WEBVTT - Hour 1: Studying the Scriptures Together 0:00:10.240 --> 0:00:14.480 Antisemitism is on my mind today. And it's not just 0:00:14.480 --> 0:00:17.840 because of the Harvard self-study on the schools blatant problem 0:00:17.880 --> 0:00:22.200 of tolerating, even promoting hatred of the Jewish people. Stay 0:00:22.200 --> 0:00:26.400 with me. We'll talk about that in just a moment. Hello, friends. 0:00:26.400 --> 0:00:30.560 Welcome to Open Line, Moody Radio's Bible study across America. 0:00:30.800 --> 0:00:33.360 My name is Michael Radonich. I'm the academic dean and 0:00:33.360 --> 0:00:36.720 a professor of Jewish studies and Bible at Moody Bible Institute. 0:00:37.120 --> 0:00:40.400 I'm so grateful to be joining you right here around 0:00:40.400 --> 0:00:44.600 the radio kitchen table. We're talking about your questions about 0:00:44.600 --> 0:00:48.559 the Bible, God and the spiritual life. 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Last week was Yom Hashoah. 0:01:30.410 --> 0:01:33.650 That's the annual day that means Holocaust Memorial Day, the 0:01:33.690 --> 0:01:37.610 annual day Jewish people of Israel and the diaspora observe 0:01:37.610 --> 0:01:40.850 and remember the Nazi murder of 6 million Jewish people, 0:01:41.130 --> 0:01:45.450 the oppression and enslavement of other Jewish people, millions of others. 0:01:45.810 --> 0:01:52.530 This is a significant annual commemoration. You know, in my lifetime, 0:01:52.530 --> 0:01:55.490 I never thought the world would return to Jew hatred. 0:01:56.250 --> 0:01:59.950 I believe that the nations had learned their lessons about 0:01:59.950 --> 0:02:03.110 the horrors of hating Jewish people from the Holocaust. Well, 0:02:03.110 --> 0:02:07.590 the answer is not so. No, no, no. Recently, the 0:02:07.630 --> 0:02:12.390 Anti-Defamation League released its report on antisemitism in the United States. 0:02:13.150 --> 0:02:17.350 And it's just for 2024. Here's what they said. In 2024, 0:02:17.830 --> 0:02:25.149 the ADL tabulated 9354 anti-Semitic incidents just across the United States. 0:02:25.910 --> 0:02:32.750 This represents a 5% increase increase from those recorded in 2023, 0:02:32.790 --> 0:02:39.070 a 344% increase over the past five years, and an 893% 0:02:39.070 --> 0:02:44.830 increase over the past ten years. It's the highest number 0:02:44.830 --> 0:02:50.470 on record since the ADL began tracking anti-Semitic incidents 46 0:02:50.470 --> 0:02:54.910 years ago. Similarly, Harvard University finally released its self-study on 0:02:54.910 --> 0:02:59.160 campus antisemitism, And it indicated that not only did Harvard 0:02:59.160 --> 0:03:04.519 administration tolerate blatant persecution of Jewish students, but actually fostered 0:03:04.520 --> 0:03:09.560 it with its policies. Yet these are not the reasons 0:03:09.560 --> 0:03:14.680 I have antisemitism on my brain today. My reason is 0:03:14.680 --> 0:03:19.679 much more personal. It's because this upcoming week, on Thursday, 0:03:20.200 --> 0:03:25.640 May 8th, it's the 80th anniversary of my parents liberation 0:03:25.639 --> 0:03:29.720 from the Gross-Rosen concentration camp complex, where they were both 0:03:29.720 --> 0:03:34.760 enslaved by the Nazis. My mom was a Jewish girl 0:03:34.800 --> 0:03:39.520 born in eastern Germany, in Upper Silesia, in the town 0:03:39.560 --> 0:03:44.880 of Boynton. And when she was a teenager, she was 0:03:44.880 --> 0:03:51.360 hidden from the Nazis in the 1930s by Lutheran deaconesses 0:03:52.960 --> 0:03:59.250 after Kristallnacht. They sent her to a sister deaconess home. Uh, 0:03:59.370 --> 0:04:02.810 these are sort of like Protestant nuns. Uh, they sent 0:04:02.810 --> 0:04:07.250 her to a sister home in, uh, Germany. In Poland 0:04:07.290 --> 0:04:10.010 to keep her away from the Nazis. Of course, after 0:04:10.010 --> 0:04:16.930 September 1st, 1939, she was in Poland when World War 0:04:16.930 --> 0:04:20.050 Two broke out. And then she was taken to the 0:04:20.089 --> 0:04:25.570 Lodz Ghetto by the Nazis, ultimately placed in several labor camps, 0:04:25.570 --> 0:04:27.969 and then finally placed in the women's camp in the 0:04:27.970 --> 0:04:33.049 Gross-Rosen concentration camp. She was liberated on May 8th, 1945 0:04:33.089 --> 0:04:37.970 by the Red Army. Uh, she weighed less than £70. 0:04:37.970 --> 0:04:40.690 She was too weak to walk, had lost all her hair. 0:04:41.810 --> 0:04:44.010 The women who were able to walk had been taken 0:04:44.010 --> 0:04:47.890 by the SS on a forced march to get them 0:04:47.890 --> 0:04:52.969 away from the liberating Russian army. And, uh, actually, all 0:04:52.970 --> 0:04:55.830 those women perished in the forced march. And because my 0:04:55.830 --> 0:04:58.190 mom could not walk, they left her behind and that's 0:04:58.190 --> 0:05:05.070 what saved her life. My dad was from Poland, a 0:05:05.070 --> 0:05:12.470 small village, Melnik, just about 90km northeast of Krakow. There 0:05:13.350 --> 0:05:19.869 he was taken to the ghetto, and then finally he 0:05:19.870 --> 0:05:22.870 was put in various labor camps, the Lodz Ghetto and 0:05:22.870 --> 0:05:28.430 then various labor camps, and finally in the Gross-Rosen concentration 0:05:28.430 --> 0:05:32.430 camp complex in a men's camp. And he was able 0:05:32.430 --> 0:05:36.510 to survive because he was a cabinetmaker, and therefore did carpentry, 0:05:36.510 --> 0:05:40.390 and built barracks for various places for the Nazi concentration 0:05:40.390 --> 0:05:48.029 camp system. However, he was married. He had four sons 0:05:48.029 --> 0:05:54.400 and adopted daughter. His wife and his Children all perished 0:05:54.400 --> 0:05:58.880 in Auschwitz, just as my mom's parents died in Auschwitz 0:05:58.880 --> 0:06:05.039 and her brother. So my dad's entire personal family, his 0:06:05.080 --> 0:06:10.680 immediate family, his wife and children perished in Auschwitz, and 0:06:10.680 --> 0:06:16.320 then his parents and grandparents and five of his six 0:06:16.320 --> 0:06:22.680 siblings died in Treblinka, were murdered there. After the war, 0:06:22.680 --> 0:06:26.120 my parents met, my dad had remarried, his wife died 0:06:26.120 --> 0:06:29.480 in childbirth, and my mom was working as as a 0:06:29.480 --> 0:06:32.120 nurse in that Berlin hospital. That's where they met. My 0:06:32.120 --> 0:06:35.640 mom married my dad to care for that brother of mine, 0:06:35.680 --> 0:06:38.960 that that half brother that was born in Berlin. And 0:06:38.960 --> 0:06:42.080 that's my family's story. So when I think about what 0:06:42.080 --> 0:06:47.880 my parents endured, I'm always kind of shocked. But it's 0:06:48.360 --> 0:06:52.770 May 8th, 1945 to May 8th, 2025. That's why it's 0:06:52.810 --> 0:06:55.210 on my mind. I don't suppose anyone has a great 0:06:55.210 --> 0:06:58.090 answer to the question where was God when the 6 0:06:58.089 --> 0:07:03.770 million died? But some possible thoughts that might be. I 0:07:03.770 --> 0:07:06.050 might think about that and write a book about it someday. 0:07:06.170 --> 0:07:09.570 But two biblical concepts always help me trust the Lord 0:07:09.970 --> 0:07:14.570 when encountering this horrific hatred of God's chosen people. First, 0:07:14.890 --> 0:07:18.690 the Lord suffers with his people. In Zechariah one eight 0:07:18.730 --> 0:07:21.130 through 17, the prophet saw a vision of a rider 0:07:21.130 --> 0:07:23.850 on a red horse among the myrtle trees in a 0:07:23.850 --> 0:07:28.650 low place. In 1963, Merrill Unger published a masterful commentary 0:07:28.650 --> 0:07:32.010 on Zechariah and pointed out that the text identifies the 0:07:32.010 --> 0:07:34.850 rider on the horse as the angel of the Lord. 0:07:34.850 --> 0:07:39.090 The Pre-incarnate Messiah and the myrtle trees represent the Jewish 0:07:39.090 --> 0:07:43.170 people in a low place, a place of oppression. Here's 0:07:43.170 --> 0:07:48.450 what he says about that. It's a great consolation to 0:07:48.490 --> 0:07:51.670 Zechariah to know that the red horse rider. The Pre-incarnate 0:07:51.670 --> 0:07:55.950 Messiah is identified with his people in their suffering, degradation 0:07:55.950 --> 0:07:59.510 and woe. He is still standing among the myrtle trees. 0:07:59.510 --> 0:08:03.190 Israel in the Glen. He is still interceding for them. 0:08:03.510 --> 0:08:06.710 The angel of the presence, the Lord Messiah, who has 0:08:06.710 --> 0:08:10.430 so wonderfully delivered their father Jacob, is even now is 0:08:10.430 --> 0:08:15.110 in the process of restoring and delivering them his ancient 0:08:15.110 --> 0:08:18.750 people and preparing them for the revelation of his salvation 0:08:18.750 --> 0:08:22.270 at the end of the age. And he talks about 0:08:22.270 --> 0:08:26.470 his intercessory ministry that the high priest, the true high priest, 0:08:27.350 --> 0:08:30.910 the King of Israel, bears the names of the 12 0:08:30.950 --> 0:08:37.990 tribes on himself. Uh, I appreciate that. Uh, Isaiah 63 0:08:38.030 --> 0:08:41.830 nine says, in all their suffering he suffered, and the 0:08:41.830 --> 0:08:46.510 angel of his presence saved them. Second, in Zechariah 114 0:08:46.550 --> 0:08:50.880 and 15, it shows the Lord will judge the persecution 0:08:50.880 --> 0:08:53.679 of his people. In Zechariah 114 and 15, the Lord 0:08:53.679 --> 0:08:57.360 declares that he is jealous for Jerusalem and intensely angry 0:08:57.360 --> 0:09:01.680 at the nations for their mistreatment of Israel. Uh, all 0:09:01.679 --> 0:09:05.679 in the days of the past. And that's what, uh, 0:09:05.800 --> 0:09:11.640 Unger also says, uh, he says, uh, that the Lord 0:09:11.679 --> 0:09:15.079 is conscious of the desolation of the land. He is 0:09:15.080 --> 0:09:19.160 fully aware of the worldwide woe of oppressed Jewry. He 0:09:19.160 --> 0:09:22.160 is jealous for his people exceedingly, and will arise to 0:09:22.200 --> 0:09:26.440 take vengeance on their foes. That's what Zechariah 114 and 0:09:26.440 --> 0:09:32.040 15 says. It's inevitable, according to Zechariah, that the consequences 0:09:32.040 --> 0:09:36.240 of God's wrath upon men and nations sins. It is 0:09:36.240 --> 0:09:40.839 inevitable that he will judge the sin of antisemitism, the 0:09:40.840 --> 0:09:45.520 crime of the nations. Well, I appreciate so much what 0:09:45.559 --> 0:09:48.010 Merrill Unger had to say. But what can we do today? 0:09:48.730 --> 0:09:53.690 I encourage every Bible believing follower of Jesus to take 0:09:53.690 --> 0:09:56.130 a stand, to stand with the Jewish people as they 0:09:56.130 --> 0:10:01.130 face the lies, the discrimination, the violence against them. But 0:10:01.130 --> 0:10:04.770 don't just identify. Speak up when we hear the nasty 0:10:04.809 --> 0:10:08.290 comments about Jewish people. Stand up for the Jewish people 0:10:08.290 --> 0:10:10.689 in our communities. We need to call or write our 0:10:10.690 --> 0:10:14.690 congressmen and senators call the white House. Our Messiah, Jesus 0:10:14.690 --> 0:10:18.410 himself was incarnate not just as a human being, but 0:10:18.410 --> 0:10:21.929 as a as Jewish humanity. We need to do all 0:10:21.929 --> 0:10:26.450 that we can to oppose the oldest hatred that targets 0:10:26.450 --> 0:10:42.890 the Jewish people whom the Lord loves. Well, uh, sobering 0:10:42.929 --> 0:10:45.130 talk today, but I've been really thinking about it a 0:10:45.130 --> 0:10:48.260 lot with the anniversary coming up, I think it's time 0:10:48.260 --> 0:10:51.020 to take a quick call here. We're going to talk 0:10:51.020 --> 0:10:55.220 to Charlene and Laurel, Mississippi, listening on WMU. Welcome to 0:10:55.260 --> 0:10:57.500 Open Line. Charlene. How can I help you today? 0:10:57.500 --> 0:11:00.939 Thank you. Um, I asked my question is, what is 0:11:00.940 --> 0:11:04.980 the significance of the counting of the Omer according to 0:11:05.020 --> 0:11:08.660 Leviticus 23, verses 15 and 16. 0:11:09.540 --> 0:11:12.260 Well, the counting of the Omer is the counting of 0:11:12.260 --> 0:11:18.380 the days from basically from the the Sabbath of Passover, uh, 0:11:18.460 --> 0:11:22.260 all the way to what in English is called Pentecost. 0:11:22.260 --> 0:11:25.699 It's 50 days, seven weeks in a day. And so 0:11:25.700 --> 0:11:30.980 the 50th day is, uh, Shavuot, the festival. And so 0:11:30.980 --> 0:11:34.579 you count from the one festival to the next, you 0:11:34.620 --> 0:11:37.900 count the omer. So you get to 50 days at 0:11:37.900 --> 0:11:40.100 the beginning of the counting of the omer, you have 0:11:40.100 --> 0:11:44.220 the firstfruits of the barley harvest. And then with the 0:11:44.220 --> 0:11:48.560 completion of the 5850 days, you have the celebration of 0:11:48.559 --> 0:11:52.120 the wheat harvest, the firstfruits of the wheat harvest. And 0:11:52.120 --> 0:11:54.640 so it's it's just the way to get you from 0:11:54.640 --> 0:11:59.480 Passover to Shavuot, the 50 days. That's what it's about. 0:11:59.559 --> 0:12:02.000 All right. Are there any special prayers to pray those 0:12:02.000 --> 0:12:03.960 50 days or Psalms to pray? 0:12:04.679 --> 0:12:10.520 Well, there's always adjustments during the daily, uh, synagogue prayers, but, uh, 0:12:10.880 --> 0:12:14.640 it is is just merely the the counting of the days, uh, 0:12:14.640 --> 0:12:18.719 to get you to Pentecost. That's all it is. Okay, Charlene. 0:12:18.920 --> 0:12:19.480 Thank you very. 0:12:19.480 --> 0:12:22.680 Much. Yeah, thanks. Thanks so much for your call. We're 0:12:22.679 --> 0:12:28.319 going to, uh, take your call to (877) 548-3675. We're going 0:12:28.320 --> 0:12:32.439 to take a break here. And when we do, uh, 0:12:32.720 --> 0:12:34.760 when we we'll take the break. And when we come back, 0:12:34.760 --> 0:12:37.840 we'll talk with you about your questions about the Bible, 0:12:37.880 --> 0:12:41.760 God and the spiritual life. My name is Michael Ray Melnick. 0:12:42.080 --> 0:12:46.170 And when we return, We'll be talking about all your 0:12:46.170 --> 0:12:49.930 questions in our Bible study across America. Stay with us. 0:12:49.929 --> 0:13:08.930 We'll be right back. Welcome back to Open Line. So 0:13:08.929 --> 0:13:11.850 glad to be with you today. Uh, let me tell 0:13:11.850 --> 0:13:16.050 you about our current resource. I'm pretty excited about it. Uh, 0:13:16.570 --> 0:13:20.410 I often tell people that one book every believer should 0:13:20.410 --> 0:13:25.290 have is a Bible dictionary. 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This is actually someone called it in 0:14:55.040 --> 0:14:58.560 and left a message here for us. Uh, no. My 0:14:58.560 --> 0:15:03.000 father was from Poland, a Jewish village. Uh, it was 90% Jewish, 0:15:03.320 --> 0:15:09.040 northeast of Krakow. Uh, my mom was from eastern Germany, 0:15:09.200 --> 0:15:11.880 but now it's part of Poland. It's the town of 0:15:11.920 --> 0:15:16.760 Bytom in Poland. Uh, but she was actually a German citizen. 0:15:17.080 --> 0:15:25.200 And then they met, uh, married in 1947 and, uh, 0:15:25.320 --> 0:15:28.200 came to the United States in 1950. And I was, 0:15:28.560 --> 0:15:31.600 thank God, born grateful that I was born here in 0:15:31.600 --> 0:15:35.000 the United States. So if you want to know, uh, 0:15:35.000 --> 0:15:37.200 if I'm from where I'm from, I don't know why 0:15:37.240 --> 0:15:39.640 someone would think my my parents were from Europe, but 0:15:39.640 --> 0:15:44.210 I am a born American citizen, grateful to God for that. 0:15:45.450 --> 0:15:48.610 We're going to talk to Mark in Des Plaines, Illinois, 0:15:48.650 --> 0:15:52.690 listening on Wmbi. Welcome to Open Line. Mark. How can 0:15:52.690 --> 0:15:53.570 I help you today? 0:15:54.250 --> 0:15:57.730 Good morning doctor. Please forgive my voice. I know it's 0:15:57.730 --> 0:16:01.610 hard to hear and understand. My question is about the 0:16:01.610 --> 0:16:09.130 descendants of Shem. Does it include Esau and Ishmael as 0:16:09.130 --> 0:16:11.650 well as Israel? 0:16:13.410 --> 0:16:21.530 Not as Israel. They're descendants of Shem, yes. But then 0:16:21.970 --> 0:16:27.690 God narrows the picture. He calls Abraham. And the promise 0:16:27.690 --> 0:16:33.970 continues from Abraham to Isaac and not Ishmael. God deliberately 0:16:35.090 --> 0:16:38.290 extends Ishmael out. He sends him away. Do you remember 0:16:38.290 --> 0:16:39.580 in Genesis 21? 0:16:40.260 --> 0:16:40.660 Yes. 0:16:41.260 --> 0:16:46.420 And then. Wait, wait, wait. And then, uh, Jacob receives 0:16:46.420 --> 0:16:51.380 the blessing and the promise and the inheritance, and Esau 0:16:51.420 --> 0:16:54.380 does not. And then it is the 12 sons of 0:16:54.380 --> 0:16:59.020 Jacob that carry on the blessing that way. So, uh, 0:16:59.420 --> 0:17:02.180 the question is, are they Semites? Right. Is that what 0:17:02.180 --> 0:17:07.540 your question is, Mark? Okay. They speak Semitic languages. The 0:17:07.540 --> 0:17:13.540 people of the Middle East. Uh, I, I think that 0:17:13.740 --> 0:17:17.820 that let's just talk a little bit about race for 0:17:17.820 --> 0:17:26.060 a moment. Uh, in the 19th century, racists began to 0:17:26.100 --> 0:17:33.899 identify Jewish people as from a particular, uh, race. Now, 0:17:33.900 --> 0:17:37.679 never before were Jewish people considered a race. That's 19th 0:17:37.720 --> 0:17:44.040 century pseudoscience. Uh, and and what they did is they 0:17:44.040 --> 0:17:49.840 chose the name Semite from Semitic languages. That's that's where 0:17:49.840 --> 0:17:55.760 it comes from. And, uh, in in the late 19th century, 0:17:55.800 --> 0:17:59.640 Wilhelm Marr, who was a hater of Jewish people, thought 0:17:59.640 --> 0:18:04.000 that the German word judenhass Jew hatred was so vulgar 0:18:04.000 --> 0:18:08.159 he wanted a more scientific sounding name. And so, uh, 0:18:08.160 --> 0:18:11.159 even though Jewish people are not a distinct race, uh, 0:18:11.480 --> 0:18:14.480 he called them the Semitic race and and coined the 0:18:14.480 --> 0:18:18.440 word antisemitism. That's where it comes from. So whenever you hear. 0:18:18.480 --> 0:18:21.560 And it meant Jew hatred. So whenever you hear someone say, 0:18:21.680 --> 0:18:27.359 I can't be anti-Semitic because I'm a Semite myself, that's 0:18:27.359 --> 0:18:30.960 just not true. anti-Semitism refers to hatred of the Jewish 0:18:30.960 --> 0:18:35.320 people exclusively, and not everyone that speaks a Semitic language 0:18:35.320 --> 0:18:39.770 like Arabic or Aramean or anything like that. Does that help? 0:18:40.450 --> 0:18:41.890 Thank you very much. Yes. 0:18:42.450 --> 0:18:47.409 Okay, good. Yeah. Glad. Glad that we could talk. Okay. 0:18:47.410 --> 0:18:50.090 We're going to talk to. Thanks for your call. We're 0:18:50.090 --> 0:18:54.570 going to talk to Susan. Listening in Florida. And welcome 0:18:54.570 --> 0:18:56.730 to Open Line. Susan, how can I help you today? 0:18:57.570 --> 0:19:00.290 Hi, how are you? That was an interesting story about 0:19:00.290 --> 0:19:04.530 your family. Um, I just had a question about the, um, 0:19:06.090 --> 0:19:10.530 in the Old Testament. They sacrificed animals. And then Jesus 0:19:10.530 --> 0:19:13.930 came and was the ultimate sacrifice for our sins. So 0:19:13.970 --> 0:19:16.369 in the new temple, they're going to build in Jerusalem. 0:19:16.850 --> 0:19:20.690 They talk about the red heifers being put back to sacrifice. 0:19:20.730 --> 0:19:23.810 Why are they going to go back to animal sacrifice? 0:19:25.010 --> 0:19:29.650 Well, it's in Ezekiel 40 through 48, Zechariah 14. There 0:19:29.650 --> 0:19:32.850 are many places where it talks about a millennial or 0:19:32.890 --> 0:19:37.060 kingdom temple, a temple when, uh. When Jesus is reigning 0:19:37.060 --> 0:19:37.660 on earth. 0:19:38.780 --> 0:19:39.220 Uh huh. 0:19:39.740 --> 0:19:43.780 That's what you're talking about, right? Yes. I would start 0:19:43.780 --> 0:19:49.300 by saying, do you think that the Old Testament sacrifices 0:19:50.460 --> 0:19:55.939 were effective in taking away sin? What do you. 0:19:55.940 --> 0:20:01.939 Think? I guess, I guess Jesus came to to make 0:20:01.940 --> 0:20:05.700 it better. But, uh, I guess it was a temporary. 0:20:06.220 --> 0:20:08.580 Was it? Wasn't that just temporary? 0:20:09.700 --> 0:20:12.619 Well, the the New Testament, the book of Hebrews says 0:20:12.780 --> 0:20:16.140 that the blood of bulls and goats never took away sin. 0:20:17.300 --> 0:20:19.660 Okay. It was just in a they said it was 0:20:19.660 --> 0:20:20.500 an atonement. 0:20:21.580 --> 0:20:23.180 But it was a way of looking at it is 0:20:23.220 --> 0:20:26.260 it was a covering, but it never took away sin. 0:20:27.060 --> 0:20:27.500 Okay. 0:20:27.540 --> 0:20:31.419 It pointed. It pointed forward to the coming of the 0:20:31.420 --> 0:20:38.240 Messiah who sacrifice alone would take away sin. Uh, okay. 0:20:38.280 --> 0:20:41.200 The way I kind of look at it. Think about 0:20:41.200 --> 0:20:49.480 when you, uh. When you. Pay. Use your credit card. Right. 0:20:49.960 --> 0:20:52.560 Then you can't pay it at the end of the month. 0:20:52.680 --> 0:20:56.000 So you just pay the minimum, right? It doesn't take 0:20:56.000 --> 0:20:58.280 away all the interest that it's accrued. It doesn't take 0:20:58.280 --> 0:21:02.840 away the principal. It just keeps the the the bill 0:21:02.840 --> 0:21:04.320 collectors off your back. Right? 0:21:05.119 --> 0:21:05.560 Right. 0:21:05.600 --> 0:21:08.920 That's what Old Testament sacrifices were like. They didn't take 0:21:08.920 --> 0:21:12.000 away the principal. They didn't deal with the sin. They 0:21:12.240 --> 0:21:16.040 they didn't even deal with the interest. But they just, uh, 0:21:16.040 --> 0:21:19.800 for like, the Yom Kippur sacrifice kept the the judgment 0:21:19.800 --> 0:21:25.320 away for another year. So that was the idea of it. 0:21:25.359 --> 0:21:28.920 It never took away sin. And that's really important because 0:21:28.920 --> 0:21:31.960 when we think about the millennial temple, those sacrifices won't 0:21:32.000 --> 0:21:36.369 take away sin either. They point backwards just as the 0:21:36.369 --> 0:21:40.970 Old Testament ones pointed forward. These will point backwards as 0:21:40.970 --> 0:21:45.889 a memorial to remember what the Messiah did. And the 0:21:45.890 --> 0:21:51.050 reason is death won't be very prevalent in the Millennial Kingdom. 0:21:51.609 --> 0:21:56.250 And so people who are born during the Millennial Kingdom 0:21:56.250 --> 0:21:58.650 will have to come to know the Lord. And in 0:21:58.650 --> 0:22:02.369 order to do that, uh, they they will have to 0:22:02.410 --> 0:22:05.530 trust in Jesus, and they'll have to believe that he 0:22:05.530 --> 0:22:07.970 died for them and rose again. And since death won't 0:22:07.970 --> 0:22:11.650 be very prevalent, there'll be sacrifices to teach them the 0:22:11.690 --> 0:22:14.810 significance of what the Messiah's atonement was about. 0:22:16.210 --> 0:22:16.770 Okay. 0:22:17.369 --> 0:22:19.490 So it looks backwards, doesn't look forward. 0:22:20.410 --> 0:22:21.810 More like a memorial thing. 0:22:22.170 --> 0:22:23.770 Okay. Yeah. All right. Thank you. 0:22:24.369 --> 0:22:27.609 Okay. Thanks so much for your call, Susan. Appreciate it. Uh, 0:22:27.609 --> 0:22:31.820 we're going to talk to Tony in West Chicago listening 0:22:31.820 --> 0:22:34.820 on Wmbi. Welcome to Open Line, Tony. How can I 0:22:34.859 --> 0:22:35.580 help you today? 0:22:35.980 --> 0:22:40.660 Yes. Good morning. Thank you. Um, my question, um, is, um, 0:22:40.780 --> 0:22:44.619 coming from my practice of starting my day, uh, with 0:22:44.619 --> 0:22:48.580 the Lord's Prayer, asking the Lord for daily, for my 0:22:48.580 --> 0:22:52.220 daily bread and so on. But I realized that, um, 0:22:52.619 --> 0:22:57.060 the Jewish, uh, practice is starting the day in the 0:22:57.100 --> 0:23:00.060 evening before. And I wondered, first of all, where does 0:23:00.060 --> 0:23:03.859 that come from? From a scriptural basis? And how should 0:23:03.859 --> 0:23:06.420 that affect our practice of prayer? 0:23:08.220 --> 0:23:13.300 Well, uh, it comes from the creation story. If you 0:23:13.300 --> 0:23:15.100 go back to the creation. 0:23:15.780 --> 0:23:16.300 Okay. 0:23:17.060 --> 0:23:22.540 Uh, it says evening came and then morning the first day. 0:23:22.859 --> 0:23:26.380 So the day starts with evening and then morning. So 0:23:26.380 --> 0:23:30.070 you have the erev and then the morning and then 0:23:30.150 --> 0:23:32.830 same thing. Evening came and then the morning, second day 0:23:33.070 --> 0:23:33.710 and so forth. 0:23:33.750 --> 0:23:34.109 Okay. 0:23:35.230 --> 0:23:38.310 Through the days of of creation. For the six days 0:23:38.310 --> 0:23:42.030 of creation. So that's where it comes from. Uh, I 0:23:42.070 --> 0:23:47.670 would say that in Judaism, what they did is they 0:23:47.670 --> 0:23:53.870 had evening prayers and morning prayers. And so, so, uh, 0:23:53.990 --> 0:23:57.310 I don't, you know, in fact, Jewish people pray morning, 0:23:57.310 --> 0:24:02.510 afternoon and evening officially in the synagogue. Uh, but also 0:24:02.550 --> 0:24:06.390 when you, uh, open your eyes. I was taught as 0:24:06.390 --> 0:24:08.550 a child, when you opened your eyes, you say the 0:24:08.550 --> 0:24:11.910 prayer called moedani, which is, I give thanks to you 0:24:11.910 --> 0:24:16.230 for restoring me, uh, after sleep. And you start your day. 0:24:16.270 --> 0:24:18.190 The very first thing you do when you open your 0:24:18.190 --> 0:24:22.430 eyes in the morning is you say that prayer. So 0:24:22.590 --> 0:24:25.469 as I was so I don't think there's any problem 0:24:25.750 --> 0:24:29.490 with you getting up in the morning and And establishing 0:24:29.490 --> 0:24:34.169 your own practice for your own, for your own daily devotional. 0:24:34.170 --> 0:24:34.810 Do you think? 0:24:35.850 --> 0:24:40.970 Okay. Um, and that actually raises the question I also 0:24:40.970 --> 0:24:46.010 had about how one was to read Genesis in terms of, um, 0:24:46.130 --> 0:24:52.570 you know, describing the day as, uh, evening and morning. Uh, 0:24:52.570 --> 0:24:55.850 I'm not quite sure understanding how that fits an entire 0:24:55.850 --> 0:24:59.810 24 hour period in, uh, just in the description of that. 0:25:00.930 --> 0:25:03.450 What do you mean? I don't understand your question. I'm sorry. 0:25:03.490 --> 0:25:09.210 Well, um, the Genesis account, um, remarks on each each 0:25:09.770 --> 0:25:14.010 day of creation, there was, um, evening and morning and 0:25:14.050 --> 0:25:17.530 the third day. Um, I'm not quite sure how how 0:25:17.530 --> 0:25:22.570 to understand the that, uh, phraseology evening and morning. And 0:25:22.570 --> 0:25:25.609 then there was a third day, as we understand it, 0:25:25.609 --> 0:25:29.300 to be, of course, a 24 hour period. Um, but, uh, 0:25:29.340 --> 0:25:34.020 evening and evening. Evening to morning is only a few hours. 0:25:35.100 --> 0:25:40.260 Well, no, no, it's it's encompassing. Night, night and day 0:25:40.260 --> 0:25:41.980 is really what it means. Night and day. 0:25:42.020 --> 0:25:43.300 Oh, I see, I see. 0:25:43.420 --> 0:25:47.100 And it's a merism. It encompasses the whole 24 hours. 0:25:47.340 --> 0:25:48.859 So anyway. Thank you. 0:25:49.300 --> 0:25:51.180 Thank you for your call. We'll be right back with 0:25:51.180 --> 0:25:55.220 the mailbag. The Febc mailbag? Tricia McMillan is bringing it in, 0:25:55.220 --> 0:25:57.700 so don't go away. You're listening to Open Line with 0:25:57.700 --> 0:26:13.780 Michael Ray Dolan. Welcome back to Open Line. I'm Michael 0:26:13.780 --> 0:26:18.379 Ray Zelnick. I'm really grateful for the Far Eastern Broadcasting 0:26:18.380 --> 0:26:21.780 Company for partnering with Open Line to bring you the 0:26:21.780 --> 0:26:29.389 weekly Febc mailbag. Uh. it's a terrific organization. They bring 0:26:29.390 --> 0:26:32.629 the good news of the Messiah Jesus, to people all 0:26:32.630 --> 0:26:37.230 over the world via media, also with personal engagement. You 0:26:37.230 --> 0:26:40.950 should check out the Febc podcast. It's called Until All 0:26:40.950 --> 0:26:45.150 have Heard. Just go to febc. Org and I think 0:26:45.190 --> 0:26:48.270 you'll be able to find the podcast right there or 0:26:48.270 --> 0:26:53.109 on your regular podcast provider, but check out febc. Org. 0:26:53.150 --> 0:26:56.389 Lots of great information over there. Joining me right now 0:26:56.390 --> 0:27:02.230 for the Febc mailbag is Tricia McMillan. She is the 0:27:02.230 --> 0:27:06.389 producer of Open Line, and I am glad to see you, Tricia. 0:27:07.190 --> 0:27:08.590 I'm glad to see you, too. 0:27:09.109 --> 0:27:15.390 Yeah, yeah. So, uh, well, uh, there's so much going on, 0:27:15.430 --> 0:27:17.510 and we haven't we haven't been around for the last 0:27:17.510 --> 0:27:19.590 couple of weeks. We had a pre-record last week and 0:27:19.590 --> 0:27:22.949 a pre-record the week before. It's good to be back, 0:27:22.950 --> 0:27:23.510 isn't it? 0:27:23.550 --> 0:27:29.010 It is. We've celebrated the resurrection since we were last live, 0:27:29.010 --> 0:27:31.290 and we're glad to be back. 0:27:31.330 --> 0:27:33.290 Then I was out of town last weekend. 0:27:33.730 --> 0:27:36.170 And we got to run a program that we recorded 0:27:36.170 --> 0:27:41.210 in February with broadcasters from around, I think mostly the 0:27:41.250 --> 0:27:44.650 US who got to ask their own questions, which was 0:27:44.650 --> 0:27:47.090 a lot of fun to do that. And now we're back. 0:27:47.090 --> 0:27:49.570 So I got to actually get into the mailbag and 0:27:49.609 --> 0:27:51.530 we can answer some of these questions. 0:27:51.890 --> 0:27:53.930 That's great. That's great. Hey, I did want to say 0:27:53.930 --> 0:27:56.730 since we were last together, this is kind of a 0:27:56.730 --> 0:28:02.450 cool thing. We, uh, I people have been really after 0:28:02.450 --> 0:28:05.290 me about going to Israel, so I'm going to go 0:28:05.290 --> 0:28:09.370 to Israel, God willing, in September. Uh, we're planning it now. 0:28:09.369 --> 0:28:11.689 And so people can check that out, go to our 0:28:11.690 --> 0:28:14.250 open line radio page. 0:28:14.290 --> 0:28:16.250 Like you're leading a trip to Israel. 0:28:16.609 --> 0:28:17.129 Yeah. 0:28:17.170 --> 0:28:18.570 Ah, okay. 0:28:19.250 --> 0:28:23.090 And they can scroll down to where it says, uh, 0:28:23.300 --> 0:28:25.460 check out Michael's web page and if you go there, 0:28:25.460 --> 0:28:28.220 you'll see about my trip that's coming up. Okay, it's 0:28:28.220 --> 0:28:29.140 pretty exciting when I. 0:28:29.140 --> 0:28:31.780 Think it is, because that's been on hold for so 0:28:31.780 --> 0:28:32.940 long just. 0:28:33.180 --> 0:28:35.540 Now. The thing is, people are afraid. I. I feel 0:28:35.540 --> 0:28:38.219 it's safe, uh, because we're not going to go to 0:28:38.260 --> 0:28:41.820 any place where there's any conflict happening. And, uh, it's 0:28:41.820 --> 0:28:44.580 it's a great time to go to Israel because, uh, 0:28:44.580 --> 0:28:46.780 very few people there have been talking to several friends 0:28:46.780 --> 0:28:51.220 who have had groups there, and they said, it's just 0:28:51.780 --> 0:28:57.420 beautiful and open and, uh, something that's really worthy, uh, 0:28:57.420 --> 0:29:01.100 worthwhile doing. So. Hope people will consider that. Yeah. Uh, 0:29:01.140 --> 0:29:04.860 check out, uh, our openlibrary.org go there. It's got a 0:29:04.860 --> 0:29:07.500 link to my web page that'll that'll tell you about it. 0:29:07.540 --> 0:29:10.380 Yeah. Great. And what do you know the dates offhand. 0:29:11.060 --> 0:29:14.620 Yeah. September 7th, I think through the 18th. Something like. 0:29:14.620 --> 0:29:19.060 That. All right. Yeah. Cool. Yep. All right, well, you 0:29:19.060 --> 0:29:22.110 want to hit some of these mailbag? Okay. Yeah. Um, 0:29:22.150 --> 0:29:26.110 first question is from Veronica in Tennessee, listens to WNBA. 0:29:26.630 --> 0:29:30.350 A coworker recently came to me and asked, we were 0:29:30.350 --> 0:29:35.870 talking about Exodus chapters 20 through 24. Oh, yeah. Okay. 0:29:36.110 --> 0:29:40.350 So this coworker insinuated that because chapters 20 and 24 0:29:40.630 --> 0:29:43.790 each begin with the Lord said, or God spoke, and 0:29:43.790 --> 0:29:47.830 the chapters 21 through 23 do not. That the law 0:29:47.830 --> 0:29:51.150 is given in those chapters did not come directly from God, 0:29:51.470 --> 0:29:55.470 but were instead influenced by the Code of Hammurabi. He 0:29:55.470 --> 0:29:59.230 was very excited by this new discovery. The coworker was. Uh, 0:29:59.230 --> 0:30:04.430 but the the, um, Veronica, our listener, thought that the chapters, 0:30:04.790 --> 0:30:07.070 the chapter breaks and verses were just put in by man, 0:30:07.070 --> 0:30:10.790 and so they shouldn't impact it at all. But she, uh, 0:30:10.790 --> 0:30:12.710 this has been bugging her, and she'd like to know. 0:30:12.750 --> 0:30:13.990 What what you say. 0:30:15.190 --> 0:30:17.630 Well, if you look at Exodus 20, it says, the 0:30:17.630 --> 0:30:19.870 Lord told Moses, this is what you're to say to 0:30:19.870 --> 0:30:24.530 the Israelites is verse 22. And then he goes on 0:30:24.570 --> 0:30:28.170 to say, make him. You must make an earthen altar. 0:30:28.930 --> 0:30:32.890 And then it talks about that. Then verse one of 0:30:32.890 --> 0:30:36.570 21 says, these are the ordinances that you must set 0:30:36.570 --> 0:30:42.490 before them. So that's God telling Moses, put these ordinances 0:30:42.490 --> 0:30:48.250 before them and it's ordinance after ordinance after ordinance through 0:30:48.290 --> 0:30:53.090 chapter 23, all from God. Now, I'm not saying that's 0:30:53.490 --> 0:30:58.170 Moses wrote down everything that God gave him, but everything 0:30:58.170 --> 0:31:01.210 that he thought would fit here. He put in there 0:31:01.210 --> 0:31:07.170 as sort of guidelines, uh, not guidelines laws. But more 0:31:07.170 --> 0:31:11.690 than that, they were like, uh, exemplary laws. So it 0:31:11.690 --> 0:31:15.810 may not cover everything imaginable, but it covers every category. 0:31:15.810 --> 0:31:17.770 And then we know how to deal with other things 0:31:17.770 --> 0:31:24.300 as well. so, uh, it's it's it's very interesting because 0:31:24.300 --> 0:31:26.380 it keeps going on and on and on. And then 0:31:26.380 --> 0:31:30.380 in chapter 24, it says, then he said to Moses, 0:31:31.420 --> 0:31:34.300 go up to the Lord, you, Aaron, Nadab, and Abihu, 0:31:34.300 --> 0:31:37.060 and the 70 elders of Israel. So it seems to 0:31:37.060 --> 0:31:39.780 me that it's all from the Lord. Uh, I do 0:31:39.780 --> 0:31:47.100 think that there's a style that the law reflects from, 0:31:47.700 --> 0:31:51.900 like the Code of Hammurabi. The those kinds of codes 0:31:51.900 --> 0:31:57.020 were considered the wise, the wisdom of the great king. 0:31:57.020 --> 0:32:02.020 They weren't really a, uh, like legislation, like we think 0:32:02.020 --> 0:32:07.100 of it. They were the wise laws of the the 0:32:07.140 --> 0:32:10.700 great king. And in the same way, the law of Moses, 0:32:10.700 --> 0:32:13.820 these regulations that are coming down from Moses should be 0:32:13.820 --> 0:32:20.110 looked at. God's wisdom, his laws for the people of Israel. Uh, 0:32:20.150 --> 0:32:22.990 it's the wisdom of their great king. Uh, and so 0:32:22.990 --> 0:32:27.030 it's culturally similar. But the law of Moses is not 0:32:27.070 --> 0:32:30.590 derived from the Code of Hammurabi. They're just similar. And 0:32:30.630 --> 0:32:33.830 they're both the the wise regulations of the great king. 0:32:34.390 --> 0:32:38.910 So stylistically. But it is not taken from that. Yeah. Okay. 0:32:38.950 --> 0:32:41.230 That's it. All right. I hope that helps, Veronica, in 0:32:41.230 --> 0:32:45.150 your continuing conversations with your coworker and even just for 0:32:45.150 --> 0:32:47.350 you as you think it through. So thank you for 0:32:47.350 --> 0:32:51.110 writing that in. Our next question is from Renee in Michigan, 0:32:51.270 --> 0:32:54.550 listens to WNBA, wants to know about the mercy seat 0:32:54.550 --> 0:33:01.190 that's mentioned in Leviticus 1614. Um, is it possible that 0:33:01.190 --> 0:33:05.150 there is a parallel to Jesus, um, with the sprinkling 0:33:05.150 --> 0:33:08.550 of the mercy seat making payment with his very own blood? 0:33:09.830 --> 0:33:14.910 Yeah. The the mercy seat, uh, is it was the 0:33:14.910 --> 0:33:17.370 place where the sacrifice was poured out and it was 0:33:17.370 --> 0:33:21.530 where Israel received mercy from God. That's that's why it 0:33:21.530 --> 0:33:24.610 was called the Mercy Seat. It wasn't where you sat. 0:33:24.650 --> 0:33:29.610 It was where the mercy was received. Uh, by pouring 0:33:29.610 --> 0:33:35.650 out the sacrifice right there. Uh, the the whole idea, 0:33:35.690 --> 0:33:39.930 you know, where it says, uh, the the word in 0:33:39.930 --> 0:33:44.730 Greek that's translated in the Septuagint for the mercy seat 0:33:45.130 --> 0:33:48.290 is then what's used? Do you remember the parable of 0:33:48.330 --> 0:33:52.850 the tax gatherer? Uh, and the Pharisee and the tax 0:33:52.850 --> 0:33:55.730 gatherer standing in the temple. And he says, Lord, be 0:33:55.730 --> 0:33:59.570 merciful to me, the sinner. You remember that story? Well, 0:33:59.570 --> 0:34:01.730 he uses the very same word that's used for the 0:34:01.730 --> 0:34:06.970 mercy seat in the Septuagint from, uh, from Leviticus. Be 0:34:06.970 --> 0:34:12.529 propitious towards me. Uh. Be satisfied. Have your wrath be satisfied. 0:34:12.530 --> 0:34:17.259 For me, that's that's the concept, uh, Because God's the 0:34:17.260 --> 0:34:23.740 sacrifice satisfied God's wrath. So, uh, that's that's kind of interesting, 0:34:23.739 --> 0:34:24.259 don't you think? 0:34:24.300 --> 0:34:25.500 It's very interesting. 0:34:26.140 --> 0:34:29.620 And then we see that very same word, propitiation, uh, 0:34:29.620 --> 0:34:32.739 where it talks about the Lord Jesus being the propitiation, 0:34:32.780 --> 0:34:35.900 the satisfaction for our sins so that we can receive 0:34:35.900 --> 0:34:40.020 mercy as well. So in first John two, where it says, 0:34:40.020 --> 0:34:42.100 I write these things to you, that you may not sin, 0:34:42.940 --> 0:34:47.580 but if anyone does sin, he has an advocate, Jesus 0:34:47.580 --> 0:34:52.379 Christ the righteous right, Jesus the Messiah, the righteous. And 0:34:52.380 --> 0:34:57.380 then it says, who is the propitiation for our sins 0:34:58.380 --> 0:35:01.060 and not our sins alone, but the sins of the 0:35:01.060 --> 0:35:06.260 whole world? So it's that satisfaction, uh, and, and that's 0:35:06.300 --> 0:35:08.620 offered in the book of Hebrews. It says, the Lord 0:35:08.620 --> 0:35:11.780 Jesus presented his sacrifice in the true temple in heaven 0:35:11.780 --> 0:35:15.270 on the true mercy seat, and that the earthly tabernacle 0:35:15.270 --> 0:35:19.830 and temple is just a reproduction of the real mercy 0:35:19.830 --> 0:35:21.469 seat that we see in heaven. 0:35:23.030 --> 0:35:26.149 Mm. So, so is the Greek. 0:35:26.150 --> 0:35:26.590 Word. 0:35:26.710 --> 0:35:31.350 Propitiation or that that gets used in the Septuagint. 0:35:31.390 --> 0:35:33.870 The word propitiation that you see in the New Testament 0:35:34.030 --> 0:35:37.549 is the Septuagint word, the Greek translation of the Old 0:35:37.590 --> 0:35:41.430 Testament from the second century BC. They use that word 0:35:42.110 --> 0:35:43.190 for the mercy seat. 0:35:43.510 --> 0:35:43.910 Okay. 0:35:43.950 --> 0:35:44.870 Propitiation. 0:35:44.870 --> 0:35:45.190 Okay. 0:35:45.230 --> 0:35:47.230 They would call it. They would call it the place 0:35:47.230 --> 0:35:48.310 of propitiation. 0:35:48.350 --> 0:35:52.270 Okay. All right. So this would. So there would definitely 0:35:52.270 --> 0:35:54.150 be a parallel there. Yeah. 0:35:54.190 --> 0:35:56.910 Yeah. And then the book of Hebrews, the Lord offered 0:35:56.910 --> 0:36:00.670 his sacrifice in the the true temple in heaven. Uh, 0:36:01.150 --> 0:36:04.589 if you read that, uh, it's really a remarkable that 0:36:04.590 --> 0:36:07.790 there is a true temple in heaven, and the earth 0:36:07.790 --> 0:36:10.709 is just a model of what they had on Earth 0:36:10.710 --> 0:36:13.490 is just a model of of that true. The throne 0:36:13.489 --> 0:36:14.290 room of God. 0:36:14.330 --> 0:36:16.410 Yeah. What verse is that or what chapter? 0:36:16.930 --> 0:36:19.250 Oh, it's it's repeated in Hebrews. But I have to 0:36:19.290 --> 0:36:27.530 turn there. It's over and over. And he Hebrews uh, it's, uh, 0:36:28.290 --> 0:36:28.970 by the way. 0:36:29.170 --> 0:36:30.850 This is how you know it's alive. I didn't. 0:36:32.090 --> 0:36:39.129 Uh, yeah, yeah. Uh uh, here we go. Uh. Uh, 0:36:39.130 --> 0:36:42.170 here we go. Hebrews eight. Now, the main point of 0:36:42.170 --> 0:36:45.009 what being what being said is this we have that 0:36:45.010 --> 0:36:46.969 kind of high priest who sat down at the right 0:36:46.969 --> 0:36:49.730 hand of the throne of the majesty in the heavens, 0:36:49.930 --> 0:36:54.689 a minister of the sanctuary and the true tabernacle that 0:36:54.690 --> 0:36:59.130 was set up by the Lord and not man. Uh, 0:36:59.450 --> 0:37:02.569 and he goes on to say that he offered his 0:37:02.570 --> 0:37:07.250 sacrifice there in Hebrews nine. It mentions it also, uh, 0:37:07.489 --> 0:37:11.940 once again that the Messiah appeared, uh, verse 11, High 0:37:11.940 --> 0:37:15.660 priest of the good things to come in the greater 0:37:15.660 --> 0:37:19.100 and more perfect tabernacle, not made with hands, that is 0:37:19.100 --> 0:37:22.340 not of this creation. He entered the Most Holy Place 0:37:22.340 --> 0:37:25.820 once for all, not by the blood of goats and calves, 0:37:25.860 --> 0:37:31.620 but by his own blood, having obtained eternal redemption. Uh, 0:37:31.900 --> 0:37:37.820 so that's that's in Hebrews eight and nine. 11. So 0:37:37.940 --> 0:37:40.379 lots of places in the book of Hebrews it says that. 0:37:40.420 --> 0:37:43.140 Yeah, there's so much, so much. Um, call back in 0:37:43.140 --> 0:37:46.620 Hebrews to the Old Testament sacrifices and different things. And 0:37:46.620 --> 0:37:50.500 so it's a it's always a, um, a lesson in, 0:37:50.780 --> 0:37:54.739 in seeing that come to fruition through Christ when we 0:37:54.739 --> 0:37:55.540 read Hebrews. 0:37:56.180 --> 0:37:58.540 So one of my exciting things for the fall semester 0:37:58.540 --> 0:38:00.620 is I'm going to teach the book of Hebrews. So 0:38:00.620 --> 0:38:01.899 I'm pretty excited about that. 0:38:01.900 --> 0:38:04.500 Okay. I may have to get married at Moody. 0:38:04.540 --> 0:38:06.860 At Moody Bible Institute. Yes. It's very exciting. 0:38:06.900 --> 0:38:09.100 Oh, fun. It'll be a great day. 0:38:09.219 --> 0:38:12.069 Uh, let's we're going to take a break. But before 0:38:12.070 --> 0:38:15.989 we do, I do want to mention, uh, that I 0:38:16.030 --> 0:38:19.750 appreciate being back with you. 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Tricia 0:39:33.600 --> 0:39:36.719 puts together the mailbag. I don't when they come in, 0:39:36.719 --> 0:39:39.680 when those questions come in by going to npr.org and 0:39:39.680 --> 0:39:42.560 clicking on ask Michael a question. Trish is the one 0:39:42.560 --> 0:39:44.960 that sees them. She puts it together. And then we 0:39:44.960 --> 0:39:47.879 go over them together. And thanks for sending them in. 0:39:47.920 --> 0:39:49.719 We're going to be right back with more of your 0:39:49.719 --> 0:39:52.799 questions in just a moment. Right here on Open Line. 0:39:52.800 --> 0:39:53.200 With. 0:39:53.239 --> 0:40:08.420 Tricia McMillan and Michael Ray. Welcome back to Open Line. 0:40:08.540 --> 0:40:11.620 So glad to be with you on this Saturday morning. 0:40:11.660 --> 0:40:14.380 You know, people frequently have questions about the Jewish people 0:40:14.380 --> 0:40:17.859 about Israel. Are they still the chosen people? Where do 0:40:17.860 --> 0:40:20.580 they fit in the plan of God? And so Chosen 0:40:20.580 --> 0:40:24.060 People Ministries, one of our radio partners, is offering a 0:40:24.060 --> 0:40:28.140 booklet called Why Israel? It explores the topic of Israel 0:40:28.140 --> 0:40:31.620 through the lens of Scripture. Has the church replaced Israel 0:40:31.620 --> 0:40:35.339 in the plan of God? Does ethnic Israel still have 0:40:35.340 --> 0:40:38.860 a future? What do we think about Israel today? These 0:40:38.860 --> 0:40:43.180 questions and many more will be answered with a biblical 0:40:43.420 --> 0:40:47.340 an outline of biblical theology of Israel. Uh, for a 0:40:47.340 --> 0:40:50.140 free copy of Why Israel, just go to the Open 0:40:50.140 --> 0:40:54.660 Line website. Uh, that's open line radio.org. Scroll down. You'll 0:40:54.660 --> 0:40:56.540 see a link that says a free gift from Chosen 0:40:56.540 --> 0:40:59.460 People Ministries. Click on that and you'll be taken to 0:40:59.500 --> 0:41:01.100 a page where you can sign up for your very 0:41:01.100 --> 0:41:05.980 own free copy of Why Israel? And we're going to 0:41:06.070 --> 0:41:10.590 talk to Crystal in Richton Park, Illinois, listening on Wmbi. 0:41:10.870 --> 0:41:13.430 Welcome to Open Line, Crystal. How can I help you today? 0:41:14.190 --> 0:41:17.670 Oh, great. Good morning. Thanks for taking my call. Would 0:41:17.670 --> 0:41:23.109 you please define the Trinity and Oneness and explain the 0:41:23.110 --> 0:41:25.390 differences between both? 0:41:28.870 --> 0:41:34.109 Both Trinity and. Okay, first of all, the. Yeah, the 0:41:34.110 --> 0:41:37.150 Bible is very clear. There's only one God. Remember Deuteronomy 0:41:37.190 --> 0:41:40.390 six four, the the watchword of Israel. Hear, O Israel, 0:41:40.390 --> 0:41:43.589 the Lord our God, the Lord is one. Shema Yisrael, 0:41:43.630 --> 0:41:49.070 Adonai eloheinu, Adonai echad. That oneness is essential to understanding 0:41:49.070 --> 0:41:53.270 who God is. He is. There's only one God. Uh, 0:41:53.630 --> 0:42:01.390 contrary to the polytheism of of the nations that Israel faced. Uh, and, uh, 0:42:02.430 --> 0:42:06.480 now there's this mystery in the Old Testament that you 0:42:06.480 --> 0:42:09.520 know where God, even in Genesis two he says, let 0:42:09.520 --> 0:42:13.000 us make man in our image and according to our likeness. 0:42:13.320 --> 0:42:16.439 Why is he speaking about this plurality? Uh, I think 0:42:16.440 --> 0:42:20.120 one of the more interesting ones is in Isaiah 4816, 0:42:20.640 --> 0:42:24.000 where the one God is speaking, it's the Lord who 0:42:24.040 --> 0:42:29.880 is speaking. But in Isaiah 4816, remember, the context is 0:42:29.880 --> 0:42:36.640 really clear. It's God speaking. And uh, he says, uh, 0:42:37.760 --> 0:42:40.200 approached me and listened to this from the beginning. I 0:42:40.200 --> 0:42:44.000 have not spoken in secret from the time anything existed, 0:42:44.000 --> 0:42:47.359 I was there. Obviously that's God. Then he says, and 0:42:47.360 --> 0:42:51.000 now the Lord God has sent me. Wait, I thought 0:42:51.000 --> 0:42:56.120 God was speaking. The Lord God sent God and His Spirit. 0:42:56.120 --> 0:43:00.480 So right there you have this mystery of God once again, 0:43:00.680 --> 0:43:04.900 that in his oneness there seems to be a plurality. 0:43:05.420 --> 0:43:08.340 And the same thing. We get to the New Testament. 0:43:08.380 --> 0:43:10.660 You've got the God the Father, God the son, God 0:43:10.660 --> 0:43:14.219 the Holy Spirit. Uh, the Church fathers later talked about that. 0:43:14.219 --> 0:43:20.540 There is one essence of God reflected in three persons. Uh, 0:43:20.900 --> 0:43:24.819 without the God, the father is not God the Son. 0:43:24.820 --> 0:43:30.940 God the son is not. God the spirit, but they 0:43:30.940 --> 0:43:33.860 are all one God. I think it fits with Deuteronomy 0:43:33.900 --> 0:43:39.819 six four, because the word for God, the word for oneness, 0:43:40.380 --> 0:43:45.860 Echad can hold the idea of a composite unity, a unity. 0:43:46.140 --> 0:43:50.420 Our God is a unity. Uh, and there's only one God, 0:43:50.820 --> 0:43:54.299 but it is a he is, uh, in some sort 0:43:54.300 --> 0:43:57.420 of mysterious way that's hard for us to grasp. Uh, 0:43:58.219 --> 0:44:05.150 one God, uh, in a mysterious three person part. Uh, parts. 0:44:05.390 --> 0:44:11.270 So that's that's, uh, my non-technical explanation of the Trinity. 0:44:11.510 --> 0:44:15.870 Let's talk to Robert in Fort Lauderdale, Florida, listening on W.r.m. 0:44:16.150 --> 0:44:18.670 Welcome to Open Line. Robert. How can I help you today? 0:44:19.070 --> 0:44:22.310 Very good. I want to address what you were talking about, 0:44:22.310 --> 0:44:29.230 about a Bible dictionary. Um. What do you think about 0:44:29.230 --> 0:44:33.630 people using, uh, Google to look up stuff in the 0:44:33.630 --> 0:44:38.030 Bible versus a Bible dictionary? Just curious about your comment 0:44:38.030 --> 0:44:38.750 on that. 0:44:39.950 --> 0:44:44.790 Uh, well, I think people use Google all the time. Uh, 0:44:45.270 --> 0:44:46.430 do you use Google? 0:44:47.989 --> 0:44:51.509 Yeah, I, I use Google and I look up a 0:44:51.510 --> 0:44:54.990 lot of definitions, but, uh, and sometimes I do look 0:44:55.030 --> 0:44:58.910 up things in the Bible on Google, like Wikipedia and stuff, 0:44:58.910 --> 0:45:02.239 but I was just curious about that. 0:45:04.239 --> 0:45:08.120 I'm just. I'm just wondering, uh, do you find I 0:45:08.120 --> 0:45:10.040 was asking, do you use it? Do you find it 0:45:10.040 --> 0:45:11.120 always accurate? 0:45:12.840 --> 0:45:15.080 I suspect no. 0:45:15.760 --> 0:45:20.440 Yeah. There we go. That's the problem. So, uh, you know, 0:45:20.480 --> 0:45:23.799 everyone uses it, but I would say anyone that uses, uh, 0:45:23.800 --> 0:45:27.800 Google needs to use it with caution. Uh, even use 0:45:27.800 --> 0:45:32.000 a Bible dictionary like this one, the Holman, uh, Ultimate 0:45:32.000 --> 0:45:35.080 Bible Dictionary that I, with a gift of any size 0:45:35.080 --> 0:45:38.160 to open line, uh, will send you this as a 0:45:38.160 --> 0:45:41.520 thank you gift. We're really grateful for your giving if 0:45:41.520 --> 0:45:45.200 you do that. But if you use this Bible dictionary, 0:45:45.239 --> 0:45:48.560 even use that with caution. They're not perfect. They're made 0:45:48.560 --> 0:45:51.439 by human beings who are not perfect. However, I would 0:45:51.440 --> 0:45:57.320 say the likelihood of looking something up in this Bible 0:45:57.320 --> 0:46:02.140 dictionary written by Bible scholars who love the Lord. Uh, 0:46:02.620 --> 0:46:06.180 you're going to do a lot better with, uh, accuracy. 0:46:06.420 --> 0:46:08.460 So I'm not saying don't use the other stuff, but 0:46:08.460 --> 0:46:11.940 you can have a good deal more confidence with a 0:46:12.060 --> 0:46:16.140 Bible dictionary like the Ultimate Bible dictionary. Hey, thanks for 0:46:16.140 --> 0:46:19.700 your call. I can't believe the first hour is up, 0:46:19.940 --> 0:46:23.140 but there's another hour of open line on most of 0:46:23.140 --> 0:46:26.660 these stations. So, uh, stick around with us. If your 0:46:26.660 --> 0:46:30.620 station doesn't carry it, check out our our web page, 0:46:30.620 --> 0:46:33.820 open line radio.org. You can listen there. You can also 0:46:33.820 --> 0:46:36.500 get the podcast. 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