WEBVTT - Hour 2: From Genesis to Revelation 0:00:08.840 --> 0:00:12.140 Hello friends. It's time for the second hour of Open 0:00:12.140 --> 0:00:15.950 Line with Doctor Michael Ray Dolnick Moody Radio's Bible Study 0:00:15.950 --> 0:00:20.239 Across America. We're talking about your questions about the Bible, 0:00:20.270 --> 0:00:23.840 God and the spiritual life. My name is Michael Ray Dolnick. 0:00:23.870 --> 0:00:26.900 I am the academic dean and a professor of Jewish 0:00:26.900 --> 0:00:31.040 Studies and Bible at Moody Bible Institute. We're live today 0:00:31.070 --> 0:00:35.570 sitting around the radio kitchen table taking your questions. So 0:00:35.570 --> 0:00:42.710 give me a call. The phone number (877) 548-3675. If you 0:00:42.710 --> 0:00:45.979 can't call, you can always go to our web page. Uh, 0:00:45.979 --> 0:00:50.479 the website is open Line radio.org. And you click on 0:00:50.510 --> 0:00:53.599 that and ask the place where it says Ask Michael 0:00:53.630 --> 0:00:56.210 a question. You can post your question there and Trish 0:00:56.210 --> 0:00:59.030 will put it put it in the mailbag in upcoming weeks. 0:00:59.030 --> 0:01:02.020 I hope you have your Bibles open, and I hope 0:01:02.020 --> 0:01:04.750 you have a second cup of coffee, because we're ready 0:01:04.750 --> 0:01:07.360 to study the scriptures. But I have to tell you, 0:01:07.360 --> 0:01:11.080 I am so excited about our brand new resource. It's 0:01:11.080 --> 0:01:15.310 a new month, we've got a new resource, and I 0:01:15.310 --> 0:01:18.580 just think it's a terrific resource, and I can't wait 0:01:18.580 --> 0:01:22.240 to tell you about it. It is about the Bible. 0:01:22.270 --> 0:01:24.790 Have you ever wondered how we got the Bible we 0:01:24.790 --> 0:01:30.819 read today? How ancient manuscripts became the book you read? Well, 0:01:30.850 --> 0:01:34.209 Carl Laney's book, The Story of the Bible takes you 0:01:34.209 --> 0:01:40.810 on a journey from God's superintending human authors, writing the 0:01:40.810 --> 0:01:46.270 original manuscripts to transmission to modern translations. It leads us 0:01:46.270 --> 0:01:48.670 from beginning to end of how we got the Bible, 0:01:48.670 --> 0:01:52.810 the question of canonicity, which books were chosen and how 0:01:52.810 --> 0:01:55.930 they were put in the Bible. Doctor Laney reveals how 0:01:55.930 --> 0:02:01.340 God worked through these human authors to how God used 0:02:01.340 --> 0:02:05.060 scribes to copy the text, how God used translators to 0:02:05.060 --> 0:02:08.270 give us a Bible that we can read and understand. 0:02:08.930 --> 0:02:10.910 If there's any book that you'll ever read that will 0:02:10.910 --> 0:02:14.179 give you greater confidence in the Word of God, this 0:02:14.180 --> 0:02:16.700 is the book for you. It's called The story of 0:02:16.700 --> 0:02:19.790 the Bible, and it's yours when you give a gift 0:02:19.790 --> 0:02:22.940 of any size to open line. I'm so grateful for 0:02:22.940 --> 0:02:27.350 this resource. I love Carlini, I love his work. He 0:02:27.350 --> 0:02:31.730 taught for many, many years at Western Seminary in Portland 0:02:32.540 --> 0:02:36.230 and the you know, he's retired now, but he still 0:02:36.230 --> 0:02:38.900 runs ten K's all the time and stuff like that. 0:02:38.900 --> 0:02:42.230 So he is active writing and this is a book 0:02:42.230 --> 0:02:44.420 that that I got a copy of because I was 0:02:44.419 --> 0:02:47.900 interested and seeing if this would be a great book 0:02:47.900 --> 0:02:52.490 for the Open Line audience. I think it is a terrific, uh, 0:02:53.000 --> 0:02:55.430 just a terrific resource for you. And I get a 0:02:55.460 --> 0:02:57.620 lot of questions about how he got the Bible. So 0:02:57.620 --> 0:03:00.260 I thought, well, this is it. Uh, when you give 0:03:00.290 --> 0:03:02.060 a gift of any size, we'd like to say thank 0:03:02.060 --> 0:03:05.120 you by sending you a copy. Just go to our website, 0:03:05.120 --> 0:03:14.300 openline radio.org, or call (888) 644-7122. Don't miss out and make 0:03:14.330 --> 0:03:17.060 sure to ask for the story of the Bible when 0:03:17.060 --> 0:03:21.710 you give. Uh, we're going to talk to Amaya in Gurnee, Illinois, 0:03:21.710 --> 0:03:25.490 listening on Wmbi. Welcome to Open Line. Amaya, how can 0:03:25.490 --> 0:03:26.359 I help you? 0:03:26.930 --> 0:03:29.480 Hi. Good morning. Thank you so much for taking my call. 0:03:29.510 --> 0:03:34.760 I'm reading in the book of Samuel. And in first Samuel. 0:03:34.790 --> 0:03:37.220 Hannah prays for a son, and she's crying with a 0:03:37.250 --> 0:03:40.250 lot of anguish. So my question is, did she feel 0:03:40.250 --> 0:03:41.420 the Holy Spirit? 0:03:42.830 --> 0:03:45.500 Does it say that she felt the Holy Spirit? 0:03:46.250 --> 0:03:49.490 It doesn't. But I think that she could have felt 0:03:49.490 --> 0:03:52.880 the Holy Spirit. But there's rumor out there that Jesus wasn't. 0:03:52.880 --> 0:03:58.020 Since Jesus wasn't there, there wasn't. Um. There's no way 0:03:58.020 --> 0:04:00.450 she could have felt the Holy Spirit in the Old Testament. 0:04:00.480 --> 0:04:02.370 The Holy Spirit wasn't alive, is what they're saying. 0:04:02.400 --> 0:04:07.560 Yeah, well, that's a mistake. Uh, now, I don't know 0:04:07.560 --> 0:04:09.810 if she felt the Holy Spirit. When I cry out, 0:04:09.810 --> 0:04:14.280 sometimes I feel I sense the Holy Spirit, but sometimes 0:04:14.280 --> 0:04:20.250 I don't. Uh, and, uh, but to say that there 0:04:20.250 --> 0:04:26.070 was no Holy Spirit operating at that time is a 0:04:26.070 --> 0:04:31.770 mistaken inference. It's not right. Uh, it says, for example, 0:04:31.770 --> 0:04:34.560 in first Samuel chapter 11. So it's part of the 0:04:34.560 --> 0:04:37.110 same book written at the same time, not an event 0:04:37.110 --> 0:04:39.870 at the same time, but written at the same time. 0:04:39.900 --> 0:04:45.990 It said that when Paul, when Saul, not Paul, when Saul, 0:04:45.990 --> 0:04:51.300 the first king of Israel, heard the threats against Jabesh Gilead. Uh, 0:04:51.300 --> 0:04:55.780 the Spirit of God suddenly took control of him and 0:04:55.779 --> 0:05:01.390 his anger burned furiously. So first Samuel 11 six. There 0:05:01.390 --> 0:05:07.900 it is. Uh, Saul certainly felt the Holy Spirit, and 0:05:07.900 --> 0:05:10.630 it caused him to be angry at the attack on 0:05:10.630 --> 0:05:15.550 Jabesh Gilead. So, uh, was there a Holy Spirit operating 0:05:15.550 --> 0:05:17.230 in the Old Testament? You bet. There's a lot of 0:05:17.230 --> 0:05:19.750 other places I could show you. But beginning with the 0:05:19.750 --> 0:05:23.169 very first verse of the Bible, uh, where it talks 0:05:23.170 --> 0:05:26.380 about creation, in the beginning, God created the heavens and 0:05:26.380 --> 0:05:30.670 the earth. Uh, and the earth was, I would translate 0:05:30.670 --> 0:05:36.220 it a wilderness and a waste. And then it says, uh, 0:05:36.220 --> 0:05:40.090 darkness covered the surface of the watery depths, and the 0:05:40.089 --> 0:05:43.810 Spirit of God was hovering over the surface of the waters. 0:05:43.810 --> 0:05:48.610 Was there a Holy Spirit operating then? You bet. 0:05:49.029 --> 0:05:49.599 Yeah. 0:05:49.660 --> 0:05:54.450 Okay. Thank you. Yeah. Thanks for your call, Amaya. Uh, always. 0:05:54.450 --> 0:05:56.970 God the father, God the son, God the Holy Spirit. 0:05:56.970 --> 0:06:00.840 Just the revelation, the clarity of the Trinity develops over time. 0:06:00.839 --> 0:06:07.290 But there always was a spirit of God operating. Uh, 0:06:07.290 --> 0:06:11.460 Garrett in Lake Worth, Florida, listening on RGM. Welcome to 0:06:11.490 --> 0:06:13.680 Open Line. How can I help you? And how is 0:06:13.680 --> 0:06:16.620 it in beautiful, sunny Florida? That's what I want to know. 0:06:17.250 --> 0:06:22.350 Good morning, Doctor Radonich. And greetings to to your wife. Uh, 0:06:22.800 --> 0:06:28.290 I have a question. Uh, uh, it's, uh, two questions 0:06:28.290 --> 0:06:34.289 in one. Uh, thank you for taking my call. Uh, 0:06:34.290 --> 0:06:38.760 when did the mother of Jesus die? And where and 0:06:38.760 --> 0:06:46.740 how old were they? My her and, uh, Joseph, my grandson, 11, 0:06:46.770 --> 0:06:48.150 asked me this question. 0:06:48.240 --> 0:06:50.580 Well, you got to tell your grandson there are a 0:06:50.580 --> 0:06:55.190 lot of things we just don't know. And we do. 0:06:55.220 --> 0:06:57.710 It does appear that by the time we see the 0:06:57.710 --> 0:07:02.390 Lord Jesus as an adult in his adult ministry, Joseph 0:07:02.390 --> 0:07:06.830 seems to have passed from the scene. He probably has 0:07:06.830 --> 0:07:10.520 died by this point. And the mother of the Lord 0:07:10.520 --> 0:07:15.200 Jesus is a widow. It does appear that way, although 0:07:15.200 --> 0:07:20.810 it never states it categorically. It's just that Joseph isn't around. Uh. 0:07:22.610 --> 0:07:29.390 Where and when and where she's buried. How, Mary? The 0:07:29.390 --> 0:07:34.190 Bible doesn't tell us. Uh. It just doesn't say. And 0:07:34.190 --> 0:07:39.440 so I'm sure there are traditions in other churches and 0:07:39.440 --> 0:07:44.180 places like that, but according to Scripture, there's no word 0:07:44.180 --> 0:07:46.460 of it. And so it's just something that God knows 0:07:46.460 --> 0:07:48.590 and we don't. Okay. 0:07:49.310 --> 0:07:52.350 I searched the scriptures myself and I couldn't find any. 0:07:52.440 --> 0:07:55.739 No, there's nothing about it. So. Okay. Garrett, thanks for 0:07:55.740 --> 0:08:03.869 your call. Appreciate it. Uh. We're, uh. Are we in 0:08:03.870 --> 0:08:07.620 the window? No. We're not. Okay. Uh, we're going to 0:08:07.650 --> 0:08:12.480 talk to Nicole in Cleveland, Ohio, listening on wtxf. Welcome 0:08:12.480 --> 0:08:14.790 to Open Line, Nicole. How can I help you? 0:08:15.330 --> 0:08:17.490 Hi. Thanks for taking my call. It's so great to 0:08:17.520 --> 0:08:22.830 hear from you. And my question is, um, if you do, 0:08:22.830 --> 0:08:25.170 you have to be a pastor or a minister, you know, 0:08:25.200 --> 0:08:29.130 somebody of that status to be able to baptize someone 0:08:29.130 --> 0:08:33.990 or can a person that is a Christian baptize a 0:08:33.990 --> 0:08:35.880 person that is a new believer? 0:08:36.059 --> 0:08:41.069 I don't see anything in Scripture that says it has 0:08:41.070 --> 0:08:44.280 to be someone who is a pastor. I just don't 0:08:44.280 --> 0:08:52.460 see it. Uh, Nevertheless, some local churches might say that, 0:08:52.460 --> 0:08:57.530 and I would respect what decisions a local church has 0:08:57.530 --> 0:09:00.530 about that. So okay. 0:09:00.559 --> 0:09:03.350 Because my son is has a friend that's going that 0:09:03.350 --> 0:09:08.030 goes to a church that they do that. And um, 0:09:08.059 --> 0:09:11.750 that's why I wanted to get your opinion to know 0:09:11.780 --> 0:09:12.770 if that. 0:09:12.800 --> 0:09:16.069 Yeah, I would, I would respect I would respect the 0:09:16.070 --> 0:09:19.790 authority of a local church if that's what they want. 0:09:19.820 --> 0:09:22.609 That's what I would do. Uh, although I don't see 0:09:22.610 --> 0:09:25.970 anything in Scripture that compels me to say it must 0:09:25.970 --> 0:09:28.699 be the pastor or an elder or someone from that 0:09:28.700 --> 0:09:35.510 church that does it. Uh, but uh uh, so, for example, 0:09:35.690 --> 0:09:39.080 when when I go to Israel, there are always people 0:09:39.080 --> 0:09:44.599 that want me to baptize them, uh, in the, the Jordan. 0:09:44.600 --> 0:09:47.059 And I always say, well, I baptize in the wider Jordan, 0:09:47.059 --> 0:09:50.810 which is the the Sea of Galilee. It's the same water. 0:09:50.809 --> 0:09:52.910 It's just it's a little easier to get in it. 0:09:52.910 --> 0:09:58.010 And then, uh, the other thing that I say is 0:09:58.010 --> 0:10:00.679 I have some limits. I really encourage people not to 0:10:00.710 --> 0:10:04.610 be rebaptized. The first baptism counted, you know, in terms 0:10:04.610 --> 0:10:07.040 of if you became a believer and then you were baptized, 0:10:07.070 --> 0:10:11.450 you being in the water in Israel doesn't make any difference. 0:10:11.450 --> 0:10:15.530 And then the other thing I say is, if you 0:10:15.559 --> 0:10:18.380 were baptized as a baby and you want to be 0:10:18.380 --> 0:10:23.480 baptized for real as a follower of Jesus, uh, that 0:10:23.510 --> 0:10:26.630 I'm okay with that. But is the church you're attending 0:10:26.630 --> 0:10:29.240 going to be okay with that? I don't want to 0:10:29.240 --> 0:10:32.780 baptize someone if I'm not their pastor, and their church 0:10:32.780 --> 0:10:36.530 would say no, you must be baptized by the the pastor. 0:10:37.100 --> 0:10:40.400 And so that's the limitation I put on it. I 0:10:40.400 --> 0:10:45.349 don't want to I don't want to disrespect the local church. Okay, okay. 0:10:45.590 --> 0:10:46.430 Thank you so much. 0:10:46.460 --> 0:10:51.350 Yeah. Okay. Thanks for your call. Appreciate it. Uh, Angie. Uh, 0:10:51.350 --> 0:10:52.940 I don't know where you're calling from. Where are you 0:10:52.970 --> 0:10:53.900 calling from? 0:10:54.890 --> 0:10:57.320 Uh, Chattanooga, Tennessee. WNBA. 0:10:57.890 --> 0:11:01.160 Hey. That's great, I could tell. You know what? If 0:11:01.190 --> 0:11:02.750 you had just talked, I would have been able to 0:11:02.780 --> 0:11:03.620 guess that. 0:11:03.740 --> 0:11:06.859 You would have known I was southern. Thank you for 0:11:06.860 --> 0:11:11.330 taking my call. Yeah, um, I just lost my daddy 0:11:11.360 --> 0:11:15.350 December 31st. I'm 56. He was 82. I'm sorry. I'm 0:11:15.350 --> 0:11:19.730 an only child. That was a daddy's girl. Thank you. It's, uh. I'm. 0:11:19.880 --> 0:11:24.199 We're Christians. We're believers. But this this is this has 0:11:24.200 --> 0:11:28.790 taken me down a dark road. Mhm. I'll need to know, 0:11:28.790 --> 0:11:31.880 does my daddy remember me in heaven? 0:11:32.840 --> 0:11:38.059 In my opinion, uh, when we go to heaven, there's 0:11:38.059 --> 0:11:41.510 nothing in Scripture that says that God has some divine 0:11:41.510 --> 0:11:46.000 neuralyzer where he makes us forget. Uh, do you remember 0:11:46.000 --> 0:11:49.540 the Neuralyzer and Men in Black? You know where they were? Yeah. Yeah, 0:11:49.570 --> 0:11:53.650 that doesn't happen. I do think God brings his special 0:11:53.650 --> 0:11:57.910 comfort for the pain that we have, the sorrows that 0:11:57.910 --> 0:12:01.780 we've had. I don't I think that God. Because he'll 0:12:01.780 --> 0:12:04.270 wipe away every tear. So that means he comforts us. 0:12:04.270 --> 0:12:10.209 It doesn't mean he removes the memory. Uh, okay. And, uh, 0:12:10.690 --> 0:12:15.369 so I'm absolutely convinced that we will recognize and remember 0:12:15.370 --> 0:12:19.059 each other. And we remember each other even before we 0:12:19.059 --> 0:12:22.689 recognize each other, because obviously you're not there yet. Uh, 0:12:23.470 --> 0:12:28.240 the other the one thing that sometimes people think, and I, 0:12:28.270 --> 0:12:33.010 I differ with my friend Mike Vanlandingham. I don't believe 0:12:33.010 --> 0:12:37.449 that your daddy can see what you're doing right now. Uh, 0:12:37.450 --> 0:12:40.360 I don't think your father does that. Uh, I think 0:12:40.360 --> 0:12:43.690 that he is taken up with what's going on. We 0:12:43.720 --> 0:12:50.829 don't become divine little mini beings that have omniscience. Heaven 0:12:50.830 --> 0:12:56.890 is an utterly different, uh, place. And God can see 0:12:56.890 --> 0:13:00.220 what's going on on earth. I don't believe that we 0:13:00.220 --> 0:13:04.450 do when we die, but his memory is intact, maybe 0:13:04.450 --> 0:13:08.710 even stronger of all the details of his loving relationship 0:13:08.710 --> 0:13:12.100 with you. And I think that that is something that 0:13:12.100 --> 0:13:15.280 that he celebrates while he's there in heaven. And he 0:13:15.280 --> 0:13:19.090 looks forward to you being there with him someday. Uh, 0:13:19.090 --> 0:13:23.980 so that's what I would say. Uh, however, he's not 0:13:24.010 --> 0:13:28.030 watching you now. You know who's watching you? Someone even better. 0:13:28.059 --> 0:13:30.310 The Lord Jesus is never going to leave us or 0:13:30.309 --> 0:13:33.579 forsake us. So the Lord Jesus is watching out for 0:13:33.580 --> 0:13:40.480 you now. Okay. Does that help? Angie up? Seemed to 0:13:40.480 --> 0:13:46.120 have lost Angie, but I hope that she heard that. Uh, 0:13:46.750 --> 0:13:49.960 so we're going to take a break here. When we 0:13:49.990 --> 0:13:56.140 come back, uh, we'll talk with you about your questions 0:13:56.140 --> 0:13:58.809 about the Bible, God, and the spiritual life. You're listening 0:13:58.840 --> 0:14:02.410 to Open Line with Michael Ray Dolnick, and we're going 0:14:02.410 --> 0:14:05.950 to be taking many more questions. So stay with us 0:14:05.950 --> 0:14:28.359 right here on Moody Radio. And we're back. Hey, I 0:14:28.360 --> 0:14:35.200 was at National Religious Broadcasters this past week, and I 0:14:35.200 --> 0:14:41.310 actually met some people from different stations and one, you know, 0:14:41.340 --> 0:14:43.470 they were they were like the exact team from different 0:14:43.470 --> 0:14:47.460 stations and so forth. And one of the coolest things 0:14:47.460 --> 0:14:53.490 was this it wasn't a moody, uh, owned and operated station, 0:14:53.490 --> 0:14:57.330 but rather one of the many affiliates that take programming 0:14:57.330 --> 0:15:01.170 from Moody Radio. And they we met and they said 0:15:01.170 --> 0:15:03.300 one of the people on the team said, I'm a 0:15:03.300 --> 0:15:09.479 kitchen table partner. And I was so pleased, uh, to 0:15:09.510 --> 0:15:14.430 see someone who actually is running a radio station and 0:15:14.430 --> 0:15:17.040 wants to be a kitchen table partner. It just shows 0:15:17.070 --> 0:15:20.430 to shows me how wide a team we have and 0:15:20.430 --> 0:15:24.720 how grateful I am for everyone on that team. It's 0:15:24.720 --> 0:15:26.790 not just the team that I see here. Like Omar 0:15:26.790 --> 0:15:30.330 shaking his head right now, uh, or to hear her, 0:15:30.330 --> 0:15:35.070 but also the team of people who wanted to bring 0:15:35.100 --> 0:15:38.340 Moody Radio onto their station open line on their station. 0:15:38.340 --> 0:15:43.220 But in addition, they're there helping by giving monthly so 0:15:43.220 --> 0:15:45.290 that I can be on the air weekly. And I 0:15:45.320 --> 0:15:48.830 am so grateful that they're doing that. And I was 0:15:48.830 --> 0:15:52.100 hoping that some of you who are listening, you may 0:15:52.100 --> 0:15:55.340 have given one time or you give whenever there's a 0:15:55.340 --> 0:15:58.100 new resource because you want to get the resource, but 0:15:58.100 --> 0:16:01.310 you haven't really determined that you want to give monthly. 0:16:01.310 --> 0:16:06.110 I hope maybe you'll consider that becoming a kitchen kitchen 0:16:06.110 --> 0:16:09.680 table partner. You'll still get the resource that we offer, 0:16:09.680 --> 0:16:14.600 but this would give us a great confidence. And, and, uh, 0:16:14.600 --> 0:16:17.810 the certainty of when we were making budgets and things 0:16:17.810 --> 0:16:20.450 like that. Uh, it'll keep us on the air, and 0:16:20.450 --> 0:16:23.810 we so appreciate it if you'll consider it. Uh, if 0:16:23.840 --> 0:16:29.000 you if you will, uh, then all you have to 0:16:29.000 --> 0:16:35.360 do is go to Openline radio.org. Uh, you can also, uh, 0:16:35.360 --> 0:16:40.170 call 877. I'm sorry, not eight. 77 ah, I keep 0:16:40.170 --> 0:16:43.860 I keep getting that that number confused with our call 0:16:43.860 --> 0:16:52.229 in number. Uh, if you want to, you can call (888) 644-7122. 0:16:52.260 --> 0:16:58.380 That's (888) 644-7122. If you'd like to become a kitchen table partner, 0:16:58.380 --> 0:17:00.570 if you do, we'll send you an audio Bible study 0:17:00.570 --> 0:17:03.420 every other week. In your email, you get to listen 0:17:03.420 --> 0:17:06.300 to it. I hope you'll enjoy that. Uh, we're going 0:17:06.330 --> 0:17:11.010 to talk now with Mark in Florida listening on WLKY's. 0:17:11.040 --> 0:17:13.440 Welcome to Open Line. Mark, how can I help you. 0:17:13.740 --> 0:17:16.560 Yeah. Thank you so much for taking my call I 0:17:16.560 --> 0:17:17.459 appreciate it. 0:17:17.490 --> 0:17:18.180 Sure. 0:17:18.750 --> 0:17:23.040 Okay. My question is in reference on, uh, Daniel nine 0:17:23.040 --> 0:17:26.190 where it talks about the seven years, the time, time, 0:17:26.220 --> 0:17:29.130 time and a half, which is seven years. And I'm 0:17:29.130 --> 0:17:29.910 trying to. 0:17:30.600 --> 0:17:34.590 Know the time times and the half time times and 0:17:34.590 --> 0:17:38.700 time and a half. That one. That's the the times. 0:17:38.730 --> 0:17:42.630 Time and time and a half. Time. That's it. Yeah. 0:17:42.630 --> 0:17:45.150 That's three and a half years, not seven. 0:17:45.720 --> 0:17:46.110 Okay. 0:17:46.140 --> 0:17:49.560 And it's the second that refers to the second half 0:17:49.560 --> 0:17:53.609 of the tribulation period, which is a seven year period. 0:17:55.050 --> 0:17:57.330 Okay. That was my question. Was that the second half 0:17:57.330 --> 0:18:01.200 of the tribulation. Yeah. And another thing was the four 0:18:01.200 --> 0:18:04.619 horsemen was that in the second half or the the 0:18:04.619 --> 0:18:05.909 beginning part of it? 0:18:05.940 --> 0:18:08.639 The four horsemen of the apocalypse. 0:18:08.670 --> 0:18:10.530 Off the apocalypse in revelation. 0:18:10.560 --> 0:18:13.260 Yeah. Unlike a student of mine who called them the 0:18:13.260 --> 0:18:19.080 Four horsemen of the Acropolis. Uh, the the the four 0:18:19.109 --> 0:18:25.140 horsemen of the apocalypse are, uh, in revelation six and 0:18:25.140 --> 0:18:28.830 it says, I looked and saw a white horse, and 0:18:28.830 --> 0:18:31.740 the horseman on it had a bow. A crown was 0:18:31.740 --> 0:18:34.470 given to him, and he went out as a victor 0:18:34.490 --> 0:18:37.639 to conquer the word for crown. There is not the 0:18:37.640 --> 0:18:42.680 normal crown that's used for the crown of the Lord Jesus, 0:18:42.680 --> 0:18:45.500 and this is referring to a different king that will 0:18:45.500 --> 0:18:50.510 have authority in the tribulation period. That's the beast. This 0:18:50.510 --> 0:18:55.640 has to do with the authority of the beast. And then, uh, 0:18:56.810 --> 0:19:01.190 the second horse is red fiery red horse, and that 0:19:01.190 --> 0:19:04.790 refers to war. Uh, the third horse is a black horse. 0:19:04.790 --> 0:19:06.679 And the horseman on it had a set of scales 0:19:06.680 --> 0:19:09.770 in his hand. And it has to do with inflation, 0:19:09.770 --> 0:19:12.320 believe it or not, because a quart of wheat for 0:19:12.350 --> 0:19:14.720 a denarius, a full day of pay just to get 0:19:14.720 --> 0:19:19.550 a bag of wheat. And then the fourth seal is death, uh, 0:19:19.550 --> 0:19:23.450 a pale green horse, and it causes a plague for 0:19:23.480 --> 0:19:26.330 a fourth of the earth. Okay, those are the Four 0:19:26.330 --> 0:19:29.810 horsemen of the apocalypse, and they take place in the 0:19:29.810 --> 0:19:34.880 first half of the tribulation. They are part of the 0:19:34.880 --> 0:19:40.340 seal judgments. Uh, the first, second, third and fourth seal, 0:19:40.369 --> 0:19:44.330 the six first six seal judgments take place in the 0:19:44.330 --> 0:19:47.510 first half of the tribulation. And then the seventh seal 0:19:47.510 --> 0:19:51.470 opens the trumpet judgments. And those are the second half 0:19:51.470 --> 0:19:53.750 of the tribulation. Okay. 0:19:54.530 --> 0:19:55.670 So much I appreciate it. 0:19:55.670 --> 0:19:58.340 Yeah. Thanks for your call. Really appreciate it. We're going 0:19:58.369 --> 0:20:03.740 to talk to Fred in Minnesota listening on 102.7 the word. 0:20:03.859 --> 0:20:05.870 Hey Fred, how can I help you today. 0:20:07.250 --> 0:20:11.390 Thank you. Mike, uh, I got a question that's been 0:20:11.390 --> 0:20:16.100 zooming around this area in my head as well. And 0:20:16.130 --> 0:20:20.780 does the Bible support flat earth or round global Earth? 0:20:21.590 --> 0:20:27.709 Well, uh, do you think the Bible would support something 0:20:27.710 --> 0:20:29.600 that's absolutely untrue? 0:20:30.500 --> 0:20:31.899 Absolutely, I do not. 0:20:31.930 --> 0:20:36.100 Okay. I don't think so either. So, uh, the Bible 0:20:36.100 --> 0:20:42.490 really doesn't talk about, uh, the atmosphere in that way, but, uh, 0:20:43.930 --> 0:20:51.430 it does have a verse in Isaiah that, uh, talks 0:20:51.430 --> 0:20:57.639 about the sphericity of the earth. It's Isaiah 40 and 0:20:57.640 --> 0:21:02.620 I believe verse 22, uh, and there it talks about 0:21:02.619 --> 0:21:08.830 God sitting over the circle of the earth. And the circle, uh, 0:21:09.130 --> 0:21:15.070 could be translated easily as the sphere, the, the, the roundness, 0:21:15.070 --> 0:21:20.050 the sphericity. God sits on this over the sphere of 0:21:20.050 --> 0:21:23.470 the earth. God is enthroned above the sphere of the earth. Now, 0:21:23.500 --> 0:21:26.470 most versions say circle, but it's talking about a sphere. 0:21:26.470 --> 0:21:30.960 And so it does appear there that it's talking about 0:21:30.990 --> 0:21:34.139 the earth being round. Now, what is important to remember is, 0:21:34.170 --> 0:21:35.879 you know, it talks about the four corners of the 0:21:35.880 --> 0:21:40.020 earth and things like that. Well, just because of using 0:21:40.050 --> 0:21:43.409 figures of speech like that doesn't mean the Bible is 0:21:43.410 --> 0:21:46.380 saying the Bible that the earth is flat any more 0:21:46.410 --> 0:21:49.919 than the weatherman who talks about, you know, I, I 0:21:49.950 --> 0:21:52.050 listen to local news and they have the weather and 0:21:52.050 --> 0:21:56.459 they'll talk about sunup is certain. You know, sunrise is 0:21:56.490 --> 0:22:00.180 a certain certain time doesn't mean that they really believe 0:22:00.210 --> 0:22:05.580 the sun rises. It just is common expression. Uh, common 0:22:05.580 --> 0:22:09.180 way of speaking to talk about sunrise. But it doesn't 0:22:09.180 --> 0:22:12.720 mean that they believe that the sun is rotating around 0:22:12.720 --> 0:22:19.020 the Earth, right? So. Okay. Okay. Yes. Yeah. So, no, 0:22:19.020 --> 0:22:21.660 the Bible does not support a flat earth. It does 0:22:21.660 --> 0:22:25.440 support the idea of a sphere of an Earth. Okay. 0:22:26.160 --> 0:22:26.790 Okay. 0:22:26.820 --> 0:22:29.770 Good. Thanks for your call. Appreciate it. We're going to 0:22:29.770 --> 0:22:36.220 talk to, uh, Gary also listening on 102.7 the word wow. 0:22:36.250 --> 0:22:39.639 Two in a row. Uh, welcome to Open Line, Gary. 0:22:39.670 --> 0:22:40.810 How can I help you? 0:22:41.260 --> 0:22:45.400 Thank you. Thank you for taking my call. But, um, 0:22:45.550 --> 0:22:48.610 I have been studying the Bible, and I was wondering 0:22:48.609 --> 0:22:51.910 if you could explain to me in the Bible what 0:22:51.910 --> 0:22:54.580 is what is the purpose of baptism? 0:22:56.109 --> 0:23:01.900 The purpose of baptism is to be a public identification 0:23:01.900 --> 0:23:10.480 for our faith. Uh, identifying with the Lord Jesus publicly. Uh, 0:23:10.480 --> 0:23:11.890 I think you see that. 0:23:12.160 --> 0:23:14.530 Hey, what verse in the Bible says that? 0:23:15.640 --> 0:23:21.730 Give me a second. I'll get there. Uh. And, uh, 0:23:22.420 --> 0:23:29.909 we're going to look at acts uh, eight. It's where, uh, 0:23:29.910 --> 0:23:36.840 Philip said, uh, to the Ethiopian. He said he ordered 0:23:36.840 --> 0:23:40.500 the chariot. Wait. Wait a second. Philip proceeded to tell 0:23:40.500 --> 0:23:44.970 the Ethiopian official the good news about Jesus beginning from 0:23:44.970 --> 0:23:50.040 the scriptures, and obviously he believed. And the official said, look, 0:23:50.070 --> 0:23:53.280 there's water. What would keep me from being baptized? And 0:23:53.280 --> 0:23:55.770 Philip said, if you believe with all your heart, you may. 0:23:55.800 --> 0:23:58.080 And he replied, I believe that Jesus Christ is the 0:23:58.080 --> 0:24:00.720 Son of God. And he ordered the chariot to stop, 0:24:00.720 --> 0:24:03.720 and both Philip and the eunuch went down into the water. 0:24:03.750 --> 0:24:08.730 So obviously, uh, more of an immersion. And he baptized him, 0:24:08.730 --> 0:24:13.679 immersed him. Uh, and that's, that's, uh, I think a 0:24:13.680 --> 0:24:19.020 good example that the eunuch, the Ethiopian official, wanted to 0:24:19.050 --> 0:24:22.739 publicly identify with his faith. Another purpose of baptism is 0:24:22.740 --> 0:24:25.680 to identify with the death and resurrection of Jesus. You 0:24:25.680 --> 0:24:30.140 can read about that in Romans six, that we died 0:24:30.140 --> 0:24:34.730 with him and were raised to new life. That's that's 0:24:34.730 --> 0:24:42.290 a pretty clear explanation of a purpose. Uh, and so 0:24:42.320 --> 0:24:44.750 that's what I would say the purpose is. Here's the thing. 0:24:44.780 --> 0:24:50.990 God expects believers to be baptized. There's no such thing 0:24:50.990 --> 0:24:56.120 as an unbaptized believer in the Bible. Uh, when someone 0:24:56.119 --> 0:25:01.700 comes to faith, they are baptized. Now, there are today 0:25:01.700 --> 0:25:04.970 there are some people who baptize babies. I would say 0:25:04.970 --> 0:25:07.219 that that's not something I would agree with. It's not 0:25:07.220 --> 0:25:08.960 something I want to go to war about, but it's 0:25:08.960 --> 0:25:11.540 not something I agree with. I think believers are the 0:25:11.540 --> 0:25:14.240 ones who are baptized. And then there are some churches 0:25:14.240 --> 0:25:17.629 that believe in adult or believer baptism. Not necessarily adult, 0:25:17.630 --> 0:25:22.280 but believer baptism. And what they do is they want 0:25:22.310 --> 0:25:25.109 to make sure you're on the track to discipleship. I'm 0:25:25.109 --> 0:25:26.669 not sure I agree with that either. I think we 0:25:26.670 --> 0:25:29.250 should be baptized really, as soon as we come to 0:25:29.280 --> 0:25:34.050 faith in Jesus. Uh, however, uh, you know, I would 0:25:34.050 --> 0:25:36.179 respect that as well. I don't want to go to 0:25:36.210 --> 0:25:38.340 war over that. That's that's what I would say. Thanks 0:25:38.340 --> 0:25:41.550 for your call. Really appreciate it. Gary. Uh, we're going 0:25:41.550 --> 0:25:43.800 to come back with the mailbag in just a moment, 0:25:43.800 --> 0:25:46.860 so stay with us. You're listening to Open Line with 0:25:46.859 --> 0:26:08.040 Michael Wright on Moody Radio. We'll be right back. Welcome 0:26:08.040 --> 0:26:10.980 back to Open Line. My name is Michael Melnick. I 0:26:11.010 --> 0:26:13.170 am so glad to be with you. It's time for 0:26:13.170 --> 0:26:18.240 the FBC mailbag. I'm really grateful for Far Eastern Broadcasting 0:26:18.240 --> 0:26:21.630 Company for their ministry, which brings the gospel to people 0:26:21.930 --> 0:26:25.310 all around the globe, through media and through personal engagement. 0:26:25.310 --> 0:26:27.350 I'm also grateful that they partnered to bring you the 0:26:27.350 --> 0:26:32.450 Febc mailbag, and I really recommend check out their website febc. 0:26:32.720 --> 0:26:36.679 Org and also click on the link to their podcast. 0:26:36.710 --> 0:26:39.620 Until all have heard, it will give you great encouragement 0:26:39.619 --> 0:26:42.889 about the work that they're doing about bringing the gospel 0:26:42.890 --> 0:26:45.650 to the world. And joining me right now is Tara 0:26:45.650 --> 0:26:50.240 Haynes for the Febc mailbag. Hey, to hear it. So 0:26:50.240 --> 0:26:52.970 you look at all the questions. I know Trish puts 0:26:52.970 --> 0:26:56.060 the mailbag together, but you look at the questions, do 0:26:56.060 --> 0:26:58.070 you like, think, oh, I want that one answered. I 0:26:58.070 --> 0:27:01.760 want that one. Or do you just say whatever. Whatever's 0:27:01.760 --> 0:27:03.980 there we'll go with the next one. What do you think? 0:27:04.100 --> 0:27:08.060 There's a little bit of reviewing the questions, but for 0:27:08.060 --> 0:27:10.820 the most part, we want to get to as many 0:27:10.820 --> 0:27:14.929 of the questions as possible that our listeners give us. 0:27:14.930 --> 0:27:17.180 So we try to go through all of them except. 0:27:17.180 --> 0:27:18.500 For the hard ones. Right. 0:27:18.830 --> 0:27:21.530 You're okay with the hard ones too, Michael? You can 0:27:21.530 --> 0:27:22.180 do it. 0:27:22.720 --> 0:27:25.300 There are times I'm thinking, oh, man, I wish Eva 0:27:25.300 --> 0:27:29.080 were here. So that's a hard one. I want to 0:27:29.080 --> 0:27:32.590 be able to answer that one. So anyway, uh, well, let's, let's, 0:27:32.619 --> 0:27:34.330 let's see what we can do with these. 0:27:34.359 --> 0:27:38.169 Excellent, excellent. We will start with Jeff, who wrote to 0:27:38.200 --> 0:27:42.130 us on Facebook, if you had to explain the Last 0:27:42.130 --> 0:27:46.390 Supper to someone who just read it for the first time, 0:27:46.390 --> 0:27:48.040 how would you go about doing that? 0:27:48.430 --> 0:27:51.880 Well, it's it's really important to recognize that the Last 0:27:51.880 --> 0:27:55.750 Supper really should be called the last Seder. Uh, the 0:27:55.750 --> 0:28:01.389 order of the Passover. It was a Passover meal. I 0:28:01.390 --> 0:28:04.480 think that's significant because the scriptures seem to point to 0:28:04.480 --> 0:28:07.960 the Passover lamb as sort of a foreshadowing of what 0:28:07.960 --> 0:28:12.940 the Messiah would do. Uh, you know, John the Baptist 0:28:12.940 --> 0:28:15.609 and John one, he sees the Lord Jesus coming to 0:28:15.640 --> 0:28:18.669 be baptized. And what does he say? Behold the Lamb 0:28:18.670 --> 0:28:21.200 of God, who takes away the sin of the world. 0:28:21.200 --> 0:28:26.300 And then also in first Peter chapter one, looking backwards 0:28:26.300 --> 0:28:31.070 at at the atonement of the Messiah, the the death 0:28:31.070 --> 0:28:36.380 and resurrection. Here's what it says in first Peter 118 0:28:36.380 --> 0:28:38.780 for you know that you were redeemed from your empty 0:28:38.810 --> 0:28:42.950 way of life, inherited from the fathers, not with perishable 0:28:42.950 --> 0:28:46.040 things like silver or gold. But now verse 19 says, 0:28:46.040 --> 0:28:49.460 but with the precious blood of the Messiah, like that 0:28:49.460 --> 0:28:54.770 of a lamb without defect or blemish. And so there 0:28:54.770 --> 0:28:57.800 it describes the Lord Jesus as a Passover lamb. And 0:28:57.800 --> 0:29:01.850 so the Last Supper was sort of like the the 0:29:01.850 --> 0:29:04.580 ultimate foreshadowing of what the Messiah was about to do. 0:29:04.580 --> 0:29:07.340 When he would be betrayed, he would die as are, 0:29:07.370 --> 0:29:10.760 without spot or blemish, perfect lamb, and he would be 0:29:10.760 --> 0:29:15.140 raised again. And so that's it should be viewed as 0:29:15.140 --> 0:29:17.750 a Passover Seder. And one of the things I've done 0:29:17.750 --> 0:29:22.870 for like the last 50 years since I was a teenager. 0:29:22.900 --> 0:29:25.120 I started doing this. Believe it or not, when I 0:29:25.120 --> 0:29:27.729 was a teenager is I would go to churches and 0:29:27.730 --> 0:29:31.240 explain what a Jewish Passover meal was like and how 0:29:31.240 --> 0:29:34.150 the Lord Jesus fulfills that. And it's something that I've 0:29:34.180 --> 0:29:37.150 enjoyed doing in many, many, many churches to help them 0:29:37.150 --> 0:29:41.500 understand the Last Supper as a Passover Seder. Okay. Well, thank. 0:29:41.500 --> 0:29:44.229 You for helping us understand it as well. Thank you. 0:29:44.230 --> 0:29:47.890 And you did just ask about the order of the questions. 0:29:47.890 --> 0:29:52.210 We actually have another question about the Last Supper. This 0:29:52.210 --> 0:29:55.540 one is from Joyce on Facebook. She says she is 0:29:55.540 --> 0:29:59.140 working on a painting of Jesus's Last Supper. Um, with 0:29:59.140 --> 0:30:01.990 the seating, the table setting and the actual foods. She 0:30:01.990 --> 0:30:04.120 wanted to know what type of foods are there? Was 0:30:04.120 --> 0:30:08.170 there unleavened bread? Was there wine? Were there olives? That's 0:30:08.170 --> 0:30:09.070 the gist of her. Were there. 0:30:09.100 --> 0:30:13.540 Olives? Okay, well, there were olives on the Mount of Olives, 0:30:13.570 --> 0:30:15.940 I will tell you that. But they probably weren't ripe 0:30:15.940 --> 0:30:21.960 at that season quite yet. Uh, what was on the table? 0:30:21.990 --> 0:30:26.730 First of all, there was unleavened bread, and they ate it. 0:30:27.030 --> 0:30:29.370 The Lord Jesus, when he said, this is my body. 0:30:29.400 --> 0:30:34.620 He was taking a piece of unleavened bread, uh, and said, 0:30:34.620 --> 0:30:37.710 this is a symbol. Well, this is my body is 0:30:37.710 --> 0:30:40.740 what he says, but I think he clearly is talking 0:30:40.740 --> 0:30:43.590 about a symbol. And the reason why is, yes, there 0:30:43.590 --> 0:30:47.640 was horseradish, uh, on the table. Likely there was salt 0:30:47.640 --> 0:30:50.910 water as well, because at a, at a Jewish Passover meal, 0:30:50.910 --> 0:30:56.520 you took, uh, green greens like parsley. So that would 0:30:56.550 --> 0:30:58.530 have been on the table and you dipped it in 0:30:58.530 --> 0:31:03.540 salt water. The green represents life. The salt water represents tears. 0:31:03.540 --> 0:31:05.790 And it says, when we were slaves in Egypt, our 0:31:05.790 --> 0:31:11.460 lives were dipped or immersed in tears. And so there 0:31:11.460 --> 0:31:14.670 was salt water to represent tears. There was the the 0:31:14.670 --> 0:31:20.080 green Vegetable to represent our lives. There is horseradish or 0:31:20.110 --> 0:31:24.070 a bitter herb ground up. The sop that the New 0:31:24.070 --> 0:31:29.890 Testament talks about that was ground up horseradish that indicates 0:31:30.010 --> 0:31:34.720 our lives were filled with bitterness. This was bitterness. And 0:31:34.720 --> 0:31:37.209 so there were a variety of things like that. So yes, 0:31:37.210 --> 0:31:43.420 there was horseradish, there was parsley, kind of green vegetable. 0:31:43.750 --> 0:31:47.140 There was salt water, all those elements. There was the 0:31:47.140 --> 0:31:54.970 lamb that they offered. So they ate lamb. Uh, whether 0:31:54.970 --> 0:31:58.180 they're olives, I don't know. But all that and they 0:31:58.180 --> 0:32:00.610 all now what I think is significant about all these 0:32:00.610 --> 0:32:03.880 items and this is I know a lot of my 0:32:03.880 --> 0:32:08.920 friends want to find some, uh, spiritual presence of the 0:32:08.920 --> 0:32:12.400 Lord Jesus in these items. And they say, look, he said, 0:32:12.400 --> 0:32:16.800 this is my body when he held up the matzo. Well, he. 0:32:16.830 --> 0:32:20.430 Everything at the Seder table was symbolic. When you point 0:32:20.430 --> 0:32:24.030 at the salt water, these are our tears. When you 0:32:24.030 --> 0:32:27.660 point at the horseradish, this is our bitterness. So when 0:32:27.660 --> 0:32:29.760 the Lord Jesus held up the matzo and said, this 0:32:29.760 --> 0:32:32.640 is my the unleavened bread, the matzo. When he held 0:32:32.640 --> 0:32:34.800 it up and said, this is my body. No one 0:32:34.830 --> 0:32:37.170 at that table would have said, oh, he's talking about 0:32:37.170 --> 0:32:41.100 his spiritual presence within the body. They would have said, aha! 0:32:41.130 --> 0:32:44.130 This is a symbol of his body, just as the 0:32:44.130 --> 0:32:47.820 horseradish is a symbol of our bitterness, as the salt 0:32:47.850 --> 0:32:51.900 water is a symbol of our tears. And so that's 0:32:51.900 --> 0:32:55.200 what would have been on the table. And olives, I 0:32:55.200 --> 0:32:59.400 don't know. There's nothing significant about olives, so I don't know. 0:32:59.580 --> 0:33:02.310 Thank you. Michael. Okay, Joyce, we wish you the best 0:33:02.310 --> 0:33:05.310 with that painting. We also have a question from Judith 0:33:05.310 --> 0:33:09.780 in Illinois, listening through WNYC. Where did the where did 0:33:09.810 --> 0:33:12.930 Old Testament saints like Abraham go when they died? 0:33:13.550 --> 0:33:18.980 Uh, Bethlehem. No. Uh. 0:33:20.930 --> 0:33:21.860 Thank you. Michael. 0:33:21.890 --> 0:33:25.400 Yeah, they just left town. They're out of here. A 0:33:25.430 --> 0:33:27.920 lot of people think, you know, there's a place in 0:33:27.920 --> 0:33:31.970 the Bible called Sheol, and it's the abode of the dead. 0:33:32.120 --> 0:33:37.190 And a lot of people think, oh, uh, Old Testament 0:33:37.190 --> 0:33:41.360 saints like Abraham were locked there. And then at some point, 0:33:41.360 --> 0:33:46.400 usually at the resurrection, somehow it's said that the Lord Jesus, uh, 0:33:46.400 --> 0:33:49.730 allowed them into heaven, and they weren't there at that 0:33:49.730 --> 0:33:54.650 time yet. But when the Lord Jesus spoke the parable 0:33:54.650 --> 0:34:01.910 of Lazarus and the rich man, obviously Abraham was there 0:34:02.180 --> 0:34:06.110 in what I would say, the presence of God in 0:34:06.140 --> 0:34:11.450 the abode of God. And that's why he's comforting Lazarus. 0:34:12.090 --> 0:34:18.090 That makes sense. It does? Yeah. So, uh, so I, 0:34:18.120 --> 0:34:21.120 you know, I would say that we, we get a 0:34:21.120 --> 0:34:24.299 little too technical in saying, oh, there's this place. This place, 0:34:24.300 --> 0:34:27.870 as far as we know, the abode of the dead 0:34:27.870 --> 0:34:30.990 for for the believer, it was a place of comfort 0:34:30.989 --> 0:34:34.230 in heaven. Uh, just like today. 0:34:34.260 --> 0:34:34.710 Okay. 0:34:34.739 --> 0:34:37.500 And the abode of the dead also had a second 0:34:37.500 --> 0:34:40.410 area that was a place of suffering. Like where the 0:34:40.410 --> 0:34:44.400 rich man went. Uh, just as there is today. Uh, 0:34:44.400 --> 0:34:48.300 and the Lord Jesus today is the one that would, 0:34:48.510 --> 0:34:52.589 I think, be the one bringing comfort to someone that 0:34:52.590 --> 0:34:56.219 dies today. But, yeah, I think Abraham was in heaven. Okay. 0:34:56.250 --> 0:34:56.819 Thank you. 0:34:56.850 --> 0:35:01.350 Yeah. And the resurrection. They will indeed be resurrected. Uh, 0:35:01.350 --> 0:35:04.440 and Daniel 12, it talks about at the return of 0:35:04.440 --> 0:35:07.200 the Lord. Uh, at the Second coming at the end 0:35:07.200 --> 0:35:10.290 of the tribulation period. The dead in the Old Testament, 0:35:10.320 --> 0:35:14.450 the the faithful of the Old Testament will be resurrected. 0:35:14.480 --> 0:35:17.989 Thank you. Well, thanks for that. To hear Haynes bringing 0:35:17.989 --> 0:35:20.509 the questions from the mailbag. My name is Michael Riedel. 0:35:20.719 --> 0:35:23.150 We'll be right back with more of your questions right 0:35:23.150 --> 0:35:40.549 here on Open Line. And we're back. I am so 0:35:40.550 --> 0:35:43.400 glad to see all the people that are calling and 0:35:43.400 --> 0:35:45.980 asking questions about the scriptures. You know what that tells me? 0:35:46.010 --> 0:35:48.350 It tells me that you're reading the Bible and you're 0:35:48.350 --> 0:35:52.070 having questions, and I so appreciate it. Uh, one question 0:35:52.070 --> 0:35:54.890 I get frequently is how important is it to reach 0:35:54.890 --> 0:35:59.569 Jewish people with the good news? And that's a question 0:35:59.600 --> 0:36:03.200 often asked of those serving with Chosen People ministries as well. 0:36:03.200 --> 0:36:06.770 And that's why Chosen People Ministries is offering a booklet 0:36:06.770 --> 0:36:09.640 called To the Jew First and the 21st century. was 0:36:09.640 --> 0:36:12.400 written by Doctor Al Mohler, who is the president of 0:36:12.400 --> 0:36:15.850 Southern Baptist Seminary, and it reaffirms God's love for the 0:36:15.850 --> 0:36:20.620 Jewish people, but shows why believers must also continue to 0:36:20.620 --> 0:36:23.560 present the good news of the Messiah, Jesus, to the 0:36:23.560 --> 0:36:28.540 Jewish people. Doctor Mohler says Jewish evangelism is the clearest 0:36:28.570 --> 0:36:32.920 test case for faithfulness to the gospel in this generation. 0:36:33.160 --> 0:36:35.650 For your free copy of To the Jew First in 0:36:35.650 --> 0:36:39.100 the 21st century, just go to our website openline. radio.org. 0:36:39.130 --> 0:36:41.230 Scroll down. You'll see a link that says A free 0:36:41.260 --> 0:36:44.649 gift from Chosen People Ministries. Click on that and you'll 0:36:44.650 --> 0:36:46.660 be taken to a page where you can sign up 0:36:46.660 --> 0:36:49.750 for your very own copy of To the Jew First 0:36:49.750 --> 0:36:53.920 in the New Millennium. Well, we're going to go right 0:36:53.920 --> 0:36:57.940 back to the phones now. Uh, Bruce in Mount Prospect, Illinois, 0:36:57.940 --> 0:37:01.210 listening on Wmbi. Welcome to Open Line. Bruce. How can 0:37:01.210 --> 0:37:02.050 I help you? 0:37:02.260 --> 0:37:04.450 Yes. Thank you for your show. I really appreciate it. Thanks. 0:37:04.480 --> 0:37:06.580 So a two part question. I lead a Bible study, 0:37:06.580 --> 0:37:08.959 and from time to time, from the guys. I get 0:37:08.960 --> 0:37:13.070 the two questions about children. One has to do with 0:37:13.340 --> 0:37:19.069 a baby that's born stillborn or a born baby, and 0:37:19.070 --> 0:37:22.219 they die. And I have a perspective on it, whether 0:37:22.219 --> 0:37:23.420 they go to heaven or not. But I wanted to 0:37:23.420 --> 0:37:25.670 hear yours. And then I have a second question, but 0:37:25.670 --> 0:37:27.320 I'll let you answer the first, if that's okay. 0:37:27.350 --> 0:37:32.270 No, we only do one question. Oh, okay. Unless it's 0:37:32.270 --> 0:37:35.090 related a follow up. Well. 0:37:35.420 --> 0:37:40.100 It is. And that the question is, do children that 0:37:40.370 --> 0:37:43.190 have professed Christ, they go to heaven and we reunite 0:37:43.190 --> 0:37:46.010 with them. Will they still be children or they will 0:37:46.040 --> 0:37:47.510 be something different? 0:37:48.050 --> 0:37:52.460 Okay. Well, first of all, the Bible really doesn't speak 0:37:52.460 --> 0:37:57.230 directly to the issue of whether or not children who 0:37:57.230 --> 0:38:00.410 are babies go to be with the Lord. But there's 0:38:00.410 --> 0:38:06.880 a hint in second. Samuel. Stillborn. Yeah. Uh, A second 0:38:06.880 --> 0:38:11.980 Samuel 12, where David says of his child that dies 0:38:11.980 --> 0:38:16.270 his baby. He said, I'll go to him, but he 0:38:16.270 --> 0:38:20.200 will never return to me. And so it does appear 0:38:20.200 --> 0:38:24.100 that David has hope of seeing that child, uh, in, 0:38:24.130 --> 0:38:28.629 in the afterlife. And so after the earthly life. And 0:38:28.630 --> 0:38:32.859 so it does appear, I think that and there's some 0:38:32.860 --> 0:38:36.640 arguments that theologians make, but it seems to me that 0:38:36.670 --> 0:38:40.840 a child, one way of thinking about this is that 0:38:41.080 --> 0:38:46.120 sin nature doesn't set us apart from God. It doesn't 0:38:46.120 --> 0:38:50.710 separate us from God. But sinful actions and babies have 0:38:50.710 --> 0:38:54.070 not reached an age of accountability yet where they have 0:38:54.070 --> 0:38:58.090 committed moral failure. And and therefore. And if someone says, well, 0:38:58.120 --> 0:39:02.350 my toddler, if you could see how misbehaving. Yeah, they're 0:39:02.739 --> 0:39:05.340 a toddler is a toddler. They're not doing it because 0:39:05.340 --> 0:39:08.790 they're rebelling against God. They're doing it because they're a toddler. 0:39:08.790 --> 0:39:12.779 So that's right. Right. Uh, okay. And what age they 0:39:12.780 --> 0:39:15.960 will be. Your guess is as good as mine. Uh, 0:39:15.960 --> 0:39:21.480 the I believe will be timeless in eternity, so I 0:39:21.480 --> 0:39:24.330 don't know. Uh, I hope I'm not the age I 0:39:24.360 --> 0:39:32.040 am now in eternity because my knees really hurt and, uh. Yeah. Okay, so. 0:39:32.070 --> 0:39:34.920 And I, I used to have hair a long time ago. 0:39:34.950 --> 0:39:41.069 I was hoping in my resurrected body to have hair again, but. So. Right. Okay, Bruce, 0:39:41.160 --> 0:39:41.910 we'll get new bodies. 0:39:42.060 --> 0:39:45.360 But I guess my question was a child that dies at, say, 12. 0:39:45.390 --> 0:39:48.570 They profess Christ. Would they still be still be 12? 0:39:48.570 --> 0:39:50.730 Or do they get entirely new bodies at some form? 0:39:50.760 --> 0:39:55.230 If only I knew. Oh, no. Yeah. Yeah. I don't know. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Okay. 0:39:55.410 --> 0:39:57.780 Thank you. I don't want to be my age, so 0:39:57.780 --> 0:40:01.080 maybe he doesn't want to be 12. I don't know, so. 0:40:01.230 --> 0:40:01.830 Yeah. Okay. 0:40:01.830 --> 0:40:03.060 Thank you. Okay. 0:40:04.540 --> 0:40:05.110 Yeah. 0:40:05.350 --> 0:40:08.860 You know, I think if that once again, I keep 0:40:08.860 --> 0:40:12.759 saying the Bible doesn't satisfy our curiosity. It only gives 0:40:12.760 --> 0:40:15.700 us the truth that we need to know. So we're 0:40:15.700 --> 0:40:20.230 going to talk with Barbara in Plymouth, New Hampshire, listening online. 0:40:20.230 --> 0:40:23.350 Welcome to Open Line. How can I help you, Barbara? 0:40:23.410 --> 0:40:27.700 Hi. Um, quick question in first, I mean, I'm sorry, 0:40:27.700 --> 0:40:32.410 in John, uh, where it speaks about right in the beginning, um, 0:40:32.440 --> 0:40:35.439 that the word was God. The word was with God. 0:40:35.770 --> 0:40:39.489 I looked in the Moody Bible Commentary, and it had 0:40:39.489 --> 0:40:42.730 a really good excerpt on this, and it pretty much 0:40:42.760 --> 0:40:45.490 whet my appetite for more. And I didn't know if 0:40:45.489 --> 0:40:49.300 you had any resources that somebody has actually written on 0:40:49.300 --> 0:40:54.160 this topic of the word being God and with. Yeah, 0:40:54.370 --> 0:40:55.719 with God. And. 0:40:56.170 --> 0:41:01.359 Uh, well, there's a book, uh, and if I could 0:41:01.360 --> 0:41:06.090 find it, Uh, I would tell you what it is. Uh, 0:41:07.230 --> 0:41:13.109 I read I have it on my shelf in my library. Um. Uh, 0:41:14.310 --> 0:41:16.620 I can't think of the name of it or the author, 0:41:16.620 --> 0:41:19.770 but I'll tell you what it's about. It's about the 0:41:19.770 --> 0:41:22.440 Hebrew concept. It's a it's a scholarly book. I'm not 0:41:22.440 --> 0:41:27.030 sure it's something that you would want. It's, uh. Uh, 0:41:27.060 --> 0:41:30.690 it's about the memra. That's the Hebrew concept of the 0:41:30.690 --> 0:41:39.630 word as God. Uh, in in, uh uh, wow. Uh, 0:41:39.630 --> 0:41:43.320 the memorized the word of God. The word became flesh 0:41:43.320 --> 0:41:48.540 as deity. Uh, and so, you know what, Barbara? How 0:41:48.540 --> 0:41:51.930 about this? Why don't you listen next week and I'll. 0:41:51.930 --> 0:41:55.410 I'll check out the, uh, the my library and come 0:41:55.410 --> 0:41:57.870 up with that book for you. Is that okay? 0:41:58.320 --> 0:41:59.549 That's fine. Yeah. 0:41:59.580 --> 0:42:02.210 Uh, I'd have to go to my bookshelf and find 0:42:02.210 --> 0:42:06.350 that book. And, uh, it's it's it's a deep dive. 0:42:06.440 --> 0:42:09.920 I think it was a doctoral dissertation at one time. Uh, 0:42:09.920 --> 0:42:13.219 but that's that's it. There are some people who think 0:42:13.219 --> 0:42:16.760 that it's not based on the word, the Hebrew word memra, 0:42:16.760 --> 0:42:23.060 which is translated logos. Some people think it's related to Philo, 0:42:23.090 --> 0:42:26.299 who was a Jewish philosopher of the first century BC. 0:42:26.300 --> 0:42:28.970 And he wrote a lot about the logos, but I 0:42:28.969 --> 0:42:31.850 don't think so. I think it's about the memra. Okay. Okay. 0:42:31.880 --> 0:42:32.210 Yeah. 0:42:32.239 --> 0:42:35.029 Okay, great. Yeah. I'm glad. Thanks. Thanks for your call. 0:42:35.030 --> 0:42:39.950 Appreciate it. And we're going to speak with Leon in Florida. 0:42:39.950 --> 0:42:42.800 Welcome to Open Line, Leon. How can I help you? 0:42:44.540 --> 0:42:47.629 Her question is, in one place in the Bible, it 0:42:47.630 --> 0:42:52.040 says that Judas took the money back to the priest 0:42:52.040 --> 0:42:55.879 and threw it to him. And in another policy, he 0:42:55.880 --> 0:43:00.600 bought a field and fell headlong. So can you explain 0:43:00.600 --> 0:43:01.319 that to me? 0:43:01.350 --> 0:43:10.319 Yeah. Uh, in Matthew 27, uh, it speaks about the 0:43:10.320 --> 0:43:17.160 death of, uh, Judas. And that's what it says there. Uh, 0:43:17.400 --> 0:43:21.060 so after Judas, I think it's. Yeah, it says, uh, 0:43:21.870 --> 0:43:25.110 it says that he threw silver into the sanctuary and departed, 0:43:25.110 --> 0:43:28.560 and he went and hanged himself. The chief priest took 0:43:28.560 --> 0:43:30.719 the silver and said, it's not lawful to put it 0:43:30.719 --> 0:43:33.330 into the temple treasury, since it's blood money. This is 0:43:33.330 --> 0:43:36.359 verse six five and six. So they conferred together and 0:43:36.360 --> 0:43:38.490 bought the potter's field with it as a place of 0:43:38.489 --> 0:43:41.400 foreign for foreigners. Therefore, the field has been called blood 0:43:41.400 --> 0:43:44.070 field to this day to fulfill what was spoken through 0:43:44.070 --> 0:43:48.360 the prophet Jeremiah. Uh, I think that in the one 0:43:48.360 --> 0:43:50.969 place it says that he tossed it to them. Uh, 0:43:50.969 --> 0:43:55.410 clearly he did. He threw the silver into the sanctuary. Uh, 0:43:55.980 --> 0:43:59.989 but they didn't want to just accept it back. And 0:43:59.989 --> 0:44:06.770 so what they did is in the name of Judas, they, uh, 0:44:07.130 --> 0:44:10.400 they they bought that field. They didn't buy it in 0:44:10.400 --> 0:44:13.100 the name of the Sanhedrin. They bought it in the 0:44:13.100 --> 0:44:15.410 name of Judas. They took the money. They wouldn't receive 0:44:15.410 --> 0:44:18.770 it back. They said here. And so in in a sense, 0:44:18.770 --> 0:44:23.450 Judas bought it, even though they were the ones that 0:44:23.450 --> 0:44:26.569 handled the money because they didn't want to accept it back. 0:44:26.570 --> 0:44:29.330 So they took it and bought it in Judas name. 0:44:29.330 --> 0:44:32.810 So that's why another passage might say Judas bought a field. 0:44:32.810 --> 0:44:37.190 It wasn't technically, uh, it was technically he who bought it, 0:44:37.190 --> 0:44:40.070 even though it was done through the Sanhedrin, who took 0:44:40.070 --> 0:44:43.880 the money back in that way, they wouldn't accept it back. Uh, 0:44:43.880 --> 0:44:46.340 they didn't want to have blood money on their hands, 0:44:46.340 --> 0:44:50.420 so they used it to buy a field of blood. So. Okay, 0:44:50.420 --> 0:44:53.960 I hope that helps. Uh, Leon, uh, let's see if 0:44:53.960 --> 0:44:58.540 we can get one more question in, Uh, uh, let's 0:44:58.540 --> 0:45:04.780 talk to Linda in, uh, on line four and, uh, Waterloo, Iowa. Hey, Linda. 0:45:05.050 --> 0:45:06.759 How can I help you today? 0:45:06.969 --> 0:45:09.399 Oh, I'm so glad to talk to you. 0:45:09.430 --> 0:45:12.460 We're way down in time, so just go ahead with 0:45:12.460 --> 0:45:13.360 your question. 0:45:13.420 --> 0:45:16.900 You betcha. I want to know what the Bible specifically 0:45:16.900 --> 0:45:19.750 says about the church getting involved in politics. 0:45:20.170 --> 0:45:23.920 I think that, uh, this is a real quick answer. 0:45:23.980 --> 0:45:29.500 Did you ever hear me talking about politics on Open Line? No, no. 0:45:29.500 --> 0:45:32.080 Do you know why I want to? I want to 0:45:32.080 --> 0:45:36.610 advance the kingdom of God. Uh, and certainly we have 0:45:36.610 --> 0:45:41.109 to be good citizens. And as good citizens, we can 0:45:41.110 --> 0:45:45.819 take political positions as individuals. But as a church, uh, 0:45:45.820 --> 0:45:48.970 I think we can take political positions, but we don't 0:45:49.000 --> 0:45:53.140 advance any political party. We advance the kingdom. Kingdom of God. 0:45:53.140 --> 0:45:55.000 That's my opinion. So. 0:45:55.030 --> 0:45:58.940 So. so the people that the preachers that are preaching 0:45:58.940 --> 0:46:02.810 politics from the pulpit, you would say that you would not. 0:46:03.110 --> 0:46:05.450 Let me just say it's not something I would do 0:46:05.450 --> 0:46:09.200 when I was a pastor, I would I would preach morality, 0:46:09.200 --> 0:46:13.430 I would preach preach holiness. Uh, and I would even 0:46:13.460 --> 0:46:16.250 say there are political positions. Like, I was always very 0:46:16.250 --> 0:46:20.540 outspokenly pro-life, uh, which some people think is political, but 0:46:20.540 --> 0:46:23.480 I think is moral. That's what I would say. Anyway, 0:46:23.480 --> 0:46:25.730 that's the program for the week. Thanks for your call, Linda. 0:46:25.760 --> 0:46:28.520 Thanks for listening to everyone else. And thanks for the 0:46:28.520 --> 0:46:32.900 Open Line team, Tricia, for putting the questions together to 0:46:32.930 --> 0:46:37.040 here for producing today. Omar, uh, for being our engineer 0:46:37.040 --> 0:46:39.529 and Lisa for taking care of everything. Check out our 0:46:39.530 --> 0:46:42.230 web page, Open Line radio.org. There's even a link to 0:46:42.260 --> 0:46:45.170 my personal web page. There you can see what's coming up. 0:46:45.170 --> 0:46:47.480 Keep reading the Bible. We'll talk about it next week. 0:46:47.480 --> 0:46:50.239 Open line with Doctor Michael Dolnick is a production of 0:46:50.239 --> 0:46:53.930 Moody Radio, a ministry of Moody Bible Institute.