 53 00:02:37,680 --> 00:02:40,280 S4: I've had people come to my office at work that 54 00:02:40,280 --> 00:02:42,720 S4: sometimes are in crisis in their lives, or a loved 55 00:02:42,720 --> 00:02:44,720 S4: one is and will say, I don't really know this 56 00:02:44,720 --> 00:02:47,480 S4: whole religion thing, but I know you know God and 57 00:02:47,480 --> 00:02:49,880 S4: that you pray. And could you pray for my family 58 00:02:49,880 --> 00:02:52,160 S4: or pray for me? And that is just the most 59 00:02:52,200 --> 00:02:55,920 S4: humbling privilege to to be able to do that. I've had, 60 00:02:55,960 --> 00:02:58,840 S4: you know, talks with a lot of lawmakers and prominent 61 00:02:58,840 --> 00:03:01,960 S4: folks like you. You say you'd recognize their names. Some 62 00:03:01,960 --> 00:03:04,280 S4: of them boldly live their faith out loud. Some of 63 00:03:04,280 --> 00:03:06,800 S4: them are more quiet about it. Um, but I find 64 00:03:06,800 --> 00:03:11,120 S4: that there are some beautiful places of bipartisanship with Bible 65 00:03:11,120 --> 00:03:14,959 S4: studies on the Hill lawmakers, their staffers, those kinds of things. 66 00:03:15,000 --> 00:03:17,480 S4: And so there are good people of faith who do 67 00:03:17,520 --> 00:03:21,359 S4: want to talk about Jesus. All through Washington, the director, 68 00:03:21,360 --> 00:03:25,120 S4: Ryan Johnson, came from a Christian home and was growing 69 00:03:25,120 --> 00:03:28,200 S4: up with the Lord. And then his father left the house, 70 00:03:28,200 --> 00:03:32,560 S4: had an affair, destroyed Ryan's heart, and he walked away 71 00:03:32,560 --> 00:03:36,200 S4: from faith. And now he's starting to question the things 72 00:03:36,200 --> 00:03:39,240 S4: that he learned as a child. And that movie is 73 00:03:39,240 --> 00:03:43,800 S4: full of spiritual truths and incredible questions to lead you 74 00:03:43,800 --> 00:03:47,960 S4: to God. It's just amazing. And so the journey of 75 00:03:47,960 --> 00:03:51,720 S4: the filmmakers are what we go on. And because God 76 00:03:51,720 --> 00:03:54,800 S4: has created us with that God shaped hole, we're going 77 00:03:54,840 --> 00:03:58,200 S4: to find more truth in films than we actually notice 78 00:03:58,240 --> 00:04:02,120 S4: if we're not paying attention. God's word became more alive 79 00:04:02,120 --> 00:04:05,240 S4: to me than it ever had in my entire life. Like, 80 00:04:05,280 --> 00:04:08,360 S4: I would get up early and I felt like God 81 00:04:08,360 --> 00:04:12,360 S4: was whispering these things like, you are enough. You're beloved. 82 00:04:13,040 --> 00:04:16,240 S4: And I believed them in a different way than I 83 00:04:16,240 --> 00:04:18,760 S4: ever had before, because it was often tied to what 84 00:04:18,760 --> 00:04:22,000 S4: I did, my performance, my being a good mom, a 85 00:04:22,000 --> 00:04:24,760 S4: good wife, and I felt like everything had been stripped 86 00:04:24,760 --> 00:04:29,080 S4: away from me. And so I really sensed God's love 87 00:04:29,360 --> 00:04:31,400 S4: because he loved me. 88 00:04:32,120 --> 00:04:36,039 S5: The government of Iran are deceivers. They're liars. They even 89 00:04:36,040 --> 00:04:38,599 S5: if they sign any agreement, they're not going to follow 90 00:04:38,600 --> 00:04:41,920 S5: through with that. They they did that with with Obama. 91 00:04:41,960 --> 00:04:47,480 S5: They signed an agreement with Obama and received 150 billion, 92 00:04:47,520 --> 00:04:51,840 S5: which used to kill Americans, kill Iranians and do terrorism 93 00:04:51,839 --> 00:04:55,489 S5: around the world. So they're saying, hey, don't be deceived. Trump. 94 00:04:55,490 --> 00:04:59,210 S5: Even if they if they sign an agreement, they will 95 00:04:59,210 --> 00:05:01,690 S5: not do it. So let's not do it. And so 96 00:05:01,690 --> 00:05:04,370 S5: people of Iran right now are very nervous because of 97 00:05:04,370 --> 00:05:07,130 S5: this negotiation restarting. 98 00:05:07,690 --> 00:05:11,050 S6: How can we learn from their experiences so that the 99 00:05:11,050 --> 00:05:13,970 S6: next group that goes to that country, maybe they don't 100 00:05:13,970 --> 00:05:16,250 S6: get arrested until, you know, they've been there a couple 101 00:05:16,290 --> 00:05:19,529 S6: of weeks instead of getting arrested early on. How do 102 00:05:19,529 --> 00:05:22,930 S6: we learn from each other and encourage each other? It 103 00:05:22,970 --> 00:05:26,690 S6: is just it's so intentional and so structured and they 104 00:05:26,730 --> 00:05:30,690 S6: are so committed. I was absolutely blown away. And like 105 00:05:30,690 --> 00:05:34,850 S6: I say, I left that Starbucks thinking, wow, the future 106 00:05:34,850 --> 00:05:37,450 S6: is bright for the gospel. If we have young people 107 00:05:37,450 --> 00:05:40,770 S6: who are saying, I'm committed to share the gospel with 108 00:05:40,770 --> 00:05:44,610 S6: five people every day until I die, that's going to 109 00:05:44,610 --> 00:05:45,610 S6: change the world. 110 00:05:47,250 --> 00:05:49,690 S2: To hear the full interviews from any of those guests 111 00:05:49,730 --> 00:05:53,010 S2: go to In the Market with Janet Parshall And click 112 00:05:53,010 --> 00:05:56,010 S2: on past programs. Here are some other stories making headlines 113 00:05:56,010 --> 00:05:56,570 S2: this week. 114 00:05:57,370 --> 00:06:01,290 S7: The multibillion dollar fishing industry in Thailand is facing a 115 00:06:01,290 --> 00:06:05,210 S7: severe fuel crisis. A surge in diesel prices triggered by 116 00:06:05,210 --> 00:06:08,610 S7: the US Israeli war on Iran is pushing its fleet 117 00:06:08,610 --> 00:06:10,170 S7: towards a standstill. 118 00:06:10,210 --> 00:06:13,690 S8: Oil rose more than 4% on Thursday and jumped to 119 00:06:13,730 --> 00:06:15,890 S8: $106 a barrel. 120 00:06:15,930 --> 00:06:19,650 S9: Long lines snaked through major airports across the country on Wednesday, 121 00:06:19,810 --> 00:06:23,810 S9: as the TSA said more than 480 airport security officers 122 00:06:23,810 --> 00:06:24,529 S9: have quit. 123 00:06:25,690 --> 00:06:27,810 S2: Janet and Craig have lots to share, and they'll put 124 00:06:27,810 --> 00:06:30,330 S2: the first story on the table when we return. To 125 00:06:30,330 --> 00:06:32,930 S2: get more information or to download the podcast of any 126 00:06:32,930 --> 00:06:35,930 S2: of the interviews, go to In the Market with Janet Parshall. 127 00:06:53,690 --> 00:06:56,089 S1: The Bible calls us to stand for his truth that 128 00:06:56,089 --> 00:06:57,770 S1: we are in Christ and that we have a new 129 00:06:57,770 --> 00:07:00,170 S1: nature because of him. So why don't we live boldly? 130 00:07:00,290 --> 00:07:02,489 S1: That's why I've chosen call to take a bold stand 131 00:07:02,490 --> 00:07:05,170 S1: by pastor Jack Hibbs as this month's truth tool. Discover 132 00:07:05,170 --> 00:07:07,290 S1: how to stand firmly in your faith and make every 133 00:07:07,290 --> 00:07:09,929 S1: moment count for him. As for your copy of call 134 00:07:09,970 --> 00:07:11,650 S1: to take a bold stand when you give a gift 135 00:07:11,650 --> 00:07:15,010 S1: of any amount to in the market, call 877. Janet 58. 136 00:07:15,010 --> 00:07:18,130 S1: That's 877. Janet 58. Or go to in the market 137 00:07:18,130 --> 00:07:22,450 S1: with Janet dot o r g. Happy Friday to you 138 00:07:22,450 --> 00:07:24,810 S1: friends and the warmest of welcomes to in the market 139 00:07:24,810 --> 00:07:27,890 S1: with Janet Parshall. You already guessed that Mr. Craig partial 140 00:07:27,890 --> 00:07:30,090 S1: is with me. Yes, he's my husband, but I happen 141 00:07:30,090 --> 00:07:32,690 S1: to think he's a brilliant lawyer. Even more importantly, he 142 00:07:32,690 --> 00:07:35,530 S1: brilliantly knows how to dive deep into the Word of God. 143 00:07:35,530 --> 00:07:37,890 S1: So when we talk about walking through life with the 144 00:07:37,890 --> 00:07:40,130 S1: Bible in one hand and the newspaper in the other, 145 00:07:40,170 --> 00:07:43,050 S1: that fella is emblematic of doing just that. So we 146 00:07:43,050 --> 00:07:45,130 S1: take a look at the stories that are making headlines 147 00:07:45,130 --> 00:07:48,010 S1: in the marketplace of ideas, but we look at them differently. 148 00:07:48,010 --> 00:07:50,530 S1: We take out a pair of glasses that improve our vision. 149 00:07:50,530 --> 00:07:53,210 S1: When you have a biblical worldview. You see the world 150 00:07:53,210 --> 00:07:55,370 S1: around you in a markedly different way. I love to 151 00:07:55,410 --> 00:07:57,850 S1: say that it really is the equivalent of the old 152 00:07:57,850 --> 00:07:59,970 S1: Wizard of Oz, where you live in black and white 153 00:07:59,970 --> 00:08:03,090 S1: before Christ and Technicolor, after you come to faith in 154 00:08:03,090 --> 00:08:06,210 S1: Jesus Christ, everything changes. Your heart is transformed, your mind 155 00:08:06,250 --> 00:08:08,730 S1: is renewed, and you learn how to apply the whole 156 00:08:08,730 --> 00:08:11,570 S1: truth of the whole gospel to the whole world around you. 157 00:08:11,890 --> 00:08:14,530 S1: And that's how we grow up in him. That's applied Christianity. 158 00:08:14,530 --> 00:08:16,730 S1: If you want a technical term for it. So we. Amen. 159 00:08:16,730 --> 00:08:18,810 S1: On Sunday. Monday rolls around and we haven't a clue 160 00:08:18,810 --> 00:08:21,490 S1: of what pastor taught us on Sunday applies to the 161 00:08:21,490 --> 00:08:23,130 S1: rest of our life. And that's. What we want to do, 162 00:08:23,170 --> 00:08:26,050 S1: is bridge that gap. To understand that the straight stick 163 00:08:26,050 --> 00:08:28,810 S1: of truth not only gives us guidance to determine what 164 00:08:28,810 --> 00:08:31,130 S1: is true and what is false, but we hide His 165 00:08:31,130 --> 00:08:33,970 S1: word in our hearts so we might not sin against him. 166 00:08:33,970 --> 00:08:36,130 S1: We go round robin. I guarantee you, Craig and I 167 00:08:36,130 --> 00:08:37,850 S1: have more topics than we will have time, even though 168 00:08:37,850 --> 00:08:39,770 S1: we're going to do this as usual for two hours 169 00:08:39,770 --> 00:08:42,050 S1: on this Friday, we're going to start with oral arguments 170 00:08:42,050 --> 00:08:44,250 S1: heard before the High Court on Monday of this week. 171 00:08:44,290 --> 00:08:48,050 S1: A very interesting case. It's a case that comes out 172 00:08:48,050 --> 00:08:51,490 S1: of Mississippi, and it is a case where they allow 173 00:08:51,490 --> 00:08:55,530 S1: ballots that arrive up to five days after Election Day 174 00:08:55,530 --> 00:08:57,570 S1: to be counted. Now, why is that an issue? Well, 175 00:08:57,610 --> 00:09:01,370 S1: because cheating is part of the human condition. We've all sinned. 176 00:09:01,370 --> 00:09:03,490 S1: We've come short of the glory of God. And so 177 00:09:03,490 --> 00:09:07,210 S1: how do you keep fair elections? Fair? And so the 178 00:09:07,210 --> 00:09:09,610 S1: question on the table is, well, wait a minute. Anybody 179 00:09:09,610 --> 00:09:11,570 S1: could walk in with a ballot after the fact. They 180 00:09:11,570 --> 00:09:15,490 S1: could vote twice. These aren't necessarily counted correctly. And the 181 00:09:15,490 --> 00:09:18,370 S1: decision that the court will hand down will affect at 182 00:09:18,410 --> 00:09:22,770 S1: least 17 states and the District of Columbia, because these 183 00:09:22,770 --> 00:09:27,330 S1: are all areas that count ballots that arrive late, with 184 00:09:27,330 --> 00:09:30,410 S1: at least two of those states allowing ballots to be 185 00:09:30,410 --> 00:09:33,450 S1: counted up to two weeks after Election Day. Now, that's 186 00:09:33,450 --> 00:09:35,570 S1: hard to determine who the winner is. Again, it opens 187 00:09:35,570 --> 00:09:37,930 S1: the door for graft and corruption, and that's why I 188 00:09:37,929 --> 00:09:40,250 S1: think the High Court took this up, because we want 189 00:09:40,250 --> 00:09:43,290 S1: a level playing field. Voting is a privilege. It is 190 00:09:43,290 --> 00:09:45,610 S1: a right in this country. If you're a US citizen 191 00:09:45,890 --> 00:09:47,450 S1: and we want to make sure we keep them safe. 192 00:09:47,450 --> 00:09:48,650 S1: So I want you to. I'm going to take you 193 00:09:48,650 --> 00:09:50,050 S1: to the court. Come with me. We'll walk down the 194 00:09:50,050 --> 00:09:51,810 S1: street a little bit. I'll walk you inside the United 195 00:09:51,809 --> 00:09:55,010 S1: States Supreme Court. And here's what happened in chambers when 196 00:09:55,010 --> 00:09:58,810 S1: the court heard oral arguments. This is Paul Clement arguing 197 00:09:58,850 --> 00:10:02,530 S1: why what they do in Mississippi is wrong. Have a listen. 198 00:10:02,530 --> 00:10:05,530 S10: Mr. Chief Justice, and may it please the court all 199 00:10:05,570 --> 00:10:09,329 S10: agree that elections for federal office have to end on 200 00:10:09,330 --> 00:10:13,209 S10: the day of the election specified by Congress, and all 201 00:10:13,210 --> 00:10:16,689 S10: agree that you can't have an election unless you receive ballots, 202 00:10:16,690 --> 00:10:20,489 S10: and there must be some deadline for ballot receipt. Nonetheless, 203 00:10:20,490 --> 00:10:24,330 S10: Mississippi insists that ballots can trickle in days or even 204 00:10:24,330 --> 00:10:27,890 S10: weeks after Election Day. That position is wrong as a 205 00:10:27,890 --> 00:10:32,770 S10: matter of text precedent, history and common sense, Mississippi all 206 00:10:32,770 --> 00:10:36,970 S10: but concedes that the original public meaning of election included 207 00:10:36,970 --> 00:10:40,010 S10: both offering to vote and the receipt of that vote 208 00:10:40,010 --> 00:10:43,850 S10: or ballot by election officials. And, of course, the key 209 00:10:43,890 --> 00:10:48,290 S10: distinction between voting and an election is. An election involves 210 00:10:48,290 --> 00:10:51,810 S10: the combined action of voters and election officials, as this 211 00:10:51,809 --> 00:10:55,810 S10: court underscored in its decision against foster, against Love. And, 212 00:10:55,850 --> 00:10:59,530 S10: of course, Mississippi insists that at the time these statutes 213 00:10:59,530 --> 00:11:04,530 S10: were passed, ballot receipt and the the casting of the 214 00:11:04,530 --> 00:11:08,450 S10: ballot were so inextricably intertwined, no one would have thought 215 00:11:08,490 --> 00:11:11,130 S10: of one without the other. That seems to me to 216 00:11:11,130 --> 00:11:14,570 S10: be a damning admission, but it also ignores the advent 217 00:11:14,570 --> 00:11:18,050 S10: of field and proxy voting in the Civil War, and 218 00:11:18,050 --> 00:11:21,490 S10: the enormous efforts that states went to to ensure that 219 00:11:21,490 --> 00:11:24,730 S10: all of the ballots, whether by proxy or by field vote, 220 00:11:24,770 --> 00:11:27,890 S10: were received by Election Day in the states view, all 221 00:11:27,890 --> 00:11:33,290 S10: of those Herculean efforts were for naught or were entirely gratuitous. Now, 222 00:11:33,290 --> 00:11:35,730 S10: the state's position actually works even worse as a matter 223 00:11:35,730 --> 00:11:39,450 S10: of common sense. If somebody in Gulfport the day after 224 00:11:39,450 --> 00:11:43,530 S10: the election asks, is the election over? The common sense 225 00:11:43,530 --> 00:11:46,690 S10: answer is no, it's not. The ballots are still coming in. 226 00:11:46,929 --> 00:11:50,370 S10: And if somebody asks who won? The truthful answer is 227 00:11:50,410 --> 00:11:52,930 S10: we don't know yet. The ballots are still coming in, 228 00:11:52,929 --> 00:11:55,809 S10: and they may trickle in for weeks or months. And 229 00:11:55,809 --> 00:11:58,210 S10: in fact, they may trickle in for weeks or months, 230 00:11:58,210 --> 00:12:02,130 S10: with or without a postmark. In differing ways, in differing states, 231 00:12:02,450 --> 00:12:05,569 S10: that reality gives the lie to the idea that we 232 00:12:05,570 --> 00:12:08,010 S10: have a uniform National Election Day. 233 00:12:09,090 --> 00:12:10,850 S1: All right, so, Craig, I've got lots of audio I 234 00:12:10,850 --> 00:12:12,610 S1: want to share. But before I go any further, just 235 00:12:12,610 --> 00:12:15,730 S1: flesh this out, put it in common kitchen table parlance. 236 00:12:15,770 --> 00:12:17,970 S1: What exactly is Clement arguing and what does he think 237 00:12:17,970 --> 00:12:18,650 S1: the issue is? 238 00:12:18,690 --> 00:12:22,250 S11: Well, first of all, Mississippi is like about 17 other 239 00:12:22,250 --> 00:12:26,010 S11: states in the union. They've chosen to say, well, Election 240 00:12:26,010 --> 00:12:29,370 S11: Day isn't just a day, it's a process. So if 241 00:12:29,410 --> 00:12:32,610 S11: you mail it in, let's say the day before Election Day, 242 00:12:32,730 --> 00:12:35,040 S11: a lot of us, you know, mail takes 2 or 243 00:12:35,040 --> 00:12:37,690 S11: 3 days lands in a couple days later, well, we'll 244 00:12:37,690 --> 00:12:39,650 S11: give you plenty of time. We'll give you a grace period. 245 00:12:39,650 --> 00:12:44,250 S11: Some states give as much as a two week after election. 246 00:12:44,290 --> 00:12:48,290 S11: So-Called Election day to say, yeah, it's still a valid 247 00:12:48,570 --> 00:12:50,929 S11: mail in ballot. Now that's one of the problems with 248 00:12:50,970 --> 00:12:53,250 S11: mail in ballots, according to those who oppose it. I 249 00:12:53,250 --> 00:12:54,690 S11: think there are a lot of problems with it for 250 00:12:54,690 --> 00:12:58,570 S11: that reason, among others. But let's go to the rule book. 251 00:12:58,929 --> 00:13:02,810 S11: You either care about rules and where the the process 252 00:13:02,809 --> 00:13:05,490 S11: starts is with the Constitution and what it has to 253 00:13:05,490 --> 00:13:08,050 S11: say about elections and what state law says, or you 254 00:13:08,050 --> 00:13:10,490 S11: just make it up. Well, I think elections are too 255 00:13:10,490 --> 00:13:15,530 S11: important to make it up. So does Paul Clement and his, uh, 256 00:13:15,530 --> 00:13:18,410 S11: his objective. So here's the deal. The law is this 257 00:13:18,730 --> 00:13:23,090 S11: article one, section four of the Constitution says that states 258 00:13:23,090 --> 00:13:29,290 S11: can determine the time, place, and manner of elections for 259 00:13:29,290 --> 00:13:33,130 S11: senators and members of the House of Representatives. Federal elections, 260 00:13:33,130 --> 00:13:37,730 S11: that is, um, unless Congress decides that they're going to 261 00:13:37,730 --> 00:13:43,620 S11: do something. But if Congress does nothing. State rule rules. Well, 262 00:13:43,660 --> 00:13:48,220 S11: Congress did do something. Congress passed, uh, title two of 263 00:13:48,220 --> 00:13:54,179 S11: section uh, US code. Section seven that says what Election 264 00:13:54,179 --> 00:14:00,540 S11: Day is, and they specifically sell, say out, uh, spell out, uh, 265 00:14:00,700 --> 00:14:05,380 S11: make it very clear. Elect the day of election. Is 266 00:14:05,580 --> 00:14:09,460 S11: this part of the calendar? Well, it really ought to 267 00:14:09,460 --> 00:14:12,660 S11: be a no brainer. If Congress has spoken. Then the 268 00:14:12,660 --> 00:14:16,580 S11: Constitution says what Congress says is rule and not what 269 00:14:16,580 --> 00:14:20,060 S11: the state says is ruled. But here's the argument. Well, 270 00:14:20,060 --> 00:14:23,060 S11: what does day mean? So. 271 00:14:23,420 --> 00:14:25,620 S1: Like, what is a woman? Okay, what is a woman? 272 00:14:25,660 --> 00:14:26,020 S1: Here we go. 273 00:14:26,420 --> 00:14:29,180 S11: Is it daylight or is it nighttime? You know, so 274 00:14:29,220 --> 00:14:33,020 S11: in other words, let's obscure the word day. Day of 275 00:14:33,020 --> 00:14:36,460 S11: election and try to stretch the word. Well, day could 276 00:14:36,460 --> 00:14:38,700 S11: be a process of a couple of days. Or what 277 00:14:38,780 --> 00:14:41,860 S11: does it really mean? We don't know. So therefore anything goes. 278 00:14:41,860 --> 00:14:44,540 S11: So that's the other argument. I think it's a poor argument. 279 00:14:44,540 --> 00:14:46,540 S11: And a number of justices thought so too. 280 00:14:46,580 --> 00:14:49,940 S1: So here's Justice Sotomayor questioning Paul Clement. Have a listen. 281 00:14:50,220 --> 00:14:55,220 S12: You believe that absentee voting by the military and overseas voters, 282 00:14:55,220 --> 00:14:59,260 S12: the various laws that federal laws under which states have 283 00:14:59,260 --> 00:15:04,180 S12: proceeded with respect to those votes are illegal or or 284 00:15:04,300 --> 00:15:07,300 S12: they're not saying what everybody has understood them to say 285 00:15:07,300 --> 00:15:13,460 S12: that states can accept absentee ballots after the election. So 286 00:15:13,500 --> 00:15:15,220 S12: military and overseas ballots. 287 00:15:15,500 --> 00:15:17,900 S10: I don't think any vote is unlawful. Let me let 288 00:15:17,900 --> 00:15:20,420 S10: me try to address how I think you would reconcile 289 00:15:20,660 --> 00:15:24,660 S10: Uocava with the Election Day statutes. And to start, I 290 00:15:24,660 --> 00:15:28,220 S10: think it's important to recognize that Uocava is not limited 291 00:15:28,220 --> 00:15:32,620 S10: to the federal general election. So Uocava applies to primary elections, 292 00:15:32,620 --> 00:15:36,580 S10: to runoff elections and special elections and federal general elections. 293 00:15:36,580 --> 00:15:40,620 S10: The Election Day statutes only apply to the general federal election. 294 00:15:40,620 --> 00:15:42,780 S10: So the way I would reconcile the two is to 295 00:15:42,820 --> 00:15:46,220 S10: say that all the references in Uocava to state deadlines 296 00:15:46,220 --> 00:15:49,940 S10: are perfectly fine, not preempted at all, not displaced at all, 297 00:15:49,940 --> 00:15:53,860 S10: not even anomalous with respect to the primaries, the runoffs 298 00:15:53,860 --> 00:15:56,580 S10: and special elections. Then the court has a job to 299 00:15:56,620 --> 00:16:00,300 S10: do in the federal general election as to say like, 300 00:16:00,340 --> 00:16:02,580 S10: kind of, which is the specific which is the general. 301 00:16:02,580 --> 00:16:04,660 S10: I think the more logical way to do it would 302 00:16:04,660 --> 00:16:07,660 S10: be to say that with the understanding in this court, 303 00:16:07,660 --> 00:16:10,740 S10: if you decide in our favor that for the federal 304 00:16:10,740 --> 00:16:14,180 S10: general election, the ballots have to be in by Election Day. 305 00:16:14,500 --> 00:16:17,780 S12: I would say we should have another president now, because 306 00:16:17,820 --> 00:16:21,860 S12: wasn't it in Florida that they were counting military votes 307 00:16:21,860 --> 00:16:22,820 S12: after receipt? 308 00:16:23,100 --> 00:16:25,260 S10: So with all due respect, that is the reddest of 309 00:16:25,260 --> 00:16:28,420 S10: red herrings, because what happened in the 2000 election in 310 00:16:28,420 --> 00:16:32,260 S10: Florida is that pursuant to a consent decree that was 311 00:16:32,260 --> 00:16:36,740 S10: entered by a federal court because Florida was violating the 312 00:16:36,740 --> 00:16:39,580 S10: principal provision of Uocava, which says you have to give 313 00:16:39,580 --> 00:16:43,820 S10: the absentee ballots to the overseas voters 45 days in 314 00:16:43,820 --> 00:16:46,860 S10: advance because Florida was violating that. There had to be 315 00:16:46,860 --> 00:16:50,100 S10: a consent decree to create a remedy that was not provided. 316 00:16:50,140 --> 00:16:53,060 S12: What happened was that the judge made up the deadline, 317 00:16:53,060 --> 00:16:54,020 S12: not the state. 318 00:16:55,260 --> 00:16:57,020 S1: All right. We're going to address that. You hear the 319 00:16:57,020 --> 00:16:58,460 S1: music in the background. And by the way, when you 320 00:16:58,460 --> 00:17:01,660 S1: hear words like uocava, what lawyers love to do and 321 00:17:01,660 --> 00:17:04,379 S1: judges also is you talk about the law by citing 322 00:17:04,420 --> 00:17:07,740 S1: other laws. So that was a another law, another case, 323 00:17:07,740 --> 00:17:10,460 S1: by the way, that dealt with voting procedures. So that's 324 00:17:10,460 --> 00:17:12,100 S1: if you wondering, well, what was that in the midst 325 00:17:12,140 --> 00:17:15,100 S1: they were referencing back to a different, uh, case that 326 00:17:15,100 --> 00:17:16,859 S1: had a different kind of an outcome. So when we 327 00:17:16,900 --> 00:17:19,220 S1: come back, Craig, I'd like you to take a look 328 00:17:19,260 --> 00:17:23,420 S1: at the questions posited by Justice Sotomayor. And again, this 329 00:17:23,420 --> 00:17:25,420 S1: really is about a question of fairness and whether or 330 00:17:25,420 --> 00:17:27,899 S1: not you get it in by Election Day means you 331 00:17:27,940 --> 00:17:32,020 S1: get it in by Election Day, as opposed to when 332 00:17:32,020 --> 00:17:33,340 S1: you feel like it. We're going to take a break 333 00:17:33,340 --> 00:17:50,100 S1: and be right back. We're discussing a case that the 334 00:17:50,100 --> 00:17:52,820 S1: High Court heard on Monday that deals with the question 335 00:17:52,859 --> 00:17:56,660 S1: of voting again, trying to keep this as fair as possible. 336 00:17:57,020 --> 00:18:00,100 S1: And so Mississippi is one of at least 17 states 337 00:18:00,100 --> 00:18:02,620 S1: plus the District of Columbia. That really doesn't mean that 338 00:18:02,619 --> 00:18:06,139 S1: Election Day means a day it can trickle in a 339 00:18:06,180 --> 00:18:09,020 S1: few days after up to two weeks in some states. 340 00:18:09,260 --> 00:18:11,740 S1: And that's when some graft and corruption can come in. 341 00:18:11,740 --> 00:18:14,140 S1: So this is really about understanding what a word means. 342 00:18:14,140 --> 00:18:16,460 S1: And as Craig pointed out before, this is a town 343 00:18:16,460 --> 00:18:19,219 S1: that can't define what the word woman is. So now 344 00:18:19,220 --> 00:18:22,140 S1: we're struggling with what the word day means. Or you 345 00:18:22,140 --> 00:18:25,500 S1: can't decide what sex means in title nine. So, you know, 346 00:18:25,780 --> 00:18:28,139 S1: they try to hang their question on the horns of 347 00:18:28,140 --> 00:18:30,379 S1: a dilemma when they think there isn't a lot of 348 00:18:30,380 --> 00:18:32,460 S1: wiggle room. And this is exactly one of those kinds 349 00:18:32,460 --> 00:18:34,900 S1: of cases. So I've got another clip I want to play, Craig, 350 00:18:34,900 --> 00:18:36,739 S1: but I'd love for you to break down. Where was 351 00:18:36,740 --> 00:18:39,140 S1: Sotomayor going with that line of questioning to Clement? 352 00:18:39,300 --> 00:18:42,060 S11: What she was saying saying is, well, wait a minute. Now, 353 00:18:42,060 --> 00:18:44,940 S11: there was a Republican president by the name of Bush, 354 00:18:45,100 --> 00:18:45,860 S11: didn't name him. 355 00:18:45,980 --> 00:18:46,500 S1: Hanging Chad. 356 00:18:46,619 --> 00:18:50,580 S11: But she picked a Republican president who. And you'll all 357 00:18:50,619 --> 00:18:54,500 S11: remember the hanging Chad case because of the ineptness of 358 00:18:54,500 --> 00:18:58,660 S11: some of the, um, electoral counters down there in Florida 359 00:18:58,660 --> 00:19:01,899 S11: and the difficulty and the problems in the process. Uh, 360 00:19:01,900 --> 00:19:05,700 S11: and she said, oh, so there they were counting after 361 00:19:05,740 --> 00:19:09,940 S11: the election. Uh, and, uh, so election day didn't really 362 00:19:09,940 --> 00:19:13,340 S11: mean election day down there. Well, first of all, counting 363 00:19:13,740 --> 00:19:18,500 S11: election ballots is different than voting than getting it after 364 00:19:18,500 --> 00:19:21,420 S11: Election Day and then begin to in other words, it 365 00:19:21,420 --> 00:19:24,420 S11: may take a week, let's say, to count all the ballots. 366 00:19:24,460 --> 00:19:27,220 S11: All right, let's let's say that. So if you're going 367 00:19:27,260 --> 00:19:29,780 S11: to do that for a week, then just let them 368 00:19:29,780 --> 00:19:33,100 S11: float in, you know, five days, six days later. Well, 369 00:19:33,100 --> 00:19:37,820 S11: the problem is that complicates a process and creates an 370 00:19:37,820 --> 00:19:41,660 S11: avenue of potential fraud. The Supreme Court, in a case 371 00:19:41,660 --> 00:19:43,459 S11: that's not cited very much, I think it came out 372 00:19:43,460 --> 00:19:46,540 S11: of Chicago a couple decades ago, had a little note 373 00:19:46,540 --> 00:19:49,260 S11: in it, and the Supreme Court opinion said there's always 374 00:19:49,260 --> 00:19:52,379 S11: fraud in every election. The the question is, does it 375 00:19:52,380 --> 00:19:53,060 S11: make a difference? 376 00:19:53,100 --> 00:19:56,500 S1: Exactly. Well, I thought Clement's response was brilliant. That's the 377 00:19:56,500 --> 00:19:59,580 S1: reddest of red herrings. That was a completely different circumstance. 378 00:19:59,619 --> 00:20:02,980 S11: And not even apples and oranges, apples and skyscrapers, 100%. 379 00:20:03,020 --> 00:20:06,020 S1: So Justice Alito had a question or two for Paul Clement. 380 00:20:06,020 --> 00:20:07,020 S1: It sounded like this. 381 00:20:07,340 --> 00:20:12,660 S13: We have lots of phrases that involve two words, the 382 00:20:12,660 --> 00:20:16,379 S13: last of which, the second of which is day, Labor Day, 383 00:20:16,420 --> 00:20:23,460 S13: Memorial Day, George Washington's birthday, Independence Day, uh, birthday and 384 00:20:23,460 --> 00:20:29,100 S13: Election Day. And they're all particular days. So if we 385 00:20:29,100 --> 00:20:31,740 S13: start with that? If I have nothing more to look 386 00:20:31,740 --> 00:20:36,220 S13: at than the phrase Election Day. I think this is 387 00:20:36,220 --> 00:20:38,940 S13: the day in which everything is going to take place 388 00:20:39,300 --> 00:20:42,820 S13: and or almost everything. And then we have three points 389 00:20:42,820 --> 00:20:49,540 S13: in time. Uh, 1844, 1872, 1914. And we can ask, 390 00:20:49,540 --> 00:20:52,340 S13: what would people have thought on those days is meant 391 00:20:52,340 --> 00:20:55,460 S13: by this phrase election day? Which, which of those should 392 00:20:55,460 --> 00:20:58,540 S13: we choose? Which of those dates should we choose? 393 00:20:59,060 --> 00:21:02,340 S10: Well, I think you could choose any of the three. 394 00:21:02,380 --> 00:21:04,739 S10: I mean, honestly, I think the single best one, if 395 00:21:04,740 --> 00:21:07,379 S10: you're just going to choose one, is 1872. And the 396 00:21:07,380 --> 00:21:10,780 S10: reason I say that is because 1914 is the latest 397 00:21:10,780 --> 00:21:13,060 S10: in time, but that's the one that Congress gave the 398 00:21:13,060 --> 00:21:13,980 S10: least thought to. 399 00:21:14,980 --> 00:21:18,540 S1: All right. So in a nutshell, Craig, um, this is 400 00:21:18,540 --> 00:21:20,899 S1: going to be a question. Does day mean day? Now, again, 401 00:21:20,900 --> 00:21:22,699 S1: we talk about this all the time. You have to 402 00:21:22,700 --> 00:21:25,980 S1: be very, very careful about reading tea leaves with justices. 403 00:21:25,980 --> 00:21:27,860 S1: It isn't over until it's over. But this is going 404 00:21:27,900 --> 00:21:30,140 S1: to be one of those cases where it will come 405 00:21:30,140 --> 00:21:32,500 S1: down toward the end of the term. This is also 406 00:21:32,500 --> 00:21:35,500 S1: a case that will impact procedure for the midterm elections 407 00:21:35,500 --> 00:21:37,060 S1: for this year. So you can imagine that all the 408 00:21:37,060 --> 00:21:39,500 S1: politicos are just hanging over the side of the fence, 409 00:21:39,540 --> 00:21:42,219 S1: waiting to see what will come down. If they are 410 00:21:42,340 --> 00:21:45,180 S1: and you just take the line of questioning in heard 411 00:21:45,180 --> 00:21:49,060 S1: in oral arguments on Monday, the overwhelming majority of the 412 00:21:49,060 --> 00:21:52,060 S1: court seemed to be very skeptical of state laws that 413 00:21:52,060 --> 00:21:55,860 S1: allow the counting of late arriving mail ballots. And they 414 00:21:55,859 --> 00:21:58,500 S1: should be, because I love the clarity of thought for 415 00:21:58,500 --> 00:22:00,820 S1: Justice Alito. He always just does the plain talk and 416 00:22:00,820 --> 00:22:05,020 S1: tells us the plain thing. Day means day, Washington's birthday. Right? 417 00:22:05,140 --> 00:22:08,580 S11: So so if you're looking to what the word means 418 00:22:08,580 --> 00:22:11,780 S11: as a starting point, right? I think he, he made 419 00:22:11,780 --> 00:22:13,180 S11: the point and we all get it. 420 00:22:13,220 --> 00:22:15,820 S1: But not only that. I mean, if, you know, for example, 421 00:22:15,820 --> 00:22:19,859 S1: we've got this very contentious, uh, amendment proposal that's happening 422 00:22:19,859 --> 00:22:21,660 S1: in the state of Virginia right now. It's bringing in 423 00:22:21,660 --> 00:22:24,419 S1: outside money. People are getting phone calls from California to 424 00:22:24,460 --> 00:22:26,900 S1: vote a particular way. Wait, you don't even live in California? 425 00:22:26,940 --> 00:22:27,659 S1: Why are you trying to. 426 00:22:27,660 --> 00:22:28,380 S11: Get behind that? 427 00:22:28,420 --> 00:22:30,100 S1: Yeah. Money, right? 428 00:22:30,140 --> 00:22:31,380 S11: Greed and politics. 429 00:22:31,780 --> 00:22:36,060 S1: Politics. Exactly. So if you know my point in making that, 430 00:22:36,100 --> 00:22:39,100 S1: raising that issue is that early voting has already started. 431 00:22:39,300 --> 00:22:42,420 S1: So really and truly, you are without excuse because whether 432 00:22:42,420 --> 00:22:44,899 S1: you're military or whether you're going to be traveling, there's 433 00:22:44,900 --> 00:22:48,020 S1: always the opportunity to start voting early. But how long 434 00:22:48,060 --> 00:22:50,140 S1: do you get to extend after the fact? So it's 435 00:22:50,140 --> 00:22:51,540 S1: a pretty clear cut and dry issue. 436 00:22:51,580 --> 00:22:53,859 S11: Yeah. And if you have a problem, let's say you go, oh, 437 00:22:53,900 --> 00:22:56,940 S11: our mail service is so slow. Well then you better 438 00:22:56,940 --> 00:23:00,340 S11: put your mail in ballot well in advance, you know. 439 00:23:00,619 --> 00:23:04,379 S11: Upon whose shoulder should the burden rest? Should the burden 440 00:23:04,380 --> 00:23:07,540 S11: rest on the citizen to get that vote in, in 441 00:23:07,540 --> 00:23:10,940 S11: a timely way? If you, you know, if you insist 442 00:23:10,940 --> 00:23:13,700 S11: on mailing it rather than showing up, you and I 443 00:23:13,700 --> 00:23:16,459 S11: are of one opinion on whether you show up or not. 444 00:23:16,500 --> 00:23:17,699 S11: We show up. 445 00:23:17,740 --> 00:23:19,619 S1: Well, can I linger on that point? I take the 446 00:23:19,619 --> 00:23:21,580 S1: same approach as I do to in my food. I 447 00:23:21,580 --> 00:23:23,660 S1: want to shorten the distance between the field and my 448 00:23:23,660 --> 00:23:26,510 S1: kitchen table. Right? Because less problems can happen and less 449 00:23:26,550 --> 00:23:29,189 S1: additives can be added. I take the same philosophy, and 450 00:23:29,190 --> 00:23:31,870 S1: I understand that there are circumstances where people might not 451 00:23:31,869 --> 00:23:33,629 S1: be able to vote on Election Day, but for you 452 00:23:33,630 --> 00:23:36,430 S1: and me, and we've had weeks to vote on this 453 00:23:36,430 --> 00:23:39,550 S1: very contentious issue in Virginia. We are going to vote 454 00:23:39,550 --> 00:23:42,710 S1: on Election Day because I'm shortening the distance between my 455 00:23:42,710 --> 00:23:44,630 S1: pen and the box that counts it. 456 00:23:44,670 --> 00:23:48,710 S11: And even if you take the idea of fraud away, 457 00:23:48,869 --> 00:23:51,430 S11: and by the way, reminding your audience that the Supreme 458 00:23:51,430 --> 00:23:56,190 S11: Court did mention the the realistic fact is that fraud 459 00:23:56,190 --> 00:23:59,230 S11: does occur, but very rarely does it make a difference, 460 00:23:59,230 --> 00:24:03,350 S11: although in some cases close elections it does. So if 461 00:24:03,350 --> 00:24:06,390 S11: you're going to eliminate the potential for either fraud or 462 00:24:06,430 --> 00:24:10,669 S11: simply mistakes in the Postal Service or stuff inadvertently getting 463 00:24:10,670 --> 00:24:14,310 S11: lost in the mail, then, you know, let's just put 464 00:24:14,310 --> 00:24:16,790 S11: a stake in the ground and say, Election Day means 465 00:24:16,790 --> 00:24:19,630 S11: Election Day. The burden is on you, citizen, to make 466 00:24:19,630 --> 00:24:21,469 S11: sure you get it in. By the way, if you 467 00:24:21,470 --> 00:24:23,630 S11: get your bill in the mail and you send, you 468 00:24:23,630 --> 00:24:26,630 S11: send your money in, but you do it too late. 469 00:24:26,670 --> 00:24:27,870 S11: You're going to get penalized. 470 00:24:28,190 --> 00:24:30,709 S1: Exactly. All right. That's one topic. 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Without it, we stumble 480 00:25:01,550 --> 00:25:04,190 S1: and fall in the market with Janet, partial is designed 481 00:25:04,190 --> 00:25:05,709 S1: to help you look at the headlines of the day 482 00:25:05,710 --> 00:25:08,389 S1: through the lens of Scripture. When you become a partial partner, 483 00:25:08,390 --> 00:25:10,909 S1: you help to make this broadcast possible, and as a 484 00:25:10,910 --> 00:25:13,950 S1: partial partner, you'll receive exclusive benefits. So why not become 485 00:25:13,950 --> 00:25:17,630 S1: a partial partner today? Call 877 Janet 58 or go 486 00:25:17,630 --> 00:25:20,470 S1: to in the market with Janet. Partial dot o r g. 487 00:25:22,790 --> 00:25:25,350 S1: So in keeping with the law this time we're going 488 00:25:25,350 --> 00:25:28,310 S1: to go overseas. You will remember that it was actually 489 00:25:28,310 --> 00:25:30,150 S1: on a Friday program where Craig and I shared with 490 00:25:30,150 --> 00:25:32,230 S1: you some audio from a hearing that was held on 491 00:25:32,230 --> 00:25:36,670 S1: the House side, dealing with censorship in the European Union 492 00:25:36,670 --> 00:25:40,230 S1: and in the UK. It was chaired by Congressman Jim Jordan. 493 00:25:40,550 --> 00:25:43,230 S1: And there were three witnesses. One was a member of 494 00:25:43,230 --> 00:25:45,990 S1: the ACLU. And sadly, he did a very poor job 495 00:25:45,990 --> 00:25:48,990 S1: of trying to defend his position. And then there were 496 00:25:48,990 --> 00:25:52,869 S1: three witnesses. One was a European representative of Alliance Defending Freedom. 497 00:25:52,869 --> 00:25:56,389 S1: One was an Irish comedian who paid a hefty price 498 00:25:56,390 --> 00:25:59,550 S1: for some comments he made. And then the other was 499 00:25:59,550 --> 00:26:04,470 S1: a Finnish member of Parliament, Parvaneh Raisanen. And she said 500 00:26:04,470 --> 00:26:06,390 S1: during the course of that hearing and we aired it 501 00:26:06,390 --> 00:26:08,550 S1: here so that you could hear it, that their goal 502 00:26:08,550 --> 00:26:11,790 S1: was to shut down her speech regarding what the Bible 503 00:26:11,790 --> 00:26:14,430 S1: says about human sexuality and to make sure. And she 504 00:26:14,430 --> 00:26:18,470 S1: lifted it up a pamphlet that was printed a dozen 505 00:26:18,470 --> 00:26:22,270 S1: years ago, if not longer, talking about human sexuality from 506 00:26:22,270 --> 00:26:24,310 S1: God's Word. Now she happens to be married to a pastor, 507 00:26:24,310 --> 00:26:26,469 S1: but she also happens to be a member of the 508 00:26:26,470 --> 00:26:30,510 S1: parliament in Finland. Well, this week, in a stunning decision, 509 00:26:30,510 --> 00:26:34,630 S1: Finland's Supreme Court voted 3 to 2 to convict a 510 00:26:34,630 --> 00:26:39,150 S1: bishop and her for publishing a pamphlet explaining Christian theology 511 00:26:39,150 --> 00:26:44,310 S1: about sexual differences. The decision could tacitly ban orthodox Christianity 512 00:26:44,310 --> 00:26:47,629 S1: in Finland by banning Christians from speaking about what the 513 00:26:47,630 --> 00:26:52,270 S1: Bible clearly says. Bishop Johanna Paavola and Member of Parliament 514 00:26:52,270 --> 00:26:56,790 S1: Parvaneh Raisanen faced thousands of euros in fines and their 515 00:26:56,790 --> 00:27:03,030 S1: challenged Christian speech, quote, removed from public access and destroyed 516 00:27:03,030 --> 00:27:06,830 S1: the original book burners. Right. The court ordered this unless 517 00:27:06,830 --> 00:27:09,869 S1: they successfully appealed to the European Court of Human Rights. 518 00:27:10,030 --> 00:27:12,230 S1: And if they appeal, the case could affect speech and 519 00:27:12,230 --> 00:27:14,750 S1: conscience rights worldwide, not here in the United States. Thank 520 00:27:14,790 --> 00:27:16,750 S1: you Lord, another reason why I'm glad the United States 521 00:27:16,750 --> 00:27:20,590 S1: doesn't participate in these global entities, whether it's the European 522 00:27:20,590 --> 00:27:23,030 S1: Court of Human Rights or the International Criminal Court or 523 00:27:23,030 --> 00:27:26,310 S1: any of these other conglomerates. I'm glad we have our 524 00:27:26,310 --> 00:27:29,670 S1: own core set of principles and our own American jurisprudence, 525 00:27:29,670 --> 00:27:33,350 S1: because it protects us. I'm not interested in following suit 526 00:27:33,390 --> 00:27:38,430 S1: on the European continent under any stretch of imagination. So Raisanen, 527 00:27:38,430 --> 00:27:41,270 S1: after this decision came down, said, and I quote her, 528 00:27:41,310 --> 00:27:44,190 S1: I'm shocked and profoundly disappointed that the court has failed 529 00:27:44,190 --> 00:27:48,230 S1: to recognize my basic human right to freedom of expression. 530 00:27:48,510 --> 00:27:51,270 S1: I stand by the teachings of my Christian faith and 531 00:27:51,270 --> 00:27:54,590 S1: will continue to defend my and every person's right to 532 00:27:54,630 --> 00:27:58,869 S1: share their convictions in the public square. Now, this, by 533 00:27:58,869 --> 00:28:00,590 S1: the way, is the ruling happens to be the latest 534 00:28:00,590 --> 00:28:03,390 S1: in what is clearly a growing pattern. We'll share some 535 00:28:03,390 --> 00:28:07,350 S1: of that with you. In formerly Christian European countries, England 536 00:28:07,350 --> 00:28:10,150 S1: now jails more people per day for alleged speech crimes 537 00:28:10,150 --> 00:28:14,790 S1: than Vladimir Putin's Russia. That, according to a former U.S. ambassador, 538 00:28:14,830 --> 00:28:19,750 S1: even imprisoning and prosecuting people for praying silently on public property. 539 00:28:19,750 --> 00:28:21,750 S1: I've seen video where the cops have come and just 540 00:28:21,750 --> 00:28:24,629 S1: literally haul people away with their head bowed quietly, praying, 541 00:28:24,630 --> 00:28:27,270 S1: not uttering a word. And the ludicrous nature to say 542 00:28:27,270 --> 00:28:31,230 S1: that you are praying somehow becomes a problem. But then again, 543 00:28:31,470 --> 00:28:33,350 S1: there were people burned at the stake in the UK. 544 00:28:33,390 --> 00:28:35,910 S1: So I guess I get this. So last year, by 545 00:28:35,910 --> 00:28:39,470 S1: the way, British authorities arrested this Irish comedian who came 546 00:28:39,470 --> 00:28:43,190 S1: to testify on Capitol Hill. His name was Graham Linehan. Uh, 547 00:28:43,190 --> 00:28:48,350 S1: he was criticizing transgender policies. And, uh, Glasgow, Scotland, is 548 00:28:48,350 --> 00:28:51,470 S1: now prosecuting a grandmother for offering to talk with people 549 00:28:51,470 --> 00:28:54,430 S1: outside a hospital. Sweden is prosecuting a family for, quote, 550 00:28:54,470 --> 00:29:00,550 S1: religious extremism, for wait for this. Attending church regularly and 551 00:29:00,550 --> 00:29:03,070 S1: not allowing their teen to own a cell phone. The 552 00:29:03,070 --> 00:29:06,990 S1: very nerve. So new internet censorship laws in Europe also 553 00:29:06,990 --> 00:29:10,670 S1: effectively criminalize and ban Christian speech and any speech opposing 554 00:29:10,710 --> 00:29:14,710 S1: identity politics. Uh, last year, by the way, the European Union, 555 00:29:14,750 --> 00:29:17,910 S1: of which Finland is a member, implemented a Digital Services act. 556 00:29:17,910 --> 00:29:19,990 S1: We talked about this when I aired the audio from 557 00:29:19,990 --> 00:29:22,750 S1: the hearing with Jim Jordan. It's called the DSA that 558 00:29:22,750 --> 00:29:25,870 S1: imposes a vast web of internet censorship, potentially across the 559 00:29:25,870 --> 00:29:29,390 S1: entire world by regulating social media platforms. The act could 560 00:29:29,390 --> 00:29:32,950 S1: subject Europeans to even more fines, raids and imprisonment for 561 00:29:32,950 --> 00:29:37,030 S1: posts that observe men and women are different. Craig. Boy, 562 00:29:37,030 --> 00:29:38,630 S1: who would have thought? I mean, we are in a 563 00:29:38,630 --> 00:29:41,430 S1: very strange and quite frankly dangerous place. And I'm not 564 00:29:41,470 --> 00:29:44,910 S1: I'm not fearful at all because, you know, I posted 565 00:29:44,910 --> 00:29:47,229 S1: yesterday on my X platform because the voice of the 566 00:29:47,230 --> 00:29:49,870 S1: martyrs reminded us that a 19 year old named Hugh 567 00:29:49,910 --> 00:29:53,350 S1: Latimer was burned at the stake at the stake because 568 00:29:53,350 --> 00:29:56,270 S1: he would not recant his Christianity. Queen Mary, known as 569 00:29:56,270 --> 00:29:59,229 S1: Bloody Mary, was burning people at the state saying only 570 00:29:59,230 --> 00:30:01,870 S1: the priests could read the Bible, only the priests could 571 00:30:01,870 --> 00:30:04,230 S1: hold mass, and Hugh Latimer and many others said, no, 572 00:30:04,630 --> 00:30:07,190 S1: this is God's Word and it's available to us. And 573 00:30:07,190 --> 00:30:09,270 S1: he was told to recant. He didn't, and he was 574 00:30:09,270 --> 00:30:12,270 S1: burned at the stake. So, um, you know, what can 575 00:30:12,310 --> 00:30:14,910 S1: man do to me, right? What is man? Uh, I mean, 576 00:30:14,910 --> 00:30:16,709 S1: we we shouldn't be fearful about what man can do 577 00:30:16,710 --> 00:30:19,070 S1: to us by any stretch of the imagination. But she's 578 00:30:19,110 --> 00:30:22,950 S1: absolutely right. Um, when she says that this is really 579 00:30:22,950 --> 00:30:25,790 S1: about taking away her freedom of expression finds. So if 580 00:30:25,790 --> 00:30:28,150 S1: you don't march in lockstep now in Finland, you can 581 00:30:28,150 --> 00:30:30,070 S1: pay a price, you could go to jail, you can 582 00:30:30,070 --> 00:30:34,030 S1: absolutely be publicly burned at the stake. Not not literally, 583 00:30:34,030 --> 00:30:35,710 S1: but figuratively. Now your thoughts? 584 00:30:35,750 --> 00:30:41,310 S11: Yeah. Two thoughts. One, a specific one and the other 585 00:30:41,310 --> 00:30:45,230 S11: one a general response on the specific. This is why 586 00:30:45,270 --> 00:30:49,270 S11: a lot of us, as attorneys and public advocates had 587 00:30:49,270 --> 00:30:53,030 S11: opposed or at least concerned with Congress a number of 588 00:30:53,030 --> 00:30:57,470 S11: years ago when they started debating a hate crime law 589 00:30:57,710 --> 00:31:00,750 S11: as opposed to hate speech law. And the reason is 590 00:31:00,750 --> 00:31:08,150 S11: because hate crime laws inevitably migrate into hate speech law. 591 00:31:08,470 --> 00:31:14,190 S11: And the way our hate crime law, uh, was phrased, 592 00:31:14,390 --> 00:31:17,390 S11: it opened the door for that. I was involved very 593 00:31:17,390 --> 00:31:19,670 S11: much on Capitol Hill with this. A number of other 594 00:31:19,670 --> 00:31:24,590 S11: organizations and groups were involved at the time, and we 595 00:31:24,830 --> 00:31:28,590 S11: let our concerns be known. Some of the language was 596 00:31:28,590 --> 00:31:32,470 S11: changed and a protection for religious liberty was added as 597 00:31:32,470 --> 00:31:36,990 S11: a result of that. But only until then did we 598 00:31:36,990 --> 00:31:41,590 S11: feel like there was at least a guardrail for it. 599 00:31:41,630 --> 00:31:45,950 S11: Migrating toward speech because it was heading that way. Every 600 00:31:46,430 --> 00:31:53,510 S11: country that I've seen that has, uh, instituted broad hate 601 00:31:53,550 --> 00:31:58,470 S11: laws end up suppressing speech. And that's why it's so important. Now, 602 00:31:58,470 --> 00:32:00,670 S11: let me go to the big point. And that is 603 00:32:00,670 --> 00:32:04,270 S11: not just hate crime laws and hate speech laws, but 604 00:32:04,470 --> 00:32:08,950 S11: the kind of rights and freedoms that are protected on 605 00:32:09,110 --> 00:32:12,400 S11: the big scale. The United States has a First Amendment. 606 00:32:12,880 --> 00:32:15,840 S11: By the way, I've seen a few other countries begin 607 00:32:15,840 --> 00:32:19,240 S11: to catch on to the fact that, gee, after 250 years, 608 00:32:19,280 --> 00:32:21,640 S11: I guess we've got something good going on here in 609 00:32:21,640 --> 00:32:25,720 S11: terms of freedom of speech, freedom of religion, freedom of assembly, 610 00:32:25,960 --> 00:32:29,920 S11: access to government and so forth, all embodied in that 611 00:32:29,920 --> 00:32:34,520 S11: First Amendment protection. So without it, the UK, who used 612 00:32:34,520 --> 00:32:37,040 S11: to be a harbinger or they used to be a 613 00:32:38,200 --> 00:32:43,760 S11: an epitome of the idea of Western civilized law has 614 00:32:43,760 --> 00:32:47,200 S11: now gone down the chutes in terms of not protecting 615 00:32:47,200 --> 00:32:53,680 S11: basic freedom of speech, particularly in religious matters. So thank you, God, 616 00:32:53,680 --> 00:32:59,040 S11: for the providence behind the front. The founding fathers and 617 00:32:59,040 --> 00:33:04,000 S11: their recognition that government needs to be checked. Its power 618 00:33:04,040 --> 00:33:06,840 S11: needs to be checked when it comes to infringing certain 619 00:33:06,840 --> 00:33:11,480 S11: fundamental rights. Our Declaration of Independence hinted at that very strongly. 620 00:33:11,480 --> 00:33:16,400 S11: In fact, more than a hint it talked about, um, the, the, the, 621 00:33:16,600 --> 00:33:19,880 S11: the fundamental rights, the rights of liberty that are not 622 00:33:19,880 --> 00:33:22,440 S11: given to us by government with the permission of government, 623 00:33:22,440 --> 00:33:25,360 S11: are given us by God. And government's role is to 624 00:33:25,440 --> 00:33:29,560 S11: protect those. Uh, so thank you, God and thank you, 625 00:33:29,600 --> 00:33:33,920 S11: Founding Fathers, and thank you judges who continue to protect 626 00:33:33,920 --> 00:33:37,040 S11: those rights. Because if we don't stand up for them, 627 00:33:37,040 --> 00:33:38,040 S11: we will lose them. 628 00:33:38,320 --> 00:33:41,000 S1: The enemies at the gates. There are numerous U.S. states 629 00:33:41,000 --> 00:33:43,520 S1: and cities that have already passed similar hate speech laws 630 00:33:43,560 --> 00:33:47,640 S1: and regulations, that they apply similar legal prejudices to Christians 631 00:33:47,640 --> 00:33:52,240 S1: and any citizen who questions identity politics. And I want 632 00:33:52,280 --> 00:33:55,800 S1: to hold up this Member of Parliament of Finland. I 633 00:33:55,840 --> 00:33:58,239 S1: noted earlier that she she's brilliant. First of all, she 634 00:33:58,240 --> 00:34:00,200 S1: happens to be a born again Christian. She's married to 635 00:34:00,240 --> 00:34:04,520 S1: a pastor. And this all started back in 2004. This 636 00:34:04,520 --> 00:34:07,880 S1: is 2026. These these people have been like a dog 637 00:34:07,880 --> 00:34:10,680 S1: and a bone with her. She published a pamphlet at 638 00:34:10,680 --> 00:34:14,400 S1: the time, uh, that said what the Bible says about 639 00:34:14,400 --> 00:34:18,280 S1: human sexuality. And this all generated, by the way, from 640 00:34:18,280 --> 00:34:22,120 S1: her speaking out against the official state church. Now in Finland, 641 00:34:22,160 --> 00:34:25,399 S1: the official state church is the Lutheran church, and this 642 00:34:25,400 --> 00:34:27,839 S1: is a state church. We have separation of church and 643 00:34:27,840 --> 00:34:31,880 S1: state here. And they were sponsoring a queer parade. And 644 00:34:31,880 --> 00:34:34,919 S1: she said, antithetical to the Word of God, posted out 645 00:34:34,960 --> 00:34:37,360 S1: on X a Bible verse that said why it was wrong, 646 00:34:37,400 --> 00:34:39,480 S1: published a pamphlet, felt that people just needed to be 647 00:34:39,480 --> 00:34:42,280 S1: educated on what the Bible had to say. And so 648 00:34:42,280 --> 00:34:48,400 S1: they started working to prosecute her in 2019. For seven 649 00:34:48,400 --> 00:34:51,400 S1: years they have been pursuing her, threatening her, threatening and 650 00:34:51,400 --> 00:34:54,240 S1: threaten her. And she is quiet. She is soft spoken, 651 00:34:54,239 --> 00:34:57,520 S1: she is diminutive, but oh, is she a warrior? She 652 00:34:57,520 --> 00:35:00,239 S1: has not budged. She has not recanted. She said she's 653 00:35:00,239 --> 00:35:03,520 S1: not going to stop speaking publicly about her beliefs. So 654 00:35:03,520 --> 00:35:05,520 S1: I want you to see the parallel here. When I 655 00:35:05,520 --> 00:35:08,839 S1: talked about Hugh Latimer being burned at the stake. We're 656 00:35:08,840 --> 00:35:13,239 S1: not literally, at least in Western countries where there's a democracy. 657 00:35:13,239 --> 00:35:15,600 S1: Are we burning people at the stake? But we're doing 658 00:35:15,600 --> 00:35:18,000 S1: the next thing, which is we're going to burn your 659 00:35:18,000 --> 00:35:20,960 S1: reputation publicly. We're going to burn your ability to have 660 00:35:20,960 --> 00:35:23,480 S1: free speech. We're going to burn your ability to have 661 00:35:23,480 --> 00:35:26,840 S1: freedom of association by threatening you with jails and fines 662 00:35:26,840 --> 00:35:30,280 S1: and cultural marginalization. And I think that's an important lesson 663 00:35:30,280 --> 00:35:33,200 S1: for us because as I noted before, this is creeping 664 00:35:33,200 --> 00:35:35,239 S1: into the United States, and we're going to come after 665 00:35:35,239 --> 00:35:36,919 S1: the break. We're going to talk about what's happening just 666 00:35:36,920 --> 00:35:40,040 S1: to our neighbors to the north in Canada. But this 667 00:35:40,040 --> 00:35:43,720 S1: woman has not retreated one iota, and it's the kind 668 00:35:43,719 --> 00:35:46,280 S1: of story that should make every one of us as 669 00:35:46,280 --> 00:35:49,440 S1: followers of Christ stop, look in our spiritual mirror and say, 670 00:35:49,800 --> 00:35:51,880 S1: could I do that? Would I be brave enough to 671 00:35:51,920 --> 00:35:54,040 S1: do it? AM I going to succumb to the slings 672 00:35:54,040 --> 00:35:57,080 S1: and arrows of outrageous cultural criticism? Or am I going 673 00:35:57,080 --> 00:35:59,320 S1: to say that my job, as Paul reminds us regularly, 674 00:35:59,320 --> 00:36:01,959 S1: is to please God, not to please men? And that 675 00:36:01,960 --> 00:36:04,680 S1: if we fail to acknowledge and confess him in public, 676 00:36:04,719 --> 00:36:06,600 S1: you know, the Bible says he'll do the same thing 677 00:36:06,640 --> 00:36:08,560 S1: to us. So are we going to be unashamed of 678 00:36:08,560 --> 00:36:11,320 S1: the gospel of Jesus Christ? It's one thing to memorize 679 00:36:11,320 --> 00:36:13,279 S1: that verse and get your Awana badge. It's a whole 680 00:36:13,280 --> 00:36:17,240 S1: nother thing to live out that truth and say whatever 681 00:36:17,239 --> 00:36:20,560 S1: the cost. It cost him everything to die for us. 682 00:36:20,800 --> 00:36:23,600 S1: Are we willing to say that we will do anything 683 00:36:23,640 --> 00:36:26,719 S1: to serve and honor and glorify him? I love these 684 00:36:26,719 --> 00:36:29,200 S1: conversations because they make us do a deep dive on 685 00:36:29,200 --> 00:36:33,160 S1: exactly how authentic and rich and important our faith in 686 00:36:33,160 --> 00:36:35,600 S1: Jesus Christ really is. So when we come back, look 687 00:36:35,600 --> 00:36:37,040 S1: to the North, we're going to talk about what they're 688 00:36:37,040 --> 00:36:39,359 S1: doing in Canada right now. When I said that, the 689 00:36:39,360 --> 00:36:43,120 S1: enemy is quickly approaching right at our door. Back after this. 690 00:36:59,600 --> 00:37:03,280 S1: So just to put a capstone on this story of 691 00:37:03,400 --> 00:37:07,080 S1: Raisanen in Finland. The Supreme Court in that country again 692 00:37:07,080 --> 00:37:09,920 S1: finds her guilty by a vote of 3 to 2. 693 00:37:10,280 --> 00:37:14,120 S1: Of hate speech for publishing her biblical beliefs. So the 694 00:37:14,120 --> 00:37:17,320 S1: court upheld the criminal conviction against her and a Lutheran 695 00:37:17,320 --> 00:37:20,880 S1: bishop for, quote their words making and keeping available to 696 00:37:20,920 --> 00:37:24,920 S1: the public in a text that insults a group. The 697 00:37:24,920 --> 00:37:27,000 S1: High Court did acquit her on a separate charge of 698 00:37:27,000 --> 00:37:30,360 S1: tweeting a Bible verse, but it found her guilty of insult. 699 00:37:30,800 --> 00:37:33,920 S1: Their words for this two decade old pamphlet. You know 700 00:37:33,920 --> 00:37:38,520 S1: what the pamphlet was called? Male and female. He created them. Now, 701 00:37:38,520 --> 00:37:39,920 S1: where does that come from? It comes from the book 702 00:37:39,920 --> 00:37:42,719 S1: of Genesis. Why is that important? Come with me to Canada, 703 00:37:43,080 --> 00:37:45,560 S1: where the Canadian MPs have now just passed a very 704 00:37:45,560 --> 00:37:51,960 S1: radical bill called C9 in 186 to 137 votes. And 705 00:37:51,960 --> 00:37:55,479 S1: now conservatives there are calling on Christians to pray and 706 00:37:55,480 --> 00:37:59,400 S1: flood senators with phone calls and emails opposing the bill. 707 00:37:59,920 --> 00:38:03,280 S1: So the majority of the Canadian MPs voted to pass 708 00:38:03,360 --> 00:38:06,680 S1: this Liberal bill that would allow the criminalization of religious 709 00:38:06,680 --> 00:38:10,400 S1: expression and belief. When quoting parts of the Bible, including 710 00:38:10,400 --> 00:38:14,760 S1: about homosexuality and gender. Pause. What is it about sex 711 00:38:14,760 --> 00:38:17,160 S1: that Satan is so effective with this tool? I told you, 712 00:38:17,160 --> 00:38:19,560 S1: it's the tip of the spear. And the hate speech 713 00:38:19,560 --> 00:38:23,239 S1: comes always to people who either think they're trapped in 714 00:38:23,239 --> 00:38:26,480 S1: the wrong body or they have same sex attraction. And that's, quote, 715 00:38:26,520 --> 00:38:30,799 S1: an insult. It's anathema according to God's Word and billions 716 00:38:30,800 --> 00:38:32,879 S1: of people around the globe. But you can't say that 717 00:38:32,880 --> 00:38:35,960 S1: now or you're going to be looking at the executioner's blade. 718 00:38:36,239 --> 00:38:39,439 S1: So early Wednesday evening of this week, the MPs from 719 00:38:39,440 --> 00:38:43,680 S1: the Liberal Party and another voting bloc of the parliament 720 00:38:43,880 --> 00:38:47,040 S1: voted in this one, 86 to 137 and passed this bill, 721 00:38:47,040 --> 00:38:50,480 S1: known as the Combating Hate Act. Are you catching the 722 00:38:50,480 --> 00:38:55,960 S1: similarities here? So conservatives and the Green Party, MPs and 723 00:38:55,960 --> 00:38:58,600 S1: another bloc of parliament voted against the bill in a 724 00:38:58,600 --> 00:39:00,960 S1: rare form of unity. These are groups that don't usually 725 00:39:00,960 --> 00:39:04,120 S1: coalesce together. But on this one, they did, uh, and 726 00:39:04,120 --> 00:39:07,200 S1: they said, absolutely not. We're going to stand against it. Now, 727 00:39:07,200 --> 00:39:09,799 S1: what happens is, in some respects, even though they have 728 00:39:09,800 --> 00:39:12,280 S1: a parliament, not a Congress like we have, the bill 729 00:39:12,280 --> 00:39:15,839 S1: heads to Canada's rubber stamp Senate for review. So it'll 730 00:39:15,880 --> 00:39:18,680 S1: be just that's it. It'll be passed. There was a 731 00:39:18,680 --> 00:39:21,280 S1: last minute attempt by the conservatives to change the wording 732 00:39:21,280 --> 00:39:24,320 S1: of the bill that, however, failed to pass. And earlier 733 00:39:24,320 --> 00:39:26,920 S1: this week, the Liberal MPs forced the bill through the 734 00:39:26,920 --> 00:39:31,959 S1: report stage after earlier, um, shutting down all debate on 735 00:39:31,960 --> 00:39:34,480 S1: the bill in the committee stage. So they've been ramrodding 736 00:39:34,480 --> 00:39:36,920 S1: this through. This often happens. Look away, look away. And 737 00:39:36,920 --> 00:39:38,960 S1: then trying to get it in before people really understand 738 00:39:38,960 --> 00:39:43,280 S1: the ramifications. So, uh, apparently the groups have been posting 739 00:39:43,280 --> 00:39:45,600 S1: their real concern. One of them said this with the 740 00:39:45,600 --> 00:39:48,240 S1: passage of Bill C-9 in the House, Christians and pro-life 741 00:39:48,239 --> 00:39:50,799 S1: advocates will almost certainly face an entirely new level of 742 00:39:50,800 --> 00:39:55,240 S1: hostility as the door swings open to actually to actual 743 00:39:55,239 --> 00:39:59,799 S1: persecution under the cloak of supposed legality. Uh, the bill 744 00:39:59,800 --> 00:40:02,719 S1: was framed as a law going after, quote, hate. But 745 00:40:02,719 --> 00:40:05,560 S1: in reality, it's a bill that religious leaders from various 746 00:40:05,560 --> 00:40:09,400 S1: faith communities say, quote, could lead to hate related charges 747 00:40:09,440 --> 00:40:15,680 S1: against believers, empowers ideologically driven police officers and judges to target, 748 00:40:15,680 --> 00:40:19,680 S1: for the first time the very Word of God on life, family, 749 00:40:19,680 --> 00:40:22,560 S1: and faith. We're not talking about Tehran. We're talking about 750 00:40:22,600 --> 00:40:23,319 S1: Toronto here. 751 00:40:23,360 --> 00:40:26,520 S11: Okay, that's coming very close. Uh, you and I have 752 00:40:26,520 --> 00:40:33,040 S11: watched the migration of, uh, England, US and Canada and Canada. 753 00:40:33,080 --> 00:40:37,480 S11: There's a great link, obviously, in the parliamentary procedures and 754 00:40:37,880 --> 00:40:41,239 S11: the kind of, uh, legal approach that they use on 755 00:40:41,239 --> 00:40:48,200 S11: social issues between England and Canada. Um, but we somehow, 756 00:40:48,560 --> 00:40:51,759 S11: I think we thought Canada and the United States, you know, 757 00:40:51,800 --> 00:40:55,239 S11: we have a kinship in terms of things like due process, 758 00:40:55,239 --> 00:40:59,330 S11: freedom of speech, you know, the fundamental rights of citizens, 759 00:40:59,530 --> 00:41:06,890 S11: but apparently not. Canada has been on a direction really 760 00:41:07,210 --> 00:41:12,290 S11: without reversing, has been on a general direction of a 761 00:41:12,290 --> 00:41:16,609 S11: kind of soft totalitarianism when it comes to speech and 762 00:41:16,930 --> 00:41:20,890 S11: political correctness and enforcing it very strongly. 763 00:41:20,890 --> 00:41:23,010 S1: So look at the linkage here. I find this fascinating. 764 00:41:23,010 --> 00:41:25,609 S1: But if you're going to be a maturing saint and 765 00:41:25,610 --> 00:41:27,810 S1: you're looking at the world through the lens of scripture, 766 00:41:28,130 --> 00:41:30,210 S1: Satan's not smart. He's only got a few tools in 767 00:41:30,210 --> 00:41:31,770 S1: his box. He just knows how to use them very 768 00:41:31,770 --> 00:41:34,810 S1: effectively and has used them for millennia. Yes. And I 769 00:41:34,810 --> 00:41:36,850 S1: find it interesting that whether you happen to be a 770 00:41:36,850 --> 00:41:40,570 S1: Finnish member of Parliament or a Christian in Canada, a. 771 00:41:40,810 --> 00:41:43,250 S1: It's the issue of sexuality that somehow if you don't 772 00:41:43,290 --> 00:41:46,129 S1: embrace that which God calls perversion and an abomination, that 773 00:41:46,130 --> 00:41:49,210 S1: somehow you're the hater and that it's, quote, an insult 774 00:41:49,210 --> 00:41:50,930 S1: to a group, to use the language of the Supreme 775 00:41:50,930 --> 00:41:54,010 S1: Court from Finland. I also find it interesting, too, that 776 00:41:54,010 --> 00:41:56,730 S1: they know where the genesis of this worldview comes from. 777 00:41:56,730 --> 00:41:59,850 S1: They're going specifically in Canada, they're going after the Word 778 00:41:59,850 --> 00:42:03,610 S1: of God. So Rissanen writes her pamphlet, male and female. 779 00:42:03,610 --> 00:42:06,009 S1: He created them right out of the Bible, gives the 780 00:42:06,010 --> 00:42:09,209 S1: Bible's defence of human sexuality what the Bible says. And 781 00:42:09,210 --> 00:42:11,850 S1: then we go to Canada. And now you can't talk 782 00:42:11,850 --> 00:42:13,930 S1: about certain parts of the Bible because they're going to 783 00:42:13,930 --> 00:42:15,850 S1: be an insult. Well, let me tell you, if you're 784 00:42:15,850 --> 00:42:18,450 S1: not insulted by something somewhere in the Bible, you're not 785 00:42:18,450 --> 00:42:21,050 S1: reading it because it's designed to convict us. 786 00:42:21,090 --> 00:42:23,770 S11: Again, one of my favorite quotes from C.S. Lewis, there's 787 00:42:23,770 --> 00:42:26,690 S11: so many is it's not what I understand. And what 788 00:42:26,690 --> 00:42:29,210 S11: I don't understand in the Bible that bothers me the most. 789 00:42:29,210 --> 00:42:32,890 S11: It's what I do understand. And it's that conviction that 790 00:42:32,930 --> 00:42:33,930 S11: hits you right between the eyes. 791 00:42:33,969 --> 00:42:37,250 S1: Exactly. So let's just go to the title of her 792 00:42:37,250 --> 00:42:40,049 S1: pamphlet again. This has been she has been involved in 793 00:42:40,050 --> 00:42:42,690 S1: this for over 20 years and she has not deviated. 794 00:42:42,690 --> 00:42:45,970 S1: As I noted earlier, male and female, he created them. 795 00:42:45,969 --> 00:42:49,490 S1: Now taken to its logical conclusion, because these are poison 796 00:42:49,489 --> 00:42:52,930 S1: pill bits of legislation. If you make that declaration, you 797 00:42:52,930 --> 00:42:57,050 S1: are deciding that there aren't 92 different Iterations of your gender. Gender, 798 00:42:57,050 --> 00:43:00,090 S1: by the way, is a social construct. Biology says there's 799 00:43:00,090 --> 00:43:02,370 S1: two sexes. X, x x y. If you've got an argument, 800 00:43:02,410 --> 00:43:04,250 S1: take it up with God. It's. Let me do a 801 00:43:04,250 --> 00:43:06,330 S1: cotton swab in your mouth. Okay. And when five seconds 802 00:43:06,330 --> 00:43:08,529 S1: this argument will be over. But now you're a two 803 00:43:08,530 --> 00:43:11,850 S1: spirit guide, a bi, a non a quad. I don't, 804 00:43:11,850 --> 00:43:13,890 S1: I don't even I don't waste my time because it's 805 00:43:13,890 --> 00:43:14,930 S1: a road to foolishness. 806 00:43:14,969 --> 00:43:17,410 S11: Yeah. Genetics don't start in the head. They start in 807 00:43:17,410 --> 00:43:18,529 S11: your genetics. 808 00:43:18,570 --> 00:43:21,810 S1: Well, in every cell of your being it screams out 809 00:43:21,810 --> 00:43:25,290 S1: you are x x or you are x y. It's inarguable. 810 00:43:25,290 --> 00:43:28,650 S1: You were assigned by God, not at birth, even before 811 00:43:28,650 --> 00:43:32,290 S1: you were conceived. The Bible said he knew you. So 812 00:43:32,290 --> 00:43:36,090 S1: all of these super overlays are fallacious arguments. But even 813 00:43:36,090 --> 00:43:39,210 S1: the declaration, male and female, he created them out of 814 00:43:39,210 --> 00:43:42,969 S1: the book of Genesis. If you take this passage of Scripture, 815 00:43:43,130 --> 00:43:45,770 S1: the way this language is written in this Canadian bill, 816 00:43:45,770 --> 00:43:48,850 S1: that would be, quote, an insult to a group and 817 00:43:48,850 --> 00:43:51,330 S1: could land you in a heap of trouble. Yeah. 818 00:43:51,450 --> 00:43:57,850 S11: Yeah. Look, um, the same. Rules apply. Are your feet 819 00:43:57,850 --> 00:44:02,489 S11: planted in the word? Are you seeking God's approval or man's. 820 00:44:02,650 --> 00:44:04,730 S11: These are basics. And yet we always have to go 821 00:44:04,730 --> 00:44:05,569 S11: back to them, don't we? 822 00:44:05,610 --> 00:44:08,810 S1: Yeah, but not only are their basics. I keep wanting 823 00:44:08,810 --> 00:44:11,089 S1: to underscore the fact that they're there for our protection. 824 00:44:11,130 --> 00:44:13,530 S1: That's right. God is not the author of confusion. There's 825 00:44:13,570 --> 00:44:17,009 S1: order and form and purpose in God's world, in His 826 00:44:17,010 --> 00:44:20,290 S1: Word and in his plan for mankind. So when you 827 00:44:20,290 --> 00:44:22,690 S1: see this chaos, in this confusion, we can't define what 828 00:44:22,690 --> 00:44:24,250 S1: a woman is. You're going to insult a group of 829 00:44:24,250 --> 00:44:27,009 S1: people because they want to have sin and get society's 830 00:44:27,010 --> 00:44:29,770 S1: approval because of it. That is not God. That is 831 00:44:29,770 --> 00:44:32,250 S1: evidence of the fact that we are living east of 832 00:44:32,250 --> 00:44:35,130 S1: Eden in a sin sick, fallen world, and we desperately 833 00:44:35,130 --> 00:44:37,770 S1: need Jesus. These stories that Craig and I talk about 834 00:44:37,770 --> 00:44:39,850 S1: are designed mostly to do one thing, and that's to 835 00:44:39,850 --> 00:44:43,049 S1: get your feet swift for the gospel that you will 836 00:44:43,050 --> 00:44:45,930 S1: get out and tell the world who desperately reminds us 837 00:44:45,930 --> 00:44:48,609 S1: they don't know who Jesus is. You tell him who 838 00:44:48,610 --> 00:44:50,770 S1: he is. Have a great weekend. We'll see you next time.