1 00:00:00,040 --> 00:00:02,480 S1: Hi friends. Thanks so much for downloading this podcast, and 2 00:00:02,480 --> 00:00:06,000 S1: I hope truly that you will hear something that will encourage, edify, equip, 3 00:00:06,000 --> 00:00:08,360 S1: and enlighten you to get out there and influence and 4 00:00:08,400 --> 00:00:11,040 S1: occupy until he comes. And on that note, may I 5 00:00:11,039 --> 00:00:13,080 S1: take just a few moments here to describe this month's 6 00:00:13,080 --> 00:00:15,920 S1: truth tool? It's by pastor Jack Hibbs. He's written the 7 00:00:15,920 --> 00:00:19,040 S1: book called Called to Take a Bold Stand. I absolutely 8 00:00:19,040 --> 00:00:21,520 S1: love this book because it reminds us that in Christ 9 00:00:21,520 --> 00:00:24,480 S1: all things pass away. 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Now 39 00:01:37,310 --> 00:01:39,190 S1: please enjoy the broadcast. 40 00:01:40,709 --> 00:01:42,230 S2: Here are some of the news headlines we're watching. 41 00:01:42,550 --> 00:01:44,789 S3: The conference was over. The president won a pledge. 42 00:01:44,950 --> 00:01:46,990 S4: Americans worshiping government over God. 43 00:01:47,350 --> 00:01:50,710 S5: Extremely rare safety move by a 17 years. 44 00:01:50,710 --> 00:01:53,550 S4: The Palestinians and Israelis negotiated a. 45 00:01:55,710 --> 00:01:56,150 S5: Truce. 46 00:02:08,669 --> 00:02:11,470 S1: Hi friends. Welcome to In the Market with Janet Partial. 47 00:02:11,470 --> 00:02:13,670 S1: Thank you so much for choosing to spend the hour 48 00:02:13,669 --> 00:02:16,070 S1: with us. I hope you're going to find encouragement in 49 00:02:16,070 --> 00:02:18,350 S1: our conversation this hour. And let me just get you 50 00:02:18,389 --> 00:02:20,950 S1: thinking about what we might be talking about by asking 51 00:02:20,950 --> 00:02:24,710 S1: you a couple of questions. So have you ever felt betrayed? 52 00:02:24,750 --> 00:02:28,030 S1: Have you ever been wounded by a family member? Have 53 00:02:28,030 --> 00:02:32,070 S1: you ever found yourself in a pit of circumstances? Have 54 00:02:32,070 --> 00:02:35,750 S1: you ever decided that you didn't have the patience to 55 00:02:35,790 --> 00:02:38,470 S1: endure whatever trial the Lord put you in? Have you 56 00:02:38,470 --> 00:02:41,470 S1: ever decided that, oh, you had to dig really deep 57 00:02:41,470 --> 00:02:46,030 S1: and really forgive someone who's deeply, deeply wounded? You. Have 58 00:02:46,030 --> 00:02:48,030 S1: you ever thought that maybe God has called you to 59 00:02:48,070 --> 00:02:50,390 S1: leave a legacy? If you said yes to any of 60 00:02:50,389 --> 00:02:52,390 S1: those questions, and there's a whole lot more where that 61 00:02:52,389 --> 00:02:55,350 S1: came from, then you are in for a great conversation. 62 00:02:55,350 --> 00:02:57,860 S1: One of my favorite stories in Scripture is the story 63 00:02:57,860 --> 00:03:00,500 S1: of Joseph in the Old Testament. We love that character 64 00:03:00,500 --> 00:03:02,620 S1: so much that as Craig and I were praying before 65 00:03:02,620 --> 00:03:05,540 S1: we named our children, Joseph was one of our sons. 66 00:03:05,540 --> 00:03:08,420 S1: As a direct result of the Joseph you find in 67 00:03:08,419 --> 00:03:10,500 S1: the Old Testament, it's a story that can be read 68 00:03:10,500 --> 00:03:13,260 S1: over and over and over again and should be. And 69 00:03:13,260 --> 00:03:15,260 S1: every time you read it, you're going to find something 70 00:03:15,260 --> 00:03:17,380 S1: there you didn't find before that's going to tell you 71 00:03:17,380 --> 00:03:20,260 S1: something about you, but far more importantly, it will tell 72 00:03:20,260 --> 00:03:22,580 S1: you about the goodness of God. And there's a brand 73 00:03:22,580 --> 00:03:25,100 S1: new book out that really dives deep into the story 74 00:03:25,100 --> 00:03:28,140 S1: of Joseph. It's called God Won't Leave You There. It 75 00:03:28,139 --> 00:03:30,980 S1: is written by mother and daughter team Anne Graham Lotz 76 00:03:30,980 --> 00:03:33,740 S1: and Rachel Ruth Lotz writes, let me introduce them. I'm 77 00:03:33,740 --> 00:03:36,260 S1: sure you already know, but Anne, of course, is called 78 00:03:36,260 --> 00:03:38,580 S1: the best preacher in the family. According to her father, 79 00:03:38,580 --> 00:03:41,780 S1: Billy Graham, she has spoken and speaks around the world 80 00:03:41,780 --> 00:03:43,980 S1: with wisdom and authority. And where does that come from? 81 00:03:43,980 --> 00:03:47,260 S1: Because she is immersed in the Word of God, she 82 00:03:47,260 --> 00:03:50,180 S1: has a best selling and award winning author of 21 books. 83 00:03:50,180 --> 00:03:53,660 S1: She is the president of Angel Ministries in Raleigh, North Carolina, 84 00:03:53,660 --> 00:03:56,339 S1: and previously served as the chairman of the National Day 85 00:03:56,340 --> 00:03:59,060 S1: of Prayer Task Force. One of her precious children is 86 00:03:59,060 --> 00:04:02,580 S1: Rachel Ruth. Rachel. Ruth Wright is the daughter of Anne 87 00:04:02,580 --> 00:04:07,140 S1: Graham Lotz, granddaughter of Billy Graham, vice president of Angel ministries, 88 00:04:07,140 --> 00:04:10,020 S1: and has shared God's Word, God's Word as a speaker 89 00:04:10,020 --> 00:04:13,220 S1: around the world. She teaches an online Bible study that 90 00:04:13,220 --> 00:04:17,540 S1: reaches over 137 different countries with thousands of registered attendees, 91 00:04:17,700 --> 00:04:19,740 S1: and we have the privilege of spending the hour with 92 00:04:19,740 --> 00:04:22,580 S1: both of you. Welcome. You know, I thought this through 93 00:04:22,820 --> 00:04:25,980 S1: between Anne Graham Lotz and Rachel Ruth Lotz, right? That's 94 00:04:25,980 --> 00:04:28,540 S1: seven names between two women. And that doesn't count your 95 00:04:28,540 --> 00:04:29,260 S1: middle names. 96 00:04:31,380 --> 00:04:34,380 S6: Thank you for attempting to tackle it. Just call me 97 00:04:34,420 --> 00:04:38,940 S6: Anne or call Rachel. Ruth. Rach. That's it. Oh. 98 00:04:39,380 --> 00:04:42,140 S1: I love this book. I thank you so much for it. 99 00:04:42,180 --> 00:04:43,900 S1: You know, you think you know a story. And that's 100 00:04:43,900 --> 00:04:45,780 S1: the thing about the Word of God, isn't it? You 101 00:04:45,779 --> 00:04:48,420 S1: read it and you never come away disappointed because you 102 00:04:48,420 --> 00:04:51,420 S1: always find something else. And I just love this story 103 00:04:51,420 --> 00:04:53,460 S1: with all my heart. But first I thought, okay, I 104 00:04:53,460 --> 00:04:55,890 S1: want to know for you too, what the process was like, 105 00:04:55,890 --> 00:04:57,490 S1: and this isn't the first time you've done it. And 106 00:04:57,490 --> 00:04:59,250 S1: Lord willing, it won't be the last because you're a 107 00:04:59,250 --> 00:05:01,890 S1: fabulous team together. But how does that work? How does 108 00:05:01,890 --> 00:05:04,330 S1: the process work? You know, we're all fearfully and wonderfully made, 109 00:05:04,330 --> 00:05:06,930 S1: and we all have our different approaches and our different points. 110 00:05:07,130 --> 00:05:09,370 S1: So how do the two of you work in groove 111 00:05:09,410 --> 00:05:11,570 S1: together when you write? And by the way, we're friends, 112 00:05:11,570 --> 00:05:13,730 S1: so don't wait for me to ask one person a question. 113 00:05:13,730 --> 00:05:15,890 S1: Both of you jump in. We're just having conversation around 114 00:05:15,890 --> 00:05:16,650 S1: the table here. 115 00:05:17,650 --> 00:05:21,090 S6: Rachel. Ruth had just taught the Bible study in her 116 00:05:21,089 --> 00:05:24,530 S6: online class, and so it was very fresh on her heart. 117 00:05:24,850 --> 00:05:27,969 S6: So she did the heavy lifting. I've taught Joseph before, 118 00:05:27,970 --> 00:05:30,810 S6: but she wrote the chapters. And so each chapter she 119 00:05:30,810 --> 00:05:32,810 S6: would write, she would send it to me. Then I 120 00:05:32,810 --> 00:05:36,650 S6: would go over it and I would delete ads, smooth out, 121 00:05:36,690 --> 00:05:40,170 S6: you know, just sort of polish it. But but I 122 00:05:40,170 --> 00:05:42,610 S6: wanted to leave her a voice in because she has 123 00:05:42,610 --> 00:05:46,890 S6: so much passion and energy and imagination. And so the 124 00:05:46,890 --> 00:05:49,409 S6: book is written in her first person. Even though it 125 00:05:49,410 --> 00:05:52,010 S6: was a collaborative effort. She put it in the first 126 00:05:52,010 --> 00:05:55,080 S6: person and then I added, um, wrote the front material. 127 00:05:55,080 --> 00:05:57,360 S6: And at the end of each chapter there's a section, 128 00:05:57,720 --> 00:06:01,160 S6: Jesus in the shadows how we recognize we saw Jesus 129 00:06:01,160 --> 00:06:04,280 S6: in Joseph's life and then a prayer. And I wrote 130 00:06:04,279 --> 00:06:07,280 S6: both of those pieces. But but she did the bulk 131 00:06:07,279 --> 00:06:11,360 S6: of it just, um, and it's amazing. Janet. She just, um, 132 00:06:11,400 --> 00:06:15,920 S6: it's captivating. It reads like a novel. It does. I 133 00:06:15,920 --> 00:06:18,200 S6: think she could, she could have done great on her own, 134 00:06:18,200 --> 00:06:20,440 S6: but I think the two of us together made it 135 00:06:20,600 --> 00:06:22,159 S6: better than either one of us could have done it 136 00:06:22,160 --> 00:06:22,960 S6: by ourselves. 137 00:06:23,000 --> 00:06:25,480 S1: Oh, so, Rachel, Ruth, when your mom's talking and you 138 00:06:25,520 --> 00:06:28,400 S1: hear her say that, um, is it hard to take 139 00:06:28,400 --> 00:06:30,440 S1: direction from your mom? I mean, do you. Is it 140 00:06:30,440 --> 00:06:32,360 S1: still the little girl in you and your mom's telling 141 00:06:32,360 --> 00:06:34,279 S1: you something or, you know, you're kind of in a 142 00:06:34,279 --> 00:06:37,799 S1: corporate relationship, too? President, vice president of Angel ministries. So 143 00:06:37,920 --> 00:06:40,400 S1: you're connecting on multiple levels. So how do you receive 144 00:06:40,400 --> 00:06:42,599 S1: the direction from your mom? Is it easy or hard? 145 00:06:43,279 --> 00:06:46,800 S7: My, my mom is just a wealth of wisdom. And 146 00:06:46,800 --> 00:06:50,640 S7: so I feel like, um, I need to smack myself 147 00:06:50,640 --> 00:06:53,320 S7: if I want to argue with her or tell myself 148 00:06:53,320 --> 00:06:55,600 S7: that I. You know, because she just has so much 149 00:06:55,600 --> 00:06:59,040 S7: knowledge and wisdom from experience. And I love the fact 150 00:06:59,040 --> 00:07:01,480 S7: that the Lord called us both to do this book 151 00:07:01,480 --> 00:07:04,320 S7: on Joseph, because we've been through so much, and I 152 00:07:04,320 --> 00:07:07,360 S7: don't think we could have written it if we hadn't. 153 00:07:07,360 --> 00:07:11,239 S7: And so it was something that we had to do together. And, um, 154 00:07:11,440 --> 00:07:14,800 S7: and I see that and the Lord blessed it. And, um, 155 00:07:14,800 --> 00:07:17,040 S7: and I think it's, I'm excited about the book. 156 00:07:17,400 --> 00:07:19,040 S1: I'm happy for you and you have a reason to 157 00:07:19,040 --> 00:07:21,920 S1: be excited. It is a fabulous study. So Rach, to 158 00:07:21,920 --> 00:07:24,600 S1: you first when you were studying Joseph, because you don't 159 00:07:24,640 --> 00:07:27,120 S1: teach until the Lord has taught you, you're prepared and 160 00:07:27,120 --> 00:07:29,640 S1: then you go out and preach. So what was the 161 00:07:29,640 --> 00:07:32,600 S1: biggest takeaway? If I were to say 30s in an elevator? Hey, 162 00:07:32,640 --> 00:07:34,640 S1: tell me about this. Joseph. In the Old Testament, what's 163 00:07:34,640 --> 00:07:37,000 S1: the number one characteristic that comes to your mind? 164 00:07:37,640 --> 00:07:41,960 S7: Oh, I think Joseph, what he went through when his 165 00:07:41,960 --> 00:07:46,080 S7: life turned upside down in one second. Um, he went 166 00:07:46,080 --> 00:07:50,270 S7: through all that and remain faithful to the Lord, And 167 00:07:50,270 --> 00:07:52,990 S7: he did not grow bitter, and he didn't turn his 168 00:07:52,990 --> 00:07:56,230 S7: back on God. He didn't get angry with God. He 169 00:07:56,230 --> 00:08:00,390 S7: didn't just try and sabotage Potiphar's house. And, you know, he, 170 00:08:00,590 --> 00:08:03,470 S7: he just submitted to what God's plan was for his 171 00:08:03,470 --> 00:08:06,990 S7: life and went after it. And, and so I think 172 00:08:06,990 --> 00:08:11,390 S7: just his, his focus on the Lord, despite the horrendous 173 00:08:11,390 --> 00:08:15,030 S7: suffering in his life and the upheaval in his life. And, um, 174 00:08:15,350 --> 00:08:18,270 S7: it's just, I mean, in a nutshell, I think that's 175 00:08:18,270 --> 00:08:22,390 S7: what stood out to me is Joseph didn't, um, let 176 00:08:22,390 --> 00:08:26,070 S7: the things of life, the hardships of life, embitter him 177 00:08:26,070 --> 00:08:29,150 S7: and make him angry, but instead he thrived under him 178 00:08:29,150 --> 00:08:31,230 S7: and served the Lord faithfully through it. 179 00:08:31,270 --> 00:08:32,670 S1: Wow. And how about you? 180 00:08:33,510 --> 00:08:36,790 S6: I think, um, steadfast faith, you know, and I know 181 00:08:36,790 --> 00:08:40,310 S6: his faith grew under that hardship, but. And the foundation 182 00:08:40,309 --> 00:08:43,110 S6: was laid in his home. But then when his life was, 183 00:08:43,110 --> 00:08:45,030 S6: when he was thrown into a pit, sold into slavery 184 00:08:45,030 --> 00:08:48,950 S6: by his brothers, bought by Potiphar in Egypt, and then 185 00:08:48,990 --> 00:08:53,110 S6: at one point thrown into Pharaoh's prison. He never, as 186 00:08:53,110 --> 00:08:56,270 S6: Rachel pointed out in the book, his circumstances may have changed, 187 00:08:56,270 --> 00:09:00,310 S6: but his character didn't. And he just stayed very strong 188 00:09:00,309 --> 00:09:03,390 S6: in his faith and his trust in God. And he 189 00:09:03,390 --> 00:09:05,230 S6: says again and again that God was with him. So 190 00:09:05,230 --> 00:09:07,750 S6: he had that awareness of God's presence in his life. 191 00:09:07,750 --> 00:09:11,709 S6: And God gave him favor with everybody. But his faith 192 00:09:11,710 --> 00:09:12,829 S6: in God was amazing. 193 00:09:13,510 --> 00:09:16,350 S1: Wow, what a great way to start our conversation. Brand 194 00:09:16,350 --> 00:09:19,469 S1: new book by Anne Graham Lotz and Rachel Ruth Lotz write. 195 00:09:19,470 --> 00:09:21,990 S1: The book is called God Won't Leave You There. It 196 00:09:21,990 --> 00:09:25,430 S1: is a fabulous study on the life of Joseph. So 197 00:09:25,429 --> 00:09:28,710 S1: many takeaways. And and as Anne just said, there's a 198 00:09:28,710 --> 00:09:30,710 S1: part at the end of each chapter where we recognize 199 00:09:30,710 --> 00:09:33,230 S1: that in the story of Joseph, there is Jesus. We're 200 00:09:33,230 --> 00:09:35,189 S1: going to talk more about that. Stick around a lot 201 00:09:35,190 --> 00:09:49,700 S1: more coming your way. Are you living with a biblically based, 202 00:09:49,700 --> 00:09:52,300 S1: passionate faith, or are you pulling back from letting your 203 00:09:52,300 --> 00:09:54,740 S1: light shine? That's why I've chosen Cole to take a 204 00:09:54,740 --> 00:09:57,060 S1: bold stand as this month's truth tool. Learn how to 205 00:09:57,100 --> 00:10:00,140 S1: influence the culture for Christ in a transformative way. As 206 00:10:00,140 --> 00:10:02,220 S1: for your copy of call to take a bold stand 207 00:10:02,220 --> 00:10:03,740 S1: when you give a gift of any amount to. In 208 00:10:03,780 --> 00:10:08,420 S1: the market, call 877. Janet 58. That's 877. Janet 58. 209 00:10:08,460 --> 00:10:10,700 S1: Or go to in the market with Janet dot o 210 00:10:10,860 --> 00:10:15,740 S1: r g. We are spending the hour with Anne Graham 211 00:10:15,740 --> 00:10:18,980 S1: Lotz and Rachel Ruth Lotz, right, mother and daughter serving 212 00:10:19,020 --> 00:10:21,660 S1: together in ministry, writing together. And they've got another book 213 00:10:21,660 --> 00:10:24,740 S1: that they've co-authored called God Won't Leave You There Out 214 00:10:24,740 --> 00:10:27,060 S1: of the Pit and into God's Promise. It is the 215 00:10:27,059 --> 00:10:30,100 S1: study of Joseph, and it's superb. You know, as I 216 00:10:30,100 --> 00:10:32,699 S1: read your book, I had my Bible alongside with me, 217 00:10:32,700 --> 00:10:35,020 S1: already marked up with all kinds of notes from past studies, 218 00:10:35,020 --> 00:10:37,620 S1: just like both of you have. And you start with 219 00:10:37,620 --> 00:10:40,500 S1: chapter 37, and it says that Jacob lived in the 220 00:10:40,500 --> 00:10:43,460 S1: land where his father had served in the land of Canaan. 221 00:10:43,460 --> 00:10:45,420 S1: And this is the account of Jacob. And it starts 222 00:10:45,420 --> 00:10:48,820 S1: with Joseph. A young man of 17 was tending his flocks, 223 00:10:48,820 --> 00:10:50,780 S1: and I stopped, and I thought to myself, why is 224 00:10:50,780 --> 00:10:54,579 S1: it that so many of the patriarchs of Scripture are shepherds? 225 00:10:54,620 --> 00:10:56,500 S1: I was thinking about David. I was thinking about the 226 00:10:56,500 --> 00:10:59,060 S1: fact that Moses tended sheep for 40 years before he 227 00:10:59,059 --> 00:11:01,900 S1: had to lead Israelites. And then you've got Joseph, who's 228 00:11:01,900 --> 00:11:04,179 S1: out in the fields as well. I don't think it's 229 00:11:04,179 --> 00:11:06,660 S1: a coincidence. I don't think anything is a coincidence in 230 00:11:06,660 --> 00:11:09,420 S1: God's world. But isn't it fascinating how many of these 231 00:11:09,420 --> 00:11:12,380 S1: men come out from a background of being a shepherd? 232 00:11:12,540 --> 00:11:14,460 S1: And I'd love your take on that. Is it because 233 00:11:14,500 --> 00:11:16,860 S1: it's a it's a frowned upon. I mean, in reading 234 00:11:16,860 --> 00:11:19,220 S1: the book, both of you write that the Egyptians, because 235 00:11:19,220 --> 00:11:22,300 S1: it's in Scripture. The Egyptians hated shepherds. I mean, not 236 00:11:22,300 --> 00:11:24,580 S1: exactly a praised career choice. 237 00:11:25,140 --> 00:11:28,620 S6: Right? Exactly. But God used that to put the Hebrew 238 00:11:28,660 --> 00:11:31,660 S6: children in Goshen, where they developed into a nation. So 239 00:11:31,700 --> 00:11:35,140 S6: God used that. The fact that the Egyptians despised shepherds. 240 00:11:35,140 --> 00:11:37,940 S6: But I don't know. Janet, I'd have to think about that. 241 00:11:37,940 --> 00:11:41,140 S6: But I think shepherds, the characteristics of a shepherd are 242 00:11:41,140 --> 00:11:45,089 S6: so Christ like because he himself described himself as the 243 00:11:45,090 --> 00:11:47,970 S6: good Shepherd, and the good shepherd cares for his sheep, 244 00:11:47,970 --> 00:11:50,650 S6: gives his life for his sheep. Um, takes care of 245 00:11:50,650 --> 00:11:52,370 S6: them from the time they're born till the time they 246 00:11:52,370 --> 00:11:57,770 S6: die and protects them from danger. So. So I'm not sure. 247 00:11:57,809 --> 00:12:01,730 S6: You know, um, Joseph wasn't really a shepherd. He checked 248 00:12:01,730 --> 00:12:04,290 S6: on his brothers who were shepherds. You get the impression 249 00:12:04,290 --> 00:12:07,089 S6: that Joseph sort of stuck around the tent with his 250 00:12:07,090 --> 00:12:10,250 S6: father more than with his brothers. But, um. And then 251 00:12:10,250 --> 00:12:11,850 S6: when he went to Egypt, of course, he was in 252 00:12:11,850 --> 00:12:15,490 S6: charge of Potiphar's house and his fields and everything that 253 00:12:15,490 --> 00:12:18,610 S6: Potiphar owned. So he may have been overseeing people like that. 254 00:12:18,610 --> 00:12:21,770 S6: But but that's just an interesting thought, isn't it? And, um, 255 00:12:21,929 --> 00:12:24,010 S6: and many shepherds in Scripture and some of the minor 256 00:12:24,010 --> 00:12:28,130 S6: prophets were shepherds. So and certainly Jesus was the example 257 00:12:28,130 --> 00:12:29,530 S6: of the perfect good Shepherd. 258 00:12:29,570 --> 00:12:33,090 S1: So yeah. Yeah, exactly. So Rachel, Ruth, when there's so 259 00:12:33,090 --> 00:12:34,689 S1: much in the book, let me just point out that 260 00:12:34,690 --> 00:12:37,610 S1: you divide it into three sections, which is brilliant. And 261 00:12:37,610 --> 00:12:40,250 S1: each of it is comprised of the four chapters of 262 00:12:40,250 --> 00:12:42,170 S1: the book. So the first one is part one, God 263 00:12:42,170 --> 00:12:44,559 S1: is with you. The second part is God is guiding you. 264 00:12:44,559 --> 00:12:46,280 S1: And the third part is God will bring you through 265 00:12:46,280 --> 00:12:48,600 S1: this beautifully logical way in which you've laid it out, 266 00:12:48,600 --> 00:12:52,080 S1: but it's chronologically walking through the passages in Genesis that 267 00:12:52,080 --> 00:12:54,920 S1: tell us the story. So your mom makes an excellent point. 268 00:12:54,920 --> 00:12:57,120 S1: So he's not really a shepherd. His brothers are supposed 269 00:12:57,120 --> 00:12:59,280 S1: to be shepherds. They're not doing a real good job. 270 00:12:59,280 --> 00:13:01,640 S1: He comes back, he tells dad they're not doing so good. 271 00:13:02,040 --> 00:13:05,199 S1: So where does the animus from the brothers come from originally, 272 00:13:05,200 --> 00:13:07,200 S1: we know that he was a dreamer. Not one, but 273 00:13:07,200 --> 00:13:09,760 S1: two dreams. And he makes this as a 17 year 274 00:13:09,800 --> 00:13:12,160 S1: old child. You can imagine what this was like having 275 00:13:12,160 --> 00:13:13,840 S1: your older brother say, listen, I want to tell you 276 00:13:13,840 --> 00:13:16,080 S1: about my dream. So it's a flesh fight right out 277 00:13:16,080 --> 00:13:17,520 S1: of the gate. Talk to me about that. 278 00:13:18,720 --> 00:13:22,280 S7: Yeah. They, you know, I think as 17 year old 279 00:13:22,520 --> 00:13:26,040 S7: and he has these dreams that show his brothers bowing 280 00:13:26,040 --> 00:13:28,680 S7: down to him. And then the second dream not only 281 00:13:28,679 --> 00:13:31,319 S7: has his brothers bowing down, but his parents. And so 282 00:13:31,320 --> 00:13:35,120 S7: he starts telling everybody his, his family, all of his 283 00:13:35,120 --> 00:13:37,160 S7: brothers that, oh, one day, you know, you're going to 284 00:13:37,160 --> 00:13:39,200 S7: bow down to me. This is a dream that I had. 285 00:13:39,240 --> 00:13:41,960 S7: And they're like, what are you kidding? And, and, um, 286 00:13:42,000 --> 00:13:44,880 S7: and so they were jealous and they knew that Jacob 287 00:13:44,880 --> 00:13:47,720 S7: favored Joseph as well. And so it didn't, it didn't 288 00:13:47,720 --> 00:13:51,959 S7: help the situation. And, and so all of that, I 289 00:13:51,960 --> 00:13:54,679 S7: thought when I was writing the book, it's so strategic 290 00:13:54,679 --> 00:13:57,920 S7: of the Lord that even having jealous brothers, having a 291 00:13:57,920 --> 00:14:01,720 S7: dad that favored Joseph was all part of God's plan 292 00:14:01,760 --> 00:14:05,960 S7: because he was going to use that to push Joseph out, 293 00:14:06,000 --> 00:14:07,800 S7: you know, to take him to Egypt. He needed to 294 00:14:07,800 --> 00:14:10,960 S7: get him to Egypt because he needed Joseph there in 295 00:14:10,960 --> 00:14:13,960 S7: order to save their family and the future nation of 296 00:14:13,960 --> 00:14:19,520 S7: Israel and Egypt at the time. And so, um, God uses, um, 297 00:14:19,560 --> 00:14:24,440 S7: broken families and bad situations in homes and it sounds crazy, 298 00:14:24,440 --> 00:14:27,280 S7: but he does. And there's a purpose. It builds your character. 299 00:14:27,320 --> 00:14:29,920 S7: It sends you, it can put you to where God 300 00:14:29,920 --> 00:14:34,080 S7: wants you to be. But, um, but Joseph, uh, didn't 301 00:14:34,080 --> 00:14:37,240 S7: help the situation talking about, you know, the dreams that 302 00:14:37,240 --> 00:14:40,040 S7: he had, but, um, but God used it. He even 303 00:14:40,040 --> 00:14:41,230 S7: uses our mistakes. 304 00:14:41,270 --> 00:14:43,790 S1: Yes, but I loved your perspective. And let me underscore it, 305 00:14:43,790 --> 00:14:45,390 S1: because I want our friends to have picked up on 306 00:14:45,390 --> 00:14:47,870 S1: what you just did. It would be very easy to 307 00:14:47,910 --> 00:14:51,510 S1: always default to the mortals perspective on this, that, oh, 308 00:14:51,550 --> 00:14:53,710 S1: this is bad, this is terrible, this is awful. And 309 00:14:53,710 --> 00:14:55,910 S1: you just took this situation, which is going to go 310 00:14:55,910 --> 00:14:58,390 S1: from bad to worse very quickly over a long period 311 00:14:58,390 --> 00:15:00,230 S1: of time. One of my takeaways in reading the book 312 00:15:00,230 --> 00:15:03,790 S1: was the remembrance that this wasn't five minutes in jail. 313 00:15:03,790 --> 00:15:07,110 S1: This was in a dungeon for years. And when you 314 00:15:07,110 --> 00:15:09,590 S1: read in the space in the scriptures, it's like two 315 00:15:09,630 --> 00:15:13,190 S1: sentences apart. You fail to comprehend the depth of time 316 00:15:13,190 --> 00:15:15,590 S1: that's been allocated to that space in Scripture. And so 317 00:15:15,590 --> 00:15:17,830 S1: I was really struck with, whoa, that's a long time 318 00:15:17,830 --> 00:15:20,430 S1: to be in a dungeon. But what I find interesting 319 00:15:20,430 --> 00:15:22,670 S1: is that you said there was a purpose. There was 320 00:15:22,670 --> 00:15:26,590 S1: a purpose. There was a purpose that that same idea, 321 00:15:26,590 --> 00:15:29,990 S1: I think, harkens to Paul writing to the church at Philippi, 322 00:15:29,990 --> 00:15:32,310 S1: when he says that he's learned in whatsoever state he's 323 00:15:32,310 --> 00:15:34,590 S1: in to be content. How do you get there if 324 00:15:34,590 --> 00:15:37,350 S1: you don't? If you default to the mortals position, you're 325 00:15:37,350 --> 00:15:40,390 S1: always going to be looking at your circumstances, what Paul 326 00:15:40,390 --> 00:15:43,350 S1: did and what you just pointed out that Joseph does 327 00:15:43,550 --> 00:15:45,990 S1: is he sees God's hand in the midst of all 328 00:15:46,030 --> 00:15:48,270 S1: of this. That seems to me to be an act 329 00:15:48,270 --> 00:15:50,270 S1: of the will where we have to develop some muscle 330 00:15:50,270 --> 00:15:53,190 S1: memory to say, stop. Don't ruminate on the negative. God's 331 00:15:53,190 --> 00:15:53,510 S1: at work. 332 00:15:53,510 --> 00:15:55,230 S6: Here it. 333 00:15:55,230 --> 00:15:59,710 S7: Is. It's actually. Oh, sorry, mom, are you going to. Yeah. Well, 334 00:15:59,710 --> 00:16:04,630 S7: I was just thinking. It's actually amazing that he doesn't, um, 335 00:16:04,670 --> 00:16:07,710 S7: he goes into the situation going into Potiphar's house, and 336 00:16:07,710 --> 00:16:11,230 S7: then when he's thrown into prison wrongfully, um, he, he 337 00:16:11,230 --> 00:16:14,270 S7: just goes after it and he serves the Lord faithfully. 338 00:16:14,310 --> 00:16:17,430 S7: He doesn't get bitter. He doesn't focus on his circumstances. 339 00:16:17,430 --> 00:16:19,590 S7: He doesn't say, I'm the son of a wealthy man 340 00:16:19,590 --> 00:16:21,870 S7: in Canaan, you know, send me back. I shouldn't. I 341 00:16:21,870 --> 00:16:24,990 S7: don't belong here. And and instead of that, he just 342 00:16:24,990 --> 00:16:26,990 S7: took it from the Lord and then just did the. 343 00:16:27,030 --> 00:16:28,790 S7: He was the best slave he could be. He was 344 00:16:28,790 --> 00:16:31,470 S7: the best prisoner he could be. And, and when we 345 00:16:31,470 --> 00:16:34,270 S7: start focusing on our circumstances or like Peter, focusing on 346 00:16:34,270 --> 00:16:37,470 S7: the waves and sinking or, you know, then then things 347 00:16:37,470 --> 00:16:40,500 S7: start to get dicey. And that's when we've got to 348 00:16:40,540 --> 00:16:42,740 S7: put our eyes on Jesus and know there's a greater 349 00:16:42,740 --> 00:16:45,820 S7: picture to this. He's got a greater plan for our lives. 350 00:16:45,820 --> 00:16:47,980 S7: And and we just need to say, Lord, what is it? 351 00:16:48,020 --> 00:16:49,460 S7: What is it you're showing me here? What is it 352 00:16:49,460 --> 00:16:50,580 S7: you're wanting to teach me? 353 00:16:51,620 --> 00:16:53,620 S6: And, Janet, I think if I can just add. I 354 00:16:53,620 --> 00:16:57,860 S6: think it goes to something deeper. It's your perspective of God. 355 00:16:57,900 --> 00:17:00,420 S6: You know who you think God is. And if you 356 00:17:00,420 --> 00:17:03,820 S6: don't think God is good, then you need to settle that. 357 00:17:03,820 --> 00:17:07,820 S6: Because Joseph, obviously, he trusted God and he believed God 358 00:17:07,820 --> 00:17:10,620 S6: was good, that that everything in his life was for 359 00:17:10,619 --> 00:17:13,580 S6: a particular purpose. That's you quoted Paul. That's what Romans 360 00:17:13,580 --> 00:17:16,459 S6: 828 says, that all things work together for good to 361 00:17:16,500 --> 00:17:18,619 S6: those who love God and called according to his purpose. 362 00:17:18,619 --> 00:17:20,460 S6: And that's all things good and bad. 363 00:17:20,740 --> 00:17:21,140 S5: Wow. 364 00:17:21,420 --> 00:17:25,100 S1: Excellent perspective, wonderful book. Brand new book called God Won't 365 00:17:25,100 --> 00:17:28,899 S1: Leave You There out of the pit and into God's promises. 366 00:17:29,220 --> 00:17:31,620 S1: And the reality is, this is a study of Joseph, 367 00:17:31,619 --> 00:17:34,340 S1: but it's such a standard for us to subscribe to, 368 00:17:34,380 --> 00:17:37,090 S1: to understand the character and the nature of God and 369 00:17:37,090 --> 00:17:39,530 S1: how we respond to what happens to us this side 370 00:17:39,530 --> 00:17:51,370 S1: of glory back after this. God won't leave you there. 371 00:17:51,369 --> 00:17:53,570 S1: It is the brand new book by Anne Graham Lotz 372 00:17:53,570 --> 00:17:56,250 S1: and Rachel Ruth Wright, mother and daughter writing team. And 373 00:17:56,250 --> 00:17:59,410 S1: it's the study of the life of Joseph. And it's oh, 374 00:17:59,450 --> 00:18:01,450 S1: it's so well done. And it just reminds you again 375 00:18:01,450 --> 00:18:03,369 S1: of the richness that we find in Scripture. Aren't you 376 00:18:03,369 --> 00:18:05,570 S1: glad that the Lord gave us his Word? You know, 377 00:18:05,650 --> 00:18:08,370 S1: it's illuminating, isn't it? A light unto our path and 378 00:18:08,369 --> 00:18:10,090 S1: a light unto our feet. And I'm so glad that 379 00:18:10,090 --> 00:18:12,050 S1: we don't have to wake up every day and stumble 380 00:18:12,090 --> 00:18:14,090 S1: to figure out how we get through this life. We 381 00:18:14,090 --> 00:18:16,010 S1: have this wonderful gift of His Word, and I hope 382 00:18:16,010 --> 00:18:18,770 S1: we spend as much time in it as possible. So Anne, 383 00:18:18,810 --> 00:18:21,530 S1: I love stunning types in scripture. I love to see 384 00:18:21,530 --> 00:18:23,690 S1: the telling and telling and telling. So you can't say 385 00:18:23,690 --> 00:18:25,730 S1: you haven't been told. I mean, here are the archetypes 386 00:18:25,730 --> 00:18:27,930 S1: and the pictures that are all through scripture. So you've 387 00:18:27,930 --> 00:18:30,929 S1: got Abraham called to sacrifice his son. What a picture. 388 00:18:30,930 --> 00:18:33,330 S1: What a foretelling of what's going to happen at the cross. 389 00:18:33,570 --> 00:18:37,490 S1: And when I read the story of Joseph, he's still human. 390 00:18:37,490 --> 00:18:40,130 S1: He's not God by any stretch of the imagination, but 391 00:18:40,130 --> 00:18:44,210 S1: he is so configured to foreshadow the person of Christ. 392 00:18:44,210 --> 00:18:46,050 S1: And that's why I was thrilled. At the end of 393 00:18:46,050 --> 00:18:49,010 S1: every chapter, you talk about Jesus in the shadows. Just 394 00:18:49,050 --> 00:18:51,570 S1: kind of peek that for our friends listening so that 395 00:18:51,570 --> 00:18:54,369 S1: they can understand that he's a man. He's not God 396 00:18:54,369 --> 00:18:57,449 S1: incarnate like Jesus was. But it begins to tell us 397 00:18:57,450 --> 00:19:00,130 S1: something about the attributes of Jesus that we'll know more 398 00:19:00,130 --> 00:19:01,490 S1: about in the New Testament. 399 00:19:01,850 --> 00:19:05,409 S6: Well, there are so many similarities. You know, Joseph was 400 00:19:05,410 --> 00:19:08,210 S6: the beloved son of his father, and Jesus is the 401 00:19:08,210 --> 00:19:11,050 S6: beloved son of his father. And then Joseph went to 402 00:19:11,090 --> 00:19:14,210 S6: his brothers, who threw him in a pit. And Jesus 403 00:19:14,210 --> 00:19:16,330 S6: John chapter one says, he came into his own and 404 00:19:16,330 --> 00:19:18,450 S6: his own refused to receive him. You know, they didn't 405 00:19:18,450 --> 00:19:21,330 S6: receive him. And, um, and then they didn't throw him 406 00:19:21,330 --> 00:19:24,649 S6: in a pit. They ended up crucifying Jesus. Joseph ended 407 00:19:24,650 --> 00:19:28,609 S6: up enslaved, and Jesus ended up on a cross. And 408 00:19:28,770 --> 00:19:32,369 S6: Joseph was in prison. Jesus died and and was buried 409 00:19:32,369 --> 00:19:35,960 S6: in a tomb for three days. But then Joseph, just 410 00:19:35,960 --> 00:19:40,400 S6: in a nanosecond, was raised up from the. The prison, 411 00:19:40,600 --> 00:19:43,840 S6: and came second in command under Pharaoh, and he ruled 412 00:19:43,840 --> 00:19:47,880 S6: all of Egypt. Ruled basically the whole world under Pharaoh, 413 00:19:47,880 --> 00:19:52,399 S6: because Egypt was a world power at. That point, and 414 00:19:52,400 --> 00:19:55,720 S6: Jesus in a nanosecond was raised up from the dead, 415 00:19:55,720 --> 00:19:59,640 S6: where he now rules the universe. So. So the similarities. 416 00:19:59,640 --> 00:20:05,000 S6: And to see Joseph's character, to see his patience, to 417 00:20:05,000 --> 00:20:08,040 S6: see the way he trusted God in everything, to see 418 00:20:08,040 --> 00:20:12,399 S6: the way that his character never changed. Um, it was 419 00:20:12,560 --> 00:20:15,960 S6: he's just an amazing sort of a shadow. You see 420 00:20:16,000 --> 00:20:18,080 S6: Jesus in the shadows of his life. The Bible doesn't 421 00:20:18,080 --> 00:20:19,920 S6: tell us he's a type of Christ, but you just 422 00:20:19,920 --> 00:20:23,840 S6: see the similarities in a way that that makes him, um, 423 00:20:23,880 --> 00:20:27,920 S6: really extra special. I think he never did anything, you know, 424 00:20:27,920 --> 00:20:31,120 S6: he shared the dreams, but, um, Rachel, Ruth has a 425 00:20:31,119 --> 00:20:34,000 S6: good point that when you. God speaks to you twice. 426 00:20:34,000 --> 00:20:35,800 S6: And those dreams would have been God's word to Joseph 427 00:20:35,800 --> 00:20:37,359 S6: because he didn't have a Bible, he didn't have a 428 00:20:37,359 --> 00:20:40,119 S6: Torah and all that. And that is for emphasis. And 429 00:20:40,119 --> 00:20:42,680 S6: so Joseph must have known it 17 years of age. 430 00:20:42,880 --> 00:20:44,920 S6: God was speaking to him and telling him he was 431 00:20:44,920 --> 00:20:47,119 S6: going to be a leader. And so you see every 432 00:20:47,119 --> 00:20:49,760 S6: situation he's in, he becomes a leader in part of 433 00:20:49,760 --> 00:20:51,920 S6: his house, a leader in prison, and then, of course, 434 00:20:51,920 --> 00:20:56,119 S6: a leader in Pharaoh's court. So, so his his faith 435 00:20:56,119 --> 00:20:58,640 S6: in God's Word is faith in God, the goodness of God, 436 00:20:58,640 --> 00:21:00,600 S6: and his belief that God was going to bring him 437 00:21:00,600 --> 00:21:03,560 S6: through and keep his promise. And God did and brought 438 00:21:03,560 --> 00:21:07,320 S6: him through in a remarkable way. And then that God 439 00:21:07,320 --> 00:21:10,720 S6: did the same thing for Jesus. He, after all the 440 00:21:10,720 --> 00:21:16,000 S6: the struggle, the suffering, the persecution, the torture, all of that, 441 00:21:16,000 --> 00:21:18,600 S6: just whatever you described the cross as in his rejection, 442 00:21:18,640 --> 00:21:21,560 S6: God brought him through in a glorious way, seated him 443 00:21:21,560 --> 00:21:24,240 S6: at his right hand, you know, put all authority under 444 00:21:24,240 --> 00:21:27,159 S6: his feet. So it's a beautiful similarity. 445 00:21:27,200 --> 00:21:30,600 S1: Mhm. Absolutely. So, Rachel, Ruth, where do you think that 446 00:21:30,600 --> 00:21:33,429 S1: character comes from in Joseph. I mean, you look at 447 00:21:33,430 --> 00:21:36,229 S1: his father. He walks with a limp. I mean, he's 448 00:21:36,270 --> 00:21:39,470 S1: had some issues in his life. So you wonder he 449 00:21:39,470 --> 00:21:42,430 S1: wasn't like saying, well, you know, I've had Samuel for 450 00:21:42,430 --> 00:21:44,870 S1: my father. So you could understand that Joseph's personality might 451 00:21:44,869 --> 00:21:46,950 S1: be a little more understandable. But he had Jacob for 452 00:21:46,950 --> 00:21:50,109 S1: a dad. So and I'm not belittling by any stretch 453 00:21:50,109 --> 00:21:52,510 S1: of the imagination, the sovereignty and the molding and shaping 454 00:21:52,550 --> 00:21:54,990 S1: of God. But isn't it interesting? Plus, there are a 455 00:21:54,990 --> 00:21:56,669 S1: whole lot of kids in the house. How do you 456 00:21:56,670 --> 00:21:58,910 S1: think Joseph began to develop this character? 457 00:22:00,350 --> 00:22:04,430 S7: I think, I think Joseph was watching Jacob. We know 458 00:22:04,430 --> 00:22:07,629 S7: they're around each other a lot because he was Jacob's favorite. 459 00:22:07,630 --> 00:22:10,270 S7: And and sometimes you can have that in a family 460 00:22:10,270 --> 00:22:11,910 S7: where you can have a bunch of kids, but there's 461 00:22:11,950 --> 00:22:15,990 S7: one that takes from their parents their love for the 462 00:22:15,990 --> 00:22:19,270 S7: Lord and, and maybe the other, the other brothers, they 463 00:22:19,270 --> 00:22:22,390 S7: cared more about the, the robe that Joseph got or the, 464 00:22:22,430 --> 00:22:25,590 S7: you know, the, all the different things like that. But 465 00:22:25,590 --> 00:22:29,070 S7: I think Joseph must have seen something in his father 466 00:22:29,109 --> 00:22:32,350 S7: must have, you know, had Jacob tell him the stories 467 00:22:32,350 --> 00:22:35,310 S7: of when he used to meet with God or, um, 468 00:22:35,350 --> 00:22:39,109 S7: told him about his father or his grandfather and um, 469 00:22:39,109 --> 00:22:42,830 S7: and enough so that Joseph took it with him and, 470 00:22:42,830 --> 00:22:44,949 S7: and he had a love for God, he wouldn't have 471 00:22:44,950 --> 00:22:46,790 S7: been able to do what he did if he didn't 472 00:22:46,790 --> 00:22:50,950 S7: already have a love for God established. And, and I think, um, 473 00:22:50,950 --> 00:22:53,469 S7: it grew as he was in must have grown as 474 00:22:53,470 --> 00:22:57,150 S7: he was, um, just struggling and suffering. But, but there 475 00:22:57,150 --> 00:23:00,830 S7: was a definite relationship with the Lord there already. And 476 00:23:00,830 --> 00:23:03,030 S7: I think it had to have been established by him 477 00:23:03,030 --> 00:23:06,149 S7: watching his father. And I think Jacob had grown too. He, 478 00:23:06,310 --> 00:23:10,710 S7: he was older and wiser and following the Lord and 479 00:23:10,710 --> 00:23:12,670 S7: and must have really invested in Joseph. 480 00:23:12,910 --> 00:23:14,869 S1: Yeah, I think that's a great point. And do you 481 00:23:14,869 --> 00:23:16,030 S1: have something to add to that? 482 00:23:16,990 --> 00:23:19,950 S6: The fact that just as Rachel was sharing, I think, 483 00:23:19,950 --> 00:23:23,190 S6: how important it is for us to set an example. 484 00:23:23,470 --> 00:23:27,109 S6: And we're watched when sometimes we don't know we're being watched, 485 00:23:27,109 --> 00:23:29,939 S6: but it's our children, you know. They will listen to 486 00:23:29,980 --> 00:23:32,500 S6: what we say. But. Well, maybe. But but I think 487 00:23:32,500 --> 00:23:35,740 S6: they watch us more carefully than they listen. And so 488 00:23:35,780 --> 00:23:38,780 S6: if if they see us reading our Bibles, if they 489 00:23:38,780 --> 00:23:40,619 S6: see us on our knees in prayer, if they see 490 00:23:40,660 --> 00:23:43,660 S6: us sharing the gospel with somebody that impacts them much 491 00:23:43,660 --> 00:23:45,899 S6: greater than us telling them to read their Bibles, telling 492 00:23:45,900 --> 00:23:48,300 S6: them to pray, telling them to witness, you know? So. 493 00:23:48,580 --> 00:23:51,340 S6: So I think Rachel's point, and Joseph was pretty much 494 00:23:51,340 --> 00:23:54,740 S6: raised after Jacob had that experience at Peniel when he 495 00:23:54,820 --> 00:23:57,780 S6: surrendered to the Lord, and God changed his name from 496 00:23:57,780 --> 00:24:01,619 S6: Jacob to Israel. And because Israel, he said, meant prince 497 00:24:01,619 --> 00:24:03,619 S6: who had power with God. And I think the power 498 00:24:03,619 --> 00:24:06,780 S6: with God came because he was totally surrendered. And so. 499 00:24:06,820 --> 00:24:10,500 S6: So Joseph saw that in his father and. And I think, again, 500 00:24:10,500 --> 00:24:12,900 S6: going back to the point that Ruth made at the beginning, 501 00:24:12,940 --> 00:24:17,020 S6: God can use a broken home, he can use dysfunctional families, 502 00:24:17,020 --> 00:24:19,300 S6: and he can pull us out of a dysfunctional family 503 00:24:19,300 --> 00:24:20,619 S6: and use us for his glory. 504 00:24:21,140 --> 00:24:23,580 S1: Wow. And that's why we say God is good all 505 00:24:23,580 --> 00:24:26,540 S1: the time. This is the study of Joseph. It is fabulous. 506 00:24:26,609 --> 00:24:30,130 S1: There's so much depth and width and breadth to this story. 507 00:24:30,130 --> 00:24:32,889 S1: And Rachel, Ruth and Anne write about it beautifully in 508 00:24:32,890 --> 00:24:35,290 S1: their new book, God Won't Leave You There. And aren't 509 00:24:35,290 --> 00:24:55,730 S1: you glad he doesn't? Much more right after this. As 510 00:24:55,730 --> 00:24:57,890 S1: a Christian, how do you digest the cultural issues of 511 00:24:57,890 --> 00:25:00,570 S1: our day and in the market? We believe that understanding 512 00:25:00,570 --> 00:25:03,330 S1: happens when we bring biblical truth to expose the darkness 513 00:25:03,330 --> 00:25:05,169 S1: in our world. That's what we do every day and 514 00:25:05,170 --> 00:25:07,290 S1: in the market. 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Their 525 00:25:39,650 --> 00:25:42,649 S1: new book is called God Won't Leave You There. It 526 00:25:42,650 --> 00:25:45,450 S1: is the story of Joseph, and it's a marvelous breakdown 527 00:25:45,490 --> 00:25:48,490 S1: of his life and teaches us so many things about 528 00:25:48,490 --> 00:25:51,969 S1: the nature and characteristics of God. Uh, let me and 529 00:25:51,970 --> 00:25:54,090 S1: I'm not going to do the chronology of Joseph's life. 530 00:25:54,090 --> 00:25:55,890 S1: I want people to get the book and you walk 531 00:25:55,890 --> 00:25:58,410 S1: through this book and read it with Scripture. Open your Bible, 532 00:25:58,410 --> 00:26:00,730 S1: read it as an. And Rachel, Ruth are teaching. That's 533 00:26:00,730 --> 00:26:03,369 S1: the best way to do it. I found, um, the 534 00:26:03,369 --> 00:26:06,210 S1: pit experience in and of itself is frightening. You get 535 00:26:06,210 --> 00:26:08,169 S1: thrown down an empty well, a sister and there's no 536 00:26:08,170 --> 00:26:10,449 S1: water in there. I love what Chuck Swindoll says in 537 00:26:10,450 --> 00:26:12,650 S1: reference to this point. He said, when you find yourself 538 00:26:12,650 --> 00:26:14,890 S1: in a pit and surrounded on all sides, you have 539 00:26:14,890 --> 00:26:17,850 S1: no choice but to look up. And I've never forgotten that. 540 00:26:17,850 --> 00:26:20,250 S1: I thought, what a great perspective. Again, so much of 541 00:26:20,250 --> 00:26:22,729 S1: Joseph's story is a question of perspective. But let me 542 00:26:22,730 --> 00:26:24,800 S1: fast forward to the fact that when his brothers finally 543 00:26:24,800 --> 00:26:27,359 S1: sell him to the Midianites, he gets sold to Potiphar, 544 00:26:27,560 --> 00:26:32,280 S1: who's this high official in Pharaoh's court. And Potiphar sees 545 00:26:32,280 --> 00:26:34,280 S1: that this man has some skills and he can take 546 00:26:34,280 --> 00:26:36,720 S1: advantage of it. And then along comes nothing new under 547 00:26:36,720 --> 00:26:39,159 S1: the sun. The writer of Ecclesiastes was spot on. This 548 00:26:39,160 --> 00:26:43,600 S1: cunning female that basically accuses Joseph of rape. And Joseph says, 549 00:26:43,640 --> 00:26:45,960 S1: of course I didn't do it. Potiphar has no choice. 550 00:26:45,960 --> 00:26:48,480 S1: And I want to linger here for a minute because Rachel, Ruth, 551 00:26:48,480 --> 00:26:49,760 S1: you write in the book. And I thought this was 552 00:26:49,760 --> 00:26:52,640 S1: spot on, that Potiphar probably knew the character of his wife, 553 00:26:52,640 --> 00:26:54,800 S1: but because of cultural pressure, he's going to have to 554 00:26:54,840 --> 00:26:57,200 S1: do something with Joseph, right? He can't turn to all 555 00:26:57,240 --> 00:26:59,520 S1: of the people that he's ruling over and saying she's 556 00:26:59,520 --> 00:27:02,600 S1: a liar. He can't do that. So he throws Joseph 557 00:27:02,600 --> 00:27:05,480 S1: into jail, into the dungeon, and you say, note the 558 00:27:05,480 --> 00:27:08,520 S1: word dungeon there. That's what the scriptures say. And he's 559 00:27:08,520 --> 00:27:11,240 S1: there for what, 14 years? I mean, that was stunning 560 00:27:11,240 --> 00:27:12,480 S1: to me. When I read that again. 561 00:27:13,680 --> 00:27:16,440 S7: It it was a long time. And you know, what 562 00:27:16,440 --> 00:27:19,560 S7: struck me is that while he's serving in Potiphar's house 563 00:27:19,560 --> 00:27:23,280 S7: and he's a slave and living in slave quarters in 564 00:27:23,320 --> 00:27:28,200 S7: making Potiphar thrive. You know, his whole family, his business, everything. Um, 565 00:27:28,560 --> 00:27:32,400 S7: and Joseph is working hard. And then. And then he 566 00:27:32,400 --> 00:27:35,600 S7: gets this temptation. You know, where Potiphar's wife, like you said, 567 00:27:35,800 --> 00:27:38,320 S7: you know, then accuses him of rape when he had 568 00:27:38,359 --> 00:27:41,160 S7: actually fled and done the right thing, following the Lord 569 00:27:41,160 --> 00:27:43,760 S7: in the right way. And yet he gets thrown into 570 00:27:43,760 --> 00:27:46,720 S7: prison like it's like he could have then said, God, 571 00:27:46,720 --> 00:27:48,960 S7: where are you? I'm doing the right thing. I was 572 00:27:48,960 --> 00:27:50,880 S7: serving you, and then I did the right thing. When 573 00:27:50,880 --> 00:27:52,959 S7: Potiphar's wife comes after me and this is what I 574 00:27:52,960 --> 00:27:56,159 S7: get for it. And. And instead of him turning against 575 00:27:56,160 --> 00:27:59,280 S7: God and saying, why me? Or why did you do this? 576 00:27:59,280 --> 00:28:02,200 S7: And where are you? Don't you even care about me? Instead, 577 00:28:02,200 --> 00:28:04,560 S7: he's like, all right. I mean, he just goes after it. 578 00:28:04,560 --> 00:28:07,080 S7: And and in prison, he does the same thing. And 579 00:28:07,080 --> 00:28:10,000 S7: it's a lower position than what he was before. And 580 00:28:10,480 --> 00:28:12,080 S7: he's just at the bottom. I don't think it gets 581 00:28:12,080 --> 00:28:15,560 S7: any lower than that. And yet he served God in 582 00:28:15,600 --> 00:28:18,920 S7: the worst of circumstances. And that should speak volumes to 583 00:28:18,960 --> 00:28:22,790 S7: all of us, no matter our circumstances, no matter our situation, 584 00:28:22,790 --> 00:28:25,350 S7: no matter what we think we where we should be or, 585 00:28:25,590 --> 00:28:27,830 S7: you know, all this stuff, we need to just serve 586 00:28:27,869 --> 00:28:30,030 S7: God where he has us because there's a reason he's 587 00:28:30,030 --> 00:28:33,070 S7: got us there. There's a purpose in it. And, um, 588 00:28:33,109 --> 00:28:35,429 S7: and he will, it'll eventually find out, you know, but 589 00:28:35,430 --> 00:28:37,190 S7: we've just got to stick to it, have that stick 590 00:28:37,230 --> 00:28:38,750 S7: to itiveness and not give up. 591 00:28:39,270 --> 00:28:41,310 S1: I lingered, please go ahead. 592 00:28:41,350 --> 00:28:44,190 S6: Um, just because Rachel was saying there's a reason for 593 00:28:44,190 --> 00:28:47,270 S6: it and we don't know the reason right away, but Joseph, 594 00:28:47,310 --> 00:28:49,350 S6: think of it in Potiphar's house. That's where he learned 595 00:28:49,350 --> 00:28:52,910 S6: the Egyptian language. He learned Egyptian customs. He learned how 596 00:28:52,910 --> 00:28:56,110 S6: to be an administrator over a large household in the 597 00:28:56,110 --> 00:28:58,750 S6: fields and the business that Potiphar had. And then when 598 00:28:58,750 --> 00:29:01,630 S6: he was thrown into prison, it was Pharaoh's prison. So 599 00:29:01,630 --> 00:29:05,190 S6: there would be political prisoners there. So as he interacted 600 00:29:05,190 --> 00:29:07,950 S6: with the political prisoners, he would have learned about Pharaoh's 601 00:29:07,950 --> 00:29:10,670 S6: court and the way the government worked. So, so I 602 00:29:10,670 --> 00:29:13,870 S6: think the lesson for us is not to waste those 603 00:29:13,870 --> 00:29:16,790 S6: times when we feel we don't see the purpose in it. 604 00:29:16,830 --> 00:29:20,740 S6: We're struggling, we're suffering. We've been betrayed. We have an injustice. 605 00:29:20,740 --> 00:29:23,780 S6: But don't waste that. Just keep your eyes on the Lord. 606 00:29:24,100 --> 00:29:27,740 S6: Serve him to the best he has you. And knowing 607 00:29:27,780 --> 00:29:29,860 S6: that he's going to use everything in your life. And 608 00:29:29,900 --> 00:29:33,300 S6: that's that's again, Romans 828 all things work together for 609 00:29:33,300 --> 00:29:37,660 S6: good and good is not your health, wealth, prosperity, good 610 00:29:37,660 --> 00:29:40,620 S6: is ultimately to be conformed to the image of Christ, 611 00:29:40,620 --> 00:29:43,620 S6: but but to fulfill God's purpose for your life. And 612 00:29:43,620 --> 00:29:48,380 S6: Joseph was not wasting that enslavement or that imprisonment. He 613 00:29:48,420 --> 00:29:52,020 S6: learned everything he could. So when then God brought him 614 00:29:52,020 --> 00:29:55,020 S6: out and he was brought out before Pharaoh that he 615 00:29:55,020 --> 00:29:58,180 S6: was ready. So he knew what he needed to know. 616 00:29:58,180 --> 00:30:01,820 S6: And he. He could plan to save Egypt. And, and 617 00:30:01,820 --> 00:30:04,660 S6: it was amazing. But if he had wasted those times 618 00:30:04,660 --> 00:30:08,260 S6: just complaining, bitter, curled up in a fetal position, saying, 619 00:30:08,260 --> 00:30:10,980 S6: why me? Why me? He never would have been ready 620 00:30:10,980 --> 00:30:13,260 S6: when the time came for God to call him out. 621 00:30:13,500 --> 00:30:16,860 S1: I love that. That's why going back through the book, 622 00:30:16,860 --> 00:30:18,820 S1: the word that just kept coming and coming to my 623 00:30:18,820 --> 00:30:21,220 S1: mind over and over again was the question of perspective. 624 00:30:21,260 --> 00:30:23,940 S1: It was your perspective. So I love what you said. 625 00:30:23,940 --> 00:30:26,780 S1: So everything is God's classroom. So he's learning when he's 626 00:30:26,780 --> 00:30:29,500 S1: serving Potiphar, but he's learning when he's also thrown in 627 00:30:29,540 --> 00:30:32,140 S1: the camp. And what what scripture does for me personally 628 00:30:32,140 --> 00:30:34,100 S1: is it's a mirror. When I'm reading stories like this, 629 00:30:34,100 --> 00:30:36,260 S1: I go, oh, how would I have responded? Would I 630 00:30:36,300 --> 00:30:39,500 S1: have had that same perspective? So he's in this dungeon 631 00:30:39,500 --> 00:30:42,260 S1: for and I don't know why the year hit me 632 00:30:42,260 --> 00:30:45,580 S1: so much, this time for 14 years. A to be 633 00:30:45,580 --> 00:30:48,540 S1: falsely accused. That would be the seed of bitterness. If 634 00:30:48,540 --> 00:30:50,420 S1: there ever was a seed where you would say, I 635 00:30:50,420 --> 00:30:53,260 S1: didn't do that, this is injustice. I should be out 636 00:30:53,300 --> 00:30:56,220 S1: of here. And instead he realizes that he's in God's 637 00:30:56,220 --> 00:30:59,660 S1: classroom again. And it is a tutorial and he never 638 00:30:59,660 --> 00:31:02,180 S1: gets bitter, which is amazing to me. So, Rachel, Ruth, 639 00:31:02,180 --> 00:31:04,820 S1: talk to me. There's just something about Joseph in these dreams, boy. 640 00:31:04,820 --> 00:31:07,220 S1: So he's telling the two dreams to his brother. Now 641 00:31:07,420 --> 00:31:09,500 S1: he's got a cupbearer and a baker that want to 642 00:31:09,500 --> 00:31:12,500 S1: talk to him about dreams. This is where do you 643 00:31:12,540 --> 00:31:14,580 S1: really want the truth? The whole truth, or you can't 644 00:31:14,580 --> 00:31:16,459 S1: handle the truth? This is going to be interesting. So 645 00:31:16,500 --> 00:31:17,610 S1: talk to me about this. 646 00:31:18,050 --> 00:31:21,690 S7: I know and and I think it's so sweet because 647 00:31:21,690 --> 00:31:24,970 S7: it shows Joseph's character again, because he's sitting there taking 648 00:31:24,970 --> 00:31:27,010 S7: care of all the prisoners. He's a prisoner himself. And 649 00:31:27,010 --> 00:31:29,410 S7: here comes the cupbearer in the baker. They're thrown into prison. 650 00:31:29,410 --> 00:31:33,130 S7: And one morning they're just upset. And Joseph comes in 651 00:31:33,130 --> 00:31:35,530 S7: instead of him saying, what are you upset about? You know, 652 00:31:35,570 --> 00:31:37,770 S7: I mean, I've been here longer than you. I shouldn't 653 00:31:37,770 --> 00:31:40,930 S7: be here. And he could have complained himself, but instead 654 00:31:40,930 --> 00:31:43,170 S7: he said, what's wrong? And so then they tell him, oh, 655 00:31:43,170 --> 00:31:46,890 S7: we had these dreams and and and so he says, well, 656 00:31:46,930 --> 00:31:49,530 S7: God can interpret those dreams. And he tells them what 657 00:31:49,530 --> 00:31:51,810 S7: it means. And it ends up the baker was going 658 00:31:51,850 --> 00:31:55,250 S7: to get killed, get killed by the pharaoh, but the 659 00:31:55,290 --> 00:31:58,850 S7: cupbearer was going to get his job back. And, um, 660 00:31:59,050 --> 00:32:02,170 S7: and so when he goes off, when the cupbearer sure enough, 661 00:32:02,170 --> 00:32:05,050 S7: gets his job back, the baker gets killed. Um, it 662 00:32:05,050 --> 00:32:07,490 S7: ends at chapter ends, and it says that the cupbearer 663 00:32:07,490 --> 00:32:10,090 S7: because Joseph says, don't forget me. And the cupbearer sure 664 00:32:10,090 --> 00:32:13,970 S7: enough forgets him. He didn't remember Joseph. And. And so 665 00:32:14,010 --> 00:32:16,810 S7: even when you think you have a glimpse of hope? 666 00:32:16,850 --> 00:32:19,770 S7: You know, even when something you do something good, like 667 00:32:19,770 --> 00:32:21,690 S7: helping somebody and you think, oh, maybe this will get 668 00:32:21,690 --> 00:32:24,250 S7: me out and it. And it doesn't just hold on 669 00:32:24,250 --> 00:32:28,890 S7: because God, God remembers, God doesn't forget. And he knows 670 00:32:28,890 --> 00:32:32,170 S7: how to take care of us. And his timing is perfect. And, um, 671 00:32:32,170 --> 00:32:36,450 S7: and I love that Joseph later when he then interprets, 672 00:32:36,490 --> 00:32:39,930 S7: that's what happens. I mean, he ends up interpreting Pharaoh's dream. 673 00:32:40,290 --> 00:32:42,650 S7: He doesn't go in and try and wheel and deal 674 00:32:42,650 --> 00:32:45,050 S7: and say, I haven't heard from God. I'm still stuck 675 00:32:45,050 --> 00:32:48,170 S7: in this prison. I'll tell you your dream if you 676 00:32:48,210 --> 00:32:49,969 S7: get me back to Canaan with a whole bunch of 677 00:32:49,970 --> 00:32:53,090 S7: treasure and. And instead all he does is he says 678 00:32:53,090 --> 00:32:56,090 S7: to Pharaoh, he was like, I can't interpret this dream, 679 00:32:56,090 --> 00:32:58,850 S7: but God can. And then God gives him the interpretation. 680 00:32:58,850 --> 00:33:03,610 S7: And that is why Pharaoh picked Joseph because, um, because 681 00:33:03,610 --> 00:33:05,810 S7: he said, this is a man that God speaks to, 682 00:33:05,850 --> 00:33:08,610 S7: you know, and raised him up to second in command. 683 00:33:08,610 --> 00:33:11,290 S7: And so it's such a beautiful picture when you submit 684 00:33:11,290 --> 00:33:14,960 S7: your life to the Lord and you serve him faithfully 685 00:33:14,960 --> 00:33:20,320 S7: and help people in. Um, and you're not self absorbed. 686 00:33:20,480 --> 00:33:23,400 S7: I mean, what God can do with one person is amazing. 687 00:33:23,440 --> 00:33:26,200 S1: Yeah. So much. And every verse is so rich in 688 00:33:26,200 --> 00:33:28,920 S1: this particular story. So Anne, I was thinking to Rachel 689 00:33:28,920 --> 00:33:31,840 S1: Ruth's exact point where he says, I cannot do it, 690 00:33:31,840 --> 00:33:36,000 S1: but God will give Pharaoh the answer he desires. You know, 691 00:33:36,400 --> 00:33:38,640 S1: you gotta look at this from Pharaoh's perspective. He's in 692 00:33:38,640 --> 00:33:42,560 S1: a polytheistic pagan culture. Why would he even give credence 693 00:33:42,560 --> 00:33:44,880 S1: to the fact that Joseph said, God? He didn't say 694 00:33:44,880 --> 00:33:49,120 S1: a God, my God. He said, God declaratively desires. What 695 00:33:49,120 --> 00:33:51,440 S1: does that say about God turning over the soil of 696 00:33:51,440 --> 00:33:53,960 S1: this Pharaoh's heart to be receptive to what Joseph has 697 00:33:53,960 --> 00:33:54,440 S1: to say? 698 00:33:54,920 --> 00:33:58,200 S6: It's so interesting, isn't it? I think Pharaoh was desperate 699 00:33:58,200 --> 00:34:01,240 S6: because he knew his dreams meant something, but he didn't 700 00:34:01,240 --> 00:34:03,360 S6: know what they meant. None of his magicians and his 701 00:34:03,400 --> 00:34:06,640 S6: wise people could could interpret the dream. So I'm not 702 00:34:06,640 --> 00:34:09,200 S6: sure that Joseph had credibility at that point. But before 703 00:34:09,200 --> 00:34:11,920 S6: Joseph interpreted the dream, he said God would give him 704 00:34:11,920 --> 00:34:15,430 S6: the interpretation. So. So then when God gave him the 705 00:34:15,430 --> 00:34:19,790 S6: interpretation and. And Pharaoh knew it, knew it was right, 706 00:34:19,790 --> 00:34:21,790 S6: it was accurate. Then he knew that God had given 707 00:34:21,790 --> 00:34:23,310 S6: it to Joseph. Do you see what I mean? So 708 00:34:23,310 --> 00:34:27,310 S6: Joseph had given God the credit, the glory, before he 709 00:34:27,310 --> 00:34:31,030 S6: got the interpretation. And then it was afterwards. Then Pharaoh 710 00:34:31,030 --> 00:34:34,590 S6: recognized that God had given it to Joseph. So it's Joseph's. 711 00:34:34,750 --> 00:34:37,469 S6: If Joseph had bragged and said, yes, I've done some 712 00:34:37,469 --> 00:34:39,549 S6: dreams before and I'll see what I can do with you. He, 713 00:34:39,630 --> 00:34:41,549 S6: he he didn't do that. He just said he could 714 00:34:41,550 --> 00:34:44,989 S6: not interpret dreams, but God could. And, um, and so 715 00:34:44,989 --> 00:34:47,509 S6: when the Bible says, when you honor the Lord, the 716 00:34:47,510 --> 00:34:50,790 S6: Lord honors you, you know. And so God honored Joseph 717 00:34:50,790 --> 00:34:53,390 S6: with the interpretation of that, because Joseph had honored God 718 00:34:53,390 --> 00:34:56,030 S6: even before he he received the interpretation. 719 00:34:56,190 --> 00:34:59,990 S1: Wow. And Rachel, Ruth, what does it say about Joseph's character? Again, 720 00:35:00,030 --> 00:35:03,229 S1: the fact that dreams just keep working their way through 721 00:35:03,230 --> 00:35:04,430 S1: Joseph's story here. 722 00:35:05,790 --> 00:35:09,430 S7: Well, and it's interesting because the first two dreams, you know, 723 00:35:09,469 --> 00:35:13,710 S7: they came twice in two different dreams. And then and 724 00:35:13,710 --> 00:35:16,270 S7: then dreams come again, you know? And I think what 725 00:35:16,310 --> 00:35:19,710 S7: God was showing, I think one lesson is that sometimes 726 00:35:19,710 --> 00:35:22,509 S7: God speaks to us twice, and you can hear a 727 00:35:22,510 --> 00:35:25,950 S7: verse spoken to you, like in your devotions, and then 728 00:35:25,950 --> 00:35:27,750 S7: all of a sudden your pastor says the same verse 729 00:35:27,750 --> 00:35:29,910 S7: in the same week. And, and God's trying to get 730 00:35:29,910 --> 00:35:32,589 S7: your attention that he's trying to speak to you about something. 731 00:35:32,910 --> 00:35:35,390 S7: And so that was one lesson I got out of that. 732 00:35:35,390 --> 00:35:38,710 S7: But I think also, like we've talked about, they didn't 733 00:35:38,710 --> 00:35:40,910 S7: have Scripture back then. They didn't have a Bible. They 734 00:35:40,910 --> 00:35:44,630 S7: didn't have the Old Testament. And so God used dreams. 735 00:35:44,830 --> 00:35:49,390 S7: And I think as, um, as God, you know, showed that, um, 736 00:35:49,590 --> 00:35:52,350 S7: Joseph had the gift to interpret those dreams because God 737 00:35:52,350 --> 00:35:55,989 S7: gave it to him. And so, um, and I think 738 00:35:56,030 --> 00:35:58,029 S7: I'm so thankful we have God's word that we can 739 00:35:58,030 --> 00:36:00,790 S7: turn to and read and study. But that's the way 740 00:36:00,790 --> 00:36:02,270 S7: that Joseph heard from God. 741 00:36:02,310 --> 00:36:05,230 S1: Yeah. I underlined in the book that part about repetition 742 00:36:05,430 --> 00:36:07,790 S1: that has happened so often to me. And then you think, 743 00:36:08,030 --> 00:36:10,860 S1: coincidence again, he's not a god of coincidence by the way. 744 00:36:11,100 --> 00:36:14,140 S1: He talks to us. He speaks to us through his word, 745 00:36:14,140 --> 00:36:16,819 S1: through His Spirit. And so very often I'll say, oh, 746 00:36:16,860 --> 00:36:18,739 S1: it's the second time today I've read that verse, and 747 00:36:18,739 --> 00:36:21,620 S1: I'm glad that you underscored that because I thought, okay, 748 00:36:21,820 --> 00:36:24,060 S1: next time I hear it, give significance to the fact 749 00:36:24,060 --> 00:36:25,739 S1: that you're seeing it again, what is the Lord trying 750 00:36:25,739 --> 00:36:27,859 S1: to tell you? There's so much to the story, and 751 00:36:27,860 --> 00:36:29,739 S1: I've only got one segment left, but this will give 752 00:36:29,739 --> 00:36:31,540 S1: you a hint. If you don't know the story of Joseph, 753 00:36:31,540 --> 00:36:33,460 S1: this is a great book to start you in the 754 00:36:33,460 --> 00:36:35,339 S1: study of who he is. Even if you've read the 755 00:36:35,340 --> 00:36:38,380 S1: story a hundred times, I guarantee you, because it's God's Word, 756 00:36:38,380 --> 00:36:40,580 S1: you're going to plumb this and come back with a 757 00:36:40,580 --> 00:36:43,820 S1: wealth of new insight and perspective on our great God. 758 00:36:43,820 --> 00:37:03,500 S1: Back after this. What a pleasure it is to spend 759 00:37:03,500 --> 00:37:06,300 S1: time with Anne Graham Lotz and Rachel Ruth Wright. Mother 760 00:37:06,300 --> 00:37:09,420 S1: and daughter team both worked together at Angel ministries and 761 00:37:09,460 --> 00:37:12,299 S1: of course, the president, Rachel Ruth, the vice president, and 762 00:37:12,300 --> 00:37:14,940 S1: they are now writing another book together. This one's called 763 00:37:14,940 --> 00:37:17,940 S1: God Won't Leave You There. It is the story of Joseph. 764 00:37:17,940 --> 00:37:20,660 S1: And boy, you read his story and you understand that 765 00:37:20,660 --> 00:37:24,419 S1: God never left Joseph. But at every spot and every 766 00:37:24,420 --> 00:37:27,939 S1: step of his pilgrim's progress, God was teaching him, conforming him, 767 00:37:27,940 --> 00:37:31,540 S1: transforming him, renewing him, preparing him, getting ready for the 768 00:37:31,540 --> 00:37:34,380 S1: next step. And boy, this next step, this part of 769 00:37:34,380 --> 00:37:36,380 S1: the story makes me cry every time I read it. 770 00:37:36,380 --> 00:37:37,620 S1: And I want to go to one of the core 771 00:37:37,660 --> 00:37:40,979 S1: issues of this chapter of his life. So Pharaoh says, 772 00:37:40,980 --> 00:37:42,980 S1: you're going to be in charge of the whole land. 773 00:37:42,980 --> 00:37:44,940 S1: And then Scripture even takes the time to tell us 774 00:37:44,940 --> 00:37:47,460 S1: that he puts a signet ring, which if even if 775 00:37:47,500 --> 00:37:50,060 S1: study British history, that was the hallmark of someone who 776 00:37:50,060 --> 00:37:53,540 S1: was at the top of the command, he puts a 777 00:37:53,540 --> 00:37:56,140 S1: robe on him, he dresses him in fine linen. He 778 00:37:56,140 --> 00:37:58,100 S1: puts a gold chain around his neck. He rides in 779 00:37:58,100 --> 00:37:59,900 S1: a chariot. He's deemed to be the second in command. 780 00:37:59,940 --> 00:38:03,140 S1: I mean, there's zero ambiguity that now Joseph has this 781 00:38:03,140 --> 00:38:07,020 S1: vaulted position. Fast forward, the famine comes through the dream, 782 00:38:07,020 --> 00:38:10,290 S1: and his brothers are still back there with Jacob, and 783 00:38:10,290 --> 00:38:12,610 S1: they're desperate to eat. And so they have this trip 784 00:38:12,610 --> 00:38:15,290 S1: down to find out if Egypt can provide them with 785 00:38:15,290 --> 00:38:18,810 S1: some food, with nutrition. The brothers come minus Benjamin. And 786 00:38:18,810 --> 00:38:20,410 S1: I just want to linger in this part of the 787 00:38:20,410 --> 00:38:22,730 S1: story because every time I read it and I don't 788 00:38:22,730 --> 00:38:25,290 S1: know how many times I've read the story, I always 789 00:38:25,290 --> 00:38:28,410 S1: get teary eyed and I'm going to get emotional when 790 00:38:28,410 --> 00:38:31,890 S1: I talk about this. How Joseph reacts. I love the 791 00:38:31,890 --> 00:38:34,609 S1: fact that he cries. Thank you God for putting that 792 00:38:34,610 --> 00:38:38,089 S1: in the story. He cries when he sees Benjamin. He 793 00:38:38,090 --> 00:38:40,290 S1: cries when he sees his brothers. He cries when he 794 00:38:40,290 --> 00:38:43,290 S1: sees Jacob. That tells me so much about the heart 795 00:38:43,290 --> 00:38:44,890 S1: of Joseph. Talk to me about that. 796 00:38:46,290 --> 00:38:49,529 S6: I think I wept when we got to that part too, 797 00:38:49,570 --> 00:38:52,370 S6: so I'm going to let Ruth describe it. Joseph. He 798 00:38:52,370 --> 00:38:55,089 S6: met with his brothers. They didn't recognize him because he 799 00:38:55,090 --> 00:38:57,730 S6: looked like an Egyptian. He recognized them. And then he 800 00:38:57,730 --> 00:39:00,810 S6: takes them to a series of events to bring to 801 00:39:00,850 --> 00:39:03,890 S6: their conscious mind the guilt of what they had done 802 00:39:03,890 --> 00:39:07,009 S6: to him, so that they would be willing to repent 803 00:39:07,010 --> 00:39:09,610 S6: and confess it. And so they could reconcile because Joseph 804 00:39:09,610 --> 00:39:13,049 S6: had forgiven them. But reconciliation takes two people. So Rachel 805 00:39:13,170 --> 00:39:15,930 S6: explained that because you did such a beautiful job and 806 00:39:15,930 --> 00:39:18,850 S6: it's so moving, when he finally reveals himself to his brothers. 807 00:39:18,890 --> 00:39:22,569 S7: Yes it is. It's just you just can't even believe it. 808 00:39:22,570 --> 00:39:25,930 S7: Because the second he saw his brothers walk in the room, 809 00:39:26,170 --> 00:39:29,290 S7: he could have immediately had them seized, thrown into prison, 810 00:39:29,330 --> 00:39:31,890 S7: had them killed and been done with it, you know? 811 00:39:31,930 --> 00:39:33,690 S7: And I think all of us would be like, well, yeah, 812 00:39:33,730 --> 00:39:35,210 S7: you know, they had it coming to them. But at 813 00:39:35,210 --> 00:39:40,969 S7: the same time, it's unbelievable. His restraint. And I love 814 00:39:40,969 --> 00:39:44,170 S7: the fact that he cried too, because no doubt he's 815 00:39:44,170 --> 00:39:47,770 S7: a man's man. I mean, he he suffered, he was strong. 816 00:39:47,770 --> 00:39:52,890 S7: He was confident, wise, but he had emotion and and 817 00:39:52,930 --> 00:39:54,850 S7: that it hurt him. It wasn't something that he could 818 00:39:54,850 --> 00:39:58,089 S7: just flick off. It was a deep wound. What had 819 00:39:58,090 --> 00:40:00,609 S7: happened to him. But he didn't let it affect the 820 00:40:00,610 --> 00:40:03,930 S7: way that he lived his life. And he still. He 821 00:40:03,930 --> 00:40:07,040 S7: wanted to bring about a reconciliation. He didn't want to 822 00:40:07,280 --> 00:40:10,359 S7: to let them have it. And like, what is human 823 00:40:10,360 --> 00:40:11,880 S7: nature to do? You know, we all want it. We 824 00:40:11,880 --> 00:40:14,240 S7: would want to do that. But vengeance is mine, saith 825 00:40:14,239 --> 00:40:15,560 S7: the Lord. You know, we give it to the Lord. 826 00:40:15,560 --> 00:40:20,280 S7: But but Joseph instead brings them to a point of reconciliation. 827 00:40:20,280 --> 00:40:24,640 S7: And then he reveals himself to his brothers and just weeps. 828 00:40:24,640 --> 00:40:27,120 S7: And the whole scene that I picture in my mind 829 00:40:27,120 --> 00:40:29,440 S7: when he sends the servants out and they're standing out 830 00:40:29,440 --> 00:40:31,200 S7: in the hall, you know, just wondering what's going on. 831 00:40:31,200 --> 00:40:34,560 S7: And they hear it says that they all heard him wailing, 832 00:40:34,840 --> 00:40:36,480 S7: and you just wonder if they wanted to come back 833 00:40:36,480 --> 00:40:38,680 S7: in the room and somebody stop him from coming back 834 00:40:38,680 --> 00:40:40,560 S7: in the room. You know, let's just wait. Wait. And 835 00:40:40,760 --> 00:40:43,839 S7: and there is Joseph with his brothers, just bawling as 836 00:40:43,840 --> 00:40:45,719 S7: he reveals himself. And maybe he had to take off 837 00:40:45,719 --> 00:40:48,640 S7: his Egyptian makeup that he would have had on his 838 00:40:48,640 --> 00:40:50,560 S7: face and his big hat and all this stuff. And 839 00:40:50,560 --> 00:40:55,000 S7: it's I'm Joseph, I'm Joseph. And, and the shock of, 840 00:40:55,000 --> 00:40:58,440 S7: of knowing that there is their brother that they had betrayed. 841 00:40:58,840 --> 00:41:02,040 S7: And in knowing that they, that Joseph hadn't thrown them 842 00:41:02,040 --> 00:41:05,989 S7: in prison, hadn't killed them. It's just the most beautiful 843 00:41:05,989 --> 00:41:09,989 S7: picture of forgiveness and. And Joseph, it wasn't just a 844 00:41:09,989 --> 00:41:11,910 S7: one time thing, like for a big show. Oh, I 845 00:41:11,910 --> 00:41:14,030 S7: forgave you. And now I'm going to let you have it. 846 00:41:14,070 --> 00:41:17,469 S7: He continued to live in that forgiveness and that love 847 00:41:17,630 --> 00:41:20,950 S7: for his brothers. Even when Jacob died, their father dies 848 00:41:21,510 --> 00:41:24,150 S7: and they devise a plan to say, O Jacob told 849 00:41:24,150 --> 00:41:27,830 S7: us to tell you to to treat us well and, and, 850 00:41:28,150 --> 00:41:30,390 S7: and Joseph still said, of course I will. You know, 851 00:41:30,430 --> 00:41:33,149 S7: this was all God's plan in the first place. You know, 852 00:41:33,190 --> 00:41:35,510 S7: it was to raise me up so that I can 853 00:41:35,550 --> 00:41:37,950 S7: I can save. Um, God could use him to save 854 00:41:37,950 --> 00:41:42,230 S7: all the people. And so just a beautiful, um, jaw 855 00:41:42,230 --> 00:41:45,589 S7: dropping forgiveness and and it's a lesson for all of 856 00:41:45,590 --> 00:41:49,109 S7: us to let it go. Give it to God and forgive. 857 00:41:49,390 --> 00:41:52,630 S7: And look what God can do in restoration of your family, 858 00:41:52,630 --> 00:41:55,469 S7: your loved ones, your friendships. Um, if we do it 859 00:41:55,469 --> 00:41:56,110 S7: God's way. 860 00:41:56,350 --> 00:41:56,710 S1: Amen. 861 00:41:56,830 --> 00:41:58,989 S6: You know, Janet, if I can say, I think that's 862 00:41:58,989 --> 00:42:01,390 S6: another place where I see Jesus in the shadows because. 863 00:42:01,390 --> 00:42:02,509 S1: I'm just going to ask you, that. 864 00:42:02,510 --> 00:42:05,150 S6: Forgives us. You know, he think of all the things 865 00:42:05,150 --> 00:42:07,630 S6: we've done and so many things we're not even conscious 866 00:42:07,630 --> 00:42:10,069 S6: that we've done, but all of our sin. And he 867 00:42:10,070 --> 00:42:12,109 S6: took all of the sin of all the world on 868 00:42:12,110 --> 00:42:15,670 S6: himself and forgave us. And so, you know, if you 869 00:42:15,710 --> 00:42:18,109 S6: confess your sin, it says he is faithful and just 870 00:42:18,110 --> 00:42:21,149 S6: to forgive us all of our sin. And so you 871 00:42:21,150 --> 00:42:24,149 S6: see that in Joseph and and it's just the most 872 00:42:24,150 --> 00:42:28,950 S6: amazing picture of Jesus who also offers us forgiveness when 873 00:42:28,950 --> 00:42:31,509 S6: we come to him and confess what we've done. And 874 00:42:31,510 --> 00:42:34,750 S6: Joseph's brothers finally did that. They acknowledged it, and then 875 00:42:34,750 --> 00:42:37,790 S6: they had their reconciliation. But Joseph. And then when he 876 00:42:37,790 --> 00:42:41,029 S6: met his father, Rachel, that's another incredible scene because it 877 00:42:41,030 --> 00:42:44,270 S6: says he wept for a long time when he saw Joseph, 878 00:42:44,310 --> 00:42:47,830 S6: saw Jacob, and and Jacob and Joseph saw each other 879 00:42:47,830 --> 00:42:49,710 S6: for the first time. And that would be almost 30 880 00:42:49,710 --> 00:42:52,190 S6: years at that point. And and he just clung to 881 00:42:52,230 --> 00:42:54,509 S6: his father and just wept and wept and wept and 882 00:42:54,510 --> 00:42:58,229 S6: said for a long time. And, um, but then God 883 00:42:58,230 --> 00:43:00,790 S6: gave them, I think maybe 16 years. Was it Rachel 884 00:43:00,790 --> 00:43:03,940 S6: at the end where he. We had Jacob down in Goshen, 885 00:43:03,940 --> 00:43:06,940 S6: and he could visit. Visit him with his children. So it's. 886 00:43:06,980 --> 00:43:08,700 S6: God brought him through. And I think that's the point 887 00:43:08,700 --> 00:43:11,420 S6: of this book. You asked what we hope the takeaway was. 888 00:43:11,460 --> 00:43:14,900 S6: And and it's a book of hope because regardless of 889 00:43:14,900 --> 00:43:17,660 S6: what you're going through now, God is with you. He 890 00:43:17,660 --> 00:43:20,300 S6: will guide you through it and he will bring you through. 891 00:43:20,300 --> 00:43:23,259 S6: And even if your struggle lasts an entire lifetime, when 892 00:43:23,260 --> 00:43:25,700 S6: you step into eternity. If you're a child of God, 893 00:43:25,700 --> 00:43:28,060 S6: he will bring you through to heaven. You know where 894 00:43:28,060 --> 00:43:30,540 S6: there's glory. There's no more suffering or pain or death 895 00:43:30,540 --> 00:43:34,020 S6: or crying or, um, you know, all be over. So, 896 00:43:34,540 --> 00:43:39,100 S6: so it's an incredible story of hope that regardless, so 897 00:43:39,100 --> 00:43:43,620 S6: many people today are struggling. They're, they're suffering and financially 898 00:43:43,660 --> 00:43:47,860 S6: in their marriage and their relationships, in their health. But 899 00:43:47,900 --> 00:43:50,700 S6: and God will be with you in, in that and 900 00:43:50,700 --> 00:43:54,060 S6: he will guide you and make everything come together for 901 00:43:54,060 --> 00:43:56,299 S6: your good and his purpose. And then one day he 902 00:43:56,300 --> 00:43:57,340 S6: will bring you through. 903 00:43:58,060 --> 00:44:01,980 S1: Wow. Rachel. Ruth, and it is a fabulous study on 904 00:44:01,980 --> 00:44:04,660 S1: the book of Joseph. Such richness there. And the part 905 00:44:04,660 --> 00:44:06,940 S1: at the end when you talk about legacy, and Jacob 906 00:44:06,940 --> 00:44:09,819 S1: is speaking to every single one of the sons, and 907 00:44:09,820 --> 00:44:12,100 S1: then even when he switches his hands on the head 908 00:44:12,100 --> 00:44:16,260 S1: of Joseph's children, that whole commentary about leaving a legacy. 909 00:44:16,300 --> 00:44:19,180 S1: And there's so much here. We just skated over the top. 910 00:44:19,180 --> 00:44:20,899 S1: I want my friends to get the book. I hope 911 00:44:20,900 --> 00:44:23,540 S1: I've just gotten you interested enough to say, oh, oh, 912 00:44:23,700 --> 00:44:25,460 S1: if that was so good, I want to hear what 913 00:44:25,460 --> 00:44:27,419 S1: the rest of the book is all about. Good. I've 914 00:44:27,420 --> 00:44:28,940 S1: got it linked to my website for you to pick 915 00:44:28,940 --> 00:44:31,140 S1: it up. God won't leave you there. It's called out 916 00:44:31,180 --> 00:44:34,300 S1: of the Pit and Into God's Promise. It's a wonderful 917 00:44:34,340 --> 00:44:36,980 S1: book by Anne Graham Lotz and Rachel Ruth Lotz, right. 918 00:44:36,980 --> 00:44:39,580 S1: Who love the word, love the Lord and love to 919 00:44:39,620 --> 00:44:41,739 S1: teach people. And aren't we blessed for having spent the 920 00:44:41,739 --> 00:44:43,900 S1: hour with him? Thank you, dear friends, both of you, 921 00:44:43,900 --> 00:44:46,180 S1: I appreciate it. May the Lord use this book to 922 00:44:46,219 --> 00:44:48,860 S1: his honor and glory to equip his saints. Thank you 923 00:44:48,860 --> 00:44:50,580 S1: and thank you friends. We'll see you next time on 924 00:44:50,580 --> 00:44:52,299 S1: In the Market with Janet Parshall.