WEBVTT - Hour 2: Our Christmas Bible Study 0:00:09.020 --> 0:00:11.960 Hello friends. It's time for the second hour of Open 0:00:11.960 --> 0:00:17.150 Line with Doctor Michael Radonich Moody Radio's Bible Study Across America. 0:00:17.750 --> 0:00:21.620 We're talking about your questions about the Bible, God and 0:00:21.620 --> 0:00:24.380 the spiritual life. My name is Michael Ray Dolnick. I'm 0:00:24.380 --> 0:00:27.620 a professor of Jewish studies and Bible at Moody Bible Institute, 0:00:27.620 --> 0:00:31.520 also the academic dean there. And I'm so glad to 0:00:31.520 --> 0:00:34.220 be sitting around the radio kitchen table with you, taking 0:00:34.220 --> 0:00:40.790 your questions. Time to give me a call. (877) 548-3675 is 0:00:40.790 --> 0:00:47.809 our number. That's (877) 548-3675. Remember, if you can't call, you 0:00:47.810 --> 0:00:51.919 can always go to our website openline radio.org. Click on 0:00:51.920 --> 0:00:56.090 Ask Michael a question and post your question there. Trish 0:00:56.090 --> 0:00:58.190 will put it in the mailbag. And if you ask 0:00:58.190 --> 0:01:00.810 a really good Christmas question. She'll try and get it 0:01:00.810 --> 0:01:04.890 in today on the mailbag, even today if you do it. 0:01:04.890 --> 0:01:07.620 But it's only got to be. You can ask any question, 0:01:07.620 --> 0:01:09.539 but if you want it today, you got to try 0:01:09.540 --> 0:01:12.300 to get a Christmas question in. I hope you have 0:01:12.300 --> 0:01:15.600 your Bibles open, and I have my second cup of 0:01:15.600 --> 0:01:18.360 coffee here. We're ready to talk about the scriptures. We're 0:01:18.360 --> 0:01:20.699 going to go right back to the phones, to Amy 0:01:20.700 --> 0:01:24.450 in Chicago listening on Wmbi. Welcome to Open Line, Amy. 0:01:24.480 --> 0:01:25.979 How can I help you today? 0:01:26.610 --> 0:01:30.780 Morning, brother. God bless you. Um. You too. Only on 0:01:30.780 --> 0:01:33.390 your second cup of coffee. I'm way ahead of you, man, 0:01:33.720 --> 0:01:39.899 but I'm on about my 12th. So listen, yesterday we 0:01:39.900 --> 0:01:44.280 were reading in Jeremiah 33, and I was a little 0:01:44.280 --> 0:01:50.100 surprised at this. It says that, uh, David will never 0:01:50.100 --> 0:01:53.670 lack a man to sit on the throne, and there 0:01:53.670 --> 0:01:58.110 will never be a lack of priests through offering Offerings 0:01:58.110 --> 0:02:01.980 and sacrifices, presumably in the temple. And and you know, 0:02:02.010 --> 0:02:05.190 God says, this is my covenant. It'll never be broken. 0:02:05.190 --> 0:02:08.130 And I was just thinking how I'm confused. And my 0:02:08.130 --> 0:02:10.109 husband and I said, oh, we got to call Doctor 0:02:10.110 --> 0:02:12.119 Rydell because, oh, good. 0:02:12.120 --> 0:02:15.600 Thank you for doing that, I appreciate it. Uh. Happy 0:02:15.600 --> 0:02:19.380 to happy to answer. Uh, here's the deal. Let's start 0:02:19.380 --> 0:02:23.700 with the priest. After the temple was destroyed and there 0:02:23.700 --> 0:02:27.780 no longer any sacrifices, there was always the anticipation that 0:02:27.780 --> 0:02:32.190 there was a, uh, a priest that would that we 0:02:32.190 --> 0:02:35.250 would need priests to offer sacrifices again because the temple 0:02:35.250 --> 0:02:40.170 would be rebuilt. And so, as a result, every generation 0:02:40.169 --> 0:02:43.680 of Jewish people have passed on from generation to generation, 0:02:43.680 --> 0:02:47.730 whether they are a priest or a Levite. So, for example, 0:02:47.730 --> 0:02:51.390 I know that I'm a Levi, a Levite. My dad 0:02:51.419 --> 0:02:54.780 told me that that's part of my name, actually, because 0:02:54.780 --> 0:02:58.090 I'm the son of my Hebrew name says Son of 0:02:58.090 --> 0:03:03.010 Isaac the Levite, which makes me a Levite. Okay. And 0:03:03.010 --> 0:03:05.950 so that's been passed on for a couple thousand years now. 0:03:06.130 --> 0:03:08.710 Generation to generation of Jewish people. So we know who 0:03:08.740 --> 0:03:11.140 the priests and Levites, you see it in Jewish names. 0:03:11.139 --> 0:03:15.220 If you see someone named Levi. That's Levi. Yes. You see. 0:03:15.220 --> 0:03:15.640 It in. 0:03:15.850 --> 0:03:21.430 Right? Kohen means priest. So we know Kohen. Uh, and 0:03:21.460 --> 0:03:25.000 on my mom's side, I was a Kohen. But my 0:03:25.000 --> 0:03:29.710 mom was a kohen because that was her family's line. However, 0:03:29.980 --> 0:03:33.130 you get it from the dad. So though my mom, 0:03:33.160 --> 0:03:40.600 a Kohen, a priest, married a Levite, their children were Levites. Okay. 0:03:40.630 --> 0:03:46.510 So that's that's how it passes down. Okay. Uh, but there. 0:03:46.540 --> 0:03:50.860 So there's never been a priest lacking. Israel has priests. 0:03:50.860 --> 0:03:54.190 We just don't have a temple to offer sacrifice. Now, 0:03:54.190 --> 0:03:57.230 when the. When the Davidic line ended, there's always been 0:03:57.230 --> 0:04:00.170 the rightful king to come from the Davidic line. There's 0:04:00.170 --> 0:04:02.840 never been a person lacking to sit on the throne 0:04:02.870 --> 0:04:05.180 of David. The problem is the throne of David has 0:04:05.180 --> 0:04:10.460 not been established. So, for example, Zerubbabel, who plays a 0:04:10.460 --> 0:04:14.810 prominent role, for example, in the book of Zechariah and 0:04:15.320 --> 0:04:19.130 that and also in the book of Haggai. Zerubbabel was 0:04:19.130 --> 0:04:22.880 from the line of David. He was the scion, scion, 0:04:22.910 --> 0:04:25.640 the descendant of David, that would have sit on, sat 0:04:25.640 --> 0:04:28.580 on the throne, but there was no throne of David allowed. 0:04:28.580 --> 0:04:31.640 So therefore, even when there wasn't a king, there was 0:04:31.640 --> 0:04:35.180 always someone from the line of David available until the 0:04:35.180 --> 0:04:38.960 coming of the messianic King. And he is the fulfillment 0:04:38.960 --> 0:04:42.349 of that line. And there's still no one lacking to 0:04:42.380 --> 0:04:45.320 sit on the throne because he will return. When you 0:04:45.320 --> 0:04:48.020 read Isaiah nine six, we always look at Isaiah nine 0:04:48.050 --> 0:04:50.780 six and it says that unto us a son is born, 0:04:50.810 --> 0:04:54.140 unto us a child is given. That's clearly talking about 0:04:54.140 --> 0:05:00.470 the first coming of the Messiah, his birth for us. However, 0:05:00.470 --> 0:05:04.250 verse seven, there's I believe there's a huge gap between 0:05:04.250 --> 0:05:08.180 Isaiah nine six and nine seven. Nine seven will be 0:05:08.180 --> 0:05:13.159 fulfilled when he returns. It says his dominion will be 0:05:13.160 --> 0:05:16.849 vast and its prosperity will never end. This king who 0:05:16.850 --> 0:05:19.820 is born from the line of David. He will reign 0:05:19.820 --> 0:05:23.150 on the throne of David and over his kingdom to 0:05:23.180 --> 0:05:27.200 establish and sustain it with justice and righteousness. So the 0:05:27.200 --> 0:05:29.750 messianic King is going to sit on the throne of David. 0:05:29.750 --> 0:05:31.580 So we don't lack a person to sit on the 0:05:31.580 --> 0:05:33.380 throne of David. We just need to wait for it 0:05:33.380 --> 0:05:35.900 to be established. Okay. 0:05:36.260 --> 0:05:40.400 Mm. Okay. All right. Well, thank you very much. 0:05:40.490 --> 0:05:43.880 Yep. Thanks for your question. Really appreciate it. Uh, we're 0:05:43.880 --> 0:05:47.240 going to speak with Carmen in South Carolina listening online. 0:05:47.240 --> 0:05:49.820 Welcome to Open Line. Carmen. How can I help you today? 0:05:51.020 --> 0:05:52.770 Hi. How are you doing? 0:05:52.800 --> 0:05:54.540 I'm well, thank you. 0:05:55.800 --> 0:05:58.380 Oh, good. I was looking at the book of acts, 0:05:58.410 --> 0:06:05.279 chapter 16, verse 31, where, um, Paul and Silas tell 0:06:05.279 --> 0:06:08.820 the jailer, uh, believe in the Lord Jesus and you 0:06:08.820 --> 0:06:12.839 will be saved, you and your household. And a friend 0:06:12.839 --> 0:06:14.849 of mine was saying, well, that's you know, you can 0:06:14.850 --> 0:06:20.550 use that prayer to pray for your household, and your 0:06:20.550 --> 0:06:26.490 household will be saved. And I was wondering, is that true? 0:06:27.210 --> 0:06:30.210 Well, we have to ask ourselves, what did Paul mean 0:06:30.210 --> 0:06:32.850 when he said it to the Philippian jailer, believe on 0:06:32.850 --> 0:06:36.270 the Lord Jesus the Messiah, and you will be saved. 0:06:36.270 --> 0:06:44.340 And then there's another implied principle there. And if your 0:06:44.339 --> 0:06:48.000 household believes on the Lord Jesus, they will be saved too. 0:06:48.029 --> 0:06:53.290 It's not limited to you. Philippian jailer. Anyone in your household. 0:06:53.290 --> 0:06:55.779 You go home and you tell them and they believe 0:06:55.779 --> 0:06:57.909 they will be saved. It's not a guarantee that his 0:06:57.910 --> 0:07:00.970 household would be saved. It's the same principle if you 0:07:00.970 --> 0:07:05.650 believe you'll be saved. If your family believes they'll be saved. 0:07:06.070 --> 0:07:07.419 That's. That's what. 0:07:07.420 --> 0:07:15.550 It means. Now, should we pray for our families? Absolutely. Absolutely. 0:07:15.760 --> 0:07:17.680 You know what I think is so interesting? There's only 0:07:17.680 --> 0:07:21.550 one verse in the whole Bible that talks about praying 0:07:21.550 --> 0:07:26.470 for lost people. Almost every verse about evangelism, where it 0:07:26.470 --> 0:07:30.130 talks about prayer, it's praying for the evangelist, for the 0:07:30.130 --> 0:07:33.940 person sharing the gospel. Only one verse does it talk 0:07:33.970 --> 0:07:36.430 about praying for lost people to come to know the Lord. 0:07:37.150 --> 0:07:43.720 You know what verse that is? No, it's Romans ten one. Uh, 0:07:43.720 --> 0:07:46.060 it's where Paul is talking about his people, Israel. And 0:07:46.060 --> 0:07:48.520 he says, my heart's desire and prayer to God for 0:07:48.520 --> 0:07:52.000 them is that they might be saved. My heart's desire 0:07:52.000 --> 0:07:54.970 and prayer to God for them as they might be saved. 0:07:54.970 --> 0:07:58.510 That establishes a principle, because Paul could pray for Jewish 0:07:58.510 --> 0:08:00.820 people to come to know the Lord and be saved. 0:08:01.000 --> 0:08:04.000 That means we can pray for any lost person. 0:08:04.720 --> 0:08:04.870 To. 0:08:04.900 --> 0:08:08.920 Come to know the Lord and be saved. So definitely 0:08:08.920 --> 0:08:11.560 we should pray for our families so that they can 0:08:11.560 --> 0:08:13.150 be saved. Okay. 0:08:14.110 --> 0:08:15.790 Okay. Thank you so much. 0:08:15.820 --> 0:08:21.040 Yeah. My pleasure. Thanks so much for calling. Uh, you know, 0:08:21.070 --> 0:08:25.660 so often, uh, we are reading the scriptures more, I hope, 0:08:25.660 --> 0:08:28.750 and we're getting ready to read the scriptures more for 0:08:28.750 --> 0:08:33.790 this upcoming new year. 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It doesn't have to be a Christmas question. 0:10:35.240 --> 0:10:37.130 But if you have one now is the time to 0:10:37.160 --> 0:10:40.370 call to get your Christmas question in. This is Michael 0:10:40.370 --> 0:10:42.620 Ray Dolnick. The program is called Open Line. You're listening 0:10:42.650 --> 0:10:45.600 to Moody Radio, and we'll be right back in And 0:10:45.600 --> 0:10:47.490 just a moment. So stay with us. 0:10:57.270 --> 0:11:11.190 Lonely shepherds on quiet rocky hills. In the coldness of 0:11:11.190 --> 0:11:26.280 the night. Dreaming of the one called Messiah. Loving shepherd 0:11:26.640 --> 0:11:29.250 of Israel. 0:11:30.030 --> 0:11:33.630 Well, then you came. 0:11:33.690 --> 0:11:37.290 That's my dear friend Fagel Fagel Brooks. 0:11:37.590 --> 0:11:38.070 With. 0:11:38.070 --> 0:11:44.490 Her original composition for Christmas. And you know Fagel and 0:11:44.500 --> 0:11:47.020 her husband Lee and I have been friends. Eve and 0:11:47.020 --> 0:11:50.650 I have been friends with them o for over 50 years, 0:11:50.650 --> 0:11:56.350 which is just amazing. And she is the most biblically 0:11:56.350 --> 0:12:01.450 literate person you'll ever meet. She's phenomenal. And her songs, 0:12:01.450 --> 0:12:06.010 which have most people never heard of but I have, uh, 0:12:06.010 --> 0:12:09.099 are so biblical, so wonderful, really appreciate it. And I 0:12:09.100 --> 0:12:11.920 think she sounds better than Judy Collins. So there we go. 0:12:11.950 --> 0:12:15.310 That's that's my friend. Well, maybe we'll find that song 0:12:15.309 --> 0:12:17.470 and get it posted on Facebook so you can hear 0:12:17.470 --> 0:12:21.460 the whole song, but it's a great one. Uh, she's, 0:12:21.700 --> 0:12:27.520 she's someone that that really communicates truth in her music. Now, uh, 0:12:28.809 --> 0:12:34.180 we are, uh, we're facing really kind of an amazing 0:12:34.210 --> 0:12:38.500 time here because I, I got to meet last week 0:12:38.530 --> 0:12:40.720 at the at the start of the Christmas season, it 0:12:40.720 --> 0:12:44.800 was Candlelight Carols at Moody Bible Institute. People came from 0:12:44.800 --> 0:12:47.290 all over the country to celebrate and to be part 0:12:47.290 --> 0:12:50.979 of this great concert. It was just wonderful. And I 0:12:50.980 --> 0:12:53.800 was standing in the Commons at Moody Bible Institute, and 0:12:53.800 --> 0:12:56.890 I can't tell you how many people came up and said, 0:12:56.890 --> 0:12:59.860 I'm a kitchen table partner. 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That's (888) 644-7122. And we're going to go 0:14:26.990 --> 0:14:29.720 to the phones now Mark in Des Plaines Illinois listening 0:14:29.720 --> 0:14:32.510 on Wmbi. Welcome to Open Line. Mark. How can I 0:14:32.540 --> 0:14:33.110 help you. 0:14:33.230 --> 0:14:37.130 Good morning. Good morning doctor. My daughter asked me a 0:14:37.130 --> 0:14:41.460 question about the identity of Jesus Uh, Christ the Son 0:14:41.460 --> 0:14:44.820 of God. And, uh, she said, when did he become 0:14:44.820 --> 0:14:48.900 considered the son? Was he considered the son at the 0:14:48.900 --> 0:14:52.800 creation of the earth, or only after he had been begotten? 0:14:54.420 --> 0:14:58.560 Uh, it seems to me that the best way to. 0:14:58.680 --> 0:15:02.760 There are some people who held to a wrong teaching. 0:15:02.790 --> 0:15:07.050 I'll just say it that way. Uh, not not something 0:15:07.050 --> 0:15:10.530 that casts them out of the community of faith. It's 0:15:10.530 --> 0:15:14.520 not an essential doctrine, but it was a mistaken one 0:15:14.520 --> 0:15:20.100 called incarnational sonship, that the Lord Jesus only became the 0:15:20.100 --> 0:15:24.420 Son of God at the incarnation. He is the eternal 0:15:24.420 --> 0:15:27.870 Son of God, the the Triune God. Though we may 0:15:27.870 --> 0:15:31.860 not have used these terms or known about it. Uh, 0:15:32.100 --> 0:15:37.050 so much before the incarnation. The Triune God is father, son, 0:15:37.080 --> 0:15:41.580 Holy Spirit. He's Eternally the Son of God. Uh, those 0:15:41.580 --> 0:15:46.110 are terms to indicate how the the Triune. They're all 0:15:46.110 --> 0:15:51.840 fully equal. Uh, equal. Equal in essence, but different in function. 0:15:51.840 --> 0:15:57.300 And as a result, uh, the relation I think those 0:15:57.300 --> 0:16:00.570 are terms used to help us understand the function of 0:16:00.570 --> 0:16:04.500 father and son and Holy Spirit. And so that's what 0:16:04.500 --> 0:16:08.010 it's there for. Uh, he's always been the Son of God, 0:16:08.010 --> 0:16:12.690 the eternal Son of God. And and he didn't just 0:16:12.690 --> 0:16:16.200 become the Son of God at the incarnation or at creation. 0:16:16.200 --> 0:16:20.520 It was always, he's the eternal Son of God. Okay. 0:16:21.600 --> 0:16:26.340 I think so. Uh, so I understand that he's with God. 0:16:26.340 --> 0:16:30.180 John says always, and he's God. Mhm. I just couldn't 0:16:30.180 --> 0:16:33.840 understand how to answer my young daughter. And it is 0:16:33.840 --> 0:16:34.500 someone who I thought. 0:16:34.620 --> 0:16:39.250 It's a simple answer. He's in in eternity past, before 0:16:39.280 --> 0:16:43.300 time began, the father and the son and the Holy 0:16:43.300 --> 0:16:47.650 Spirit eternally existed as father, son, and Holy Spirit. 0:16:48.970 --> 0:16:49.900 All right. 0:16:50.380 --> 0:16:54.550 That's it. Thank you. There's one God in three persons. 0:16:54.550 --> 0:16:57.370 And and boy, I tell you what, when you start 0:16:57.640 --> 0:17:00.070 trying to think about. How do I understand the Trinity? 0:17:00.100 --> 0:17:03.609 You know, I, I would say that that's one of 0:17:03.610 --> 0:17:07.000 those things that if you try to really completely comprehend 0:17:07.000 --> 0:17:12.700 it for me, I'd lose my mind if I, I 0:17:12.700 --> 0:17:15.550 don't I don't know that I could fully comprehend it, 0:17:15.550 --> 0:17:19.780 but I accept it. I believe it eternally. Uh, father, son, 0:17:19.810 --> 0:17:24.370 Holy Spirit, one God, three persons, and and and I 0:17:24.369 --> 0:17:27.129 just accept that. I do too. 0:17:27.160 --> 0:17:28.119 Thank you very much. 0:17:28.750 --> 0:17:31.869 Thank you. Great talking with you. Okay. We're going to 0:17:31.869 --> 0:17:35.170 talk to Brandon in Boynton Beach, Florida, listening on Wmbb. 0:17:35.440 --> 0:17:38.330 Welcome to Open Line. Brandon. How can I help you today? 0:17:39.140 --> 0:17:41.659 Yes. Hi. Um, I wanted to know, is there a 0:17:41.660 --> 0:17:45.770 specific passage in Genesis or elsewhere that indicates when Satan 0:17:45.770 --> 0:17:48.500 was cast to Earth in the timeline of creation? 0:17:51.080 --> 0:17:54.260 Uh, it just says in revelation 12 that he was 0:17:54.260 --> 0:17:59.540 cast out. Uh, not in Genesis. Doesn't say anything about 0:17:59.540 --> 0:18:08.390 that in Genesis. Uh, it says in revelation 12. Uh. 0:18:10.430 --> 0:18:17.420 The dragon stood in. Let's see. Wait. Here it is. Uh, 0:18:18.290 --> 0:18:20.719 the red dragon having seven heads and ten horns. The 0:18:20.720 --> 0:18:22.699 dragon is Satan, by the way, and his heads were 0:18:22.700 --> 0:18:26.000 seven diadems. His tail swept away a third of the 0:18:26.000 --> 0:18:29.330 stars in heaven and hurled them to the earth. And 0:18:29.330 --> 0:18:33.590 the dragon then tried to destroy the. The baby Jesus 0:18:33.619 --> 0:18:37.369 is what that says. So it's just he took a 0:18:37.369 --> 0:18:39.470 third of the heavens with him. He was cast out. 0:18:39.500 --> 0:18:43.879 Other passage that, uh, talks about the fall of Satan. 0:18:44.359 --> 0:18:46.910 I'm not sure. It talks about him being cast out. 0:18:46.940 --> 0:18:52.280 Is Ezekiel 28. I have to take a quick look 0:18:52.310 --> 0:18:55.250 at it here. Ezekiel 28. It says that he was 0:18:55.250 --> 0:18:59.810 in the Garden of Eden. Uh, the Garden of God, 0:18:59.810 --> 0:19:04.280 verse 13. Uh, and it says you are an anointed 0:19:04.280 --> 0:19:07.400 guardian cherub. You are on the holy mountain of God. 0:19:07.400 --> 0:19:10.699 You walked among the fiery stones. That's verse 14 from 0:19:10.700 --> 0:19:12.830 the day you were created. You were blameless in your 0:19:12.830 --> 0:19:18.410 ways until wickedness was found in you. Uh, and so 0:19:18.410 --> 0:19:21.110 it says in verse 17, so I threw you down 0:19:21.109 --> 0:19:26.540 to the earth. I made you a spectacle. So, uh, 0:19:26.869 --> 0:19:30.530 cast out of heaven. Ezekiel 2817 I think that was 0:19:30.530 --> 0:19:32.780 before the garden. He was in the garden of God 0:19:32.780 --> 0:19:37.919 when he was cast out. Then he went to the. 0:19:37.950 --> 0:19:40.530 Then he was cast out on the earth. And when 0:19:40.530 --> 0:19:46.649 God created Eden. Then he went and tried to tempt 0:19:46.650 --> 0:19:51.390 and succeeded in tempting Adam and Eve. That's what I think. So. 0:19:51.780 --> 0:19:54.929 Ezekiel 2817 is when he was cast out of heaven, 0:19:54.930 --> 0:19:58.110 and I think that was pre-creation of humanity. 0:19:59.220 --> 0:20:02.310 Okay, so it was like when Earth was a void 0:20:02.310 --> 0:20:03.359 then in a way. 0:20:05.280 --> 0:20:08.820 I don't I don't know when it was, uh, it was, 0:20:08.820 --> 0:20:12.300 I think before because it was so early in the garden. 0:20:12.300 --> 0:20:15.270 I think he must have fallen early on. Some people 0:20:15.270 --> 0:20:18.119 want to say it's when the right there. Like when 0:20:18.150 --> 0:20:22.770 God creates everything and then, uh, the earth becomes form, 0:20:22.800 --> 0:20:27.179 formless and empty because of Satan's fall. That that's what 0:20:27.180 --> 0:20:29.550 happened to the earth. I think that's speculative. I don't 0:20:29.550 --> 0:20:32.010 think that's the truth. I think that means that God 0:20:32.020 --> 0:20:34.210 created the world to be a wilderness and a waste. 0:20:34.210 --> 0:20:36.970 And then he formed it in six days to be 0:20:37.000 --> 0:20:39.820 what he wanted it to be. I think it was 0:20:39.820 --> 0:20:43.900 a pre-creation fall of the enemy. And then he, uh, 0:20:43.900 --> 0:20:48.400 pre creation of the earth, and then he, uh, what 0:20:48.400 --> 0:20:51.250 he does is he tries to tempt Adam and Eve. 0:20:52.630 --> 0:20:55.209 Okay. Yeah. Thanks. I appreciate it. Sure. 0:20:55.240 --> 0:20:57.370 Thank you for your call. Appreciate it. Of course there's 0:20:57.369 --> 0:21:00.490 speculation there. I don't no one's sure of that, but 0:21:00.490 --> 0:21:03.850 that's what I think. Uh, I want to be really clear. 0:21:03.850 --> 0:21:06.129 Sometimes when I can give you an exact time frame 0:21:06.130 --> 0:21:08.230 that the scriptures say, I'll point it out in Scripture. 0:21:08.230 --> 0:21:10.659 If I'm just kind of looking at what what we 0:21:10.660 --> 0:21:13.209 have in the text, then, um, this is what I 0:21:13.240 --> 0:21:17.770 conjecture from that. So, uh, we're going to talk with 0:21:17.770 --> 0:21:21.850 Rosa next in Palm Beach, Florida, listening on Wmbb. Welcome 0:21:21.850 --> 0:21:24.250 to Open Line, Rosa. How can I help you today? 0:21:25.480 --> 0:21:28.690 Oh, hi. Thanks for answering my call. Actually, I heard 0:21:28.690 --> 0:21:30.670 you say in the beginning that you're from Brooklyn, and 0:21:31.119 --> 0:21:36.609 I grew up in Brooklyn. Um, Riga, Latvia, Soviet Union, Latvia. 0:21:37.330 --> 0:21:40.690 And we're in Brooklyn. Tell me your neighborhood. 0:21:42.700 --> 0:21:44.560 Uh, flatlands. 0:21:45.430 --> 0:21:49.150 Where were you from in Brooklyn? Rosa. Rosa, where were 0:21:49.150 --> 0:21:50.290 you from in Brooklyn? 0:21:51.550 --> 0:21:52.480 Can you hear me? 0:21:52.750 --> 0:21:55.330 No I can't. So where were you from in Brooklyn? 0:21:57.160 --> 0:22:01.240 Uh, Avenue H and 58th Street. Flatlands. Avenue. 0:22:01.270 --> 0:22:03.490 Flatlands. Got it. Okay. 0:22:03.880 --> 0:22:08.800 Not far South Shore High school and, uh, project. Anyway, I, 0:22:09.490 --> 0:22:13.300 you know, moved to Florida. I got married and, um, 0:22:13.420 --> 0:22:19.360 living in Palm Beach now, and I'm complete Jew. Thank god. But, um, 0:22:19.390 --> 0:22:22.930 there's a lot of a lot of, um, speculation where 0:22:22.930 --> 0:22:27.490 people talk about, uh, Eastern European Jews not really being Jewish, 0:22:27.490 --> 0:22:31.490 and I, I mean, my, my Soviet Union birth certificate 0:22:31.490 --> 0:22:34.580 says I'm Hebrew from both sides of my family. But 0:22:34.609 --> 0:22:37.460 is there any way that we can actually prove it, 0:22:37.550 --> 0:22:42.050 besides being the Russian Soviet Union trying to use it 0:22:42.050 --> 0:22:43.130 for anti-Semitism? 0:22:43.190 --> 0:22:45.169 Let me ask you, what was it like for the 0:22:45.170 --> 0:22:49.970 Jewish people in the Soviet Union? How well were they treated? 0:22:51.140 --> 0:22:53.600 Well, I was a child, so I didn't really feel it. 0:22:53.600 --> 0:22:56.960 But my mother, you know, there was a lot of anti-Semitism, 0:22:56.990 --> 0:22:57.290 a lot of. 0:22:57.320 --> 0:22:59.119 Oh, yeah. There was a lot of anti-Semitism. 0:22:59.180 --> 0:23:03.470 Pushing a lot of, you know, my mom said she 0:23:03.470 --> 0:23:05.540 would go for interviews and they would say, oh, don't 0:23:05.540 --> 0:23:07.520 call us. We'll call you that kind of thing where. 0:23:07.970 --> 0:23:08.869 You know, and also. 0:23:09.109 --> 0:23:10.790 Look, studying. Yeah. 0:23:11.390 --> 0:23:18.679 Also before, uh, before the the Soviet Union, in Czarist Russia, 0:23:19.250 --> 0:23:23.630 what was it like for Jewish people? It was even worse. Pogroms. Right? 0:23:23.660 --> 0:23:25.250 I mean, pogroms terrible. 0:23:25.250 --> 0:23:29.070 And of course, during Nazi Germany, you know, and I 0:23:29.070 --> 0:23:31.169 was just watching a program where as soon as the 0:23:31.200 --> 0:23:35.580 Nazis came into, into Russia, into into that part of Europe, 0:23:35.580 --> 0:23:38.609 the everybody was happy to give the Jews up to 0:23:38.640 --> 0:23:39.540 the Nazis. 0:23:39.570 --> 0:23:41.129 Yeah. Now, let me ask you this. 0:23:41.160 --> 0:23:43.830 When you was one of them, the Latvians were worse 0:23:43.830 --> 0:23:48.360 than the Nazis and Ukrainians. Also, the Christian Ukrainians were 0:23:48.359 --> 0:23:49.140 like that, too. 0:23:49.170 --> 0:23:51.449 And I was I. 0:23:51.450 --> 0:23:53.490 Was really I mean, I was a student. 0:23:53.520 --> 0:23:59.970 Teacher. Rosa. Brooklyn. Rosa, wait wait wait wait wait wait. Rosa. Rosa. Rosa! Rosa, wait. Here's. 0:24:00.060 --> 0:24:03.450 Here's the point I'm trying to make. There was so 0:24:03.450 --> 0:24:09.090 much anti-Semitism in Russia, in Eastern Europe. No one would 0:24:09.119 --> 0:24:15.330 opt to become Jewish. Uh, that that that it was 0:24:15.359 --> 0:24:20.790 it was, uh, just unheard of. Uh, those who were 0:24:20.790 --> 0:24:25.740 Russian Orthodox or Ukrainian Catholic or Latvian Orthodox or any 0:24:25.740 --> 0:24:30.750 of those, they would not have become Jewish. So here's 0:24:30.750 --> 0:24:33.119 my here's the thing. Okay. Now I'm going to try 0:24:33.119 --> 0:24:36.690 and answer as best I can. There's an allegation that 0:24:36.690 --> 0:24:42.930 there was a medieval Ukrainian, uh, uh, nation that converted 0:24:42.930 --> 0:24:46.469 to Judaism. It's really not true. The Khazars, as they 0:24:46.500 --> 0:24:50.610 were called, it was just the royalty and nobility converted 0:24:50.609 --> 0:24:56.040 to Judaism. The people didn't. The people became Catholic. And 0:24:56.460 --> 0:25:00.000 there's all sorts of DNA testing that's been done to 0:25:00.030 --> 0:25:04.199 compare Sephardic Jews from the Mediterranean world and the Arab 0:25:04.200 --> 0:25:09.750 world and Ashkenazi Jews from Eastern Europe. And what they 0:25:09.750 --> 0:25:12.510 find is they have a common source, that they're both 0:25:12.510 --> 0:25:19.740 of the same people. So this whole idea that somehow the, uh, 0:25:20.070 --> 0:25:24.630 the Ashkenazi Jews from Eastern Europe were not really Jewish 0:25:24.630 --> 0:25:27.550 because of the Khazars is just a falsehood that's been 0:25:27.550 --> 0:25:31.570 perpetuated to say that Jewish people don't have a right 0:25:31.570 --> 0:25:34.090 to the land of Israel, that they're not the same 0:25:34.090 --> 0:25:38.980 Jewish people, just a falsehood. So don't worry, Rosa, you're 0:25:38.980 --> 0:25:42.040 from a Jewish family. Guess what? You're from a Jewish family. 0:25:42.040 --> 0:25:44.320 We're going to come back with the mailbag in just 0:25:44.320 --> 0:25:46.690 a moment, so don't go away. You're listening to Open 0:25:46.690 --> 0:25:48.670 Line with Michael Zelnick. 0:26:06.760 --> 0:26:14.200 Silent night, Holy night. 0:26:14.920 --> 0:26:18.340 All is calm. 0:26:18.820 --> 0:26:30.460 All is bright. Round yon virgin mother and child. 0:26:30.910 --> 0:26:35.020 Holy infant so. 0:26:35.020 --> 0:26:45.040 Tender and mild. Sleep in heavenly peace. 0:26:45.070 --> 0:26:47.800 There we are. That's the image of what it was 0:26:47.800 --> 0:26:52.750 like in the manger, in the stable, when the Lord 0:26:52.750 --> 0:26:56.169 Jesus was born. And so I've got Tricia McMillan joining 0:26:56.170 --> 0:26:59.530 me right now for the Febc mailbag. And, Tricia, do 0:26:59.530 --> 0:27:03.580 you think that infant only slept and was never, never cried? 0:27:03.640 --> 0:27:08.980 Hahaha, no, I'm sure he cried because there's even though 0:27:08.980 --> 0:27:12.639 he was perfect. I don't think number one that crying 0:27:12.670 --> 0:27:16.990 is what indicates perfection or not crying. And I also 0:27:16.990 --> 0:27:20.740 think that that he he could not speak when he 0:27:20.740 --> 0:27:22.729 was born. And so that is still the only way 0:27:22.760 --> 0:27:26.390 babies have to communicate is through exactly the sounds they make. 0:27:26.420 --> 0:27:30.530 But of course, you know, the imagery of the Nativity 0:27:30.530 --> 0:27:33.530 is that the Lord Jesus was the perfect baby that 0:27:33.530 --> 0:27:38.869 never cried, never complained, didn't want to have his diaper changed. Nothing. 0:27:39.320 --> 0:27:41.899 You know, I think that's so interesting. Don't you think 0:27:41.930 --> 0:27:42.950 it perhaps. 0:27:42.950 --> 0:27:46.010 Perhaps it was a parent who said, you know, what 0:27:46.010 --> 0:27:48.860 would be great is if is if I think you'd 0:27:48.890 --> 0:27:51.379 be perfect if a baby didn't ever need their diaper 0:27:51.380 --> 0:27:54.889 changed and didn't cry. That's what would make this baby perfect. 0:27:54.890 --> 0:27:56.540 But you know what we look at? We look at 0:27:56.540 --> 0:28:00.469 babies today. At a newborn, you're like, this baby is perfect. Like, yeah. 0:28:00.500 --> 0:28:03.380 And it doesn't. Even when they're crying. Even when they're crying. 0:28:03.410 --> 0:28:06.020 You may not say it right when they're crying, but 0:28:06.020 --> 0:28:08.750 you will still say that, you know, this baby is perfect, 0:28:08.900 --> 0:28:12.950 but we don't mean perfection in terms of no sin. Yeah. Yeah. 0:28:12.980 --> 0:28:13.700 Just to clarify. 0:28:14.420 --> 0:28:17.090 I remember that firstborn of mine when he was in 0:28:17.119 --> 0:28:18.649 that tray. You know, they take the baby, and they 0:28:18.650 --> 0:28:20.360 put him on the tray to weigh. 0:28:20.359 --> 0:28:21.180 Him and that that's. 0:28:21.210 --> 0:28:24.420 The way, you know, he's on the tray. And it's 0:28:24.420 --> 0:28:26.310 like he's a little over. You want to keep him, 0:28:26.340 --> 0:28:31.800 you know, like at the deli? No, no, they they said, uh, 0:28:32.880 --> 0:28:36.660 they said he was just crying so loud. I said, 0:28:36.660 --> 0:28:40.710 is he okay? And the doctor said he's perfect. That's 0:28:40.710 --> 0:28:44.910 what he said. So I love that. So anyway, uh, 0:28:44.910 --> 0:28:49.350 it's time for the FBC, FBC mailbag. I'm so grateful 0:28:49.350 --> 0:28:51.959 that FBC partners with Open Line to bring us the 0:28:51.960 --> 0:28:56.220 weekly mailbag. Uh, it's a terrific organization. It brings the 0:28:56.220 --> 0:29:00.240 good news to people both via media and through personal encouragement. 0:29:00.240 --> 0:29:04.470 Check out their podcast, the FBC podcast called Until All 0:29:04.500 --> 0:29:08.970 Have Heard. Just go to fbc.org. That's the Far Eastern 0:29:08.970 --> 0:29:14.610 Broadcasting Company, fbc.org and Tricia, let's let's get to this 0:29:14.610 --> 0:29:15.660 mailbag right away. 0:29:15.690 --> 0:29:19.230 All right. Our first question is from Ron in Illinois 0:29:19.230 --> 0:29:23.160 who listens to WNBA, says in Matthew two verses 14 0:29:23.160 --> 0:29:25.950 and 15 the Bible says. So he got up, took 0:29:25.950 --> 0:29:28.500 the child and his mother. This is Joseph during the 0:29:28.500 --> 0:29:30.990 night and left for Egypt, where he stayed until the 0:29:30.990 --> 0:29:33.600 death of Herod. And so was fulfilled what the Lord 0:29:33.630 --> 0:29:36.090 had said through the prophet Out of Egypt I called 0:29:36.090 --> 0:29:40.800 my son. In Luke two verse 41, the Bible says, 0:29:40.800 --> 0:29:44.010 every year Jesus parents went to Jerusalem for the feast 0:29:44.010 --> 0:29:47.220 of the Passover. Could you explain how they went to 0:29:47.250 --> 0:29:50.070 Jerusalem every year if they were exiled in Egypt until 0:29:50.070 --> 0:29:51.210 the death of Herod? 0:29:52.440 --> 0:29:54.960 Well, first of all, that's a general statement. They may 0:29:54.960 --> 0:29:58.740 have missed a year, you know, and that doesn't mean 0:29:58.740 --> 0:30:00.930 they didn't do it every year. It just means they 0:30:00.930 --> 0:30:02.970 missed that first year that Jesus was born. And then 0:30:02.970 --> 0:30:05.670 after that, for 11 years, they they went every year. 0:30:05.700 --> 0:30:08.220 That's not a not a problem. But I don't think 0:30:08.220 --> 0:30:12.540 they even missed that year. They may have, but, uh, 0:30:13.740 --> 0:30:20.530 they weren't exiled to Egypt. They escaped to Egypt. Herod 0:30:20.530 --> 0:30:26.590 died in four BC, and this happened. The slaughter of 0:30:26.590 --> 0:30:32.530 the innocent in Matthew two happened just before Herod's death. Uh, 0:30:32.530 --> 0:30:35.800 and the Lord Jesus was born probably four, or maybe 0:30:35.830 --> 0:30:40.900 at most five BC. Uh, so he, the the family 0:30:40.900 --> 0:30:43.330 only went down to Egypt for, I think, a few 0:30:43.330 --> 0:30:49.240 weeks or a month or two. It wasn't very long. So, uh, 0:30:49.240 --> 0:30:52.270 they weren't there in Egypt. It wasn't like they they 0:30:52.270 --> 0:30:55.180 were immigrants. I hear a lot of people say, oh, 0:30:55.210 --> 0:30:57.640 the Lord Jesus was an immigrant to Egypt. No he wasn't. 0:30:57.670 --> 0:31:02.080 He was there, uh, for an extended few weeks or months, 0:31:02.080 --> 0:31:04.930 but nothing more than that. Okay. So. 0:31:05.080 --> 0:31:11.320 Okay. Yeah. Great. Hope that helps. Ron. Next question is from, uh, 0:31:11.320 --> 0:31:14.140 came to an email after you gave the call. Esmeralda 0:31:14.140 --> 0:31:19.760 in Texas listening Online were the shepherds in the Nativity 0:31:19.790 --> 0:31:23.420 story considered humble people? Or was there a reason that 0:31:23.420 --> 0:31:27.440 God chose them to go and seek Jesus first? 0:31:27.620 --> 0:31:30.380 Uh, you know, there are people that always want to 0:31:30.380 --> 0:31:35.630 say that they were despised, that that somehow shepherds were 0:31:35.810 --> 0:31:38.900 especially despised group. You hear that a lot in sermons, 0:31:38.900 --> 0:31:42.530 don't you? And the basis of that is from the 0:31:42.530 --> 0:31:47.810 Joseph story. When his brothers come down in Egypt, they 0:31:47.810 --> 0:31:51.650 were despised. But there's no evidence in Judaism in the 0:31:51.650 --> 0:31:55.580 first century that shepherds were an especially despised class, and 0:31:55.610 --> 0:32:02.630 especially because the kings were called the shepherds of Israel. And, uh, 0:32:03.080 --> 0:32:08.540 also the Ezekiel 34 talks about the coming Messiah and 0:32:08.540 --> 0:32:13.310 describes him as the shepherd of Israel. So it just 0:32:13.310 --> 0:32:17.480 seems to me that to. To say that shepherds were 0:32:17.480 --> 0:32:25.820 especially despised is just reading something into from 1400 BC 0:32:25.820 --> 0:32:28.970 or 1800 BC, at the time of of Joseph. 0:32:29.000 --> 0:32:31.610 You're talking about Joseph in Genesis? Yeah. 0:32:31.640 --> 0:32:32.209 Joseph and. 0:32:32.210 --> 0:32:36.710 Genesis. Jesus's earthly father. Yeah. Okay. Sorry. I it's okay. Nope. 0:32:37.010 --> 0:32:41.720 1800 BC Joseph goes down or, you know, somewhere around 0:32:41.720 --> 0:32:46.640 there and, uh, his family is despised in Egypt. We're 0:32:46.640 --> 0:32:49.400 talking about a whole different culture and a whole different time. 0:32:49.400 --> 0:32:53.870 And then you come to, you know, how many more 0:32:53.900 --> 0:32:57.590 than a millennium later in the land of Israel. There's 0:32:57.590 --> 0:33:00.380 no need to think of shepherds as being especially despised. 0:33:00.410 --> 0:33:04.790 I think that the reason they appeared is that these 0:33:04.790 --> 0:33:10.670 were the temple shepherds, likely there in Bethlehem. Uh uh, 0:33:11.090 --> 0:33:14.180 caring for the sheep that would be used for sacrifice. 0:33:14.220 --> 0:33:16.920 And so they had a great deal of interest in 0:33:16.920 --> 0:33:19.110 the idea that the Savior would be born, the one 0:33:19.110 --> 0:33:22.500 that would be the fulfillment of all those sacrifices. And 0:33:22.500 --> 0:33:26.340 so maybe that's why. But the Bible doesn't tell us why. 0:33:26.340 --> 0:33:30.270 They were the ones that were revealed that the Messiah 0:33:30.270 --> 0:33:31.110 was revealed to. 0:33:31.140 --> 0:33:35.790 Would they have been more humble people or like poorer within, 0:33:35.790 --> 0:33:39.690 within the realm of what people would have been. 0:33:40.350 --> 0:33:40.950 How they would have. 0:33:40.950 --> 0:33:42.300 Been living economically? 0:33:42.600 --> 0:33:46.050 I don't think that shepherds were exactly the wealthy class. 0:33:46.050 --> 0:33:47.400 They were just laborers. Okay. 0:33:48.120 --> 0:33:52.020 Mhm. Okay. Yeah. Um, it is very tempting. We talked 0:33:52.050 --> 0:33:57.420 last hour about the symbolism. It is very tempting to 0:33:57.450 --> 0:34:02.040 want to extrapolate. Um, the shepherds were the first one 0:34:02.040 --> 0:34:05.160 and Jesus was the shepherd was the good shepherd. And 0:34:05.160 --> 0:34:08.940 it is very easy to extrapolate that out. How do 0:34:08.940 --> 0:34:11.760 we keep that biblical? I know we kind of talked 0:34:11.760 --> 0:34:14.380 about it, but I'm finding my my brain just making 0:34:14.380 --> 0:34:16.900 that connection. Like, oh, he appeared, you know, the angel 0:34:16.900 --> 0:34:20.980 appeared to the shepherds and now the he is the 0:34:20.980 --> 0:34:24.340 good shepherd. And so there's this, you know, seems like 0:34:24.340 --> 0:34:28.750 a natural connection, but I don't want to falsely draw 0:34:28.750 --> 0:34:32.860 this narrative that is not there necessarily. 0:34:33.070 --> 0:34:39.190 Mhm. Yeah. Uh, I don't know. I think that sometimes we, 0:34:39.219 --> 0:34:44.710 we need to practice Deuteronomy 2929, where it says the 0:34:44.710 --> 0:34:48.100 secret things belong to the Lord, the things revealed belong 0:34:48.130 --> 0:34:51.819 to us, and we're looking for the secret meanings, the 0:34:51.820 --> 0:34:57.430 things that God hid. And so, uh, you know, uh, 0:34:57.430 --> 0:35:00.819 Paul writes in Second Corinthians and First Corinthians, don't go 0:35:00.820 --> 0:35:05.380 beyond that which is written. Mhm. And, and so God 0:35:05.380 --> 0:35:07.150 has revealed to us everything we know. I think if 0:35:07.150 --> 0:35:10.750 we mastered everything that's clear and plain and revealed, we've 0:35:10.750 --> 0:35:13.870 got plenty to chew on there. We don't need to, uh, 0:35:13.870 --> 0:35:16.480 to do more than that. I guess that's what I. 0:35:16.480 --> 0:35:19.960 You know, one of my favorite verses is Isaiah 4816. 0:35:19.960 --> 0:35:23.110 It says from the beginning I have not spoken in secret. 0:35:23.110 --> 0:35:26.259 So we don't need to find the secret mysteries. Let's 0:35:26.260 --> 0:35:28.300 deal with the things that we know. Okay? 0:35:28.330 --> 0:35:31.420 So all right, next question is from Justin in Illinois. 0:35:31.420 --> 0:35:35.590 Why does Isaiah mention Everlasting Father as one of the 0:35:35.590 --> 0:35:38.799 titles for Christ, and how does that fit in with 0:35:38.800 --> 0:35:39.940 the Trinity? 0:35:40.030 --> 0:35:43.780 I think we would have a problem with the Trinity 0:35:43.810 --> 0:35:46.840 if the son is the father. Yes. 0:35:46.870 --> 0:35:50.980 And it's it's confusing at the very least. 0:35:51.010 --> 0:35:55.000 Yeah. I wish that they translated it more accurately. And 0:35:55.000 --> 0:35:57.400 one of the things we had a great Bible study 0:35:57.400 --> 0:36:00.670 pre-record that we're going to air next week and it 0:36:00.670 --> 0:36:04.270 will cover Isaiah nine six. And and so I will 0:36:04.270 --> 0:36:06.969 give you a little foretaste of what I tease. 0:36:06.969 --> 0:36:08.290 It a little bit for us, Michael. 0:36:08.320 --> 0:36:14.750 Yeah. This Is it, uh, that the phrase actually means 0:36:14.750 --> 0:36:20.360 Father of Eternity? That is the more literal translation of 0:36:20.390 --> 0:36:24.380 that word, not Everlasting Father, but father of eternity, just 0:36:24.380 --> 0:36:26.150 like we have a father of our country. That means 0:36:26.150 --> 0:36:29.000 the founder of our country, the creator of the United 0:36:29.000 --> 0:36:33.410 States would be George Washington, right? The indispensable man. Well, 0:36:33.410 --> 0:36:36.200 when we see this phrase father of eternity, it means 0:36:36.200 --> 0:36:38.839 the father of time, the creator of time, the author 0:36:38.840 --> 0:36:41.090 of time. When we talk about the author of time, 0:36:41.090 --> 0:36:44.840 we're not talking about the Eternal Father. We're talking about 0:36:44.840 --> 0:36:49.250 the creator of time. And that is different, the Lord Jesus. 0:36:49.250 --> 0:36:51.980 There's nothing that was made that was not made by him. 0:36:51.980 --> 0:36:55.730 John tells us in John one, uh, he's the creator. 0:36:55.730 --> 0:36:58.790 And the very first act of creation was to create time. 0:36:58.790 --> 0:37:02.060 We often think in the beginning God created the heavens 0:37:02.060 --> 0:37:03.589 and the earth, so the heavens and the earth was 0:37:03.590 --> 0:37:06.560 the first act of creation. The first act of creation 0:37:06.560 --> 0:37:13.740 was the beginning Because before. Before that beginning, there was 0:37:13.739 --> 0:37:16.320 no such thing as time. So the Lord Jesus is 0:37:16.320 --> 0:37:18.240 the author of time. And that's what it means about 0:37:18.239 --> 0:37:20.790 him being the. It indicates his deity. 0:37:20.820 --> 0:37:24.990 Okay. All right. Thank you. Thank you for that. 0:37:25.020 --> 0:37:26.040 Yeah. And again. 0:37:26.400 --> 0:37:29.969 Special airs next Saturday. It's a Bible study about the 0:37:29.969 --> 0:37:33.120 Isaiah prophecies about Jesus. It's really good. Yeah. 0:37:33.390 --> 0:37:37.230 Yeah. We had a great time. Tricia, Eva and Chris 0:37:37.260 --> 0:37:40.230 Fabry and I were all together studying that. Check it 0:37:40.230 --> 0:37:42.630 out next week. You'll enjoy it. We'll be right back 0:37:42.630 --> 0:37:45.480 with more of your questions. Right here on Open Line. Thanks. 0:37:45.480 --> 0:37:48.870 Tricia McMillan, I'm Michael Dolnick, and this is Moody Radio. 0:37:48.870 --> 0:37:49.770 Stay with us. 0:38:11.670 --> 0:38:13.469 O come. 0:38:13.500 --> 0:38:23.430 O come, Emmanuel, and ransom. 0:38:23.430 --> 0:38:29.400 Captive Israel. 0:38:29.969 --> 0:38:32.610 That mourns in. 0:38:33.000 --> 0:38:36.330 One of my favorite versions of the song by Selah. 0:38:38.190 --> 0:38:41.490 What a great reminder that Israel was longing for the Messiah, 0:38:41.489 --> 0:38:46.830 and God fulfilled his promise and sent him the Lord Jesus, 0:38:46.860 --> 0:38:49.620 the Messiah of Israel. I love it because it starts 0:38:49.620 --> 0:38:54.840 with Hatikvah, the the hope, which is the the national 0:38:54.840 --> 0:38:57.690 anthem of the State of Israel. I love that music 0:38:57.690 --> 0:39:01.320 that it starts with. Well, most people think of Hanukkah 0:39:01.350 --> 0:39:05.820 as the season's only Jewish holiday. 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And we are going to go 0:39:46.030 --> 0:39:48.940 right back to the phones here, Beth in Akron, Ohio, 0:39:48.969 --> 0:39:51.910 listening on Wtxf. Welcome to Open Line. Beth. How can 0:39:51.910 --> 0:39:52.930 I help you today? 0:39:53.560 --> 0:39:56.860 Well, I have a question. You know how it's wrong 0:39:56.890 --> 0:40:00.700 to take to celebrate communion. If you're not a Christian, 0:40:00.700 --> 0:40:04.120 you're going to get judged for it. Well, if you 0:40:04.120 --> 0:40:06.760 want nothing to do with Jesus and you don't even 0:40:06.760 --> 0:40:10.930 go to church, is it wrong to celebrate Christmas by 0:40:10.960 --> 0:40:13.839 giving your children gifts and stuff like that and letting 0:40:13.840 --> 0:40:15.610 them think it's just a holiday? 0:40:16.780 --> 0:40:21.910 Well, first of all, let's talk about that. Uh, I'm 0:40:21.910 --> 0:40:25.390 going to say shocking things here when when I was 0:40:25.390 --> 0:40:29.110 a pastor and I would lead the Lord's Supper, I 0:40:29.110 --> 0:40:32.170 would always say, this is the fellowship meal of followers 0:40:32.170 --> 0:40:35.320 of Jesus, but I never forbade anyone from taking it. 0:40:35.860 --> 0:40:43.209 And the reason I didn't forbid anyone was it says 0:40:43.210 --> 0:40:46.510 in first Corinthians 11, if you take the Lord's Supper unworthily, 0:40:46.540 --> 0:40:49.299 you're drinking judgment to yourself. What I would tell people 0:40:49.330 --> 0:40:53.680 who are believers, I would tell people who are believers, uh, 0:40:53.680 --> 0:40:56.800 don't take the Lord's Supper unworthily. If there's a sin, 0:40:56.800 --> 0:40:59.530 you need to confess it. If there's a relationship issue 0:40:59.560 --> 0:41:03.560 that needs to be resolved, go do it. But, Uh, 0:41:03.560 --> 0:41:06.830 in terms of lost people. I never told them not to. 0:41:06.860 --> 0:41:09.920 And here's why. Because John three says that condemnation is 0:41:09.920 --> 0:41:15.080 upon them already. Uh, and so how much worse could 0:41:15.080 --> 0:41:16.850 it be? Could it be worse than that of not 0:41:16.850 --> 0:41:20.480 knowing the Lord? So I didn't tell people not to. 0:41:20.510 --> 0:41:25.880 And and in the same way, uh, uh, the Bible 0:41:25.880 --> 0:41:29.480 says that there's no verse in the Bible that says 0:41:29.480 --> 0:41:32.210 one that we should celebrate Christmas. You can if you 0:41:32.210 --> 0:41:34.640 want to. I think it's a great celebration, but you 0:41:34.640 --> 0:41:38.029 don't have to. And then secondly, there's no verse saying 0:41:38.030 --> 0:41:42.170 that it's it brings condemnation on someone to celebrate Christmas 0:41:42.170 --> 0:41:44.960 if they don't know the Lord. Here's what I think. 0:41:45.590 --> 0:41:50.270 I think anything that gets people to listen more, hear more, 0:41:50.300 --> 0:41:55.040 see more about Jesus, that's a good thing for them. 0:41:55.160 --> 0:42:00.350 And so, uh, yeah, I think let's celebrate Christmas. And, 0:42:00.380 --> 0:42:02.850 you know, there this is what a great season. There 0:42:02.850 --> 0:42:05.280 are people who want to celebrate Christmas. They don't know 0:42:05.280 --> 0:42:08.760 the Lord. Let's invite them to church to our Christmas celebrations. 0:42:08.760 --> 0:42:12.660 Let's have joyful, cheerful Christmas celebrations at church and invite 0:42:12.690 --> 0:42:15.629 people to it. Invite them for Christmas Eve. Help them 0:42:15.630 --> 0:42:18.540 to celebrate in a way that will help them come 0:42:18.540 --> 0:42:21.210 to know the Lord. That's what I think. Bring them in. 0:42:21.239 --> 0:42:23.730 Don't cast them out, okay? 0:42:24.210 --> 0:42:26.910 They have Christian knowledge and they don't want nothing to 0:42:26.910 --> 0:42:29.040 do with it. What if they've been to church and 0:42:29.040 --> 0:42:31.049 they just don't want nothing to do with it? Would 0:42:31.050 --> 0:42:33.240 it be wrong to get your kids all kinds of 0:42:33.239 --> 0:42:34.920 presents and let them think? 0:42:35.130 --> 0:42:38.070 Not for me, Beth. Beth, I don't think it's wrong. 0:42:38.070 --> 0:42:40.739 I think anything that gets them a little bit closer, 0:42:40.739 --> 0:42:44.130 so be it. That's good. That's what I think. 0:42:44.370 --> 0:42:47.069 So it's not like making a mockery of God. 0:42:47.310 --> 0:42:49.380 No, I don't think it's making a mockery of God. 0:42:49.410 --> 0:42:51.810 Here's the thing that I find amazing that there are 0:42:51.810 --> 0:42:54.600 people who don't want anything to do with God that 0:42:54.600 --> 0:42:58.320 are celebrating Christmas. It's making them. I mean, they it's 0:42:58.320 --> 0:43:02.880 making them even those who are hardened atheists recognize that 0:43:02.880 --> 0:43:06.690 there is something special that happened 2000 years ago that 0:43:06.690 --> 0:43:10.140 we're still celebrating it. So that's I think it's. 0:43:10.230 --> 0:43:14.609 Why why can't why can't you take communion if without 0:43:14.610 --> 0:43:15.630 being judged, if you know. 0:43:16.020 --> 0:43:16.650 Really the. 0:43:16.890 --> 0:43:21.840 The, the limitation on not taking communion is for believers 0:43:21.840 --> 0:43:24.989 not to take it unworthily. It's not talking about unbelievers. 0:43:26.070 --> 0:43:28.830 But but but I I've always heard pastors say, if 0:43:28.830 --> 0:43:29.790 you're not safe, well, I'm. 0:43:29.790 --> 0:43:32.280 Just telling you what the Bible says. Beth. Beth, the 0:43:32.280 --> 0:43:36.239 Bible says that believers shouldn't take it unworthily. It doesn't 0:43:36.239 --> 0:43:37.410 say anything about non-believers. 0:43:37.440 --> 0:43:37.710 Okay? 0:43:37.710 --> 0:43:40.710 Like like like like if you're a believer and you're 0:43:40.710 --> 0:43:43.290 not living the Christian life, is that what it is? 0:43:43.739 --> 0:43:46.290 That's right. Or if you have a conflict with someone, 0:43:46.290 --> 0:43:52.260 if there's tension. So that's that's what the issue is. Uh, let's, 0:43:52.260 --> 0:43:56.370 let's be inviting and not excluding at Christmas time. Let's 0:43:56.370 --> 0:44:00.280 bring people in, not cast them out. Okay. Thanks for 0:44:00.280 --> 0:44:04.839 your call. Beth. Really appreciate it. Uh, Andy in Alabama, 0:44:04.840 --> 0:44:06.880 welcome to Open Line. How can I help you? 0:44:07.900 --> 0:44:10.900 Yes, sir. Good morning. I have, if you could please 0:44:10.900 --> 0:44:14.440 give a little insight or some clarification on it, which 0:44:14.469 --> 0:44:18.340 is kind of a two part question. Same topic on when. 0:44:18.489 --> 0:44:22.660 At which point does the believer receive the Holy Spirit, 0:44:22.660 --> 0:44:25.510 and is there different levels of it? Does a person 0:44:25.540 --> 0:44:27.370 obtain different levels? 0:44:28.060 --> 0:44:31.930 Well, the Bible says, uh, if anyone doesn't have the spirit, 0:44:31.960 --> 0:44:36.550 they don't belong to Christ. It says if anyone does 0:44:36.550 --> 0:44:38.650 not have the Holy Spirit, they don't belong to Christ. 0:44:38.680 --> 0:44:40.720 Do you know what that tells me? Anyone that belongs 0:44:40.719 --> 0:44:43.989 to Christ, anyone that's a believer, has the Holy Spirit 0:44:43.989 --> 0:44:50.440 from the instant that they believe. Uh, that's Romans eight nine. 0:44:50.469 --> 0:44:54.250 That's Romans eight nine. And then first Corinthians. First Corinthians 0:44:54.250 --> 0:44:59.060 1213 says, we're all baptized by one spirit into one body. 0:44:59.060 --> 0:45:02.510 And if we're all baptized by one spirit, that means 0:45:02.510 --> 0:45:06.230 everyone has the baptism by the Holy Spirit at the 0:45:06.230 --> 0:45:11.569 moment that we believe. Uh, now, what the Bible says 0:45:11.600 --> 0:45:16.190 is that we were commanded to be filled with the spirit. 0:45:16.850 --> 0:45:20.180 That means controlled by the spirit. Does the Holy Spirit 0:45:20.210 --> 0:45:23.870 have more control of some people than other people? Yes. 0:45:24.110 --> 0:45:26.270 But it's not because they have more of the Holy Spirit. 0:45:26.270 --> 0:45:29.960 They're allowing the Holy Spirit greater control. Uh, everyone has 0:45:29.960 --> 0:45:33.920 the same amount of the Holy Spirit. Uh, it says 0:45:33.920 --> 0:45:39.410 that really plainly in Scripture that, uh, the the spirit 0:45:39.410 --> 0:45:42.259 that raised Jesus from the dead. This is Romans eight. 0:45:42.260 --> 0:45:46.250 The spirit that raised Jesus from the dead dwells in us. 0:45:47.150 --> 0:45:49.250 I don't know if we need more power than that. 0:45:49.250 --> 0:45:51.080 We've got all the power we need. We just need 0:45:51.080 --> 0:45:54.770 the Holy Spirit to empower us to submit ourselves to him, 0:45:54.770 --> 0:45:57.170 to allow him to lead and guide us to, to 0:45:57.200 --> 0:45:59.540 motivate us to obey the scriptures. We all have the 0:45:59.540 --> 0:46:02.779 Holy Spirit if we're believers in Jesus from the moment 0:46:02.780 --> 0:46:06.830 we believe. But boy, we need to allow him to 0:46:06.860 --> 0:46:09.950 control us. And that's what we're commanded to do. Hey, 0:46:09.950 --> 0:46:12.529 thanks for that. Excellent call, Andy. Really appreciate it. And 0:46:12.530 --> 0:46:17.690 thanks for listening, everyone, because the program can't believe that 0:46:17.690 --> 0:46:20.510 that's the program for the week. Fastest two hours of 0:46:20.510 --> 0:46:23.149 my week. Appreciate you all. And thank you so much 0:46:23.150 --> 0:46:26.299 for calling or writing with your questions. And thanks to 0:46:26.420 --> 0:46:31.760 today's Open Line team. Tricia, Omar, Tahira and Gabby. Remember, 0:46:31.790 --> 0:46:33.650 keep in touch with Open Line during the week by 0:46:33.680 --> 0:46:36.440 going to our web page, Open Line radio.org. 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