WEBVTT - The Complexity of David 0:00:00.440 --> 0:00:04.360 Coming to you from the Morning Star Mission sponsored studio. 0:00:04.720 --> 0:00:08.120 This is Carl and crew on Moody Radio. 0:00:08.640 --> 0:00:11.520 What tends to be the first thing that you notice 0:00:11.520 --> 0:00:15.720 about a person when you meet someone for the first time? 0:00:15.960 --> 0:00:18.640 You reach out, you shake their hand. If you're a 0:00:18.720 --> 0:00:21.600 church like mine, you go for the full on hug. 0:00:22.440 --> 0:00:26.080 Because our church, our church is a hugging church. Okay. 0:00:26.640 --> 0:00:29.960 Love it, love it. So whether you've been there never, 0:00:29.960 --> 0:00:32.320 and you're walking in for the first time or you're 0:00:32.320 --> 0:00:35.720 getting hugged, you are getting more than one hug, a 0:00:35.760 --> 0:00:38.519 couple of hugs, and sometimes people are a little stiff. 0:00:38.520 --> 0:00:42.080 But usually people go, oh, this kind of feels nice. 0:00:42.600 --> 0:00:45.360 What's the first thing you notice about a person? 0:00:45.720 --> 0:00:49.159 Oh, man. For me. Eyes, eyes, eyes. Yeah. 0:00:49.200 --> 0:00:51.880 Okay, so you do. You look. What do you look 0:00:51.880 --> 0:00:54.600 for in the eyes? Like, does the the warmth. Are 0:00:54.600 --> 0:00:55.360 they connecting? 0:00:55.400 --> 0:00:59.600 Are they connecting is big warmth. Um, a lot of 0:00:59.600 --> 0:01:01.510 times you can just see into the eyes. Are they 0:01:01.550 --> 0:01:04.869 hurting because someone can smile at you and just be, yeah, 0:01:04.870 --> 0:01:06.670 I'm great, I'm fine, I'm fine. But if you really 0:01:06.670 --> 0:01:08.710 look into their eyes, they're not fine. 0:01:08.750 --> 0:01:09.190 Wow. 0:01:09.670 --> 0:01:10.070 Yeah. 0:01:11.069 --> 0:01:11.589 Jonathan. 0:01:11.630 --> 0:01:13.790 So I think. No, it's a great answer. 0:01:13.830 --> 0:01:16.110 No, no. Sorry. You better go deep, Jonathan, I know. 0:01:16.150 --> 0:01:16.390 Okay. 0:01:16.750 --> 0:01:22.069 Better not say shirt. No. What do you. What do 0:01:22.069 --> 0:01:24.590 you first notice about someone? It doesn't have to be deep. 0:01:24.630 --> 0:01:26.750 No. Sure, I think I think what I notice, and 0:01:26.750 --> 0:01:29.990 I don't mean this in a bad way, but like it. 0:01:30.030 --> 0:01:32.590 But it may be a little explanation will come. I 0:01:32.590 --> 0:01:35.470 think when I talk with somebody for the first time, 0:01:35.830 --> 0:01:38.789 the first thing I kind of gauge or understand is, 0:01:38.830 --> 0:01:42.750 is this person a conversationalist or not a conversationalist? Because 0:01:42.790 --> 0:01:45.149 and when I say, like, am I going to have 0:01:45.150 --> 0:01:48.630 to do like ask the questions in this conversation, I 0:01:48.630 --> 0:01:52.110 don't mean that in a bad way, because everybody's made differently. 0:01:52.270 --> 0:01:54.590 But I think that's what I start to talk with 0:01:54.590 --> 0:01:56.990 someone I understand. Okay, hey, I'm going to have to 0:01:57.030 --> 0:01:59.820 ask more questions here. Maybe this person doesn't like to 0:01:59.860 --> 0:02:02.540 just talk as much. You know, maybe they they're not 0:02:02.540 --> 0:02:04.420 going to think of the questions to ask themselves. So 0:02:04.420 --> 0:02:06.900 I'll ask the questions or it's like, hey, this person's 0:02:06.940 --> 0:02:09.540 a really big conversationalist. Maybe I'm not going to ask 0:02:09.540 --> 0:02:11.620 as many questions because they're they like to talk too. 0:02:11.660 --> 0:02:13.340 So maybe let them ask the questions. 0:02:13.380 --> 0:02:15.619 Yeah, I like it. You know, I was thinking about 0:02:15.620 --> 0:02:18.500 this and I, I think I noticed the first thing 0:02:18.500 --> 0:02:22.500 I notice about a person is how open they seem. 0:02:22.980 --> 0:02:23.859 Okay. In what. 0:02:23.860 --> 0:02:28.020 Way? Well, I mean, I oftentimes the context where I 0:02:28.060 --> 0:02:30.580 meet new people is because of my kids. 0:02:30.620 --> 0:02:30.980 Okay. 0:02:31.020 --> 0:02:35.980 Yeah. So whether it's school or sports or birthday parties, 0:02:36.020 --> 0:02:37.660 I'm in the stage of life where a lot of 0:02:37.660 --> 0:02:39.420 the meeting of new people is like, oh, hey, you 0:02:39.460 --> 0:02:42.100 got a kid around my kid's age? Yeah, yeah. And 0:02:42.100 --> 0:02:45.460 so I realized that some people come across as very 0:02:45.460 --> 0:02:48.980 friendly and open. Yeah. And I realized that I noticed 0:02:48.980 --> 0:02:52.540 almost immediately if someone seems more closed off. 0:02:52.580 --> 0:02:54.139 Like they don't really want to have a conversation. 0:02:54.180 --> 0:02:58.620 Like, they say hi, but it doesn't. I notice quickly 0:02:58.620 --> 0:03:02.420 if it seems like I perceive someone's disinterest in, like, 0:03:02.460 --> 0:03:03.700 a deeper relationship. 0:03:03.740 --> 0:03:04.060 Okay. 0:03:04.100 --> 0:03:07.460 Yeah. And I realize that I, I can easily kind of. 0:03:07.500 --> 0:03:11.140 If somebody seems a little bit closed off, then I 0:03:11.300 --> 0:03:14.299 can make a snap judgment and go, okay, I don't 0:03:14.300 --> 0:03:16.900 really think they're interested in talking to me, so I, 0:03:16.940 --> 0:03:18.340 I move along. Yeah. 0:03:18.740 --> 0:03:21.860 Do you feel like, uh, you're accurate most of the 0:03:21.860 --> 0:03:23.500 time in perceiving that from people? 0:03:23.540 --> 0:03:26.500 Not always. Yeah. Because I realize that some people just 0:03:26.500 --> 0:03:29.260 need more time. Yeah. Like, I definitely I can think 0:03:29.260 --> 0:03:33.060 of one person in particular. Um, our our kids. I 0:03:33.060 --> 0:03:34.780 won't even say which kid because both of my kids 0:03:34.780 --> 0:03:37.140 play basketball. So you're not going to piece this one together. 0:03:38.180 --> 0:03:42.100 Her kid and my kid both played on a team together, 0:03:42.100 --> 0:03:47.060 and I decided pretty quickly, she really does not like me. 0:03:47.100 --> 0:03:47.460 Ah. 0:03:47.900 --> 0:03:51.180 That's the perception I got. She seemed, you know, I 0:03:51.540 --> 0:03:53.460 did the sort of, hey, how's it going? And I 0:03:53.460 --> 0:03:56.140 felt like it was met with, like, a little bit 0:03:56.140 --> 0:03:58.410 of a kind of a. 0:03:58.650 --> 0:03:59.050 Don't talk. 0:03:59.050 --> 0:04:01.330 To me, okay? And so I, you know, for like 0:04:01.370 --> 0:04:04.090 a couple of I would say like maybe a month 0:04:04.090 --> 0:04:06.210 or two. I was like, yeah, she doesn't really like me. 0:04:06.210 --> 0:04:08.090 So I'm going to kind of keep my distance. Okay. 0:04:08.130 --> 0:04:12.090 But over time we actually developed a like a good friendship, 0:04:12.090 --> 0:04:14.850 not like besties kind of thing, but like I realized 0:04:14.850 --> 0:04:17.930 that I had to quickly judged that she didn't like me. 0:04:17.930 --> 0:04:20.250 I think it's just maybe I was a lot. And 0:04:20.250 --> 0:04:25.409 she needed time to warm up. She needed some time, like, 0:04:25.410 --> 0:04:28.530 I can I can conversate with someone pretty quickly and 0:04:28.529 --> 0:04:30.489 pretty easily and some people take more time. 0:04:30.529 --> 0:04:31.130 That's very true. 0:04:31.170 --> 0:04:34.130 And so sometimes our snap judgments are not correct, right? 0:04:34.330 --> 0:04:36.130 Yeah. I think we have to be careful about snap 0:04:36.130 --> 0:04:38.929 judgments sometimes because yeah, we can be accurate, but sometimes 0:04:38.930 --> 0:04:42.450 we trust our perspective on the situation a little too much. Yeah. 0:04:42.490 --> 0:04:45.650 And uh, and maybe it's not that way in that 0:04:45.650 --> 0:04:46.850 person's head at all. 0:04:46.850 --> 0:04:49.810 And I think I would agree with Jonathan the fact 0:04:49.810 --> 0:04:51.970 that too, it's like you want to give somebody patience 0:04:51.970 --> 0:04:53.890 because I want them to have patience with me. If 0:04:53.890 --> 0:04:57.210 I send in Invertedly, just send off a wrong signal. 0:04:57.320 --> 0:04:59.040 Please get time to know me a little bit better. 0:04:59.040 --> 0:05:01.000 I know you know. Please. I want to do the 0:05:01.000 --> 0:05:01.600 same for someone else. 0:05:01.640 --> 0:05:05.680 Totally. Because I remember the feeling of being, like, judged 0:05:05.680 --> 0:05:09.320 by a first impression incorrectly. You're like, wait, no. I 0:05:09.320 --> 0:05:12.000 remember someone saying that they. I had met a friend 0:05:12.000 --> 0:05:15.120 of theirs and their their friend had said something that 0:05:15.120 --> 0:05:18.240 was kind of negative based on their first impression. And 0:05:18.240 --> 0:05:20.080 I was so hurt because I was like, that's not 0:05:20.080 --> 0:05:22.600 at all who I am. Exactly. I am not whatever 0:05:22.600 --> 0:05:25.320 they had decided in their first 10s with me that 0:05:25.320 --> 0:05:27.320 I was. So we want to give each other grace. 0:05:27.600 --> 0:05:29.720 What do you notice first about a person? You can 0:05:29.720 --> 0:05:34.080 text us on this one 805 55 7898. Are they 0:05:34.080 --> 0:05:36.640 looking at me? What's the look on their face? Says 0:05:36.640 --> 0:05:43.760 8211 I notice people's teeth. 0575 interesting. You can keep 0:05:43.760 --> 0:05:46.000 responding on this one. But coming up we are going 0:05:46.040 --> 0:05:49.240 to talk about first impressions in Scripture. Did you know 0:05:49.240 --> 0:05:52.839 that the first actions, first words that are mentioned about 0:05:52.839 --> 0:05:56.870 a person tell us a lot about their character We're 0:05:56.870 --> 0:05:59.309 going to talk about it with Doctor Jim Coakley. What 0:05:59.310 --> 0:06:03.029 is said first about David? What are his first words, 0:06:03.029 --> 0:06:06.390 his first action, and what can we glean from that? 0:06:06.950 --> 0:06:09.630 You can take him out of Alaska, but you can't 0:06:09.670 --> 0:06:13.510 take Alaska out of him. Carl is in the crew. 0:06:13.750 --> 0:06:16.349 It's Carl and crew on Moody Radio. 0:06:16.790 --> 0:06:18.990 Hey, I'm Allie, this is Carl and crew. Got a 0:06:18.990 --> 0:06:22.349 special guest joining us in studio. Doctor Jim Coakley, professor 0:06:22.350 --> 0:06:25.590 here at Moody Bible Institute, author of the book 14 0:06:25.589 --> 0:06:28.870 Fresh Ways to Enjoy the Bible. Now, this whole idea 0:06:28.870 --> 0:06:32.470 of the first mention in Scripture, when I first heard 0:06:32.470 --> 0:06:35.070 you talk about this a couple of years ago, I thought, boy, 0:06:35.070 --> 0:06:37.350 I'd never even heard that before. But explain. Before you 0:06:37.350 --> 0:06:40.270 even get to David's first mention, why is the first 0:06:40.270 --> 0:06:42.469 mention in Scripture in general so important? 0:06:42.790 --> 0:06:45.310 Well, when we think about the Bible authors, they have 0:06:45.310 --> 0:06:47.750 to be very selective in what they can share about 0:06:47.750 --> 0:06:51.950 a character. They can't go into a long biographical, chronological history. 0:06:52.190 --> 0:06:55.470 So they have to kind of purposely select pieces of 0:06:55.589 --> 0:06:57.830 information that will help us as readers to kind of 0:06:57.870 --> 0:07:00.790 get what we say is the full characterization of who 0:07:00.830 --> 0:07:04.070 that individual is like. And so what authors do is 0:07:04.110 --> 0:07:07.750 they use a technique, we call it characterization. And it's 0:07:07.750 --> 0:07:11.310 really then dealing with what are the first words that 0:07:11.310 --> 0:07:13.830 we see come out of that character's mouth. So look 0:07:13.830 --> 0:07:17.510 for quoted material. Look for the first actions. What do 0:07:17.510 --> 0:07:20.510 we see this character doing? And then if there is 0:07:20.510 --> 0:07:22.510 any and we don't, sometimes we have some, but not 0:07:22.510 --> 0:07:25.510 oftentimes in the Bible. Do we have any physical attributes, 0:07:25.510 --> 0:07:28.470 any physical descriptors. And so we have all of those 0:07:28.470 --> 0:07:31.470 with David. And they all play out marvelously to help 0:07:31.470 --> 0:07:35.030 us as readers to understand the complex character that David 0:07:35.030 --> 0:07:35.870 actually is. 0:07:35.990 --> 0:07:40.830 So first Samuel 16 is where we first see David emerge. Yes, 0:07:40.910 --> 0:07:44.710 he's the youngest son of Jesse. Tell us about his 0:07:44.710 --> 0:07:47.150 first look. First word, first description. 0:07:47.270 --> 0:07:49.310 Well, let's talk about his first actions. The first thing 0:07:49.310 --> 0:07:51.870 we see David doing is he's shepherding the flock. And 0:07:51.870 --> 0:07:54.350 so he has to be called in to be, you know, 0:07:54.350 --> 0:07:58.340 brought before Samuel to be potential a choice for the 0:07:58.340 --> 0:08:00.660 next king of Israel. And so the first thing we 0:08:00.660 --> 0:08:03.820 see is him being a shepherd. He's watching, tending the sheep. 0:08:04.180 --> 0:08:06.619 Now we even use the word shepherd in a way 0:08:06.620 --> 0:08:10.140 called leadership. Even the word pastor is comes from the 0:08:10.140 --> 0:08:12.900 word to shepherd. And so the first thing we see 0:08:12.940 --> 0:08:15.420 David doing is shepherding he's leader. So we see him 0:08:15.420 --> 0:08:18.260 as a leader. But then also we have at the 0:08:18.260 --> 0:08:21.340 end of chapter 16, he's in Saul's court and he 0:08:21.340 --> 0:08:25.220 is playing the harp, the lyre, and he is a musician. 0:08:25.460 --> 0:08:28.300 And of course, that's a first action that we see. 0:08:28.460 --> 0:08:32.179 And that also helps us understand that David is a musician. 0:08:32.179 --> 0:08:34.620 And so as we look at the Psalms, many of 0:08:34.660 --> 0:08:37.500 the Psalms are written by this musician. And so we 0:08:37.500 --> 0:08:40.380 see that as a part of David's full character arc. 0:08:40.660 --> 0:08:43.300 And then we see him in chapter 17 and next 0:08:43.300 --> 0:08:46.020 chapter as a warrior, as somebody who heads up the 0:08:46.020 --> 0:08:50.020 nation in military battle. And so those first actions, we 0:08:50.020 --> 0:08:52.660 see him as a shepherd, we see him as a musician, 0:08:52.660 --> 0:08:55.650 we see him as a warrior. And those three are 0:08:55.650 --> 0:08:58.450 the major roles that David's going to play throughout the 0:08:58.450 --> 0:09:00.010 rest of his life. And that's what we're going to 0:09:00.010 --> 0:09:03.010 read about in the Bible. And so in breadcrumb format, 0:09:03.050 --> 0:09:06.490 we have introduction to the roles that David is going 0:09:06.530 --> 0:09:08.330 to play throughout his life. So he has a very 0:09:08.330 --> 0:09:09.489 complex character. 0:09:09.850 --> 0:09:13.290 Now, I've always been curious about the mention of David 0:09:13.330 --> 0:09:16.610 being ruddy and handsome. Now, the reason why this has 0:09:16.610 --> 0:09:19.610 always caught my attention is because just a couple of 0:09:19.610 --> 0:09:24.850 verses earlier, the oldest son of Jesse, who apparently was 0:09:24.850 --> 0:09:28.210 tall and attractive, and it's in the verse, man doesn't. 0:09:28.250 --> 0:09:30.449 Man looks at the outward appearance, but God looks at 0:09:30.450 --> 0:09:32.490 the heart. But yet one of the first things that 0:09:32.490 --> 0:09:35.330 we hear about David is about his physical appearance. And 0:09:35.330 --> 0:09:37.450 I always found that to be a curious kind of 0:09:37.490 --> 0:09:38.490 placement there. 0:09:38.530 --> 0:09:40.130 Man, could I have you as one of my students 0:09:40.130 --> 0:09:43.650 in my class. That is a great question because of 0:09:43.650 --> 0:09:45.970 the fact that there is tension, and that, I think, 0:09:46.010 --> 0:09:49.089 adds to the story that David is a complex character. 0:09:49.450 --> 0:09:52.090 He is a man after God's own heart. He is 0:09:52.090 --> 0:09:56.080 somebody who is zealous for the Lord. He is humble 0:09:56.080 --> 0:09:58.760 that he's not really thrusting himself, but then he also 0:09:59.120 --> 0:10:03.360 he's very attractive because he's ruddy, he's attractive in appearance. 0:10:03.360 --> 0:10:05.360 And as we look at all of the other characters 0:10:05.360 --> 0:10:08.160 who are mentioned as being attractive in the Bible, they're 0:10:08.160 --> 0:10:12.319 always seemingly getting into conflict. We have Sarah, we have Rachel, 0:10:12.320 --> 0:10:16.120 we have Joseph, we have Absalom, we have Bathsheba. Later 0:10:16.120 --> 0:10:19.200 on in the story with David, all of these attractive 0:10:19.200 --> 0:10:24.600 characters all have issues with them. And so thankfully, myself included, 0:10:24.600 --> 0:10:26.840 I don't have to worry about being in that problem 0:10:26.840 --> 0:10:29.280 where I have attractiveness. It's going to be a major 0:10:29.280 --> 0:10:31.880 issue to deal with, but we often say that that 0:10:31.880 --> 0:10:35.520 sometimes attractive people get certain edges in life, but they 0:10:35.520 --> 0:10:39.320 also invite certain complex issues too. And I think that's 0:10:39.320 --> 0:10:43.400 really kind of the again, a perfect story introduction to David. 0:10:43.440 --> 0:10:46.640 He's he's a really complex character. 0:10:46.679 --> 0:10:49.440 Now, what about this, this idea of him sort of 0:10:49.480 --> 0:10:54.270 being overlooked because when he first, first The Jesse's sons 0:10:54.270 --> 0:10:57.670 are being evaluated. David's not even in the room. And 0:10:57.670 --> 0:11:00.590 then it's only after the questions asked. Do you have 0:11:00.590 --> 0:11:04.790 any more sons? Then David is called in. How significant 0:11:04.790 --> 0:11:08.230 is that? That he was not even in the picture 0:11:08.230 --> 0:11:09.069 at first. 0:11:09.110 --> 0:11:11.750 I think it's mainly in that case. It's mainly because 0:11:11.750 --> 0:11:14.070 of his age. He's the youngest, he's the runt of 0:11:14.070 --> 0:11:16.790 the litter, so to speak. And so he often gets, 0:11:16.790 --> 0:11:20.990 as oftentimes happens in large families, they kind of get the, 0:11:21.030 --> 0:11:23.030 you know, the low end of the stick, the low 0:11:23.030 --> 0:11:25.470 end of the totem pole, so to speak. And so 0:11:25.470 --> 0:11:28.030 David is out tending to do what the other older 0:11:28.030 --> 0:11:29.870 boys don't want to do, which is taking care of 0:11:29.870 --> 0:11:33.350 smelly sheep away from the action. I mean, who wants 0:11:33.390 --> 0:11:36.589 I mean, Samuel's coming to town. We have an important guest. Well, 0:11:36.590 --> 0:11:39.990 somebody's got to mind the sheep. David, you go do it. 0:11:39.990 --> 0:11:43.150 And so he's not in the picture because he's being 0:11:43.190 --> 0:11:46.110 faithful and loyal to the tasks that his parents have 0:11:46.110 --> 0:11:47.070 been assigning him. 0:11:47.309 --> 0:11:49.990 You know, and the House of David series, which I 0:11:49.990 --> 0:11:51.310 don't know if you've seen. 0:11:51.309 --> 0:11:52.990 Not seen it yet, but I've heard a little bit. 0:11:52.990 --> 0:11:56.350 About it. You know, this, this little element that there 0:11:56.350 --> 0:11:58.670 was an idea introduced in. Jonathan, you can weigh in 0:11:58.670 --> 0:12:01.230 because I've seen part of it, but not the. Isn't 0:12:01.270 --> 0:12:04.670 there some sort of suggestion that David was, for lack 0:12:04.670 --> 0:12:06.949 of a better word, sort of an illegitimate child? 0:12:06.990 --> 0:12:09.670 Yes. They, uh, they continue to explain it as the 0:12:09.670 --> 0:12:13.190 series goes along. But the way the series says is that, uh, 0:12:13.190 --> 0:12:17.110 that his mother was a Philistine woman, that Jesse married 0:12:17.150 --> 0:12:21.309 illegitimately and had him, uh, you know, had him illegitimately. 0:12:21.309 --> 0:12:23.350 And so his whole family kind of shuns him a 0:12:23.350 --> 0:12:23.870 little bit. 0:12:23.910 --> 0:12:27.829 So that obviously, is there any sort of biblical? I mean, 0:12:27.870 --> 0:12:30.470 you don't see that in the Bible. Is that a no? 0:12:30.550 --> 0:12:33.990 Is that that's just, again, typical Hollywood kind of, uh, 0:12:34.030 --> 0:12:37.110 taking a lot of poetic license to kind of jazz 0:12:37.110 --> 0:12:39.710 up the story in ways to, to make it more 0:12:40.150 --> 0:12:43.630 controversial and more intriguing to get, you know, eyes to 0:12:43.670 --> 0:12:46.230 watch that stuff. I mean, the story is great in 0:12:46.230 --> 0:12:48.510 and of itself, of its own. And I think if 0:12:48.510 --> 0:12:51.230 producers of these kind of films would just follow the script, 0:12:51.230 --> 0:12:53.939 as it were. There's a lot of stuff already there. 0:12:53.940 --> 0:12:56.740 You don't have to invent a lot of backstory to 0:12:56.780 --> 0:12:59.380 make it even more complex, because it is already complex 0:12:59.380 --> 0:13:00.020 as it is. 0:13:00.300 --> 0:13:03.380 Now let's talk about the anointing of David, because he 0:13:03.420 --> 0:13:07.140 finds out pretty quickly that there's an anointing on him 0:13:07.140 --> 0:13:09.260 and that there's going to be a call on his life. 0:13:09.260 --> 0:13:12.140 But then it seems like the story sort of shifts 0:13:12.140 --> 0:13:15.820 to this anointing comes privately, not publicly. Does anyone else 0:13:15.820 --> 0:13:18.660 know that David's anointed besides David at this point? 0:13:18.700 --> 0:13:20.700 Well, that's what this is. Again, when you think about 0:13:20.700 --> 0:13:24.300 the backstory, this is insurrection. When you really think about it, 0:13:24.340 --> 0:13:27.380 Saul was king. And so to have Samuel going anywhere 0:13:27.380 --> 0:13:29.260 and you could tell even in the text, Samuel is 0:13:29.260 --> 0:13:32.380 very nervous about doing this because he's going to be 0:13:32.380 --> 0:13:34.340 seen then as someone who's trying to lead a coup 0:13:34.380 --> 0:13:38.380 against the sitting king on the throne, King Saul. And 0:13:38.380 --> 0:13:41.260 so everyone's nervous, to be sure. And so you can 0:13:41.260 --> 0:13:44.460 understand why this is more of a private kind of situation. 0:13:44.460 --> 0:13:47.420 But it is, again, against the grain, because for a 0:13:47.420 --> 0:13:50.500 coronation to be really worth its salt, it has to 0:13:50.500 --> 0:13:53.810 be public that everyone understands. Oh, we're now recognizing him 0:13:53.809 --> 0:13:55.809 as our next king. And if it's in, you know, 0:13:55.850 --> 0:14:00.250 one small little estate in the area of Bethlehem that's 0:14:00.250 --> 0:14:03.410 really not going to, in a sense, warrant that people 0:14:03.410 --> 0:14:05.410 are going to rally to him just because they've not 0:14:05.410 --> 0:14:07.890 seen it done publicly to where they can do that. 0:14:07.890 --> 0:14:10.689 So when we have Coronation of Kings and whatnot, we 0:14:10.690 --> 0:14:13.130 see it on public television and, and we can see 0:14:13.170 --> 0:14:15.210 it all over the world. But in this case, it 0:14:15.210 --> 0:14:18.050 was done in a very private ceremony, again, adding to 0:14:18.050 --> 0:14:21.810 the complexity of the challenges of the time politically, and 0:14:21.810 --> 0:14:24.970 that we have an existing city king, but also now 0:14:25.010 --> 0:14:27.970 that it's going against the grain. So everything's kind of 0:14:28.010 --> 0:14:31.530 not normal, as we see David beginning to rise to 0:14:31.570 --> 0:14:33.650 the king of the nation of Israel. 0:14:33.690 --> 0:14:35.410 Coming up here on Carlin Crew, we've got more with 0:14:35.410 --> 0:14:38.050 our special guest, Doctor Jim Coakley. We're going to move 0:14:38.050 --> 0:14:41.930 to the next chapter first, Samuel 17, which has one 0:14:41.930 --> 0:14:45.450 of the most epic stories in all of Scripture, the 0:14:45.450 --> 0:14:49.370 classic showdown between David and Goliath. Maybe you've heard this story, 0:14:49.370 --> 0:14:52.960 maybe not, but what are some interesting nuances that maybe 0:14:52.960 --> 0:14:56.000 you haven't paid much attention to? More with Doctor Jim 0:14:56.000 --> 0:14:56.960 Coakley coming up. 0:14:57.280 --> 0:15:01.880 She's a choreographer extraordinaire and everything is Greek to her. 0:15:02.320 --> 0:15:06.000 Super di is in the crew. It's Carl and crew 0:15:06.040 --> 0:15:07.320 on Moody Radio. 0:15:07.880 --> 0:15:11.520 Well, even if you've never opened the Bible, it's likely 0:15:11.520 --> 0:15:15.360 that if someone said, hey, what happened between David and Goliath? 0:15:15.640 --> 0:15:19.400 I think you could go out right now in downtown Chicago, 0:15:19.600 --> 0:15:22.880 and most people would have some awareness that some guy 0:15:22.920 --> 0:15:25.640 named David in the Bible took on a giant named 0:15:25.640 --> 0:15:29.040 Goliath and took him down. I think the vast majority 0:15:29.040 --> 0:15:31.120 of people may be able to give you some sort 0:15:31.120 --> 0:15:35.200 of working summary of that story. It's been popularized. It's 0:15:35.520 --> 0:15:39.000 recently in the House of David series, the story of 0:15:39.000 --> 0:15:41.600 David and Goliath. We've got Doctor Jim Coakley in studio 0:15:41.600 --> 0:15:44.920 with us right now. Interestingly, the first words out of 0:15:44.920 --> 0:15:47.720 David's mouth when he goes and he sees that this 0:15:47.720 --> 0:15:53.000 giant is taunting the people of Israel. There's a detail 0:15:53.000 --> 0:15:55.640 there that you that you want to key on. That 0:15:55.680 --> 0:15:58.640 caught my eye, too, because David, the warrior David who 0:15:58.640 --> 0:16:02.040 slays the giant, starts out with a motive that seems 0:16:02.080 --> 0:16:03.240 a little off. 0:16:03.760 --> 0:16:06.520 Yeah. Because when we know that David must have spoke 0:16:06.560 --> 0:16:09.000 a lot of words before, the first words that we 0:16:09.000 --> 0:16:12.480 see being quoted coming out of his mouth. But the 0:16:12.480 --> 0:16:15.560 first words that we see David saying are these found 0:16:15.560 --> 0:16:19.360 in first Samuel 17 verse 26. David asked the men 0:16:19.360 --> 0:16:21.880 standing near him, because like you said, he's been hearing 0:16:21.880 --> 0:16:25.160 this guy now taunting the people, and he says, what 0:16:25.160 --> 0:16:28.240 will be done for the man who kills this Philistine 0:16:28.240 --> 0:16:32.200 and removes this disgrace from Israel? Who is this uncircumcised 0:16:32.200 --> 0:16:36.520 Philistine that he should defy the armies of the living God? Now, 0:16:36.520 --> 0:16:39.080 normally we latch on to that last part because we 0:16:39.080 --> 0:16:43.160 see his zealous nature for God's honor. And so we 0:16:43.160 --> 0:16:46.000 have that motto that we often say about David. Everyone 0:16:46.000 --> 0:16:48.280 uses it. He's a man after. 0:16:48.350 --> 0:16:49.670 God's own heart. 0:16:49.710 --> 0:16:52.390 Yeah. And we see that very clearly because he's very 0:16:52.390 --> 0:16:56.190 zealous for God's honor. But the very first words that 0:16:56.190 --> 0:16:58.710 come out of his mouth are, what's the reward for 0:16:58.710 --> 0:17:02.670 killing this guy? And so this is the the beauty 0:17:02.670 --> 0:17:06.630 of how this first words that we hear, David, introduces 0:17:06.630 --> 0:17:10.390 us to the complexity, duality, as it were, of David 0:17:10.390 --> 0:17:13.910 as a character, because we do see plenty of opportunities 0:17:13.910 --> 0:17:16.790 where he's a man after God's own heart, but also 0:17:16.830 --> 0:17:21.030 we see where he has got personal ambition. And so, hey, 0:17:21.030 --> 0:17:22.950 what's in it for me? If I kill this guy, 0:17:22.950 --> 0:17:25.550 what's my reward? What do I get out of it? 0:17:25.550 --> 0:17:29.990 And so we see that selfish kind of nature being 0:17:29.990 --> 0:17:33.070 displayed here in his very first words. And this is 0:17:33.070 --> 0:17:35.709 something that's going to help us as readers to understand 0:17:35.710 --> 0:17:39.150 why David's did we say Achilles heel or Fatal Flaw 0:17:39.390 --> 0:17:42.390 shows up over and over again when he puts personal 0:17:42.390 --> 0:17:46.669 ambition ahead of covenant faithfulness. And so when he takes 0:17:46.670 --> 0:17:49.500 a census, that's because he wants to see how many 0:17:49.500 --> 0:17:53.700 army men he has under his tutelage. When he sleeps 0:17:53.700 --> 0:17:58.140 with Bathsheba, he thinks, hey, I can take her because, hey, 0:17:58.180 --> 0:18:00.700 kings are worthy of taking this kind of thing. And 0:18:00.700 --> 0:18:04.100 so when he has personal ambition ahead of covenant, faithfulness 0:18:04.140 --> 0:18:07.020 is when David gets out ahead of his skis. And 0:18:07.020 --> 0:18:10.020 that's when we see David getting into trouble. But when 0:18:10.020 --> 0:18:14.340 he is a man after God's own heart worshiping, writing psalms, 0:18:14.380 --> 0:18:16.300 you know, honoring the Lord, bringing the Ark of the 0:18:16.300 --> 0:18:19.580 covenant into Jerusalem. That's the kind of thing that we 0:18:19.619 --> 0:18:22.340 normally like to think about, David, but he's also got 0:18:22.340 --> 0:18:26.740 this underbelly that, in a sense, also is characteristic of David. 0:18:26.780 --> 0:18:27.900 The rest of his life. 0:18:28.100 --> 0:18:31.740 Now, the story as the story goes, which you probably 0:18:31.740 --> 0:18:35.780 know well, he he declines to put on Saul's armor 0:18:35.820 --> 0:18:38.179 because he's not been able to test it out. So 0:18:38.180 --> 0:18:42.700 he agrees to go into battle with just five smooth stones, 0:18:42.900 --> 0:18:47.649 a slingshot, basically. Uh, give us the the narrative of 0:18:47.650 --> 0:18:51.290 what happens here and any, any sort of nuances that 0:18:51.290 --> 0:18:53.530 you think we, we maybe have missed in sort of 0:18:53.570 --> 0:18:55.290 the common retelling of this story. 0:18:55.730 --> 0:18:58.370 The one thing I loved, a little small, little detail, 0:18:58.410 --> 0:19:01.010 you know, you mentioned David trying to put on Saul's 0:19:01.010 --> 0:19:03.290 armor and it's not fitting, but one of the last 0:19:03.290 --> 0:19:07.409 things that Saul does is he puts his bronze helmet 0:19:07.450 --> 0:19:11.170 on David's head. And so when you can picture that 0:19:11.170 --> 0:19:14.570 bronze helmet being put on David's head by King Saul, 0:19:14.810 --> 0:19:18.330 it's almost as if this is perfect symbolism, as it were, 0:19:18.490 --> 0:19:22.370 of the transfer, a coronation, so to speak. That bronze 0:19:22.369 --> 0:19:26.090 helmet is almost like a crown. And Saul has been 0:19:26.090 --> 0:19:30.609 very apathetic to his calling, and he's now, in a sense, 0:19:30.609 --> 0:19:34.130 transferring the mantle of leadership unbeknownst to him, because he's 0:19:34.130 --> 0:19:38.090 not really the sharpest knife in the drawer. He's transferring 0:19:38.210 --> 0:19:40.850 everything over to David. And of course, even David doesn't 0:19:40.850 --> 0:19:43.730 want those trappings. He wants to do things in God's 0:19:43.770 --> 0:19:46.720 way by just using the simple tools that he's used 0:19:46.720 --> 0:19:47.560 already before. 0:19:48.240 --> 0:19:52.600 So what about this? The actual slaying of Goliath. I mean, 0:19:53.040 --> 0:19:57.280 the idea of a slingshot with a stone taking out 0:19:57.680 --> 0:20:00.840 the giant. I mean, it seems like the stuff of 0:20:00.880 --> 0:20:03.680 a of a fiction movie because you think. How how 0:20:03.680 --> 0:20:06.240 in the world is that actually possible? 0:20:06.560 --> 0:20:08.280 Well, I mean, we even read in the book of 0:20:08.280 --> 0:20:11.600 judges how men from the Tribe of Benjamin could sling 0:20:11.600 --> 0:20:14.320 at a hair with a sling. So using a sling 0:20:14.320 --> 0:20:18.680 was a very effective weapon of war. So those projectiles 0:20:18.680 --> 0:20:21.120 could really do a lot of damage. And so it's 0:20:21.160 --> 0:20:25.320 and again, David practicing shepherding, trying to, you know, while 0:20:25.320 --> 0:20:29.280 he's bored stiff watching the sheep over the pastures, you know, 0:20:29.320 --> 0:20:32.080 taking his sling out and practicing. And until he gets 0:20:32.080 --> 0:20:35.040 it really honed. So I think it really is a 0:20:35.040 --> 0:20:39.960 deadly weapon. And sometimes we get the feeling that, you know, David, is, 0:20:40.280 --> 0:20:43.639 you know, kind of using unconventional warfare, but this is 0:20:43.640 --> 0:20:46.320 actually the better kind of thing to use in that 0:20:46.320 --> 0:20:50.879 kind of situation, because not only is King Goliath very 0:20:50.880 --> 0:20:53.320 tall and dressed to the hilt with his armament, he's 0:20:53.320 --> 0:20:55.760 got a shield bearer, so he's already got a big 0:20:55.760 --> 0:20:59.640 portion of him protected. And so the only vulnerable spot 0:20:59.680 --> 0:21:02.639 is that place in the forehead that David was able 0:21:02.640 --> 0:21:06.120 to to hit accurately. And so again, it shows that 0:21:06.119 --> 0:21:09.280 David was willing to trust God, but trust his skills 0:21:09.280 --> 0:21:10.520 to get the job done. 0:21:10.520 --> 0:21:14.160 So this is a much more strategic move than maybe 0:21:14.200 --> 0:21:15.720 even we realized. 0:21:15.760 --> 0:21:18.040 Oh yeah. And also to to think that he's small, 0:21:18.080 --> 0:21:20.920 he's got a smaller target. And also to the fact 0:21:20.920 --> 0:21:23.520 that he's mobile as compared to Goliath, who's going to 0:21:23.520 --> 0:21:26.439 be more fixed because of his size and weight. So 0:21:26.480 --> 0:21:29.280 it was actually a pretty good military strategy overall. 0:21:29.320 --> 0:21:32.040 Doctor Jim Coakley in studio right now. We'll have more 0:21:32.240 --> 0:21:33.160 with him coming up. 0:21:33.560 --> 0:21:36.560 He's a sports fanatic with a stat for anything you 0:21:36.560 --> 0:21:40.840 can think of. Young Thunder is in the crew. It's 0:21:40.840 --> 0:21:43.080 curling crew on Moody Radio. 0:21:43.720 --> 0:21:46.990 We are in First Samuel right now. So David prevailed 0:21:46.990 --> 0:21:49.790 over the Philistine with a sling and with a stone, 0:21:49.790 --> 0:21:51.910 and struck the Philistine and killed him. There was no 0:21:51.910 --> 0:21:54.270 sword in the hand of David. He did this. He 0:21:54.270 --> 0:21:58.670 accomplished this feat that nobody thought was possible with just 0:21:58.710 --> 0:22:01.670 a slingshot, which is a good weapon of war, apparently 0:22:01.670 --> 0:22:03.030 more so than what we had thought. 0:22:03.350 --> 0:22:06.790 Yes. Very definitely. And also, it's interesting to David growing 0:22:06.790 --> 0:22:09.950 up in Bethlehem, it's in the Hill country. So he 0:22:09.950 --> 0:22:12.510 knew how to navigate the hills, but he also was 0:22:12.510 --> 0:22:15.790 shepherding sheep, I'm sure, in the Judean wilderness where he's 0:22:15.790 --> 0:22:18.270 on the run from King Saul later on. But he's 0:22:18.270 --> 0:22:20.949 also here in what we call the shfela, the valleys, 0:22:20.950 --> 0:22:23.990 the kind of to lead to the flatter ground towards the, 0:22:23.990 --> 0:22:27.230 the coastline. And so David grew up in this area 0:22:27.230 --> 0:22:32.390 of three different environments, and all those environments helped prepare 0:22:32.390 --> 0:22:35.750 him as well. So his training was wonderful for being 0:22:35.750 --> 0:22:39.190 a leader, that he was able to navigate the homeland 0:22:39.190 --> 0:22:41.430 of Israel, the hill country. He was able to navigate 0:22:41.430 --> 0:22:44.460 the wilderness because he's on the run oftentimes. And that's 0:22:44.460 --> 0:22:47.500 why he speaks very favorably sometimes of the wilderness, but 0:22:47.500 --> 0:22:50.700 also he's able to navigate where the action is because 0:22:50.740 --> 0:22:54.380 the Philistines are occupying the very more favorable ground, as 0:22:54.380 --> 0:22:58.100 it were, the grain fields and growing areas. And so 0:22:58.340 --> 0:23:00.820 Israel needs to have control of those. And so, David, 0:23:00.980 --> 0:23:03.700 when he gets to the kingship, is able to adapt 0:23:03.700 --> 0:23:06.300 all sorts of environments because he's been trained and prepped 0:23:06.300 --> 0:23:07.659 and so many different levels. 0:23:07.980 --> 0:23:11.340 In terms of application. So often when we hear or 0:23:11.340 --> 0:23:14.139 read about this story, we kind of put ourselves as 0:23:14.180 --> 0:23:17.219 the as the David, and we think about the, the 0:23:17.260 --> 0:23:20.940 giants in our life that seem insurmountable. And anybody who's 0:23:20.940 --> 0:23:23.940 ever heard a sermon about this story that's often kind 0:23:23.940 --> 0:23:26.740 of the, the narrative that that we can take down 0:23:26.740 --> 0:23:30.740 giants with faith in a mighty God. Is that the, 0:23:30.740 --> 0:23:33.540 the the best way to apply this that kind of 0:23:33.580 --> 0:23:36.260 like I'm you and I are like David. 0:23:36.700 --> 0:23:40.260 No probably not. It's probably more that we're more like 0:23:40.260 --> 0:23:44.290 the Israelites who are cowering in fear with Goliath taunting 0:23:44.290 --> 0:23:47.170 every day, day in and day out. And so, yeah, 0:23:47.170 --> 0:23:49.770 we like to envision ourselves as the little guy that 0:23:49.770 --> 0:23:52.050 takes on the the, you know, the big guy, right? 0:23:52.090 --> 0:23:55.889 But in reality, it's only Jesus who can actually do that. 0:23:56.410 --> 0:23:58.890 But we think about the fact that David is such 0:23:58.890 --> 0:24:02.209 a relatable character. Yes, he's got great traits, he's got 0:24:02.250 --> 0:24:05.889 great characteristics, but he also has, you know, got an 0:24:05.930 --> 0:24:08.890 Achilles heel. He's got a flaw that's going to be 0:24:08.930 --> 0:24:11.410 a problematic. And I think for for you and I 0:24:11.450 --> 0:24:14.490 as readers of the Bible, to think that God uses 0:24:14.530 --> 0:24:17.730 even flawed characters like David. And so, yes, we like 0:24:17.730 --> 0:24:20.530 to put these guys on pedestals. We like to worship 0:24:20.530 --> 0:24:23.650 them as their hero for all they do their exploits, 0:24:23.650 --> 0:24:26.890 but oftentimes they have a, you know, a a chink 0:24:26.930 --> 0:24:29.970 in their armor that makes them vulnerable. And that's why 0:24:29.970 --> 0:24:32.490 we always need to be. And David tries to be 0:24:32.490 --> 0:24:35.090 throughout his life, but not perfectly, but he tries to 0:24:35.130 --> 0:24:37.730 stay close to the Lord and worship him and and 0:24:37.730 --> 0:24:41.250 praise him and worship him. So, uh, but that's the, 0:24:41.250 --> 0:24:45.210 the the wonderful nature of David. He's such a relatable character. 0:24:45.250 --> 0:24:47.409 A lot that we can learn. And so this is 0:24:47.410 --> 0:24:49.410 something I think, that we can take away when we 0:24:49.410 --> 0:24:50.889 open the pages of God's Word. 0:24:51.130 --> 0:24:54.090 And that that faith. I mean, when you, you, those 0:24:54.090 --> 0:24:56.810 words like you come at me with a sword and 0:24:56.810 --> 0:25:00.330 a spear, but I come at you in the basically 0:25:00.330 --> 0:25:02.490 in the power of God, the name of God Almighty. 0:25:02.490 --> 0:25:06.090 I'm not quoting directly here, paraphrasing, but this idea that 0:25:06.090 --> 0:25:08.449 man there, there when you when you trust in a 0:25:08.490 --> 0:25:11.850 God where there's nothing, that's impossible. 0:25:11.890 --> 0:25:14.490 Yeah. When we think about what what it says here 0:25:14.890 --> 0:25:17.450 at the end of chapter 16, one of the servants 0:25:17.450 --> 0:25:20.010 of Saul answered, I have seen a son of Jesse 0:25:20.050 --> 0:25:22.530 of Bethlehem. So again that lets us know his background. 0:25:22.530 --> 0:25:24.610 Who knows how to play the harp? He is a 0:25:24.609 --> 0:25:26.970 brave man and a warrior. Even before we get to 0:25:27.010 --> 0:25:30.090 chapter 17, he's said to be a warrior. He speaks 0:25:30.090 --> 0:25:32.570 well and is a fine looking man and the Lord 0:25:32.570 --> 0:25:35.210 is with him. That last statement is the. 0:25:35.210 --> 0:25:35.450 Lord. 0:25:35.450 --> 0:25:37.490 Is wonderful, the Lord is with him. And so that's 0:25:37.490 --> 0:25:40.369 really the key. If the Lord is with you, yes, 0:25:40.369 --> 0:25:42.639 it's going to be messy. It's going to be chaotic. 0:25:43.000 --> 0:25:45.520 It's going to have all sorts of of challenges in 0:25:45.520 --> 0:25:48.639 our way. The Giants and the Kings that are trying 0:25:48.640 --> 0:25:52.080 to thwart you. But yet, what if God is with you? 0:25:52.080 --> 0:25:53.000 You can do it all. 0:25:53.359 --> 0:25:56.359 Doctor Jim Coakley, thank you so much for being in studio. 0:25:56.520 --> 0:25:58.199 I want you to text the key word. Give me 0:25:58.200 --> 0:25:59.879 the key word. Is it fresh? Is that right? 0:25:59.880 --> 0:26:00.440 Yes it is. 0:26:00.440 --> 0:26:05.280 Text fresh to 800 555 7898. For more text fresh 0:26:05.280 --> 0:26:08.280 to 800 555 7898. 0:26:08.840 --> 0:26:13.399 A basketball mom who's mastered the dad joke. Ali is 0:26:13.400 --> 0:26:17.080 in the crew. It's Carl and crew on Moody Radio. 0:26:17.400 --> 0:26:21.000 You know the promise that God is with us as 0:26:21.000 --> 0:26:23.440 the believer. I don't know if there's any more comforting 0:26:23.440 --> 0:26:24.720 statement than that. 0:26:25.240 --> 0:26:28.240 No, I don't think there can be a more comforting 0:26:28.240 --> 0:26:33.320 statement than that, because everything else is circumstantial. It's, you know, fickle. 0:26:33.320 --> 0:26:35.439 It can be good at one moment and horrible at 0:26:35.440 --> 0:26:40.240 another moment. It's untrustworthy. But God is always consistent in 0:26:40.240 --> 0:26:42.350 his love and his sovereignty over stuff. 0:26:42.390 --> 0:26:45.070 You know, I remember a time when I was going 0:26:45.070 --> 0:26:48.909 through some health challenges, and I had to be in 0:26:49.070 --> 0:26:53.670 a pretty uncomfortable medical setting for some tests that were 0:26:54.070 --> 0:26:59.190 pretty painful. And one thing they ask you before you 0:26:59.230 --> 0:27:02.550 go through these tests, they keep wanting to make sure 0:27:02.550 --> 0:27:05.350 because you can't drive yourself home, right? So they keep 0:27:05.390 --> 0:27:09.430 asking you, who's here with you? My husband was there. 0:27:09.470 --> 0:27:10.790 He was in the waiting room. He was going to 0:27:10.790 --> 0:27:13.230 take me home. And they keep asking you this question. 0:27:13.790 --> 0:27:16.909 And so one nurse, she was like, I'm laying on 0:27:16.910 --> 0:27:19.350 this table, I'm ready to have this huge needle stuck 0:27:19.350 --> 0:27:23.070 into me. And she's like, who's with you? And I said, 0:27:23.990 --> 0:27:28.669 God is with me. And she's like, that's the best 0:27:28.670 --> 0:27:31.070 answer I've heard all day. Boom! 0:27:32.869 --> 0:27:33.350 Boom. 0:27:33.390 --> 0:27:35.750 And in that moment, it was like, yeah, God is 0:27:35.790 --> 0:27:39.629 with me on this table in this cold room with 0:27:39.630 --> 0:27:43.980 this needle. God is with me. What did you overcome? 0:27:44.140 --> 0:27:51.860 Because God was with you. 800 555 7898 800 555 7898. 0:27:52.820 --> 0:27:55.900 This is Carl and crew on Moody Radio. 0:27:56.420 --> 0:28:00.219 What did you overcome? Because God was with you. The 0:28:00.220 --> 0:28:04.460 success that David saw in his life as a mighty warrior, 0:28:04.500 --> 0:28:08.459 as a leader, as a musician, as a king, he 0:28:08.460 --> 0:28:12.100 was far from perfect. But the hallmark of his life, 0:28:12.100 --> 0:28:14.660 of his story, was that God was with him, that 0:28:14.660 --> 0:28:17.780 he sought the Lord. Uh, when he sought the Lord, 0:28:17.780 --> 0:28:20.340 he saw victory. It was when he did not seek 0:28:20.340 --> 0:28:23.180 the Lord that he struggled. I think that's the same 0:28:23.180 --> 0:28:26.020 is true of us. What have you been able to overcome? 0:28:26.020 --> 0:28:30.780 Because God was with you? 800 555 7898. Let's go 0:28:30.780 --> 0:28:33.860 to Christy calling in this morning from Washington. Christy. Uh, 0:28:33.859 --> 0:28:34.820 tell me your story. 0:28:36.380 --> 0:28:41.940 Yeah. Um, we were just starting 2020, the whole Covid stuff. 0:28:41.980 --> 0:28:45.700 And I was living in Arkansas at the time with 0:28:45.700 --> 0:28:47.940 my son, and I was not in a good place, 0:28:47.940 --> 0:28:51.140 not in a good relationship. And I had property in 0:28:51.140 --> 0:28:54.820 a little cabin back in Washington. And I just I 0:28:54.860 --> 0:28:56.660 prayed about it for a long time, and it was like, 0:28:56.660 --> 0:28:58.300 we need to go. We need to get out of 0:28:58.300 --> 0:29:00.820 this spot. We need to get back to our roots 0:29:00.820 --> 0:29:04.660 and go home. And it was just craziness with Covid. 0:29:04.900 --> 0:29:07.340 And I loaded up the truck and was getting ready 0:29:07.340 --> 0:29:09.300 to leave, and I got a call about a week 0:29:09.300 --> 0:29:13.580 before that, my house burned down and insurance wasn't going 0:29:13.620 --> 0:29:16.340 to cover it. I had no money, no job, like 0:29:16.340 --> 0:29:19.580 I think I had $2,000. Then my transmission went out 0:29:19.580 --> 0:29:22.020 in my truck and I just didn't know what I 0:29:22.020 --> 0:29:24.820 was going to do. I prayed and prayed and just, 0:29:24.860 --> 0:29:26.620 you know, I thought, you know, I still have to leave. 0:29:26.620 --> 0:29:28.900 I still have to go. I got my truck fixed. 0:29:28.940 --> 0:29:32.260 I was I was loaned some money from a relative, 0:29:32.540 --> 0:29:34.820 got my truck since we loaded up the truck and 0:29:34.820 --> 0:29:38.580 we left and made it across country during Covid. This 0:29:38.580 --> 0:29:40.570 was lockdowns, like right when lockdowns. 0:29:40.570 --> 0:29:41.010 Hit. 0:29:41.370 --> 0:29:44.690 And I'm driving with my son and we get to Washington, 0:29:44.690 --> 0:29:48.050 and I just was living in a tiny trailer on 0:29:48.050 --> 0:29:51.810 my property. No water, no power. It was just it 0:29:51.810 --> 0:29:53.770 was hard. And I just prayed. I said, what am 0:29:53.770 --> 0:29:55.730 I going to do? I have no money. I have 0:29:55.730 --> 0:29:58.530 no job. I have a two year old. And I 0:29:58.530 --> 0:30:01.690 met a contractor who lives right down the road. He 0:30:01.970 --> 0:30:07.130 volunteered to build my house and donated trusses for the 0:30:07.130 --> 0:30:08.890 roof because that's a big deal. The trusses are a 0:30:08.890 --> 0:30:12.810 big deal. Yeah. Donated trusses, donated his time, got together 0:30:12.810 --> 0:30:16.490 church work groups. And I just. It happened over that 0:30:16.490 --> 0:30:19.970 summer of Covid. 2020? Yeah, the money came. I got 0:30:20.010 --> 0:30:23.370 blessed with money. I mean, it was about $10,000 that 0:30:23.370 --> 0:30:26.170 I was blessed with, and it was just done. I 0:30:26.170 --> 0:30:29.530 got it done. I finished it over time. But the 0:30:29.570 --> 0:30:32.370 moral of it is the shell of the cabin was 0:30:32.370 --> 0:30:34.810 livable by the next winter, and I lived in a 0:30:34.810 --> 0:30:37.729 very harsh climate in northern Washington, in the mountains, at 0:30:37.770 --> 0:30:41.840 like 4000ft? So the snow comes early? I wouldn't have 0:30:41.840 --> 0:30:43.640 survived in that trailer with. 0:30:44.520 --> 0:30:47.680 Oh. Sorry, Kristy. I think we lost your connection a 0:30:47.680 --> 0:30:50.520 little bit. I think we got it, though. God was 0:30:50.560 --> 0:30:55.320 with you. Incredible story. Let's go to Heidi. Calling in 0:30:55.320 --> 0:30:58.040 this morning from Illinois. What did you overcome or what 0:30:58.040 --> 0:31:00.320 are you overcoming? Because God is with you. 0:31:01.000 --> 0:31:06.040 Okay. Three. About four years ago, my husband fell down 0:31:06.040 --> 0:31:11.000 the stairs from the first floor to down into the basement, 0:31:11.000 --> 0:31:16.680 and it was ten steps. And, uh, he he was 0:31:17.000 --> 0:31:21.320 knocked unconscious. And of course, he was in a very 0:31:21.320 --> 0:31:27.720 bad situation. I called 911. They took him to the hospital. 0:31:27.760 --> 0:31:30.960 It turned out to be he has a brain concussion 0:31:30.960 --> 0:31:36.080 and brain hemorrhage. And he lost memory. He couldn't open 0:31:36.080 --> 0:31:39.510 his eyes. He couldn't move and I was praying because 0:31:39.510 --> 0:31:42.790 I always I have a good relationship with Jesus and 0:31:42.790 --> 0:31:46.430 I always pray and ask for his assistance. He's my 0:31:47.190 --> 0:31:52.110 great physician and he really showed up really strong and 0:31:52.310 --> 0:31:55.910 and he helped my husband. Within three months, he was 0:31:55.910 --> 0:32:00.070 back to normal. And during the time that I was 0:32:00.710 --> 0:32:04.070 with him in the hospital, people from church that I 0:32:04.070 --> 0:32:08.510 really don't know came and and did the shopping for us, 0:32:08.510 --> 0:32:14.590 and they brought us meals and I was more than blessed. Yeah, thanks. 0:32:14.870 --> 0:32:19.030 All thanks to Jesus, the Great Physician. My best friend 0:32:19.030 --> 0:32:19.870 and my hero. 0:32:19.910 --> 0:32:23.989 Amen, Heidi. Wow. You got to see God move. And 0:32:23.990 --> 0:32:26.830 you got to see him move through his people, the 0:32:26.830 --> 0:32:30.310 body of Christ surrounding you. Uh, sweet little element to 0:32:30.350 --> 0:32:32.950 that story. Thank you so much for your call. Let's 0:32:32.950 --> 0:32:36.470 go to Linda. First time caller from Wisconsin. What has 0:32:36.470 --> 0:32:39.580 God enabled you to overcome because he was with you? 0:32:40.940 --> 0:32:46.100 Good morning. Your story just recently about the needle and 0:32:47.020 --> 0:32:50.740 I had met I've had many, many, uh, healings or 0:32:50.780 --> 0:32:53.340 feelings like this before, but I had I had to 0:32:53.340 --> 0:32:56.060 have a heart cath. And everybody kept telling me, oh, 0:32:56.180 --> 0:32:59.219 they're going to go. That's going to be painful. I'm like, oh, no, 0:32:59.220 --> 0:33:00.740 I trust God. He's going to be with me. He's 0:33:00.740 --> 0:33:02.780 always with me. And so I went in for the 0:33:02.780 --> 0:33:05.540 test and, um, still not knowing. I never read the 0:33:05.540 --> 0:33:08.140 papers or nothing. I just went in and I'm laying 0:33:08.140 --> 0:33:09.620 there and I felt like when they had me on 0:33:09.620 --> 0:33:12.940 the table, I was on this huge pillow, just huge pillow, 0:33:12.940 --> 0:33:14.180 and somebody was holding me. 0:33:14.220 --> 0:33:14.700 Wow. 0:33:14.940 --> 0:33:17.980 Big arms wrapped around me. And I was like, wow, God, 0:33:18.020 --> 0:33:20.700 you're okay, we're going to do this. And the doctor said, okay, 0:33:20.740 --> 0:33:22.780 I'm going to go in there. I'm like, okay. And 0:33:22.780 --> 0:33:24.700 I mean, you're awake, you know, all the time. And 0:33:24.700 --> 0:33:27.420 she's going and talking and I'm thinking, this is amazing. 0:33:27.460 --> 0:33:29.580 I'm just, oh, this is so fun. And I mean, 0:33:29.620 --> 0:33:31.580 I'm just laying here. And so then I hear her say, well, 0:33:31.580 --> 0:33:32.660 you have to I have to get to that one 0:33:32.660 --> 0:33:34.820 spot once more, I think I saw I'm like, oh, okay. 0:33:34.860 --> 0:33:38.220 She's I'm thinking my heart there in my heart. It's 0:33:38.220 --> 0:33:40.740 right down. Like so many inches from I feel like 0:33:40.740 --> 0:33:44.140 across the room I didn't. I'm like, wow, this is amazing. 0:33:44.140 --> 0:33:46.900 So I get done and then, okay, I'm coming out now. 0:33:46.900 --> 0:33:49.500 She's like, okay, everything's fine. There's no blocks or nothing. 0:33:49.540 --> 0:33:52.780 So okay, thank you. Okay. I'm a man like, wow. 0:33:52.820 --> 0:33:54.980 And the people around me were like like I was 0:33:54.980 --> 0:33:57.180 on drugs. They don't give you nothing. I mean, and 0:33:57.180 --> 0:33:59.420 I'm just sitting there and I'm like, so I said 0:33:59.420 --> 0:34:03.140 that was, wow, they're fast. And they're like, yeah, yeah. 0:34:03.940 --> 0:34:06.700 Linda, you're probably thinking, how in the world did I 0:34:06.700 --> 0:34:11.140 just go through something like that? And I have peace. 0:34:11.140 --> 0:34:14.060 I don't have a crazy amount of pain. Yeah. I'm 0:34:14.060 --> 0:34:16.420 sure people around you were going, what in the world 0:34:16.460 --> 0:34:20.460 is going on? Awesome, awesome. Sweet calls this morning. Uh, 0:34:20.460 --> 0:34:22.780 a lot of a lot of pain in the calls. 0:34:22.780 --> 0:34:27.180 But the promise and the assurance of God being with us. Yeah, 0:34:27.219 --> 0:34:28.460 it's so encouraging. 0:34:28.500 --> 0:34:31.180 Yeah. I mean, the some of the situations that are 0:34:31.180 --> 0:34:35.219 talked about in my own earthly self, I can't, I 0:34:35.370 --> 0:34:37.569 can't even comprehend it. I'm like, well, how did how 0:34:37.570 --> 0:34:39.450 did you get through it? How did you deal with that? 0:34:39.450 --> 0:34:41.410 I can just imagine breaking down, but. 0:34:41.410 --> 0:34:44.049 There's not a single situation we heard this morning. Does 0:34:44.050 --> 0:34:45.290 anyone ever want to be in? 0:34:45.330 --> 0:34:49.730 No, of course not. But God gives us the peace 0:34:49.730 --> 0:34:53.530 that surpasses understanding. He. He has it all. He holds 0:34:53.530 --> 0:34:56.129 it all in his hands. And even when stuff is 0:34:56.130 --> 0:34:59.530 really scary, he's still got it. We can still trust. 0:34:59.530 --> 0:35:02.450 Him and keep sharing these stories, people, because I can't 0:35:02.450 --> 0:35:06.970 imagine going through any of these situations without that hope. 0:35:07.090 --> 0:35:11.210 Let's go to Laurie calling in from Chicago. Uh, tell me, 0:35:11.210 --> 0:35:14.530 what's something that you have overcome because God was with you. 0:35:16.450 --> 0:35:19.890 We lost our three and a half year old grandson 0:35:19.890 --> 0:35:24.450 to a drowning while we were babysitting for him. Oh, 0:35:25.010 --> 0:35:31.250 and it it is the most horrible thing. Horrible thing ever. 0:35:31.890 --> 0:35:36.640 And I know I'm forgiven by God and I and 0:35:36.800 --> 0:35:41.240 and I cling to his love and strength through this. 0:35:41.239 --> 0:35:47.640 Because it was 19, 20 months ago and it's still 0:35:47.920 --> 0:35:52.680 so hard. But I know he's with Jesus, and in 0:35:52.719 --> 0:36:00.080 eternity we will be together. But without God, I. Wouldn't have. 0:36:00.239 --> 0:36:02.799 I wouldn't be walking. Stuffing. 0:36:03.400 --> 0:36:07.560 Yeah. Oh, that's Lori, thank you so much for your 0:36:07.560 --> 0:36:11.879 call this morning. Man. You don't even have words to 0:36:11.920 --> 0:36:13.879 to put to something like that. 0:36:13.920 --> 0:36:16.160 I can't, I can't even imagine. I can't. 0:36:16.600 --> 0:36:20.440 But the getting through it with God, that's not just 0:36:20.440 --> 0:36:24.560 a trite, throwaway statement. No it's not. And our callers 0:36:24.560 --> 0:36:28.000 have illustrated that this morning that in the depths of 0:36:28.000 --> 0:36:34.310 whatever pain, whatever sorrow, whatever heartbreak, whatever tragedy, the unthinkable. 0:36:34.790 --> 0:36:38.830 The promise of God's presence gives us great comfort because 0:36:38.830 --> 0:36:41.149 we we just we don't know what a day holds. 0:36:41.150 --> 0:36:44.629 We don't know what tomorrow holds, but we know we 0:36:44.630 --> 0:36:49.350 have him. We know we have him. Yeah. Hold on 0:36:49.390 --> 0:36:53.030 to God today. Cling to Jesus. Let's go to Tobin. 0:36:53.030 --> 0:36:56.990 Calling in this morning from Davis Junction. Go ahead. Tobin, 0:36:56.989 --> 0:36:59.990 what did you overcome? Because God was with you. 0:37:01.190 --> 0:37:06.950 My fear of this cancer that I acquired two years ago, 0:37:07.670 --> 0:37:12.150 that just came back. And it's only because I surrendered 0:37:12.790 --> 0:37:17.990 my will, my life, over to him. Now, I gave 0:37:17.989 --> 0:37:22.550 him to cancer. I said, Lord, this is your deal. 0:37:22.989 --> 0:37:26.229 You give it. You want me to have it? I'm 0:37:26.270 --> 0:37:28.910 good with it. But I'm going to let you take 0:37:28.910 --> 0:37:32.870 it all however you want me to deal with it. 0:37:33.430 --> 0:37:38.510 I'm fine. I'm not exempt from the pain. But just 0:37:38.510 --> 0:37:45.270 knowing that he's got me, he's got me and my cancer. 0:37:46.030 --> 0:37:50.430 That he's got me fully covered. Whatever he wants to do. 0:37:50.910 --> 0:37:56.270 Tobin from Davis Junction, man. Yeah, that's a powerful call. 0:37:56.310 --> 0:37:58.390 I love what he said. He said I'm not in 0:37:58.390 --> 0:38:01.630 a surrendering to God. I'm still not exempt to the 0:38:01.630 --> 0:38:06.670 pain that I experience. But. But God's got it, and 0:38:06.710 --> 0:38:09.190 I'm gonna surrender it to him. And the peace that 0:38:09.190 --> 0:38:12.190 comes through that. There's a reason that the Bible calls 0:38:12.190 --> 0:38:14.550 it peace that passes understanding. 0:38:14.670 --> 0:38:15.710 Peace that makes no sense. 0:38:15.710 --> 0:38:17.350 It's peace that makes no sense. 0:38:17.670 --> 0:38:21.830 Absolutely, man. Tobin, I want to. Jonathan, will you offer 0:38:21.830 --> 0:38:23.910 up a quick prayer for for Tobin? 0:38:23.950 --> 0:38:28.190 Absolutely. God, I thank you so much for a man 0:38:28.190 --> 0:38:31.549 like Tobin. I thank you so much that in the 0:38:31.550 --> 0:38:36.540 midst of difficulty and strife and pain. God, that you 0:38:36.540 --> 0:38:40.899 have given him a humility that trusts you, not his 0:38:40.900 --> 0:38:42.899 own ability to get out of things or to deal 0:38:42.900 --> 0:38:45.540 with things. But Lord, knowing that he can't deal with 0:38:45.540 --> 0:38:49.900 things and that you can. God, thank you for filling 0:38:49.900 --> 0:38:54.300 him with that peace, with that trust. God, I pray, 0:38:54.739 --> 0:38:56.899 along with the entire boom crew right now, that you 0:38:56.900 --> 0:38:59.500 would heal Tobin. Yes, I pray that you would take 0:38:59.500 --> 0:39:03.339 this cancer away. Lord. You can. I believe that you can. 0:39:03.340 --> 0:39:08.140 I believe that you are able. So God please do. Lord, 0:39:08.140 --> 0:39:11.100 we take our requests and we ultimately present them to you, 0:39:11.100 --> 0:39:16.420 asking that your will be done. Lord, whether you heal him, 0:39:16.420 --> 0:39:19.140 whether you allow him to continue to have it. God, 0:39:19.140 --> 0:39:20.980 I pray that you would let his life be a 0:39:20.980 --> 0:39:24.980 testimony to others and a testimony to himself. Lord, of 0:39:24.980 --> 0:39:26.739 how you've worked in him and how you have been 0:39:26.739 --> 0:39:30.260 there for him. Lord. Be so present with Tobin right now. 0:39:30.739 --> 0:39:32.260 In Jesus name I pray. Amen. 0:39:32.300 --> 0:39:32.820 Amen.