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S2: Here are some of the news headlines we're watching.
S3: The conference was over. The over. The president, one of the.
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S5: Over the weekend.
S1: Hi, friends. Welcome to In the Market with Janet Parshall.
S1: Thank you so much for joining us. Okay. Get that
S1: thinking cap out of the box. Put it on because
S1: we're going to think critically and biblically this hour. Those
S1: are not mutually exclusive postures for a follower of Yeshua.
S1: They are both and and I have to tell you something.
S1: I you know, I thought once we saw what happened
S1: in Germany and in the central part of Europe during
S1: World War two, that the clarion cry never again would
S1: be it. Exclamation point, end of discussion. Never again would
S1: we sit idly by when we saw anti-Semitism raise its ugly.
S1: It might be so bold. Demonic head. And yet we
S1: are seeing it now at an unprecedented rate. There are
S1: so many things that replicate exactly what happened in the
S1: 1930s in Germany, as an example. And the church, the
S1: followers of Yeshua, cannot and must not sit idly by.
S1: There is no gray on this. There is no ambiguity.
S1: There is no opt in, opt out clause. You follow
S1: a Jewish Messiah. For whatever reason, God chose the Jewish people.
S1: My husband and I were just having this conversation again
S1: this past weekend. God, in his infinite and sovereign wisdom,
S1: could have chose the picks the Celts, the Normans, the Saxons.
S1: He chose the Jews. He came to earth as a
S1: man and a Jew. So I don't care what you think,
S1: number one, your first principle has to be why did
S1: God choose the Jewish people? There's something distinct and separate.
S1: He chose in human history to reveal his unconditional love
S1: for mankind through a Jewish Messiah. So why are we
S1: seeing a rise of anti-Semitism again? And now we've got
S1: this terrible conversation going on about eschatology. And somehow between
S1: Malachi and Matthew, God changes his mind and the nation
S1: of Israel is replaced by the church. And it's causing
S1: some really heated conversations within the parameters of the church
S1: capital C universal. But I'm a Y person. Typical for
S1: a firstborn. It's a burden we all carry. Why? Why
S1: are we seeing anti-Semitism rising like never before? That's going
S1: to be our focus this hour. And all of this
S1: is going to emanate from a book that is going
S1: to be released, not, paradoxically, on October 7th. That's the
S1: anniversary of what happened October 7th, 2023. It was done
S1: with pointed purpose, and I'm so glad it's called anti-Semitism
S1: in the End Times, how the rise of the world's
S1: oldest hatred is paving the way for Messiah's return. If
S1: somewhere out of all of this beauty can rise and
S1: we need to be paying attention. Our teacher this hour
S1: is Olivier Melnick. He got his master's from Dallas Theological Seminary.
S1: He's the founder and executive director of Shalom in Messiah Ministries.
S1: He is the son of Holocaust survivors from France. Olivier
S1: is an international speaker. He is an authority on the
S1: topic of anti-Semitism, and he's written seven books. He advocates
S1: against anti-Semitism in any and all its forms, and Shalom
S1: in Messiah educates people and mobilizes Christians to fight the
S1: hate while building bridges with the Jewish people. Olivier, you
S1: could not be joining us at a better, more prescient time.
S1: Thank you. God bless you with the ministry that you've got.
S1: And I'm so glad that you're here. Tell me a
S1: background for people who don't know Shalom and Messiah Ministries.
S1: You're talking to a national audience. This will be their
S1: first exposure for some. Talk to me about the ministry.
S1: When did it start? What do you do?
S6: Well, Janet, thank you for having me on the show.
S6: First of all, uh, and, uh, before I started Shalom
S6: and Messiah, I was truly called by God to do it.
S6: I was, uh, a regional director with Chosen People Ministries
S6: for 27 years. And I know you've had Doctor Glazer
S6: on your show and other people. And so I've been
S6: I was with the mission for 27 years. And then
S6: the Lord called me to specifically focus my efforts on
S6: what I'm doing right now to, like you just said,
S6: equip Christians to understand anti-Semitism and use it in a
S6: way that it can help rebuild bridges between Christians and Jews.
S6: And also, an aspect of what we're doing is to
S6: equip Christians. And it's going to sound crazy to some people,
S6: but equip Christians to be ready to mobilize them, to
S6: reach out to help Jewish community right now. So so
S6: that when it gets worse for the Jews, they'll be
S6: ready to not be a bystander, but they will be
S6: the new Righteous Among the Nations for the 21st century.
S1: So that's what we're doing. Amen and amen. By the way,
S1: I'd be remiss if I didn't say one for the
S1: home team. Olivier is a graduate of Moody Bible Institute.
S1: He graduated in 2001, so I want to point that
S1: out as well. So Olivier, I love to hear the stories.
S1: Before we get into your very important topic. Talk to
S1: me about how you came to faith in Yeshua.
S6: Okay, well, first of all, I got to tell you,
S6: I was looking on the page today, the whatever web
S6: page where your program is listed. And it made me
S6: laugh because on the bio that you guys wrote, I
S6: would be 95 years old. And. It says that my
S6: grandfather was was killed in Auschwitz when I was 15.
S6: So make it 1945 at the latest that, you know,
S6: we're in 25. So I would be 95 years old today.
S6: And I'm 65, so mazel tov.
S7: Let me let me set the record straight because I
S7: thought this was funny. I had to get a kick
S7: out of that. So I was born and raised.
S6: In France in 1959. Parents are Holocaust survivors and, uh,
S6: both Jewish and, um, I basically did not believe in anything.
S6: My my dad was an atheist. My mother lost her
S6: faith when her dad was taken from her when she
S6: was 15. That's her. That's my grandfather. That's my my
S6: maternal grandfather. He was taken to Auschwitz and died within
S6: a week of being taken from, uh, from the suburb
S6: of Paris in 1942, summer of 1942. And, uh, so
S6: she lost her faith. And by the way, for the
S6: that maybe for another time. But both my parents came
S6: to the Lord before they passed. I led them to
S6: the Lord a few years ago. So this this part
S6: for them for 28 years. So, uh, I was in France.
S6: I didn't believe in anything, I didn't care. And then
S6: I met an American gentile, uh, who ended up challenging
S6: me when I wanted to marry her. And she said,
S6: you know, your Messiah is Jewish. Your Bible is Jewish.
S6: Get a clue. Uh, and so she gave me a Bible.
S6: I looked at it, and eventually that Bible led to
S6: me reading the late Great Planet Earth by Hal Lindsey. Um,
S6: and that is what did it for me. I got really,
S6: really scared out of my socks when I got to
S6: the rapture and, uh, and, uh, so I said, listen,
S6: this is kind of a nonsense thing where you're going
S6: to disappear. And that was like in 1983. Um, and
S6: she said, no, it's not nonsense. I don't have all
S6: the details, but we're going to be gone and you're
S6: going to be left here. And that's exactly why I
S6: can't marry you unless you believe like I do. One
S6: thing led to another. I gave my life to the
S6: Lord July of 1983.
S1: Wow. Amen. And the rest, as they say, is history. Oh, Olivia,
S1: I'm so glad you're here. And I'm so glad we're
S1: going to spend this hour together. And I'm so glad
S1: we're going to talk about anti-Semitism and its linkage to
S1: the end times, which is a fascinating conversation. Olivia melnick
S1: is with us again. He is the founder and executive
S1: director of Shalom in Messiah Ministries. More after this. Have
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S1: in the market, call eight 7758. That's eight 7758 or
S1: go to in the market with Janet Parshall. We have
S1: the privilege and I deem it as such, to spend
S1: the hour with Olivier Melnick, who's the president and executive
S1: director of Shalom in Messiah. That is a nonprofit organization
S1: that exists to expose and fight anti-Semitism, as well as
S1: equip you and me and mobilize us so we can
S1: help the Jewish people discover that Yeshua is, in fact,
S1: the long anticipated Messiah. And I noted out earlier that
S1: Olivier attended Moody Bible Institute. Let me just give a
S1: shout out to the Jewish Studies program. I am so
S1: thankful that is a part of Moody Bible Institute. You know,
S1: a lot of Christian schools think maybe that isn't so
S1: necessary anymore. We wouldn't have somebody like Olivier, and we
S1: wouldn't have somebody like Doctor Michael Redlich. And as as
S1: our friend Mitch Glazer has told us on many occasion
S1: how many people graduated from Moody that are working for
S1: Chosen People Ministries as well. So I'm so very, very
S1: grateful for that part of Moody Bible Institute. Olivier, by
S1: the way, has a new book coming out. You can
S1: pre-order it now. It's called antisemitism in the End Times
S1: How the Rise of the World's Oldest Hatred is paving
S1: the way for Messiah's Return. I love that part of
S1: the subtitle, Olivier, because it is the world's oldest hatred.
S1: I want to start where your book start, which is
S1: so that we're all on the same page. How do
S1: you define how should we define anti-Semitism?
S6: Well, Janet, I am so happy. I'm so pleased that
S6: you used the word demonic in your introduction, because that
S6: is one of the two key words I use in
S6: my own definition that goes like this Antisemitism is the
S6: irrational and satanic or demonic, irrational and satanic hatred of
S6: the Jews and Israel, characterized by thoughts, words and or
S6: deeds against them.
S1: Perfectly defined, perfectly defined. And it is a spiritual war.
S1: So let me linger on that point, because I want
S1: people listening to understand why you can't just look at
S1: the events at Columbia University or what took place on
S1: October 7th, 2023. Why, at its core, is this a
S1: spiritual issue, do you think?
S7: Well, if you if.
S6: You look at the Bible and I approach the Bible,
S6: you know, being a moody grad and a DTS grad
S6: and my approach to the Bible is dispensationalist and so
S6: I'm pre-milled pre-trib, like a friend of mine says, I
S6: don't even eat cereal to be safe.
S7: So. So but I.
S6: Look at the the end times and I find out
S6: that Stating from the very, very first messianic prophecy found
S6: in Genesis 315, the seed of the woman and the
S6: seed of the serpent. Satan has a hatred of the Jews,
S6: and Satan knows the Bible very well, and when he
S6: looks at the entire council of God, he is not omniscient,
S6: but he knows his Bible. He knows that at some
S6: point in the future, the the Jewish people are going
S6: to go through with a bunch of people through the tribulation.
S6: Some will survive, some will not. Those who survive will
S6: call on Yeshua, will say, Baruch Hashem Adonai. Blessed is
S6: he who comes in the name of the Lord, and
S6: that will usher in the second coming of the Messiah.
S6: When that happens, Satan is out of a job and
S6: he does not like his retirement plan.
S7: He doesn't want to go there.
S1: That's exactly right.
S6: So he's going to do everything he can to stop
S6: it from happening or to postpone it. That's exactly what
S6: he does. And right now, I can tell you, when
S6: you look at the events in the world, he's running
S6: on fumes. He knows it and he's doing. He's pulling
S6: everything he can to go after the Jews.
S7: And that's what we are witnessing.
S6: And it is irrational. Janet, because where else do you
S6: see the liberal left and radical Islam disagree ideologically on everything,
S6: except that they.
S7: Would.
S6: All hints.
S7: When it goes.
S6: After the Jews?
S1: Yes, yes, yes. And you know, I you know, I
S1: love world history and I love studying about people groups.
S1: And so you look at history and you think, for
S1: the Jews, if it's not Pharaoh, then it's Herod. If
S1: it's not Herod, it's Hitler. If it's not Hitler, it's
S1: the Spanish Inquisition. Now, I understand that there have been
S1: problems with different people groups throughout the beginning of time,
S1: but there's just something about the Jews. Even when Jews
S1: were being freed out of the camps in the Holocaust.
S1: And they come. Britain won't take them in, the United
S1: States won't take them. And they're literally stuck on a
S1: ship and they can't even get back. To which we'll
S1: thank you. God become their homeland. The Jewish state of Israel.
S1: So you just see this constant, constant attack. I know
S1: it seems sophomoric, but it seems that at some base level,
S1: Satan must think that if he can wipe out the Jews.
S1: He's eradicated what he wants to promulgate as the mythology
S1: of a Jewish Messiah. It makes no other sense otherwise.
S6: Yeah, well, he tried that the first coming. He tried
S6: to corrupt the human race with in Genesis six. He
S6: tried different things and it didn't work. And he's going
S6: to try to, to to stop the second coming from happening. Uh,
S6: and it's just, you know, when you mentioned that, you know,
S6: you never thought that you would we would see such
S6: a level of hatred against the Jews. I mean, I
S6: come from a family of Holocaust survivors. I heard the
S6: stories of our family. And, you know, my mother told
S6: me stories, and my dad told me stories in France.
S6: And I'm thinking like, yeah, it's never going to get
S6: that bad. Well, in 2000, when I started looking into this,
S6: I was I was finishing my undergrad. I started telling people,
S6: it's going to get bad for the Jews. And people
S6: look at me and they said, like, Olivier, you're overreacting. Well,
S6: 25 years later, I'm having a not and I'm not
S6: enjoying this, but I'm having this I told you so moment.
S6: I wish I was wrong, but I've been seeing this
S6: for 25 years and we haven't seen the worst of it.
S6: And it's not the tribulation. I don't believe we'll go
S6: through it. It's right now. It's going to get a
S6: lot worse for the Jewish people, because no matter what happens,
S6: they're going to be at fault in the eyes of
S6: the world.
S1: Absolutely, absolutely. And you see that, I mean, now. So
S1: step away from the Bible. I always tell my friends,
S1: walk through life with the Bible in one hand, the
S1: newspaper in the other. Now you look at the headlines
S1: of the day. I'm a Jewish student at Columbia University.
S1: I can't get to my class. I can't wear a
S1: Star of David. I can't give any outward appearances of
S1: my identification and my person as being a Jew. If
S1: that isn't a deja vu all over again and what
S1: we saw in Germany, I don't know what is. And
S1: so what bothers me the most is those in authority,
S1: those who should know better, the college presidents, the people
S1: in authority for governmental offices who turn a blind eye
S1: and a deaf ear. Well, I think that's their own
S1: particular corrupted worldview. It has to. Likewise. Do you not
S1: agree be a kind of spiritual blindness?
S6: There is. it is a spiritual blindness. And it is, uh,
S6: it is the enemy. It's Satan is using whoever he
S6: can right now. You're looking at somebody like. And I,
S6: you know, maybe we don't want to get on that topic,
S6: but you're looking at somebody like Candace Owens and Candace Owens. Uh,
S6: you know, I used to look at this young, young
S6: conservative woman. I'm like, wow, here's the voice of the future.
S6: She's it's exciting. And I'm, you know, I'm it's hopeful
S6: that we have young people like her. And she turned,
S6: she completely turned. And she has become so toxic against
S6: the Jews. And so now we've got Satan will use anybody,
S6: even smart people, to use them against the Jews.
S1: Absolutely. And I couldn't agree with your assessment more, Olivier.
S1: It is a fabulous book. It comes out later this year.
S1: You can preorder it now. This topic is today. It
S1: is timely. It needs to be addressed now. anti-Semitism in
S1: the End Times. The subtitle of Olivier's new books is
S1: How the Rise of the World's oldest hatred is paving
S1: the way for Messiah's return. If there's anything in that
S1: darkness that's positive, it is that Jesus is coming again.
S1: His return is imminent. Look around you. All the signs
S1: are there. More with Olivier Melnick right after this. Such
S1: an important conversation. And we followers of Jesus must get
S1: this right. Olivier Melnick is with us. He's the founder
S1: and executive director of Shalom in Messiah Ministries. I love
S1: the work that they do, and he's got a new
S1: book coming out called anti-Semitism in the End Times. And
S1: this is important for us to understand why we're seeing
S1: what we're seeing and how this is indicative of the
S1: fact that Jesus is coming. And more than anything else,
S1: our God declared he's not willing that any should perish.
S1: And that includes the Jewish people. So I'm so glad
S1: we're having this conversation. Okay, I want to get a
S1: history lesson here because I smile when I hear this
S1: because of the ignorance, the palpable ignorance. Most of the
S1: people who show up at these events waving their Palestinian
S1: flags and chanting from the river to the sea. Couldn't
S1: tell you what river and don't know what sea. And oh,
S1: by the way, they pocket about 200 bucks every time
S1: they show up. So when they're chanting these things, I
S1: think to myself, you don't even know what the history
S1: is here. Now, you write about this in the book,
S1: which I'm very glad. And you take us all the
S1: way back to an uprising that took took place in
S1: 132 A.D.. That's a good place for us to start.
S1: What happened.
S6: When? 32 to 135 A.D., a revolt against the Romans and, uh, the, uh,
S6: Emperor Hadrian wanted to humiliate the Jewish people, and he thought, okay, uh,
S6: beyond doing what we did and killing the people and
S6: torturing and then stealing and doing whatever we did, taking control,
S6: we are going to change the name of Jerusalem, uh,
S6: with the word Capitolina, and we're going to change the
S6: word of Israel to the word Palestina. Uh, and, uh,
S6: that was at the time just to take any vestige of, of,
S6: of Jewish heritage, any, anything Jewish, just to humiliate the
S6: Jewish people. Uh, it stuck and and and people started
S6: to use the word Palestine to describe a piece of
S6: land that we know today as Eretz Israel, the land
S6: of Israel. Uh, and it was not a big issue. Uh, Janet,
S6: I mean, nobody cared. It was the wrong word, but
S6: nobody cared until 1948 or slightly after that. Uh, because
S6: it was always describing a land, a piece of land
S6: where Palestinian Arabs and Palestinian Jews lived together on that
S6: piece of land. And then, uh, in the early 60s,
S6: come this man, Yasser Arafat, who is about as Palestinian
S6: as you and I. He was born in Egypt. Uh, and, uh,
S6: he comes in and he's put on the stage and
S6: he starts pushing the agenda of a displaced people, of colonization,
S6: of occupation. And at first a lot of people looked
S6: at him going like, this is not going to stick.
S6: This is crazy. We don't believe. But it took, what, 50,
S6: 60 years? And now nobody's questioning it. And now we
S6: have a, by the way, the modern Palestinian flag. Janet,
S6: I wish I wish this was a video thing that
S6: you could I could show you something because the modern
S6: Palestinian flag pretty much is the Jordanian flag, minus that
S6: little white star in the triangle on the left. It's
S6: exactly the same color, the same design. I have a dictionary.
S6: A French dictionary, uh, from 1939. It's the Petit Larousse.
S6: It's the dictionary that to this day is published every year.
S6: And so it's been published for almost 300 years now.
S6: And the 1939 version, you open it on the the
S6: page with the flags on the left. You have Germany,
S6: which has a swastika on a red square with a
S6: white circle. That's the Nazi regime, 1939. That makes sense.
S6: On the right you have the flag of Palestine, which
S6: has a white square, a blue square, and a yellow
S6: star of David in the middle.
S1: Mm. Wow. Unbelievable.
S6: People don't.
S8: Know. People don't know that they go like.
S6: What is this? Is there a mistake? No. Because back then, 1939,
S6: nine years before 48, Palestine was a piece of land.
S6: It became politically charged, as it is today, even more so.
S6: But before that, the word state. I wish it, you know,
S6: even in the Bible commentaries, you know, a lot of
S6: people talk about in ancient Palestine and the word stayed
S6: and people used it, and then it got used to
S6: create a people that does not exist to create a
S6: there are basically there's no Palestinian language, Palestinian culture, Palestinian customs,
S6: Palestinian food. It's Arabs. Nothing wrong with that. But they
S6: are not Palestinians. They are Arabs that were from the
S6: neighboring country all around Israel.
S1: Exactly right. And you mentioned Jordan. You know, if there
S1: ever were such a thing as a two state solution,
S1: that won't happen because the presupposition is both parties want peace.
S1: The PLO does not, by the way. So you look
S1: at Jordan, 85%. Quote unquote Palestinians. The Hashemite minority makes
S1: up about 15%. So it's interesting because Jordan says, thanks. No, thanks.
S1: We don't want anybody from Gaza. Egypt puts up wall says,
S1: no thanks. We don't want anybody from Gaza. So why
S1: won't these Arab nations, if they're all Arabs? And you're
S1: absolutely right. Why aren't they welcoming in the Palestinians?
S6: Yeah, they don't want, but they well, first of all,
S6: they don't want anybody from from Gaza because they don't
S6: want the trouble that they would get if they get
S6: people from Hamas, they know they know what they get,
S6: you know, what would happen. But they insist on not
S6: taking these people back, because keeping the people in the, uh,
S6: you know, in the within the boundaries of, of Eretz Israel,
S6: the land of Israel is serving their agenda of of
S6: pushing the the idea of occupation and Colonization and stolen land.
S6: If they take the people back then, then they can't.
S6: They don't have. They have nothing to talk about.
S1: That's exactly right. By the way, that language from the
S1: river to the sea. I've pointed this out. It doesn't
S1: make any difference whether it was the Wye Plantation, Oslo,
S1: all of the Rose garden ops handshake in front of
S1: a president. Every single time that they try to move
S1: toward a two state solution, the directive is always that
S1: the PLO has to remove the language from their charter
S1: from the river to the sea, which calls for the
S1: annihilation of the Jews genocide. By the way, if anybody
S1: is accused of genocide. Trust me, it's not Israel. But
S1: that language to this day still remains. Which is why
S1: the use of that chant in the events that we're
S1: seeing on college campuses across the country is not by accident.
S1: And this is a spiritual war. I find this conversation
S1: extremely important and absolutely for people who are going to
S1: be thinking at a 400 level spiritually, this is not
S1: your entry level Sunday school class. You need to understand
S1: that this is a big issue spiritually and that anti-Semitism
S1: isn't happening by accident that if you put it in
S1: the big picture, all of this shouldn't come as a surprise,
S1: particularly when you look forward with joyous anticipation of the
S1: return of Jesus, the Messiah. anti-Semitism in the End Times.
S1: New book by Lily Melnick. It's called how anti-Semitism in
S1: the anti. The subtitle says how the rise of the
S1: world's oldest hatred is paving the way for Messiah's return.
S1: I've got a link on my website so you can preorder.
S1: I also have a link to Shalom and Messiah. Com
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S1: in full disclosure, I can already tell you that Olivier
S1: Melnick is going to have to come back again. There's
S1: just too much in this book for us to get
S1: out in one hour. And that's a good thing, because
S1: I think this is a conversation that bears repeating. If
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S1: Put in today's date and our conversation with Olivier Melnick,
S1: who is the founder and executive director of Shalom in
S1: Messiah Ministries. He is the son and grandson of Holocaust
S1: survivors from France. He's an international speaker and authority on
S1: the topic of anti-Semitism. The author of multiple books, he
S1: advocates against anti-Semitism in all its forms, and his ministry
S1: seeks to educate and mobilize Christians to fight the hate
S1: while building bridges with the Jewish people. His new book,
S1: which is going to be released later this year but
S1: you can now pre-order it, is called anti-Semitism in the
S1: End times. How the rise of the world's oldest hatred
S1: is paving the way for Messiah's return. So there's this
S1: wonderful section in the book where you really do a timeline,
S1: going from the Church Fathers all the way to the Holocaust,
S1: and former forward that talks about anti-Semitism. And I think
S1: that's extremely important for people who don't know world history
S1: and exactly what the Jews have had to go through
S1: and how anti-Semitism has manifested itself in millennia. And then
S1: you move to a section which I found fascinating, called
S1: the New and More Dangerous Age of anti-Semitism. And you
S1: use a phrase that I found intriguing called eschatological anti-Semitism.
S1: So let me, before we get into this, ask a question,
S1: which is, and I don't think I'm the only believer
S1: in Jesus who had the same thought. Why, after the
S1: atrocity that was committed on October 7th, 2023, when you
S1: would have thought that the sensitivities and sympathies of the
S1: world would have said, you don't put babies in ovens,
S1: you don't butcher children, you don't kill mothers who are
S1: holding babies in their arms. The list goes on and
S1: on and on. The word atrocity doesn't come close to
S1: describing what you saw on that date. By the way,
S1: for the record, I was invited by the Israeli embassy
S1: to see the 43 unedited minutes of footage. I said no,
S1: because you can't unsee what you've already seen. I knew
S1: enough to know that it was, and I'll use the
S1: word again demonic. I didn't need to see it again.
S1: But after that event, Olivier, anti-Semitism didn't go down. It
S1: went up. Why?
S9: Uh, I think, uh, you know, I.
S6: I think it went up because we are in that
S6: time of our history where, uh, and that's the case.
S6: I'm trying to, uh, to, to to, uh, make in
S6: the book we are in the end times. We are in, uh,
S6: you know, I don't like to to do too much
S6: or any at all, uh, what's called newspaper exegesis. So
S6: I don't like to, to try to fit, uh, you know, uh, the.
S6: I'm very careful when I look at prophecy, but when
S6: I look at a prophecy, like for instance, people right
S6: now are talking right and left all all over the
S6: place about are we in Ezekiel 38, Gog and Magog? Well,
S6: it's Gog and Magog is going to happen. It's a
S6: real war. It will happen. But but we can speculate
S6: all we want. It's not going to get us any
S6: closer to it by speculating. But I can tell you
S6: right now that Zechariah 12 three is is happening in
S6: real time, in front of our eyes as we speak.
S6: The whole world is going to go against Jerusalem, against
S6: the Jewish people. In Zechariah 12 three is clearly happening
S6: right now. It says in the Bible, and if I can,
S6: if I can read that verse, uh, but it will
S6: be in that day that I will make Jerusalem a
S6: heavy stone for that for all the peoples All heated
S6: up will be severely injured, and all the nations of
S6: the earth will be gathered against it. This is a
S6: time where everybody in the world is going to go
S6: against Jerusalem. Everybody. Now, that doesn't mean everybody like you
S6: and me and all included, but all the nations will
S6: be represented. They will not be one, one safe place,
S6: maybe to the exception of, of course, Israel. Uh, and
S6: so we are in that time right now where we're
S6: seeing there's no other explanation, Janet, uh, for for what's
S6: happening 2 or 3 days after October 7th, 2023, then
S6: to look at this and say, we are now in
S6: the in in the active time of fulfillment of Zechariah
S6: 12 three.
S1: Wow. I appreciate what you said about Ezekiel, and you
S1: and I share exactly the same timeline for eschatology. So
S1: I so appreciate everything that you just said. So when
S1: we talk about this rise in anti-Semitism is hand in
S1: glove with the anticipated return of Jesus before you and
S1: I are taken up. First Thessalonians, How is that going? What?
S1: And we don't want to put in. It's. I don't
S1: want eisegesis. I want solid exegesis. What does the word
S1: tell us in terms of what we should be looking
S1: for specifically about the Jewish people before Jesus has returned?
S1: Zechariah 12 three is certainly one of the passages we
S1: have to look at.
S6: Well, another passage you can look at is, um, uh,
S6: Ezekiel 36. Ezekiel 36 tells us about the return, and
S6: that's another I would venture to say, the two, the
S6: two prophecies that I can, you know, take to the
S6: bank right now is Zechariah, Zechariah 12 three, um, which,
S6: by the way, Zechariah 12 three, you need to read
S6: the rest of Zechariah 12, because Zechariah 12 nine, God
S6: tells us he will go after all the nations that
S6: go after Jerusalem, so no stone left unturned. God will
S6: punish all those who go against the Jews. That's the
S6: the two bookends of Zechariah 12. If you if you will.
S6: But in, in Ezekiel 36. 76. In. In the latter
S6: part of the of the chapter, right before the the
S6: division of the dry bones, we read that God is
S6: saying to the Jewish people, I will take you from
S6: the nations, gather you from all the lands, and bring
S6: you into your own land. Then I will sprinkle clean
S6: water on you. So what we see here is we
S6: see God saying, hey, I put you in a diaspora
S6: from 78 years. The destruction of the temple in Jerusalem
S6: to today, you've been you've been dispersed all over the
S6: world in the diaspora. I will take you back from
S6: the diaspora and bring you back into the land. Which
S6: land has not France? That's not America. It's Israel. And,
S6: you know, and, uh, and so we know that right
S6: now where we can see is the return of the
S6: Jewish people in unbelief, and that we're seeing it. We've
S6: seen a lot of it from the country that I
S6: was born in the country I'm from France. Um, they
S6: lost about 50,000, about 10% of their Jews over the
S6: last 15 or 16 years. And and Janet, here's a
S6: here's a question that I'm not even sure I have
S6: an answer for you, but it's a question that I'm
S6: asked often. Do you think that anti-Semitism is a reason
S6: why the Jews are going back to Israel? Is God
S6: behind that? Well, God is not the author of anti-Semitism,
S6: but as God and His Bible at times allowed for
S6: things to happen to the Jews that would force them
S6: into making a decision for him. The answer is yes. So,
S6: you know, it's part it's part of the equation. It's
S6: a hard one for me because we know God did
S6: not cause the Holocaust, but he allowed it to happen
S6: in his in his, uh, divine wisdom. He allowed for
S6: the Holocaust to happen. And so he's allowing this anti-Semitism
S6: to happen right now. And it's really, uh, in many ways,
S6: pushing Jews back to the land.
S1: Yeah, yeah. I think there's such wisdom in what you
S1: just said. So let me go back to 48. So
S1: is there any question in your mind? She asks, knowing
S1: it's at the core, a rhetorical question, but is there
S1: any question in your mind that 1948, when Israel was
S1: declared the Jewish state, that that was the fulfillment of prophecy?
S6: No. There's no. Well, I have a slightly different approach
S6: on this, because some people and I don't know if
S6: this is you as well. Some people say, can a
S6: nation can a nation be born in one day? And
S6: then they look at this and they go, this is
S6: a fulfillment that took place in 1948. I think the
S6: verse that says, can a nation be more than one
S6: day is going to be the saving of the Jews
S6: at the end of the tribulation? That's what it's referring to. 1948,
S6: to me, is a prerequisite for prophecy being fulfilled. Israel
S6: has to exist for all those prophecies to be fulfilled.
S6: So I don't think anywhere in the Bible you can
S6: find a definite verse where you can be dogmatic about
S6: 1948 being prophesied, but it's a prerequisite. That's my position
S6: on it.
S1: And I heartily concur. So now let me ask another question,
S1: because this is a debate we're hearing in the church
S1: writ large recently, and I want there to be gracious
S1: conversation here. So come, let us reason together. So you
S1: quoted Zechariah. You quoted Ezekiel. You talked about the precursor
S1: in the fulfillment of prophecy of Israel in 1948. But
S1: that really begs the question, is there anything that you
S1: and I could take away from Scripture that says, somehow
S1: between Malachi and Matthew, Israel, the nation is no longer Israel,
S1: the nation in the New Testament. It now is the
S1: church capital C universal. And when you talk about being
S1: grafted on, you tear away the non-believing Jews. You graft
S1: on the believing Gentiles. That's what we're talking about. That
S1: tree represents the church. That's not the nation of Israel.
S1: That's what some are saying. What do you say?
S6: This what you just described, Janet is known in many
S6: circles as replacement theology. And, uh, it's, uh. Okay, let
S6: me let me let me be, uh, mild about it.
S6: It's from the pit of hell.
S8: Let me be subtle and mild about it. Um.
S6: Replacement theology is a false theology that you, uh, you
S6: just explained very well that says that the Jews had
S6: their chance. They they rejected Jesus as the Messiah. So
S6: now God is turning to the Gentiles, the Gentiles. And
S6: you say, you know what? You're the new Israel now. And, uh,
S6: you first of all, there's about 70 plus, uh, 72, 73. Uh,
S6: it depends on what version you look 70 some occurrence
S6: of the word Israel in the New Testament. You would
S6: have to do theological gymnastics to make them mean the church.
S6: They just don't. They just don't. And, uh, the the
S6: problem I have with, with the church replacing Israel is
S6: that if the church replaces Israel, then basically what we
S6: are saying is that the promises that God made are not.
S6: It didn't really make promises that you're going to keep,
S6: and maybe we can pick up on that when we
S6: come back, because that's important. We need to finish that one.
S1: Oh, two peas in a pod. Olivier, I'm so glad
S1: you said that, because that is huge. This isn't just
S1: about replacement theology. This is questioning at its core, the
S1: character of God. Does he not keep his promises? Is
S1: he not a promise keeping God? So I'm so glad
S1: we're going to return to this. This is why I say, Olivier,
S1: count on it. I need to talk to you many
S1: more times than just today. The brand new book that
S1: is coming out is extremely important for you to read.
S1: You can preorder it anti-Semitism in the End Times. Have
S1: a link on my information page so you can do
S1: just that. More with Olivier Melnick, President and executive director
S1: of Shalom and Messiah right after this. We're visiting with
S1: Olivier Melnick, who's the president and executive director of Shalom
S1: in Messiah. It's a nonprofit organization that exists to expose
S1: and fight anti-Semitism, as well as equip and mobilize Christians
S1: to lead the Jewish people to Messiah. Amen and Amen
S1: to that. He has a new book. He's a prolific author,
S1: but he's got a new book coming out that you
S1: can preorder right now called antisemitism in the End Times
S1: How the Rise of the World's Oldest Hatred is Paving
S1: the way for Messiah's Return. I also have a link
S1: to his ministry Shalom, Shalom in Messiah. Com and we've
S1: gotten to a very key and crucial point in our
S1: conversation that must be addressed with grace, always seasoned with salt.
S1: But this idea that's being promulgated that somehow between Malachi
S1: and Matthew, God changes his mind and all of the
S1: promises he makes about the nation of Israel and the
S1: Jewish people are somehow replaced in the New Testament, and
S1: it no longer means the nation of Israel or the
S1: Jewish people. It means the church capital C universal. And this.
S1: You touched on this, Olivia, just before the break. And
S1: I think it's profound, and it really is the linchpin
S1: in this entire conversation. The implication here is that God
S1: doesn't keep his promises. It's questioning the character of God.
S1: Talk to me about this.
S6: Well, that would mean yes. That would mean that he
S6: is both a covenant breaker and a liar. Because God
S6: made eight covenants with mankind, five of them were made
S6: with Israel out of the eight, and the other three
S6: were with with mankind in general. The five he made
S6: with Israel, four of them are unconditional and eternal. Unconditional
S6: means simply that he will do what he says he
S6: will do, regardless of Israel's performance or obedience. And that's
S6: really important because we, the Jews, have disobeyed God multiple times,
S6: and it's all in the Bible. But God said, when
S6: it comes to the Abrahamic covenant, you know, Genesis 12,
S6: Genesis 15 he said, I will bless you. I will
S6: give you land, I will. And it's based not on
S6: our performance but on his character. And so, so God
S6: is not going to break his promise. And the question
S6: I have, the challenge I have for your audience is
S6: that if God is going to change his position. He's
S6: going to break his promise and say, hey, you know what?
S6: I'm done with the Jews. It's all to the Gentiles.
S6: Now then, maybe salvation through through faith and the salvation
S6: that we have, maybe it's not that secure. Maybe we
S6: can lose our salvation because maybe God will change his
S6: mind on how we can get to him.
S1: Exactly.
S6: So, so, and I want to read a quick verse
S6: in first Corinthians, which is, uh, this is where I
S6: like to start. When I talk to people that believe
S6: the church has replaced Israel, it's in the context of, uh,
S6: in the context of, of of food not to be eaten.
S6: It's first Corinthians 1031, whether then you eat or drink
S6: or whatever you do, do all to the glory of God.
S6: Give no offense and listen to those groups. Give no
S6: offense either to Jews or to Greeks or to the
S6: Church of God. Wait a minute. If the Jew, if
S6: the Greeks have replaced the Jews, then what? Do we
S6: have three groups in there because the church is made
S6: of Jews, Gentiles who have accepted Yeshua as the Messiah,
S6: who died for their sins. And once they get into
S6: the body, they remain Jews and Gentiles. But they are redeemed,
S6: they are saved, and they don't lose their ethnic background.
S1: Yeah, exactly. What about the faults? And this is very simplistic,
S1: but let me ask it this way. What about the
S1: people who think that one of the reasons that it
S1: is the church is because the Jews have, quote, turned
S1: their back on Jesus. I'm looking at the track record
S1: for the Gentiles thinking we got some problems in that
S1: area as well.
S6: My goodness, if turning your back on Jesus was to
S6: get you forgotten and replaced by another people group, God
S6: would change things all the time.
S10: Yes, people turn.
S6: Their back on Jesus. Even believers turn their back on
S6: Jesus on a regular basis.
S10: That's cool.
S6: It's called backsliding. So, so. But, but going back to
S6: the covenants. The covenants are the foundation of the Bible.
S6: The covenants are unconditional and eternal. You will not change
S6: his mind. God is not human, that he would change
S6: his mind. That's. I'm quoting a verse. I can't remember
S6: the address now, but God is not a man that
S6: he would change his mind.
S10: Yes. And he's.
S6: Promised. He's promised he would also never, never forsake Israel.
S6: There's so much more we can talk about. Janet, I'm
S6: so glad you want me to come back, because we
S6: have a lot more to talk about.
S1: Oh, a ton, a ton. And I, I have to
S1: tell you, I think this is one of the most
S1: important issues before the church right now, because I'm, I'm
S1: grieved when I see anti-Semitism being espoused by people who
S1: have made a profession of faith in Jesus Christ. To me,
S1: I don't know how water and oil can coexist. That
S1: that makes absolutely no sense to me. And I want
S1: to understand that. But then also, I'm very interested in
S1: making sure that my Jewish friends come to know Yeshua
S1: as Messiah. I pray for that regularly. I'm so glad
S1: Craig and I love and support ministries that are working
S1: in Israel to do exactly this right now. On that note,
S1: from your vantage point and you know what Chosen People
S1: is doing, you know about the work that you do
S1: through Shalom and Messiah. Is there a stirring in the
S1: midst of this anti-Semitism, do you sense a stirring among
S1: the Jewish people?
S6: Yes. I have been going to Israel. I've been there
S6: twice since the war for ministry purposes. And I'm supposed
S6: to go in August again if we can go. And
S6: we have been going there to bring supplies to the
S6: IDF to work with them. And I could tell you
S6: all kinds of stories another time. But you can see
S6: in the eyes of the people, I just got a
S6: video of thank yous today. They look at you and
S6: they go like, what are you doing here? What are
S6: you bringing? And it gives us opportunities to say, this
S6: is what we do because of what the Bible tells us.
S6: And there is a yes, there is an opening because
S6: there is no hope without Yeshua. And people see that
S6: we are, you know, people that are really putting their
S6: money where their mouth is. They're real. They're in Israel,
S6: they're making a difference. And I'm not saying that you
S6: can only make a difference if you go to Israel
S6: and help, but but you have to do something. We
S6: have at this point in our history, Christians have to
S6: put skin in the game.
S10: Because we.
S6: Don't know how much time we have left. And, uh,
S6: and there was so much I wanted to share with
S6: you about, uh, about this, um, how we at Gentleman
S6: Masai are equipping Christians to actually open their homes to
S6: become the new Righteous Among the Nations. We have to
S6: do another show just on that.
S1: Oh, I would love to be able to do something
S1: like that. Let me share with you. I talked to
S1: a friend who has a ministry that works in the
S1: Middle East, and he shared how there were some in
S1: Israel Orthodox Jews, if you can believe this, Olivier, Orthodox
S1: Jews who went to him and said, please share about Jesus.
S1: Because when the Muslims come to know Jesus, we end
S1: up having peace. So this is the idea that they're
S1: being wooed, they're seeing something different. If we can look
S1: at this rightly, because he's not willing that any should perish.
S1: And by the way, if you're reading the Bible, if
S1: you're going through life with the newspaper in one hand
S1: and the Bible in the other, you know that even
S1: in eschatology, the Jews play a significant role. So Jewish
S1: people are not going away anytime soon. So we need
S1: to understand this so that we can defend, we can protect,
S1: we can share the good news. We can fight anti-Semitism,
S1: while also introducing Yeshua as the much anticipated, long hoped
S1: for Messiah of the Jewish people. Olivier. The book is fabulous.
S1: I'm lucky I got a chance to read it ahead
S1: of time, so I hope my friends can catch my
S1: enthusiasm for this book. Like I said, it doesn't come
S1: out until October 7th of 2025. Not by accident. I
S1: brilliant move on your part, Olivier, to have it come
S1: out on the two year anniversary of that massacre. But
S1: you can pre-order it now and you can get it.
S1: I've got a link for you to be able to
S1: do that. And now, for many of you, this is
S1: your first exposure to Shalom and Messiah Ministries. I hope
S1: it's not your last. And Olivier, I'm going to tell you,
S1: my A is like the Bible says, I'm keeping my. Yay!
S1: I'm calling you back soon because I felt like we
S1: just did a thimbles worth of an ocean full of
S1: information in this book. It is tremendous. And praise God
S1: for the work that you're doing. May your tribe increase.
S1: Thank you, friends, so much for joining us. We'll see
S1: you next time on In the Market with Janet Parshall.