WEBVTT - Hour 2: The Unseen World Around Us 0:00:00.080 --> 0:00:02.800 Hi friend, thank you so much for downloading this podcast 0:00:02.800 --> 0:00:06.920 and I truly hope you hear something that edifies encourage, equips, enlightens, 0:00:06.920 --> 0:00:09.520 and then gets you out there in the marketplace of ideas. 0:00:09.520 --> 0:00:11.440 But before you go, I want to tell you about 0:00:11.440 --> 0:00:14.680 this month's truth tool. It's called Have You Ever Wondered? 0:00:14.880 --> 0:00:17.720 And I absolutely love this topic because if you're like me, 0:00:17.720 --> 0:00:19.600 going out into the night sky and looking up and 0:00:19.600 --> 0:00:22.439 seeing a million stars, don't you just stop and think 0:00:22.440 --> 0:00:24.560 about God? And are you not in a moment of 0:00:24.560 --> 0:00:27.960 awe and wonder or looking out over the vast expanse 0:00:27.960 --> 0:00:30.600 of an ocean and you start thinking, what is man, 0:00:30.600 --> 0:00:32.800 that thou art mindful of him? And it makes you 0:00:32.840 --> 0:00:36.240 wonder about the magnificence of God? I think that sense 0:00:36.240 --> 0:00:39.480 of wonder was put there on purpose, and this wonderful 0:00:39.479 --> 0:00:42.720 book includes a composite of multiple authors who have written 0:00:42.720 --> 0:00:45.879 from their perspective as a scientist, or a historian, or 0:00:45.920 --> 0:00:49.160 a mathematician or an artist, on why they all have 0:00:49.159 --> 0:00:51.599 this sense of awe through the work that they do. 0:00:51.640 --> 0:00:54.120 In other words, the heavens declare the glory. And as 0:00:54.120 --> 0:00:56.440 it tells us in Romans, we are really without excuse 0:00:56.440 --> 0:01:00.160 because his handiwork is everywhere. And this book invites you 0:01:00.160 --> 0:01:03.520 to walk through the chapters written by people who all 0:01:03.520 --> 0:01:06.320 have a sense of awe and wonder when it comes 0:01:06.319 --> 0:01:09.080 to God through their various disciplines in life. It's an 0:01:09.080 --> 0:01:11.440 amazing book and it's yours. For a gift of any amount, 0:01:11.440 --> 0:01:16.280 just call 877 Janet 58. That's 877 Janet 58. Ask 0:01:16.280 --> 0:01:19.160 for a copy of Have You Ever Wondered? And we'll 0:01:19.160 --> 0:01:20.400 send it right off to you as my way of 0:01:20.400 --> 0:01:22.920 saying thank you, because we are listener supported radio. Or 0:01:22.920 --> 0:01:24.920 you can go online to in the market with Janet 0:01:24.920 --> 0:01:28.680 Parshall and you're also on the website, consider becoming a 0:01:28.680 --> 0:01:31.399 partial partner. Those are people who give every single month 0:01:31.400 --> 0:01:33.520 at a level of their own choosing. You always get 0:01:33.520 --> 0:01:35.400 the truth tool, but in addition to that, you get 0:01:35.400 --> 0:01:38.199 a weekly newsletter that includes my writing and an audio 0:01:38.200 --> 0:01:42.360 piece just for my partial partners. So 877 Janet 58 0:01:42.400 --> 0:01:46.000 or the website in the market with Janet parshall.org consider 0:01:46.000 --> 0:01:49.280 becoming a partial partner or asking for this month's truth tool. 0:01:49.280 --> 0:01:53.080 Have you ever wondered? And now please enjoy the broadcast. 0:02:02.390 --> 0:02:10.470 You are mighty. You are holy. You are awesome. In 0:02:10.470 --> 0:02:18.510 your power. You have risen, you have conquered. You have 0:02:18.550 --> 0:02:22.150 beaten the power of death. 0:02:22.270 --> 0:02:24.590 That's pretty good news, isn't it? I'm so glad you're 0:02:24.590 --> 0:02:26.350 going to spend the hour with me. Friends. Welcome to 0:02:26.389 --> 0:02:28.470 In the Market with Janet Parshall. I think it was 0:02:28.470 --> 0:02:32.070 important to start out remembering exactly how big and great 0:02:32.070 --> 0:02:35.870 and awesome is our king. Do I need to give 0:02:35.870 --> 0:02:39.910 you any more evidence for the reality of spiritual warfare? 0:02:39.950 --> 0:02:43.030 I mean, we're watching conflicts in the Middle East. If 0:02:43.030 --> 0:02:45.390 that isn't a spiritual war, I don't know what is. 0:02:45.389 --> 0:02:48.070 You got to realize that we got one nation who 0:02:48.070 --> 0:02:51.150 believes in their eschatology, that if they can annihilate the 0:02:51.190 --> 0:02:54.790 Jewish Zionist regime, their words, not mine, that they can 0:02:54.790 --> 0:02:57.510 bring about their Mahdi, which is their Messiah, and they 0:02:57.510 --> 0:03:02.429 can islamicize the whole world. That's their spiritual blindness, by 0:03:02.430 --> 0:03:05.829 the way. You see what goes on where lawlessness is now, 0:03:05.830 --> 0:03:08.550 filling the streets of America, where suddenly the whole idea 0:03:08.550 --> 0:03:09.990 of the rule of law, which, by the way, let 0:03:09.990 --> 0:03:13.630 the record reflect, your Honor, is there because our basic 0:03:13.630 --> 0:03:16.030 nature says if you don't have self-control given to you 0:03:16.030 --> 0:03:17.790 through the indwelling power of the Holy Spirit, you need 0:03:17.790 --> 0:03:20.510 a government to box check you. And that's why God 0:03:20.510 --> 0:03:25.790 creates three important institutions in this order family, government, the church. 0:03:25.790 --> 0:03:27.750 Does it ever bother you that he created government before 0:03:27.750 --> 0:03:29.589 the church? It does me. It reminds me how much 0:03:29.590 --> 0:03:33.430 we need those boundaries. So when lawlessness takes up residency 0:03:33.430 --> 0:03:35.990 in the streets of America, that should bother you. That is, 0:03:35.990 --> 0:03:39.630 at its core, spiritual warfare. When you've got drag queens 0:03:39.630 --> 0:03:42.550 dancing on the floor of the assembly of the State 0:03:42.550 --> 0:03:47.110 of Oregon, that's spiritual warfare. Um, that's also a hallmark 0:03:47.110 --> 0:03:49.550 that a civilization is collapsing. I mean, the list goes 0:03:49.550 --> 0:03:51.110 on and on and on. So much of the stuff 0:03:51.110 --> 0:03:53.830 we watch, it isn't a matter of saying, oh, you know, 0:03:53.870 --> 0:03:55.390 the devil made me do it, but it is a 0:03:55.390 --> 0:03:57.620 matter of recognizing that he is called the prince of 0:03:57.620 --> 0:04:00.380 this world for a reason. And there's a lot of 0:04:00.380 --> 0:04:02.460 stuff we're seeing in the news today that gives evidence 0:04:02.460 --> 0:04:04.620 to the fact that he thinks he's getting away with it. Well, 0:04:04.660 --> 0:04:08.340 check your watch. Oh, yeah. It doesn't end well for him. 0:04:08.340 --> 0:04:10.860 But in the meantime, he's leaving a wake of destruction 0:04:10.860 --> 0:04:12.619 in his path. Which you and I are. The men 0:04:12.620 --> 0:04:14.540 and women of God. We are to suit up, get 0:04:14.540 --> 0:04:17.140 up and get out into this world that's upside down. 0:04:17.380 --> 0:04:19.420 And you don't have any kind of a victory unless, 0:04:19.420 --> 0:04:22.339 number one, you know who your commander. Commander in chief is. 0:04:22.339 --> 0:04:26.180 Number two, you understand he is the conqueror. Okay? And 0:04:26.180 --> 0:04:27.900 greater is he that is in us than he that 0:04:27.900 --> 0:04:30.940 is in the world. And number three. Hello. You believe 0:04:30.940 --> 0:04:33.660 in the reality of spiritual warfare? If you don't. Well, 0:04:33.660 --> 0:04:35.660 I'll tell you what. I think you're just trying to 0:04:35.660 --> 0:04:37.140 feel your way in the dark. And that's why we 0:04:37.140 --> 0:04:40.299 have conversations on a regular basis with Doctor Carl Payne. 0:04:40.339 --> 0:04:42.860 I never in a million years thought we'd be talking 0:04:42.860 --> 0:04:45.580 about this all the time. But, gosh, if you take 0:04:45.620 --> 0:04:48.740 George Barna's research, he does it at the Cultural Research 0:04:48.740 --> 0:04:52.380 Center at Arizona Christian University. It's not the world that's 0:04:52.380 --> 0:04:54.700 got a problem. It's us. It's the church. What do 0:04:54.740 --> 0:04:57.300 you mean? The Bible isn't the word of God. It 0:04:57.300 --> 0:04:59.020 just contains the Word of God. Let me tell you, 0:04:59.220 --> 0:05:01.260 there's a space about as big as the Grand Canyon. 0:05:01.260 --> 0:05:07.060 Between those two ideas, God breathed, ordained, inspired, an errant, transcendent, immutable. 0:05:07.060 --> 0:05:09.700 And if you don't believe it isn't. It isn't the 0:05:09.700 --> 0:05:11.500 Word of God, not just contains the Word of God. 0:05:11.500 --> 0:05:13.060 You got a problem right out of the gate. But 0:05:13.060 --> 0:05:15.620 when you subscribe to that idea that it just contains 0:05:15.620 --> 0:05:19.779 not is, well, then you start believing things like Satan 0:05:19.779 --> 0:05:22.900 is not real. It's not a real entity. Jesus sinned. 0:05:23.140 --> 0:05:25.300 Jesus isn't the only way of salvation. And all of 0:05:25.300 --> 0:05:27.580 a sudden you've got the devolution of the core center 0:05:27.580 --> 0:05:29.900 of your belief because you haven't looked at the Word 0:05:29.900 --> 0:05:31.660 of God and claimed it to be what it is. 0:05:31.700 --> 0:05:35.820 God breathed, inspired, inerrant, transcended, immutable. And one of those 0:05:35.820 --> 0:05:39.659 issues in the 21st century is the idea of spiritual warfare. 0:05:39.660 --> 0:05:41.860 So Doctor Carl Payne comes on a regular basis and 0:05:41.860 --> 0:05:45.220 teaches us about this. He's a pastor, a teacher, a speaker, 0:05:45.220 --> 0:05:48.020 an author, former chaplain for the Seattle Seahawks. And I 0:05:48.020 --> 0:05:49.979 do not hold that against him by any stretch of 0:05:49.980 --> 0:05:55.490 the imagination. He's on staff at Antioch Bible Church in Redmond, Washington. 0:05:55.529 --> 0:05:57.890 His primary role there is serving as the pastor of 0:05:57.890 --> 0:06:00.890 Leadership Development and Discipleship Training. And I'm going to say 0:06:00.890 --> 0:06:02.410 it again because I mean it. I don't get paid 0:06:02.410 --> 0:06:04.370 to say this. I'm saying it because I believe it. 0:06:04.410 --> 0:06:07.130 One of the best books out there is called Spiritual 0:06:07.130 --> 0:06:11.930 Warfare Christians Demonization and Deliverance. It's been updated, it's been reprinted. 0:06:11.930 --> 0:06:13.650 And I know so many of you have gotten that book, 0:06:13.690 --> 0:06:15.210 and I'm so glad because you love it when he 0:06:15.210 --> 0:06:17.130 comes to visit. Here's what else you know when he 0:06:17.130 --> 0:06:19.170 comes to visit, we open the phone lines and we're 0:06:19.170 --> 0:06:22.770 going to take your questions. Questions only on the topic 0:06:22.770 --> 0:06:33.330 of spiritual warfare. 187754836758775483675. The topic on the table is 0:06:33.330 --> 0:06:36.050 spiritual warfare. Any question you've got. And we're going to 0:06:36.050 --> 0:06:38.490 take questions the entire hour. But Carl pull up a chair. 0:06:38.490 --> 0:06:41.570 Make yourself comfortable. I so look forward to these conversations. 0:06:41.570 --> 0:06:43.450 And I was thinking of all the things I wanted 0:06:43.450 --> 0:06:44.930 to ask you. And I usually try to pull a 0:06:44.930 --> 0:06:48.170 story because the headlines are replete with at least a 0:06:48.170 --> 0:06:51.370 hat tap on the hat, or some kind of a 0:06:51.370 --> 0:06:54.409 recognition that the occult is ascending. In fact, I just 0:06:54.410 --> 0:06:57.810 wrote a radio commentary called No Hocus Pocus because the 0:06:57.810 --> 0:07:02.250 numbers of Christians who are using tarot cards is growing. What? What? 0:07:02.370 --> 0:07:04.170 I mean, what part of don't have anything to do 0:07:04.170 --> 0:07:07.810 with it don't you get? But Christians are using horoscopes 0:07:07.810 --> 0:07:11.450 and they're playing tarot cards. I don't get it. But also, 0:07:11.490 --> 0:07:14.130 I have a problem inside the church as well. Because 0:07:14.130 --> 0:07:16.570 if you don't believe in the reality of spiritual warfare 0:07:16.610 --> 0:07:19.410 that has a dominoes effect on a series of other 0:07:19.450 --> 0:07:21.930 key doctrinal positions, it seems to me as well. So 0:07:21.930 --> 0:07:25.090 for you, if you talk about spiritual warfare and you 0:07:25.090 --> 0:07:27.370 have been present, and I know you didn't sign up 0:07:27.370 --> 0:07:29.850 for this, God called you to it. When demons have 0:07:29.850 --> 0:07:32.610 been cast out of individuals, it wasn't Hollywood. It wasn't 0:07:32.650 --> 0:07:35.890 hocus pocus. It was the real deal. And you've seen it. 0:07:35.930 --> 0:07:38.290 Do you think in your life and your walk with Christ, 0:07:38.290 --> 0:07:43.570 if you've seen the manifestation, the manifestation of demonic powers? Likewise, 0:07:43.570 --> 0:07:45.770 could you ever give a testimony to saying I knew 0:07:45.770 --> 0:07:48.010 beyond a shadow of a doubt that was angelic? 0:07:50.610 --> 0:07:53.090 Oh my goodness. Well, first, before I take your question, 0:07:53.090 --> 0:07:55.650 I have to say what? Good afternoon, young lady. 0:07:55.690 --> 0:07:56.610 I thank you, sir. 0:07:56.650 --> 0:07:58.810 And you are. And you are right. We love each 0:07:58.810 --> 0:08:00.450 other in spite of the fact that we root for 0:08:00.450 --> 0:08:04.370 different teams. But when my team is playing your team, 0:08:04.530 --> 0:08:06.450 I have to go mine. But if your team is 0:08:06.450 --> 0:08:08.690 playing someone else, I'll root for them because of you. 0:08:08.690 --> 0:08:10.770 So we'll just have to have to make sure that 0:08:10.770 --> 0:08:11.530 people know that. 0:08:11.810 --> 0:08:13.370 And the feeling's mutual. By the way. 0:08:13.730 --> 0:08:16.130 Our bond is greater than our two teams. 0:08:16.170 --> 0:08:17.090 That's exactly right. 0:08:17.090 --> 0:08:20.050 I think I had to several thoughts going through my mind, 0:08:20.090 --> 0:08:21.650 you know, when you open that. But I'll try and 0:08:21.650 --> 0:08:23.450 catch your first one first so I don't miss it, 0:08:23.450 --> 0:08:26.130 but then come back at the other, please. Um, first, 0:08:26.130 --> 0:08:28.930 if you had said to me what I imagine when 0:08:28.930 --> 0:08:31.650 I first, uh, you know, became aware of this, well, 0:08:31.690 --> 0:08:34.570 first I was so unaware of it, I didn't know 0:08:34.570 --> 0:08:36.970 what to think about it. You know, most of the 0:08:36.970 --> 0:08:39.330 time it was just something that if you talked about 0:08:39.330 --> 0:08:43.650 mediums and, you know, spiritism and such, it would just 0:08:43.650 --> 0:08:46.490 be like, I don't have time for that Ouija boards. 0:08:46.490 --> 0:08:50.280 It's like, who has time for goofy stuff? It was 0:08:50.280 --> 0:08:53.840 something that wasn't on the radar. I think a because 0:08:53.840 --> 0:08:57.960 there was still a lot of, uh, even non-Christians just saying, 0:08:57.960 --> 0:09:00.240 I don't I don't have time for that stuff. And 0:09:00.240 --> 0:09:04.600 Christians certainly would have said, uh, uh, so I guess 0:09:04.600 --> 0:09:07.079 the difference would not be did it happen? And were 0:09:07.080 --> 0:09:09.679 there angelic things going on? But one would I have 0:09:09.679 --> 0:09:13.920 recognized it? And b the difference between where instead of 0:09:13.960 --> 0:09:18.120 being snuck in, but they're now just blatantly putting our 0:09:18.120 --> 0:09:22.280 faces and almost daring you to say something. What a 0:09:22.280 --> 0:09:24.200 difference in the decades. 0:09:24.400 --> 0:09:26.600 Yeah. Yeah. Boy, isn't that true? You hear the music. 0:09:26.600 --> 0:09:28.120 I know you want to see more. Let me ask 0:09:28.120 --> 0:09:29.440 you to pick it up on the other side. In 0:09:29.440 --> 0:09:38.160 the meantime, I want to give you our phone number again. 87754836758775483675. 0:09:38.160 --> 0:09:42.520 Questions only. On the topic of spiritual warfare. It is 0:09:42.520 --> 0:09:45.360 a reality. Let's separate fact from fiction. Don't let the 0:09:45.360 --> 0:09:48.240 world teach you theology. Thank you, Doctor Michael Easley. You 0:09:48.240 --> 0:09:58.880 want a word to teach you back after this? 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I love 0:10:36.760 --> 0:10:40.640 this song and on the whole 877 I'll Spare You 0:10:40.679 --> 0:10:45.920 (877) 548-3675 and Carl, I've already got people lined up, but 0:10:45.920 --> 0:10:47.750 I still want to get your thoughts because I was 0:10:47.750 --> 0:10:50.430 asking you in the work that God has called you to, 0:10:50.470 --> 0:10:52.350 and I know you didn't sign up. You were drafted 0:10:52.350 --> 0:10:55.390 into his army in this particular area about whether or 0:10:55.390 --> 0:10:58.870 not if you had seen the demonic action and you 0:10:58.870 --> 0:11:01.350 have you been there when they've been cast out of people? 0:11:01.390 --> 0:11:03.390 Have you ever had an experience where you could point 0:11:03.390 --> 0:11:06.470 to and say, I know definitively that was an angelic presence? 0:11:06.470 --> 0:11:08.670 I mean, Hebrew says, hey, be careful. You could be 0:11:08.670 --> 0:11:12.390 entertaining an angel, but you don't know it. Right. So 0:11:12.910 --> 0:11:14.630 you had other things to say about the opening, so 0:11:14.630 --> 0:11:16.429 please go before. I'd love to hear more of your 0:11:16.429 --> 0:11:17.790 thoughts before we go to the phones. 0:11:18.630 --> 0:11:22.550 Okay. And thank you for bringing me back, because maybe 0:11:22.550 --> 0:11:26.550 I just missed I. Janet, I don't have any question 0:11:26.550 --> 0:11:29.990 that I've been dealing with supernatural we call angelic or 0:11:29.990 --> 0:11:34.990 I call it supernatural. Have I over the years? No. 0:11:34.990 --> 0:11:38.030 No question. I mean, it could be as simple as 0:11:38.470 --> 0:11:41.750 as I'll give you a couple of examples, but maybe 0:11:41.750 --> 0:11:46.030 someone would say they're extreme because of, uh, because I 0:11:46.110 --> 0:11:49.310 remember them. But besides the fact and I guess the 0:11:49.309 --> 0:11:51.550 biggest would just be when we command them to go 0:11:51.550 --> 0:11:55.630 and the person's life does a 180 and absolute change. Carl, 0:11:55.670 --> 0:11:57.949 I've got my mind back. I can think again. The 0:11:57.950 --> 0:12:01.590 thing that was laying on me is gone. A year later, 0:12:01.590 --> 0:12:05.550 two years later, three years later, Carl still checking in things. 0:12:05.590 --> 0:12:10.110 It's changed. I mean, that I suppose ultimately, just pragmatically. But. 0:12:10.110 --> 0:12:15.270 But something, you know, maybe you're you're wondering or for listeners, 0:12:15.470 --> 0:12:17.270 it would be like when I have someone that came 0:12:17.270 --> 0:12:19.350 in here and I don't do this very often because 0:12:19.350 --> 0:12:22.150 I don't give demons anything to think they're in control 0:12:22.150 --> 0:12:25.870 of something. It it emboldens them. But I have an 0:12:25.870 --> 0:12:28.790 individual come in, and this was way early. It was 83. 0:12:29.670 --> 0:12:32.390 So I you know, I'm still learning, but I was 0:12:32.390 --> 0:12:35.590 really learning then. And he said, well, I believe this 0:12:35.590 --> 0:12:38.190 is going on, but how do I know this is real? 0:12:38.550 --> 0:12:40.709 And I did something that I don't do very often. 0:12:40.710 --> 0:12:42.350 I said, in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ, 0:12:42.350 --> 0:12:45.100 I was sitting in my office. Uh, Yeah. Demons that 0:12:45.100 --> 0:12:47.660 are involved with in his name. You're permitted to show 0:12:47.660 --> 0:12:49.540 him your real, but you're not permitted to hurt him 0:12:49.540 --> 0:12:51.579 in the process. The name of the Lord Jesus Christ, 0:12:51.580 --> 0:12:53.860 do it now. We command that through the Lord Jesus Christ. 0:12:54.140 --> 0:12:58.420 Boxes in my room started moving around. I mean, I 0:12:58.460 --> 0:13:01.060 watched them with my own eyes and he looks over 0:13:01.059 --> 0:13:02.980 at me and he says, you don't have any strings 0:13:02.980 --> 0:13:05.819 on your fingers, do you? And I said, no, I don't. 0:13:06.020 --> 0:13:08.140 He said, okay, this is real. I said, in the 0:13:08.140 --> 0:13:10.740 name of the Lord Jesus Christ, you're not permitted to 0:13:10.780 --> 0:13:13.020 play any games. Now we're going. But now I have 0:13:13.020 --> 0:13:15.220 a guy looking at this going. Now people say, why 0:13:15.220 --> 0:13:17.620 don't you do that every time? It's kind of cool. 0:13:17.620 --> 0:13:19.900 And I go, no, because what I was doing in 0:13:19.900 --> 0:13:23.819 my infancy with this is giving demons the idea that 0:13:23.820 --> 0:13:26.699 I actually care about what they can or can't do, 0:13:26.860 --> 0:13:31.140 and them hoping, you know, that, that they can take over. Well, now, 0:13:31.140 --> 0:13:33.100 I won't do that. I'll just say, friend, if you're 0:13:33.100 --> 0:13:35.340 not ready to roll with this, we're not going. If 0:13:35.380 --> 0:13:38.420 you are, demons are losers. We're not accommodating them in 0:13:38.420 --> 0:13:40.740 any way. So you know that that would be one 0:13:40.740 --> 0:13:43.340 thing that that struck my mind. I'll give you another. 0:13:43.380 --> 0:13:45.540 And again this sounds. I see, I don't like it. 0:13:45.580 --> 0:13:47.140 People have asked me, why don't you write a book 0:13:47.140 --> 0:13:49.140 on some of the odd stuff? And I go, because 0:13:49.140 --> 0:13:52.220 I don't want to glorify the wrong side. I tried 0:13:52.220 --> 0:13:54.060 to write a book that says, here's how you deal 0:13:54.059 --> 0:13:57.459 with it. Uh, we win. They lose. You know, just 0:13:57.700 --> 0:14:00.179 don't promote it as a circus. But I had a 0:14:00.580 --> 0:14:06.300 young lady who was, uh, a Hawaiian and, uh, just 0:14:06.300 --> 0:14:08.580 the island was, you know, they still are just filled 0:14:08.580 --> 0:14:11.459 with this kind of stuff. And we came in and 0:14:11.460 --> 0:14:13.780 she came in the office, we dealt with it. And 0:14:13.780 --> 0:14:16.179 I said at one point after we were done, and 0:14:16.179 --> 0:14:18.740 she did wonderfully, and she and her husband have helped 0:14:18.740 --> 0:14:22.180 so many people with this. Uh, I mean, they have 0:14:22.180 --> 0:14:26.300 been warriors. But at one point, after we're all done, 0:14:26.780 --> 0:14:30.420 I said at one point, your face totally changed as 0:14:30.420 --> 0:14:33.580 I was commanding, and I told her what the person 0:14:33.580 --> 0:14:37.180 looked like, and she just got big and wide open, 0:14:37.180 --> 0:14:40.140 and I, I mean, and see, we were dealing with 0:14:40.140 --> 0:14:44.490 a bunch of ancestral issues Just. And she said, that's grandma. 0:14:44.770 --> 0:14:47.530 I don't remember what she was. And she goes, I mean, 0:14:47.530 --> 0:14:50.530 I described what. And I am telling you, as I 0:14:50.570 --> 0:14:53.410 sat there, the woman that I was talking to was 0:14:53.410 --> 0:14:58.690 a believer. I saw this old lady's face and body. 0:14:58.730 --> 0:15:00.930 I mean, I told her about how tall I didn't. 0:15:00.930 --> 0:15:03.770 I'm not used to that kind of stuff. But this 0:15:03.770 --> 0:15:07.090 thing manifested itself right in my room. And when I 0:15:07.130 --> 0:15:09.650 said to her this was odd, and she just goes, 0:15:09.690 --> 0:15:13.130 that's my grandmother. Well, guess where the ancestral stuff was 0:15:13.130 --> 0:15:17.530 coming through, grandmother. And if someone said, I couldn't make 0:15:17.530 --> 0:15:19.890 that up, and I'm not creative enough to figure out 0:15:19.890 --> 0:15:21.890 how to do that. I mean, I've had, you know, 0:15:21.930 --> 0:15:27.370 different things, you know, happen. Um, you know, responses coming 0:15:27.370 --> 0:15:30.250 from people where they would go, uh, you shouldn't know that. 0:15:30.250 --> 0:15:31.890 I didn't tell you that. How did you know that? 0:15:31.930 --> 0:15:34.050 And I go, I'm not psychic. Well, this is what 0:15:34.050 --> 0:15:37.290 it just said. And that's absolutely true. And and you 0:15:37.330 --> 0:15:39.570 commanded it to say. And it's like I didn't make 0:15:39.570 --> 0:15:41.730 that up. I didn't even think that up. And I go, 0:15:41.810 --> 0:15:45.050 I know, I know, that's why sometimes I'll tell them. 0:15:45.090 --> 0:15:47.210 Tell them the lies they've told you regularly. Because I 0:15:47.210 --> 0:15:50.570 want you as the person demonized, to understand because you're 0:15:50.570 --> 0:15:52.890 hearing lies in your head doesn't make any of it true. 0:15:53.610 --> 0:15:56.130 It just means that they're hoping you'll bite on it 0:15:56.130 --> 0:16:00.130 and then they can detract your life. And I was today, 0:16:00.930 --> 0:16:03.930 I got a call. Very nice person, you know, 46 0:16:03.930 --> 0:16:06.810 years old, but said I'm moving to and it was 0:16:06.810 --> 0:16:10.250 another state tomorrow. And I said, why? And they said, well, 0:16:10.370 --> 0:16:12.930 someone came over and told me that they, uh, God 0:16:12.970 --> 0:16:14.970 had told them I was supposed to move. So I 0:16:15.010 --> 0:16:17.730 quit my job and I'm moving. And I said, how 0:16:17.730 --> 0:16:21.290 do you know what was said was from God? And 0:16:21.290 --> 0:16:24.210 he got kind of quiet and, well, it was supernatural. 0:16:24.210 --> 0:16:27.330 And I go, that's supernatural. Remember, there's two sides that 0:16:27.330 --> 0:16:30.810 can work in that arena. And I said, maybe, maybe 0:16:30.850 --> 0:16:33.050 God spoke to you through a friend in your church. 0:16:33.050 --> 0:16:35.410 I'm not saying he can't do that, but I said 0:16:35.410 --> 0:16:37.090 I would want to know a little bit before I 0:16:37.130 --> 0:16:41.370 quit my job and move. And he said, well, I 0:16:41.370 --> 0:16:43.730 just thought it had to be true because it was supernatural. 0:16:43.730 --> 0:16:48.450 I say, we forget. We forget that there there are 0:16:48.450 --> 0:16:51.290 two sides and they can both play games. I mean, 0:16:51.490 --> 0:16:54.810 when Paul talks about the in in first Timothy four 0:16:54.810 --> 0:16:58.530 one about, you'll understand we're getting nearer when you see 0:16:58.770 --> 0:17:03.530 that the demonic deception is increasing and increasing, it would 0:17:03.530 --> 0:17:06.010 certainly mean it has to be real enough and often 0:17:06.010 --> 0:17:08.570 enough that even the Saints are looking going, what in 0:17:08.570 --> 0:17:10.090 the world is going on here? 0:17:10.130 --> 0:17:12.810 Oh, that's such a great point, Carl. Wow, such a 0:17:12.810 --> 0:17:14.810 great point. And I don't know where we are in 0:17:14.810 --> 0:17:18.410 the eschatological timelines, but I'd say we're in the latter days. 0:17:18.410 --> 0:17:21.610 Big picture. One day closer today than we were yesterday. 0:17:21.650 --> 0:17:24.369 Should he tarry one day closer tomorrow? So in other words, 0:17:24.369 --> 0:17:25.929 what you just said is one of the reasons why 0:17:25.930 --> 0:17:28.290 you and I keep having these conversations. So when we 0:17:28.330 --> 0:17:29.889 come back, I'm going right to the phones and you're 0:17:29.890 --> 0:17:32.010 going to take it from here. Your questions for Doctor 0:17:32.010 --> 0:17:42.399 Carl Payne. Our topic spiritual warfare 758775483675. Then call in 0:17:42.400 --> 0:17:44.800 early because lots of people have questions on this most 0:17:44.800 --> 0:17:46.439 important topic back after this. 0:17:47.520 --> 0:17:51.280 Put it on, put it on, put it on, put 0:17:51.280 --> 0:17:53.439 on the whole armor. 0:18:03.800 --> 0:18:07.600 We're visiting with Doctor Karl Payne, author of Spiritual Warfare 0:18:07.600 --> 0:18:11.680 Christians Demonization and Deliverance. He's on staff at Antioch Bible 0:18:11.680 --> 0:18:14.480 Church in Redmond, Washington. And that's what you're doing. You're 0:18:14.480 --> 0:18:20.280 asking questions about spiritual warfare. (877) 548-3675. Becky, I'm going to 0:18:20.280 --> 0:18:22.200 start with you and Georgia. Thanks so much for being 0:18:22.200 --> 0:18:24.800 a part of this conversation. And your question for Carl, please. 0:18:25.720 --> 0:18:28.960 Oh thank you. My question is can a person deliver 0:18:28.960 --> 0:18:32.800 themselves from demonic oppression? I mean, I'm a believer. I 0:18:32.800 --> 0:18:36.960 don't believe I'm possessed, but I feel so oppressed by 0:18:36.960 --> 0:18:39.480 My demons or does it take someone else? 0:18:41.160 --> 0:18:46.320 Oh great question. And and I would answer this in 0:18:46.320 --> 0:18:49.560 either A or B. All right. Either either. Either way 0:18:49.560 --> 0:18:53.000 that I think that most often Christians are dealing with 0:18:53.000 --> 0:18:58.680 demonic opposition. And number one, if it's, uh, you know, 0:18:58.680 --> 0:19:00.920 kind of on the light end of the control, what 0:19:00.920 --> 0:19:04.920 I call oppression. I've said many times with Janet, it's 0:19:04.920 --> 0:19:09.959 it's irritating. It's not debilitating. It's the arrows that Paul 0:19:09.960 --> 0:19:15.360 speaks of in Ephesians 616. It's the accusation that Paul 0:19:15.400 --> 0:19:17.439 talks of, or excuse me, that John talks about in 0:19:17.440 --> 0:19:21.280 revelation 12 1011. We feel like we get bombarded with, 0:19:21.320 --> 0:19:24.000 you know, you're ugly, you're stupid, no one likes you. 0:19:24.400 --> 0:19:28.240 Your prayers bounce off the ceiling, why do you pray, etc. 0:19:28.520 --> 0:19:31.879 that offensive prayer that we've talked about so many times, 0:19:31.880 --> 0:19:34.760 I don't need someone else to pray offensively over me. 0:19:34.760 --> 0:19:37.149 The same God that lives in that person lives in me. 0:19:37.150 --> 0:19:40.189 If we're Christians, I can pray offensively. And it's very 0:19:40.190 --> 0:19:43.390 effective at saying, you know what? You're not welcome here. 0:19:43.430 --> 0:19:48.389 Get lost if it's you know what I still say demonization. 0:19:48.390 --> 0:19:50.590 I don't like the word possession. I don't use it 0:19:50.590 --> 0:19:53.510 because it's so there's so much baggage. People thinking it's 0:19:53.510 --> 0:19:58.070 talking about demons owning people. And I have said demons 0:19:58.070 --> 0:20:02.990 don't own Christians. They don't even own non-Christians. Demons are squatters. 0:20:02.990 --> 0:20:05.470 They're part of the creation. And they very much want 0:20:05.510 --> 0:20:10.070 to control us. You know, remember the Isaiah 14, the 0:20:10.070 --> 0:20:12.630 I wills, I mean the arrogance and the desire to 0:20:12.670 --> 0:20:16.590 control and power and all got Lucifer in trouble, too. 0:20:17.030 --> 0:20:21.110 But when we're talking about someone that has gotten themselves wrapped, 0:20:21.109 --> 0:20:27.070 involved with demonization demons, I'm saying it's more severe, uh, 0:20:27.109 --> 0:20:30.630 than than the irritating, uh, arrows. It's it can be 0:20:30.630 --> 0:20:34.470 really debilitating. But I wrote that whole chapter eight in 0:20:34.470 --> 0:20:38.630 my book saying, you know what? Here is a process 0:20:38.630 --> 0:20:41.429 I've never said. It is the only process. It's just 0:20:41.670 --> 0:20:45.070 I've said it's battle tested. It works and it's biblically based. 0:20:45.430 --> 0:20:48.670 But where? I have had missionaries call me from overseas 0:20:48.990 --> 0:20:51.709 saying it wasn't cost effective to fly in to see you, 0:20:51.710 --> 0:20:54.190 but I took that chapter eight. I just walked through 0:20:54.230 --> 0:20:57.070 it and I am free. And thank you for writing 0:20:57.070 --> 0:20:59.870 that book. And I said, well, you'll become more proficient 0:20:59.869 --> 0:21:02.230 with it helping others. It's like, oh, I know. Well, 0:21:02.230 --> 0:21:04.870 how could that be? Don't you have to have a 0:21:04.910 --> 0:21:07.990 a gifted, you know, person in deliverance? Well, first, there 0:21:07.990 --> 0:21:12.070 is no spiritual gift of deliverance. We deal with demons 0:21:12.070 --> 0:21:15.990 through delegated authority that Luke 1018 to 20 says is 0:21:15.990 --> 0:21:18.669 given to everyone whose name is written in heaven. It's 0:21:18.670 --> 0:21:20.630 in the book of life. If your name isn't written 0:21:20.630 --> 0:21:23.750 in heaven, you're not a believer. If you are a believer, 0:21:23.750 --> 0:21:26.270 your name is written in heaven, which means, he says, 0:21:26.270 --> 0:21:28.709 I've given you authority to tread upon me and step 0:21:28.710 --> 0:21:31.429 on serpents, scorpions over all the power of the enemy. 0:21:31.430 --> 0:21:34.660 They shall not harm you. However, or nevertheless do not 0:21:34.700 --> 0:21:38.460 rejoice because spirits are subject to you. Rejoice because your 0:21:38.460 --> 0:21:42.740 names are recorded in heaven. So I'm saying, sister, you 0:21:42.740 --> 0:21:46.380 have the same delegated authority I do. And again, I 0:21:46.380 --> 0:21:49.020 would encourage you, you know the three little seeds that I, 0:21:49.060 --> 0:21:52.740 you know, confess, cancel command. But if it's gone beyond 0:21:53.340 --> 0:21:55.860 what the offensive prayer will take care of, it's no 0:21:55.859 --> 0:21:59.500 problem to go to be flip the switch. Okay. If 0:21:59.500 --> 0:22:02.140 they have a right to be there, that topos according 0:22:02.140 --> 0:22:04.940 to Ephesians 427. And if you're not familiar, you can 0:22:04.940 --> 0:22:07.300 catch it. You know, it's I'm not the only one 0:22:07.300 --> 0:22:09.220 that writes about it, but I've written about it. If 0:22:09.220 --> 0:22:12.220 they've been given a place, space, or territory to control, 0:22:12.220 --> 0:22:14.020 then you say, Lord God, it's time for that to 0:22:14.020 --> 0:22:16.740 be taken away. Would you forgive the sin that opened 0:22:16.780 --> 0:22:20.220 the door? There's your confession. Would you cancel any ground 0:22:20.220 --> 0:22:23.580 that they hold against me through that? Since you've cleansed me, 0:22:23.619 --> 0:22:27.100 closed the door. And then third C command them. Get lost. 0:22:27.180 --> 0:22:31.780 And I've had people say yes. Uh. And I'm saying 0:22:31.820 --> 0:22:34.060 yes as long as you're in Christ. If you're not 0:22:34.060 --> 0:22:36.939 a Christian, don't mess with them. Acts 19 says you 0:22:36.940 --> 0:22:39.420 can get beat up, but I don't mean that funny. 0:22:39.460 --> 0:22:41.859 I mean, you know, Jesus. We know Paul. We recognize. 0:22:41.859 --> 0:22:42.380 Who do you think? 0:22:42.660 --> 0:22:44.100 But who are you exactly? 0:22:44.140 --> 0:22:47.740 Yeah, yeah, yeah, but if you're in Christ, sister. Yes. No, 0:22:47.740 --> 0:22:50.500 you don't have to have someone that says I'm uniquely 0:22:50.500 --> 0:22:53.660 gifted for this. I would say to them, with all respect, 0:22:54.260 --> 0:22:57.939 dealing with demons is about delegated authority given to all Christians. 0:22:57.940 --> 0:23:00.900 It's not a gift given to some. And you will 0:23:00.900 --> 0:23:05.340 no where in the New Testament find deliverance refer to 0:23:05.380 --> 0:23:08.340 as a spiritual gift. We have people that will say that. 0:23:08.340 --> 0:23:11.180 I guess it makes them feel you know better about 0:23:11.180 --> 0:23:13.540 what they're doing or something, or thinking it gives them 0:23:13.540 --> 0:23:16.979 another star on their, on their, on their vest or something. 0:23:16.980 --> 0:23:21.300 And I'm just going it's misleading. It's not necessary. If 0:23:21.340 --> 0:23:24.860 you're in Christ, you're on the side that wins. If 0:23:24.859 --> 0:23:27.660 they're part of the creation, they're on the side that loses. 0:23:27.980 --> 0:23:33.260 Creator beats creation. So the one belonging to Christ should 0:23:33.260 --> 0:23:35.620 have greater authority than the one who belongs to part 0:23:35.619 --> 0:23:38.619 of his creation. When I understand it, their attitude is 0:23:38.619 --> 0:23:41.820 usually get it over with. If I don't understand that, 0:23:41.859 --> 0:23:44.540 they will either one go silent hoping you'll ignore them 0:23:44.540 --> 0:23:47.780 or be manifest and try and intimidate. It usually goes 0:23:47.780 --> 0:23:50.140 one way or the other, and for them they're smart 0:23:50.140 --> 0:23:52.180 enough to go. Which way do I think I can, 0:23:52.220 --> 0:23:54.659 you know, keep my work going well, with this one. 0:23:54.660 --> 0:23:56.500 I'll just be quiet. You know, they don't want to 0:23:56.500 --> 0:23:58.540 see it anyway. What? This one. I'm just going to 0:23:58.540 --> 0:24:01.219 scare them. And either way they go, I get to 0:24:01.220 --> 0:24:03.340 keep doing my work, I go, no, I approach them 0:24:03.340 --> 0:24:05.660 in the name and delegate authority of the Lord Jesus. 0:24:05.660 --> 0:24:07.380 I win because Christ won. 0:24:08.180 --> 0:24:11.139 Amen. Becky. May that be a great cup of encouragement 0:24:11.140 --> 0:24:13.659 to you, Carl. Ten second response do you need a 0:24:13.660 --> 0:24:15.340 crucifix to cast a demon out? 0:24:16.140 --> 0:24:16.620 No. 0:24:17.100 --> 0:24:17.980 Do you need holy water? 0:24:18.460 --> 0:24:20.379 You don't. You don't need holy water. 0:24:20.540 --> 0:24:21.740 Do you have to speak in Latin? 0:24:22.859 --> 0:24:25.660 No. You just have to have that delegated authority which 0:24:25.660 --> 0:24:28.740 has given you, regardless of what language or what translation 0:24:28.740 --> 0:24:31.730 of the Bible you read or what spiritual gift you have. 0:24:32.050 --> 0:24:34.850 Amen and amen. If you don't hear anything else this hour, 0:24:34.890 --> 0:24:37.970 can you remember that? This goes back to that verse 0:24:37.970 --> 0:24:41.410 that says, greater is he that is in you than 0:24:41.450 --> 0:24:43.410 he that is in the world. When we come back, 0:24:43.410 --> 0:24:47.810 more of your questions at (877) 548-3675. This is in the 0:24:47.810 --> 0:24:50.490 market with Janet Parshall. Doctor Carl Payne is our guest. 0:24:50.530 --> 0:24:52.690 We love it when he comes. And we are tackling 0:24:52.690 --> 0:25:03.690 the topic of spiritual warfare back after this. When we 0:25:03.690 --> 0:25:05.570 tackle tough issues on in the market, do you find 0:25:05.570 --> 0:25:07.850 yourself nodding in agreement? Then why not take the next 0:25:07.850 --> 0:25:10.490 step today and become a partial partner? 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He is a pastor, 0:25:37.890 --> 0:25:41.010 a teacher, a speaker and author, and former NFL chaplain 0:25:41.010 --> 0:25:44.610 currently on staff at Antioch Bible Church in Redmond, Washington. 0:25:44.810 --> 0:25:47.330 His primary role in that capacity is serving as the 0:25:47.330 --> 0:25:51.170 pastor of Leadership Development and Discipleship Training. And to that end, 0:25:51.210 --> 0:25:53.570 he's got a fabulous book on this topic called Spiritual 0:25:53.570 --> 0:25:57.929 Warfare Christians Demonization and Deliverance. It's linked right there in 0:25:57.930 --> 0:26:00.209 my information page, clicking on and follow through so you 0:26:00.210 --> 0:26:03.730 can determine how you can get your own copy as well. Marcia, 0:26:03.730 --> 0:26:05.970 I welcome you from Florida. Thanks for stopping by. Your 0:26:05.970 --> 0:26:06.890 question please. 0:26:07.450 --> 0:26:12.370 Good evening. Uh, how do you differentiate between spiritual warfare? 0:26:12.369 --> 0:26:16.410 And I'm just having a rough time as well. How 0:26:16.410 --> 0:26:20.770 do you engage non-believers in conversations about spiritual warfare without 0:26:20.770 --> 0:26:22.730 seeming as though you're hocus pocus? 0:26:24.890 --> 0:26:29.399 Both. Both. Good questions. Um, I'll take the the second 0:26:29.400 --> 0:26:33.800 one first. Marsha. Uh, I would say I not only 0:26:33.800 --> 0:26:36.919 don't chase non-Christians down with this, I don't try to 0:26:36.920 --> 0:26:40.880 chase Christians down with this. And it doesn't mean I'm 0:26:40.920 --> 0:26:44.159 bashful about it, but it just means unless it's something 0:26:44.160 --> 0:26:48.320 that I go fishing. You know, if someone tells me, 0:26:48.359 --> 0:26:51.880 Christian or non-Christian, I am really struggling with. And I 0:26:51.920 --> 0:26:56.360 have seen counselor, you know, X, Y, Z and doctor 0:26:56.359 --> 0:26:59.520 so-and-so and read and I mean, nothing touches this. I 0:26:59.560 --> 0:27:03.400 would have no problem saying, have you ever considered maybe 0:27:03.440 --> 0:27:07.720 maybe it's something different altogether? Uh, maybe the reason some 0:27:07.720 --> 0:27:10.560 of this isn't touching it is because it's it's not 0:27:10.600 --> 0:27:14.560 what's really causing it. And if they'll look at me 0:27:14.560 --> 0:27:16.239 and hook a little bit and go, well, what are 0:27:16.240 --> 0:27:19.480 you talking about? Now I'm now I'm talking to them. 0:27:19.480 --> 0:27:22.159 But in response to their asking me, you know, what 0:27:22.160 --> 0:27:24.800 are you talking about? Instead of me saying, hey, you 0:27:24.800 --> 0:27:26.560 need to pick up a Bible, you need to go 0:27:26.560 --> 0:27:29.080 see someone and get rid of demons. Well, you know, 0:27:29.119 --> 0:27:32.120 most people don't respond well to something like that, Christian 0:27:32.119 --> 0:27:36.360 or non-Christian. So I look for ways to go fishing 0:27:36.359 --> 0:27:38.399 if I see it. But at the point that if 0:27:38.400 --> 0:27:41.800 I'm the one badgering pushing, I have found more often 0:27:41.800 --> 0:27:44.840 than not people will just say, uh, what do you 0:27:44.840 --> 0:27:47.160 want to hear? For me to leave you alone because 0:27:47.160 --> 0:27:48.560 you're a creep and I don't even want to talk 0:27:48.560 --> 0:27:51.080 to you. So I don't think you do yourself any 0:27:51.080 --> 0:27:54.480 favors when you say, I'm here to be the the 0:27:54.520 --> 0:27:59.840 demon buster. Uh, I haven't seen that. Be very helpful. Uh, 0:27:59.840 --> 0:28:04.560 when people are responding because you've raised up something they 0:28:04.560 --> 0:28:07.160 didn't understand or stuff that they've tried to work with 0:28:07.200 --> 0:28:10.720 hasn't worked, or have you considered? Or here's a good book. 0:28:10.960 --> 0:28:13.600 Have you ever read Janet's book on? You know, it's 0:28:13.600 --> 0:28:16.439 an excellent book. Maybe Christian or non-Christian? They'll go, no, 0:28:16.440 --> 0:28:20.199 I haven't, thank you. And who knows? You know, after that, say, hey, 0:28:20.240 --> 0:28:22.480 you know that book that I read, I've really got 0:28:22.480 --> 0:28:25.430 some questions. Well, now they're coming to you with questions. 0:28:25.430 --> 0:28:27.910 And it's like, Marcia, you're doing them a favor by 0:28:27.910 --> 0:28:30.590 answering their questions. So they're not looking at you like, 0:28:30.950 --> 0:28:32.869 you know, I'm running from you. It's like, thank you 0:28:32.869 --> 0:28:35.989 for the help. That would be the first one. The 0:28:35.990 --> 0:28:38.430 second one. On the difference about, you know, when demons 0:28:38.430 --> 0:28:40.990 are bugging versus when I'm just having a bad day. 0:28:41.350 --> 0:28:43.630 I will say that. And I've said it this way. 0:28:43.670 --> 0:28:45.910 It's it's a little akin to the question about how 0:28:45.910 --> 0:28:49.110 do you tell the difference when when something is demonic, 0:28:49.110 --> 0:28:52.430 supernaturally sourced and when it's mentally, you know, maybe someone's 0:28:52.430 --> 0:28:56.470 just had a breakdown. It's just something that isn't connected. 0:28:56.910 --> 0:28:59.070 And I have I have said that because the answer 0:28:59.070 --> 0:29:02.070 is much the same. I said usually when it's demonic, 0:29:02.070 --> 0:29:06.150 it will be second person in in in in what 0:29:06.150 --> 0:29:09.390 I mean by that is you process things. Marcia. First person. 0:29:09.430 --> 0:29:13.230 I'm tired. I'm having a bad day. Um, boy, did 0:29:13.230 --> 0:29:16.310 I do something wrong. I should have this should of that. 0:29:16.350 --> 0:29:20.150 That's how we process things. That's. That's us. When you're catching, 0:29:20.190 --> 0:29:22.590 you know, you always have bad days because you're such 0:29:22.590 --> 0:29:26.270 a rotten Christian. Your Bible reading is a joke. Your 0:29:26.270 --> 0:29:29.350 prayers bounce off the ceiling and no one likes you. 0:29:29.710 --> 0:29:31.910 You know those Christians at your church are a fake. 0:29:32.510 --> 0:29:36.150 I've asked people the pronouns flip. Why? Because when demons 0:29:36.150 --> 0:29:39.510 are speaking, they mentally. Second Corinthians 11 one through four 0:29:39.830 --> 0:29:42.270 is one place that says, yep, that's where they surely 0:29:42.270 --> 0:29:45.990 can attack. And it's usually mental. But they're not me, 0:29:46.030 --> 0:29:49.790 so they don't. It's not me, uh, throwing that kind 0:29:49.790 --> 0:29:53.229 of thought in my thinking. Uh, any more than it 0:29:53.230 --> 0:29:55.950 was Eve saying, I'm going to make up that a 0:29:55.950 --> 0:29:58.430 serpent is saying to me. Has God really said I 0:29:58.430 --> 0:30:00.510 wasn't part of her thinking? It was. It was. It 0:30:00.510 --> 0:30:05.150 was intrusive. But they're typically second person. And I think 0:30:05.150 --> 0:30:08.990 it's because demons aren't us. They want to throw out 0:30:08.990 --> 0:30:11.550 the lions to see if they can take us fishing. 0:30:11.830 --> 0:30:14.710 But it can't be I because they're not me. And 0:30:14.710 --> 0:30:17.150 I've said, if it's we, sometimes there can be more 0:30:17.150 --> 0:30:19.430 than one. Someone says to me, I heard we're going 0:30:19.430 --> 0:30:21.430 to kill you. I mean, if it's real, maybe there's 0:30:21.430 --> 0:30:24.630 just more than one demon, but none of us process 0:30:24.670 --> 0:30:27.110 in a first person plural pronoun. We had a bad day, 0:30:27.110 --> 0:30:30.390 didn't we? Uh, we're tired, aren't we? I don't think 0:30:30.390 --> 0:30:32.590 that way. And I don't process that way. So that 0:30:32.590 --> 0:30:34.310 would be one of the responses. The second one I 0:30:34.310 --> 0:30:37.190 would give you is when it's demonic, so much of 0:30:37.190 --> 0:30:39.990 it will go back to either your inadequate as a 0:30:39.990 --> 0:30:44.190 Christian or Jesus is inadequate as a Savior. It's either 0:30:44.190 --> 0:30:46.750 why you'll never make it, you're never good enough, you know, 0:30:46.790 --> 0:30:49.910 whatever it is you and just give up and quit. 0:30:49.910 --> 0:30:52.510 Or if Jesus loved you, why doesn't he watch out 0:30:52.510 --> 0:30:54.510 for you? It's because he doesn't really love you. This 0:30:54.510 --> 0:30:57.590 is never going to change. Or Jesus loved you once, 0:30:57.590 --> 0:30:59.710 but he left you. He's so disgusted with you. So 0:30:59.710 --> 0:31:01.710 just kill yourself because you're never going to get back 0:31:01.710 --> 0:31:05.390 in his good graces. But I'll say almost always, when 0:31:05.390 --> 0:31:08.709 demons are involved, it's going to involve some kind of 0:31:09.870 --> 0:31:12.630 of a of a rub against me as a Christian 0:31:12.630 --> 0:31:14.190 or Jesus as a savior. 0:31:15.470 --> 0:31:18.430 Wow, what an answer, Carl. Thank you. And I hope, Marcia, 0:31:18.470 --> 0:31:21.780 tremendously that you were encouraged by that. Thank you so much, Lisa. 0:31:21.780 --> 0:31:23.660 You're in Indiana. I thank you for your patience and 0:31:23.660 --> 0:31:25.300 we'd love your question now, please. 0:31:27.060 --> 0:31:32.940 Yes, I have a 30 year old son and, um, 0:31:32.940 --> 0:31:36.060 who came to the Lord as a young boy and 0:31:36.060 --> 0:31:40.420 then was baptized later on, and he read the, um, 0:31:40.540 --> 0:31:45.820 deconstruction book in the last year, and, um, has told 0:31:46.340 --> 0:31:49.700 my husband and I that he no longer has the 0:31:49.700 --> 0:31:58.100 same values as us, and now is, um, doing tarot cards, um, 0:31:58.300 --> 0:32:04.940 and has poor choices of women. So my question is, um, 0:32:04.940 --> 0:32:07.260 he has two sons that are eight and six, and 0:32:07.260 --> 0:32:09.940 I'm praying the armor of God on them every day. 0:32:10.380 --> 0:32:13.220 But what? How should I pray for him? 0:32:16.580 --> 0:32:19.740 Um, great question from a parent that loves and cares, 0:32:19.740 --> 0:32:24.020 I get it. My my prayer for him would be 0:32:24.020 --> 0:32:27.780 the offensive type that I talked about before, uh, with 0:32:27.780 --> 0:32:30.860 the first caller, but I would just be praying, Lord, 0:32:30.860 --> 0:32:34.500 would you please undermine the ones trying to undermine my son? 0:32:34.900 --> 0:32:37.540 Would you confuse the ones that are trying to confuse 0:32:37.540 --> 0:32:40.980 my son? Would you put my son in a position, 0:32:41.020 --> 0:32:43.980 hopefully in a I don't want it to be tragedy, 0:32:44.260 --> 0:32:46.340 but would you put him in a position where he 0:32:46.340 --> 0:32:49.860 turns back to you, assuming he ever did turn to you? 0:32:49.860 --> 0:32:51.620 I don't I don't know him. I don't know anything 0:32:51.620 --> 0:32:55.540 about it. Because someone is baptized certainly doesn't make them 0:32:55.540 --> 0:32:58.420 a Christian any more than because I go to church. 0:32:58.420 --> 0:33:00.979 It makes me a Christian. I can sleep in a 0:33:00.980 --> 0:33:03.420 barn and not be a cow, and I can take 0:33:03.420 --> 0:33:05.620 a bath and and not be a pig, you know, 0:33:05.660 --> 0:33:09.740 kind of thing. But what I'm suggesting would be, uh, 0:33:09.740 --> 0:33:13.940 I'm going to be praying for demons to ultimately leave 0:33:13.980 --> 0:33:16.820 the one if it's a Christian. If they're not Christians, 0:33:16.820 --> 0:33:18.930 they they have no fear. They'll say, I don't have 0:33:18.930 --> 0:33:22.170 to obey anything you say, but assuming it's a Christian 0:33:22.170 --> 0:33:24.489 and they know that your authority is greater, or the 0:33:24.490 --> 0:33:27.770 Christian's authority is greater if they want them gone. Christian 0:33:27.770 --> 0:33:29.930 doesn't have to put up with it, but since he 0:33:29.930 --> 0:33:32.290 would be the one if he's involved himself with this 0:33:32.290 --> 0:33:34.489 stuff that needs to have this stop, he needs to 0:33:34.490 --> 0:33:37.770 be the one saying, Lord God, forgive me. You know, 0:33:37.810 --> 0:33:40.650 I've got myself involved in all kinds of things and 0:33:40.650 --> 0:33:44.010 that we're tapas. We talked about in Ephesians 427. I've 0:33:44.050 --> 0:33:47.570 given away places and spaces and ground to enemies that 0:33:47.570 --> 0:33:50.489 I want given back to you. Would you forgive me 0:33:50.490 --> 0:33:53.770 of the sin and cancel any permission they have? That 0:33:53.770 --> 0:33:57.090 has to come from the demonized person. A person that 0:33:57.090 --> 0:33:59.210 loves them and prays for them can say, I want 0:33:59.210 --> 0:34:01.890 that to happen, but it has to come from them. 0:34:02.010 --> 0:34:03.890 So my prayer for the one that's a loved one 0:34:03.890 --> 0:34:05.370 is going to be saying, Lord, put them in a 0:34:05.370 --> 0:34:08.090 place where they will want that, where they will see that, 0:34:08.130 --> 0:34:11.010 they'll see the error of their way. They'll see, why 0:34:11.010 --> 0:34:13.209 would I want to give my life to the one 0:34:13.210 --> 0:34:17.810 who has lesser authority, i.e. the creation, One than the 0:34:17.810 --> 0:34:21.529 one who has all authority, the creator. When Jesus says 0:34:21.530 --> 0:34:25.529 in Matthew 2818, all authority is given me, he says, 0:34:25.530 --> 0:34:28.730 not just on earth, in heaven and earth. And so 0:34:28.730 --> 0:34:32.129 I'm the boss. 19 here's the job. And 20 don't forget, 0:34:32.130 --> 0:34:34.770 I'm always with you. I remember as a Christian, I'm 0:34:34.770 --> 0:34:37.529 on the side of the one who won so I 0:34:37.530 --> 0:34:40.569 can intercede and pray. Lord, help them understand that that's 0:34:40.570 --> 0:34:42.130 what I would be doing as a parent. 0:34:43.489 --> 0:34:45.609 Lisa, thank you so very, very much. Again, I hope 0:34:45.610 --> 0:34:48.450 you found great encouragement in that question and let me go, 0:34:48.450 --> 0:34:50.810 if I can. Please. To. Denise. Denise, thank you so 0:34:50.810 --> 0:34:52.730 very much for joining us. Your question now. 0:34:53.930 --> 0:34:56.650 Thank you for having me on, Janet. I absolutely love 0:34:56.650 --> 0:35:01.650 your show. And Doctor Payne. Our small group is currently 0:35:01.650 --> 0:35:05.130 reading your book on spiritual warfare and we're loving it. 0:35:05.130 --> 0:35:09.009 So my question is, how do we know if a 0:35:09.010 --> 0:35:10.370 child has a demon? 0:35:12.530 --> 0:35:16.680 Well, first, thank you for using it as small group. 0:35:16.680 --> 0:35:20.359 I've been told before about small groups, Bible studies, you know, 0:35:20.400 --> 0:35:22.759 reading clubs, etc. I catch that once in a while, 0:35:22.760 --> 0:35:25.000 but I'll tell you, it's a joy to hear because 0:35:25.000 --> 0:35:29.040 I want people walking free, understanding that their body is 0:35:29.040 --> 0:35:31.880 a temple, not a prison, and their mind is a 0:35:31.920 --> 0:35:35.400 is a temple, not a prison. So thank you. Um, 0:35:35.440 --> 0:35:39.160 I would say something like this, uh, again, especially when 0:35:39.160 --> 0:35:42.240 it's kids and people can talk about, you know, imagination 0:35:42.239 --> 0:35:45.200 and all. Well, I'll have people come in where, uh, 0:35:46.040 --> 0:35:48.839 and this doesn't happen occasionally. I'm saying I've had this 0:35:48.840 --> 0:35:51.600 happen often enough that it registers. It would be like 0:35:51.600 --> 0:35:54.560 Carl my so and so, you know, son, daughter, whatever 0:35:54.560 --> 0:35:57.480 it was. I mean, when they were three, four and five, 0:35:57.520 --> 0:35:59.719 I mean, they would wake up screaming that there was 0:35:59.719 --> 0:36:02.400 something in the room, that there was something touching them. 0:36:02.600 --> 0:36:04.799 And we would just go, oh, honey, it's just a 0:36:04.800 --> 0:36:07.640 bad dream and all, and I wish I'd have taken 0:36:07.640 --> 0:36:11.440 some of that more seriously. I don't know that there's 100% 0:36:11.480 --> 0:36:14.200 way to be able to see the difference in that, 0:36:14.200 --> 0:36:17.520 but if I'm seeing someone continually coming up with thoughts 0:36:17.520 --> 0:36:22.120 that aren't appropriate, questions that aren't appropriate, or constantly telling 0:36:22.120 --> 0:36:23.960 me something's going on as a parent, I'm going to 0:36:23.960 --> 0:36:27.759 check that out instead of just assuming ain't kids cute? 0:36:28.600 --> 0:36:28.960 Yeah. 0:36:29.239 --> 0:36:32.319 Yeah, that's a great answer, Denise. Thank you. And thanks 0:36:32.320 --> 0:36:34.560 for encouraging my friend Carl by saying that you're using 0:36:34.560 --> 0:36:36.439 that book. I hope your small group is blessed as 0:36:36.440 --> 0:36:38.239 a result of that. Let me take a break and 0:36:38.239 --> 0:36:43.359 come right back to the phones. The number (877) 548-3675. The 0:36:43.360 --> 0:36:47.080 topic spiritual warfare. The teacher doctor Carl Payne. More after 0:36:47.080 --> 0:37:11.160 this shall stand. Doctor Carl Payne, our guest, and we're 0:37:11.160 --> 0:37:16.910 talking about spiritual warfare. Taking your questions at (877) 548-3675. And 0:37:16.910 --> 0:37:18.989 may I just say they're excellent questions. And there's so 0:37:18.989 --> 0:37:24.310 many wonderful ones still online. (877) 548-3675. Beverly, thank you for 0:37:24.310 --> 0:37:26.310 being here from Florida. Your question please. 0:37:27.430 --> 0:37:31.430 Uh, yes. Um, my friend used to be an atheist, 0:37:31.430 --> 0:37:36.070 and he said he became a Christian, and he has 0:37:36.070 --> 0:37:39.750 some kind of demon that talks to him, and he 0:37:39.790 --> 0:37:42.270 hates it. And he says he's annoying. He calls him 0:37:42.270 --> 0:37:46.390 a nebbish or something like that. Uh, my friend's Jewish, and, um, 0:37:46.710 --> 0:37:50.029 I want to know, is it possible that he can't 0:37:50.030 --> 0:37:53.390 get rid of that demon until he. If he really 0:37:53.390 --> 0:37:57.910 is a Christian, until he gets baptized? Or or should 0:37:57.910 --> 0:38:00.989 he be able to, uh, get rid of that demon 0:38:01.350 --> 0:38:04.390 even if he isn't baptized? He says, I don't want 0:38:04.390 --> 0:38:07.430 to get baptized, and God knows why, you know so. 0:38:08.230 --> 0:38:11.150 And and I wanted to do something, but I didn't 0:38:11.150 --> 0:38:16.310 feel like I had enough authority power to get rid 0:38:16.350 --> 0:38:17.070 of that demon. 0:38:18.950 --> 0:38:21.270 Well, let me let me go after your question in 0:38:21.310 --> 0:38:24.750 two parts. And if I miss any part of it, 0:38:24.750 --> 0:38:26.830 then you just tell Janet, and she can run me 0:38:26.870 --> 0:38:30.350 right back at it. Uh, but I would say first 0:38:30.390 --> 0:38:33.870 that if your friend is born again, there is absolutely 0:38:33.870 --> 0:38:38.469 nothing that should keep him from being able to deal 0:38:38.910 --> 0:38:42.910 with demonic spirits or demonization, as long as he is 0:38:42.910 --> 0:38:45.390 willing to deal with whatever it was that opened the 0:38:45.390 --> 0:38:50.630 door to them. So, uh, when, when, when, uh, we've 0:38:50.670 --> 0:38:53.790 I think I've referenced it 2 or 3 times already, 0:38:53.950 --> 0:38:57.110 but when Christians give tapas a place or a space 0:38:57.110 --> 0:39:00.310 of control to demons, it doesn't mean they're owned by 0:39:00.310 --> 0:39:02.350 the demon. And I don't think that's what you're saying, 0:39:02.670 --> 0:39:05.030 but it certainly means that they can have a degree 0:39:05.030 --> 0:39:09.270 of control until whatever was given to them is taken back. 0:39:09.630 --> 0:39:12.990 That's why it is so important when I say it's 0:39:12.989 --> 0:39:17.629 not my job to chase people down. Are they Christian? non-Christian? 0:39:17.630 --> 0:39:21.670 Are they Christians living in disobedience out of choice? Is 0:39:21.670 --> 0:39:26.989 it a Christian? Just overwhelmed, I don't know. I want, 0:39:27.030 --> 0:39:29.470 I want to know from them. Are you the one 0:39:29.469 --> 0:39:32.190 wanting to deal with this? If your friend is truly 0:39:32.190 --> 0:39:36.390 born again, uh, there's there's no reason. If he's willing 0:39:36.430 --> 0:39:39.029 to put on the table. I say three non-negotiables I 0:39:39.070 --> 0:39:41.790 write in that book. Number one, you're a Christian. Number two, 0:39:41.830 --> 0:39:45.190 you're 100% honest and open about whatever. Open the doors. 0:39:45.230 --> 0:39:47.910 And number three, you came to fight, not make excuses 0:39:47.910 --> 0:39:51.989 or passively run. If he's there, it can be. It 0:39:51.989 --> 0:39:53.990 can be dealt with. It just needs to be dealt 0:39:53.989 --> 0:39:59.150 with instead of ignored. Number two, um, the New Testament 0:39:59.150 --> 0:40:03.630 does not indicate anywhere that baptism has anything to do 0:40:03.630 --> 0:40:08.110 with whether or not demons can, uh, you know, demons 0:40:08.110 --> 0:40:11.740 will leave a person or not. naught. That's if someone 0:40:11.739 --> 0:40:14.420 has told you that, or if that's just an assumption 0:40:14.420 --> 0:40:18.620 you've made, that a person who has been baptized demons 0:40:18.620 --> 0:40:21.940 will leave. But a person who hasn't been baptized, they won't. 0:40:22.380 --> 0:40:25.500 There there's not a biblical support for that, at least 0:40:25.500 --> 0:40:29.259 not contextually. So, you know, if someone said to me, 0:40:29.260 --> 0:40:33.739 is baptism important, I would say Amen. Do you encourage baptism? Amen. 0:40:33.780 --> 0:40:37.460 I do, I will say the baptism is an external 0:40:37.460 --> 0:40:40.380 ordinance that we're supposed to be involved with as a 0:40:40.380 --> 0:40:44.820 way of telling people inside, my life has changed and 0:40:44.820 --> 0:40:47.020 and I want you to know about it. So it 0:40:47.020 --> 0:40:49.780 becomes something where the private that happened in my heart 0:40:49.780 --> 0:40:53.020 becomes public. And it's a wonderful thing. And believers were 0:40:53.020 --> 0:40:57.140 encouraged to be to be baptized. But I'm nowhere told 0:40:57.140 --> 0:41:01.700 that baptism determines salvation, at least not contextually. The Mark 0:41:01.700 --> 0:41:05.500 16 is not contextual. And the acts chapter two, and 0:41:05.500 --> 0:41:07.860 those are the only two verses people that really push 0:41:07.860 --> 0:41:10.299 that hard like to go to. And both of those 0:41:10.300 --> 0:41:13.460 can be dealt with contextually in a way that just says, yes, 0:41:13.460 --> 0:41:18.020 it's important. But no, it doesn't determine salvation. And if 0:41:18.020 --> 0:41:21.340 it doesn't determine salvation, I'm saying, again, I'm not aware 0:41:21.340 --> 0:41:24.819 of anywhere in Scripture that it says that my baptism 0:41:24.820 --> 0:41:28.020 changes whether or not demons will respond to the delegated 0:41:28.020 --> 0:41:31.219 authority of a Christian, which is given to them when 0:41:31.219 --> 0:41:34.500 they believe. When they believe. 0:41:35.540 --> 0:41:38.940 Yeah. Wow. Excellent. Thank you so much for the question. 0:41:38.940 --> 0:41:44.580 I greatly appreciate it. (877) 548-3675. Rick in Washington state. Thanks 0:41:44.580 --> 0:41:47.940 for stopping by. Neighbors. Rick, I introduce you to your neighbor, 0:41:47.980 --> 0:41:49.660 Doctor Carl Payne. Your question. Rick. 0:41:51.140 --> 0:41:53.340 Well, first, thanks for taking my call. I wanted to 0:41:53.340 --> 0:41:55.180 ask you, when Jesus was on earth, he had demon 0:41:55.180 --> 0:41:57.980 possessed people in his day. And he said, even with 0:41:57.980 --> 0:41:59.540 a bound in the last day. So all this evil 0:41:59.540 --> 0:42:01.980 that's going on, if he was demon possessed people today. 0:42:04.980 --> 0:42:08.529 I think that's insightful. I would say this, I would 0:42:08.530 --> 0:42:12.410 say that I think anytime God is involved in kind 0:42:12.410 --> 0:42:17.450 of a major dispensational shakedown or change something coming up, 0:42:17.770 --> 0:42:23.730 I'm not surprised if there's an uptick in demonic activity. Clearly, 0:42:23.770 --> 0:42:26.730 you know the time of Moses, you saw an uptick. Clearly, 0:42:26.969 --> 0:42:31.250 you know, in the time of some of the you know, 0:42:31.290 --> 0:42:33.690 you think of Isaiah, you think of Elisha, some of 0:42:33.690 --> 0:42:37.049 the prophets, uh, you know, some of the, some of 0:42:37.050 --> 0:42:40.250 the kings, you know, followers of Baal and such. You 0:42:40.250 --> 0:42:43.410 see it clearly at the time of Jesus. You see it. 0:42:43.410 --> 0:42:46.770 And I think we're told over and repeatedly. I mean, 0:42:46.810 --> 0:42:49.489 Jesus in Matthew 24, things are going to be going 0:42:49.489 --> 0:42:52.170 on are going to be far beyond normal. And I 0:42:52.170 --> 0:42:55.010 think Paul says several different places, but I already mentioned 0:42:55.050 --> 0:42:57.290 the first Timothy four one, that there's going to be 0:42:57.330 --> 0:43:01.570 used the word uptick or an increase in demonic delusion. 0:43:01.570 --> 0:43:04.009 So if somebody said, do I think that that could 0:43:04.010 --> 0:43:07.569 be an indication that we're we're coming closer. I kind 0:43:07.610 --> 0:43:10.489 of think, like, I think, uh, Janet was saying, I'm 0:43:10.530 --> 0:43:12.410 not going to try to predict the day or the time. 0:43:12.410 --> 0:43:14.650 You're not told to do that. But I think I 0:43:14.690 --> 0:43:17.130 have to be a blind person if I don't see 0:43:17.450 --> 0:43:21.370 there is so much going on that that certainly sounds 0:43:21.370 --> 0:43:24.210 like it falls in line with things that Jesus says 0:43:24.210 --> 0:43:28.250 in Matthew 24 are going to be going on. And, uh, 0:43:28.850 --> 0:43:32.810 you know, the first Thessalonians 413 to 18 is going 0:43:32.850 --> 0:43:35.129 to be going on, uh, one of the things that 0:43:35.130 --> 0:43:39.210 I thought about when, uh, with Janet's opening, I see 0:43:39.210 --> 0:43:42.370 maybe this is an appropriate time. I'm taking a class 0:43:42.370 --> 0:43:46.049 right now through, uh, Doctor David Jeremiah's book, The Book 0:43:46.050 --> 0:43:48.569 of Signs. So someone's teaching my book in a in 0:43:48.610 --> 0:43:50.970 a group. I'm teaching his book right now in a group. 0:43:51.290 --> 0:43:55.770 But we just. Last night, we did a chapter on apathy. 0:43:56.130 --> 0:43:58.290 And my first thought is, okay, he's going to go 0:43:58.290 --> 0:44:02.050 after the apathy of, of, uh, you know, the world 0:44:02.050 --> 0:44:04.690 around us. And there's so much, you know, going on 0:44:04.800 --> 0:44:07.840 now that 30 years ago I would have never believed 0:44:07.880 --> 0:44:12.320 could be going on. Natural or supernatural. But he basically 0:44:12.320 --> 0:44:14.440 comes up and part of what he says is. Is 0:44:14.640 --> 0:44:19.000 the church, instead of standing against it, just becomes normalized. 0:44:19.000 --> 0:44:21.279 And I'm more concerned about looking out of step with 0:44:21.280 --> 0:44:24.359 my friends than I am what's right or wrong. So 0:44:24.400 --> 0:44:27.759 instead of standing up, we just shut up. And I 0:44:27.760 --> 0:44:30.080 think he's saying part of that apathy is not just 0:44:30.080 --> 0:44:33.359 the world and its freefall, but it's Christians and not 0:44:33.360 --> 0:44:36.520 being willing to be the pillar of truth. You know, 0:44:36.600 --> 0:44:37.960 first Timothy three. 0:44:38.000 --> 0:44:38.520 Exactly. 0:44:38.560 --> 0:44:39.200 15. 0:44:40.160 --> 0:44:42.640 Yep. We're afraid to be a pillar of truth. We 0:44:42.640 --> 0:44:43.960 don't want to be criticized. 0:44:44.239 --> 0:44:46.399 What a note to end this on. Thank you for that, Kyle. Rick, 0:44:46.400 --> 0:44:48.799 thank you very much for the question as well. Let 0:44:48.800 --> 0:44:50.879 me say to my friends whose calls we were not 0:44:50.880 --> 0:44:53.239 able to take if the Lord should tarry, and he 0:44:53.239 --> 0:44:55.880 allows doctor Karl-Heinz coming back again. So when you hear 0:44:55.920 --> 0:44:57.719 me give that number the next time you get in 0:44:57.719 --> 0:45:00.000 line first. Thank you Carl. Thank you friends. We'll see 0:45:00.000 --> 0:45:00.720 you next time.