WEBVTT - Climbing for Christ 0:00:08.200 --> 0:00:11.760 Stefano has traveled the world with a passion to demonstrate 0:00:11.760 --> 0:00:14.760 the love of Christ. His special calling is to love 0:00:14.760 --> 0:00:17.760 Jewish people and point them to their Messiah. As you 0:00:17.760 --> 0:00:20.960 can imagine, he's got some interesting stories to tell. Coming up, 0:00:21.200 --> 0:00:24.320 you'll get an update on people he's met, strategies he's using, 0:00:24.320 --> 0:00:27.320 and ways to pray. Plus, we'll cover all the headlines 0:00:27.320 --> 0:00:30.760 from the Middle East and answer some intriguing Bible questions. 0:00:31.200 --> 0:00:33.800 Welcome to the land and the book your host. A 0:00:33.800 --> 0:00:36.680 lifelong student of the Middle East, Doctor Charlie Dyer. And 0:00:36.680 --> 0:00:40.080 I'm John Yeager. Charlie. As usual, there is no shortage 0:00:40.080 --> 0:00:43.680 of fog in the news covering Israel in the Middle East. Right? 0:00:43.880 --> 0:00:45.600 Oh, you're absolutely right, John. 0:00:45.840 --> 0:00:47.800 We're going to get to all of that in a moment. First, though, 0:00:47.840 --> 0:00:50.440 as believers, there's a great need for us to share 0:00:50.440 --> 0:00:53.479 the gospel with the Jewish people. In fact, many of 0:00:53.479 --> 0:00:57.800 our listeners faithfully pray and partner with ministries doing just that. 0:00:57.800 --> 0:01:01.790 But what if you could personally take part in bringing 0:01:01.790 --> 0:01:03.510 the gospel to Jewish people. 0:01:03.750 --> 0:01:05.950 Yeah, and that's why our friends at Life in Messiah 0:01:05.950 --> 0:01:10.270 would love the opportunity to get believers involved in Jewish ministry. 0:01:10.350 --> 0:01:14.830 They regularly organize outreach teams to Brooklyn, South Florida, even 0:01:14.830 --> 0:01:18.590 to Israel, outside times of conflict. These ministry trips will 0:01:18.590 --> 0:01:21.110 equip you to understand how to share the gospel with 0:01:21.110 --> 0:01:25.190 Jewish people, give you the opportunity to actively share your faith, 0:01:25.350 --> 0:01:28.750 and provide tools and resources that you can take home 0:01:28.750 --> 0:01:31.390 with you. If you want to get hands on training 0:01:31.390 --> 0:01:35.070 and practical experience in Jewish evangelism, you can learn more 0:01:35.069 --> 0:01:38.990 by visiting Life in messiah.org and clicking on the Moody 0:01:39.030 --> 0:01:42.590 radio button there. That's life in messiah.org. 0:01:43.470 --> 0:01:45.790 Thank you Charlie. And now a look at current events 0:01:45.790 --> 0:01:49.710 from the Middle East. After announcing an imminent attack on Iran, 0:01:49.710 --> 0:01:53.550 President Trump then canceled that attack at the last moment. 0:01:54.070 --> 0:01:57.710 Are the president's ever changing threats just empty words, or 0:01:57.790 --> 0:02:01.940 could there be something more strategic in his apparent course reversals? 0:02:02.140 --> 0:02:05.340 Yeah. Our problem is we don't have access to all 0:02:05.340 --> 0:02:09.060 the information we need to form a clear picture. Different 0:02:09.060 --> 0:02:13.339 media sources pick and choose the data that matches their narrative. 0:02:13.620 --> 0:02:18.140 And some of that data comes from individuals who have political, economic, 0:02:18.139 --> 0:02:22.220 or religious interest in how the story is presented and shaped. 0:02:22.540 --> 0:02:25.340 A good approach is to be reading a wide range 0:02:25.340 --> 0:02:29.060 of sources right now. It's also possible that President Trump's 0:02:29.060 --> 0:02:32.380 threats have been bluffs using the art of the deal, 0:02:32.380 --> 0:02:35.419 so to speak, to force Iran to back down. But 0:02:35.419 --> 0:02:38.100 even if that's not the case, could the pattern of 0:02:38.100 --> 0:02:42.380 threats followed by later walking back those threats, lead Iran 0:02:42.380 --> 0:02:46.859 to believe the U.S. wasn't able or willing to act? However, 0:02:47.139 --> 0:02:51.060 it's possible this most recent pause was actually in response 0:02:51.060 --> 0:02:56.419 to back channel negotiations. Iran's denial of any negotiations likely 0:02:56.419 --> 0:03:00.850 points to divisions within their leadership, with one group negotiating 0:03:00.850 --> 0:03:05.010 while another denies the negotiations are taking place. The fact 0:03:05.010 --> 0:03:08.650 that Saudi Arabia and the other Gulf states encouraged President 0:03:08.690 --> 0:03:11.890 Trump to return to diplomacy could have been prompted by 0:03:11.889 --> 0:03:15.250 signals from inside Iran. But let me add, after all 0:03:15.250 --> 0:03:19.130 of that, a third possibility it's possible this pattern of 0:03:19.130 --> 0:03:23.769 threats and strikes, followed by pauses and negotiations could be 0:03:23.770 --> 0:03:27.650 part of a deliberate U.S. plan to keep Iran off guard. 0:03:27.970 --> 0:03:31.209 It does seem the U.S. has pushed for negotiations, but 0:03:31.210 --> 0:03:35.130 then pivots back to threats of attack if Iran begins stalling. 0:03:35.650 --> 0:03:39.170 Applying sufficient military pressure lets Iran know the U.S. is 0:03:39.170 --> 0:03:42.290 serious and then being willing to put up with criticism 0:03:42.290 --> 0:03:46.490 when strikes are called off. Is more quiet diplomacy and 0:03:46.930 --> 0:03:49.450 looking at the bigger picture from the U.S. part. So 0:03:49.450 --> 0:03:51.770 in addition to reading widely, what I would suggest is 0:03:51.770 --> 0:03:55.290 that people look for patterns of behavior. Where else can 0:03:55.330 --> 0:03:58.640 we go to make sense of all the confusion. Well, 0:03:58.680 --> 0:04:02.960 here's three possibilities. First, keep focusing on the Strait of Hormuz. 0:04:03.200 --> 0:04:06.240 Will Iran be able to close it off with its threats, 0:04:06.400 --> 0:04:09.960 or can U.S. military pressure keep oil and other goods flowing? 0:04:10.400 --> 0:04:14.760 A second. Listen for details on Iran's nuclear program. Will 0:04:14.760 --> 0:04:18.360 pickaxe mountain be bombed, or will Iran allow the International 0:04:18.360 --> 0:04:23.760 Atomic Energy Association to resume monitoring its facilities? And finally, 0:04:23.800 --> 0:04:29.120 watch for information on Iran's proxies Hezbollah, the Houthis and Hamas. 0:04:29.560 --> 0:04:32.799 Are they being resupplied by Iran, or are they being 0:04:32.800 --> 0:04:36.080 isolated by the West and by the Gulf states? You know, 0:04:36.120 --> 0:04:38.560 we need to look beyond the rhetoric and focus on 0:04:38.560 --> 0:04:41.120 what's actually taking place on the ground. 0:04:41.520 --> 0:04:44.159 Well, Charlie, let's talk for a moment about Hamas. They 0:04:44.200 --> 0:04:47.320 have apparently agreed to the board of Peace's 12 point 0:04:47.320 --> 0:04:51.640 plan to disarm and rehabilitate Gaza. Is that true? And 0:04:51.680 --> 0:04:52.960 is there any stock in it? 0:04:53.279 --> 0:04:56.739 Yeah. The agreement's been called historic, and it appeared initially 0:04:56.740 --> 0:04:59.620 to have been agreed to by Hamas. However, by saying 0:04:59.620 --> 0:05:02.659 we agree, we mean we don't agree. This is really 0:05:02.660 --> 0:05:05.580 important when you read beyond the headlines, for example, Hamas 0:05:05.580 --> 0:05:08.420 said it would disarm and then it said, well, it'll 0:05:08.420 --> 0:05:12.060 do so after Israel withdraws from Gaza. Right. At the 0:05:12.060 --> 0:05:15.660 same time, there's reports that Hamas has been distributing rifles 0:05:15.660 --> 0:05:20.140 and other so-called, quote, personal weapons to operatives claiming to 0:05:20.180 --> 0:05:25.060 disarm while passing out weapons is deceptive, even beyond the weapons. 0:05:25.380 --> 0:05:27.620 The larger issue, and this is the nature of Hamas's 0:05:27.620 --> 0:05:30.780 commitment to any peace treaty with Israel, one of the 0:05:30.779 --> 0:05:34.099 former mediators in the process characterized the deal as Hamas's 0:05:34.100 --> 0:05:37.859 most far reaching proposal. And specifically, he said, the goal 0:05:37.860 --> 0:05:41.580 is a, quote, long term cease fire and Israeli withdrawal. 0:05:41.900 --> 0:05:45.180 But several key points were overlooked by most media in 0:05:45.180 --> 0:05:48.419 the West. For example, the Arabic word used to describe 0:05:48.420 --> 0:05:52.500 the long term cease fire was hudna, not peace treaty. 0:05:52.900 --> 0:05:56.570 A hudna is a temporary truce that suspends the fighting. 0:05:57.010 --> 0:06:00.610 In an interview, Hamas's spokesman specifically said the group would 0:06:00.610 --> 0:06:04.610 not change its mentality or its goals. It remains committed 0:06:04.610 --> 0:06:08.610 to Israel's destruction. In addition, the agreement didn't say the 0:06:08.610 --> 0:06:12.250 heavy weapons and armament would be removed from Gaza. It 0:06:12.250 --> 0:06:16.050 said they would be kept in a storage facility in Gaza. Well, 0:06:16.050 --> 0:06:18.650 how long might it take for that facility to be 0:06:18.650 --> 0:06:22.450 raided or have weapons smuggled out? Right. Israel isn't willing 0:06:22.490 --> 0:06:26.250 to accept the proposal. After nearly 40 years of fighting Hamas, 0:06:26.490 --> 0:06:29.970 it's easy to see why they can't be trusted. Thankfully, 0:06:29.970 --> 0:06:33.290 the Board of Peace did respond to Israel's concerns after 0:06:33.290 --> 0:06:36.610 a meeting with Prime Minister Netanyahu. They issued a clarification, 0:06:36.610 --> 0:06:40.050 saying Israel's pullback beyond the yellow line will occur only 0:06:40.050 --> 0:06:43.409 after Hamas disarms. So we'll need to wait and see 0:06:43.450 --> 0:06:44.849 what's actually going to happen. 0:06:44.850 --> 0:06:47.130 If you're just joining us, this is the land and 0:06:47.130 --> 0:06:50.210 the book from Moody Radio. Middle East expert doctor Charlie Dyer, 0:06:50.210 --> 0:06:53.719 our host. I'm John Gager, helping us walk through a 0:06:53.760 --> 0:06:56.039 list of current events from the Middle East this week 0:06:56.040 --> 0:06:59.240 after a period of relative quiet. The Red heifer is 0:06:59.240 --> 0:07:02.000 back in the news in Israel. What's the latest on 0:07:02.000 --> 0:07:04.800 efforts to produce a red heifer and why is it 0:07:04.800 --> 0:07:05.680 so important? 0:07:06.000 --> 0:07:07.520 You know, it's hard to believe, John. It was four 0:07:07.520 --> 0:07:10.320 years ago this month that five red heifers were brought 0:07:10.320 --> 0:07:13.920 to Israel from Texas. The initial excitement kind of faded 0:07:13.920 --> 0:07:16.640 a bit over time. Two of the animals were disqualified 0:07:16.640 --> 0:07:19.680 after black and white hairs appeared on their bodies, and 0:07:19.680 --> 0:07:22.560 apparently one of the three remaining red heifers was killed 0:07:22.560 --> 0:07:25.840 by mistake during a demonstration showing how the ashes of 0:07:25.840 --> 0:07:28.160 the red heifer are to be prepared. So two of 0:07:28.160 --> 0:07:31.520 the original five remain, but they're now four years old. 0:07:31.640 --> 0:07:34.560 Rabbinic tradition says the animal is to be sacrificed in 0:07:34.560 --> 0:07:37.920 the third or fourth year, with the third year preferred, 0:07:37.920 --> 0:07:41.040 so it doesn't grow any discolored hairs. So time has 0:07:41.040 --> 0:07:43.679 just about run out for them. But over the past 0:07:43.680 --> 0:07:47.120 two months, two new red heifers have been born in Israel. 0:07:47.400 --> 0:07:50.080 Their births were announced by the National Institute for the 0:07:50.080 --> 0:07:52.910 study of the red heifer. The group has been studying 0:07:52.910 --> 0:07:55.750 rabbinical issues related to the red heifer. In fact, they 0:07:55.750 --> 0:07:59.550 plan to release a four volume work summarizing their decades 0:07:59.550 --> 0:08:03.830 of research. Meanwhile, a red heifer breeding project using advanced 0:08:03.830 --> 0:08:07.670 genetic research is also underway in Shiloh using the two 0:08:07.710 --> 0:08:11.550 cows that were previously disqualified. The goal of both projects 0:08:11.550 --> 0:08:14.150 is to prepare a red heifer for the day when 0:08:14.150 --> 0:08:16.910 the ceremony can be performed on the Mount of Olives. 0:08:17.310 --> 0:08:19.470 The real goal of both groups is to work toward 0:08:19.470 --> 0:08:22.430 the rebuilding of a new temple in Jerusalem. Now people 0:08:22.430 --> 0:08:25.150 might say, why is it needed? Well, numbers 19 says 0:08:25.150 --> 0:08:29.550 the ashes of the red heifer are essential for ceremonial cleansing. 0:08:29.710 --> 0:08:32.870 To enter the temple without being ceremonially cleaned would defile 0:08:32.870 --> 0:08:35.829 the sanctuary. So the ashes of the red heifer are 0:08:35.870 --> 0:08:39.070 needed before the Jewish temple worship can resume. 0:08:39.630 --> 0:08:43.989 Well, the headlines were intriguing. Burned wooden beams from Jerusalem's 0:08:43.990 --> 0:08:49.150 first temple. Destruction found preserved after 2600 years. Charlie, does 0:08:49.150 --> 0:08:52.699 this mean they actually found wood beams from Solomon's temple? 0:08:52.980 --> 0:08:56.340 Or is that headline more hype than historical fact? 0:08:56.500 --> 0:08:59.380 Yeah, the headline, or at least some of them were 0:08:59.380 --> 0:09:02.459 definitely more hype than history. I blame it on the 0:09:02.460 --> 0:09:06.300 space limitations given to newspaper headline writers, but the story 0:09:06.300 --> 0:09:10.420 itself really is fascinating. Massive wooden beams charred by the 0:09:10.420 --> 0:09:15.420 fire that destroyed Jerusalem in 586 B.C., were indeed very 0:09:15.420 --> 0:09:19.059 recently unearthed. The beams were not from the temple itself, though. 0:09:19.300 --> 0:09:22.860 Those familiar with the excavations in Jerusalem. These beams were 0:09:22.860 --> 0:09:25.980 discovered in the Givati parking lot area, just to the 0:09:25.980 --> 0:09:29.260 west of the original city of David. The beams served 0:09:29.260 --> 0:09:31.939 as the roof of an inner courtyard of a building 0:09:31.940 --> 0:09:34.700 from the First Temple period, but it wasn't part of 0:09:34.700 --> 0:09:39.380 the temple. The fine, though, really is important. Combining radiocarbon 0:09:39.380 --> 0:09:42.179 dating of the wood along with the preserved tree rings 0:09:42.179 --> 0:09:45.900 will enable a very specific timeline, though the Bible itself 0:09:45.900 --> 0:09:48.370 is remarkably accurate when it comes to the date of 0:09:48.370 --> 0:09:53.890 Jerusalem's destruction. Jeremiah, 39, and second Kings 25 both report 0:09:53.890 --> 0:09:56.810 that the Babylonian army set fire to the temple of 0:09:56.809 --> 0:10:00.370 the Lord, the royal palace and all the houses of Jerusalem. 0:10:00.610 --> 0:10:05.330 In August 586 BC. So the beams are visual evidence 0:10:05.330 --> 0:10:09.610 of Babylon's destruction of Jerusalem, just as it's presented in 0:10:09.610 --> 0:10:10.330 the Bible. 0:10:10.650 --> 0:10:14.929 Interesting. Well, lots to come on today's program, including. We're 0:10:14.929 --> 0:10:17.370 going to visit with Doctor Gerald Peterman to answer your 0:10:17.370 --> 0:10:20.410 Bible questions. Charlie, you got a devotional coming later on. 0:10:20.410 --> 0:10:23.050 We'll look forward to that. But up next we're talking 0:10:23.050 --> 0:10:25.410 with Stephano, a guy who's traveled the world with a 0:10:25.410 --> 0:10:28.530 passion to demonstrate the love of Christ, and he loves 0:10:28.530 --> 0:10:31.570 to climb mountains, climb anything that's climbable, and he does 0:10:31.570 --> 0:10:34.170 it with one goal in mind to connect with people 0:10:34.170 --> 0:10:37.210 who need Jesus, specifically Jewish people. Lots of great stories 0:10:37.210 --> 0:10:40.410 coming your way. Our website, as always, is the land 0:10:40.410 --> 0:10:45.170 and the books.org. Check it out for information about today's guest, 0:10:45.170 --> 0:10:49.120 past programs, future programs and more. That's the land and 0:10:49.120 --> 0:10:53.920 the book dot ORG coming up, climbing for Christ on 0:10:53.920 --> 0:11:11.360 the land and the book. For whatever reason, God seems 0:11:11.360 --> 0:11:15.160 to delight in using. What delights you to connect with 0:11:15.160 --> 0:11:18.199 other people to share the gospel. And he can use 0:11:18.200 --> 0:11:21.160 just about anything. You're about to meet a guy who 0:11:21.160 --> 0:11:25.040 loves to climb hills, mountains, walls. As I say, if 0:11:25.040 --> 0:11:27.760 it can be climbed, he absolutely wants to give it 0:11:27.760 --> 0:11:31.080 a try. What's more, today's guest has proven that he 0:11:31.080 --> 0:11:33.400 can combine his love of climbing with his passion to 0:11:33.440 --> 0:11:36.880 reach Jewish people for Christ. Whether that's in the United 0:11:36.880 --> 0:11:40.520 States or abroad. Welcome. This is the land and the book. 0:11:40.520 --> 0:11:43.640 I'm John Geiger. Before we start today's big climb, I 0:11:43.640 --> 0:11:45.860 want you to think with me creatively about ways that 0:11:45.860 --> 0:11:48.420 every one of us can build a bridge toward a 0:11:48.420 --> 0:11:53.180 Jewish friend or neighbor. Finding Yeshua in the Old Testament. 0:11:53.179 --> 0:11:56.420 Wouldn't you want your Jewish friend to find him there? Boy, 0:11:56.420 --> 0:11:59.059 that's my heart. And we're talking with Michael Riedel, who 0:11:59.059 --> 0:12:02.340 is the editor of the Moody Handbook of Messianic Prophecy. 0:12:02.340 --> 0:12:04.300 Some wisdom from you, Michael. What would you say? 0:12:04.340 --> 0:12:06.620 Well, it's not enough to point out that the Psalms 0:12:06.620 --> 0:12:11.540 say that Jesus died for us by crucifixion. Psalm 2216, 0:12:11.580 --> 0:12:14.620 but also that he was raised. It is crucial to 0:12:14.660 --> 0:12:17.500 see that the prophets foretold, and particularly the Book of 0:12:17.500 --> 0:12:20.179 Psalms foretold the Messiah would be raised from the dead 0:12:20.179 --> 0:12:23.739 in Psalm 1610. This is not talking about David. It says, 0:12:23.740 --> 0:12:26.300 for you will not abandon me to she'll. She'll is 0:12:26.300 --> 0:12:29.100 the place of the dead. That's all it really means 0:12:29.100 --> 0:12:32.500 in the Hebrew Bible. You will not allow your faithful one. 0:12:32.500 --> 0:12:35.420 One of the most common terms for the Messiah to 0:12:35.620 --> 0:12:40.740 undergo decay. Not only will he not stay dead in Sheol, 0:12:41.020 --> 0:12:46.130 but he'll be raised Before he actually undergoes any kind 0:12:46.130 --> 0:12:49.890 of day, sees any kind of corruption, no bodily decay. 0:12:49.929 --> 0:12:52.370 And so it's saying just very rapidly, there will be 0:12:52.370 --> 0:12:55.569 a resurrection that will happen. And so right there, that 0:12:55.570 --> 0:12:58.290 was one of the key points. Peter mentions it in 0:12:58.290 --> 0:13:02.290 acts two, and Paul mentions it in acts 13. I 0:13:02.290 --> 0:13:04.290 think this is one of the crucial Psalms that was 0:13:04.290 --> 0:13:07.290 pointed out that the Messiah not only would die for us, 0:13:07.290 --> 0:13:09.370 but that he would be raised from the dead. 0:13:09.570 --> 0:13:12.010 Finding Yeshua in the Old Testament a great tool to 0:13:12.050 --> 0:13:15.329 share with your friend as well. That's Doctor Michael Redlich 0:13:15.370 --> 0:13:19.530 on the land and the book. Today's guest grew up 0:13:19.530 --> 0:13:23.850 with the knowledge of God but no true relationship with God. 0:13:24.210 --> 0:13:27.130 After his grandmother died, he was swept into a gang 0:13:27.130 --> 0:13:31.170 life of alcohol, drugs and immorality. How all that changed 0:13:31.170 --> 0:13:34.050 is quite a story, but bigger than that is the 0:13:34.050 --> 0:13:36.770 story of God's call on his life to reach Jewish 0:13:36.770 --> 0:13:39.410 people with the gospel. And with that, we want to say, 0:13:39.410 --> 0:13:41.730 welcome back to Stefano. How are you doing, sir? 0:13:41.770 --> 0:13:43.320 Doing great. Thank you very much. 0:13:43.360 --> 0:13:45.440 And you'll notice we didn't use a last name, nor 0:13:45.440 --> 0:13:47.840 are we going to. In fact, we're just going to 0:13:47.840 --> 0:13:51.120 keep things simple with Stefano because in his line of ministry, 0:13:51.120 --> 0:13:54.760 there are security concerns, identity concerns. We need to protect 0:13:54.760 --> 0:13:56.839 all that he's doing in the places that he's doing it. 0:13:56.840 --> 0:13:59.559 And so it's just. Stefano. So we're glad to have 0:13:59.559 --> 0:14:02.200 you here. I just have to ask, Stefano, when did 0:14:02.200 --> 0:14:05.360 you know that God seemed to be tugging you toward 0:14:05.360 --> 0:14:07.520 ministry in a Jewish context? 0:14:07.760 --> 0:14:10.440 Actually, it was right here at Moody when I was attending. 0:14:10.679 --> 0:14:14.600 I spoke with Doctor Redlich and I was originally here 0:14:14.600 --> 0:14:19.840 for biblical studies, and after speaking with him in hermeneutics, 0:14:19.840 --> 0:14:24.360 he informed me that if I really wanted to understand Scripture, 0:14:24.360 --> 0:14:27.280 that I needed to understand the Jewish roots of our faith. 0:14:27.560 --> 0:14:31.200 And from that, then I got involved in Jewish studies 0:14:31.600 --> 0:14:34.640 and it just kept going. The ball just kept rolling 0:14:34.640 --> 0:14:35.600 down the hill from there. 0:14:36.040 --> 0:14:38.920 Let's back up a little bit and describe your love 0:14:38.920 --> 0:14:42.310 for climbing and all that's associated with that. 0:14:42.350 --> 0:14:46.750 Well, in my 20s, when I was living, not rightly, 0:14:46.990 --> 0:14:50.030 I would just see rock and decided to climb and 0:14:50.030 --> 0:14:52.870 see what would happen. No gear, no anything. Just, hey, 0:14:52.870 --> 0:14:54.030 let's see what happens. 0:14:54.190 --> 0:14:56.510 Wow. So you knew you had a thing for climbing. 0:14:56.550 --> 0:14:59.110 A love for climbing. Uh. Take us the next step. 0:14:59.110 --> 0:15:00.030 What happened then? 0:15:00.430 --> 0:15:03.710 Then after that, I would say when I attended Moody, 0:15:03.710 --> 0:15:07.110 I got involved with, um, another friend here, and she 0:15:07.110 --> 0:15:11.070 was the one who really introduced me into like, gear exists. 0:15:11.270 --> 0:15:14.470 And I was like, oh, so learning knots, learning how 0:15:14.470 --> 0:15:17.550 to climb, how to do things properly, how to tie in, 0:15:17.710 --> 0:15:21.030 how to belay people. And she kind of helped get 0:15:21.030 --> 0:15:24.510 the ball rolling. And then when I had my internship 0:15:24.670 --> 0:15:28.790 down in Argentina, then my friend down there really took 0:15:28.790 --> 0:15:31.590 it to the next level in forms of imparting all 0:15:31.630 --> 0:15:33.870 of his knowledge to me, and he continues to impart 0:15:33.910 --> 0:15:34.790 knowledge upon me. 0:15:34.790 --> 0:15:36.630 Now, you brought into the studio a couple of your 0:15:36.630 --> 0:15:39.910 climbing tools. You're all pro gear now. You're not just 0:15:39.910 --> 0:15:42.260 without the gear. You're you're doing it right. You're doing 0:15:42.260 --> 0:15:43.900 it safe. What did you bring with us and what 0:15:43.900 --> 0:15:44.820 do these things do? 0:15:45.180 --> 0:15:48.780 So the block that I have here is actually what 0:15:48.780 --> 0:15:51.860 I use on the plane or when I can't hang 0:15:51.860 --> 0:15:55.660 board properly. It's just a device that will give you 0:15:55.700 --> 0:16:01.100 different holds for 20 mil, ten mil using pockets and monos, 0:16:01.100 --> 0:16:02.220 which are one fingers. 0:16:02.580 --> 0:16:05.420 So this is like a strength building exercise thing. 0:16:05.460 --> 0:16:05.980 Yes. 0:16:06.020 --> 0:16:09.020 It's it's a wooden block, maybe six, eight inches long, 0:16:09.060 --> 0:16:11.540 4 or 5in wide with cutouts for you to stick 0:16:11.580 --> 0:16:13.420 your fingers in there and work out. 0:16:13.460 --> 0:16:16.860 Yes. And then the device that is attached to it 0:16:17.020 --> 0:16:19.700 actually runs off of your off of your phone. So 0:16:19.700 --> 0:16:23.140 I can actually see how much force that I'm applying. 0:16:23.340 --> 0:16:25.500 And it helps me to do workouts. So when you 0:16:25.500 --> 0:16:28.060 can't use a proper hang board, then you at least 0:16:28.060 --> 0:16:31.540 can measure by pulling and do what is called like repeaters. 0:16:31.540 --> 0:16:34.580 Were you doing seven seconds on, three seconds off and 0:16:34.740 --> 0:16:36.860 get a at least some type of a workout when 0:16:36.860 --> 0:16:40.170 I can't actually get to the cliffs or to the 0:16:40.170 --> 0:16:41.290 climbing walls here. 0:16:41.290 --> 0:16:44.290 So there's a lot of preparation. There's a lot of training, 0:16:44.330 --> 0:16:46.890 a lot of strength building that goes into this. You 0:16:46.890 --> 0:16:48.890 don't just say, one day, I think I'm going to 0:16:48.890 --> 0:16:51.250 climb this mountain and go do it. You got to 0:16:51.250 --> 0:16:52.290 have some background. 0:16:52.370 --> 0:16:54.210 You can muscle through a lot of things in the beginning, 0:16:54.210 --> 0:16:58.010 but as you progress, you definitely need to understand how 0:16:58.010 --> 0:17:00.810 the body moves and center of mass, center of gravity 0:17:00.810 --> 0:17:01.770 and things like that. 0:17:01.770 --> 0:17:04.570 Stefano is a product of the Moody Bible Institute, a 0:17:04.570 --> 0:17:08.530 mountain climber by heart, by nature, I think. And he's 0:17:08.530 --> 0:17:11.890 taken this love of climbing and taking it with him 0:17:11.890 --> 0:17:14.369 all around the world. Been to Argentina, been to the 0:17:14.369 --> 0:17:16.690 Middle East. Tell us what God has helped you do 0:17:16.690 --> 0:17:17.690 in the Middle East. 0:17:17.970 --> 0:17:21.130 Well, right now I'm attending university in the Middle East, 0:17:21.130 --> 0:17:23.970 and the ministry of the Lord has called me into 0:17:24.010 --> 0:17:28.490 is predominantly climbing. So when I'm not studying or writing 0:17:28.490 --> 0:17:31.649 my thesis right now, then I'm just living at the 0:17:31.650 --> 0:17:35.090 crag basically, and waiting for people to show up. Or 0:17:35.090 --> 0:17:38.000 I'll be training in the bouldering gyms, talking to people 0:17:38.000 --> 0:17:41.479 and just building relationships by, you know, seeing people and 0:17:41.640 --> 0:17:44.000 speaking with them and, oh, you did good. Can you 0:17:44.000 --> 0:17:46.960 modify and try something different and just trying to engage 0:17:46.960 --> 0:17:49.480 in conversation and build relationship that way. 0:17:49.480 --> 0:17:52.639 In this Middle East context, you do regularly bump into 0:17:52.640 --> 0:17:54.960 people of a Jewish background. Is that fair? And what's 0:17:54.960 --> 0:17:56.080 that conversation like. 0:17:56.440 --> 0:17:59.200 When you meet people over there? It's just like any 0:17:59.200 --> 0:18:04.000 other normal conversation that you would have of climbing lingo or, 0:18:04.640 --> 0:18:07.520 you know, did you close this, this project today? Did 0:18:07.520 --> 0:18:10.960 you send that? So it's just like any other conversation 0:18:10.960 --> 0:18:13.720 that you would have. And what I like to do 0:18:13.760 --> 0:18:18.080 in terms of relationship building and in terms of assessing 0:18:18.080 --> 0:18:20.760 and seeing where they might be at, because based on 0:18:20.760 --> 0:18:23.440 where you're at in Israel, some people can be more 0:18:23.640 --> 0:18:26.600 open to the good news and some people maybe a 0:18:26.600 --> 0:18:29.680 little bit more closed. So I like to drop these 0:18:29.680 --> 0:18:35.480 little seeds that are kind of commonplace in Israeli, like 0:18:35.520 --> 0:18:39.430 in Hebrew language. And, you know, as I'm dropping these seeds, 0:18:39.430 --> 0:18:42.030 seeing what they pick up on what they don't, and 0:18:42.070 --> 0:18:45.590 kind of taking the conversation very fluidly as it moves 0:18:45.590 --> 0:18:46.189 from there. 0:18:46.550 --> 0:18:49.510 Stefano is a mountain climber or a climber of walls 0:18:49.510 --> 0:18:52.230 or a climber of anything you've got that can be climbed. 0:18:52.350 --> 0:18:54.109 He's our guest today on the land of the book. 0:18:54.109 --> 0:18:56.390 We're keeping his last name out of things because it 0:18:56.390 --> 0:18:59.909 just isn't necessary. So how do you turn a corner? 0:18:59.910 --> 0:19:02.870 Have you turned a corner? Have you had substantive spiritual 0:19:02.869 --> 0:19:05.070 discussions with any of these people that you climb with? 0:19:05.230 --> 0:19:09.590 Yes, actually, most recently within the past year on the 0:19:10.150 --> 0:19:13.310 on the high Holy days, we do climbing picnics with 0:19:13.310 --> 0:19:17.869 me and a couple of friends, and most recently wasn't 0:19:17.910 --> 0:19:22.389 Shavuot for Pesach for Passover. We had a climbing picnic 0:19:22.670 --> 0:19:26.510 and a friend from university had come with me. I 0:19:26.630 --> 0:19:28.909 was able to share the good news with him. And 0:19:28.910 --> 0:19:31.990 then while he was there, I had four other friends 0:19:31.990 --> 0:19:34.310 who all shared the good news with him. Really on 0:19:34.310 --> 0:19:38.170 separate occasions. And then one of my friends actually took 0:19:38.170 --> 0:19:40.090 him not only to the bus stop, but took him 0:19:40.090 --> 0:19:43.290 really far away to where he was going. And she 0:19:43.290 --> 0:19:46.609 explained about, you know, messianic worship. And he had never 0:19:46.609 --> 0:19:49.690 heard and never knew that the Jewish people could sing 0:19:49.690 --> 0:19:52.330 in such a way. And he was very enthralled by this, really. 0:19:52.369 --> 0:19:55.730 And ever since, he's been asking me questions. And with 0:19:55.770 --> 0:19:59.050 about a few weeks ago, uh, he had called me 0:19:59.050 --> 0:20:01.770 and we had a great discussion about like free will 0:20:01.970 --> 0:20:04.250 and the Lord and how everything kind of works, like 0:20:04.290 --> 0:20:07.609 some really deep theological questions that he was asking as 0:20:07.609 --> 0:20:11.290 he's trying to understand what a relationship with the Lord 0:20:11.290 --> 0:20:12.050 looks like. 0:20:12.690 --> 0:20:16.129 Whether you're abroad or in the United States or in 0:20:16.130 --> 0:20:19.850 the Middle East, do you sense a a spiritual hunger 0:20:19.850 --> 0:20:21.170 on the part of Jewish people? 0:20:21.970 --> 0:20:24.650 I would say it's more along the lines of what 0:20:24.650 --> 0:20:26.850 Paul said, where they have a zeal for God, but 0:20:26.850 --> 0:20:29.609 not according to knowledge, I would say is the most 0:20:29.609 --> 0:20:33.450 apt description from what I've seen, especially when you're getting 0:20:33.560 --> 0:20:38.760 into more of the westernized cities, it's very, uh, very 0:20:38.760 --> 0:20:41.359 secular or people just do it because this is what 0:20:41.359 --> 0:20:44.200 I grew up doing. So that's what what I would 0:20:44.200 --> 0:20:45.240 say about that. 0:20:45.280 --> 0:20:48.440 How effective do you think your passion for mountain climbing, 0:20:48.440 --> 0:20:52.359 your time spent doing this with so many different people? 0:20:52.680 --> 0:20:54.840 How effective is that, do you think? Are you convinced 0:20:54.840 --> 0:20:56.439 that it's still a viable thing? 0:20:56.600 --> 0:21:01.000 Yes. Uh, it's very different having people in the home, 0:21:01.000 --> 0:21:04.440 in their community, in their neighborhood, to where you've always 0:21:04.440 --> 0:21:06.879 got eyes and ears on you. And then when you 0:21:06.880 --> 0:21:09.280 are able to remove people from that and take them 0:21:09.280 --> 0:21:12.320 into climbing into these crags that are some of them 0:21:12.320 --> 0:21:15.320 are pretty secluded and you're just able to be free 0:21:15.320 --> 0:21:18.800 and just have like one on one conversations with them. 0:21:19.080 --> 0:21:22.560 And you really get into some really deep nitty gritty 0:21:22.600 --> 0:21:25.400 that you can't when you're at like a cafe, like a, uh, 0:21:25.680 --> 0:21:28.000 a coffee house or things like that. 0:21:28.400 --> 0:21:30.640 So what are some of the typical objections that you've 0:21:30.640 --> 0:21:33.590 bumped into as you've tried to build bridges or even 0:21:33.590 --> 0:21:34.870 share something of your faith. 0:21:35.670 --> 0:21:39.990 The question of sin, the Shoah, the Holocaust have been 0:21:40.230 --> 0:21:44.750 two questions or two hiccups that I've run into, especially 0:21:44.750 --> 0:21:49.310 with having someone who's had children die and not understanding 0:21:49.470 --> 0:21:53.109 how a good God can allow that to happen. Those 0:21:53.109 --> 0:21:56.990 are about the two biggest objections that I regularly get. 0:21:57.230 --> 0:22:00.670 Yeah. Stefano joins us today on the land in the book. 0:22:00.670 --> 0:22:03.189 He's a guy that loves to climb, and he's sharing 0:22:03.190 --> 0:22:05.950 that love of climbing and his love of Christ with 0:22:05.950 --> 0:22:09.470 people everywhere he goes. He's got quite a passport there 0:22:09.590 --> 0:22:12.189 and lots of stamps in it. His heart is to 0:22:12.230 --> 0:22:15.190 reach Jewish people wherever they might be. How can we 0:22:15.190 --> 0:22:18.230 pray for you? Gio, in the ministry that's ahead for you. 0:22:18.710 --> 0:22:21.670 Well, I would say that the Lord would just continue 0:22:21.670 --> 0:22:26.790 to provide and make his ways clear. I have an 0:22:26.790 --> 0:22:30.940 idea to start a training facility where I'm at About 0:22:31.260 --> 0:22:36.660 that would allow me to train people in climbing and 0:22:36.700 --> 0:22:41.540 also be able to send people because Israelis like to travel. 0:22:41.580 --> 0:22:45.179 So it would be able to connect with other people 0:22:45.180 --> 0:22:50.100 from different, uh, organizations that also do something similar and 0:22:50.140 --> 0:22:52.380 kind of use it as, okay, well, if you're going 0:22:52.420 --> 0:22:55.500 to go to this place, I know someone here who 0:22:55.500 --> 0:22:57.180 will be able to love on you and be able 0:22:57.180 --> 0:22:59.300 to help you and take you climbing, or you can 0:22:59.300 --> 0:23:02.540 go here and just be able to, you know, in 0:23:02.580 --> 0:23:05.659 one facet, have people with training and just kind of 0:23:05.660 --> 0:23:08.500 give them a love for outdoor climbing because there's so 0:23:08.500 --> 0:23:13.340 much really good rock quality and a lot of good 0:23:13.340 --> 0:23:16.060 crags that are where I'm at that a lot of 0:23:16.060 --> 0:23:18.020 people just don't go to because they don't have gear 0:23:18.020 --> 0:23:20.260 or they're not really familiar. So a lot of them 0:23:20.260 --> 0:23:22.780 are just kind of stuck climbing on plastic. And it's 0:23:22.820 --> 0:23:26.100 there's so much more. And especially being able to see 0:23:26.500 --> 0:23:30.210 God's land and be able to see the different rock 0:23:30.250 --> 0:23:33.130 types in such a small country. That's about the size 0:23:33.130 --> 0:23:36.050 of new Jersey. To have so many different types of 0:23:36.050 --> 0:23:39.770 rock quality and in different kind of climates, all within 0:23:39.770 --> 0:23:41.690 such a small place is just amazing. 0:23:42.130 --> 0:23:44.969 If you'd like to learn more about Stefano, ways that 0:23:44.970 --> 0:23:48.090 you can pray for him specifically, we welcome you to 0:23:48.130 --> 0:23:54.210 email us at the land and the book@moody.edu. The land 0:23:54.210 --> 0:23:59.410 and the book@moody.edu. And then we'll point you to Stefano 0:23:59.410 --> 0:24:02.050 and he can connect with you further. Well, I have 0:24:02.050 --> 0:24:04.730 to ask, what are your top two favorite spots to 0:24:04.770 --> 0:24:07.570 climb in Israel? You've climbed all over the world, but 0:24:07.570 --> 0:24:08.450 what about Israel? 0:24:08.490 --> 0:24:11.929 Nezer cave is one of my favorites. It's actually a 0:24:11.930 --> 0:24:14.530 dream crag for me because it is some of the 0:24:14.530 --> 0:24:17.530 hardest climbing in the world that's there. Uh, you have 0:24:17.530 --> 0:24:22.170 different grading system between like five and nine, and the 0:24:22.170 --> 0:24:24.810 nines are exceedingly rare throughout the world. And one of 0:24:24.810 --> 0:24:28.290 them is in Israel, and I'll probably never be able 0:24:28.290 --> 0:24:30.680 to climb that because I'm. I'm way too old for that. 0:24:30.680 --> 0:24:33.480 But there's a lot of like sevens and eights that 0:24:33.480 --> 0:24:37.680 are just very beautiful. They're some really challenging climbing that 0:24:37.680 --> 0:24:39.560 I just would love to be able to climb there. 0:24:39.560 --> 0:24:43.359 I've done a few of the warm ups for, for, 0:24:43.400 --> 0:24:46.400 for the strong climbers that didn't feel like warm ups. 0:24:46.800 --> 0:24:50.160 And other than that, there is also Mikhmas, which is 0:24:50.160 --> 0:24:53.880 where Jonathan and his armor bearer climbed. And that also 0:24:53.880 --> 0:24:58.520 has some really, really good climbing. Not as hard as cave, 0:24:58.560 --> 0:25:01.920 but it definitely has some really strong climbs, and it 0:25:01.920 --> 0:25:05.200 holds a really sentimental place in my heart. For one 0:25:05.200 --> 0:25:06.840 of my favorite stories in scripture. 0:25:06.880 --> 0:25:08.480 Put both of these places on the map for us 0:25:08.480 --> 0:25:10.480 Nezer cave. And then we're Yonatan. 0:25:10.480 --> 0:25:14.359 Jonathan climbed and Nezer Cave is up in the Golan, 0:25:14.720 --> 0:25:17.320 so you can actually throw a rock and hit Lebanon 0:25:17.320 --> 0:25:22.280 from from the cave. Okay. And then Mikhmas is right 0:25:22.280 --> 0:25:28.070 in Judea, Samaria, just north and a little west of, uh, Jerusalem. Yeah. 0:25:28.750 --> 0:25:31.669 Well, Stefano, we just love the fact that you have 0:25:31.710 --> 0:25:35.270 taken this passion that God has given you and have 0:25:35.270 --> 0:25:38.230 used it, and are fired up about doing even more 0:25:38.630 --> 0:25:41.670 to reach Jewish people. Thank you for doing that. And 0:25:41.670 --> 0:25:43.709 our prayers are with you. We want to hear more 0:25:43.710 --> 0:25:44.630 from you too, brother. 0:25:44.869 --> 0:25:45.510 Thank you sir. 0:25:45.910 --> 0:25:47.710 Coming up on the land in the book, your friend 0:25:47.710 --> 0:25:50.109 and mine, Gerald Peterman, taking a look at the latest 0:25:50.109 --> 0:25:52.630 Bible questions that have come to us. We look forward 0:25:52.630 --> 0:26:07.270 to that. Next on the land and the book. Welcome 0:26:07.270 --> 0:26:09.629 back to the land and the book segment three. If 0:26:09.630 --> 0:26:12.590 you're a regular, you know what this is Bible questions 0:26:12.590 --> 0:26:14.750 and answers. And if you're new to the program, you 0:26:14.750 --> 0:26:17.950 know what this segment is about. Bible questions and answers. 0:26:18.109 --> 0:26:21.109 Let me say hello and introduce you to Doctor Gerald Peterman. 0:26:21.109 --> 0:26:24.310 Tell us about yourself, your tenure at Moody, your favorite 0:26:24.310 --> 0:26:25.630 Bible subjects to teach. 0:26:25.670 --> 0:26:29.020 Oh wow. The list is endless. I get to teach 0:26:29.060 --> 0:26:31.540 New Testament Greek. I get to teach Romans the Gospel 0:26:31.540 --> 0:26:35.659 of John. Biblical theology of suffering. It is so good. Uh, 0:26:35.859 --> 0:26:41.619 wonderful students, wonderful colleagues. I've been here since 2002 and wow. Uh, 0:26:41.619 --> 0:26:42.659 having a really good time. 0:26:42.700 --> 0:26:44.820 Yeah. How about your family? A little background there, too. 0:26:45.020 --> 0:26:51.700 Uh, married for 42 years. Have two daughters, two granddaughters. Um, 0:26:52.100 --> 0:26:54.700 we're probably going to have a trip to celebrate here 0:26:54.700 --> 0:26:55.500 pretty soon, so. 0:26:55.540 --> 0:26:58.380 That sounds fun. Well, before we get to questions, let's 0:26:58.380 --> 0:27:01.020 think about this for just a minute. As believers, there's 0:27:01.060 --> 0:27:02.940 a great need for us to share the gospel with 0:27:02.940 --> 0:27:06.500 the Jewish people. In fact, many of our listeners faithfully 0:27:06.500 --> 0:27:09.940 pray and partner with ministries that are doing just that. 0:27:09.940 --> 0:27:13.540 But what if you could personally take part in bringing 0:27:13.540 --> 0:27:16.340 the gospel to Jewish people? Well, our friends at Life 0:27:16.340 --> 0:27:19.980 in Messiah would love the opportunity to get believers involved 0:27:19.980 --> 0:27:24.619 in Jewish ministry, and they regularly organize outreach teams to Brooklyn, 0:27:24.690 --> 0:27:28.490 South Florida, and even to Israel outside of times of conflict. 0:27:28.490 --> 0:27:31.290 And these ministry trips will equip you to understand how 0:27:31.290 --> 0:27:33.889 to share the gospel with Jewish people, give you the 0:27:33.890 --> 0:27:37.410 opportunity to actively share your faith and provide tools and 0:27:37.410 --> 0:27:39.889 resources that you can take home with you. If you 0:27:39.890 --> 0:27:42.810 want to get hands on training, you want practical experience 0:27:42.810 --> 0:27:46.850 in Jewish evangelism, this is your ticket. Learn more by 0:27:46.850 --> 0:27:52.370 visiting Life in messiah.org and clicking on the Moody radio button. 0:27:52.369 --> 0:27:56.810 That's life in messiah.org. All right, let's get to our 0:27:56.810 --> 0:27:59.450 stack of questions today. The first one being from Theo, 0:27:59.850 --> 0:28:02.770 who get this is just seven years old. He says, hi, 0:28:02.850 --> 0:28:06.330 I'm seven years old. I live in Laurel, Nebraska. And 0:28:06.330 --> 0:28:09.930 my question is, can people in heaven see what's happening 0:28:09.930 --> 0:28:10.730 on earth? 0:28:10.730 --> 0:28:14.330 Wow, that is wonderful. I'm so glad to have young 0:28:14.330 --> 0:28:18.930 listeners courageous, wanting to have questions. So I'm a little 0:28:18.970 --> 0:28:21.970 bit unsure about the answer to this question. My opinion 0:28:21.970 --> 0:28:25.390 is we're not going to be like angels who can 0:28:25.390 --> 0:28:28.710 fly around and investigate whatever we want. But I do 0:28:28.710 --> 0:28:31.310 think that when we're in heaven, God will give us 0:28:31.310 --> 0:28:35.109 some insight into what he's continuing to accomplish. Now, why 0:28:35.109 --> 0:28:38.150 do I say that? I say that because of passages 0:28:38.150 --> 0:28:41.910 like Luke 15, verse ten, where our Lord Jesus says, 0:28:42.070 --> 0:28:47.270 the angels in heaven rejoice over one sinner who repents. 0:28:47.470 --> 0:28:50.190 And I suspect there might be times when God lets 0:28:50.190 --> 0:28:52.790 us in on the advance of the gospel, lets us 0:28:52.830 --> 0:28:55.430 see where the gospel is going so that we can 0:28:55.430 --> 0:28:58.870 rejoice with him in the heavenly court in the advance 0:28:58.870 --> 0:29:00.910 of his work. Let me give you another example. This 0:29:00.910 --> 0:29:05.750 is from revelation six. After the fifth seal was opened, 0:29:06.150 --> 0:29:09.510 John said, I saw under the altar the souls of 0:29:09.510 --> 0:29:11.950 those who had been slain for the word of God, 0:29:12.310 --> 0:29:15.469 and for the witness they had borne. They cried out 0:29:15.470 --> 0:29:19.190 with a loud voice, O sovereign Lord, holy and true, 0:29:19.430 --> 0:29:23.780 how long before you will judge and avenge our blood 0:29:23.780 --> 0:29:28.660 on those who dwell on the earth. So these martyrs have. 0:29:28.660 --> 0:29:32.060 What I take it is a godly longing to see 0:29:32.100 --> 0:29:35.460 God's justice, which means they know it hasn't happened yet. 0:29:35.500 --> 0:29:38.020 Yeah, they have an awareness that it has not occurred. 0:29:38.100 --> 0:29:41.060 So I wonder if when we're in heaven, God will 0:29:41.060 --> 0:29:44.020 give us some awareness of what has not happened and 0:29:44.020 --> 0:29:47.860 what he is doing. But what exactly that's going to be. Theo, 0:29:47.900 --> 0:29:49.380 I'm sorry. I do not know. 0:29:49.420 --> 0:29:50.860 Yeah. And on the other hand, I think people take 0:29:50.860 --> 0:29:53.860 it to an extreme. You often hear, you know, people 0:29:53.900 --> 0:29:56.660 sort of wanting to comfort themselves that that grandpa is 0:29:56.660 --> 0:30:00.380 leaning over the clouds and smiling as he sees junior 0:30:00.380 --> 0:30:03.740 fishing at his favorite spot. Maybe not, maybe not. 0:30:03.780 --> 0:30:06.500 I mean, I don't doubt that God can give that 0:30:06.500 --> 0:30:08.900 if he wants, but I don't think he's going to 0:30:08.900 --> 0:30:10.900 give us all that we long for. I think he's 0:30:10.900 --> 0:30:13.180 going to give us just enough to keep us thrilled 0:30:13.420 --> 0:30:14.340 about his work. 0:30:14.380 --> 0:30:15.940 I mean, on the other hand, you know, we could 0:30:15.940 --> 0:30:19.260 say if these are pretty much the only accounts we have. 0:30:19.260 --> 0:30:21.690 And I think that's true. There really isn't a lot 0:30:21.730 --> 0:30:23.970 there about grandpas who are able to lean over the 0:30:23.970 --> 0:30:25.410 clouds and find junior fishing. 0:30:25.450 --> 0:30:27.250 There's very little. Very little indeed. Yes. 0:30:27.770 --> 0:30:29.970 All right, let's go on to Samuel's question. He's wondering 0:30:29.970 --> 0:30:33.290 about Proverbs 29, verse 18. It says, where there is 0:30:33.290 --> 0:30:36.530 no vision, the people perish. What kind of vision do 0:30:36.530 --> 0:30:37.050 we need? 0:30:37.530 --> 0:30:40.570 That is a great question. I have heard a pastor 0:30:40.810 --> 0:30:45.610 sometimes kind of facetiously, kind of tongue in cheek, paraphrased this, 0:30:45.610 --> 0:30:47.770 and he paraphrases it like this where the church has 0:30:47.770 --> 0:30:51.570 no vision, the people leave for another parish. But in 0:30:51.610 --> 0:30:55.570 that case, vision means like a long term plan. In 0:30:55.570 --> 0:31:00.290 Proverbs 29, our term for vision, Hebrew word hazzan. It 0:31:00.290 --> 0:31:04.250 means just the Word of God. It means truth comes 0:31:04.250 --> 0:31:07.410 from God to his people or to his prophet. So 0:31:07.410 --> 0:31:10.130 we go to say Isaiah one one, and what do 0:31:10.130 --> 0:31:13.010 we find? The vision of Isaiah, the son of Amos, 0:31:13.170 --> 0:31:16.210 which he saw concerning Judah and Jerusalem. And then what 0:31:16.210 --> 0:31:18.850 do we have? We have some starry hosts seen on 0:31:18.850 --> 0:31:22.560 the horizon. No, actually, he just points out the sins 0:31:22.560 --> 0:31:24.960 of God's people and what they should be doing in 0:31:25.000 --> 0:31:28.280 terms of repentance. In other words, the vision is the 0:31:28.280 --> 0:31:31.600 Word of God. So without a vision, that is, without 0:31:31.600 --> 0:31:36.680 God's Word, people perish. That is, we must have God's 0:31:36.680 --> 0:31:40.040 Word to live both live eternally and to live well 0:31:40.040 --> 0:31:40.760 in the now. 0:31:41.160 --> 0:31:43.160 You know, I think that's a really important point that 0:31:43.160 --> 0:31:46.120 you just made. So many of us, I think, in 0:31:46.120 --> 0:31:49.360 our immaturity, come at the Bible and say, that's nice. 0:31:49.360 --> 0:31:51.720 It's good that God gave us his special book, and 0:31:51.720 --> 0:31:53.920 I'm a good boy. I'm a good girl for reading it. 0:31:53.920 --> 0:31:58.280 No no, no no no. It is life. And apart 0:31:58.280 --> 0:32:02.719 from time in that word, obedience to that word, meditating 0:32:02.720 --> 0:32:05.160 on that word, our lives are pretty miserable. 0:32:05.320 --> 0:32:09.000 Yeah. Think of it just as an instruction manual for life. 0:32:09.240 --> 0:32:13.440 You know, instruction manual for relationships, instruction manual for where 0:32:13.440 --> 0:32:15.959 should my heart be? What should I be pursuing? I mean, 0:32:15.960 --> 0:32:17.520 if you were going to work as a plumber, I 0:32:17.560 --> 0:32:19.229 wouldn't want to. But if you're going to work as 0:32:19.230 --> 0:32:22.350 a plumber, you had better know your subject. And so 0:32:22.390 --> 0:32:25.150 with Scripture as well, if you're going to live life 0:32:25.150 --> 0:32:27.350 as a believer, you need its instruction. 0:32:27.390 --> 0:32:30.510 Yeah. Let's, let's be done with the optionality of time 0:32:30.510 --> 0:32:32.910 in the word. No, this is the land in the 0:32:32.910 --> 0:32:36.310 book from Moody Radio, our partner in crime, Doctor Gerald 0:32:36.310 --> 0:32:40.190 Peterman of the Moody Bible Institute. Faculty always welcomes your questions. 0:32:40.470 --> 0:32:44.070 You can email them to him at the land and 0:32:44.110 --> 0:32:51.990 the book@moody.edu. The land and the book@moody.edu. From Terry comes 0:32:51.990 --> 0:32:55.270 this question can you shed some light on why John 0:32:55.270 --> 0:33:00.030 the Baptist still has disciples after he pointed people to Jesus? 0:33:00.230 --> 0:33:02.750 It's reference, for example, in Mark two verse 18. 0:33:03.110 --> 0:33:07.030 Well, the short answer to this question is that many 0:33:07.070 --> 0:33:11.910 preferred John's lifestyle. They thought just his personality and his 0:33:11.910 --> 0:33:15.910 lifestyle was more was more compelling. And they thought Jesus's 0:33:15.910 --> 0:33:20.060 life and his discipleship or his lifestyle would just like inappropriate. 0:33:20.100 --> 0:33:23.620 They didn't understand or accept what Jesus was doing compared 0:33:23.620 --> 0:33:27.140 to John the Baptist. I'm thinking about a particular example 0:33:27.140 --> 0:33:31.340 from Luke seven. We find something like this. Jesus tells 0:33:31.340 --> 0:33:33.940 us about different reactions to him and to John. So 0:33:33.940 --> 0:33:37.420 Jesus says, John the Baptist came eating no bread and 0:33:37.420 --> 0:33:40.060 drinking no wine. And you say, he has a demon, 0:33:40.420 --> 0:33:42.180 and the Son of Man has come eating and drinking. 0:33:42.180 --> 0:33:45.660 And you say, look at him, a glutton and a drunkard, 0:33:45.700 --> 0:33:49.140 a friend of tax collectors and sinners. So yes, in 0:33:49.140 --> 0:33:53.140 John chapter one verse 36, John the Baptist points at 0:33:53.140 --> 0:33:56.420 Jesus and he says, look, the Lamb of God who 0:33:56.460 --> 0:33:58.620 takes away the sin of the world. And then what 0:33:58.620 --> 0:34:01.540 does the rest of the verse tell us? Two of 0:34:01.540 --> 0:34:06.140 John's disciples follow Jesus. Not all of them. Two of them. 0:34:06.740 --> 0:34:11.259 So some find Jesus compelling, some do not. I don't 0:34:11.260 --> 0:34:13.860 think we should be surprised. It's the same in the 0:34:13.860 --> 0:34:17.850 21st century. You can have the truth about Jesus told 0:34:17.850 --> 0:34:20.090 to you, and you can find him compelling by the 0:34:20.090 --> 0:34:22.649 work of God's Spirit. Or you might not find him 0:34:22.650 --> 0:34:24.850 compelling by the hardness of your own heart. 0:34:25.210 --> 0:34:27.410 I want to stay with this figure. John the Baptist 0:34:27.410 --> 0:34:30.410 for just a moment. I'm intrigued. If you read this account, 0:34:30.690 --> 0:34:34.009 what you learn is that on two consecutive days, we 0:34:34.050 --> 0:34:36.969 find John the Baptist saying, Behold the Lamb of God 0:34:36.969 --> 0:34:39.370 who takes away. Right? You get the idea. This was 0:34:39.370 --> 0:34:41.850 not a one and done thing for him. This was 0:34:41.850 --> 0:34:44.970 his mission. He got it. He loved it. He lived it. 0:34:45.010 --> 0:34:48.290 Yes, yes. And it's and it's in John's Gospel, right? 0:34:48.330 --> 0:34:50.089 He says, behold the Lamb of God who takes away 0:34:50.090 --> 0:34:52.049 the sin of the world. But you read Matthew, Mark, 0:34:52.050 --> 0:34:55.210 and Luke, and he is pointing to the one who 0:34:55.210 --> 0:34:59.250 comes after him. So he's always pointing away. Yeah. And 0:34:59.250 --> 0:35:02.090 then you get in, John as well. You get when 0:35:02.090 --> 0:35:06.170 many disciples go after Jesus. What does John say? That's okay. Yeah. 0:35:06.210 --> 0:35:09.250 He must increase, I must decrease. 0:35:09.250 --> 0:35:13.650 You gotta love his humility, his laser focus on his calling. 0:35:13.690 --> 0:35:15.750 He knows what his mission is for sure. 0:35:15.790 --> 0:35:18.670 One other thing that has always sort of been abrupt 0:35:18.670 --> 0:35:22.270 for me, and he's imprisoned by Herod, and there he is. 0:35:22.310 --> 0:35:24.830 And he gets his head chopped off. It's kind of 0:35:24.830 --> 0:35:27.030 like a part of me says on a human level. 0:35:27.070 --> 0:35:28.790 Wait a minute, wait a minute. Here's this guy who's 0:35:28.790 --> 0:35:33.109 been faithful to his calling. He's faithfully drawn people to Jesus. 0:35:33.230 --> 0:35:35.469 He's humble. He says, behold the Lamb of God who 0:35:35.510 --> 0:35:37.469 takes away the sins of the world. And yet he 0:35:37.510 --> 0:35:41.509 still ends up getting his head chopped off. Well, clearly, 0:35:41.510 --> 0:35:44.790 my my view of what should happen to folks who 0:35:44.790 --> 0:35:47.629 are faithful is different than God's. Talk to me for 0:35:47.630 --> 0:35:48.430 just a minute. 0:35:48.550 --> 0:35:51.190 That is a tough question. That is a tough question 0:35:51.190 --> 0:35:55.670 because much of our life, we view our life as 0:35:55.830 --> 0:35:57.029 work and reward. 0:35:57.070 --> 0:35:57.430 Yes. 0:35:57.469 --> 0:36:00.310 And from a kind of a human perspective, I do this. 0:36:00.310 --> 0:36:02.870 I get that right. I work hard at my job. 0:36:02.870 --> 0:36:04.790 I get a raise. I work hard at home. I 0:36:04.790 --> 0:36:08.750 get praise from my kids or my spouse. I'm sorry. Um, 0:36:08.750 --> 0:36:11.150 this is one of the really tough things about discipleship. 0:36:11.150 --> 0:36:13.940 We don't get to decide which is which. We work 0:36:14.300 --> 0:36:18.219 and we love and we study and we persevere through trial. 0:36:18.540 --> 0:36:22.299 And sometimes God blesses us in ways we'd expect, and 0:36:22.300 --> 0:36:25.540 sometimes he rewards us in ways we do not expect. 0:36:25.980 --> 0:36:27.300 And it's hard. Wow. 0:36:27.780 --> 0:36:30.340 Hey, email your question to us at the land and 0:36:30.340 --> 0:36:34.540 the book@moody.edu and stick around for a devotional from the 0:36:34.540 --> 0:36:37.379 one and only doctor Charlie Dyer. Its next coming up 0:36:37.380 --> 0:36:53.259 on the land and the book from Moody Radio. It 0:36:53.260 --> 0:36:55.860 has to be one of the most fascinating stops in 0:36:55.860 --> 0:36:59.660 any tour to Israel. I'm talking about Beit She'an. It's 0:36:59.660 --> 0:37:01.779 the drive down the Jordan Valley that takes you to 0:37:01.820 --> 0:37:05.140 the place where something rather horrible took place. But as 0:37:05.140 --> 0:37:08.620 you explore its ruins today, wow, what a view, particularly 0:37:08.620 --> 0:37:10.900 if you do as producer Dan Anderson and I have 0:37:10.900 --> 0:37:13.170 done several times. Hike up to the top of the 0:37:13.170 --> 0:37:16.210 hill and look down. Well, all of that and more 0:37:16.250 --> 0:37:19.209 in Charlie Dyer's devotional coming up. But first, let's pause 0:37:19.250 --> 0:37:21.170 for this Holy Land experience. 0:37:25.450 --> 0:37:28.330 So one of the most impactful moments of my time 0:37:28.330 --> 0:37:32.930 in Israel was standing on top of Masada, and I 0:37:32.930 --> 0:37:37.930 was amazed at how Masada was such a provision by 0:37:37.930 --> 0:37:41.169 the Lord for people like David, who was running from 0:37:41.170 --> 0:37:46.370 his enemies. And God provided a place of security and 0:37:46.370 --> 0:37:51.729 safety in the midst of danger and fear. And I 0:37:51.730 --> 0:37:55.969 just will never forget how suddenly Psalm 18 came to 0:37:56.010 --> 0:38:00.290 mind when David talks about the Lord is my rock, 0:38:00.330 --> 0:38:06.130 my fortress, my deliverer. I can picture David envisioning Masada 0:38:06.170 --> 0:38:10.839 as how God provided for him and gave him security 0:38:10.840 --> 0:38:14.399 and safety while he was being pursued by his enemies. 0:38:14.880 --> 0:38:18.600 And Masada has continued throughout history to be a source 0:38:18.600 --> 0:38:24.359 of safety and security for the Jewish people and seeing 0:38:24.480 --> 0:38:29.000 where that history took place. When I see Masada, I 0:38:29.000 --> 0:38:32.040 see how God provided in those times. 0:38:34.440 --> 0:38:37.280 Charlie, I love Beit She'an and I know you do too. 0:38:37.400 --> 0:38:40.080 But we're not here for the mere history of it. 0:38:40.120 --> 0:38:41.880 You've got a life lesson for us, too. 0:38:42.120 --> 0:38:44.520 Oh, yeah. In fact, one of the most tragic and 0:38:44.560 --> 0:38:48.040 yet significant life lessons comes from that spot. And actually, 0:38:48.040 --> 0:38:50.000 for the next several weeks, I want you to join 0:38:50.000 --> 0:38:52.640 me as we drive down the Jordan Valley from the 0:38:52.680 --> 0:38:54.960 Sea of Galilee toward the Dead Sea. Now, for those 0:38:54.960 --> 0:38:57.680 who have never been to Israel, the Jordan River seems 0:38:57.680 --> 0:39:00.280 to be something of a mystery. The empire of ancient 0:39:00.280 --> 0:39:03.640 Egypt flourished along the Nile River. Egypt was the gift 0:39:03.640 --> 0:39:07.000 of the Nile and the civilizations of Assyria and Babylon 0:39:07.000 --> 0:39:10.350 grew up along the banks of the Tigris and Euphrates rivers, 0:39:10.510 --> 0:39:14.670 but relatively few towns can be found near the Jordan River. Well, 0:39:14.670 --> 0:39:17.350 now that we're here driving down the Jordan Valley, what 0:39:17.350 --> 0:39:20.150 doesn't make sense on a map will make perfect sense 0:39:20.150 --> 0:39:22.950 to our eyes. The first thing you'll notice are the 0:39:22.950 --> 0:39:25.910 mountains on both sides of the valley. The Jordan Valley 0:39:25.910 --> 0:39:28.830 is a geological fault line, part of the Great Rift 0:39:28.830 --> 0:39:32.509 that extends from Turkey down into Africa. The hills on 0:39:32.510 --> 0:39:35.830 both sides are relatively steep, and here, just south of 0:39:35.830 --> 0:39:39.230 the Sea of Galilee, covered in brown grass. In about 0:39:39.230 --> 0:39:42.510 two months the winter rains will begin and these brown 0:39:42.510 --> 0:39:46.350 hillsides will turn green. These hills provide excellent grazing for 0:39:46.350 --> 0:39:49.469 cattle and sheep, but they're too rugged and steep for 0:39:49.469 --> 0:39:53.270 growing crops. Now look toward your left, down into the 0:39:53.270 --> 0:39:55.990 bottom of the valley. Do you see the rugged, tan 0:39:56.030 --> 0:39:59.589 colored hills bracketing each side of the river bottom? The 0:39:59.590 --> 0:40:02.629 Jordan River meanders its way through that half mile to 0:40:02.670 --> 0:40:06.350 mile wide stretch of ground between those hills. The distance 0:40:06.350 --> 0:40:08.540 between the Sea of Galilee and the Dead Sea is 0:40:08.540 --> 0:40:11.940 just over 65 miles. But because of all the twists 0:40:11.940 --> 0:40:14.580 and turns, the actual length of the Jordan River is 0:40:14.620 --> 0:40:18.819 135 miles more than double the distance. The Sea of 0:40:18.820 --> 0:40:22.060 Galilee is about 680ft below sea level, and the Dead 0:40:22.100 --> 0:40:26.739 Sea is over 1400ft below sea level. The heat and humidity, 0:40:26.739 --> 0:40:30.140 along with all the vegetation growing along its banks, makes 0:40:30.140 --> 0:40:33.140 the Jordan River feel more like a jungle than like 0:40:33.140 --> 0:40:36.060 those other river systems in the Middle East. In fact, 0:40:36.100 --> 0:40:39.540 God described the area as the thickets by the Jordan 0:40:39.540 --> 0:40:44.420 in Jeremiah 125, no doubt picturing the thick, tangled vegetation 0:40:44.420 --> 0:40:47.660 growing there. Most of the time, this valley was a hindrance, 0:40:47.660 --> 0:40:50.540 not a help to those living in the land. People 0:40:50.540 --> 0:40:53.460 tried to avoid the Jordan River, with the exception of 0:40:53.460 --> 0:40:57.100 three major spots where the river could be forded or crossed. 0:40:57.100 --> 0:40:59.460 And it's those three spots we want to visit on 0:40:59.460 --> 0:41:03.300 our multi-week journey. And we reached the first stopping point 0:41:03.300 --> 0:41:06.580 the ancient city of Beit She'an, 15 miles south of 0:41:06.580 --> 0:41:09.970 the Sea of Galilee for most visitors to Israel. Beit 0:41:09.969 --> 0:41:13.290 She'an is an amazing surprise. Ruins of a Roman city 0:41:13.290 --> 0:41:18.050 destroyed by an earthquake defy description. A large theater, gymnasium 0:41:18.050 --> 0:41:23.170 and bathhouse, colonnaded streets and even public restrooms give visitors 0:41:23.210 --> 0:41:26.770 a portal into what life was like in the Roman Empire. 0:41:27.210 --> 0:41:30.969 Beit She'an importance came from its location. The city straddled 0:41:30.969 --> 0:41:35.170 a major east west highway extending from the Mediterranean through 0:41:35.170 --> 0:41:38.370 the Jezreel Valley and across the Jordan River into the 0:41:38.370 --> 0:41:41.690 mountains of Gilead. This was the northernmost of the three 0:41:41.690 --> 0:41:44.450 spots where the Jordan River could be forded, and it 0:41:44.450 --> 0:41:48.370 provided a connection between the international highway that crossed through 0:41:48.370 --> 0:41:51.890 the Jezreel Valley and the King's Highway that stretched south 0:41:51.890 --> 0:41:55.850 from Damascus to the Red sea, cutting through Gilead. But 0:41:55.850 --> 0:41:58.129 as we stand here in the theater, I don't want 0:41:58.130 --> 0:42:00.330 us to focus on the Roman ruins at Beit She'an, 0:42:00.330 --> 0:42:04.730 at least not right now, or the highway that passed nearby. Instead, 0:42:04.730 --> 0:42:06.799 I want you to look at the hill just in 0:42:06.800 --> 0:42:09.759 front of us. That's the spot where the original city 0:42:09.760 --> 0:42:12.719 of Beit She'an once stood. And that hill is a 0:42:12.719 --> 0:42:17.000 sad monument to the failure of Saul. Israel's first king. 0:42:17.480 --> 0:42:19.920 To study the life of Saul is to uncover the 0:42:19.920 --> 0:42:23.400 tragedy of a king who never lived up to his potential. 0:42:23.840 --> 0:42:28.040 Saul was chosen by God, anointed by Samuel, and empowered 0:42:28.040 --> 0:42:31.319 by the Holy Spirit. He started well, but a series 0:42:31.320 --> 0:42:36.040 of personal failures led to his catastrophic downfall. Saul's problems 0:42:36.040 --> 0:42:39.640 began with incomplete obedience. He was told to wait in 0:42:39.640 --> 0:42:43.600 Gilgal seven days for Samuel to arrive and offer a sacrifice. 0:42:43.960 --> 0:42:48.959 Saul waited six days and 23 hours almost the whole time, 0:42:48.960 --> 0:42:53.000 but not quite. God ordered Saul to destroy the Amalekites, 0:42:53.239 --> 0:42:57.040 and he wiped out most of them. But not quite. All, though, 0:42:57.040 --> 0:43:01.279 seemed like minor imperfections, small flaws that most would overlook, 0:43:01.640 --> 0:43:03.920 but not if the one doing the inspecting is the 0:43:03.960 --> 0:43:08.060 God of the universe. God describes Saul's incomplete obedience as 0:43:08.060 --> 0:43:14.100 rebellion and insubordination. Saul's inability to fully obey God ultimately 0:43:14.100 --> 0:43:17.940 cost him his kingdom and his life. God was no 0:43:17.940 --> 0:43:22.219 longer with him, and Saul's forces suffered a catastrophic defeat 0:43:22.260 --> 0:43:25.340 on Mount Gilboa, just a few miles from where we're 0:43:25.340 --> 0:43:28.899 now standing. When the battle was over, the Philistines had 0:43:28.900 --> 0:43:32.860 defeated Saul's army and driven a wedge into Israel, splitting 0:43:32.860 --> 0:43:36.500 the country in two. They controlled the Jezreel Valley all 0:43:36.500 --> 0:43:39.380 the way to the Jordan River. And as for Saul, 0:43:39.620 --> 0:43:42.460 when the Philistines came the next day to strip the slain, 0:43:42.700 --> 0:43:45.819 they found Saul and his three sons fallen on Mount Gilboa, 0:43:46.180 --> 0:43:48.580 and they cut off his head and stripped off his weapons, 0:43:48.580 --> 0:43:51.259 and sent them throughout the land of the Philistines to 0:43:51.300 --> 0:43:53.820 carry the good news to the house of their idols 0:43:53.820 --> 0:43:56.219 and to the people. And they put his weapons in 0:43:56.219 --> 0:43:59.419 the temple of Ashteroth. And they fastened his body to 0:43:59.460 --> 0:44:02.859 the wall of Beit She'an. That hill right in front 0:44:02.969 --> 0:44:07.330 of you became the Philistines Trophy case. The headless body 0:44:07.330 --> 0:44:10.650 of Saul, along with the bodies of his sons, dangled 0:44:10.650 --> 0:44:13.410 from the walls in the hot sun, the stench of 0:44:13.410 --> 0:44:17.730 rotting flesh filling the air. Saul started well, but he 0:44:17.730 --> 0:44:21.049 never mastered the truth that God expects his followers to 0:44:21.090 --> 0:44:26.930 obey completely. And the consequences for disobedience are too tragic 0:44:26.930 --> 0:44:30.930 to even consider as an option. Our first stop on 0:44:30.930 --> 0:44:34.770 this journey down the Jordan is a sobering reminder that 0:44:34.770 --> 0:44:40.489 disobedience brings consequences. Saul offered excuses, but in the end, 0:44:40.489 --> 0:44:46.210 his so-called little mistakes resulted in catastrophic personal failure. So 0:44:46.210 --> 0:44:48.609 what should we take away from our time here at 0:44:48.610 --> 0:44:52.930 Beit She'an, along the Jordan River? How about this? The 0:44:52.930 --> 0:44:57.690 world might excuse failure and try to minimize consequences for mistakes, 0:44:57.969 --> 0:45:01.960 but God expects his followers to live by a higher standard. 0:45:02.400 --> 0:45:05.600 The choice in front of us every single day is 0:45:05.600 --> 0:45:11.200 faithfulness or failure, and the consequences for both are huge. 0:45:11.920 --> 0:45:14.480 Boy, those are sobering words and a great reminder that 0:45:14.480 --> 0:45:17.759 every single one of us needs. I do thank you, Charlie. Well, 0:45:17.800 --> 0:45:20.040 you know, our website is loaded up with stuff to 0:45:20.080 --> 0:45:22.600 help you connect better with this broadcast, whether it's a 0:45:22.640 --> 0:45:25.120 guest that you'd like to learn a bit more about 0:45:25.120 --> 0:45:27.160 a resource or two books that Charlie and I have 0:45:27.160 --> 0:45:31.359 written information about past programs, future programs, you'll find it 0:45:31.360 --> 0:45:35.960 all at the land and the book.org, the land and 0:45:35.960 --> 0:45:39.400 the book.org. I want to talk for a moment about 0:45:39.400 --> 0:45:42.960 our podcast, Charlie, because so many people don't live anywhere 0:45:42.960 --> 0:45:46.720 near a radio station that carries the program. And maybe 0:45:46.719 --> 0:45:49.520 you do listen via the radio. Great for you. 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But this is 0:46:19.110 --> 0:46:21.710 their opportunity to hear the program. That's what they can 0:46:21.710 --> 0:46:22.630 share with their friends. 0:46:22.670 --> 0:46:25.550 Okay. And you find that podcast at the land and 0:46:25.590 --> 0:46:30.790 the book dot ORG the land and the book dot ORG. 0:46:31.350 --> 0:46:33.790 One final reminder, if you've got a Bible question that's 0:46:33.790 --> 0:46:37.270 been tugging at you, it's been keeping you up at night, 0:46:37.310 --> 0:46:39.870 why not email that to us at the land and 0:46:39.910 --> 0:46:48.069 the book@moody.edu, the land and the book@moody.edu. Our time is gone, 0:46:48.070 --> 0:46:50.509 but great hanging out with you today. The land in 0:46:50.510 --> 0:46:53.270 the book is a production of Moody Radio, the Ministry 0:46:53.270 --> 0:46:54.910 of Moody Bible Institute.