1 00:00:05,600 --> 00:00:08,920 S1: You have prayed and prayed for something good. You are 2 00:00:08,920 --> 00:00:12,440 S1: in a season of hurt. You've had a wound or 3 00:00:12,440 --> 00:00:15,160 S1: there's someone you love who needs some kind of healing 4 00:00:15,160 --> 00:00:18,280 S1: and help, and the only way forward is for God 5 00:00:18,280 --> 00:00:21,079 S1: to intervene. Have you ever been there? Are you there 6 00:00:21,079 --> 00:00:24,520 S1: right now? Our guest today at the Radio Backyard Fence 7 00:00:24,680 --> 00:00:28,320 S1: asks a really good question. She has been pondering this 8 00:00:28,560 --> 00:00:30,920 S1: for some time because of her own struggles and the 9 00:00:30,920 --> 00:00:34,000 S1: pain she's been through. And the question is this how 10 00:00:34,000 --> 00:00:36,440 S1: do you know if God has heard your prayer if 11 00:00:36,479 --> 00:00:40,599 S1: you haven't been healed? Glenn Marshall is back today, and 12 00:00:40,600 --> 00:00:42,839 S1: we'll talk with her and get some encouragement. And I 13 00:00:42,840 --> 00:00:45,839 S1: dare say if you have chronic pain or if you 14 00:00:45,880 --> 00:00:49,600 S1: know someone who's gone through chronic pain and feels alone 15 00:00:49,720 --> 00:00:53,000 S1: in it, this will be a real help for you 16 00:00:53,000 --> 00:00:55,720 S1: both today. Let's get started with a thank you to 17 00:00:55,720 --> 00:00:58,640 S1: our team. Ryan McConaughey. Doing all things technical. Trish is 18 00:00:58,640 --> 00:01:01,590 S1: our producer. Lisa is helping out. Josh will be answering 19 00:01:01,590 --> 00:01:04,190 S1: your calls and thank you for those who have joined 20 00:01:04,190 --> 00:01:06,510 S1: with us this month here on Chris Fabry Live to 21 00:01:06,550 --> 00:01:10,149 S1: celebrate 100 years of Moody Radio. 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She is the mother of two sons. 44 00:02:31,820 --> 00:02:35,660 S1: The author of The promise is His Presence, Everyday faithfulness, 45 00:02:35,700 --> 00:02:39,940 S1: memorizing Scripture which will change your life. Known and loved. 46 00:02:40,419 --> 00:02:44,180 S1: She's a member of Grace Bible Fellowship in Sikeston, Missouri, 47 00:02:44,220 --> 00:02:45,940 S1: where she and her husband have served for more than 48 00:02:45,940 --> 00:02:49,740 S1: 20 years, and her latest book is going to be 49 00:02:49,740 --> 00:02:54,340 S1: a real. I wish it didn't need to be, but 50 00:02:54,340 --> 00:02:56,340 S1: it does, and it's going to be a real help 51 00:02:56,340 --> 00:03:00,119 S1: to you. Praying in pain. How to know your heard 52 00:03:00,120 --> 00:03:03,560 S1: when you haven't been healed. Glenna welcome back. How you 53 00:03:03,560 --> 00:03:04,280 S1: doing today? 54 00:03:04,520 --> 00:03:06,600 S2: I'm doing great. I'm glad to be back. 55 00:03:07,480 --> 00:03:10,760 S1: And that question how are you doing? That's one of 56 00:03:10,760 --> 00:03:14,560 S1: those questions that yeah, you know, for somebody who's been 57 00:03:14,560 --> 00:03:17,600 S1: through a lot of pain and struggle, it's like you 58 00:03:17,600 --> 00:03:20,680 S1: could just answer and move on. How many times have 59 00:03:20,680 --> 00:03:24,400 S1: you not answered honestly when people have asked you that? 60 00:03:25,000 --> 00:03:27,880 S2: It's usually I'm gauging the expression on the face of 61 00:03:27,880 --> 00:03:30,440 S2: the person who asked, and I'm like, do they really 62 00:03:30,440 --> 00:03:33,880 S2: want to know? And on a given day, I can 63 00:03:33,880 --> 00:03:36,600 S2: be doing great. I'm doing great today. But two weeks 64 00:03:36,600 --> 00:03:38,960 S2: ago I could barely walk. So it just kind of, 65 00:03:39,000 --> 00:03:41,880 S2: you know, it fluctuates. So sometimes I choose not to 66 00:03:41,960 --> 00:03:43,640 S2: burden people. Yeah. 67 00:03:44,120 --> 00:03:47,080 S1: How long ago did this start? When did you see this? 68 00:03:47,400 --> 00:03:51,600 S2: MM. I was 28 or 29 years old and I'm 69 00:03:51,600 --> 00:03:54,960 S2: 45 now. So we're looking at about 16 years. I 70 00:03:55,030 --> 00:03:58,190 S2: was an avid runner at the time, in the best 71 00:03:58,190 --> 00:04:01,190 S2: physical shape I'd ever been in, and I started waking 72 00:04:01,190 --> 00:04:03,790 S2: up in the night with real severe pain in my spine. 73 00:04:03,790 --> 00:04:05,670 S2: I thought, you know, it was an injury or I 74 00:04:05,670 --> 00:04:07,790 S2: needed to stretch more. And so I did all the 75 00:04:07,790 --> 00:04:09,590 S2: things you do if you think you have an injury, 76 00:04:09,630 --> 00:04:13,150 S2: and it just could not get relief and started seeing 77 00:04:13,150 --> 00:04:18,750 S2: doctors and getting X-rays and chiropractors and adjustments and Pilates classes, 78 00:04:18,790 --> 00:04:21,790 S2: new mattresses, new shoes, all of these very expensive things 79 00:04:21,790 --> 00:04:24,109 S2: to try to address. Pain that just kept getting worse 80 00:04:24,110 --> 00:04:26,830 S2: and worse. I had a lot of other disparate symptoms 81 00:04:26,830 --> 00:04:30,229 S2: that didn't seem connected, but I now know that they were. 82 00:04:30,710 --> 00:04:34,870 S2: And I did this for about six years, just probably 83 00:04:34,870 --> 00:04:39,190 S2: averaging two, three, maybe four hours of sleep a night, 84 00:04:39,190 --> 00:04:43,110 S2: just I would fall asleep, exhausted and wake up out 85 00:04:43,110 --> 00:04:46,350 S2: of a deep sleep, just wrenched out of sleep with 86 00:04:46,390 --> 00:04:50,990 S2: severe just it's hard to describe. It was a fiery pain. 87 00:04:50,990 --> 00:04:53,830 S2: Sometimes taking a deep breath really hurt. And then I 88 00:04:53,830 --> 00:04:56,060 S2: would just spend the rest of the night until the 89 00:04:56,060 --> 00:04:58,740 S2: sun came up. Just walking the floors, sitting on the 90 00:04:58,740 --> 00:05:01,860 S2: couch with an ice pack or heat pack or tens therapy, 91 00:05:01,860 --> 00:05:04,979 S2: or standing up or sitting in a hard chair just 92 00:05:05,220 --> 00:05:08,060 S2: lying down is one of the. Being unable to lie 93 00:05:08,060 --> 00:05:09,980 S2: down is one of the hallmark symptoms of the disease 94 00:05:09,980 --> 00:05:12,059 S2: that I have. And I didn't know that I didn't 95 00:05:12,060 --> 00:05:14,100 S2: get a diagnosis until I'd been dealing with this for 96 00:05:14,100 --> 00:05:16,980 S2: about six years. And then I spent about another six 97 00:05:16,980 --> 00:05:20,500 S2: years trying to find a treatment that works. And it's 98 00:05:20,500 --> 00:05:22,539 S2: really only been in the last 2 to 3 years 99 00:05:22,540 --> 00:05:26,700 S2: that I've regained a good, fair amount of quality of life. 100 00:05:27,779 --> 00:05:32,020 S1: Did you, uh, you and your husband, your pastor William, uh, 101 00:05:32,020 --> 00:05:35,500 S1: did you go out of the room in order to 102 00:05:35,540 --> 00:05:37,740 S1: let him sleep while you were struggling? 103 00:05:38,100 --> 00:05:40,740 S2: I did, I did so I would always leave the 104 00:05:40,740 --> 00:05:44,180 S2: bedroom because I didn't want to wake him, and there 105 00:05:44,180 --> 00:05:47,299 S2: was nothing he could do, you know, like. And because 106 00:05:47,300 --> 00:05:50,859 S2: this happened every single night, there was just no reason 107 00:05:50,860 --> 00:05:53,450 S2: to wake him up. And so I would just slip 108 00:05:53,450 --> 00:05:56,090 S2: out and close the bedroom door and spend the rest 109 00:05:56,089 --> 00:05:58,690 S2: of my night in the living room, usually. 110 00:05:59,450 --> 00:06:02,690 S1: Yeah. So here you are, pastor's wife, and you believe 111 00:06:02,690 --> 00:06:04,729 S1: in prayer, and you believe in God, and you believe 112 00:06:04,730 --> 00:06:07,130 S1: in healing, and you believe that God is a powerful 113 00:06:07,370 --> 00:06:09,930 S1: God to be able to do that. And you write, 114 00:06:09,930 --> 00:06:12,850 S1: I've spent many nights treading water in an ocean of pain, 115 00:06:12,850 --> 00:06:17,290 S1: sinking in confusion when it came to prayer. What was 116 00:06:17,290 --> 00:06:20,170 S1: the what was the real struggle that you were dealing 117 00:06:20,170 --> 00:06:22,650 S1: with as far as you and your relationship with God 118 00:06:22,650 --> 00:06:23,250 S1: in this? 119 00:06:23,970 --> 00:06:27,410 S2: I just kept praying the same thing all the time. 120 00:06:27,410 --> 00:06:30,450 S2: Just help me, heal me, help me, heal me. And 121 00:06:30,450 --> 00:06:34,170 S2: then as years go by and he doesn't heal you, 122 00:06:34,210 --> 00:06:37,169 S2: you begin to wonder. I mean, should I even ask 123 00:06:37,170 --> 00:06:40,490 S2: for healing anymore? Should I pray just that he would 124 00:06:40,490 --> 00:06:44,210 S2: help me endure? Or is it both? And and there 125 00:06:44,210 --> 00:06:48,010 S2: were nights where sometimes I was just angry. All I 126 00:06:48,010 --> 00:06:50,969 S2: wanted was to sleep like literally everyone else. You know, 127 00:06:51,010 --> 00:06:55,279 S2: I just wanted to sleep without this agonizing pain. And 128 00:06:55,480 --> 00:06:59,960 S2: I would just sometimes hiss my prayers at him, you know, 129 00:07:00,000 --> 00:07:04,200 S2: little hard and bitter. And then other nights I would 130 00:07:04,200 --> 00:07:08,640 S2: just cry. And then inevitably, though, every morning I would 131 00:07:08,640 --> 00:07:10,720 S2: watch the sun rise. Our living room, we have these 132 00:07:10,720 --> 00:07:13,680 S2: two doors that are French doors. So they have blinds. 133 00:07:13,680 --> 00:07:16,520 S2: I would open the blinds and watch the sun come up. 134 00:07:16,520 --> 00:07:18,920 S2: I just did this. It's like when I think about 135 00:07:18,920 --> 00:07:23,040 S2: my my 30s, particularly every morning watching the sun rise 136 00:07:23,040 --> 00:07:27,920 S2: because I'd been up for hours and I would think, okay, he, 137 00:07:27,960 --> 00:07:31,440 S2: he kept me, I made it and I would go 138 00:07:31,440 --> 00:07:35,240 S2: about my day and nights were always significantly harder for me, 139 00:07:35,240 --> 00:07:38,200 S2: and I would dread evenings. And because I would just 140 00:07:38,200 --> 00:07:40,480 S2: start the process all over again. And so the question 141 00:07:40,480 --> 00:07:42,720 S2: for me is, how do you pray about the same 142 00:07:42,720 --> 00:07:45,280 S2: thing over and over and over again? 143 00:07:46,080 --> 00:07:48,560 S1: And how do you and you know, God hears, you know, 144 00:07:48,560 --> 00:07:53,060 S1: God hears your your lament, your heart. But the real 145 00:07:53,060 --> 00:07:56,460 S1: question is, is he listening? There's a difference between him 146 00:07:56,460 --> 00:07:59,180 S1: hearing you and listening to you, right? 147 00:07:59,460 --> 00:08:02,780 S2: Yeah. Because I believe he hears. But if it if 148 00:08:02,820 --> 00:08:06,940 S2: it seems like you're praying constantly and you're seeing no 149 00:08:06,940 --> 00:08:08,820 S2: change in your life, then it kind of feels like 150 00:08:08,820 --> 00:08:12,380 S2: he's ignoring you. But I think that's because a lot 151 00:08:12,380 --> 00:08:14,740 S2: of times we come to the Lord with a request 152 00:08:14,740 --> 00:08:19,380 S2: and we can only see one possible positive outcome. And 153 00:08:19,380 --> 00:08:22,260 S2: so if he doesn't do that thing, then we just 154 00:08:22,260 --> 00:08:26,060 S2: assume he's not listening. But I think that's pretty small 155 00:08:26,100 --> 00:08:30,340 S2: minded because sometimes the Lord says no, because he has 156 00:08:30,340 --> 00:08:34,980 S2: a different yes. He has different purposes in, in working 157 00:08:35,020 --> 00:08:37,540 S2: a different answer out in our lives. Just because it's 158 00:08:37,540 --> 00:08:39,700 S2: not the answer we want doesn't mean it's not the 159 00:08:39,700 --> 00:08:40,699 S2: answer we need. 160 00:08:41,260 --> 00:08:44,420 S1: Yeah. So the main question then is, am I going 161 00:08:44,460 --> 00:08:48,220 S1: to trust God with this pain that I'm going through 162 00:08:48,650 --> 00:08:52,450 S1: not to dismiss the pain, because that's one thing that 163 00:08:52,450 --> 00:08:56,050 S1: you don't want to say here and you haven't done is, okay, 164 00:08:56,410 --> 00:08:58,690 S1: I'm going to plug my ears, la la la, or 165 00:08:58,690 --> 00:09:02,570 S1: medicate this away in some way. Uh, you know, if 166 00:09:02,610 --> 00:09:05,209 S1: you try to do that, I totally understand that. And 167 00:09:05,210 --> 00:09:09,330 S1: you've been through all the different treatments yourself. Um, but 168 00:09:09,330 --> 00:09:14,530 S1: this does not negate the reality of the suffering. What 169 00:09:14,530 --> 00:09:19,730 S1: it does is pull you and me kicking and screaming 170 00:09:19,730 --> 00:09:23,770 S1: into the question of, am I going to do I 171 00:09:23,770 --> 00:09:26,770 S1: really believe that God is sovereign? Do I really believe 172 00:09:26,770 --> 00:09:29,530 S1: that he's in control? Or do I need to be 173 00:09:29,530 --> 00:09:34,610 S1: in control and do do I cast on him my 174 00:09:34,610 --> 00:09:39,890 S1: definition of healing in this place? That's the struggle, isn't it? 175 00:09:40,170 --> 00:09:43,690 S2: It is because I think we're so cavalier in the 176 00:09:43,690 --> 00:09:45,610 S2: way that we say, Lord, you can have everything in 177 00:09:45,610 --> 00:09:48,360 S2: my life. I give you everything. You're my lord. You 178 00:09:48,360 --> 00:09:51,960 S2: know you have lordship and authority over my life. Except 179 00:09:52,800 --> 00:09:56,960 S2: this thing. Because it's too hard to endure. But, I mean, 180 00:09:57,000 --> 00:09:59,680 S2: is he Lord or isn't he? Is he trustworthy or 181 00:09:59,679 --> 00:10:01,920 S2: isn't he? If I can't trust him with my pain, 182 00:10:01,920 --> 00:10:05,120 S2: then I can't trust him with anything. And so I 183 00:10:05,120 --> 00:10:08,079 S2: think that's where the wrestling and prayer is good for you. 184 00:10:08,080 --> 00:10:11,240 S2: Because it's good to tell the Lord to to lament, 185 00:10:11,240 --> 00:10:15,240 S2: to complain to him about your circumstances. Because as you 186 00:10:15,240 --> 00:10:17,200 S2: were saying, like you don't want to pretend like the 187 00:10:17,200 --> 00:10:20,040 S2: pain isn't there. Like it's not hard. It is hard. 188 00:10:20,040 --> 00:10:22,480 S2: It can dominate your life. It can be. I mean, 189 00:10:22,520 --> 00:10:26,400 S2: if your life just revolves around mitigating pain, it's really 190 00:10:26,400 --> 00:10:28,800 S2: hard to escape that you can't escape the body you 191 00:10:28,800 --> 00:10:34,559 S2: live in. But there is nothing that God cannot use 192 00:10:34,559 --> 00:10:37,520 S2: for good in your life somehow. And you may not 193 00:10:37,520 --> 00:10:39,200 S2: see it in this life. You may have a hard 194 00:10:39,200 --> 00:10:42,560 S2: time drawing a straight line from the hard thing, the pain, 195 00:10:42,559 --> 00:10:44,880 S2: to the good thing that he can do with the pain. 196 00:10:45,280 --> 00:10:47,950 S2: But I mean, the Christian life is one of faith. 197 00:10:48,070 --> 00:10:52,470 S2: It's not controlling things ourselves or or seeing oh, if 198 00:10:52,470 --> 00:10:54,470 S2: I could see the outcome, what God's going to do 199 00:10:54,470 --> 00:10:55,910 S2: with this, then I can endure it. 200 00:10:55,950 --> 00:10:56,790 S1: Well, that's. 201 00:10:57,110 --> 00:11:00,630 S2: That's not really faith, right? It's believing what you can't 202 00:11:00,630 --> 00:11:03,189 S2: see and trusting that he will be who he has 203 00:11:03,190 --> 00:11:06,830 S2: always been. It's his nature to do good things with 204 00:11:06,830 --> 00:11:07,750 S2: your suffering. 205 00:11:08,030 --> 00:11:10,110 S1: I think of John the Baptist. You know, in that 206 00:11:10,110 --> 00:11:14,070 S1: prison cell, he must increase, I must decrease, and then 207 00:11:14,070 --> 00:11:17,750 S1: he sends his his followers to say, are you the 208 00:11:17,750 --> 00:11:19,630 S1: one or should we be waiting on somebody? You know, 209 00:11:19,670 --> 00:11:22,150 S1: it's like the doubt and the struggle. It's he's right 210 00:11:22,150 --> 00:11:25,470 S1: there in the middle of this. And Glenna has written 211 00:11:25,510 --> 00:11:30,870 S1: a sufferer sufferers lament. It's on page 13 of the book. 212 00:11:30,910 --> 00:11:34,830 S1: And then it continues throughout the book. It is a 213 00:11:34,830 --> 00:11:38,230 S1: prayer that is not just here's a rote prayer. Pray this. 214 00:11:38,230 --> 00:11:41,189 S1: Everything's going to be good. No, it's a prayer that 215 00:11:41,190 --> 00:11:45,369 S1: will sink deeply into your soul as you struggle well 216 00:11:45,850 --> 00:11:50,410 S1: with praying in pain. That's our featured resource. Glenn and Marshall's. 217 00:11:50,410 --> 00:11:54,130 S1: The author subtitled How to Know You're Heard when you 218 00:11:54,130 --> 00:11:58,810 S1: haven't been healed. Anybody? Can I see a waving hand? 219 00:11:58,809 --> 00:12:05,850 S1: Anybody a witness to this? Here's our number (877) 548-3675. Or 220 00:12:05,850 --> 00:12:10,090 S1: go to the website. You'll find out more. Chris Fabry live.org. 221 00:12:19,850 --> 00:12:22,689 S1: Glenn Marshall says, I've never questioned whether God has heard 222 00:12:22,690 --> 00:12:26,570 S1: my cries for help and healing. I fully believe God 223 00:12:26,570 --> 00:12:31,650 S1: has heard every complaint I've ever uttered, but I have 224 00:12:31,650 --> 00:12:36,569 S1: doubted whether he's listening to me. She has worked this out, 225 00:12:36,890 --> 00:12:39,810 S1: and this is actually her sixth book. And I told 226 00:12:39,809 --> 00:12:41,890 S1: her before we went on here, I'm glad you waited 227 00:12:41,890 --> 00:12:44,280 S1: until this book to, to kind of put all these 228 00:12:44,280 --> 00:12:47,200 S1: things because I've, I've read shades of the things that 229 00:12:47,200 --> 00:12:51,240 S1: you've gone through in other books, especially in the memorization 230 00:12:51,240 --> 00:12:54,640 S1: Bible member memory book that you wrote, but it's in 231 00:12:54,640 --> 00:12:58,760 S1: this one, praying in pain that you're really a this 232 00:12:58,760 --> 00:13:01,000 S1: is it. This is where I've been. This is where 233 00:13:01,000 --> 00:13:03,600 S1: I am right now. And I know it's going to 234 00:13:03,600 --> 00:13:07,400 S1: help somebody who's listening. So take me to page 13. 235 00:13:07,440 --> 00:13:11,240 S1: You've got the Sufferer's lament there in front of you, 236 00:13:11,640 --> 00:13:14,679 S1: and you could just read it for us, pray it 237 00:13:14,679 --> 00:13:17,440 S1: for us, but take us through that right now here 238 00:13:17,440 --> 00:13:18,880 S1: at the beginning of the program. 239 00:13:19,720 --> 00:13:22,480 S2: Yeah. And I just want to preface by saying, I 240 00:13:22,720 --> 00:13:27,120 S2: designed this to be the beginning of each little section 241 00:13:27,120 --> 00:13:30,760 S2: comes straight from Scripture, and we're modeling it after the 242 00:13:30,760 --> 00:13:34,080 S2: style of the lament Psalm, which we can talk further about. 243 00:13:34,080 --> 00:13:38,320 S2: But I wanted to give a way to pray about 244 00:13:38,320 --> 00:13:41,000 S2: pain for those who are right in the middle of it, 245 00:13:41,040 --> 00:13:45,590 S2: whether that's physiological pain, maybe even emotional, maybe even spiritual pain. 246 00:13:45,830 --> 00:13:49,949 S2: So this is the sufferer's lament. How long, O Lord? 247 00:13:50,190 --> 00:13:54,069 S2: I feel forgotten in my suffering. Hear me and answer 248 00:13:54,110 --> 00:13:57,150 S2: me when I call to you. Heal me. Be it 249 00:13:57,150 --> 00:14:01,030 S2: miraculously or through the common grace of medicine and intervention. 250 00:14:01,429 --> 00:14:04,470 S2: Help me bear up under the anguish of physical pain 251 00:14:04,470 --> 00:14:09,030 S2: and spiritual discouragement, even if nothing changes. Be with me 252 00:14:09,030 --> 00:14:12,390 S2: when I'm weak and afraid in the shadowed valley. Hold 253 00:14:12,390 --> 00:14:15,270 S2: me with your right hand. Do not let me go. 254 00:14:15,950 --> 00:14:18,430 S2: I trust you with my pain. And I will remember 255 00:14:18,429 --> 00:14:22,270 S2: your promises of faithfulness. Thank you for carrying me through 256 00:14:22,270 --> 00:14:25,470 S2: this trial and for entrusting me with it. I love you, 257 00:14:25,470 --> 00:14:28,750 S2: O Lord, my strength. Resurrect me on that day when 258 00:14:28,750 --> 00:14:32,030 S2: Christ returns to make all things new. Since I have 259 00:14:32,030 --> 00:14:34,910 S2: shared in your sufferings. May I share in your glory. 260 00:14:34,910 --> 00:14:36,510 S2: When you come to take me home. 261 00:14:38,310 --> 00:14:42,660 S1: And everything that you have. The different phrases in that prayer. 262 00:14:42,980 --> 00:14:45,500 S1: That's basically the structure of the book. And I go 263 00:14:45,500 --> 00:14:49,660 S1: to the the phrase, thank you. Thank you for carrying 264 00:14:49,660 --> 00:14:53,540 S1: me through this trial and for entrusting me with it. 265 00:14:53,700 --> 00:14:57,380 S1: This is not you saying, God, thank you for chronic pain. 266 00:14:57,380 --> 00:15:00,980 S1: Chronic pain is just the best thing I've ever been. No, 267 00:15:01,100 --> 00:15:04,100 S1: you don't have to lie to God in order for 268 00:15:04,100 --> 00:15:06,100 S1: him to be happy with you, right? 269 00:15:06,500 --> 00:15:09,900 S2: Right. No, I when I'm dealing with severe pain, it's 270 00:15:09,900 --> 00:15:13,300 S2: the last thing I'm thankful for. Honestly. I'm thankful for 271 00:15:13,420 --> 00:15:16,580 S2: heating pads. I'm thankful for ice packs. I'm thankful for 272 00:15:16,580 --> 00:15:19,940 S2: things that help take the edge off. But no, when 273 00:15:19,940 --> 00:15:22,260 S2: I say thank you to the Lord and it's been 274 00:15:22,260 --> 00:15:24,980 S2: a long time in learning to pray this way, but 275 00:15:24,980 --> 00:15:28,660 S2: I think gratitude guards your heart from bitterness. And so 276 00:15:28,820 --> 00:15:31,979 S2: I think what I've learned to be thankful for is 277 00:15:32,300 --> 00:15:36,460 S2: seeing how God has used suffering in my life for good, 278 00:15:36,460 --> 00:15:41,290 S2: for it being something that has made me lean on 279 00:15:41,290 --> 00:15:44,530 S2: him because I am one of these people, these type 280 00:15:44,570 --> 00:15:50,130 S2: A overachiever driven. Keep your checklist completely checked off people 281 00:15:50,130 --> 00:15:54,370 S2: when self-sufficiency can be a pretty serious idol in my life. 282 00:15:54,370 --> 00:15:58,090 S2: Not needing help, not wanting help. And there is nothing 283 00:15:58,090 --> 00:16:01,050 S2: like a pain condition to show you just how weak 284 00:16:01,090 --> 00:16:04,250 S2: you really are. And truthfully, we're all week and we 285 00:16:04,250 --> 00:16:06,850 S2: all need the Lord's help, even on our best days. 286 00:16:07,010 --> 00:16:09,730 S2: But gosh, on your bad days, you sure do know it. 287 00:16:09,730 --> 00:16:13,050 S2: And so I in some ways am thankful that the 288 00:16:13,050 --> 00:16:17,130 S2: Lord has allowed me to sort of steward the thorn 289 00:16:17,170 --> 00:16:21,410 S2: of physical suffering in order to learn that he is 290 00:16:21,410 --> 00:16:23,250 S2: my strength and my rock. 291 00:16:23,650 --> 00:16:27,650 S1: Well, and here's the thing. You. You've turned to him. 292 00:16:27,650 --> 00:16:30,930 S1: That's the first step. You've gone to him. You've. You've 293 00:16:30,970 --> 00:16:35,290 S1: entrusted this to him even though you haven't been healed, 294 00:16:35,290 --> 00:16:39,950 S1: quote unquote. You. You believe that he's there, that he 295 00:16:39,950 --> 00:16:42,630 S1: has heard you. And in a certain sense, you have 296 00:16:42,630 --> 00:16:44,950 S1: to believe that he listens to you as you pray. 297 00:16:45,070 --> 00:16:48,030 S1: And that's why how long, O Lord, is so important. 298 00:16:48,030 --> 00:16:50,950 S1: That's that echoes a lot of the Psalms, doesn't it? 299 00:16:51,670 --> 00:16:54,270 S2: It does. And that lines there perfectly. I mean, I 300 00:16:54,310 --> 00:16:58,229 S2: pulled that directly from Psalm 13, which is very clearly 301 00:16:58,230 --> 00:17:03,030 S2: a lament Psalm. And I think what's so important about 302 00:17:03,270 --> 00:17:06,510 S2: lament prayer? And we have all of these biblical examples. 303 00:17:06,510 --> 00:17:08,470 S2: I don't know why we don't pray them more often 304 00:17:08,470 --> 00:17:11,150 S2: when this is clearly a biblical outline for prayer when 305 00:17:11,150 --> 00:17:15,070 S2: you're in distress is to biblically complain. Like that's what 306 00:17:15,109 --> 00:17:18,350 S2: lament is. It's a biblical complaint that is supposed to 307 00:17:18,390 --> 00:17:21,870 S2: turn your heart towards the Lord, to trust him with 308 00:17:21,869 --> 00:17:24,510 S2: the things that are happening to you. You could just 309 00:17:24,510 --> 00:17:27,189 S2: complain and stay there, and that's going to lead you 310 00:17:27,190 --> 00:17:29,830 S2: right down the path of bitterness. But a prayer of 311 00:17:29,830 --> 00:17:34,510 S2: lament gives you space to grieve your sorrows about what's 312 00:17:34,510 --> 00:17:38,219 S2: happening to you, to the Lord because where else are 313 00:17:38,220 --> 00:17:40,460 S2: you going to go? That's the first right step, as 314 00:17:40,460 --> 00:17:44,180 S2: you're saying, is to turn to him, acknowledging that he's 315 00:17:44,180 --> 00:17:46,420 S2: the only one who can do anything about your life. 316 00:17:46,740 --> 00:17:48,460 S1: What do you say to the person who says, but 317 00:17:48,460 --> 00:17:52,340 S1: I can't pray? The pain is too intense, and I 318 00:17:52,340 --> 00:17:55,220 S1: don't believe that God is listening to me. 319 00:17:56,340 --> 00:17:59,140 S2: Well, if you don't believe that God is listening to you, 320 00:17:59,460 --> 00:18:02,060 S2: then you are. I love you, but you're believing a 321 00:18:02,060 --> 00:18:06,100 S2: lie because we have so much evidence in Scripture that 322 00:18:06,100 --> 00:18:09,460 S2: God hears our prayers. If you just went through the Psalms, 323 00:18:09,460 --> 00:18:12,740 S2: you would see the psalmist saying, I cried to the Lord, 324 00:18:12,740 --> 00:18:15,420 S2: and he heard me. I called to him, and he 325 00:18:15,420 --> 00:18:18,020 S2: answered me. You just see the Lord hearing the prayers 326 00:18:18,020 --> 00:18:20,980 S2: of his people. And they're in all kinds of, you know, 327 00:18:21,020 --> 00:18:26,020 S2: really serious circumstances of despair and pain and crisis. And, 328 00:18:26,020 --> 00:18:28,100 S2: and then we go over to the New Testament and 329 00:18:28,100 --> 00:18:30,859 S2: you look at the promises that we have, that the 330 00:18:30,859 --> 00:18:34,659 S2: Holy Spirit intercedes for us with groanings too deep for words. 331 00:18:34,730 --> 00:18:37,970 S2: He's basically taking our prayers before the father and making 332 00:18:37,970 --> 00:18:39,850 S2: them as they should be. And then you go over 333 00:18:39,850 --> 00:18:42,570 S2: to Hebrews and you learn that Jesus is seated at 334 00:18:42,570 --> 00:18:44,690 S2: the right hand of the father, and what is he doing? 335 00:18:44,890 --> 00:18:49,730 S2: He is praying for you. So you're never praying alone. 336 00:18:49,730 --> 00:18:52,810 S2: And the Lord is praying with you, and the father 337 00:18:52,810 --> 00:18:55,609 S2: is hearing you. I mean, it's just there's so much 338 00:18:55,650 --> 00:18:59,690 S2: promise in Scripture that the Lord hears our prayers. And 339 00:18:59,690 --> 00:19:04,129 S2: so you have to sort of tell your heart what's true. 340 00:19:04,170 --> 00:19:06,609 S2: Let Scripture tell your heart what's true. It may not 341 00:19:06,609 --> 00:19:10,690 S2: feel like he's listening, but he does. And he is. 342 00:19:10,930 --> 00:19:14,290 S2: And and then second, if it's hard to pray because 343 00:19:14,290 --> 00:19:17,490 S2: your brain is foggy or your body hurts. I mean, 344 00:19:17,530 --> 00:19:20,370 S2: here's what I would do. I would take my phone 345 00:19:20,369 --> 00:19:23,090 S2: and I would pull up an audio Bible app and 346 00:19:23,090 --> 00:19:25,530 S2: I would listen to the Psalms, and I would just 347 00:19:25,530 --> 00:19:28,290 S2: echo them. Whether I'm lying in bed with my eyes closed. 348 00:19:28,290 --> 00:19:31,689 S2: I've done that with a migraine before, and it doesn't 349 00:19:31,690 --> 00:19:34,200 S2: require me to read anything. I'm just going to listen 350 00:19:34,200 --> 00:19:36,080 S2: to the prayers of the psalmist, and I'm going to 351 00:19:36,080 --> 00:19:39,080 S2: call out to the Lord. And sometimes the prayers are 352 00:19:39,080 --> 00:19:42,040 S2: help me. And sometimes they're reminders that his love is 353 00:19:42,040 --> 00:19:43,719 S2: steadfast and never fails. 354 00:19:45,160 --> 00:19:49,800 S1: I have a friend who said this, that, and she said, here's, 355 00:19:49,800 --> 00:19:52,400 S1: here's the situation. And I said, boy, that reminds me 356 00:19:52,400 --> 00:19:55,880 S1: of this. It was a Scott Wesley Brown song. You know, 357 00:19:55,920 --> 00:19:59,480 S1: he will carry you. And, and I sent her, you know, 358 00:19:59,520 --> 00:20:02,600 S1: just pasted that in the email and sent it. Hope 359 00:20:02,600 --> 00:20:05,920 S1: this encouraged you. And she wrote back almost immediately, I 360 00:20:05,960 --> 00:20:08,879 S1: can't listen to music, I can't. It's it's just I, 361 00:20:08,880 --> 00:20:11,400 S1: you know, I can't do that. It was like, I understand. 362 00:20:11,440 --> 00:20:15,760 S1: I don't understand, but I do that. No, even the music. 363 00:20:15,760 --> 00:20:17,719 S1: And maybe there would be somebody who would say, I 364 00:20:17,720 --> 00:20:20,159 S1: can't listen to other people read the Bible. It's, you know, 365 00:20:20,200 --> 00:20:23,439 S1: it's right there. But I think this book is really 366 00:20:23,440 --> 00:20:27,720 S1: going to help. Praying in Pain by Glenna Marshall. It's 367 00:20:27,720 --> 00:20:32,950 S1: our featured resource at Chris favorite.org. One of the hardest things, though, 368 00:20:32,990 --> 00:20:35,510 S1: and tell me if I'm right about this. When you're 369 00:20:35,510 --> 00:20:38,909 S1: going through debilitating pain that you can't get others to 370 00:20:38,950 --> 00:20:43,910 S1: really understand what you're going through. Some can't believe it's 371 00:20:43,910 --> 00:20:48,630 S1: as bad as you say. It's that feeling all alone 372 00:20:48,670 --> 00:20:53,190 S1: with the pain. And nobody feels like nobody knows what 373 00:20:53,190 --> 00:20:56,949 S1: you're going through. Isn't that isolating thing one of the 374 00:20:56,950 --> 00:20:58,070 S1: hardest deals? 375 00:20:58,590 --> 00:21:02,830 S2: It is. I mean, sometimes I struggle because I have 376 00:21:02,830 --> 00:21:05,510 S2: what you would call an invisible illness. So to look 377 00:21:05,510 --> 00:21:08,510 S2: at me, you would think I'm perfectly healthy, but I 378 00:21:08,510 --> 00:21:11,110 S2: could be in so much pain that it's just hard 379 00:21:11,109 --> 00:21:14,109 S2: to do normal tasks. And so I think people see 380 00:21:14,150 --> 00:21:15,870 S2: me like people at church. They see me and think 381 00:21:15,869 --> 00:21:18,990 S2: I'm totally fine. So then when I ask for prayer 382 00:21:19,030 --> 00:21:22,510 S2: during corporate prayer now, thankfully, I love my church family 383 00:21:22,510 --> 00:21:24,270 S2: and they love me. So I really do think they 384 00:21:24,270 --> 00:21:25,910 S2: believe me. But I know there are people who look 385 00:21:25,910 --> 00:21:28,830 S2: at me and think she looks completely fine. Like she 386 00:21:28,830 --> 00:21:32,090 S2: does not look like she's in excruciating pain, but I've 387 00:21:32,090 --> 00:21:37,689 S2: learned to live with a pretty at least moderate level 388 00:21:37,690 --> 00:21:40,210 S2: of pain at all times. And so, you know, this 389 00:21:40,210 --> 00:21:46,250 S2: is where it's very easy in that isolating place to think, um, 390 00:21:46,970 --> 00:21:48,729 S2: I don't know, to get a little tunnel vision, a 391 00:21:48,730 --> 00:21:51,850 S2: little self-focus no one knows pain like I do. You 392 00:21:51,850 --> 00:21:54,330 S2: can start to compare your pain with other people and 393 00:21:54,330 --> 00:21:57,890 S2: then take people for granted. It's hard to be misunderstood 394 00:21:57,930 --> 00:22:00,010 S2: because then what you are very tempted to do is 395 00:22:00,050 --> 00:22:03,770 S2: sort of project that misunderstanding back on people. And so 396 00:22:03,810 --> 00:22:06,929 S2: for me, I've just had to, I've just had to 397 00:22:06,930 --> 00:22:09,730 S2: tell myself, look, no one has lived in your body 398 00:22:09,730 --> 00:22:12,410 S2: but you. And they don't, they just don't know what 399 00:22:12,410 --> 00:22:14,410 S2: they don't know. So you just need to give people 400 00:22:14,410 --> 00:22:16,689 S2: the benefit of the doubt. And then you need to 401 00:22:16,730 --> 00:22:20,450 S2: trust that the Lord does know and knows it better 402 00:22:20,450 --> 00:22:22,970 S2: than I do. What it feels like to be me. And, 403 00:22:23,170 --> 00:22:25,050 S2: and that's, that's got to be enough for me. 404 00:22:25,530 --> 00:22:27,690 S1: And in some ways, you don't even know what, what 405 00:22:27,690 --> 00:22:30,280 S1: it's like, you know, in some ways, you know, it's 406 00:22:30,280 --> 00:22:32,800 S1: very easy to to not be able to be in 407 00:22:32,800 --> 00:22:36,240 S1: touch with your pain because it's so deep in there, 408 00:22:36,280 --> 00:22:39,840 S1: whether it's physical pain or it's the mental anguish that 409 00:22:39,840 --> 00:22:41,760 S1: you have. And I see some folks who are on 410 00:22:41,760 --> 00:22:45,320 S1: Facebook talking about, you know, relational pain and struggle. There's 411 00:22:45,320 --> 00:22:49,280 S1: spiritual pain as well. Um, what do you say to 412 00:22:49,320 --> 00:22:54,640 S1: the person who believes? Well, if you lived a righteous life, 413 00:22:54,640 --> 00:22:58,399 S1: if you did everything, you said all the prayers correctly 414 00:22:58,400 --> 00:23:02,400 S1: and you followed the Ten Commandments. ET cetera. ET cetera. Uh, 415 00:23:02,480 --> 00:23:05,760 S1: be anxious for nothing, then God would heal you. He's 416 00:23:05,800 --> 00:23:08,879 S1: obligated to heal you. What do you say to that person? 417 00:23:10,000 --> 00:23:11,760 S2: Well, I would say two things. First, I'd say God 418 00:23:11,760 --> 00:23:14,320 S2: is not obligated to do anything that I tell him 419 00:23:14,320 --> 00:23:16,840 S2: to do. He is God, and he sits in the 420 00:23:16,840 --> 00:23:19,119 S2: heavens and does as he pleases, and what he does 421 00:23:19,119 --> 00:23:21,639 S2: will be right. The second thing I would say is, 422 00:23:21,640 --> 00:23:24,320 S2: let me introduce you to the Apostle Paul in second 423 00:23:24,320 --> 00:23:28,310 S2: Corinthians 12, because here is a man who I mean, 424 00:23:28,350 --> 00:23:31,750 S2: we it's Paul. I mean, he is the writer with 425 00:23:31,750 --> 00:23:33,910 S2: the Holy Spirit of much of the New Testament. He 426 00:23:33,910 --> 00:23:38,030 S2: was the father of missions, you know, taking the gospel 427 00:23:38,030 --> 00:23:40,710 S2: to all the known world. And he had a pretty 428 00:23:40,750 --> 00:23:44,630 S2: serious weakness in his life. And he prayed and prayed 429 00:23:44,630 --> 00:23:46,910 S2: that the Lord would remove it. And you know what 430 00:23:46,910 --> 00:23:50,270 S2: the Lord said? No, the Lord said, I will not 431 00:23:50,310 --> 00:23:52,710 S2: remove it. And the reason I'm not going to remove 432 00:23:52,710 --> 00:23:54,110 S2: it is because I need you to know that my 433 00:23:54,109 --> 00:23:56,630 S2: grace is sufficient for you and that my power is 434 00:23:56,630 --> 00:24:00,830 S2: made perfect in weakness. And so I think that it's 435 00:24:00,830 --> 00:24:03,869 S2: it's a little harsh, maybe even more than a little 436 00:24:03,910 --> 00:24:08,109 S2: harsh to say to someone, if you did this, then 437 00:24:08,150 --> 00:24:12,989 S2: God would do that. Um, because I don't think you 438 00:24:12,990 --> 00:24:15,070 S2: can put God in a box like that when it 439 00:24:15,070 --> 00:24:18,510 S2: comes to healing. We do not have guarantees of physical 440 00:24:18,510 --> 00:24:22,909 S2: healing this side of heaven in Scripture. Sometimes God does heal, 441 00:24:23,390 --> 00:24:26,630 S2: but he is not bound to heal. There's no promise 442 00:24:26,700 --> 00:24:29,740 S2: that binds him to that. Sometimes he does heal. Sometimes 443 00:24:29,740 --> 00:24:33,820 S2: he heals miraculously. My dad had terminal cancer, was diagnosed 444 00:24:33,820 --> 00:24:36,860 S2: 18 months ago with terminal cancer. A year ago, my 445 00:24:36,859 --> 00:24:40,100 S2: dad was miraculously healed. I cannot explain it other than 446 00:24:40,100 --> 00:24:44,820 S2: a miracle. I have temporary healing through medication. If I 447 00:24:44,820 --> 00:24:47,899 S2: stop the medication, I lose the healing. One of my 448 00:24:47,900 --> 00:24:53,180 S2: very best friends had cancer. I prayed, fasted, prayed, prayed, 449 00:24:53,180 --> 00:24:55,860 S2: prayed for her, and the Lord took her home. And 450 00:24:55,859 --> 00:24:58,859 S2: I believe she was healed in heaven. And so I 451 00:24:58,859 --> 00:25:01,139 S2: do think that the Lord heals, but he will heal 452 00:25:01,140 --> 00:25:03,780 S2: in his own way and his own purpose. And I 453 00:25:03,780 --> 00:25:05,980 S2: don't think we need to put that, that onus on 454 00:25:05,980 --> 00:25:09,100 S2: the person who is unwell, saying, if you did this, 455 00:25:09,100 --> 00:25:10,820 S2: then God would do that. That's a little bit of 456 00:25:10,820 --> 00:25:14,940 S2: the prosperity gospel. It's a little sneaky, like it's performative, 457 00:25:15,380 --> 00:25:15,899 S2: you know. 458 00:25:16,180 --> 00:25:19,260 S1: It's transactional. It's I do this for God. He does 459 00:25:19,260 --> 00:25:21,260 S1: that for me. And that's why I think a lot 460 00:25:21,260 --> 00:25:25,180 S1: of people walk away because he doesn't keep his end 461 00:25:25,180 --> 00:25:28,810 S1: of the bargain that he never made. So the power 462 00:25:28,810 --> 00:25:31,450 S1: of prayer. What is the power of prayer? And there 463 00:25:31,450 --> 00:25:34,409 S1: may be you might be listening today saying, you know, 464 00:25:34,810 --> 00:25:37,650 S1: God bless you, friend. You keep praying. But what is 465 00:25:37,650 --> 00:25:40,770 S1: the power of prayer? I want to talk about Hezekiah. 466 00:25:41,210 --> 00:25:44,450 S1: Glenn and Marshall is with us today praying in pain 467 00:25:44,450 --> 00:25:48,250 S1: as our featured resource. Chris Fabry live.org. Are you going 468 00:25:48,250 --> 00:26:08,330 S1: through this (877) 548-3675. Praying in pain is our featured resource today@chris.org. 469 00:26:08,369 --> 00:26:12,810 S1: It's by Glenna Marshall, subtitled How to Know your heard 470 00:26:12,810 --> 00:26:16,649 S1: when you haven't been healed and going to do calls 471 00:26:16,650 --> 00:26:23,530 S1: the numbers (877) 548-3675. Before we do that though, Glenna answer 472 00:26:23,530 --> 00:26:26,470 S1: the question, why pray? Because you talk about this in 473 00:26:26,470 --> 00:26:29,350 S1: the book about, you know, good vibes. Send your good 474 00:26:29,350 --> 00:26:33,230 S1: vibes to people and and send your thoughts and prayers. 475 00:26:33,270 --> 00:26:35,550 S1: You know, I hear this all the time. If God 476 00:26:35,590 --> 00:26:37,630 S1: is sovereign, if God's going to do what he's going 477 00:26:37,670 --> 00:26:40,990 S1: to do, why? Why should I pray? What is the 478 00:26:40,990 --> 00:26:42,710 S1: power in prayer? 479 00:26:43,990 --> 00:26:47,790 S2: You know, we pray because God tells us to. You know, 480 00:26:47,830 --> 00:26:52,470 S2: we have all these commands and precedents in Scripture for prayer. 481 00:26:52,510 --> 00:26:55,190 S2: It is an assumed part of the Christian life that 482 00:26:55,190 --> 00:26:57,710 S2: we will pray, that we will. That we will seek 483 00:26:57,750 --> 00:27:00,149 S2: God's help, that we will praise him, that will confess 484 00:27:00,150 --> 00:27:03,670 S2: our sins, that will intercede for others, that will thank him. 485 00:27:03,710 --> 00:27:07,030 S2: I mean, there's all these different components of prayer. Even 486 00:27:07,030 --> 00:27:10,630 S2: Jesus in the sermon on the Mount said, when you pray, 487 00:27:10,790 --> 00:27:15,310 S2: pray like this, we pray because the Lord tells us to. Um. 488 00:27:15,950 --> 00:27:20,190 S2: How God is sovereign and still works through our prayers 489 00:27:20,190 --> 00:27:23,500 S2: is a huge mystery to me, and I think there's 490 00:27:23,540 --> 00:27:26,180 S2: a part of that that I really like, because if 491 00:27:26,180 --> 00:27:28,500 S2: God were so small that my little mind could understand 492 00:27:28,500 --> 00:27:31,459 S2: every aspect of his being, I'm not sure that would 493 00:27:31,500 --> 00:27:35,300 S2: be saying much. So there is mystery. I think God's 494 00:27:35,300 --> 00:27:38,460 S2: sovereign plans and him accomplishing the purpose that he has 495 00:27:38,460 --> 00:27:41,580 S2: set forth before the foundations of the world. Ephesians one. 496 00:27:42,100 --> 00:27:46,459 S2: Somehow he accomplishes those things while working through our prayers. 497 00:27:46,460 --> 00:27:48,540 S2: It's almost like they're two sides of the same coin. 498 00:27:48,540 --> 00:27:51,540 S2: If I were to really distill that imagery down really simply, 499 00:27:51,940 --> 00:27:53,979 S2: we pray because he tells us to, and because he 500 00:27:53,980 --> 00:27:58,020 S2: is pleased to act. And it's hard to understand, but 501 00:27:58,020 --> 00:28:00,100 S2: I trust him. I trust him in it. 502 00:28:01,260 --> 00:28:04,379 S1: And this is not the prayer code. This is not 503 00:28:04,380 --> 00:28:07,740 S1: figuring out the bibbidi bobbidi boo in order to get 504 00:28:07,780 --> 00:28:10,020 S1: God to do what you want him to do, it's 505 00:28:10,020 --> 00:28:17,659 S1: really surrender and dependence on on him, on his sustaining power, 506 00:28:17,660 --> 00:28:20,020 S1: on his grace and his mercy in the middle of 507 00:28:20,020 --> 00:28:22,930 S1: the pain and the struggle, whatever that happens to be 508 00:28:22,930 --> 00:28:24,250 S1: in your life. Right? 509 00:28:24,810 --> 00:28:26,929 S2: Yeah. I mean, sometimes I might have the idea. I'm 510 00:28:26,930 --> 00:28:28,370 S2: going to sit down and pray. I'm going to ask 511 00:28:28,369 --> 00:28:30,250 S2: the Lord for X, Y, and Z. That's what I'm 512 00:28:30,250 --> 00:28:33,050 S2: praying for. And sometimes that's exactly what happens. And sometimes 513 00:28:33,050 --> 00:28:34,810 S2: I sit down and pray with a purpose that I 514 00:28:34,810 --> 00:28:37,729 S2: really just am asking him for something. And then I 515 00:28:37,730 --> 00:28:40,170 S2: go through and I try to settle my heart to 516 00:28:40,210 --> 00:28:43,969 S2: begin by declaring who he is, that he's faithful and good, 517 00:28:43,970 --> 00:28:46,530 S2: that his steadfast love never ceases, that his mercies are 518 00:28:46,530 --> 00:28:48,890 S2: new every morning. And when I'm reflecting on those things, 519 00:28:48,890 --> 00:28:53,930 S2: it's almost like the prayer changes my desires and I 520 00:28:53,930 --> 00:28:56,410 S2: start to pray more in line with whatever God might 521 00:28:56,410 --> 00:28:59,530 S2: want for me. I think there is a time and 522 00:28:59,530 --> 00:29:02,330 S2: a place for asking God for specific things, and I 523 00:29:02,330 --> 00:29:05,570 S2: do that on a daily basis. But sometimes the power 524 00:29:05,570 --> 00:29:08,250 S2: of prayer is just sitting and talking to the Lord 525 00:29:08,250 --> 00:29:10,770 S2: and letting him realign your desires. 526 00:29:11,170 --> 00:29:14,730 S1: Yes. Summers in Indiana. Summer. Why'd you call today? 527 00:29:16,810 --> 00:29:20,680 S3: Um, I turned the radio on just by happenstance and 528 00:29:20,880 --> 00:29:24,240 S3: started hearing kind of like what I'm actually going through, 529 00:29:24,240 --> 00:29:26,120 S3: and I'm going to try real hard not to be emotional, 530 00:29:26,120 --> 00:29:32,040 S3: but it is difficult. Um, so I have two invisible illnesses. Um, 531 00:29:32,640 --> 00:29:37,280 S3: one is an autoimmune issue. Um, it's mixed connective tissue 532 00:29:37,320 --> 00:29:40,600 S3: disease where and lupus is one of the main things. 533 00:29:40,640 --> 00:29:42,640 S3: So there's a lot of weakness there. There's a lot 534 00:29:42,640 --> 00:29:46,200 S3: of pain, inflammation, all that kind of stuff. Um, but 535 00:29:46,200 --> 00:29:48,760 S3: the main thing that I struggle with is something called 536 00:29:48,760 --> 00:29:52,360 S3: Chiari malformation. Uh, like to sum it up super quick 537 00:29:52,360 --> 00:29:54,800 S3: is just the bottom part of your brain herniates into 538 00:29:54,800 --> 00:29:58,440 S3: your spinal column. So obviously there's a lot of pain, 539 00:29:58,440 --> 00:30:02,440 S3: there's a lot of compression. Um, but I've been dealing 540 00:30:02,440 --> 00:30:07,920 S3: with this, um, I had actual brain surgery in 2009. Um, 541 00:30:08,560 --> 00:30:13,680 S3: and from that day I haven't not had a headache. Um, it's, 542 00:30:14,000 --> 00:30:19,830 S3: it's 24 over seven. Um, and I, uh. Oh, I'm 543 00:30:19,830 --> 00:30:27,270 S3: trying so hard. Um, but I struggle because I know 544 00:30:27,270 --> 00:30:30,430 S3: that God is good. I know that he's sovereign. I 545 00:30:30,430 --> 00:30:35,430 S3: know that. Um, but I also know he can heal me. 546 00:30:35,430 --> 00:30:39,790 S3: And so there is that struggle of praying and why 547 00:30:39,830 --> 00:30:43,070 S3: to keep praying when it's not working. I've been prayed over. 548 00:30:43,070 --> 00:30:47,550 S3: I've prayed personally. I've tried all of the, um, the 549 00:30:47,550 --> 00:30:49,830 S3: medicines that the doctor gives me. I'm on a shot 550 00:30:49,830 --> 00:30:53,190 S3: once a month. I take Botox to try and, um, 551 00:30:53,230 --> 00:30:58,790 S3: help with the headaches and nothing even touches it anymore. Um, 552 00:30:59,150 --> 00:31:02,110 S3: and I refuse to go on pain medicine, just personal 553 00:31:02,110 --> 00:31:06,470 S3: choice because I know how addicting those can be. Um, 554 00:31:06,470 --> 00:31:08,910 S3: so I'm just in pain all the time. And so 555 00:31:08,950 --> 00:31:13,790 S3: I struggle to read because, um, I get dizzy, I get, um, 556 00:31:14,270 --> 00:31:18,290 S3: plus it's just painful. Uh, light hurts, Sound hurts. I 557 00:31:18,290 --> 00:31:20,490 S3: get dizzy. Um. 558 00:31:20,850 --> 00:31:23,450 S1: Just you being on the phone with us, Summer. Just 559 00:31:23,490 --> 00:31:25,810 S1: you being able to talk. And as you say, the 560 00:31:25,810 --> 00:31:30,690 S1: emotion there. Being able to express what you're expressing. Um, 561 00:31:31,090 --> 00:31:34,210 S1: let me get Glenn in here because I think and again, 562 00:31:34,250 --> 00:31:37,250 S1: this is Glenn. You're not offering a get my book 563 00:31:37,290 --> 00:31:38,650 S1: and you'll be fixed. 564 00:31:39,410 --> 00:31:40,530 S2: Definitely not. 565 00:31:40,730 --> 00:31:42,170 S1: What would you say to Summer? 566 00:31:42,970 --> 00:31:46,170 S2: I first just want to say I'm so sorry, and 567 00:31:46,170 --> 00:31:48,969 S2: I can't. I'm not going to offer any kind of 568 00:31:48,970 --> 00:31:51,730 S2: fix it because there isn't one. And just to live 569 00:31:51,730 --> 00:31:55,330 S2: with that amount of ongoing pain is so hard. I 570 00:31:55,330 --> 00:31:57,330 S2: just know there are so many people in your life 571 00:31:57,330 --> 00:31:59,490 S2: who have no idea what it's like to be you. 572 00:32:00,010 --> 00:32:03,170 S2: I do want to tell you that as I'm sitting 573 00:32:03,170 --> 00:32:05,170 S2: here listening to you and just praying like, Lord, how 574 00:32:05,170 --> 00:32:07,450 S2: can I encourage her? Because this is such a hard 575 00:32:07,450 --> 00:32:11,370 S2: thing to live with. No one knows suffering like Jesus. 576 00:32:11,570 --> 00:32:15,090 S2: And I think of the way he's described. I think 577 00:32:15,090 --> 00:32:19,200 S2: it's in Hebrews seven and Hebrews four, as he's not, 578 00:32:19,240 --> 00:32:23,240 S2: we don't have this mediator in Christ who's unfamiliar with suffering. 579 00:32:23,240 --> 00:32:26,200 S2: He's so familiar, and he knows what it's like to 580 00:32:26,240 --> 00:32:28,760 S2: be us. And he knows what it's like to hurt. 581 00:32:28,760 --> 00:32:32,840 S2: And I just, um, I just want to encourage you 582 00:32:32,880 --> 00:32:36,600 S2: that he sees your pain and understands it, and he's 583 00:32:36,600 --> 00:32:39,680 S2: with you. I can't tell you why he won't heal you. 584 00:32:39,680 --> 00:32:42,720 S2: Only the Lord knows the answer to that. But I 585 00:32:42,720 --> 00:32:45,240 S2: do think because it sounds like you have a soft 586 00:32:45,240 --> 00:32:49,160 S2: heart that just you want there to be something in this, 587 00:32:49,160 --> 00:32:52,400 S2: that that works for good in your life. Um, I 588 00:32:52,440 --> 00:32:55,000 S2: think if you will just keep turning to him, I 589 00:32:55,000 --> 00:32:58,040 S2: know he will help you to endure it. I wish 590 00:32:58,040 --> 00:32:59,959 S2: there was a quick fix like I could promise you 591 00:32:59,960 --> 00:33:02,200 S2: the Lord's going to heal you like this, I can't, 592 00:33:02,200 --> 00:33:06,160 S2: I can promise you that he is with you on 593 00:33:06,160 --> 00:33:08,360 S2: every day that you feel like I just can't take 594 00:33:08,360 --> 00:33:10,920 S2: it one more day. He's right there and he never 595 00:33:10,920 --> 00:33:11,720 S2: leaves you. 596 00:33:13,440 --> 00:33:16,470 S1: Some are personal question you don't have to answer. Are 597 00:33:16,470 --> 00:33:17,870 S1: you married? Are you single? 598 00:33:19,550 --> 00:33:22,150 S3: I've actually called you before because I was in an 599 00:33:22,150 --> 00:33:26,989 S3: abusive marriage. Um, now I'm single. Um, but you were 600 00:33:26,990 --> 00:33:29,990 S3: talking about divorce and all that kind of stuff, so 601 00:33:29,990 --> 00:33:33,670 S3: I ended up calling before, but, um, I'm going through some. 602 00:33:34,870 --> 00:33:39,430 S3: I'm better now. It's been two years, but that was 603 00:33:39,430 --> 00:33:42,750 S3: a whole nother situation. It was a divorce. And then 604 00:33:42,750 --> 00:33:46,190 S3: he got remarried within a year. And, um, so I've 605 00:33:46,190 --> 00:33:49,950 S3: had a lot of, you know, emotional things going on 606 00:33:49,950 --> 00:33:56,270 S3: as well. And I, I know, like, logically that I 607 00:33:56,270 --> 00:33:58,430 S3: know that God is going to get me through this. Like, 608 00:33:58,470 --> 00:34:02,310 S3: so there is that, that part of me that knows it. 609 00:34:02,750 --> 00:34:05,630 S3: But sometimes I feel like I can't keep doing this, Lord. 610 00:34:05,670 --> 00:34:09,510 S3: Like I don't know how much more I can take. 611 00:34:10,310 --> 00:34:12,109 S3: So I just end up praying, you know, God, get 612 00:34:12,110 --> 00:34:16,620 S3: me through today because I can't focus on tomorrow or 613 00:34:16,620 --> 00:34:19,260 S3: next week. Because if I think about going through this 614 00:34:19,260 --> 00:34:24,500 S3: every single day, it's just too overwhelming. But it's hard 615 00:34:24,500 --> 00:34:28,540 S3: when no one understands the pain that you're in. 616 00:34:29,500 --> 00:34:31,020 S1: And that was the other question I was going to 617 00:34:31,060 --> 00:34:34,299 S1: ask you. Summer, do you have people in your life, 618 00:34:34,340 --> 00:34:37,299 S1: you know, and now you're divorced, so your husband is 619 00:34:37,300 --> 00:34:43,020 S1: not can't couldn't answer that. Uh, Glenda's husband, William, writes 620 00:34:43,020 --> 00:34:46,820 S1: in a note afterwards, and he begins with a confession saying, 621 00:34:47,140 --> 00:34:50,100 S1: I didn't handle this as well as I wish I had. 622 00:34:50,140 --> 00:34:54,540 S1: And that's very vulnerable. They're both vulnerable in the book. 623 00:34:54,900 --> 00:34:57,819 S1: But I wondered if you have people in your life 624 00:34:57,820 --> 00:35:03,460 S1: who just don't get summer. They don't understand why it's 625 00:35:03,500 --> 00:35:07,060 S1: such so hard for her. And it sounds like maybe 626 00:35:07,060 --> 00:35:12,609 S1: family members or friends don't understand the the debilitation that 627 00:35:12,610 --> 00:35:13,410 S1: you've gone through. 628 00:35:15,130 --> 00:35:20,410 S3: I think. Well, my ex-husband didn't and he would. And 629 00:35:20,410 --> 00:35:23,930 S3: so I have that internal thing of I was called 630 00:35:23,930 --> 00:35:28,210 S3: lazy when I would need to, when I literally couldn't function. 631 00:35:28,210 --> 00:35:30,890 S3: I didn't get any stuff done around the house and 632 00:35:31,090 --> 00:35:33,850 S3: I was called lazy. And, um, he said I was 633 00:35:33,850 --> 00:35:37,010 S3: exaggerating so that I'm glad that I'm out of that. 634 00:35:37,010 --> 00:35:41,969 S3: I have very supportive parents and a cousin that's like 635 00:35:42,010 --> 00:35:45,489 S3: a sister to me. And they try to understand. They 636 00:35:45,489 --> 00:35:49,770 S3: really do. Yeah. But if you don't go through it, 637 00:35:50,170 --> 00:35:54,450 S3: it's really hard to understand it. Like there's some days 638 00:35:54,450 --> 00:35:58,180 S3: where I, I start at my base level, like 3 639 00:35:58,180 --> 00:36:01,689 S3: or 4 and I can function, I can get through 640 00:36:01,690 --> 00:36:04,770 S3: the day. I'm in pain, but it's kind of like 641 00:36:05,090 --> 00:36:09,009 S3: you get used to it in some way. But on 642 00:36:09,010 --> 00:36:11,470 S3: those days where it's really bad. And I'm like, I, 643 00:36:11,510 --> 00:36:15,670 S3: I can't drive because I'm dizzy and I, I can't 644 00:36:15,670 --> 00:36:18,390 S3: function or my arms are so weak that I can't 645 00:36:18,390 --> 00:36:23,310 S3: wash my hair. Um, those things. I think it's just 646 00:36:23,310 --> 00:36:26,310 S3: hard because I try to explain it, but even as 647 00:36:26,310 --> 00:36:29,549 S3: hard as they try to understand, they can't really get 648 00:36:29,550 --> 00:36:33,830 S3: it unless you're going through it. And so it's hard. 649 00:36:33,870 --> 00:36:37,150 S3: It's just hard. It's hard to go through knowing like, 650 00:36:37,190 --> 00:36:39,069 S3: tomorrow I'm going to wake up and I'm going to 651 00:36:39,070 --> 00:36:41,190 S3: be in pain, and the next day I'm going to 652 00:36:41,190 --> 00:36:43,670 S3: wake up and I'm going to be in pain. And, um. 653 00:36:44,670 --> 00:36:48,590 S1: I can't tell you somewhere how glad. Yes. You wonder. 654 00:36:48,710 --> 00:36:51,509 S1: And that's toward the end of the book, Leonard talks 655 00:36:51,510 --> 00:36:54,630 S1: about resurrection, and we're going to get to that. But 656 00:36:54,670 --> 00:36:56,910 S1: I want you to hang on because Tricia's going to 657 00:36:56,910 --> 00:36:59,270 S1: get your information. I know it may be hard to 658 00:36:59,310 --> 00:37:02,029 S1: read at times, but at those times when you feel 659 00:37:02,030 --> 00:37:08,109 S1: like you can, I think this lament that Glenna has 660 00:37:08,110 --> 00:37:11,779 S1: written is really going to be helpful to you. And 661 00:37:11,780 --> 00:37:14,180 S1: the thing that I'm really glad that you called about 662 00:37:14,180 --> 00:37:17,700 S1: is there is somebody who is going through that. The 663 00:37:17,739 --> 00:37:20,660 S1: same type of thing may not be exactly the same 664 00:37:20,660 --> 00:37:24,700 S1: as what you've described, but you have put into words 665 00:37:24,700 --> 00:37:30,500 S1: what they feel, that nobody understands them, and the aloneness 666 00:37:30,500 --> 00:37:34,660 S1: that you have felt and the struggle and the, the psychological, 667 00:37:34,700 --> 00:37:37,420 S1: the mental struggle that you've gone through along with the 668 00:37:37,420 --> 00:37:40,460 S1: physical is going to minister to them. So I just 669 00:37:40,460 --> 00:37:42,580 S1: want you to I want to thank you for being 670 00:37:42,620 --> 00:37:45,620 S1: faithful to pain, to the pain that you have gone through. 671 00:37:45,620 --> 00:37:48,100 S1: And again, hang on, we'll send a copy of this 672 00:37:48,100 --> 00:37:51,140 S1: book to you by Glenna Marshall. You can find out 673 00:37:51,140 --> 00:37:54,739 S1: more about it at Chris Fabry live.org. It's titled Praying 674 00:37:54,739 --> 00:37:55,739 S1: in Pain. 675 00:38:04,380 --> 00:38:06,420 S4: Hey, thanks for your support of Chris Fabry Live. 676 00:38:06,420 --> 00:38:11,370 S1: I just saw from InterVarsity press. I just saw this 677 00:38:11,370 --> 00:38:15,210 S1: note that said, I believe it's tomorrow that J.I. Packer 678 00:38:15,210 --> 00:38:19,930 S1: turns 100. He passed away a few years ago. But J.I. 679 00:38:19,969 --> 00:38:24,049 S1: Packer is about a week away from the same age 680 00:38:24,050 --> 00:38:27,770 S1: as Moody. Radio is. Moody radio turns 100 a week 681 00:38:27,770 --> 00:38:31,649 S1: from today. And if you want to support what we 682 00:38:31,650 --> 00:38:33,330 S1: do here at the back fence, some of you have 683 00:38:33,330 --> 00:38:38,930 S1: done that today. Thank you. We're sending this pictorial book 684 00:38:38,930 --> 00:38:42,609 S1: called This is Moody Radio 100 Years Proclaiming the gospel. 685 00:38:42,610 --> 00:38:45,330 S1: I got stuck on pictorial because I've called it pictorial 686 00:38:45,330 --> 00:38:48,649 S1: for so long. Um, it's got pictures in it. I 687 00:38:48,650 --> 00:38:51,930 S1: just say that and it's really, really encouraging. And tomorrow 688 00:38:51,930 --> 00:38:54,089 S1: Ron Hutchcraft is going to be with us and we're 689 00:38:54,090 --> 00:38:57,930 S1: going to talk about Rescue Radio here. If Moody Radio 690 00:38:57,969 --> 00:39:00,450 S1: has been that for you in some way. Thanks for 691 00:39:00,450 --> 00:39:04,489 S1: your support. Just go to Chris fabry.org. I really want 692 00:39:04,530 --> 00:39:07,840 S1: to talk though, about summer before we move on here, Glenna, 693 00:39:07,880 --> 00:39:10,200 S1: because I want to ask you to pray for her. 694 00:39:10,239 --> 00:39:13,080 S1: She's not on the line now, but. And we're going 695 00:39:13,080 --> 00:39:15,319 S1: to send her a copy of your book. But I 696 00:39:15,360 --> 00:39:18,800 S1: wondered what you would pray for her in her situation. 697 00:39:19,520 --> 00:39:21,960 S2: Yeah. And I just want to say, Summer, if you're 698 00:39:21,960 --> 00:39:26,520 S2: still listening, that thought about not being able to think 699 00:39:26,520 --> 00:39:29,320 S2: about the future because I can't live like this for 700 00:39:29,320 --> 00:39:32,600 S2: ten more years, 15 years, that is, that's so normal 701 00:39:32,600 --> 00:39:35,839 S2: for people like us. We all really struggle to think 702 00:39:35,840 --> 00:39:39,239 S2: long term, which is why I think it's so important 703 00:39:39,239 --> 00:39:41,719 S2: to remember that the Lord gives you just what you 704 00:39:41,719 --> 00:39:45,600 S2: need for today. He gives you new morning mercies every morning, 705 00:39:45,719 --> 00:39:48,160 S2: and you don't have to think about ten years from now. 706 00:39:48,200 --> 00:39:50,960 S2: You really can't just think about today because he'll give 707 00:39:50,960 --> 00:39:52,600 S2: you what you need for today. And when you get 708 00:39:52,600 --> 00:39:54,920 S2: up tomorrow, he'll give you what you need for tomorrow. 709 00:39:54,920 --> 00:39:58,880 S2: So I'd be happy to pray for her real quickly. Um, Lord, 710 00:39:58,880 --> 00:40:01,680 S2: I do pray for summer. I know that it's such 711 00:40:01,719 --> 00:40:04,600 S2: a hard thing to live with. Just the chronic headaches 712 00:40:04,660 --> 00:40:08,580 S2: and weakness and dizziness and being unable to really to 713 00:40:08,620 --> 00:40:11,580 S2: read or do certain things that might bring her encouragement. Lord, 714 00:40:11,900 --> 00:40:13,779 S2: I know that you'll meet her where she is, and 715 00:40:13,780 --> 00:40:16,180 S2: I ask that you would give her encouragement today to 716 00:40:16,219 --> 00:40:18,779 S2: know that you have carried her this far, and you 717 00:40:18,820 --> 00:40:21,299 S2: will continue to carry her, because you are a God 718 00:40:21,300 --> 00:40:24,339 S2: who keeps. And I pray, Lord, that that would just 719 00:40:24,340 --> 00:40:26,859 S2: be so comforting to her. I do pray, Lord, that 720 00:40:26,860 --> 00:40:29,580 S2: you would heal her and bring her some relief from 721 00:40:29,580 --> 00:40:32,020 S2: her pain. And so we ask that you do that 722 00:40:32,020 --> 00:40:33,540 S2: in Jesus name. Amen. 723 00:40:33,860 --> 00:40:37,819 S1: Amen. Michael, you wanted to say something about summer. Go 724 00:40:37,820 --> 00:40:38,420 S1: right ahead. 725 00:40:40,540 --> 00:40:43,140 S5: Hi there. How are y'all? Um, Summer, I just wanted 726 00:40:43,140 --> 00:40:45,180 S5: to let you know the Holy Spirit put it on 727 00:40:45,180 --> 00:40:48,379 S5: my heart to remind you that the fact that you 728 00:40:48,380 --> 00:40:52,259 S5: go through your hardships and your struggles, but yet you 729 00:40:52,260 --> 00:40:55,300 S5: still know that God is great and you still know 730 00:40:55,300 --> 00:40:58,100 S5: that God can turn it around at any point in time. 731 00:40:58,900 --> 00:41:01,700 S5: That is the biggest victory over the enemy that God 732 00:41:01,700 --> 00:41:04,049 S5: could ever ask for any of us, and the fact 733 00:41:04,050 --> 00:41:07,810 S5: that your heart still stays pointed towards him, knowing that 734 00:41:07,810 --> 00:41:12,170 S5: he could turn it around whenever that that is. That's 735 00:41:12,170 --> 00:41:14,650 S5: the heart that he longs for and looks for. And 736 00:41:14,890 --> 00:41:18,490 S5: you're walking with Christ more than you realize by going 737 00:41:18,489 --> 00:41:22,530 S5: through it and just asking for the the daily bread, 738 00:41:22,530 --> 00:41:26,129 S5: just each and every day instead of focusing, you know, 739 00:41:26,170 --> 00:41:29,210 S5: a few years down the line or wondering when's it 740 00:41:29,210 --> 00:41:31,730 S5: going to heal you, you focus on, Lord, just give 741 00:41:31,730 --> 00:41:35,250 S5: me the strength for today and the fact that you 742 00:41:35,250 --> 00:41:38,049 S5: stand in that strength, even though you're still curious if 743 00:41:38,050 --> 00:41:40,009 S5: it's going to happen, if you're going to get healed, 744 00:41:40,730 --> 00:41:44,370 S5: that that's a victory over the enemy, that father is 745 00:41:44,370 --> 00:41:48,049 S5: glorifying you over without you even realizing. And there's a 746 00:41:48,050 --> 00:41:49,810 S5: whole other world that we're going to be faced with, 747 00:41:49,810 --> 00:41:52,450 S5: that we're going to be with him for all eternity, 748 00:41:52,610 --> 00:41:54,490 S5: and you will get paid back. Even if you don't 749 00:41:54,489 --> 00:41:58,770 S5: see your healing in this life, you will see your 750 00:41:58,770 --> 00:42:02,400 S5: reward for you staying faithful to his love and not 751 00:42:02,400 --> 00:42:06,040 S5: not letting it go. Not letting the enemy win. Through 752 00:42:06,520 --> 00:42:09,719 S5: your struggles and your pain, your struggles and your health. 753 00:42:10,160 --> 00:42:12,480 S5: That all comes from the devil. That's that's a tactic 754 00:42:12,480 --> 00:42:15,000 S5: that he tries to use to pull us away. And 755 00:42:15,000 --> 00:42:17,160 S5: the fact that you still stay grounded, knowing that God 756 00:42:17,160 --> 00:42:19,279 S5: is great, that, yeah, he could heal you at any 757 00:42:19,280 --> 00:42:21,439 S5: point in time or he might not, but you still 758 00:42:21,440 --> 00:42:24,320 S5: walk with him. That's the love that he longs for 759 00:42:24,360 --> 00:42:27,160 S5: in all of us. And that just speaks levels to 760 00:42:27,200 --> 00:42:30,320 S5: the strength that you have in him. So keep walking 761 00:42:30,320 --> 00:42:33,600 S5: with that and keep walking with him because you knowing 762 00:42:33,640 --> 00:42:36,600 S5: that he is still great no matter what you see, 763 00:42:36,640 --> 00:42:40,280 S5: healing wise or not knowing that he still loves you 764 00:42:40,760 --> 00:42:43,040 S5: for who you are and you still love him is 765 00:42:43,040 --> 00:42:46,840 S5: all he wants. So you will see heaven one day. 766 00:42:47,280 --> 00:42:50,399 S1: Michael, I'm so glad you were faithful to that, that 767 00:42:50,400 --> 00:42:53,040 S1: you called in Glenn to respond to what Michael had 768 00:42:53,040 --> 00:42:53,480 S1: to say. 769 00:42:54,160 --> 00:42:58,360 S2: I mean, co-sign, that was just such an encouraging word. 770 00:42:58,400 --> 00:43:01,910 S2: I mean, so and he's so right. Like the fact 771 00:43:01,910 --> 00:43:04,750 S2: that her heart is still turned towards the Lord. I mean, 772 00:43:04,790 --> 00:43:07,430 S2: that's what the Lord wants. He wants your heart. And 773 00:43:07,430 --> 00:43:10,029 S2: I just love that. What a beautiful thing to point out. 774 00:43:10,750 --> 00:43:13,510 S1: And I think of Paul, who said, he who began 775 00:43:13,510 --> 00:43:16,750 S1: a good work in you will be faithful to complete it. 776 00:43:16,790 --> 00:43:19,310 S1: I know the context may be a little bit different 777 00:43:19,310 --> 00:43:21,790 S1: there than what we're talking about here, but I think 778 00:43:21,790 --> 00:43:25,270 S1: it applies at least. And then what David wrote in 779 00:43:25,270 --> 00:43:30,310 S1: Psalm 138, the Lord will fulfill his purpose for me. 780 00:43:30,710 --> 00:43:33,830 S1: That is true for summer. It's true for Michael. And 781 00:43:33,830 --> 00:43:35,830 S1: it's true for you, Glenna, right? 782 00:43:36,230 --> 00:43:39,670 S2: Mhm. Yeah. Like, one of the things that I'm so 783 00:43:39,710 --> 00:43:42,350 S2: encouraged by is when I stop and look back at 784 00:43:42,350 --> 00:43:44,670 S2: the last, like, 10 to 15 years of my life, 785 00:43:44,670 --> 00:43:48,790 S2: I can see the Lord forming today. Like the faith 786 00:43:48,790 --> 00:43:51,790 S2: that I have today has been formed and forged through 787 00:43:51,790 --> 00:43:55,310 S2: the fires of the suffering of the previous years. That 788 00:43:55,310 --> 00:43:58,629 S2: encourages me that the next trial I go through, he's 789 00:43:58,630 --> 00:44:01,060 S2: going to gonna keep doing that because he is committed 790 00:44:01,060 --> 00:44:04,780 S2: to my sanctification. One day I'm going to stand before him, 791 00:44:05,260 --> 00:44:10,740 S2: completely glorified and without sin. And, and the, the work 792 00:44:10,739 --> 00:44:13,219 S2: of that he has done in my life through my 793 00:44:13,219 --> 00:44:15,340 S2: suffering now is preparing me for that day. 794 00:44:16,500 --> 00:44:19,660 S1: Talk about what I mentioned about your husband's message at 795 00:44:19,660 --> 00:44:22,219 S1: the end of the book and how he he kind 796 00:44:22,260 --> 00:44:26,339 S1: of laments that he wasn't there for you in some 797 00:44:26,340 --> 00:44:28,259 S1: ways that he wishes he was. 798 00:44:29,100 --> 00:44:32,779 S2: Yeah, I think as a man. And then also he 799 00:44:32,780 --> 00:44:35,980 S2: is my pastor. So that complicates matters a little bit. 800 00:44:36,219 --> 00:44:40,460 S2: But he wanted to, number one, as my husband fix it. 801 00:44:40,460 --> 00:44:42,580 S2: And he couldn't, you know, and I think that's a 802 00:44:42,580 --> 00:44:45,060 S2: helpless feeling. He, he feels like he is responsible for 803 00:44:45,060 --> 00:44:47,660 S2: my happiness in a lot of ways. And he couldn't 804 00:44:47,660 --> 00:44:50,220 S2: fix that. He couldn't take my pain away. And so 805 00:44:50,500 --> 00:44:52,339 S2: one of the things he thought was best for me 806 00:44:52,340 --> 00:44:54,299 S2: was to just not talk about it. Like he thought 807 00:44:54,300 --> 00:44:56,980 S2: if I could distract you from it, then if we're 808 00:44:56,980 --> 00:44:58,719 S2: not talking about it, I I can distract you from 809 00:44:58,719 --> 00:45:01,320 S2: it and then it won't, you know, rule your thoughts. But, 810 00:45:01,719 --> 00:45:03,680 S2: I mean, the problem is I can't get out of 811 00:45:03,680 --> 00:45:06,080 S2: my body, so I can't escape the pain. So there 812 00:45:06,080 --> 00:45:09,080 S2: really is no distraction when it's really bad. And so 813 00:45:09,080 --> 00:45:10,800 S2: the other thing he would say that he did wrong 814 00:45:10,800 --> 00:45:14,320 S2: is he tried to rush me through the sanctification process 815 00:45:14,360 --> 00:45:16,759 S2: like he knew that God works good from suffering. And 816 00:45:16,760 --> 00:45:19,520 S2: he tried to get me there too quickly. And he 817 00:45:19,520 --> 00:45:23,400 S2: would say to spouses, caregivers, friends, if there's someone in 818 00:45:23,400 --> 00:45:27,200 S2: your life who struggles with a chronic pain condition, just 819 00:45:27,200 --> 00:45:32,080 S2: be with them. Acknowledge that it's real and pray for them. 820 00:45:32,360 --> 00:45:33,960 S2: And that's going to do a whole lot more good 821 00:45:33,960 --> 00:45:37,920 S2: than trying to fix something you can't, you can't control. Yeah. 822 00:45:38,360 --> 00:45:40,440 S1: And I want the outcome, you know, I want the 823 00:45:40,440 --> 00:45:43,720 S1: outcome for summer and for you and for anybody listening 824 00:45:43,719 --> 00:45:46,600 S1: right now. I want I want the outcome that I 825 00:45:46,600 --> 00:45:49,560 S1: want and that we think is good. But really the 826 00:45:49,560 --> 00:45:52,719 S1: outcome is up to God. The what's up to us 827 00:45:52,719 --> 00:45:56,440 S1: is the process, and that is lament as you have 828 00:45:56,590 --> 00:46:00,030 S1: so well said. And then written here in this prayer, 829 00:46:00,030 --> 00:46:04,230 S1: that of the sufferers lament that we prayed and read 830 00:46:04,270 --> 00:46:06,830 S1: a little earlier in the program that's included in the 831 00:46:06,830 --> 00:46:10,830 S1: book many, many times as you go through it. And 832 00:46:10,830 --> 00:46:14,350 S1: I can't thank you enough, Glenna, for, uh, painting this 833 00:46:14,350 --> 00:46:20,390 S1: picture of the pain, the struggle, and then the overcoming 834 00:46:20,390 --> 00:46:24,750 S1: power of God through prayer. That doesn't fix everything, but 835 00:46:24,790 --> 00:46:27,670 S1: helps you walk further. Keep taking those steps, friend, and 836 00:46:27,670 --> 00:46:28,950 S1: come back and see us, okay? 837 00:46:29,430 --> 00:46:30,910 S2: I will, thanks, Chris. 838 00:46:31,590 --> 00:46:35,790 S1: Glenna Marshall. Our guest today at Chris Fabry, live.org. That's 839 00:46:35,790 --> 00:46:38,830 S1: where you'll find praying in Pain. How to know you're 840 00:46:38,830 --> 00:46:43,310 S1: heard when you haven't been healed. Chris Fabry live.org. Don't 841 00:46:43,310 --> 00:46:46,190 S1: miss Rona Hutchcraft tomorrow on the program, a production of 842 00:46:46,230 --> 00:46:49,790 S1: Moody Radio, a Ministry of Moody Bible Institute.