1 00:00:00,040 --> 00:00:02,480 S1: Hi friends. Thanks so much for downloading this podcast, and 2 00:00:02,480 --> 00:00:06,000 S1: I hope truly that you will hear something that will encourage, edify, equip, 3 00:00:06,000 --> 00:00:08,360 S1: and enlighten you to get out there and influence and 4 00:00:08,400 --> 00:00:11,040 S1: occupy until he comes. And on that note, may I 5 00:00:11,039 --> 00:00:13,080 S1: take just a few moments here to describe this month's 6 00:00:13,080 --> 00:00:15,920 S1: truth tool? It's by pastor Jack Hibbs. He's written the 7 00:00:15,920 --> 00:00:19,040 S1: book called Called to Take a Bold Stand. I absolutely 8 00:00:19,040 --> 00:00:21,520 S1: love this book because it reminds us that in Christ 9 00:00:21,520 --> 00:00:24,480 S1: all things pass away. All things become new, that we 10 00:00:24,480 --> 00:00:27,240 S1: are standing for his truth, that we have a new nature. 11 00:00:27,240 --> 00:00:30,080 S1: Because of him, we should be living boldly. But far 12 00:00:30,080 --> 00:00:33,120 S1: too often we retreat out of fear from cultural blowback. 13 00:00:33,320 --> 00:00:35,600 S1: So I want to encourage all of us to just 14 00:00:35,600 --> 00:00:37,800 S1: stand up for Christ, to be unashamed of who we 15 00:00:37,800 --> 00:00:40,120 S1: are in him, and to go into a culture that's 16 00:00:40,120 --> 00:00:43,600 S1: telling us in no uncertain terms. They're lost and they're hurting. 17 00:00:43,600 --> 00:00:45,760 S1: So if you'd like a copy of Pastor Hibbs new 18 00:00:45,760 --> 00:00:48,400 S1: book called Call to Take a Bold Stand, just give 19 00:00:48,400 --> 00:00:50,720 S1: a gift of any amount by calling eight, seven, seven. 20 00:00:50,720 --> 00:00:53,680 S1: Janet 58. 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For now, 39 00:01:37,340 --> 00:01:39,179 S1: please enjoy the broadcast. 40 00:01:39,660 --> 00:01:41,180 S2: Here are some of the news headlines we're watching. 41 00:01:41,500 --> 00:01:43,779 S3: The conference was over. The president won a pledge. 42 00:01:43,900 --> 00:01:45,979 S4: Americans worshiping government over God. 43 00:01:46,300 --> 00:01:49,700 S5: Extremely rare safety move by a major 17 years. 44 00:01:49,700 --> 00:01:51,740 S6: The Palestinians and Israelis negotiated. 45 00:02:07,470 --> 00:02:08,150 S5: Hi friends. 46 00:02:08,150 --> 00:02:10,510 S1: Welcome to In the Market with Janet Partial. A very 47 00:02:10,550 --> 00:02:12,870 S1: happy Wednesday to you. Thank you so very much for 48 00:02:12,870 --> 00:02:16,510 S1: joining me this hour. And as we get into our conversation, 49 00:02:16,510 --> 00:02:20,310 S1: which I pray will be edifying for you and encouraging and, well, 50 00:02:20,350 --> 00:02:22,669 S1: in full transparency, I hope it will make you bolder 51 00:02:22,669 --> 00:02:26,310 S1: for the gospel of Jesus Christ. You and I carry 52 00:02:26,310 --> 00:02:30,590 S1: within us this imperishable message. I don't know about you, 53 00:02:30,590 --> 00:02:32,830 S1: but I'm still blown away that God would pour his 54 00:02:32,830 --> 00:02:37,669 S1: profound message of salvation into our lives, into our hearts. 55 00:02:37,830 --> 00:02:41,510 S1: We are fractured vessels. We're cracked pots, if you will. 56 00:02:41,750 --> 00:02:45,430 S1: And yet he gives us the privilege of living out 57 00:02:45,470 --> 00:02:47,910 S1: the eloquence of the gospel, as it says in the 58 00:02:47,910 --> 00:02:51,790 S1: tombstone of William Wilberforce. And people get a chance to 59 00:02:51,870 --> 00:02:54,910 S1: see Christ in us. But our job also is to 60 00:02:54,950 --> 00:02:57,850 S1: tell others about Christ. Is it going to be easy? 61 00:02:57,889 --> 00:03:00,450 S1: Absolutely not. And Jesus told us that. They said, if 62 00:03:00,450 --> 00:03:04,130 S1: they revile you, remember, they reviled against me first. In 63 00:03:04,130 --> 00:03:06,730 S1: other words, if they hate you, remember they hated me first. 64 00:03:06,770 --> 00:03:09,209 S1: That's a good reminder that in the end, it really 65 00:03:09,210 --> 00:03:13,010 S1: wasn't about Jesus, the person, the God-Man. It wasn't really 66 00:03:13,010 --> 00:03:15,250 S1: about you or me. It's the message. It is why 67 00:03:15,250 --> 00:03:17,850 S1: it is referred to as the offense of the cross. 68 00:03:18,210 --> 00:03:20,690 S1: And when you're told that you've sinned, when you've told 69 00:03:20,690 --> 00:03:23,530 S1: that you've turned your back on God, when you're told 70 00:03:23,530 --> 00:03:26,610 S1: that without the redemption and the salvation of Jesus Christ, 71 00:03:26,610 --> 00:03:29,610 S1: the recognition of your sins, the confession of your sins, 72 00:03:29,610 --> 00:03:31,970 S1: and asking God to come into your life, forgive you 73 00:03:32,010 --> 00:03:35,250 S1: your sins and take him away. And knowing that when 74 00:03:35,250 --> 00:03:37,890 S1: that happens, your name is written forever in the Lamb's 75 00:03:37,890 --> 00:03:39,770 S1: Book of Life, and nothing and no one can separate 76 00:03:39,770 --> 00:03:41,730 S1: you from the love of God. That's the best news 77 00:03:41,730 --> 00:03:44,130 S1: mankind has ever heard. The antithesis of that is you 78 00:03:44,170 --> 00:03:46,970 S1: go to hell now. Oh, how un-pc in a culture 79 00:03:46,970 --> 00:03:49,850 S1: like we find ourselves today. So I want us to 80 00:03:49,890 --> 00:03:53,750 S1: talk a little bit about this phrase wicked and perverse generation. 81 00:03:53,750 --> 00:03:55,990 S1: It really has. I been digging into the word lately. 82 00:03:55,990 --> 00:03:57,830 S1: That's really come up a couple of times. And I 83 00:03:57,870 --> 00:04:02,030 S1: found something fascinating about this. That phrase, a wicked and perverse. 84 00:04:02,030 --> 00:04:06,430 S1: Some translations say adulterous generation is something that Jesus said 85 00:04:06,430 --> 00:04:11,230 S1: in Matthew 16 four. Now that's interesting to me that 86 00:04:11,230 --> 00:04:13,390 S1: he would be talking about it. And he was really 87 00:04:13,390 --> 00:04:16,870 S1: recognizing the fact that there were people outside who were 88 00:04:16,870 --> 00:04:19,950 S1: turning their back on God. They were people who were 89 00:04:19,950 --> 00:04:23,990 S1: marked by unbelief, spiritual corruption, and rebellion against God. And 90 00:04:23,990 --> 00:04:28,390 S1: these were also people who wanted signs more than the truth, 91 00:04:28,390 --> 00:04:30,310 S1: as truth was standing in front of them. And his 92 00:04:30,310 --> 00:04:32,990 S1: name is Jesus. But I find it also very interesting 93 00:04:32,990 --> 00:04:35,590 S1: that we've seen that phrase, that same phrase in the 94 00:04:35,589 --> 00:04:38,710 S1: book of Philippians. Paul said as he's writing to the 95 00:04:38,710 --> 00:04:42,510 S1: church at Philippi, do all things without murmuring and questions, 96 00:04:42,510 --> 00:04:46,270 S1: that you may become blameless and harmless children of God 97 00:04:46,270 --> 00:04:50,390 S1: without rebuke, in the midst of a crooked and perverse generation, 98 00:04:50,430 --> 00:04:54,400 S1: among whom ye are seen as lights in the world. 99 00:04:54,400 --> 00:04:56,880 S1: So there it is. Paul talks about it. Jesus talks 100 00:04:56,880 --> 00:04:59,839 S1: about it. You and I are living in the midst 101 00:04:59,839 --> 00:05:02,000 S1: of a wicked and perverse generation. How do we know 102 00:05:02,000 --> 00:05:04,440 S1: that good is called evil? Evil is called good. And 103 00:05:04,440 --> 00:05:07,039 S1: quite frankly, people are doing what's right in their own eyes. 104 00:05:07,040 --> 00:05:09,520 S1: That's pretty wicked and that's pretty corrupt. I'm going to 105 00:05:09,520 --> 00:05:12,200 S1: give you a classic example of this. For example. Uh, 106 00:05:12,200 --> 00:05:15,719 S1: apparently there's a concern now what's going on in the Netherlands. 107 00:05:15,720 --> 00:05:19,400 S1: And that's because four and a half years after he 108 00:05:19,400 --> 00:05:23,039 S1: was diagnosed with autism, he was on the spectrum. A 109 00:05:23,040 --> 00:05:26,640 S1: Dutch teen was euthanized at his request. Wait, wait. He 110 00:05:26,640 --> 00:05:30,159 S1: was a teenager with euthanasia. He said that life was joyless. 111 00:05:30,160 --> 00:05:32,520 S1: That's how he described his life. And he struggled with anxiety, 112 00:05:32,560 --> 00:05:35,520 S1: mood related problems and where he fit into the world. 113 00:05:35,520 --> 00:05:38,760 S1: And he was oversensitive to stimuli as very often non 114 00:05:38,760 --> 00:05:42,520 S1: neurotypical people are. And every day apparently was supposed to 115 00:05:42,520 --> 00:05:44,400 S1: be a deal, an ordeal that he had to go 116 00:05:44,400 --> 00:05:47,520 S1: through that according to an annual report that's put out 117 00:05:47,520 --> 00:05:50,700 S1: from the Netherlands Regional Euthanasia death review committee in the 118 00:05:50,700 --> 00:05:53,820 S1: final weeks before his death. Allegedly, he laid in bed 119 00:05:53,820 --> 00:05:57,020 S1: all the time. And so, despite his young age, he 120 00:05:57,020 --> 00:05:59,740 S1: was between 16 and 18. His doctors had no doubts 121 00:05:59,779 --> 00:06:03,260 S1: whatsoever that the youth had a mental capacity to appreciate 122 00:06:03,260 --> 00:06:06,300 S1: what he was seeking, and there was no prospect of improvement, 123 00:06:06,300 --> 00:06:08,540 S1: according to the case report. Let me pause right there. 124 00:06:08,740 --> 00:06:11,820 S1: I have six grandbabies. I can tell you that two 125 00:06:11,820 --> 00:06:15,180 S1: of the six are on the spectrum. They are precious. 126 00:06:15,500 --> 00:06:17,980 S1: They are priceless. They are irreplaceable. Do they look at 127 00:06:17,980 --> 00:06:20,339 S1: the world a little differently? They do. And it makes 128 00:06:20,339 --> 00:06:23,380 S1: them all the more precious to me. And very often 129 00:06:23,380 --> 00:06:26,179 S1: I will see them react because they can be overstimulated 130 00:06:26,180 --> 00:06:28,740 S1: by noise, or they don't make eye contact, or they 131 00:06:28,740 --> 00:06:32,380 S1: get very intensely riveted to one particular subject. Ask them 132 00:06:32,380 --> 00:06:34,620 S1: about dinosaurs or Star Wars. They can tell you everything 133 00:06:34,620 --> 00:06:36,580 S1: under the sun. That's just the way it works. And 134 00:06:36,580 --> 00:06:39,700 S1: I love them to death. I would never think because 135 00:06:39,700 --> 00:06:42,620 S1: they were dealing with depression, which very often autism comes 136 00:06:42,620 --> 00:06:46,820 S1: with what we call co-morbidity another diagnosis. And these individuals 137 00:06:46,820 --> 00:06:49,599 S1: very often have to take medication to help with early 138 00:06:49,600 --> 00:06:52,400 S1: onset bipolar or depression or something else that goes along 139 00:06:52,400 --> 00:06:55,479 S1: with the autism spectrum. But in the United States of America, 140 00:06:55,480 --> 00:06:58,320 S1: we would never once think of ending the life of 141 00:06:58,320 --> 00:07:01,400 S1: a child with autism because he found life to be joyless. 142 00:07:01,440 --> 00:07:04,160 S1: In fact, we would aggressively say, how can we give 143 00:07:04,160 --> 00:07:06,640 S1: this young man or this young girl the support that 144 00:07:06,640 --> 00:07:10,680 S1: they need? The problem is, his death now is emblematic 145 00:07:10,680 --> 00:07:14,720 S1: of a marked increase in psychiatric euthanasia that's taking place 146 00:07:14,720 --> 00:07:18,360 S1: in the Netherlands. Uh, in fact, professor of medicine at 147 00:07:18,360 --> 00:07:20,960 S1: the University of Toronto and the past president of the 148 00:07:20,960 --> 00:07:26,080 S1: Canadian Psychiatric Association, said that this Dutch experience of euthanizing 149 00:07:26,080 --> 00:07:29,680 S1: people with psychiatric issues, quote, should be taken as a 150 00:07:29,680 --> 00:07:32,720 S1: wake up call. Now, this is interesting because euthanasia is 151 00:07:32,720 --> 00:07:35,400 S1: rampant in Canada. They have something called maid medical aid 152 00:07:35,400 --> 00:07:38,520 S1: in dying, and they're watching what's happening in the Netherlands. 153 00:07:38,520 --> 00:07:40,640 S1: And that's been around, by the way, to euthanize people 154 00:07:40,640 --> 00:07:44,920 S1: with mental health issues since 2002. They said once upon 155 00:07:44,920 --> 00:07:47,730 S1: a time, virtually nonexistent 1 or 2 cases per year 156 00:07:47,730 --> 00:07:51,730 S1: between 2002 and 2010. Now the problem is, however, they're 157 00:07:51,730 --> 00:07:53,730 S1: seeing more and more people who are dealing with this 158 00:07:53,730 --> 00:07:57,290 S1: particular issue. That's a problem. So I point this out 159 00:07:57,290 --> 00:08:00,090 S1: to you only because it's a perfect example, again, of 160 00:08:00,090 --> 00:08:03,850 S1: living in a wicked and perverse generation. Rather than finding 161 00:08:03,850 --> 00:08:07,290 S1: someone who needs help and saying, you're depressed, you're confused, 162 00:08:07,290 --> 00:08:09,050 S1: you're trying to figure out how to process the world. 163 00:08:09,050 --> 00:08:11,290 S1: What can we do to come alongside, to support you, 164 00:08:11,290 --> 00:08:13,650 S1: to love you, to let you know that God made 165 00:08:13,650 --> 00:08:16,250 S1: you in a very special way, and that he values 166 00:08:16,250 --> 00:08:18,809 S1: you and that he loves you. And even if life 167 00:08:18,810 --> 00:08:21,690 S1: seems joyless sometimes, let's talk about how you can have 168 00:08:21,690 --> 00:08:25,050 S1: a peace that passes understanding. Let's introduce you to the 169 00:08:25,050 --> 00:08:27,690 S1: unconditional lover of your soul. The last thing you're going 170 00:08:27,730 --> 00:08:30,130 S1: to say is, let's help you take your own life 171 00:08:30,610 --> 00:08:34,290 S1: that is emblematic of a wicked and perverse generation now. 172 00:08:34,330 --> 00:08:36,890 S1: Why do I share this with you? AM I discouraged? No, 173 00:08:37,410 --> 00:08:39,610 S1: I've said it before. I'll say it again. This is 174 00:08:39,610 --> 00:08:42,650 S1: a quintessential example of a world turned upside down, but 175 00:08:42,650 --> 00:08:44,950 S1: a world that does exactly what a world does without 176 00:08:44,950 --> 00:08:48,190 S1: Jesus Christ as its center. So I shared these stories 177 00:08:48,190 --> 00:08:50,870 S1: with you to recognize the fact that even though we 178 00:08:50,910 --> 00:08:53,990 S1: are in a wicked and perverse generation, as Paul said 179 00:08:53,990 --> 00:08:56,310 S1: when he was writing to the church of Philippi, we 180 00:08:56,550 --> 00:08:58,990 S1: are called to be what lights in the world to 181 00:08:59,030 --> 00:09:01,870 S1: live boldly for the cause of the cross, so that 182 00:09:01,870 --> 00:09:03,910 S1: people know beyond a shadow of a doubt they're there. 183 00:09:03,950 --> 00:09:06,590 S1: That's one of those followers of the way. Without opening 184 00:09:06,590 --> 00:09:09,309 S1: our mouth, they would be able to see that our 185 00:09:09,309 --> 00:09:11,710 S1: lives are markedly different. Not because of who we are, 186 00:09:11,910 --> 00:09:14,310 S1: but because who dwells in us and who we have 187 00:09:14,309 --> 00:09:17,590 S1: the privilege of representing. I don't know about you, but 188 00:09:17,630 --> 00:09:20,069 S1: while it's tough and there are challenges of being in 189 00:09:20,070 --> 00:09:22,830 S1: a wicked and perverse generation, I wouldn't want to live 190 00:09:22,830 --> 00:09:25,190 S1: anywhere else at any other time. What an opportunity to 191 00:09:25,230 --> 00:09:39,390 S1: let our light shine for him. Back after this. Friends, 192 00:09:39,390 --> 00:09:40,950 S1: this is Janet Partial, and I want to take a 193 00:09:40,950 --> 00:09:43,929 S1: moment to remind you that today's program is prerecorded so 194 00:09:43,929 --> 00:09:46,210 S1: our phone lines aren't open. But I sure do appreciate 195 00:09:46,210 --> 00:09:48,410 S1: your spending the hour with us. And thanks so much 196 00:09:48,410 --> 00:09:53,890 S1: and enjoy the rest of the program. The Bible calls 197 00:09:53,890 --> 00:09:56,410 S1: us to stand for his truth, that we are in Christ, 198 00:09:56,410 --> 00:09:58,250 S1: and that we have a new nature because of him. 199 00:09:58,250 --> 00:10:00,689 S1: So why don't we live boldly? That's why I've chosen 200 00:10:00,690 --> 00:10:02,970 S1: call to take a bold stand by pastor Jack Hibbs 201 00:10:02,970 --> 00:10:05,569 S1: as this month's truth tool. Discover how to stand firmly 202 00:10:05,570 --> 00:10:07,930 S1: in your faith and make every moment count for him. 203 00:10:08,130 --> 00:10:10,090 S1: As for your copy of call to take a bold 204 00:10:10,090 --> 00:10:11,770 S1: stand when you give a gift of any amount to 205 00:10:11,809 --> 00:10:16,610 S1: in the market, call 877. Janet 58. That's 877. Janet 58. 206 00:10:16,610 --> 00:10:20,929 S1: Or go to in the market with Janet dot. Very 207 00:10:20,929 --> 00:10:23,089 S1: often on this broadcast, you will hear me say that 208 00:10:23,090 --> 00:10:25,210 S1: the time has come where we need to be men 209 00:10:25,210 --> 00:10:28,530 S1: and women of God who are recognized as courageous Christians, 210 00:10:28,850 --> 00:10:30,770 S1: that we need to get off a diet of milk, 211 00:10:30,809 --> 00:10:33,209 S1: moved to a diet of meat, and get some spiritual 212 00:10:33,250 --> 00:10:35,569 S1: heft on our bones to know what we believe and 213 00:10:35,570 --> 00:10:39,850 S1: why we believe it, and articulate always through a grace narrative, the. 214 00:10:39,890 --> 00:10:43,660 S1: In the unchangeable truth that can be found in God's Word. Why? 215 00:10:43,700 --> 00:10:47,140 S1: Because we love people enough to tell them the truth. Now, 216 00:10:47,140 --> 00:10:50,459 S1: in a sin sick world where we're moving away from truth, 217 00:10:50,460 --> 00:10:52,939 S1: where that's your truth. But that's not my truth. Where 218 00:10:52,980 --> 00:10:56,660 S1: George Barna's research at Arizona Christian University, through the Cultural 219 00:10:56,660 --> 00:11:01,460 S1: Research Center, says the overwhelming number of American Christians don't 220 00:11:01,460 --> 00:11:05,180 S1: believe in the reality of sin. One out of seven 221 00:11:05,179 --> 00:11:07,820 S1: believe that sin is an issue that needs to be 222 00:11:07,820 --> 00:11:11,220 S1: contend with. The rest believe that basically we're good people. 223 00:11:11,500 --> 00:11:13,900 S1: If you think you're good people and that in every 224 00:11:13,900 --> 00:11:15,900 S1: way and every day you're getting better and better, how 225 00:11:15,940 --> 00:11:18,380 S1: are you going to be bold to stand for the 226 00:11:18,420 --> 00:11:20,940 S1: gospel of Jesus Christ? That's what we're going to talk 227 00:11:20,940 --> 00:11:22,980 S1: about this hour. Being very aware of the days and 228 00:11:22,980 --> 00:11:25,819 S1: the times in which we live. And I'm pretty sure 229 00:11:25,820 --> 00:11:28,780 S1: that when Jack Hibbs wrote this book, he didn't have 230 00:11:28,780 --> 00:11:32,179 S1: an idea that a bold Christian would be martyred for 231 00:11:32,179 --> 00:11:34,700 S1: his faith. So his book is even more prescient now 232 00:11:34,700 --> 00:11:37,219 S1: than it was when he was sitting at his computer 233 00:11:37,220 --> 00:11:40,400 S1: writing it months ago. His new book is called called 234 00:11:40,440 --> 00:11:43,439 S1: to Take a Bold Stand Resilient and Effective Faith for 235 00:11:43,480 --> 00:11:45,600 S1: a Godless Age. If you don't know, Jack is the 236 00:11:45,600 --> 00:11:49,319 S1: senior and founding pastor of Calvary Chapel Chino Hills, based 237 00:11:49,320 --> 00:11:52,280 S1: in Southern California. He's the founder and president of real 238 00:11:52,280 --> 00:11:55,760 S1: life ministry and a nationally syndicated TV and radio host. 239 00:11:55,800 --> 00:11:57,720 S1: He's a marvelous writer, by the way, and I've got 240 00:11:57,720 --> 00:12:00,079 S1: a link on my information page to his website so 241 00:12:00,080 --> 00:12:02,079 S1: that you can follow the great work that he does 242 00:12:02,080 --> 00:12:04,960 S1: and watch him on television and radio. But, Jack, first 243 00:12:04,960 --> 00:12:07,440 S1: of all, the warmest of welcomes. I'm so glad you're here. 244 00:12:07,440 --> 00:12:09,760 S1: I know both of us have very, very heavy hearts 245 00:12:09,800 --> 00:12:12,840 S1: going into this conversation. And I just wondered when you 246 00:12:12,840 --> 00:12:14,720 S1: were having your quiet time with the Lord and the 247 00:12:14,720 --> 00:12:17,520 S1: spirit impressed upon you to write this book, which you 248 00:12:17,520 --> 00:12:19,959 S1: begin with a disclaimer, which I'll discuss in a minute. 249 00:12:20,200 --> 00:12:23,160 S1: If you had any idea how timely it would be 250 00:12:23,160 --> 00:12:25,160 S1: following the assassination of Charlie Kirk. 251 00:12:25,640 --> 00:12:28,680 S7: You know. Of course not exactly. I know that sounds 252 00:12:28,679 --> 00:12:32,960 S7: like a strange answer, but remember, I'm in California where 253 00:12:33,559 --> 00:12:38,220 S7: it is, um, crystal clear in this state regarding Christianity. 254 00:12:38,260 --> 00:12:41,260 S7: You are either a Christian now in California or you 255 00:12:41,260 --> 00:12:45,420 S7: are not. The gray area is gone. There is no 256 00:12:45,420 --> 00:12:50,179 S7: such thing here in this state as some sort of, um, 257 00:12:50,740 --> 00:12:55,540 S7: spectatorship Christianity. And so for that, Janet, I'm grateful that 258 00:12:55,580 --> 00:12:58,740 S7: in California, as a believer, the, the lines are clearly 259 00:12:58,740 --> 00:13:00,780 S7: drawn and the war is on and you can sense 260 00:13:00,780 --> 00:13:05,579 S7: the spiritual battle. That said, uh, we have been fighting 261 00:13:05,580 --> 00:13:07,100 S7: in the state for a long time and we're going 262 00:13:07,100 --> 00:13:09,860 S7: to continue to fight. But of course, I had no idea, 263 00:13:10,179 --> 00:13:15,179 S7: no possible idea that it would that the pain and 264 00:13:15,179 --> 00:13:17,900 S7: the shock of it all would come so close to home. 265 00:13:17,900 --> 00:13:22,780 S7: Charlie and I had been friends for nearly six years, close. And, um. 266 00:13:22,780 --> 00:13:25,219 S7: And yet I loved your introduction, and I thank you 267 00:13:25,260 --> 00:13:29,740 S7: for it. Uh, I'm not prescient, but our God is. 268 00:13:29,780 --> 00:13:33,540 S7: And he knew. And so, you know, the first book, Janet, 269 00:13:33,540 --> 00:13:36,710 S7: was God really blessed it. It was called living in 270 00:13:36,710 --> 00:13:41,110 S7: the Days of deception, and I had no idea that 271 00:13:41,150 --> 00:13:44,190 S7: what would happen would be that this book, called to 272 00:13:44,190 --> 00:13:46,390 S7: Take a Bold Stand, would actually turn out to be 273 00:13:46,390 --> 00:13:50,190 S7: viewed as part two of what do we do if 274 00:13:50,190 --> 00:13:52,790 S7: we live in the days of deception? Well, the answer 275 00:13:52,790 --> 00:13:55,510 S7: is to take a bold stand. That's what you do. 276 00:13:55,950 --> 00:13:59,550 S7: And God's truth. Praise the Lord. Right? God's truth is 277 00:13:59,550 --> 00:14:03,790 S7: eternally consistent and so we can be confident in. We. 278 00:14:04,030 --> 00:14:06,990 S7: We see that when we show up to the fight, 279 00:14:07,030 --> 00:14:09,070 S7: so to speak, right when we show up to the, 280 00:14:09,309 --> 00:14:13,150 S7: the battle for the, the, the, uh, the public square 281 00:14:13,150 --> 00:14:15,190 S7: for truth. And I, I loved what you were saying 282 00:14:15,190 --> 00:14:18,750 S7: a moment ago. If we don't show up as believers, 283 00:14:18,750 --> 00:14:22,150 S7: we're the ones we're the custodians of God's truth. Mhm. 284 00:14:22,630 --> 00:14:26,150 S7: And if we do not propagate that and proclaim it 285 00:14:26,150 --> 00:14:30,510 S7: and use his truth, I think it's A.W. Tozer who 286 00:14:30,510 --> 00:14:32,670 S7: said that we must be careful that the truth does 287 00:14:32,670 --> 00:14:37,170 S7: not die in the hands of its friends. And, um, 288 00:14:37,370 --> 00:14:41,090 S7: so yeah, God is blessing the sales of the book, 289 00:14:41,170 --> 00:14:44,650 S7: and that's nice, but it's the truth of the book. 290 00:14:44,690 --> 00:14:47,850 S7: It's so biblically based. People are going to get a 291 00:14:47,850 --> 00:14:52,170 S7: lot of Scripture references out of it. And it's, it's 292 00:14:52,170 --> 00:14:55,650 S7: your I know your heart and you know the battles. 293 00:14:55,690 --> 00:14:58,690 S7: And so together we are trying to get people to 294 00:14:58,730 --> 00:15:02,650 S7: please take God at his word. Pick it up and 295 00:15:02,650 --> 00:15:06,090 S7: use it and do it. And he's going to catapult 296 00:15:06,090 --> 00:15:08,930 S7: you into the culture because I believe he's really looking 297 00:15:08,930 --> 00:15:10,810 S7: for people to take a stand. 298 00:15:10,850 --> 00:15:13,810 S1: Let me go to the disclaimer because you said it's unique. 299 00:15:13,930 --> 00:15:16,530 S1: This really hasn't been something you've done before. The first 300 00:15:16,530 --> 00:15:19,170 S1: was recognizing that you've been serving the Lord in ministry 301 00:15:19,170 --> 00:15:21,890 S1: for half a century, and that you really and truly 302 00:15:21,890 --> 00:15:23,810 S1: are aware of the fact that what we desperately need 303 00:15:23,850 --> 00:15:27,370 S1: now more than ever before is sound doctrine, holding out 304 00:15:27,370 --> 00:15:30,850 S1: the world word of life and not adding to, not subtracting, 305 00:15:30,850 --> 00:15:33,230 S1: but knowing it know why we believe it and being 306 00:15:33,230 --> 00:15:35,230 S1: able to apply it to the world around us. That's 307 00:15:35,230 --> 00:15:38,270 S1: our first challenge, Jack, because again, hearkening back to our 308 00:15:38,270 --> 00:15:41,710 S1: mutual friend George Barna, we're biblically illiterate. These are Christians. 309 00:15:41,710 --> 00:15:44,110 S1: These are people who've made a profession of faith in Christ. 310 00:15:44,110 --> 00:15:46,110 S1: If you don't know what the word says, how can 311 00:15:46,110 --> 00:15:49,910 S1: you be bold about anything? To go to our brother Jeremiah? 312 00:15:50,230 --> 00:15:52,870 S1: His word puts fire in our bones. It's easy to 313 00:15:52,870 --> 00:15:54,870 S1: be bold when you have fire in your bones. If 314 00:15:54,870 --> 00:15:57,270 S1: you don't know what's in the word. You're very you're 315 00:15:57,270 --> 00:15:58,910 S1: lucky if you got a spark anywhere. 316 00:15:59,230 --> 00:16:02,710 S7: MM. So well said. Wow. You know, Jeremiah also said 317 00:16:02,710 --> 00:16:05,110 S7: the harvest is past, the summer is ended, and we're 318 00:16:05,110 --> 00:16:08,510 S7: not saved. Yeah. Wow. And you gotta you gotta ask 319 00:16:08,510 --> 00:16:12,190 S7: yourself this question. And and so a lot of people 320 00:16:12,190 --> 00:16:15,550 S7: say they're Christians, but then you ask them, what, what 321 00:16:15,550 --> 00:16:17,910 S7: is it to what does it mean to be a Christian? 322 00:16:18,110 --> 00:16:21,950 S7: They they stammer, they stumble. And you ask them a 323 00:16:21,950 --> 00:16:26,350 S7: fundamental question. And that is, well, how does God. How 324 00:16:26,350 --> 00:16:30,560 S7: does God forgive sins? They don't know the answer to that. 325 00:16:30,560 --> 00:16:34,720 S7: When you ask them, on what basis are you justified 326 00:16:35,400 --> 00:16:38,240 S7: before God? They don't know the answer. So why is 327 00:16:38,240 --> 00:16:41,400 S7: that the case in Barna? Of course, is spot on. 328 00:16:41,680 --> 00:16:46,160 S7: And that is there's Paul, there's there's pulpits being manned 329 00:16:46,160 --> 00:16:53,280 S7: by people who are not teaching the congregation these fundamental 330 00:16:53,880 --> 00:16:59,040 S7: doctrinal truths. And first century knew it. 21st century. We 331 00:16:59,080 --> 00:17:01,560 S7: don't know it, but it's not for a lack of information. 332 00:17:01,560 --> 00:17:03,479 S7: It's the lack of being discipled. 333 00:17:03,960 --> 00:17:06,800 S1: 100% right spot on. When we come back, I do 334 00:17:06,800 --> 00:17:09,000 S1: want to allude to the second reason why you put 335 00:17:09,000 --> 00:17:11,280 S1: the disclaimer in, because I think that really sets the 336 00:17:11,280 --> 00:17:14,600 S1: stage also for this excellent book called To Take a 337 00:17:14,600 --> 00:17:18,359 S1: Bold Stand Resilient and Effective Faith for a Godless Nation. 338 00:17:18,359 --> 00:17:20,359 S1: That's where we are right now. And God has called 339 00:17:20,359 --> 00:17:22,880 S1: us in his sovereignty and in his mercy for such 340 00:17:22,920 --> 00:17:25,400 S1: a time as this. Back after this with Jack Hibbs. 341 00:17:31,940 --> 00:17:34,619 S1: I always enjoy spending time with pastor Jack Hibbs. He 342 00:17:34,660 --> 00:17:37,500 S1: is the senior and founding pastor of Calvary Chapel in 343 00:17:37,500 --> 00:17:40,780 S1: Chino Hills, California. That's southern part of California. He's the 344 00:17:40,780 --> 00:17:43,540 S1: founder and president of real life ministry and also a 345 00:17:43,540 --> 00:17:48,060 S1: nationally syndicated TV and radio host. His newest book, So Timely, 346 00:17:48,060 --> 00:17:51,860 S1: is called called to Take a Bold Stand Resilient and 347 00:17:51,859 --> 00:17:54,739 S1: Effective Faith for a Godless Nation. So I'm going to 348 00:17:54,740 --> 00:17:56,260 S1: get into the core of the book, but I want 349 00:17:56,300 --> 00:17:59,900 S1: to go to this disclaimer because I thought your astute observation, culturally, 350 00:18:00,220 --> 00:18:03,020 S1: it serves as a wake up call. I think God's 351 00:18:03,020 --> 00:18:05,060 S1: been trying to get our attention that we are living 352 00:18:05,060 --> 00:18:07,859 S1: in a day and age where really, it's the sheep 353 00:18:07,859 --> 00:18:10,300 S1: from the goats, and it's going to be the men 354 00:18:10,300 --> 00:18:11,979 S1: and women of God, those who are going to be 355 00:18:11,980 --> 00:18:14,580 S1: the remnant who are found faithful, those who step back 356 00:18:14,580 --> 00:18:17,260 S1: and desire more to be loved by the culture than 357 00:18:17,260 --> 00:18:19,500 S1: to serve the God who gave his life for us. 358 00:18:19,820 --> 00:18:22,659 S1: So you had it particularly, and the world was watching 359 00:18:22,660 --> 00:18:25,180 S1: you talk about your uniqueness in California, Jack. And it's 360 00:18:25,180 --> 00:18:28,520 S1: so true. So when the government of California started to 361 00:18:28,560 --> 00:18:32,719 S1: bear down on churches, when it came to restrictions regarding Covid, 362 00:18:33,119 --> 00:18:34,840 S1: that was a wake up call. Talk to me about 363 00:18:34,840 --> 00:18:37,280 S1: this and why that was the second catalyst for you 364 00:18:37,280 --> 00:18:38,240 S1: to write this book. 365 00:18:38,280 --> 00:18:41,960 S7: Yeah, absolutely. It became very clear, like all of us, Jen, 366 00:18:42,000 --> 00:18:45,360 S7: the the news went out from, from, you know, the, 367 00:18:45,400 --> 00:18:48,240 S7: you know, World Health Organization or from the CDC, from 368 00:18:48,240 --> 00:18:51,080 S7: President Trump himself. You know, we saw images of people 369 00:18:51,080 --> 00:18:53,920 S7: in China that we were all going to die. I mean, 370 00:18:53,960 --> 00:18:57,320 S7: we were thinking that's, you know, Covid, we're just going 371 00:18:57,320 --> 00:19:01,840 S7: to drop dead. And we had the 15 days of 372 00:19:01,840 --> 00:19:05,439 S7: lockdown or whatever it's called. And then when Trump came 373 00:19:05,440 --> 00:19:08,360 S7: after the 15 days and said, uh, we need another 374 00:19:08,359 --> 00:19:13,120 S7: 15 days to flatten the curve, we listened immediately to 375 00:19:13,160 --> 00:19:16,399 S7: the experts begin to debate that. And I got to 376 00:19:16,400 --> 00:19:20,600 S7: tell you, the moment I saw the experts disagreeing, I 377 00:19:20,600 --> 00:19:23,360 S7: knew some. I just knew that something was up. I 378 00:19:23,359 --> 00:19:26,369 S7: just sensed that. And in my. The very next day, 379 00:19:26,850 --> 00:19:30,250 S7: my private time with the Lord. It was so wonderful 380 00:19:30,290 --> 00:19:33,570 S7: because I was reading in Chronicles of all places, and 381 00:19:33,570 --> 00:19:36,330 S7: I just sensed Janet in my heart. I sensed the 382 00:19:36,330 --> 00:19:41,129 S7: Lord saying to me, um, go to the church at Philadelphia, 383 00:19:41,170 --> 00:19:43,530 S7: go to the church at Philadelphia, and I turn to 384 00:19:43,530 --> 00:19:46,929 S7: the book of revelation. And you read there and he says, behold, 385 00:19:46,930 --> 00:19:49,050 S7: I set before you an open door that no man 386 00:19:49,050 --> 00:19:52,970 S7: can shut. Mhm. And it hit me like I got 387 00:19:53,010 --> 00:19:57,010 S7: hit in the head. And I knew immediately what was 388 00:19:57,050 --> 00:19:59,210 S7: what was to be done. And I sensed in my 389 00:19:59,210 --> 00:20:02,330 S7: heart that the Lord had spoken to me. Jack, you 390 00:20:02,330 --> 00:20:05,129 S7: do not have the authority, nor no man has the 391 00:20:05,130 --> 00:20:09,930 S7: authority to shut the doors of my church. And we 392 00:20:09,930 --> 00:20:13,369 S7: opened up the doors. We took all the flak, as 393 00:20:13,369 --> 00:20:17,650 S7: you can imagine. Gavin Newsom wrote letters. We were threatened 394 00:20:17,650 --> 00:20:23,230 S7: to be arrested. I actually literally schooled are our pastors 395 00:20:23,230 --> 00:20:25,550 S7: that if I got arrested at first service, then my 396 00:20:25,550 --> 00:20:29,190 S7: next pastor takes second service. If he gets arrested and 397 00:20:29,190 --> 00:20:31,830 S7: so on, we'll just keep going until we're. But we 398 00:20:31,830 --> 00:20:34,790 S7: were not going to shut the doors. And it turned 399 00:20:34,790 --> 00:20:37,950 S7: out that our county that we are in said, thank 400 00:20:37,950 --> 00:20:40,950 S7: you for having the doors of the church open up 401 00:20:41,630 --> 00:20:44,670 S7: from here on out. Any. Any inquiry by the State 402 00:20:44,670 --> 00:20:49,350 S7: of California. This county will stand with you and in 403 00:20:49,350 --> 00:20:53,950 S7: front of you. It was amazing. And so they did that. 404 00:20:53,950 --> 00:20:58,230 S7: Gavin Newsom never stopped threatening us. But what happened was 405 00:20:58,950 --> 00:21:01,550 S7: we wound up seeing so many people come to Christ. 406 00:21:01,550 --> 00:21:05,710 S7: We were seeing 15,000 adults come to church on a Sunday, 407 00:21:06,190 --> 00:21:10,949 S7: and on three Saturdays we baptized a thousand people per 408 00:21:10,950 --> 00:21:16,429 S7: Saturday for three Saturdays in a row because they they 409 00:21:16,710 --> 00:21:20,890 S7: were fearful. They ran to the church just as they should. 410 00:21:20,930 --> 00:21:24,409 S7: They heard the truth, and they were filled with confidence 411 00:21:24,410 --> 00:21:27,929 S7: and boldness that that God will take care of us. And, and, 412 00:21:27,930 --> 00:21:30,570 S7: and here was my big argument. I was not saying, 413 00:21:30,570 --> 00:21:33,649 S7: if you if you come to Jesus, you won't get sick. 414 00:21:33,970 --> 00:21:36,850 S7: I didn't I didn't say that. I wouldn't say that, 415 00:21:37,130 --> 00:21:40,250 S7: but I did say this. You you may get sick 416 00:21:40,250 --> 00:21:43,609 S7: with Covid or you might get hit by a truck. Uh, 417 00:21:43,609 --> 00:21:46,050 S7: you could put on your mask or get the vaccine, 418 00:21:46,050 --> 00:21:48,530 S7: but you could you could have a heart attack. You 419 00:21:48,530 --> 00:21:50,970 S7: could fall out of an airplane, for crying out loud. 420 00:21:51,010 --> 00:21:53,409 S7: Your roof could give in. The point is this. Forget 421 00:21:53,410 --> 00:21:57,649 S7: about Covid. Are you ready to meet Jesus Christ now? 422 00:21:57,850 --> 00:22:01,970 S7: Because your heart could stop today. And and God used 423 00:22:01,970 --> 00:22:06,370 S7: that simple, uh, urgency where Paul the apostle said, today 424 00:22:06,369 --> 00:22:09,490 S7: is the day of salvation. Now is the acceptable time. 425 00:22:09,890 --> 00:22:13,770 S7: So when we preach the clear gospel, people repented of 426 00:22:13,810 --> 00:22:18,010 S7: their sins, they came to Christ, and the Holy Spirit 427 00:22:18,100 --> 00:22:21,820 S7: was given the opportunity to comfort his people. That's what 428 00:22:21,820 --> 00:22:27,220 S7: he does. And so we just saw this epic turnaround 429 00:22:27,820 --> 00:22:29,860 S7: and it wound up we don't have the time to 430 00:22:29,859 --> 00:22:33,899 S7: tell you of the benefits that hundreds and hundreds of 431 00:22:33,900 --> 00:22:39,460 S7: unplanned home fellowships broke out across the nation and in 432 00:22:39,460 --> 00:22:43,860 S7: South America, down to Australia. People joined us online, and 433 00:22:43,859 --> 00:22:48,780 S7: they wound up hosting home groups that are now incredible 434 00:22:48,780 --> 00:22:53,220 S7: ministries in these communities, all out of Covid. So I 435 00:22:53,220 --> 00:22:57,020 S7: say that to say this, that if we take a stand, 436 00:22:57,780 --> 00:23:02,100 S7: just like fear can be contagious, we know. 437 00:23:02,420 --> 00:23:02,740 S1: That. 438 00:23:02,900 --> 00:23:07,820 S7: Courage can be contagious. When somebody sees someone else standing 439 00:23:07,820 --> 00:23:13,220 S7: against the tide and, and that God's got our back, 440 00:23:14,340 --> 00:23:18,760 S7: that that spreads. And and that's exactly what happened. And 441 00:23:18,760 --> 00:23:22,280 S7: so here we are. Remarkable. It's amazing here you and 442 00:23:22,280 --> 00:23:25,520 S7: I are talking today. And in the very same governor 443 00:23:26,080 --> 00:23:29,320 S7: that was literally calling me out by name against me. 444 00:23:30,680 --> 00:23:32,639 S7: You and I are on the phone today, and I'm 445 00:23:32,640 --> 00:23:35,399 S7: expecting the governor to call me back today, the very 446 00:23:35,400 --> 00:23:41,080 S7: same governor, because Gavin Newsom, his son is, is not 447 00:23:41,119 --> 00:23:45,520 S7: dealing well with the assassination of Charlie Kirk. Gavin Newsom's 448 00:23:45,520 --> 00:23:51,840 S7: son loved Charlie, and his home has been very, very mournful. 449 00:23:52,280 --> 00:23:55,280 S7: And I'm to get together with the governor by phone 450 00:23:55,280 --> 00:23:59,159 S7: and to pray with him and to pray with his son. 451 00:23:59,320 --> 00:24:00,440 S7: So God is good. 452 00:24:00,880 --> 00:24:04,000 S1: Yes. And thank you for being so open and transparent 453 00:24:04,000 --> 00:24:06,800 S1: about that, because you're talking to people all across the country, 454 00:24:06,800 --> 00:24:10,000 S1: the majority of whom I believe, believe in the power 455 00:24:10,000 --> 00:24:12,480 S1: of prayer. So pray that the Lord would anoint that 456 00:24:12,480 --> 00:24:16,140 S1: conversation that God would use Jack Hibbs in a powerful 457 00:24:16,140 --> 00:24:19,020 S1: way to bring comfort, and that that might be an 458 00:24:19,020 --> 00:24:22,980 S1: open door possibility. That, again, it wasn't Charlie's politics. It 459 00:24:22,980 --> 00:24:26,660 S1: was his savior that everyone found so attractive. And may 460 00:24:26,660 --> 00:24:29,020 S1: the Lord open that door so that the governor of 461 00:24:29,020 --> 00:24:32,340 S1: California might hear that good news. And old things would 462 00:24:32,340 --> 00:24:35,340 S1: pass away and all things would become new. Back with 463 00:24:35,340 --> 00:24:42,340 S1: Jack Hibbs right after this. Are you living with a 464 00:24:42,340 --> 00:24:45,300 S1: biblically based, passionate faith, or are you pulling back from 465 00:24:45,300 --> 00:24:47,859 S1: letting your light shine? That's why I've chosen Cole to 466 00:24:47,859 --> 00:24:50,220 S1: take a bold stand as this month's truth tool. Learn 467 00:24:50,220 --> 00:24:53,380 S1: how to influence the culture for Christ in a transformative way. 468 00:24:53,420 --> 00:24:55,380 S1: As for your copy of call to take a bold 469 00:24:55,380 --> 00:24:57,060 S1: stand when you give a gift of any amount to. 470 00:24:57,100 --> 00:25:01,900 S1: In the market, call 877. Janet 58. That's 877. Janet 58. 471 00:25:01,940 --> 00:25:06,940 S1: Or go to in the market with Janet. Oh. What 472 00:25:06,940 --> 00:25:09,420 S1: a timely book pastor Jack Hibbs is written. It's called 473 00:25:09,420 --> 00:25:13,399 S1: call to take a bold Stand resilient and effective faith 474 00:25:13,400 --> 00:25:16,119 S1: for a godless age. If you're just joining us, you 475 00:25:16,160 --> 00:25:17,880 S1: are going to want to have heard the first half 476 00:25:17,880 --> 00:25:20,320 S1: of this conversation, and you can do that real easily. 477 00:25:20,320 --> 00:25:22,960 S1: Just go to wherever you find your favorite podcast and 478 00:25:22,960 --> 00:25:26,280 S1: download in the market with Janet Parshall, put in today's date, 479 00:25:26,480 --> 00:25:28,800 S1: and pastor Jack Hibbs is our guest, who is the 480 00:25:28,800 --> 00:25:32,080 S1: senior and founding pastor of Calvary Chapel Chino Hills, based 481 00:25:32,080 --> 00:25:35,720 S1: in Southern California, the founder and president of real life ministry, 482 00:25:35,720 --> 00:25:38,480 S1: and a nationally syndicated TV and radio host and a 483 00:25:38,480 --> 00:25:42,439 S1: marvelous writer, as I noted earlier. So in this wonderful book, 484 00:25:42,480 --> 00:25:45,040 S1: you teach us that we have everything that we need 485 00:25:45,040 --> 00:25:47,720 S1: to be able to be bold. And so it's interesting, Jack, 486 00:25:47,720 --> 00:25:50,560 S1: because if you if you go through Scripture, we're told 487 00:25:50,560 --> 00:25:54,600 S1: definitively to stand. Ephesians 613 says, we put on all 488 00:25:54,600 --> 00:25:57,800 S1: the accoutrements of war, recognizing our battlefront as the world, 489 00:25:57,800 --> 00:26:00,280 S1: the flesh, and the devil. And we put on this 490 00:26:00,280 --> 00:26:02,920 S1: armor so that we can withstand in the evil day 491 00:26:02,920 --> 00:26:06,880 S1: and having done all to stand. So the directive is 492 00:26:06,880 --> 00:26:08,760 S1: there to be able to do just this. One of 493 00:26:08,760 --> 00:26:10,320 S1: the things you tell us that we have to do 494 00:26:10,320 --> 00:26:13,970 S1: is to be confident. I find this important, but I 495 00:26:13,970 --> 00:26:17,250 S1: also can see how it could be quickly misunderstood. What 496 00:26:17,250 --> 00:26:20,810 S1: is the difference from your vantage point of being confident 497 00:26:20,970 --> 00:26:24,609 S1: and being arrogant? In other words, where does our confidence 498 00:26:24,609 --> 00:26:26,970 S1: come from and how do we make sure it doesn't 499 00:26:26,970 --> 00:26:28,290 S1: devolve into pride? 500 00:26:29,090 --> 00:26:34,169 S7: Excellent question. So confidence comes from the belief or the 501 00:26:34,170 --> 00:26:37,850 S7: understanding that what you are either involved in or what 502 00:26:37,850 --> 00:26:41,770 S7: you are participating in, or perhaps what you are, um, 503 00:26:41,810 --> 00:26:44,570 S7: maybe even traveling in like an airplane, for example, through 504 00:26:44,570 --> 00:26:47,649 S7: the sky. You may be very confident about the laws 505 00:26:47,650 --> 00:26:50,570 S7: of aerodynamics, or you might be very confident about the 506 00:26:50,570 --> 00:26:52,930 S7: rules of the group that you're in or the team 507 00:26:52,930 --> 00:26:56,090 S7: that you're on. If we can have these things in a, 508 00:26:56,090 --> 00:27:01,290 S7: in a very earthly manner, observed and and known, then 509 00:27:01,290 --> 00:27:03,570 S7: when the Word of God tells us that we are 510 00:27:03,570 --> 00:27:07,890 S7: to be confident, uh, in this fact, be it your salvation. 511 00:27:08,210 --> 00:27:11,470 S7: God did not intend you and I to be insecure 512 00:27:11,470 --> 00:27:14,389 S7: about our salvation. He didn't intend for you and I 513 00:27:14,430 --> 00:27:18,869 S7: to be insecure about the power of God. Uh, joy. Peace. 514 00:27:18,910 --> 00:27:22,429 S7: On and on. The Lord speaks to us this way. 515 00:27:23,390 --> 00:27:27,750 S7: Arrogance is something where it's all based upon your self performance. 516 00:27:27,750 --> 00:27:30,270 S7: I'm going to do this. I'm going to do the other. 517 00:27:30,270 --> 00:27:33,750 S7: I can, I can, uh, work hard enough to pull 518 00:27:33,750 --> 00:27:36,790 S7: that off. And it just does nothing but feed the flesh. 519 00:27:37,270 --> 00:27:41,830 S7: When we're confident in the Lord, it causes us, as 520 00:27:41,830 --> 00:27:46,030 S7: John the Baptist put it, we decrease. He increases. The 521 00:27:46,030 --> 00:27:49,670 S7: more that he increases, the greater confidence we have, because 522 00:27:50,109 --> 00:27:53,189 S7: we don't flex our own spiritual muscles, so to speak, 523 00:27:53,190 --> 00:27:56,950 S7: and measure them, you know, by looking in the mirror. No, 524 00:27:57,190 --> 00:28:00,870 S7: our muscles are found in Christ. Our strength is found 525 00:28:00,869 --> 00:28:04,150 S7: in Christ. And I think one of the missing components, 526 00:28:04,150 --> 00:28:05,950 S7: I hate to put it that way because it's a person. 527 00:28:05,950 --> 00:28:09,490 S7: I'm not talking about a thing. The missing component is 528 00:28:09,490 --> 00:28:13,770 S7: the person, in my opinion, Janet. The. Of the Holy Spirit. 529 00:28:14,330 --> 00:28:18,210 S7: And and this is this is my opinion. I think 530 00:28:18,210 --> 00:28:23,250 S7: the reason why America sees such a powerless church in 531 00:28:23,250 --> 00:28:26,209 S7: this day and age is because we don't see a 532 00:28:26,210 --> 00:28:31,209 S7: church dependent upon God. We are confident in our ability 533 00:28:31,210 --> 00:28:35,690 S7: to put on a good Sunday show, to maybe do 534 00:28:35,690 --> 00:28:38,650 S7: something or say something that's going to draw the masses. 535 00:28:38,650 --> 00:28:41,610 S7: And I'm just I've been grateful to grow up under 536 00:28:41,610 --> 00:28:45,490 S7: a pastor, Chuck Smith, who never taught us to to 537 00:28:45,530 --> 00:28:49,770 S7: teach the Bible, to draw a crowd. He believed on 538 00:28:49,770 --> 00:28:54,530 S7: John chapter 15, tell the truth from the Word of God. 539 00:28:54,530 --> 00:29:00,170 S7: And Jesus, his sheep will hear His word and follow. Um, 540 00:29:00,210 --> 00:29:03,250 S7: follow him. Jesus, his sheep know his voice and the 541 00:29:03,250 --> 00:29:06,660 S7: voice of Jesus is the Bible. It's not. It's not 542 00:29:06,700 --> 00:29:09,420 S7: what we do. It's not the smoke screens or it's 543 00:29:09,420 --> 00:29:12,780 S7: not the, you know, the no. It's him. And so 544 00:29:12,820 --> 00:29:16,620 S7: I think the bottom line is that the Holy Spirit 545 00:29:16,820 --> 00:29:21,380 S7: is looking for a church or a Christian where the 546 00:29:21,380 --> 00:29:23,540 S7: Word of God is read, or the Word of God 547 00:29:23,540 --> 00:29:27,620 S7: is taught. And either you or the church, you are 548 00:29:27,740 --> 00:29:30,220 S7: delighted now that you have salvation, to move on to 549 00:29:30,260 --> 00:29:33,860 S7: greater things. Your salvation is secure now in Christ. Now 550 00:29:33,860 --> 00:29:38,340 S7: move on to discipleship. In Matthew chapter 28 verse 19, 551 00:29:38,340 --> 00:29:41,620 S7: he tells us to go into all the world. In fact, listen, 552 00:29:41,620 --> 00:29:44,700 S7: I'll be a little sarcastic this way. He didn't tell 553 00:29:44,740 --> 00:29:47,700 S7: us to go into all the world and evangelize the world. 554 00:29:47,900 --> 00:29:51,380 S7: We often think he said that he didn't say that. 555 00:29:51,380 --> 00:29:53,980 S7: He said, go into all the world and preach the gospel. 556 00:29:53,980 --> 00:30:00,500 S7: That's that is an evangelistic component and make disciples of 557 00:30:00,500 --> 00:30:03,840 S7: all nations. So what we need to do is be 558 00:30:03,840 --> 00:30:08,560 S7: confident in the Word of God. It's actually empowered by 559 00:30:08,560 --> 00:30:11,480 S7: the Holy Spirit because the Word of God is pure truth. 560 00:30:12,200 --> 00:30:15,680 S7: And when we stand on what his promises have told us, 561 00:30:15,960 --> 00:30:19,240 S7: when we stand upon what he has proclaimed that he 562 00:30:19,240 --> 00:30:22,080 S7: will do to a life that's yielded to him, or 563 00:30:22,120 --> 00:30:25,120 S7: a church that's yielded to him, there's no limit as 564 00:30:25,120 --> 00:30:28,440 S7: to what God would do. And I, I'm pretty sure 565 00:30:28,800 --> 00:30:32,520 S7: that when you see that in action, you and I, 566 00:30:33,440 --> 00:30:38,160 S7: we're either going to have personal revivals going on or 567 00:30:38,720 --> 00:30:41,400 S7: we're going to see it in our church. And if 568 00:30:41,400 --> 00:30:46,560 S7: the church is revived, then what follows a revival is 569 00:30:46,560 --> 00:30:50,040 S7: that the church becomes holy and pure and beautiful, so 570 00:30:50,040 --> 00:30:54,680 S7: that a lost world experiences the awakening. The awakening is 571 00:30:54,680 --> 00:30:58,880 S7: for the lost. Revival is for the church. But revival 572 00:30:58,880 --> 00:31:03,020 S7: always precedes an awakening. God is so good in his economy. 573 00:31:03,060 --> 00:31:05,459 S7: He gets a church healthy. He gets the body of 574 00:31:05,460 --> 00:31:11,500 S7: Christ ready, and then he announces that attractiveness through the 575 00:31:11,500 --> 00:31:15,620 S7: church where the lost say, that's that's what I want. 576 00:31:15,820 --> 00:31:17,660 S7: What must I do to be saved? 577 00:31:17,740 --> 00:31:18,180 S1: Yes. 578 00:31:18,420 --> 00:31:20,980 S7: When that happens, that's when we know that the church 579 00:31:20,980 --> 00:31:24,100 S7: has been revived. And I live for that. I long 580 00:31:24,100 --> 00:31:27,180 S7: for that. I pray with these recent events that we're 581 00:31:27,180 --> 00:31:31,140 S7: seeing because of Charlie Kirk, that let's see. Let's pray 582 00:31:31,500 --> 00:31:35,500 S7: that this last if it's of God, it's going to last. 583 00:31:37,820 --> 00:31:40,060 S1: I couldn't agree with you more. Let me ask a question. 584 00:31:40,060 --> 00:31:41,860 S1: I loved what you said. I wrote it down about 585 00:31:41,860 --> 00:31:45,900 S1: revival preceding and awakening before. There's a revival though, doesn't 586 00:31:45,940 --> 00:31:48,260 S1: there have to be repentance? And where's the church at 587 00:31:48,300 --> 00:31:51,500 S1: that point? And we can talk collectively church capital C, 588 00:31:51,660 --> 00:31:54,260 S1: or we can talk about our own personal lives. How 589 00:31:54,260 --> 00:31:56,900 S1: do we make sure that we have a short record 590 00:31:56,900 --> 00:31:59,140 S1: before the Lord? And we really I mean, I bet 591 00:31:59,140 --> 00:32:01,270 S1: there are people listening right now who go, I don't 592 00:32:01,270 --> 00:32:02,910 S1: want any sin in my life, but I'm not sure 593 00:32:02,910 --> 00:32:05,310 S1: I can even identify sin in my life. Where does 594 00:32:05,310 --> 00:32:07,550 S1: one begin the journey of repentance? 595 00:32:08,710 --> 00:32:14,310 S7: The the word. The word revival. Uh, there's, there's a 596 00:32:14,310 --> 00:32:16,790 S7: word that precedes it, and that's the word vive. If 597 00:32:16,790 --> 00:32:21,550 S7: you think about it, Vive is life, a vitality vivacious. 598 00:32:22,070 --> 00:32:25,550 S7: That's life. To revive is to come back to life again. 599 00:32:25,550 --> 00:32:29,670 S7: To have life again. And every believer knows that from 600 00:32:29,670 --> 00:32:32,230 S7: the moment they've accepted Christ to a day to day 601 00:32:32,270 --> 00:32:35,750 S7: walk with Christ until the Lord comes for us, is 602 00:32:35,750 --> 00:32:38,910 S7: a life of understanding that I need to repent of 603 00:32:38,910 --> 00:32:43,070 S7: my sins. There is no such thing as revival without repentance, 604 00:32:43,070 --> 00:32:46,590 S7: just like there's no such thing as salvation unless the 605 00:32:46,590 --> 00:32:49,750 S7: gospel is proclaimed. And a lot of churches today don't 606 00:32:49,750 --> 00:32:53,950 S7: know the gospel. The gospel is repent and believe on 607 00:32:53,950 --> 00:32:57,970 S7: the Lord Jesus Christ, and you shall be saved. Repentance 608 00:32:57,970 --> 00:33:03,770 S7: must precede not only salvation, but after a believer is saved. 609 00:33:04,010 --> 00:33:08,090 S7: Repentance of our sin. First John one nine keeps us 610 00:33:08,090 --> 00:33:11,250 S7: in fellowship with God. And I think it's the book 611 00:33:11,250 --> 00:33:15,090 S7: written many decades ago by Norman Grubb. That is the 612 00:33:15,090 --> 00:33:19,770 S7: book titled Continuous Revival. How can you and I enjoy 613 00:33:19,770 --> 00:33:23,890 S7: a continuous revival with the Lord Jesus? Walk with him 614 00:33:23,890 --> 00:33:27,810 S7: in the word. You'll be repentant of sin because you'll 615 00:33:27,810 --> 00:33:31,970 S7: love him. In fact, listen, I speak to a lot 616 00:33:31,970 --> 00:33:37,850 S7: of men. And today, men's battle is pornography. And I 617 00:33:37,850 --> 00:33:41,250 S7: tell them because they lament to me, oh, you know, 618 00:33:41,290 --> 00:33:44,090 S7: I love God, but. And I tell them, you don't 619 00:33:44,090 --> 00:33:46,770 S7: love God. Please don't say that again. And they get shocked. 620 00:33:46,810 --> 00:33:50,450 S7: You know, they're shocked. And I tell them, don't say 621 00:33:50,450 --> 00:33:53,210 S7: that you love God. Uh, you're a Christian, but you're 622 00:33:53,210 --> 00:33:56,150 S7: a pornographer. Don't don't don't don't say that again. You 623 00:33:56,150 --> 00:33:59,190 S7: love the pornography and got us somewhere on the list. Uh, 624 00:33:59,230 --> 00:34:03,350 S7: maybe at five or maybe seven, if you love him. 625 00:34:03,950 --> 00:34:07,910 S7: That transcends any rules or regulations. You can put up 626 00:34:07,910 --> 00:34:11,390 S7: the Ten Commandments, which are holy and pure. But what's 627 00:34:11,390 --> 00:34:13,669 S7: going to drive me to walk before the Lord in 628 00:34:13,670 --> 00:34:16,190 S7: revival is the fear of the Lord, which is the 629 00:34:16,190 --> 00:34:19,270 S7: beginning of that wisdom. And if a. If a man. 630 00:34:19,310 --> 00:34:22,630 S7: Just think, if the men of America today in the 631 00:34:22,630 --> 00:34:27,030 S7: Christian church decided to be men to draw close to God, 632 00:34:27,750 --> 00:34:30,069 S7: that they would. They would repent. They would. They would 633 00:34:30,070 --> 00:34:32,270 S7: throw their computers away. If that's what it's going to take. 634 00:34:32,270 --> 00:34:33,989 S7: They would throw their phones away if that's what it's 635 00:34:33,989 --> 00:34:35,629 S7: going to take, because they're going to decide to love 636 00:34:35,670 --> 00:34:40,710 S7: God more than their fleshly appetites. When that happens, now 637 00:34:40,710 --> 00:34:45,069 S7: we become men that God can use. And I have 638 00:34:45,070 --> 00:34:47,470 S7: never been able, in my own private life, to see 639 00:34:47,469 --> 00:34:50,750 S7: a separation between men that God uses or women that 640 00:34:50,750 --> 00:34:55,920 S7: God uses, and the state of revival. I mean, I 641 00:34:55,960 --> 00:34:58,399 S7: just I've never been able to separate it. You'll see 642 00:34:58,400 --> 00:35:02,839 S7: somebody who's revived God is using them. It's a beautiful, 643 00:35:02,880 --> 00:35:05,919 S7: beautiful cycle. And so what we want to do is 644 00:35:05,920 --> 00:35:09,880 S7: get so blessed and happy and glad to be walking 645 00:35:09,880 --> 00:35:12,480 S7: with Jesus every day that we sense his presence. We 646 00:35:12,480 --> 00:35:14,919 S7: know him that we don't want to do anything that's 647 00:35:14,920 --> 00:35:17,759 S7: going to sever that. And the moment we do, because 648 00:35:17,760 --> 00:35:21,160 S7: we're imperfect. The moment we do, we don't need someone 649 00:35:21,160 --> 00:35:24,600 S7: to point it out because we've heard the Lord say, Jack, 650 00:35:25,080 --> 00:35:28,160 S7: that was not the right attitude on the freeway that 651 00:35:28,160 --> 00:35:31,880 S7: you had today, driving, you know, from Pasadena to talk 652 00:35:31,880 --> 00:35:36,279 S7: to Jan on the phone. I'm confessing everybody. I was 653 00:35:36,280 --> 00:35:41,279 S7: doing everything to keep our appointment. And, uh, there you go, everybody, 654 00:35:41,320 --> 00:35:42,800 S7: I got busted. 655 00:35:42,960 --> 00:35:46,160 S1: Full transparency for your condition, you say in the book, 656 00:35:46,200 --> 00:35:47,680 S1: and I'm going to ask the question because you can 657 00:35:47,680 --> 00:35:50,280 S1: hear the music coming up. You say our mission is 658 00:35:50,280 --> 00:35:54,819 S1: urgent because our lives pronounce judgment now I. This is 659 00:35:54,820 --> 00:35:57,180 S1: the part I think that's really the spinal column of 660 00:35:57,180 --> 00:36:00,860 S1: what you write about, because there's this, there's this tendency, 661 00:36:00,860 --> 00:36:02,859 S1: there's this propensity for every one of us to be 662 00:36:02,860 --> 00:36:05,380 S1: loved by the culture. You know, we're the good guys. 663 00:36:05,380 --> 00:36:07,779 S1: They'll know us because we're lovers, right? Isn't that what 664 00:36:07,780 --> 00:36:10,860 S1: we sing at church? And yet, if our very appearance, 665 00:36:10,860 --> 00:36:16,060 S1: if our ambassador for Christ position bespeaks judgment, you're not 666 00:36:16,060 --> 00:36:17,860 S1: going to be loved by everybody. So how do we 667 00:36:17,900 --> 00:36:20,420 S1: handle the. You're not going to be loved by everybody part. 668 00:36:20,660 --> 00:36:22,980 S1: Pastor Jack Hibbs is with us in a book, by 669 00:36:22,980 --> 00:36:25,100 S1: the way, that. In my classroom, you always hear you 670 00:36:25,140 --> 00:36:27,140 S1: say this, this would be required reading. It should be 671 00:36:27,140 --> 00:36:30,779 S1: in your library. Bold to stand. Called to take a 672 00:36:30,780 --> 00:36:34,140 S1: bold stand. Resilient and effective. Faith for godless age. Excellent 673 00:36:34,140 --> 00:36:36,740 S1: book on my website for more info back after this. 674 00:36:40,700 --> 00:36:44,220 S1: We are visiting with national best selling author pastor Jack Hibbs, 675 00:36:44,219 --> 00:36:46,140 S1: who's got a brand new book out called Call to 676 00:36:46,180 --> 00:36:49,940 S1: Take a Bold Stand Resilient and Effective Faith for a 677 00:36:50,040 --> 00:36:53,439 S1: godless age, and that's certainly where we find ourselves right now. So, Jack, 678 00:36:53,440 --> 00:36:55,360 S1: let me go back to the sentence. And by the way, friends, 679 00:36:55,360 --> 00:36:57,279 S1: you always hear me say this, there is so much 680 00:36:57,280 --> 00:37:00,200 S1: in this book that even with the gift of Jack's time, 681 00:37:00,400 --> 00:37:03,080 S1: I can't possibly cover. So my job is to simply 682 00:37:03,080 --> 00:37:05,640 S1: plant a few seeds, get you to start thinking and say, ooh, 683 00:37:06,000 --> 00:37:07,440 S1: I got to hear the rest of that. Well, you 684 00:37:07,440 --> 00:37:09,680 S1: can hear it by reading the book called To Take 685 00:37:09,680 --> 00:37:11,200 S1: a Bold Stance. So I've got it linked on my 686 00:37:11,200 --> 00:37:13,799 S1: information page. Click on through so you can read it. 687 00:37:13,800 --> 00:37:16,520 S1: This program is designed to do exactly what Jack is 688 00:37:16,520 --> 00:37:20,080 S1: talking about, getting us out there into the marketplace of ideas, 689 00:37:20,080 --> 00:37:23,080 S1: letting our light so shine before men that we are 690 00:37:23,080 --> 00:37:25,520 S1: really honoring and glorifying Christ in all that we do. 691 00:37:25,560 --> 00:37:28,919 S1: Unashamed of the Gospel of Jesus Christ and engaging with 692 00:37:28,920 --> 00:37:31,759 S1: the culture that's telling us in no uncertain terms, they 693 00:37:31,760 --> 00:37:33,640 S1: want to know who God is. They have in their 694 00:37:33,640 --> 00:37:36,760 S1: hearts a God shaped void, and only a personal relationship 695 00:37:36,760 --> 00:37:39,200 S1: with him can fill it. So what are we waiting for? 696 00:37:39,239 --> 00:37:40,759 S1: That happens to be the title, by the way, one 697 00:37:40,760 --> 00:37:42,560 S1: of the chapters of Jack's book. But I want to 698 00:37:42,560 --> 00:37:45,040 S1: go back to a statement you made. Because our mission 699 00:37:45,040 --> 00:37:47,680 S1: is urgent. Our mission is urgent, you say, because our 700 00:37:47,680 --> 00:37:50,770 S1: lives pronounce judgment. Now, this is the touchy feely part 701 00:37:50,770 --> 00:37:54,049 S1: where you've got some lukewarm churches out there that are 702 00:37:54,050 --> 00:37:57,569 S1: looking at plan B, and they're giving just a love doctrine, 703 00:37:57,570 --> 00:37:59,649 S1: and we're going to be seeker friendly, and we'll do 704 00:37:59,690 --> 00:38:02,690 S1: Little Mermaid versions of the gospel just to bring everybody in. 705 00:38:02,930 --> 00:38:05,210 S1: And in the meantime, holding out the word of life 706 00:38:05,210 --> 00:38:07,210 S1: is not something they want to do. Because sometimes if 707 00:38:07,250 --> 00:38:09,730 S1: you preach line upon line, precept upon precept, you're going 708 00:38:09,770 --> 00:38:13,090 S1: to end up, oops, stepping on somebody's politics or in reality, 709 00:38:13,130 --> 00:38:16,410 S1: somebody's politics really steps on a biblical truth. But I digress. 710 00:38:16,610 --> 00:38:18,930 S1: The point is, how do we handle this idea that 711 00:38:18,930 --> 00:38:21,529 S1: our very presence pronounces judgment? 712 00:38:22,370 --> 00:38:26,530 S7: Yes. Thank you. Are we willing, as believers, we profess 713 00:38:26,530 --> 00:38:30,089 S7: his name. We say that we are Christ followers. That 714 00:38:30,090 --> 00:38:34,650 S7: is the title of being a Christian. When we say 715 00:38:34,650 --> 00:38:36,729 S7: that we have to be willing to take the full 716 00:38:36,730 --> 00:38:40,290 S7: counsel of God. And so Jesus said in Luke chapter six, 717 00:38:40,330 --> 00:38:44,290 S7: verse 26, as an example, beware when all men speak 718 00:38:44,290 --> 00:38:48,910 S7: well of you. For so they spoke of the prophets, 719 00:38:48,910 --> 00:38:52,910 S7: the false prophets who were before you. That's terrifying. But 720 00:38:52,910 --> 00:38:55,590 S7: you actually mentioned a verse in your in your opening 721 00:38:55,630 --> 00:38:58,509 S7: of this particular segment. Let your let your light so 722 00:38:58,510 --> 00:39:03,069 S7: shine before men that when they interesting, when they see 723 00:39:03,070 --> 00:39:05,790 S7: your good works, they'll glorify your father which is in heaven. 724 00:39:05,950 --> 00:39:10,310 S7: We often don't take that into consideration. The generic term 725 00:39:10,310 --> 00:39:15,990 S7: men implies mankind. Let your light, Janet or Jack, so 726 00:39:15,989 --> 00:39:20,750 S7: shine before mankind that they. Mankind. When they see your 727 00:39:20,750 --> 00:39:23,029 S7: good works, they'll glorify your father in heaven. It's not 728 00:39:23,030 --> 00:39:26,710 S7: a reference to people applauding you and I for taking 729 00:39:26,710 --> 00:39:30,109 S7: a biblical worldview stand now. It's actually a verse in 730 00:39:30,110 --> 00:39:31,830 S7: the sermon on the Mount that refers to the Day 731 00:39:31,830 --> 00:39:34,750 S7: of Judgment that those who never believed or rejected what 732 00:39:34,750 --> 00:39:40,150 S7: we proclaimed as truth from Scripture, um, they will, they 733 00:39:40,150 --> 00:39:43,710 S7: will give God honor for the obedience that came out 734 00:39:43,710 --> 00:39:46,850 S7: of our lives. When we shine our light, it will 735 00:39:46,890 --> 00:39:49,089 S7: be an indictment against them in the end, but they 736 00:39:49,090 --> 00:39:53,049 S7: will have to confess that we were correct. So when 737 00:39:53,050 --> 00:39:57,690 S7: we live our lives as Christians, think about this. We 738 00:39:57,690 --> 00:40:01,450 S7: are a a beautiful fragrance to those who are being saved, 739 00:40:01,450 --> 00:40:04,890 S7: Paul wrote. But to those who are perishing, we are 740 00:40:04,890 --> 00:40:07,850 S7: the stench of death. Think about that for a moment, 741 00:40:08,290 --> 00:40:10,250 S7: and then I'm going to give you a final verse 742 00:40:10,290 --> 00:40:14,969 S7: or passage which answers this. This quotation, this chapter. You're 743 00:40:14,969 --> 00:40:18,490 S7: talking about a lot of people. When I read this, 744 00:40:18,489 --> 00:40:20,250 S7: they're going to be shocked that this is in the 745 00:40:20,250 --> 00:40:24,250 S7: New Testament. Second Corinthians ten four says, for the weapons 746 00:40:24,250 --> 00:40:27,609 S7: of our warfare are not carnal, but mighty in God 747 00:40:27,610 --> 00:40:31,170 S7: for pulling down strongholds. I think everybody knows that verse, 748 00:40:31,210 --> 00:40:34,410 S7: casting down arguments and every high thing that exalts itself 749 00:40:34,410 --> 00:40:37,250 S7: against the knowledge of God and bringing every thought into 750 00:40:37,250 --> 00:40:39,610 S7: captivity to the obedience of Christ. And a lot of 751 00:40:39,610 --> 00:40:42,450 S7: us stop reading at that point, Janet. But the next 752 00:40:42,450 --> 00:40:48,420 S7: verse says this. And being ready to punish all disobedience 753 00:40:48,420 --> 00:40:53,580 S7: when your obedience is fulfilled. Other translations say it this way. 754 00:40:53,820 --> 00:40:58,380 S7: When you obey Christ in this world by obeying Christ, 755 00:40:58,580 --> 00:41:04,739 S7: your obedience exposes the sin in this world. When we 756 00:41:04,739 --> 00:41:08,180 S7: choose to obey him because we love him, he's going 757 00:41:08,260 --> 00:41:10,940 S7: to make us the salt and light. He's going to 758 00:41:10,980 --> 00:41:14,859 S7: cause us to be able to answer people for the 759 00:41:14,860 --> 00:41:18,420 S7: hope that we have within us, with faith and with 760 00:41:18,420 --> 00:41:22,899 S7: respect and with a winsomeness. But all the while, we can't. 761 00:41:22,940 --> 00:41:24,980 S7: We've got to do it for our love for God. 762 00:41:24,980 --> 00:41:27,580 S7: Because if we're doing it to. To what? Get a 763 00:41:27,580 --> 00:41:32,459 S7: bigger church or have people think nice of us. Jesus says, 764 00:41:32,460 --> 00:41:35,939 S7: watch out for that because that's a snare. So it's 765 00:41:35,940 --> 00:41:38,820 S7: quite a sobering thing to realize that as I go around, 766 00:41:38,820 --> 00:41:40,859 S7: this is my goal in life. I want to be 767 00:41:41,000 --> 00:41:45,160 S7: the most loving person possible because Jesus Christ is and 768 00:41:45,160 --> 00:41:47,799 S7: was when he was on earth. And at the same time, 769 00:41:49,120 --> 00:41:50,960 S7: he taught us that we're going to be the most 770 00:41:50,960 --> 00:41:54,399 S7: hated people on earth because they hated him first. How 771 00:41:54,400 --> 00:41:57,640 S7: do we reconcile that? There's no other explanation in my 772 00:41:57,640 --> 00:42:01,480 S7: heart but to be obedient to him in an unbelieving, 773 00:42:01,480 --> 00:42:05,200 S7: Christ rejecting world who stays in that position. They're not 774 00:42:05,200 --> 00:42:08,399 S7: going to want anything that we have to say or 775 00:42:08,400 --> 00:42:11,040 S7: to invite them to. And it's a very sobering thing. 776 00:42:11,080 --> 00:42:15,640 S7: It's it's very serious. But our lives are living testimonies. 777 00:42:15,640 --> 00:42:17,640 S7: Somebody may never go to church or may never read 778 00:42:17,640 --> 00:42:20,600 S7: the Bible, but they know us. And what kind of 779 00:42:20,600 --> 00:42:23,440 S7: message are we sending them? Is it accurate? Is it true? 780 00:42:23,440 --> 00:42:27,880 S7: Are we loving without being some form of this new 781 00:42:27,880 --> 00:42:30,760 S7: age tolerance that we live in? If I love somebody, 782 00:42:30,760 --> 00:42:33,680 S7: I'm going to tell them, I love you and Jesus 783 00:42:33,719 --> 00:42:36,000 S7: has got a better life for you because the lifestyle 784 00:42:36,000 --> 00:42:39,299 S7: you're living is going to kill you and it is 785 00:42:39,300 --> 00:42:43,219 S7: sin if I tell them that I love them, if 786 00:42:43,219 --> 00:42:45,500 S7: I don't. I do not love them. 787 00:42:45,540 --> 00:42:48,980 S1: Yeah, Jack, the focus of the book is so much 788 00:42:48,980 --> 00:42:53,540 S1: really about us individually having this revival in our lives. 789 00:42:53,540 --> 00:42:56,819 S1: Because if you do, you become. It's that Peter and 790 00:42:56,820 --> 00:42:58,859 S1: John moment where they're basically told to sit down and 791 00:42:58,860 --> 00:43:01,500 S1: be quiet. You're rocking the boat. And they say in response, 792 00:43:01,739 --> 00:43:04,299 S1: we can't stop talking about that which we've seen and heard. 793 00:43:04,300 --> 00:43:06,860 S1: If we fall in love with Jesus by getting into 794 00:43:06,900 --> 00:43:09,740 S1: deeper into His Word. And these are love letters. So 795 00:43:09,739 --> 00:43:11,779 S1: we do know more about who the Savior is. If 796 00:43:11,780 --> 00:43:15,259 S1: we recognize the person of the indwelling power of the 797 00:43:15,260 --> 00:43:17,939 S1: Holy Spirit, we understand that he has given us all 798 00:43:17,940 --> 00:43:19,859 S1: that we need to put one foot in front of 799 00:43:19,860 --> 00:43:22,340 S1: the other. And if we walk in obedience, it isn't 800 00:43:22,340 --> 00:43:25,379 S1: out of fear and trembling. It is out of absolute love. 801 00:43:25,660 --> 00:43:28,420 S1: I mean, so yes, the culture is falling apart. The 802 00:43:28,420 --> 00:43:31,300 S1: culture is doing exactly what the culture does without Jesus Christ. 803 00:43:31,580 --> 00:43:35,540 S1: But you're telling us, basically it's about us. If we change, 804 00:43:35,580 --> 00:43:38,669 S1: we're going to be attractive enough to. Perhaps God might 805 00:43:38,670 --> 00:43:40,750 S1: use us to bring real revival in this country, but 806 00:43:40,750 --> 00:43:43,390 S1: that revival starts with me. You know, you're really going 807 00:43:43,390 --> 00:43:45,390 S1: back to George Whitefield, who would preach on the top 808 00:43:45,390 --> 00:43:47,390 S1: of a wagon, take out a piece of chalk from 809 00:43:47,390 --> 00:43:50,470 S1: his waistcoat, draw a circle around himself and say, Lord, 810 00:43:50,469 --> 00:43:53,310 S1: bring revival. But let it begin with me. That's what 811 00:43:53,310 --> 00:43:57,430 S1: this book is all about. Lord, let revival begin with me. 812 00:43:57,790 --> 00:43:59,190 S1: I love the way you write. I love the way 813 00:43:59,190 --> 00:44:01,509 S1: you teach Jack, and I'm so thankful for the gift 814 00:44:01,510 --> 00:44:03,550 S1: of your time to be able to talk us through this. 815 00:44:03,550 --> 00:44:05,150 S1: Let me tell my friends again the name of the 816 00:44:05,150 --> 00:44:07,029 S1: book so they'll get a copy and read it. You 817 00:44:07,030 --> 00:44:08,950 S1: see what's happening out there. We all have a sense 818 00:44:08,950 --> 00:44:12,149 S1: that Aslan is on the move. Something's happening. But what 819 00:44:12,150 --> 00:44:15,390 S1: are you doing to be attractive as an ambassador for Christ? 820 00:44:15,430 --> 00:44:18,430 S1: What are you doing in obedience to him? Some will 821 00:44:18,430 --> 00:44:20,750 S1: be drawn to that, some will reject it. But in 822 00:44:20,750 --> 00:44:23,870 S1: the meantime, you're honoring our most glorious and high king, 823 00:44:24,110 --> 00:44:27,550 S1: called to take a bold stand. Resilient and effective faith 824 00:44:27,550 --> 00:44:30,790 S1: for a godless nation. Fabulous new book by pastor Jack Hibbs. 825 00:44:30,830 --> 00:44:32,830 S1: Thank you, Jack, so much. Thanks, friends. We'll see you 826 00:44:32,830 --> 00:44:33,510 S1: next time.