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S2: Coming to you live from the call of Hope studio.

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S3: So I got a question from my buddy Ali.

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S4: Yes. What you got?

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S3: How you doing on phone usage time per week.

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S4: Well.

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S3: That's a.

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S4: Horrible. Did you have to ask that? Hey. All right.

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S4: I mean.

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S3: You know why I'm asking it.

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S4: Why are you asking it?

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S3: Because I got a good report last week.

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S4: Oh. Did you.

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S3: Mine was.

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S4: Down.

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S3: Mine was down 50% from the week before.

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S4: That's good. I mine has definitely not been down 50%.

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S4: With all of the holiday shopping and the things that

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S4: need to happen around this time of year. Mine's definitely up.

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S3: Yeah. And and the looking at Instagram every now and

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S3: then for sure. Do you, do you? Do you? What

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S3: do you what platforms do you check out? Instagram. Boy, we're.

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S4: Just we're just really going after this. Um, I mean,

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S3: We have a we have a presence there with Carl

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S4: Yeah. And then, I mean, I'm, I maintain a couple

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S4: Work. Yeah.

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S4: So some work, some pleasure. But lots of phone use

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S3: Yeah. And it's funny to me, one of the phenomenons

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S3: I said it the other day. She's my latest one

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S3: And you know, she's lining up her ducks for how

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S3: is we have so retrained ourselves, guys, that's how the

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S3: And if you needed to make a phone call, you

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S4: But they definitely don't have that as an option anymore.

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S3: Okay, so you're right on that one. See, that option's gone.

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S3: Or are there still some out there?

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S4: I don't see too many payphones hanging around anywhere. Those

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S3: Okay, so we gotta ask, uh, Arlene a couple questions.

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S3: When's the last time you saw a payphone? And how

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S4: Come on, you want to put other people on the

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S3: Besides you and myself, I put you on the spot

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S4: Mine's down. How are you doing?

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S4: How kind of you.

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S3: That helps. Arlene. Pelican coming up.

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S2: Your spiritual pit stop to keep you going in the race.

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S3: So we got our guests with us. Should I pop

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S3: All right, Arlene, I got a pop one on you here.

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S3: I'm very afraid. Very afraid. I should be afraid. Here's

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S3: the deal, Arlene. Pelican, our guest right now. We'll do

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S5: Okay, so I have my daily average is actually pretty impressive.

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S5: I'm, I'm pretty good at like, okay, let me send

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S3: Hold it. I got a follow up. How did you

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S3: Jesus said it, Arlene, where your treasure is, there your

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S4: Well, I remember a line from a movie that said,

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S3: behaviors in our life, and we wonder, why aren't those

447
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S3: things changing? And I we've all had that experience. Sure.

448
00:21:26,890 --> 00:21:30,770
S3: I mean, it's like, why? Why aren't my behaviors changing

449
00:21:31,690 --> 00:21:40,550
S3: in my Spiritual contention is that the impetus for change

450
00:21:41,670 --> 00:21:50,190
S3: is oftentimes a burning desire for something richer than what

451
00:21:50,190 --> 00:21:55,510
S3: we're settling for. Okay. And you might say, well, can

452
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S3: that really govern our behavior? Uh, what we feel, what

453
00:22:00,990 --> 00:22:05,550
S3: we think. And the answer is, I believe, absolutely, 100%

454
00:22:05,590 --> 00:22:08,709
S3: it comes out of a story that Jesus told, and

455
00:22:08,710 --> 00:22:10,590
S3: it's a great one. He talks about the kingdom of

456
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S3: God being like this guy who goes to this field,

457
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S3: and he digs up this treasure, and he and he

458
00:22:17,790 --> 00:22:22,070
S3: finds this treasure, and he's so blown away by the treasure.

459
00:22:22,070 --> 00:22:26,030
S3: Now the kingdom of God represents God and all that.

460
00:22:26,030 --> 00:22:30,790
S3: He is in this nucleus of dynamism. That is the

461
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S3: spiritual life. This life hidden in Christ. And what does

462
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S3: he do when he sees the kingdom of God for

463
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S3: all that it is? The parable goes on that he

464
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S3: goes back home and he sells everything he has just

465
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S3: to get that field with the treasure in it. I mean, everything.

466
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S3: And the the big idea of that passage is this

467
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S3: simple and this profound that when we have a boiling

468
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S3: in our belly to not only be found in Christ,

469
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S3: but take hold of all the life that is found

470
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S3: in the kingdom of God. It's the old refrain, and

471
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S3: the things of earth will grow strangely dim in the

472
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S3: light of his glory and grace. And it's a powerful thing.

473
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S3: When we can, we can pause for a moment in

474
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S3: the circumstances in which we live, the things that drive us,

475
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S3: the things that fill our calendars, the things that we purchase.

476
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S3: And we just stop for a moment and we do

477
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S3: a compare and contrast with the kingdom of God, which

478
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S3: is so counter-intuitive from the kingdom of this world.

479
00:23:50,820 --> 00:23:51,260
S4: Yes.

480
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S3: And then be so enthralled with the kingdom of God.

481
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S3: My my supposition is this. And it's based on the

482
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S3: scriptures that oftentimes the greatest remedy for behavior. So let's

483
00:24:06,820 --> 00:24:11,500
S3: go back to Arlene, using our phones too much. If

484
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S3: we look at phone usage or even in our kids.

485
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S3: So let's pressure test this in our grandkids or others

486
00:24:19,820 --> 00:24:21,980
S3: around us, because it's easier for us to think about

487
00:24:22,020 --> 00:24:26,980
S3: others and ourselves sometimes. But if we think if we

488
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S3: think about no, I need to give my kid or

489
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S3: grandkid or others and let's go with ourselves here. A big, holy,

490
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S3: audacious vision. I need a renewed, audacious vision of kingdom

491
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S3: living that is the full stop greatest remedy. Better than

492
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S3: any kind of behavior modification we could possibly do.

493
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S4: And, you know, I think most would agree with you.

494
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S4: And I think what the challenge is, is sometimes there's

495
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S4: the gap between what we desire, what we say that

496
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S4: we want for ourselves and what we actually habits and

497
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S4: things that kind of go into a loop where there's

498
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S4: not even like a lot of thought put to it.

499
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S4: It's just kind of like one day flows into the

500
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S4: next day, flows into the next day, and then Sunday

501
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S4: to Sunday and oh, we're end at the end of

502
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S4: another year. And, you know, for a lot of people,

503
00:25:23,230 --> 00:25:25,030
S4: you come to the end of the year and you

504
00:25:25,030 --> 00:25:29,350
S4: feel a great sense of boy like I started January

505
00:25:29,350 --> 00:25:33,730
S4: 2025 with high hopes this year was going to be

506
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S4: the year that, you know, I.

507
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S3: Get off this or.

508
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S4: This or this about me changed, and then you can

509
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S4: find yourself frustrated and and feeling really discouraged.

510
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S3: Yeah. Don't be discouraged. So here's the greatest gift John

511
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S3: Piper has given to the evangelical movement in the world.

512
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S3: Greatest gift. It's a tweak on the Westminster Confession, and

513
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S3: it is this God is most glorified in us as

514
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S3: we are most satisfied in him. In fact, I want

515
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S3: to go back to something that John Piper told Greg Dempster,

516
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S3: our guest on Monday, yesterday. What day is today? Tuesday.

517
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S6: Tuesday. Tuesday.

518
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S3: Yesterday. Um, Greg Dempster was talking to John Piper when

519
00:26:22,730 --> 00:26:26,330
S3: we had first started doing ministry together, Greg and I,

520
00:26:26,330 --> 00:26:28,820
S3: about three decades ago, and he had a moment with

521
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S3: John Piper at a big conference. I forget where it was,

522
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S3: I think Atlanta. And he said, John, what would you

523
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S3: say to me? We're ministering to a growing, robust group

524
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S3: of single adults. How can we best help them? What

525
00:26:44,500 --> 00:26:48,740
S3: do you give me? He said, enthrall their minds with

526
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S3: the grandeur and the power of God. So what he's

527
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S3: saying is, show them that the treasure in the field

528
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S3: is worth everything. And that's the greatest gift John Piper

529
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S3: has given, without a doubt. Because in so much as

530
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S3: our vision of God's kingdom, living is grand, uh, we

531
00:27:09,580 --> 00:27:13,660
S3: are going to have a healthier pursuit of getting rid

532
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S3: of stuff in our life, tweaking stuff in our life.

533
00:27:17,660 --> 00:27:21,060
S3: Because with a small vision of God, we're left with,

534
00:27:21,940 --> 00:27:26,240
S3: we're left with behavior modification that falls into the I

535
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S3: should category, right? Ali.

536
00:27:28,160 --> 00:27:30,840
S4: Absolutely. I should, like you said with the phone, I

537
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S4: should really be on my phone less. I should not

538
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S4: be on Facebook so much.

539
00:27:36,560 --> 00:27:40,760
S3: Yeah, I love talking about this stuff because this is

540
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S3: this is the gospel. I mean, why else would the

541
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S3: disciples go all the way to there, in many cases,

542
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S3: horrific deaths, if not for a grand vision of the

543
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S3: kingdom life? And the answer is it would be impossible.

544
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S3: I mean, why in the world would you die for

545
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S3: someone that you aren't fully enthralled with the life that

546
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S3: is found in him?

547
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S4: You wouldn't and fully convinced that? You know, I think

548
00:28:11,920 --> 00:28:14,840
S4: of when when Peter asked when Jesus said, are you

549
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S4: going to are you going to go to? And he says, where?

550
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S4: Where else? Where would we go? You have the words

551
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S4: of eternal life.

552
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S3: Okay. Exactly. Ali. That's exactly it. So in an instant,

553
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S3: Peter perused the gods of this world. He perused all

554
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S3: the years of fishing. Probably very few years of fishing,

555
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S3: because he was a young man when he followed Jesus.

556
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S3: And he's like, no, I'm all in with Jesus.

557
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S4: Where else would I go?

558
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S3: Where? Where else would I go? The life, the kingdom,

559
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S3: life that you've shown me far surpasses anything. And so,

560
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S3: coming up here in a few minutes, we're going to

561
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S3: talk with Doctor Winfred Neely. And I'm going to noodle

562
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S3: on this one with him, because a lot of the

563
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S3: worry and angst that we have, if you listen closely

564
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S3: to his story as he comes on here, numbers of times,

565
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S3: if if you look closely at his story, you're seeing

566
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S3: a man that wrestles with God down to the mat

567
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S3: and says, there is none but you, God none but you,

568
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S3: and your kingdom is worth it all. Oh, if we

569
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S3: can enthrall our minds with God that way. Right?

570
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S4: Yes. Yeah. I mean, this is a it's beautiful to

571
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S4: paint this picture and remind us of what's possible, especially

572
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S4: in this, in this season where we sing about him,

573
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S4: we talk about him, we give gifts in his name.

574
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S4: But man, are we enthralled. Are our hearts enthralled with him?

575
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S4: The one that we celebrate in this season?

576
00:29:50,030 --> 00:29:52,310
S3: Yeah. Doctor Winfred Neely, straight ahead.

577
00:29:52,950 --> 00:29:56,950
S2: Walking closer to Jesus every day. You're listening to Carl

578
00:29:56,950 --> 00:29:57,550
S2: and crew.

579
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S3: It's been a really good morning here. And it's a

580
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S3: beautiful thing when we begin to look at the scriptures

581
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S3: and we begin to see things that are so much

582
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S3: deeper and more profound than surface issues. And one of

583
00:30:16,150 --> 00:30:18,790
S3: the things that the Lord has hit me with today

584
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S3: is that God is more interested in conforming us into

585
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S3: the image of this conquering child who came 2000 years ago,

586
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S3: then he is delivering us from our situations knowing that

587
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S3: I mean goodness sakes. James 1234. We love to refer

588
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S3: to here often, but also we find in Romans chapter eight,

589
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S3: verse 28, and following that, the Spirit of God helps

590
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S3: us in our weakness. And then it goes on to say,

591
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S3: because any text out of context is pretext. God knows

592
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S3: all things that work together for good, for those who

593
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S3: love him, because he predestined us to be conformed to

594
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S3: the image of His Son. And the question is, what

595
00:31:04,290 --> 00:31:07,450
S3: do we do when we're stuck in situations and even

596
00:31:07,450 --> 00:31:13,730
S3: in worrisome circumstances? And the answer that we find over

597
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S3: and over again in Scripture is stay enthralled with this

598
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S3: great God, in this kingdom life, so that you don't

599
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S3: lose your mind in the middle of it all. Should

600
00:31:24,300 --> 00:31:26,660
S3: the Lord tarry in giving us relief? Right?

601
00:31:26,860 --> 00:31:28,860
S4: Absolutely. We want to bring in a special guest, Doctor

602
00:31:28,860 --> 00:31:33,660
S4: Winfred Neely, a newly retired vice president and academic dean

603
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S4: of Moody Theological Seminary. You know, as we were talking,

604
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S4: Doctor Neely, this morning, I was reminded of one aspect

605
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S4: of your testimony. I've gotten to hear it at length,

606
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S4: but I want you to take us back to a

607
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S4: moment where you were, I believe, 19 years old. You

608
00:31:48,700 --> 00:31:50,980
S4: were on an Army base. I believe you were out

609
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S4: at some sort of party or some sort of nightlife

610
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S4: kind of thing. And I remember you telling me that

611
00:31:57,300 --> 00:32:00,660
S4: there was an existential question that you were hit with

612
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S4: in that moment. And for some reason this morning, that's

613
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S4: what popped in my mind. Do you know the moment

614
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S4: that I'm talking about and the question that you wrestled

615
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S4: with Doctor Neely?

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S7: I do quite and I thank you so very, very

617
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S7: much for reminding me of that. Good morning, Colonel. And Ali,

618
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S7: thank you so much for reminding me. I've often had

619
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S7: to say to myself that sometimes God's people need to

620
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S7: be reminded more than they need to be informed, and

621
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S7: we forget so easily. Yes, I remember that night I

622
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S7: was I was in the United States Army. I was

623
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S7: in the, um, in an army, a nightclub that they

624
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S7: had for soldiers on the base at Fort Sam Houston, Texas.

625
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S7: The music was loud, the glasses were clinking, and, uh,

626
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S7: men and women were on the dance floor, just just

627
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S7: doing it up. And I was sitting back in a

628
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S7: corner and it was dark. And a thought came to me,

629
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S7: a very troubling thought, a disturbing thought, but it jarred

630
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S7: me deeply. And I was only 19 years old, and

631
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S7: the thought was this there's got to be more to

632
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S7: life than this. This couldn't possibly be it. I mean, I, I,

633
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S7: I go to school like I get married. I, I

634
00:33:21,130 --> 00:33:25,290
S7: get an education and I have kids. And death is

635
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S7: hanging over all of this. All of it. And if

636
00:33:30,250 --> 00:33:33,210
S7: this is what life is, it's a big joke. And

637
00:33:33,210 --> 00:33:36,250
S7: it's not really, really funny. And that was one of

638
00:33:36,250 --> 00:33:39,450
S7: the things that put me, uh, deep in my, my

639
00:33:39,490 --> 00:33:42,450
S7: quest for, for the Lord Jesus when I eventually came

640
00:33:42,450 --> 00:33:45,450
S7: to trust him as my personal Lord and Savior. Thank

641
00:33:45,450 --> 00:33:47,050
S7: you so much for that question.

642
00:33:47,090 --> 00:33:50,090
S3: You know, Winfred, the Lord's doing something in my heart

643
00:33:50,090 --> 00:33:52,290
S3: this morning that, in fact, I was talking with the

644
00:33:52,290 --> 00:33:57,610
S3: team here earlier in all of these behavior modification things.

645
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S3: And we're going to talk about worry with you. And

646
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S3: I don't want to diminish worry. We have untold thousands

647
00:34:03,250 --> 00:34:06,010
S3: upon thousands of people listening right now that are very

648
00:34:06,010 --> 00:34:10,770
S3: concerned about something. But the thing that struck me is that,

649
00:34:10,810 --> 00:34:13,529
S3: and it fits with your story, is that if we

650
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S3: can just sit back in the in the shadows here

651
00:34:17,790 --> 00:34:21,430
S3: just a moment and allow the Lord to enthrall our

652
00:34:21,430 --> 00:34:27,270
S3: mind with something more. The kingdom of God. His enthrall

653
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S3: our minds with his presence, his awesome power, his goodness

654
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S3: toward his children. It seems to me that sometimes, and

655
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S3: I'm going to take myself sometimes when I've worried the

656
00:34:40,430 --> 00:34:45,430
S3: Kingdom vision that I have has shrunk to small. Speak

657
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S3: to that for a moment.

658
00:34:46,989 --> 00:34:51,109
S7: Yeah, well, you know, it's so true. You know, I

659
00:34:51,150 --> 00:34:53,669
S7: think that's one of the Psalms says he remembers that

660
00:34:53,670 --> 00:34:56,790
S7: we are just dust. And of course, we're much, much

661
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S7: more than that. Creating an image of God, so forth

662
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S7: and so on. But I am absolutely amazed at how

663
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S7: quickly we can get off kilter, no matter how long

664
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S7: we walk with God, no matter how deep we are

665
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S7: in Jesus, no matter how many years we have preached.

666
00:35:16,210 --> 00:35:19,489
S7: I can still hear my wife's grandfather saying. And then

667
00:35:19,489 --> 00:35:23,810
S7: some little temptation, some little test comes along and throws

668
00:35:23,810 --> 00:35:28,170
S7: you off kilter. And you find yourself obsessed and and

669
00:35:28,210 --> 00:35:31,290
S7: going back and forth in the middle of a battle,

670
00:35:31,489 --> 00:35:34,089
S7: and the kingdom of God is eclipsed in our own

671
00:35:34,090 --> 00:35:37,250
S7: hearts and minds. And this is why we really need

672
00:35:37,450 --> 00:35:40,370
S7: this program. For example, Carl, I have no doubt that

673
00:35:40,370 --> 00:35:43,169
S7: there are a lot of people like that at that

674
00:35:43,170 --> 00:35:46,650
S7: place right now as we speak. And what people need

675
00:35:46,690 --> 00:35:50,810
S7: is kind of a catalytic reminder, something to help you

676
00:35:50,810 --> 00:35:54,489
S7: remember what God has done in your life. Someone said

677
00:35:54,489 --> 00:35:58,089
S7: it this way do not forget in the darkness what

678
00:35:58,090 --> 00:36:00,810
S7: God has shown you in the light. You just gotta

679
00:36:00,810 --> 00:36:05,370
S7: remember the goodness of God and how incredibly good he's

680
00:36:05,370 --> 00:36:09,170
S7: been to us. And. And then we find ourselves renewed

681
00:36:09,610 --> 00:36:13,250
S7: in our faith as he, as our memories are, jogged

682
00:36:13,250 --> 00:36:15,380
S7: back to faith and hope once again.

683
00:36:15,660 --> 00:36:18,379
S4: Doctor Winfred Neely, our guest right now. I don't want

684
00:36:18,420 --> 00:36:21,500
S4: to leave people hanging with your story. Tell us how

685
00:36:22,020 --> 00:36:24,820
S4: the you know, the condensed version, obviously, but how much

686
00:36:24,820 --> 00:36:27,980
S4: longer was it past that night at 19 years old,

687
00:36:27,980 --> 00:36:30,460
S4: where you had to wrestle with that question? Did you

688
00:36:30,460 --> 00:36:34,140
S4: feel like you had an answer to to. There's got

689
00:36:34,140 --> 00:36:35,700
S4: to be more to life than this.

690
00:36:35,980 --> 00:36:39,660
S7: My mother had exposed me to church and to the

691
00:36:39,700 --> 00:36:44,900
S7: into the gospel. It wasn't really a full blown understanding

692
00:36:44,900 --> 00:36:48,860
S7: of the gospel, but I knew in some sense that

693
00:36:48,860 --> 00:36:51,620
S7: I knew that the Lord Jesus was the answer. I

694
00:36:51,660 --> 00:36:56,219
S7: just didn't know. I didn't know the gospel. No one

695
00:36:56,219 --> 00:37:00,379
S7: had ever told me that God loved me. And when

696
00:37:00,380 --> 00:37:03,020
S7: I knew that, but that I didn't know that Jesus

697
00:37:03,020 --> 00:37:06,420
S7: died on the cross for me and that I had

698
00:37:06,420 --> 00:37:10,540
S7: to trust him as my personal Lord and Savior, something

699
00:37:10,540 --> 00:37:16,200
S7: that was so simple, but yet that is so momentous

700
00:37:16,200 --> 00:37:20,880
S7: and eternal and implication that Jesus died on the cross

701
00:37:20,880 --> 00:37:24,040
S7: for me. I cannot work my way to heaven. I

702
00:37:24,040 --> 00:37:27,840
S7: have to trust him as my personal Lord and Savior.

703
00:37:27,880 --> 00:37:32,879
S7: Receive him into my heart by faith. And God would

704
00:37:32,880 --> 00:37:36,240
S7: give me the gift of eternal life. Just that little

705
00:37:36,239 --> 00:37:39,840
S7: truth is going to be catalytic in my life for

706
00:37:39,840 --> 00:37:42,400
S7: all time and for all eternity. Yeah.

707
00:37:42,440 --> 00:37:47,200
S3: How how important is it, even with worry for those

708
00:37:47,200 --> 00:37:51,640
S3: that are redeemed, to go back to the simple gospel

709
00:37:52,360 --> 00:37:57,759
S3: that God loves me and if I trust him today,

710
00:37:58,080 --> 00:38:01,440
S3: he knows those things that I'm wringing my hands over.

711
00:38:01,440 --> 00:38:04,560
S3: He's as good today as he was in the shadows

712
00:38:04,560 --> 00:38:07,480
S3: of that bar scene that you painted, my friend.

713
00:38:08,080 --> 00:38:11,680
S7: I found simple the mechanics of the spiritual life are

714
00:38:11,770 --> 00:38:16,609
S7: not difficult, but trusting God can be a battle. If

715
00:38:16,610 --> 00:38:19,009
S7: I'm going to be honest, here's the thing God is

716
00:38:19,010 --> 00:38:23,049
S7: more interested in stretching our faith muscles than he is

717
00:38:23,050 --> 00:38:26,210
S7: in making us happy. Yes, we are going to have

718
00:38:26,210 --> 00:38:28,569
S7: to get. He will allow us to get to the

719
00:38:28,570 --> 00:38:32,210
S7: point where either we're going to trust him or we're

720
00:38:32,210 --> 00:38:35,649
S7: going to go down, you know, and either we're going

721
00:38:35,690 --> 00:38:37,609
S7: to trust him or we're going to go down. I'm

722
00:38:37,610 --> 00:38:39,729
S7: going to have to take God at His word. I

723
00:38:39,730 --> 00:38:44,370
S7: can't trust my feelings. I can't trust my impressions. I can't, uh,

724
00:38:44,370 --> 00:38:46,969
S7: get on board with popular culture. I'm just going to

725
00:38:46,969 --> 00:38:49,890
S7: have to look at the Bible and it's plain, normal,

726
00:38:49,890 --> 00:38:53,610
S7: clear sense and take God at His word come hell

727
00:38:53,610 --> 00:38:55,330
S7: or high water, even if I have to die in

728
00:38:55,330 --> 00:38:59,690
S7: the process. And yet, that's where victory is found.

729
00:38:59,850 --> 00:39:00,210
S6: Wow.

730
00:39:00,370 --> 00:39:03,049
S4: Doctor Winfred Neely, I wrote that down. I want to

731
00:39:03,050 --> 00:39:04,930
S4: make sure I captured it. You said the mechanics of

732
00:39:04,930 --> 00:39:09,009
S4: the spiritual life are simple, but trusting God is hard. And,

733
00:39:09,010 --> 00:39:11,670
S4: you know, sometimes we can feel like I'm I'm doing

734
00:39:11,670 --> 00:39:14,270
S4: I'm going through the things that I'm reading my Bible,

735
00:39:14,270 --> 00:39:16,910
S4: I'm praying, I'm going to small group and I'm going

736
00:39:16,950 --> 00:39:20,509
S4: to church. But yeah, that crisis hits your life and

737
00:39:20,510 --> 00:39:22,589
S4: you go, but, but God, maybe I don't trust you

738
00:39:22,590 --> 00:39:24,589
S4: as much as I thought I did, despite all the

739
00:39:24,630 --> 00:39:26,509
S4: all all my Bible study and my prayer.

740
00:39:26,910 --> 00:39:29,430
S7: Well, yeah. Well, you know, I, I teach a class

741
00:39:29,790 --> 00:39:32,750
S7: at Moody Bible. I just finished it up called A

742
00:39:32,790 --> 00:39:37,190
S7: Biblical Interpretation, helping students learn how to read Scripture better,

743
00:39:37,190 --> 00:39:40,069
S7: to handle the Scripture in ways that are that are

744
00:39:40,070 --> 00:39:43,469
S7: wise and careful so that they're able to discover the

745
00:39:43,469 --> 00:39:46,390
S7: meaning of God's Word in Scripture. But one of the

746
00:39:46,390 --> 00:39:50,390
S7: things I tell them is life will test your interpretations.

747
00:39:51,150 --> 00:39:51,910
S7: If you say.

748
00:39:52,870 --> 00:39:54,470
S4: Oh boy, is that true?

749
00:39:55,070 --> 00:39:58,029
S7: You say, you believe this about God. You believe the

750
00:39:58,030 --> 00:40:00,950
S7: Bible says this something that life is going to come

751
00:40:00,950 --> 00:40:02,710
S7: along and it's going to test that.

752
00:40:02,750 --> 00:40:03,190
S3: Yeah.

753
00:40:03,430 --> 00:40:06,790
S7: Do you really believe that? See, and you know you

754
00:40:06,790 --> 00:40:09,029
S7: know what? I can still I don't know what he's

755
00:40:09,120 --> 00:40:12,200
S7: coming to me now. My wife's grandfather and I can

756
00:40:12,200 --> 00:40:15,000
S7: still hear him looking at me and saying to me, Neeley,

757
00:40:15,320 --> 00:40:21,760
S7: if we really, truly believed that there is a real, live, literal, tangible,

758
00:40:21,800 --> 00:40:25,360
S7: touchable man at the right hand of God and glory

759
00:40:25,360 --> 00:40:28,600
S7: with the march of Calvary and His own peerless person,

760
00:40:28,800 --> 00:40:32,560
S7: our lives would be radically different. And so I say,

761
00:40:32,560 --> 00:40:36,239
S7: our unbelief can get chronic. We have to trust God.

762
00:40:36,280 --> 00:40:40,640
S3: Yeah. Doctor Neeley, I want to thank you. What an

763
00:40:40,640 --> 00:40:45,479
S3: amazing few moments here before the Lord enthrall your mind

764
00:40:45,480 --> 00:40:50,640
S3: with the gospel again, friend, and a great work that

765
00:40:50,640 --> 00:40:53,799
S3: will help you along this path that will redirect your

766
00:40:53,800 --> 00:40:59,400
S3: focus is a work called How to Overcome Worry. Experiencing

767
00:40:59,400 --> 00:41:04,120
S3: the peace of God in every situation. Is it possible?

768
00:41:04,160 --> 00:41:08,220
S3: Pages of Scripture and our God speaks and says yes

769
00:41:08,219 --> 00:41:12,260
S3: it is. Just text the word worry. That's it. One

770
00:41:12,260 --> 00:41:14,299
S3: word you might say. That's easy. I know how to

771
00:41:14,300 --> 00:41:20,819
S3: spell it because I'm living it. Just worry to 800 555, 78,

772
00:41:20,860 --> 00:41:30,460
S3: 98 805 five, 578, 98. Enthrall your mind and trust

773
00:41:30,460 --> 00:41:33,780
S3: him again. He may not deliver you from what's wringing

774
00:41:33,780 --> 00:41:35,460
S3: your hands, but you will find him.

775
00:41:36,020 --> 00:41:39,020
S2: You're listening to Carl and crew on Moody Radio.

776
00:41:39,180 --> 00:41:42,219
S3: Things that you never, ever would have thought you would

777
00:41:42,260 --> 00:41:46,379
S3: have received or been doing, or maybe even gotten an

778
00:41:46,380 --> 00:41:52,940
S3: award when I think, uh, FBI Director's Award for community service.

779
00:41:53,500 --> 00:41:56,420
S3: You know what I see? I see a Hickey Freeman

780
00:41:56,420 --> 00:42:00,260
S3: suit or a Joseph Abboud suit. I see a tie,

781
00:42:00,739 --> 00:42:08,160
S3: I see. I, I might even see patent leather shoes.

782
00:42:09,400 --> 00:42:13,480
S3: I don't I don't see my buddy Chris. I don't

783
00:42:13,480 --> 00:42:16,279
S3: see you. You wouldn't have seen that either, would you?

784
00:42:16,320 --> 00:42:17,719
S3: Chris Baker, my man.

785
00:42:18,160 --> 00:42:21,399
S8: No, never would have. I mean, you know, Chuck Taylor's

786
00:42:21,440 --> 00:42:25,839
S8: Derrick Rose Bulls jersey, some Dickies shorts, maybe. But, no,

787
00:42:25,880 --> 00:42:28,040
S8: I never could have imagined that, brother.

788
00:42:29,040 --> 00:42:31,759
S3: Oh my goodness. It wasn't too just a couple of

789
00:42:31,760 --> 00:42:34,640
S3: years ago that he won the FBI Director's Award for

790
00:42:34,640 --> 00:42:37,800
S3: community service. So we've been asking our guests this week.

791
00:42:38,520 --> 00:42:40,680
S3: I don't even need to ask you this one, because

792
00:42:41,120 --> 00:42:43,680
S3: I think I know your story pretty well. But yeah,

793
00:42:43,680 --> 00:42:46,920
S3: I'm going to let you answer it. Without the incarnational

794
00:42:46,920 --> 00:42:50,080
S3: Jesus coming in and saving your soul, where would you

795
00:42:50,120 --> 00:42:50,840
S3: be today?

796
00:42:51,880 --> 00:42:54,560
S8: Not on this earth. Um, I mean, he saved my life,

797
00:42:54,560 --> 00:42:56,680
S8: pulled me out of a pit and dusted me off

798
00:42:56,680 --> 00:42:58,960
S8: and said, I'm going to. I'm going to turn you

799
00:42:58,960 --> 00:43:01,040
S8: into a new thing, and I'm going to put you

800
00:43:01,040 --> 00:43:04,480
S8: to work. And, you know, I can say with certainty,

801
00:43:04,520 --> 00:43:06,969
S8: I wouldn't be here on this planet today with my

802
00:43:06,969 --> 00:43:10,009
S8: amazing wife and kids and being able to wake up

803
00:43:10,010 --> 00:43:11,770
S8: every day and say that I get to go serve

804
00:43:11,770 --> 00:43:13,090
S8: the King of Kings today.

805
00:43:13,290 --> 00:43:16,610
S4: Chris Baker, our guest right now, he's the founder of Inc. 180,

806
00:43:16,650 --> 00:43:19,530
S4: which is an incredible ministry we're going to feature coming up. But,

807
00:43:19,570 --> 00:43:22,370
S4: you know, we we've described you a little bit based

808
00:43:22,370 --> 00:43:25,850
S4: on this award that you got your work removing branding

809
00:43:25,890 --> 00:43:30,210
S4: tattoos for sex trafficking survivors. This work is near and

810
00:43:30,210 --> 00:43:32,450
S4: dear to your heart. Do you feel like your heart?

811
00:43:32,610 --> 00:43:35,450
S4: Ever since the Lord redeemed you, has always been drawn

812
00:43:35,450 --> 00:43:40,290
S4: to those who are maybe overlooked or considered outcast by

813
00:43:40,489 --> 00:43:41,890
S4: the broader society?

814
00:43:42,410 --> 00:43:46,009
S8: Yeah, absolutely. Ali, it's, um, sex trafficking is one of

815
00:43:46,010 --> 00:43:47,489
S8: those things that when you hear about it, you feel

816
00:43:47,489 --> 00:43:50,969
S8: like you have to do something and, um, just to

817
00:43:50,969 --> 00:43:54,450
S8: be able to, to help them hear their story, give

818
00:43:54,450 --> 00:43:57,089
S8: them space to share whatever they feel like sharing, and

819
00:43:57,090 --> 00:43:59,730
S8: be able to remove that constant visual reminder is just

820
00:44:00,050 --> 00:44:03,570
S8: probably the greatest, greatest joy I get in my life

821
00:44:03,610 --> 00:44:06,230
S8: to see their face when that tattoo is gone from

822
00:44:06,230 --> 00:44:07,989
S8: their skin, and they no longer have to answer those

823
00:44:07,989 --> 00:44:10,510
S8: questions or look at it in the mirror, or whatever

824
00:44:10,510 --> 00:44:11,350
S8: the case may be.

825
00:44:11,910 --> 00:44:14,710
S3: What's the greatest heartache that you have? Because there's heartache

826
00:44:14,710 --> 00:44:17,270
S3: that comes along with serving the Lord. There's things that

827
00:44:17,270 --> 00:44:20,029
S3: just grab your heart and grip it. What tears you

828
00:44:20,030 --> 00:44:21,270
S3: up sometimes, Chris?

829
00:44:21,790 --> 00:44:24,549
S8: Well, I mean, just the fact that sex trafficking exists.

830
00:44:24,590 --> 00:44:27,549
S8: You know, as a man, like, you know, we're a

831
00:44:27,550 --> 00:44:29,910
S8: huge part of the problem and just trying to educate

832
00:44:29,950 --> 00:44:33,590
S8: other men to address their sin and things that draw

833
00:44:33,590 --> 00:44:37,710
S8: people to sex trafficking. It's just, you know, when I

834
00:44:37,750 --> 00:44:40,790
S8: when I became a follower at 38, one of the

835
00:44:40,790 --> 00:44:43,870
S8: scariest prayers I ever said was I asked God. I said, Lord,

836
00:44:43,870 --> 00:44:46,270
S8: please break my heart for what breaks yours the most.

837
00:44:46,469 --> 00:44:50,230
S8: And he has. And, um, you know, I focus on

838
00:44:50,230 --> 00:44:52,990
S8: the goodness. I focus on the hope and the joy

839
00:44:53,030 --> 00:44:55,430
S8: that comes out of of what we get to do.

840
00:44:55,910 --> 00:44:59,790
S8: But I also am drawn and driven by education and

841
00:44:59,790 --> 00:45:02,470
S8: going into the schools and talking to these young kids

842
00:45:02,469 --> 00:45:04,799
S8: so they don't get pulled into that, or talking to

843
00:45:04,840 --> 00:45:07,440
S8: parents about how to talk to their kids about social

844
00:45:07,440 --> 00:45:11,719
S8: media and have conversations at home to prevent this stuff

845
00:45:11,719 --> 00:45:14,600
S8: from going on. It's just it's brutal. I it keeps

846
00:45:14,600 --> 00:45:17,280
S8: me in counseling every couple of weeks just to offload

847
00:45:17,280 --> 00:45:18,400
S8: the things that I hear.

848
00:45:18,600 --> 00:45:21,239
S4: Chris Baker, our guest right now. Coming up, let's get

849
00:45:21,239 --> 00:45:23,520
S4: a little bit more of how this all began as

850
00:45:23,520 --> 00:45:26,719
S4: you heard little bits and pieces. Inc. 180 saved at

851
00:45:26,719 --> 00:45:30,480
S4: 38 years old. Lifelong artist. How in the world did

852
00:45:30,480 --> 00:45:33,359
S4: this ministry come to be and how can you support it?

853
00:45:33,400 --> 00:45:35,400
S4: We'll talk more with our guest, Chris Baker, coming up

854
00:45:35,400 --> 00:45:36,520
S4: here on Carl and Crew.

855
00:45:37,280 --> 00:45:40,319
S2: This is Carl and crew on Moody Radio.

856
00:45:41,120 --> 00:45:44,440
S3: Uh, merry Christmas, guys. We love you. Boom, crew. We

857
00:45:44,440 --> 00:45:46,839
S3: really do. And we've got a special guest with us.

858
00:45:46,840 --> 00:45:50,560
S3: Chris Baker. Quite a guy. Founder of Inc. 180. And

859
00:45:50,920 --> 00:45:54,080
S3: this is one of the coolest things. Ali, you set

860
00:45:54,120 --> 00:45:56,200
S3: up a question for Chris, and I just want you

861
00:45:56,200 --> 00:45:57,279
S3: to drill down on it.

862
00:45:57,440 --> 00:45:59,399
S4: Yeah. Chris, I want you to take us back to

863
00:45:59,440 --> 00:46:03,060
S4: the beginning. I know that you were a lifelong artist.

864
00:46:03,060 --> 00:46:06,220
S4: That's always kind of been your bent. When did God

865
00:46:06,219 --> 00:46:09,859
S4: show you that this tattoo ministry was going to be

866
00:46:09,900 --> 00:46:11,420
S4: what he had called you to?

867
00:46:11,700 --> 00:46:13,700
S8: It was hilarious because I was working with the high

868
00:46:13,700 --> 00:46:16,980
S8: school youth group, kids at my church, and we started

869
00:46:16,980 --> 00:46:18,939
S8: doing a project where we were looking for ways to

870
00:46:18,940 --> 00:46:21,219
S8: serve the community. And I had a lot of artists

871
00:46:21,219 --> 00:46:23,260
S8: that were a part of that group. So we decided

872
00:46:23,260 --> 00:46:25,780
S8: we were going to go down to Joliet, this area

873
00:46:25,780 --> 00:46:30,020
S8: called The Hill, just drug dealing and gangs running rampant,

874
00:46:30,020 --> 00:46:34,580
S8: and we started covering up gang graffiti with Christian murals.

875
00:46:35,260 --> 00:46:36,940
S3: What a great youth group outing.

876
00:46:39,100 --> 00:46:42,060
S8: No, Carl. It was. It was awesome, man. I know

877
00:46:42,100 --> 00:46:44,700
S8: first of all, we had we had police support, right?

878
00:46:44,700 --> 00:46:46,500
S8: So we had police there with us. So we were

879
00:46:46,540 --> 00:46:49,819
S8: we were safe. But, um, the cool thing about it

880
00:46:49,820 --> 00:46:51,660
S8: was the coolest youth group thing I've ever been a

881
00:46:51,660 --> 00:46:54,460
S8: part of, because these kids would bring their friends along,

882
00:46:54,500 --> 00:46:56,779
S8: their friends were coming out having a good time, but

883
00:46:56,780 --> 00:46:58,980
S8: they're hearing the word to and it just kind of

884
00:46:59,020 --> 00:47:02,270
S8: took off. And this youth group like tripled in size

885
00:47:02,270 --> 00:47:04,509
S8: in about two and a half, three months. But you know,

886
00:47:04,550 --> 00:47:07,110
S8: I love doing that. I love any kind of serving.

887
00:47:07,110 --> 00:47:09,910
S8: I just felt a real passion to get out and serve.

888
00:47:09,910 --> 00:47:13,270
S8: Once I was saved and went on a couple mission trips,

889
00:47:13,270 --> 00:47:16,230
S8: went to Haiti, was doing local serving, but I was

890
00:47:16,230 --> 00:47:18,750
S8: really just praying and asking God like, why am I

891
00:47:18,750 --> 00:47:21,430
S8: still here? Like, why do I have, you know, friends

892
00:47:21,430 --> 00:47:25,310
S8: that are are passed away from their gang activities, but

893
00:47:25,350 --> 00:47:27,870
S8: I'm still here. Why am I so special? And gave

894
00:47:27,870 --> 00:47:30,070
S8: me the answer. It was very simple and very clear.

895
00:47:30,110 --> 00:47:32,549
S8: Just go do what you love to do more than anything.

896
00:47:32,590 --> 00:47:34,589
S8: The gift. Use the gifts that I've given you and

897
00:47:34,590 --> 00:47:36,870
S8: help bless people that are trying to change their lives

898
00:47:36,870 --> 00:47:38,710
S8: and do it for free. And that was it.

899
00:47:38,830 --> 00:47:40,509
S3: I gotta tell you something, Chris. I've never told you

900
00:47:40,510 --> 00:47:45,230
S3: this before, but you have a raging spiritual gift of mercy, dude.

901
00:47:45,750 --> 00:47:49,870
S3: Thank you. Yeah, just a on fire gift of mercy.

902
00:47:50,550 --> 00:47:54,110
S3: Just a quick flyby because some people know the story,

903
00:47:54,110 --> 00:47:58,830
S3: but it transitioned into you getting a call taking from

904
00:47:58,830 --> 00:48:03,049
S3: the feds to come help with a gang division, and

905
00:48:03,050 --> 00:48:06,410
S3: then that moved into sex trafficking. And basically you you

906
00:48:06,450 --> 00:48:10,370
S3: are helping an external rebrand that prayerfully is going to

907
00:48:10,370 --> 00:48:14,610
S3: be an internal rebrand of people from gang and sex

908
00:48:14,610 --> 00:48:17,730
S3: trafficking into the new life in Christ. And you're seeing

909
00:48:17,730 --> 00:48:19,010
S3: it happen, aren't you, my man?

910
00:48:19,450 --> 00:48:22,770
S8: Yeah. Every day. That's the beautiful thing I tell people. Um,

911
00:48:22,969 --> 00:48:24,930
S8: I just spoke at Willow Creek, and one of the

912
00:48:24,930 --> 00:48:27,009
S8: stories I told is like, you know, I love my

913
00:48:27,010 --> 00:48:29,850
S8: job because I get to see Jesus work in people's

914
00:48:29,850 --> 00:48:32,450
S8: hearts every day. I tell people all the time Jesus

915
00:48:32,450 --> 00:48:34,529
S8: works on their heart, I work on their skin, and

916
00:48:34,530 --> 00:48:37,690
S8: we meet somewhere in the middle. And it's just a

917
00:48:38,090 --> 00:48:40,770
S8: an honor to be able to do that, really. Um,

918
00:48:40,770 --> 00:48:43,209
S8: and to hear what Jesus is doing in their lives

919
00:48:43,210 --> 00:48:45,969
S8: is just a true gift to me. That's why, you know,

920
00:48:46,010 --> 00:48:48,810
S8: people sometimes will give me a hard time like other artists, like,

921
00:48:48,810 --> 00:48:50,850
S8: why are you doing it for free? I'm like, because

922
00:48:50,850 --> 00:48:56,090
S8: Jesus already paid for it. The bill's been taken care of. So, um,

923
00:48:56,450 --> 00:48:59,350
S8: I'll get my rewards in heaven, and to do what

924
00:48:59,350 --> 00:49:01,509
S8: I do is just a tremendous honor and blessing.

925
00:49:01,870 --> 00:49:06,150
S4: Chris, when someone makes their way to your tattoo studio,

926
00:49:06,469 --> 00:49:09,070
S4: you know they've come there because they no longer want

927
00:49:09,070 --> 00:49:11,589
S4: to bear the marks of a former life, whether it's

928
00:49:11,590 --> 00:49:14,870
S4: someone who's come out of a gang life and they

929
00:49:14,870 --> 00:49:18,430
S4: have the markings or a sex trafficking victim, maybe people

930
00:49:18,430 --> 00:49:21,510
S4: aren't as familiar with. Sometimes they are marked as well,

931
00:49:21,550 --> 00:49:25,990
S4: often against their will as as property. There's so much

932
00:49:25,989 --> 00:49:29,350
S4: pain that people come in into your office or your

933
00:49:29,350 --> 00:49:32,910
S4: studio with, and a big part of your ministry is

934
00:49:32,910 --> 00:49:36,030
S4: to listen. Obviously you're working, you're covering, you're making something

935
00:49:36,030 --> 00:49:39,470
S4: beautiful out of something very ugly. But but you're hearing

936
00:49:39,469 --> 00:49:43,390
S4: so many stories. Share one that's fresh on your heart.

937
00:49:43,790 --> 00:49:46,430
S8: You know, you're right. It's it's one of those things,

938
00:49:46,469 --> 00:49:49,350
S8: you know, when I hear this stuff, my voice means

939
00:49:49,350 --> 00:49:51,950
S8: very little in that room. My ears mean way more

940
00:49:51,989 --> 00:49:55,230
S8: than my voice. But I had a young lady that

941
00:49:55,230 --> 00:49:57,680
S8: was in the shop a couple of weeks ago, she

942
00:49:57,680 --> 00:50:01,320
S8: was caught up in sex trafficking and removing her branding.

943
00:50:01,320 --> 00:50:04,799
S8: She had two of them, and I always play Christian music,

944
00:50:04,800 --> 00:50:08,800
S8: and I was playing Ben Fuller's song Black Sheep.

945
00:50:08,840 --> 00:50:09,680
S9: Oh, that's a.

946
00:50:09,719 --> 00:50:10,480
S3: Song, bro.

947
00:50:10,520 --> 00:50:11,400
S9: That's a song.

948
00:50:11,560 --> 00:50:14,720
S8: That's my favorite right now. And she just started sobbing

949
00:50:15,239 --> 00:50:18,080
S8: and then she started talking. She's like, this song is

950
00:50:18,080 --> 00:50:22,759
S8: my life. And I happened to see Ben that next week.

951
00:50:22,760 --> 00:50:26,560
S8: I was speaking at a at a gala down in Tupelo, Mississippi,

952
00:50:26,840 --> 00:50:29,720
S8: and he was performing there. And I shared the story,

953
00:50:29,760 --> 00:50:32,279
S8: and we both just stood there and cried for a

954
00:50:32,280 --> 00:50:35,120
S8: few minutes. It's just the power of music. I mean,

955
00:50:35,680 --> 00:50:38,680
S8: it can change lives, the right kind of music, you know?

956
00:50:38,719 --> 00:50:41,279
S8: And just to sit and listen to her story, she

957
00:50:41,280 --> 00:50:43,520
S8: told me how she she had been trafficked for eight

958
00:50:43,520 --> 00:50:47,879
S8: years and the different stories and situations that came up

959
00:50:47,880 --> 00:50:50,200
S8: in it, and times she thought she was about to

960
00:50:50,239 --> 00:50:52,120
S8: get out of it, and then it all fell apart.

961
00:50:52,120 --> 00:50:55,980
S8: And to hear her share what Jesus is doing in

962
00:50:55,980 --> 00:50:59,939
S8: her life now was so powerful, and it was so

963
00:50:59,940 --> 00:51:04,980
S8: cool that it happened through my friend's song. At that moment,

964
00:51:05,020 --> 00:51:05,980
S8: it was just so cool.

965
00:51:06,300 --> 00:51:10,060
S3: Yeah, yeah. It's interesting. Your ministry is what, um, what

966
00:51:10,100 --> 00:51:13,820
S3: God prophesied needed to happen. And it is happening that

967
00:51:14,340 --> 00:51:17,419
S3: the kind of fasting that God loves and the kind

968
00:51:17,420 --> 00:51:20,779
S3: of prayer that he loves is that that breaks the

969
00:51:20,780 --> 00:51:24,899
S3: yoke of those that are enslaved to the God of

970
00:51:24,900 --> 00:51:29,020
S3: this age has blinded the minds of the unbelieving and

971
00:51:29,020 --> 00:51:33,900
S3: Chris Baker's ministry. I want to do something bold here. Uh,

972
00:51:33,940 --> 00:51:38,620
S3: how many, how many tattoo, uh, workings have you done? Uh,

973
00:51:38,620 --> 00:51:41,740
S3: that on on, folks, for no cost at all.

974
00:51:41,739 --> 00:51:43,540
S8: We're over 14,000 now.

975
00:51:43,580 --> 00:51:47,180
S9: Free of charge. Yeah, over 14,000.

976
00:51:47,219 --> 00:51:50,380
S4: Since 2011, when your ministry started. Is that correct?

977
00:51:50,420 --> 00:51:50,820
S9: Yeah.

978
00:51:50,820 --> 00:51:53,860
S8: That's correct. And it's funny because my accountant loves to.

979
00:51:54,230 --> 00:51:56,430
S8: He adds everything up. And he said, if you tell

980
00:51:56,469 --> 00:51:57,950
S8: me what this would have been if you had charged

981
00:51:57,950 --> 00:52:02,150
S8: for it, we're over $1.7 million for your services.

982
00:52:04,750 --> 00:52:05,150
S3: There you.

983
00:52:05,150 --> 00:52:05,750
S9: Go. Wow.

984
00:52:05,989 --> 00:52:09,790
S3: You know what? Merry Christmas, boom crew. And I want

985
00:52:09,830 --> 00:52:13,430
S3: to ask you, this is one of the most low

986
00:52:13,469 --> 00:52:17,790
S3: hanging fruit opportunities. We get several of these, but this

987
00:52:17,790 --> 00:52:21,510
S3: is one. And I'm going to give you a link

988
00:52:21,989 --> 00:52:26,350
S3: to ink 180. And I want you to say Merry

989
00:52:26,350 --> 00:52:30,390
S3: Christmas to a sex trafficked girl that you will never

990
00:52:30,390 --> 00:52:32,910
S3: know her name until, God willing, you see her in

991
00:52:32,910 --> 00:52:38,190
S3: the New Jerusalem. Yeah. I want you to say Merry

992
00:52:38,190 --> 00:52:43,589
S3: Christmas to a young man that's getting freed from a

993
00:52:43,630 --> 00:52:46,230
S3: gang that never could provide the life that he was

994
00:52:46,230 --> 00:52:50,310
S3: looking for. But Jesus did. I want you to say

995
00:52:50,310 --> 00:52:54,690
S3: Merry Christmas to someone you'll never meet face to face.

996
00:52:55,730 --> 00:52:57,290
S3: And we got a way for you to do that,

997
00:52:57,290 --> 00:52:58,010
S3: don't we, Ali?

998
00:52:58,050 --> 00:53:00,050
S4: Yeah. I want you to text the word inc I

999
00:53:00,050 --> 00:53:05,810
S4: n k inc to (800) 555-7898. You can find out all

1000
00:53:05,810 --> 00:53:09,970
S4: about Chris Baker in this incredible, very unique ministry. Text

1001
00:53:10,010 --> 00:53:16,489
S4: Inc I n k to 800 555 7890 8INK to

1002
00:53:16,530 --> 00:53:20,130
S4: 800 555 7898.

1003
00:53:20,370 --> 00:53:23,570
S3: And Chris, this is not just for you and for me,

1004
00:53:23,969 --> 00:53:27,089
S3: but for anyone that feels like a bit of a

1005
00:53:27,090 --> 00:53:30,930
S3: black sheep. This has been fuller, very song that Chris

1006
00:53:30,930 --> 00:53:33,770
S3: was just referring to here. Enjoy it. Boom, crew.

1007
00:53:36,810 --> 00:53:37,170
S10: Ooh.

1008
00:53:48,410 --> 00:53:55,300
S11: You broke through a thousand fences. Been rescued from a

1009
00:53:55,300 --> 00:54:00,899
S11: thousand ditches. You still swear you don't fit in. So

1010
00:54:00,900 --> 00:54:04,780
S11: you kick and scream and you're gone again. Wandering off

1011
00:54:04,780 --> 00:54:12,219
S11: into the devil's wind. How's it going out there? Acting

1012
00:54:12,219 --> 00:54:17,100
S11: like you ain't scared. How's that hard stone? Ain't so

1013
00:54:17,100 --> 00:54:23,100
S11: hard when you're alone. Crying tears you hope nobody sees.

1014
00:54:24,540 --> 00:54:28,340
S11: Guess the good news is he'll never leave you be.

1015
00:54:29,380 --> 00:54:45,060
S11: Jesus loves you. Black sees. You hate everything about you.

1016
00:54:47,660 --> 00:54:52,960
S11: You think we're better off without you. You wear your

1017
00:54:52,960 --> 00:54:56,120
S11: pain out on your sleeve and you paint it on

1018
00:54:56,120 --> 00:54:59,680
S11: in a rebel ink. But the alcohol and pills ain't

1019
00:54:59,680 --> 00:55:06,120
S11: fixed a thing. So how's it goin out there? Actin

1020
00:55:06,120 --> 00:55:10,560
S11: like you ain't scared. How's that heart of stone? It

1021
00:55:10,560 --> 00:55:15,480
S11: ain't so hard when you're lonely. Crying tears. You hope

1022
00:55:15,480 --> 00:55:21,600
S11: nobody sees. Guess the good news is he'll never leave

1023
00:55:21,640 --> 00:55:35,440
S11: you be. Jesus loves you, black sheep. Jesus loves you.

1024
00:55:35,440 --> 00:55:50,180
S11: Black sheep. Can't tell you when I ain't no prophet.

1025
00:55:51,140 --> 00:55:54,220
S11: But there'll come a point in time when you can't

1026
00:55:54,219 --> 00:56:00,340
S11: stop it. The good shepherd's love smells like smoke. There

1027
00:56:00,340 --> 00:56:03,700
S11: ain't no hell so low. Where he won't let the

1028
00:56:03,739 --> 00:56:09,939
S11: hounds of heaven go. SIC em. Let the hounds of

1029
00:56:09,940 --> 00:56:16,540
S11: heaven go. So how's it going out there? Acting like

1030
00:56:16,580 --> 00:56:21,660
S11: you ain't scared. House at half a stoned. Ain't so hard.

1031
00:56:21,660 --> 00:56:29,100
S11: When you're alone. Crying tears. You hope nobody sees. Guess

1032
00:56:29,100 --> 00:56:34,739
S11: the good news is he'll never leave you be. And

1033
00:56:34,739 --> 00:56:40,459
S11: amazing Grace is a pesky, pesky thing. But the good

1034
00:56:40,460 --> 00:56:46,820
S11: news is he'll never leave you be. Jesus loves you back. Jesus.

1035
00:56:54,910 --> 00:56:57,589
S11: Jesus loves you, black sheep.

1036
00:57:06,989 --> 00:57:07,390
S10: Oh.

1037
00:57:16,270 --> 00:57:20,390
S3: It's Carlin crew, and I got up early this morning,

1038
00:57:20,390 --> 00:57:23,870
S3: and the Lord hit me with something just beautiful. The

1039
00:57:24,070 --> 00:57:28,550
S3: coming especially of Arlene Pelican. You can begin to think

1040
00:57:29,430 --> 00:57:33,270
S3: that I've got to try harder. If you're new listening around,

1041
00:57:33,270 --> 00:57:38,150
S3: here we are for folks who have absolutely resolved in

1042
00:57:38,150 --> 00:57:41,950
S3: our heart. Trying harder ain't going to get her done.

1043
00:57:42,550 --> 00:57:46,570
S3: Certainly not going to get her done.

1044
00:57:46,610 --> 00:57:47,410
S12: No no, no.

1045
00:57:47,730 --> 00:57:51,130
S3: But what about a little bit harder, Carl? Just try

1046
00:57:51,170 --> 00:57:54,010
S3: a little bit harder. Yeah, just call me with how

1047
00:57:54,010 --> 00:57:58,970
S3: that's working out for you. Little doctor Phil. Question. How's

1048
00:57:58,970 --> 00:57:59,610
S3: that working?

1049
00:57:59,650 --> 00:58:02,330
S4: Because it's the short term gains you can get. I mean,

1050
00:58:02,330 --> 00:58:06,130
S4: you can you could try harder and for a day. Yeah,

1051
00:58:06,170 --> 00:58:07,490
S4: or a couple of days.

1052
00:58:07,530 --> 00:58:08,570
S9: Oh, I can go a week.

1053
00:58:08,970 --> 00:58:11,850
S4: Oh, I mean, it's the whole New Year's resolution thing, right?

1054
00:58:11,890 --> 00:58:14,650
S4: I mean, everybody sets out in a new year and

1055
00:58:14,690 --> 00:58:18,810
S4: wants to try harder in something. But come February 3rd,

1056
00:58:19,130 --> 00:58:22,850
S4: most people are like right back or worse in whatever

1057
00:58:22,850 --> 00:58:25,810
S4: area that they had set out to try. And that's

1058
00:58:25,890 --> 00:58:29,090
S4: I mean, it's kind of become the running joke, right? Yeah.

1059
00:58:29,130 --> 00:58:32,010
S4: The gym is empty by February mid February.

1060
00:58:32,170 --> 00:58:34,210
S3: And here's the scary part about this, because I know

1061
00:58:34,210 --> 00:58:36,970
S3: the stats all too well because I wrote on this.

1062
00:58:37,010 --> 00:58:41,410
S3: But the fact is, January 15th, 85% of the resolutions

1063
00:58:41,650 --> 00:58:42,690
S3: are d.o.a.

1064
00:58:42,810 --> 00:58:44,930
S4: Oh, wow. It's sooner than I than I thought.

1065
00:58:45,020 --> 00:58:45,580
S9: A lot.

1066
00:58:45,620 --> 00:58:49,460
S3: Yeah. You get to 15 days into your resolution and baby,

1067
00:58:49,460 --> 00:58:52,140
S3: you have done a face plant. So the question we have,

1068
00:58:52,420 --> 00:58:54,500
S3: and this is a good one to wrestle with, how

1069
00:58:54,500 --> 00:58:56,420
S3: in the world do we get control of our phone?

1070
00:58:56,420 --> 00:58:58,180
S3: Which is that Arlene in here. How do we get

1071
00:58:58,180 --> 00:59:01,380
S3: control of behaviors that we know are missing the mark

1072
00:59:01,780 --> 00:59:11,500
S3: in one short story? How short? One verse. One verse.

1073
00:59:12,300 --> 00:59:16,340
S3: Jesus explains the whole enchilada right here. He says, the

1074
00:59:16,340 --> 00:59:20,060
S3: kingdom of heaven is like treasure hidden in a field

1075
00:59:20,620 --> 00:59:25,060
S3: which a man found and covered up. Now you're going well.

1076
00:59:25,060 --> 00:59:29,860
S3: What's going on? He found treasure in the kingdom of God,

1077
00:59:29,860 --> 00:59:32,380
S3: in heaven, in all that God is and the way

1078
00:59:32,380 --> 00:59:36,860
S3: he operates in this world today through this risen Christ.

1079
00:59:37,420 --> 00:59:40,260
S3: Why did he cover it up? Here's why. Then, in

1080
00:59:40,260 --> 00:59:44,040
S3: his joy. So he's giddy. He's going back. He found

1081
00:59:44,040 --> 00:59:47,760
S3: that treasure, covered it up. Now he's all. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

1082
00:59:47,760 --> 00:59:50,920
S3: He's all giddy. And his joy, he goes and sells

1083
00:59:50,920 --> 00:59:53,920
S3: all that he has. And buys that field where the

1084
00:59:53,920 --> 00:59:58,520
S3: treasure was hidden. Here's the point. And this is the

1085
00:59:58,520 --> 01:00:03,760
S3: greatest contribution of John Piper to the world. John Piper's

1086
01:00:03,760 --> 01:00:07,439
S3: famous for doing a tweak on the Westminster Confession. Got

1087
01:00:07,440 --> 01:00:11,240
S3: his most glorified in us, as we are most satisfied

1088
01:00:11,240 --> 01:00:19,520
S3: in him. The greatest power source for behavior modification is

1089
01:00:19,520 --> 01:00:23,520
S3: to get your heart, soul, mind and all the energy

1090
01:00:23,560 --> 01:00:27,080
S3: great commandment there wrapped up in the Kingdom of God.

1091
01:00:27,080 --> 01:00:31,240
S3: Get your mind so enthralled with. Look at what God

1092
01:00:31,240 --> 01:00:35,600
S3: has for me as I seek first the kingdom of

1093
01:00:35,600 --> 01:00:40,640
S3: God and His righteousness. See, our problem is we aren't

1094
01:00:40,680 --> 01:00:43,890
S3: enamored enough with the power and the grandeur of God.

1095
01:00:43,890 --> 01:00:48,810
S3: That's our problem. And the more blown away we get

1096
01:00:48,810 --> 01:00:52,930
S3: by God's goodness and that treasure of life that is

1097
01:00:52,930 --> 01:00:57,490
S3: found in him, the things of earth will grow strangely

1098
01:00:57,530 --> 01:01:04,850
S3: dim in the light of his glory and grace. Whoever

1099
01:01:04,850 --> 01:01:06,930
S3: wrote that was right on.

1100
01:01:07,130 --> 01:01:10,930
S4: That's one of my favorite hymns. Singing growing.

1101
01:01:10,970 --> 01:01:11,130
S9: Up.

1102
01:01:11,890 --> 01:01:14,010
S4: Turn your eyes upon Jesus.

1103
01:01:14,770 --> 01:01:18,810
S3: So powerful. So here's the deal today. And this is.

1104
01:01:19,050 --> 01:01:24,250
S3: This is our slam dunk. Listen, don't settle for behavior modification.

1105
01:01:24,250 --> 01:01:30,730
S3: It won't get you far. But get your mind, heart, soul, strength, everything.

1106
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S3: Enamored with the grace and power and the goodness of God.

1107
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S3: And Katy, bar the door. You're going to see change

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S3: come your way. Turn your eyes to Jesus.