WEBVTT - Bedrock Truths of Discipleship 0:00:00.440 --> 0:00:04.360 Coming to you from the Morning Star Mission sponsored studio. 0:00:04.720 --> 0:00:08.080 This is Carl and crew on Moody Radio. 0:00:09.000 --> 0:00:12.360 Carl and crew helping you take your next step with Jesus. 0:00:12.360 --> 0:00:14.480 And we're so grateful that you're with us here today. 0:00:14.640 --> 0:00:19.480 We've got a whole week committed to bedrock rock solid truths. 0:00:19.920 --> 0:00:23.160 And the truth is, we could do this for a 0:00:23.160 --> 0:00:25.920 month of Sundays. This could go on and on, but 0:00:25.920 --> 0:00:28.200 we're trying to anchor some of these things with some 0:00:28.200 --> 0:00:32.040 of our frequent flyer guests. That'll really put your teeth 0:00:32.040 --> 0:00:36.360 into something. And there's guests that we bring in who 0:00:36.360 --> 0:00:40.560 are in the mix in their specialty, the way really, 0:00:40.560 --> 0:00:43.239 they're calling what God's called them into. And it's a 0:00:43.240 --> 0:00:46.800 beautiful thing when it comes to salvation of young people. 0:00:47.400 --> 0:00:51.520 I think there's a lot of presumption that maybe we 0:00:51.520 --> 0:00:54.040 can never really know how to do that, and so 0:00:54.040 --> 0:00:58.200 we need to outsource it. We get the young guys, right? Sure. 0:00:58.320 --> 0:01:01.220 I mean, that can be I think I think that's 0:01:01.220 --> 0:01:04.180 one of the greatest misses going. I think the gospel 0:01:04.380 --> 0:01:07.940 is way more relevant than we give it credit for. Now, 0:01:07.940 --> 0:01:09.700 that's a little bit tongue in cheek because we all 0:01:09.700 --> 0:01:12.860 know that, right? Right. But I think there's a tendency 0:01:12.860 --> 0:01:15.940 to think if we're going to reach young people, we 0:01:15.940 --> 0:01:18.300 better outsource this to young people. 0:01:18.580 --> 0:01:19.180 Yeah, I get that. 0:01:19.180 --> 0:01:21.820 But isn't there more than that? I think back to 0:01:21.860 --> 0:01:24.740 my buddy that was genuinely born again when I was 0:01:24.740 --> 0:01:28.380 in youth group at Sand Lake Baptist Church in Anchorage, Alaska. 0:01:28.860 --> 0:01:36.260 Mark Donner, who Mark was quite a guy. I mean, 0:01:36.660 --> 0:01:39.540 looking back, I'm like, wow, Mark, you put up with 0:01:39.540 --> 0:01:43.420 a lot with me. And he was my buddy. But 0:01:43.420 --> 0:01:48.020 I saw him live so righteously and so differently. And 0:01:48.020 --> 0:01:50.220 there were a few kids that lived that way. Most 0:01:50.220 --> 0:01:53.700 of us had this great hallucination of salvation that were 0:01:53.700 --> 0:01:55.620 in that youth group. And I know that because we 0:01:55.620 --> 0:01:57.860 go back now, years later and we find out, wow, 0:01:57.900 --> 0:01:59.770 a lot of these kids are walking with God, but 0:01:59.770 --> 0:02:02.570 they didn't really get surrendered to Christ until they really 0:02:02.570 --> 0:02:04.730 rubbed their nose in the world and they got the 0:02:04.730 --> 0:02:08.530 full dose of what their life was like. Religiosity did 0:02:08.530 --> 0:02:11.050 not save them. And that's one of the things that 0:02:11.050 --> 0:02:13.929 we constantly wrestle with here. In fact, next week we're 0:02:13.930 --> 0:02:16.890 going to tackle this one. Uh, there's a there's a 0:02:16.889 --> 0:02:19.490 great myth flying around out there. It's a big one. 0:02:19.530 --> 0:02:21.010 How does it go, Ali? 0:02:21.050 --> 0:02:22.370 I've been a Christian my whole life. 0:02:22.410 --> 0:02:25.489 I've been a Christian my whole life. That that's. We're 0:02:25.490 --> 0:02:29.489 going to debunk that one day next week. Because that's. 0:02:29.490 --> 0:02:32.010 It's impossible. You're born with your back to God. You're 0:02:32.010 --> 0:02:34.690 born as an enemy of the cross of Christ. And 0:02:34.690 --> 0:02:37.370 then the question is, how are we going to reach 0:02:37.370 --> 0:02:40.290 kids and what are we bringing them into? Are we 0:02:40.290 --> 0:02:43.810 bringing them into a culture or into a living, breathing 0:02:43.810 --> 0:02:46.850 relationship with the Son of God? Those are two totally 0:02:46.850 --> 0:02:47.369 different things. 0:02:47.370 --> 0:02:50.130 Very much so. And with you're looking at Gen Z, 0:02:50.290 --> 0:02:53.890 you're going to hear a few very few Gen Zers say, 0:02:53.889 --> 0:02:56.250 I've been a Christian my whole life. That is not 0:02:56.250 --> 0:02:59.510 the norm for Gen Z when you just look at 0:02:59.510 --> 0:03:01.990 their world, the prevailing worldview. 0:03:02.030 --> 0:03:06.429 Boom. And maybe that's the secret sauce. Maybe the beautiful 0:03:06.430 --> 0:03:10.549 thing with Gen Z and even some late stage millennials, 0:03:10.790 --> 0:03:15.430 is that a kind of post-Christian here? We don't have 0:03:15.430 --> 0:03:19.790 to feign that we've always been saved because we haven't. 0:03:20.310 --> 0:03:22.790 And so maybe that baseline is one of the kickers here. 0:03:22.790 --> 0:03:24.669 Coming up in a moment. Man, I love this guy. 0:03:24.710 --> 0:03:27.910 R-york more is being used so powerfully. The Lord. Some 0:03:27.910 --> 0:03:31.190 of the stats of the reach that he has through 0:03:31.190 --> 0:03:34.670 social media are going to blow your mind. And what 0:03:34.669 --> 0:03:37.510 we want to pin down with York is get after 0:03:37.510 --> 0:03:42.790 these three bedrock truths for evangelizing the next generation. I'm 0:03:42.790 --> 0:03:45.190 flying blind here. I don't know what York's going to say, 0:03:45.550 --> 0:03:47.230 but I can't wait. You guys ready? 0:03:47.230 --> 0:03:47.710 Ready. 0:03:47.750 --> 0:03:49.910 Coming up. Three minutes. Are York more? How are we 0:03:49.950 --> 0:03:54.150 going to evangelize young people? And are any of these 0:03:54.150 --> 0:03:58.260 principles transferable to lost boomers who think they know Jesus 0:03:58.260 --> 0:04:00.460 but don't. Let's get after it. Hang on. 0:04:01.540 --> 0:04:05.260 Your spiritual pit stop to keep you going in the race. 0:04:05.420 --> 0:04:07.660 You're listening to Carl and crew. 0:04:08.100 --> 0:04:11.900 We've got great data points that prove that this generation 0:04:11.900 --> 0:04:16.659 Gen Z boy, God is doing something. And especially with 0:04:16.660 --> 0:04:19.460 the young men. At least that's what we're hearing. Our 0:04:19.500 --> 0:04:21.500 York more. Are we missing it, or is God doing 0:04:21.500 --> 0:04:22.859 something out there, my man? 0:04:23.180 --> 0:04:25.340 Absolutely. God is on the move, and he is alive 0:04:25.339 --> 0:04:28.020 and well on our college campuses. And with Gen Z. 0:04:28.060 --> 0:04:33.739 Our York Moore, speaker, revivalist and a president, CEO and 0:04:33.740 --> 0:04:38.220 national evangelist of the coalition for Christian Outreach. That's a 0:04:38.260 --> 0:04:40.900 lot of lot of stuff there, York. Boil it down. 0:04:40.900 --> 0:04:42.580 What do you do? What's your passion? 0:04:42.779 --> 0:04:45.940 Well, the coalition for Christian Outreach, we partner with local 0:04:45.940 --> 0:04:49.420 churches to reach college campuses with the gospel. We've been 0:04:49.420 --> 0:04:51.700 around for 50 years, but the Lord has called us 0:04:51.700 --> 0:04:54.900 to grow nationally. So I'm leading a national growth story 0:04:54.900 --> 0:04:58.120 over here. We're now working in about 16 states with 0:04:58.160 --> 0:05:01.120 a few hundred churches. And our model, you know, taking 0:05:01.120 --> 0:05:04.640 college students to church is part of what we do. 0:05:04.640 --> 0:05:06.800 So we don't just go to the campus, we take 0:05:06.800 --> 0:05:09.599 the church to the campus. But we're seeing young people 0:05:09.600 --> 0:05:12.200 come to faith in this generation, and we're bringing them 0:05:12.200 --> 0:05:15.279 into the into the church, and they're getting baptized. We've 0:05:15.279 --> 0:05:18.960 had a rash of baptisms this school year. That's just 0:05:18.960 --> 0:05:21.920 mind blowing. We've never seen anything like it in 50 years. 0:05:22.240 --> 0:05:24.600 You know, you mentioned earlier in the last segment that 0:05:24.600 --> 0:05:27.320 this generation is open and man, are they open to 0:05:27.360 --> 0:05:30.159 the gospel. But allies, right. Like they don't refer to 0:05:30.160 --> 0:05:33.919 themselves as having been Christian. Uh, in fact, the largest 0:05:33.920 --> 0:05:37.080 segment of our population would be considered nones. They have 0:05:37.080 --> 0:05:40.560 no affiliation whatsoever. But we make the mistake of assuming 0:05:40.560 --> 0:05:43.240 that that means that they're not interested in the gospel. 0:05:43.240 --> 0:05:47.040 This isn't European secularism. This is the greatest opportunity for 0:05:47.040 --> 0:05:48.800 the gospel in American history. 0:05:48.839 --> 0:05:50.560 Are York more with us right now? I'm looking at 0:05:50.560 --> 0:05:53.680 an article from the Gospel Coalition on this. Uh, tell 0:05:53.680 --> 0:05:56.710 me how this statement hits you. It says an increased 0:05:56.710 --> 0:06:01.990 majority of Gen Zers are biblically illiterate, anxious, digitally native, 0:06:01.990 --> 0:06:04.390 and uninterested in church. And then it goes on to say, 0:06:04.390 --> 0:06:07.469 we must understand these obstacles, but also crucial that we 0:06:07.470 --> 0:06:10.790 see them as opportunities for growth. How does that hit you? 0:06:10.790 --> 0:06:14.429 Do you think that that's an accurate description of Gen Z? 0:06:15.230 --> 0:06:18.429 Yeah, absolutely. And the operative word there is, you know, 0:06:18.710 --> 0:06:21.110 it's an opportunity. I don't know that I would say 0:06:21.110 --> 0:06:23.870 that they're not interested in church. It's just nobody's really 0:06:23.870 --> 0:06:26.310 inviting them. They don't really think of church like it's 0:06:26.310 --> 0:06:29.390 just not on their top ten list. They you know, 0:06:29.430 --> 0:06:32.750 they're binging Netflix. They're they're on TikTok. They're they're doing 0:06:32.750 --> 0:06:34.990 these kinds of things. And church is almost like this 0:06:35.029 --> 0:06:39.190 invisible world to them. So in the coalition for Christian Outreach, 0:06:39.310 --> 0:06:42.670 when we invite them to church, almost always it's their 0:06:42.670 --> 0:06:46.229 first opportunity to go to church. Now, what they find 0:06:46.230 --> 0:06:48.710 at church is a very strange world, and so we 0:06:48.710 --> 0:06:50.750 need to prepare them for that. There's a culture in 0:06:50.750 --> 0:06:54.610 our churches, but yeah, that that actually describes Gen Z 0:06:54.650 --> 0:06:57.250 pretty well. The idea that they're digital natives, that's a 0:06:57.250 --> 0:06:59.890 phrase that we like to throw around and use a lot. 0:06:59.930 --> 0:07:01.810 But you know, what I like to say is that, 0:07:01.850 --> 0:07:04.370 you know, our life will forever be what I call 0:07:04.370 --> 0:07:08.450 phygital the integration of physical and digital. There's no separation 0:07:08.450 --> 0:07:13.330 between the digital self and our corporeal existence, our physical 0:07:13.330 --> 0:07:17.490 existence and the relationships that we have online. Those lines 0:07:17.490 --> 0:07:20.810 don't exist for Gen Z, and really, for most of us, 0:07:20.810 --> 0:07:23.330 those lines are getting blurred every day. But Gen Z 0:07:23.330 --> 0:07:27.010 is the first real, true generation of digital natives, if 0:07:27.010 --> 0:07:28.370 we like to use that phrase. 0:07:28.410 --> 0:07:31.290 Love it R-york more is our guest. Before we get 0:07:31.290 --> 0:07:36.690 into three bedrock truths for evangelizing this next generation, I 0:07:36.690 --> 0:07:39.210 want you to give some stats. Our audience needs to 0:07:39.250 --> 0:07:42.850 know what God's doing through your ministry. Uh, blow our 0:07:42.850 --> 0:07:44.530 mind here. We haven't had you in here for a while. 0:07:44.530 --> 0:07:45.530 What's God doing? 0:07:46.850 --> 0:07:48.570 Well, the God is always on the move, and it's 0:07:48.570 --> 0:07:51.330 all the Lord. All glory to the Lord Jesus. But 0:07:51.370 --> 0:07:53.760 you know the coalition for Christian Outreach is probably a 0:07:53.760 --> 0:07:56.320 name that your listeners have never heard of. We've been 0:07:56.320 --> 0:08:00.400 around for 50 years. I spent 27 years with a 0:08:00.440 --> 0:08:04.600 very well-known ministry called InterVarsity Christian Fellowship, was their national evangelist. 0:08:04.840 --> 0:08:07.480 That's a juggernaut. I mean, they are 50 states. Uh, 0:08:07.800 --> 0:08:11.640 you know, 1400 employees. You know, part of 173 nation 0:08:11.640 --> 0:08:16.160 movement of college students. We're tiny, tiny, tiny. And I 0:08:16.160 --> 0:08:19.640 took this job because the invitation was nationalized. This movement, 0:08:19.640 --> 0:08:22.960 I started the Every Campus coalition with a couple of 0:08:22.960 --> 0:08:26.320 friends back in 2017. Now, that includes every single college 0:08:26.320 --> 0:08:30.080 ministry in America. 130 college ministries are a part of 0:08:30.080 --> 0:08:32.280 the every campus movement. You can go to every campus 0:08:32.280 --> 0:08:34.880 comm and check that out. But I said yes to 0:08:34.920 --> 0:08:37.600 being the CEO of the Co, which has taken me 0:08:37.640 --> 0:08:40.600 three years now to to say, you know, with elegance, 0:08:41.040 --> 0:08:44.920 I'm the CEO of the Co Karl and that's harder 0:08:44.920 --> 0:08:45.440 to say. 0:08:45.480 --> 0:08:46.000 It is. 0:08:46.280 --> 0:08:50.199 And basically I said yes because our model is the 0:08:50.300 --> 0:08:53.740 local church. Now, I love all of the campus ministries, 0:08:53.780 --> 0:08:55.940 and so this isn't a competition. We're not in competition 0:08:55.940 --> 0:08:58.459 with one another. But I think we are the only 0:08:58.460 --> 0:09:03.540 college ministry at scale that's actually predicated upon working directly 0:09:03.540 --> 0:09:06.780 with the local church. We put our missionaries on staff 0:09:06.980 --> 0:09:10.340 with the local church, and then through the local church. 0:09:10.340 --> 0:09:12.860 We're reaching students for Christ, and then we measure how 0:09:12.900 --> 0:09:16.059 active are they in the life of the church. And 0:09:16.100 --> 0:09:18.460 the exciting thing is, in the last three years, we've 0:09:18.460 --> 0:09:22.900 seen 50% growth. We're now operating in 16 states. We 0:09:22.900 --> 0:09:25.700 have a strategic plan to grow an additional 30%. So 0:09:25.700 --> 0:09:27.740 God is on the move. But listen, it's not just 0:09:27.740 --> 0:09:30.740 about the big numbers and these kinds of things. It's 0:09:30.740 --> 0:09:34.580 about discipleship. We are a disciple making movement. And so 0:09:34.620 --> 0:09:37.860 as we're seeing young people come to Christ, we're discipling 0:09:37.860 --> 0:09:42.820 them into this passionate worldview that integrates the lordship of 0:09:42.820 --> 0:09:46.179 Jesus into every square inch of their lives, not just 0:09:46.179 --> 0:09:48.820 a Sunday faith. We call it our Beyond Sunday effect. 0:09:48.820 --> 0:09:52.040 We're discipling students from Monday through Sunday. Faith. 0:09:52.800 --> 0:09:55.640 Are your guests right now. So let's get on these, uh, 0:09:55.640 --> 0:09:59.640 these three bedrock truths for evangelizing this next generation. I 0:09:59.640 --> 0:10:02.720 know you spend time with your TikTok ministry. You work 0:10:02.760 --> 0:10:06.000 a lot with college students. Uh, sum up, give us 0:10:06.000 --> 0:10:08.400 the first of those bedrock truths is going to help 0:10:08.400 --> 0:10:10.400 us evangelize this generation. 0:10:11.080 --> 0:10:13.640 Yeah. The first one is, is really what we've already 0:10:13.640 --> 0:10:16.880 touched upon. Listen, when you have an entire generation, let's 0:10:16.880 --> 0:10:20.000 just say let's recognize the opportunity here. Gen Z is 0:10:20.000 --> 0:10:24.000 literally the largest generation in American history. They are not 0:10:24.000 --> 0:10:28.240 just the largest unchurched generation. They are the largest generation. Period. 0:10:28.559 --> 0:10:31.199 So that means something. And so then when we dive 0:10:31.200 --> 0:10:34.640 into the stats and, uh, you know, you know, Kinnaman 0:10:34.640 --> 0:10:37.360 will tell us over there at Barna and these stats 0:10:37.360 --> 0:10:43.599 are true. 84% of Gen Z, uh, are either extremely 0:10:43.600 --> 0:10:46.679 open or moderately open to spiritual dialogue. 0:10:46.679 --> 0:10:47.160 That's amazing. 0:10:47.200 --> 0:10:50.670 And he also tells us that they're looking for mentors. 0:10:51.030 --> 0:10:54.189 That's new. I'm an Xer. I wasn't looking for mentors. 0:10:54.190 --> 0:10:57.830 I wasn't looking for somebody to feed into me spiritually 0:10:57.830 --> 0:11:00.310 and walk in life. I had to be taught that 0:11:00.309 --> 0:11:03.710 that was a good thing. This generation is actually open. 0:11:03.750 --> 0:11:06.950 So the first bedrock truth is, listen, when you're sharing 0:11:06.950 --> 0:11:09.750 the good news with people, the assumption that they're resistant. 0:11:09.790 --> 0:11:13.870 The assumption that they have lots of kind of hostile questions, 0:11:14.309 --> 0:11:18.069 that's that's gone. So when you now they do have questions, 0:11:18.070 --> 0:11:21.150 they're different questions. They're not the classic apologetic questions. The 0:11:21.150 --> 0:11:24.189 evidence for the resurrection. And you know, what's the historical 0:11:24.190 --> 0:11:26.829 evidence for the validity of the Bible. And they're not 0:11:26.830 --> 0:11:29.390 asking those kinds of questions. They are asking questions. And 0:11:29.390 --> 0:11:32.750 their questions are challenging, but they're not hostile. This is 0:11:32.750 --> 0:11:36.310 a generation that's incredibly open. So that first bedrock truth 0:11:36.309 --> 0:11:41.270 is really this is the greatest evangelistic opportunity in American history. 0:11:41.510 --> 0:11:44.550 And so if you're sitting on a board of a foundation, 0:11:44.550 --> 0:11:47.569 if you're an elder in a church, if you're a 0:11:47.570 --> 0:11:52.530 businessman or a woman who loves to invest in kingdom initiatives. Listen, 0:11:52.530 --> 0:11:56.170 get your checkbook out. This is an opportunity to underwrite 0:11:56.210 --> 0:11:58.850 a movement of God that we're seeing in this generation. 0:11:58.890 --> 0:12:02.050 Don't miss this opportunity. This isn't this isn't just like 0:12:02.090 --> 0:12:05.250 a a small little blip. This is a great opportunity. Listen, 0:12:05.250 --> 0:12:07.570 I've been talking to people around the country. I was 0:12:07.570 --> 0:12:10.850 just talking to somebody in the Fellowship of Christian Athletes, 0:12:10.850 --> 0:12:14.850 which is a wonderful ministry. My organization does work with FCA. 0:12:15.290 --> 0:12:18.730 They had 2000 students come to faith at a single 0:12:18.730 --> 0:12:20.370 event in Jacksonville, Florida. 0:12:20.410 --> 0:12:20.730 Wow. 0:12:20.770 --> 0:12:24.890 We heard about 2000 coming at Western Western WVU, Western 0:12:24.890 --> 0:12:29.410 Virginia University. It's not just, you know, these little revivals 0:12:29.410 --> 0:12:32.090 on these Christian college campuses that we're hearing about. There 0:12:32.090 --> 0:12:34.610 is a move of God across America and Gen Z, 0:12:34.650 --> 0:12:36.449 and I think we're just getting started. 0:12:36.490 --> 0:12:38.970 I love it. Anecdotally, this is so weird. I haven't 0:12:38.970 --> 0:12:41.090 even told my team this. But at our new campus 0:12:41.090 --> 0:12:43.449 that we opened up here for 180 Chicago, we had 0:12:43.450 --> 0:12:49.680 three high schoolers come to the church and I started asking, hey, 0:12:50.200 --> 0:12:52.120 does anyone know these kids? They were there for a 0:12:52.120 --> 0:12:54.440 few weeks in a row. Campus directors started to get 0:12:54.440 --> 0:12:56.040 to know them a little bit. Here's what we found out. 0:12:56.040 --> 0:12:59.959 Ready for this, guys? No one invited him. York. They 0:12:59.960 --> 0:13:03.960 showed up, they sought us out. And they sit in 0:13:03.960 --> 0:13:09.120 the front row, leaning forward, hanging on every word. No 0:13:09.120 --> 0:13:13.439 parents coming to church. No parents with any spiritual interest 0:13:13.440 --> 0:13:17.760 at all. And they're there every week. York isn't that. 0:13:18.000 --> 0:13:22.720 Does that shock anyone else here? I mean, yes, that's wild. Okay, 0:13:22.760 --> 0:13:26.280 give us a second to bedrock here. Truth for reaching 0:13:26.280 --> 0:13:27.080 these kids. 0:13:27.120 --> 0:13:29.880 Yeah, well. And this this will tie in exactly with 0:13:29.880 --> 0:13:33.360 what you're saying. Listen, the Holy Spirit is on the move. 0:13:33.600 --> 0:13:36.680 God is never inactive, and God is at work in 0:13:36.679 --> 0:13:41.319 every population center, every people group, throughout time, throughout space. 0:13:41.600 --> 0:13:44.819 God is always on the move. But some of us. 0:13:45.140 --> 0:13:47.500 I'm not one of those people, but some of us 0:13:47.500 --> 0:13:51.099 are old enough to remember the Jesus movement in the 1970s. 0:13:51.500 --> 0:13:55.500 I had dinner last night with a very important Christian 0:13:55.500 --> 0:13:59.500 leader here in Pittsburgh, where we're headquartered, and he and 0:13:59.500 --> 0:14:02.820 his wife became Christians during the Jesus movement. And, you know, 0:14:02.860 --> 0:14:05.579 they went on to a very storied career in corporate 0:14:05.580 --> 0:14:08.860 and then became Christian leaders in Pittsburgh here. And they 0:14:08.860 --> 0:14:12.220 recounted the story of being swept up by a move 0:14:12.220 --> 0:14:15.020 of the Lord with a Holy Spirit was moving in power, 0:14:15.059 --> 0:14:19.540 where people were getting saved by the hundreds everywhere you went. And, 0:14:19.580 --> 0:14:21.660 you know, we think about that as kind of a 0:14:21.660 --> 0:14:25.180 historic lure. That's what we're living in right now. You know, 0:14:25.220 --> 0:14:29.220 we're seeing ministries like the circuit riders in Southern California 0:14:29.260 --> 0:14:32.500 baptizing people by the thousands in the ocean like we 0:14:32.500 --> 0:14:35.820 saw in the Jesus movement. Yes, the Holy Spirit is 0:14:35.820 --> 0:14:38.940 moving in power. And I believe in many of my 0:14:38.940 --> 0:14:42.860 colleagues in these other Christian ministries believe that revival is coming. 0:14:42.860 --> 0:14:45.490 It is not yet here. What we're actually seeing are 0:14:45.490 --> 0:14:49.410 the initial tremors of revival. So this second bedrock truth is, 0:14:49.410 --> 0:14:51.210 listen to the Holy Spirit is. 0:14:51.210 --> 0:14:53.090 Alive and active and well, and. 0:14:53.090 --> 0:14:53.490 He's doing. 0:14:53.490 --> 0:14:54.490 Something unique. 0:14:54.490 --> 0:14:56.610 In power with this generation. 0:14:56.690 --> 0:14:58.890 All right, give us the third one, my man. You're 0:14:58.890 --> 0:14:59.650 on a roll here. 0:15:00.010 --> 0:15:02.130 Well, the third one is a timeless truth. And I. 0:15:02.170 --> 0:15:04.170 You know, I wouldn't be an evangelist worth my salt 0:15:04.170 --> 0:15:07.810 if I didn't say this, but it is absolutely true. Listen, Carl, 0:15:07.850 --> 0:15:12.570 the gospel cannot fail when we proclaim the gospel, God's 0:15:12.570 --> 0:15:13.130 word goes. 0:15:13.130 --> 0:15:13.970 Out and. 0:15:13.970 --> 0:15:16.650 It comes back and it doesn't come back empty. It 0:15:16.650 --> 0:15:20.770 doesn't come back void. The gospel doesn't fail. And it's 0:15:20.770 --> 0:15:24.210 great to teach the great, you know, depths of the scriptures. 0:15:24.250 --> 0:15:27.650 And but listen, you start with the good news of 0:15:27.650 --> 0:15:29.770 Jesus death on the cross and the power of his 0:15:29.770 --> 0:15:33.330 resurrection and the absolute authority of his lordship. And when 0:15:33.330 --> 0:15:37.609 we proclaim that gospel, it's not coming back empty. It 0:15:37.610 --> 0:15:40.330 always wins. And so I've been an evangelist now for 0:15:40.330 --> 0:15:44.229 30 years. I've had the privilege of speaking to audiences 0:15:44.230 --> 0:15:46.670 as small as five at a rehab center and as 0:15:46.670 --> 0:15:49.390 large as 100,000. You know, I've been on TikTok, I've 0:15:49.390 --> 0:15:51.390 been on TV, I've been on the street corners, and 0:15:51.390 --> 0:15:54.270 I've been, you know, intimate coffee shops with people who 0:15:54.310 --> 0:15:57.310 are giving their lives to Christ. And one thing that 0:15:57.310 --> 0:16:00.190 is common in all of those experiences is that it 0:16:00.190 --> 0:16:02.750 all comes down to Jesus. If we just make much 0:16:02.750 --> 0:16:05.550 of Jesus, if we lift him up and focus on 0:16:05.550 --> 0:16:08.350 the good news of the gospel, it cannot fail. It 0:16:08.350 --> 0:16:11.510 will not fail. It will always produce fruit. Now, it 0:16:11.510 --> 0:16:14.550 doesn't mean that always people become Christians, but it will 0:16:14.550 --> 0:16:17.230 always produce fruit. How many of these stories do you hear? 0:16:17.870 --> 0:16:22.910 Where somebody hears the gospel, they're offended, and it seems 0:16:22.910 --> 0:16:25.790 as if there's rejection, but it's like a seed that 0:16:25.790 --> 0:16:28.830 God puts in their heart, aggravates them and convicts them 0:16:28.870 --> 0:16:31.230 of sin, of judgment or righteousness. And over the course 0:16:31.230 --> 0:16:35.350 of time they end up repenting, giving their lives to Christ. 0:16:35.470 --> 0:16:38.310 So my third bedrock truth is listen to gospel cannot fail. 0:16:38.350 --> 0:16:40.870 Make much of Jesus. Lift him up. Make him known. 0:16:41.180 --> 0:16:43.540 Yeah. You know what, York? I was just sitting here 0:16:43.580 --> 0:16:46.260 cogitating on this. So you got two stories in the Bible. 0:16:46.460 --> 0:16:50.020 You got the Samaritan woman, and she responded. So much 0:16:50.020 --> 0:16:52.820 so Jesus had to extend his stay in Samaria. And 0:16:52.820 --> 0:16:55.340 then you got the rich young ruler. And he walked 0:16:55.340 --> 0:16:58.260 away disappointed because he had a lot of wealth. Both 0:16:58.260 --> 0:17:02.180 of those stories for 2000 years have been impacting people 0:17:02.180 --> 0:17:06.939 for Christ, even though the rich young ruler apparently didn't respond. 0:17:07.180 --> 0:17:09.859 That just that just hit me like a ton of bricks. 0:17:09.980 --> 0:17:12.260 I guess the bottom line here is York. You put 0:17:12.260 --> 0:17:14.980 these together. Don't assume they're resistant. The Holy Spirit is 0:17:14.980 --> 0:17:18.340 on the move. Timeless truth is timeless truth. The gospel 0:17:18.340 --> 0:17:22.140 changes everything. We got to keep our story out there, 0:17:22.140 --> 0:17:24.260 no matter what age and stage we are. Right? York, 0:17:24.300 --> 0:17:27.620 speak to our folks. That I mean, our average age 0:17:27.619 --> 0:17:31.379 here is somewhere between 40 to 60, probably. However, lately 0:17:31.380 --> 0:17:34.380 we've been finding a lot of teenagers and young people listening. 0:17:34.619 --> 0:17:37.500 Just one final challenge. What do you say, my man? 0:17:37.540 --> 0:17:40.560 Well, next week, I'll have the privilege of joining my 0:17:40.560 --> 0:17:44.600 friend Bob Lenz at Life Fest in Oshkosh, and I 0:17:44.600 --> 0:17:48.280 think they'll probably be about 70,000 people there. And it's 0:17:48.280 --> 0:17:51.359 a Christian festival with all the bands. And, you know, 0:17:51.400 --> 0:17:54.040 at the end of each day the gospel will be proclaimed. 0:17:54.040 --> 0:17:55.800 And I've been there a few times now, and I've 0:17:55.800 --> 0:17:59.840 seen little kids with their mothers and dads, you know, 0:17:59.880 --> 0:18:02.120 come forward to give their lives for Christ. And I've 0:18:02.119 --> 0:18:05.119 seen teenagers and I've seen people smack dab in the 0:18:05.119 --> 0:18:08.240 middle of your demographic, which I am. I'm 56. And 0:18:08.520 --> 0:18:10.760 people who have lived their life coming to Jesus. And 0:18:10.760 --> 0:18:13.320 then I've seen the elderly come to Christ. And so 0:18:13.359 --> 0:18:15.680 the thing that I'm trying to say there, Carl, is, listen, 0:18:16.280 --> 0:18:19.440 you know, God is no respecter of persons. God loves 0:18:19.440 --> 0:18:22.360 us with an everlasting love. And he's not done working 0:18:22.400 --> 0:18:26.600 until we're done breathing. And and listen, the gospel is 0:18:26.600 --> 0:18:28.680 good news. The gospel is good news. 0:18:29.320 --> 0:18:32.400 Our York more. I love you, man. I do. God's 0:18:32.400 --> 0:18:36.160 using you, and it's so inspiring. Yeah. Okay. You want 0:18:36.200 --> 0:18:38.600 to get some goods? You want to get the goods 0:18:38.660 --> 0:18:40.340 on this guy. We got it for you. 0:18:40.380 --> 0:18:45.460 Just text York to 800 555 78, 98. Text York 0:18:45.500 --> 0:18:48.780 to 800 555 7898. 0:18:48.820 --> 0:18:54.540 Again. Text the word York to 800 555 7898. 0:18:55.020 --> 0:18:59.619 She's a choreographer extraordinaire, and everything is Greek to her. 0:19:00.060 --> 0:19:03.780 Super die is in the crew. It's Carl and crew 0:19:03.780 --> 0:19:05.100 on Moody Radio. 0:19:05.260 --> 0:19:10.580 Guess what? She slid back in here today. From parts 0:19:10.580 --> 0:19:14.780 unknown around the world. Her name is Ali. 0:19:15.940 --> 0:19:16.780 Remember me? 0:19:16.980 --> 0:19:21.540 And if you've been suffering withdrawals. Boy, have we got 0:19:21.540 --> 0:19:23.100 some hope for you. 0:19:23.460 --> 0:19:27.020 Making herself laugh no matter who joins her. It's time 0:19:27.020 --> 0:19:29.060 for Ali. Thinks it's funny. 0:19:30.140 --> 0:19:31.540 Did you say remember me? 0:19:31.700 --> 0:19:36.820 Remember me? Boy, I've missed these jokes. I did try 0:19:36.820 --> 0:19:38.970 out a couple on my on my trip. 0:19:39.010 --> 0:19:40.290 Oh, good for you. 0:19:40.330 --> 0:19:42.290 Yeah. They didn't go over great. 0:19:42.330 --> 0:19:44.889 But you gave it your. You put the mustard to it, right? 0:19:44.930 --> 0:19:47.530 It's never good when somebody's like. So tell us a joke. 0:19:48.810 --> 0:19:52.970 Killing time on the bus between stops. You ready? Okay, then. 0:19:53.090 --> 0:19:56.370 But I've got a I've got a loving, welcoming audience 0:19:56.410 --> 0:20:00.010 in you. Listening. You. You enjoy these jokes? Uh, a 0:20:00.010 --> 0:20:02.889 couple animal jokes for you today. How did the dog 0:20:03.130 --> 0:20:07.370 get all A's on its report card? How did the 0:20:07.369 --> 0:20:10.330 dog get all A's on? Say it's a boy dog 0:20:10.330 --> 0:20:11.970 on his report card? 0:20:12.210 --> 0:20:14.730 Oh, I'm thinking hard. Nothing's coming. 0:20:15.570 --> 0:20:21.210 He was the teacher's pet. Of course. The teacher's pet. 0:20:21.250 --> 0:20:23.649 That was rough. All A's. Wow. 0:20:24.050 --> 0:20:26.130 Thank you. Thank you. 0:20:27.690 --> 0:20:30.090 And now for a joke that. I've got to be honest, 0:20:30.090 --> 0:20:32.650 when I first heard this one, my husband gave me 0:20:32.650 --> 0:20:35.250 this one, and I said, I cannot wait to tell 0:20:35.250 --> 0:20:37.510 this one on air. I laughed so hard. 0:20:38.030 --> 0:20:39.750 I can't wait. Wow. You've built. 0:20:39.750 --> 0:20:39.990 This. 0:20:40.030 --> 0:20:41.390 You've built it up. I've built. 0:20:41.390 --> 0:20:43.550 It up. And either you're gonna get it and you're 0:20:43.550 --> 0:20:46.230 going to laugh, or you're going to go. That is horrible. 0:20:46.230 --> 0:20:49.869 There's no in between. All right, I'm gearing up for it. 0:20:51.150 --> 0:20:53.590 Favorite cat you have a you have a house cat? 0:20:53.630 --> 0:20:54.990 Yeah, we have two rescue cats. 0:20:55.150 --> 0:20:58.230 Rescue cats? Any anyone else a cat person? No. Cat. Okay, 0:20:58.230 --> 0:21:00.470 then you might have a you might have an advantage. 0:21:00.470 --> 0:21:05.750 How do cats like their steaks cooked? How do cats 0:21:07.070 --> 0:21:08.670 like their steaks cooked? 0:21:08.710 --> 0:21:09.429 I can't wait. 0:21:10.030 --> 0:21:18.110 Rare. Okay. We need to flip that and save that. That's. 0:21:18.350 --> 0:21:19.310 That was great. 0:21:19.350 --> 0:21:21.909 I when I tell you. 0:21:23.109 --> 0:21:27.190 Oh, I applaud you on that one. That was too good. 0:21:27.230 --> 0:21:27.710 I've been. 0:21:27.710 --> 0:21:28.270 Waiting. 0:21:28.310 --> 0:21:29.869 That was so good. 0:21:30.670 --> 0:21:31.830 Oh, you did it. 0:21:31.869 --> 0:21:32.869 I love that. 0:21:32.910 --> 0:21:34.470 I have a I had one shot at it, I 0:21:34.470 --> 0:21:34.910 knew I. 0:21:34.910 --> 0:21:36.379 Had one shot. You can't mess. 0:21:36.380 --> 0:21:38.460 That one up. Mess it up because there's no there's 0:21:38.460 --> 0:21:40.860 no redos. And so when you get this joke, I 0:21:40.859 --> 0:21:43.420 didn't quite indicate that you got to say it in 0:21:43.420 --> 0:21:43.940 the voice. 0:21:43.980 --> 0:21:45.020 So you just have to. 0:21:45.060 --> 0:21:47.660 It's all voice. You've gotta. It's the voice inflection that 0:21:47.660 --> 0:21:48.540 makes this. 0:21:48.580 --> 0:21:53.020 So when your husband told you your your big basketball 0:21:53.020 --> 0:21:54.820 player husband told you. 0:21:54.859 --> 0:21:55.379 Did he do it. 0:21:55.380 --> 0:21:56.379 Well? Did he do that? 0:21:56.460 --> 0:21:57.179 Killed it. 0:21:57.380 --> 0:21:59.740 Killed it. That's coming out of Henry's mouth. 0:21:59.780 --> 0:22:00.419 That's what I want to. 0:22:00.420 --> 0:22:01.420 Crazier than Ali. 0:22:01.460 --> 0:22:04.180 He knows that I love these things. He hates these jokes. 0:22:04.180 --> 0:22:07.140 But because of his love for me, he's a good husband. 0:22:07.140 --> 0:22:09.940 And when he hears one or sees one online, he 0:22:09.980 --> 0:22:12.500 saves it for me. And this one he delivered with 0:22:12.500 --> 0:22:13.300 such gusto. 0:22:13.340 --> 0:22:13.820 You laughed. 0:22:13.820 --> 0:22:15.699 I was doubled over to hear. 0:22:15.700 --> 0:22:23.060 Him say ringer. I would pay. 0:22:23.220 --> 0:22:24.020 I pay. 0:22:24.060 --> 0:22:25.179 $5. 0:22:25.180 --> 0:22:25.980 To see Henry. 0:22:26.020 --> 0:22:28.939 Do it. Boy, it was. It was just a pure moment. 0:22:28.940 --> 0:22:31.300 Of gold in our household. If you want these jokes, 0:22:31.300 --> 0:22:39.560 text Five, 78, 98. Just text jokes to 800 555 7898. 0:22:39.960 --> 0:22:42.840 I still can't picture Henry saying that. It was so. 0:22:42.840 --> 0:22:45.120 Good. I loved him more in that moment. 0:22:45.160 --> 0:22:47.520 Well, of course you did, man. That endeared you to 0:22:47.560 --> 0:22:51.919 that hunk of burning love, man. Oh my goodness. Sex 0:22:51.920 --> 0:22:56.240 jokes stayed under five. Five. Five. 78, 98. And I 0:22:56.280 --> 0:22:58.520 can't see anyone texting in today. 0:22:58.560 --> 0:22:59.480 Oh, your. 0:22:59.520 --> 0:23:01.080 Machine is broken. 0:23:01.119 --> 0:23:02.280 Systems a little down. 0:23:02.320 --> 0:23:05.960 It's called simple texting. Well, that's simple enough for this Boomer. 0:23:06.880 --> 0:23:08.960 All right, we'll work on that one. But we know 0:23:08.960 --> 0:23:10.280 they're going out. Right, guys? 0:23:10.320 --> 0:23:12.280 Yes. I'm loving those of you who are giving me 0:23:12.280 --> 0:23:17.360 a little puns. I'm feeling that joke. You're feeling it, 0:23:17.359 --> 0:23:22.520 feeling it. Love it. Text jokes to 800 555 7898. 0:23:22.560 --> 0:23:25.720 Okay. Coming up, Ali is back. Man, I keep wanting 0:23:25.760 --> 0:23:28.000 to say where you're back from, but I can't say 0:23:28.000 --> 0:23:30.480 it and I hope it doesn't slip out of my mouth. 0:23:30.800 --> 0:23:33.790 She went off on a missions trip to a to 0:23:33.869 --> 0:23:37.790 a location in the planet Earth where. 0:23:37.790 --> 0:23:40.629 There are some restrictions. So I got to be restrictions. 0:23:40.670 --> 0:23:43.550 Yeah. Yeah. So we're going to break it down. We've 0:23:43.550 --> 0:23:45.869 got lessons learned from this thing and we're going to 0:23:45.869 --> 0:23:48.230 get them all day long. You ready to go, sister? 0:23:48.270 --> 0:23:48.629 Ready? 0:23:48.670 --> 0:23:51.710 She's got tears under her eyes. Guys, I'm not kidding you, right. 0:23:51.750 --> 0:23:53.430 And there may be more when I start talking about 0:23:53.430 --> 0:23:54.110 this trip. 0:23:54.150 --> 0:23:55.430 Oh, but different ones. 0:23:55.470 --> 0:23:56.470 Different ones though. 0:23:57.150 --> 0:24:00.070 You're listening to Curl and crew on Moody Radio. 0:24:00.710 --> 0:24:05.990 Allie's back in town, and she's been in a in 0:24:05.990 --> 0:24:10.109 a country that we can't disclose for practical reasons. But. Allie, 0:24:10.109 --> 0:24:12.149 break it down, sister. What's on your heart? What did 0:24:12.150 --> 0:24:12.550 you learn? 0:24:12.590 --> 0:24:14.070 You know, I had an opportunity to go with a 0:24:14.070 --> 0:24:17.950 small group of people to a country of. It's a 0:24:17.990 --> 0:24:21.270 very country that lives under a lot of oppression. And 0:24:21.270 --> 0:24:24.990 what this particular ministry does is they're able to take 0:24:24.990 --> 0:24:28.429 resources and practical things to help meet the needs of 0:24:28.430 --> 0:24:31.150 the pastors and the missionaries. So part of this was 0:24:31.150 --> 0:24:34.090 just an encouragement trip. Were we able to go and 0:24:34.090 --> 0:24:38.290 meet a lot of pastors, encourage some missionaries, bring lots 0:24:38.290 --> 0:24:40.850 of things in that are difficult to get in this 0:24:40.850 --> 0:24:45.530 particular country. Just really love them well, and it was 0:24:45.530 --> 0:24:47.170 such a cool thing to be a part of. And 0:24:47.530 --> 0:24:50.490 but it was challenging. I mean, if you've not done 0:24:50.490 --> 0:24:52.890 a trip like this where you go to a country 0:24:53.210 --> 0:24:57.490 that's very impoverished, where a lot of the first world 0:24:57.530 --> 0:25:00.570 sort of comforts are stripped away, you know, that was 0:25:00.570 --> 0:25:03.250 my first time taking a trip like this. And so 0:25:03.250 --> 0:25:07.410 I remember sitting in this one particular gathering of people 0:25:07.570 --> 0:25:11.690 and it it's so hot there. And so we're in 0:25:11.690 --> 0:25:14.490 this kind of cramped sort of space. And it was 0:25:14.490 --> 0:25:19.889 probably about, I would say 95 degrees. And there were 0:25:19.890 --> 0:25:24.570 people I mean, a crowd doesn't even describe it. I mean, 0:25:24.609 --> 0:25:27.689 it was to the point where there wasn't a space 0:25:27.690 --> 0:25:31.479 where there wasn't a body. And so everybody sort of 0:25:31.520 --> 0:25:37.160 pressed together in this 95 degree space. There was electricity 0:25:37.160 --> 0:25:41.040 until there wasn't because there they have rolling blackouts, brownouts. 0:25:41.200 --> 0:25:44.240 And so the power goes out. And so the little 0:25:44.280 --> 0:25:47.800 bit of of air circulation that was coming from the fan. 0:25:47.920 --> 0:25:48.840 It's now done. 0:25:48.880 --> 0:25:53.200 It's now done. And I'm seeing the worship of these people. 0:25:53.200 --> 0:25:56.320 And the joy in their faces as they've gathered come 0:25:56.320 --> 0:26:02.200 from very, very humble homes that are kind of makeshift 0:26:02.200 --> 0:26:05.520 where they're, they're they're just doing life in a very 0:26:05.680 --> 0:26:09.879 under such hardship. And I thought, would I stay. 0:26:10.680 --> 0:26:11.080 Home. 0:26:11.440 --> 0:26:16.840 Would I? The power's out. There's no secular circulation. It's 0:26:16.840 --> 0:26:18.240 95 degrees. 0:26:18.240 --> 0:26:19.080 It's a good question. 0:26:19.119 --> 0:26:22.440 Every part of my body honestly wanted to kind of, like, 0:26:22.480 --> 0:26:26.160 get out of this space just to breathe. But there 0:26:26.160 --> 0:26:29.000 was such a desperation for God in that place. I 0:26:29.000 --> 0:26:30.980 was confronted with would I stay? 0:26:31.460 --> 0:26:34.379 You know that. I wonder if we might just shut 0:26:34.380 --> 0:26:34.859 it down. 0:26:35.060 --> 0:26:37.620 If I showed up to my church on Sunday morning 0:26:37.619 --> 0:26:40.340 and the air conditioner. Just. Let's just take that out alone. 0:26:40.340 --> 0:26:42.619 And it was a one of those days like we 0:26:42.619 --> 0:26:46.020 had in Chicago and in my church had no air conditioning. 0:26:46.020 --> 0:26:47.939 Would I stay 95 degrees? 0:26:47.940 --> 0:26:50.260 I don't even know if they would. I wonder if 0:26:50.260 --> 0:26:51.379 they would even have it. 0:26:51.420 --> 0:26:53.820 Would we even have a service? And it was such 0:26:53.820 --> 0:26:55.340 a funny little thought, but I think. 0:26:55.380 --> 0:26:56.500 That's a great thought. 0:26:56.540 --> 0:27:00.100 I thought the hunger and the desire that, you know, when, when, 0:27:00.100 --> 0:27:02.060 when I think it was Peter who asked the question, 0:27:02.060 --> 0:27:05.780 where else would we turn? Yeah. And so not only 0:27:05.780 --> 0:27:09.340 did these people come desperate to, for, for the support 0:27:09.340 --> 0:27:13.340 of each other, the exhortation of seeing other believers as 0:27:13.340 --> 0:27:16.300 we kind of go through this life, we're struggling together, 0:27:16.540 --> 0:27:21.060 the encouragement of one another, hanging on to every word 0:27:21.460 --> 0:27:25.060 that's being spoken. Because these really are the words of life. 0:27:25.060 --> 0:27:28.480 And we know that there's nothing else. We've got nothing else. 0:27:28.720 --> 0:27:34.119 And I thought, boy, you know, this heat, this many people, 0:27:34.119 --> 0:27:37.760 this many bodies pressed together, this much sweat pouring off 0:27:37.760 --> 0:27:42.520 of me might be a deterrent, but it's not. When 0:27:42.520 --> 0:27:43.800 you're hungry for God. 0:27:46.400 --> 0:27:49.120 These are such great lessons, and I'm so glad you 0:27:49.119 --> 0:27:57.040 brought them back. Because it's your story can help us. 0:27:57.040 --> 0:27:59.120 Even though we weren't there with you. And I was 0:27:59.119 --> 0:28:04.440 in Burundi recently, so it's same. Very similar. But but 0:28:05.359 --> 0:28:10.560 it's it's good because. Not because it's the old. Well, 0:28:10.600 --> 0:28:13.679 the kids in Africa don't have it guilt trip. It's 0:28:13.680 --> 0:28:19.960 a sobering like hold on here. What are we intolerant 0:28:19.960 --> 0:28:23.000 of that a hunger for God makes people tolerant of. 0:28:23.040 --> 0:28:26.560 I mean, the things that we allow to kind of 0:28:26.750 --> 0:28:31.070 keep us from, keep us from church, keep us from 0:28:31.070 --> 0:28:34.070 gathering together because it feels kind of optional. That's what 0:28:34.070 --> 0:28:36.830 I realize is that it sort of it can feel optional. 0:28:36.869 --> 0:28:38.590 Do I go, do I show up today? 0:28:39.510 --> 0:28:41.950 It's really good. Got a question for you. Boom crew. 0:28:41.990 --> 0:28:45.710 You hear that? And I want a lightning round response 0:28:45.710 --> 0:28:51.070 to our text message line. What is the thing that 0:28:51.070 --> 0:28:54.910 has been an inconvenience for you around the gospel that 0:28:54.910 --> 0:28:57.750 you're like? In light of that, I'm going to quit 0:28:58.270 --> 0:29:02.990 letting that be a point of impediment. I'm not going 0:29:03.030 --> 0:29:05.070 to let that get in the way of me anymore. 0:29:05.750 --> 0:29:08.110 What is it for you think about it for a second. 0:29:08.150 --> 0:29:10.870 You just get sobered up. These are. Here's what's beautiful 0:29:10.870 --> 0:29:14.070 about this. This isn't just a story. God allowed Ali 0:29:14.070 --> 0:29:17.590 to go to this country that we can't share to 0:29:17.630 --> 0:29:21.110 and come back and go, all right, this rocked Ali. 0:29:21.390 --> 0:29:23.710 You can feel it. You're shoulder to shoulder. You got 0:29:23.710 --> 0:29:26.890 sweat pouring off your arm or her arm and it's like, 0:29:26.890 --> 0:29:29.650 hold it. Whose arm is sweating, you know? And then 0:29:29.650 --> 0:29:32.450 you realize it's both of us. And now and then 0:29:32.490 --> 0:29:36.370 you're like, whoa! Now the fan's off. It's 95 degrees. 0:29:36.370 --> 0:29:39.930 No one's leaving. What's that do for you? What's it 0:29:39.930 --> 0:29:42.130 do for you? Just text us in a in a 0:29:42.130 --> 0:29:54.450 word or a sentence? One sentence. What's it do for you? Anything. 805, five, 578, 98, 805, five, five, 78, 98. 0:29:55.210 --> 0:29:58.010 Sometimes the best way to take a step forward with 0:29:58.010 --> 0:30:01.730 God is to appreciate what we have, and to maybe 0:30:01.730 --> 0:30:05.130 put up with a little bit of inconvenience if the 0:30:05.170 --> 0:30:12.610 gospel is really the thing that changes everything. 805 55 7898. 0:30:12.850 --> 0:30:17.810 What's God saying to your heart right now? 800 555 7898. 0:30:18.970 --> 0:30:22.650 Start your day moving closer to Jesus. You're listening to 0:30:22.690 --> 0:30:23.810 Carl and crew. 0:30:24.560 --> 0:30:28.600 Yeah, we're getting some good responses here, I tell you. 0:30:28.640 --> 0:30:30.840 You are the boom crew. That's why we love you. 0:30:31.200 --> 0:30:33.520 This is a sobering thing. Some of you like, what 0:30:33.520 --> 0:30:37.560 are we responding to? Because people tune in. This is 0:30:37.560 --> 0:30:40.480 kind of the really unusual kind of church service here, 0:30:40.480 --> 0:30:43.240 the gathering of saints that we have because we come 0:30:43.240 --> 0:30:46.320 and go at totally different times. Thankfully, we don't see 0:30:46.360 --> 0:30:49.480 people getting up or coming in to the front row, 0:30:49.480 --> 0:30:51.640 but that's really what we are. We're a gathering of 0:30:51.640 --> 0:30:55.720 people from every nation, tribe and tongue across North America 0:30:55.720 --> 0:30:58.920 and beyond. And when you hear a story like Ali's, 0:30:58.920 --> 0:31:02.240 it'll get you sobered up a little bit. And you go, yeah, 0:31:02.280 --> 0:31:06.080 I'm not shoulder to shoulder dripping sweat. 95 degrees fan 0:31:06.080 --> 0:31:09.520 just went out. And you look around you and you 0:31:09.560 --> 0:31:11.600 saw this, didn't you? You saw the hunger in their eyes. 0:31:11.600 --> 0:31:12.560 They didn't flinch. 0:31:12.600 --> 0:31:15.720 No. You know, and this was in such a remote place. 0:31:15.760 --> 0:31:17.800 I mean, we had we were in this kind of 0:31:17.840 --> 0:31:20.120 this bus. It was we were sort of off road, 0:31:20.120 --> 0:31:23.120 drove at least 20 minutes into what felt like the 0:31:23.220 --> 0:31:29.100 forest didn't I mean, everything. It was such poverty everywhere 0:31:29.100 --> 0:31:32.420 you look around and it was almost overwhelming. But then 0:31:32.420 --> 0:31:35.220 to walk in this little space where these people were 0:31:35.220 --> 0:31:38.540 so hungry for God, and it was humbling because I thought, 0:31:38.580 --> 0:31:41.820 would I, would I stay under if if this was 0:31:41.820 --> 0:31:45.100 the circumstances on a Sunday morning, would I stay? 0:31:45.300 --> 0:31:48.900 Yeah. I mean, it's a great question to ask. You know, 0:31:48.940 --> 0:31:54.260 a lot of responses here. Um, it's bringing conviction to some, um, 0:31:55.220 --> 0:31:57.580 they've got people that are going through health problems, but 0:31:57.620 --> 0:32:04.020 it gives perspective to that. Um, it shows that some 0:32:04.020 --> 0:32:06.740 people said, don't let this do this conviction is good. 0:32:06.740 --> 0:32:07.660 Shame is not good. 0:32:07.660 --> 0:32:08.260 Yeah. No, that's. 0:32:08.260 --> 0:32:12.100 That's from the evil one. Um, but conviction is good. 0:32:12.100 --> 0:32:16.140 It humbles me. It brings fire to my soul. I mean, 0:32:16.140 --> 0:32:20.700 the responses here are immense, and we can't cover them all. 0:32:20.700 --> 0:32:25.370 But praise be to God. Praise be to God. You know, 0:32:25.370 --> 0:32:28.370 sometimes you can look at the hunger of the gospel 0:32:28.370 --> 0:32:31.970 for people around the globe that don't have it as 0:32:32.170 --> 0:32:35.610 well as we do, and don't let that guilt you 0:32:35.610 --> 0:32:38.250 or shame you. But what if it just drove us 0:32:38.250 --> 0:32:41.610 to our knees in deeper appreciation for the little stuff 0:32:41.610 --> 0:32:42.690 in life, right? Ellie? 0:32:42.730 --> 0:32:43.570 Absolutely. 0:32:44.490 --> 0:32:49.050 She's a choreographer extraordinaire, and everything is Greek to her. 0:32:49.490 --> 0:32:53.250 Super dei is in the crew. It's Carl and crew 0:32:53.250 --> 0:32:54.410 on Moody Radio. 0:32:54.410 --> 0:32:56.969 Sometimes you get your cage rattled, and it's one of 0:32:56.970 --> 0:33:00.410 the most beautiful things on the planet. And I don't 0:33:00.410 --> 0:33:02.810 know how this went down, except that we got this 0:33:02.810 --> 0:33:05.890 common friend named George. George cook. 0:33:06.050 --> 0:33:06.490 Okay. 0:33:06.530 --> 0:33:08.650 And George invited me out. He said, hey, Carl, you 0:33:08.650 --> 0:33:10.570 got to come listen to this guy. I'm bringing this 0:33:10.570 --> 0:33:12.010 guy in. You got to come listen to him. I'm 0:33:12.010 --> 0:33:14.730 going to be serving lunch. And so I'm like, ah, 0:33:14.770 --> 0:33:16.690 it's one of those meetings. You're like, all right, George, 0:33:16.690 --> 0:33:21.550 I'll show up. And when I got there, I'm like, God, 0:33:21.550 --> 0:33:24.470 this is why I'm here. So the back story is 0:33:24.510 --> 0:33:26.910 God had just broken me and brought me back to 0:33:26.950 --> 0:33:30.110 the beginning of it all. And that is pastors first 0:33:30.110 --> 0:33:33.470 and foremost. Calling is to make disciples. And then I 0:33:33.470 --> 0:33:38.790 run into this character, David Nelms, and I'm like, who 0:33:38.790 --> 0:33:42.670 is this guy? He talks funny. He's got an accent. Guys, 0:33:42.670 --> 0:33:46.790 I'm not saying he talks funny. He thinks we talk funny. Okay. 0:33:47.230 --> 0:33:52.470 But his heart is so sincere and it rocked my world. 0:33:52.950 --> 0:33:55.709 You remember that lunch, David? By chance? I don't know 0:33:55.710 --> 0:33:56.630 if you do or not. 0:33:57.150 --> 0:34:01.710 Yeah, I do. And? And I'm sure glad George introduced us. 0:34:01.710 --> 0:34:02.750 It was a great day. 0:34:02.790 --> 0:34:05.550 Yeah, it was a great day. I sure love you, bud. 0:34:05.590 --> 0:34:08.470 All right, we're going to start with something totally different here. 0:34:08.790 --> 0:34:11.270 Ali and I were rocked by something you said in 0:34:11.270 --> 0:34:14.230 this studio. Goodness sakes. A couple of years ago. Ali, 0:34:14.230 --> 0:34:16.070 take it away. You remember the statement? 0:34:16.110 --> 0:34:20.900 Yeah. Doctor David Nelms with the Timothy Initiative, You said 0:34:20.900 --> 0:34:23.940 that we are not called to plant churches. We are 0:34:23.940 --> 0:34:28.299 called to make disciples. And it was like all of 0:34:28.300 --> 0:34:31.700 a sudden something became clear that had maybe gotten a 0:34:31.700 --> 0:34:35.779 little foggy with sometimes the model that is put forth. 0:34:36.260 --> 0:34:38.819 First of all, what's the difference between planting a church 0:34:38.820 --> 0:34:40.899 and making a disciple? Why are they not one and 0:34:40.900 --> 0:34:41.420 the same? 0:34:42.500 --> 0:34:45.660 Yeah, well, and let me let me be clear. Uh, 0:34:46.100 --> 0:34:50.460 planting churches is probably my hobby. Okay. Yeah. Uh, you'll 0:34:50.660 --> 0:34:53.420 be hard to find anybody more excited about planting churches 0:34:53.420 --> 0:34:58.899 than me, but I. I used to think I knew 0:34:58.900 --> 0:35:02.779 the Great Commission was to make disciples. I thought the 0:35:02.780 --> 0:35:06.500 best way to make disciples was by planting churches. But 0:35:06.500 --> 0:35:10.460 I came to realize that I had it backwards. Uh, 0:35:10.460 --> 0:35:12.700 more accurate would be the best way to plant churches 0:35:12.700 --> 0:35:17.740 is by making disciples for Jesus. The Great Commission. Jesus 0:35:17.739 --> 0:35:20.600 did not say, go therefore, and plant churches. He said, 0:35:20.600 --> 0:35:25.440 go therefore and make disciples. And so that should be 0:35:25.440 --> 0:35:29.000 our priority. Now if you make disciples who make disciples, 0:35:29.440 --> 0:35:31.839 you can't stop it from happening. The fruit of that 0:35:31.840 --> 0:35:35.600 will be churches will spring up. And so I'm not 0:35:35.600 --> 0:35:38.040 saying don't plant churches. I'm saying the best way to 0:35:38.040 --> 0:35:41.560 plant churches is by obeying the Great Commission, going and 0:35:41.560 --> 0:35:42.560 making disciples. 0:35:42.600 --> 0:35:45.720 Doctor David Nelms with the Timothy Initiative. It's a global 0:35:45.719 --> 0:35:49.440 movement that makes and multiplies disciples, churches and leaders. They're 0:35:49.440 --> 0:35:53.840 committed to getting a church in every village, everywhere around 0:35:53.840 --> 0:35:54.440 the globe. 0:35:54.800 --> 0:35:57.120 Uh, let's. David, I want to go back to something 0:35:57.320 --> 0:35:58.839 before I brought you on air. I don't know if 0:35:58.880 --> 0:36:03.120 you heard what I was sharing, but there is a gravitational, 0:36:03.360 --> 0:36:06.920 I mean, force field that to get out of that 0:36:06.920 --> 0:36:10.400 orbit is difficult. And it's. And a lot of pastors 0:36:10.400 --> 0:36:14.040 and a lot of people listening right now struggle with. Yeah, 0:36:14.040 --> 0:36:16.799 we're validated by how many people are coming and how 0:36:16.800 --> 0:36:20.100 much money's given. How do you get out of that 0:36:20.100 --> 0:36:25.219 gravitational pull into a genuine heart for disciple making? 0:36:25.900 --> 0:36:28.700 Well, for me, Carl. And let me let me say 0:36:28.700 --> 0:36:31.700 this to your listeners, I about the only thing I'm 0:36:31.700 --> 0:36:36.339 really good at is not being good. Okay. So you're 0:36:36.340 --> 0:36:37.299 with Paul and me? 0:36:37.340 --> 0:36:37.780 Yeah. 0:36:37.820 --> 0:36:41.100 Yeah. I don't see myself as as an example by 0:36:41.100 --> 0:36:45.259 any means, but, you know, uh, I would define a 0:36:45.260 --> 0:36:50.660 disciple as someone who lives like Jesus and leads others 0:36:50.820 --> 0:36:55.900 to do the same. And Jesus reached thousands. He preached 0:36:55.900 --> 0:37:00.140 to thousands of people. But I don't think his motivation. 0:37:01.300 --> 0:37:05.940 Excuse me, I don't think his motivation was was numbers. 0:37:05.940 --> 0:37:09.460 I think his motivation was bringing glory to his father. Yeah. 0:37:09.780 --> 0:37:15.060 And the the the Great Commission, to me, first and foremost, 0:37:15.500 --> 0:37:20.490 it's about honoring God, bringing glory to God. And I 0:37:20.489 --> 0:37:23.890 think I think, as you said before, there's nothing wrong 0:37:23.890 --> 0:37:26.489 with counting our attendance. I certainly did for the many 0:37:26.489 --> 0:37:28.930 years I was a pastor. There's nothing wrong with that. 0:37:29.890 --> 0:37:32.370 But I don't think Heaven is impressed with the fact 0:37:32.370 --> 0:37:34.370 that we're running a hundred more this year than we 0:37:34.370 --> 0:37:38.530 were last year. I, I think what matters there is, 0:37:38.570 --> 0:37:40.170 you know, when we get to heaven, the rewards are 0:37:40.170 --> 0:37:43.569 going to be based on well done, good and faithful servant, 0:37:43.570 --> 0:37:46.650 where we faithful to do what God's called us to do. 0:37:46.650 --> 0:37:50.450 And his great commission is to make disciples who make disciples, 0:37:50.450 --> 0:37:52.410 so that that needs to be the focus. 0:37:52.570 --> 0:37:55.490 Doctor David Nelms, talk a little bit about or explain 0:37:55.489 --> 0:37:58.210 for our listener what this looks like, the work that 0:37:58.210 --> 0:38:01.970 you're doing with the Timothy Initiative, this disciple making making 0:38:01.969 --> 0:38:03.730 disciples who make disciples. 0:38:04.570 --> 0:38:07.250 Yeah. Well, much of the world is made up of 0:38:07.250 --> 0:38:12.529 what's called unreached people, groups and ethnicities that are very few, 0:38:12.530 --> 0:38:16.390 if any, believers. And we're talking about 40% of the 0:38:16.390 --> 0:38:20.069 world's population. 40% plus. And forgive me, I got a 0:38:20.070 --> 0:38:22.110 little cough here. I don't mean to be coughing into 0:38:22.110 --> 0:38:26.830 your microphone there, but, uh. And so we focus there. 0:38:26.870 --> 0:38:30.350 It's basically it's your Muslim, Hindu, Buddhist, animist parts of 0:38:30.350 --> 0:38:33.750 the world. And we're not a sending agency. We simply 0:38:33.790 --> 0:38:36.549 we have national teams who train pastors that we call 0:38:36.550 --> 0:38:39.509 the Pauls. The Pauls recruit members of their church that 0:38:39.510 --> 0:38:43.629 we call Timothy's. The Pauls trained the Timothy's to share 0:38:43.630 --> 0:38:48.070 their story, share God's story out where they live, work, study, shop, play. 0:38:48.469 --> 0:38:52.710 And as those Timothy's lead new believers to Christ, the 0:38:52.710 --> 0:38:55.989 Timothy begins discipling the new believer. Don't bring them back 0:38:55.989 --> 0:38:59.390 to the Paul. The Paul is equipping the Timothy to 0:38:59.430 --> 0:39:02.230 do the work of the ministry, which, if it's anything, 0:39:02.230 --> 0:39:05.590 it's the Great Commission making disciples. And so as the 0:39:05.590 --> 0:39:09.270 Timothy begins discipling his or her Timothy, we call the 0:39:09.270 --> 0:39:13.190 Timothy's Timothy, Titus, just the next generation. That's great. Then 0:39:13.230 --> 0:39:15.500 pretty soon that Titus says, hey, I got a husband 0:39:15.500 --> 0:39:17.620 or I got a wife, or I want my mom 0:39:17.620 --> 0:39:19.980 to hear about this. And they begin bringing in their 0:39:20.180 --> 0:39:22.500 their oikos, their friends and family. And the next thing 0:39:22.500 --> 0:39:27.260 you know, wham! A little churches sprung up. And because, uh, 0:39:27.540 --> 0:39:32.580 because multiplication is in the DNA, the we're not focused 0:39:32.580 --> 0:39:35.540 on making disciples, but disciple makers. The goal is not 0:39:35.540 --> 0:39:37.339 to plant a church. It's to plant a church that 0:39:37.340 --> 0:39:40.740 plants a church. And so it just continues to move. 0:39:40.980 --> 0:39:43.979 And we're just seeing God do some, I mean, book 0:39:43.980 --> 0:39:46.020 of Acts type stuff. Incredible stuff. 0:39:46.060 --> 0:39:48.140 Yeah. And I don't want people to get derailed by 0:39:48.140 --> 0:39:51.299 these numbers because they're so astronomical. But how many churches 0:39:51.300 --> 0:39:54.259 do you anticipate, by the way? These are churches visited 0:39:54.300 --> 0:39:59.260 twice to verify that there's leadership and that there's a 0:39:59.860 --> 0:40:04.419 a gathering that can that constitutes called out ones that 0:40:04.420 --> 0:40:07.219 meet together to grow up in a relationship with God. 0:40:07.260 --> 0:40:12.339 How many churches do you hope to plant here in 2025? 0:40:12.340 --> 0:40:16.839 Five. Well, we're we're on. Uh, we're as it looks 0:40:16.840 --> 0:40:18.600 right now. It looks like it's going to be somewhere 0:40:18.600 --> 0:40:22.280 between 40 and 45,000 churches this year. 0:40:23.080 --> 0:40:24.440 Is that staggering, guys? 0:40:24.480 --> 0:40:25.240 It is staggering. 0:40:25.280 --> 0:40:28.120 And they're verified. This is not just some pipe dream 0:40:28.120 --> 0:40:33.280 or numbers for numbers sake. It's just awesome. Okay, David Nelms, 0:40:33.280 --> 0:40:36.880 I love you, dude. You are such an inspiration to me. 0:40:36.880 --> 0:40:38.879 And I mean that. And you know, I love this 0:40:38.880 --> 0:40:41.279 guy so much. I went to the brass here at 0:40:41.280 --> 0:40:44.160 Moody and I said, I appeal to you, if we're 0:40:44.160 --> 0:40:47.480 looking for a global partner, could we please have the 0:40:47.480 --> 0:40:52.440 Timothy Initiative? So guess what? In 2026, I'm going to 0:40:52.440 --> 0:40:55.839 be going to one of their sites. I don't even 0:40:55.840 --> 0:40:57.640 think I've told you all this. Ali, you've been out 0:40:57.640 --> 0:40:59.759 of the country. I'm going to be going to one 0:40:59.760 --> 0:41:02.360 of their sites. We're going to see unreached people groups 0:41:02.360 --> 0:41:05.000 that are being reached with the gospel and then discipled, 0:41:05.440 --> 0:41:07.319 and then we're going to come back home and we're 0:41:07.320 --> 0:41:10.600 going to have a big investment in what Ty is doing. 0:41:10.640 --> 0:41:11.360 Isn't that cool? 0:41:11.400 --> 0:41:11.910 Oh That's. 0:41:11.910 --> 0:41:15.469 Awesome. Okay, so let's break it down here. David. Uh, 0:41:15.469 --> 0:41:18.550 what I want from you today is three rock solid 0:41:18.590 --> 0:41:22.990 truths of disciple making. And I just got a hunch 0:41:22.989 --> 0:41:24.790 these things are going to jar us a little bit, 0:41:24.790 --> 0:41:26.830 so let's go. What are they for? You, my man. 0:41:27.270 --> 0:41:30.029 Yeah. Number one, I would say for me personally. Now, 0:41:30.030 --> 0:41:34.630 this is for me. I would say more important, the 0:41:34.630 --> 0:41:37.470 most important thing about the Great Commission or about making 0:41:37.469 --> 0:41:41.270 disciple makers, which is the Great Commission, is not what 0:41:41.270 --> 0:41:44.350 you do, but why you do it. Uh, I believe 0:41:44.390 --> 0:41:47.149 God is more concerned with why we do what we 0:41:47.150 --> 0:41:51.150 do than he is with what we do. Making disciples 0:41:51.150 --> 0:41:55.150 who make disciples, that's what we do. That's the Great Commission. 0:41:55.710 --> 0:41:59.550 But why do we do it? I think the why 0:41:59.590 --> 0:42:04.109 behind the what, the why behind the Great Commission is 0:42:04.110 --> 0:42:08.470 the great commandment. Yes. When Jesus, when Jesus was asked, 0:42:08.469 --> 0:42:11.250 what is the greatest of all the commandments. He did 0:42:11.250 --> 0:42:16.330 not say, go make disciples. He did say, Love God 0:42:16.330 --> 0:42:21.009 with all your heart. Love your neighbor as yourself. And 0:42:21.010 --> 0:42:23.730 what I have found is this Carl. I grew up 0:42:23.730 --> 0:42:27.570 being taught to keep the main thing. The main thing. Yup. And. 0:42:27.610 --> 0:42:29.969 And what the pastor's always meant by that was the 0:42:29.969 --> 0:42:33.410 main thing was the Great Commission. But they were right 0:42:33.410 --> 0:42:35.370 that we should keep the main thing. The main thing. 0:42:35.370 --> 0:42:36.490 But that's the what? 0:42:36.930 --> 0:42:40.610 Yes. That's the what. The the main thing is, is 0:42:40.610 --> 0:42:44.730 loving God, loving people and watch. If you love God, 0:42:45.290 --> 0:42:48.890 you're going to want to please him, honor him, obey him. I, 0:42:48.890 --> 0:42:51.770 I have a bunch of grandkids. I don't have any 0:42:51.770 --> 0:42:54.730 problem talking to people about my grandkids because I love 0:42:54.730 --> 0:42:58.370 my grandkids, and I want them to know about my grandkids. 0:42:58.370 --> 0:43:00.130 If I love God, I'm going to want people to 0:43:00.170 --> 0:43:03.370 know about my father. And if I love people, I'm 0:43:03.370 --> 0:43:06.770 going to want them to have to experience God's grace 0:43:06.770 --> 0:43:09.960 and his forgiveness and have joy and peace in their 0:43:09.960 --> 0:43:12.640 hearts and and be able to walk on gold one 0:43:12.640 --> 0:43:16.040 day for all eternity in heaven. So if you love 0:43:16.080 --> 0:43:20.560 God and love people, the the Great Commission will just 0:43:20.560 --> 0:43:23.640 naturally it's not a it. It's no longer a duty 0:43:23.640 --> 0:43:25.920 or a command even see outflow. 0:43:26.200 --> 0:43:27.160 Yeah. Yeah. 0:43:27.719 --> 0:43:30.920 So so the main thing see, I think, I think 0:43:30.960 --> 0:43:36.160 our problem is not the great. I think our problem, Karl. 0:43:36.160 --> 0:43:38.040 My problem. It's a love thing. 0:43:38.080 --> 0:43:38.400 Yes. 0:43:38.440 --> 0:43:40.680 When I love God with all my heart and I 0:43:40.680 --> 0:43:44.040 love people, the great, the great Commission is like taking 0:43:44.040 --> 0:43:45.520 candy from a baby bro. 0:43:45.560 --> 0:43:48.359 This is so spot on. I mean, come on, we 0:43:48.360 --> 0:43:51.719 could stop right there. Let's get two more, though. What 0:43:51.719 --> 0:43:56.640 are these rock solid truths of disciple-making? Number one, love 0:43:56.680 --> 0:43:59.239 God and the Great Commission will flow out of it. 0:43:59.239 --> 0:44:00.560 Number two, what do you say? 0:44:01.160 --> 0:44:05.560 Yeah. Really? Really. Be filled with the Holy Spirit. Amen. 0:44:05.600 --> 0:44:09.380 And in acts one and verse eight, when his last 0:44:09.380 --> 0:44:12.580 statement before he went back to heaven. His last words, 0:44:12.820 --> 0:44:15.340 and I'm going to paraphrase it, he said, I'm sending 0:44:15.340 --> 0:44:18.700 the Holy Spirit and he is going to give you 0:44:18.940 --> 0:44:22.020 the power you need to be my witnesses. I know 0:44:22.020 --> 0:44:25.500 the Holy Spirit has many ministries, is given for many reasons. 0:44:25.860 --> 0:44:29.180 But in our Lord's final statement, he directly connected the 0:44:29.180 --> 0:44:33.219 dots of the coming of the Holy Spirit with power 0:44:33.380 --> 0:44:37.700 to witness. And I believe, I believe, by the way, 0:44:37.739 --> 0:44:40.580 a witness is just simply someone who tells what they've seen, heard, 0:44:40.620 --> 0:44:45.739 know to be the truth. It's not techniques. It's not strategies. 0:44:46.020 --> 0:44:47.819 It's being filled with the spirit. 0:44:48.219 --> 0:44:48.620 And. 0:44:49.500 --> 0:44:52.660 Filled with the spirit. The spirit produces the fruit of 0:44:52.660 --> 0:44:56.020 the spirit in your life. And it is that love, 0:44:56.060 --> 0:44:59.940 that joy, that peace, that patience. It's all that fruit. 0:44:59.940 --> 0:45:04.500 That's what God uses to draw like a magnet people 0:45:04.540 --> 0:45:09.080 to Jesus Christ. And so I would say, uh, make, 0:45:09.120 --> 0:45:12.520 make much of the Holy Spirit, uh, every day. My 0:45:12.520 --> 0:45:16.600 first prayer in my life, every single day is, father, 0:45:16.600 --> 0:45:20.920 fill me with your Holy Spirit. And so, Carl, this 0:45:20.920 --> 0:45:23.480 is important to me because I grew up, uh, to me, 0:45:23.480 --> 0:45:26.760 the Holy Spirit was more of a doctrine. Uh. 0:45:27.120 --> 0:45:27.719 I'm with you. 0:45:28.160 --> 0:45:31.919 Yeah. And so, you know, see? Oh, God the father, 0:45:31.960 --> 0:45:35.080 God the son, God the Holy Scriptures, as opposed to 0:45:35.120 --> 0:45:38.360 God the Holy Spirit. So when the Holy Spirit is 0:45:38.360 --> 0:45:41.680 alive in your heart and and and you are, you're 0:45:41.680 --> 0:45:45.759 listening to him, and and your desire is to be 0:45:45.800 --> 0:45:50.000 under his control. Again, the Great Commission just flows out 0:45:50.000 --> 0:45:50.759 of that. 0:45:50.800 --> 0:45:53.000 Doctor David Nelms, our guest right now, founder of the 0:45:53.000 --> 0:45:56.200 Timothy Initiative. Okay. In these last minute or two, give 0:45:56.200 --> 0:45:58.879 us that third. What's that third rock solid truth of 0:45:58.880 --> 0:45:59.880 disciple making. 0:46:00.360 --> 0:46:04.080 Yeah, I would say it's understanding, uh, what's often called 0:46:04.080 --> 0:46:07.710 obedience based Base discipleship here in the States, most of 0:46:07.710 --> 0:46:11.509 our discipling is knowledge base. It's just knowledge on top 0:46:11.510 --> 0:46:15.390 of knowledge, fact on top of fact. So we know it. 0:46:15.710 --> 0:46:18.990 But knowing it and doing it are two different things. Um, 0:46:20.310 --> 0:46:24.350 the Great Commission passage, Matthew 2820 Jesus did not say, 0:46:24.870 --> 0:46:28.830 teach those new believers everything I commanded you. He said, 0:46:28.830 --> 0:46:33.550 teach them to observe or obey everything I commanded you. 0:46:33.830 --> 0:46:37.029 And so, uh, I heard somebody say once, there's no 0:46:37.030 --> 0:46:40.630 please in the Great Commission. It's it's not a request. 0:46:40.870 --> 0:46:43.390 It's it's it's it's it is a command. It's more 0:46:43.390 --> 0:46:47.430 than a command, but it is a command and understanding 0:46:47.430 --> 0:46:51.230 that that it's it's not learning. It's not memorizing the 0:46:51.230 --> 0:46:54.870 Romans Road or the three circles or the four spiritual laws, 0:46:55.430 --> 0:46:58.390 or even how to share your, your story. It's it's 0:46:58.390 --> 0:47:02.870 understanding that the King of kings, the one with all authority, 0:47:03.270 --> 0:47:07.050 the one that snaps his fingers and heaven jumps. He 0:47:07.050 --> 0:47:11.970 has told us to go out, share the gospel, make disciples. 0:47:12.090 --> 0:47:15.770 When we obey him, that is what brings him glory. 0:47:15.770 --> 0:47:19.090 So it's obedience based disciple making. 0:47:20.530 --> 0:47:23.170 This is so right on. You know, I actually called 0:47:23.170 --> 0:47:26.290 David guys here. Just, uh, what was this a couple 0:47:26.290 --> 0:47:30.650 of months ago? I said, what's the what's the game changer? 0:47:30.650 --> 0:47:32.330 You get this love guy, you get all this stuff 0:47:32.330 --> 0:47:34.330 cooking here, and he goes, at the end of the day, 0:47:35.010 --> 0:47:36.890 we've got to we got to get rid of this 0:47:36.890 --> 0:47:40.770 notion that calling for obedience is legalism. That's another thing 0:47:40.770 --> 0:47:44.810 that's happened here, David, is that we've we've reduced obedience, 0:47:44.810 --> 0:47:49.730 discipleship down to, oh, that must be legalism. That's not legalism. 0:47:49.730 --> 0:47:54.010 Legalism is foisting something on people that God never intended. 0:47:54.010 --> 0:47:56.810 Obedience is alignment of our life with God so that 0:47:56.810 --> 0:48:00.650 our lives change. And this is beautiful. I got to 0:48:00.650 --> 0:48:04.759 tell you, great Commission is the what? Here's the three 0:48:05.480 --> 0:48:08.839 really whys. You might ask, why do you do this, guys? 0:48:08.880 --> 0:48:13.000 That's what David just said. Love the Lord your God. Heart, soul, mind, strength. 0:48:13.880 --> 0:48:17.600 Be filled with the Holy Spirit. Yes, an obedience based discipleship. 0:48:17.920 --> 0:48:20.760 David Nelms I love you, hot dog. You are such 0:48:20.760 --> 0:48:23.120 a blessing and we're grateful to have you in here. 0:48:23.120 --> 0:48:29.360 If you want more, text disciple to (800) 555-7898. Text disciple 0:48:29.400 --> 0:48:34.040 to 800 555 7898. Thank you so much, Doctor David Nelms, 0:48:34.040 --> 0:48:35.280 for being with us this morning. 0:48:35.719 --> 0:48:37.080 Thank you. My pleasure. 0:48:37.880 --> 0:48:38.760 What a guy, huh? 0:48:38.800 --> 0:48:39.240 Yeah. 0:48:40.320 --> 0:48:41.320 Is that rich? 0:48:42.000 --> 0:48:43.480 That's a lot to chew on. 0:48:44.280 --> 0:48:47.919 Three little points. That's a lot to chew on. 0:48:47.920 --> 0:48:51.960 Text disciple to 800 555, 78, 98. 0:48:53.280 --> 0:48:56.120 This is Carl and crew on Moody Radio. 0:48:56.160 --> 0:48:59.280 One of the challenging things living in the West is 0:48:59.280 --> 0:49:04.900 that we look at experiences through our grid. Oftentimes, our 0:49:04.940 --> 0:49:11.660 absence of experiences dictates how we make judgments on other people. 0:49:12.060 --> 0:49:14.540 Just take what's going on in Afghanistan. I heard a 0:49:14.540 --> 0:49:18.980 story just recently. Uh, I think this was it might 0:49:19.020 --> 0:49:25.700 have been Pakistan, but here again, I heard an amazing story. 0:49:25.780 --> 0:49:27.420 This is my bride that was telling me this when 0:49:27.420 --> 0:49:31.820 she heard it on Moody Radio. Um. A woman has 0:49:31.820 --> 0:49:37.060 a vision of Jesus. This is happening all the time. 0:49:38.260 --> 0:49:41.620 And the. And the words were. She had never heard 0:49:41.620 --> 0:49:46.380 anything about the Bible. Come to me. You're weary. You're 0:49:46.380 --> 0:49:49.260 heavy laden. I'm going to give you rest. Take my 0:49:49.420 --> 0:49:52.180 yoke upon you. She didn't know it was Jesus, but 0:49:52.180 --> 0:49:55.299 she knew that this was God talking to her. So 0:49:55.300 --> 0:49:58.340 she went on this hunt to find out who is. 0:49:58.500 --> 0:50:01.410 Who is this God? And what came out of it 0:50:01.410 --> 0:50:05.969 was she. She actually met someone who knew the Lord 0:50:06.570 --> 0:50:10.130 and said, I can tell you where that quote comes from, 0:50:10.130 --> 0:50:13.049 opens the scriptures and shows her. And she says, this is, 0:50:13.050 --> 0:50:17.450 this is my God, bowed and knee surrendered to Jesus, 0:50:17.450 --> 0:50:19.770 and the rest is history. And now it's having ripple 0:50:19.770 --> 0:50:24.850 effects throughout her family. The tendency can be to get 0:50:24.850 --> 0:50:29.370 fixated on the miracle rather than the miracle worker, which 0:50:29.370 --> 0:50:32.090 is God. Yeah, that's the point of where you were. 0:50:32.130 --> 0:50:32.569 They are. 0:50:32.610 --> 0:50:33.090 Totally. 0:50:33.130 --> 0:50:37.650 Totally enamored with the God of miracles, not miracles. 0:50:37.690 --> 0:50:42.090 Absolutely. And the I mean, the occupational hazard of living 0:50:42.090 --> 0:50:47.890 in a wealthy nation is that your wealth and are 0:50:48.090 --> 0:50:49.370 even the poorest people. 0:50:49.810 --> 0:50:49.890 In. 0:50:49.890 --> 0:50:52.930 America. The world is wealthy compared to the rest of 0:50:52.930 --> 0:50:54.730 the world. So this is all of us in the 0:50:54.730 --> 0:50:58.530 same boat of living in a place where physical needs, 0:50:58.530 --> 0:51:02.750 for the most part, are are met. There's access, at least, 0:51:02.750 --> 0:51:08.470 to things that modernize and make life a little bit easier. Yeah, 0:51:08.830 --> 0:51:12.790 the occupational hazard is that the gospel can mean less 0:51:12.790 --> 0:51:16.230 to you when you're not desperate for him. 0:51:17.950 --> 0:51:19.989 This is why we love to say here when you 0:51:19.989 --> 0:51:22.390 feel like, oh man, I am so down. I'm so 0:51:22.390 --> 0:51:24.510 kicked in the teeth I'm at the end of myself. 0:51:24.510 --> 0:51:28.030 That's when you're most strategically positioned. It is to take 0:51:28.030 --> 0:51:33.590 hold of the God of miracles. And if we can 0:51:33.590 --> 0:51:37.790 uninsulated ourselves from the things of earth, and they grow 0:51:37.790 --> 0:51:40.910 strangely dim in the light of his glory and grace. Katy, 0:51:40.910 --> 0:51:42.830 bar the door. We don't know what's going to happen. 0:51:42.870 --> 0:51:46.950 Absolutely. Because this is not a oh, you know, I 0:51:47.590 --> 0:51:52.670 feel like guilty for having. No it's not. It's stewarding 0:51:52.670 --> 0:51:57.230 well what God's given you. But recognizing that man every 0:51:57.270 --> 0:52:00.420 opportunity we need God, whether we have much or little 0:52:00.739 --> 0:52:02.020 in the physical sense. 0:52:03.820 --> 0:52:07.100 Yeah. So here's here's an exercise, just a quick one 0:52:07.140 --> 0:52:11.700 just on my heart here. Let's let's just imagine that 0:52:11.700 --> 0:52:15.180 all the stuff that we're trusting in that just faded 0:52:15.180 --> 0:52:19.380 to the background and all we have is Jesus. That's 0:52:19.380 --> 0:52:24.260 all we have. And in truth, that is all we have. 0:52:24.300 --> 0:52:27.060 It is. That's the only thing that we have that's certain. 0:52:27.820 --> 0:52:32.140 But what if we could really cling to the Lord today? 0:52:32.140 --> 0:52:35.339 I mean, cling to him and say, God, you are 0:52:35.380 --> 0:52:43.780 Jehovah Jireh. You're my provider. You're my healer. You're the 0:52:43.780 --> 0:52:48.980 banner of love. You. You are everything. God. And if 0:52:48.980 --> 0:52:51.500 we could just for a moment, right now. Just let 0:52:51.500 --> 0:52:54.819 the things of earth grow strangely dim in the light 0:52:54.820 --> 0:52:58.180 of God's glory and grace. Look out, look out!