1 00:00:05,960 --> 00:00:08,360 S1: You and I have something in common. If you are 2 00:00:08,360 --> 00:00:11,120 S1: a believer in Jesus, no matter how old you are, 3 00:00:11,160 --> 00:00:16,239 S1: you are on your way home to your final ultimate home, 4 00:00:16,239 --> 00:00:18,960 S1: which is heaven. Today on Chris Fabry Live, we are 5 00:00:18,960 --> 00:00:22,080 S1: going back to October and the conversation we had with 6 00:00:22,079 --> 00:00:25,680 S1: the one, the only, Colleen Chow, who is also on 7 00:00:25,680 --> 00:00:29,280 S1: her way home. She's had a terminal diagnosis for a 8 00:00:29,280 --> 00:00:32,519 S1: number of years, and God has given her more days. 9 00:00:32,520 --> 00:00:35,760 S1: And you're going to hear about her life and her 10 00:00:35,760 --> 00:00:39,080 S1: hope straight ahead. Thank you for joining us for the program. 11 00:00:39,240 --> 00:00:41,200 S1: From the heart to the heart, for the heart, there 12 00:00:41,200 --> 00:00:45,360 S1: is abundant encouragement for your soul straight ahead as we 13 00:00:45,440 --> 00:00:50,040 S1: reorient our wayward hearts to our final destination. First, a 14 00:00:50,040 --> 00:00:53,040 S1: thank you to Ryan McConaughey doing all things technical. Tricia 15 00:00:53,040 --> 00:00:56,320 S1: is our producer. Josh is not answering your calls today 16 00:00:56,320 --> 00:00:59,970 S1: because our program is recorded, but since it's Friday. That's 17 00:00:59,970 --> 00:01:02,890 S1: right friend, it's time for the fabulous favorite Friday. Sigh. 18 00:01:02,890 --> 00:01:06,009 S1: Here's what it does one. We oxygenate your blood. Two 19 00:01:06,050 --> 00:01:10,050 S1: we get your endorphins going. Three we raise your serotonin level. 20 00:01:10,090 --> 00:01:13,890 S1: Four we promote lymphatic drainage, and five we stimulate your 21 00:01:13,890 --> 00:01:17,450 S1: parasympathetic system. That's why we call it the five lung languages. 22 00:01:17,690 --> 00:01:21,530 S1: We also stimulate your vagus nerve. We help you release acetylcholine. 23 00:01:21,530 --> 00:01:25,250 S1: And don't you dare forget what it does to cortisol dissipation. 24 00:01:25,410 --> 00:01:27,970 S1: Take in four seconds of air through your nose, hold 25 00:01:27,970 --> 00:01:30,530 S1: it for seconds, and then as you release that air 26 00:01:30,569 --> 00:01:32,610 S1: through your mouth, push on the left side of your 27 00:01:32,610 --> 00:01:34,770 S1: rib cage to get rid of all that bad carbon 28 00:01:34,770 --> 00:01:38,490 S1: dioxide today. Give a heavenly sigh. Give a sigh for 29 00:01:38,490 --> 00:01:41,290 S1: streets of gold for the wedding feast ahead, for the 30 00:01:41,290 --> 00:01:44,850 S1: experience of worship we're going to have for the tasks 31 00:01:44,850 --> 00:01:47,450 S1: assigned to us in heaven. No, it's not just sitting 32 00:01:47,450 --> 00:01:49,770 S1: on a cloud strumming a harp. There's going to be 33 00:01:49,770 --> 00:01:53,170 S1: things we will do and accomplish for God's glory there. 34 00:01:53,330 --> 00:01:56,010 S1: Give a sigh for the faces and voices we will 35 00:01:56,010 --> 00:01:59,500 S1: see and hear again. And a side that celebrates the 36 00:01:59,500 --> 00:02:01,260 S1: fact that you and I don't have to earn our 37 00:02:01,260 --> 00:02:04,220 S1: way to heaven. That work was already done for us, 38 00:02:04,220 --> 00:02:07,180 S1: accomplished for us by a man named Jesus who dwelt 39 00:02:07,180 --> 00:02:10,380 S1: among us, gave himself for us so that we might 40 00:02:10,380 --> 00:02:13,700 S1: experience the hope of heaven now and the reality of 41 00:02:13,700 --> 00:02:17,460 S1: it in eternity. The fabulous favorite Friday is brought to 42 00:02:17,460 --> 00:02:21,220 S1: you by the reality of heaven that's ahead. All rights reserved. 43 00:02:22,340 --> 00:02:25,020 S1: So our program today is recorded, but I want you 44 00:02:25,020 --> 00:02:27,620 S1: to write down a number or go to our website, 45 00:02:27,620 --> 00:02:29,740 S1: because the book we're going to be talking about today 46 00:02:29,740 --> 00:02:32,300 S1: is our thank you. Yes. If you give a gift 47 00:02:32,300 --> 00:02:35,420 S1: of any size today, we're going to send you Colleen's 48 00:02:35,419 --> 00:02:38,940 S1: book on our way home. It'll strengthen you for your 49 00:02:38,940 --> 00:02:43,260 S1: journey today and encourage you with each reflection on heaven 50 00:02:43,260 --> 00:02:53,780 S1: she writes about. So write the number down 8669548669532279 or 51 00:02:53,780 --> 00:02:57,510 S1: go to Chris lives. Scroll down. You'll see how you 52 00:02:57,510 --> 00:02:59,549 S1: can support us right there and get a copy of 53 00:02:59,550 --> 00:03:05,630 S1: Colleen's book. Again, go to Chris. All right. Let's go 54 00:03:05,630 --> 00:03:09,630 S1: back to October of last year. I began the conversation 55 00:03:09,910 --> 00:03:12,350 S1: with a hearty, Colleen, how you doing? 56 00:03:12,870 --> 00:03:16,070 S2: Oh, I'm doing so well, especially to share this time 57 00:03:16,070 --> 00:03:18,310 S2: with you. It's always such a joy, Chris. 58 00:03:18,350 --> 00:03:21,270 S1: You just smile. I can hear the smile in your voice. 59 00:03:21,590 --> 00:03:23,270 S1: So how many times do people ask you that? How 60 00:03:23,310 --> 00:03:24,830 S1: are you doing? How you doing? How are you doing? 61 00:03:24,830 --> 00:03:27,429 S1: There's different levels of how you're doing, right? 62 00:03:27,470 --> 00:03:31,070 S2: There's always, always layers. It's always complex. But I appreciate 63 00:03:31,070 --> 00:03:34,510 S2: the question. It just means a lot of love and care. 64 00:03:34,510 --> 00:03:35,830 S2: So I never get tired of it. 65 00:03:36,110 --> 00:03:37,790 S1: Yeah. So how you doing? 66 00:03:38,230 --> 00:03:44,310 S2: Yeah, this morning was actually pretty rough. And so I 67 00:03:44,310 --> 00:03:47,190 S2: just asked, God, I know that you want me to 68 00:03:47,230 --> 00:03:50,590 S2: have this conversation. Would you just give me the the strength? 69 00:03:50,590 --> 00:03:53,310 S2: And my besties are praying and here I am and 70 00:03:53,310 --> 00:03:56,000 S2: God shows up. He amazes me. 71 00:03:56,000 --> 00:03:57,960 S1: That was one of the questions I had is when 72 00:03:57,960 --> 00:04:00,560 S1: people say that they're praying for you, do you feel 73 00:04:00,560 --> 00:04:02,600 S1: that 100%? 74 00:04:02,640 --> 00:04:07,360 S2: It's it's actually astonishing the grace that our family has 75 00:04:07,360 --> 00:04:13,760 S2: experienced through prayer. And we have seen phenomenal things happen 76 00:04:13,760 --> 00:04:18,080 S2: because of the saints crying out to God on our behalf. 77 00:04:18,080 --> 00:04:20,280 S2: And it's one of those things I just feel so 78 00:04:20,279 --> 00:04:24,000 S2: much gratitude. And so I'm just so humbled and honored 79 00:04:24,279 --> 00:04:27,040 S2: by all the prayers for us. And we see we 80 00:04:27,040 --> 00:04:29,000 S2: see God's kindness in them. 81 00:04:29,839 --> 00:04:34,400 S1: What is God whispering to your heart today or right now? 82 00:04:35,040 --> 00:04:39,839 S2: Hmm. You know, I was thinking earlier, it's a season 83 00:04:39,880 --> 00:04:44,960 S2: of standing amazed at God. And I feel like for 84 00:04:44,960 --> 00:04:49,400 S2: years I've just been in awe of him, like continually 85 00:04:49,400 --> 00:04:54,930 S2: astonished at him. But it is a season of Constant 86 00:04:55,130 --> 00:05:00,330 S2: amazement at who he is and what he has done 87 00:05:00,650 --> 00:05:03,650 S2: in my life and my family's life. It is just 88 00:05:03,650 --> 00:05:10,330 S2: this perpetual wow God, just you are a good God 89 00:05:10,330 --> 00:05:12,890 S2: in the midst of a lot of hard. And so 90 00:05:12,930 --> 00:05:15,650 S2: I'm in Matthew. Um, I'm trying to read through the 91 00:05:15,650 --> 00:05:18,370 S2: Gospels leading up to the end of the year and just, 92 00:05:18,410 --> 00:05:21,250 S2: you know, saturating the life of Christ and again and 93 00:05:21,250 --> 00:05:25,490 S2: again and again we read the crowds were astonished. The 94 00:05:25,490 --> 00:05:30,250 S2: Pharisees were amazed, the disciples were astounded. And I feel 95 00:05:30,290 --> 00:05:34,130 S2: like that's that's a theme right now of just standing 96 00:05:34,130 --> 00:05:36,490 S2: in awe of God and seeing what he does and 97 00:05:36,490 --> 00:05:37,290 S2: who he is. 98 00:05:37,930 --> 00:05:42,170 S1: And doesn't it take to be amazed at something? You 99 00:05:42,170 --> 00:05:45,530 S1: have to stop what you're doing. We're so busy and 100 00:05:45,529 --> 00:05:48,090 S1: we're so distracted and we got, you know, it's like 101 00:05:48,089 --> 00:05:50,849 S1: you have to stop in order to be amazed. 102 00:05:51,170 --> 00:05:55,740 S2: Absolutely. It is truly all about where our gaze is. 103 00:05:56,180 --> 00:06:01,339 S2: And for me, it takes a lot of discipline because 104 00:06:01,339 --> 00:06:04,020 S2: I can just get wrapped up in my head. I can, yes, 105 00:06:04,020 --> 00:06:07,700 S2: easily distracted, a thousand things going on in my brain 106 00:06:07,700 --> 00:06:11,859 S2: around me. But the little habits through the day really 107 00:06:11,900 --> 00:06:17,140 S2: feed that that casting my gaze on God. And it's 108 00:06:17,140 --> 00:06:21,140 S2: the little, little habits. Recalling a verse or playing a 109 00:06:21,140 --> 00:06:25,100 S2: worship song or stopping to thank God. And that just keeps, 110 00:06:25,140 --> 00:06:27,180 S2: you know, the big long look is my time in 111 00:06:27,180 --> 00:06:30,099 S2: the word, that Bible study. But then throughout the day, 112 00:06:30,100 --> 00:06:33,300 S2: it's just so easy to lose that gaze. And so 113 00:06:33,339 --> 00:06:36,580 S2: I think those little habits really help to keep going 114 00:06:36,580 --> 00:06:37,820 S2: back and looking at him. 115 00:06:38,180 --> 00:06:39,540 S1: Is that what you do when you wake up in 116 00:06:39,540 --> 00:06:41,740 S1: the morning? Do you do you get your nose in 117 00:06:41,740 --> 00:06:43,979 S1: the book, as Stuart Briscoe used to say? 118 00:06:44,339 --> 00:06:49,420 S2: I like that, I like that, and I loved Briscoe. Um, yes, absolutely. 119 00:06:49,420 --> 00:06:51,420 S2: And it takes me a while to just even be 120 00:06:51,420 --> 00:06:53,270 S2: able to get out of bed. So I'm not an 121 00:06:53,270 --> 00:06:56,589 S2: early morning. I used to be like 5:30 a.m. it's 122 00:06:56,589 --> 00:06:59,470 S2: dark and I love this quiet time with God, but 123 00:06:59,470 --> 00:07:02,350 S2: these days it's later in the morning. But I have 124 00:07:02,350 --> 00:07:05,270 S2: sweet time praying, um, while I'm still in bed. And 125 00:07:05,270 --> 00:07:10,230 S2: then I'll get my nose in the book, uh, late morning. And, uh, 126 00:07:10,230 --> 00:07:13,550 S2: it's just very sweet, sweet time. I'm grateful for that. 127 00:07:13,950 --> 00:07:16,990 S1: The dedication to the new book on our way home 128 00:07:16,990 --> 00:07:19,870 S1: is to those who have asked God to give me 129 00:07:19,870 --> 00:07:23,869 S1: more days. This book is the fruit of your prayers. 130 00:07:23,870 --> 00:07:25,230 S1: You really mean that, don't you? 131 00:07:25,550 --> 00:07:27,950 S2: I mean that with all my heart. That could, uh, 132 00:07:27,950 --> 00:07:30,310 S2: make me cry just hearing it again. I mean that 133 00:07:30,310 --> 00:07:32,430 S2: with all my heart. There were so many people I 134 00:07:32,430 --> 00:07:36,230 S2: wanted to dedicate this book to. I really wrestled over it. 135 00:07:36,230 --> 00:07:39,070 S2: And then, just like stepping back and looking at that 136 00:07:39,070 --> 00:07:43,830 S2: big picture of so many people, write to me and say, 137 00:07:43,830 --> 00:07:46,470 S2: I pray for you every day. And I've never met them. 138 00:07:46,470 --> 00:07:49,670 S2: And I just, um, it's it's all the people, the 139 00:07:49,670 --> 00:07:51,210 S2: ones who are close to me and the ones who 140 00:07:51,210 --> 00:07:55,570 S2: I've never met, who God has said yes to. More days. 141 00:07:55,570 --> 00:07:56,770 S2: And I'm just so grateful. 142 00:07:57,330 --> 00:08:00,490 S1: Well, that's what I'll get. An email or a voicemail. 143 00:08:00,530 --> 00:08:02,810 S1: How's Colleen doing? Have you heard anything about Colleen? What's 144 00:08:02,810 --> 00:08:05,250 S1: her latest? That kind of thing. So for those who 145 00:08:05,290 --> 00:08:07,050 S1: this is the first time they're hearing you for the 146 00:08:07,050 --> 00:08:09,290 S1: past three and a half years, it was three and 147 00:08:09,290 --> 00:08:12,450 S1: a half years ago that you got the diagnosis that, hey, 148 00:08:12,490 --> 00:08:15,610 S1: this is this is terminal. This is this is going 149 00:08:15,650 --> 00:08:19,650 S1: away that we don't want it to go for you, but, uh, 150 00:08:19,650 --> 00:08:22,410 S1: it's it's got you thinking about heaven. That's a good thing. 151 00:08:22,730 --> 00:08:27,250 S1: So it's been longer than you anticipated, right? 152 00:08:27,610 --> 00:08:30,770 S2: Oh my goodness. Yes, I, I was just saying this 153 00:08:30,770 --> 00:08:34,370 S2: recently to someone else. I did not think that I 154 00:08:34,370 --> 00:08:38,450 S2: would live out that first year. Um, so I'm just 155 00:08:38,450 --> 00:08:42,370 S2: again astonished at God that he's just said, I have 156 00:08:42,370 --> 00:08:44,130 S2: more work for you to do. I have more people 157 00:08:44,130 --> 00:08:47,170 S2: for you to love. Here are some more days. And I. 158 00:08:47,370 --> 00:08:49,780 S2: I stand in awe. Of course I want to be 159 00:08:49,780 --> 00:08:53,300 S2: home with Jesus. But there's still this, this fight in 160 00:08:53,340 --> 00:08:55,660 S2: me that says there's more to do here. And so 161 00:08:55,660 --> 00:08:59,500 S2: the struggle is is worth it. But yeah, it's it's incredible. 162 00:08:59,500 --> 00:09:01,700 S2: I cannot believe I'm still here. I can't believe we're 163 00:09:01,700 --> 00:09:02,540 S2: talking again. 164 00:09:03,660 --> 00:09:06,980 S1: I'm so happy that it's happening too. And I heard 165 00:09:07,020 --> 00:09:11,100 S1: I watched, uh, Ryan Dobson, the son of James Dobson, 166 00:09:11,460 --> 00:09:15,380 S1: speak at his memorial service, and he said the same 167 00:09:15,380 --> 00:09:19,140 S1: thing about his dad, who said, there's so much left 168 00:09:19,140 --> 00:09:20,860 S1: to do. There's so much I want to do that 169 00:09:20,860 --> 00:09:22,780 S1: I want to that I want to write or I 170 00:09:22,780 --> 00:09:27,420 S1: want to say. But Ryan said in that, uh, short 171 00:09:27,420 --> 00:09:31,220 S1: memorial message, he said, but right there at the end, 172 00:09:31,220 --> 00:09:33,300 S1: because his daddy said my dad was driven, you know, 173 00:09:33,340 --> 00:09:34,980 S1: he was he was always on the move and he 174 00:09:34,980 --> 00:09:37,300 S1: was doing this and all that. He's like, in the 175 00:09:37,300 --> 00:09:41,980 S1: last few weeks, there was just this peace and rest 176 00:09:41,980 --> 00:09:46,980 S1: and a sense of of coming to rest as he 177 00:09:47,020 --> 00:09:51,470 S1: as he transitioned. That was something that that he noticed 178 00:09:51,470 --> 00:09:53,230 S1: that he he brought to the people. I thought it 179 00:09:53,230 --> 00:09:54,350 S1: was really, really neat. 180 00:09:54,750 --> 00:09:58,270 S2: I love that that's how I've prayed, honestly, is that 181 00:09:58,270 --> 00:10:00,150 S2: there will just be peace. And I have other people 182 00:10:00,150 --> 00:10:02,429 S2: praying that for me, there will be just such a 183 00:10:02,429 --> 00:10:05,590 S2: peace and acceptance that this is the time it's done, 184 00:10:05,630 --> 00:10:08,750 S2: my work is done, and it's time to go. So 185 00:10:08,750 --> 00:10:12,550 S2: I love hearing testaments of that in other people. 186 00:10:13,309 --> 00:10:16,309 S1: That's the voice of Colleen Chow. She is joining us 187 00:10:16,309 --> 00:10:20,189 S1: from last October. Our programs recorded. But here's the great news. 188 00:10:20,470 --> 00:10:23,630 S1: The book that we're talking about on our way home 189 00:10:23,630 --> 00:10:25,349 S1: is our thank you. Right now, if you give a 190 00:10:25,390 --> 00:10:29,790 S1: gift of any size at the website, Chris. We'll send 191 00:10:29,790 --> 00:10:31,510 S1: it to you. Today would be a great day to 192 00:10:31,550 --> 00:10:34,829 S1: jump on board and help us out at the back fence. 193 00:10:34,870 --> 00:10:41,710 S1: Go to Chris. Org or call 866953. More with Colleen 194 00:10:41,710 --> 00:10:54,440 S1: straight ahead on Moody Radio. Colleen Chow joined us back 195 00:10:54,440 --> 00:10:56,640 S1: in October, and we were talking about her brand new 196 00:10:56,640 --> 00:11:00,080 S1: book on our way home. The good news is that 197 00:11:00,080 --> 00:11:01,880 S1: book is our thank you. Right now, if you give 198 00:11:01,880 --> 00:11:06,359 S1: a gift of any size to Chris Fabry live at Chris. Org, 199 00:11:06,400 --> 00:11:08,440 S1: we're going to send you a copy of this book. 200 00:11:08,440 --> 00:11:14,240 S1: I know it'll encourage you again. Go to Chris. The 201 00:11:14,240 --> 00:11:17,560 S1: book opens like this I feel like Lucy in the wardrobe, 202 00:11:17,559 --> 00:11:21,479 S1: peering into Narnia, wondering how I'll ever tell the others. 203 00:11:21,720 --> 00:11:23,760 S1: It wasn't a game of hide and seek that opened 204 00:11:23,800 --> 00:11:28,199 S1: the wardrobe to me, but a terminal diagnosis. Unpack that 205 00:11:28,200 --> 00:11:29,200 S1: image for me. 206 00:11:30,840 --> 00:11:33,640 S2: This is actually very dear to me. I sat down 207 00:11:33,640 --> 00:11:38,480 S2: with three of my pastors to run a couple of 208 00:11:38,640 --> 00:11:42,000 S2: really difficult chapters by them, and just get their wisdom 209 00:11:42,000 --> 00:11:45,890 S2: to chat. Um. I just love and respect these men 210 00:11:45,890 --> 00:11:49,569 S2: so much. And I'm sitting there just wrestling and one 211 00:11:49,570 --> 00:11:54,449 S2: of them says, Coleen, it's like you're Lucy in the wardrobe. 212 00:11:55,370 --> 00:11:58,770 S2: So in the acknowledgments I say, Trent Hawk, thank you 213 00:11:58,770 --> 00:12:01,969 S2: for this image. Um, because I just looked at him 214 00:12:01,970 --> 00:12:04,890 S2: and I was like, that's exactly how I feel. 215 00:12:05,290 --> 00:12:07,290 S1: You also say I didn't expect to live out the 216 00:12:07,290 --> 00:12:12,130 S1: first year. You mentioned that earlier. I felt death's breath 217 00:12:12,130 --> 00:12:15,290 S1: on my neck as I got my affairs in order. 218 00:12:15,290 --> 00:12:18,650 S1: I wrote letters to my nine year old son, researched 219 00:12:18,690 --> 00:12:24,010 S1: grave sites, and navigated demanding protocol of both naturopathic and 220 00:12:24,010 --> 00:12:28,090 S1: medical treatments. And I, I read that because we don't 221 00:12:28,130 --> 00:12:31,970 S1: talk about death. You know, it's it's it's one of 222 00:12:31,970 --> 00:12:35,490 S1: those taboo subjects and we don't talk, you know, like 223 00:12:35,530 --> 00:12:39,090 S1: your funeral service. That was one of the questions I have. 224 00:12:39,130 --> 00:12:41,130 S1: Do you have that laid out? Do you have that 225 00:12:41,130 --> 00:12:42,050 S1: mapped out? 226 00:12:42,370 --> 00:12:45,260 S2: Absolutely. Because if I can take those kind of things 227 00:12:45,260 --> 00:12:49,540 S2: off my guys. Um, what a kindness. So there are 228 00:12:49,540 --> 00:12:52,740 S2: things that I can do on this side of things 229 00:12:52,740 --> 00:12:56,339 S2: that hopefully will relieve them. And then I say in 230 00:12:56,340 --> 00:13:00,699 S2: my notes, do what is best for you, like change this. 231 00:13:00,740 --> 00:13:04,380 S2: Whatever you know brings the most peace is is the 232 00:13:04,380 --> 00:13:07,900 S2: best for you know, when I'm gone. So subject to 233 00:13:07,940 --> 00:13:11,380 S2: change that funeral service. But I think it's a healthy thing. 234 00:13:11,380 --> 00:13:15,020 S2: We need to. We are so protected from death. And 235 00:13:15,020 --> 00:13:17,060 S2: I grew up going to a lot of funerals. My 236 00:13:17,059 --> 00:13:19,819 S2: dad was a pastor. That was just a way of life, 237 00:13:19,820 --> 00:13:22,459 S2: but I still feel like we're protected from it. You know, 238 00:13:22,500 --> 00:13:25,220 S2: no matter if we go to a lot of funerals 239 00:13:25,220 --> 00:13:29,420 S2: or not, we're it's a weird it's a weird age 240 00:13:29,420 --> 00:13:33,260 S2: that we live in, um, that we can not be 241 00:13:33,260 --> 00:13:36,740 S2: around it. Um, so I think we miss out on 242 00:13:36,740 --> 00:13:38,060 S2: a lot because of that. 243 00:13:38,500 --> 00:13:42,460 S1: Yes. Well, even the subtitle reflections on Heaven in the 244 00:13:42,460 --> 00:13:44,750 S1: Face of death. It's like, boy, this is going to 245 00:13:44,750 --> 00:13:46,990 S1: be a real downer of a program, Chris. You know, 246 00:13:47,030 --> 00:13:49,310 S1: as you talk about it, it's like, no, this is 247 00:13:49,309 --> 00:13:51,790 S1: the most exciting. I've been looking forward to this more 248 00:13:51,790 --> 00:13:54,790 S1: than any program. We've done nothing for our other guests. 249 00:13:54,790 --> 00:13:58,190 S1: But I know there's something really, really good here that 250 00:13:58,230 --> 00:14:01,710 S1: that you're talking about because you've thought so deeply about 251 00:14:01,910 --> 00:14:06,430 S1: your real home. Yeah. So what what what stirred you 252 00:14:06,429 --> 00:14:09,030 S1: to decide? Yeah. Yeah. This is this is the thing 253 00:14:09,030 --> 00:14:10,390 S1: that I want to leave behind. 254 00:14:10,550 --> 00:14:14,189 S2: Mhm. Yeah. Actually I resisted it for a long time. 255 00:14:14,190 --> 00:14:17,590 S2: What happened is after I got my terminal diagnosis, I, 256 00:14:18,429 --> 00:14:21,190 S2: there were so many things I thought I'd answered kind 257 00:14:21,230 --> 00:14:25,350 S2: of had in the bag. And then here's this rubber 258 00:14:25,350 --> 00:14:28,870 S2: meets the road reality of oh I'm going pretty fast. 259 00:14:28,870 --> 00:14:30,750 S2: And again, I thought it was going to be within 260 00:14:30,750 --> 00:14:35,150 S2: the year. And so I was scouring the pages of 261 00:14:35,150 --> 00:14:41,150 S2: Scripture for comfort and peace and just facts like, oh 262 00:14:41,190 --> 00:14:45,440 S2: my goodness, suddenly I'm scared of being bodiless. Like before. 263 00:14:45,440 --> 00:14:47,680 S2: I thought, oh, I'm, you know, death is just going 264 00:14:47,720 --> 00:14:52,520 S2: to hyperspeed me to the resurrection, Christ's return. Because eternity 265 00:14:52,520 --> 00:14:55,240 S2: exists out of time. And I had all these really 266 00:14:55,240 --> 00:14:58,440 S2: great ideas. And then I'm looking at Scripture like, oh, 267 00:14:58,560 --> 00:15:01,680 S2: there's a lot here that talks about an intermediate type 268 00:15:01,680 --> 00:15:05,120 S2: of state where our body is in the grave and 269 00:15:05,120 --> 00:15:09,320 S2: our soul. We're home with Jesus. So I was desperate 270 00:15:09,320 --> 00:15:14,240 S2: for encouragement and for comfort. And, um, so I ended 271 00:15:14,240 --> 00:15:19,040 S2: up with this Microsoft Word document with pages and pages 272 00:15:19,040 --> 00:15:22,920 S2: and pages. I mean, so many notes on what happens 273 00:15:22,920 --> 00:15:27,520 S2: at death on Heaven. And I just kept saying, no 274 00:15:27,520 --> 00:15:29,000 S2: way am I going to turn this into a book. 275 00:15:29,000 --> 00:15:32,720 S2: I'm not an authority on heaven. That's crazy. Like, and 276 00:15:32,720 --> 00:15:36,720 S2: then the Spirit of God just kept prompting me, you know, 277 00:15:36,760 --> 00:15:41,050 S2: with the comfort you've received. Um, and that's what second 278 00:15:41,050 --> 00:15:43,930 S2: Corinthians one we get to comfort others. So I don't 279 00:15:43,930 --> 00:15:46,650 S2: need to be an expert. I like, and that's what 280 00:15:46,650 --> 00:15:48,770 S2: I say throughout the book, is there's just a lot 281 00:15:48,770 --> 00:15:52,810 S2: of mystery to what's to come. But what we do know, 282 00:15:52,850 --> 00:15:56,450 S2: what God has told us is for our comfort. It's 283 00:15:56,450 --> 00:16:01,890 S2: for our confidence. It's for our peace. It's not to 284 00:16:02,050 --> 00:16:06,410 S2: create fear or uncertainty. So all that to say, I 285 00:16:06,450 --> 00:16:10,490 S2: finally relented and said, okay, God, if this is what 286 00:16:10,490 --> 00:16:12,250 S2: you want me to do, and here you are, you're 287 00:16:12,250 --> 00:16:14,570 S2: giving me more time. I will write this book if 288 00:16:14,610 --> 00:16:17,770 S2: you help me do that. And I will say it 289 00:16:17,770 --> 00:16:22,050 S2: was the most precious time with Jesus almost I can 290 00:16:22,050 --> 00:16:26,530 S2: ever remember. It's just it was a phenomenal, um, sweet 291 00:16:26,530 --> 00:16:28,850 S2: fellowship with him as I wrote those pages. 292 00:16:29,090 --> 00:16:31,930 S1: And it's going to be too, because your your faith 293 00:16:31,930 --> 00:16:34,530 S1: will become sight. See, that's the thing that I think 294 00:16:34,530 --> 00:16:37,290 S1: holds people back. And the enemy can whisper this to you, 295 00:16:37,290 --> 00:16:39,780 S1: or you can whisper it to yourselves like I'm not 296 00:16:39,780 --> 00:16:42,020 S1: an authority. I don't know anything about this. You know, 297 00:16:42,060 --> 00:16:44,860 S1: there's so many other people could write a better book 298 00:16:44,900 --> 00:16:48,420 S1: on fill in the blank. And then. But if if 299 00:16:48,460 --> 00:16:50,980 S1: God is the, you know, tapping at the back door 300 00:16:51,180 --> 00:16:54,380 S1: of your heart and saying, no, I don't need anybody 301 00:16:54,380 --> 00:16:58,140 S1: else to write this, I want you to from your experience, 302 00:16:58,140 --> 00:17:01,780 S1: this is going to help someone. You got to obey that, right? 303 00:17:01,820 --> 00:17:05,580 S2: Yeah. Yeah, absolutely. And that's it. It's through weakness that 304 00:17:05,580 --> 00:17:08,220 S2: we minister. So why? Why do I do this? Why 305 00:17:08,220 --> 00:17:10,500 S2: do I second guess? Because it will always be out 306 00:17:10,500 --> 00:17:14,100 S2: of weakness and brokenness that we get to point to 307 00:17:14,500 --> 00:17:18,260 S2: the great God of heaven and earth and say, only 308 00:17:18,300 --> 00:17:22,940 S2: he can use this broken offering to care for someone. 309 00:17:22,940 --> 00:17:25,500 S2: And he does that and he gets the glory. I 310 00:17:25,500 --> 00:17:26,220 S2: love that. 311 00:17:26,940 --> 00:17:29,540 S1: You write from the first day of my terminal diagnosis. 312 00:17:29,580 --> 00:17:35,020 S1: Till now, I've not asked God for a miracle of healing. 313 00:17:35,619 --> 00:17:36,740 S1: Unpack that for me. 314 00:17:37,869 --> 00:17:40,790 S2: Yeah, that's that's kind of a weird one. Um, I 315 00:17:40,990 --> 00:17:46,270 S2: mainly have seen people, um, claim miracles or cry out 316 00:17:46,270 --> 00:17:51,590 S2: for miracles. Um, and that's good too. That's absolutely, um, 317 00:17:51,990 --> 00:17:55,790 S2: that we see that in Scripture, but the Spirit of 318 00:17:55,790 --> 00:18:00,710 S2: God from the gate did not let me cry out 319 00:18:00,710 --> 00:18:04,270 S2: for a miracle. He put on my heart instead to 320 00:18:04,310 --> 00:18:08,629 S2: ask for more days. And for me, that's been such 321 00:18:08,670 --> 00:18:13,869 S2: a good way to go through this, because instead of, um, 322 00:18:14,190 --> 00:18:18,390 S2: I think it just helps me hold loosely and see 323 00:18:18,430 --> 00:18:21,790 S2: through this thin veil. This life is short for all 324 00:18:21,790 --> 00:18:26,229 S2: of us. And so if I can look at these 325 00:18:26,230 --> 00:18:30,670 S2: days as gifts, it's it's just it's an amazing perspective. 326 00:18:30,670 --> 00:18:33,070 S2: Instead of, I need to stay here. This life is 327 00:18:33,070 --> 00:18:35,790 S2: where it's at. I need a miracle. No, this life 328 00:18:35,790 --> 00:18:38,640 S2: is going fast. And if I just have some more 329 00:18:38,640 --> 00:18:42,040 S2: time to do some more good works, God's prepared for 330 00:18:42,040 --> 00:18:47,400 S2: me beforehand. What a joy. But nobody needs me. I'm dispensable. It's. 331 00:18:47,600 --> 00:18:50,400 S2: You know, it's this life isn't where it's at. So 332 00:18:50,400 --> 00:18:53,120 S2: I can hold it loosely and say, God, if you 333 00:18:53,160 --> 00:18:56,920 S2: give me more days, let me honor you with those days. 334 00:18:56,920 --> 00:18:59,640 S2: I don't want more time for just more time sake. 335 00:18:59,680 --> 00:19:03,360 S2: That's meaningless. But if I can spin those days for 336 00:19:03,359 --> 00:19:07,720 S2: what matters. That's. That's pretty cool. That's neat. 337 00:19:08,119 --> 00:19:10,480 S1: I had I think you just answered it a question 338 00:19:10,480 --> 00:19:14,359 S1: about what you wish you'd known, say 20 years ago that, 339 00:19:14,359 --> 00:19:17,000 S1: you know, now, having gone through the last three and 340 00:19:17,000 --> 00:19:20,440 S1: a half years, is it that the treasure of each day? 341 00:19:21,320 --> 00:19:24,679 S2: Yeah, I think so. And I think too, um, I 342 00:19:24,720 --> 00:19:28,040 S2: was such a control freak. And there's still probably a 343 00:19:28,040 --> 00:19:31,320 S2: vein of that that runs through me, but wow, there's 344 00:19:31,320 --> 00:19:35,410 S2: nothing like. I mean, it's been eight years with cancer 345 00:19:35,410 --> 00:19:38,730 S2: and then, you know, several with a terminal diagnosis to 346 00:19:38,770 --> 00:19:45,130 S2: just put those, you know, hands open and realize and 347 00:19:45,170 --> 00:19:47,890 S2: and still I'll still try to cling to things sometimes, 348 00:19:47,890 --> 00:19:50,730 S2: but it's such a freeing thing. So I think both 349 00:19:50,730 --> 00:19:54,649 S2: of those truths of, oh my goodness, every day is 350 00:19:54,650 --> 00:19:58,169 S2: a gift. And also I don't get to control anything anyway. 351 00:19:58,170 --> 00:20:02,250 S2: And so wow, the freedom. Oh my goodness, the freedom. 352 00:20:03,650 --> 00:20:05,730 S1: What is it about that I've had the same thing. 353 00:20:05,730 --> 00:20:08,730 S1: What is it about the control and you know, is 354 00:20:08,730 --> 00:20:11,090 S1: it a wonderful thing to be a writer because you 355 00:20:11,090 --> 00:20:13,930 S1: can change, you know, at a moment's notice. You can edit, 356 00:20:13,970 --> 00:20:15,729 S1: you know, move it here and there. It's when it 357 00:20:15,730 --> 00:20:18,730 S1: goes into print that, you know, you lose control of it. Totally. 358 00:20:19,050 --> 00:20:21,369 S1: What is it about the control thing? Why is it 359 00:20:21,369 --> 00:20:22,810 S1: that we like that so much? 360 00:20:22,850 --> 00:20:26,649 S2: Oh, I, I mean, for me, I think it's idolatry 361 00:20:26,650 --> 00:20:30,890 S2: at the heart, you know, um, was it Calvin that 362 00:20:30,890 --> 00:20:34,220 S2: said our hearts are idol factories or I. anyway, somebody 363 00:20:34,220 --> 00:20:37,660 S2: said that, um. And truly, our hearts are idol factories. 364 00:20:37,660 --> 00:20:40,620 S2: And we love to be God. We love to be God. 365 00:20:40,619 --> 00:20:45,100 S2: And so if I can control how my day goes, 366 00:20:45,100 --> 00:20:48,980 S2: how my son turns out, how my marriage looks like, 367 00:20:49,460 --> 00:20:53,139 S2: then I am. I'm on the throne. But if I 368 00:20:53,180 --> 00:20:57,379 S2: can open these hands and say, God, your ways are 369 00:20:57,380 --> 00:21:01,700 S2: so good and your thoughts are higher than mine, and 370 00:21:01,740 --> 00:21:05,940 S2: I can trust you even while I labor. It's not 371 00:21:05,940 --> 00:21:11,060 S2: let go, let God. But it's a fierce trust in 372 00:21:11,060 --> 00:21:14,820 S2: God that enables us to labor with all our might 373 00:21:14,820 --> 00:21:19,580 S2: for kingdom work, without needing to control those outcomes. That's hard. 374 00:21:19,619 --> 00:21:21,860 S2: I'm still figuring this out. That's hard. 375 00:21:22,140 --> 00:21:24,979 S1: Well, that's why the process is so important. And you 376 00:21:24,980 --> 00:21:27,180 S1: know what? I can't wait to get to heaven and 377 00:21:27,180 --> 00:21:30,820 S1: to to see you walking there and and maybe running there, 378 00:21:30,820 --> 00:21:34,430 S1: doing whatever. That dancing is something you can't do right now. 379 00:21:34,710 --> 00:21:37,430 S1: Somebody comes up to you in a funny little hat 380 00:21:37,430 --> 00:21:40,190 S1: and taps you on the shoulder, and it's John Calvin 381 00:21:40,190 --> 00:21:42,750 S1: who says, you know that program? You did. You're right. 382 00:21:42,950 --> 00:21:45,470 S1: I did say the human heart is naturally inclined to 383 00:21:45,510 --> 00:21:47,550 S1: create and worship idols. I said. 384 00:21:48,150 --> 00:21:50,230 S2: Look at you. You have the quote. 385 00:21:50,590 --> 00:21:52,510 S1: Our hearts are idol factories. 386 00:21:52,670 --> 00:21:54,709 S2: I love it, I love it. You knew it. You 387 00:21:54,710 --> 00:21:55,190 S2: knew it. 388 00:21:55,510 --> 00:21:58,630 S1: Are you are you thinking about that? It's like other 389 00:21:58,630 --> 00:22:01,430 S1: than Jesus. Of course you want to see Jesus and 390 00:22:01,430 --> 00:22:05,470 S1: maybe he'll just captivate you 24 hours a day. If they. 391 00:22:05,510 --> 00:22:06,510 S2: Have hours a. 392 00:22:06,510 --> 00:22:08,830 S1: Day in heaven, we can talk about that. But are 393 00:22:08,830 --> 00:22:11,709 S1: there people that you want to knock on their door 394 00:22:11,830 --> 00:22:15,590 S1: and say, hey, uh, I need to talk with you? 395 00:22:15,990 --> 00:22:18,790 S2: Oh my goodness, yes. And it's the people. I owe 396 00:22:18,950 --> 00:22:24,149 S2: an enormous, enormous debt of gratitude to because of their 397 00:22:24,150 --> 00:22:28,390 S2: influence on my life, um, through their writings over many 398 00:22:28,390 --> 00:22:32,040 S2: decades now. And so I can't wait to express my 399 00:22:32,040 --> 00:22:35,320 S2: gratitude and just say thank you for showing me Jesus. 400 00:22:35,320 --> 00:22:37,800 S2: Thank you for going before me. Thank you for being 401 00:22:37,800 --> 00:22:41,360 S2: the cloud of witnesses around me. They're cheering us on. 402 00:22:41,400 --> 00:22:46,040 S2: The veil is so thin there. It's not like, you know, 403 00:22:46,080 --> 00:22:49,320 S2: when these saints die, they're lopped off from the body 404 00:22:49,320 --> 00:22:53,960 S2: of Christ. We're all. We're still unified. It's a mystery, right? 405 00:22:54,000 --> 00:22:57,200 S2: And so I can't wait. I can't wait to be 406 00:22:57,200 --> 00:22:58,919 S2: made whole with everyone. 407 00:22:58,960 --> 00:23:01,919 S1: I can drop a name. Then tell me. Tell me 408 00:23:01,960 --> 00:23:02,920 S1: one person. You can't. 409 00:23:02,920 --> 00:23:08,440 S2: Wait. Oh. Just one. Okay, I'll say Amy Carmichael. But 410 00:23:08,440 --> 00:23:13,160 S2: can I add Charles Spurgeon? Elizabeth Elliot? No, I'll go off. 411 00:23:13,320 --> 00:23:15,760 S2: But yes, I can't wait. Yeah. 412 00:23:16,119 --> 00:23:19,200 S1: Uh, well, and steel is another because you include a poem. 413 00:23:19,240 --> 00:23:21,960 S1: We were talking about Anne before, because I've encountered a 414 00:23:21,960 --> 00:23:25,040 S1: couple of her poems and some about her life and 415 00:23:25,040 --> 00:23:28,560 S1: the struggle. This is, uh, her poem that you include 416 00:23:28,560 --> 00:23:31,020 S1: is wrestling with the why question, isn't it? 417 00:23:31,500 --> 00:23:36,419 S2: Yep. Yes. Yeah. I appreciate how she if you're referring 418 00:23:36,460 --> 00:23:38,740 S2: to the one where she says, why do I want 419 00:23:38,740 --> 00:23:42,300 S2: to stay here on this, you know, broken planet? I mean, 420 00:23:42,340 --> 00:23:44,620 S2: I'm saying I'm really botching it now, but she says 421 00:23:44,619 --> 00:23:47,460 S2: it so beautifully. Why wouldn't I want to go where 422 00:23:47,460 --> 00:23:51,460 S2: there are solid joys? Why would I want to stay here? 423 00:23:51,460 --> 00:23:55,820 S2: And she just put that wrestling of my heart into words. 424 00:23:55,820 --> 00:23:58,300 S2: And I'm so grateful for her and for so many 425 00:23:58,340 --> 00:24:02,300 S2: that have put my heart into words through many years before. 426 00:24:02,660 --> 00:24:05,780 S1: Okay, so here it is. Uh, why should my spirit 427 00:24:05,780 --> 00:24:10,460 S1: cleave to earth, this nest of worms, this vile abode? 428 00:24:10,780 --> 00:24:15,300 S1: Why thus forget her nobler birth, nor wish to trace 429 00:24:15,300 --> 00:24:18,500 S1: the heavenly road. Were I to mount the flying wind. 430 00:24:18,500 --> 00:24:21,660 S1: And search the wide creation round. There's nothing here to 431 00:24:21,700 --> 00:24:26,460 S1: suit the mind on earth. No solid joy is found. 432 00:24:26,619 --> 00:24:28,950 S1: So she wrestled well with it, didn't she? 433 00:24:28,990 --> 00:24:33,230 S2: Yes she did. And she got it like we're torn. 434 00:24:33,270 --> 00:24:36,270 S2: This is how we are as humans until we get home. 435 00:24:36,750 --> 00:24:40,310 S2: We are torn between the two because I think there 436 00:24:40,310 --> 00:24:42,990 S2: is there's purpose for us here, and we know it. 437 00:24:42,990 --> 00:24:46,310 S2: And we know that there's value to these days. And 438 00:24:46,310 --> 00:24:49,629 S2: I think if we didn't, honestly, to be honest, it 439 00:24:49,630 --> 00:24:53,270 S2: would be suicide. Right. Like, let's go home. Like let's 440 00:24:53,270 --> 00:24:55,470 S2: take our life and go home. But no, we know 441 00:24:55,470 --> 00:25:00,669 S2: there is great value and purpose even to the hardest 442 00:25:00,910 --> 00:25:04,990 S2: days on earth. So I love that she she captured that. 443 00:25:05,590 --> 00:25:08,550 S1: Well, we give thanks for you, Colleen, and for the 444 00:25:08,550 --> 00:25:12,270 S1: strength of your voice. You've been with us a few times. 445 00:25:12,270 --> 00:25:16,150 S1: Your voice is as strong today, if not stronger than 446 00:25:16,150 --> 00:25:18,790 S1: the other times that we've had conversations here. I'm so 447 00:25:18,790 --> 00:25:22,150 S1: glad for that. Not only the strength of your voice, 448 00:25:22,430 --> 00:25:26,550 S1: but also the content that you've written about in On 449 00:25:26,550 --> 00:25:30,800 S1: Our Way home. Reflections of Heaven in the Face of death. 450 00:25:31,000 --> 00:25:34,400 S1: Here's the good news today since we're re-airing the broadcast 451 00:25:34,400 --> 00:25:38,520 S1: from October, this book is our thank you all this month, 452 00:25:38,680 --> 00:25:41,919 S1: but I'd love to hear from you today. Go to npr.org. 453 00:25:42,280 --> 00:25:44,040 S1: You can see how to give a gift right there 454 00:25:44,040 --> 00:25:47,960 S1: and receive the book from Colleen Chow, Chris Fabry Live 455 00:25:49,400 --> 00:26:05,880 S1: More Straight Ahead on Moody Radio. Thanks for joining us 456 00:26:05,880 --> 00:26:09,320 S1: today at the radio backyard Fence. This is Chris Fabry live. 457 00:26:09,320 --> 00:26:12,639 S1: I'm Chris Fabry, and normally we are live today. We're 458 00:26:12,640 --> 00:26:16,719 S1: recorded because we're going back to October for a really 459 00:26:16,720 --> 00:26:20,800 S1: encouraging conversation with Colleen Chow. And I want to tell 460 00:26:20,800 --> 00:26:24,360 S1: you about some people who have encouraged us. There are 461 00:26:24,359 --> 00:26:28,010 S1: folks who have called or clicked through with Chris Fabriclive. 462 00:26:28,650 --> 00:26:32,649 S1: One of them's Tracy. Tracy did this. Sent a gift 463 00:26:32,650 --> 00:26:36,690 S1: just before the end of February and said many, many 464 00:26:36,690 --> 00:26:41,610 S1: times Chris and his guests have spoken directly to me, 465 00:26:42,090 --> 00:26:45,970 S1: giving me guidance, hope, and encouragement as if they were 466 00:26:45,970 --> 00:26:49,489 S1: in my home at that moment in time. And we 467 00:26:49,530 --> 00:26:52,530 S1: can't do that, friend. We we we can't come to 468 00:26:52,530 --> 00:26:55,770 S1: your house. But I get what she's saying. I am very, 469 00:26:55,770 --> 00:26:58,209 S1: very thankful for the many ways I think outside the 470 00:26:58,250 --> 00:27:01,929 S1: box and at the same time can empathize while listening 471 00:27:01,970 --> 00:27:06,490 S1: to Chris Fabry live. So that's part of what has 472 00:27:06,490 --> 00:27:10,210 S1: happened in her life. And she wanted to give so 473 00:27:10,210 --> 00:27:13,570 S1: that other people could benefit from that. And you can too. 474 00:27:14,210 --> 00:27:19,010 S1: If you go to Chris, click through today, scroll down, 475 00:27:19,010 --> 00:27:22,330 S1: you'll see our thank you. This month is that's right, 476 00:27:22,330 --> 00:27:25,220 S1: the book by Colleen Chow we're talking about today on 477 00:27:25,220 --> 00:27:28,780 S1: our Way Home. Reflections on Heaven in the Face of Death. 478 00:27:28,820 --> 00:27:31,699 S1: It sounds kind of like a morbid conversation or a 479 00:27:31,700 --> 00:27:37,020 S1: morbid book. It is nothing but encouraging and hopeful and 480 00:27:37,020 --> 00:27:40,260 S1: life giving. That's why I want to send you a copy. 481 00:27:40,300 --> 00:27:43,619 S1: There's probably somebody in your life who will benefit from 482 00:27:43,619 --> 00:27:46,700 S1: this book. It's you. And there might be somebody else. 483 00:27:46,700 --> 00:27:49,660 S1: So give a gift of any size. Just go to Chris. 484 00:27:51,540 --> 00:27:53,500 S1: Scroll down. You'll see how to be a friend or 485 00:27:53,500 --> 00:27:59,180 S1: partner with us. Chris. Or you can call us at eight, six, 486 00:27:59,220 --> 00:28:07,900 S1: six nine 5 or 8 669532279. Thank you for your 487 00:28:07,900 --> 00:28:12,860 S1: support here in March at the radio backyard fence. Colleen 488 00:28:12,859 --> 00:28:15,700 S1: Chow is with us today on our way home as our. 489 00:28:16,020 --> 00:28:20,020 S1: Thank you. Right now, Colleen, what does the prospect of 490 00:28:20,020 --> 00:28:23,270 S1: heaven do for a person who's going through a time 491 00:28:23,310 --> 00:28:24,150 S1: of suffering. 492 00:28:24,710 --> 00:28:31,550 S2: Mhm. Yeah. I it's it transforms it entirely. Um because 493 00:28:31,550 --> 00:28:37,110 S2: we have something so good that's coming that, you know, 494 00:28:37,150 --> 00:28:41,390 S2: you take a, a toddler and say if you'll wait 495 00:28:41,390 --> 00:28:44,390 S2: just a few minutes, you can have what's that, that 496 00:28:44,390 --> 00:28:46,950 S2: study they did. You know, you can have a treat 497 00:28:47,270 --> 00:28:50,229 S2: if you'll just stay here and wait for a few minutes. 498 00:28:50,230 --> 00:28:52,910 S2: You'll have this bigger treat. Or you can have a little, 499 00:28:52,950 --> 00:28:57,430 S2: you know, little treat right now. And even a toddler will, 500 00:28:57,710 --> 00:29:00,510 S2: you know, some of them will be motivated to wait 501 00:29:00,510 --> 00:29:05,310 S2: for that bigger goodness. And so I think it it 502 00:29:05,350 --> 00:29:10,510 S2: truly transforms the suffering today. It helps us wait. It 503 00:29:10,550 --> 00:29:18,350 S2: helps us endure knowing that something infinitely loaded with goodness 504 00:29:18,350 --> 00:29:20,550 S2: to the point where we're going to need resurrected bodies 505 00:29:20,550 --> 00:29:25,280 S2: to handle all the goodness that's coming to us. That 506 00:29:25,280 --> 00:29:29,000 S2: helps us endure and wait. And that's why Paul says. 507 00:29:29,480 --> 00:29:33,640 S2: He says it's an eternal, incomparable weight of glory. And 508 00:29:33,640 --> 00:29:38,520 S2: Scripture isn't hyperbolic. You know, when Jesus was hungry or, 509 00:29:38,880 --> 00:29:41,800 S2: you know, fasting for 40 days in the wilderness, it 510 00:29:41,800 --> 00:29:44,840 S2: says Jesus was hungry. And Scripture is not like he 511 00:29:44,840 --> 00:29:47,360 S2: wanted to chew his arm off. He was so hungry. 512 00:29:47,720 --> 00:29:53,040 S2: So when Paul says, an incomparable, eternal weight of glory, 513 00:29:53,360 --> 00:29:58,040 S2: those are massive words about a massive reality. And so 514 00:29:58,080 --> 00:30:01,240 S2: the more we can look at what's to come and 515 00:30:01,240 --> 00:30:06,040 S2: understand what Scripture has told us, man, that gives us 516 00:30:06,400 --> 00:30:10,080 S2: strength for the hard right now, today. 517 00:30:11,240 --> 00:30:13,880 S1: But it does not take away the pain. And it 518 00:30:13,880 --> 00:30:17,080 S1: does not. It doesn't, you know. Okay, heaven is there. 519 00:30:17,080 --> 00:30:19,400 S1: So la la la, everything's good, you know, it's all 520 00:30:19,400 --> 00:30:22,490 S1: cotton candy. It's. because you read the Psalms and it's 521 00:30:22,490 --> 00:30:26,170 S1: like there are psalmists, you know, writers who are just 522 00:30:26,170 --> 00:30:30,130 S1: pouring out their heart to God, which is good as well. 523 00:30:30,170 --> 00:30:33,050 S1: You know, looking for the hope of heaven, but also 524 00:30:33,050 --> 00:30:36,050 S1: being real about the struggle here, right? 525 00:30:36,090 --> 00:30:39,170 S2: Absolutely. And, Paul, I'm so glad you lean into that 526 00:30:39,170 --> 00:30:43,890 S2: because Paul says this is a scripture that I committed 527 00:30:43,890 --> 00:30:46,610 S2: to memory at one point. But in second Corinthians one 528 00:30:46,610 --> 00:30:49,330 S2: he says, we don't want you to be unaware, brothers 529 00:30:49,330 --> 00:30:53,370 S2: and sisters, of our affliction that took place in Asia. 530 00:30:53,370 --> 00:30:58,370 S2: We were completely overwhelmed beyond our strength, so that we 531 00:30:58,370 --> 00:31:02,489 S2: even despaired of life itself. Indeed, we felt that we 532 00:31:02,530 --> 00:31:05,570 S2: had received the sentence of death so that we would 533 00:31:05,570 --> 00:31:08,530 S2: not trust in ourselves, but in God who raises the dead. 534 00:31:08,930 --> 00:31:15,690 S2: And so there is a dual reality here of complete overwhelm. 535 00:31:15,690 --> 00:31:17,970 S2: There are days where I'm like, there is no way 536 00:31:17,970 --> 00:31:21,380 S2: I can do this for another day. Absolutely not. I'm done. 537 00:31:21,860 --> 00:31:28,340 S2: And the miracle that keeps happening is that the reality 538 00:31:28,340 --> 00:31:32,780 S2: of God's existence. He is real. And I can testify 539 00:31:32,780 --> 00:31:37,540 S2: to it because I should not be here enduring with joy. 540 00:31:38,020 --> 00:31:40,940 S2: That is a work of Almighty God, His spirit in 541 00:31:40,940 --> 00:31:44,140 S2: us right to help us endure through suffering. That is 542 00:31:44,140 --> 00:31:48,020 S2: very real. That makes us cry out, that makes us lament, 543 00:31:48,380 --> 00:31:51,860 S2: that makes us say things we wish we had never said. 544 00:31:52,260 --> 00:31:54,340 S2: There are things. Things come flying out of my mouth 545 00:31:54,340 --> 00:31:59,260 S2: sometimes that are pretty ugly because it is so hard. 546 00:31:59,540 --> 00:32:02,340 S2: But God can take that ugliness. And that's why I 547 00:32:02,340 --> 00:32:05,980 S2: try to process with him first before anybody else has 548 00:32:05,980 --> 00:32:09,020 S2: to take my ugly. He can take the full weight 549 00:32:09,020 --> 00:32:14,500 S2: of that raw reality of how hard this is, and 550 00:32:14,500 --> 00:32:16,380 S2: it is very hard. 551 00:32:16,740 --> 00:32:19,030 S1: Yeah, I was going to ask you that. Do you? 552 00:32:19,350 --> 00:32:22,910 S1: You know, because I see this glow behind you, you know, 553 00:32:22,950 --> 00:32:27,070 S1: this halo and Colleen's perfect now. And God has done 554 00:32:27,070 --> 00:32:29,270 S1: all these things that change her and in her life 555 00:32:29,270 --> 00:32:31,790 S1: and all that. But do you do you still argue 556 00:32:31,830 --> 00:32:34,310 S1: with your husband? Do you still, you know, snap at 557 00:32:34,310 --> 00:32:35,630 S1: your son at times? 558 00:32:35,670 --> 00:32:37,230 S3: Yes. Oh, yeah. 559 00:32:37,510 --> 00:32:42,190 S2: And I tend to be an imploder instead of an exploder. Um, 560 00:32:42,230 --> 00:32:47,070 S2: both are devastating in their own special ways. So I will, 561 00:32:47,350 --> 00:32:50,550 S2: you know, stuff, stuff, stuff. But it comes out eventually 562 00:32:50,550 --> 00:32:54,630 S2: one way or another. So if, uh. Yeah, if you 563 00:32:54,630 --> 00:32:56,510 S2: could just hang out with me for, you know, a 564 00:32:56,510 --> 00:32:58,830 S2: couple of weeks, it'd be like, aha. Yep. She needs 565 00:32:58,830 --> 00:33:05,030 S2: Jesus every day. But there is supernatural joy. And so 566 00:33:05,030 --> 00:33:08,990 S2: it comes together. It comes together. And this will be 567 00:33:09,270 --> 00:33:13,870 S2: the case until we're home with Jesus is. We are 568 00:33:13,870 --> 00:33:17,640 S2: still wrestling with sin. We're freed from the power of it, 569 00:33:17,640 --> 00:33:19,840 S2: but we are still wrestling with it. And that's one 570 00:33:19,840 --> 00:33:24,520 S2: of the things I cannot wait for. Heaven is to 571 00:33:24,560 --> 00:33:28,800 S2: be free of wrestling with this crazy sin nature that's 572 00:33:28,800 --> 00:33:31,719 S2: in me. That is pretty darn ugly. I can't wait. 573 00:33:33,040 --> 00:33:37,400 S1: We had a songwriter who was here and I think 574 00:33:37,440 --> 00:33:42,200 S1: Andrew Peterson. Oh, I sing as Tricia reminded me of 575 00:33:42,200 --> 00:33:46,960 S1: his name, but it was when the last teardrop. Andrew. Okay. Um. 576 00:33:46,960 --> 00:33:50,160 S1: When the Last teardrop falls, and the song is about 577 00:33:50,160 --> 00:33:54,480 S1: the last time before, you know, when in the history 578 00:33:54,480 --> 00:34:00,040 S1: of the world, the last hearse. You know, the last teardrop, 579 00:34:00,080 --> 00:34:04,200 S1: the last betrayal, the last. You know, it's like. And 580 00:34:04,200 --> 00:34:06,920 S1: it gives you so much hope. But at the same time, 581 00:34:06,920 --> 00:34:09,760 S1: it gives you this feeling of, yeah, but we're not 582 00:34:09,760 --> 00:34:10,640 S1: there yet. 583 00:34:10,880 --> 00:34:14,239 S2: We're not there yet. Yeah. Yeah, it's a messy process, 584 00:34:14,239 --> 00:34:17,730 S2: and anyone who says otherwise is trying to sell you something, right? Like, 585 00:34:18,090 --> 00:34:23,770 S2: it's it's truly, um, a constant encounter with the grace 586 00:34:23,770 --> 00:34:27,330 S2: of God. To know our weakness, to know our mess. 587 00:34:27,530 --> 00:34:33,009 S2: I think I know myself more now, and I am 588 00:34:33,010 --> 00:34:36,290 S2: more aware of my sin than I ever have been. 589 00:34:36,610 --> 00:34:39,930 S2: To me, it's uglier and messier than it's ever been. 590 00:34:40,290 --> 00:34:43,930 S2: But then again, hand in hand with that, the power 591 00:34:43,930 --> 00:34:48,570 S2: of God is greater and the experience of God is 592 00:34:48,570 --> 00:34:54,050 S2: more real than ever. But you can't separate the two. So. Yeah. Yep. Yeah. 593 00:34:54,090 --> 00:34:55,969 S1: You know what I love about you, Colleen, is that 594 00:34:55,969 --> 00:34:59,370 S1: you will you will drop these references, you know, a 595 00:34:59,370 --> 00:35:02,529 S1: poem by Anne Steele, and then you'll mention a quote 596 00:35:02,530 --> 00:35:05,370 S1: from The Princess Bride and not even make a big 597 00:35:05,370 --> 00:35:12,050 S1: deal of it. You know. I love that. I just 598 00:35:12,050 --> 00:35:12,690 S1: love that. 599 00:35:13,170 --> 00:35:15,100 S3: I love that you catch these things. 600 00:35:16,060 --> 00:35:19,140 S1: Well, you know, you got to pay attention, but. Okay, 601 00:35:19,180 --> 00:35:21,899 S1: one more question before we take a break. Um, when 602 00:35:21,900 --> 00:35:25,660 S1: Jesus says I am going to prepare a place for you, 603 00:35:25,660 --> 00:35:29,620 S1: I'm going away. What does that do inside of your heart? 604 00:35:29,940 --> 00:35:33,980 S2: Oh, my goodness, it explodes. Because it's not just that 605 00:35:33,980 --> 00:35:37,420 S2: there's something so good waiting for us. It is prepared 606 00:35:37,739 --> 00:35:43,020 S2: by Jesus Himself and He his. He saved his best 607 00:35:43,020 --> 00:35:46,660 S2: work for last. What? The marvels we see on earth 608 00:35:46,860 --> 00:35:50,379 S2: are nothing compared to what's coming. And he's excited to 609 00:35:50,420 --> 00:35:54,620 S2: show us he can't wait. And so when I hear 610 00:35:54,739 --> 00:35:57,899 S2: or read those words, I just I can almost hear 611 00:35:57,900 --> 00:36:02,020 S2: the warmth in his voice. Is I sparkling with excitement 612 00:36:02,020 --> 00:36:05,859 S2: to show us what he's been preparing? Man. 613 00:36:06,980 --> 00:36:11,180 S1: Well, and the other thing is the the intense personal 614 00:36:11,180 --> 00:36:14,630 S1: nature of that because I, I tend to think that, 615 00:36:14,670 --> 00:36:18,069 S1: you know, of if I'm, if I'm getting into heaven, 616 00:36:18,110 --> 00:36:19,430 S1: you know, this is how people will put it. If 617 00:36:19,430 --> 00:36:22,069 S1: I'm getting into heaven, I'll be in the back somewhere, 618 00:36:22,110 --> 00:36:24,350 S1: you know, in the in the cheap seats. Or you 619 00:36:24,350 --> 00:36:26,469 S1: wrote about going to a baseball game and having to 620 00:36:26,510 --> 00:36:28,669 S1: sit in the angels, having to sit way up, way 621 00:36:28,670 --> 00:36:31,149 S1: up high. Um, but that's where I'm going to be. 622 00:36:31,150 --> 00:36:34,310 S1: And it's like, okay, there's Jesus, and he's looking out 623 00:36:34,310 --> 00:36:37,590 S1: at everybody and these huge crowds, but I'm just another 624 00:36:37,590 --> 00:36:40,750 S1: face in the crowd. And it's like, there is this 625 00:36:40,790 --> 00:36:46,350 S1: sense of, no, I see you, you, I've chosen you, I've, 626 00:36:46,390 --> 00:36:51,230 S1: I've called you. I died for you. I gave myself 627 00:36:51,230 --> 00:36:56,470 S1: for you. It's so individual and personal as well as corporate, right? 628 00:36:56,510 --> 00:36:59,830 S2: It really is. And I think it was Spurgeon that, um, 629 00:37:00,910 --> 00:37:03,390 S2: his quote is so precious to me. And he says 630 00:37:03,390 --> 00:37:06,430 S2: he will do it well, for he knows all about us. 631 00:37:06,430 --> 00:37:09,350 S2: He knows what will give us the most happiness. He 632 00:37:09,350 --> 00:37:13,279 S2: loves us too, so well that as the preparing is 633 00:37:13,280 --> 00:37:16,359 S2: left to him, I know that he will prepare us nothing. 634 00:37:16,400 --> 00:37:20,560 S2: Second rate, nothing that could possibly be excelled. We shall 635 00:37:20,560 --> 00:37:23,400 S2: have the best of the best and much of it. 636 00:37:23,760 --> 00:37:27,760 S2: And so just the idea, like you're saying, it's so personalized. 637 00:37:27,760 --> 00:37:32,440 S2: He knows us. He created us. He, you know, he's 638 00:37:32,440 --> 00:37:36,440 S2: delighted to give his children his best. If he didn't 639 00:37:36,440 --> 00:37:40,960 S2: withhold his own son from us, how is he right? 640 00:37:41,120 --> 00:37:44,279 S2: Why would he withhold all that he could give us? 641 00:37:44,280 --> 00:37:46,719 S2: And there are no cheap seats in heaven we are 642 00:37:46,719 --> 00:37:49,920 S2: going to experience like this. 643 00:37:49,960 --> 00:37:50,560 S1: Nosebleed. 644 00:37:50,560 --> 00:37:52,719 S3: Joy. Yes, yes. 645 00:37:52,760 --> 00:37:56,400 S2: Yes there's reward. Yes, there are different levels of responsibility. 646 00:37:56,400 --> 00:38:00,400 S2: All that. That's another conversation. But no, nothing will be. 647 00:38:00,600 --> 00:38:04,840 S2: Nothing will be stingy or cheap or cheated. Yes. 648 00:38:05,280 --> 00:38:09,160 S1: Well, Colleen has poured her heart and her life into 649 00:38:09,200 --> 00:38:11,090 S1: this book, and that's one of the reasons why I 650 00:38:11,090 --> 00:38:13,770 S1: want to send you a copy. If you're listening today 651 00:38:13,770 --> 00:38:16,129 S1: and you say, I want to get this, I need 652 00:38:16,130 --> 00:38:20,050 S1: that encouragement. On our way Home by Colleen Chow is 653 00:38:20,050 --> 00:38:23,850 S1: our thank you. If you go to Chris. Org. Scroll down. 654 00:38:23,850 --> 00:38:26,330 S1: You'll see how you can give a gift of any size. 655 00:38:26,570 --> 00:38:29,610 S1: We'd love to send it to you. Chris Fabry lives 656 00:38:31,010 --> 00:38:43,530 S1: more straight ahead on Moody Radio. Do you hear the hope? 657 00:38:43,570 --> 00:38:47,010 S1: Do you hear the joy in Colleen Chow's voice today? 658 00:38:47,010 --> 00:38:51,450 S1: She has written about a great topic. Heaven on our 659 00:38:51,450 --> 00:38:58,850 S1: way home. It's poetic, it's lyrical. It's, uh. It'll impact you. And, uh, 660 00:38:59,090 --> 00:39:01,850 S1: I'd love for you to see it at the website. Chris, 661 00:39:03,450 --> 00:39:07,010 S1: click the today's information. You'll see it right there. Chris 662 00:39:07,010 --> 00:39:13,060 S1: Fabry lives. Oh, I want to know. I want to 663 00:39:13,060 --> 00:39:15,140 S1: know so much. This is not going to be our 664 00:39:15,140 --> 00:39:16,819 S1: last conversation. You know that. 665 00:39:17,219 --> 00:39:21,820 S2: Right? I, I think that's a good thing. I can, uh, yep. 666 00:39:21,860 --> 00:39:22,660 S2: Lean into that. 667 00:39:23,739 --> 00:39:26,580 S1: Even if something happens to you or me, because we 668 00:39:26,580 --> 00:39:30,220 S1: don't know. We we have no idea what's going to happen. Um, 669 00:39:30,620 --> 00:39:33,259 S1: then then we're going to have another conversation and join 670 00:39:33,260 --> 00:39:34,380 S1: us in heaven, folks. 671 00:39:34,780 --> 00:39:37,580 S2: Lots of convos, lots of combos. Yeah. 672 00:39:38,100 --> 00:39:43,860 S1: Um, I want to know. If God is the sovereignty 673 00:39:43,900 --> 00:39:47,379 S1: of God. He knows, uh, you know, personally. He knows 674 00:39:47,380 --> 00:39:49,779 S1: the hairs on your head. And that's just not trivia. 675 00:39:49,820 --> 00:39:52,819 S1: I think it's more it's like he knows you personally. 676 00:39:53,020 --> 00:39:56,299 S1: But if God is sovereign, he does know your end 677 00:39:56,300 --> 00:39:59,140 S1: of days. Does that comfort you? 678 00:39:59,980 --> 00:40:04,380 S2: It really, really does. And there's, um, one thing I 679 00:40:04,380 --> 00:40:08,880 S2: write about in the book is this Idea that as 680 00:40:08,880 --> 00:40:13,440 S2: I looked through scripture, there was this feeling that God 681 00:40:13,440 --> 00:40:17,960 S2: is actually anticipating that day, um, when he gets to 682 00:40:18,000 --> 00:40:20,719 S2: take me home. And that sounds a little weird, but 683 00:40:20,760 --> 00:40:24,200 S2: he uses the word precious in the sight of the 684 00:40:24,200 --> 00:40:26,680 S2: Lord is the death of his saints. And then again 685 00:40:26,680 --> 00:40:30,439 S2: and again we see it. It says the time had 686 00:40:30,440 --> 00:40:34,520 S2: come to take Elijah. And again, like, this is kind 687 00:40:34,520 --> 00:40:38,680 S2: of a theme throughout Scripture where it's almost like, you know, 688 00:40:38,719 --> 00:40:41,480 S2: God's outside of time, but he's almost counting down the 689 00:40:41,480 --> 00:40:44,920 S2: days till he gets to take us to himself. And 690 00:40:44,920 --> 00:40:49,919 S2: so it's precious to him. And he has them those 691 00:40:49,920 --> 00:40:54,680 S2: days numbered, I think, because he's excited to to to 692 00:40:54,719 --> 00:40:58,200 S2: have us, to have us in his very presence. So 693 00:40:58,440 --> 00:41:01,560 S2: that brings me comfort that that's hopeful. 694 00:41:02,480 --> 00:41:04,920 S1: Kim is on the line for you. Colleen. Kim, what 695 00:41:04,920 --> 00:41:06,290 S1: did you want to say today? 696 00:41:06,810 --> 00:41:11,009 S4: Hi. I'm so delighted to get to say hello to you, Colleen. 697 00:41:11,850 --> 00:41:14,649 S4: I heard you on Chris Bakery the first time that 698 00:41:14,650 --> 00:41:17,450 S4: you were on. I bought your book. I've shared it 699 00:41:17,450 --> 00:41:20,370 S4: with so many people and it's been such an encouragement 700 00:41:20,370 --> 00:41:23,489 S4: to me. And I know Chris frequently says somebody needs 701 00:41:23,489 --> 00:41:26,330 S4: to hear this today, so I'm going to. I was 702 00:41:26,370 --> 00:41:28,770 S4: in Sam's and I said, oh, I've just got a call. 703 00:41:29,090 --> 00:41:30,489 S2: But I have a. 704 00:41:30,570 --> 00:41:34,970 S4: Precious little granddaughter that was born with spinal muscular atrophy. 705 00:41:35,250 --> 00:41:38,730 S4: It has been quite a journey. And in God's mercy 706 00:41:38,730 --> 00:41:43,570 S4: and kindness, she's 12 years old now and under trial. 707 00:41:43,610 --> 00:41:49,049 S4: Studies on medications. But, um, over the years, um, the 708 00:41:49,050 --> 00:41:53,529 S4: Lord has been so faithful to this family and to 709 00:41:53,570 --> 00:41:57,450 S4: me as a grandmother, to be able to see his hand, 710 00:41:57,489 --> 00:42:02,209 S4: his good, good hand, and to prepare me that if 711 00:42:02,210 --> 00:42:06,500 S4: she were to go to heaven before I do that, um, 712 00:42:06,540 --> 00:42:11,860 S4: he is sovereignly in control of all of our days, 713 00:42:11,860 --> 00:42:15,860 S4: and it's just, oh, I prayed for you so many times. 714 00:42:15,860 --> 00:42:17,939 S4: And when I turned the radio on today, I heard 715 00:42:17,940 --> 00:42:19,779 S4: your voice. I just cheered. 716 00:42:20,420 --> 00:42:24,259 S2: Oh, you have me in tears. It is such an 717 00:42:24,260 --> 00:42:27,340 S2: honor to connect with you here, and I just oh, 718 00:42:27,460 --> 00:42:29,899 S2: I love, I love your testimony. We should just turn 719 00:42:29,900 --> 00:42:33,899 S2: the program over to you. It's so powerful and sweet. 720 00:42:35,100 --> 00:42:38,219 S1: And all that. And Sam's Club, too. Uh, okay. So, Kim, 721 00:42:38,219 --> 00:42:40,660 S1: I want you to hang on, and, uh, Trisha's going 722 00:42:40,660 --> 00:42:42,299 S1: to get your information. I want to send you a 723 00:42:42,300 --> 00:42:45,900 S1: copy of this, uh, that Coleen has written. I think 724 00:42:45,900 --> 00:42:49,220 S1: it'll really encourage you and anybody who reads On our 725 00:42:49,219 --> 00:42:52,739 S1: Way home reflections on Heaven in the Face of death. 726 00:42:52,900 --> 00:42:56,980 S1: Just go to Chris. Dot, is there a song that 727 00:42:56,980 --> 00:42:58,580 S1: is dear to you these days? 728 00:42:59,660 --> 00:43:04,109 S2: Uh, you know the one by Shane and Shane. Is 729 00:43:04,110 --> 00:43:08,870 S2: he worthy? I will put that one on. Put my 730 00:43:08,870 --> 00:43:11,589 S2: hands up in the air and belt that out when 731 00:43:11,590 --> 00:43:15,870 S2: I'm by myself in the house. That song. Is he worthy? 732 00:43:15,910 --> 00:43:19,629 S2: It is. It is so filled with eternal realities. And 733 00:43:19,630 --> 00:43:22,830 S2: the glory that's to come. And the glory that we 734 00:43:22,830 --> 00:43:26,189 S2: already get to experience in part here. Wow. I love 735 00:43:26,190 --> 00:43:26,750 S2: that song. 736 00:43:27,390 --> 00:43:30,950 S1: Um, Andrew Peterson I think wrote that. And when they 737 00:43:30,950 --> 00:43:34,310 S1: were singing it in a, at a conference and they 738 00:43:34,310 --> 00:43:37,070 S1: were talking about the songs and the person who was 739 00:43:37,070 --> 00:43:40,590 S1: introducing all this to the people who were practicing hadn't 740 00:43:40,590 --> 00:43:44,110 S1: heard the song before. And he says, is he worthy? 741 00:43:44,590 --> 00:43:48,029 S1: This must be he is worthy. Not thinking because how 742 00:43:48,030 --> 00:43:49,790 S1: can you have a song? Is he worthy? 743 00:43:49,870 --> 00:43:51,029 S2: Question mark. Yeah. Yeah, yeah. 744 00:43:51,510 --> 00:43:55,230 S1: No, of course he's worthy. But and but that, you know, 745 00:43:55,270 --> 00:43:58,830 S1: that just sings to the heart that he's going to 746 00:43:58,870 --> 00:44:02,640 S1: open the sea. Who is worthy to do this? Only Jesus. right? 747 00:44:02,680 --> 00:44:06,239 S2: Yes, yes. And to be able to. It's kind of 748 00:44:06,280 --> 00:44:08,879 S2: like preaching to ourselves, right? Is he worthy of all 749 00:44:08,880 --> 00:44:11,200 S2: blessing and honor and glory? Is he worthy of this? 750 00:44:11,200 --> 00:44:16,840 S2: He is. And like just declaring that to that question. Yes. 751 00:44:16,880 --> 00:44:20,160 S2: And do we feel the world is broken? Yes we do. 752 00:44:20,200 --> 00:44:23,440 S2: You know, just all those sweet ways to ask the 753 00:44:23,440 --> 00:44:25,960 S2: questions and then declare those answers. 754 00:44:26,560 --> 00:44:29,920 S1: I'm glad that's that's made a difference in your life. Okay, 755 00:44:30,000 --> 00:44:33,880 S1: here's one other question. Um, when people when people die, 756 00:44:33,920 --> 00:44:37,040 S1: you know, rock climbers are going to Everest or whatever, 757 00:44:37,080 --> 00:44:39,640 S1: the people will say, well, he or she was doing 758 00:44:39,640 --> 00:44:42,840 S1: what they love. You know, it's like, I don't know 759 00:44:42,880 --> 00:44:45,719 S1: that that that's what I want to do. But what 760 00:44:45,719 --> 00:44:47,960 S1: do you hope to be doing on the day that 761 00:44:47,960 --> 00:44:48,560 S1: you die? 762 00:44:49,600 --> 00:44:52,520 S2: I have prayed that I will still be able to 763 00:44:52,560 --> 00:44:56,120 S2: laugh and have so much joy and live from the 764 00:44:56,120 --> 00:44:58,640 S2: heart Jesus has given me, and I know the end 765 00:44:58,880 --> 00:45:00,969 S2: is going to be you know, if it's not a 766 00:45:00,969 --> 00:45:04,130 S2: car accident before cancer takes me, uh, it's going to 767 00:45:04,130 --> 00:45:08,290 S2: be a pretty rough end. Um, and, yeah, pretty grueling 768 00:45:08,290 --> 00:45:12,370 S2: for everyone involved. So I have prayed that the way 769 00:45:12,690 --> 00:45:16,450 S2: that I die will show the glory and faithfulness of 770 00:45:16,450 --> 00:45:22,170 S2: Jesus and his love for everyone that's there with me. Um, 771 00:45:22,810 --> 00:45:25,649 S2: and I just, I hope I can laugh and have 772 00:45:25,650 --> 00:45:26,410 S2: a little joy. 773 00:45:27,489 --> 00:45:33,049 S1: I can't imagine you not laughing. You just that. And 774 00:45:33,050 --> 00:45:36,489 S1: in heaven, I think we're going to recognize people. Not 775 00:45:36,489 --> 00:45:38,690 S1: only their faces, but their voices. I think we're going 776 00:45:38,730 --> 00:45:41,530 S1: to hear people, you know, Billy Graham across the across 777 00:45:41,530 --> 00:45:44,810 S1: the way or Adrian Rogers, you know, these, these people 778 00:45:44,810 --> 00:45:47,969 S1: that we've heard through the years. And then the voice 779 00:45:47,969 --> 00:45:50,330 S1: of the good Shepherd, you know, to to hear it. 780 00:45:50,770 --> 00:45:53,410 S1: But I'm going to hear Colleen's laugh and it's like, 781 00:45:53,410 --> 00:45:56,089 S1: there she is, I've been looking. And then I'm going 782 00:45:56,130 --> 00:45:58,330 S1: to see Johnny Erickson. Tada! And she's going to be 783 00:45:58,330 --> 00:46:02,860 S1: running down. Hey, I gotta go. Gotta finish this race, Chris. Oh, 784 00:46:03,700 --> 00:46:09,020 S1: thank you, father, for your faithfulness, for your heart and 785 00:46:09,020 --> 00:46:14,380 S1: for not holding back from, you know, walking the trail, 786 00:46:14,380 --> 00:46:18,219 S1: walking through the pain to show us from your own 787 00:46:18,219 --> 00:46:20,620 S1: life away. And we. You know, I say that. And 788 00:46:20,620 --> 00:46:23,700 S1: I'm just thanking God for you and how he's worked 789 00:46:23,700 --> 00:46:27,140 S1: in and through you. You come back soon, okay. 790 00:46:27,180 --> 00:46:29,700 S2: Oh, thank you, Chris, so much. 791 00:46:30,500 --> 00:46:31,380 S5: Again, at the website. 792 00:46:31,380 --> 00:46:34,580 S1: You can find Colleen Chow's book on our way home. 793 00:46:34,580 --> 00:46:36,379 S1: It's our thank you right now. We'd love to send 794 00:46:36,380 --> 00:46:42,739 S1: you a copy, Chris. Pray for Colleen for her family. 795 00:46:43,140 --> 00:46:45,740 S1: Have a great weekend and come back Monday for Chris 796 00:46:45,780 --> 00:46:49,060 S1: Fabry live, a production of Moody Radio, a ministry of 797 00:46:49,060 --> 00:46:50,740 S1: Moody Bible Institute.