1 00:00:05,760 --> 00:00:08,320 S1: They're back. Those boys of the Bible, the man of 2 00:00:08,320 --> 00:00:10,959 S1: the moody commentary. They put the lamb in calamity, the 3 00:00:10,960 --> 00:00:13,720 S1: myrrh and summer. I'm talking about the two Michaels who 4 00:00:13,720 --> 00:00:17,239 S1: are here today to tackle conundrums of biblical proportions. They 5 00:00:17,239 --> 00:00:20,280 S1: put the drum and conundrum do not wait, do not pass. 6 00:00:20,280 --> 00:00:27,240 S1: Go and collect $200. Call now with your question at (877) 548-3675. 7 00:00:27,440 --> 00:00:30,160 S1: That is your portal into the promised Land of answers. 8 00:00:30,160 --> 00:00:32,640 S1: On this Thursday edition of Chris Fabry Live. The program 9 00:00:32,640 --> 00:00:34,960 S1: from the heart to the heart for the heart. As 10 00:00:34,960 --> 00:00:37,919 S1: I often say, this is not Bible trivia or Stump 11 00:00:37,920 --> 00:00:41,200 S1: the Michaels. This is you or your small group reading 12 00:00:41,200 --> 00:00:44,400 S1: a passage, trying to figure out how what you just 13 00:00:44,400 --> 00:00:47,320 S1: read fits in with the rest of Scripture, or you've 14 00:00:47,320 --> 00:00:50,279 S1: had a disagreement with someone and you're vexed because you 15 00:00:50,320 --> 00:00:53,560 S1: thought you knew the answer, but now you're wondering who's right. 16 00:00:53,560 --> 00:00:59,360 S1: Here's the number (877) 548-3675. Helping out behind the scenes. Tricia 17 00:00:59,490 --> 00:01:03,410 S1: McMillan said. Producer Ryan McConaughey doing all things technical. Lisa's 18 00:01:03,410 --> 00:01:06,490 S1: helping out. Josh will be answering your calls. Now here 19 00:01:06,490 --> 00:01:09,330 S1: they are, those Bible believing twin sons of different testaments. 20 00:01:09,330 --> 00:01:11,170 S1: They put the Sai and disciple and the new and 21 00:01:11,170 --> 00:01:15,649 S1: hermeneutic new, the new and hermeneutics. I'm talking about open lines. 22 00:01:15,650 --> 00:01:18,930 S1: Doctor Michael Rudnick and retired professor of Bible at Moody 23 00:01:18,930 --> 00:01:21,850 S1: Bible Institute, Doctor Michael Van Landingham. Ladies and gentlemen, the 24 00:01:21,850 --> 00:01:23,970 S1: two Michaels in the house. 25 00:01:25,690 --> 00:01:28,730 S2: We have an old hermeneutic, not a new one. 26 00:01:30,650 --> 00:01:33,250 S1: I like that. Okay, before we jump into the questions, 27 00:01:33,450 --> 00:01:35,810 S1: let me mention the best gift we have ever offered 28 00:01:35,810 --> 00:01:38,050 S1: listeners to this program. It's a book about the history 29 00:01:38,050 --> 00:01:41,450 S1: of Moody Radio, complete with pictures of yours truly and 30 00:01:41,450 --> 00:01:44,009 S1: Doctor Rudnick. Doctor Van Landingham is going to be featured 31 00:01:44,010 --> 00:01:46,650 S1: in the second edition. We're going to try to do that. 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Go to Chris Fabry live.org and you 54 00:03:00,870 --> 00:03:04,709 S1: can secure your copy. Doctor Rudnick, you have seen this book. 55 00:03:04,750 --> 00:03:07,630 S1: You've seen the picture in there. I've seen yourself. 56 00:03:07,790 --> 00:03:09,190 S2: Yeah, I'm even in it. 57 00:03:09,230 --> 00:03:13,029 S1: That's the picture they chose of you is you scruffy? 58 00:03:13,070 --> 00:03:14,310 S1: It's kind of scruffy. 59 00:03:14,310 --> 00:03:17,550 S2: Ritalinic is it really? I don't remember, yeah, yeah. 60 00:03:17,590 --> 00:03:19,750 S1: You've got just a little, you know, a little bit 61 00:03:19,750 --> 00:03:22,430 S1: of a beard and you're smiling. You always smile and 62 00:03:22,430 --> 00:03:25,310 S1: your eyes are crinkling. And, you know, it's just a 63 00:03:25,630 --> 00:03:27,310 S1: very engaging photo of you. 64 00:03:27,510 --> 00:03:29,950 S2: Well, I don't know if scruffy is a good idea. 65 00:03:29,950 --> 00:03:31,389 S2: A good look for me, but. Okay. 66 00:03:32,310 --> 00:03:34,870 S1: I think it is so. And you agree with me. 67 00:03:34,870 --> 00:03:37,150 S1: This is a great gift to our listeners, right? 68 00:03:37,150 --> 00:03:40,110 S2: Yeah. It's wonderful. You know, I, I've, I've kind of 69 00:03:40,150 --> 00:03:42,230 S2: worked my way through it. And it's amazing when you 70 00:03:42,230 --> 00:03:46,790 S2: see the, the people. I just love looking at the 71 00:03:46,790 --> 00:03:49,630 S2: people that I've heard of. I've been actually affiliated with 72 00:03:49,710 --> 00:03:52,790 S2: Moody for so long, you know, because D.L. and I 73 00:03:52,830 --> 00:03:56,360 S2: were we were good buddies and that. But, you know, 74 00:03:56,400 --> 00:03:58,600 S2: when I was a student and I used to listen 75 00:03:58,600 --> 00:04:01,560 S2: to the on air hosts, and even when I first 76 00:04:01,560 --> 00:04:04,800 S2: came to teach at Moody over 30 years ago, I 77 00:04:04,840 --> 00:04:07,720 S2: would stay sometimes late in the evening because of a 78 00:04:07,720 --> 00:04:10,000 S2: late class I had. And I always would listen to 79 00:04:10,040 --> 00:04:12,960 S2: Don Cole on Open Line on my way home, or 80 00:04:13,120 --> 00:04:17,480 S2: sometimes to a guy named, uh, well, sometimes I there 81 00:04:17,480 --> 00:04:20,040 S2: was a guy named Fabbri that was on, uh, open 82 00:04:20,040 --> 00:04:22,799 S2: line sometimes. Yeah. But that was a long time ago. 83 00:04:22,839 --> 00:04:25,880 S2: That was prior. But anyway, that's, uh. Yeah, it's kind 84 00:04:25,880 --> 00:04:28,880 S2: of fun to see the faces and remember them, so. 85 00:04:28,920 --> 00:04:32,200 S1: And it'll show you scruffy redneck right there. So I 86 00:04:32,200 --> 00:04:35,320 S1: go to Chris fabriclive.org. Okay, so I'm going to give 87 00:04:35,320 --> 00:04:38,760 S1: you a question now that is both New Testament and 88 00:04:38,760 --> 00:04:41,520 S1: Old Testament. So you both can answer this. I was 89 00:04:41,520 --> 00:04:47,240 S1: reading in Matthew 27, today is the crucifixion. And from 90 00:04:47,240 --> 00:04:49,800 S1: noon to three in the afternoon, darkness came over the 91 00:04:49,800 --> 00:04:54,200 S1: whole land. About three in the afternoon, Jesus cries out 92 00:04:54,240 --> 00:04:57,480 S1: from Psalm 22. My God, my God, why have you 93 00:04:57,480 --> 00:05:02,080 S1: forsaken me? When some of those standing heard this standing 94 00:05:02,080 --> 00:05:06,200 S1: there heard this, they said, he's calling for Elijah. Immediately 95 00:05:06,200 --> 00:05:07,880 S1: one of them ran to get a sponge filled with 96 00:05:07,880 --> 00:05:10,480 S1: sour wine, fixed it on a reed, offered him a drink, 97 00:05:10,480 --> 00:05:14,240 S1: but the rest said, let's see if Elijah comes to 98 00:05:14,279 --> 00:05:18,280 S1: save him. So my question is, why did they think 99 00:05:18,279 --> 00:05:23,240 S1: when he quoted Psalm 22 that he was calling for Elijah? 100 00:05:23,680 --> 00:05:26,720 S1: Who wants to go first? Michael, you go first. 101 00:05:27,040 --> 00:05:30,480 S2: Okay. Which either one of us could with that. Okay, 102 00:05:30,520 --> 00:05:33,640 S2: here's here's what it is. The the Hebrew or the 103 00:05:33,640 --> 00:05:40,599 S2: Aramaic is for my God. My God is Eli. Eli. Right. 104 00:05:41,160 --> 00:05:48,320 S2: And the Hebrew for Elijah is Eliyahu. And so Eli 105 00:05:48,320 --> 00:05:54,050 S2: is short for Elijah. And so since he was speaking Aramaic. 106 00:05:54,930 --> 00:06:00,650 S2: And he said, Eli, Eli lama sabachthani. They heard Eli. Eli. 107 00:06:00,690 --> 00:06:03,089 S2: Think about it. He was off in a distance, probably 108 00:06:03,089 --> 00:06:06,730 S2: not real strong. He wasn't sound. He wasn't on a microphone. 109 00:06:06,970 --> 00:06:09,490 S2: They heard the Eli Lilly and they just thought he's 110 00:06:09,490 --> 00:06:10,530 S2: calling for Elijah. 111 00:06:11,890 --> 00:06:13,570 S1: Doctor van Landingham, you agree with that? 112 00:06:14,050 --> 00:06:15,210 S3: Yep. That's the answer. 113 00:06:17,210 --> 00:06:19,849 S1: Had you both. But you both. You both have thought 114 00:06:19,850 --> 00:06:22,250 S1: of that before. For me, it's the first time I've 115 00:06:22,250 --> 00:06:24,930 S1: ever thought. Well, wait a minute. Why? Why does that 116 00:06:24,930 --> 00:06:26,409 S1: makes it a lot of sense. Yeah. 117 00:06:27,290 --> 00:06:27,690 S3: Yeah. 118 00:06:27,730 --> 00:06:28,450 S1: Yeah. 119 00:06:28,490 --> 00:06:34,410 S2: It's, uh. And Ellie is. Or Ellie or Ellie. Eliyahu 120 00:06:34,410 --> 00:06:37,170 S2: is how you say Elijah. We have, uh, there's a 121 00:06:37,170 --> 00:06:42,010 S2: moody grad. Uh, you remember Rachel Goldstein, don't you, Mike? Uh, 122 00:06:42,650 --> 00:06:45,570 S2: when she went to Israel and she lives there and 123 00:06:45,570 --> 00:06:49,810 S2: she serves with Chosen People ministries, and she married and 124 00:06:49,810 --> 00:06:52,020 S2: they had their first son, and they announced the birth 125 00:06:52,020 --> 00:06:55,060 S2: of their first son. And they said, his name is 126 00:06:55,140 --> 00:07:00,260 S2: Ellie ELI, which we would all Americans would say, that 127 00:07:00,260 --> 00:07:05,580 S2: sounds like Eli, right? And their birth announcement said his 128 00:07:05,580 --> 00:07:09,660 S2: name is Ellie, which rhymes with jelly. So I thought 129 00:07:09,660 --> 00:07:10,100 S2: that was. 130 00:07:11,420 --> 00:07:11,860 S1: I like. 131 00:07:11,860 --> 00:07:12,100 S2: It. 132 00:07:13,020 --> 00:07:16,980 S1: Okay, so I've got a question from our pal Wayne 133 00:07:17,260 --> 00:07:20,780 S1: who wants to know about AI and the local church. 134 00:07:20,780 --> 00:07:23,460 S1: I have some other questions that are coming in from Facebook, 135 00:07:23,820 --> 00:07:28,340 S1: and I want to hear from you right now at (877) 548-3675. 136 00:07:28,380 --> 00:07:30,620 S1: We should not be allowed to have this much fun 137 00:07:30,780 --> 00:07:33,980 S1: together with the Bible. We're going to, but we can't 138 00:07:33,980 --> 00:07:36,300 S1: have as much fun if you don't call us. Have 139 00:07:36,300 --> 00:07:40,100 S1: a question? Have a comment. Christian life question. Bible verse. 140 00:07:40,100 --> 00:07:48,260 S1: Question (877) 548-3675 more with the Michael straight ahead on Moody Radio. 141 00:07:58,030 --> 00:08:00,430 S1: I can't believe we get to have the two Michaels 142 00:08:00,430 --> 00:08:04,230 S1: here in July on a summer edition of Chris Fabry Live. 143 00:08:04,750 --> 00:08:06,310 S1: And if you want to ask a question, make a 144 00:08:06,310 --> 00:08:15,790 S1: comment 87754836758775483675. Phone lines are open right now. You'll get through. 145 00:08:15,830 --> 00:08:18,950 S1: You'll get right through. Let's see what happens. Here's our 146 00:08:18,950 --> 00:08:22,710 S1: pal in Wisconsin. Wayne says, I would like to hear 147 00:08:22,710 --> 00:08:25,950 S1: what the two Michaels have to say about AI and 148 00:08:25,950 --> 00:08:28,350 S1: the local church. I know this is becoming more and 149 00:08:28,350 --> 00:08:32,870 S1: more prevalent. My opinion is we are dumbing down our world, basically, 150 00:08:32,870 --> 00:08:35,590 S1: he says. We're not using our brains anymore. We're relying 151 00:08:35,590 --> 00:08:40,510 S1: on Google. So he asks, Will AI make it so 152 00:08:40,550 --> 00:08:45,870 S1: pastors are not doing study for weekly sermons? Doctor V, 153 00:08:45,910 --> 00:08:46,510 S1: go ahead. 154 00:08:47,470 --> 00:08:50,000 S3: I would say absolutely. Pastors are going to be using 155 00:08:50,000 --> 00:08:53,040 S3: it to shortcut the process to make it simpler for them. 156 00:08:54,080 --> 00:08:56,320 S3: And I really object to that. I think one of 157 00:08:56,320 --> 00:08:59,679 S3: the primary responsibilities of a preaching pastor is to let 158 00:08:59,679 --> 00:09:03,760 S3: the Word of God preach to himself first. And I 159 00:09:03,800 --> 00:09:06,160 S3: don't think you can do that unless you are grappling 160 00:09:06,160 --> 00:09:09,400 S3: with the text and praying about it and examining your 161 00:09:09,400 --> 00:09:11,440 S3: own heart while you're doing that. And I think that's 162 00:09:11,440 --> 00:09:16,360 S3: very difficult to do. If you say to AI, write 163 00:09:16,360 --> 00:09:19,000 S3: me a good sermon on Romans 828, and then boom, 164 00:09:19,000 --> 00:09:20,439 S3: I got it. I can read it and get familiar 165 00:09:20,440 --> 00:09:22,120 S3: with it. I can read it from the pulpit. And 166 00:09:22,120 --> 00:09:26,000 S3: it's just it's plagiarism. It's pure plagiarism. So I have 167 00:09:26,000 --> 00:09:28,280 S3: a major problem with that. I think more and more 168 00:09:28,320 --> 00:09:32,600 S3: that is happening these days, where I know of pastors 169 00:09:32,600 --> 00:09:36,360 S3: who are using the sermons of other famous pastors, but 170 00:09:36,360 --> 00:09:39,080 S3: not giving them credit for it. And I just think 171 00:09:39,080 --> 00:09:41,760 S3: that's really quite wrong. So I have a problem with that. 172 00:09:41,760 --> 00:09:44,559 S3: AI is like anything, um, it's going to have its 173 00:09:44,559 --> 00:09:48,410 S3: benefits and its drawbacks super quick. They're a really good 174 00:09:48,410 --> 00:09:50,929 S3: friend of mine who's not in pastoral ministry, although he's 175 00:09:50,970 --> 00:09:54,250 S3: active in church, was asked to do the graveside service 176 00:09:54,250 --> 00:09:56,570 S3: of a mutual friend of ours, and he did so, 177 00:09:56,809 --> 00:09:58,850 S3: but he had no idea what to say to graveside. 178 00:09:58,850 --> 00:10:01,370 S3: And so he asked AI and came up with something 179 00:10:01,370 --> 00:10:03,690 S3: that was really great, but my friend didn't have the 180 00:10:03,690 --> 00:10:05,770 S3: capacity or the knowledge of how to do that. And 181 00:10:05,770 --> 00:10:08,089 S3: so I think there it was really a benefit to 182 00:10:08,090 --> 00:10:10,290 S3: him and he did a great job. But he also 183 00:10:10,290 --> 00:10:13,930 S3: gave credit to AI when he spoke in front of people. So, 184 00:10:14,770 --> 00:10:17,050 S3: you know, it's like anything there's there's good aspects to 185 00:10:17,050 --> 00:10:18,850 S3: it and there are problems with it. 186 00:10:19,690 --> 00:10:20,210 S1: Michael. 187 00:10:21,850 --> 00:10:25,770 S2: Yes, that's exactly how I feel. I was at a 188 00:10:26,090 --> 00:10:29,250 S2: two Junes ago. I was in New York at a 189 00:10:29,690 --> 00:10:34,610 S2: ministry leadership meeting. I was an invited guest, and I 190 00:10:34,610 --> 00:10:37,130 S2: was sitting around and they were talking about the use 191 00:10:37,130 --> 00:10:41,250 S2: of AI. And one of the people was arguing about 192 00:10:41,250 --> 00:10:49,180 S2: how easy it made sermon prep and. I. They pulled 193 00:10:49,179 --> 00:10:51,340 S2: up one of the systems I guess they're using now. 194 00:10:51,380 --> 00:10:56,540 S2: I'm not very familiar, but it was called Claude. And, uh, 195 00:10:56,540 --> 00:11:01,140 S2: it was a, uh, they said, write a sermon on 196 00:11:01,140 --> 00:11:08,860 S2: the reason we should reach Jewish people with the gospel. And, boy, one, two, three. 197 00:11:08,900 --> 00:11:13,860 S2: It was it was maybe three minutes. A perfect sermon outline, 198 00:11:14,059 --> 00:11:21,500 S2: good biblical context, really a biblical sermon on that. And 199 00:11:21,500 --> 00:11:27,780 S2: it it bugged me to no end. And the reason is, uh, 200 00:11:27,780 --> 00:11:31,340 S2: was it Peter Marshall who said, preaching is God's Spirit 201 00:11:31,340 --> 00:11:35,060 S2: and His word poured through a man so that it 202 00:11:35,059 --> 00:11:39,059 S2: comes to the people. Well, that wasn't poured through anyone. 203 00:11:39,059 --> 00:11:45,020 S2: That was just something on computer. You know, when there 204 00:11:45,020 --> 00:11:49,230 S2: was no passion. There was no personalization about it. It 205 00:11:49,230 --> 00:11:53,470 S2: was just kind of interesting content. And and I feel 206 00:11:53,470 --> 00:11:58,350 S2: like preaching can't be just an intellectual exercise. It has 207 00:11:58,350 --> 00:12:04,630 S2: to be personal and practical and poured through an individual to, 208 00:12:05,070 --> 00:12:08,670 S2: to bring it to people. And so I really didn't 209 00:12:08,670 --> 00:12:09,310 S2: like it. 210 00:12:10,630 --> 00:12:14,630 S1: Are you giving though? Are you giving today's pastors not 211 00:12:14,630 --> 00:12:18,829 S1: enough credit for. And I know that there were some 212 00:12:18,830 --> 00:12:21,069 S1: there are some who will do that type of thing, 213 00:12:21,590 --> 00:12:26,590 S1: but pastors who believe exactly what you've just said, but 214 00:12:26,590 --> 00:12:29,910 S1: use this as a tool. You could go back and 215 00:12:29,910 --> 00:12:32,070 S1: do the same thing that you mentioned a minute ago. 216 00:12:32,110 --> 00:12:35,070 S1: You go back to Spurgeon or Moody and, and lift 217 00:12:35,070 --> 00:12:39,310 S1: things and, and preach that or commentaries. You know, how 218 00:12:39,309 --> 00:12:42,030 S1: many different commentaries do you have on the wall behind 219 00:12:42,030 --> 00:12:43,870 S1: you right now, Michael, that you could go and you 220 00:12:43,960 --> 00:12:47,600 S1: could refer to. But doing that is different than asking 221 00:12:47,760 --> 00:12:50,760 S1: AI to write the sermon for you. Right. Doctor V. 222 00:12:53,440 --> 00:12:58,880 S3: Yeah. I mean, the I'll never forget Winifred Nealy, our 223 00:12:58,880 --> 00:13:02,080 S3: friend from Moody in the pastoral department once upon a 224 00:13:02,080 --> 00:13:06,080 S3: time said, look, when I, when I do sermon prep, 225 00:13:06,120 --> 00:13:09,920 S3: I um, milk a lot of cows, but I always 226 00:13:09,920 --> 00:13:13,520 S3: churn butter. I thought that was a great way to 227 00:13:13,520 --> 00:13:15,679 S3: put it. And I think what he means by that 228 00:13:15,679 --> 00:13:18,840 S3: is he'll read he'll read dozens of books on a 229 00:13:18,880 --> 00:13:22,200 S3: passage or a topic. But in the final analysis, he's 230 00:13:22,200 --> 00:13:24,959 S3: the one who sort of takes things and synthesizes it 231 00:13:25,000 --> 00:13:27,720 S3: and puts it together and has prayed through it and 232 00:13:27,720 --> 00:13:30,640 S3: thought about it for himself, but and for his congregation 233 00:13:30,640 --> 00:13:36,000 S3: as well. And so, um, it, it, it just seems 234 00:13:36,000 --> 00:13:38,520 S3: to me that, that there's too much of a shortcut, 235 00:13:38,520 --> 00:13:42,400 S3: I think with AI and I think the process can 236 00:13:42,890 --> 00:13:46,410 S3: be truncated. And and that's not good. 237 00:13:46,570 --> 00:13:47,010 S4: Yeah. 238 00:13:47,050 --> 00:13:50,410 S1: So Doctor Neeley with us in less than two weeks friends. 239 00:13:50,410 --> 00:13:53,650 S1: So make sure you stay tuned right here. Okay. Michael 240 00:13:53,650 --> 00:13:54,130 S1: go ahead. 241 00:13:54,170 --> 00:13:57,850 S2: I, I just feel like what what that is saying 242 00:13:57,850 --> 00:14:01,610 S2: is that, well, when you said that you could go 243 00:14:01,610 --> 00:14:05,450 S2: to another person, you could take their material even before AI. 244 00:14:07,570 --> 00:14:10,449 S2: But at least you knew who you were doing that with. 245 00:14:10,809 --> 00:14:14,290 S2: And I knew a pastor in the Chicago area who 246 00:14:14,290 --> 00:14:17,690 S2: many years ago lost his pastorate because his people figured 247 00:14:17,690 --> 00:14:21,410 S2: out that he was taking tapes by John MacArthur and 248 00:14:21,410 --> 00:14:26,890 S2: basically copying his sermons from them. And that wasn't kosher, either. 249 00:14:27,090 --> 00:14:31,250 S2: You know, that's that's not certainly was possible. It's just 250 00:14:31,250 --> 00:14:33,330 S2: easier with AI because you don't have to listen to 251 00:14:33,370 --> 00:14:35,490 S2: the whole thing. You just type in what you want 252 00:14:35,530 --> 00:14:38,530 S2: and it pulls it all up. Uh, and so I 253 00:14:38,530 --> 00:14:41,970 S2: think it becomes a greater temptation The than than the 254 00:14:41,970 --> 00:14:47,650 S2: other way. And I just I think that we need 255 00:14:48,130 --> 00:14:52,810 S2: personally for me, when I'm preaching, I start with the 256 00:14:52,810 --> 00:14:55,650 S2: text of Scripture and I try to study it on 257 00:14:55,650 --> 00:14:59,170 S2: my own without looking at a commentary, without looking at 258 00:14:59,170 --> 00:15:02,370 S2: another sermon about it, I. I'm looking at it from 259 00:15:02,370 --> 00:15:06,010 S2: my perspective. Then I go to the other stuff to, 260 00:15:06,290 --> 00:15:09,210 S2: to see if I've missed something, to see if. If 261 00:15:09,250 --> 00:15:13,050 S2: I was incorrect about my own personal study, I. But 262 00:15:13,050 --> 00:15:18,530 S2: I'm not trying to build the sermon off of the. 263 00:15:18,530 --> 00:15:23,330 S2: The others, uh, milking those cows I start churning by 264 00:15:23,330 --> 00:15:25,050 S2: myself is what I would say. 265 00:15:26,250 --> 00:15:28,850 S1: Very good analogy. And I have to ask Doctor Neely 266 00:15:28,850 --> 00:15:31,530 S1: about that when he comes back with us here. All right. 267 00:15:31,530 --> 00:15:37,890 S1: Here's the number (877) 548-3675. Myron is in Chicago. Myron why'd 268 00:15:37,890 --> 00:15:38,650 S1: you call today. 269 00:15:39,650 --> 00:15:41,180 S5: Oh. Hey guys, can you hear me? 270 00:15:41,220 --> 00:15:41,900 S1: Sure can. 271 00:15:42,820 --> 00:15:46,540 S5: Cool. Thanks for having me on. Um, my question is, 272 00:15:46,540 --> 00:15:49,780 S5: I guess as preachers, how do you, I guess, differentiate 273 00:15:50,380 --> 00:15:54,500 S5: between the biblical Israel and the Bible and modern day Israel, 274 00:15:54,500 --> 00:15:57,100 S5: which is like, you know, currently committing a genocide in 275 00:15:57,100 --> 00:16:01,740 S5: Gaza and ethnically cleansing Lebanon. Which values are like very 276 00:16:01,740 --> 00:16:06,660 S5: antithetical to like Christianity, uh, you know, like mass killing. 277 00:16:06,660 --> 00:16:09,620 S5: So how is preachers? Do you make sure to differentiate 278 00:16:09,620 --> 00:16:12,860 S5: between the two, whereas one is in the government and 279 00:16:12,860 --> 00:16:13,940 S5: one is in the Bible? 280 00:16:14,340 --> 00:16:14,820 S2: Yeah. 281 00:16:15,780 --> 00:16:19,220 S1: Okay, Michael. Go ahead. I can tell you're chomping at 282 00:16:19,220 --> 00:16:19,740 S1: the bit. 283 00:16:19,780 --> 00:16:21,940 S2: Well, I'm not chomping at the bit, Myron, because I'm 284 00:16:21,940 --> 00:16:27,180 S2: really disappointed in you. Uh, and it makes me really 285 00:16:27,180 --> 00:16:34,700 S2: sad because what? You have repeated a libel, a falsehood, 286 00:16:35,860 --> 00:16:42,550 S2: an untruth about what's happening today. And it breaks my 287 00:16:42,550 --> 00:16:46,150 S2: heart that you have succumbed to the propaganda out there 288 00:16:46,470 --> 00:16:50,390 S2: that says that Israel is committing a genocide and. 289 00:16:50,470 --> 00:16:53,070 S5: But are not 2 million people homeless? Have you not 290 00:16:53,070 --> 00:17:00,550 S5: seen pictures of Gaza and a destroyed health care system? 70,000. 291 00:17:00,590 --> 00:17:03,470 S2: Well, here's here's what I'm going to say. You know, 292 00:17:03,510 --> 00:17:07,270 S2: you can you can say what you want, but 7000 293 00:17:07,270 --> 00:17:12,149 S2: people have died, according to Hamas. You know, Myron, you 294 00:17:12,190 --> 00:17:19,150 S2: got now it's my turn to talk. Okay. Uh, 7000 died. 295 00:17:19,150 --> 00:17:24,389 S2: But Hamas said that they never differentiated between those who 296 00:17:24,430 --> 00:17:32,629 S2: were combatants and those who were victims of Hamas for 297 00:17:32,630 --> 00:17:37,230 S2: embedding among civilians. Uh, I don't hear you complaining that 298 00:17:37,320 --> 00:17:44,960 S2: Hamas attacked in a terrible war atrocity against Israel? Uh, 299 00:17:45,520 --> 00:17:50,320 S2: and then they embedded amongst their own people among civilians 300 00:17:50,320 --> 00:17:53,359 S2: and wouldn't let them go to safety, uh, where Israel 301 00:17:53,400 --> 00:17:57,240 S2: told them where to go. Israel never intended to kill civilians. 302 00:17:57,240 --> 00:18:01,360 S2: That was never the case. Israel has the lowest ratio 303 00:18:01,359 --> 00:18:04,359 S2: of non-combatants to combatant deaths in any war in the 304 00:18:04,359 --> 00:18:06,880 S2: Middle East compared to the United States, compared to any 305 00:18:06,880 --> 00:18:10,080 S2: other nation. It's about a one and a half to one, 306 00:18:10,080 --> 00:18:15,640 S2: which is heartbreaking. Our hearts break. Every hearts should break 307 00:18:15,640 --> 00:18:18,000 S2: for the loss of innocent life. But I think we 308 00:18:18,000 --> 00:18:20,960 S2: should be angry at Hamas for starting a war and 309 00:18:20,960 --> 00:18:28,120 S2: deliberately provoking a war, and then deliberately staying among civilians 310 00:18:28,280 --> 00:18:33,240 S2: and causing that nation, the Palestinians, to suffer at the 311 00:18:33,280 --> 00:18:38,250 S2: hands of Israel. That is what Hamas did. Hamas is 312 00:18:38,250 --> 00:18:41,090 S2: the one that we should be angry at. Hamas is 313 00:18:41,090 --> 00:18:43,890 S2: the genocidal group. They are the ones that call for 314 00:18:43,890 --> 00:18:48,689 S2: the genocide of all Jews. So Israel never intended it. 315 00:18:48,690 --> 00:18:52,610 S2: And that's actually a very important part of genocide when 316 00:18:52,890 --> 00:18:55,650 S2: according to what genocide is, there has to be intention. 317 00:18:55,650 --> 00:18:57,290 S2: I'm not going to take too much time about it. 318 00:18:57,290 --> 00:19:00,810 S2: I'll just tell you this about biblical Israel. Biblical Israel 319 00:19:01,250 --> 00:19:04,730 S2: was the nation, the the nation of Israel was and 320 00:19:04,730 --> 00:19:07,890 S2: the land of Israel. That was the kingdom of Israel. 321 00:19:07,890 --> 00:19:10,050 S2: In the Bible. It was the nation state of the 322 00:19:10,050 --> 00:19:13,649 S2: Jewish people. Today, modern Israel is the nation state of 323 00:19:13,650 --> 00:19:17,690 S2: the Jewish people. Uh, no difference in that sense. So 324 00:19:17,730 --> 00:19:23,730 S2: though they're not exactly the same, biblical Israel was a monarchy. 325 00:19:24,210 --> 00:19:31,410 S2: Modern Israel is a democracy. Uh, biblical Israel was a theocracy. 326 00:19:31,450 --> 00:19:37,699 S2: Modern Israel is a democracy, is a secular nation, but nevertheless, 327 00:19:38,180 --> 00:19:42,060 S2: they're both the nation state of the Jewish people. And I, 328 00:19:42,100 --> 00:19:46,340 S2: I would really encourage you to reexamine. There's a lot 329 00:19:46,340 --> 00:19:51,220 S2: of good material. Roy Altman wrote a book recently that 330 00:19:51,260 --> 00:19:55,940 S2: explains a lot of the falsehoods that you are, uh, 331 00:19:56,580 --> 00:20:02,139 S2: are repeating. Uh, and, uh, it's, it's, I'm trying to 332 00:20:02,140 --> 00:20:05,300 S2: remember the name of it. Israel on trial. Roy Altman 333 00:20:05,300 --> 00:20:08,660 S2: is a federal judge. Uh, and it's a really good book. 334 00:20:08,700 --> 00:20:10,900 S2: And I think you should have a look at it. Myron. 335 00:20:11,500 --> 00:20:13,459 S1: I want to get Doctor Van Landingham in here. What 336 00:20:13,460 --> 00:20:14,340 S1: do you say, Mike? Yeah. 337 00:20:14,740 --> 00:20:18,900 S3: Very quickly. Um, if Israel is engaged in genocide, they're 338 00:20:18,900 --> 00:20:22,419 S3: doing a really lousy job of it. They really are. 339 00:20:22,660 --> 00:20:24,460 S3: I mean, a number of years ago and I don't 340 00:20:24,460 --> 00:20:28,580 S3: remember which year, but, um, it was mentioned that, um, 341 00:20:28,580 --> 00:20:34,310 S3: there were 100,000 Palestinians, West Bank, Gaza, Who went into 342 00:20:34,350 --> 00:20:39,110 S3: Israel and received free medical aid. And I'm thinking, well, 343 00:20:39,109 --> 00:20:42,830 S3: if that's genocide, then as I said, Israel's really lousy 344 00:20:42,830 --> 00:20:45,670 S3: at it. So there's not that going on. It is 345 00:20:45,670 --> 00:20:48,510 S3: a libel. It is a slander. It is inaccurate, in 346 00:20:48,510 --> 00:20:51,990 S3: my opinion. And this is the last thing I'll say. Um, 347 00:20:52,230 --> 00:20:58,390 S3: Hamas started it and would have, uh, eradicated Israel if 348 00:20:58,390 --> 00:21:01,310 S3: they could. If you read through the Hamas constitution, which 349 00:21:01,310 --> 00:21:04,390 S3: is online three times, it says that the ultimate purpose 350 00:21:04,390 --> 00:21:08,310 S3: of Hamas is the elimination of Israel. Three times it 351 00:21:08,310 --> 00:21:11,310 S3: says that they have gone on record for being genocidal themselves. 352 00:21:11,310 --> 00:21:14,030 S3: And yet we never hear about that. The last thing 353 00:21:14,070 --> 00:21:17,869 S3: you know, um, there is this thing called total depravity. 354 00:21:18,109 --> 00:21:25,669 S3: And basically total depravity maintains that, um, that people basically, um, 355 00:21:25,790 --> 00:21:28,709 S3: hate God. Basically there's other aspects of total depravity, but 356 00:21:28,710 --> 00:21:33,080 S3: that's one of them. And um, and so people have 357 00:21:33,080 --> 00:21:38,040 S3: within them this fallen nature that leads them to hate God. 358 00:21:38,040 --> 00:21:40,000 S3: And they're going to not only hate God, but they're 359 00:21:40,000 --> 00:21:43,320 S3: going to hate what God loves. And God loves the church, 360 00:21:43,320 --> 00:21:45,679 S3: and God loves Israel. And what do we see in 361 00:21:45,680 --> 00:21:49,520 S3: the world right now? The world hates Israel, and the 362 00:21:49,520 --> 00:21:51,439 S3: world hates the church. And we're going to see more 363 00:21:51,440 --> 00:21:53,760 S3: and more of that on both sides, I think, in 364 00:21:53,760 --> 00:21:56,800 S3: the future. And so, Myron, I'm just going to say 365 00:21:57,320 --> 00:22:00,000 S3: it's unfortunate that you have bought into that, but there's 366 00:22:00,000 --> 00:22:02,120 S3: a theological reason for it. And I just want to 367 00:22:02,119 --> 00:22:05,159 S3: suggest that you need to become much more biblical about 368 00:22:05,160 --> 00:22:09,640 S3: this than, than to be inclined to listen to secular news. 369 00:22:10,960 --> 00:22:14,560 S1: I do appreciate your call, though, Myron. Thanks for the conversation. 370 00:22:14,640 --> 00:22:17,840 S1: Rebecca is in Akron, Ohio. Rebecca. Go right ahead. 371 00:22:19,080 --> 00:22:21,960 S6: Hello. I hope you can hear me. Patricia was just 372 00:22:21,960 --> 00:22:26,360 S6: wonderful trying to get our communications going. And I have 373 00:22:26,359 --> 00:22:30,600 S6: a hearing problem. But anyway, I've heard two pastors just recently, 374 00:22:30,690 --> 00:22:34,090 S6: highly esteemed preach God's Word. I know we're going to 375 00:22:34,130 --> 00:22:37,850 S6: recognize each other in heaven, but when they talk about, 376 00:22:37,850 --> 00:22:42,929 S6: we will not only retain our personalities, but memories. Um, 377 00:22:42,970 --> 00:22:45,850 S6: that was a little bit of a, huh, you know, 378 00:22:45,890 --> 00:22:49,530 S6: kind of a down thing because I fight the accuser 379 00:22:49,530 --> 00:22:53,729 S6: every day who wants to remind me of my memories. Uh, 380 00:22:53,730 --> 00:22:56,730 S6: could you please clarify that? And I know God will 381 00:22:56,730 --> 00:23:00,090 S6: make a way. I read somewhere that somehow he will 382 00:23:00,090 --> 00:23:05,290 S6: cleanse those memories that are not holy and, you know, 383 00:23:05,369 --> 00:23:09,170 S6: and make everything right. So I may I may have 384 00:23:09,170 --> 00:23:10,729 S6: to I think I'm going to hang up so I 385 00:23:10,730 --> 00:23:13,810 S6: can hear you better on my speakerphone. Okay. 386 00:23:14,130 --> 00:23:18,330 S1: It's a great question, Rebecca. Thank you for your call today. Okay. Knowing, 387 00:23:18,369 --> 00:23:23,290 S1: remembering in heaven. Michael. Michael, which one are you? Well, I. 388 00:23:23,330 --> 00:23:23,810 S2: Just want to. 389 00:23:23,810 --> 00:23:23,970 S1: Say. 390 00:23:24,010 --> 00:23:27,370 S2: That I don't think God has a divine neuralizer like 391 00:23:27,369 --> 00:23:33,420 S2: they had in Men in Black. Remember where. Because if 392 00:23:33,460 --> 00:23:38,220 S2: we couldn't remember what we were before we were redeemed, 393 00:23:38,660 --> 00:23:42,899 S2: how are we going to celebrate our redemption forever? And, 394 00:23:43,260 --> 00:23:47,379 S2: and so I, I think a better understanding is that 395 00:23:47,380 --> 00:23:54,340 S2: God heals our memories and redeems our memories rather than 396 00:23:54,500 --> 00:23:58,940 S2: removes our memories. That's, that's how I understand it, that 397 00:23:58,940 --> 00:24:02,100 S2: we'll still know. But we won't feel the anguish, the shame, 398 00:24:02,140 --> 00:24:05,500 S2: the pain that we do now. When we think back, 399 00:24:05,540 --> 00:24:07,139 S2: there are things I did when I was in second 400 00:24:07,140 --> 00:24:09,859 S2: grade that I'm still embarrassed about, and I was just 401 00:24:09,859 --> 00:24:15,060 S2: seven years old. Uh, and and I did something stupid 402 00:24:15,060 --> 00:24:18,820 S2: or I said something kind of boastful or something like that. And, 403 00:24:18,980 --> 00:24:21,379 S2: and I'm thinking, you're seven years old. What are you 404 00:24:21,380 --> 00:24:25,300 S2: going to do? But I'm still ashamed of it. Nevertheless, 405 00:24:25,300 --> 00:24:28,220 S2: I think that God will heal that anguish that we 406 00:24:28,340 --> 00:24:33,060 S2: feel someday when we're glorified. What do you think, Michael? 407 00:24:33,859 --> 00:24:36,340 S3: I, I agree 100%. I think it's a great way 408 00:24:36,340 --> 00:24:39,020 S3: of putting it that God's going to heal our our memories. 409 00:24:39,060 --> 00:24:42,580 S3: You know, it does say that in revelation, um, in 410 00:24:42,660 --> 00:24:45,900 S3: chapter 21, verse four, that God will wipe away every 411 00:24:45,900 --> 00:24:48,460 S3: tear from their eyes that's from us. And so I'm 412 00:24:48,460 --> 00:24:51,340 S3: thinking part of the tears are going to be regrets 413 00:24:51,340 --> 00:24:55,260 S3: or memories about being victimized in some way or abused 414 00:24:55,260 --> 00:24:58,180 S3: or something. I think God's going to comfort us with that. 415 00:24:58,180 --> 00:25:00,699 S3: Plus also our memories. Like you said, Michael, they don't 416 00:25:00,700 --> 00:25:03,620 S3: get just erased. I mean, Jesus in his resurrection is 417 00:25:03,619 --> 00:25:05,860 S3: a great pattern for us. But when he sought out 418 00:25:05,859 --> 00:25:08,820 S3: the disciples, he didn't see Peter and go, oh, uh, 419 00:25:08,859 --> 00:25:11,340 S3: what's your name again, please? He didn't say that. He 420 00:25:11,340 --> 00:25:14,020 S3: knew exactly who Peter was and all the other guys. 421 00:25:14,020 --> 00:25:18,139 S3: And so those memories were intact, um, even through his resurrection. 422 00:25:18,140 --> 00:25:20,340 S3: And I expect that they will be for us as well, 423 00:25:20,660 --> 00:25:24,060 S3: though healed those that have been most painful for us, 424 00:25:24,060 --> 00:25:25,140 S3: those memories. 425 00:25:25,580 --> 00:25:28,470 S1: And even the scars that were in the hands of 426 00:25:28,790 --> 00:25:32,510 S1: the feet of Jesus, those are still there. So I 427 00:25:32,510 --> 00:25:35,990 S1: think that jumping on what you both said, that these 428 00:25:35,990 --> 00:25:39,390 S1: painful memories will be not only it won't be erased, 429 00:25:39,390 --> 00:25:43,390 S1: but they'll be redeemed. It'll it'll show glory to God 430 00:25:43,390 --> 00:25:46,350 S1: in a way that we can't understand right now. Uh, 431 00:25:46,390 --> 00:26:05,270 S1: we have more of your questions at (877) 548-3675. The two 432 00:26:05,270 --> 00:26:07,469 S1: Michaels are with us today at the radio backyard fence. 433 00:26:07,470 --> 00:26:10,590 S1: I see Tricia just put up that book by Roy Altman. 434 00:26:10,590 --> 00:26:12,510 S1: If you're saying, oh, I didn't get that, go to 435 00:26:12,550 --> 00:26:16,190 S1: the website, chris.org and you'll see a link there to 436 00:26:16,230 --> 00:26:20,510 S1: Israel on trial. Also, you'll see Doctor Rydell, Nick's book, 437 00:26:20,510 --> 00:26:23,310 S1: How should Christians Think About Israel? That might be a 438 00:26:23,310 --> 00:26:27,200 S1: good one for Myron to read. 50 most important Bible questions. 439 00:26:27,200 --> 00:26:31,560 S1: The moody Bible commentary that Doctor Van Landingham and Doctor 440 00:26:31,560 --> 00:26:36,720 S1: Rudnick co-edited. And we were talking about memories. Can you think, 441 00:26:37,119 --> 00:26:42,120 S1: imagine in heaven, Doctor Van Landingham, you and Will looking 442 00:26:42,119 --> 00:26:44,320 S1: at each other and saying, do you remember that day 443 00:26:44,320 --> 00:26:46,439 S1: when we moved two and a half tons of crushed 444 00:26:46,440 --> 00:26:50,200 S1: limestone together? And what a great job we did with that. 445 00:26:51,720 --> 00:26:56,040 S3: And that day was yesterday. And my 16 year old grandson, 446 00:26:56,040 --> 00:26:59,199 S3: Will Stevenson, came and he helped us. We hired him actually, 447 00:26:59,200 --> 00:27:02,160 S3: because we knew we were going to have trouble doing that. 448 00:27:02,520 --> 00:27:05,600 S3: We're sort of remodeling a path along the side of 449 00:27:05,600 --> 00:27:08,480 S3: our house. It's pretty long. And he came up and 450 00:27:08,480 --> 00:27:10,960 S3: helped us, but we had this huge pile of of 451 00:27:11,000 --> 00:27:15,840 S3: crushed limestone. Technically, it's called limestone screenings. And we moved 452 00:27:15,840 --> 00:27:18,840 S3: all of that and my wife leveled it out and everything. 453 00:27:19,200 --> 00:27:20,640 S3: And so we did. You made your. 454 00:27:20,640 --> 00:27:21,160 S1: Wife do. 455 00:27:21,160 --> 00:27:22,320 S2: This, Mike. 456 00:27:22,359 --> 00:27:24,970 S3: My, my wife, she raked out. She She leveled. She 457 00:27:24,970 --> 00:27:27,770 S3: raked out what we dumped. You know, she used wheelbarrows 458 00:27:27,770 --> 00:27:30,850 S3: and stuff. So I'm happy to say. And I'm. I'm 459 00:27:31,090 --> 00:27:33,370 S3: very proud of this. I'll have to confess it later 460 00:27:33,770 --> 00:27:36,929 S3: that I kept up with my grandson, who's very fit 461 00:27:36,930 --> 00:27:40,810 S3: and very strong, and he did not outwork me, but 462 00:27:40,810 --> 00:27:43,890 S3: today I it was like 1130 before I could get 463 00:27:43,890 --> 00:27:46,370 S3: out of bed. So yeah, it was, it was really 464 00:27:46,690 --> 00:27:47,450 S3: it was really hard. 465 00:27:47,570 --> 00:27:50,050 S1: What I was thinking. I wonder, how's your back today? 466 00:27:50,090 --> 00:27:53,130 S2: Your grandson hopped out of bed, thought, well, that was 467 00:27:53,130 --> 00:27:55,650 S2: a nice day. Nice sleep. He feels just fine. 468 00:27:55,650 --> 00:27:56,130 S4: Right. 469 00:27:56,290 --> 00:27:57,530 S3: So what do we do today? 470 00:27:57,690 --> 00:27:58,210 S4: Yeah. 471 00:27:58,810 --> 00:28:01,250 S1: All right. With the two Michaels are here, and so 472 00:28:01,290 --> 00:28:04,290 S1: is Marilyn in Mississippi. Hi, Marilyn. Go right ahead. 473 00:28:05,890 --> 00:28:06,610 S6: Yes. 474 00:28:06,609 --> 00:28:11,850 S7: Hi, Michael. And, um, both Michaels. I love listening to y'all. 475 00:28:12,730 --> 00:28:16,330 S7: Marilyn and Chris. I just love your show. I listen 476 00:28:16,330 --> 00:28:16,970 S7: to it every day. 477 00:28:17,490 --> 00:28:18,010 S1: Aren't you. 478 00:28:18,050 --> 00:28:18,609 S7: Kind? Okay. 479 00:28:18,650 --> 00:28:19,370 S1: Thank you. Marilyn. 480 00:28:19,650 --> 00:28:27,700 S7: Uh, yeah. You, uh. Jesus. Um, my question is, why 481 00:28:27,700 --> 00:28:31,820 S7: did Jesus only start healing when he got 33? Or 482 00:28:31,820 --> 00:28:35,820 S7: did he heal before then? He only lived 33, walked 483 00:28:35,859 --> 00:28:40,700 S7: earth 33 years. And his first, his first miracle was 484 00:28:40,700 --> 00:28:43,900 S7: when he, you know, changed the wine into water. Well, 485 00:28:43,900 --> 00:28:47,260 S7: was that his first miracle or did he start healing 486 00:28:47,300 --> 00:28:50,540 S7: or and doing miracles before that? And it wasn't recorded. 487 00:28:50,780 --> 00:28:54,380 S1: Good question. Water into wine is what? But at 30, 488 00:28:54,420 --> 00:28:58,220 S1: it's about 30. When when that started his public ministry. 489 00:28:58,220 --> 00:29:01,459 S1: And it started with that miracle. So, Doctor Vanlandingham, are 490 00:29:01,460 --> 00:29:03,780 S1: you going to answer? We don't know or not. 491 00:29:03,820 --> 00:29:07,540 S3: Well, I mean, I'll give what I think might be 492 00:29:07,540 --> 00:29:15,020 S3: the answer. Um, Jesus wasn't actually anointed for his messianic ministry, 493 00:29:15,020 --> 00:29:18,500 S3: anointed by God through the Holy Spirit until he was 494 00:29:18,500 --> 00:29:23,950 S3: baptized by John in the River Jordan, and the Spirit 495 00:29:23,950 --> 00:29:27,190 S3: of God descended upon him as a dove. Um, in 496 00:29:27,270 --> 00:29:30,390 S3: Matthew chapter three, verse 16, and it seems to me 497 00:29:30,390 --> 00:29:32,950 S3: that it's at that point he begins his ministry, including 498 00:29:32,950 --> 00:29:36,830 S3: not only his preaching publicly, but also then, um, the 499 00:29:36,830 --> 00:29:40,710 S3: miracles that he performed. And I think that probably not 500 00:29:40,710 --> 00:29:45,390 S3: probably every single miracle or genre of miracle that he 501 00:29:45,390 --> 00:29:50,390 S3: did was, uh, prophesied in the Old Testament as something 502 00:29:50,390 --> 00:29:54,790 S3: that the coming Messiah would do. And so when Jesus 503 00:29:54,790 --> 00:30:00,270 S3: begins his messianic ministry, he does those, uh, he does 504 00:30:00,270 --> 00:30:04,750 S3: those miracles as proof of his messianic identity. So it 505 00:30:04,750 --> 00:30:07,590 S3: seems to me they had to wait until his anointing. And, uh, 506 00:30:07,590 --> 00:30:10,550 S3: and that was done in his time in God's timing 507 00:30:10,550 --> 00:30:12,830 S3: for him. Uh, and it seems to me that that's 508 00:30:12,830 --> 00:30:14,830 S3: probably a way to approach this question. 509 00:30:15,550 --> 00:30:15,990 S4: Yeah. 510 00:30:17,270 --> 00:30:23,800 S2: I don't have any idea. But here's. First of all, 511 00:30:23,800 --> 00:30:26,959 S2: there may have been other things that the Lord Jesus did. Uh, 512 00:30:27,360 --> 00:30:31,760 S2: it says in the last verse of John 21, the 513 00:30:31,760 --> 00:30:34,320 S2: very last verse of the whole book of the Gospel 514 00:30:34,320 --> 00:30:37,480 S2: of John. There are also many other things that Jesus did, 515 00:30:37,480 --> 00:30:40,600 S2: which if they were written one by one, I suppose 516 00:30:40,600 --> 00:30:43,040 S2: not even the world itself could contain the books that 517 00:30:43,040 --> 00:30:47,920 S2: would be written. And so who knows what happened. But 518 00:30:47,920 --> 00:30:52,720 S2: I do think his public ministry began around the age 519 00:30:52,720 --> 00:30:55,040 S2: of 30. I think a little bit older, but around 520 00:30:55,040 --> 00:30:58,280 S2: the age of 30. Uh, that's why it says around 521 00:30:58,320 --> 00:31:04,160 S2: and approximately it doesn't mean exactly. Uh, and also his 522 00:31:04,160 --> 00:31:08,719 S2: public ministry were miracles designed to proclaim his identity. And 523 00:31:08,720 --> 00:31:12,880 S2: so he, as Mike said at his baptism, the Holy Spirit. 524 00:31:15,120 --> 00:31:17,200 S2: Descends upon him. I always see the baptism. A lot 525 00:31:17,200 --> 00:31:19,890 S2: of people see the baptism of the Lord Jesus as 526 00:31:19,890 --> 00:31:25,890 S2: just being sort of his to fulfill all righteousness. To 527 00:31:25,930 --> 00:31:29,810 S2: give us an example, I actually think it's related to, uh, 528 00:31:29,810 --> 00:31:33,330 S2: beginning of its high priestly ministry and that the high 529 00:31:33,330 --> 00:31:40,210 S2: priest had special, uh, washing like that to symbolically prepare 530 00:31:40,210 --> 00:31:43,050 S2: him for his high priestly ministry. And the Lord Jesus 531 00:31:43,050 --> 00:31:46,490 S2: and his public ministry begins now with his as our 532 00:31:46,490 --> 00:31:51,810 S2: high priest, as our representative. And therefore, that's when the miracles, 533 00:31:51,810 --> 00:31:55,050 S2: the public miracles begin to point people to him. 534 00:31:56,010 --> 00:32:00,730 S1: You can find apocryphal stories of Jesus bringing birds back 535 00:32:00,730 --> 00:32:03,330 S1: to life as a child. You know, those types of 536 00:32:03,330 --> 00:32:07,850 S1: things were written. That's not scripture, though. I am in 537 00:32:07,850 --> 00:32:12,650 S1: John chapter two, when Mary, his mother, says, you know, 538 00:32:12,690 --> 00:32:16,330 S1: they've run out of wine and he says, woman, you know, 539 00:32:16,370 --> 00:32:20,180 S1: what does this Concern me. Why does it concern me? 540 00:32:20,420 --> 00:32:25,620 S1: My hour has not yet come. It's like this. This. 541 00:32:25,820 --> 00:32:30,060 S1: That's a signal. There's something that is changing here. My 542 00:32:30,100 --> 00:32:32,980 S1: hour is not yet come. And then he does this. 543 00:32:33,380 --> 00:32:37,620 S1: And to me, it means this is the first one 544 00:32:37,660 --> 00:32:41,660 S1: of many that come later on. Would you agree with that? 545 00:32:42,220 --> 00:32:42,740 S4: Yeah. 546 00:32:43,020 --> 00:32:48,060 S2: I think Isaiah 35, by the way, talks about that 547 00:32:48,060 --> 00:32:51,459 S2: when the Messiah comes in the messianic kingdom, there'll be 548 00:32:51,660 --> 00:32:55,180 S2: the lame will walk and the blind will see, and 549 00:32:55,180 --> 00:32:58,300 S2: the deaf will hear. Uh, we get all that from 550 00:32:58,300 --> 00:33:00,620 S2: Isaiah 35. Now that's not yet fulfilled. That's in the 551 00:33:00,620 --> 00:33:05,020 S2: messianic kingdom. However, when the Messiah came, he gave us 552 00:33:05,020 --> 00:33:08,500 S2: a taste of that to point us to his identity. 553 00:33:08,740 --> 00:33:11,700 S2: And you could read about that, Mike Michaels, our expert 554 00:33:11,700 --> 00:33:15,780 S2: on Matthew, but I'm always impressed with Matthew eight and 555 00:33:15,780 --> 00:33:19,500 S2: nine with all the miracles the Lord does. And then 556 00:33:19,660 --> 00:33:23,540 S2: just a couple chapters later, John the Baptist sends his 557 00:33:23,540 --> 00:33:26,860 S2: disciples from jail. They are visiting him in jail, and 558 00:33:26,900 --> 00:33:28,660 S2: they go to the Lord and they ask, are you 559 00:33:28,660 --> 00:33:31,500 S2: the coming one or the promised one? Or should we 560 00:33:31,500 --> 00:33:35,260 S2: look for another one? Are you the coming one? And, uh, 561 00:33:35,900 --> 00:33:38,700 S2: and he, what does he do? He repeats all that 562 00:33:38,700 --> 00:33:42,060 S2: he was doing in Matthew eight and nine, and he says, 563 00:33:42,060 --> 00:33:47,500 S2: this is the evidence that I am the promised one. So, uh, yeah, 564 00:33:47,540 --> 00:33:51,100 S2: that that's I think those miracles were designed just as 565 00:33:51,100 --> 00:33:53,900 S2: in the Gospel of John to point people to who 566 00:33:53,900 --> 00:33:55,020 S2: Jesus really is. 567 00:33:55,340 --> 00:33:56,580 S1: Marilyn. Does that help? 568 00:33:57,980 --> 00:34:00,540 S7: Yes, sir. That helps. It helps a whole lot. I 569 00:34:00,580 --> 00:34:03,980 S7: just I was reading and I was just, you know, wondering, 570 00:34:04,180 --> 00:34:07,780 S7: you know, he started, uh, why he started at 30 571 00:34:07,780 --> 00:34:11,380 S7: years old, uh, doing his baptism, you know? 572 00:34:11,700 --> 00:34:12,100 S4: Yeah. 573 00:34:12,900 --> 00:34:15,310 S1: Well, I'm glad you got through today, Marilyn. You call 574 00:34:15,310 --> 00:34:18,830 S1: us back again. Love talking to you and love the question. 575 00:34:19,110 --> 00:34:22,390 S1: And now here's Tom in Ohio. Tom, you're on with 576 00:34:22,390 --> 00:34:23,310 S1: the two Michaels. 577 00:34:24,710 --> 00:34:27,910 S8: Hi, Chris. First of all, just a real quick, um, 578 00:34:27,950 --> 00:34:30,830 S8: for the 100th anniversary, I am a 70 year old 579 00:34:30,830 --> 00:34:34,950 S8: active pastor. I grew up listening to Bob Devine as 580 00:34:34,950 --> 00:34:38,470 S8: I got ready for school on w CRF, listened to 581 00:34:38,830 --> 00:34:42,710 S8: Sailor Sam and other afternoon programs in the afternoon. Yes, 582 00:34:42,750 --> 00:34:45,989 S8: but even more interesting, Mike Kellogg was one of my 583 00:34:45,989 --> 00:34:47,710 S8: youth leaders when I was a teenager. 584 00:34:47,750 --> 00:34:49,710 S4: Is he really? Wow. 585 00:34:49,910 --> 00:34:53,150 S8: And, uh, knew him and his wife very well. Here's 586 00:34:53,150 --> 00:34:53,830 S8: my question. 587 00:34:53,830 --> 00:34:56,350 S4: Wait, wait, I gotta say, Chuck, Chuck, Chuck. 588 00:34:56,350 --> 00:34:59,590 S2: Christiansen, who is Sailor Sam? He and I went to 589 00:34:59,630 --> 00:35:03,830 S2: the same congregation for years, and he was an elder 590 00:35:03,830 --> 00:35:05,270 S2: in that congregation. So. 591 00:35:05,310 --> 00:35:06,149 S1: Okay, so let me ask. 592 00:35:06,150 --> 00:35:07,190 S4: You this, Tom. Wonderful. 593 00:35:07,230 --> 00:35:09,510 S1: You don't have a copy of the book yet, do you? 594 00:35:10,430 --> 00:35:11,550 S8: No, I do not. 595 00:35:11,590 --> 00:35:13,790 S1: Okay. All right. So we're gonna you hang on after 596 00:35:13,880 --> 00:35:16,040 S1: you ask your question and we'll get your address. I 597 00:35:16,040 --> 00:35:18,520 S1: want to send this to you. You deserve a book. 598 00:35:18,560 --> 00:35:20,880 S1: This is Moody Radio. We're going to send it to 599 00:35:20,920 --> 00:35:24,600 S1: you there in Ohio. Now, your question for the two Michaels. 600 00:35:25,520 --> 00:35:29,480 S8: Sure. I was listening to Doctor Reynolds several weeks ago. 601 00:35:29,719 --> 00:35:33,920 S8: Questions came up about prophecy, eschatology. He gave great answers. 602 00:35:33,920 --> 00:35:37,839 S8: I agree with him completely. Here's my question. During the 603 00:35:37,840 --> 00:35:41,279 S8: Millennial Kingdom, many people will be born at the close. 604 00:35:41,480 --> 00:35:45,799 S8: Satan will be released. Final rebellion, God's judgment. But there 605 00:35:45,800 --> 00:35:51,000 S8: will still be living human believers on earth. Well, the 606 00:35:51,000 --> 00:35:53,120 S8: heavens and earth are going to be destroyed. There's going 607 00:35:53,160 --> 00:35:55,560 S8: to be a new heaven and new earth for eternity. 608 00:35:55,719 --> 00:36:00,800 S8: I have not read anywhere in Scripture or in theology books. 609 00:36:01,000 --> 00:36:05,120 S8: What happens to those living saints at the close of 610 00:36:05,120 --> 00:36:08,839 S8: the millennium? Is there a second rapture like translation that 611 00:36:08,840 --> 00:36:10,400 S8: they're given glorified bodies? 612 00:36:13,170 --> 00:36:15,690 S2: Well, Tom, if you were listening, I think when this 613 00:36:15,690 --> 00:36:19,690 S2: question came up on Open Line, I said, I presume 614 00:36:19,690 --> 00:36:25,290 S2: that there will be some sort of translation. Not a rapture, 615 00:36:25,290 --> 00:36:30,010 S2: but a a glorification that happens for them, uh, just 616 00:36:30,010 --> 00:36:32,649 S2: about the same time. Because after the millennium, that's when 617 00:36:32,650 --> 00:36:36,529 S2: there's the resurrection of the of those who don't know 618 00:36:36,570 --> 00:36:39,410 S2: the Lord and they're resurrected and they go to the 619 00:36:39,410 --> 00:36:42,649 S2: great White Throne judgment. And so it seems to me 620 00:36:42,650 --> 00:36:45,569 S2: that believers will need to be translated. They won't go 621 00:36:45,570 --> 00:36:47,930 S2: to that judgment. They don't go to the Great White 622 00:36:47,969 --> 00:36:51,370 S2: Throne Judgment, but they will be translated somehow to eternal 623 00:36:51,370 --> 00:36:53,490 S2: glorified bodies, wouldn't you say, Michael? 624 00:36:54,090 --> 00:36:57,490 S3: Yeah, I would agree 100%. It's it's not super clear 625 00:36:57,489 --> 00:37:00,569 S3: in Scripture exactly when that's going to happen, but it 626 00:37:00,570 --> 00:37:02,930 S3: must it has to. And it seems to me that 627 00:37:03,370 --> 00:37:06,890 S3: at that point, you know, a rapture where they're caught 628 00:37:06,890 --> 00:37:10,570 S3: up might not be necessary, that they are just, um, 629 00:37:10,580 --> 00:37:15,700 S3: Receive their transformed and glorified resurrected bodies right then and there. 630 00:37:15,700 --> 00:37:18,060 S3: But but the scriptures don't say much about it. 631 00:37:18,100 --> 00:37:18,339 S4: Doesn't. 632 00:37:18,340 --> 00:37:21,020 S2: Say anything about it that I can tell about that 633 00:37:21,020 --> 00:37:22,620 S2: specific group of believers. 634 00:37:22,940 --> 00:37:24,020 S4: Yeah. Does that help Tom? 635 00:37:25,100 --> 00:37:28,980 S8: Yeah, absolutely. I, I was agreeing with you. I don't 636 00:37:28,980 --> 00:37:32,260 S8: know anything from scripture. So it's just an assumption, but 637 00:37:32,620 --> 00:37:35,180 S8: the heavens and earth are going to be destroyed. So 638 00:37:35,180 --> 00:37:39,859 S8: they can't just remain. Something must change for them to 639 00:37:39,900 --> 00:37:42,900 S8: enter the new heavens and new earth, New Jerusalem. And 640 00:37:42,900 --> 00:37:45,620 S8: that's my assumption as well. There has to be some 641 00:37:45,620 --> 00:37:46,780 S8: kind of translation. 642 00:37:47,180 --> 00:37:47,580 S4: Yeah. 643 00:37:47,980 --> 00:37:49,900 S1: All right, Tom, you hang on. Trish is going to 644 00:37:49,900 --> 00:37:51,779 S1: get your information and we're going to send you a 645 00:37:51,780 --> 00:37:56,540 S1: copy of This is Moody Radio 100 years Proclaiming the gospel. 646 00:37:56,660 --> 00:37:59,180 S1: Thanks for listening through the years. And for those of 647 00:37:59,180 --> 00:38:01,980 S1: you who've listened for a long time or a short time, 648 00:38:02,260 --> 00:38:03,939 S1: it's a great thank you. If you give a gift 649 00:38:03,940 --> 00:38:06,339 S1: to to the program of any size, we're going to 650 00:38:06,340 --> 00:38:09,540 S1: send it to you. Find out more. Chris Fabry live.org. 651 00:38:09,910 --> 00:38:23,710 S1: Chris Fabry live.org. The two Michaels are with us again 652 00:38:23,710 --> 00:38:28,030 S1: today here in July. Isn't it great to have them? And, uh, 653 00:38:28,350 --> 00:38:30,310 S1: a lot of questions on Facebook. I'm going to ask 654 00:38:30,310 --> 00:38:33,310 S1: one of these. I have a question, Pamela says about 655 00:38:33,310 --> 00:38:37,509 S1: the end of Ephesians 612. Let me read it for 656 00:38:37,550 --> 00:38:41,350 S1: us in the CSB. For our battle is not against 657 00:38:41,350 --> 00:38:44,790 S1: flesh and blood, but against the rulers, against the authorities, 658 00:38:44,790 --> 00:38:47,989 S1: against the world powers of this darkness, against the spiritual 659 00:38:47,989 --> 00:38:51,710 S1: forces of evil in the heavens. And she says, what 660 00:38:51,710 --> 00:38:55,190 S1: are the spiritual forces of wickedness in the heavenly places? 661 00:38:55,230 --> 00:38:58,230 S1: What does that mean? How can wickedness be in a 662 00:38:58,230 --> 00:39:02,670 S1: heavenly place? Or what heavenly places is he referring to? 663 00:39:02,710 --> 00:39:05,390 S1: Could this be the church on earth now? Thanks for 664 00:39:05,390 --> 00:39:08,270 S1: the opportunity to ask the question. Michael, what do you 665 00:39:08,320 --> 00:39:10,680 S1: say again? 666 00:39:10,719 --> 00:39:10,919 S2: Mike. 667 00:39:11,080 --> 00:39:11,319 S4: Oh. 668 00:39:11,760 --> 00:39:16,440 S3: Yeah. Um, first of all, people say, well, God, God 669 00:39:16,440 --> 00:39:18,439 S3: can't be in the presence of evil. Well, if that's 670 00:39:18,440 --> 00:39:21,480 S3: the case, then that's really unfortunate, because guess what? I'm evil. 671 00:39:21,680 --> 00:39:23,439 S3: I have sin in my in my life, I still 672 00:39:23,440 --> 00:39:26,359 S3: have a fallen nature. And yet I believe that God 673 00:39:26,360 --> 00:39:31,040 S3: is with me. Um. Satan came before God in job 674 00:39:31,080 --> 00:39:34,160 S3: chapter one and chapter two and God, you know, entertained 675 00:39:34,160 --> 00:39:39,640 S3: questions from him. Um, and so God, God has never quite, um, 676 00:39:39,880 --> 00:39:43,879 S3: outside of anything and presence can be in his evil. 677 00:39:43,880 --> 00:39:47,400 S3: It doesn't mean he in any way approves it. Um, 678 00:39:47,920 --> 00:39:50,280 S3: what was the last part of the question? I'm sorry, 679 00:39:50,440 --> 00:39:51,239 S3: I just face it off. 680 00:39:51,280 --> 00:39:53,319 S2: I'm going to just jump in here, can I, about 681 00:39:53,360 --> 00:39:56,000 S2: the because how can they be in heaven? I think 682 00:39:56,000 --> 00:39:59,760 S2: it's talking about, uh, by the way, I agree exactly 683 00:39:59,760 --> 00:40:01,919 S2: with what you said there. People often say Satan can't 684 00:40:01,920 --> 00:40:05,200 S2: be in God's presence. Why not? God is not he's 685 00:40:05,200 --> 00:40:08,690 S2: not touched by evil, even if he's in the. And 686 00:40:08,690 --> 00:40:12,330 S2: if he indwells Mike Van Landingham, certainly he can indwell me, 687 00:40:12,370 --> 00:40:18,850 S2: you know. That's it. Okay. So, uh, here's the verse, though, 688 00:40:18,890 --> 00:40:21,690 S2: about what it's talking about, I think, is if you 689 00:40:21,690 --> 00:40:24,450 S2: go back, this will help explain it. In Daniel ten, 690 00:40:25,010 --> 00:40:30,049 S2: you've got the prince of Persia battling because an angel 691 00:40:30,210 --> 00:40:33,370 S2: is coming with a message for Daniel. And the prince 692 00:40:33,370 --> 00:40:37,770 S2: of Persia is, is they're involved in spiritual warfare. Well, 693 00:40:37,969 --> 00:40:41,009 S2: who is the Prince of Persia? It is an angel 694 00:40:41,489 --> 00:40:45,850 S2: that has. Or a fallen angel, a demon that is 695 00:40:45,850 --> 00:40:51,250 S2: associated with the principality of Persia and trying to keep 696 00:40:51,570 --> 00:40:57,489 S2: the divine messenger from God, from getting to Daniel. And 697 00:40:57,489 --> 00:41:03,529 S2: then the messenger says to him, uh, that he that 698 00:41:03,530 --> 00:41:05,890 S2: he was trying to get to him for 21 days. 699 00:41:05,980 --> 00:41:08,500 S2: Verse 13, the prince of the kingdom of Persia opposed 700 00:41:08,500 --> 00:41:11,300 S2: me for 21 days. Then Michael, one of the chief 701 00:41:11,300 --> 00:41:16,460 S2: princes of Israel, again, an angel that is battling for 702 00:41:16,820 --> 00:41:23,220 S2: spiritual messages and power, uh, taking place in the heavenlies 703 00:41:23,820 --> 00:41:28,700 S2: between the Prince of Persia, this other angel, Michael, and 704 00:41:28,820 --> 00:41:30,419 S2: he came to help me after I had been left 705 00:41:30,420 --> 00:41:32,979 S2: there with the kings of Persia. And I have come 706 00:41:32,980 --> 00:41:35,420 S2: to help you understand what will happen to your people 707 00:41:35,420 --> 00:41:38,580 S2: in the last days for the vision reversal essays. I 708 00:41:38,580 --> 00:41:41,140 S2: think that's what it's talking about, that there are demonic 709 00:41:41,140 --> 00:41:48,219 S2: powers associated with principalities, and there are angelic powers also 710 00:41:48,420 --> 00:41:52,180 S2: associated with it, and they are in conflict with one another. 711 00:41:52,180 --> 00:41:54,860 S2: We can't see it. It's spiritual warfare, just like Daniel 712 00:41:54,860 --> 00:41:55,820 S2: couldn't see it. 713 00:41:55,820 --> 00:41:56,739 S4: I'm so glad you asked. 714 00:41:56,739 --> 00:42:00,660 S1: That question, Pamela. Thank you. Here's Warren in Illinois. Warren, 715 00:42:00,660 --> 00:42:02,020 S1: you're on with the two Michaels. 716 00:42:02,860 --> 00:42:06,750 S9: Yes. Thank you to Michael. So I grew up in 717 00:42:06,750 --> 00:42:09,910 S9: southern Africa in a very religious family that was very 718 00:42:09,950 --> 00:42:13,830 S9: that had reverence for Israel. But the kids that I'm 719 00:42:13,870 --> 00:42:19,070 S9: raising here are departing sharply. They. Them and their friends 720 00:42:19,070 --> 00:42:24,709 S9: are departing sharply from Israel. Uh, they bring, uh, in 721 00:42:24,710 --> 00:42:28,750 S9: our debates, uh, when I tell them this is more spiritual. 722 00:42:29,030 --> 00:42:32,190 S9: This is they are the sort of facts they bring 723 00:42:32,230 --> 00:42:35,629 S9: to me. Dad, what do you think about settlements? Do 724 00:42:35,630 --> 00:42:39,830 S9: you think, uh, the Palestinians deserve a home of their own, 725 00:42:39,830 --> 00:42:43,430 S9: or the settlements are okay with you? Do you think 726 00:42:43,430 --> 00:42:47,630 S9: it's okay when, um, a terrorist runs into an apartment 727 00:42:47,630 --> 00:42:52,310 S9: building and the IDF blows that building? Uh, the countless 728 00:42:52,310 --> 00:42:58,670 S9: videos online that show that now, um, how do we, uh, 729 00:42:59,030 --> 00:43:03,510 S9: talk to our children about the reality of, uh, such 730 00:43:03,510 --> 00:43:08,510 S9: a conflict without, uh, giving Israel a free pass because 731 00:43:08,550 --> 00:43:12,790 S9: obviously it's doing a lot of things wrong if, uh. 732 00:43:13,590 --> 00:43:15,029 S4: Wait, is that so obvious? 733 00:43:16,590 --> 00:43:19,750 S9: Well, it's obvious to our kids because they're not just 734 00:43:19,750 --> 00:43:23,710 S9: looking at this spiritually. Uh, they're looking at kids who 735 00:43:23,750 --> 00:43:27,790 S9: say the entire school has died. So even if the 736 00:43:27,790 --> 00:43:29,910 S9: school is going to be opened, all the kids are dead. 737 00:43:30,190 --> 00:43:32,629 S4: Okay, well, we got a couple minutes left here. 738 00:43:32,630 --> 00:43:33,910 S1: So let me get Michael in. Go ahead. 739 00:43:33,910 --> 00:43:34,390 S4: Michael. 740 00:43:34,430 --> 00:43:37,390 S2: Okay. First of all, your kids are getting the information 741 00:43:37,390 --> 00:43:42,229 S2: from places like TikTok, and that's not exactly giving them 742 00:43:42,230 --> 00:43:46,069 S2: accurate information. Very often, the videos that you see of 743 00:43:46,110 --> 00:43:51,350 S2: the schools with the with the horrific pictures of dead children, 744 00:43:51,350 --> 00:43:56,910 S2: they're taken from other conflicts and imposed and saying it's Gaza. Uh, 745 00:43:56,910 --> 00:44:01,990 S2: very often that was the case with the Syrian war. Uh, also, uh, 746 00:44:02,360 --> 00:44:06,200 S2: very often when a terrorist, for example, runs into a building, 747 00:44:06,239 --> 00:44:09,960 S2: as you said, and Israel destroys it, that's after Israel 748 00:44:09,960 --> 00:44:14,040 S2: has already tried to evacuate all civilians from that area, 749 00:44:14,920 --> 00:44:16,880 S2: which a lot of people aren't aware of, and now 750 00:44:16,880 --> 00:44:20,360 S2: they are not 100% successful. But they try. They drop leaflets, 751 00:44:20,360 --> 00:44:27,080 S2: they make phone calls. They they give. They send text 752 00:44:27,080 --> 00:44:31,320 S2: messages to try to get people out of those circumstances 753 00:44:31,320 --> 00:44:33,839 S2: so that when the terrorist runs into the building, it's 754 00:44:33,840 --> 00:44:38,880 S2: not filled with civilians as people are being led to believe. Uh, 755 00:44:39,640 --> 00:44:44,120 S2: war is a horrible, ugly thing, but it's, it's not 756 00:44:44,120 --> 00:44:49,360 S2: an intention on the part of the Israel Defense Forces. Generally, 757 00:44:49,360 --> 00:44:52,320 S2: I would say, you know, of course there's always a 758 00:44:52,360 --> 00:44:56,799 S2: rogue soldier here or there, but the general point is 759 00:44:56,960 --> 00:45:00,320 S2: that they are looking to preserve civilian life and only 760 00:45:00,320 --> 00:45:04,650 S2: deal with combatants and the. The example I would give 761 00:45:04,690 --> 00:45:08,930 S2: is a former student of mine who is a tank 762 00:45:08,930 --> 00:45:11,609 S2: commander in the Israel Defense Forces. He was called out 763 00:45:11,610 --> 00:45:13,730 S2: of mood. He had to go to war. And he 764 00:45:13,730 --> 00:45:18,450 S2: told me multiple times when he had a terrorist group 765 00:45:18,650 --> 00:45:23,250 S2: in his sights, he would, uh, he would withdraw because 766 00:45:23,250 --> 00:45:25,690 S2: he thought there were civilians nearby. And he wouldn't he 767 00:45:25,690 --> 00:45:28,650 S2: wouldn't shoot. And and that was because he wanted to 768 00:45:28,650 --> 00:45:32,370 S2: preserve civilian life at his own risk. I encourage you 769 00:45:32,370 --> 00:45:34,290 S2: to get that book. Uh, we'll send it to you, 770 00:45:34,290 --> 00:45:35,570 S2: if that's okay. Go ahead. Mike. 771 00:45:35,610 --> 00:45:36,050 S4: Yeah. 772 00:45:36,210 --> 00:45:39,410 S2: The book I mentioned is how should Christians Think about Israel? 773 00:45:41,210 --> 00:45:43,930 S3: So let me also invoke somebody that Michael and I 774 00:45:43,930 --> 00:45:47,890 S3: both know. His name's Seth Rudnick, who made Aliyah, served 775 00:45:47,890 --> 00:45:52,810 S3: in the IDF and speaks repeatedly of how intensely they 776 00:45:52,810 --> 00:45:58,290 S3: were trained on, uh, avoiding, uh, collateral damage, if I 777 00:45:58,290 --> 00:46:00,100 S3: can put it that way. I mean, it comes right 778 00:46:00,100 --> 00:46:02,540 S3: from the horse's mouth. Yeah. 779 00:46:02,820 --> 00:46:05,740 S1: Michael. Michael. Thank you. It's been a good hour. Warren. 780 00:46:05,739 --> 00:46:08,259 S1: Hang on. We'll get your information and send you a 781 00:46:08,260 --> 00:46:10,420 S1: copy of that book. We have it linked at the website. 782 00:46:10,420 --> 00:46:14,860 S1: Chris Fabry live.org. How should Christians think about Israel? By 783 00:46:14,900 --> 00:46:17,940 S1: Doctor Michael Redlich. You can see that again if you 784 00:46:17,940 --> 00:46:21,700 S1: go to chris.org. The hour flew by. Gentlemen, you got 785 00:46:21,700 --> 00:46:24,460 S1: to come back. We've got some dates in August and 786 00:46:24,460 --> 00:46:28,900 S1: then September. So we'll see you then. Michael, of much 787 00:46:28,900 --> 00:46:31,940 S1: success to your back now after all that limestone. 788 00:46:32,100 --> 00:46:32,420 S4: Yeah. 789 00:46:32,460 --> 00:46:33,260 S3: Thank you. 790 00:46:33,300 --> 00:46:33,780 S1: We'll get. 791 00:46:33,820 --> 00:46:34,060 S4: Some. 792 00:46:34,100 --> 00:46:35,420 S2: Tylenol is your friend. 793 00:46:36,219 --> 00:46:36,939 S3: It is my friend. 794 00:46:36,980 --> 00:46:39,020 S1: Come back and see us tomorrow. We're going to talk 795 00:46:39,020 --> 00:46:41,900 S1: about radio lessons and memories. Oh, this is going to 796 00:46:41,900 --> 00:46:43,980 S1: be an awful lot of fun here at the Radio 797 00:46:43,980 --> 00:46:46,979 S1: Backyard Fence. Hope you'll join us for Chris Fabry live 798 00:46:46,980 --> 00:46:51,060 S1: production of Moody Radio, Ministry of Moody Bible Institute online. 799 00:46:51,060 --> 00:46:52,820 S1: Chris Fabry live.org.