1 00:00:05,400 --> 00:00:07,600 S1: It's one of my favorite things to do. Talk about 2 00:00:07,600 --> 00:00:10,600 S1: the Bible. Talk about getting it inside of us so 3 00:00:10,600 --> 00:00:12,920 S1: we can live it out. And the other thing I 4 00:00:12,920 --> 00:00:14,920 S1: love to do is talk with people who are a 5 00:00:14,920 --> 00:00:17,759 S1: little further down the trail than me, to help give 6 00:00:17,760 --> 00:00:21,080 S1: us wisdom from a life well lived. And we're going 7 00:00:21,079 --> 00:00:23,720 S1: to do both of those today at the radio backyard 8 00:00:23,720 --> 00:00:26,920 S1: fence with Doctor Ron Sauer. You're going to hear from 9 00:00:26,920 --> 00:00:29,840 S1: him today, and from someone who's going to tell us 10 00:00:29,840 --> 00:00:32,720 S1: if he's telling the truth. His wife, sweet Sue, is 11 00:00:32,720 --> 00:00:35,680 S1: at the table. He's been sour all his life. She's 12 00:00:35,680 --> 00:00:39,800 S1: only been sour for 55 years. But wait. There's more. 13 00:00:40,360 --> 00:00:43,720 S1: We have our colleague Sullivan Williams at the table. He 14 00:00:43,720 --> 00:00:46,680 S1: is co-host of a new podcast. You gotta see. It's 15 00:00:46,680 --> 00:00:49,720 S1: called Quiet Time with Doctor Ron Sauer. We have a 16 00:00:49,720 --> 00:00:55,400 S1: link at the website. Chris, for Encouragement of Biblical Proportions 17 00:00:55,400 --> 00:00:57,960 S1: is coming straight ahead on Chris Fabry live program From 18 00:00:57,960 --> 00:01:00,250 S1: the heart to the heart for the heart, We thank 19 00:01:00,290 --> 00:01:03,330 S1: our team behind the scenes. Ryan McConaughey doing all things technical. 20 00:01:03,370 --> 00:01:06,090 S1: Trish is our producer. Lisa's helping out. Josh will be 21 00:01:06,090 --> 00:01:09,130 S1: answering your calls today. 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He would have been eight 189 today. Happy birthday, Mr. Moody. 41 00:02:19,060 --> 00:02:22,340 S1: Doctor Ron Sauer, taught at Moody Bible Institute. Has taught 42 00:02:22,380 --> 00:02:26,220 S1: there before. Retired 35 years. Before that he taught, I 43 00:02:26,220 --> 00:02:29,220 S1: think it was six years at Liberty University. He holds 44 00:02:29,220 --> 00:02:33,780 S1: a B.A. from Mississippi College, a in New Testament Greek 45 00:02:33,780 --> 00:02:37,579 S1: from Dallas Theological Seminary. He completed his PhD in New 46 00:02:37,580 --> 00:02:41,739 S1: Testament at the University of Manchester under F.F. Bruce. He's 47 00:02:41,740 --> 00:02:44,860 S1: a military veteran. He served as an interim pastor for 48 00:02:44,860 --> 00:02:49,380 S1: 19 churches in the Chicago area, and recently retired as 49 00:02:49,380 --> 00:02:54,660 S1: pastor of Brentford Bible Church. His website is translatable S.com. 50 00:02:54,900 --> 00:02:57,829 S1: He's a contributor to the Moody Bible Commentary. I think 51 00:02:57,870 --> 00:03:01,989 S1: it's Hebrews. And then first, second, third John. Is that right? Correct. 52 00:03:02,230 --> 00:03:05,149 S1: And his new podcast, as I come up for Air 53 00:03:05,190 --> 00:03:08,390 S1: is Quiet Time with Doctor Ron Sauer. We have a 54 00:03:08,389 --> 00:03:12,990 S1: link right there, Chris. Doctor Sauer, are you nervous yet? 55 00:03:13,389 --> 00:03:17,669 S2: No. But, uh, I appreciate the welcome here, Chris. Thank you. 56 00:03:17,830 --> 00:03:19,950 S1: I'm glad to have you back. You were with us, 57 00:03:19,950 --> 00:03:25,390 S1: but it's been a few years alongside him for 55 years. 58 00:03:25,669 --> 00:03:28,710 S1: Sue has a sweet. Sue has been married to this man. 59 00:03:28,710 --> 00:03:34,350 S1: She dedicated her life to serving others through education, music, family, quiet, faithfulness. 60 00:03:34,510 --> 00:03:38,550 S1: She's been involved with good news clubs, child evangelism, fellowship. 61 00:03:38,550 --> 00:03:43,430 S1: She's mentored discipled couples and young women. And, uh, you 62 00:03:43,430 --> 00:03:46,390 S1: have three children. You and Ron have three children. Sue. 63 00:03:46,430 --> 00:03:48,270 S1: Three grandchildren. Is that right? 64 00:03:48,310 --> 00:03:48,830 S2: Correct. 65 00:03:49,550 --> 00:03:52,430 S1: Thank you for doing this today. Thanks for keeping him straight. 66 00:03:52,430 --> 00:03:53,990 S1: It's a full time job, isn't it? 67 00:03:54,670 --> 00:03:56,930 S2: She is. She's my main helper in life. 68 00:03:57,090 --> 00:04:01,410 S1: Yeah. Uh, and then the third, the third, uh, triumvirate 69 00:04:01,410 --> 00:04:04,650 S1: here is Sullivan Williams, graduate of Moody Bible Institute. Though 70 00:04:04,650 --> 00:04:07,530 S1: you told me, Sullivan, you did not have Doctor Sauer 71 00:04:07,530 --> 00:04:08,650 S1: in class, right? 72 00:04:08,890 --> 00:04:13,210 S3: That's correct. I met him nine years after I graduated, 73 00:04:13,210 --> 00:04:17,330 S3: while doing a little side project of my own, uh, podcast. 74 00:04:17,330 --> 00:04:21,930 S3: And he graciously, uh, offered to be on. So it was, uh, 75 00:04:21,970 --> 00:04:22,890 S3: very kind of him. 76 00:04:23,290 --> 00:04:26,729 S1: The fourth episode comes out next Tuesday. There are three there. 77 00:04:27,210 --> 00:04:31,650 S1: Watch one. Just watch one. You will be hooked. Uh, 78 00:04:31,650 --> 00:04:36,250 S1: quiet time with Doctor Ron Sauer. Go to Chris. And 79 00:04:36,250 --> 00:04:39,290 S1: we've got a link right there. Okay. First you, Doctor Sauer, 80 00:04:39,290 --> 00:04:42,210 S1: let's go into your your history. You were born in 81 00:04:42,210 --> 00:04:45,770 S1: Missouri and you moved to Mississippi. Uh, this is in 82 00:04:45,770 --> 00:04:49,170 S1: the middle 40s. Why? Why did you move to Mississippi? 83 00:04:49,170 --> 00:04:50,010 S1: Are your family? 84 00:04:50,010 --> 00:04:53,530 S2: Well, my my father was from Missouri, and so I 85 00:04:53,529 --> 00:04:56,659 S2: lived there six months and my parents never told me 86 00:04:56,660 --> 00:04:59,660 S2: why they moved from Missouri to Mississippi. I think it's 87 00:04:59,660 --> 00:05:01,900 S2: because my dad had a hard time getting a job 88 00:05:01,900 --> 00:05:04,820 S2: in Missouri and not in Mississippi. Didn't have any problem 89 00:05:04,820 --> 00:05:05,740 S2: getting a job. 90 00:05:06,180 --> 00:05:08,060 S1: What part of Mississippi. Jackson. 91 00:05:08,300 --> 00:05:09,580 S2: Jackson. Right in the center. 92 00:05:09,900 --> 00:05:14,780 S1: So what? Take me back, little Ron. When little Ron was, like, uh, 93 00:05:15,060 --> 00:05:19,860 S1: ten years old in 1956, what did little Ron want 94 00:05:19,860 --> 00:05:20,419 S1: to do? 95 00:05:21,460 --> 00:05:24,419 S2: Um, well, you know, being a ten year old child, 96 00:05:24,420 --> 00:05:28,180 S2: I never thought about that. But as I look back 97 00:05:28,180 --> 00:05:30,780 S2: on it, I can see that I was born without 98 00:05:30,779 --> 00:05:34,060 S2: any ambition. And growing up, my mother would say, son, 99 00:05:34,060 --> 00:05:37,060 S2: what do you want to do in life? Uh, nothing. Mom. Son, 100 00:05:37,060 --> 00:05:39,339 S2: isn't there something you want to do? Nah, there really isn't. 101 00:05:39,980 --> 00:05:42,900 S2: And then it was really just coming to know the 102 00:05:42,900 --> 00:05:46,380 S2: Lord and starting to grow as a Christian. Now I 103 00:05:46,380 --> 00:05:49,779 S2: begin to have purpose, uh, begin to have goals. I 104 00:05:49,779 --> 00:05:51,900 S2: wanted to know the Bible. I wanted to study the 105 00:05:51,900 --> 00:05:55,229 S2: Bible because the Bible was changing my life and bringing 106 00:05:55,230 --> 00:06:01,790 S2: about wonderful effects. And, um, so now I just caught 107 00:06:01,830 --> 00:06:04,630 S2: on fire with the Bible. And that led to Dallas 108 00:06:04,670 --> 00:06:08,150 S2: Theological Seminary and then a desire to teach the Bible 109 00:06:08,150 --> 00:06:09,870 S2: and give it out. And that led to the University 110 00:06:09,870 --> 00:06:12,909 S2: of Manchester and England. So I, I just God just 111 00:06:12,910 --> 00:06:16,590 S2: laid it on my heart. Teach your students what you've 112 00:06:16,589 --> 00:06:18,630 S2: been taught, and that is how to better study the 113 00:06:18,630 --> 00:06:21,150 S2: Word of God. And so that's the path that God 114 00:06:21,150 --> 00:06:23,870 S2: put me on. And I was I was passionate about that. 115 00:06:23,870 --> 00:06:27,510 S2: Whereas before I just had no ambition, wasn't anything in 116 00:06:27,510 --> 00:06:29,350 S2: life I saw of interest. 117 00:06:29,710 --> 00:06:31,550 S1: You didn't want to be like a football player or 118 00:06:31,550 --> 00:06:32,350 S1: baseball player. 119 00:06:32,390 --> 00:06:34,830 S2: I love, I love the sport, but I never I 120 00:06:34,830 --> 00:06:38,270 S2: was I was never good enough to be a professional. 121 00:06:38,270 --> 00:06:41,710 S2: I was never interested in playing games the rest of 122 00:06:41,710 --> 00:06:43,270 S2: my life. Yes. No. 123 00:06:43,470 --> 00:06:46,349 S1: Uh, your mom was a Christian, but your dad was not. 124 00:06:46,430 --> 00:06:47,549 S1: How did that affect you? 125 00:06:47,830 --> 00:06:51,070 S2: Um, well, it was it was a bad marriage. Uh, 126 00:06:51,070 --> 00:06:54,359 S2: they were not on the same page. It was all 127 00:06:54,360 --> 00:06:58,479 S2: in water. It was not a good. It was not 128 00:06:58,480 --> 00:07:01,520 S2: a happy home. So to answer your question, what effect 129 00:07:01,520 --> 00:07:05,360 S2: did it have on me? My parents had such trouble 130 00:07:05,360 --> 00:07:08,920 S2: in marriage. I decided I will never, ever get married 131 00:07:08,960 --> 00:07:12,400 S2: unless I know for sure God wants me to marry 132 00:07:12,440 --> 00:07:16,920 S2: this particular woman. And God, when God brought her into 133 00:07:16,960 --> 00:07:21,560 S2: my life, he grew developed that conviction in me. And 134 00:07:21,560 --> 00:07:24,400 S2: I was sure God wanted me to marry Sue. And 135 00:07:24,400 --> 00:07:27,760 S2: she was just as convinced that that God wanted her 136 00:07:27,760 --> 00:07:28,560 S2: to marry me. 137 00:07:29,000 --> 00:07:29,960 S1: Is that true, Sue? 138 00:07:30,040 --> 00:07:31,680 S2: Yes. Yes. 139 00:07:31,720 --> 00:07:33,360 S1: How did you know he was the one? 140 00:07:33,680 --> 00:07:37,280 S4: Well, my grandmother taught me how to pray early on 141 00:07:37,280 --> 00:07:39,840 S4: when I was a little girl for the right man. 142 00:07:40,160 --> 00:07:43,640 S4: And that focused me on the Lord rather than all 143 00:07:43,640 --> 00:07:48,280 S4: the guys around. And I learned to, as I learned 144 00:07:48,280 --> 00:07:52,090 S4: to pray about the kind of man I wanted. I 145 00:07:52,130 --> 00:07:55,370 S4: realized what I didn't want to, so I had a 146 00:07:55,530 --> 00:08:00,330 S4: list of negotiables and non-negotiables. And, um. 147 00:08:00,530 --> 00:08:02,650 S1: What was the list? Tell me what was on the list. 148 00:08:02,690 --> 00:08:05,050 S1: Did he have to be tall or or was it 149 00:08:05,050 --> 00:08:06,330 S1: more hard attitude? 150 00:08:06,570 --> 00:08:11,330 S4: Hard attitude? And, uh, not an angry man. Not a 151 00:08:11,570 --> 00:08:14,770 S4: a loud man, you know, um, the things that I 152 00:08:14,930 --> 00:08:18,450 S4: didn't want to repeat from my parents marriage. Mhm. Um, 153 00:08:18,730 --> 00:08:20,250 S4: were my non-negotiables. 154 00:08:20,650 --> 00:08:22,410 S1: Did he have to have a good sense of humor? 155 00:08:23,010 --> 00:08:26,410 S4: I didn't even I didn't have that on my list. 156 00:08:26,410 --> 00:08:30,970 S4: But my husband is a funny man. He does. He 157 00:08:30,970 --> 00:08:33,530 S4: laughs in the bed and he shakes. It's so funny. 158 00:08:35,290 --> 00:08:37,530 S1: You're going to hear some of that come out today, 159 00:08:37,530 --> 00:08:39,090 S1: but I want you to, before you take a break, 160 00:08:39,090 --> 00:08:42,329 S1: I want you to take us then to your conversion, Ron, 161 00:08:42,370 --> 00:08:44,370 S1: because it was in high school, right? 162 00:08:44,410 --> 00:08:48,089 S2: Yes. Uh, I was a junior in high school. I 163 00:08:48,090 --> 00:08:50,580 S2: begin to wonder if I was saved. Pastor taught a 164 00:08:50,580 --> 00:08:52,819 S2: lot about being saved. My mother was a Christian. I 165 00:08:52,820 --> 00:08:57,260 S2: just never could understand the gospel. I thought, I get 166 00:08:57,260 --> 00:09:00,220 S2: to heaven by doing good words, good deeds. So I 167 00:09:00,220 --> 00:09:02,699 S2: don't know why Jesus had to die for me. And 168 00:09:02,700 --> 00:09:05,300 S2: then one Sunday night, I went to the evening service 169 00:09:05,300 --> 00:09:07,940 S2: because I had nothing to do. And the first hymn 170 00:09:07,940 --> 00:09:12,420 S2: they sung was William R Newell's song Up at Calvary. 171 00:09:12,420 --> 00:09:15,300 S2: And William R Newell was a professor here at Moody 172 00:09:15,300 --> 00:09:19,819 S2: Bible Institute. And it was through the hymn years of 173 00:09:19,820 --> 00:09:22,620 S2: spent in vanity and pride. Right off the bat, it 174 00:09:22,620 --> 00:09:24,740 S2: was like the Lord was saying, you see yourself as 175 00:09:24,740 --> 00:09:26,780 S2: a good person, but I don't. And I was just 176 00:09:26,780 --> 00:09:31,579 S2: shocked by that, knowing not my Lord was crucified. No 177 00:09:31,580 --> 00:09:33,219 S2: one else was for me. He died. And then in 178 00:09:33,260 --> 00:09:36,939 S2: the the course that did it, talking about Calvary mercy 179 00:09:36,980 --> 00:09:43,180 S2: there was free, and there pardon was multiplied to me. 180 00:09:43,780 --> 00:09:46,740 S2: There my burdened soul found liberty at Calvary. So through 181 00:09:46,740 --> 00:09:50,030 S2: the course I understood the only way God can forgive 182 00:09:50,030 --> 00:09:52,550 S2: me of my sins is by Jesus dying for me 183 00:09:52,550 --> 00:09:54,429 S2: on the cross, and I didn't deserve him to come 184 00:09:54,429 --> 00:09:57,390 S2: down and do it. That was pure grace. And so 185 00:09:57,390 --> 00:10:00,670 S2: that's how I was saved. And then, as a new 186 00:10:00,710 --> 00:10:04,190 S2: high school Christian, the books of Kenneth Weiss, a Greek 187 00:10:04,190 --> 00:10:07,310 S2: teacher at Moody, fell into my hands. He wrote books 188 00:10:07,309 --> 00:10:10,430 S2: on Greek for for people who didn't know the language, 189 00:10:10,429 --> 00:10:13,429 S2: but they were interested in it. And those books just 190 00:10:13,429 --> 00:10:17,070 S2: gave me a taste. A desire to learn New Testament Greek. 191 00:10:17,070 --> 00:10:18,550 S2: So when I went to college, I made up my mind. 192 00:10:18,550 --> 00:10:20,990 S2: I'm going to learn New Testament Greek. And in the 193 00:10:20,990 --> 00:10:24,950 S2: providence of God, I ended up replacing Kenneth Weiss as 194 00:10:24,950 --> 00:10:27,950 S2: the Greek teacher here at Moody. So all that to say, 195 00:10:28,150 --> 00:10:31,830 S2: I owe a lot to Moody. My conversion to the 196 00:10:31,830 --> 00:10:35,670 S2: Lord through the him. My love for Greek, studying the 197 00:10:35,670 --> 00:10:38,069 S2: New Testament in Greek from Kenneth with. And I think 198 00:10:38,070 --> 00:10:40,310 S2: that my 35 years of teaching here was a bit 199 00:10:40,309 --> 00:10:42,990 S2: of payback to the Lord for all the good that 200 00:10:42,990 --> 00:10:44,670 S2: this Institute has done for me. 201 00:10:45,030 --> 00:10:50,290 S1: Yeah, but Moody offered you a professorship, and you turned 202 00:10:50,290 --> 00:10:52,730 S1: him down. We got to hear that story. We also 203 00:10:52,730 --> 00:10:56,210 S1: have to hear the story of your involvement in the 204 00:10:56,210 --> 00:11:00,650 S1: 60s in the military. And then what Sue did, uh, 205 00:11:01,010 --> 00:11:04,650 S1: how she kind of, uh, really challenged you at a 206 00:11:04,690 --> 00:11:08,370 S1: at a pivotal time in your life. Second verse of 207 00:11:08,370 --> 00:11:13,650 S1: at Calvary. By God's word. At last, my sin, I learned. 208 00:11:14,050 --> 00:11:17,690 S1: Then I trembled at the law I'd spurned. Till my 209 00:11:17,730 --> 00:11:22,290 S1: guilty soul imploring turned to Calvary. Yes. So that's what 210 00:11:22,290 --> 00:11:24,810 S1: happened to you? That's it. And my hope is that 211 00:11:24,809 --> 00:11:27,610 S1: there's somebody listening here today, and the light's going to 212 00:11:27,610 --> 00:11:31,770 S1: go on for you as you listen to Doctor Ron Sauer. 213 00:11:31,970 --> 00:11:35,809 S1: We've got sweet Sue with us and also Sullivan Williams, 214 00:11:35,809 --> 00:11:39,690 S1: who's co-host of the new podcast Quiet Time with Doctor 215 00:11:39,690 --> 00:11:42,490 S1: Ron Sauer. Go to the website, sign up for it. 216 00:11:42,490 --> 00:11:46,100 S1: It's absolutely free. You can do that, Chris. Fabbri, Livorno. 217 00:11:46,780 --> 00:12:02,900 S1: Chris Fabbri, Livorno. We call this series Voices of Wisdom. 218 00:12:02,900 --> 00:12:04,900 S1: It's people who are a little bit further down the 219 00:12:04,900 --> 00:12:08,180 S1: trail than I am speaking into my life, and your 220 00:12:08,179 --> 00:12:11,859 S1: life as well. So we've invited Doctor Ron Sauer, who's 221 00:12:12,059 --> 00:12:15,020 S1: retired from Moody Bible Institute, but he has a new 222 00:12:15,179 --> 00:12:19,740 S1: podcast and the co-host of that, Sullivan Williams, also joining 223 00:12:19,740 --> 00:12:23,620 S1: with us today, Quiet Time with Doctor Ron Sauer. Go there. 224 00:12:23,660 --> 00:12:28,140 S1: Click through at Chris Dot. And as an added bonus, 225 00:12:28,179 --> 00:12:31,340 S1: we get the best. Sweet Sue Sauer is with us. 226 00:12:31,380 --> 00:12:33,660 S1: They've been married. Is it 55 years? Am I getting 227 00:12:33,660 --> 00:12:34,340 S1: that right? 228 00:12:34,380 --> 00:12:37,699 S4: 55, 54, 55th June fourth. 229 00:12:37,740 --> 00:12:41,500 S1: June 4th okay, almost 55 years. So take me back 230 00:12:41,500 --> 00:12:46,429 S1: to the 1960s. You finish college, Ron, and you decide 231 00:12:46,429 --> 00:12:48,270 S1: you're good. You weren't drafted, right? 232 00:12:48,309 --> 00:12:52,190 S2: No. Uh, as a as a college senior, I begin 233 00:12:52,190 --> 00:12:54,670 S2: seeking God's will about. Lord. What do I do? What 234 00:12:54,670 --> 00:12:57,350 S2: would you have me do after I graduate from college? 235 00:12:57,350 --> 00:12:59,750 S2: And Lord just laid the military on my heart. So 236 00:12:59,790 --> 00:13:03,550 S2: I began looking into that. Pursuing that, the conviction got 237 00:13:03,550 --> 00:13:06,589 S2: stronger and stronger, and the Lord opened the opportunity for 238 00:13:06,590 --> 00:13:09,510 S2: me to go to Officers Candidate School, US Marine Corps 239 00:13:09,510 --> 00:13:13,709 S2: in Quantico, Virginia. And I did, and after a year 240 00:13:13,750 --> 00:13:16,990 S2: of training, I volunteered to go to Vietnam, and I 241 00:13:16,990 --> 00:13:19,550 S2: was given orders to do that. And so I went. 242 00:13:19,590 --> 00:13:21,709 S1: Wait a minute, you volunteered. 243 00:13:21,750 --> 00:13:22,230 S2: I did. 244 00:13:22,350 --> 00:13:25,510 S1: A lot of people who went to Vietnam didn't volunteer. 245 00:13:25,750 --> 00:13:27,150 S1: They got drafted. 246 00:13:27,230 --> 00:13:31,790 S2: Correct. Yeah. But I had I had strong convictions about 247 00:13:31,790 --> 00:13:34,429 S2: the war in Vietnam. It was the north attack in 248 00:13:34,429 --> 00:13:36,870 S2: the South. The South didn't want to be communist. We 249 00:13:36,870 --> 00:13:41,950 S2: were in, um, treaty with the South to help defend them. 250 00:13:41,950 --> 00:13:44,040 S2: And so we need to live up to our treaty 251 00:13:44,440 --> 00:13:47,720 S2: to help them remain free from communist domination. So I 252 00:13:47,720 --> 00:13:50,280 S2: feel strongly about that. And what's more, I just sensed 253 00:13:50,280 --> 00:13:52,480 S2: the Lord wanted me to go into that in the 254 00:13:52,480 --> 00:13:55,040 S2: Marine Corps was very hard, but it was very good 255 00:13:55,040 --> 00:13:58,800 S2: for me. It was it really cultivated in me a 256 00:13:58,800 --> 00:14:03,800 S2: sense of assuming and handling responsibility. It helped me, uh, 257 00:14:03,880 --> 00:14:09,559 S2: keep my head level and straight in, in pressure situations, 258 00:14:09,559 --> 00:14:13,520 S2: dangerous situations. Um, it was just good for me in 259 00:14:13,880 --> 00:14:16,480 S2: a in a word, it made a man out of me. 260 00:14:17,200 --> 00:14:18,920 S1: What was your worst day in Vietnam? 261 00:14:21,000 --> 00:14:25,280 S2: I think, uh, the first day a bunch of us arrived. 262 00:14:26,000 --> 00:14:29,520 S2: It had been a long trip. 20 hours over. Everything 263 00:14:29,520 --> 00:14:33,000 S2: was new. It was Southeast Asia. It was strange to us. 264 00:14:33,320 --> 00:14:35,560 S2: And a friend, about 5 or 6 of us were 265 00:14:35,560 --> 00:14:39,080 S2: sitting at a table for dinner. And as we were talking, 266 00:14:39,120 --> 00:14:41,410 S2: somebody walked up and said, hey, do you all know 267 00:14:41,690 --> 00:14:44,050 S2: John Doe? And he said, yes, he was an officer 268 00:14:44,050 --> 00:14:46,850 S2: candidate school with us. Why? Well, he's just been ambushed 269 00:14:46,850 --> 00:14:49,850 S2: and killed in Vietnam. We already felt bad enough, but 270 00:14:49,850 --> 00:14:52,650 S2: when we learned that our friend had just been killed 271 00:14:52,650 --> 00:14:54,810 S2: and he was he was in our class, he was 272 00:14:54,810 --> 00:14:57,490 S2: just a few weeks ahead of us, then just put 273 00:14:57,490 --> 00:15:00,890 S2: a dark, gloomy cloud over our head. So that was 274 00:15:00,890 --> 00:15:04,090 S2: day one. Okay, hit the bottom on day one. So 275 00:15:04,090 --> 00:15:07,250 S2: every day after that had to be an increase. Things 276 00:15:07,250 --> 00:15:08,290 S2: got better and better. 277 00:15:08,810 --> 00:15:12,810 S1: Other than the last day when you got to leave, 278 00:15:12,850 --> 00:15:15,250 S1: what was the best day in Vietnam? 279 00:15:15,850 --> 00:15:27,850 S2: Um. I guess, I guess, um, being commended by my 280 00:15:27,850 --> 00:15:33,090 S2: regimental commander, a colonel, and being commended by the commanding 281 00:15:33,090 --> 00:15:37,770 S2: general of the third Marine Division. It was rare that somebody, 282 00:15:37,810 --> 00:15:40,900 S2: a lieutenant like me, would even come in contact with 283 00:15:40,900 --> 00:15:45,140 S2: the regimental and divisional commander. But I did, and both 284 00:15:45,140 --> 00:15:47,460 S2: of them commended me. And so it was sort of 285 00:15:47,500 --> 00:15:49,220 S2: like the Lord giving me a pat on the back 286 00:15:49,220 --> 00:15:50,940 S2: for a job well done. 287 00:15:51,380 --> 00:15:52,740 S1: Sue. Is that what you were thinking? 288 00:15:53,180 --> 00:15:58,020 S4: Well, I was thinking of, um, the fact that one 289 00:15:58,020 --> 00:16:00,620 S4: nine joined you instead of you having to join them. 290 00:16:01,420 --> 00:16:06,180 S2: Well that's true. And what she was referring to is, um, 291 00:16:06,420 --> 00:16:12,420 S2: I was assigned to the one outfit that had the 292 00:16:12,420 --> 00:16:16,540 S2: highest number of casualties in Vietnam, the first Battalion, ninth Marines, 293 00:16:16,580 --> 00:16:19,100 S2: third Marine Division. They had so many casualties, they were 294 00:16:19,100 --> 00:16:21,900 S2: called the Walking Dead. And when I learned that I 295 00:16:21,900 --> 00:16:26,700 S2: was going to them, fear just killed me. Nobody wanted 296 00:16:26,700 --> 00:16:28,660 S2: to go to one nine, but I didn't have any 297 00:16:28,700 --> 00:16:34,260 S2: say in the matter. Um, and so, um, I landed 298 00:16:34,260 --> 00:16:37,980 S2: all Marines going to Vietnam, had to land for a 299 00:16:38,030 --> 00:16:41,550 S2: day or two on the island of Okinawa. Store your 300 00:16:41,550 --> 00:16:44,750 S2: gear there and wait for your final flight, usually in 301 00:16:44,750 --> 00:16:47,630 S2: a day or two. So I landed on Okinawa like 302 00:16:47,630 --> 00:16:52,190 S2: everybody else did, and, uh, they herded us off the 303 00:16:52,190 --> 00:16:57,790 S2: airplane into a Quonset hut, about 250 military personnel. An 304 00:16:57,790 --> 00:17:00,270 S2: officer stood at the front, and one by one, he 305 00:17:00,270 --> 00:17:02,910 S2: called each man up and said, here are your final 306 00:17:02,910 --> 00:17:06,510 S2: orders to Vietnam. This is when your plane leaves Okinawa. Vietnam. 307 00:17:07,150 --> 00:17:09,150 S2: They got down to the last two men, me and 308 00:17:09,150 --> 00:17:11,949 S2: a jet pilot, and they called us both up together. 309 00:17:11,950 --> 00:17:15,790 S2: So I knew something was up. And the officer said, uh, 310 00:17:15,790 --> 00:17:18,030 S2: we know that you two both have orders to Vietnam. 311 00:17:18,030 --> 00:17:19,790 S2: We don't have any choice but to send you. And 312 00:17:19,790 --> 00:17:22,790 S2: we will. But we're pulling you aside for three days 313 00:17:22,830 --> 00:17:26,389 S2: additional duty. Your job will be to inspect Marines coming 314 00:17:26,390 --> 00:17:29,389 S2: out of Vietnam, headed to America to ensure they're not 315 00:17:29,430 --> 00:17:34,830 S2: taking to America any ammunition, any weapons, any body, parts 316 00:17:35,190 --> 00:17:38,610 S2: of the enemy that they mutilated their bodies, etc., etc.. 317 00:17:39,490 --> 00:17:42,330 S2: And so after three days, we're going to send you. Well, 318 00:17:42,369 --> 00:17:45,610 S2: I've inspected Marines for three days. I expected to go 319 00:17:45,609 --> 00:17:48,570 S2: on day four to Vietnam. And I kept going to 320 00:17:48,609 --> 00:17:51,210 S2: a certain office to check to see when my flight 321 00:17:51,210 --> 00:17:54,370 S2: to Vietnam was. And after a week of checking, they 322 00:17:54,369 --> 00:17:56,490 S2: didn't have me on the manifest to go to Vietnam. 323 00:17:56,490 --> 00:17:59,050 S2: So I asked the clerk, I've been coming up here 324 00:17:59,050 --> 00:18:00,770 S2: for seven days, seeing when you're going to send me 325 00:18:00,770 --> 00:18:02,889 S2: to Vietnam. You haven't sent me. I think you've lost 326 00:18:02,890 --> 00:18:05,129 S2: my card. And he laughed and said, Lieutenant, we don't 327 00:18:05,130 --> 00:18:07,250 S2: lose anybody's card. You keep coming up here. We're going 328 00:18:07,250 --> 00:18:09,770 S2: to have you on the flight any day. So I 329 00:18:09,810 --> 00:18:13,210 S2: checked another seven days, and on the seventh day there 330 00:18:13,210 --> 00:18:16,010 S2: was a sign saying all officers going to Vietnam report 331 00:18:16,050 --> 00:18:18,530 S2: to going to the third Marine Division, report to a 332 00:18:18,530 --> 00:18:21,010 S2: certain building. So I said, I see the sign I'm 333 00:18:21,050 --> 00:18:23,130 S2: going to report, but I don't want you to look 334 00:18:23,130 --> 00:18:25,010 S2: and see if you find my card. And he looked 335 00:18:25,010 --> 00:18:28,570 S2: and he said, we have no trace that you even exist. And, Lieutenant, 336 00:18:28,570 --> 00:18:30,050 S2: if you'd have kept your mouth shut, you could have 337 00:18:30,050 --> 00:18:32,530 S2: stayed on Okinawa for a year, missed the war. Then 338 00:18:32,530 --> 00:18:36,979 S2: we send you home. And so, um, I went to 339 00:18:37,020 --> 00:18:39,420 S2: the bill. I went to the building where, uh, I 340 00:18:39,460 --> 00:18:42,420 S2: had to report going to the third Marine Division. And 341 00:18:42,420 --> 00:18:44,659 S2: so I said, I'm Lieutenant Sauer. I'm being assigned to 342 00:18:44,660 --> 00:18:47,380 S2: the third Division. They said, yes, we know that. And 343 00:18:47,380 --> 00:18:51,060 S2: if you'll walk a mile down the road, your battalion 344 00:18:51,180 --> 00:18:55,500 S2: is just arriving from Vietnam. So I didn't have to 345 00:18:55,500 --> 00:18:58,340 S2: go to Vietnam to join the battalion. The battalion came 346 00:18:58,340 --> 00:19:01,700 S2: to Okinawa to join me. The the battalion had been 347 00:19:01,700 --> 00:19:04,940 S2: so shot up, and they were so depleted of personnel 348 00:19:04,940 --> 00:19:07,580 S2: that they pulled them out, sent them to Okinawa to 349 00:19:07,619 --> 00:19:11,179 S2: re outfit them with enough personnel to send them back. 350 00:19:11,820 --> 00:19:14,380 S2: And so that's probably the only time in history that 351 00:19:14,380 --> 00:19:18,260 S2: a battalion came and joined a marine, rather than the 352 00:19:18,260 --> 00:19:20,580 S2: marine being sent to join the battalion. 353 00:19:21,180 --> 00:19:22,139 S1: So, uh. 354 00:19:22,300 --> 00:19:24,420 S2: But I want to say, Chris, let me just say 355 00:19:24,420 --> 00:19:30,900 S2: one thing here. God deliberately had my card lost because 356 00:19:30,900 --> 00:19:33,220 S2: I only knew one other man in my company back 357 00:19:33,220 --> 00:19:36,030 S2: in the States who was assigned to the third Marine Division. 358 00:19:36,350 --> 00:19:39,629 S2: A good close friend. I got to I got to 359 00:19:39,670 --> 00:19:42,669 S2: Okinawa a few days before he did, but they pulled 360 00:19:42,670 --> 00:19:46,709 S2: me aside to inspect Marines coming back. Well, my friend 361 00:19:46,710 --> 00:19:49,350 S2: went on to Vietnam. We were going to the very 362 00:19:49,390 --> 00:19:53,310 S2: same outfit he was assigned to platoon. First time out, 363 00:19:53,310 --> 00:19:55,950 S2: he was ambushed and killed. That was my friend. That 364 00:19:55,950 --> 00:19:59,709 S2: could have been my platoon. But I was held back 365 00:19:59,710 --> 00:20:03,270 S2: because of a lost card. And I just have sensed 366 00:20:03,270 --> 00:20:05,910 S2: the hand of God in that. 367 00:20:06,310 --> 00:20:08,590 S1: I was going to ask you about the sovereignty of God. 368 00:20:08,630 --> 00:20:11,870 S1: And that's that's one place where you can see that. But, Sue, 369 00:20:11,910 --> 00:20:14,430 S1: there are there are men who came back from Vietnam 370 00:20:14,430 --> 00:20:17,109 S1: and they wouldn't talk and World War two and Korea 371 00:20:17,109 --> 00:20:19,190 S1: as well, but they wouldn't talk about these things. It 372 00:20:19,190 --> 00:20:22,470 S1: sounds like Ron shared a lot of this with you. 373 00:20:22,510 --> 00:20:22,990 S1: Did he? 374 00:20:24,470 --> 00:20:27,710 S4: He did. Um, and I was also a military child. 375 00:20:27,710 --> 00:20:31,870 S4: My dad was a marine, so I grew up moving 376 00:20:32,150 --> 00:20:36,080 S4: every time his orders changed, and also every two years 377 00:20:36,080 --> 00:20:41,239 S4: he spent like 18 months across the ocean somewhere. And 378 00:20:41,240 --> 00:20:45,040 S4: he was a marine Corps pilot in World War two 379 00:20:45,480 --> 00:20:46,480 S4: through Vietnam. 380 00:20:46,520 --> 00:20:48,800 S2: Korea, World War II, Korea and Vietnam. 381 00:20:49,960 --> 00:20:54,080 S1: And so when Ron came back, so you had met him. 382 00:20:54,480 --> 00:20:56,240 S1: Did you meet in high school, Sue? 383 00:20:56,280 --> 00:20:56,920 S4: College. 384 00:20:57,119 --> 00:21:00,920 S1: College. Okay. So you you knew him before he went 385 00:21:00,920 --> 00:21:04,359 S1: to Vietnam. When he came back, was he the same man? 386 00:21:05,560 --> 00:21:09,480 S4: He was down and dark and depressed a bit. And 387 00:21:09,840 --> 00:21:13,480 S4: I was really, really praying about it. And, um, I 388 00:21:13,480 --> 00:21:17,359 S4: was telling the Lord, okay, if, you know, he doesn't 389 00:21:18,000 --> 00:21:21,640 S4: become the man that I thought he was, you know, 390 00:21:21,680 --> 00:21:25,800 S4: I'm going to have to, you know, break up. So 391 00:21:26,800 --> 00:21:30,159 S4: the time came when he took me back from a 392 00:21:30,160 --> 00:21:33,810 S4: date and I asked him what happened to his zeal. 393 00:21:34,810 --> 00:21:35,970 S4: And you can answer hubby. 394 00:21:36,010 --> 00:21:39,090 S2: Well, she ought to know. Where has your interest in 395 00:21:39,130 --> 00:21:41,210 S2: the things of God gone? What's happened to your zeal 396 00:21:41,210 --> 00:21:42,689 S2: for the Bible? And I said, Sue, I can put 397 00:21:42,690 --> 00:21:45,290 S2: my finger right on the problem. I'm so irregular and 398 00:21:45,290 --> 00:21:47,370 S2: daily prayer. I'm so unfaithful in reading the Bible. And 399 00:21:47,369 --> 00:21:48,970 S2: she asked another question, what are you going to do 400 00:21:48,970 --> 00:21:54,330 S2: about it? Because I was so dissatisfied with life, I 401 00:21:54,330 --> 00:21:57,130 S2: was lukewarm. There wasn't any deliberate sin in my life. 402 00:21:57,170 --> 00:22:00,490 S2: She and I were maintaining a pure relationship. I was 403 00:22:00,490 --> 00:22:03,369 S2: just lukewarm. And I said, okay, I'm going to get 404 00:22:03,369 --> 00:22:06,210 S2: up 15 minutes early in the morning, and I'm going 405 00:22:06,210 --> 00:22:10,090 S2: to devote that time to brief prayer and study in 406 00:22:10,090 --> 00:22:12,689 S2: three verses in the Bible. And I rolled out of 407 00:22:12,690 --> 00:22:15,330 S2: bed 15 minutes ahead of schedule. The next morning, I 408 00:22:15,330 --> 00:22:16,970 S2: got dressed for the day of work, sit down at 409 00:22:16,970 --> 00:22:19,850 S2: my desk, open my Bible to Ephesians. Ephesians, I don't know, 410 00:22:19,850 --> 00:22:22,810 S2: I had to start somewhere. And I said, Lord, you're 411 00:22:22,810 --> 00:22:25,610 S2: my father. I'm your son, but I'm not happy. Now 412 00:22:25,609 --> 00:22:27,330 S2: I'm going to I'm going to read the first three 413 00:22:27,330 --> 00:22:30,700 S2: verses of Ephesians one. And as I do that, would 414 00:22:30,700 --> 00:22:32,939 S2: you please talk to me? Deal with me as a 415 00:22:32,940 --> 00:22:35,459 S2: dad who loves his boy. I didn't even know how 416 00:22:35,460 --> 00:22:37,260 S2: to study the Bible. All I knew to do was 417 00:22:37,260 --> 00:22:39,420 S2: read it and think about what it meant. And when 418 00:22:39,420 --> 00:22:42,140 S2: I finished those 15 minutes, I didn't feel a bit 419 00:22:42,140 --> 00:22:44,900 S2: better than I did before. Next morning, same thing. Up 420 00:22:44,900 --> 00:22:48,660 S2: 15 minutes early. Brief prayer. Uh, I studied as best 421 00:22:48,660 --> 00:22:51,820 S2: I could the next three verses. And when I finished, 422 00:22:51,820 --> 00:22:53,940 S2: I noticed no difference in my life at all. The 423 00:22:53,940 --> 00:22:57,740 S2: one thing I did correctly was to be consistent every 424 00:22:57,780 --> 00:23:01,340 S2: day without fail. And before I finish reading through Ephesians 425 00:23:01,340 --> 00:23:04,020 S2: three verses a day, I noticed a wee bit of 426 00:23:04,020 --> 00:23:06,300 S2: joy in my heart. It wasn't much, but that's more 427 00:23:06,300 --> 00:23:09,420 S2: joy than I had had before six months before that. 428 00:23:09,980 --> 00:23:13,580 S2: And so, long story short, that is where God turned 429 00:23:13,580 --> 00:23:17,140 S2: my life around when I began to feed and nourish 430 00:23:17,140 --> 00:23:20,180 S2: my soul on the Word of God. It just brought 431 00:23:20,180 --> 00:23:25,980 S2: about joy, peace, moral strength, eager anticipation for the future. 432 00:23:26,260 --> 00:23:29,429 S2: And I became passionate about the Bible. And then I realized, 433 00:23:29,430 --> 00:23:31,630 S2: I don't even know how to study the Bible. Now, 434 00:23:31,670 --> 00:23:34,350 S2: my time at, uh, in the Marine Corps was coming up. 435 00:23:34,350 --> 00:23:36,669 S2: We got married, and so I applied to go to 436 00:23:36,670 --> 00:23:39,710 S2: Dallas Seminary. I made a trip down to Dallas Seminary 437 00:23:39,710 --> 00:23:41,350 S2: to look the school over, and I went to the 438 00:23:41,350 --> 00:23:44,429 S2: admissions office, and the admissions office said, what part? What 439 00:23:44,430 --> 00:23:46,070 S2: kind of ministry do you want to go into? And 440 00:23:46,070 --> 00:23:47,990 S2: I said, oh, I'm not coming to go into the ministry. 441 00:23:47,990 --> 00:23:49,590 S2: I just want to come to seminary to learn how 442 00:23:49,590 --> 00:23:52,109 S2: to study the Bible. He shook his head and said, sorry, 443 00:23:52,150 --> 00:23:55,190 S2: we're not interested in students like you. I said, okay, 444 00:23:55,350 --> 00:23:58,230 S2: thank you. And I'm walking out of the admissions office. 445 00:23:58,230 --> 00:24:00,070 S2: And I said a quick prayer under my breath to 446 00:24:00,070 --> 00:24:02,870 S2: the Lord God, I thought you wanted me at Dallas Seminary, 447 00:24:02,869 --> 00:24:04,870 S2: but that man just told me, you don't, and I'm 448 00:24:04,869 --> 00:24:07,830 S2: okay with that. Lord, I just want to know your will. Uh, 449 00:24:08,030 --> 00:24:10,550 S2: open the door to go out of the admissions office. 450 00:24:10,550 --> 00:24:14,270 S2: And the only man I knew on campus was now 451 00:24:14,270 --> 00:24:19,070 S2: walking across past the missions office. Doctor. Uh, s Louis 452 00:24:19,109 --> 00:24:22,109 S2: Johnson Jr. He was a professor there. I knew him, 453 00:24:22,350 --> 00:24:25,910 S2: we knew each other from his wonderful summer Bible courses 454 00:24:25,910 --> 00:24:28,530 S2: on the Mississippi Gulf Coast that I attended as a 455 00:24:28,530 --> 00:24:31,890 S2: high school and college student. And he recognized my face 456 00:24:31,890 --> 00:24:34,330 S2: and he said, oh, were you coming here as a student? 457 00:24:34,330 --> 00:24:35,770 S2: And I said, well, I thought I was, but the 458 00:24:35,770 --> 00:24:39,130 S2: admissions officers told me, don't even bother to apply. And 459 00:24:39,130 --> 00:24:42,010 S2: he said, um, well, if God were to give you 460 00:24:42,010 --> 00:24:45,010 S2: a check and say, write on that check whatever you 461 00:24:45,010 --> 00:24:46,650 S2: want to do and I'll make it happen, what would 462 00:24:46,650 --> 00:24:48,970 S2: it be? And I said, I'd like to teach a Bible. 463 00:24:48,970 --> 00:24:52,890 S2: And he said, that's good enough. Uh, fill out an application. 464 00:24:53,130 --> 00:24:54,929 S2: Tell them you're interested in teaching the Bible. Send it 465 00:24:54,930 --> 00:24:58,490 S2: in and let God make that decision. That's the only 466 00:24:58,490 --> 00:25:03,770 S2: reason I sent an admissions application in, because he he 467 00:25:03,810 --> 00:25:09,730 S2: encouraged me to. After the official of the, um, application 468 00:25:09,730 --> 00:25:12,690 S2: office told me not to, and I went to Dallas Seminary. 469 00:25:12,690 --> 00:25:14,530 S2: It was wonderful for me. 470 00:25:14,730 --> 00:25:18,050 S1: The only thing that could make that story better, Doctor Sauer, 471 00:25:18,250 --> 00:25:21,290 S1: is if that fellow who is walking by also had 472 00:25:21,290 --> 00:25:24,330 S1: your card from Vietnam. He was the one who. He 473 00:25:24,330 --> 00:25:27,459 S1: was the one who took it. Okay. That isn't the story. 474 00:25:27,500 --> 00:25:29,100 S2: That he didn't have. Yeah, but but. 475 00:25:29,100 --> 00:25:31,340 S1: If you want to write a fictional story about it. Okay, 476 00:25:31,380 --> 00:25:34,100 S1: so let me take a break. This is so good, 477 00:25:34,100 --> 00:25:37,619 S1: doctor Ron. Sour sweet Sue is with us. Sullivan is 478 00:25:37,619 --> 00:25:42,060 S1: here as well. The podcast is up. It's active quiet 479 00:25:42,100 --> 00:25:45,140 S1: time with Doctor Ron Sour. We've got a link at Chris. 480 00:25:47,060 --> 00:26:04,420 S1: Chris favorite for more straight ahead on Moody Radio. At 481 00:26:04,420 --> 00:26:07,820 S1: the beginning of January, we did several programs on how 482 00:26:07,820 --> 00:26:10,780 S1: do I have a better devotional life? What do I do? 483 00:26:10,820 --> 00:26:14,300 S1: Do I read the Bible through all the Bible through 484 00:26:14,340 --> 00:26:17,460 S1: this year? And how do I do that? And so 485 00:26:17,500 --> 00:26:20,580 S1: when I heard about Quiet Time with Doctor Ron Sour, 486 00:26:20,619 --> 00:26:24,179 S1: the new podcast, there are three episodes out. Fourth is 487 00:26:24,180 --> 00:26:28,230 S1: going to drop on Tuesday. Uh, we have it linked there, Chris. 488 00:26:29,310 --> 00:26:30,869 S1: When I heard about that, I said we got to 489 00:26:30,869 --> 00:26:33,869 S1: get Ron in here, doctor Ron. And we got to 490 00:26:33,869 --> 00:26:36,350 S1: talk with him about his life and give some wisdom, 491 00:26:36,350 --> 00:26:39,630 S1: as well as how to study the scriptures. And we've 492 00:26:39,670 --> 00:26:43,709 S1: gotten past Vietnam and we've gotten into they've been married. 493 00:26:43,710 --> 00:26:46,470 S1: He and sweet Sue is joining us as well. Sullivan 494 00:26:46,470 --> 00:26:50,230 S1: Williams is the co-host of Quiet Time with Doctor Ron Sauer. 495 00:26:50,230 --> 00:26:53,430 S1: But I want to come back to this because, Sue, 496 00:26:53,470 --> 00:26:56,270 S1: you were the one who challenged Ron. You know, I 497 00:26:56,310 --> 00:26:59,470 S1: don't know if you're serious about this thing. And you 498 00:26:59,470 --> 00:27:02,389 S1: were going to break up with him, right? So did 499 00:27:02,390 --> 00:27:04,590 S1: he change what? What happened with that? 500 00:27:04,950 --> 00:27:08,629 S4: He did. I could tell. I mean, you know, the 501 00:27:08,630 --> 00:27:13,150 S4: Holy Spirit witnesses with your with another person's spirit that 502 00:27:13,190 --> 00:27:17,310 S4: they're back on track. Mhm. And, um, you know, he 503 00:27:17,310 --> 00:27:20,550 S4: started sharing with me some of the things. And so 504 00:27:20,550 --> 00:27:23,070 S4: we were able to talk about the Scripture and talk 505 00:27:23,200 --> 00:27:24,720 S4: about the meaning in our lives. 506 00:27:25,040 --> 00:27:26,320 S1: Did he get down on one knee? 507 00:27:26,520 --> 00:27:27,280 S4: Not yet. 508 00:27:28,760 --> 00:27:30,800 S1: How did he propose to you? What did he. What 509 00:27:30,800 --> 00:27:31,399 S1: did he say? 510 00:27:31,680 --> 00:27:32,520 S4: Oh, well. 511 00:27:33,240 --> 00:27:35,240 S2: December. Christmas Eve. 512 00:27:36,000 --> 00:27:39,760 S4: That was, uh. Yeah. When we. He put the ring 513 00:27:39,800 --> 00:27:44,320 S4: on my finger. But the ring was already around my heart. 514 00:27:46,800 --> 00:27:48,720 S1: What do you mean by that? It was already around 515 00:27:48,720 --> 00:27:51,040 S1: your heart. You were committed to him already, you mean. 516 00:27:51,080 --> 00:27:55,480 S4: Well, I just had no desire to date anybody else. 517 00:27:55,480 --> 00:28:01,640 S4: He he was, I was, my mother said, oh, Sue, 518 00:28:01,760 --> 00:28:03,840 S4: you know, in your first year teaching. Why in the 519 00:28:03,840 --> 00:28:07,679 S4: world are you just staying home in the evenings? Um, 520 00:28:07,720 --> 00:28:10,560 S4: you know, there's a very fine young man that I 521 00:28:10,600 --> 00:28:13,719 S4: would like to introduce you to. And I said, mother, I, 522 00:28:14,200 --> 00:28:17,400 S4: I have a ring around my heart. I've no desire 523 00:28:17,400 --> 00:28:18,520 S4: for any other man. 524 00:28:19,880 --> 00:28:23,689 S1: So, Ron, how do you know that? Talk. Talk to 525 00:28:23,730 --> 00:28:26,609 S1: the younger people who are listening right now who say, 526 00:28:26,650 --> 00:28:30,490 S1: I want to find that person. Is there just is 527 00:28:30,490 --> 00:28:33,450 S1: there just one person? And if you choose wrong, you're 528 00:28:33,450 --> 00:28:35,410 S1: going to go wrong with the rest of your life. 529 00:28:35,570 --> 00:28:40,770 S2: God brought one woman to Adam. God brought one woman 530 00:28:40,770 --> 00:28:45,050 S2: to Isaac. God brought one woman to me. I think 531 00:28:45,050 --> 00:28:48,850 S2: God has a specific purpose plan for our life. I 532 00:28:48,850 --> 00:28:52,729 S2: think God choose. God chose my father. He chose my mother. 533 00:28:52,730 --> 00:28:57,170 S2: He determined my gender, my looks, my level of intelligence, 534 00:28:57,170 --> 00:28:59,969 S2: what country I'd be in. God is sovereign. God has 535 00:28:59,970 --> 00:29:01,690 S2: made a lot of decisions about me and I think 536 00:29:01,690 --> 00:29:05,010 S2: God chose my wife. Now you raise the question. Suppose 537 00:29:05,010 --> 00:29:08,730 S2: I disobeyed God and refused to marry Sue? Uh, I 538 00:29:08,770 --> 00:29:13,330 S2: think that, uh, we can't always explain the sovereignty of God, 539 00:29:13,330 --> 00:29:16,490 S2: but I think that should something like that happen, God 540 00:29:16,490 --> 00:29:19,290 S2: prepares one woman and brings him to the man. And 541 00:29:19,290 --> 00:29:22,100 S2: for some reason, the man refused to marry her. Well, 542 00:29:22,100 --> 00:29:25,300 S2: God will take care of her. And I believe that 543 00:29:25,300 --> 00:29:29,380 S2: if the man repents later, God will take care of him. 544 00:29:29,660 --> 00:29:34,100 S2: And I do know of an instance where that happened in, uh, 545 00:29:34,100 --> 00:29:39,100 S2: the couple. Uh, so the man who rejected the wife 546 00:29:39,100 --> 00:29:41,300 S2: God had for him did eventually get married, and he 547 00:29:41,300 --> 00:29:44,580 S2: had a good marriage. I just don't think it was 548 00:29:44,620 --> 00:29:48,460 S2: as good as the the one that God originally wanted 549 00:29:48,460 --> 00:29:51,420 S2: to give him. So I don't think that our sins 550 00:29:51,420 --> 00:29:53,420 S2: mess up the sovereignty of God. 551 00:29:54,620 --> 00:29:56,180 S1: He actually uses them. 552 00:29:56,220 --> 00:29:57,620 S2: That's right, he does. 553 00:29:57,900 --> 00:30:01,140 S1: With Joseph, you know, he used his brothers even though 554 00:30:01,180 --> 00:30:03,700 S1: he didn't wish ill on Joseph. But they threw him 555 00:30:03,700 --> 00:30:05,820 S1: in the pit and he goes down to to Potter 556 00:30:05,820 --> 00:30:08,100 S1: for and you see what happens and it and it 557 00:30:08,140 --> 00:30:10,780 S1: winds up being the salvation of the whole family. 558 00:30:10,820 --> 00:30:13,860 S2: That's right. So God is God is so sovereign. He 559 00:30:13,860 --> 00:30:18,380 S2: can even use evil and evil people to accomplish his will. 560 00:30:19,200 --> 00:30:23,160 S1: Selvan the the podcast that I've only seen the first three, 561 00:30:23,280 --> 00:30:26,400 S1: but the podcast does the very thing that we're doing here. 562 00:30:26,400 --> 00:30:28,479 S1: It talks mainly about, okay, how do I have a 563 00:30:28,480 --> 00:30:31,800 S1: quiet time? But then you get all these stories along 564 00:30:31,800 --> 00:30:32,960 S1: the side, right? 565 00:30:33,000 --> 00:30:37,680 S3: Oh, absolutely. Yeah. I think the the idea is, um, 566 00:30:37,680 --> 00:30:40,760 S3: I'm a lot younger than Doctor Sauer. I'm of a 567 00:30:40,760 --> 00:30:45,480 S3: different generation. But when I originally started my own podcast 568 00:30:45,520 --> 00:30:48,800 S3: a couple of years ago, the whole idea was, I 569 00:30:48,800 --> 00:30:52,040 S3: want to glean wisdom from people who've been consistent in 570 00:30:52,080 --> 00:30:56,000 S3: their lives. And, uh, so what we do in the 571 00:30:56,000 --> 00:30:59,840 S3: podcast is kind of pick a topic, and then I 572 00:30:59,880 --> 00:31:02,120 S3: probe Doctor Sauer about it. 573 00:31:03,160 --> 00:31:06,640 S1: Yeah. And one of those is when your life unravels. 574 00:31:06,640 --> 00:31:09,240 S1: I think that was the third. Right. 575 00:31:09,280 --> 00:31:13,320 S3: Or I think the third was, uh, discipline or discipleship. 576 00:31:13,320 --> 00:31:19,250 S3: I can't remember which one came third, but, uh, you know, 577 00:31:19,250 --> 00:31:23,610 S3: it was, uh, discipline because Doctor Sauer said without that, 578 00:31:23,890 --> 00:31:27,850 S3: his life unravels. Yeah. And, uh, that's another thing Doctor 579 00:31:27,850 --> 00:31:32,210 S3: Sauer is known for. So I think for me, it's 580 00:31:32,210 --> 00:31:34,690 S3: really an honor to be able to do this for 581 00:31:34,690 --> 00:31:38,090 S3: my job, to get to ask Doctor Sauer questions and 582 00:31:38,090 --> 00:31:40,530 S3: just sit with him once a week for an hour 583 00:31:40,530 --> 00:31:43,810 S3: and a half and just probe his mind and his heart. 584 00:31:43,810 --> 00:31:48,170 S3: And I think the refreshing thing is, we were recording 585 00:31:48,170 --> 00:31:53,170 S3: a podcast earlier and he said, I was saying, do 586 00:31:53,170 --> 00:31:58,410 S3: you think the Christian niceness that we feel the pressure 587 00:31:58,410 --> 00:32:00,489 S3: to every time somebody says, how are you doing? Oh, 588 00:32:00,530 --> 00:32:04,530 S3: I'm good, gets in the way of true connection. And 589 00:32:04,530 --> 00:32:06,770 S3: he was like, yeah, I do. I would much prefer 590 00:32:06,810 --> 00:32:08,850 S3: somebody be honest with me and tell me what they're 591 00:32:08,850 --> 00:32:14,050 S3: really feeling. And, um, that's the thing I really appreciate 592 00:32:14,050 --> 00:32:17,860 S3: about him is he doesn't sugarcoat it. And even when 593 00:32:17,860 --> 00:32:22,100 S3: you were asking him earlier about his quiet time. So he. 594 00:32:22,140 --> 00:32:25,900 S3: You know, I knew him before I ever met him 595 00:32:26,180 --> 00:32:30,340 S3: from his rigorous devotional life. I heard about this professor 596 00:32:30,340 --> 00:32:33,219 S3: who woke up at 2 a.m., studied the Bible for 597 00:32:33,220 --> 00:32:37,660 S3: a couple hours, came into campus, prayed over his classroom, 598 00:32:38,220 --> 00:32:41,660 S3: and then met with students before and after his classes. 599 00:32:41,980 --> 00:32:45,979 S3: And to me, that was amazing. And, um, but the 600 00:32:45,980 --> 00:32:50,380 S3: thing is, he told you just last segment about he 601 00:32:50,380 --> 00:32:56,180 S3: didn't start feeling that joy. He set that expectation of 602 00:32:56,700 --> 00:32:59,380 S3: it took a while. And even when he started to 603 00:32:59,420 --> 00:33:04,100 S3: feel that joy, it was small. And I think setting 604 00:33:04,100 --> 00:33:07,780 S3: the proper expectations has a lot to do with why 605 00:33:08,540 --> 00:33:11,380 S3: young Christians get so disillusioned in life. 606 00:33:11,460 --> 00:33:15,430 S1: Um, that will speak to somebody today. Because when I 607 00:33:15,470 --> 00:33:18,350 S1: heard you say that Doctor Sauer, I thought, uh, growing 608 00:33:18,350 --> 00:33:20,630 S1: up on a farm, what? What the Word of God 609 00:33:20,630 --> 00:33:23,830 S1: will do for you is like priming a pump. You 610 00:33:23,870 --> 00:33:25,830 S1: got to pour water in in order to get the 611 00:33:25,830 --> 00:33:28,310 S1: water to bubble up and come back out. And that's 612 00:33:28,310 --> 00:33:30,750 S1: what you reading Ephesians. And then you went on to 613 00:33:30,790 --> 00:33:35,030 S1: Philippians that created this hunger, this like, I've got to 614 00:33:35,030 --> 00:33:36,350 S1: have more of this, right? 615 00:33:36,390 --> 00:33:40,310 S2: That's exactly right. Uh, I started 15 minutes. The next book, 616 00:33:40,350 --> 00:33:43,030 S2: I increased it to 30 minutes, and the next book, 617 00:33:43,030 --> 00:33:46,830 S2: 45 minutes. The next book. 60 minutes. Now get up 618 00:33:46,830 --> 00:33:49,550 S2: 2:00 in the morning, two hours of Bible study. Then 619 00:33:49,750 --> 00:33:53,670 S2: at 11:00, uh, two more hours of Bible study, 6 p.m., 620 00:33:53,710 --> 00:33:56,790 S2: another two hours of Bible study. Now, I'm not advocating 621 00:33:56,790 --> 00:34:00,430 S2: that for anybody, but for me, the Lord has just 622 00:34:00,430 --> 00:34:03,590 S2: increased my hunger. I wanted more and more and that 623 00:34:03,590 --> 00:34:06,229 S2: took more and more time. So God's called me to 624 00:34:06,270 --> 00:34:08,830 S2: study the Bible. And if I can just encourage people 625 00:34:08,830 --> 00:34:12,469 S2: to have one Bible study a day on a consistent basis, 626 00:34:12,469 --> 00:34:15,759 S2: I'm satisfied. I'm happy with that. Most people don't need 627 00:34:15,760 --> 00:34:19,680 S2: any more than that, but it just grew from 15 minutes. Now, 628 00:34:19,880 --> 00:34:23,760 S2: way back to now. Six hours a day studying the word. 629 00:34:23,920 --> 00:34:27,000 S1: Do you? Now you're retired. I am. So you do 630 00:34:27,000 --> 00:34:29,320 S1: not have to get up at 2:00 in order to 631 00:34:29,360 --> 00:34:32,040 S1: do everything until you come in. Do you still you 632 00:34:32,040 --> 00:34:33,560 S1: don't get up at 2:00 anymore? 633 00:34:33,600 --> 00:34:34,360 S2: I sure do. 634 00:34:34,600 --> 00:34:35,040 S1: No. 635 00:34:35,080 --> 00:34:36,560 S2: Yeah I do. I got up late. 636 00:34:37,040 --> 00:34:38,920 S1: Do you set your alarm, though? 637 00:34:39,000 --> 00:34:41,640 S2: Uh, no. I've got an alarm in my head that 638 00:34:41,640 --> 00:34:44,120 S2: goes off. I see. 639 00:34:44,920 --> 00:34:45,480 S1: Shaking her. 640 00:34:45,480 --> 00:34:49,040 S2: Head. Here's the thing. I retired 2 to 2 and 641 00:34:49,040 --> 00:34:51,520 S2: a half years ago, but my wife and I believe 642 00:34:51,520 --> 00:34:54,040 S2: we are at the top of our game. We have 643 00:34:54,040 --> 00:34:57,040 S2: more to offer people now than in any other time 644 00:34:57,040 --> 00:35:00,359 S2: in our life. Why? Older, more experienced, more knowledgeable? We 645 00:35:00,400 --> 00:35:04,040 S2: made sufficient mistakes. We've learned from them. We and and 646 00:35:04,040 --> 00:35:06,719 S2: so we've got more to offer people now. Why quit? 647 00:35:06,840 --> 00:35:08,720 S2: I don't want to. I don't have the typical American 648 00:35:08,719 --> 00:35:11,520 S2: retirement where we watch TV all day, walk around the 649 00:35:11,520 --> 00:35:14,530 S2: block and fly to Paris and look at the Eiffel Tower. 650 00:35:14,690 --> 00:35:17,609 S2: We want to be involved with people. And so that's 651 00:35:17,610 --> 00:35:20,770 S2: what we're doing. We spent a lot of time counseling, 652 00:35:20,770 --> 00:35:25,130 S2: couples mentoring. A mentor fellow, she mentors girls. In fact, 653 00:35:25,250 --> 00:35:28,610 S2: for the last 25 years on the on the faculty here. 654 00:35:28,890 --> 00:35:31,850 S2: I asked Sue, please give me your day off once 655 00:35:31,850 --> 00:35:33,690 S2: a week and come and spend the day with me 656 00:35:33,690 --> 00:35:36,290 S2: at Moody and help me with the young women. I'll 657 00:35:36,290 --> 00:35:39,529 S2: counsel and mentor the fellows, please. You counsel and mentor 658 00:35:39,530 --> 00:35:42,170 S2: the girls. So Sue would come down here on Monday 659 00:35:42,170 --> 00:35:45,370 S2: and begin counseling girls at 6 a.m. and go 13 660 00:35:45,370 --> 00:35:49,330 S2: straight hours till 7 p.m. for 25 years. And she 661 00:35:49,330 --> 00:35:52,410 S2: was a huge help with me. I've had girls ask 662 00:35:52,410 --> 00:35:54,529 S2: me to disciple them. What does the Bible say? Let 663 00:35:54,530 --> 00:35:57,610 S2: the older women teach the younger women. The best teacher 664 00:35:57,610 --> 00:36:00,410 S2: of women is a woman. And so I got her help. 665 00:36:00,650 --> 00:36:05,170 S2: Now Sue and I really loved Psalm 92, where it likens, uh, 666 00:36:05,170 --> 00:36:08,609 S2: a believer, an older believer, to a palm tree. Palm 667 00:36:08,610 --> 00:36:11,779 S2: tree doesn't start bearing fruit till age 30, but it 668 00:36:11,780 --> 00:36:15,859 S2: bears fruit up through a hundred. Well, we're 79. I'm 669 00:36:15,860 --> 00:36:18,299 S2: asking God, give us another 21 years. We want to 670 00:36:18,300 --> 00:36:21,700 S2: be that palm tree that's fruitful up through year 100. 671 00:36:21,739 --> 00:36:23,420 S2: Then when we reach 100, we're ready to die and 672 00:36:23,420 --> 00:36:24,100 S2: go to heaven. 673 00:36:24,420 --> 00:36:27,899 S1: And part of that fruit then, is this podcast that 674 00:36:27,900 --> 00:36:33,260 S1: has just been produced and is continuing. The three episodes 675 00:36:33,260 --> 00:36:35,819 S1: are out Quiet Time with Doctor Ron Sauer. You can 676 00:36:35,860 --> 00:36:39,100 S1: sign up for it. You can see when they come out, 677 00:36:39,420 --> 00:36:41,899 S1: just go to Chris Fabry. Org. We've got a link 678 00:36:41,900 --> 00:36:44,859 S1: right there. Uh, you know who I hear coming through 679 00:36:44,900 --> 00:36:48,700 S1: your voice, Doctor Sauer, is when you'll, uh. What is 680 00:36:49,260 --> 00:36:52,980 S1: such and such happens? Why? You'll ask? It's like your 681 00:36:52,980 --> 00:36:56,100 S1: is Doctor Thrasher. Doctor Bill Thrasher. He would. He would 682 00:36:56,140 --> 00:36:59,460 S1: say a statement, and then he'd say, why? Why is that? Well, 683 00:36:59,460 --> 00:37:01,900 S1: and then he'd answer the question, and you just did that. 684 00:37:01,940 --> 00:37:05,380 S1: Maybe that's that. Uh, Mississippi. Alabama. No going on? 685 00:37:05,420 --> 00:37:09,260 S2: No, there's something else. He is my best friend. We 686 00:37:09,260 --> 00:37:13,800 S2: Is he? We've been real close to each other since 1974. 687 00:37:14,840 --> 00:37:17,480 S2: And so he flew over to England 2 or 3 688 00:37:17,480 --> 00:37:20,120 S2: times to visit me and spend time with me. He's 689 00:37:20,120 --> 00:37:23,680 S2: a wonderful fellow. I just think Doctor Thrasher is the 690 00:37:23,680 --> 00:37:27,480 S2: most spiritual, godly man on this campus. Very close is 691 00:37:27,480 --> 00:37:28,160 S2: the one. 692 00:37:28,200 --> 00:37:31,080 S1: He is the one who suggested you consider Moody studying 693 00:37:31,080 --> 00:37:33,080 S1: at Moody or I mean teaching Moody. 694 00:37:33,120 --> 00:37:34,840 S2: He did? Yeah. Yeah. He did. 695 00:37:35,120 --> 00:37:37,680 S1: Now, here's the big question about him, though. Has he 696 00:37:37,680 --> 00:37:39,520 S1: made you an Auburn fan? 697 00:37:39,760 --> 00:37:42,680 S2: No, I'm trying to make him an Ole Miss fan. 698 00:37:44,000 --> 00:37:46,239 S1: Okay, so now we've got the conflict in there. All right, 699 00:37:46,239 --> 00:37:48,600 S1: we'll take our final break. You've got to go see 700 00:37:48,600 --> 00:37:52,239 S1: this with Sullivan and Doctor Sauer. And I bet Sue 701 00:37:52,280 --> 00:37:55,080 S1: will come along here at some point in that quiet 702 00:37:55,120 --> 00:37:58,680 S1: time with Doctor Ron Sauer. It's a new podcast. You'll 703 00:37:58,680 --> 00:38:04,360 S1: see it at link for it at Chris. Chris Fabry live. 704 00:38:05,600 --> 00:38:19,010 S1: More straight ahead on Moody Radio. All right. Sullivan Williams 705 00:38:19,010 --> 00:38:22,570 S1: is co-host of Quiet Time with Doctor Ron Sauer. Doctor 706 00:38:22,570 --> 00:38:28,210 S1: Ron Sauer teaches. He's the subject. He's Moody Bible Institute 707 00:38:28,210 --> 00:38:32,890 S1: retired and sweet Sue, his wife, who's walked beside him 708 00:38:32,890 --> 00:38:37,370 S1: for 54, almost 55 years now, is joining us. This 709 00:38:37,370 --> 00:38:40,489 S1: is a Voice of Wisdom broadcast. I just mentioned to 710 00:38:40,530 --> 00:38:43,850 S1: you when I went to Moody. When I came to Moody, 711 00:38:43,890 --> 00:38:46,529 S1: I really had this desire to I want to do 712 00:38:46,530 --> 00:38:49,130 S1: what God wants me to do. And doctor Bill, Marty 713 00:38:49,130 --> 00:38:53,010 S1: was one of the people who was also was in Vietnam. Yes. 714 00:38:53,050 --> 00:38:57,169 S1: As you know, Doctor Sauer, um, and he he came 715 00:38:57,170 --> 00:39:00,609 S1: alongside me and because I was, you know, I'd be 716 00:39:00,610 --> 00:39:04,810 S1: a pastor or missions or do teaching. What what is it? 717 00:39:04,810 --> 00:39:07,540 S1: Because I felt like God could only use you if 718 00:39:07,540 --> 00:39:10,060 S1: you did something like that. You know, teach or preach 719 00:39:10,100 --> 00:39:13,700 S1: or whatever. And Doctor Marty said, so you've had you've 720 00:39:13,700 --> 00:39:18,380 S1: had a background in, in news and radio and writing, 721 00:39:18,420 --> 00:39:21,620 S1: is it don't you think God can use that? It's like, well, 722 00:39:21,620 --> 00:39:24,500 S1: I guess maybe he can. And so he kind of 723 00:39:24,540 --> 00:39:30,419 S1: channeled me toward, okay, just surrender whatever gift you have 724 00:39:30,460 --> 00:39:32,980 S1: back to him and let him do it. And I 725 00:39:32,980 --> 00:39:35,580 S1: feel like that's one of the things that a place 726 00:39:35,580 --> 00:39:39,140 S1: like Moody Bible Institute does. It gives you a different 727 00:39:39,140 --> 00:39:41,339 S1: vision for your life. Do you agree with that? 728 00:39:41,380 --> 00:39:43,860 S2: Yes. There are more people who can do what I 729 00:39:43,860 --> 00:39:46,460 S2: do and less people who can do what you do. 730 00:39:46,460 --> 00:39:51,340 S2: So you're especially needed in, in, uh, that area. Mm. 731 00:39:52,180 --> 00:39:56,819 S1: Um, Sullivan, what is your hope for this podcast? What 732 00:39:56,820 --> 00:39:59,700 S1: do you hope? Uh, who is the the main person 733 00:39:59,700 --> 00:40:02,740 S1: that you. Is it somebody in your age group looking, 734 00:40:02,780 --> 00:40:04,859 S1: watching this and digging into scripture? 735 00:40:05,750 --> 00:40:08,430 S3: Well, I don't want this to sound self-centered, but whenever 736 00:40:08,430 --> 00:40:11,270 S3: I try to make something or produce something, I try 737 00:40:11,310 --> 00:40:13,189 S3: to make it in such a way that I would 738 00:40:13,190 --> 00:40:15,750 S3: enjoy it if I didn't, you know, if I wasn't 739 00:40:15,750 --> 00:40:21,190 S3: involved in it. And I'm just attracted by learning from 740 00:40:21,469 --> 00:40:24,150 S3: older people who have a lot of experience in a 741 00:40:24,150 --> 00:40:29,549 S3: given area. And so I think anyone young or old 742 00:40:29,550 --> 00:40:34,029 S3: can learn from this, because Doctor Sauer has a unique 743 00:40:34,150 --> 00:40:39,910 S3: devotional life, a unique testimony, a unique marriage, a unique 744 00:40:39,910 --> 00:40:47,430 S3: experience discipling students for 35 plus years. So really, just 745 00:40:47,430 --> 00:40:50,549 S3: anyone who wants to grow in the Christian life and 746 00:40:50,830 --> 00:40:53,230 S3: wants to be a fly on the wall, on a 747 00:40:53,230 --> 00:40:58,910 S3: conversation of a younger man asking an older man, uh, advice, 748 00:40:59,350 --> 00:41:04,640 S3: stories from his past and, uh, his experience dealing with 749 00:41:04,640 --> 00:41:12,279 S3: different topics such as dating, marriage, discipline, reading the Bible, prayer, 750 00:41:12,880 --> 00:41:15,520 S3: all of those things, and many more. And each of 751 00:41:15,520 --> 00:41:22,080 S3: those has subcategories there. But really, it's just I just love, uh, 752 00:41:22,080 --> 00:41:25,080 S3: overhearing conversations of. 753 00:41:25,120 --> 00:41:28,280 S1: You know what it is. Sullivan. It is. It's like 754 00:41:28,320 --> 00:41:31,719 S1: a video discipleship course where, like you say, you're a 755 00:41:31,719 --> 00:41:34,799 S1: fly on the wall. I'm watching Doctor Sower kind of 756 00:41:34,840 --> 00:41:37,319 S1: pour into you, and you're asking him this, and he says, well, 757 00:41:37,320 --> 00:41:39,840 S1: let me tell you about that. So it is this 758 00:41:39,840 --> 00:41:44,680 S1: very easy way to see. Oh, wow, that, that's that's 759 00:41:44,680 --> 00:41:46,840 S1: how you do that. That's how you live that out. 760 00:41:46,920 --> 00:41:49,879 S1: So let me turn to you, Doctor Sower. Uh, what 761 00:41:49,880 --> 00:41:53,560 S1: has surprised you? You just said that you have, you know, vim, 762 00:41:53,560 --> 00:41:55,720 S1: vigor and vitality. You're going to go at least 21 763 00:41:55,719 --> 00:41:58,920 S1: more years. What has surprised you about aging? 764 00:41:59,920 --> 00:42:05,089 S2: Um. On one hand, even though I'm 79 years old, 765 00:42:05,090 --> 00:42:08,050 S2: I feel so good. I feel like I'm 29 years 766 00:42:08,050 --> 00:42:11,290 S2: old now. I have aches and pains that I now 767 00:42:11,290 --> 00:42:15,450 S2: at 79, I didn't have 29, but nevertheless, my enthusiasm 768 00:42:15,690 --> 00:42:20,010 S2: is such that I just am delighting in life, studying 769 00:42:20,010 --> 00:42:25,410 S2: the Bible, uh, living with my wife, ministering to people, preaching, uh, 770 00:42:25,410 --> 00:42:28,650 S2: counseling people. And one of the things I've said to 771 00:42:28,690 --> 00:42:31,330 S2: Moody students is you don't have to invent the wheel. 772 00:42:31,450 --> 00:42:33,730 S2: Latch on to an older man. Latch on to an 773 00:42:33,730 --> 00:42:37,090 S2: older woman if you're a female, and let them speed 774 00:42:37,090 --> 00:42:38,930 S2: up your learning curve. And if you don't, it'll take 775 00:42:38,930 --> 00:42:41,170 S2: you 40 years to learn what they can teach you 776 00:42:41,210 --> 00:42:46,370 S2: much more quickly. If you're a couple. Dating, engaged, married. Um, 777 00:42:46,489 --> 00:42:49,170 S2: don't do romance by yourself. It's too hard. Find an 778 00:42:49,170 --> 00:42:51,089 S2: older couple who had the two things you want a 779 00:42:51,090 --> 00:42:54,170 S2: good relationship with Christ and a happy marriage. Put yourself 780 00:42:54,170 --> 00:42:56,770 S2: onto them. Find out how they walk with God. Find 781 00:42:56,770 --> 00:42:59,090 S2: out how they have such a good marriage. You don't 782 00:42:59,090 --> 00:43:01,210 S2: have to learn everything from scratch. 783 00:43:01,820 --> 00:43:04,660 S1: What's the biggest leap of faith you've ever had to take? 784 00:43:06,660 --> 00:43:11,740 S2: Um. I suppose on one hand, going to Vietnam knowing 785 00:43:11,739 --> 00:43:15,700 S2: I could easily be killed and just hold holding sweet 786 00:43:15,739 --> 00:43:18,020 S2: Sue in an open palm. We wanted to get married 787 00:43:18,020 --> 00:43:21,020 S2: before I went, but it just seemed we knew we 788 00:43:21,020 --> 00:43:23,740 S2: weren't ready and I was not going to marry Sue 789 00:43:23,780 --> 00:43:27,980 S2: and leave a young bride behind with a baby on 790 00:43:27,980 --> 00:43:31,340 S2: the way and no husband, no father for that baby. 791 00:43:31,380 --> 00:43:33,419 S2: I wasn't I wasn't going to do that. And so 792 00:43:33,420 --> 00:43:35,980 S2: we just trust we held each other in an open palm. 793 00:43:36,020 --> 00:43:37,500 S2: I knew there was a good chance I'd be killed, 794 00:43:37,500 --> 00:43:41,180 S2: but we trusted God with that. And then later, when 795 00:43:41,180 --> 00:43:44,140 S2: I had a bad case of cancer and the doctor 796 00:43:44,140 --> 00:43:46,020 S2: said it may have already spread it in your bones 797 00:43:46,020 --> 00:43:50,100 S2: and we can't save you. I just took to heart. 798 00:43:50,100 --> 00:43:53,580 S2: John 335 the Father loves the son and is entrusted 799 00:43:53,580 --> 00:43:56,340 S2: all things into his hand. Well, I'm part of all things. 800 00:43:56,500 --> 00:43:58,660 S2: I was in the hand of Christ. I could not 801 00:43:58,660 --> 00:44:01,360 S2: be in better hands. And I came to the place 802 00:44:01,640 --> 00:44:04,560 S2: that the Lord has done everything well, and that if 803 00:44:04,560 --> 00:44:06,880 S2: I he sends me to an early grave, I will 804 00:44:06,880 --> 00:44:11,560 S2: trust him. He knows what's best in his will. I 805 00:44:11,600 --> 00:44:14,239 S2: found my peace in one sense. I didn't care what 806 00:44:14,320 --> 00:44:16,399 S2: God wanted me to do, whether I lived or not. 807 00:44:16,440 --> 00:44:18,319 S2: I just knew that whatever he decided would be the 808 00:44:18,320 --> 00:44:21,160 S2: best for me and those that were affected by me. 809 00:44:21,160 --> 00:44:24,000 S2: So just trusting God with that. And lo and behold, 810 00:44:24,040 --> 00:44:28,319 S2: they barely got the cancer out of me before it 811 00:44:28,360 --> 00:44:31,640 S2: went all over my body by half, less than half 812 00:44:31,680 --> 00:44:34,120 S2: a millimeter, it was about to bust out of my 813 00:44:34,120 --> 00:44:37,560 S2: prostate and spread. And I just trusted the Lord with that. 814 00:44:38,400 --> 00:44:38,759 S2: Look at. 815 00:44:38,760 --> 00:44:43,319 S1: That. Is there look back in your life. Was there 816 00:44:43,320 --> 00:44:46,400 S1: a book that you read other than the Bible? And 817 00:44:46,440 --> 00:44:49,200 S1: can we list some of his books? Was there a 818 00:44:49,200 --> 00:44:53,200 S1: book that you read that really turned the light on 819 00:44:53,200 --> 00:44:55,160 S1: for you that you say, yeah, that was a turning 820 00:44:55,160 --> 00:44:55,880 S1: point for me. 821 00:44:55,920 --> 00:45:00,730 S2: Well, the the turning point really came from God's Word. 822 00:45:00,730 --> 00:45:04,810 S2: But a book other than the Bible would be a 823 00:45:04,850 --> 00:45:07,569 S2: biography of J. Hudson Taylor because when I came back 824 00:45:07,570 --> 00:45:10,290 S2: from Vietnam, I said to myself, I never will leave 825 00:45:10,290 --> 00:45:13,850 S2: America again. And I was not the slightest bit interested 826 00:45:13,850 --> 00:45:17,930 S2: in missions until I read J. Hudson Taylor's book on missions. 827 00:45:17,930 --> 00:45:20,529 S2: And then I began to seek God's will about going 828 00:45:20,570 --> 00:45:23,330 S2: to the mission field. So that had a huge impact 829 00:45:23,330 --> 00:45:23,850 S2: on me. 830 00:45:24,130 --> 00:45:27,650 S1: He had a trust, a rock ribbed trust in God 831 00:45:27,650 --> 00:45:31,969 S1: to pray for what he needed or what he did. 832 00:45:32,130 --> 00:45:34,969 S1: He did leaked out on you. He did did for 833 00:45:35,010 --> 00:45:38,210 S1: me too. Yes, doctor Sauer, I can't thank you enough. 834 00:45:38,250 --> 00:45:41,650 S1: This is such a great podcast that Sullivan that you 835 00:45:41,850 --> 00:45:44,930 S1: have put together, and I mentioned before, we went on 836 00:45:44,930 --> 00:45:47,370 S1: the colors of the the room that you have in 837 00:45:47,370 --> 00:45:49,529 S1: there in the video. They just kind of pop. And 838 00:45:49,530 --> 00:45:52,009 S1: that's part of because of your background and you know, 839 00:45:52,050 --> 00:45:54,450 S1: you know how to light things and do that. 840 00:45:54,489 --> 00:45:55,650 S3: Well, I appreciate it. 841 00:45:55,690 --> 00:46:00,259 S1: Yeah. Looks excellent. We have a link at Chris. Sweet. Sue, 842 00:46:00,340 --> 00:46:02,660 S1: you keep being sweet. Sue. Will you do that for us? 843 00:46:02,700 --> 00:46:05,980 S4: Well, the sweet part is Jesus, so I'm secure. 844 00:46:07,100 --> 00:46:10,859 S1: I love this, uh, voices of wisdom. Doctor Ron Sauer 845 00:46:10,900 --> 00:46:13,219 S1: has been with us today. And if you go to 846 00:46:13,260 --> 00:46:16,819 S1: Chris org, you will see a link to that podcast 847 00:46:16,820 --> 00:46:19,420 S1: that I've been talking about. One of the great things 848 00:46:19,420 --> 00:46:23,100 S1: about being able to to be here at Moody Radio. 849 00:46:23,140 --> 00:46:27,420 S1: Moody global is a podcast like Quiet Time with Doctor 850 00:46:27,420 --> 00:46:30,540 S1: Ron Sauer. And if you are asking the question, how 851 00:46:30,540 --> 00:46:33,500 S1: do I draw closer to God? If you feel this 852 00:46:33,860 --> 00:46:38,219 S1: unsettled thing in your own heart, I need more of him. 853 00:46:38,540 --> 00:46:41,100 S1: This might be the very thing. Quiet time with Doctor 854 00:46:41,100 --> 00:46:44,580 S1: Ron Sauer Chris Fabry lives production of Moody Radio, a 855 00:46:44,580 --> 00:46:48,100 S1: ministry of Moody Bible Institute. Thanks a lot for listening.