WEBVTT - Hour 1: The Transforming Gospel 0:00:08.360 --> 0:00:13.880 Why should Christians care about the Jewish people? More specifically, 0:00:14.450 --> 0:00:17.870 why does Moody Bible Institute have such a long legacy 0:00:17.870 --> 0:00:22.460 of opposing anti-Semitism? Stay with me and we'll talk about 0:00:22.460 --> 0:00:26.360 that in just a moment. Hello, friends. Welcome to Open 0:00:26.360 --> 0:00:29.750 Line with me, Michael Reidel. Nick, this is Moody Radio's 0:00:29.750 --> 0:00:34.220 Bible study across America. As I said, I'm Michael Ray Dolnick. 0:00:34.220 --> 0:00:37.160 I'm professor of Jewish studies and Bible, as well as 0:00:37.190 --> 0:00:40.850 academic dean here at Moody Bible Institute. And I'm so 0:00:40.850 --> 0:00:43.550 glad to be with you. Sitting around the radio kitchen 0:00:43.550 --> 0:00:47.330 table where we're going to talk about your questions about 0:00:47.330 --> 0:00:50.240 the Bible, God and the spiritual life. 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Now hopefully if you listen to Open Line 0:01:48.720 --> 0:01:53.040 for the last few weeks, maybe a couple months, you will. 0:01:53.070 --> 0:01:56.640 You're already aware that Moody Bible Institute is holding a 0:01:56.670 --> 0:02:01.570 summit opposing Posing anti-Semitism right here at Moody in Chicago 0:02:01.570 --> 0:02:05.110 on November 9th. I've been telling people that we're doing 0:02:05.110 --> 0:02:07.960 this because of our long legacy at Moody, of standing 0:02:07.960 --> 0:02:12.040 with the Jewish community. How so? Well, in the 1930s, 0:02:12.100 --> 0:02:16.630 Moody Monthly magazine had editorials condemning the growing persecution of 0:02:16.630 --> 0:02:20.680 Jewish people in Nazi Germany in the 1970s, when the 0:02:20.680 --> 0:02:26.530 neo-Nazis wanted to march in the Jewish community of Skokie, Illinois. 0:02:26.590 --> 0:02:31.120 Moody Bible Institute took out full page ads, standing with 0:02:31.120 --> 0:02:35.109 the Jewish community and opposing this kind of anti-Semitic action 0:02:35.110 --> 0:02:38.740 right in the big Chicago papers. That's what we did. 0:02:39.610 --> 0:02:43.330 And now, with hatred of the Jewish people surging around 0:02:43.330 --> 0:02:46.600 the world, and particularly here in the US, we've called 0:02:46.600 --> 0:02:50.980 a summit opposing anti-Semitism to help followers of Jesus become 0:02:50.980 --> 0:02:55.240 the first line of defense of our Jewish friends and neighbors. 0:02:55.240 --> 0:02:58.960 The real question is, why is this so important to 0:02:58.990 --> 0:03:01.690 Moody Bible Institute? It's not just me, it's Moody Bible 0:03:01.690 --> 0:03:06.670 Institute that cares about this. And well, the answer to 0:03:06.700 --> 0:03:10.540 the question of why is that? At Moody Bible Institute, 0:03:10.570 --> 0:03:15.100 we want to always reflect the heart of God. Here's 0:03:15.100 --> 0:03:18.130 what the scriptures say about God's heart for the Jewish people. 0:03:18.130 --> 0:03:21.670 And I'm going to cite some passages that use the 0:03:21.669 --> 0:03:26.800 term Israel. And the term that's used in these passages 0:03:26.830 --> 0:03:30.850 is much broader than just the political nation state in 0:03:30.850 --> 0:03:34.000 the Middle East. It's used of the people of Israel 0:03:34.000 --> 0:03:38.470 anywhere they might be today. It's synonymous. When we talk 0:03:38.500 --> 0:03:43.330 about Israel in these passages, it's synonymous with the Jewish people. 0:03:43.330 --> 0:03:48.430 So what does God say about the Jewish people? Well, 0:03:48.460 --> 0:03:52.990 first of all, God has given the Jewish people priority 0:03:53.020 --> 0:03:58.460 among the nations. God calls Israel his firstborn, first born 0:03:58.460 --> 0:04:04.190 in Exodus 422 it says, and you will say to Pharaoh, 0:04:04.220 --> 0:04:09.830 this is what the Lord says. Israel is my firstborn son. 0:04:10.010 --> 0:04:15.470 This isn't referring to chronology, because Israel wasn't the first Nation. 0:04:15.650 --> 0:04:19.820 The Holman Bible Dictionary points out that the expression is 0:04:19.820 --> 0:04:26.300 figurative for first priority. If the Jewish people remain a 0:04:26.300 --> 0:04:31.460 priority to God, they should also be a priority for us. Second, 0:04:31.490 --> 0:04:36.620 God loves the Jewish people forever. In Jeremiah 31 three, 0:04:36.650 --> 0:04:40.460 God says to Israel, I have loved you with an 0:04:40.460 --> 0:04:45.170 everlasting love. Therefore I have continued to extend faithful love 0:04:45.170 --> 0:04:49.730 to you. This passage uses the Hebrew word which means 0:04:49.730 --> 0:04:54.210 loyal love. It means unconditional love. It's similar to what 0:04:54.210 --> 0:04:57.510 I would tell my sons when they were well. I 0:04:57.510 --> 0:04:59.730 still tell them they're fully adult now, but I still 0:04:59.730 --> 0:05:01.830 tell them. And I told them this very often when 0:05:01.830 --> 0:05:05.700 they were children. I love you no matter what you do. 0:05:05.700 --> 0:05:08.130 And sometimes I got a little annoying by reminding them 0:05:08.130 --> 0:05:13.620 of that all the time. It was unconditional. And, uh, 0:05:13.620 --> 0:05:15.690 the way I kind of lightened it up is I 0:05:15.690 --> 0:05:17.370 would tell them, no matter what you do, even if 0:05:17.370 --> 0:05:19.830 you break everything I've taught you and rooted for the 0:05:19.830 --> 0:05:23.370 Red Sox, I still love you. Well, the truth of 0:05:23.370 --> 0:05:25.620 it is, no matter what they will do or could 0:05:25.650 --> 0:05:28.950 have done, I will love them. And it's not just 0:05:28.950 --> 0:05:33.630 about what team you root for. I love them faithfully, loyally. 0:05:33.630 --> 0:05:37.590 That's my obligation from God. And that's what God says 0:05:37.589 --> 0:05:41.970 about his love for Israel. It is his faithful, loyal love, 0:05:42.000 --> 0:05:46.560 no matter what Israel does. So God gives the Jewish 0:05:46.560 --> 0:05:50.130 people a priority. He loves Jewish people. Third, God calls 0:05:50.130 --> 0:05:55.250 the Jewish people his chosen servant. In Isaiah 41 eight, 0:05:55.279 --> 0:06:01.969 God describes Israel like this but you, Israel, my servant Jacob, 0:06:01.970 --> 0:06:04.700 whom I have chosen in verse nine he goes on 0:06:04.730 --> 0:06:07.640 to say, you are my servant. I have chosen you 0:06:07.640 --> 0:06:12.140 and not rejected you. God still has a special plan 0:06:12.140 --> 0:06:15.140 for the Jewish people, which they have yet to fulfill completely. 0:06:15.140 --> 0:06:20.000 But God has a plan for his servant Israel. Now 0:06:20.000 --> 0:06:24.050 I can hear the objections. Israel didn't believe in Jesus 0:06:24.050 --> 0:06:28.910 when he came, so God made the term Israel broader. 0:06:28.940 --> 0:06:32.330 It now refers not to the Jewish people, the descendants 0:06:32.330 --> 0:06:36.800 of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, but now it refers to 0:06:36.830 --> 0:06:40.760 all followers of Jesus, Jewish or Gentile, the church, the 0:06:40.760 --> 0:06:48.560 new Israel. Uh, nah. Read Romans 1128 and 29. It 0:06:48.560 --> 0:06:52.130 recognizes Jewish people are opposed to the gospel. It says, 0:06:52.130 --> 0:06:54.529 from the standpoint of the gospel, there are enemies for 0:06:54.529 --> 0:06:57.680 your sake, not enemies of God, enemies to those proclaiming 0:06:57.680 --> 0:07:00.920 the gospel. Uh, it's a strong term. They were opposed 0:07:00.920 --> 0:07:05.930 to the gospel. But from the standpoint of God's choice, 0:07:06.170 --> 0:07:09.380 there's that term again, the chosen people. From the standpoint 0:07:09.380 --> 0:07:13.100 of God's choice, they are beloved for the sake of 0:07:13.100 --> 0:07:18.980 the fathers. Because of the Abrahamic covenant, God remains faithful 0:07:19.010 --> 0:07:22.370 to the Jewish people. They are beloved, for the gifts 0:07:22.370 --> 0:07:28.580 and calling of God are irrevocable. Jewish people, despite not 0:07:28.580 --> 0:07:35.810 believing the gospel, remained chosen, beloved, and called to serve God. 0:07:36.920 --> 0:07:41.270 Now how should that affect us, the followers of Jesus? Well, 0:07:41.300 --> 0:07:43.190 first of all, we need to keep bringing the good 0:07:43.190 --> 0:07:45.950 news to Jewish people so they can come to know 0:07:45.950 --> 0:07:50.640 him and experience his wonderful forgiveness. But we also need 0:07:50.640 --> 0:07:56.220 to openly express our love for this people whom God loves. 0:07:56.220 --> 0:07:59.190 We need to care for whom God cares for. We 0:07:59.190 --> 0:08:03.420 need to stand for those people because of our concern 0:08:03.420 --> 0:08:06.300 for God's heart. It's why we need to stand with 0:08:06.300 --> 0:08:11.400 the Jewish people and oppose anti-Semitism. Because God loves the 0:08:11.400 --> 0:08:17.130 Jewish people and opposes anti-Semitism. Please join us here in 0:08:17.130 --> 0:08:23.160 Chicago on November 9th for this historic summit opposing anti-Semitism. 0:08:23.160 --> 0:08:26.429 You can go to Open Line radio.org, click on the 0:08:26.430 --> 0:08:31.110 banner about the summit and then come here, sign up. 0:08:31.110 --> 0:08:34.109 Let the Jewish community know that followers of Jesus are 0:08:34.110 --> 0:08:38.580 taking our stand as the first line of defense of 0:08:38.580 --> 0:08:49.710 God's beloved Jewish people. Well, we're going to go to 0:08:49.740 --> 0:08:53.880 the phones right now. Uh, God. God wants us to 0:08:53.880 --> 0:08:55.589 have a heart for Jewish people. And it sounds like 0:08:55.590 --> 0:08:57.810 something that I said spurred a question. So we're going 0:08:57.840 --> 0:09:02.700 to speak with Bill in Urbana, Ohio, listening on the 0:09:02.700 --> 0:09:05.100 Moody Radio app. Welcome to Open Line. Bill. How can 0:09:05.100 --> 0:09:06.179 I help you today? 0:09:06.690 --> 0:09:10.950 Hi, Michael. Thank you for taking my call. Um, so, 0:09:11.160 --> 0:09:14.729 you know, as we go as Christians, we believe we've 0:09:14.730 --> 0:09:18.720 been forgiven of our sins. So God doesn't punish us 0:09:18.720 --> 0:09:22.740 when we sin. Our sin is punishment of itself, but 0:09:22.740 --> 0:09:26.550 for nations. So, for instance, as we look at the 0:09:26.550 --> 0:09:31.319 United States, as we see many times, we've turned away 0:09:31.590 --> 0:09:37.650 and not followed God, does he punish nations for sins 0:09:37.650 --> 0:09:39.870 or does he? In other words, does he? Does he 0:09:39.900 --> 0:09:42.810 deal differently with nations as opposed to individuals? 0:09:42.960 --> 0:09:48.070 Well, first of all, God does discipline us As individuals. 0:09:48.070 --> 0:09:51.490 We you know, there you're right. There is no punishment 0:09:51.490 --> 0:09:55.900 for followers of Jesus. There is no condemnation for those 0:09:55.900 --> 0:09:57.970 of us who have put our trust in the good 0:09:57.970 --> 0:10:02.470 news that Jesus died for us and rose again. No punishment. 0:10:02.470 --> 0:10:05.949 There will never be punitive action taken by God against us, 0:10:05.950 --> 0:10:09.940 but he will correct us. He will teach us. Sometimes 0:10:09.940 --> 0:10:13.150 it's hard, the discipline that we have to go through. 0:10:13.150 --> 0:10:17.679 But so let's. I like to distinguish between punishment and discipline. 0:10:17.679 --> 0:10:20.050 We're never going to be punished, as you say, Bill, 0:10:20.080 --> 0:10:24.730 but we will be corrected sometimes, not even with a problem. 0:10:24.730 --> 0:10:27.429 He just wants us to walk closer and he'll. Because 0:10:27.429 --> 0:10:32.290 discipline really just means discipling, uh, teaching us, uh, helping 0:10:32.290 --> 0:10:36.189 us to follow more closely. So that's that's the beginning 0:10:36.190 --> 0:10:38.350 in terms of nations, you know, we know that God 0:10:38.350 --> 0:10:44.140 was going to destroy, uh, Nineveh. Yet, remember, Jonah had 0:10:44.140 --> 0:10:48.080 to go sure. And proclaim. Yet 40 days and Nineveh 0:10:48.080 --> 0:10:52.160 will be destroyed. Uh, God disciplined Israel. In fact, it 0:10:52.160 --> 0:10:57.050 says in Isaiah 40 that she received, uh, double. But 0:10:57.050 --> 0:11:02.300 that was discipline, but double for her sins. Uh, God 0:11:02.300 --> 0:11:07.970 forgave Nineveh when they repented. All that's true. I think 0:11:07.970 --> 0:11:12.950 the problem is that, uh, as we turn further away 0:11:12.950 --> 0:11:18.650 from God, the likelihood of consequences for any nation, whether 0:11:18.650 --> 0:11:26.689 it's Europe or anywhere, the consequences, um, become closer and closer. 0:11:26.690 --> 0:11:30.980 But I can't speak categorically as to when or how, 0:11:30.980 --> 0:11:34.580 and I always found it problematic when, you know, some 0:11:34.580 --> 0:11:38.720 TV preacher will say, oh, the hurricane came and struck 0:11:38.720 --> 0:11:42.290 Florida because somehow Florida was sinful, or that nine over 0:11:42.290 --> 0:11:46.320 11 happened because of our sin, you know. Right. I 0:11:46.320 --> 0:11:49.290 don't think we can. I don't want to become job's friends, 0:11:49.320 --> 0:11:53.579 you know. To. To nations. Uh, I think. Why don't 0:11:53.580 --> 0:11:56.940 we just pray for our nation and for all the 0:11:56.940 --> 0:12:00.930 nations to open their hearts to the Lord? And. And 0:12:00.929 --> 0:12:03.930 I'm praying for revival. And let me tell you something. 0:12:03.929 --> 0:12:07.500 The further we get away from God, the greater opportunity 0:12:07.500 --> 0:12:12.300 there is for revival. Uh, I'm. I'm seeing it. Young 0:12:12.300 --> 0:12:16.500 people are becoming much more tender to things of the Lord. 0:12:16.500 --> 0:12:20.310 And I think it's important that we keep praying for 0:12:20.309 --> 0:12:23.250 our nation, that there that there will be open hearts 0:12:23.250 --> 0:12:25.860 and that people will come to know him. So I 0:12:25.860 --> 0:12:28.199 know that there are some believers praying for judgment. I'm 0:12:28.200 --> 0:12:29.730 praying for repentance. 0:12:29.730 --> 0:12:30.990 So Amen. 0:12:31.020 --> 0:12:31.980 Okay, Bill. 0:12:32.640 --> 0:12:34.079 Absolutely. 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So, uh, if you'd 0:17:21.609 --> 0:17:25.540 like to give your gift or more specifically, become a 0:17:25.540 --> 0:17:32.710 kitchen table partner, go to Open Line radio.org or call (888) 644-7122. 0:17:32.740 --> 0:17:36.590 So appreciate it. Grateful that you'd even consider this. We're 0:17:36.590 --> 0:17:40.700 going to talk to Linda in Chicago listening on Wmbi. 0:17:40.730 --> 0:17:42.890 Welcome to Open Line, Linda. How can I help you? 0:17:42.920 --> 0:17:48.560 Good morning. Hi. Good morning. Thank you. I'm confused because 0:17:48.560 --> 0:17:52.790 throughout the Bible, many times we're exhorted to praise the 0:17:52.790 --> 0:17:55.910 name of God or praise the name of Jesus. And 0:17:55.910 --> 0:17:59.689 it just seems like that doesn't really encompass all God is. 0:17:59.720 --> 0:18:02.209 Why just limit it to the name? Why mention the 0:18:02.210 --> 0:18:05.180 name at all? Why not just praise God, praise Jesus? 0:18:05.210 --> 0:18:09.350 Well, I think that's just a literary device to say, 0:18:09.350 --> 0:18:17.540 because the name is to encompass the character of God. So, uh, Yahweh, 0:18:18.440 --> 0:18:21.380 the name of God in the Old Testament that we 0:18:21.380 --> 0:18:24.740 see all those times, you see the word Lord written with, 0:18:24.770 --> 0:18:29.450 with small caps, you know, capital L and then small caps. Audie, 0:18:29.780 --> 0:18:35.639 that's actually Yahweh and that's his name. And it means 0:18:35.640 --> 0:18:39.570 the eternal one, basically. And so praise the Eternal One 0:18:39.570 --> 0:18:41.910 is what it's saying when it says praise the name 0:18:41.910 --> 0:18:44.580 of the Lord or the name of God. And then 0:18:44.580 --> 0:18:47.970 the same thing. Praise the name of Jesus. Uh, what 0:18:48.000 --> 0:18:51.780 are we doing? We're praising the one who is our salvation. 0:18:51.780 --> 0:18:55.920 His name and bodies. Who he is. And so it's 0:18:55.920 --> 0:18:59.790 just a literary device to say the name encompasses who 0:18:59.820 --> 0:19:03.810 the person is, and that's why we should be praising them. 0:19:04.260 --> 0:19:07.470 Is that clear to you? Is that okay? 0:19:08.760 --> 0:19:11.610 Thank you. Yeah. It is. I, um. 0:19:12.150 --> 0:19:15.479 I know I see that that on your questionnaire. I'm 0:19:15.480 --> 0:19:18.570 reading your question now that songs do this. Yeah. That's 0:19:18.600 --> 0:19:21.240 a good, you know, praise the name of Jesus. There's 0:19:21.240 --> 0:19:24.360 songs like that. It's it's because the name embodies it. 0:19:24.359 --> 0:19:27.090 Says it's sort of like acts four where it says 0:19:27.090 --> 0:19:30.270 there is salvation in no other name. Well, it really 0:19:30.270 --> 0:19:36.520 means in no other person, but the name embodies that person. Okay. Yeah. 0:19:36.730 --> 0:19:39.550 It just seems like it's one step removed, but thank you. 0:19:39.550 --> 0:19:42.369 I appreciate the examples you've given. I've written them down. Okay. 0:19:42.400 --> 0:19:44.080 Thank you so much for your program. Sure. 0:19:44.080 --> 0:19:47.560 Thank you for calling, Linda. Really appreciate it. Sure. Uh, 0:19:47.560 --> 0:19:50.980 we're going to speak with Benita in Cicero, Illinois, listening 0:19:50.980 --> 0:19:54.610 on our flagship WNYC. Welcome to Open Line, Benita. How 0:19:54.609 --> 0:19:55.600 can I help you? 0:19:56.590 --> 0:20:01.090 Good morning, Doctor Redlich. Um, my grandson is nine years old. 0:20:01.119 --> 0:20:03.520 His name is Isaac. Has a question that I don't 0:20:03.550 --> 0:20:07.600 know how to answer. Do animals have a soul? And 0:20:07.600 --> 0:20:09.550 do they go to heaven when they die? 0:20:09.700 --> 0:20:14.560 Well, animals have a neshama. Uh, that's the Hebrew word. 0:20:14.560 --> 0:20:18.700 It means life. And obviously animals have life. And so 0:20:18.700 --> 0:20:22.600 sometimes the word neshama is translated soul, but not, uh, 0:20:22.990 --> 0:20:25.359 you know, there's these words that are used in the 0:20:25.359 --> 0:20:31.060 Bible soul, spirit, mind, heart, all these different words. And 0:20:31.060 --> 0:20:34.550 I like to call it that immaterial, eternal part of humanity. 0:20:34.580 --> 0:20:40.670 Do animals have that? I don't know. Uh, it's. You know. 0:20:40.700 --> 0:20:43.340 Are you asking me? Does every ant that you might 0:20:43.340 --> 0:20:51.470 step on, does it have an eternal, immortal? Uh, not eternal, 0:20:51.470 --> 0:20:59.659 but immortal. Immaterial part. Um, I'm. I'm skeptical of that. 0:20:59.690 --> 0:21:02.210 I do see that in the new heavens and new earth. 0:21:02.210 --> 0:21:05.750 There will be animals in Scripture. It says that. And 0:21:05.750 --> 0:21:10.190 if that's the case, then will they be new, newly created, 0:21:10.190 --> 0:21:13.130 or newly born animals that will be there? Or are 0:21:13.130 --> 0:21:17.659 they resurrected animals? Uh, you know, I don't want to 0:21:17.660 --> 0:21:21.080 say no. Uh, I think I'm just going to leave 0:21:21.080 --> 0:21:23.420 that one up to God. I like what Don Cole, 0:21:23.450 --> 0:21:25.820 who used to be the host of Open Line for many, 0:21:25.820 --> 0:21:28.340 many years now with the Lord. He used to say, well, 0:21:28.340 --> 0:21:32.000 when you when we get to heaven And we we 0:21:32.000 --> 0:21:37.130 see the Lord. Uh, we may see, obviously, we'll see 0:21:37.130 --> 0:21:40.010 our loved ones, but maybe we'll see our beloved pets. 0:21:40.040 --> 0:21:42.740 Maybe just give a whistle, see who comes running. We'll 0:21:42.740 --> 0:21:47.270 just never know. Uh, but at this one, I'm going 0:21:47.270 --> 0:21:53.060 to mostly plead agnostic. I just don't know. Okay. 0:21:53.600 --> 0:21:55.490 Thank you so much, Doctor Melnick. 0:21:55.520 --> 0:21:58.189 Okay. Glad for your call. Thank you for that. We're 0:21:58.190 --> 0:22:01.100 going to speak with Dennis in Indianapolis, Indiana. Listening on 0:22:01.100 --> 0:22:05.000 WGN are welcome to Open Line. How can I help you, Dennis? 0:22:05.330 --> 0:22:09.500 Thank you. Um, my question is, do we have prophets 0:22:09.500 --> 0:22:13.640 in our world today like they did in biblical times? 0:22:14.030 --> 0:22:15.680 What are you trying to do? Get me to walk 0:22:15.680 --> 0:22:18.020 on landmines here? Is that what you're doing? 0:22:20.450 --> 0:22:22.040 No, not at all. 0:22:22.070 --> 0:22:26.810 Uh, every time this question comes up, uh, there are 0:22:26.840 --> 0:22:30.690 there are people, brothers and sisters whom I love, who 0:22:30.690 --> 0:22:32.790 get mad at me. And they write letters and they 0:22:32.820 --> 0:22:34.710 want they write to the president of Moody and said, 0:22:34.740 --> 0:22:39.179 take this guy off the air. And let me just say, 0:22:39.960 --> 0:22:42.450 let's just there are people who will agree with me 0:22:42.450 --> 0:22:46.170 and people who will disagree with me. We can still 0:22:46.170 --> 0:22:50.640 love each other. Okay. This is not a good guy. Yeah. Okay. 0:22:50.640 --> 0:22:53.550 So I didn't mean to. No, no, I know you 0:22:53.550 --> 0:22:57.330 didn't mean anything. Dennis. That's totally fine. It's fine. You 0:22:57.330 --> 0:22:59.490 know what it is? It's just that people get mad 0:22:59.490 --> 0:23:01.830 at me about this. I'm surprised it gets so hot 0:23:01.830 --> 0:23:03.419 about it, but. 0:23:03.450 --> 0:23:06.629 Oh, wow. I didn't realize that. I am sorry to 0:23:06.660 --> 0:23:07.260 hear that. 0:23:07.290 --> 0:23:10.170 No. Well, it's not you. I don't expect that of you. 0:23:10.170 --> 0:23:12.750 It's just that I'm always amazed about the letters I get. 0:23:12.750 --> 0:23:14.369 So let me just tell you what the answer is. 0:23:14.730 --> 0:23:16.320 First of all, the first answer is we're not going 0:23:16.350 --> 0:23:19.500 to get mad at each other about this. We're. If 0:23:19.500 --> 0:23:23.490 you're listening, uh, we're just going to say people can 0:23:23.490 --> 0:23:25.859 follow the scriptures and try to understand it with the 0:23:25.859 --> 0:23:29.439 best conscience they have. And if you feel differently, God 0:23:29.440 --> 0:23:33.370 bless you. It's okay. Uh, the second thing is, when 0:23:33.369 --> 0:23:37.600 I look at Scripture, it says that the church is 0:23:37.600 --> 0:23:41.020 built upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets. And 0:23:41.020 --> 0:23:45.010 it's talking there about New Testament prophets. Uh, the reason 0:23:45.010 --> 0:23:47.979 I know that, because that's in Ephesians 220. Then in 0:23:47.980 --> 0:23:52.419 the next chapter, it talks about apostles and prophets again, 0:23:52.420 --> 0:23:55.000 and it talks about them presently. So I know he's 0:23:55.000 --> 0:23:58.810 talking about, uh, at the time that Paul was writing 0:23:58.810 --> 0:24:03.040 that those who were apostles and prophets. And why is 0:24:03.040 --> 0:24:07.930 that significant? Because they're no longer are apostles. Apostles had 0:24:07.930 --> 0:24:13.300 to testify of the resurrected Lord. That's why they were 0:24:13.300 --> 0:24:17.109 the foundation of the church. And there is no one 0:24:17.109 --> 0:24:20.530 that can do that today. There are no apostles. It's 0:24:20.530 --> 0:24:23.560 one of the gifts that pretty much everyone agrees that 0:24:23.560 --> 0:24:29.629 the office of apostle with that gift has been rendered inoperative. 0:24:30.770 --> 0:24:34.340 On the other hand, profits are linked with them. So 0:24:34.340 --> 0:24:39.140 it seems to me that the foundation has been laid. 0:24:39.170 --> 0:24:41.899 They are no longer our profits. There's guidelines for the 0:24:41.900 --> 0:24:46.700 profits when they existed. First Corinthians 12 through 14. But 0:24:46.700 --> 0:24:50.900 when you look at First Corinthians 13, it says, uh, 0:24:50.900 --> 0:24:55.700 prophecy shall be done away. The dispute is when but 0:24:56.000 --> 0:24:58.430 it's clear that prophecy will be done away. I like 0:24:58.430 --> 0:25:02.000 to think that prophets today, that office has been done away, 0:25:02.000 --> 0:25:05.360 and the idea of visions and dreams, and not that 0:25:05.359 --> 0:25:08.300 I discount dreams. I still think God can speak to 0:25:08.330 --> 0:25:09.980 us through a dream. He can speak to us with 0:25:09.980 --> 0:25:13.850 an audible voice. All I'm saying is that office of prophet, 0:25:13.850 --> 0:25:18.469 that person that always speaks the truth, 100% accurate revelation 0:25:18.470 --> 0:25:21.649 from God that that doesn't seem to be operative today. 0:25:21.650 --> 0:25:25.070 Joel 228 through 32 seems to say that it will 0:25:25.100 --> 0:25:28.500 be reinstated during the day of the Lord during the 0:25:28.500 --> 0:25:33.720 tribulation period. And so then it will be back. Now 0:25:33.720 --> 0:25:37.139 it's gone. But it was there in the foundation of 0:25:37.140 --> 0:25:40.619 the church. That's how I understand it. Thanks for your call, Dennis. 0:25:40.650 --> 0:25:42.510 We're going to come back with the mailbag in just 0:25:42.510 --> 0:25:45.420 a moment to hear is dragging it in. So get 0:25:45.420 --> 0:25:49.679 ready for the Febc mailbag. 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That's febc.org. 0:26:49.619 --> 0:26:53.850 Joining me right now to to hear a Haynes who 0:26:53.850 --> 0:26:56.580 is sitting in for Trish today. I'm so glad you're 0:26:56.580 --> 0:26:58.229 here Tyra. Happy to. 0:26:58.230 --> 0:26:59.490 Be here. Thank you Michael. 0:26:59.520 --> 0:27:04.230 Yeah. And now we've got the mailbag. Trish may not 0:27:04.230 --> 0:27:07.380 be here, but the mailbag, the questions keep coming in. 0:27:07.380 --> 0:27:09.990 So you've got it today. What? And you're going to 0:27:09.990 --> 0:27:13.470 just pick the questions you want. So people ask me, 0:27:13.740 --> 0:27:15.450 how do I get my question on the air when 0:27:15.450 --> 0:27:18.300 I mail it in? You need to convince to hear. 0:27:18.300 --> 0:27:21.090 And Tricia and whoever is the producer, I don't pick them. 0:27:21.090 --> 0:27:25.720 So Thank you. Yes. If you email, if you email 0:27:25.720 --> 0:27:28.390 the show, we will go through them. Tricia goes through 0:27:28.390 --> 0:27:31.990 them and and chooses some each Saturday. Yeah. And then 0:27:31.990 --> 0:27:34.000 we get to as many as we can. Yeah. 0:27:34.030 --> 0:27:36.040 Now, the thing to know is that the best way 0:27:36.040 --> 0:27:38.710 to go and get that email to us really is 0:27:38.710 --> 0:27:42.670 by going to open Line radio.org. There's a link there. 0:27:42.670 --> 0:27:46.300 It says ask Michael a question. Put it in and 0:27:46.300 --> 0:27:48.310 it shows up in Tricia's email. So you don't have 0:27:48.310 --> 0:27:49.870 to email the program. What you have to do is 0:27:49.869 --> 0:27:52.960 click on Ask Michael a question and fill out the form. 0:27:52.960 --> 0:27:55.960 And then we're we're good to go. Okay. Let's let's 0:27:55.960 --> 0:27:56.830 get started. 0:27:56.859 --> 0:27:59.979 Thank you. Our first question for today is from Mike 0:27:59.980 --> 0:28:06.369 in Idaho listening through KMBC. He refers to Genesis chapter 36, 0:28:06.369 --> 0:28:10.869 verse 31. He says, it seems to have been long 0:28:10.869 --> 0:28:13.630 after the time of Moses and the reference that the 0:28:13.630 --> 0:28:18.430 kings ruled before Israel. And the kings don't seem to 0:28:18.460 --> 0:28:23.030 correspond with Moses writing this passage. Can you give some 0:28:23.030 --> 0:28:25.940 clarity on that passage for Michael? 0:28:25.970 --> 0:28:30.350 It says in Genesis 36 to 131, these are the 0:28:30.350 --> 0:28:34.040 kings who ruled in the land of Edom before any 0:28:34.040 --> 0:28:39.470 king ruled over the Israelites, which sounds like by the 0:28:39.470 --> 0:28:44.150 time that was put in there, there were kings over 0:28:44.150 --> 0:28:47.870 the Israelites. And, you know, some people have used this 0:28:47.870 --> 0:28:55.640 to defend the documentary hypothesis that the Torah, the five 0:28:55.670 --> 0:28:59.150 books of Moses, the the Pentateuch, different names that we 0:28:59.180 --> 0:29:03.110 call it, sort of evolved gradually that there was a 0:29:03.140 --> 0:29:08.720 yahwist document J the old from German j is pronounced 0:29:08.720 --> 0:29:11.719 like a ja the after the name of God, the 0:29:11.720 --> 0:29:15.890 yahwist document. And then there's the elohist document that the 0:29:15.890 --> 0:29:18.560 different names of God then got merged together like a 0:29:18.560 --> 0:29:22.440 great big blanket. You know that you're sewing patchwork together. 0:29:23.100 --> 0:29:30.480 And then there was the priestly document and finally the deuteronomist. 0:29:30.480 --> 0:29:36.180 So they call it jedp. And they think it evolved 0:29:36.180 --> 0:29:40.680 over time. And maybe by the seventh century, we've we've 0:29:40.680 --> 0:29:44.940 got the deuteronomist. And then finally, just before the destruction 0:29:44.940 --> 0:29:48.900 of the temple, we've got the priestly document. And that's 0:29:48.900 --> 0:29:52.410 how the Torah evolved. There are a lot of reasons 0:29:52.410 --> 0:29:54.750 to say the Torah didn't evolve, but this is one 0:29:54.750 --> 0:29:58.740 of the verses that's cited say, oh, look, it's very late. Uh, 0:29:58.740 --> 0:30:02.190 there are lots of good reasons not to believe in 0:30:02.190 --> 0:30:06.570 the documentary hypothesis. The Bible says that Moses wrote it. 0:30:06.570 --> 0:30:09.360 Jesus said Moses wrote it. I kind of trust Jesus 0:30:09.360 --> 0:30:14.460 more than I do 19th century German, uh, biblical scholars. Uh, 0:30:14.700 --> 0:30:19.090 the thing is, I think they misunderstand some issues, and 0:30:19.090 --> 0:30:20.920 one of the things they make a big deal about 0:30:20.920 --> 0:30:23.620 is that there's different names of God used in different passages, 0:30:23.620 --> 0:30:25.930 and then they just say, well, but there are other 0:30:25.930 --> 0:30:31.270 passages where both names of God, Yahweh and Elohim are used. Well, 0:30:31.270 --> 0:30:35.020 those are kind of conflated passages. How about we just 0:30:35.020 --> 0:30:37.120 say that there was one author who uses the name 0:30:37.120 --> 0:30:40.810 of God in different ways because of the content of 0:30:40.810 --> 0:30:45.520 his material? I think that's the best, the best way 0:30:45.520 --> 0:30:47.470 of looking at it. But these verses, how do we 0:30:47.500 --> 0:30:51.220 deal with them like Genesis 3631? Because it sounds like 0:30:51.220 --> 0:30:54.340 there are already kings in Israel. I'll give you another example, 0:30:54.340 --> 0:30:56.860 and then I'll try and give you my explanation in 0:30:56.860 --> 0:31:02.890 Genesis 14. It says that Abraham pursued lot when he 0:31:02.890 --> 0:31:06.880 was kidnapped all the way up to the city of Dan, 0:31:06.880 --> 0:31:10.480 and then further towards Syria, but he went to the 0:31:10.480 --> 0:31:13.630 city of Dan. The problem is, Dan wasn't named Dan 0:31:13.630 --> 0:31:18.530 until the Israelite conquest. Way after Abraham Before that it 0:31:18.530 --> 0:31:22.310 was called Laish. So why in the world does Moses 0:31:22.340 --> 0:31:26.060 call it Dan when it's not Dan yet? Well, the 0:31:26.060 --> 0:31:29.720 answer is. And there's a great prophet Master's Seminary, where 0:31:29.720 --> 0:31:34.040 John MacArthur was the president. Uh, he wrote a book. Uh, 0:31:34.370 --> 0:31:38.510 not a book. An article. Uh, his name was Michael Grisanti. 0:31:38.540 --> 0:31:41.209 He's a great Old Testament scholar, loves the word of God, 0:31:41.240 --> 0:31:44.870 believes it, believes Moses wrote this. But as the Torah 0:31:44.870 --> 0:31:51.320 was being copied from generation to generation before the close 0:31:51.320 --> 0:31:54.530 of the biblical canon, before the Torah was before the 0:31:54.530 --> 0:31:57.230 Bible was closed, while there were still prophets, people like 0:31:57.230 --> 0:32:02.210 Ezra writing, and Isaiah. During that period of time, there 0:32:02.210 --> 0:32:06.110 might have been a scribe like Ezra who is copying 0:32:06.110 --> 0:32:10.100 the Torah. Now remember, he's a biblical author and he 0:32:10.100 --> 0:32:14.360 can update stuff because it is still the period when 0:32:14.360 --> 0:32:19.430 the Bible is being inspired. So Grisanti calls it inspired updating. 0:32:19.970 --> 0:32:22.850 And so, you know, it's sort of like New York 0:32:22.850 --> 0:32:25.790 was New Amsterdam and then it became New York. If 0:32:25.790 --> 0:32:29.630 you were writing about a document earlier, you might say, oh, 0:32:29.660 --> 0:32:32.510 no one knows what New Amsterdam is. So I'll, I'll 0:32:32.510 --> 0:32:36.530 change the name of New Amsterdam to New York. Well, 0:32:36.530 --> 0:32:40.670 the same thing. Ezra may have been copying the Torah, 0:32:40.670 --> 0:32:44.000 and he says no one knows what Laish is. So 0:32:44.000 --> 0:32:47.330 I'm going to put Dan in there, because that's. And 0:32:47.330 --> 0:32:50.180 it's still in the period before the canon is closed. 0:32:50.480 --> 0:32:53.780 And it's an inspired update. I'm going to add, he 0:32:53.780 --> 0:32:57.620 might say, the story of the death of Moses, because 0:32:57.620 --> 0:33:01.010 Moses wasn't alive to write that. And so I'm going 0:33:01.040 --> 0:33:06.530 to add that part, the death of Moses and update it. 0:33:06.560 --> 0:33:12.380 Torah 2.0. Uh, and then, uh, but it's the same 0:33:12.410 --> 0:33:16.350 Torah written by Moses, just that thing ended. Update. And 0:33:16.350 --> 0:33:20.010 then of course, the reference to these kings who were 0:33:20.010 --> 0:33:25.680 there before there were kings in Israel and and Ezra 0:33:25.680 --> 0:33:29.880 or someone like Ezra, a scribe superintended by the spirit 0:33:29.880 --> 0:33:32.940 before the close of the canon, will now update it 0:33:32.940 --> 0:33:36.030 and say, as we're reading the Torah, you need to 0:33:36.060 --> 0:33:40.770 know that this was before there were kings in Israel. 0:33:40.800 --> 0:33:45.120 It's just giving us a little historical insight. And so 0:33:45.120 --> 0:33:48.090 that's what I would say. That's a better explanation for 0:33:48.090 --> 0:33:51.780 these updates than saying that someone other than Moses wrote 0:33:51.780 --> 0:33:57.000 it and that it was patchwork together, according to evolutionary theory. 0:33:57.090 --> 0:34:00.630 So thank you so much. So what we're saying is 0:34:00.630 --> 0:34:06.120 that before the canon was closed, we have authors we 0:34:06.120 --> 0:34:10.020 have who were biblical authors, biblical authors. Thank you. Who 0:34:10.050 --> 0:34:15.370 were able to Update and update things. 0:34:15.610 --> 0:34:17.379 So the readers would understand it. 0:34:17.410 --> 0:34:20.980 Excellent, excellent. Thank you so much for that. Yeah. Our 0:34:20.980 --> 0:34:25.569 next question is from Bonnie and she writes via Instagram. 0:34:27.580 --> 0:34:31.930 After journeying for about two and a half months, the Israelites, um, 0:34:31.960 --> 0:34:35.739 are grumbling about their hunger. And this is from Exodus 16, 0:34:35.739 --> 0:34:40.690 and God provides them with manna for the next 40 years. However, 0:34:40.690 --> 0:34:45.219 they left Egypt with livestock, and Exodus 17 three clearly 0:34:45.219 --> 0:34:48.730 states that they still have livestock. What would have kept 0:34:48.730 --> 0:34:53.680 them from eating from this easy and plentiful food food source? 0:34:53.800 --> 0:34:58.180 Well, it seems to me that they were preserving many 0:34:58.180 --> 0:35:04.900 of the animals to have, uh, offerings for sacrifice. And 0:35:05.320 --> 0:35:09.940 it's sort of like they, they were preserving that for, uh, 0:35:09.940 --> 0:35:13.100 for when they get to Israel. And when they were 0:35:13.100 --> 0:35:14.750 going to the land of Canaan and they were going 0:35:14.780 --> 0:35:19.190 to conquer, they needed to have food for that place, 0:35:19.190 --> 0:35:23.690 and they weren't going to get wilderness support then. And 0:35:23.690 --> 0:35:27.230 so for those reasons, I think they wanted to preserve 0:35:27.230 --> 0:35:31.069 the livestock and not. And they also, for example, the 0:35:31.070 --> 0:35:36.170 sheep they wanted for clothing and and things like that. 0:35:36.170 --> 0:35:39.020 So it seems to me that that's why they, they 0:35:39.050 --> 0:35:43.790 were fed manna in the wilderness. And then God provided the, the, 0:35:43.790 --> 0:35:47.780 the poultry for them as needed. So that's that's what 0:35:47.780 --> 0:35:48.620 I think it is. 0:35:48.650 --> 0:35:52.040 Great explanation. Thank you. The next one is from Libby 0:35:52.070 --> 0:35:56.450 on Facebook. She leads the women's Bible study. And this 0:35:56.450 --> 0:36:00.080 came up the question about Psalm 139. She says that 0:36:00.080 --> 0:36:04.280 most versions say, how precious are your thoughts to me. 0:36:04.280 --> 0:36:09.440 But the hcsb says, God, how difficult your thoughts are 0:36:09.469 --> 0:36:14.160 for me to comprehend. She wants us to explain the difference. 0:36:14.190 --> 0:36:17.550 Well, the Hebrew word that's used there in Psalm 139 0:36:17.580 --> 0:36:23.219 is yakar, and it means difficult to comprehend, but it's 0:36:23.219 --> 0:36:27.030 used in kind of an interesting way. It's sort of 0:36:27.060 --> 0:36:36.510 like amazing. Uh, it says, uh, how difficult it is 0:36:36.510 --> 0:36:40.110 for me. This is how the the Net Bible translates it, 0:36:40.140 --> 0:36:43.410 how difficult it is for me to fathom your thoughts 0:36:43.410 --> 0:36:48.540 about me. It's like amazing. That's it's not saying, oh, 0:36:48.570 --> 0:36:54.030 I just can't understand. It's like it's it's incomprehensible. Why? 0:36:54.060 --> 0:36:58.560 Because they're so precious. So by saying how difficult it 0:36:58.560 --> 0:37:02.219 is for me to comprehend it, it just means that 0:37:02.219 --> 0:37:05.280 it's so amazing. It's so precious that. 0:37:05.310 --> 0:37:06.510 It's a statement of awe. 0:37:06.540 --> 0:37:07.950 Yeah, that's what it is. 0:37:07.980 --> 0:37:08.550 Excellent. 0:37:08.580 --> 0:37:11.710 Yeah. We're going to take a break here. I appreciate that, 0:37:11.710 --> 0:37:15.190 by the way. Isn't it amazing how God loves us? 0:37:15.219 --> 0:37:17.860 It really is. It is? Yeah. I'm really grateful to 0:37:17.890 --> 0:37:19.960 God for that. It's even hard. It is hard for 0:37:19.960 --> 0:37:22.330 us to comprehend that we're going to come back thanks 0:37:22.330 --> 0:37:24.670 to Hera. We're going to come back in just a 0:37:24.670 --> 0:37:27.460 moment with more of your questions right here on Open 0:37:27.460 --> 0:37:31.870 Line with Michael Melnick and Tara Haynes. Stay with us. 0:37:45.280 --> 0:37:49.779 And we're back. 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You'll see a link 0:39:16.080 --> 0:39:19.380 that says A free gift from Chosen People Ministries. Click 0:39:19.380 --> 0:39:21.120 on that. You'll be taken to a page where you 0:39:21.120 --> 0:39:25.320 can sign up for your very own copy of the portion. 0:39:25.710 --> 0:39:29.820 We're going to talk with John in Crystal River, Florida, 0:39:30.150 --> 0:39:34.470 listening on WGN. Welcome to Open Line. John. How can 0:39:34.469 --> 0:39:35.280 I help you? 0:39:36.239 --> 0:39:37.020 Hi. 0:39:37.260 --> 0:39:39.900 Thank you for all you do. God bless you all. Uh, 0:39:39.900 --> 0:39:45.060 in revelation 20, verse uh, four through six, it's talking 0:39:45.060 --> 0:39:48.960 about the great White throne judgment and the the difference 0:39:48.960 --> 0:39:52.710 between the Bema Seat of Christ and the Great White 0:39:52.739 --> 0:39:56.279 Throne judgment. I was reading it and it seems like, uh, 0:39:56.280 --> 0:39:59.250 verse four says that, and I saw the souls of 0:39:59.250 --> 0:40:01.860 those who had been headed for the testimony of Jesus 0:40:01.860 --> 0:40:04.560 and the word of God. And it says, and those 0:40:04.560 --> 0:40:07.560 nurse who had not worshiped the beast or its image, 0:40:07.560 --> 0:40:10.650 had not received the mark on their foreheads or their hands, 0:40:10.680 --> 0:40:13.180 they came to life and reigned with Christ for a 0:40:13.180 --> 0:40:15.450 thousand years. And I didn't know if the believers were 0:40:15.450 --> 0:40:19.500 in that on that part, or because I've always been 0:40:19.500 --> 0:40:23.730 taught that, uh, we'll I'll be going to the Bema 0:40:23.730 --> 0:40:26.910 Seat of Christ because I'm a believer. But then it's 0:40:26.940 --> 0:40:27.630 it looks like. 0:40:28.110 --> 0:40:30.630 You know what? You're getting the resurrections confused. Let me 0:40:30.630 --> 0:40:35.100 just straighten it out here for you. In first Thessalonians 0:40:35.100 --> 0:40:39.689 four it says that and it uses the euphemism three 0:40:39.690 --> 0:40:42.089 times of asleep. It just means dead. It doesn't mean 0:40:42.090 --> 0:40:46.530 that we're soul sleeping. Uh, in Philippians one and second 0:40:46.530 --> 0:40:51.390 Corinthians five, it's clear that when we die, we are immaterial. 0:40:51.690 --> 0:40:56.969 Immortal spirit goes to be with the Lord. But then 0:40:56.969 --> 0:41:02.460 the Lord will descend with a shout of the archangel. Right? Uh. 0:41:02.580 --> 0:41:06.310 And the trump of God and the dead in Christ 0:41:06.310 --> 0:41:10.330 will rise first. That means that the physical bodies of 0:41:10.330 --> 0:41:14.650 those who have died in Christ will be resurrected and 0:41:14.650 --> 0:41:19.480 reunite with that immaterial part that's been with the Lord 0:41:19.480 --> 0:41:23.380 since they died. So that's when that resurrection happens. That's 0:41:23.380 --> 0:41:27.040 before the day of the Lord. That's before the tribulation. 0:41:27.040 --> 0:41:32.560 And so everyone, uh, in the body of Messiah, the body, 0:41:32.560 --> 0:41:39.549 the congregation, uh, all believers in this era, uh, from 0:41:39.550 --> 0:41:44.050 Pentecost until that time who have died will be resurrected 0:41:44.050 --> 0:41:47.469 and go to be with the Lord. And then we'll 0:41:47.469 --> 0:41:51.040 experience the Bema Seat, as you say, during the day 0:41:51.040 --> 0:41:54.370 of the Lord, while we're in heaven, during the tribulation period, 0:41:54.370 --> 0:41:59.049 then there will be people who become believers in the tribulation, 0:41:59.050 --> 0:42:02.450 and some of them will die, some by martyrdom, others 0:42:02.450 --> 0:42:05.750 will just die of natural causes during the tribulation period, 0:42:05.750 --> 0:42:08.870 and these believers will be resurrected and reign with the 0:42:08.870 --> 0:42:12.799 Messiah for a thousand years. At the same time, they're resurrected. 0:42:12.800 --> 0:42:16.460 So will the Old Testament saints that Daniel 12 talks about. 0:42:16.460 --> 0:42:20.300 So there's going to be a resurrection of the church, uh, 0:42:20.300 --> 0:42:24.080 before the tribulation and a resurrection of the Old Testament 0:42:24.080 --> 0:42:29.570 saints and the tribulation saints at the the end of 0:42:29.570 --> 0:42:32.930 the tribulation when the Lord Jesus returns, and then we 0:42:32.930 --> 0:42:36.020 all get to be in the kingdom with him together, uh, 0:42:36.020 --> 0:42:40.490 the Messianic kingdom, for a thousand years. I hope that helps. John, uh, 0:42:40.489 --> 0:42:43.940 thanks for your call. We're going to talk with Sam 0:42:43.940 --> 0:42:49.010 in Mendenhall, Mississippi, listening on WMU. Welcome to Open Line. Sam, 0:42:49.010 --> 0:42:50.330 how can I help you? 0:42:51.530 --> 0:42:53.060 Thank you. Doctor Nick. 0:42:53.300 --> 0:42:57.379 My question aligns somewhat with the previous question. And my 0:42:57.380 --> 0:43:03.030 question is what happens to the the people that believe 0:43:03.030 --> 0:43:07.230 in Christ through the tribulation period. And they're not martyred. 0:43:07.260 --> 0:43:10.830 They enter into the kingdom in earthly bodies and then 0:43:10.830 --> 0:43:16.379 they die in the Millennial Kingdom won it. Do believers 0:43:16.380 --> 0:43:19.110 die that are in their earthly bodies in the Millennial Kingdom? 0:43:19.110 --> 0:43:21.330 And if they do, when are they resurrected? 0:43:22.020 --> 0:43:22.920 Well. 0:43:23.760 --> 0:43:26.130 I you know, it talks about that there will be 0:43:26.130 --> 0:43:28.950 people who die. It says in Isaiah 65. If someone 0:43:28.950 --> 0:43:31.980 dies in the kingdom at 100, they'll be considered young. 0:43:32.730 --> 0:43:36.300 So there will be death in the Messianic kingdom. People 0:43:36.300 --> 0:43:39.390 will die in that thousand year reign of Jesus. But 0:43:39.390 --> 0:43:44.580 I'm not sure that it's the believers. Maybe it is. 0:43:44.580 --> 0:43:50.250 Maybe it isn't. Uh, so clearly the unbelieving dead will 0:43:50.250 --> 0:43:54.600 be resurrected after the thousand year reign resurrected the and 0:43:54.600 --> 0:43:57.120 and then they will face the Great White Throne judgment. 0:43:57.120 --> 0:44:00.210 But for believers, if believers die, it doesn't state when 0:44:00.239 --> 0:44:02.910 if they've entered the kingdom when they will be resurrected. 0:44:02.910 --> 0:44:06.630 I'm guessing they would be resurrected to life, not judgment 0:44:06.630 --> 0:44:09.690 at the end of the Millennial Kingdom. That's what I 0:44:09.690 --> 0:44:11.489 would say. Right. Okay. 0:44:11.910 --> 0:44:15.330 Well, you see my confusion? Yeah. Um, if death is 0:44:15.330 --> 0:44:19.140 present and believers are in their earthly bodies, some, uh, 0:44:19.140 --> 0:44:24.630 in the messianic kingdom, and the first resurrection has already happened. Yeah. Um, 0:44:25.440 --> 0:44:29.250 is it possible that it would be somewhat like when 0:44:29.250 --> 0:44:33.990 Jesus was in his earthly ministry and raised Jairus daughter, 0:44:34.020 --> 0:44:37.980 or raised Lazarus, that when they died, they were raised immediately? 0:44:38.010 --> 0:44:41.010 I doubt that, I doubt that I think that the 0:44:41.040 --> 0:44:44.189 because there's clearly a time of resurrection for the lost 0:44:44.190 --> 0:44:46.739 at the end of the millennium. I suspect that if 0:44:46.739 --> 0:44:50.910 believers have died in the tribulation, not tribulation in the millennium, 0:44:50.910 --> 0:44:54.029 they've entered from the tribulation that that's when they will 0:44:54.030 --> 0:44:58.210 be resurrected. Or if they've not died, then they would. 0:44:58.239 --> 0:45:02.620 They would probably have to be translated similarly to the 0:45:02.620 --> 0:45:06.130 way we are translated at the rapture, if we're alive 0:45:06.130 --> 0:45:09.489 at the rapture, uh, you know, people like to say, oh, 0:45:09.489 --> 0:45:11.859 it's appointed unto man once to die. Everyone has to die. 0:45:11.890 --> 0:45:14.560 That's a general rule. We're all going to die. I 0:45:14.560 --> 0:45:18.190 heard a preacher say that this week. Uh, of course, 0:45:18.190 --> 0:45:21.160 if you pressed him, he would say, well, at the rapture, 0:45:21.190 --> 0:45:26.350 those people won't die. They'll be translated. Uh, Elijah didn't die. 0:45:26.380 --> 0:45:30.969 He was translated. Enoch didn't die. He was translated into 0:45:31.000 --> 0:45:34.210 his immortal body immediately. And I would say that the 0:45:34.210 --> 0:45:37.960 the believers who might die in the Millennial kingdom, uh, 0:45:37.960 --> 0:45:41.590 will be resurrected at the end of it. Uh, on 0:45:41.590 --> 0:45:44.920 the other hand, people who are believers at the end 0:45:44.920 --> 0:45:48.520 of the Millennial Kingdom will be translated. That's what I 0:45:48.520 --> 0:45:50.530 would say. You know, that's the only thing that makes 0:45:50.530 --> 0:45:52.330 sense to me. Okay. 0:45:52.420 --> 0:45:53.290 Okay. Yeah. 0:45:53.320 --> 0:45:56.320 I usually I want to be really clear. The Bible 0:45:56.330 --> 0:45:59.359 doesn't state that specifically, but it does say that there 0:45:59.360 --> 0:46:01.460 will be a resurrection of the lost at that time. 0:46:01.460 --> 0:46:05.450 So that makes sense to me as well. Well, can 0:46:05.450 --> 0:46:07.100 you believe the first hour is up? That was the 0:46:07.100 --> 0:46:10.609 fastest hour in in my week. 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