1 00:00:05,720 --> 00:00:08,320 S1: It is the best selling book of all time. It 2 00:00:08,320 --> 00:00:11,480 S1: is read by millions every day. It is a book 3 00:00:11,480 --> 00:00:14,319 S1: like no other. Our guest today believes that with all 4 00:00:14,320 --> 00:00:17,080 S1: his heart. And he says, if we honestly examine the 5 00:00:17,079 --> 00:00:22,320 S1: evidence within the Bible about the Bible and surrounding the Bible, 6 00:00:22,720 --> 00:00:26,040 S1: we'll begin to realize how little most people, even those 7 00:00:26,040 --> 00:00:29,520 S1: who claim some connection with it, truly understand what the 8 00:00:29,520 --> 00:00:33,000 S1: Bible is. In fact, many who express admiration for the 9 00:00:33,000 --> 00:00:37,240 S1: Bible have never allowed it to be what it claims 10 00:00:37,240 --> 00:00:39,680 S1: to be. We're going to talk about that today with author, 11 00:00:39,680 --> 00:00:43,479 S1: pastor and broadcaster doctor Mike Faber's straight ahead on the program. 12 00:00:43,479 --> 00:00:45,800 S1: From the heart to the heart or the heart. We 13 00:00:45,800 --> 00:00:47,839 S1: begin with a thank you to our team, Ryan McConaughey 14 00:00:47,880 --> 00:00:51,080 S1: doing all things technical. Trish is our producer. Lisa's helping out. 15 00:00:51,080 --> 00:00:55,120 S1: Josh will answer your calls. And since it's Friday. That's right. 16 00:00:55,120 --> 00:00:59,560 S1: It's time for the fabulous February Friday inaugural. Sigh. Here's 17 00:00:59,630 --> 00:01:02,590 S1: what it does. One. We oxygenate your blood. Two. We 18 00:01:02,590 --> 00:01:06,030 S1: get your endorphins going. Three. We raise your serotonin. Level 19 00:01:06,030 --> 00:01:09,550 S1: four we promote lymphatic drainage, and five, we stimulate the 20 00:01:09,550 --> 00:01:13,390 S1: parasympathetic system. That's why we call it the five lung languages. 21 00:01:13,709 --> 00:01:17,350 S1: We also stimulate your vagus nerve. We help you release acetylcholine. 22 00:01:17,350 --> 00:01:20,910 S1: And don't you dare forget what it does to cortisol dissipation. 23 00:01:20,910 --> 00:01:23,390 S1: Take in four seconds of air through your nose right now. 24 00:01:23,830 --> 00:01:27,069 S1: Hold it for seconds. And then as you release that 25 00:01:27,069 --> 00:01:29,110 S1: air through your mouth, push on the left side of 26 00:01:29,110 --> 00:01:31,190 S1: your rib cage to get rid of all that bad 27 00:01:31,190 --> 00:01:34,470 S1: carbon dioxide. Give a sigh for the school that D.L. 28 00:01:34,510 --> 00:01:37,509 S1: Moody founded. Give a sigh for songs which allow us 29 00:01:37,510 --> 00:01:41,110 S1: to say the words over yonder. Today was the inauguration 30 00:01:41,110 --> 00:01:44,230 S1: of Doctor Rick Nelson as the 11th president in the 31 00:01:44,230 --> 00:01:48,910 S1: 140 year history of Moody Bible Institute. Give a sigh 32 00:01:48,950 --> 00:01:52,470 S1: for all the past living presidents who attended for Doctor Jobe, 33 00:01:52,470 --> 00:01:56,110 S1: Doctor Nyquist, Doctor Easley, Doctor Stowell, give a sigh for 34 00:01:56,110 --> 00:01:59,230 S1: the faculty, the students, the board of trustees. The employees 35 00:01:59,230 --> 00:02:02,750 S1: give a great is thy faithfulness side. The fabulous February 36 00:02:02,750 --> 00:02:05,470 S1: Friday inaugural saw is brought to you by IRA Sankey 37 00:02:05,470 --> 00:02:10,669 S1: and Emma Dreyer. All rights reserved. Void where prohibited. It 38 00:02:10,669 --> 00:02:14,630 S1: was an historic day. It is an historic day, and 39 00:02:14,630 --> 00:02:17,669 S1: I thought about our topic and what we might discuss 40 00:02:17,669 --> 00:02:20,750 S1: here at the back fence on this inaugural day of 41 00:02:20,750 --> 00:02:25,150 S1: Doctor Nelson, and I could think of nothing better to 42 00:02:25,190 --> 00:02:28,750 S1: highlight today than a biblical conversation. And when I found 43 00:02:28,750 --> 00:02:32,750 S1: out Doctor Faberes was going to be here in person, 44 00:02:32,750 --> 00:02:35,550 S1: I said, get thee into the studio. And he is here. 45 00:02:35,550 --> 00:02:39,470 S1: Doctor Mike Faberes, founding pastor of Compass Bible Church, president 46 00:02:39,470 --> 00:02:44,310 S1: of Compass Bible Institute, graduate of Moody Bible Institute and 47 00:02:44,310 --> 00:02:48,710 S1: Talbot School of Theology, Westminster Theological Seminary. He's heard on 48 00:02:48,750 --> 00:02:51,390 S1: hundreds of stations. I think it was 800 I saw 49 00:02:51,590 --> 00:02:55,470 S1: on Focal Point Radio. He's written several books. We've talked 50 00:02:55,470 --> 00:02:58,859 S1: about envy, ten mistakes people make about heaven, hell in 51 00:02:58,860 --> 00:03:02,300 S1: the afterlife raising men, not boys. He and his wife, Carlyn, 52 00:03:02,300 --> 00:03:06,380 S1: are parents of three grown children, four grandchildren. Unless that's changed. 53 00:03:06,740 --> 00:03:10,500 S1: And our featured resource is his latest, The Bible, a 54 00:03:10,500 --> 00:03:15,140 S1: book like no other doctor Faber's. Mike. Welcome back. How 55 00:03:15,180 --> 00:03:16,340 S1: are you doing, Chris? 56 00:03:16,460 --> 00:03:18,620 S2: I'm doing okay. Except I didn't know I had a 57 00:03:18,620 --> 00:03:22,300 S2: vagus nerve or whatever you said. I've driven through the town, 58 00:03:22,580 --> 00:03:25,739 S2: but I didn't know anything about that. 59 00:03:25,780 --> 00:03:26,420 S1: Don't stop. 60 00:03:26,460 --> 00:03:26,740 S2: Going. 61 00:03:26,740 --> 00:03:27,460 S1: And keep on going. 62 00:03:27,540 --> 00:03:30,100 S2: That's right. I try not to stop for gas a 63 00:03:30,100 --> 00:03:32,660 S2: couple times. But anyway, I'm so. 64 00:03:32,660 --> 00:03:35,260 S1: Glad you're here. Okay, so when you were a student, doctor, 65 00:03:35,260 --> 00:03:37,060 S1: George Sweeting was president, correct? Right. 66 00:03:37,100 --> 00:03:41,140 S2: A revered Doctor Sweeting. Yes. You had to. Yeah. He 67 00:03:41,180 --> 00:03:44,380 S2: he was a show stopper. When he came around you, 68 00:03:44,380 --> 00:03:47,940 S2: you stood up straight and, uh, yeah, he was, he 69 00:03:47,940 --> 00:03:49,740 S2: was quite a force to be reckoned with, doctor. 70 00:03:49,980 --> 00:03:52,020 S1: I always loved the way he said Jesus because he 71 00:03:52,020 --> 00:03:53,820 S1: didn't say Jesus. He said Jesus. 72 00:03:53,860 --> 00:03:54,260 S2: Yes. 73 00:03:54,260 --> 00:03:55,020 S1: It was, you know. 74 00:03:55,100 --> 00:03:56,210 S2: Quite an event to hear him. 75 00:03:56,250 --> 00:04:00,330 S1: Say at the end of it. Okay, doctor Melson's inaugural. 76 00:04:00,370 --> 00:04:04,370 S1: This was more than just a ceremony with everybody in 77 00:04:04,370 --> 00:04:06,130 S1: the cap and gown and all of that. There was 78 00:04:06,130 --> 00:04:08,330 S1: something more going on here. Do you believe that? 79 00:04:08,370 --> 00:04:10,170 S2: Yeah. You know what? I've got to tell you this. 80 00:04:10,170 --> 00:04:12,130 S2: And I happen to be on the board of trustees. 81 00:04:12,170 --> 00:04:16,409 S2: And so this process was very serious process of finding 82 00:04:16,410 --> 00:04:19,730 S2: the right man for the right time for this institution. 83 00:04:19,770 --> 00:04:22,010 S2: Of course, you know, as you said, I'm a I'm 84 00:04:22,089 --> 00:04:24,730 S2: a I'm a graduate. And so it means a lot 85 00:04:24,730 --> 00:04:27,330 S2: to find just the right leader at this time. And 86 00:04:27,330 --> 00:04:31,890 S2: this man gave an address which, if you haven't heard it, 87 00:04:31,890 --> 00:04:35,770 S2: I'm sure it's recorded at the website. You got to 88 00:04:35,770 --> 00:04:38,850 S2: go listen to this. This is this is very important. 89 00:04:38,850 --> 00:04:40,570 S2: I said to the guys I sat next to there 90 00:04:40,570 --> 00:04:43,530 S2: on the platform, everyone needs to listen to this and 91 00:04:43,529 --> 00:04:46,370 S2: listen to it carefully. It's a call back to the 92 00:04:46,370 --> 00:04:49,890 S2: authority of scripture. It's a call back to us, understanding 93 00:04:49,890 --> 00:04:53,170 S2: what the Scripture says and not being ashamed of what 94 00:04:53,170 --> 00:04:56,640 S2: it says, and standing on the firm word of God. 95 00:04:56,680 --> 00:04:59,919 S2: I thought it was amazing. I mean, he had barely 96 00:04:59,920 --> 00:05:03,240 S2: finished the last sentence and I was texting Doctor Nelson 97 00:05:03,240 --> 00:05:06,200 S2: and saying, that was excellent. It was excellent. 98 00:05:06,440 --> 00:05:09,080 S1: It was so good. And every everyone around, you know, 99 00:05:09,120 --> 00:05:14,719 S1: the welcoming from the doctor. Stowell got up and gave 100 00:05:14,720 --> 00:05:18,120 S1: some words and humorous words, but kind of a charge 101 00:05:18,120 --> 00:05:20,599 S1: to him. And then a welcome from the students and 102 00:05:20,600 --> 00:05:25,520 S1: those representing the faculty and others. But he, he nailed 103 00:05:25,520 --> 00:05:29,160 S1: it because he talked about the preeminence of Jesus and 104 00:05:29,160 --> 00:05:32,840 S1: the authority of Scripture and that, you know, if we 105 00:05:32,880 --> 00:05:37,200 S1: can stand for 140 years, Moody has stayed tethered to that, 106 00:05:37,200 --> 00:05:40,360 S1: to those two things. And then knowing Jesus and making 107 00:05:40,360 --> 00:05:43,000 S1: him known. I mean, that's what we're here for, right? 108 00:05:43,040 --> 00:05:45,520 S2: Yeah. And to double down on the fact, and I 109 00:05:45,520 --> 00:05:47,080 S2: used to hear it when I was a student here, 110 00:05:47,120 --> 00:05:49,240 S2: you know, the Bible is our middle name. I'm so 111 00:05:49,240 --> 00:05:52,039 S2: glad he added that line in the middle of it. 112 00:05:52,040 --> 00:05:54,760 S2: And it just felt like a return to what Moody 113 00:05:54,760 --> 00:05:58,159 S2: Bible Institute is. And I know he meant those words, right? 114 00:05:58,200 --> 00:06:00,000 S2: I don't know him as well as I know I 115 00:06:00,040 --> 00:06:03,640 S2: will know him, Lord willing, as he thrives in this position. 116 00:06:03,640 --> 00:06:07,560 S2: But I think that is just a return to what 117 00:06:07,560 --> 00:06:10,440 S2: we need to double down on. We need to go 118 00:06:10,440 --> 00:06:12,440 S2: deep on that. We need to remember that the Word 119 00:06:12,440 --> 00:06:15,800 S2: of God is timeless and it's relevant. We don't have 120 00:06:15,800 --> 00:06:18,760 S2: to make it relevant. We just need to expose its relevance. 121 00:06:18,760 --> 00:06:21,680 S2: And it speaks to every generation. We don't need to 122 00:06:21,680 --> 00:06:23,560 S2: try to change it. What we need to do is 123 00:06:23,560 --> 00:06:26,839 S2: expose it and preach it, and Christ needs to be 124 00:06:26,839 --> 00:06:30,120 S2: declared through it. And I just think I think Doctor Melson, 125 00:06:30,200 --> 00:06:32,480 S2: he nailed it. I just thought it was fantastic. 126 00:06:32,480 --> 00:06:34,000 S1: So and live it. 127 00:06:34,080 --> 00:06:36,760 S2: And live it live obviously. Yes. We need to live it. 128 00:06:36,800 --> 00:06:40,479 S1: Let it sift through our lives and change us. Because 129 00:06:40,480 --> 00:06:43,520 S1: that was one of the things, uh, Wes Ward of 130 00:06:43,560 --> 00:06:47,920 S1: Moody Radio Moody Global Media got up and talked about 131 00:06:47,960 --> 00:06:51,200 S1: and prayed about that to be able to have the 132 00:06:51,390 --> 00:06:55,469 S1: gospel for ourselves every day, as well as people who've 133 00:06:55,470 --> 00:06:56,429 S1: never heard it before. 134 00:06:56,470 --> 00:06:59,310 S2: Correct. Yeah. We've got to live it, obviously, and it 135 00:06:59,310 --> 00:07:02,029 S2: needs to be something that we care about more than 136 00:07:02,029 --> 00:07:04,870 S2: anything else, right? God's word has to be something that 137 00:07:04,870 --> 00:07:07,270 S2: changes us. God wants to conform us to the image 138 00:07:07,270 --> 00:07:09,469 S2: of His Son, and we're not going to get that by, 139 00:07:09,510 --> 00:07:12,710 S2: you know, pondering our navel. Right. We've got to think 140 00:07:12,710 --> 00:07:15,790 S2: about what God's Word says. It has to transform our thinking. 141 00:07:15,910 --> 00:07:17,950 S2: Too many Christians are trying to to feel their way 142 00:07:17,950 --> 00:07:20,110 S2: through the Christian life. We've got to think our way 143 00:07:20,110 --> 00:07:23,550 S2: through the Christian life or transformed thinking. Right? We meditate 144 00:07:23,550 --> 00:07:25,270 S2: on His word, right? So many people have taken the 145 00:07:25,270 --> 00:07:30,830 S2: word meditation and tried to define that by eastern religion. Right? No, Christianity. 146 00:07:30,830 --> 00:07:32,870 S2: I understand it started in the Middle East, but the 147 00:07:32,870 --> 00:07:35,390 S2: reality of what the word means in the Old Testament 148 00:07:35,390 --> 00:07:38,790 S2: is for our mind to cogitate on biblical truth, and 149 00:07:38,790 --> 00:07:42,750 S2: that is what we do. We think God's thoughts after him, 150 00:07:42,750 --> 00:07:45,230 S2: and it changes the way we think. It changes the 151 00:07:45,230 --> 00:07:48,190 S2: way then we live because our thinking. Right. That's where 152 00:07:48,190 --> 00:07:51,860 S2: we get transformed. And it's the it's the cockpit of 153 00:07:51,860 --> 00:07:54,780 S2: our of our lives. And so, yeah, we need to 154 00:07:54,780 --> 00:07:56,860 S2: have the Word of God change the way we think. 155 00:07:56,860 --> 00:07:59,540 S2: So this is what it's all about, getting God's Word 156 00:07:59,540 --> 00:08:03,740 S2: to control our thought life, control our imagination, control our values, 157 00:08:03,740 --> 00:08:06,660 S2: control our aspirations. And it will change everything about how 158 00:08:06,660 --> 00:08:09,780 S2: we live. And it will meaningfully then fill our mouths 159 00:08:09,780 --> 00:08:12,340 S2: with what we want to say to our coworkers, to 160 00:08:12,380 --> 00:08:15,460 S2: our children, to our friends, to our neighbors. And it 161 00:08:15,460 --> 00:08:18,180 S2: will make us ambassadors of Christ by by default. 162 00:08:18,340 --> 00:08:18,980 S3: If you go to Chris. 163 00:08:19,020 --> 00:08:24,140 S1: Fabriclive.org, Tricia tells me she's linked the inauguration, the inaugural 164 00:08:24,180 --> 00:08:28,700 S1: ceremony at the website. Chris Fabry live.org. You can scroll, 165 00:08:28,820 --> 00:08:31,980 S1: scroll down and see that. And I go to the 166 00:08:32,020 --> 00:08:36,100 S1: even the hymns that were chosen for congregational singing. Of course, 167 00:08:36,140 --> 00:08:38,820 S1: at the end you got to sing Glory Over Yonder, 168 00:08:38,860 --> 00:08:41,900 S1: you know, the God bless the school that D.L. Moody founded. 169 00:08:41,900 --> 00:08:44,260 S1: But they chose. Crown him with many crowns. And, of course, 170 00:08:44,260 --> 00:08:47,020 S1: great is thy faithfulness. That's almost like the anthem of 171 00:08:47,059 --> 00:08:50,209 S1: Moody Bible Institute. But I think of the. I think 172 00:08:50,210 --> 00:08:54,449 S1: of the words of. And nothing wrong with worship songs 173 00:08:54,450 --> 00:08:58,330 S1: that that we have here today. But the songs that 174 00:08:58,330 --> 00:09:02,730 S1: have been sung down through the decades, the centuries like 175 00:09:02,730 --> 00:09:06,210 S1: Crown him with many crowns and that I was arrested 176 00:09:06,210 --> 00:09:09,890 S1: again by rich wounds yet visible. 177 00:09:09,929 --> 00:09:13,210 S2: I was to that very line. Really? Yes. That line 178 00:09:13,410 --> 00:09:15,809 S2: I thought of 3 or 4 times as I had 179 00:09:15,809 --> 00:09:19,570 S2: just sung them, and I thought, that's some meaningful stuff 180 00:09:19,570 --> 00:09:23,290 S2: right there. And I'm all for contemporary music. Absolutely. But 181 00:09:23,290 --> 00:09:26,050 S2: that was a great line, and Chris, that stuck in 182 00:09:26,050 --> 00:09:28,330 S2: my mind as well. And of course, great is Thy faithfulness. 183 00:09:28,330 --> 00:09:30,809 S2: And you work for Moody, I guess. So you tell me. 184 00:09:30,809 --> 00:09:33,969 S2: But I've heard maybe this is a myth, but that 185 00:09:33,970 --> 00:09:36,689 S2: that was first sung, um, way back in the day, 186 00:09:36,690 --> 00:09:38,650 S2: the very first time it was publicly sung, I heard 187 00:09:38,650 --> 00:09:41,050 S2: was for a Founder's Week. Is that true? 188 00:09:41,770 --> 00:09:45,010 S1: It may have been. I know that the. Yeah, the, 189 00:09:45,010 --> 00:09:49,330 S1: the author of It was a towner. Tricia will be 190 00:09:49,330 --> 00:09:50,810 S1: able to find. I'll tell you everything. 191 00:09:50,809 --> 00:09:53,090 S2: It seems like Tricia does most of your thinking for you, 192 00:09:53,090 --> 00:09:54,890 S2: so let's just go ahead and put that. 193 00:09:54,929 --> 00:09:56,370 S4: He puts everything on the website. 194 00:09:56,410 --> 00:09:57,970 S2: Makes more money than you because. 195 00:09:58,010 --> 00:10:02,370 S1: But yes, the great is thy faithfulness has strong of 196 00:10:02,650 --> 00:10:08,330 S1: tentacles to Moody Bible Institute musically and lyrically. But the 197 00:10:08,370 --> 00:10:11,450 S1: reason I brought up the rich wounds yet visible is 198 00:10:11,450 --> 00:10:14,250 S1: because a lot of people say, ah, you know, this 199 00:10:14,250 --> 00:10:17,730 S1: substitutionary atonement thing. I don't know if I the blood, 200 00:10:18,010 --> 00:10:21,650 S1: I don't know, it's like, you cannot take that away 201 00:10:22,050 --> 00:10:26,810 S1: from what the, what the Bible says about Jesus being 202 00:10:26,850 --> 00:10:30,650 S1: our substitute. So I'll call a time out. We'll come back. 203 00:10:30,850 --> 00:10:33,650 S1: If you go to Chris Fabry live.org, you will see 204 00:10:33,690 --> 00:10:37,810 S1: Doctor Faber's book, The Bible, A book like no other. 205 00:10:37,809 --> 00:10:40,449 S1: We're going to talk about that today. What have you 206 00:10:40,490 --> 00:10:44,490 S1: heard from people lately pushing back against the Bible? Oh, 207 00:10:44,530 --> 00:10:46,720 S1: it's just a myth. It's just a bunch of stories. 208 00:10:46,720 --> 00:10:48,640 S1: They're a bunch of errors. Do you have any of 209 00:10:48,640 --> 00:10:51,000 S1: those things of friends who are saying that to you? 210 00:10:51,000 --> 00:11:03,520 S1: I'd like to hear from you. Straight ahead on Moody Radio. Okay. 211 00:11:03,559 --> 00:11:07,840 S1: Tricia has told us more about Great is Thy Faithfulness, Thomas. 212 00:11:07,880 --> 00:11:13,800 S1: Obadiah Chisholm, who lived from 1866 to 1960, was born 213 00:11:13,800 --> 00:11:18,720 S1: in Kentucky, was a Methodist minister. He wrote that the 214 00:11:18,720 --> 00:11:24,680 S1: lyric to that, based on Lamentations 32223, and then William 215 00:11:24,679 --> 00:11:29,200 S1: Marion Runyon was the evangelist, musician and editor who worked 216 00:11:29,200 --> 00:11:32,959 S1: for the Moody Bible Institute and Hope publishing, who was 217 00:11:32,960 --> 00:11:35,439 S1: so moved by the text that he set it to, 218 00:11:35,640 --> 00:11:38,560 S1: great is thy faithfulness. And so it doesn't say in 219 00:11:38,559 --> 00:11:40,920 S1: here that they sang it at a Founder's Week, but 220 00:11:41,520 --> 00:11:44,880 S1: it does say that Will Houghton, Doctor William Henry Houghton, 221 00:11:45,110 --> 00:11:48,550 S1: used it in Crusades, and later George Beverly Shea sang 222 00:11:48,550 --> 00:11:52,270 S1: it during Billy Graham's international missions. So it, you know, 223 00:11:52,270 --> 00:11:54,390 S1: it became famous around the world and now, you know, 224 00:11:54,390 --> 00:11:55,230 S1: a little bit more. 225 00:11:55,270 --> 00:11:55,870 S2: There you go. 226 00:11:56,110 --> 00:11:58,910 S1: And so listen to Mike Faber as he said. 227 00:11:58,950 --> 00:12:01,550 S2: I just made it up in my own head. 228 00:12:01,750 --> 00:12:05,110 S1: No, but it sounds, it sounds, you know, certainly a chapel. 229 00:12:05,150 --> 00:12:07,469 S1: But and and it founders week through the years you 230 00:12:07,470 --> 00:12:08,270 S1: and I have heard that. 231 00:12:08,470 --> 00:12:11,510 S2: Well I certainly know it's got moody Moody's all over 232 00:12:11,510 --> 00:12:14,310 S2: that early on. Right. Let's just say it got touched 233 00:12:14,309 --> 00:12:15,230 S2: by Moody Moody's. 234 00:12:15,270 --> 00:12:17,670 S1: Yes. I love it when people say that because people 235 00:12:17,670 --> 00:12:21,750 S1: who are have have listened to Moody radio. Moody Bible 236 00:12:21,750 --> 00:12:26,189 S1: Institute will say just as a colloquial, you know, Moody's, Moody's, 237 00:12:26,190 --> 00:12:28,870 S1: meaning all the people, all the aggregate people at Moody's. 238 00:12:28,870 --> 00:12:30,270 S1: And that's who we are. Right. Mike? 239 00:12:30,309 --> 00:12:33,790 S2: Hey, Chris, you you've certainly read that book that just 240 00:12:33,790 --> 00:12:35,709 S2: came out on the history of Moody Radio. 241 00:12:36,230 --> 00:12:37,030 S3: Oh, absolutely. 242 00:12:37,070 --> 00:12:39,430 S2: That I think everyone should take a look at that. 243 00:12:39,429 --> 00:12:41,990 S2: There is so much history now that we're celebrating 100 244 00:12:41,990 --> 00:12:45,989 S2: years of Moody Radio. That was a fascinating read, I thought. 245 00:12:46,030 --> 00:12:48,189 S2: I mean, I knew a lot about it, but that 246 00:12:48,190 --> 00:12:51,069 S2: was just amazing to read. Billy Graham, George. 247 00:12:51,270 --> 00:12:52,710 S1: It had my picture in it. Mike. 248 00:12:52,750 --> 00:12:55,190 S2: Well, that's why I bought it. That's why I got it. 249 00:12:55,590 --> 00:12:57,350 S2: That's what made you run out and get it. 250 00:12:57,350 --> 00:13:00,470 S1: But we actually gave it to listeners. It was during 251 00:13:00,470 --> 00:13:03,830 S1: July in the in the month when we were celebrating that. 252 00:13:03,870 --> 00:13:07,110 S1: I believed in it so much. So and probably going 253 00:13:07,150 --> 00:13:09,590 S1: to do this with your book because it is such 254 00:13:09,590 --> 00:13:13,990 S1: a bedrock book. It's so accessible and yet it's deep. 255 00:13:13,990 --> 00:13:16,590 S1: It's the Bible, a book like no other. And I 256 00:13:16,590 --> 00:13:18,590 S1: think today's a great day to talk about it here 257 00:13:18,590 --> 00:13:22,270 S1: in the inauguration of Doctor Nelson, you say research shows 258 00:13:22,270 --> 00:13:26,510 S1: a majority of self-identified Christians don't believe strongly in the 259 00:13:26,510 --> 00:13:30,110 S1: accuracy of the Bible. Many churchgoers say there are no 260 00:13:30,110 --> 00:13:33,750 S1: moral absolutes and that God accepts the worship of all 261 00:13:33,790 --> 00:13:38,069 S1: religions equally. And you're asking, how do we get here? 262 00:13:38,150 --> 00:13:40,790 S1: How did the Bible become marginalized? 263 00:13:40,830 --> 00:13:43,459 S2: Right, right, right. Well, let me start with what you 264 00:13:43,460 --> 00:13:45,940 S2: started with. And that is that this particular book, I 265 00:13:45,940 --> 00:13:49,500 S2: was approached by the publisher and they said, we want 266 00:13:49,500 --> 00:13:54,100 S2: a book that is a serious apologetic on defending the 267 00:13:54,100 --> 00:13:57,940 S2: Bible's accuracy. But, but but but we want it to 268 00:13:57,940 --> 00:14:01,780 S2: be really readable and accessible to anyone. And I said, 269 00:14:01,900 --> 00:14:05,579 S2: that sounds really hard to do. I thought, how do 270 00:14:05,580 --> 00:14:08,100 S2: you make it readable and that someone can pick it 271 00:14:08,100 --> 00:14:11,540 S2: up and actually digest it, but it's deep. So I 272 00:14:11,540 --> 00:14:13,900 S2: really struggled to say, okay, how are we going to 273 00:14:13,900 --> 00:14:16,140 S2: do that? And I thought, okay, I'm, I think I 274 00:14:16,140 --> 00:14:18,620 S2: can write something that's readable, but I got to be 275 00:14:18,620 --> 00:14:21,540 S2: able to touch on all the tough topics. So I've 276 00:14:21,540 --> 00:14:23,940 S2: got a lot of footnotes in this that you can 277 00:14:23,940 --> 00:14:26,500 S2: dig deeper. So I got to deal with the canon. 278 00:14:26,500 --> 00:14:28,460 S2: I got to deal with manuscript evidence. I got to 279 00:14:28,460 --> 00:14:30,940 S2: deal with even the nature of truth. Those can be 280 00:14:30,940 --> 00:14:34,060 S2: tough topics, but I try to talk through it in 281 00:14:34,060 --> 00:14:35,620 S2: a way that if I'm just sitting at a coffee 282 00:14:35,620 --> 00:14:38,540 S2: shop with someone and I'm saying, okay, let's just think 283 00:14:38,540 --> 00:14:41,570 S2: about like truth and how could I talk about that? 284 00:14:41,570 --> 00:14:44,210 S2: So I don't go too deep. I don't get too philosophical, 285 00:14:44,210 --> 00:14:46,890 S2: but I make you think with illustrations and I kind 286 00:14:46,890 --> 00:14:49,770 S2: of get you to to figure this out by talking 287 00:14:49,770 --> 00:14:53,090 S2: about the difference between your favorite ice cream flavor and 288 00:14:53,090 --> 00:14:56,050 S2: whether or not your, your doctor or pharmacist should be 289 00:14:56,050 --> 00:14:59,290 S2: a relativist. I mean, we have to figure out truth 290 00:14:59,290 --> 00:15:02,330 S2: and I can illustrate that. But then if you want 291 00:15:02,330 --> 00:15:04,850 S2: to go deeper, I've got a lot of footnotes where 292 00:15:04,850 --> 00:15:08,370 S2: you can dig deeper in some really good books and, 293 00:15:08,370 --> 00:15:10,690 S2: and websites and other things. So that's kind of how 294 00:15:10,690 --> 00:15:13,050 S2: I approach this book. And I really felt at the 295 00:15:13,050 --> 00:15:16,690 S2: end of the product as we finished it all, I 296 00:15:16,690 --> 00:15:19,290 S2: think it did it. And so I'm happy I've written 297 00:15:19,290 --> 00:15:22,650 S2: probably 20 books in my life, but this, I think, 298 00:15:22,690 --> 00:15:26,610 S2: is really the one I'm most excited that people will read. 299 00:15:26,610 --> 00:15:28,250 S2: I hope it gets in the hands of a lot 300 00:15:28,290 --> 00:15:31,290 S2: of people. You know, I at least me, I'm never 301 00:15:31,290 --> 00:15:33,930 S2: going to be, you know, making money off of writing books. 302 00:15:34,010 --> 00:15:37,090 S2: It's a very small income. Maybe I'll go, I don't know. 303 00:15:37,130 --> 00:15:39,210 S2: I can, I can, I can take a boat to 304 00:15:39,360 --> 00:15:42,200 S2: Catalina for the weekend. If it sells well. But my 305 00:15:42,200 --> 00:15:45,480 S2: point is not about getting rich. It's about. I really 306 00:15:45,480 --> 00:15:48,880 S2: want to help people see their neighbors or friends that 307 00:15:48,880 --> 00:15:52,440 S2: are doubtful about the Bible. Either you read it and 308 00:15:52,440 --> 00:15:55,280 S2: are able to converse in these topics, or you can 309 00:15:55,280 --> 00:15:56,680 S2: hand it to them and say, hey, let's read this 310 00:15:56,680 --> 00:15:59,040 S2: together and get together every Saturday, go to pancakes and 311 00:15:59,040 --> 00:16:01,560 S2: just talk about what you're reading. It's that kind of book. 312 00:16:01,560 --> 00:16:03,360 S2: I think you can hand it to someone and they 313 00:16:03,360 --> 00:16:05,600 S2: could understand it. That's the first thing I did. I 314 00:16:05,640 --> 00:16:07,480 S2: got a free copy. I gave it to my next 315 00:16:07,480 --> 00:16:10,280 S2: door neighbor. He's not a Christian, but he's willing to 316 00:16:10,320 --> 00:16:13,080 S2: talk with me about Christianity. I walked it to his 317 00:16:13,080 --> 00:16:14,880 S2: house and I want him to read it, and he 318 00:16:14,880 --> 00:16:17,680 S2: started reading it. That's that's the kind of book this is. 319 00:16:17,720 --> 00:16:19,880 S2: A non-Christian can read it, understand it, and then we 320 00:16:19,880 --> 00:16:23,640 S2: can discuss it. And I think it's going to do that. 321 00:16:23,640 --> 00:16:25,640 S2: And it's basically saying, hey, you may think the Bible 322 00:16:25,640 --> 00:16:27,320 S2: is full of errors, and a lot of churchgoers think 323 00:16:27,320 --> 00:16:29,440 S2: the Bible is full of errors, but let's just rethink 324 00:16:29,440 --> 00:16:32,200 S2: that claim because the Bible really doesn't leave us that option. 325 00:16:32,640 --> 00:16:34,120 S3: Let's talk about that truth. 326 00:16:34,160 --> 00:16:36,360 S1: Thing that you bring up, because that's right in the 327 00:16:36,360 --> 00:16:38,880 S1: beginning of the book, and you'll hear a lot of 328 00:16:38,880 --> 00:16:42,640 S1: people in the culture. My truth, your truth, you know. 329 00:16:42,680 --> 00:16:44,080 S1: But I think a lot of, as you say, a 330 00:16:44,120 --> 00:16:46,000 S1: lot of people in the church are, it's like, well, 331 00:16:46,000 --> 00:16:47,560 S1: this is true for me and I don't want to 332 00:16:47,600 --> 00:16:51,400 S1: impose something on somebody else. And that's a sticky wicket, 333 00:16:51,400 --> 00:16:51,720 S1: isn't it? 334 00:16:51,760 --> 00:16:53,880 S2: Yeah. Well, sure. But if I said that about your 335 00:16:53,880 --> 00:16:56,760 S2: your wife and we can all think different things about 336 00:16:56,760 --> 00:16:59,560 S2: your wife, whether she's a thief or whether she's honest 337 00:16:59,560 --> 00:17:02,360 S2: or whether she's a good person or a bad person. Right. 338 00:17:02,400 --> 00:17:04,680 S2: You're going to go, wait a minute. We're not going 339 00:17:04,720 --> 00:17:07,480 S2: to let you have differing opinions about my wife, right? 340 00:17:07,800 --> 00:17:11,240 S2: We're going to defend her because it matters, right? Her 341 00:17:11,240 --> 00:17:14,960 S2: character matters. And you care about what people think about 342 00:17:14,960 --> 00:17:17,800 S2: her character. God is the same way, right? You can't 343 00:17:17,800 --> 00:17:20,159 S2: just because we don't, you know, you can't pull them 344 00:17:20,160 --> 00:17:23,520 S2: into the driveway of God's living room. Say, well, then 345 00:17:23,720 --> 00:17:26,280 S2: it's up. It's up for debate. It doesn't really matter. No, 346 00:17:26,320 --> 00:17:28,880 S2: here's the thing about the first section of the book. 347 00:17:29,200 --> 00:17:31,760 S2: First we got to determine, is there truth about God 348 00:17:31,760 --> 00:17:34,960 S2: that's either right or wrong. And then secondly, um, does 349 00:17:34,960 --> 00:17:36,840 S2: it make sense that God would want to give us 350 00:17:36,990 --> 00:17:40,590 S2: a communique like here. Here, guys. Here's here's what time 351 00:17:40,590 --> 00:17:42,830 S2: it is with me. Here's who I am. Here's who 352 00:17:42,869 --> 00:17:44,910 S2: you are. Here's how the thing started, and here's where 353 00:17:44,910 --> 00:17:47,590 S2: you're headed. And it makes sense that God would speak. 354 00:17:47,910 --> 00:17:49,629 S2: And then we should look at the book. That's the 355 00:17:49,630 --> 00:17:51,830 S2: best selling book of all time. That has been the 356 00:17:51,830 --> 00:17:55,430 S2: most popular book about what people think. This is how 357 00:17:55,430 --> 00:17:57,709 S2: God has spoken. We ought to start there. Before you 358 00:17:57,710 --> 00:18:00,830 S2: start reading the Pali canon or you know the, you know, 359 00:18:00,869 --> 00:18:05,790 S2: the sayings of Confucius or whatever, you know, the Hindu scriptures. 360 00:18:05,790 --> 00:18:08,830 S2: You should you should read the Bible first. Before we 361 00:18:08,830 --> 00:18:11,830 S2: go on to anything else, the Quran, you should start 362 00:18:11,830 --> 00:18:16,109 S2: with the Bible because it is the most popular book 363 00:18:16,150 --> 00:18:18,670 S2: that claims to be from God. And before we dismiss it, 364 00:18:18,670 --> 00:18:21,150 S2: let's start with that. And it makes the most sense. 365 00:18:21,150 --> 00:18:23,390 S2: And I think most of us will come to the conclusion. 366 00:18:23,390 --> 00:18:26,070 S2: This is a reliable book that is punctuated by the 367 00:18:26,070 --> 00:18:30,230 S2: most convincing thing, predictive prophecy, which in the book of Isaiah, 368 00:18:30,230 --> 00:18:32,950 S2: that's the main thing. Hey, try me. Is there any 369 00:18:32,950 --> 00:18:34,550 S2: other book out there? Is there any other God out 370 00:18:34,550 --> 00:18:37,500 S2: there that tells the truth about the future. You can't 371 00:18:37,500 --> 00:18:40,380 S2: find one. So we got a book here that has 372 00:18:40,380 --> 00:18:43,420 S2: God's fingerprints and signature all over it, and then we're 373 00:18:43,420 --> 00:18:45,900 S2: stuck with what it says. It says things about us. 374 00:18:45,900 --> 00:18:47,780 S2: It says things about him. It says things about where 375 00:18:47,780 --> 00:18:50,340 S2: we came from and where we're going, and it comports 376 00:18:50,340 --> 00:18:53,820 S2: with reality. And therefore, I think we should listen to 377 00:18:53,859 --> 00:18:55,820 S2: what it says, because we're going to meet our maker 378 00:18:55,820 --> 00:18:57,580 S2: one day and he's going to say, hey, did you 379 00:18:57,580 --> 00:19:00,540 S2: read my book? And we better say, yeah, we did. 380 00:19:00,580 --> 00:19:02,859 S2: And we responded to it the way you told us to. 381 00:19:03,060 --> 00:19:05,540 S1: One of the things it says about the truth is 382 00:19:05,540 --> 00:19:06,980 S1: that we suppress it. 383 00:19:06,980 --> 00:19:07,540 S2: Yes. 384 00:19:07,580 --> 00:19:08,379 S1: Talk about that. 385 00:19:08,420 --> 00:19:10,580 S2: Well, you know, here's the deal. Just like when we 386 00:19:10,580 --> 00:19:13,300 S2: were kids in school, if you went to public school 387 00:19:13,300 --> 00:19:16,020 S2: like I did, and the teacher walked out of the room, right? 388 00:19:16,420 --> 00:19:19,460 S2: The class erupted in chaos, at least in Long Beach, California, 389 00:19:19,460 --> 00:19:22,500 S2: where I was raised, because the authority walked out of 390 00:19:22,500 --> 00:19:24,500 S2: the room. The teacher might even put the assignment on 391 00:19:24,500 --> 00:19:28,300 S2: the chalkboard, but everyone wanted to do their own thing. 392 00:19:28,300 --> 00:19:30,619 S2: The truth was right in front of us on the chalkboard, 393 00:19:30,619 --> 00:19:33,379 S2: but we want to do whatever we wanted, and that's 394 00:19:33,380 --> 00:19:36,369 S2: the deal. God has left us instructions, but our evil 395 00:19:36,369 --> 00:19:38,930 S2: wicked hearts that just want to do whatever we want. 396 00:19:38,970 --> 00:19:41,450 S2: We're going to ignore that in favor of what we 397 00:19:41,450 --> 00:19:44,810 S2: want to do. And that is the problem. We all 398 00:19:44,810 --> 00:19:48,130 S2: have this, as God said repeatedly from the beginning, we're 399 00:19:48,130 --> 00:19:50,330 S2: like sheep that just wander away. We don't want to 400 00:19:50,330 --> 00:19:52,810 S2: listen to the good Shepherd, but the the bottom line 401 00:19:52,810 --> 00:19:55,609 S2: is the teachers coming back from the principal's office or 402 00:19:55,609 --> 00:19:59,210 S2: wherever she went, right? The teachers coming back into the room, 403 00:19:59,210 --> 00:20:01,970 S2: God is going to return and call us to account 404 00:20:02,010 --> 00:20:04,530 S2: what he wrote on the board. And he's going to say, 405 00:20:04,650 --> 00:20:06,250 S2: I'm going to call you to account for what you 406 00:20:06,250 --> 00:20:10,330 S2: said here. We suppress the truth in unrighteousness, and that 407 00:20:10,330 --> 00:20:12,210 S2: is the problem. Jesus said in the most famous chapter 408 00:20:12,210 --> 00:20:14,930 S2: in all the Bible, John three, where we learn God 409 00:20:14,930 --> 00:20:17,330 S2: so loved the world. He said, the reason we don't 410 00:20:17,330 --> 00:20:20,410 S2: want to step into the light and do what he 411 00:20:20,410 --> 00:20:23,370 S2: says is because our deeds are evil. We just don't 412 00:20:23,369 --> 00:20:25,290 S2: want to do it because we'd rather do what we 413 00:20:25,290 --> 00:20:27,810 S2: want to do. Or as Psalm two says, we want 414 00:20:27,810 --> 00:20:30,730 S2: all the bonds of God's moral laws to be broken 415 00:20:30,730 --> 00:20:33,010 S2: from us so we can keep doing what we want 416 00:20:33,130 --> 00:20:36,050 S2: to do. Or as Romans one says, we suppress the 417 00:20:36,050 --> 00:20:39,770 S2: truth and unrighteousness, as you just quoted. So we know 418 00:20:39,770 --> 00:20:42,770 S2: that we'd prefer not to read the Bible because it's 419 00:20:42,770 --> 00:20:45,530 S2: going to tell us stuff that we don't want to do. 420 00:20:45,530 --> 00:20:48,370 S2: But if the teacher is coming back, then we better 421 00:20:48,410 --> 00:20:50,930 S2: do it because the only one that's going to fare 422 00:20:50,930 --> 00:20:53,170 S2: well when when the teacher comes back is the one 423 00:20:53,170 --> 00:20:55,850 S2: that did what was written on the board. And for us, 424 00:20:55,850 --> 00:20:58,530 S2: that's repenting of our sins, putting our trust in Christ, 425 00:20:58,530 --> 00:21:00,330 S2: and being prepared for his return. 426 00:21:01,010 --> 00:21:03,530 S1: So one of the things that I came away from 427 00:21:03,530 --> 00:21:06,770 S1: the book and doctor Mike Fabros is with us today, 428 00:21:06,770 --> 00:21:10,130 S1: the Bible, a book like no other, is that I 429 00:21:10,170 --> 00:21:14,530 S1: can all day see the culture people around me, especially 430 00:21:14,530 --> 00:21:18,730 S1: non-Christians who say one thing or another about the Bible, 431 00:21:18,730 --> 00:21:21,850 S1: compare it to other Christianity, to other religions, and see 432 00:21:21,850 --> 00:21:24,450 S1: how wrong. See how wrong they are. I could just 433 00:21:24,450 --> 00:21:28,250 S1: do this all day. What is harder to do is 434 00:21:28,250 --> 00:21:30,690 S1: to look at my own life because that's what I 435 00:21:30,690 --> 00:21:33,240 S1: believe the Bible is. It does tell us about who 436 00:21:33,240 --> 00:21:36,520 S1: God is and his plan and what he's doing in 437 00:21:36,520 --> 00:21:38,560 S1: the world and what he's going to do in the future. 438 00:21:38,560 --> 00:21:42,000 S1: But it also is a mirror for my own life. 439 00:21:42,240 --> 00:21:45,200 S1: That is very hard to look at, and I want 440 00:21:45,240 --> 00:21:48,159 S1: to pick and choose what I like and throw away 441 00:21:48,200 --> 00:21:51,000 S1: what I don't like. And that's part of the problem 442 00:21:51,000 --> 00:21:52,080 S1: in the church, isn't it? 443 00:21:52,119 --> 00:21:55,000 S2: Yeah it is. And that's why the publisher has just 444 00:21:55,040 --> 00:21:57,600 S2: asked me and is to contract with me to write 445 00:21:57,640 --> 00:22:00,160 S2: a second volume, which is how do we deal with 446 00:22:00,160 --> 00:22:03,159 S2: it every single day if we by its authority? How 447 00:22:03,160 --> 00:22:05,840 S2: do we make sure that we're not a hypocrite in 448 00:22:05,840 --> 00:22:08,800 S2: dealing with it as people who say we believe it? 449 00:22:08,800 --> 00:22:12,800 S2: So I'm currently starting that book and writing it to say, okay, 450 00:22:13,040 --> 00:22:17,360 S2: let's make sure we are submitting ourselves honestly to what 451 00:22:17,359 --> 00:22:19,640 S2: it says. And it's not as easy as you think, 452 00:22:19,680 --> 00:22:22,280 S2: because it's a lot of like people listening to radio, 453 00:22:22,280 --> 00:22:24,919 S2: Christian radio. Do we really take in the word, listen 454 00:22:24,920 --> 00:22:28,240 S2: to people that are talking about it, preaching it, or 455 00:22:28,280 --> 00:22:30,670 S2: when we read it, or when we study it or 456 00:22:30,670 --> 00:22:33,110 S2: when we hear it sung and good Christian lyrics, as 457 00:22:33,109 --> 00:22:35,950 S2: you just talked about. Do we believe in substitutionary atonement 458 00:22:35,950 --> 00:22:38,190 S2: if it's rightly sung to us? Or do we say, 459 00:22:38,190 --> 00:22:40,150 S2: that doesn't feel right? Just like you said, if we're 460 00:22:40,150 --> 00:22:41,990 S2: feeling our way through the Christian life, we think that 461 00:22:41,990 --> 00:22:44,670 S2: doesn't feel right. Or is that what the Bible says? 462 00:22:44,670 --> 00:22:47,430 S2: So we have to make sure that we don't have 463 00:22:47,430 --> 00:22:50,350 S2: a double standard and say, it's easy for me to 464 00:22:50,390 --> 00:22:53,469 S2: take verses that I like and say, well, that's true, 465 00:22:53,470 --> 00:22:55,709 S2: I like it, it's okay, I can, I can judge 466 00:22:55,710 --> 00:22:58,070 S2: you with that. But this over here, I don't want 467 00:22:58,109 --> 00:23:00,950 S2: to judge me with that. The mirror of God's word, 468 00:23:01,070 --> 00:23:02,750 S2: I'm not going to hold it up because it's going 469 00:23:02,790 --> 00:23:06,710 S2: to make me look bad. So it is really volume two. 470 00:23:06,750 --> 00:23:10,869 S2: Once we settle the issue of the authority, the credibility, 471 00:23:10,990 --> 00:23:14,070 S2: the authenticity of God's Word, now it's just about really 472 00:23:14,070 --> 00:23:16,550 S2: closing off all the noise of the world. Sometimes we 473 00:23:16,590 --> 00:23:18,670 S2: Christians call it our quiet times. It's not a bad 474 00:23:18,670 --> 00:23:21,430 S2: phrase because sometimes we need it to be quiet so 475 00:23:21,430 --> 00:23:24,310 S2: we can sit there and stare into the perfect law 476 00:23:24,310 --> 00:23:27,510 S2: of liberty, as James says, and get honest about letting 477 00:23:27,510 --> 00:23:30,820 S2: the law judge us and then being free from being 478 00:23:30,820 --> 00:23:33,580 S2: a hypocrite and letting it change our lives. 479 00:23:33,780 --> 00:23:36,540 S1: One of the things that I hear a lot is 480 00:23:37,140 --> 00:23:40,580 S1: the phrase My God would never. And then fill in 481 00:23:40,580 --> 00:23:43,979 S1: the blank about something that, you know, one person will say, well, 482 00:23:43,980 --> 00:23:46,419 S1: this is what the Bible teaches. Well, my God would never. 483 00:23:46,420 --> 00:23:48,899 S1: And you even touched that about that in your book. 484 00:23:48,940 --> 00:23:50,980 S1: God just wants me to be happy. You know, God 485 00:23:50,980 --> 00:23:54,940 S1: wouldn't want me to stay in an unhappy marriage. Uh, God. 486 00:23:54,980 --> 00:23:58,660 S1: God wouldn't want me to deny my feelings. So you 487 00:23:58,660 --> 00:24:02,100 S1: say that, uh. And if I'm just sincere, that's. It 488 00:24:02,140 --> 00:24:04,900 S1: doesn't matter what I believe. I just need to be sincere. 489 00:24:05,060 --> 00:24:08,700 S1: You say that those are not based on divine, divine revelation. 490 00:24:08,700 --> 00:24:12,100 S1: They are projections from ourselves, right? 491 00:24:12,140 --> 00:24:16,020 S2: Of course. Yeah. God would never want my, uh, ten 492 00:24:16,060 --> 00:24:19,139 S2: children to die. Read job one. God would never want 493 00:24:19,140 --> 00:24:23,260 S2: me to have a terrible disease. Uh, and scrape, uh, 494 00:24:23,740 --> 00:24:26,940 S2: boils pus off my body. Read job two. Right. God 495 00:24:26,940 --> 00:24:29,659 S2: would never want my wife to say Curse God and die. 496 00:24:29,859 --> 00:24:32,260 S2: Read job two. I mean, there's so many passages of 497 00:24:32,260 --> 00:24:34,820 S2: Scripture that remind me of good and godly people who 498 00:24:34,820 --> 00:24:37,820 S2: are pleasing God. Have plenty of things that happen in 499 00:24:37,820 --> 00:24:41,540 S2: our lives that remind us. Yeah, the reality of a 500 00:24:41,540 --> 00:24:44,939 S2: good God doesn't mean that nothing bad or painful is 501 00:24:44,940 --> 00:24:46,860 S2: going to happen to us. As a matter of fact, 502 00:24:46,859 --> 00:24:50,660 S2: as Don Carson used to say, when those bad things happen, 503 00:24:50,660 --> 00:24:53,300 S2: in one sense you could say God is only keeping 504 00:24:53,300 --> 00:24:56,859 S2: faithfully his promises of Genesis three. That's what he said 505 00:24:56,900 --> 00:24:59,380 S2: would happen. As a matter of fact, every wonderful Christian 506 00:24:59,380 --> 00:25:03,740 S2: you've ever known from a hundred years ago or prior, 507 00:25:03,780 --> 00:25:06,659 S2: they've all died. That's a terrible thing to happen to 508 00:25:06,660 --> 00:25:10,180 S2: a good and godly person, right from your great great grandmother, 509 00:25:10,180 --> 00:25:12,379 S2: all the way back to to Adam and Eve. They've 510 00:25:12,380 --> 00:25:15,100 S2: all died. What a horrible thing. And according to First 511 00:25:15,100 --> 00:25:18,620 S2: Corinthians 15, it is a horrible thing. It's a terrible enemy. 512 00:25:18,619 --> 00:25:21,340 S2: And Christ has come to destroy that enemy. The good 513 00:25:21,340 --> 00:25:24,140 S2: thing about the Bible is right. The first two chapters 514 00:25:24,140 --> 00:25:26,020 S2: and the last two chapters of the Bible, the only 515 00:25:26,020 --> 00:25:29,690 S2: four chapters where we don't have death and one day. Right? 516 00:25:29,730 --> 00:25:32,530 S2: Not only death, but all the terrible corruption that comes 517 00:25:32,530 --> 00:25:34,090 S2: with it is going to be behind us. 518 00:25:34,609 --> 00:25:38,730 S1: That's doctor Mike Faber's. Are you hearing objections to the scriptures? 519 00:25:38,730 --> 00:25:45,210 S1: You have a question, a comment, maybe you feel this way. (877) 548-3675. 520 00:25:45,530 --> 00:25:47,690 S1: The Bible, a book like no other, is our featured 521 00:25:47,690 --> 00:26:05,330 S1: resource at Chris Fabry live.org. Christmas is only a couple 522 00:26:05,369 --> 00:26:08,530 S1: of months away. The season of holly and hearth fires, 523 00:26:08,530 --> 00:26:12,370 S1: lights and laughter, ribbons and reveling. But it can also 524 00:26:12,369 --> 00:26:16,129 S1: be a season when stress and strain knocks at your heart. 525 00:26:16,490 --> 00:26:21,250 S1: And when loneliness and loss are felt most keenly. Nancy 526 00:26:21,290 --> 00:26:25,640 S1: DeMoss Wolgemuth has been there. And in a new devotional 527 00:26:25,640 --> 00:26:30,000 S1: that we have from her titled Consider Jesus, Nancy. It's 528 00:26:30,040 --> 00:26:34,040 S1: a 31 day advent devotional. Nancy takes you through meditations 529 00:26:34,040 --> 00:26:39,000 S1: on the person and work of Jesus Christ. It's a hardcover, 530 00:26:39,000 --> 00:26:43,000 S1: small little book. It's almost like a gift book. Very 531 00:26:43,400 --> 00:26:47,680 S1: green and colorful. Festive. But it's meant to get into 532 00:26:47,680 --> 00:26:50,639 S1: your heart. And I chose this this month as a 533 00:26:50,640 --> 00:26:53,440 S1: thank you. Want to send it to you. 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Or go to Chris dot ORG. 542 00:27:26,680 --> 00:27:31,560 S1: You hear doctor Mike Fabares on the program Focal Point Radio, 543 00:27:32,040 --> 00:27:34,480 S1: and he has written a new book and we're having 544 00:27:34,480 --> 00:27:37,760 S1: him on today because it is the inauguration at Moody 545 00:27:37,760 --> 00:27:43,159 S1: Bible Institute of the 11th President at Moody. Doctor Rick Nelson. 546 00:27:43,560 --> 00:27:46,280 S1: The book is the Bible a book like no other. 547 00:27:46,280 --> 00:27:49,199 S1: The authority of God's word. And let me let me 548 00:27:49,240 --> 00:27:52,400 S1: throw that to you. You know, why do we need 549 00:27:52,840 --> 00:27:56,200 S1: a written word of God? Why is that essential? 550 00:27:56,400 --> 00:27:59,000 S2: Yeah, that's a great question. And you could have thought, well, 551 00:27:59,000 --> 00:28:03,320 S2: why not just have this be an oral tradition, right? 552 00:28:03,359 --> 00:28:06,960 S2: Or why not just have, I don't know, just impressions 553 00:28:06,960 --> 00:28:09,440 S2: given to us. And we could all just stick with 554 00:28:09,440 --> 00:28:13,680 S2: our conscience, which is really impressions, right? But there's something 555 00:28:13,720 --> 00:28:18,000 S2: objective that is great for us to look at. It's 556 00:28:18,000 --> 00:28:20,160 S2: like a constitution. You could you could have a country 557 00:28:20,160 --> 00:28:23,550 S2: without a constitution, right? You could have judges that don't, 558 00:28:23,590 --> 00:28:26,430 S2: you know, refer to a law code, a penal code, 559 00:28:26,470 --> 00:28:31,230 S2: a set of rules. But it's so much more effective 560 00:28:31,230 --> 00:28:34,670 S2: for us to look at something outside of our impressions 561 00:28:34,670 --> 00:28:38,190 S2: or outside of just getting people together to talk about 562 00:28:38,190 --> 00:28:41,430 S2: what might have been said or what might have been discussed, 563 00:28:41,430 --> 00:28:44,470 S2: or what people have thought in their mores or ideals. 564 00:28:44,590 --> 00:28:47,190 S2: It's written down. It's right there. It's in, as Francis 565 00:28:47,190 --> 00:28:50,870 S2: Schaeffer used to say in propositional black and white sentences. 566 00:28:50,870 --> 00:28:54,990 S2: That's just so helpful. And that's why I think we have, ideally, 567 00:28:55,310 --> 00:29:00,110 S2: the Old Testament coming into reality with Moses and, and, 568 00:29:00,110 --> 00:29:02,830 S2: and not with Abraham or even before that. We could 569 00:29:02,870 --> 00:29:06,070 S2: have gone back to some time earlier than that. Abraham 570 00:29:06,070 --> 00:29:09,630 S2: was about 2000 BC and Moses was 600 years after 571 00:29:09,630 --> 00:29:14,710 S2: that and in 1450 BC. So there's just the right time. 572 00:29:14,710 --> 00:29:16,710 S2: We had the beginning of the first five books of 573 00:29:16,710 --> 00:29:18,510 S2: the Old Testament. And then, of course, the New Testament 574 00:29:18,510 --> 00:29:21,860 S2: comes at a time which was ideal for the propagation 575 00:29:21,860 --> 00:29:24,540 S2: of the New Testament in Koine Greek, going all over 576 00:29:24,540 --> 00:29:27,740 S2: the ancient world with all the Roman roads. And actually 577 00:29:27,740 --> 00:29:31,220 S2: the man who wrote the the foreword to my book, J. 578 00:29:31,260 --> 00:29:33,980 S2: Warner Wallace wrote a fantastic book about the coming of 579 00:29:33,980 --> 00:29:36,700 S2: the New Testament at just the right time in the 580 00:29:36,700 --> 00:29:39,460 S2: coming of Christ. As Galatians says, it's just the fullness 581 00:29:39,460 --> 00:29:43,300 S2: of time because it was ideal for this message spreading 582 00:29:43,300 --> 00:29:46,220 S2: all over the world. So I think the coming of 583 00:29:46,220 --> 00:29:50,580 S2: the two Testaments, starting at least at 1445 and ending 584 00:29:50,580 --> 00:29:53,700 S2: at 400 B.C. and then the New Testament coming in 585 00:29:53,700 --> 00:29:55,580 S2: a short period of time, from the mid first century 586 00:29:55,580 --> 00:29:58,540 S2: to the end of the first century, was ideal for 587 00:29:58,540 --> 00:30:02,860 S2: just the right languages coming and being codified and copied 588 00:30:03,140 --> 00:30:05,460 S2: and being there to where we could look at it 589 00:30:05,460 --> 00:30:06,980 S2: and saying, well, what do we do with the church? 590 00:30:06,980 --> 00:30:08,540 S2: How do we assemble the church? How do we deal 591 00:30:08,540 --> 00:30:11,100 S2: with worship? How do we deal with doctrine? It's there 592 00:30:11,100 --> 00:30:14,500 S2: in writing. And so writing is ideal. It's ideal for 593 00:30:14,500 --> 00:30:17,700 S2: us because it's external to us. And so much of 594 00:30:17,700 --> 00:30:21,690 S2: us in our decisions are internal and internal. It gets 595 00:30:21,730 --> 00:30:23,570 S2: a little sloppy and a little messy. 596 00:30:24,690 --> 00:30:27,690 S1: The church chose it, though. It was just these people. 597 00:30:27,730 --> 00:30:27,969 S2: No no. 598 00:30:27,970 --> 00:30:32,210 S1: No. Yes. Just these people writing from their their perspectives 599 00:30:32,210 --> 00:30:34,770 S1: and what they thought. And, you know, the elephant and 600 00:30:34,770 --> 00:30:37,130 S1: they felt the tail and all that. And then the 601 00:30:37,130 --> 00:30:39,729 S1: church chose this and put it in there. Is that true? 602 00:30:39,890 --> 00:30:43,370 S2: This is such a common thought, particularly it's actually embedded 603 00:30:43,370 --> 00:30:46,330 S2: in the doctrine of so many Roman Catholics and even 604 00:30:46,330 --> 00:30:50,930 S2: Eastern Orthodox and many Protestants just they think it's true, 605 00:30:51,170 --> 00:30:53,610 S2: but it's not how it happened. It is not how 606 00:30:53,610 --> 00:30:58,210 S2: it happened. Here's the reality. Number one, Dan Brown and 607 00:30:58,210 --> 00:31:00,690 S2: his Da Vinci Code, you might remember back in the day, 608 00:31:00,730 --> 00:31:05,090 S2: popularized the thought that there are all these Gospels floating around. 609 00:31:05,090 --> 00:31:08,850 S2: And it wasn't until the fourth century that Constantine came along, 610 00:31:08,890 --> 00:31:11,090 S2: had this thing called the Council of Nicaea in the 611 00:31:11,090 --> 00:31:13,330 S2: middle of the fourth century, and they got together, they 612 00:31:13,330 --> 00:31:14,890 S2: voted on it, and they said, well, we're going to 613 00:31:14,890 --> 00:31:17,050 S2: choose Matthew, Mark, Luke and John that are all about 614 00:31:17,050 --> 00:31:21,050 S2: this miracle working, you know, supernatural person called Jesus. And 615 00:31:21,050 --> 00:31:23,970 S2: really all the other gospels that they rejected were about 616 00:31:23,970 --> 00:31:27,250 S2: a normal guy who had wife and kids and a minivan, 617 00:31:27,250 --> 00:31:29,810 S2: and that's the real Jesus. And they got rid of 618 00:31:29,810 --> 00:31:33,370 S2: that Jesus nonsense, right? We have, we have you can 619 00:31:33,370 --> 00:31:35,210 S2: go to any library, you can go online to the 620 00:31:35,210 --> 00:31:38,370 S2: electronic copies of what they call the Pre-nicene or the 621 00:31:38,410 --> 00:31:42,970 S2: Ante-nicene fathers of the church preaching on all 27 books 622 00:31:42,970 --> 00:31:46,210 S2: of the New Testament. Uh, for centuries before the Council 623 00:31:46,210 --> 00:31:48,610 S2: of Nicaea. Council of Nicaea, by the way, read all 624 00:31:48,610 --> 00:31:50,770 S2: the records of the Council of Nicaea. They didn't talk 625 00:31:50,770 --> 00:31:53,170 S2: about or vote on any of the New Testament books 626 00:31:53,170 --> 00:31:56,530 S2: because the church didn't vote on books. All they did 627 00:31:56,530 --> 00:32:00,610 S2: was recognize the authority of the books in the New Testament, 628 00:32:00,610 --> 00:32:04,010 S2: and they quote them. They would preach from them, and, uh, 629 00:32:04,010 --> 00:32:07,810 S2: everyone accepted them. There wasn't a vote until there was 630 00:32:07,810 --> 00:32:10,770 S2: the Council of Trent 450 years ago, when the Roman 631 00:32:10,770 --> 00:32:14,050 S2: Catholics did vote on a group of books called the Apocrypha. 632 00:32:14,090 --> 00:32:15,970 S2: That's the only vote the church has ever had on 633 00:32:15,970 --> 00:32:20,200 S2: voting in books, and that was done in the Counter-Reformation 634 00:32:20,200 --> 00:32:23,680 S2: period when they were trying to fight the Protestants because 635 00:32:23,680 --> 00:32:25,880 S2: they didn't like what the Protestants were saying, and they 636 00:32:25,880 --> 00:32:28,680 S2: wanted to elevate a group of books called the Apocrypha, 637 00:32:28,720 --> 00:32:31,720 S2: because they said two things in two passages about praying 638 00:32:31,720 --> 00:32:33,800 S2: for dead people that really had nothing to do with 639 00:32:33,800 --> 00:32:37,920 S2: selling indulgences, which was the the whole explosive doctrine that 640 00:32:37,920 --> 00:32:40,320 S2: started the whole Protestant Reformation, which is a whole nother story. 641 00:32:40,320 --> 00:32:43,080 S2: But that's the only time books have ever been voted on. 642 00:32:43,080 --> 00:32:45,600 S2: And no one had believed up until that time that 643 00:32:45,600 --> 00:32:47,880 S2: the Apocrypha was on par with any of the New 644 00:32:47,880 --> 00:32:49,880 S2: Testament books or the Old Testament books. 645 00:32:50,000 --> 00:32:51,520 S1: There was a young man who came up to you 646 00:32:51,520 --> 00:32:53,920 S1: after church one day and who said that that very 647 00:32:53,960 --> 00:32:57,240 S1: thing that, you know, they didn't talk about the, quote, 648 00:32:57,240 --> 00:33:01,160 S1: the scriptures, you know, in the early before 450 or 649 00:33:01,160 --> 00:33:03,600 S1: whatever it was, and you took him back to your office. 650 00:33:03,600 --> 00:33:04,440 S1: Do you remember that story? 651 00:33:04,480 --> 00:33:06,640 S2: Yes, I do. Yeah. I took him back and we 652 00:33:06,640 --> 00:33:09,400 S2: looked at all of these quotations from the early church 653 00:33:09,400 --> 00:33:12,680 S2: fathers quoting all of these books. And there's nothing you 654 00:33:12,680 --> 00:33:15,360 S2: can say after that, right? We have all of these 655 00:33:15,470 --> 00:33:19,950 S2: centuries of preaching about a supernatural Christ who did miracles 656 00:33:19,950 --> 00:33:22,790 S2: and rose from the dead and ascended to heaven. All 657 00:33:22,830 --> 00:33:24,990 S2: of this is true. Not to mention we have manuscript 658 00:33:24,990 --> 00:33:27,510 S2: evidence that we have in museums. I've held in my 659 00:33:27,510 --> 00:33:31,030 S2: hand at the Library of Antiquities I have held in 660 00:33:31,030 --> 00:33:35,590 S2: my hand second century manuscripts of the Book of Acts. 661 00:33:35,590 --> 00:33:39,310 S2: Second century manuscripts between two panes of glass with duct 662 00:33:39,350 --> 00:33:43,190 S2: tape around the edges. And there they are. And all 663 00:33:43,270 --> 00:33:46,510 S2: the all the scholars would say that the manuscript handwriting 664 00:33:46,510 --> 00:33:49,590 S2: on that dates back to the second century, and we 665 00:33:49,590 --> 00:33:53,790 S2: have them. It's exactly identical to my critical printed New Testament, 666 00:33:53,790 --> 00:33:57,390 S2: my Greek New Testament. It's all there. No one disputes it. 667 00:33:57,390 --> 00:34:00,270 S2: And so for Dan Brown or anyone else to say 668 00:34:00,510 --> 00:34:03,430 S2: that all of this was assembled later and no one 669 00:34:03,430 --> 00:34:05,990 S2: agreed or thought that this was New Testament is nonsense, 670 00:34:06,030 --> 00:34:08,270 S2: because we have all these sermons where they were preaching 671 00:34:08,270 --> 00:34:11,870 S2: from that very text. So it's all make believe in 672 00:34:11,870 --> 00:34:14,900 S2: these people's minds. It's a great way, as you said earlier, 673 00:34:14,900 --> 00:34:17,819 S2: to suppress the truth in unrighteousness. We'd like for it 674 00:34:17,820 --> 00:34:20,020 S2: not to be the Bible, but it is the Bible. 675 00:34:20,580 --> 00:34:23,339 S1: Uh, have you ever held a Gutenberg Bible in your hand? 676 00:34:23,380 --> 00:34:25,540 S2: I have just not too long ago. Yes. 677 00:34:25,540 --> 00:34:26,379 S1: How heavy was it? 678 00:34:26,420 --> 00:34:28,540 S2: Well, it's. They're big. They're gigantic. 679 00:34:29,380 --> 00:34:32,020 S1: Yes, I've seen one. I've seen one through the glass. 680 00:34:32,020 --> 00:34:34,420 S1: And I thought, I wonder what it's like to to 681 00:34:34,460 --> 00:34:35,540 S1: bench press that thing. 682 00:34:35,580 --> 00:34:39,180 S2: But even more impressive are the gigantic scrolls that were 683 00:34:39,180 --> 00:34:43,540 S2: in the ancient, uh, synagogues. I got a chance to 684 00:34:43,580 --> 00:34:48,060 S2: hold one recently from Spain that was probably 500 years old, 685 00:34:48,060 --> 00:34:50,660 S2: and they're gigantic and super heavy. And they would teach 686 00:34:50,660 --> 00:34:54,260 S2: from them in the synagogues, these Hebrew scrolls of the Torah, 687 00:34:54,580 --> 00:34:58,220 S2: and they're gigantic and just the history of the Bible 688 00:34:58,219 --> 00:35:01,500 S2: and how meticulously they were copied and how they were revered, 689 00:35:01,500 --> 00:35:04,940 S2: particularly in the Jewish communities. It's amazing. That's why we 690 00:35:04,940 --> 00:35:08,300 S2: don't talk much even about the Old Testament texts, because 691 00:35:08,300 --> 00:35:10,819 S2: they were brought together, particularly in the Old Testament, in 692 00:35:10,820 --> 00:35:14,420 S2: the repository of of the temple. They were guarded, they 693 00:35:14,420 --> 00:35:17,300 S2: were protected, and there was a professional class to continue 694 00:35:17,300 --> 00:35:20,820 S2: to copy them. And so there was very little doubt 695 00:35:20,820 --> 00:35:22,620 S2: that they were going to be corrupted, and they weren't 696 00:35:22,620 --> 00:35:25,779 S2: corrupted in the Dead Sea Scrolls proved that which we 697 00:35:25,780 --> 00:35:27,819 S2: found in the middle of the 20th century. 698 00:35:27,980 --> 00:35:31,100 S1: Yeah. I, uh, in our last segment, I want to 699 00:35:31,100 --> 00:35:33,660 S1: talk about this because my concern, I do have a 700 00:35:33,660 --> 00:35:38,180 S1: concern about people not getting the Bible correctly, whether outside 701 00:35:38,180 --> 00:35:40,939 S1: the church or inside the church. But my biggest, my 702 00:35:40,980 --> 00:35:44,580 S1: biggest concern is in my own daily life. Do I 703 00:35:44,620 --> 00:35:49,219 S1: marginalize Scripture? Do I see it less authoritative for me 704 00:35:49,820 --> 00:35:52,140 S1: than it should be? In other words, how do I 705 00:35:52,180 --> 00:35:54,420 S1: live this out? And we'll talk about that with doctor 706 00:35:54,420 --> 00:35:57,379 S1: Mike Faber as you hear him on Focal Point Radio. 707 00:35:57,780 --> 00:36:01,900 S1: And our featured resource today is an excellent book, the Bible, 708 00:36:01,900 --> 00:36:06,180 S1: a book like no other. Just go to Chris fabri.org. 709 00:36:06,219 --> 00:36:08,339 S1: We've got a link for it right there as well 710 00:36:08,340 --> 00:36:12,810 S1: as the inauguration. You can watch that. See that link 711 00:36:12,810 --> 00:36:24,930 S1: right there? Chris Fabry live.org. He is founding pastor of 712 00:36:24,930 --> 00:36:29,410 S1: Compass Bible Church, president of Compass Bible Institute, doctor Mike Faberes. 713 00:36:29,930 --> 00:36:33,250 S1: Featured resource. Today is the Bible a book like no other? 714 00:36:33,250 --> 00:36:37,010 S1: You can find out more about Focal Point, which he hosts. 715 00:36:37,050 --> 00:36:41,250 S1: He is in Chicago because of the inauguration of Doctor 716 00:36:41,250 --> 00:36:44,890 S1: Rick Nelson as the 11th president of Moody Bible Institute. 717 00:36:44,969 --> 00:36:48,690 S1: 140 years and 11 presidents do the math on that. 718 00:36:49,010 --> 00:36:51,890 S1: And I thought, let's have Mike in here and let's 719 00:36:51,890 --> 00:36:54,689 S1: talk about the Bible. So let me jump into one 720 00:36:54,690 --> 00:36:58,969 S1: of the other things that really confirms the authenticity of 721 00:36:58,969 --> 00:37:03,569 S1: the scriptures, and that is archaeology. What? And, and we 722 00:37:03,570 --> 00:37:06,130 S1: could talk about this for an hour, but what comes 723 00:37:06,130 --> 00:37:08,090 S1: to mind when you think about archaeology? 724 00:37:08,130 --> 00:37:10,640 S2: Well, here's the deal. You could write a book of 725 00:37:10,640 --> 00:37:14,320 S2: fantasy and fiction, which many people think the Bible is. 726 00:37:14,640 --> 00:37:17,680 S2: And then you could dig up all the places where 727 00:37:17,680 --> 00:37:20,879 S2: the claims are that these things took place. And all 728 00:37:20,880 --> 00:37:24,960 S2: the money, monetary units that you claimed were in vogue 729 00:37:24,960 --> 00:37:27,719 S2: at the time, and you'd never find those places and 730 00:37:27,719 --> 00:37:30,919 S2: you'd never find that money. You know, those coins, you'd 731 00:37:30,920 --> 00:37:33,640 S2: never find those leaders that you claimed were there. You 732 00:37:33,640 --> 00:37:38,280 S2: would go the rest of eternity and never find that stuff. Right. Um, consider, 733 00:37:38,280 --> 00:37:40,479 S2: for instance, the Book of Mormon, right. You could, you'd 734 00:37:40,480 --> 00:37:43,840 S2: never find that stuff. But in the Bible you find 735 00:37:43,840 --> 00:37:48,520 S2: that stuff year after year, decade after decade, century after century, 736 00:37:48,520 --> 00:37:51,279 S2: as long as you keep digging. And I just had 737 00:37:51,320 --> 00:37:54,000 S2: a we had something at Compass Bible Institute. We hosted 738 00:37:54,000 --> 00:37:57,399 S2: an archaeologist who came in. We're still finding things. We 739 00:37:57,440 --> 00:38:00,400 S2: continue to find. There's digs going on right now. The 740 00:38:00,400 --> 00:38:02,959 S2: archaeologists we brought in is starting a dig dig in 741 00:38:02,960 --> 00:38:07,960 S2: Bethseda and we're continuing to find in. Right. Hometown of Christ, 742 00:38:07,960 --> 00:38:11,640 S2: one of his headquarters. and we continue to find more 743 00:38:11,640 --> 00:38:16,080 S2: and more corroborating detail about what is written in the Gospels. 744 00:38:16,360 --> 00:38:19,759 S2: Over and over in my book, I cover the tale 745 00:38:20,080 --> 00:38:23,720 S2: the Tel Dan Stele, which I talk about the Hezekiah's tunnel. 746 00:38:23,719 --> 00:38:27,839 S2: I go through, you know, corroborating everything in Second Kings 20, uh, 747 00:38:27,840 --> 00:38:30,640 S2: the Cyrus Cylinder, which talks about the events of Ezra 748 00:38:30,840 --> 00:38:34,120 S2: and Nehemiah, the Pool of Siloam, which was always a 749 00:38:34,120 --> 00:38:38,960 S2: head scratcher for a long time until 2004, we didn't 750 00:38:38,960 --> 00:38:41,879 S2: know what they were talking about. Uh, Pontius Pilate stone, 751 00:38:41,880 --> 00:38:43,359 S2: a lot of people said, well, we don't even we're 752 00:38:43,360 --> 00:38:47,640 S2: not even sure that Pontius Pilate was real until 1961, 753 00:38:48,080 --> 00:38:51,839 S2: the Caiaphas ossuary, where they put bones. And then one 754 00:38:51,840 --> 00:38:53,719 S2: thing that I love is the coins of the Bible. 755 00:38:53,719 --> 00:38:55,560 S2: I have several books in my library on the coinage 756 00:38:55,560 --> 00:38:59,640 S2: of the Bible, which is just a fascinating study. There 757 00:38:59,719 --> 00:39:03,040 S2: are still coins in the Bible that we don't know 758 00:39:03,080 --> 00:39:05,839 S2: of anywhere. We don't have any record of them. Right? 759 00:39:05,880 --> 00:39:08,150 S2: Reading the end of the Book of job, for for instance, 760 00:39:08,150 --> 00:39:10,629 S2: or some in the book of Genesis. But trust me, 761 00:39:10,670 --> 00:39:14,230 S2: keep digging. Just keep digging. This is the fascinating thing 762 00:39:14,230 --> 00:39:20,229 S2: about archaeology. We have enough substantiated finds that I have 763 00:39:20,790 --> 00:39:24,509 S2: zero doubt. If you keep digging, we will keep finding. 764 00:39:24,750 --> 00:39:28,629 S1: And the widow's mite, for example, the right. What were 765 00:39:28,630 --> 00:39:30,750 S1: those called? I think it starts with a T, doesn't it? 766 00:39:30,790 --> 00:39:33,870 S2: Yeah. The. Yeah, I, I forget the name. The. Yep. 767 00:39:33,870 --> 00:39:36,150 S2: I know what you're talking about. I don't have it 768 00:39:36,150 --> 00:39:37,230 S2: off the top of my my. 769 00:39:37,270 --> 00:39:39,230 S1: Those have been found as well. 770 00:39:39,270 --> 00:39:43,430 S2: Yes, yes. And you can find replicas of those even 771 00:39:43,430 --> 00:39:45,670 S2: in the books they'll sell at Barnes and Noble. Right. 772 00:39:45,710 --> 00:39:48,149 S2: They'll have a little replica in the blister pack on 773 00:39:48,150 --> 00:39:51,390 S2: the front cover. Um, it's a lot of fun to 774 00:39:51,430 --> 00:39:54,830 S2: dig into this. And I might just have you look 775 00:39:54,830 --> 00:39:59,750 S2: at Titus Kennedy's book, Unearthing the Bible 101 Archaeological Discoveries. 776 00:39:59,750 --> 00:40:03,870 S2: It's easy to read. It's a great, great starter book. Or, uh, 777 00:40:03,870 --> 00:40:08,379 S2: Randall Price's book on on Handbook of Biblical Archaeology. It's 778 00:40:08,380 --> 00:40:10,900 S2: a great book. It'll take you another layer deep. I 779 00:40:10,940 --> 00:40:13,900 S2: have a bunch of books in the footnotes on the 780 00:40:13,900 --> 00:40:16,700 S2: chapter where I cover it all in the book, which 781 00:40:16,700 --> 00:40:19,820 S2: I think in my book is chapter seven. So just 782 00:40:19,820 --> 00:40:23,940 S2: it's a it's just one discipline that again, substantiates the 783 00:40:23,940 --> 00:40:25,260 S2: credibility of the Bible. 784 00:40:25,540 --> 00:40:28,380 S1: We were talking with Aaron Shust a little earlier this week, 785 00:40:28,380 --> 00:40:33,540 S1: who's coming back for the seminar summit on anti-Semitism in 786 00:40:33,580 --> 00:40:39,020 S1: the church in early November here at Moody. And there's 787 00:40:39,060 --> 00:40:43,020 S1: a part of where you talk about prophecy and specifically 788 00:40:43,020 --> 00:40:47,819 S1: about the survival of Israel or Israel's return. Why is 789 00:40:47,820 --> 00:40:48,620 S1: that important? 790 00:40:48,660 --> 00:40:51,700 S2: Oh, man. They are themselves almost, I hate to put 791 00:40:51,700 --> 00:40:55,379 S2: it this way. An archaeological artifact of the scriptures. Right? 792 00:40:55,420 --> 00:40:58,740 S2: Think about it. Here is Jesus in Matthew 24, and 793 00:40:58,780 --> 00:41:01,140 S2: this is my understanding even of the word genus. In 794 00:41:01,180 --> 00:41:03,700 S2: that passage, this generation will not pass away, not only 795 00:41:03,700 --> 00:41:07,450 S2: speaking contextually in that passage about the tribulation period. But 796 00:41:07,450 --> 00:41:10,170 S2: even Israel as a people group is not going to 797 00:41:10,210 --> 00:41:13,210 S2: pass away until all these things are accomplished. They, as 798 00:41:13,210 --> 00:41:16,290 S2: a people group, are chosen by God. As Romans chapter 799 00:41:16,290 --> 00:41:18,649 S2: 11 says, he is going to graft them back in 800 00:41:18,650 --> 00:41:22,130 S2: at the end of time. This people group protected by 801 00:41:22,130 --> 00:41:25,089 S2: God doesn't mean that they're individually saved unless they trust 802 00:41:25,090 --> 00:41:28,450 S2: in Christ. Now. But God has his special hand upon 803 00:41:28,450 --> 00:41:31,290 S2: them until they come to the end of this particular 804 00:41:31,290 --> 00:41:34,090 S2: time that we're in this, this epoch that we're in. 805 00:41:34,130 --> 00:41:37,529 S2: You're going to see this continue. You cannot become, as 806 00:41:37,530 --> 00:41:40,170 S2: so many are as popular to become, even in evangelical 807 00:41:40,170 --> 00:41:44,210 S2: churches today. For all intents and purposes, as an anti-Semite, 808 00:41:44,210 --> 00:41:47,529 S2: it's happening today in the church. But you should not be. 809 00:41:47,530 --> 00:41:50,569 S2: You cannot be. You must not be because God. They 810 00:41:50,610 --> 00:41:53,770 S2: are a friend of God in his covenant promises. And 811 00:41:53,770 --> 00:41:57,770 S2: Michael does a great job on this. And we should be. We. 812 00:41:57,810 --> 00:42:01,570 S2: We must be friends of Israel in terms of the covenant. 813 00:42:01,570 --> 00:42:03,810 S2: That's exactly what the Scripture says. As far as the gospel. 814 00:42:03,850 --> 00:42:06,930 S2: They may be theological enemies, but as it relates to 815 00:42:06,969 --> 00:42:10,330 S2: the promises of God, they are our friends. And God's 816 00:42:10,330 --> 00:42:15,090 S2: calling and the covenants, they're. They're irreversible. They'll never be reversed. 817 00:42:15,090 --> 00:42:18,890 S2: And therefore, we know that God, in maintaining them through 818 00:42:18,890 --> 00:42:22,330 S2: the Holocaust, through the hatred that's even going on today. 819 00:42:22,570 --> 00:42:24,690 S2: God is going to maintain them. And therefore, I want 820 00:42:24,690 --> 00:42:26,810 S2: to be on the right side of history on this one. 821 00:42:26,810 --> 00:42:28,969 S2: And therefore, I'm going to pray for the peace of Israel. 822 00:42:28,969 --> 00:42:30,730 S2: I'm going to pray for that people group, and I'm 823 00:42:30,730 --> 00:42:33,330 S2: not going to hop on the bandwagon because the Bible 824 00:42:33,330 --> 00:42:35,649 S2: has promised where they will be. This is bigger than 825 00:42:35,690 --> 00:42:39,210 S2: cities and stones and coins. This is a people group 826 00:42:39,210 --> 00:42:40,530 S2: that we've got to pray for. 827 00:42:41,890 --> 00:42:44,770 S1: Bring it down to, to my life and the person 828 00:42:44,770 --> 00:42:48,530 S1: who's listening right now, if this really is God's communication 829 00:42:48,530 --> 00:42:51,450 S1: to me, if, as Hebrews says, it's it's living, it 830 00:42:51,450 --> 00:42:54,450 S1: is active. How do I study it? Yeah. 831 00:42:54,450 --> 00:42:57,410 S2: Well, let's start with the most basic thing. Don't let 832 00:42:57,410 --> 00:42:59,770 S2: it just sit there. Don't let it just sit there. 833 00:42:59,770 --> 00:43:01,730 S2: You got to pick it up and you've got to 834 00:43:01,730 --> 00:43:03,719 S2: open it up. If it's on your phone, great. Make 835 00:43:03,719 --> 00:43:06,239 S2: it the first app on the first page. That's the 836 00:43:06,239 --> 00:43:09,399 S2: one that opens first and you open it up. If 837 00:43:09,400 --> 00:43:11,600 S2: you're sitting there pumping gas, you open it up and 838 00:43:11,600 --> 00:43:15,000 S2: you start reading it in the morning. First app you open, 839 00:43:15,000 --> 00:43:18,400 S2: don't start scrolling on Instagram or TikTok. Get get the 840 00:43:18,400 --> 00:43:20,799 S2: Bible open and read it before you go to bed 841 00:43:20,800 --> 00:43:23,839 S2: at night. Read it, get in the book and read it. 842 00:43:23,880 --> 00:43:26,720 S2: Have a how to have a study partner and start 843 00:43:26,719 --> 00:43:29,680 S2: studying the Bible. Talk about what you're learning. You've got 844 00:43:29,719 --> 00:43:31,960 S2: to have some accountability, making sure you're just in it. 845 00:43:31,960 --> 00:43:35,040 S2: That's the start, right? You can't just say, I love 846 00:43:35,040 --> 00:43:38,160 S2: the Bible and you don't spend time in the Bible. 847 00:43:38,160 --> 00:43:40,920 S2: So I just say, that's the first thing. And I, 848 00:43:40,960 --> 00:43:44,240 S2: you know, I'm all for electronic Bibles, I'm for Bible software. 849 00:43:44,239 --> 00:43:47,440 S2: That's great. But sometimes it's just great to go down 850 00:43:47,440 --> 00:43:50,600 S2: to your local Christian bookstore or bookstore that sells Bibles, 851 00:43:50,600 --> 00:43:53,200 S2: buy a brand new Bible. It's sometimes just having a 852 00:43:53,200 --> 00:43:56,480 S2: good tactile Bible in your hand, maybe a nice leather one. 853 00:43:56,719 --> 00:43:58,879 S2: Put it in a prominent place, pick it up. It's 854 00:43:58,880 --> 00:44:01,670 S2: sometimes just encourages you to pick it up and read it, 855 00:44:01,710 --> 00:44:04,790 S2: study it, get a highlighter, highlight it, get a pen, 856 00:44:04,790 --> 00:44:08,310 S2: write some things in the margin and just spend time saying, okay, God, 857 00:44:08,310 --> 00:44:11,230 S2: show me wonderful things in your word. I want to 858 00:44:11,270 --> 00:44:13,430 S2: learn what's in it. I want to know what it 859 00:44:13,430 --> 00:44:17,190 S2: says to the original audience. I want to find principles 860 00:44:17,190 --> 00:44:19,469 S2: in it that are timeless, and then I want to 861 00:44:19,469 --> 00:44:21,310 S2: make sure I apply it to what's going on in 862 00:44:21,310 --> 00:44:24,190 S2: my life now. That's what I call the then always 863 00:44:24,190 --> 00:44:28,390 S2: now method. TAN we call it the tan method in 864 00:44:28,390 --> 00:44:30,390 S2: our church. TAN we want to make sure we're well 865 00:44:30,430 --> 00:44:34,990 S2: tanned out there in California. TAN the tan method. Then always. 866 00:44:34,989 --> 00:44:36,910 S2: Now every day I got to get in the Bible 867 00:44:36,910 --> 00:44:39,270 S2: and say, what were they? What was this about then? 868 00:44:39,310 --> 00:44:42,069 S2: What's the always principle and what do I do about it? Now, 869 00:44:42,070 --> 00:44:44,510 S2: if you do that every day, that's what I call 870 00:44:44,510 --> 00:44:47,830 S2: simple Bible study. Then memorize a verse, right? Make sure 871 00:44:47,830 --> 00:44:49,989 S2: it gets in your head. Meditate on it, close your 872 00:44:49,989 --> 00:44:52,430 S2: eyes and think about it. Say, God, let me understand 873 00:44:52,430 --> 00:44:55,230 S2: this better and then live it out. Say, God, I 874 00:44:55,230 --> 00:44:56,430 S2: want to do something with it. 875 00:44:56,670 --> 00:44:59,980 S1: This hour, Mike has just been kind of a flyover, 876 00:45:00,020 --> 00:45:02,300 S1: just like the book is. The book is is deep, 877 00:45:02,300 --> 00:45:05,300 S1: but it's also you can step into it. It's it's 878 00:45:05,500 --> 00:45:11,180 S1: very accessible. It's called the Bible and a book like 879 00:45:11,180 --> 00:45:15,500 S1: no other. That's it. And it's by Mike Fabares, Doctor Fabares, 880 00:45:15,739 --> 00:45:17,859 S1: you can hear him on Focal Point and we've got 881 00:45:17,860 --> 00:45:22,180 S1: it linked@kris.org. This morning I was in Psalm 57. Here's 882 00:45:22,180 --> 00:45:24,860 S1: something for you. I cry out to God Most High, 883 00:45:25,380 --> 00:45:29,860 S1: to God, who fulfills his purpose for me. And I thought, 884 00:45:30,219 --> 00:45:32,620 S1: does he really have a purpose for me? And if 885 00:45:32,620 --> 00:45:36,020 S1: it is, he must want me to fulfill it. He 886 00:45:36,020 --> 00:45:38,140 S1: must want to work that out. If he starts a 887 00:45:38,140 --> 00:45:39,859 S1: good work in me, he's going to be faithful to 888 00:45:39,900 --> 00:45:42,980 S1: finish it. So just spend some time thinking about that. 889 00:45:42,980 --> 00:45:46,660 S1: Just one little section of one little verse, just like 890 00:45:46,660 --> 00:45:49,219 S1: we did about Crown him with many crowns earlier. You 891 00:45:49,219 --> 00:45:52,420 S1: just start thinking about that and see what God does 892 00:45:52,420 --> 00:45:56,459 S1: in your heart to draw you closer to himself, and 893 00:45:56,460 --> 00:46:00,339 S1: then living that out in front of other people. Doctor Fabros. 894 00:46:00,620 --> 00:46:02,900 S1: Thank you. Friend. Thanks for being here today. God bless you. 895 00:46:02,940 --> 00:46:03,580 S2: Thanks, Chris. 896 00:46:04,420 --> 00:46:07,620 S1: If you go to chris.org, since today is the day 897 00:46:07,620 --> 00:46:11,580 S1: of the inauguration of Doctor Rick Nelson, 11th president of 898 00:46:11,620 --> 00:46:15,379 S1: Moody Bible Institute, in 140 years, we have a link 899 00:46:15,380 --> 00:46:19,379 S1: there to the entire inauguration. Watch his message and sing 900 00:46:19,420 --> 00:46:22,780 S1: along with the hymns that they sing there as well. 901 00:46:22,940 --> 00:46:26,739 S1: Just go to chris.org. We also have a link to 902 00:46:26,780 --> 00:46:29,660 S1: the Bible, a book like no other right there. Chris 903 00:46:29,700 --> 00:46:33,460 S1: Fabry live dot ORG. Now here's your assignment. Have a 904 00:46:33,460 --> 00:46:37,339 S1: great weekend. Worship God over the weekend and come on 905 00:46:37,340 --> 00:46:42,140 S1: back Monday. Especially if you have trouble with sleep or 906 00:46:42,140 --> 00:46:44,580 S1: you know, somebody who does. We've got some help for 907 00:46:44,580 --> 00:46:47,340 S1: you on Monday right here on Chris Fabry Live, which 908 00:46:47,340 --> 00:46:50,060 S1: is a production of Moody Radio, a Ministry of Moody 909 00:46:50,140 --> 00:46:51,380 S1: Bible Institute.