WEBVTT - Hour 1: Unconquered 0:00:00.080 --> 0:00:02.800 Hi friend, thank you so much for downloading this podcast 0:00:02.800 --> 0:00:06.920 and I truly hope you hear something that edifies encourage, equips, enlightens, 0:00:06.920 --> 0:00:09.520 and then gets you out there in the marketplace of ideas. 0:00:09.520 --> 0:00:11.440 But before you go, I want to tell you about 0:00:11.440 --> 0:00:14.680 this month's truth tool. It's called Have You Ever Wondered? 0:00:14.880 --> 0:00:17.720 And I absolutely love this topic because if you're like me, 0:00:17.720 --> 0:00:19.600 going out into the night sky and looking up and 0:00:19.600 --> 0:00:22.439 seeing a million stars, don't you just stop and think 0:00:22.440 --> 0:00:24.560 about God? And are you not in a moment of 0:00:24.560 --> 0:00:27.960 awe and wonder or looking out over the vast expanse 0:00:27.960 --> 0:00:30.600 of an ocean and you start thinking, what is man, 0:00:30.600 --> 0:00:32.800 that thou art mindful of him? And it makes you 0:00:32.840 --> 0:00:36.240 wonder about the magnificence of God? I think that sense 0:00:36.240 --> 0:00:39.480 of wonder was put there on purpose, and this wonderful 0:00:39.479 --> 0:00:42.720 book includes a composite of multiple authors who have written 0:00:42.720 --> 0:00:45.879 from their perspective as a scientist, or a historian, or 0:00:45.920 --> 0:00:49.160 a mathematician or an artist, on why they all have 0:00:49.159 --> 0:00:51.599 this sense of awe through the work that they do. 0:00:51.640 --> 0:00:54.120 In other words, the heavens declare the glory. And as 0:00:54.120 --> 0:00:56.440 it tells us in Romans, we are really without excuse 0:00:56.440 --> 0:01:00.170 because his handiwork is everywhere. And this book invites you 0:01:00.170 --> 0:01:03.530 to walk through the chapters written by people who all 0:01:03.530 --> 0:01:06.290 have a sense of awe and wonder when it comes 0:01:06.290 --> 0:01:09.090 to God through their various disciplines in life. It's an 0:01:09.090 --> 0:01:11.410 amazing book and it's yours. For a gift of any amount, 0:01:11.410 --> 0:01:16.250 just call 877 Janet 58. That's 877 Janet 58. Ask 0:01:16.250 --> 0:01:19.130 for a copy of Have You Ever Wondered? And we'll 0:01:19.130 --> 0:01:20.410 send it right off to you as my way of 0:01:20.410 --> 0:01:22.930 saying thank you, because we are listener supported radio. Or 0:01:22.930 --> 0:01:24.929 you can go online to in the market with Janet 0:01:24.930 --> 0:01:28.690 Parshall and you're also on the website, consider becoming a 0:01:28.690 --> 0:01:31.410 partial partner. Those are people who give every single month 0:01:31.410 --> 0:01:33.490 at a level of their own choosing. 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The president won a pledge. play. 0:01:57.890 --> 0:02:00.010 Americans worshiping government over God. 0:02:00.330 --> 0:02:03.730 Extremely rare safety move by a 17 years. 0:02:03.730 --> 0:02:05.770 The Palestinians and the Israelis negotiated. 0:02:05.770 --> 0:02:07.490 This is not. 0:02:21.970 --> 0:02:22.610 Hi friends. 0:02:22.610 --> 0:02:25.250 Welcome to In the Market with Janet Parshall. So let 0:02:25.250 --> 0:02:28.090 me ask you a question. One friend to another. How 0:02:28.130 --> 0:02:31.570 are you feeling right now? Are you feeling overwhelmed? Would 0:02:31.570 --> 0:02:35.090 you say that feeling defeated would describe you right now? 0:02:35.130 --> 0:02:39.770 Are you feeling like you've been overcome by the adversary? 0:02:40.130 --> 0:02:43.370 Do you really and truly think that you have been conquered? 0:02:43.610 --> 0:02:45.770 We're going to talk about that this hour, because a 0:02:45.770 --> 0:02:47.530 whole lot of people out there today, and I do 0:02:47.530 --> 0:02:52.170 think that number is growing, are struggling with exactly those questions. 0:02:52.169 --> 0:02:53.769 And you're going to hear from a man today who 0:02:53.770 --> 0:02:57.100 knows about these struggles full well. And boy, has God 0:02:57.139 --> 0:02:59.660 brought him through so many refiner's fires. But now he 0:02:59.660 --> 0:03:02.300 turns around and he encourages other. Let me tell you 0:03:02.300 --> 0:03:04.460 about Adam Davis. We have the privilege of spending the 0:03:04.460 --> 0:03:07.300 next hour with him. He knows the unique challenges that 0:03:07.300 --> 0:03:10.980 a law enforcement officer faces. He is a former patrol officer, 0:03:11.020 --> 0:03:14.620 a criminal investigator, a hostage negotiator. Sounds like something out 0:03:14.620 --> 0:03:17.220 of a Hollywood script, doesn't it? He's become a highly 0:03:17.220 --> 0:03:19.540 sought after speaker, as you can well imagine, and he 0:03:19.540 --> 0:03:22.579 speaks to law enforcement audiences all across the country. But 0:03:22.580 --> 0:03:25.700 he always talks about it his spirit, his experiences with 0:03:25.700 --> 0:03:29.180 a very strong message of faith. This good man has 0:03:29.180 --> 0:03:33.620 written five books, including two bestsellers, Behind the Badge, 365 0:03:33.620 --> 0:03:37.700 Daily Devotions for Law Enforcement, and Bulletproof Marriage, a 90 0:03:37.740 --> 0:03:40.420 day devotional which he co-authored with a mutual friend of ours, 0:03:40.420 --> 0:03:43.060 Lieutenant Colonel Dave Grossman, who, by the way, is the 0:03:43.060 --> 0:03:46.460 gentleman who introduced me to the word killology. Rather bizarre, 0:03:46.500 --> 0:03:49.780 isn't it? Having to teach people how to shoot another 0:03:49.780 --> 0:03:51.740 human being. And so here in my neck of the woods, 0:03:51.740 --> 0:03:53.700 the Washington, D.C., just down the road, a piece is 0:03:53.700 --> 0:03:55.990 a place called Quantico. and Dave has been there teaching 0:03:55.990 --> 0:03:58.310 on more than one occasion. I have a link to 0:03:58.350 --> 0:04:00.589 Adam's website so that you can learn more about him 0:04:00.590 --> 0:04:02.590 as well. And he's written a brand new book called 0:04:02.630 --> 0:04:08.990 unconquered ten Principles to Overcome Adversity and Live Above Defeat. Adam, 0:04:08.990 --> 0:04:11.070 thank you first of all for the gift of your time. 0:04:11.070 --> 0:04:12.990 I say this because the older I get, the more 0:04:13.030 --> 0:04:16.630 how much I appreciate and recognize the preciousness of time. 0:04:16.630 --> 0:04:18.190 You can try to get more money, but you sure 0:04:18.230 --> 0:04:20.150 can't get more time and you're giving us an hour, 0:04:20.150 --> 0:04:22.430 so that means so much. Second of all, I want 0:04:22.470 --> 0:04:24.150 to thank you for the work that you've done, how 0:04:24.150 --> 0:04:26.550 many times you've stood in the gap because you were 0:04:26.550 --> 0:04:29.070 a seeker of the peace, you were a keeper of 0:04:29.070 --> 0:04:31.590 the peace, and you were willing to step into harm's 0:04:31.630 --> 0:04:33.310 way if it was for the greater good. So on 0:04:33.310 --> 0:04:35.910 behalf of people listening all across the country, I say, 0:04:35.910 --> 0:04:38.390 thank you so much for both of those. And the book, 0:04:38.390 --> 0:04:40.110 which I'm thrilled we get to talk about this hour, 0:04:40.150 --> 0:04:41.470 the warmest of welcomes. 0:04:41.470 --> 0:04:43.670 Oh my goodness, Janet, thank you so much for the 0:04:43.670 --> 0:04:45.830 opportunity to come on and spend a little bit of 0:04:45.830 --> 0:04:47.950 time with you. And you're correct. We can make more money, 0:04:47.950 --> 0:04:50.550 we can make more time, and this will be an 0:04:50.550 --> 0:04:51.669 hour well spent. 0:04:52.190 --> 0:04:54.670 Oh thank you friend I appreciate that. So I have 0:04:54.670 --> 0:04:56.750 to ask you truly. I mean, it reads like a 0:04:56.750 --> 0:04:58.989 movie I'm going to watch with Denzel Washington, a former 0:04:58.990 --> 0:05:02.990 patrol officer, a criminal investigator and a hostage negotiator. Not 0:05:02.990 --> 0:05:06.229 exactly an easy three piece suit, 9 to 5 kind 0:05:06.230 --> 0:05:09.229 of job. What drew you to that line of work? 0:05:09.270 --> 0:05:11.750 You know what I grew up. In fact, I'm here 0:05:11.750 --> 0:05:13.710 at my dad's shop now. This is a place where 0:05:13.710 --> 0:05:16.150 I cut my teeth, grew up and learned a lot 0:05:16.190 --> 0:05:19.870 of life lessons, learned a lot of things. But in 0:05:19.870 --> 0:05:22.950 this line of work, we, you know, around law enforcement 0:05:22.990 --> 0:05:27.070 a lot. And I saw these men and and they 0:05:27.110 --> 0:05:30.270 were good men. And I wanted to be like those men. 0:05:30.550 --> 0:05:32.630 I saw the work they did. I saw when they 0:05:32.670 --> 0:05:35.550 were running on a patrol call or running code with 0:05:35.550 --> 0:05:37.830 the lights and sirens or, you know, if you needed 0:05:37.830 --> 0:05:39.390 them in the middle of the night. They were always 0:05:39.390 --> 0:05:42.150 there whenever the case was. And I wanted to be 0:05:42.150 --> 0:05:45.510 like those men, and I wanted to be the next generation. 0:05:45.990 --> 0:05:49.310 And many of those men have passed on and they 0:05:49.310 --> 0:05:53.280 have gotten their eternal reward. Ward, and that's what drew 0:05:53.320 --> 0:05:55.400 me to that. And I was like, you know what? 0:05:55.400 --> 0:05:58.640 If I could be anything, I could be a sheepdog. 0:05:58.640 --> 0:06:01.360 I could be a public servant. I can go and, 0:06:01.520 --> 0:06:04.679 you know, the off the cuff answer is always something like, 0:06:04.680 --> 0:06:08.000 we want to help people, right? And but I think 0:06:08.040 --> 0:06:09.960 at the end of the day, we want to be 0:06:09.960 --> 0:06:13.960 good people. And that was, uh, that was the initial motive. 0:06:13.960 --> 0:06:15.880 It was, hey, I want to do something good. Now, 0:06:16.160 --> 0:06:19.160 with that being said, the adrenaline rush was, uh, was 0:06:19.160 --> 0:06:22.159 a bonus. Uh, all the chases and all the fun 0:06:22.160 --> 0:06:24.799 that you get to have, uh, nobody kind of prepares 0:06:24.800 --> 0:06:26.720 you for sort of some of the things that you 0:06:26.720 --> 0:06:28.800 see and experience. But it was worth it. It was 0:06:28.800 --> 0:06:30.640 worth every minute of it. And I believe God called 0:06:30.640 --> 0:06:33.160 me to become one so I could become a voice 0:06:33.160 --> 0:06:34.359 to them and for them. 0:06:34.839 --> 0:06:37.679 Wow. Wow. Well, there's so much there. I was thinking 0:06:37.680 --> 0:06:39.640 when you were talking out of the overflow of the heart, 0:06:39.640 --> 0:06:41.920 the mouth speaks. It tells me so much about the 0:06:41.920 --> 0:06:43.880 power and the role of a mentor and what you're 0:06:43.880 --> 0:06:46.120 called to do. So I have to ask you, you know, 0:06:46.160 --> 0:06:49.760 there are bad teachers, bad politicians, bad talk show hosts, 0:06:49.760 --> 0:06:51.770 and there can be bad cops, but I don't think 0:06:51.770 --> 0:06:55.409 anybody says that's an indictment of the whole profession. What 0:06:55.410 --> 0:06:57.849 does it do for you, a man who has stood 0:06:57.850 --> 0:06:59.930 in harm's way because you wanted to be one of 0:06:59.930 --> 0:07:02.570 the good guys. You wanted to do something good. When 0:07:02.570 --> 0:07:06.809 you're seeing a national, disparaging conversation about men and women 0:07:06.810 --> 0:07:09.409 who put on that uniform and are the peacekeepers. 0:07:10.170 --> 0:07:11.930 Well, I think you have to look at the source 0:07:11.930 --> 0:07:14.610 of that conversation and the source and the root cause 0:07:14.610 --> 0:07:16.450 of it. And I think the root of it is 0:07:16.810 --> 0:07:18.810 we live in a time where people want to call 0:07:18.810 --> 0:07:23.490 evil good and good evil. And are there bad people 0:07:23.490 --> 0:07:28.650 in any profession? Yes. But the reality is law enforcement 0:07:28.650 --> 0:07:31.850 is something called a zero defect profession. Kind of like, 0:07:31.890 --> 0:07:35.410 you know, airline pilots. You can't just have a bad 0:07:35.410 --> 0:07:38.530 day and blame it on having a bad day, because 0:07:38.530 --> 0:07:41.330 there's dire consequences that come with that. And that's why 0:07:41.330 --> 0:07:43.489 it's so important for me on the mission that I'm 0:07:43.490 --> 0:07:46.730 on with, you know, the books like Behind the Badge 0:07:46.730 --> 0:07:49.610 or Bulletproof Marriage or any of the others is to 0:07:49.650 --> 0:07:52.690 address the soul. And if we can address the heart 0:07:52.690 --> 0:07:56.330 and soul, then we have men and women who are 0:07:56.330 --> 0:07:59.330 not only well trained men and women, but they are 0:07:59.330 --> 0:08:01.290 also equipped with the power and love of Christ to 0:08:01.330 --> 0:08:04.650 go into some of the worst situations humanity has ever 0:08:04.650 --> 0:08:08.610 seen and and be a light in that darkness. 0:08:09.410 --> 0:08:12.850 Wow. Adam, this is almost a rhetorical question because we're 0:08:12.850 --> 0:08:14.850 brother and sister in the Lord. But as somebody who 0:08:14.850 --> 0:08:18.170 has served in law enforcement and hostage negotiation and a 0:08:18.170 --> 0:08:22.570 criminal investigator, do you think you approach your job differently 0:08:22.570 --> 0:08:25.050 as a follower of Jesus Christ than if you weren't 0:08:25.050 --> 0:08:25.890 following him? 0:08:27.130 --> 0:08:31.650 Well, I think that the answer ultimately is yes, but 0:08:31.650 --> 0:08:34.890 I believe that it is because it shifts our perspective. 0:08:36.050 --> 0:08:42.690 You still have to address evil with a certain degree of, 0:08:42.770 --> 0:08:46.010 I guess, awareness, and with your skill set and your training. 0:08:46.410 --> 0:08:49.100 You have to have a resilient mind. You have to 0:08:49.100 --> 0:08:52.180 have that bulletproof mind. Like you said, our friend Lieutenant 0:08:52.179 --> 0:08:56.380 Colonel Dave Grossman teaches on. But you've got to go 0:08:56.380 --> 0:08:58.340 about it in a way. And I think having that 0:08:58.380 --> 0:09:03.300 heart and having that that alignment surrendered to a living 0:09:03.300 --> 0:09:06.820 God changes things. Because number one, it's going to give 0:09:06.820 --> 0:09:09.020 you more courage and it's going to give you the 0:09:09.020 --> 0:09:11.219 right kind of courage, not the dangerous courage, but the 0:09:11.220 --> 0:09:14.020 right kind of courage. And it's going to allow you 0:09:14.020 --> 0:09:17.740 to see broken humanity through the eyes of a living God, 0:09:17.780 --> 0:09:22.020 a compassionate God, instead of someone who is hurting from within. 0:09:22.740 --> 0:09:26.100 Because you're going to need that healing at some point yourself. 0:09:26.100 --> 0:09:28.620 You're going to need that touch from a living God. 0:09:29.380 --> 0:09:31.660 Because this is a broken world. This is a hurting world. 0:09:31.660 --> 0:09:34.420 It's a dying world that needs Jesus more than anything. 0:09:35.059 --> 0:09:38.179 Amen and amen. Wow. I have loved the short time 0:09:38.179 --> 0:09:40.340 we've already been together. Adam. I'm so looking forward to 0:09:40.380 --> 0:09:43.140 the rest of the conversation. Adam Davis is with us. 0:09:43.140 --> 0:09:45.420 He joins us today at the author of the new book, 0:09:45.510 --> 0:09:50.550 Unconquered Ten Principles to Overcome Adversity and Live Above Defeat. 0:09:50.710 --> 0:09:52.990 Why do we need those words now? Back after this. 0:09:58.550 --> 0:10:00.750 God uses so much in the world around us to 0:10:00.790 --> 0:10:03.350 point to him. Our sense of wonder is really about 0:10:03.350 --> 0:10:06.230 knowing him. That's why I've chosen. Have you ever wondered, 0:10:06.230 --> 0:10:08.309 as this month's Truth tool? This book is for all 0:10:08.350 --> 0:10:10.470 who have looked up at a million stars in the 0:10:10.470 --> 0:10:13.510 night sky and just wondered, ask for your copy of. 0:10:13.550 --> 0:10:15.230 Have you ever wondered when you give a gift of 0:10:15.230 --> 0:10:18.750 any amount to in the market, call eight 7758. That's 0:10:18.750 --> 0:10:22.790 eight 7758 or go to in the market with Janet Parshall. 0:10:27.070 --> 0:10:29.350 We are spending the hour with Adam Davis, who's the 0:10:29.350 --> 0:10:33.429 author of the book unconquered Ten Principles to Overcome Adversity 0:10:33.429 --> 0:10:35.870 and Live Above Defeat. He's the author of five books, 0:10:35.870 --> 0:10:38.189 two of them bestsellers, by the way, and he has 0:10:38.190 --> 0:10:41.230 a background in law enforcement as a former patrol officer, 0:10:41.230 --> 0:10:45.110 criminal investigator and hostage negotiator. Now he speaks to those 0:10:45.110 --> 0:10:47.950 people involved in those callings, and he does it all 0:10:47.950 --> 0:10:51.870 from a faith perspective and how precious and necessary that is. So, Adam, 0:10:52.030 --> 0:10:54.350 one would think, particularly when you talked about being your 0:10:54.350 --> 0:10:57.110 dad's shop and the role models that were in your life, 0:10:57.110 --> 0:10:59.510 and you're willing to step in to a kind of 0:10:59.550 --> 0:11:02.790 greater calling. But I want to hear something about your childhood, 0:11:02.830 --> 0:11:05.550 because you come to me in some respects as a 0:11:05.550 --> 0:11:07.670 wounded warrior. Tell me about growing up. 0:11:09.470 --> 0:11:13.230 Well, you know, it certainly was at no fault of, um, 0:11:13.910 --> 0:11:19.309 of of dad. Um, I'm very grateful to have people 0:11:19.309 --> 0:11:21.469 in my life that fight for me and that have 0:11:21.470 --> 0:11:24.870 fought for me. And I can name several. But just 0:11:25.350 --> 0:11:27.390 right off the top of my head, I know him 0:11:27.390 --> 0:11:29.390 and my wife are, you know, this fall will be 0:11:29.390 --> 0:11:31.710 23 years for us. We got married at 18 years 0:11:31.710 --> 0:11:34.070 old against all odds, and this year will be 23 0:11:34.070 --> 0:11:38.670 years together. And, you know, learn, learn things the hard way. But, um, 0:11:39.390 --> 0:11:43.000 you know, I think the first time was around five 0:11:43.000 --> 0:11:46.920 years old and left in the care of an older 0:11:46.920 --> 0:11:50.960 male neighbour who was not a family member, who, you know, 0:11:51.000 --> 0:11:53.280 played games with me, fed me and, you know, made 0:11:53.280 --> 0:11:57.440 me comfortable and then introduced me to pornography and then 0:11:58.000 --> 0:12:01.400 sodomized me and raped me. I don't know how many 0:12:01.400 --> 0:12:04.480 times or however, you know, how long of a period 0:12:04.480 --> 0:12:08.600 of time that occurred, but, um, I could go into 0:12:08.640 --> 0:12:12.440 graphic details, which I will spare the listeners from. And 0:12:12.440 --> 0:12:15.959 then again, as a teenager, uh, and this one was 0:12:15.960 --> 0:12:19.040 a little bit different because it was, uh, a leader 0:12:19.040 --> 0:12:22.360 in the church and a female who was someone that 0:12:22.360 --> 0:12:27.439 was a very close to certain people in my family. 0:12:27.440 --> 0:12:30.600 And I remember, um, you know, being told that, hey, 0:12:30.600 --> 0:12:32.920 I was part of God's plan for healing and a 0:12:32.960 --> 0:12:36.839 lot of manipulation, a lot of deception and, uh, a 0:12:36.880 --> 0:12:38.760 lot of pain. Because that ended when I was around 0:12:38.760 --> 0:12:42.450 16 years old. I brought it out and confronted it 0:12:42.970 --> 0:12:45.890 and then got married two years later. So my perspective 0:12:45.890 --> 0:12:50.569 of relationships and trust and faith and and even with 0:12:50.570 --> 0:12:54.890 the body of Christ in the church was heavily damaged, 0:12:55.850 --> 0:12:59.530 to say the least. Um, and then, you know, my 0:12:59.530 --> 0:13:02.490 wife knew about these things before we got married. But 0:13:02.490 --> 0:13:05.730 the reality is, um, I didn't really know how it 0:13:05.730 --> 0:13:10.569 affected me and how it had sort of, uh, wounded 0:13:10.570 --> 0:13:14.650 me inside in a number of ways. And so for me, 0:13:15.650 --> 0:13:21.690 I took that unaddressed childhood trauma into my career in 0:13:21.690 --> 0:13:24.890 law enforcement. And that is just not a smart thing 0:13:24.890 --> 0:13:28.450 to do. I began the process of forgiveness somewhere around 0:13:28.450 --> 0:13:34.290 2004 before my first child was born. Um, and but 0:13:34.290 --> 0:13:36.450 it's not something that's going to happen overnight. I had 0:13:36.450 --> 0:13:39.930 so much hate that that was inside of me, towards 0:13:39.929 --> 0:13:43.770 the people that hurt me and so much resentment and bitterness, 0:13:43.770 --> 0:13:46.130 and that was turned into something turning me into something 0:13:46.130 --> 0:13:49.490 I didn't really want to be anymore. And, um, and 0:13:49.490 --> 0:13:51.890 I thank God for his grace and for his mercy. And, 0:13:51.890 --> 0:13:54.210 you know, I was talking to a friend the other 0:13:54.210 --> 0:13:57.610 day about how can you really know if you've forgiven somebody? 0:13:58.330 --> 0:14:01.650 And it really begins when you could look at someone 0:14:01.650 --> 0:14:05.929 who's hurt you deeply and say, thank you, because I 0:14:05.929 --> 0:14:08.490 wouldn't be here today had you not done whatever you 0:14:08.490 --> 0:14:10.850 did to me, and I probably wouldn't be here today 0:14:10.890 --> 0:14:13.610 had that never occurred to me or, you know, in 0:14:13.610 --> 0:14:17.570 my life. So, um, I'm grateful for the grace and 0:14:17.570 --> 0:14:19.810 mercy that he showed me and and for the strength 0:14:19.810 --> 0:14:21.210 that he's given me to persevere. 0:14:21.890 --> 0:14:24.850 Wow. So, Adam, first of all, it takes your breath 0:14:24.850 --> 0:14:28.450 away because being a five year old, having this happen repetitively, 0:14:28.450 --> 0:14:30.530 you could have just sat in the corner, curled up 0:14:30.530 --> 0:14:32.290 in the fetal position and never left it for the 0:14:32.290 --> 0:14:35.010 rest of your life. You got up. You went forward. 0:14:35.010 --> 0:14:37.250 It happens again when you're a teenager. Where are you 0:14:37.420 --> 0:14:39.980 spiritually in the midst of these experiences. 0:14:40.340 --> 0:14:44.660 Are heavily deceived, I would say. Um, and it's hard 0:14:44.700 --> 0:14:47.100 it's hard to really put into words. It's hard to 0:14:47.140 --> 0:14:54.860 put into words. Um, that deception and manipulation and confusion 0:14:54.860 --> 0:14:58.820 were played such a strong role in that, because now 0:14:58.860 --> 0:15:02.540 I see it from a, you know, I'm healed. I'm restored, 0:15:02.540 --> 0:15:06.100 I've been set free. Uh, but when you grow up 0:15:06.100 --> 0:15:08.780 and you see people in a leadership role and you 0:15:08.780 --> 0:15:11.060 look up to them, and that's what you sort of 0:15:11.100 --> 0:15:13.580 admire to be, one day you feel God's called you 0:15:13.580 --> 0:15:18.660 to some role in ministry. Um, you know, I was praying, 0:15:18.660 --> 0:15:22.780 I was seeking, but I was deeply and heavily manipulated 0:15:22.780 --> 0:15:27.780 and confused and and deceived. And deception comes in many forms. 0:15:27.780 --> 0:15:30.060 You know, the enemy. The Bible tells us the enemy 0:15:30.060 --> 0:15:32.220 comes to kill, steal and destroy. He doesn't just show 0:15:32.220 --> 0:15:34.700 up to to do it all in one whack. He 0:15:34.860 --> 0:15:37.750 he chips away a little bit at a time, usually. 0:15:38.150 --> 0:15:41.030 And that's what he was doing in my life. And 0:15:41.030 --> 0:15:44.070 I can't tell you how many times I've thought I 0:15:44.110 --> 0:15:46.630 would probably be better off if I were not here. 0:15:46.630 --> 0:15:48.550 I would be better off if I were never born. 0:15:48.550 --> 0:15:51.510 I'd be better off if I was dead. And it was. 0:15:51.510 --> 0:15:54.870 It was a heavy burden to bear on my own. And, um, 0:15:54.870 --> 0:15:57.190 you know, I didn't feel different the first time I said, hey, 0:15:57.190 --> 0:16:01.030 I forgive them. And, um, and it took me a 0:16:01.030 --> 0:16:02.830 long time to get to the point where there was 0:16:02.830 --> 0:16:05.790 peace inside. Uh, apart from the pain that I'd been 0:16:05.790 --> 0:16:07.510 experiencing in my lifetime. So. 0:16:09.190 --> 0:16:12.110 Wow. Did you get mad at God ever? Did you 0:16:12.110 --> 0:16:14.550 just say if. Where were you when this was happening? 0:16:14.550 --> 0:16:15.630 Why didn't you rescue me? 0:16:15.670 --> 0:16:18.950 Oh, boy, did I. Did I ever get mad? And 0:16:18.950 --> 0:16:21.790 you know what? I think? And there was a time, 0:16:21.830 --> 0:16:24.070 especially in my time in law enforcement, when I was 0:16:24.070 --> 0:16:29.190 a criminal investigator, that I said, um, hey, you're supposed 0:16:29.190 --> 0:16:32.070 to be a god of love. I never doubted his goodness. 0:16:32.070 --> 0:16:34.950 I mean, I never doubted his existence. It was. and 0:16:34.950 --> 0:16:37.430 this sounds terrible. I interrogated him on the basis of 0:16:37.430 --> 0:16:40.790 goodness and love. But if you are God and you're 0:16:40.790 --> 0:16:42.470 a God of love and you're God of, you know, 0:16:42.510 --> 0:16:44.510 you're good, then where were you when this happened to 0:16:44.510 --> 0:16:47.110 me as a little boy? Where were you when this 0:16:47.110 --> 0:16:51.350 happened to me? Why didn't you stop it? And the. 0:16:51.710 --> 0:16:55.990 The answer I got was. I'm with you always. I'm 0:16:55.990 --> 0:16:59.550 with you through everything. And and he was with me 0:16:59.550 --> 0:17:02.550 through everything. And he preserved me through it all. I 0:17:02.550 --> 0:17:04.590 remember the first time I talked through it to a 0:17:04.670 --> 0:17:09.550 to a trauma therapist about it, and a Christian trauma therapist. 0:17:09.550 --> 0:17:12.550 And we finished our first couple of sessions and she said, 0:17:12.550 --> 0:17:14.550 it's a testament to God of how he preserved you 0:17:14.590 --> 0:17:17.870 through it all. Um, you know, I and I'm grateful 0:17:17.869 --> 0:17:21.310 for for his faithfulness through all things good and bad. 0:17:21.910 --> 0:17:22.310 Wow. 0:17:23.070 --> 0:17:25.669 Oh, Adam. Wow. What a story. This is so important, 0:17:25.670 --> 0:17:27.310 by the way. And I ask you only because you're 0:17:27.310 --> 0:17:30.070 transparent in the book and gave me permission to ask you. 0:17:30.070 --> 0:17:32.030 And I thank you for that. But I also think, 0:17:32.070 --> 0:17:34.760 and you know this because oftentimes your work ends up 0:17:34.760 --> 0:17:38.240 sitting in a courtroom. You want the expert credentials of 0:17:38.240 --> 0:17:40.960 your witness to be recorded for the jury. You didn't 0:17:40.960 --> 0:17:44.120 just write these principles to overcome adversity because you had 0:17:44.119 --> 0:17:46.760 nothing better to do. It's because you've been through the 0:17:46.760 --> 0:17:50.200 valley and you have seen adversity and you came out 0:17:50.200 --> 0:17:57.600 the other side. You are unconquered back after this. We're 0:17:57.600 --> 0:18:01.440 visiting with Adam Davis, a man who knows adversity firsthand 0:18:01.440 --> 0:18:04.560 and yet has come out the other side unconquered. He 0:18:04.560 --> 0:18:07.280 writes about it in the book that bears that same title, 0:18:07.320 --> 0:18:11.439 unconquered Ten Principles to Overcome Adversity and Live Above Defeat. 0:18:11.440 --> 0:18:13.160 And I am going to go to those ten principles 0:18:13.160 --> 0:18:15.760 in a bit. But Adam, just by way of background again, 0:18:15.800 --> 0:18:17.880 you alluded to the fact that there were times when 0:18:17.880 --> 0:18:20.719 you thought, you know, it's just like that scene out 0:18:20.720 --> 0:18:24.040 of Pilgrim's Progress, when the giant despair holds Christian captive 0:18:24.040 --> 0:18:27.119 and doubting Castle and says, here's a knife, a noose, 0:18:27.119 --> 0:18:29.520 and a bottle of poison, why not make an end 0:18:29.520 --> 0:18:33.090 of yourself since life is attended by so much difficulty. 0:18:33.130 --> 0:18:36.649 It's the late 1600s, so the adversary loves to tempt 0:18:36.650 --> 0:18:39.970 us to end our life when we feel overwhelmed and overcome. 0:18:40.210 --> 0:18:42.170 You thought that you didn't. Why? 0:18:43.690 --> 0:18:46.609 Well, because I had an encounter with the living God. 0:18:47.010 --> 0:18:51.770 And I sat in a patrol car on a Sunday morning. 0:18:51.770 --> 0:18:55.490 I was separated from my wife at the time. And 0:18:55.490 --> 0:18:58.410 you have to understand when I say that she's my 0:18:58.410 --> 0:19:00.970 best friend. You know, we got married at 18 because 0:19:01.330 --> 0:19:03.570 she was my best friend. I loved her with everything, 0:19:03.570 --> 0:19:07.129 and I still do. Um, but for for us to 0:19:07.130 --> 0:19:12.369 be separated was a hard thing. That was a big deal. And, um. 0:19:12.609 --> 0:19:15.330 And I just thought, you know what? I mean, I've 0:19:15.330 --> 0:19:22.170 had so much pain inside. And what is it worth anymore? 0:19:22.810 --> 0:19:26.330 What's it worth anymore? And I pulled my weapon out 0:19:26.330 --> 0:19:29.930 of my my holster, and I called out to God. 0:19:30.050 --> 0:19:32.570 I paused, and I believe it was a miracle in 0:19:32.570 --> 0:19:39.570 the pause that that redemption and living God rescued me. 0:19:39.570 --> 0:19:41.649 And and I'll tell you, I grew up in church 0:19:41.650 --> 0:19:44.650 where there was some heavy preaching. And, you know, I 0:19:44.650 --> 0:19:47.369 remember signing a membership card that said, to be a 0:19:47.369 --> 0:19:49.369 member of the church, I wouldn't dance, I wouldn't listen 0:19:49.369 --> 0:19:52.889 to rock and roll, I wouldn't go to movies and, and, um, 0:19:53.290 --> 0:19:56.210 and it wasn't that kind of thing. It wasn't that 0:19:56.210 --> 0:19:58.210 that met me in a patrol car. I called out 0:19:58.210 --> 0:19:59.410 to God and I said, hey, I don't know where 0:19:59.410 --> 0:20:02.610 you're at if you can hear me, but, you know, 0:20:02.650 --> 0:20:04.290 if you can do something with my life, you can 0:20:04.290 --> 0:20:06.410 have it. Otherwise I'm done. I'm out. I don't want 0:20:06.450 --> 0:20:10.810 to do this anymore. And and listen, I've hugged my 0:20:10.810 --> 0:20:14.330 wife and my children and friends and family, people all 0:20:14.330 --> 0:20:17.050 across this country. I know the the warmth of a 0:20:17.050 --> 0:20:21.570 genuine embrace. But what embraced me in the patrol car 0:20:21.570 --> 0:20:24.490 that day was something unlike anything I'd ever experienced in 0:20:24.490 --> 0:20:26.530 my life. I don't know how else to put it 0:20:26.530 --> 0:20:30.940 into words Except it was the love of the living 0:20:30.940 --> 0:20:33.860 God that wrapped his arms around me and showed me 0:20:33.859 --> 0:20:36.260 a new destiny and showed me a new purpose, showed 0:20:36.260 --> 0:20:39.179 me a new life. And I remember going to see 0:20:39.180 --> 0:20:42.340 my wife that afternoon. God restored our marriage. He began 0:20:42.340 --> 0:20:45.340 a work in me. He's obviously not finished. Thank God 0:20:45.340 --> 0:20:48.179 for that. Uh, I'm a work in progress, and I 0:20:48.180 --> 0:20:50.540 will be until I go home to my eternal reward. 0:20:51.060 --> 0:20:53.100 But it was a love of a living God that 0:20:53.140 --> 0:20:55.820 rescued me. He redeemed me through all the pain. He. 0:20:55.820 --> 0:20:59.060 And he's using it to this day for good purpose, 0:20:59.060 --> 0:21:02.020 for for his glory. And it didn't defeat me. It 0:21:02.020 --> 0:21:05.020 didn't take me out. And I'm not wallowing in my pain. 0:21:05.020 --> 0:21:06.860 I'm here to share with you that there is a 0:21:06.859 --> 0:21:09.620 power that is bigger than the pain you've ever experienced. 0:21:10.140 --> 0:21:12.859 And if you'll surrender your heart to him, he'll change everything. 0:21:13.540 --> 0:21:16.619 Oh oh, friends, if you don't hear anything else this hour, 0:21:16.660 --> 0:21:19.140 I hope you heard that. That's the biggest and most 0:21:19.140 --> 0:21:22.020 important takeaway. So, Adam, one of the principles that you 0:21:22.020 --> 0:21:24.780 talk about and you just in giving your testimony, you've 0:21:24.820 --> 0:21:26.700 alluded to this, but I want to underscore it now 0:21:26.790 --> 0:21:29.590 is one of the principles that's so important. And that 0:21:29.590 --> 0:21:31.670 is for people who have had trauma. And I do 0:21:31.670 --> 0:21:33.790 believe everybody has had it. It's either with a capital 0:21:33.830 --> 0:21:36.270 T or a small T clearly in your life it 0:21:36.270 --> 0:21:38.389 was a capital T and it would have been so 0:21:38.390 --> 0:21:40.949 much easier. What a lot of people do to survive 0:21:40.990 --> 0:21:43.390 now that's not the same as thriving, but to survive. 0:21:43.670 --> 0:21:45.830 They put it in a box, they deadbolt it, they 0:21:45.869 --> 0:21:47.310 shove it in the back of their heart, and they 0:21:47.310 --> 0:21:49.189 just leave it there and they think, if I just 0:21:49.230 --> 0:21:51.629 ignore it, I'm not going to have to deal with it. 0:21:51.630 --> 0:21:53.909 And the idea of having to deal with it means 0:21:53.910 --> 0:21:56.310 I can't go through it again. I don't want to 0:21:56.310 --> 0:21:58.389 have to live it or face it again. I'm simply 0:21:58.390 --> 0:22:01.230 going to walk away. You say ignoring the pain is 0:22:01.230 --> 0:22:03.909 the worst thing you can do. Talk to me about that. 0:22:03.950 --> 0:22:06.190 Oh my goodness, it is the worst thing you could 0:22:06.190 --> 0:22:09.189 ever do. I'll tell you a quick story. When I 0:22:09.190 --> 0:22:11.350 was a little boy, I was, you know, I was 0:22:11.350 --> 0:22:13.070 allowed to go out and play outside. Some of my 0:22:13.070 --> 0:22:16.030 fondest memories were playing outside, but there was one area 0:22:16.070 --> 0:22:18.070 I wasn't allowed to be around, and that was a 0:22:18.109 --> 0:22:20.110 guy wire, and that was a wire that ran from 0:22:20.109 --> 0:22:22.189 power line to the ground at an angle, and it 0:22:22.190 --> 0:22:25.840 was usually covered with a piece of yellow plastic and 0:22:25.840 --> 0:22:28.800 most people will know what I'm talking about. But there 0:22:28.800 --> 0:22:31.159 were some exposed wire and so I was told, hey, 0:22:31.200 --> 0:22:32.960 don't go around that or you're going to hurt yourself. 0:22:32.960 --> 0:22:34.760 And so the first place I went as a boy 0:22:34.760 --> 0:22:38.200 was near the guy wire. So and then ultimately cut 0:22:38.200 --> 0:22:41.040 my arm. And I knew that if I told if 0:22:41.040 --> 0:22:43.560 I told them, hey, I cut my arm on this wire, 0:22:43.560 --> 0:22:45.159 that I was going to be in big trouble and 0:22:45.160 --> 0:22:48.280 I was going to be, you know, probably punished. And 0:22:48.280 --> 0:22:51.360 so I covered it up with paper towel and some 0:22:51.400 --> 0:22:53.360 tape and tried to hide it, and eventually it got 0:22:53.359 --> 0:22:57.080 infected and it really needed stitches. And, and I think 0:22:57.080 --> 0:22:58.679 that's what we do a lot of times with that 0:22:58.680 --> 0:23:01.480 pain that we experience down deep in our soul is 0:23:01.480 --> 0:23:04.639 we want to we, we, we have this thought process 0:23:04.640 --> 0:23:07.040 that if we take it to the father, that he's 0:23:07.040 --> 0:23:08.840 going to punish us or be mad at us for 0:23:08.840 --> 0:23:10.600 what we've got or what we've done or what we've 0:23:10.640 --> 0:23:14.679 experienced or encountered, when in reality, he's a compassionate God. 0:23:14.680 --> 0:23:17.920 His loving kindness is what calls us to repentance. And 0:23:17.920 --> 0:23:19.959 when we take that hurting pain to him, instead of 0:23:19.960 --> 0:23:24.000 allowing it to become deeply infected, requiring further treatment and 0:23:24.000 --> 0:23:26.600 take it to him. He can heal in an instant. 0:23:26.600 --> 0:23:29.560 What would take us a thousand lifetimes to do? And 0:23:29.560 --> 0:23:33.119 so when we ignore pain, it just multiplies and we 0:23:33.160 --> 0:23:36.560 give more power to it and say it's something that 0:23:36.560 --> 0:23:38.919 happened one time. And when you ignore it and pretend 0:23:38.920 --> 0:23:41.679 it's not there, it just gets more powerful and more stronger. 0:23:41.720 --> 0:23:44.480 And it grips, you know, it sinks its grip deeper 0:23:44.480 --> 0:23:47.600 and deeper into our lives when if we just take 0:23:47.600 --> 0:23:49.840 it to the father and we surrender it to him, 0:23:50.720 --> 0:23:53.040 he can do a miraculous work in our life through 0:23:53.040 --> 0:23:56.160 that acknowledgement that, hey, there's something that's not right here. 0:23:56.160 --> 0:23:58.960 This doesn't align with who you are. Will you please 0:23:58.960 --> 0:23:59.600 help me? 0:24:01.000 --> 0:24:03.199 Wow. You used the word surrender. I want to talk 0:24:03.200 --> 0:24:05.320 about that when we come back, because that is also 0:24:05.320 --> 0:24:08.480 another one of the principles that you talk about in unconquered. 0:24:08.480 --> 0:24:11.240 But it's a word I think a lot of us misunderstand, 0:24:11.240 --> 0:24:14.680 including believers, by the way. But in this surrendering, you 0:24:14.680 --> 0:24:17.160 point out the fact that there really can be victory, 0:24:17.160 --> 0:24:19.159 which is antithetical to our thinking. So I want to 0:24:19.160 --> 0:24:21.359 pick it up at that point when we return. Adam 0:24:21.359 --> 0:24:24.090 Davis is with us. He's the author of several books. 0:24:24.690 --> 0:24:27.650 Two of them are bestsellers. I wouldn't be surprised if 0:24:27.650 --> 0:24:30.530 unconquered gets on that list as well. It provides ten 0:24:30.570 --> 0:24:35.129 principles to overcome adversity and live above defeat. Again, remember, 0:24:35.170 --> 0:24:37.530 on our information page, I have a direct link to 0:24:37.570 --> 0:24:40.170 Adam's website so that you can learn more about him 0:24:40.170 --> 0:24:42.610 in the great resources that he's got back after this. 0:24:57.170 --> 0:24:59.530 Anyone can read the news every day on in the market. 0:24:59.530 --> 0:25:01.490 We're committed to telling the news as seen through the 0:25:01.490 --> 0:25:04.330 lens of Scripture. As Christians, we must be informed about 0:25:04.330 --> 0:25:07.170 what's going on in the world and respond appropriately. When 0:25:07.170 --> 0:25:09.290 you become a partial partner, you ensure that we continue 0:25:09.330 --> 0:25:12.090 here on your station, equipping the church to discuss current events, 0:25:12.090 --> 0:25:15.010 using the Bible as our solid foundation. Why not become 0:25:15.010 --> 0:25:18.690 a partial partner today? Call 877 Janet 58 or go 0:25:18.690 --> 0:25:23.420 online to in the market with Janet Parshall. We're having 0:25:23.420 --> 0:25:27.139 a wonderful conversation with Adam Davis. Adam knows the challenges 0:25:27.140 --> 0:25:30.460 that law enforcement officers face. He's a former patrol officer, 0:25:30.500 --> 0:25:35.060 a criminal investigator, a hostage negotiator. He's also the author 0:25:35.060 --> 0:25:37.540 of best selling books he's written. Five. His newest is 0:25:37.540 --> 0:25:42.020 called unconquered ten Principles to Overcome Adversity and Live Above Defeat. Now, 0:25:42.020 --> 0:25:44.139 if you're just joining us, of course, the warmest of welcomes. 0:25:44.140 --> 0:25:47.780 I'm glad you're here. But really, to completely understand Adam's story, 0:25:47.780 --> 0:25:49.659 you need to hear this broadcast from the beginning. So 0:25:49.660 --> 0:25:53.020 simply go to in the market with Janet parshall.org. Go 0:25:53.020 --> 0:25:54.940 to the left hand side. You'll see a whole bunch 0:25:54.940 --> 0:25:56.940 of words. Look for these twos. They sit right next 0:25:56.940 --> 0:26:00.420 to each other. Past programs. Clicking on takes you to 0:26:00.460 --> 0:26:02.619 the page that has all of our past programs. We 0:26:02.619 --> 0:26:04.580 do this two hours every day, and we keep a 0:26:04.580 --> 0:26:07.420 library that goes back one full year. So just put 0:26:07.420 --> 0:26:09.580 in today's date, you'll be able to hear my conversation 0:26:09.580 --> 0:26:12.420 with Adam from the beginning, and particularly if you happen 0:26:12.420 --> 0:26:14.939 to be somebody serving in law enforcement where trauma is 0:26:14.940 --> 0:26:17.220 something that you face on a regular basis, or the 0:26:17.220 --> 0:26:20.180 wife or the spouse of someone who's in law enforcement. 0:26:20.180 --> 0:26:22.260 You need to know this book as well, because there 0:26:22.260 --> 0:26:24.260 is so much trauma that you deal with out there, 0:26:24.260 --> 0:26:26.619 and we do appreciate all that you do for us. 0:26:26.619 --> 0:26:28.300 So I want to go back to the word surrender, 0:26:28.300 --> 0:26:29.980 because this is one of those words. And I don't 0:26:29.980 --> 0:26:32.580 know if we've let Hollywood define this for us or what, Adam, 0:26:32.580 --> 0:26:34.939 but and maybe it's because if you put it on 0:26:34.940 --> 0:26:36.700 a playing field, if you surrender to the other team, 0:26:36.700 --> 0:26:38.740 you're a loser. If you surrender in the battlefield, you're 0:26:38.740 --> 0:26:41.740 a loser. And yet, I think this issue became really 0:26:41.740 --> 0:26:45.940 clear to me when I considered what Christ did in 0:26:45.940 --> 0:26:49.340 the garden, when he said, nevertheless, not my will, but thine. 0:26:49.340 --> 0:26:52.739 And he surrendered to his heavenly father. And in that 0:26:52.740 --> 0:26:56.500 moment of surrender I was given the gift of eternal life. 0:26:56.500 --> 0:27:00.180 So out of surrendering can come great victory. But we 0:27:00.180 --> 0:27:02.659 don't tend to think or apply that word that way. 0:27:02.700 --> 0:27:05.180 Talk to me about surrender and why, in this area 0:27:05.180 --> 0:27:06.619 of trauma, it's so crucial. 0:27:07.060 --> 0:27:09.859 It is crucial. And you know, when you think about 0:27:09.859 --> 0:27:13.940 things from the perspective of the kingdom of God is 0:27:14.140 --> 0:27:19.150 quite opposite of the things of this world. 2019. In 0:27:19.150 --> 0:27:23.790 Father's Day, I was, uh. We skipped church. Don't. Don't 0:27:23.790 --> 0:27:26.710 beat me up. My wife and kids sort of kidnapped 0:27:26.710 --> 0:27:28.470 me and took me to the beach, which is about 0:27:28.470 --> 0:27:30.110 an hour and a half or so away from where 0:27:30.109 --> 0:27:33.470 we live. A beautiful Gulf Coast. And we were going 0:27:33.510 --> 0:27:35.870 to go. That's like one of my favorite places to be. 0:27:36.430 --> 0:27:39.190 And we went down and there were red flags, which 0:27:39.190 --> 0:27:41.270 means the rip current was strong or stay out of 0:27:41.270 --> 0:27:44.270 the water. And so I got in the water anyway. 0:27:44.710 --> 0:27:47.590 And there was a lady probably, I don't know, she 0:27:47.590 --> 0:27:50.750 was probably 20, 20 or 30 yards from me, I guess. 0:27:50.750 --> 0:27:53.830 I don't, I don't know. I was close enough to 0:27:53.830 --> 0:27:56.350 see that she was in some type of obvious distress, 0:27:56.350 --> 0:27:59.990 because she would go underwater, and then she would come 0:27:59.990 --> 0:28:03.150 back up and she was gasping for air. And then 0:28:03.150 --> 0:28:06.150 a gentleman, which I later found found out was her 0:28:06.150 --> 0:28:09.270 husband came to help her. And it wasn't long then 0:28:09.270 --> 0:28:11.429 he was going underwater as well, and it was a 0:28:11.430 --> 0:28:13.710 rip current pulling him under. Well, I had a float, 0:28:13.750 --> 0:28:16.359 a round tube and so I made my way over 0:28:16.359 --> 0:28:19.520 to them and, you know, thought, hey, I'm pretty strong, 0:28:19.520 --> 0:28:21.480 I can handle this. So I gave them my tube 0:28:21.880 --> 0:28:25.880 and I was being drug out immediately after. I remember 0:28:25.880 --> 0:28:28.080 watching them walk up onto the beach, and I could 0:28:28.080 --> 0:28:30.359 see my family standing on the beach looking for me, 0:28:30.800 --> 0:28:33.240 and they got smaller and smaller. The further I got 0:28:33.240 --> 0:28:35.919 out and I couldn't, I was thrashing and fighting and 0:28:36.200 --> 0:28:39.240 and I began to panic. And because there was nothing, 0:28:39.280 --> 0:28:41.160 I mean, no matter how hard I fought, I couldn't 0:28:41.160 --> 0:28:42.680 get out of the current and it was pulling me 0:28:42.680 --> 0:28:45.280 out further. Now it won't take you out to see 0:28:45.320 --> 0:28:47.840 what I later learned, but it can, it will. It 0:28:47.840 --> 0:28:51.160 can kill you. Um, and so but something just clicked 0:28:51.160 --> 0:28:54.880 in my head and it just said, relax. Just relax. 0:28:55.720 --> 0:28:58.200 And so I relaxed and I just let my body 0:28:58.200 --> 0:29:01.160 float with the current. And it and it pulled me, 0:29:01.360 --> 0:29:04.360 you know, quite a ways down from where my family was. 0:29:04.360 --> 0:29:08.120 But there were people standing there with their phones recording and, um, 0:29:08.440 --> 0:29:10.600 and I remember seeing my family there, and I was, 0:29:10.800 --> 0:29:15.320 I was somewhere between exhausted and and extremely, um, angry 0:29:15.320 --> 0:29:18.480 that people were recording me instead of bringing me afloat, uh, 0:29:18.480 --> 0:29:21.280 to help me. But, uh, but it was it was 0:29:21.280 --> 0:29:24.720 in that moment, I learned that there are times when 0:29:24.760 --> 0:29:28.120 our instinct is to fight, and it's our instinct to 0:29:28.160 --> 0:29:31.880 to thrash in the battles of life. But we are 0:29:32.120 --> 0:29:35.920 called by a king of kings to surrender to him 0:29:35.920 --> 0:29:39.200 and let him do the battle for us. And and 0:29:39.200 --> 0:29:41.480 maybe you're being pulled out by the rip currents of 0:29:41.480 --> 0:29:44.719 the pain of your life in that in that moment 0:29:44.720 --> 0:29:48.720 when you're most tempted to fight and to thrash is surrender. 0:29:48.720 --> 0:29:52.320 That is key. It's the surrender, the letting go and 0:29:52.320 --> 0:29:54.880 relax and let him do what only he can do 0:29:54.880 --> 0:29:57.800 in that moment and let him pull you to safety. 0:29:58.160 --> 0:30:01.600 And that's what surrender looks like. It's often when you're 0:30:01.600 --> 0:30:03.880 being pulled by the tides of life into a place 0:30:03.880 --> 0:30:07.400 where it feels overwhelming, like you're losing, like you're being defeated. 0:30:07.920 --> 0:30:10.920 When we surrender to him, we win every time. 0:30:11.440 --> 0:30:14.490 Yeah. Amen. Adam, do you think part of that is 0:30:14.490 --> 0:30:16.930 because most of us, truth be told, have a control 0:30:16.930 --> 0:30:19.490 issue that surrendering means, quite literally, you have to take 0:30:19.490 --> 0:30:22.610 your hands off the wheel and you feel out of control. 0:30:22.930 --> 0:30:25.850 Well, for me, it was, you know, and for a 0:30:25.890 --> 0:30:28.090 lot of people, I think it is it's if I 0:30:28.090 --> 0:30:30.570 take my, you know, and if you're driving and listening 0:30:30.610 --> 0:30:32.810 to this, please don't take your hands off the wheel 0:30:33.730 --> 0:30:37.969 and don't don't close your eyes. But listen, um, you know, 0:30:38.130 --> 0:30:41.570 it's real simple, you know? And to this day, when 0:30:41.570 --> 0:30:44.490 I begin my day, I'll get up and I'll start 0:30:44.490 --> 0:30:46.410 getting ready for the day. And I'll say, I surrender 0:30:46.410 --> 0:30:49.130 myself to you again. It's not something that you can 0:30:49.130 --> 0:30:53.010 do one time. And and and things are okay. It's 0:30:53.010 --> 0:30:54.570 something that you have to do every day. It has 0:30:54.570 --> 0:30:57.890 to become ingrained in your thought process. You're not surrendering 0:30:57.930 --> 0:31:00.250 to the enemy. You're surrendering to the one who created 0:31:00.250 --> 0:31:03.410 you and gave you life. And when you surrender to him, 0:31:03.450 --> 0:31:04.490 things change. 0:31:05.250 --> 0:31:08.170 Mhm. Wow. What a good word that is. Let me 0:31:08.170 --> 0:31:10.290 go to a second word that you talk about in 0:31:10.290 --> 0:31:12.940 the book. And you alluded to it earlier in our conversation. 0:31:12.940 --> 0:31:15.180 But boy, I'll tell you, I think we as believers 0:31:15.220 --> 0:31:17.940 get real confused on this one. I know the world's confused, 0:31:17.940 --> 0:31:19.420 but hey, that's the world. So we'll give him a 0:31:19.420 --> 0:31:22.060 pass on this. But for us as believers, knowing that 0:31:22.060 --> 0:31:24.380 we've been forgiven for our sins, you'd think we'd really 0:31:24.380 --> 0:31:27.580 understand this concept of forgiveness. But we don't. And we 0:31:27.580 --> 0:31:31.140 have a difficult time drawing the distinction between forgiving and forgetting. 0:31:31.140 --> 0:31:34.620 And yet you say that really and truly forgiving the 0:31:34.620 --> 0:31:38.100 offender sets you free. Those are your words. How in 0:31:38.100 --> 0:31:40.420 the world did you do that? And how can we 0:31:40.420 --> 0:31:41.380 learn how to do it? 0:31:41.980 --> 0:31:48.260 Absolute childlike faith. Absolute childlike faith. Just saying. You know what? Um, 0:31:48.780 --> 0:31:52.020 there's nothing that I could have done to control anything 0:31:52.020 --> 0:31:55.860 that happened. It's done. It's over. And if I continue 0:31:55.860 --> 0:31:59.300 to carry the hate, the absolute pure hate inside of me, 0:31:59.300 --> 0:32:01.180 it's going to destroy me from within. And I don't 0:32:01.180 --> 0:32:08.180 want to become that. And forgiveness set me free in saying, hey, 0:32:08.180 --> 0:32:12.340 I'm going to. I'm going to forgive these people for 0:32:12.340 --> 0:32:13.740 what they've done to me, and I'm going to. I'll 0:32:13.740 --> 0:32:15.020 be one of the first to tell you, I said, 0:32:15.020 --> 0:32:18.780 for years I'll never forgive so and so, or for whoever, 0:32:18.780 --> 0:32:21.980 for what they did to me. I'll never forgive. And 0:32:21.980 --> 0:32:24.980 that just puts us in a prison for the rest 0:32:24.980 --> 0:32:27.580 of our life. Internally, you know, we walk around and 0:32:27.580 --> 0:32:29.660 pretend we're free. We put on a mask, we put 0:32:29.660 --> 0:32:33.660 on a great show, but inside we're prisoners to our past. 0:32:33.660 --> 0:32:35.380 And it's all because of unforgiveness. 0:32:36.180 --> 0:32:39.740 Hmm. Wow. So, child like faith. Even if you don't 0:32:39.740 --> 0:32:42.020 feel like it. In fact, that's something else you talk about. 0:32:42.020 --> 0:32:43.900 Is your emotions gone wild? I want to get to 0:32:43.900 --> 0:32:46.460 that in a minute. So it seems to me that 0:32:46.580 --> 0:32:49.260 forgiveness has to be an act of the will, because 0:32:49.260 --> 0:32:51.420 so often it ain't going to be there in our emotions. 0:32:51.420 --> 0:32:52.740 Am I right or wrong on that? 0:32:53.100 --> 0:32:55.340 No, no, I'll tell you the first time I said 0:32:55.340 --> 0:32:58.940 I forgive them. Um, I still wanted to kill them. 0:32:59.380 --> 0:33:01.780 I still wanted to hurt them. I did, I did, 0:33:01.820 --> 0:33:04.620 and it's just that's the feeling I had down in 0:33:04.620 --> 0:33:08.020 my heart. I didn't, obviously, but I'll tell you, there 0:33:08.020 --> 0:33:10.750 was so much anger inside and there was so much 0:33:10.830 --> 0:33:13.670 anger inside. And even after the first time. So here, 0:33:13.710 --> 0:33:15.670 here's what I've learned about forgiveness. And I'm by no 0:33:15.670 --> 0:33:17.310 means an expert on it. But this is just what 0:33:17.310 --> 0:33:21.110 I've learned through my own pain is we're we're we're 0:33:21.110 --> 0:33:24.470 not asked to forgive. It is a requirement as a believer, 0:33:24.470 --> 0:33:28.110 as a follower of Jesus. He's forgiven us of much. 0:33:28.350 --> 0:33:31.030 Who are we to withhold forgiveness from anyone? After all, 0:33:31.030 --> 0:33:34.870 he's forgiven us from and. And forgiveness is an act 0:33:34.870 --> 0:33:39.070 of obedience that we take in faith. We take a 0:33:39.070 --> 0:33:41.910 step of faith and we say, I forgive. And we 0:33:41.910 --> 0:33:44.270 do that out of obedience to the father because of 0:33:44.270 --> 0:33:45.910 all that he's done for us and the love that 0:33:45.910 --> 0:33:49.710 he has shown us. You see, his love demands a response. 0:33:49.710 --> 0:33:51.590 It's either going to be we deny his love or 0:33:51.590 --> 0:33:54.070 reject it, ignore it, or we're going to accept it 0:33:54.070 --> 0:33:56.110 and let our lives be a proper response to the 0:33:56.110 --> 0:33:58.830 love that he's shown us. And forgiveness is just one 0:33:58.830 --> 0:34:01.630 thing we can do out of obedience as a response 0:34:01.630 --> 0:34:04.150 to his love. Uh, and we do it in faith 0:34:04.150 --> 0:34:06.430 because we know, hey, we're not going to feel anything 0:34:06.430 --> 0:34:09.000 or see anything different the first time. And it may not. 0:34:09.040 --> 0:34:11.640 It may not be after the 20th time, but if 0:34:11.640 --> 0:34:14.080 you keep doing it at one point or another, he's 0:34:14.080 --> 0:34:15.839 going to soften your heart. He's going to change that. 0:34:15.880 --> 0:34:17.319 He's going to take that pain out of your heart, 0:34:17.320 --> 0:34:19.239 and he's going to give you a power to overcome 0:34:19.480 --> 0:34:20.920 like you've never experienced. 0:34:21.400 --> 0:34:23.879 Wow, Adam, you said something very important and it was 0:34:23.880 --> 0:34:25.880 a question of perspective. So let me go back to it, 0:34:25.880 --> 0:34:28.560 because I think it's profound and I think it's significant. 0:34:28.560 --> 0:34:31.800 And maybe it'll shift some people's thinking. We are commanded 0:34:31.800 --> 0:34:34.040 to do this as followers of Christ, but we do 0:34:34.040 --> 0:34:38.000 this for and because of him, we think forgiveness is me. 0:34:38.000 --> 0:34:39.640 It's going to make me feel better. And yes, there 0:34:39.640 --> 0:34:41.960 is a certain aspect to that. It will set us free. 0:34:42.120 --> 0:34:44.239 But when you drop this in the context of I 0:34:44.280 --> 0:34:47.000 do it because I love him and because he's asked 0:34:47.000 --> 0:34:49.680 me to. That just kind of puts those feelings in 0:34:49.680 --> 0:34:51.399 the back seat where they need to go, and it 0:34:51.400 --> 0:34:53.600 really moves it into a position of obedience. That's a 0:34:53.600 --> 0:34:55.000 whole different approach to this. 0:34:55.360 --> 0:34:58.279 It is. And that's what shifted it for me was, 0:34:58.960 --> 0:35:02.200 you know, look at all he's forgiven me of and 0:35:02.200 --> 0:35:06.120 look at all he's done for me. And and and 0:35:06.120 --> 0:35:10.440 look at all he's loved me through and preserved me through. 0:35:10.920 --> 0:35:13.960 And I owe him everything. I owe him everything. Every 0:35:13.960 --> 0:35:18.440 breath and and and if the least I can do 0:35:18.480 --> 0:35:21.040 is forgive someone who tried to kill me, or to 0:35:21.360 --> 0:35:24.960 try to hurt me, or steal my childhood or whatever 0:35:25.000 --> 0:35:28.680 the my innocence, whatever. Then that's the least I can do. 0:35:28.719 --> 0:35:30.560 Then I'm going to do it because of him, not 0:35:30.560 --> 0:35:33.000 because of them. And now I can look back at 0:35:33.000 --> 0:35:37.600 them today and say, thank you, thank you. Wow. Because 0:35:37.600 --> 0:35:39.640 if it weren't for you, I wouldn't reach, you know, 0:35:39.680 --> 0:35:43.239 130,000 people with the with the gospel or however many 0:35:43.239 --> 0:35:45.520 people I've reached to this point in my life and 0:35:45.520 --> 0:35:48.800 I don't know, I don't have a way to count it, but, um, 0:35:49.080 --> 0:35:51.520 you know, it's not because of me. It's because of him. 0:35:51.520 --> 0:35:52.840 And that goes back to what are we going to 0:35:52.840 --> 0:35:54.239 try to do in our own strength and our own 0:35:54.239 --> 0:35:56.200 power and our own mind? Are we going to do 0:35:56.200 --> 0:35:58.799 it according to His spirit, according to his power and 0:35:58.800 --> 0:36:02.239 his word and what he's equipped us with? And we 0:36:02.239 --> 0:36:04.610 have to quit relying on us? And I tell you what, 0:36:05.250 --> 0:36:08.050 there is a great freedom in that. There's tremendous freedom 0:36:08.050 --> 0:36:10.330 in that. And maybe you're listening today and you're thinking, 0:36:10.330 --> 0:36:13.250 I'm never going to forgive whoever for whatever they did. 0:36:13.770 --> 0:36:15.770 And I think one of the greatest things this country 0:36:15.770 --> 0:36:17.970 needs today is a good dose of forgiveness. 0:36:18.810 --> 0:36:22.569 Wow. Excellent words. Well, this is such a rich conversation. 0:36:22.570 --> 0:36:24.529 I'm glad I have more time with you, Adam. Let 0:36:24.530 --> 0:36:26.370 me tell my friends again. Your new book is called 0:36:26.370 --> 0:36:31.770 unconquered ten Principles to Overcome Adversity and Live Above Defeat again. 0:36:31.810 --> 0:36:33.930 Adam Davis is our guest. He's the author. He's got 0:36:33.930 --> 0:36:35.890 a link to his website that I've put on mine 0:36:35.890 --> 0:36:37.969 as well. You can also check out his other books, 0:36:37.969 --> 0:36:42.210 Behind the Badge, 365 Daily Devotions for Law Enforcement and 0:36:42.250 --> 0:36:55.890 Bulletproof Marriage back after this. The questions that matter most 0:36:55.890 --> 0:36:58.610 often come while watching a sunset, or listening to music, 0:36:58.610 --> 0:37:01.410 or looking into the night sky. That's why I've chosen. 0:37:01.410 --> 0:37:04.300 Have you ever wondered, as this month's truth tool, God 0:37:04.340 --> 0:37:07.060 draws us to himself through a sense of awe and wonder, 0:37:07.060 --> 0:37:09.299 and this book will help you discover how. As for 0:37:09.300 --> 0:37:11.140 your copy of Have You ever wondered when you give 0:37:11.140 --> 0:37:14.260 a gift of any amount in the market, call 877 0:37:14.260 --> 0:37:18.219 Janet 58. That's 877 Janet 58 or go to in 0:37:18.260 --> 0:37:25.140 the market with Janet Parshall. Unconquered ten Principles to Overcome 0:37:25.140 --> 0:37:27.899 Adversity and Live Above Defeat. It's the new book by 0:37:27.900 --> 0:37:31.060 Adam Davis, who's a best selling author, but a man 0:37:31.060 --> 0:37:35.140 who was a former patrol officer, criminal investigator and hostage negotiator. 0:37:35.380 --> 0:37:38.580 And now he brings a faith based message to men 0:37:38.580 --> 0:37:41.060 and women in uniform, people who deal with trauma on 0:37:41.060 --> 0:37:43.340 a regular life, by the way, on a regular basis 0:37:43.340 --> 0:37:45.219 as part of their life. Adam, there's so many things 0:37:45.219 --> 0:37:46.819 I want to ask you in this last segment. Let 0:37:46.820 --> 0:37:49.060 me ask this one. I was thinking during the break, 0:37:49.340 --> 0:37:51.940 we know that the scriptures tell us that now. Therefore, 0:37:51.980 --> 0:37:54.860 there is no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus. 0:37:54.860 --> 0:37:58.700 But when you've been horribly traumatized, the accuser loves to 0:37:58.739 --> 0:38:01.780 park right beside you., you whisper in your ear, you know, 0:38:01.820 --> 0:38:04.420 if if you hadn't, if you had done. And he 0:38:04.420 --> 0:38:06.260 comes back and he comes back and he comes back. 0:38:06.460 --> 0:38:08.620 It seems to me then that when you have real 0:38:08.620 --> 0:38:11.500 trauma in your life, it is a moment by moment 0:38:11.540 --> 0:38:16.820 rest in him surrendering constantly. Not a once and done, 0:38:16.820 --> 0:38:19.580 but a moment by moment, breathing in, breathing out, faith. 0:38:19.580 --> 0:38:21.700 Rest life in him. Am I right or wrong on that? 0:38:21.739 --> 0:38:25.739 You're absolutely 100% correct. And it is his steadfast love 0:38:26.140 --> 0:38:31.660 that that sort of is our foundation relying on him. 0:38:31.660 --> 0:38:33.940 And I can tell you anytime that I've tried to 0:38:33.980 --> 0:38:38.060 resist that call, to surrender, anytime that I've tried to 0:38:38.060 --> 0:38:40.460 do it in my own power, I have made a 0:38:40.460 --> 0:38:44.900 much bigger mess than what was already there. And, uh. 0:38:45.020 --> 0:38:47.420 And yeah, the enemy's there, and he wants to condemn you. 0:38:47.540 --> 0:38:50.740 So I like to look at it like a court case. Right? Um, 0:38:51.219 --> 0:38:54.580 the father is the judge. Heavenly father is the judge, 0:38:54.580 --> 0:38:57.740 and the enemy is the prosecutor. And he's over there saying, 0:38:57.739 --> 0:39:00.149 look at what Janet's done. Look what Adam's done. Look 0:39:00.150 --> 0:39:04.150 what they've done. With. With their life. And our criminal 0:39:04.150 --> 0:39:07.230 defense attorney. Jesus is standing there saying, but they've accepted 0:39:07.230 --> 0:39:11.189 my sacrifice. They've been redeemed by my blood. I've covered 0:39:11.190 --> 0:39:14.870 everything that they've been through, everything they've experienced, everything they've 0:39:14.870 --> 0:39:18.109 done or thought had been covered by me. And so 0:39:18.110 --> 0:39:21.430 we can either give heed to the voice of the enemy, 0:39:21.430 --> 0:39:24.350 the adversary, the accuser of the brethren, and we could 0:39:24.350 --> 0:39:27.910 allow him to plant thoughts of condemnation and regret and 0:39:27.910 --> 0:39:29.989 fear and shame and guilt and all this stuff in 0:39:29.989 --> 0:39:32.230 our mind. Or we can listen to the voice of 0:39:32.230 --> 0:39:35.310 the one who gave us eternal life through His Son, Jesus. 0:39:35.710 --> 0:39:37.989 And when we give heed to that voice, and we 0:39:38.030 --> 0:39:41.149 surrender our thoughts and our minds and our bodies and 0:39:41.150 --> 0:39:44.230 our ways and desires and everything to him, it changes everything. 0:39:44.510 --> 0:39:47.310 It changes everything. It can change the entire course of 0:39:47.310 --> 0:39:52.029 your life because it affects everything around you, your relationships, 0:39:52.150 --> 0:39:55.950 your I mean, it affects everything. So I'm so grateful 0:39:56.310 --> 0:39:59.000 for Jesus. And I know that's an understatement and it's 0:39:59.000 --> 0:40:01.000 just a given. But if it wasn't for him, I 0:40:01.000 --> 0:40:03.080 would not be here today. I'm telling you, I would 0:40:03.080 --> 0:40:04.320 not be here without him. 0:40:05.360 --> 0:40:09.400 He puts broken people back together. If only we'd let him. Wow, Adam, 0:40:09.400 --> 0:40:11.439 that takes me to the men and women that you 0:40:11.440 --> 0:40:14.920 talk to. Tell me about reboot recovery, first responders. What 0:40:14.920 --> 0:40:15.880 is that all about? 0:40:16.280 --> 0:40:20.319 Reboot recovery? Uh, some of my absolute best friends in 0:40:20.320 --> 0:40:23.839 the entire world, uh, Evan and Jenny Owens are the 0:40:23.840 --> 0:40:28.319 founders of Reboot Recovery, and they have a faith based 0:40:28.320 --> 0:40:32.719 approach to trauma healing through groups that they create. And 0:40:32.719 --> 0:40:35.120 they're created all over the country, and I believe, all 0:40:35.120 --> 0:40:37.600 over the world. And so, as a spokesperson for the 0:40:37.600 --> 0:40:41.239 first responder community, that's that's sort of my focus. But 0:40:41.280 --> 0:40:44.400 it's a typically 12 week, faith based, peer led course 0:40:44.400 --> 0:40:49.480 that helps, you know, veterans, active duty military families, first responders, 0:40:49.480 --> 0:40:55.400 and now general. Anybody that's experienced trauma navigate that pain 0:40:55.640 --> 0:40:59.760 through the lens of what the healer says. And so 0:41:00.000 --> 0:41:02.080 reboot is a beautiful thing and had the privilege of 0:41:02.080 --> 0:41:06.960 being on tour with them nationally last year in several locations, 0:41:06.960 --> 0:41:09.680 and I'm so grateful for them. They truly are some 0:41:09.880 --> 0:41:12.319 some of my closest friends and always grateful for their 0:41:12.320 --> 0:41:15.440 support and camaraderie in this, in this fight. Because this 0:41:15.440 --> 0:41:18.200 is a fight and we've said yes to a mission 0:41:18.200 --> 0:41:21.080 that is that seems to be impossible at times, but 0:41:21.080 --> 0:41:23.319 it is well worth the battle, and it's well worth 0:41:23.320 --> 0:41:25.440 the surrender to the one who gave us life. 0:41:26.000 --> 0:41:29.280 Wow. Well, because I could not agree with you more. 0:41:29.520 --> 0:41:31.879 Let me talk about the general application of this faith 0:41:31.920 --> 0:41:34.440 based approach to people who've been dealing with trauma. I'm 0:41:34.440 --> 0:41:37.680 so grieved being here in Washington, and the numbers vacillate 0:41:37.719 --> 0:41:39.630 a little bit, but they're way too high. 22 to 0:41:39.630 --> 0:41:42.560 24 vets a day take their own life. And yet 0:41:42.560 --> 0:41:46.520 we have a military that's dabbling in wokeism and, you know, 0:41:46.560 --> 0:41:50.080 social construct and all that stuff. And yet the linchpin 0:41:50.080 --> 0:41:52.319 in all of this is not what, it's who. And 0:41:52.320 --> 0:41:55.250 his name is Jesus. So when we take a faith 0:41:55.290 --> 0:41:59.330 based approach, it radically changes everything. How is God opening 0:41:59.330 --> 0:42:02.410 the door for you to bring Jesus into the marketplace, 0:42:02.410 --> 0:42:05.530 knowing that Jesus is the ultimate cure here for brokenness? 0:42:05.969 --> 0:42:08.250 Well, you know, I tell people all the time I've created, 0:42:08.410 --> 0:42:11.609 I've created a message that I can take into any market, 0:42:11.610 --> 0:42:16.569 into any profession and any corporate building, and I can 0:42:16.570 --> 0:42:19.529 share these principles. And they're all founded on the gospel, 0:42:19.890 --> 0:42:22.410 and they all point people back to Jesus. And I 0:42:22.410 --> 0:42:23.930 always tell people at the end, hey, if you want 0:42:23.969 --> 0:42:27.089 to truly understand how to live unconquered and if you 0:42:27.090 --> 0:42:29.129 really want to live unconquered, you come see me when 0:42:29.130 --> 0:42:31.370 we're done and I'm going to show you how. Share 0:42:31.370 --> 0:42:33.850 with you how to do that. But this is reboots, 0:42:33.850 --> 0:42:38.050 the largest peer led response to trauma and suicide that's 0:42:38.050 --> 0:42:40.290 ever been built. And I'm so honored to be a 0:42:40.290 --> 0:42:43.049 part of it. And in writing unconquered is just the 0:42:43.050 --> 0:42:45.650 next step. And I believe it's probably, you know, a 0:42:45.650 --> 0:42:49.290 big chapter in my life and closing the door on 0:42:49.330 --> 0:42:53.379 a phase of healing because I'm sharing the testimony, you know. 0:42:53.420 --> 0:42:55.420 His word tells us we overcome the enemy by the 0:42:55.420 --> 0:42:57.100 blood of the lamb. And the word of our testimony 0:42:57.100 --> 0:43:00.540 will unconquered is my testimony of victory. And so I 0:43:00.540 --> 0:43:02.540 want to hear your testimony of victory and what it 0:43:02.540 --> 0:43:05.180 means to you to live unconquered. And I want you 0:43:05.180 --> 0:43:07.700 to fight back. This is your time to fight back. 0:43:07.700 --> 0:43:10.620 If you've been allowing trauma and the pain of your past, 0:43:10.900 --> 0:43:13.779 whatever you're dealing with, adversity wise to defeat you and 0:43:13.780 --> 0:43:16.220 pin you down. The enemy's got his foot on your neck. 0:43:17.020 --> 0:43:19.540 Call on the name of Jesus. When I paused that 0:43:19.540 --> 0:43:21.819 day in a patrol car and called on him, he 0:43:21.820 --> 0:43:24.420 changed everything. And he's no respecter of persons. He'll do 0:43:24.420 --> 0:43:25.260 it for you, too. 0:43:25.900 --> 0:43:29.020 Wow. Oh, Adam, to the person who's listening right now 0:43:29.020 --> 0:43:32.299 who has felt literally defeated and overwhelmed, I'm going to 0:43:32.300 --> 0:43:34.779 tell them they absolutely need to get your book unconquered. 0:43:34.780 --> 0:43:37.299 But first steps. I always love to end a conversation 0:43:37.300 --> 0:43:40.939 by just lovingly, gently nudging my friends to say, just 0:43:40.940 --> 0:43:43.180 do this first step. What would be that first step 0:43:43.180 --> 0:43:44.540 you would tell somebody today. 0:43:45.020 --> 0:43:46.980 Oh my goodness, call on Jesus. 0:43:47.739 --> 0:43:48.100 Mm. 0:43:48.860 --> 0:43:51.700 That doesn't get any better than that. Adam Thank you. 0:43:51.739 --> 0:43:54.340 What a rich conversation. And, friends, I got to tell you, obviously, 0:43:54.340 --> 0:43:56.940 I didn't get to all ten points. There's gold in 0:43:56.940 --> 0:43:58.900 them there. Hills. You got to read the book on Concord. 0:43:58.900 --> 0:44:02.819 So many people are feeling utterly defeated and overwhelmed. And 0:44:02.820 --> 0:44:05.020 you know what? Call on the name of Jesus is 0:44:05.020 --> 0:44:08.460 what Adam Davis just said. He's there. He's waiting. He 0:44:08.460 --> 0:44:11.220 is the restorer. He's the healer. He puts broken people 0:44:11.260 --> 0:44:14.620 back together. If we would only let him and we 0:44:14.620 --> 0:44:18.140 become overcomers because of what he has done in, for 0:44:18.300 --> 0:44:21.460 and through us. The book is called unconquered. Checkout Adams 0:44:21.460 --> 0:44:24.140 Facebook page and also a link to his website as well. 0:44:24.140 --> 0:44:27.260 It's all there on my information page. My heartfelt thanks 0:44:27.260 --> 0:44:29.140 to Adam. And here's I don't know, I have no 0:44:29.140 --> 0:44:31.339 way of measuring this, but here's what I believe in 0:44:31.340 --> 0:44:33.620 my heart of hearts. I believe that somebody today, maybe 0:44:33.620 --> 0:44:36.500 many people today, are dealing with this issue of being 0:44:36.500 --> 0:44:42.580 overwhelmed and defeated and Adam's word, apples of gold. So enjoy. Thanks, friends. 0:44:42.580 --> 0:44:43.540 We'll see you next time.