WEBVTT - Hour 2: Summer Bible Study 0:00:09.350 --> 0:00:12.290 Hello, friends. It's time for the second hour of Open 0:00:12.289 --> 0:00:16.130 Line with me. Michael. Right. This is Moody Radio's Bible 0:00:16.130 --> 0:00:19.730 study across America. And we're talking about the questions you 0:00:19.730 --> 0:00:24.829 have about the Bible, God and the spiritual life. As 0:00:24.829 --> 0:00:27.950 I said, my name is Michael Melnick. I'm academic dean. 0:00:27.950 --> 0:00:31.430 I'm professor of Jewish studies and Bible at Moody Bible Institute. 0:00:31.520 --> 0:00:34.280 And I'm so glad to be with you today right 0:00:34.280 --> 0:00:37.250 around the radio kitchen table. And if you'd like, give 0:00:37.280 --> 0:00:40.370 me a call right now with your question about the 0:00:40.370 --> 0:00:43.190 Bible or God or the spiritual life. Here's the number. 0:00:43.220 --> 0:00:45.920 Now's the time to get your call in. 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Um, he, 0:03:41.210 --> 0:03:43.730 the disciples and a whole lot of other people do 0:03:43.730 --> 0:03:46.640 fish on lakes in the dark. Yeah. 0:03:48.920 --> 0:03:52.280 Yeah, that that was just a that was just an aside. 0:03:52.280 --> 0:03:53.930 I let it go, so. 0:03:54.530 --> 0:03:59.130 Okay. Yeah. Um, yeah. Our question. My question is, um, 0:03:59.130 --> 0:04:03.390 we were looking at the word of faith and from 0:04:03.390 --> 0:04:07.230 the acts of Luke and talking to Jesus, saying, when 0:04:07.230 --> 0:04:10.020 I return, will I find will I find faith on 0:04:10.020 --> 0:04:14.400 the earth? But the teacher said that he only found 0:04:14.400 --> 0:04:17.760 the word English word faith in the Old Testament. One 0:04:17.760 --> 0:04:20.909 place in Habakkuk two four where the writer says, the 0:04:20.910 --> 0:04:24.780 righteous shall live by faith. And we were wondering, why 0:04:24.779 --> 0:04:28.800 was that English word faith only used one time in 0:04:28.800 --> 0:04:31.800 the Old Testament. Where? Where is it used multiple times 0:04:31.800 --> 0:04:34.350 in the New Testament, or is that a. Yeah. You know, 0:04:34.380 --> 0:04:36.390 just a semantic thing? Do we not need to worry 0:04:36.390 --> 0:04:37.650 about it or is it worth. 0:04:37.800 --> 0:04:41.460 You don't need to worry about it. Really important distinction. 0:04:41.460 --> 0:04:46.080 By the way, the word pisteuo faith in the New 0:04:46.080 --> 0:04:50.910 Testament is sometimes sometimes translated in the verb form of believe. 0:04:50.940 --> 0:04:55.690 Sometimes it's translated in the New Testament. Uh, sometimes it's 0:04:55.690 --> 0:05:02.469 translated trust. Uh, and then the same thing with the 0:05:02.470 --> 0:05:07.660 the noun emunah. Uh, in Hebrew, sometimes it's translated faith, 0:05:07.660 --> 0:05:13.630 but sometimes in the verb form, it's translated trust or believe. So, uh, 0:05:13.630 --> 0:05:17.830 you know, I did a quick search about faith, uh, 0:05:18.370 --> 0:05:24.280 and it says in job 3912. Will you have faith 0:05:24.279 --> 0:05:30.430 in him? Uh, uh, it talks about God keeping faith 0:05:30.430 --> 0:05:34.570 with us, but then also, uh, you look at the 0:05:34.570 --> 0:05:39.850 word believe, which is the verb form of it. And, uh, 0:05:39.850 --> 0:05:46.960 Abraham believed God and it was counted to him for righteousness. Uh, 0:05:46.960 --> 0:05:54.950 it talks about the word trust. Uh, for example, in numbers. Uh, 0:05:54.950 --> 0:06:00.050 it's it's interesting, uh, that Moses and Aaron don't get 0:06:00.050 --> 0:06:02.930 to enter the promised Land because you did not trust me, 0:06:02.930 --> 0:06:06.140 is what it says. So obviously it's a negative example, 0:06:06.140 --> 0:06:09.770 but the word trust is used their second Kings 1822. 0:06:09.800 --> 0:06:15.080 We trust in the Lord our God. Uh, that's, uh, 0:06:15.080 --> 0:06:20.420 second Kings. Uh, this is the word trust is used 0:06:20.420 --> 0:06:26.360 all over the place. Uh, there's, uh, Hezekiah. Thus you 0:06:26.360 --> 0:06:29.240 shall say to Hezekiah, king of Judah, this is do 0:06:29.240 --> 0:06:31.609 not let your God in whom you trust deceive you, 0:06:31.640 --> 0:06:34.010 saying Jerusalem will not be given over. So it's talking 0:06:34.010 --> 0:06:37.430 about how the people believed what Hezekiah was saying about 0:06:37.430 --> 0:06:39.320 trusting him, and they were trying to get him not 0:06:39.320 --> 0:06:44.300 to trust the Lord. Uh, so, you know, it's one 0:06:44.300 --> 0:06:48.080 of the problems that we have when we limit ourselves 0:06:48.080 --> 0:06:52.469 to only the English word, Because it may have limited 0:06:52.470 --> 0:06:56.910 usage in the Old Testament. But when you take it, uh, 0:06:57.240 --> 0:07:02.430 as trust, believe, or faith, then all of a sudden 0:07:02.430 --> 0:07:05.970 the word explodes across the Old Testament. Okay. 0:07:06.660 --> 0:07:09.120 Good. Good. Yeah. Yes. Yeah. 0:07:09.360 --> 0:07:12.660 Uh, and, uh, you know, I think, of course, uh, 0:07:12.660 --> 0:07:18.540 in Romans four, uh, yeah. In Romans four, it talks 0:07:18.540 --> 0:07:22.440 about Abraham believed God. It was counted to him for righteousness. 0:07:22.470 --> 0:07:26.130 It talks about Genesis 15 six. Uh, and what he 0:07:26.160 --> 0:07:30.450 is saying is, listen, you may think that by teaching, 0:07:30.450 --> 0:07:33.510 justification by faith is what Paul says in Romans three 0:07:33.510 --> 0:07:36.870 that we're somehow contradicting the Old Testament. He says, no, 0:07:36.870 --> 0:07:40.080 we're upholding it. This is what the Torah teaches. Uh, 0:07:40.080 --> 0:07:42.630 and he goes back to Genesis 15, which is in 0:07:42.630 --> 0:07:47.520 the Torah, that Abraham believed God. So he's using the 0:07:47.520 --> 0:07:51.340 word believe there as a synonym for faith. So. Okay. 0:07:51.370 --> 0:07:55.270 Yeah. And James used that too. James used to. Yeah. 0:07:55.450 --> 0:07:56.110 Okay. 0:07:56.170 --> 0:07:56.530 Very good. 0:07:56.560 --> 0:07:59.740 Thanks, Rick. Thanks for your call. Really appreciate it. Uh, 0:07:59.740 --> 0:08:04.990 we're going to talk next with Sylvester in Tampa, Florida, 0:08:04.990 --> 0:08:09.370 listening at k e s. Welcome to Open Line. How 0:08:09.370 --> 0:08:10.000 can I help you today? 0:08:10.000 --> 0:08:13.239 Thank you very much. Um, I have a question. I 0:08:13.240 --> 0:08:17.260 just want to make a small comment that you made, um, with, uh, 0:08:17.260 --> 0:08:19.660 women in, um, leadership. 0:08:19.960 --> 0:08:23.500 Well, you know what? I we don't have to go 0:08:23.500 --> 0:08:26.770 back over that if unless it's essential. So I'm not 0:08:26.770 --> 0:08:27.220 trying to. 0:08:27.250 --> 0:08:30.940 No. I'm not. I what I'm saying is that's the 0:08:30.940 --> 0:08:36.400 best explanation I've heard ever with that, that, um, that controversy. 0:08:36.400 --> 0:08:38.170 And I just want to thank you for that. 0:08:38.200 --> 0:08:41.319 Oh, good. I'm so glad. Thank you. Sylvester. It's just, 0:08:41.350 --> 0:08:44.260 you know, those controversial issues. I hate it when people 0:08:44.260 --> 0:08:46.060 just want to go back and argue. So thank you 0:08:46.059 --> 0:08:48.010 for not doing that, I appreciate it. 0:08:48.530 --> 0:08:49.520 Yeah, I didn't want to do that. 0:08:49.550 --> 0:08:51.680 I just I just wanted to know I loved your 0:08:51.710 --> 0:08:54.650 your your your your commentary. And you're going to make 0:08:54.650 --> 0:08:57.380 me go back and read it some more. Yeah. Good. 0:08:57.410 --> 0:09:02.570 But my question is, is, um, is with, uh, my 0:09:02.570 --> 0:09:10.220 question is why? Um, did Mark, who is a disciple of, um, Peter, 0:09:10.220 --> 0:09:13.910 why did his writings end up in the New Testament 0:09:13.910 --> 0:09:17.720 as opposed to like, people like, um, Ignatius, who was 0:09:17.720 --> 0:09:22.940 a disciple of John and um Clement, whose writings were 0:09:22.940 --> 0:09:27.500 read in the church and back in that time. Um, 0:09:27.500 --> 0:09:29.270 you mean, uh, explanation of that? 0:09:29.300 --> 0:09:35.540 Yeah. I think the reason why Mark's writing ends up 0:09:35.630 --> 0:09:38.960 there is it wasn't just that he was a disciple 0:09:38.960 --> 0:09:44.960 of Peter, but his book was endorsed by Peter as authoritative. 0:09:45.110 --> 0:09:48.000 It had an apostolic seal on it. If you read 0:09:48.000 --> 0:09:51.750 the history of how and of course, it's early church 0:09:51.750 --> 0:09:57.540 and it's not inspired history, but it is history of 0:09:57.540 --> 0:10:01.260 how it is that Mark came to write Peter. The 0:10:01.260 --> 0:10:04.200 story is that Peter goes to Rome, gives a sermon. 0:10:04.200 --> 0:10:07.830 Mark takes notes on the sermon, which was about the 0:10:07.830 --> 0:10:13.350 life of Jesus, and then he writes it down. And 0:10:13.350 --> 0:10:18.120 Peter endorses this book as this is what I was saying, 0:10:18.120 --> 0:10:20.760 this is what I want people all over the Roman 0:10:20.760 --> 0:10:24.240 Empire to know about Jesus. And and so it was 0:10:24.270 --> 0:10:27.030 it was like it was almost as if he was 0:10:27.030 --> 0:10:32.610 working as a ghostwriter for without being a ghost, but without, 0:10:32.640 --> 0:10:35.130 you know, being hidden. But he was writing down the 0:10:35.130 --> 0:10:39.360 words of Peter and and putting it together that way. 0:10:39.900 --> 0:10:48.340 So the, the result was that, Uh, it had apostolic endorsement. 0:10:48.340 --> 0:10:52.600 It wasn't just, uh, that that Mark was a disciple 0:10:52.600 --> 0:10:56.349 of Peter, but that he actually was endorsed, uh, and 0:10:56.350 --> 0:10:59.709 his writings were endorsed. That makes does that make sense? 0:11:00.760 --> 0:11:02.770 Oh, yeah, it makes a lot of sense. And the 0:11:02.770 --> 0:11:05.980 reason why I'm asking because my son, he's been going 0:11:06.010 --> 0:11:08.590 to a Catholic church, he's been going to Catholic schools, 0:11:08.590 --> 0:11:11.920 and he got a scholarship to play football at the 0:11:11.920 --> 0:11:15.160 Catholic college. So he's come back home now, he's graduated, 0:11:15.160 --> 0:11:19.600 and now he's having these, um, ideas, and he's been 0:11:19.600 --> 0:11:22.510 going to a Catholic church, but I think he's on 0:11:22.510 --> 0:11:25.090 a search because he would still listen to some of 0:11:25.090 --> 0:11:27.190 the podcasts and then send it to me and say, dad, 0:11:27.190 --> 0:11:31.360 what you think? So I sense that he is searching 0:11:31.360 --> 0:11:34.510 even though he's, you know, kind of headstrong on going 0:11:34.540 --> 0:11:37.599 to the Catholic Church because he still referred to me. 0:11:37.600 --> 0:11:40.180 So I want to look, I want to find these 0:11:40.179 --> 0:11:44.689 information so I can present it to him without getting 0:11:44.720 --> 0:11:48.770 into an argument, it will be more of an intellectual, um. 0:11:48.800 --> 0:11:51.740 Intellectual conversation. Yeah. 0:11:51.770 --> 0:11:54.500 You know what? There's a book by David Alan Black 0:11:54.980 --> 0:11:58.219 that I think he might enjoy, and it doesn't really 0:11:58.220 --> 0:12:01.040 address the issue of Clement or Ignatius, but it addresses 0:12:01.040 --> 0:12:04.970 how we got the four gospels and why Mark's gospel 0:12:04.970 --> 0:12:11.420 was accepted authoritatively. And so I would say, David, Alan Black, 0:12:11.420 --> 0:12:16.520 why four Gospels? Very easy to read, easy to understand. 0:12:16.550 --> 0:12:22.250 I strongly recommend it. Why four Gospels? David Alan Black. Okay, okay. 0:12:22.250 --> 0:12:26.540 Yeah. So that should cover why like people like Clement 0:12:26.540 --> 0:12:28.010 and Ignatius know. 0:12:28.010 --> 0:12:31.819 It covers more about why Mark was accepted not and 0:12:33.020 --> 0:12:36.380 by implication this is why Mark was accepted. And therefore 0:12:36.380 --> 0:12:40.790 we know why Ignatius and Clement were not. Uh, it 0:12:40.790 --> 0:12:45.150 shows more about why the mark was accepted. Okay. 0:12:45.390 --> 0:12:50.760 Okay. Okay. Perfect. Well, just one small question. Um, about, um, 0:12:51.150 --> 0:12:56.850 Catholicism and indulgences, where I can find some very solid, um, 0:12:56.940 --> 0:13:00.990 information on that. Um, because I've heard, you know, I've 0:13:00.990 --> 0:13:02.550 heard about, um, you. 0:13:02.550 --> 0:13:04.770 Know, what the best thing to do. Let's see if 0:13:04.770 --> 0:13:08.819 I can quick find it. Uh. Uh, a friend of 0:13:08.820 --> 0:13:12.240 mine has written a couple of books about this. He's, uh, 0:13:12.240 --> 0:13:15.690 adjunct professor at Moody. Uh, he's a pastor in the 0:13:15.690 --> 0:13:19.200 Chicago area, and he's a former student of mine. Uh, 0:13:19.200 --> 0:13:22.530 his name is Chris Castaldo. Uh, I want to find 0:13:22.530 --> 0:13:28.260 his books, uh, because all his books would really help 0:13:28.260 --> 0:13:35.400 with with understanding this other, uh, tradition. Uh, he's got 0:13:35.400 --> 0:13:40.980 a book called, uh, talking with Catholics about the gospel. Uh, 0:13:40.980 --> 0:13:45.040 and then he's got another book called Holy Ground Walking 0:13:45.040 --> 0:13:48.520 with Jesus as a former Catholic. Uh, so those are 0:13:48.520 --> 0:13:54.280 a couple of books by Chris Castaldo. Uh, and that's 0:13:54.280 --> 0:13:59.890 where I would go. Uh, Castaldo. Trish can, uh, maybe 0:13:59.890 --> 0:14:02.980 post a link about that on our Facebook page. Thanks 0:14:02.980 --> 0:14:07.630 for your call, Sylvester. Really appreciate it. Uh, and we're 0:14:07.630 --> 0:14:10.329 going to take a break here. And when we come back, 0:14:10.330 --> 0:14:14.350 we're going to talk about your questions. Just give us 0:14:14.350 --> 0:14:20.830 a call. (877) 548-3675. Uh, this is Michael Ray Dolnick. You're 0:14:20.830 --> 0:14:23.620 listening to Open Line, and we're going to come right back. 0:14:23.620 --> 0:14:26.350 We've got lots of great questions already lined up, so 0:14:26.350 --> 0:14:30.040 don't miss out. Stick with us. We're coming back at you. 0:14:48.920 --> 0:14:53.000 Welcome back to Open Line. I'm so grateful for all 0:14:53.000 --> 0:14:56.690 of you who listen regularly. 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And we so appreciate those of 0:16:46.720 --> 0:16:48.940 you who do that and those of you who can't. 0:16:48.940 --> 0:16:51.700 But we still appreciate you. Uh, we're going to talk 0:16:51.700 --> 0:16:55.930 to Maggie in Wheaton, Illinois, listening on Wmbi. Welcome to 0:16:55.960 --> 0:16:58.630 Open Line. So glad that you're called. How can I 0:16:58.660 --> 0:16:59.800 help you? Help you. 0:17:01.030 --> 0:17:03.910 Good morning. Thanks for taking my call, Michael. I was 0:17:03.910 --> 0:17:06.580 talking to a coworker the other day, and she claims 0:17:06.580 --> 0:17:12.760 she can. It's basically speaking in tongues and then speaking 0:17:12.760 --> 0:17:19.359 the heavenly language and, um, having some extra portion of 0:17:19.359 --> 0:17:22.540 the Holy Spirit sounds like. And I said, when we're believers, 0:17:22.540 --> 0:17:25.240 we all have the Holy Spirit. I don't think there's 0:17:25.240 --> 0:17:30.880 different graduation, different levels. And also, I believe when there 0:17:30.880 --> 0:17:33.220 is a speaking in tongues biblically, there needs to be 0:17:33.220 --> 0:17:36.889 a translator. I'm just really interested in this heavenly language 0:17:36.890 --> 0:17:39.290 because he didn't give me any verses to support that. 0:17:39.290 --> 0:17:43.400 But according to her and her pastors, there is such 0:17:43.430 --> 0:17:47.600 a thing as praying in heavenly language. Um, sure. So 0:17:47.630 --> 0:17:49.580 one take is on that. 0:17:49.760 --> 0:17:55.310 So see if I can do this kind of quickly. Uh, 0:17:55.310 --> 0:17:59.600 Romans eight nine says, if we don't have the Spirit 0:17:59.600 --> 0:18:03.050 of Messiah, the Spirit of Christ, that's the Holy Spirit, 0:18:03.170 --> 0:18:06.740 we don't belong to him. In other words, every person 0:18:06.740 --> 0:18:09.139 who belongs to him fully has the Holy Spirit. And 0:18:09.140 --> 0:18:12.290 you say, well, maybe you can have more. But it says, 0:18:12.320 --> 0:18:17.389 it goes on to say in this same passage, uh, 0:18:17.540 --> 0:18:21.380 in verse 11, and if the spirit of him who 0:18:21.380 --> 0:18:26.389 raised Jesus from the dead lives in you. In other words, 0:18:26.390 --> 0:18:29.720 if the the Holy Spirit who raised Jesus from the dead, 0:18:29.720 --> 0:18:32.869 if we have that much power, then he who raised 0:18:32.869 --> 0:18:35.610 Christ from the dead will also bring your mortal bodies 0:18:35.609 --> 0:18:38.490 to life through His Spirit who lives in you. In 0:18:38.490 --> 0:18:40.620 other words, we have the power that raised Jesus from 0:18:40.619 --> 0:18:44.130 the dead living within us. I don't think we need 0:18:44.130 --> 0:18:50.280 more power. I think that's sufficient. Uh uh, the the 0:18:50.280 --> 0:18:54.090 problem is that the word tongues or glossa in the 0:18:54.090 --> 0:18:58.530 New Testament appears to be just another word for language. 0:18:58.530 --> 0:19:00.480 Like if we said men of every tongue, we don't 0:19:00.480 --> 0:19:04.230 mean some sort of heavenly language. We just mean language. Right? 0:19:04.650 --> 0:19:07.859 That's that's how it's it's used. If you look at 0:19:07.859 --> 0:19:10.200 acts two, the people who are there from all over 0:19:10.200 --> 0:19:12.510 the world, they heard them speaking in tongues. What did 0:19:12.510 --> 0:19:15.420 they hear? They heard them speaking in the languages that 0:19:15.420 --> 0:19:20.430 they knew, their actual real languages. The problem is with 0:19:20.430 --> 0:19:24.629 the modern movement that began about 100 and some years 0:19:24.630 --> 0:19:29.580 ago of speaking in tongues. Again, they when linguists studied it, 0:19:29.580 --> 0:19:33.550 they didn't sound like real languages. They can't find any 0:19:33.550 --> 0:19:36.580 pattern of real language or structure of a real language. 0:19:36.580 --> 0:19:42.070 It sounds like gibberish. So the result is that people 0:19:42.070 --> 0:19:45.730 went to first Corinthians 13 where it says, if I 0:19:45.730 --> 0:19:50.980 speak with the tongues of men or of angels, and 0:19:50.980 --> 0:19:53.200 they say of that verse, well, that means that there's 0:19:53.230 --> 0:19:59.980 a special angel speak angel language, heavenly language that's different 0:19:59.980 --> 0:20:04.300 and not categorized by earthly language structure. So that's where 0:20:04.300 --> 0:20:07.810 the idea of a heavenly language comes from. Although that's 0:20:07.810 --> 0:20:13.240 just hyperbole, exaggeration. It's a literary device. Paul says in 0:20:13.240 --> 0:20:18.490 Galatians one, for example, if, uh, if I come to 0:20:18.490 --> 0:20:21.970 you with another gospel, or even an angel from heaven 0:20:21.970 --> 0:20:26.919 comes to you with another gospel, let him be anathema. Now, 0:20:26.920 --> 0:20:29.590 Paul's not going to come with another gospel, and an 0:20:29.590 --> 0:20:32.119 angel from heaven isn't going to come with another gospel. 0:20:32.119 --> 0:20:36.950 What is he doing there? He's using exaggeration hyperbole to 0:20:36.980 --> 0:20:39.020 make his case in the same way that he talks about. 0:20:39.020 --> 0:20:41.600 If I could speak in any language in the universe, 0:20:41.600 --> 0:20:45.110 any more than men or angels, any language you can 0:20:45.140 --> 0:20:50.179 think of, uh, but don't have love. And so I 0:20:50.180 --> 0:20:54.590 don't think there's any kind of, uh, heavenly language that 0:20:54.590 --> 0:20:59.689 we can't comprehend. Uh, I think that the word tongue 0:20:59.690 --> 0:21:03.200 in the Bible just means language, and it's a real language. 0:21:03.200 --> 0:21:06.230 And the gift of tongues in the first century that 0:21:06.230 --> 0:21:08.990 we see in acts two, for example, was the ability 0:21:08.990 --> 0:21:11.600 to speak in a language that one had not learned. 0:21:11.630 --> 0:21:16.070 It was a supernatural gift of God. And you're right. Uh, 0:21:16.160 --> 0:21:20.690 in first Corinthians 12 and 14, particularly chapter 14, it 0:21:20.720 --> 0:21:23.840 emphasizes that if you're going to speak in one of 0:21:23.869 --> 0:21:27.350 in this spiritual gift of of tongues, there must be 0:21:27.350 --> 0:21:31.620 a translation. It's we can't say amen to someone praying 0:21:31.619 --> 0:21:34.020 in a language that we don't understand. So it's really 0:21:34.020 --> 0:21:38.790 important that we have translation. Does that help at all? Maggie. 0:21:39.600 --> 0:21:42.810 Yeah, that's that's great. And I think she made it 0:21:42.810 --> 0:21:47.130 sound like that. God requires that of us to have that, 0:21:47.160 --> 0:21:49.590 to speak to him. We need to be able to. 0:21:49.619 --> 0:21:51.719 And I really don't feel that. That's right. 0:21:51.750 --> 0:21:54.959 Well, you know, it's where it talks about tongues in 0:21:54.960 --> 0:22:01.649 first Corinthians 14, it ends up by saying, uh, uh, 0:22:02.400 --> 0:22:06.030 it has all this list of gifts and it says, uh, 0:22:06.630 --> 0:22:10.859 are all apostles. And the answer according to the Greek grammar, 0:22:11.400 --> 0:22:15.900 the Greek grammar demands a no answer. Are all prophets no. 0:22:15.930 --> 0:22:18.689 Or all teachers? No. Do all speak? It goes on 0:22:18.720 --> 0:22:21.720 to say in verse 30. First Corinthians 1430, do all 0:22:21.720 --> 0:22:25.020 speak in other languages or in tongues? And the answer 0:22:25.020 --> 0:22:29.510 is no. So it's a mistaken idea that we have 0:22:29.510 --> 0:22:33.860 to love and be careful to not repudiate people who 0:22:33.859 --> 0:22:36.800 may have this mistaken idea. It's a mistaken idea, but 0:22:36.800 --> 0:22:39.260 what we want to do is love them and encourage 0:22:39.260 --> 0:22:42.530 them and tell them that it's really important that we 0:22:42.530 --> 0:22:45.679 speak to God in a language that we understand as well. 0:22:45.680 --> 0:22:47.720 So okay. 0:22:48.680 --> 0:22:51.080 Thank you so much. It really helps. Thank you. Yeah. 0:22:51.109 --> 0:22:54.320 Great. Thanks for your call, Maggie. Uh, we're going to 0:22:54.320 --> 0:22:58.609 talk with Lori in Palatine, Illinois, listening on Wmbi. Welcome 0:22:58.609 --> 0:23:00.650 to Open Line. How can I help you? 0:23:00.800 --> 0:23:03.409 Thank you. Doctor, I am a great fan of yours. 0:23:03.440 --> 0:23:08.630 And I have a question about the Nicene Creed. Uh, ah. 0:23:08.630 --> 0:23:12.950 I'm very hyper aware of how people or institutions change 0:23:12.950 --> 0:23:17.060 the language of things to try to get false doctrine going. 0:23:17.060 --> 0:23:21.470 And our church has started to use the Nicene Creed 0:23:21.470 --> 0:23:24.530 in a different way, where it says instead of I 0:23:24.560 --> 0:23:27.680 believe in one God or I believe in one Lord. 0:23:27.680 --> 0:23:32.120 They are saying we believe like a collective and then 0:23:32.119 --> 0:23:35.990 they have changed, um, where it says who for us 0:23:35.990 --> 0:23:38.780 men and for our salvation, came down from heaven and 0:23:38.780 --> 0:23:41.450 was incarnate by the Holy Spirit of the Virgin Mary 0:23:41.450 --> 0:23:44.780 and became man. Well, they have taken men out of there. 0:23:44.780 --> 0:23:47.720 So it just says for us and for our salvation 0:23:47.720 --> 0:23:50.780 he came down from heaven, was incarnate of the Holy 0:23:50.780 --> 0:23:55.040 Spirit and the Virgin Mary, and became truly human. So 0:23:55.040 --> 0:23:59.540 they're trying to take out the word man. So I 0:23:59.540 --> 0:24:02.240 don't know if at some point the Nicene Creed was 0:24:02.240 --> 0:24:05.210 ever changed. Is there can you be more liberal with 0:24:05.210 --> 0:24:06.590 these words or. 0:24:06.890 --> 0:24:10.220 I mean, well, first of all, I've I've said the nice. 0:24:10.280 --> 0:24:13.250 Let me just say the Nicene Creed has changed over 0:24:13.250 --> 0:24:15.200 the years. If you look at the history of the 0:24:15.200 --> 0:24:18.650 Nicene Creed, one of the earliest forms of the Nicene 0:24:18.650 --> 0:24:22.970 Creed doesn't have the the phrase about descended to hell. 0:24:23.300 --> 0:24:25.520 You know, the passage that you read about that the 0:24:25.520 --> 0:24:30.570 Lord Jesus died descended to hell. Yes, that that's not 0:24:30.570 --> 0:24:35.850 in the earliest, uh, Nicene Creeds, just so you know. 0:24:35.850 --> 0:24:39.480 So it does change over the years. Uh, it does. 0:24:39.480 --> 0:24:39.750 Change. 0:24:41.430 --> 0:24:45.480 You learned that from me. Is that what you said? Yeah, yeah. 0:24:45.480 --> 0:24:47.219 So it does change. And the second thing I would 0:24:47.220 --> 0:24:50.520 say is the Nicene Creed is not Scripture, and so 0:24:50.520 --> 0:24:54.060 it can be adapted I think. So I to we 0:24:54.060 --> 0:24:57.030 is not a big deal. It's a collective saying we 0:24:57.060 --> 0:25:03.240 we believe this. And I think when it was translated earlier, 0:25:03.240 --> 0:25:07.440 the word man was used in the sense of human. 0:25:07.859 --> 0:25:10.470 It was a generic term. It didn't just mean male, 0:25:10.470 --> 0:25:14.550 it just meant he became a human. That's the idea. 0:25:14.550 --> 0:25:19.290 And so I totally understand why they're if they want 0:25:19.320 --> 0:25:23.670 to update the nuance, it's that that and I still 0:25:23.670 --> 0:25:27.250 say he's the God man, you know? But the idea 0:25:27.250 --> 0:25:29.169 is when we talk about the Lord Jesus being the 0:25:29.200 --> 0:25:34.570 God man is that he's fully human and fully God. So, yeah, 0:25:34.600 --> 0:25:37.389 I wouldn't worry about it too much. Lori, I think 0:25:37.420 --> 0:25:41.740 they're they're just trying to make the Nicene Creed understandable 0:25:41.740 --> 0:25:44.889 for people today. And I think it's they're doing a 0:25:44.890 --> 0:25:47.410 pretty good job. So anyway, we're going to come right 0:25:47.410 --> 0:25:49.960 back with the mailbag. So don't go away. This is 0:25:49.960 --> 0:25:50.500 open line. 0:25:50.500 --> 0:25:51.730 With Michael Zelnick. 0:26:03.790 --> 0:26:08.560 Welcome back to Open Line. So glad that you're listening. Uh, 0:26:08.590 --> 0:26:15.250 you know, you can always call with your question (877) 548-3675. 0:26:15.280 --> 0:26:17.830 Or you can send them in. Uh, one of the 0:26:17.830 --> 0:26:21.040 great ways we're going to do a mailbag question, uh, 0:26:21.040 --> 0:26:23.780 mailbag program in the next couple of weeks for the 0:26:23.780 --> 0:26:27.770 Labor Day weekend. And so what you do is go 0:26:27.770 --> 0:26:32.090 to Openline radio.org. There's a link there that says Ask 0:26:32.090 --> 0:26:36.260 Michael a question. Click on that and your question is posted. 0:26:36.260 --> 0:26:38.090 And Trish puts it in the mailbag. We're going to 0:26:38.090 --> 0:26:40.520 do our best to get to all those mailbag questions 0:26:40.520 --> 0:26:45.650 on August 31st. So that's coming up. Be ready for that. Uh, 0:26:45.650 --> 0:26:51.350 again you can call (877) 548-3675 with your question right now. 0:26:51.350 --> 0:26:56.419 But joining us right now for the Febc mailbag is 0:26:56.420 --> 0:27:00.650 to hear Haynes and Tricia McMillan. So glad that they're here. 0:27:00.680 --> 0:27:04.310 You know, Febc partners with Moody to bring you Open Line. 0:27:04.310 --> 0:27:08.869 We're really grateful for Febc. Org. Uh, that's far Eastern 0:27:08.869 --> 0:27:13.940 Broadcasting Company. They do great work in reaching people through 0:27:13.970 --> 0:27:17.390 media all across the globe, and they have people who 0:27:17.390 --> 0:27:20.209 are there to follow up and and touch people, person 0:27:20.210 --> 0:27:24.149 to person, not just through audio or media. It's a 0:27:24.150 --> 0:27:29.010 wonderful ministry, and I'd really recommend check out because that's 0:27:29.010 --> 0:27:31.830 their website and there's a link there to their podcast 0:27:31.830 --> 0:27:34.260 called Until All Have Heard. You can learn more about 0:27:34.260 --> 0:27:38.700 that there. And we're going to be joined right now 0:27:38.700 --> 0:27:41.219 by Tricia McMillan. And to hear Haynes, you got your 0:27:41.220 --> 0:27:43.620 mailbag going there. How how heavy is it? You need 0:27:43.650 --> 0:27:46.260 two people to bring it in now? Yeah, it's very heavy. 0:27:46.590 --> 0:27:51.000 Yeah. Many questions. Two of us. Yeah. Our first question, 0:27:51.690 --> 0:27:55.830 our first question is from Gary in Tennessee. Listens to Wmw. 0:27:55.859 --> 0:28:00.899 Joshua 1116 says, so Joshua took all this land, the 0:28:00.900 --> 0:28:04.200 hill country, all the Negev, all the land of Goshen, 0:28:04.200 --> 0:28:07.650 the foothills, the Arabah, and the hill country of Israel, 0:28:07.650 --> 0:28:12.060 with its foothills from Mount Halak, which ascends to Seir. 0:28:12.090 --> 0:28:14.490 I shouldn't have tried to read all this as far 0:28:14.520 --> 0:28:17.700 as Baal god and the valley of Lebanon at the 0:28:17.700 --> 0:28:19.740 foot of Mount Hermon, he captured all their kings and 0:28:19.740 --> 0:28:23.290 struck them down, putting them to death. Is this so 0:28:23.290 --> 0:28:26.200 there's kind of two questions. Is this the same Goshen 0:28:26.200 --> 0:28:30.280 where Pharaoh settled Jacob, and then from whom did Joshua 0:28:30.280 --> 0:28:33.790 take Goshen? It says Kings. But who were these kings? 0:28:34.270 --> 0:28:38.410 Well, no, it's not it's not Goshen in Egypt, okay. 0:28:38.410 --> 0:28:43.840 It's it's it's an area, uh, in Israel, current. 0:28:43.990 --> 0:28:46.270 Present day Israel. Yeah. Okay. 0:28:46.270 --> 0:28:54.160 Uh, and, uh, secondly, uh, when Joshua was involved in 0:28:54.160 --> 0:29:00.130 the conquest, each little town, each little city state, that's 0:29:00.130 --> 0:29:03.820 what they were, were city states. So Jericho, for example, 0:29:03.850 --> 0:29:09.010 had a king. Okay. And, uh, all the different, uh, 0:29:09.850 --> 0:29:15.070 towns had kings, and they were more like a governor 0:29:15.070 --> 0:29:19.000 or even better, a mayor of that city. But they 0:29:19.040 --> 0:29:26.570 were independent. There was no one king over them all. 0:29:26.690 --> 0:29:30.500 They were all independent city states. Okay, so those are 0:29:30.500 --> 0:29:32.900 the kings that it's talking about. 0:29:32.930 --> 0:29:33.560 Okay. 0:29:33.590 --> 0:29:39.020 They they weren't they weren't like emperors or, or kings 0:29:39.020 --> 0:29:42.500 that united a whole nation. Okay. Occasionally there'd be one 0:29:42.500 --> 0:29:49.370 of those kings that would have, uh, uh, more influence 0:29:49.370 --> 0:29:51.860 than the others. I'm looking up, uh, trying to remember 0:29:51.860 --> 0:29:58.550 who it was in Judges chapter four. Uh, uh, it 0:29:58.550 --> 0:30:05.180 says that Jabin was the king of Canaan. And so 0:30:05.180 --> 0:30:07.459 all the kings of the city states were sort of 0:30:07.490 --> 0:30:15.770 responsible to him. And, uh, uh, so although there were 0:30:15.770 --> 0:30:20.160 still city states that sometimes one king became dominant about 0:30:20.160 --> 0:30:25.710 over them all. And that's what. What happened there? Uh, 0:30:25.710 --> 0:30:31.470 in judges four. So, you know, it's generally speaking, city. States. 0:30:31.470 --> 0:30:38.940 But uh, instead, uh, they can come like, uh, Jabin 0:30:38.940 --> 0:30:43.140 was in a town called Hatzor. Or Hazor. 0:30:43.290 --> 0:30:44.130 Thank you. 0:30:44.700 --> 0:30:48.450 Hatzor. And in Hatzor, he was the king over that 0:30:48.450 --> 0:30:52.560 city state. But because of his power, because he had chariots, 0:30:52.560 --> 0:30:56.700 he had influence over the whole area. And the other 0:30:56.700 --> 0:31:00.180 kings were sort of vassals to him, the other city states. Okay. 0:31:00.210 --> 0:31:02.910 But in this particular situation, when Josh was going through 0:31:02.910 --> 0:31:06.600 the land and they're conquering and taking the promised land, 0:31:06.990 --> 0:31:10.230 they're just they were not like that. They were just 0:31:10.230 --> 0:31:13.770 little standalone city states where there just would have been 0:31:13.770 --> 0:31:15.930 like the governor over that little area. And so they 0:31:15.930 --> 0:31:19.750 would take that. Okay. Okay. All right. Thank you for 0:31:19.780 --> 0:31:23.680 that question, Gary. Our next question do you want to ask? 0:31:23.830 --> 0:31:27.190 Yes. The next question is from Catherine in Alabama. She 0:31:27.190 --> 0:31:32.470 listens through WFMT. What is the remnant of Israel mentioned 0:31:32.500 --> 0:31:34.420 so many times in the Old Testament? 0:31:35.770 --> 0:31:42.190 The word remnant in Hebrew, uh, is a small part 0:31:42.190 --> 0:31:45.760 of the whole. That's what it is. And of course, 0:31:45.760 --> 0:31:49.900 the nation of Israel chosen by God. All beneficiaries of 0:31:49.900 --> 0:31:53.530 the Abrahamic covenant. One of the things that you see 0:31:53.560 --> 0:31:57.490 is only a small part of the whole remained faithful. 0:31:57.520 --> 0:32:05.500 This is always how it is faithful. Uh uh. They 0:32:05.500 --> 0:32:07.660 need to be. They were to be faithful to the 0:32:07.690 --> 0:32:10.180 God of Israel. But the whole nation was supposed to be. 0:32:10.180 --> 0:32:12.670 But of course, you know, you can see in the 0:32:12.670 --> 0:32:20.180 story of Elijah and and the prophets of Baal, that 0:32:20.180 --> 0:32:22.220 Elijah thought he was the only one left that was 0:32:22.220 --> 0:32:24.020 faithful to the God of Israel. And of course, in 0:32:24.020 --> 0:32:26.960 Romans 11 it talks about that story, and it says 0:32:26.960 --> 0:32:28.580 that there were 7000. You can read it in the 0:32:28.580 --> 0:32:33.620 Old Testament in First Kings 18 and 19, second Kings 0:32:33.650 --> 0:32:37.040 18 and 19, I believe it is. Uh, I'm getting 0:32:37.040 --> 0:32:40.700 my kings confused. But anyway, the point is, uh, they 0:32:40.700 --> 0:32:46.040 they were uh, uh, there were 7000 who didn't bow 0:32:46.070 --> 0:32:49.760 the knee to Baal. And so they were the remnant 0:32:49.790 --> 0:32:53.990 of Israel. And even today, Jewish followers of Jesus, according 0:32:54.020 --> 0:32:57.980 to Romans 11, are a remnant chosen according to God's 0:32:57.980 --> 0:33:05.900 gracious choice. And so the idea is that, uh, they're 0:33:05.900 --> 0:33:08.090 still a remnant today, a remnant of Israel. That's the 0:33:08.090 --> 0:33:12.380 faithful remnant, the Jewish believers today. So since I am Jewish, 0:33:12.380 --> 0:33:14.970 I am part of the remnant of Israel on the 0:33:14.970 --> 0:33:18.180 one hand. So there's all Israel, and I'm part of 0:33:18.180 --> 0:33:22.860 the remnant, the faithful remnant. And then, of course, there's 0:33:22.890 --> 0:33:26.040 I'm part of the church. So I have a foot 0:33:26.040 --> 0:33:28.800 in Israel and a foot in the church. So that's it. 0:33:28.800 --> 0:33:32.220 So yeah, that's that's the idea. And its first Kings 0:33:32.250 --> 0:33:36.810 18 and 19 that you have the whole story of Elijah, 0:33:36.840 --> 0:33:39.150 first Kings 18. Okay. 0:33:39.150 --> 0:33:41.010 Thank you so much for that. Thank you. 0:33:41.550 --> 0:33:44.610 All right. Our next question is from Joanne in Illinois 0:33:44.610 --> 0:33:48.510 listens to WNBA. What is the criteria for the canon 0:33:48.540 --> 0:33:52.290 of Scripture? Also, she loves Open Line. And whenever you're 0:33:52.290 --> 0:33:55.950 on with her with other programs like Carl and crew 0:33:55.950 --> 0:33:59.250 and and Janet Parshall and Chris Fabry with the other Michael. 0:33:59.280 --> 0:34:00.090 So good. 0:34:00.360 --> 0:34:03.810 Good. You know what people usually say they really like 0:34:03.840 --> 0:34:07.200 Open Line when Eve is on. That's what they usually say. 0:34:07.230 --> 0:34:11.609 Not Joanne likes you. Yeah, yeah. It's like whenever Eve 0:34:11.610 --> 0:34:14.259 is on, it's like, oh, can't you have your wife 0:34:14.260 --> 0:34:17.230 on all the time? Because she really is the good one. 0:34:17.230 --> 0:34:18.280 And I agree. 0:34:18.430 --> 0:34:19.870 We do love having Eva on. 0:34:19.900 --> 0:34:22.450 Yeah, yeah. If I could only convince her to come 0:34:22.450 --> 0:34:26.440 on every week. But so, so far, I'm not succeeding. Uh, 0:34:26.440 --> 0:34:28.900 but she does listen every week, and and she can 0:34:28.900 --> 0:34:36.220 send me text messages with the answers, which she does. So. Okay. Uh, uh. 0:34:36.880 --> 0:34:38.560 The criteria for the canon. Yeah. 0:34:38.590 --> 0:34:43.690 The criteria for the canon. Well, this is going to 0:34:43.719 --> 0:34:47.380 sound simplistic or even circular, but I'm going to say 0:34:47.380 --> 0:34:49.359 that the books that were chosen to be in the 0:34:49.360 --> 0:34:53.590 canon were the ones that were inspired. So often we 0:34:53.590 --> 0:34:57.130 think that they were declared inspired because they were put 0:34:57.160 --> 0:35:00.460 in the canon. It's the opposite, because they were recognized 0:35:00.460 --> 0:35:06.160 as inspired. They were placed in the canon. So. So, 0:35:06.160 --> 0:35:11.419 for example, we have prophets like Elijah and Elisha. They 0:35:11.420 --> 0:35:13.850 I'm sure they wrote things, but none of the things 0:35:13.850 --> 0:35:18.440 that they wrote ended up in the canon, right? Yeah. 0:35:18.800 --> 0:35:21.590 So just because a prophet wrote it didn't mean it 0:35:21.620 --> 0:35:25.190 went in the canon. We have the Apostle Paul. Other 0:35:25.190 --> 0:35:29.510 people say in the New Testament the test is apostolicity 0:35:29.900 --> 0:35:32.810 is it? Does it come from an apostle? But the 0:35:32.810 --> 0:35:35.540 Apostle Paul writes about two letters he wrote to the 0:35:35.540 --> 0:35:39.710 Corinthians that didn't end up in the canon. Right? So 0:35:39.710 --> 0:35:44.180 if we found a grocery list that, you know, somehow 0:35:44.210 --> 0:35:47.540 it's got signed by Paul and, you know, he's going 0:35:47.540 --> 0:35:51.800 to the Safeway and, and it's, uh, we know that 0:35:51.800 --> 0:35:53.840 he actually wrote it wouldn't mean that it's in the 0:35:53.840 --> 0:35:58.730 canon because it's not inspired. So who wrote it isn't 0:35:58.730 --> 0:36:02.270 as important as the Holy Spirit working through superintending that 0:36:02.270 --> 0:36:08.030 person to write holy or inspired scripture. What happened is 0:36:08.030 --> 0:36:11.790 when scriptures were written, they were immediately recognized as the 0:36:11.790 --> 0:36:15.690 Word of God, as inspired and placed within the canon. 0:36:15.719 --> 0:36:21.300 Now there are characteristics. They were uh, obviously it was 0:36:21.300 --> 0:36:24.270 more likely if a book written by an apostle or 0:36:24.300 --> 0:36:28.500 a prophet, that that would be the word that was 0:36:28.500 --> 0:36:32.430 recognized as inspired scripture because God spoke through apostles. God 0:36:32.430 --> 0:36:37.620 spoke through, uh, wrote through, uh, prophet through prophets and, 0:36:37.620 --> 0:36:42.150 and people like that. But the test was inspiration and 0:36:42.150 --> 0:36:46.320 reception then by the people of God immediately as the 0:36:46.320 --> 0:36:49.230 word of God. That's what it was. It was reception 0:36:49.230 --> 0:36:51.810 by the people of God as the Word of God. 0:36:51.810 --> 0:36:54.930 So people say, well, why wasn't Ignatius accepted? Wasn't accepted 0:36:54.930 --> 0:36:57.930 as the Word of God by the people of God? Uh, 0:36:57.960 --> 0:37:01.770 they just didn't see it as having the marks of inspiration. 0:37:01.770 --> 0:37:08.500 So I would say that it's inspired text. That was 0:37:08.500 --> 0:37:11.260 the test of canonicity. It sounds circular, but that's what 0:37:11.260 --> 0:37:15.459 I think. It was immediately received as the word of God. 0:37:15.790 --> 0:37:18.100 Okay, okay. Thank you. 0:37:18.219 --> 0:37:21.580 Yeah. Well let's see. Uh, do we have time for 0:37:21.580 --> 0:37:24.820 one more? No, I think yeah, I think what? We'll 0:37:24.820 --> 0:37:27.160 take a break here. All right. But by the way, 0:37:27.160 --> 0:37:30.520 I do want to, uh, recommend a book. It's called 0:37:30.520 --> 0:37:34.630 From God to Us. It was written by Norman Geisler 0:37:34.930 --> 0:37:39.730 and William Nix, and it's available in the Moody Publishers catalog. 0:37:39.730 --> 0:37:43.210 And it's, you know, isn't it true, Tricia? I always 0:37:43.210 --> 0:37:44.529 like old books. This book. 0:37:44.560 --> 0:37:45.340 It is true. 0:37:45.969 --> 0:37:49.030 Uh, because, you know, we keep trying to update things 0:37:49.030 --> 0:37:52.540 and make them much better. But, you know, they they 0:37:52.570 --> 0:37:56.380 this is a really standard textbook, easy to understand on 0:37:56.380 --> 0:38:00.040 how we got the Bible from God to us and 0:38:00.070 --> 0:38:03.700 easy to understand. And I really strongly recommend it. Uh, 0:38:03.700 --> 0:38:06.160 I studied that book when I was in college, and 0:38:06.160 --> 0:38:08.400 then I went to graduate school. And who did I 0:38:08.400 --> 0:38:10.739 have for my very first course in the doctrine of 0:38:10.739 --> 0:38:11.370 the Bible? 0:38:11.400 --> 0:38:12.270 Norm Geisler. 0:38:12.300 --> 0:38:15.419 Norm Geisler. Yeah, as we called him back then. He's 0:38:15.420 --> 0:38:19.050 with the Lord now, Stormin Norman Geisler. And, uh, he 0:38:19.050 --> 0:38:21.540 was a really great prof. And and I was so 0:38:21.540 --> 0:38:23.460 glad I had read that book, because then I understood 0:38:23.460 --> 0:38:25.259 what he was saying in class. Yeah, I'll put a. 0:38:25.380 --> 0:38:26.940 Link to that on Facebook, too, for. 0:38:26.940 --> 0:38:29.759 That. From God to us. Great book. So okay, we're 0:38:29.760 --> 0:38:31.380 going to take a break here. All right. And when 0:38:31.380 --> 0:38:34.109 we come back, we'll be going back and talking about 0:38:34.110 --> 0:38:37.739 your questions. You those of you who are calling in, 0:38:37.739 --> 0:38:43.950 we'll do phone calls. (877) 548-3675. That was Tricia McMillan to hear. Haynes. 0:38:43.980 --> 0:38:46.259 We'll be right back with more of your questions in 0:38:46.260 --> 0:38:48.060 just a moment. This is Open Line. 0:38:48.060 --> 0:38:49.320 With Michael Reidel 19. 0:39:06.600 --> 0:39:09.000 Welcome back to Open Line. You know, since the very 0:39:09.000 --> 0:39:13.050 first week we were on the air. 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The 0:40:46.960 --> 0:40:51.460 oldest hatred is just shaking its ugly head out there. Again. 0:40:51.460 --> 0:40:54.430 We're going to talk about what does the Bible say 0:40:54.430 --> 0:41:00.820 about opposing anti-Semitism and, and try and, uh, mobilize the church, uh, 0:41:00.820 --> 0:41:04.760 mobilize believers to stand with God's people, Israel and the 0:41:04.760 --> 0:41:08.180 Jewish people all over the globe in opposing this, this 0:41:08.180 --> 0:41:12.230 satanic hatred of the Jewish people. So check out, uh, 0:41:12.260 --> 0:41:18.650 The Summit Opposing anti-Semitism in Chicago, November 9th, 2024. It's 0:41:18.680 --> 0:41:21.590 on our website, Openline radio.org. There's the link. You can 0:41:21.590 --> 0:41:23.630 learn all about it. Well, we're going to talk to 0:41:23.660 --> 0:41:27.620 Denise right now in Ohio, listening on Wtxf. Welcome to 0:41:27.650 --> 0:41:30.170 Open Line, Denise. How can I help you today? 0:41:30.200 --> 0:41:30.529 Good. 0:41:31.010 --> 0:41:34.190 Good morning, Doctor Dolnick. I just want to say I 0:41:34.219 --> 0:41:38.960 listen to you almost every Saturday in the morning, and 0:41:39.020 --> 0:41:41.360 I really like your answers. 0:41:41.360 --> 0:41:43.070 My question, thank you. 0:41:43.400 --> 0:41:51.020 Is. Um, yes. My husband and I sometimes disagree on 0:41:51.200 --> 0:41:58.100 some explanation for, um, some, uh, some stuff that is 0:41:58.100 --> 0:42:02.340 in the Bible. This one is, um, him and I, 0:42:02.370 --> 0:42:08.220 we've been arguing since yesterday, he said. He said when 0:42:08.219 --> 0:42:13.200 Jesus said, carry your cross and follow me. What does 0:42:13.200 --> 0:42:17.400 it mean? My husband said, your cross is your faith. 0:42:17.940 --> 0:42:22.589 And I thought, our cross is the trials that we 0:42:22.590 --> 0:42:25.739 go through in life. What do you think? 0:42:26.070 --> 0:42:26.700 I mean. 0:42:27.420 --> 0:42:29.310 We're not going to fight. We're going to agree, okay? 0:42:29.310 --> 0:42:35.310 Don't fight. That's good. Good. Denise. Okay. So in the 0:42:35.310 --> 0:42:39.180 first century, when Rome had someone they considered a rebel, 0:42:39.210 --> 0:42:47.280 they would then crucify that person, right? That's. And as 0:42:47.280 --> 0:42:51.930 you see in the gospel accounts of the crucifixion of Jesus, 0:42:51.930 --> 0:42:56.670 the Romans made people they were going to crucify, carry. 0:42:56.700 --> 0:43:01.060 They made them carry the cross to the crucifixion. And 0:43:01.060 --> 0:43:04.870 the reason the Romans did that is is well known 0:43:04.870 --> 0:43:08.290 was to say you are a rebel, but we are 0:43:08.290 --> 0:43:12.820 making you submit. And they would force people to submit. 0:43:12.820 --> 0:43:19.060 And so to carry one's cross became an idiom for submission. 0:43:20.469 --> 0:43:23.650 And so when the Lord Jesus says that you're to 0:43:23.680 --> 0:43:27.339 take up your cross and follow him, it all it's 0:43:27.340 --> 0:43:31.719 saying is you are to submit to me and follow 0:43:31.750 --> 0:43:34.569 me wherever I lead you. That's what it means. It's 0:43:34.570 --> 0:43:39.879 referring to our submission to the Lord Jesus. Okay. 0:43:39.880 --> 0:43:43.480 Thank you. Thank you. That's so wonderful. 0:43:43.480 --> 0:43:44.410 Thank you. Good. 0:43:44.440 --> 0:43:48.760 Okay. Thank you so much. Thanks for your question. Appreciate it. Denise. Uh, 0:43:48.760 --> 0:43:54.010 we're going to speak with Roland in Chicago, listening on Wmbi. 0:43:54.040 --> 0:43:56.830 Welcome to Open Line, Roland. How can I help you today? 0:43:57.700 --> 0:44:01.370 Thank you. Just one. One comment. I've been listening to 0:44:01.400 --> 0:44:05.150 Open Line on and off since about 1971 anyway. 0:44:05.420 --> 0:44:10.700 Um, I wasn't on then. That was, uh, that was 0:44:10.700 --> 0:44:12.800 Don Cole back then, right? 0:44:13.310 --> 0:44:20.029 Yes. Yeah. Uh, I first Peter one one. Um, I 0:44:20.030 --> 0:44:22.580 want to know the use of the word elect to 0:44:22.580 --> 0:44:27.680 those who are elect exiles of the dispersion and any 0:44:27.680 --> 0:44:30.859 list of cities that they were. Um. Mhm. 0:44:33.050 --> 0:44:34.759 Who do you think they are? 0:44:38.330 --> 0:44:42.200 Um, first of all, I don't know if there's a 0:44:42.200 --> 0:44:49.940 common between, um, elect and exile. Uh, if that's exile, uh, 0:44:49.940 --> 0:44:54.739 indicating that there are special people that are, uh, in 0:44:54.739 --> 0:44:59.610 those cities. Um, and its dispersion or whether who are 0:44:59.610 --> 0:45:04.920 elect and they are exiles in the dispersion of uh, 0:45:04.920 --> 0:45:08.339 and Fox Glacier. Um, okay. That is. 0:45:08.670 --> 0:45:12.000 Okay. So the word elect means chosen. I really like 0:45:12.000 --> 0:45:14.790 that my Bible doesn't use the word elect. It uses 0:45:14.790 --> 0:45:18.540 the word chosen in the hcsb. It says to the 0:45:18.540 --> 0:45:24.330 temporary residence dispersed. And the word dispersed is a technical term. 0:45:24.330 --> 0:45:27.480 It even has a footnote in my Bible. It says 0:45:27.480 --> 0:45:31.050 Jewish people scattered throughout Gentile lands who spoke Greek and 0:45:31.080 --> 0:45:34.830 were influenced by Greek culture. Uh, it's the diaspora, Jewish 0:45:34.830 --> 0:45:38.219 people who are in the diaspora, the dispersion. So he's 0:45:38.219 --> 0:45:45.780 talking about temporary residence, Jewish people in the cities Pontus, Galatia, Cappadocia, Asia, Bithynia. 0:45:45.780 --> 0:45:49.590 Then it says, chosen according to the foreknowledge of God 0:45:49.590 --> 0:45:52.830 the Father and set apart by the spirit for obedience 0:45:52.830 --> 0:45:56.020 and for sprinkling with the blood of. For sprinkling with 0:45:56.020 --> 0:45:57.820 the blood of Jesus the Messiah. So when it talks 0:45:57.820 --> 0:46:00.310 about being chosen, I don't think he's only talking about 0:46:00.310 --> 0:46:03.250 them being from the chosen people, but I think he's 0:46:03.250 --> 0:46:06.040 also talking about them being chosen by God to be 0:46:06.040 --> 0:46:11.080 followers of Jesus. Twice chosen, so to speak, Jewish believers 0:46:11.080 --> 0:46:14.830 in Jesus. Uh. Hope that helps. That's the program for 0:46:14.830 --> 0:46:18.100 the week. Can't believe it's over already. 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