1 00:00:00,360 --> 00:00:06,039 S1: Broadcasting from Chicago, across North America and beyond. It's Carl 2 00:00:06,040 --> 00:00:10,680 S1: and crew. Come as you are an experienced guide. Overcome 3 00:00:10,680 --> 00:00:15,440 S1: what seems impossible and live as you never imagined. Start 4 00:00:15,440 --> 00:00:16,880 S1: your morning with a laugh. 5 00:00:17,040 --> 00:00:21,720 S2: Practical from the Bible. Tips and tricks to kill. Not 6 00:00:21,720 --> 00:00:23,640 S2: tricks but tips and tricks. 7 00:00:25,680 --> 00:00:28,440 S3: Tips and tricks to kill. Tips and tricks. 8 00:00:28,480 --> 00:00:30,400 S1: Delivering the truth daily. 9 00:00:30,760 --> 00:00:33,280 S4: All of my attempts to, you know, prop myself up 10 00:00:33,280 --> 00:00:36,840 S4: with achievement in good works. Well, God wasn't impressed by that, 11 00:00:36,840 --> 00:00:38,239 S4: even if other people were. 12 00:00:38,600 --> 00:00:41,080 S2: The gospel changes everything. 13 00:00:41,560 --> 00:00:44,519 S5: Freedom in Christ. Man, it's like that backpack of cement 14 00:00:44,520 --> 00:00:46,440 S5: just falling to the ground. 15 00:00:46,600 --> 00:00:50,919 S1: Now from the call of Hope Studios, this is Carl 16 00:00:50,920 --> 00:00:54,680 S1: and Crew. So I wake up this morning. 17 00:00:54,680 --> 00:00:58,480 S6: With a little bit of a bug. Just a little something, 18 00:00:58,480 --> 00:01:00,700 S6: you know what I'm saying? When you got a little something. 19 00:01:00,900 --> 00:01:01,460 S4: Yeah. 20 00:01:01,500 --> 00:01:06,539 S6: And then I get this, uh. Memory. And I get 21 00:01:06,540 --> 00:01:08,780 S6: this from time to time when I have a little. Something. 22 00:01:09,180 --> 00:01:13,220 S6: And I don't have many sick days at all. Very many. 23 00:01:13,220 --> 00:01:18,539 S6: But nothing. Like my dad's standard. So I was thinking 24 00:01:18,540 --> 00:01:21,300 S6: about this, and I decided to text my big sister 25 00:01:21,780 --> 00:01:26,380 S6: early this morning, which is late at night in Brisbane, Australia. 26 00:01:26,700 --> 00:01:28,780 S6: So I texted her this one. You guys will get 27 00:01:28,780 --> 00:01:30,300 S6: a kick out of this. This is a story about 28 00:01:30,300 --> 00:01:33,020 S6: my dad. I said to the best cheer and to 29 00:01:33,020 --> 00:01:35,860 S6: the best of my recollection, dad took a half day 30 00:01:35,860 --> 00:01:39,420 S6: of sick leave in his whole career in education, like 31 00:01:39,420 --> 00:01:43,140 S6: 40 years. Guys, if you remember anything different, let me know. 32 00:01:43,140 --> 00:01:45,780 S6: But I do remember that he was sick one morning 33 00:01:45,780 --> 00:01:48,940 S6: and by noon he headed back in. I think that 34 00:01:48,940 --> 00:01:51,780 S6: was when he was a principal at Rabbit Creek Elementary. 35 00:01:51,820 --> 00:01:52,500 S2: That's crazy. 36 00:01:52,540 --> 00:01:54,540 S6: That's what he texted my big sis. She got back 37 00:01:54,540 --> 00:01:57,260 S6: to me and she said, that's my memory, too. And 38 00:01:57,260 --> 00:02:00,590 S6: later in life, after many a surgery. This is like 39 00:02:00,590 --> 00:02:04,230 S6: in his 80s and 90s when the docs said don't 40 00:02:04,230 --> 00:02:07,550 S6: start walking for 24 hours. He started in 12 or 41 00:02:07,590 --> 00:02:11,550 S6: maybe eight. What an amazing, what an amazing human. I 42 00:02:11,550 --> 00:02:15,790 S6: miss him so often. A crazy hard worker willing to 43 00:02:15,830 --> 00:02:19,870 S6: try anything and a man who truly knew Ginosko knowing. 44 00:02:19,910 --> 00:02:23,430 S6: There's my big sis using a little Greek there. The 45 00:02:23,430 --> 00:02:27,030 S6: grace of God that was my dad. So dad, in 46 00:02:27,030 --> 00:02:29,550 S6: the cloud of witnesses. I'm going to suck it up, buttercup. 47 00:02:29,550 --> 00:02:31,990 S6: And I'm going for it. Dad, we're going to go 48 00:02:31,990 --> 00:02:32,510 S6: for it. 49 00:02:32,550 --> 00:02:33,430 S7: There you go. 50 00:02:33,990 --> 00:02:37,070 S6: Is that is that cool? My dad took a half 51 00:02:37,110 --> 00:02:41,750 S6: day of sick leave in 40 years. I'm sorry, but 52 00:02:41,750 --> 00:02:43,870 S6: that's that's crazy. 53 00:02:43,950 --> 00:02:44,470 S7: That's wild. 54 00:02:44,669 --> 00:02:45,109 S2: Crazy. 55 00:02:45,150 --> 00:02:45,869 S3: It's crazy. 56 00:02:46,550 --> 00:02:50,350 S6: That is crazy. No, he didn't live that long. He 57 00:02:50,350 --> 00:02:52,750 S6: only went to 95, but. 58 00:02:52,750 --> 00:02:53,669 S2: Oh, yeah. No. 59 00:02:56,510 --> 00:02:59,929 S6: If it hadn't been for those crazy surgeries he had 60 00:02:59,930 --> 00:03:02,930 S6: down the stretch. He'd have been stroking strong into 100. 61 00:03:02,970 --> 00:03:04,810 S6: Welcome aboard, boom crew. It's good to have you here. 62 00:03:04,810 --> 00:03:07,889 S6: If you got a little bug coming on, we're going 63 00:03:07,930 --> 00:03:09,730 S6: to get through it. We're going to get through it. 64 00:03:09,770 --> 00:03:13,290 S6: It's just that time of year in Chicagoland. The weather, 65 00:03:13,650 --> 00:03:15,450 S6: it doesn't know what it wants to. 66 00:03:15,490 --> 00:03:15,730 S7: Do. 67 00:03:16,650 --> 00:03:19,370 S6: From 78 to 32. 68 00:03:19,490 --> 00:03:22,450 S7: Oh, I know, I know, it's ridiculous here in the city. 69 00:03:22,490 --> 00:03:25,570 S7: I mean, we just completely dropped. We're 38 degrees. We 70 00:03:25,610 --> 00:03:29,530 S7: were close to 70 yesterday morning. Come on. Yeah. 71 00:03:29,570 --> 00:03:31,690 S6: It's a it's a weird deal, man. 72 00:03:31,730 --> 00:03:33,290 S7: I want to swing back tomorrow again. 73 00:03:33,530 --> 00:03:35,970 S6: Yeah. It's going to it's going to swing back and forth. 74 00:03:35,970 --> 00:03:38,450 S6: My bride always tells me because I get fired up 75 00:03:38,450 --> 00:03:42,850 S6: about marches in Chicago. And she's like, bub, easy now 76 00:03:43,050 --> 00:03:44,930 S6: marches back and forth. 77 00:03:45,570 --> 00:03:46,050 S7: It's a. 78 00:03:46,090 --> 00:03:46,610 S3: Weird. 79 00:03:46,890 --> 00:03:47,130 S6: About. 80 00:03:47,130 --> 00:03:47,770 S7: That for sure. 81 00:03:47,850 --> 00:03:51,890 S2: Yesterday the high was like 72 and I was outside 82 00:03:51,890 --> 00:03:53,890 S2: playing with my daughter and we went outside like an 83 00:03:53,890 --> 00:03:57,230 S2: hour later and it had dropped 20 degrees and I 84 00:03:57,270 --> 00:03:59,670 S2: did not understand that. Did you guys feel that yesterday? 85 00:03:59,710 --> 00:04:01,310 S6: Oh yeah. Man, that's called a front. 86 00:04:01,350 --> 00:04:02,030 S3: What was that? 87 00:04:02,030 --> 00:04:02,790 S6: Comes through. 88 00:04:03,070 --> 00:04:03,830 S7: What was that? 89 00:04:04,630 --> 00:04:05,870 S6: What was that all about? 90 00:04:06,150 --> 00:04:06,790 S2: It's wrong. 91 00:04:06,830 --> 00:04:10,070 S4: And so it's like if you're not actively checking the weather, 92 00:04:10,230 --> 00:04:13,510 S4: you will definitely be caught off guard. Because if you 93 00:04:14,030 --> 00:04:17,110 S4: if you wake up in the morning and think, oh, well, yesterday. 94 00:04:17,110 --> 00:04:19,830 S4: And so I'm glad I checked the forecast quickly before 95 00:04:19,830 --> 00:04:23,710 S4: walking out the door this morning, because I wasn't armed 96 00:04:23,710 --> 00:04:27,190 S4: with my winter coat until I went, oh wow, the 97 00:04:27,190 --> 00:04:30,070 S4: feels like temperature is 23. Yeah, I better grab that 98 00:04:30,070 --> 00:04:31,229 S4: coat that I put away. 99 00:04:31,430 --> 00:04:34,430 S6: It's so funny, isn't it? And so I know there's 100 00:04:34,430 --> 00:04:37,909 S6: those of you in Miami that are looking at your forecast. 101 00:04:37,910 --> 00:04:40,630 S6: I get it. And you're going to have 80 degrees 102 00:04:40,630 --> 00:04:43,990 S6: on Sunday. I get and it's 80. I'm looking at 103 00:04:43,990 --> 00:04:47,150 S6: the app right now for you in Miami. All of 104 00:04:47,150 --> 00:04:54,870 S6: our listeners in Miami, you got 79, 79, 80, 80, 80, 80, 80, 77, 76, 75. 105 00:04:54,890 --> 00:04:56,450 S3: Geez, that's what's coming up. 106 00:04:56,490 --> 00:05:02,969 S6: So you're consistently unlike Chicago and we're not bitter. 107 00:05:03,010 --> 00:05:03,450 S4: Not at. 108 00:05:03,450 --> 00:05:04,330 S7: All. No, no. 109 00:05:04,370 --> 00:05:05,050 S4: Enjoy. 110 00:05:05,089 --> 00:05:05,849 S6: We're happy for. 111 00:05:05,850 --> 00:05:06,090 S3: You. 112 00:05:07,290 --> 00:05:07,890 S4: Enjoy. 113 00:05:08,690 --> 00:05:09,969 S7: Cleveland feels as though. 114 00:05:10,290 --> 00:05:11,210 S6: Cleveland's with. 115 00:05:11,210 --> 00:05:12,770 S3: Us. Michigan. 116 00:05:12,930 --> 00:05:13,610 S6: Yeah they're with. 117 00:05:13,610 --> 00:05:13,850 S3: Us. 118 00:05:13,890 --> 00:05:14,370 S4: Indy. 119 00:05:14,410 --> 00:05:14,850 S3: Oh yeah. 120 00:05:14,890 --> 00:05:15,570 S6: Indy is with. 121 00:05:15,570 --> 00:05:15,810 S3: Us. 122 00:05:15,850 --> 00:05:17,690 S4: Yeah, yeah. All you Midwesterners. 123 00:05:18,170 --> 00:05:21,490 S6: Tennessee. How's it looking down there for the weekend? Tennessee. 124 00:05:21,810 --> 00:05:22,570 S6: Come on. 125 00:05:23,290 --> 00:05:23,890 S7: Enjoy. 126 00:05:23,930 --> 00:05:27,370 S6: I love you guys. Boom crew, wherever you are today. 127 00:05:27,370 --> 00:05:30,010 S6: And we have people listening far and wide. And some are. 128 00:05:30,210 --> 00:05:33,690 S6: Some are shouting from Turks and Caicos going. It's beautiful 129 00:05:33,690 --> 00:05:34,770 S6: here this morning. 130 00:05:34,850 --> 00:05:38,049 S7: Oh, I'm sure the thought of it. 131 00:05:38,529 --> 00:05:40,770 S6: Oh man, we are in Holy Week and what a 132 00:05:40,770 --> 00:05:43,610 S6: week this has been and we aren't done. My goodness, 133 00:05:43,610 --> 00:05:46,010 S6: when you think of Holy Week, the one thing that 134 00:05:46,010 --> 00:05:51,010 S6: you can't pass over is the Passover. You just can't 135 00:05:51,010 --> 00:05:55,060 S6: pass it over. It's Passover time and there's a lot 136 00:05:55,060 --> 00:05:59,540 S6: of discussion about. In fact, tomorrow, just a little forecast here. 137 00:05:59,540 --> 00:06:02,020 S6: We're going to have a discussion from a pro on 138 00:06:02,020 --> 00:06:07,260 S6: Flavius Josephus, the first century historian. And there's been some 139 00:06:07,260 --> 00:06:12,460 S6: recent discoveries about his work, wars and antiquities. One paragraph 140 00:06:12,460 --> 00:06:16,020 S6: in particular, book 18 in antiquities. I know you probably 141 00:06:16,020 --> 00:06:17,900 S6: don't have one on your shelf there, but I do, 142 00:06:18,300 --> 00:06:22,180 S6: and it's an awesome little paragraph claiming the Deity of 143 00:06:22,180 --> 00:06:26,940 S6: Jesus by Flavius Josephus, and it's been discounted forever. Well, 144 00:06:26,940 --> 00:06:29,100 S6: we've got a guest coming in tomorrow who's going to 145 00:06:29,100 --> 00:06:32,740 S6: say hold the train? There's been some big research done 146 00:06:32,779 --> 00:06:36,659 S6: on this. There's some thrilling stuff breaking that we can 147 00:06:36,660 --> 00:06:38,339 S6: get our feet on that rock, right? 148 00:06:38,620 --> 00:06:39,979 S4: Oh, yeah. I'm looking forward to that. 149 00:06:40,020 --> 00:06:40,940 S6: Oh, really cool. 150 00:06:40,940 --> 00:06:44,380 S4: It's a unique a unique conversation for sure. 151 00:06:44,380 --> 00:06:48,140 S6: So don't pass over the Passover doctor. Michael Riedel coming 152 00:06:48,140 --> 00:06:51,659 S6: up straight ahead. This is Holy Week a week for 153 00:06:51,660 --> 00:06:55,359 S6: us to do a holy reset, a mulligan, a start 154 00:06:55,360 --> 00:06:58,480 S6: over on Sunday. Let's aim for it, guys. 155 00:06:59,000 --> 00:07:02,760 S1: He was running from God, but God's love brought him home. 156 00:07:03,000 --> 00:07:06,960 S1: Carl is in the crew. It's Carl and crew on 157 00:07:06,960 --> 00:07:07,919 S1: Moody Radio. 158 00:07:08,839 --> 00:07:11,760 S6: You know, it's amazing. Sometimes we head right into Good 159 00:07:11,760 --> 00:07:16,720 S6: Friday and then Resurrection Sunday, and we forget. One of 160 00:07:16,720 --> 00:07:19,640 S6: the most central elements of this whole thing is that 161 00:07:19,920 --> 00:07:25,040 S6: Jesus is the Passover lamb for the atonement of sins. 162 00:07:25,600 --> 00:07:31,120 S6: You can't detach the messiahship of Jesus from the Jewish 163 00:07:31,160 --> 00:07:35,200 S6: teachings of Passover and ultimately the Exodus with us right now. 164 00:07:35,400 --> 00:07:40,720 S6: Doctor Michael Riedel. Boy, we missed the original plotline here, Michael, 165 00:07:40,720 --> 00:07:41,440 S6: at times. 166 00:07:42,000 --> 00:07:45,360 S8: Well, you know, it's not just, uh, an accident. It's. 167 00:07:45,360 --> 00:07:50,160 S8: It was a deliberate decision made at the Council of Nicaea. Whoa. 168 00:07:50,200 --> 00:07:50,760 S8: Up until. 169 00:07:50,760 --> 00:07:52,080 S6: Up here. Is that right? 170 00:07:52,380 --> 00:07:55,180 S8: Yeah. I was in the Council of Nicaea that they 171 00:07:55,180 --> 00:07:58,580 S8: made the change. Up until then, the resurrection was always 172 00:07:58,580 --> 00:08:02,500 S8: celebrated as part of Passover. And so the death and 173 00:08:02,500 --> 00:08:06,140 S8: resurrection of Messiah was part of it. Uh, Constantine said, 174 00:08:06,140 --> 00:08:09,660 S8: I want to separate ourselves from the odious company of 175 00:08:09,660 --> 00:08:13,540 S8: the Jewish people. And so they changed the date of 176 00:08:13,540 --> 00:08:17,220 S8: the resurrection. So now it just so happens that we 177 00:08:17,740 --> 00:08:23,780 S8: we recognize the resurrection. We celebrate the resurrection on the 178 00:08:23,980 --> 00:08:27,180 S8: dates that, uh, was decided by the Council of Nicaea. 179 00:08:28,420 --> 00:08:30,700 S8: And occasionally they come out at the same time, like 180 00:08:30,700 --> 00:08:35,300 S8: this weekend. But generally speaking, it was a deliberate decision. 181 00:08:35,340 --> 00:08:35,660 S3: Wow. 182 00:08:35,940 --> 00:08:36,620 S8: Separate. 183 00:08:36,620 --> 00:08:40,460 S6: I didn't know Constantine pulled that. Oh my goodness. Okay. 184 00:08:40,500 --> 00:08:42,780 S6: In all the chat and we've done I've we've never 185 00:08:42,780 --> 00:08:47,940 S6: talked about the Council of Nicaea, Constantinian law. Oh my goodness. Uh, 186 00:08:47,940 --> 00:08:51,870 S6: professor emeritus Jewish studies here at Moody Bible Institute and 187 00:08:51,870 --> 00:08:55,190 S6: the host and Bible teacher of open line doctor Michael 188 00:08:55,190 --> 00:08:57,750 S6: Riedel is with us. I we got to stop here, 189 00:08:57,790 --> 00:09:00,030 S6: don't we? Ali, that's a big deal, isn't it? 190 00:09:00,070 --> 00:09:03,270 S4: Absolutely. Help us. I think first get a baseline because 191 00:09:03,270 --> 00:09:06,150 S4: we're using starting to use terms that maybe some people 192 00:09:06,150 --> 00:09:09,150 S4: are not familiar with. So can you from the most 193 00:09:09,429 --> 00:09:12,429 S4: basic understanding, what is Passover? 194 00:09:12,790 --> 00:09:18,430 S8: Passover is the celebration of the exodus from Egypt. Jewish 195 00:09:18,429 --> 00:09:21,350 S8: people have been celebrating it in obedience to the book 196 00:09:21,350 --> 00:09:27,790 S8: of Exodus since 1406 BC. That's when the the Exodus 197 00:09:27,790 --> 00:09:31,429 S8: took place. So for 3400 years, that's been part of 198 00:09:31,470 --> 00:09:33,670 S8: the of Jewish life. There have been times where Jewish 199 00:09:33,670 --> 00:09:37,590 S8: people obviously didn't, uh, keep it as faithfully, but that's 200 00:09:37,590 --> 00:09:42,670 S8: been the annual celebration and it celebrates that. Do you 201 00:09:42,670 --> 00:09:45,750 S8: remember the story? If you've read the Bible? Uh, let 202 00:09:45,750 --> 00:09:50,150 S8: my people go ten times. The the 10th plague was 203 00:09:50,290 --> 00:09:55,330 S8: the slaying of the firstborn, and then Israel left. They 204 00:09:55,370 --> 00:09:58,050 S8: said God told them if they put the blood on 205 00:09:58,050 --> 00:10:00,689 S8: the doorpost of their house of a Passover lamb, of 206 00:10:00,690 --> 00:10:06,370 S8: a pure, spotless lamb, God would over would pass over them. 207 00:10:06,610 --> 00:10:09,690 S8: And then we celebrate this every year that God delivered 208 00:10:09,690 --> 00:10:11,770 S8: the people through the Lamb. 209 00:10:12,130 --> 00:10:17,530 S6: How many people. The difference between Hosanna Palm Sunday as 210 00:10:17,530 --> 00:10:19,930 S6: we classically know it and those the handful of people 211 00:10:19,929 --> 00:10:24,089 S6: that were there following Jesus at the cross. I mean, 212 00:10:24,090 --> 00:10:27,010 S6: there was a reduced crowd. It wasn't it wasn't nearly 213 00:10:27,010 --> 00:10:32,290 S6: as enormous. On that entry into Jerusalem as Flavius Josephus 214 00:10:32,290 --> 00:10:35,250 S6: might have framed it, but there was still a scripture's clear. 215 00:10:35,250 --> 00:10:39,050 S6: There was a large group of people. Um, how much 216 00:10:39,050 --> 00:10:42,410 S6: of a cost would have been attached at that time 217 00:10:42,410 --> 00:10:47,090 S6: to claim Jesus as the atonement for sin that he 218 00:10:47,090 --> 00:10:49,750 S6: has come? What would that felt like in that culture, 219 00:10:49,750 --> 00:10:51,870 S6: we know that there was cost attached to it. All 220 00:10:51,870 --> 00:10:53,590 S6: you have to do is read your Bible. But what 221 00:10:53,590 --> 00:10:55,150 S6: would have take us there, Michael? 222 00:10:55,630 --> 00:10:58,230 S8: Well, of course, John nine, we have the the example 223 00:10:58,230 --> 00:11:01,910 S8: of the man born blind who is healed. And they 224 00:11:01,910 --> 00:11:04,550 S8: come to his parents and they were concerned about being 225 00:11:04,550 --> 00:11:07,630 S8: put out of the synagogue. So there was already pressure 226 00:11:07,630 --> 00:11:12,590 S8: from leadership that Jesus isn't the Messiah. Uh, and don't 227 00:11:12,590 --> 00:11:17,070 S8: don't follow him. But I do think that when you 228 00:11:17,070 --> 00:11:21,790 S8: look at early acts, a lot of us forget about, uh, how, 229 00:11:21,830 --> 00:11:26,270 S8: how many trusted the Lord, thousands, thousands. And then a 230 00:11:26,270 --> 00:11:29,150 S8: few days later more. And it talks about how many 231 00:11:29,670 --> 00:11:32,110 S8: believed in the book of acts. And, and so I 232 00:11:32,110 --> 00:11:34,230 S8: think that there were a lot of Jewish believers and 233 00:11:34,230 --> 00:11:38,390 S8: there were some, uh, pushback, there was some problems like that. 234 00:11:38,390 --> 00:11:42,670 S8: But you do realize, of course, that most the, the 235 00:11:42,710 --> 00:11:46,190 S8: Sanhedrin followed Gamaliel's advice. 236 00:11:46,390 --> 00:11:46,830 S3: Yeah. 237 00:11:47,190 --> 00:11:52,320 S8: You know, and said, let let this play out. Yeah. And, 238 00:11:52,320 --> 00:11:55,200 S8: and so I think that there was a significant movement 239 00:11:55,200 --> 00:11:58,080 S8: among Jewish people in the first century. 240 00:11:58,120 --> 00:11:58,440 S3: Yeah. 241 00:11:58,440 --> 00:12:01,040 S6: You know, if we look at pure percentages and you 242 00:12:01,040 --> 00:12:04,520 S6: look at the account in acts of a few thousand, 243 00:12:04,559 --> 00:12:07,680 S6: knowing that that's probably a head count of men, male 244 00:12:07,679 --> 00:12:11,680 S6: leaders of homes, the percentage of Jewish people that truly 245 00:12:11,679 --> 00:12:15,600 S6: did see Jesus as the Messiah, as the atonement, as 246 00:12:15,600 --> 00:12:19,760 S6: the Passover lamb. That's quite a good number, isn't it, Michael? 247 00:12:19,800 --> 00:12:22,400 S8: Oh, yeah. Yeah, it was a big deal. And it 248 00:12:22,400 --> 00:12:27,199 S8: was considered one of the major sects of the Jewish people. 249 00:12:27,240 --> 00:12:29,960 S8: A lot of people don't realize this in Judaism was 250 00:12:29,960 --> 00:12:34,760 S8: sectarian in the first century. You had Pharisaic Judaism, Sadducean Judaism, 251 00:12:34,760 --> 00:12:40,359 S8: Essene Judaism. You had, uh, zealot Judaism. At this time. 252 00:12:40,360 --> 00:12:43,280 S8: There were many, many sects. And it was only after 253 00:12:43,280 --> 00:12:46,760 S8: the destruction of the temple, the great revolt against Rome, 254 00:12:46,760 --> 00:12:51,939 S8: that failed, that it really consolidated into one kind of Judaism. 255 00:12:52,300 --> 00:12:57,140 S8: And every every sect seemed to lose their credibility except 256 00:12:57,140 --> 00:13:02,099 S8: for one. And that was pharisaic. And that became rabbinic Judaism, 257 00:13:02,260 --> 00:13:05,780 S8: which obviously didn't believe in Jesus. But up until A.D. 70, 258 00:13:05,820 --> 00:13:09,620 S8: there were many, many sects and and the Nazarenes, as 259 00:13:09,620 --> 00:13:13,020 S8: the Jewish followers of Jesus were called, was just one sect. 260 00:13:13,140 --> 00:13:15,980 S4: Doctor Michael Rudnick, our guest this morning. Coming up, let's 261 00:13:15,980 --> 00:13:20,860 S4: talk about how Passover connects to the future and how 262 00:13:20,900 --> 00:13:24,580 S4: should we celebrate it practically coming up here on Karlin crew. 263 00:13:26,059 --> 00:13:30,060 S1: Take your next step with Jesus today. You're listening to 264 00:13:30,100 --> 00:13:31,100 S1: Carl and crew. 265 00:13:32,100 --> 00:13:35,700 S4: Doctor Michael Riedel, our guest this morning, host of Open Line, 266 00:13:35,700 --> 00:13:38,100 S4: which you hear Saturday mornings right here on Moody Radio. 267 00:13:38,300 --> 00:13:39,260 S3: Open line. 268 00:13:39,300 --> 00:13:43,140 S4: We are talking about Passover. How does Passover connect us 269 00:13:43,140 --> 00:13:47,719 S4: to the future, doctor? Right. And what's the what are 270 00:13:47,720 --> 00:13:50,600 S4: common ways of of commemorating or celebrating it? 271 00:13:50,760 --> 00:13:53,240 S8: Well, I think it's really important to remember that Passover 272 00:13:53,240 --> 00:13:56,680 S8: is a celebration of the past, not before we even 273 00:13:56,679 --> 00:13:59,479 S8: think about the future. We have to remember the past. 274 00:13:59,679 --> 00:14:04,679 S8: I heard a really interesting rabbi speak about this, and 275 00:14:04,720 --> 00:14:07,319 S8: he started by talking about there's a story of a 276 00:14:07,320 --> 00:14:10,000 S8: man named Brady who. You remember that? 277 00:14:10,200 --> 00:14:11,440 S7: Oh, yes. Yes, yes. 278 00:14:11,440 --> 00:14:14,400 S4: Here's the story of a man named Brady. Got it. 279 00:14:14,800 --> 00:14:18,600 S8: And he talked about how every time that program opened 280 00:14:18,640 --> 00:14:20,720 S8: The Brady Bunch, it told the whole story. Same thing 281 00:14:20,720 --> 00:14:23,480 S8: with The Beverly Hillbillies. Come listen to a story about 282 00:14:23,480 --> 00:14:24,800 S8: a man named Jim Wright. 283 00:14:24,840 --> 00:14:26,320 S6: Okay. How do you connect this one? 284 00:14:26,360 --> 00:14:27,680 S3: I see where you're going. 285 00:14:27,920 --> 00:14:31,720 S8: Every time he told the origin story. And then what 286 00:14:31,760 --> 00:14:35,720 S8: God said is every year at this time. Retell your 287 00:14:35,720 --> 00:14:40,560 S8: origin story where you came from. And it's so important 288 00:14:40,600 --> 00:14:43,360 S8: never to forget the origin, because God is the one 289 00:14:43,360 --> 00:14:46,460 S8: that brought this about. And I thought that was a 290 00:14:46,460 --> 00:14:49,460 S8: really great insight. And it's so important because when we 291 00:14:49,500 --> 00:14:54,380 S8: celebrate the Lord's Supper, it comes right out of the Passover. 292 00:14:54,380 --> 00:14:56,820 S8: And what we are doing when we celebrate the Lord's 293 00:14:56,820 --> 00:15:01,260 S8: Supper is we're celebrating our origin story. It's not just some, oh, 294 00:15:01,300 --> 00:15:04,140 S8: that's just a memorial. It's not important. It is crucial. 295 00:15:04,180 --> 00:15:06,740 S8: It is vital, and it's why we need to do it. 296 00:15:06,780 --> 00:15:07,340 S3: Michael. 297 00:15:07,340 --> 00:15:13,020 S6: It's the exodus. It is the liberty from slavery to 298 00:15:13,300 --> 00:15:17,740 S6: bondage to sin, and death is conquered. I mean, sorry 299 00:15:17,740 --> 00:15:20,380 S6: for getting so animated here, but if we leave that out, 300 00:15:20,380 --> 00:15:22,619 S6: we've left out the punchline. Michael. 301 00:15:23,180 --> 00:15:26,620 S8: Yeah, I agree. Listen, my parents were both slaves. They, 302 00:15:26,620 --> 00:15:31,300 S8: they were in concentration camp. And May 8th, 1948, is 303 00:15:31,300 --> 00:15:34,780 S8: burned in my memory as the day of their liberation. 304 00:15:34,780 --> 00:15:37,500 S8: How is it? And we celebrated it. We remembered it 305 00:15:37,500 --> 00:15:42,300 S8: every year as I was growing up. May 8th, 1948. Uh, 306 00:15:42,580 --> 00:15:47,390 S8: now I'm sorry, 1945, May 8th, 1945. They were liberated. Uh, 307 00:15:47,790 --> 00:15:52,630 S8: so the point is, we remember our liberation. We remember 308 00:15:52,630 --> 00:15:56,070 S8: our redemption. And that's how I think it's so important. 309 00:15:56,070 --> 00:15:58,510 S8: Believers are like, well, why, why do we celebrate the 310 00:15:58,510 --> 00:16:01,590 S8: Lord's Supper? Why is it connected to Passover? It's because 311 00:16:01,590 --> 00:16:06,950 S8: of that great memorial. The nation remembered their redemption on Passover. 312 00:16:07,150 --> 00:16:13,070 S8: And then the Lord Jesus inaugurated this celebration to remind 313 00:16:13,070 --> 00:16:18,470 S8: us of our redemption, our liberation from sin and bondage. 314 00:16:18,510 --> 00:16:21,350 S8: It's it's just so crucial. And so it's it's more 315 00:16:21,350 --> 00:16:24,710 S8: of a memorial feast there. All the feasts obviously have 316 00:16:24,710 --> 00:16:28,630 S8: a prophetic significance, but this prophetic significance was pointing to 317 00:16:28,670 --> 00:16:31,550 S8: the death of the Messiah, the ones in the fall 318 00:16:31,550 --> 00:16:36,790 S8: feast point. Further, much more towards the return of the Messiah. 319 00:16:36,790 --> 00:16:40,030 S8: But this one, prophetically, was pointing to the coming of 320 00:16:40,030 --> 00:16:41,710 S8: the Messiah and His redemption. 321 00:16:42,310 --> 00:16:44,690 S6: How do we take back some ground here? Michael, what 322 00:16:44,690 --> 00:16:47,010 S6: do you recommend people do in this season? 323 00:16:47,490 --> 00:16:51,570 S8: One of the things that I've spent my life doing is, 324 00:16:52,970 --> 00:16:56,690 S8: is going to churches, and I did this at Moody 325 00:16:56,730 --> 00:16:59,210 S8: for many years. We'll be doing it on April 7th 326 00:16:59,250 --> 00:17:03,610 S8: again at Moody with the student body is celebrating a Messiah, 327 00:17:03,930 --> 00:17:08,010 S8: Messiah in the Passover celebration, a Seder, a messianic Seder 328 00:17:08,170 --> 00:17:12,410 S8: which not only celebrates deliverance from Egypt, but deliverance from 329 00:17:12,410 --> 00:17:15,050 S8: the bondage of sin. And I think it's really important. 330 00:17:15,050 --> 00:17:17,609 S8: Churches sometimes think, how important is it for us to 331 00:17:17,650 --> 00:17:20,650 S8: remember this? I think it's a real help to see 332 00:17:20,650 --> 00:17:24,650 S8: the connection between the Passover and our deliverance from sin. 333 00:17:24,850 --> 00:17:27,010 S8: It's that's what it was intended to do. That's why 334 00:17:27,010 --> 00:17:30,770 S8: Paul writes, Messiah, our Passover has been sacrificed for us 335 00:17:30,770 --> 00:17:33,930 S8: in First Corinthians five. We need to remember that. And 336 00:17:33,930 --> 00:17:36,090 S8: and that's what we should do. I think. 337 00:17:36,130 --> 00:17:38,290 S4: You know, it's so interesting that you talk about an 338 00:17:38,290 --> 00:17:41,369 S4: origin story and using those funny kind of TV examples, 339 00:17:41,369 --> 00:17:45,350 S4: but it's true. Everybody knew exactly what they were watching, 340 00:17:45,350 --> 00:17:50,109 S4: even if they caught episode 12 or 25, because it 341 00:17:50,109 --> 00:17:53,630 S4: was all rehashed very quickly in the beginning. You know, 342 00:17:53,670 --> 00:17:56,230 S4: should we, when we think about Holy Week and our 343 00:17:56,230 --> 00:17:58,830 S4: preparation in the, you know, many people have Holy Week 344 00:17:58,830 --> 00:18:02,510 S4: devotionals that they're reading through. Should we go back to Exodus? 345 00:18:02,750 --> 00:18:03,190 S3: Exodus? 346 00:18:03,230 --> 00:18:05,270 S4: Should we be rereading Exodus? 347 00:18:05,470 --> 00:18:09,670 S8: Absolutely, absolutely. Because Exodus is the background for the Last 348 00:18:09,670 --> 00:18:11,989 S8: Supper and the Last Supper is the background for the 349 00:18:11,990 --> 00:18:16,670 S8: establishment of the Lord's Table, the Lord's Supper. I mean, obviously, 350 00:18:16,670 --> 00:18:19,190 S8: it's crucial to go back to that. And by the way, 351 00:18:19,190 --> 00:18:22,270 S8: this is the most important aspect of it. What does 352 00:18:22,270 --> 00:18:25,550 S8: it say when we celebrate the Lord's Supper, we celebrate 353 00:18:25,550 --> 00:18:27,310 S8: the Lord's death until he comes. 354 00:18:27,350 --> 00:18:27,990 S3: Until he comes. 355 00:18:28,030 --> 00:18:31,149 S8: Obviously, it means that he's raised from the dead or 356 00:18:31,150 --> 00:18:34,790 S8: he wouldn't be returning. And so the resurrection, it's it's 357 00:18:34,790 --> 00:18:38,109 S8: what it's all about. We're looking for his return, and 358 00:18:38,109 --> 00:18:43,080 S8: that's the future. We celebrate the Lord's death. We remember. Remember, remember. 359 00:18:43,080 --> 00:18:46,720 S8: Because we're looking forward to his return. His return, his return. 360 00:18:47,160 --> 00:18:47,720 S6: Beautiful. 361 00:18:47,760 --> 00:18:48,119 S3: So. 362 00:18:48,440 --> 00:18:51,439 S6: Michael, in this day and age, and we've talked a 363 00:18:51,440 --> 00:18:53,360 S6: lot about this, and I'm not going to belabor it, 364 00:18:53,359 --> 00:18:58,400 S6: but when we've got people on every political spectrum that 365 00:18:58,400 --> 00:19:04,280 S6: is running away from Israel, not just politically, but spiritually, uh, this, 366 00:19:04,280 --> 00:19:06,400 S6: this is a time that we need to keep flying 367 00:19:06,440 --> 00:19:08,560 S6: this flag high. And as long as I have breath, 368 00:19:08,600 --> 00:19:10,520 S6: I'm going to keep dragging you in here early in 369 00:19:10,520 --> 00:19:12,240 S6: the morning to do that. We love you. 370 00:19:12,280 --> 00:19:14,080 S8: I'm glad to do it. Thank you for having me. 371 00:19:14,119 --> 00:19:17,040 S6: Yeah. Beautiful stuff. Guys. We've got a link for you 372 00:19:17,040 --> 00:19:19,480 S6: because some of you are wondering how should I even 373 00:19:19,480 --> 00:19:21,520 S6: think about Israel in these times? 374 00:19:21,560 --> 00:19:27,200 S4: Just text Israel to 800 555, 78, 98, text Israel 375 00:19:27,240 --> 00:19:30,080 S4: 800 555 7898. 376 00:19:30,119 --> 00:19:33,679 S6: Yeah, get that link guys, and get a devo going. 377 00:19:33,720 --> 00:19:37,920 S6: In Exodus, it will bring the resurrection to life. 378 00:19:38,960 --> 00:19:41,700 S1: Your shot of hope to help you through the day. 379 00:19:41,980 --> 00:19:45,060 S1: This is Carl and crew on Moody Radio. 380 00:19:45,859 --> 00:19:48,659 S6: Carl and crew. And we're going to get to the 381 00:19:48,660 --> 00:19:51,260 S6: voice of the martyrs a little bit later on, and 382 00:19:51,460 --> 00:19:53,859 S6: we're going to get connected with them. We're going to 383 00:19:53,900 --> 00:19:57,940 S6: hear really today what we need to know, especially in 384 00:19:57,940 --> 00:20:00,580 S6: this sobering week of Holy Week. Those that are taking 385 00:20:00,580 --> 00:20:04,939 S6: a stand for the resurrected Jesus. Looking forward to getting 386 00:20:04,940 --> 00:20:08,060 S6: caught up on that. You know, there's a statistic out there. 387 00:20:08,300 --> 00:20:14,700 S6: We cited this on our campuses Sunday and it's almost whoa, breathtaking. 388 00:20:14,700 --> 00:20:17,699 S6: When you think about it, 80% of people that are 389 00:20:17,740 --> 00:20:21,460 S6: non-churchgoers that if invited by an acquaintance or a friend, 390 00:20:21,740 --> 00:20:26,820 S6: somebody that they know at some level would join them 391 00:20:27,300 --> 00:20:30,100 S6: for Christmas or Easter, 80%. 392 00:20:30,140 --> 00:20:30,580 S4: Wow. 393 00:20:32,140 --> 00:20:35,060 S6: That is that strike anyone as a large number? 394 00:20:35,100 --> 00:20:36,979 S2: Yeah. Because when I'm thinking about it doesn't feel like 395 00:20:36,980 --> 00:20:39,320 S2: it's going to be 80% of people would say, okay, 396 00:20:39,720 --> 00:20:42,480 S2: feels like 0% when I'm thinking about it getting ready. 397 00:20:42,520 --> 00:20:44,040 S2: I'm like, no one's going to say yes to this. 398 00:20:44,040 --> 00:20:46,520 S2: Everyone's going to be creeped out by me asking. There's 399 00:20:46,520 --> 00:20:49,040 S2: gonna there's no, you know, it scares me, but to 400 00:20:49,080 --> 00:20:52,719 S2: know that 80% of people would say, yeah, I'll go. Yeah, 401 00:20:52,720 --> 00:20:53,919 S2: that's a big number. 402 00:20:53,920 --> 00:20:57,200 S6: So I've got a crazy question for you. Have you 403 00:20:57,200 --> 00:21:01,840 S6: invited anyone to go with you to an Easter service? 404 00:21:01,840 --> 00:21:05,639 S6: And how did that go? How about that for a question? 405 00:21:05,680 --> 00:21:09,680 S4: Oh, so in Easter's past Easter or Christmas or past or. 406 00:21:09,720 --> 00:21:10,640 S3: Yeah, past. 407 00:21:10,640 --> 00:21:14,000 S6: Or ideally present, but in past. How did that go? 408 00:21:14,600 --> 00:21:17,840 S6: They weren't they, they weren't just like somebody that was 409 00:21:17,840 --> 00:21:22,840 S6: checking your groceries at, you know, a grocery store, but 410 00:21:22,840 --> 00:21:25,479 S6: someone and maybe it is because you've got enough of 411 00:21:25,480 --> 00:21:28,320 S6: a relationship with them. I, I remember back in the day, 412 00:21:28,320 --> 00:21:30,320 S6: you'd go to a line, you got the same person 413 00:21:30,320 --> 00:21:31,240 S6: over and over again. 414 00:21:31,240 --> 00:21:31,680 S4: Really? 415 00:21:31,680 --> 00:21:31,960 S3: Yeah. 416 00:21:32,000 --> 00:21:35,480 S6: I've had that happen even recently where it's one woman 417 00:21:35,480 --> 00:21:39,290 S6: in particular where we shop from time to time, and we've. 418 00:21:39,570 --> 00:21:42,530 S6: It's amazing what kind of a relationship you can forge 419 00:21:42,530 --> 00:21:45,450 S6: with someone over. Just like five trips to the grocery 420 00:21:45,450 --> 00:21:47,490 S6: store when you're really chatting it up with them. 421 00:21:47,490 --> 00:21:50,690 S2: That's true. Well, especially if you're, if you're a conversationalist, 422 00:21:50,690 --> 00:21:52,970 S2: because they're gonna remember that most people just go, thank 423 00:21:52,970 --> 00:21:53,890 S2: you and then leave. 424 00:21:53,930 --> 00:21:55,649 S6: Oh, and I pitch crazy questions. 425 00:21:55,650 --> 00:21:56,290 S2: I'm sure you. 426 00:21:56,290 --> 00:21:56,490 S3: Do. 427 00:21:56,530 --> 00:21:59,290 S6: Just crazy questions. So it's fun to just break that 428 00:21:59,290 --> 00:22:01,770 S6: down a little bit. But if you've got a relationship 429 00:22:01,770 --> 00:22:06,490 S6: with someone and you invited them to a Easter service, 430 00:22:06,530 --> 00:22:10,330 S6: maybe this one, and whether they said yes or no, 431 00:22:10,330 --> 00:22:13,889 S6: how did that go? So if the stats are true, 432 00:22:13,930 --> 00:22:16,410 S6: we might be shocked by how many phone calls we 433 00:22:16,410 --> 00:22:19,650 S6: get here where it was like, hey, this is actually 434 00:22:20,010 --> 00:22:23,930 S6: a phenomenal opportunity that can't be missed here. So let's 435 00:22:23,930 --> 00:22:26,050 S6: just go. We're going to open it wide open 800 436 00:22:26,050 --> 00:22:30,570 S6: 555 7898 calls only on this one. You can text, 437 00:22:30,570 --> 00:22:36,369 S6: but we want to hear your voice. 800 555, 78, 98. 438 00:22:36,369 --> 00:22:43,150 S6: You took a risk. How did it go? 800 555 7898. 439 00:22:43,150 --> 00:22:43,869 S6: Give us a call. 440 00:22:44,430 --> 00:22:47,630 S1: Helping you take the next step in your walk with Jesus. 441 00:22:47,750 --> 00:22:51,910 S3: God longs for us today to seek him and ask 442 00:22:51,910 --> 00:22:54,110 S3: him to move in ways that we never could. 443 00:22:54,270 --> 00:22:56,150 S1: You're listening to Carl and Cru. 444 00:22:56,710 --> 00:23:01,670 S6: So 80% is the number of people that are not churchgoers, 445 00:23:01,670 --> 00:23:06,870 S6: that if invited by a friend or pretty close some 446 00:23:06,869 --> 00:23:10,750 S6: kind of a relationship there, they will come with you 447 00:23:11,109 --> 00:23:14,830 S6: to a Christmas or Easter service. Have you done this 448 00:23:14,830 --> 00:23:17,470 S6: or are you doing this? And what was the response? 449 00:23:17,670 --> 00:23:19,190 S6: Give us a call right now. Light them up. We're 450 00:23:19,190 --> 00:23:23,909 S6: going to go lightning round here 800 555 7898. 451 00:23:23,950 --> 00:23:26,550 S4: Let's go to Margaret calling in this morning from Illinois. Margaret, 452 00:23:26,590 --> 00:23:29,510 S4: tell us, have you invited someone to church for Easter 453 00:23:29,510 --> 00:23:30,429 S4: and how did that go? 454 00:23:31,750 --> 00:23:34,070 S9: Yes, I did. I have a group of ladies that 455 00:23:34,109 --> 00:23:37,010 S9: there's 12 of us when we go hiking pretty much 456 00:23:37,010 --> 00:23:42,129 S9: every Saturday, Sunday, and I go to sunrise service on 457 00:23:42,170 --> 00:23:46,090 S9: Easter Sunday at 7:00. So I invited them to come in. 458 00:23:46,090 --> 00:23:48,050 S9: Six of them said yes, so we're going to go 459 00:23:48,050 --> 00:23:48,650 S9: to Sunrise. 460 00:23:48,690 --> 00:23:49,210 S6: Service. 461 00:23:49,530 --> 00:23:51,930 S9: And then we're going to go hiking afterwards. 462 00:23:52,050 --> 00:23:52,890 S4: I love that. 463 00:23:53,170 --> 00:23:57,090 S6: Wow, way to go, Margaret. You're you're being you're being 464 00:23:57,130 --> 00:24:00,010 S6: a child of God, girl. You're doing it. Way to go. 465 00:24:00,050 --> 00:24:04,410 S6: Proud of you. Uh, that's called the boom crew right there, guys. 466 00:24:04,410 --> 00:24:06,410 S6: Six of the 12. Are you kidding me? 467 00:24:06,410 --> 00:24:10,290 S4: I love that and going hiking afterwards. So tapping into 468 00:24:10,290 --> 00:24:12,090 S4: the thing that they already do together. 469 00:24:12,090 --> 00:24:12,889 S6: So. Great. 470 00:24:12,930 --> 00:24:16,050 S4: Let's go to Lisa calling in this morning from Illinois. Lisa, 471 00:24:16,330 --> 00:24:19,050 S4: tell us, have you invited someone to Easter service? 472 00:24:20,650 --> 00:24:24,649 S10: Well, I invited them to Christmas service. Um, but they 473 00:24:24,690 --> 00:24:28,770 S10: have been at every Easter since and um, I'm a 474 00:24:28,770 --> 00:24:32,929 S10: preschool teacher and I had a little student and I 475 00:24:33,450 --> 00:24:37,990 S10: invited his grandma to church, and then he invited his 476 00:24:37,990 --> 00:24:42,790 S10: grandpa to come on Christmas Eve. And, um, he took 477 00:24:42,790 --> 00:24:45,310 S10: his grandma and grandpa right to the first front row. 478 00:24:45,869 --> 00:24:49,470 S10: The first time they. Were there and they all got saved. 479 00:24:49,470 --> 00:24:53,510 S10: The whole family is still serving God. The little boy 480 00:24:53,510 --> 00:24:57,790 S10: is now 14. He's our bass player in our worship team. Oh, 481 00:24:57,910 --> 00:25:00,950 S10: and his grandma. His grandpa is known as front Row 482 00:25:00,990 --> 00:25:03,190 S10: Phil from Rossville. 483 00:25:04,430 --> 00:25:08,750 S6: Okay, guys, this is outstanding. Lisa, were you nervous to 484 00:25:08,750 --> 00:25:11,470 S6: invite them or was this just the Holy Spirit just 485 00:25:11,470 --> 00:25:13,990 S6: prompted you and you're going, I gotta do this? 486 00:25:14,710 --> 00:25:18,630 S10: Well, I, I never done it before. And there was 487 00:25:18,630 --> 00:25:21,909 S10: something about the grandma and I stopped her in a 488 00:25:21,910 --> 00:25:24,909 S10: parking lot and of the school and asked her if 489 00:25:24,910 --> 00:25:27,189 S10: she happened to be a Christian or something because it 490 00:25:27,190 --> 00:25:33,190 S10: was so drawn to her. And um, so then we 491 00:25:33,240 --> 00:25:38,560 S10: talked and everything and she said she kind of asked me, well, 492 00:25:38,560 --> 00:25:40,920 S10: can I come to your church? And I'm like, sure. 493 00:25:41,920 --> 00:25:48,280 S10: And then the little boy, his name is Timothy. He, um, uh, 494 00:25:48,800 --> 00:25:53,000 S10: invited them to Christmas Eve service and they've been there 495 00:25:53,000 --> 00:25:53,760 S10: ever since. 496 00:25:54,480 --> 00:25:55,359 S6: That's one of the. 497 00:25:55,359 --> 00:25:58,119 S10: Coolest joy to watch him grow in the Lord and, 498 00:25:58,520 --> 00:26:00,520 S10: and be able to be his teacher and a Sunday 499 00:26:00,520 --> 00:26:03,120 S10: school teacher. And now he plays the bass. 500 00:26:03,440 --> 00:26:05,600 S6: How's front row Phil doing? Is he growing up in 501 00:26:05,600 --> 00:26:06,080 S6: the Lord? 502 00:26:06,800 --> 00:26:11,280 S10: Yes, he he sure has. He's now on the church 503 00:26:11,280 --> 00:26:13,800 S10: board and he's a very active member. 504 00:26:14,119 --> 00:26:14,560 S7: Wow. 505 00:26:15,160 --> 00:26:18,280 S6: Okay. That's one of the coolest stories I've ever heard. 506 00:26:19,080 --> 00:26:23,000 S2: That makes any fear and trepidation of asking people to 507 00:26:23,000 --> 00:26:27,120 S2: go to church. Not important, because that could happen. 508 00:26:27,160 --> 00:26:29,800 S6: Guys, the amount of people here I go again, back 509 00:26:29,800 --> 00:26:33,540 S6: to prevenient grace. The amount of people that God has 510 00:26:33,540 --> 00:26:38,300 S6: already primed the pump. You look at Lydia, you look 511 00:26:38,340 --> 00:26:41,419 S6: at Cornelius, you look at the thief on the cross, 512 00:26:41,420 --> 00:26:44,340 S6: all three. Either they set it or it was spoken 513 00:26:44,380 --> 00:26:46,700 S6: of them. They was it was spoken of them with 514 00:26:46,700 --> 00:26:54,140 S6: all three. They were God fearing people. Wow. Just think 515 00:26:54,140 --> 00:26:57,580 S6: about how many neighbors, friends, acquaintances, people that you go 516 00:26:57,619 --> 00:27:01,580 S6: hiking with, people that you watch, NASCAR with, people that 517 00:27:01,580 --> 00:27:05,540 S6: you fill in the blank guys, this is astounding stuff here, Ali. 518 00:27:05,700 --> 00:27:08,060 S4: You know, and I'm already thinking in my mind, okay, 519 00:27:08,100 --> 00:27:11,300 S4: who am I? Who do I need to invite to church? 520 00:27:11,340 --> 00:27:13,820 S4: And because I think it's something, it's so simple that 521 00:27:13,820 --> 00:27:17,020 S4: we can overlook it or feel like I'm sure they're 522 00:27:17,020 --> 00:27:20,100 S4: not interested in going. They haven't. Maybe they haven't shown 523 00:27:20,100 --> 00:27:23,379 S4: any interest in the past. But I think you're right. 524 00:27:23,380 --> 00:27:25,859 S4: There are many people who there's the Lord's already at 525 00:27:25,859 --> 00:27:29,780 S4: work in their hearts big time. He's already doing something, 526 00:27:29,780 --> 00:27:32,680 S4: and so why not throw it out there and give 527 00:27:32,680 --> 00:27:36,439 S4: them a safe place to land? If the Lord's already 528 00:27:36,440 --> 00:27:37,160 S4: been working. 529 00:27:38,520 --> 00:27:40,679 S6: You know what we're going to do right now? Ali, 530 00:27:40,720 --> 00:27:44,640 S6: would you pray that God would prompt every person listening 531 00:27:44,640 --> 00:27:47,080 S6: with who that person is or persons that they need 532 00:27:47,080 --> 00:27:47,880 S6: to invite? 533 00:27:48,280 --> 00:27:48,840 S4: Yeah. 534 00:27:48,880 --> 00:27:49,439 S6: Let's go. 535 00:27:49,840 --> 00:27:52,280 S4: Lord, I thank you that you are already, by your spirit, 536 00:27:52,280 --> 00:27:57,720 S4: bringing to mind specific people to for many, many people 537 00:27:57,720 --> 00:28:00,200 S4: listening right now. God, I pray that you would give 538 00:28:00,200 --> 00:28:02,800 S4: us the grace and the power to follow through with 539 00:28:02,800 --> 00:28:06,600 S4: this unction of your spirit, Lord, and that you would 540 00:28:06,640 --> 00:28:09,440 S4: that the right people would walk through those doors. Some 541 00:28:09,480 --> 00:28:12,399 S4: maybe for the first time, maybe some who've been away 542 00:28:12,400 --> 00:28:16,000 S4: for a while. God, let this be a great harvest 543 00:28:16,000 --> 00:28:20,280 S4: this Easter. Lord, this resurrection Sunday we celebrate as those 544 00:28:20,280 --> 00:28:24,240 S4: who are already in Christ. But Lord, bring awakening, bring revival. 545 00:28:24,280 --> 00:28:27,480 S4: Bring many more to you, Lord Jesus, and help us 546 00:28:27,480 --> 00:28:31,250 S4: to be to play our part, starting with an invite, Lord, 547 00:28:31,250 --> 00:28:32,890 S4: in Jesus name, Amen. 548 00:28:32,930 --> 00:28:38,090 S6: Amen. That's one of the coolest calls. 549 00:28:38,090 --> 00:28:38,690 S7: Yeah. 550 00:28:39,650 --> 00:28:40,050 S4: Wow. 551 00:28:41,490 --> 00:28:43,170 S6: Man, that'll fire you up. 552 00:28:43,970 --> 00:28:47,970 S1: Walking closer to Jesus every day. You're listening to Carl 553 00:28:47,970 --> 00:28:48,570 S1: and Cru. 554 00:28:49,290 --> 00:28:51,890 S6: Sobering. It's tough to hear it at times, but it's 555 00:28:51,890 --> 00:28:55,410 S6: good to hear the voices of our brothers and sisters 556 00:28:55,810 --> 00:28:59,090 S6: around the globe and what they're going through. The cost, 557 00:28:59,130 --> 00:29:03,170 S6: the price, taking up their cross and following Jesus. It's 558 00:29:03,170 --> 00:29:07,090 S6: not as easy as we might imagine. And for the 559 00:29:07,090 --> 00:29:10,850 S6: joy set before him, they're enduring a lot of pain 560 00:29:11,050 --> 00:29:14,330 S6: with us right now. Todd Nettleton. Todd, thank you for 561 00:29:14,330 --> 00:29:16,610 S6: being with us here today. Voice of the martyrs has 562 00:29:16,610 --> 00:29:19,050 S6: done a great work for how many years now? 563 00:29:19,810 --> 00:29:22,970 S11: Uh, we are coming up on 60 years. Uh, 20, 564 00:29:23,010 --> 00:29:25,690 S11: 27 will be our 60 year anniversary. 565 00:29:26,050 --> 00:29:28,370 S6: Okay. What are you hearing from around the globe? How 566 00:29:28,370 --> 00:29:29,790 S6: can we be praying, my man? 567 00:29:30,230 --> 00:29:33,350 S11: Well, this is an important week to pray, because Easter 568 00:29:33,350 --> 00:29:37,350 S11: is often a time when Christians are targeted and unfortunately, 569 00:29:37,350 --> 00:29:39,070 S11: we didn't have to wait for Easter this year. We 570 00:29:39,070 --> 00:29:42,470 S11: saw attacks over the weekend in northern Nigeria as well 571 00:29:42,470 --> 00:29:46,430 S11: as in Syria. Already, Christians in northern Iraq and Syria 572 00:29:46,430 --> 00:29:49,830 S11: have said they're going to abbreviate or be more quiet 573 00:29:49,830 --> 00:29:53,670 S11: in their Easter celebrations because of the threat. So just 574 00:29:53,670 --> 00:29:56,990 S11: really a strategic time to pray for Christians in places 575 00:29:56,990 --> 00:29:59,670 S11: where they're persecuted. Because, you know, if you if you 576 00:29:59,710 --> 00:30:02,510 S11: don't like the gospel, what better day to make a 577 00:30:02,510 --> 00:30:05,430 S11: statement about how much you don't like the gospel than 578 00:30:05,430 --> 00:30:08,070 S11: the day Christians are celebrating the resurrection of Christ. 579 00:30:08,110 --> 00:30:08,550 S7: Wow. 580 00:30:08,910 --> 00:30:12,270 S4: Todd Nettleton, vice president for messaging for voice of the 581 00:30:12,270 --> 00:30:15,030 S4: martyrs USA, host of The voice of the Martyrs Radio. 582 00:30:15,390 --> 00:30:19,190 S4: It's pretty telling that the day that represents I mean, 583 00:30:19,190 --> 00:30:22,150 S4: we think about the resurrection. All of the gospel hinges 584 00:30:22,150 --> 00:30:25,990 S4: on that. And those who oppose Christ know that as well. 585 00:30:26,270 --> 00:30:29,570 S4: If anything, it speaks to the power of the gospel 586 00:30:29,570 --> 00:30:33,410 S4: that the Easter message, Resurrection Sunday is in itself such 587 00:30:33,450 --> 00:30:34,130 S4: a threat. 588 00:30:34,450 --> 00:30:37,170 S11: It absolutely does. And if you you know, if you 589 00:30:37,210 --> 00:30:39,970 S11: kind of try to think from the terrorist perspective. So one, 590 00:30:39,970 --> 00:30:43,930 S11: you have more Christians gathered, so you have more potential targets, 591 00:30:43,930 --> 00:30:47,570 S11: you have more chance of creating fear through media coverage 592 00:30:47,570 --> 00:30:51,050 S11: because it is such a sacred day for Christians around 593 00:30:51,050 --> 00:30:53,890 S11: the world. And then you have that, that just that statement, 594 00:30:53,890 --> 00:30:56,770 S11: like you said, of, hey, they are celebrating the resurrection 595 00:30:56,770 --> 00:30:59,969 S11: of Christ. Um, if I don't like Christ, if I 596 00:30:59,970 --> 00:31:03,410 S11: don't like Christians, you know, what better day could I 597 00:31:03,450 --> 00:31:07,770 S11: sort of quote unquote, punish them for celebrating him? And so, 598 00:31:07,850 --> 00:31:10,370 S11: you know, we've seen in recent years, we've seen attacks 599 00:31:10,370 --> 00:31:15,370 S11: in Nigeria, in India, in Pakistan, 2019, three churches attacked 600 00:31:15,370 --> 00:31:18,370 S11: in Sri Lanka. So this is not just one place 601 00:31:18,370 --> 00:31:21,650 S11: this is happening. Easter is seen as a as a 602 00:31:21,650 --> 00:31:23,810 S11: day to attack Christians, unfortunately. 603 00:31:23,850 --> 00:31:28,780 S6: Yeah. You know, it's so interesting too, because I think 604 00:31:28,780 --> 00:31:34,260 S6: we have more rancor toward terrorists in stateside here then 605 00:31:34,260 --> 00:31:37,380 S6: even those that are under the threat of losing their 606 00:31:37,380 --> 00:31:41,020 S6: lives at their hands. And they have a better handle 607 00:31:41,020 --> 00:31:45,660 S6: on Ephesians six. Our battles not against flesh and blood 608 00:31:45,660 --> 00:31:49,460 S6: people are not the enemy. And it seems that those 609 00:31:49,460 --> 00:31:54,340 S6: under persecution have a better handle on the reality that 610 00:31:54,340 --> 00:31:57,940 S6: these people are really just being puppeteered by Satan and 611 00:31:57,940 --> 00:32:00,380 S6: demonic forces. What's your take on that? Todd? 612 00:32:00,820 --> 00:32:04,020 S11: I think that is so true. And I've, I've heard 613 00:32:04,020 --> 00:32:08,580 S11: persecuted Christians talk about their quote unquote enemies, but they say, hey, 614 00:32:08,620 --> 00:32:12,380 S11: those people are deceived. Hey, those people are trapped in 615 00:32:12,380 --> 00:32:16,020 S11: Islam that they can't get out. They're trapped in that mindset, 616 00:32:16,020 --> 00:32:19,420 S11: in that lifestyle. And so there is that ability, and 617 00:32:19,420 --> 00:32:23,780 S11: it is very much supernatural that God empowers them not 618 00:32:23,780 --> 00:32:27,600 S11: to hate their enemies, not to wish evil on those 619 00:32:27,600 --> 00:32:31,200 S11: who are attacking them, but really to have that supernatural, 620 00:32:31,200 --> 00:32:34,400 S11: Christ like love. And you know, that's what he called 621 00:32:34,400 --> 00:32:37,560 S11: us to do love those who persecute you. Um, that's 622 00:32:37,560 --> 00:32:40,280 S11: a really hard thing to do. The Holy Spirit has 623 00:32:40,280 --> 00:32:43,240 S11: to empower us to, to allow us to do that. 624 00:32:43,640 --> 00:32:46,000 S6: Okay. What are you hearing, Todd? What? What do we 625 00:32:46,000 --> 00:32:48,600 S6: need to know that we don't hear in the mainstream 626 00:32:48,600 --> 00:32:49,560 S6: media right now? 627 00:32:50,120 --> 00:32:52,800 S11: Well, I just got back from Southeast Asia and I 628 00:32:52,840 --> 00:32:56,640 S11: would couple stories that that really impacted me. We met 629 00:32:56,640 --> 00:32:59,120 S11: with a group of young people. They are in a 630 00:32:59,120 --> 00:33:02,000 S11: program where they have committed to share Christ with five 631 00:33:02,000 --> 00:33:06,160 S11: people every day. And, uh, I, you know, after hearing 632 00:33:06,160 --> 00:33:08,160 S11: that and they were kind of explaining it, they have 633 00:33:08,200 --> 00:33:10,840 S11: accountability on Sunday night. Hey, how did you do last week? 634 00:33:10,880 --> 00:33:13,600 S11: How many people did you talk to? They have training 635 00:33:13,640 --> 00:33:15,880 S11: to help them be more effective, but they are committed 636 00:33:15,880 --> 00:33:17,680 S11: five people every day. They're going to talk to you 637 00:33:17,680 --> 00:33:20,400 S11: about Jesus. And I looked at one of them and 638 00:33:20,400 --> 00:33:23,560 S11: these are 19, 20, 21 year old, what I would 639 00:33:23,560 --> 00:33:26,500 S11: say kids. And I said, so how, you know, how 640 00:33:26,500 --> 00:33:28,460 S11: long is this program? Is this like one year? Is 641 00:33:28,460 --> 00:33:31,060 S11: this two years? And she looked at me and said, 642 00:33:31,340 --> 00:33:35,460 S11: until we die. And I was like, oh, so, so 643 00:33:35,460 --> 00:33:38,580 S11: this is a lifestyle that you have committed to. They 644 00:33:38,620 --> 00:33:42,260 S11: are now leaving their home country. They're going to surrounding nations. 645 00:33:42,260 --> 00:33:44,900 S11: And actually, the three that we met had been detained 646 00:33:44,900 --> 00:33:48,220 S11: in one of those surrounding nations. They got interrogated for 647 00:33:48,220 --> 00:33:50,620 S11: two days at the Ministry of Religion. They got put 648 00:33:50,620 --> 00:33:52,700 S11: on a plane to go home. They actually thought they 649 00:33:52,700 --> 00:33:55,220 S11: were being taken to jail. Instead, they were taken to 650 00:33:55,220 --> 00:33:57,100 S11: the airport, put on a plane, and they said, you 651 00:33:57,100 --> 00:34:00,300 S11: cannot come back. For five years you've been blacklisted. And 652 00:34:00,300 --> 00:34:03,820 S11: these young ladies said, we are counting down the days 653 00:34:03,820 --> 00:34:06,300 S11: until our five years is up, because we're anxious to 654 00:34:06,340 --> 00:34:09,900 S11: go back and talk to people there about Jesus. Uh, 655 00:34:09,900 --> 00:34:13,700 S11: I was blown away and I was incredibly convicted by 656 00:34:13,700 --> 00:34:14,740 S11: their testimony. 657 00:34:15,060 --> 00:34:15,620 S7: Yeah. 658 00:34:15,660 --> 00:34:18,620 S4: Todd Nettleton with us right now, vice president for message 659 00:34:18,620 --> 00:34:21,700 S4: for voice of the martyrs. You know, I know that you, 660 00:34:21,700 --> 00:34:24,560 S4: along with other great ministries are kind of track what's 661 00:34:24,560 --> 00:34:28,240 S4: going on in terms of persecution around the world. Where 662 00:34:28,280 --> 00:34:32,759 S4: are you seeing persecution growing? That may be surprising. We 663 00:34:32,800 --> 00:34:36,000 S4: hear a lot about Nigeria, but what about some other 664 00:34:36,000 --> 00:34:40,280 S4: places where it's maybe not as, uh, reported on? 665 00:34:41,040 --> 00:34:42,839 S11: You know, I think one of the countries that that 666 00:34:42,840 --> 00:34:45,080 S11: always comes to mind when someone asks me that question 667 00:34:45,080 --> 00:34:49,560 S11: is Eritrea. Uh, right now there are several hundred Christians 668 00:34:49,560 --> 00:34:52,400 S11: in prison in Eritrea. Uh, some of them, there are 669 00:34:52,400 --> 00:34:54,480 S11: at least seven pastors that have been in prison more 670 00:34:54,480 --> 00:34:58,480 S11: than 20 years. Of all of those prisoners, none of 671 00:34:58,480 --> 00:35:02,160 S11: them has been even charged with a crime. Uh, they've 672 00:35:02,160 --> 00:35:03,920 S11: never had a trial. They never had a chance to 673 00:35:03,920 --> 00:35:06,480 S11: defend themselves. They just got arrested. They disappear into the 674 00:35:06,480 --> 00:35:09,439 S11: prison system. And like I say, seven of those pastors now, 675 00:35:09,480 --> 00:35:13,720 S11: 20 plus years in prison. And Eritrea is a country 676 00:35:13,719 --> 00:35:15,840 S11: for a lot of us. We we'd have to hunt 677 00:35:15,840 --> 00:35:18,279 S11: on a map to find it. Yeah, but it is 678 00:35:18,280 --> 00:35:20,600 S11: a place where there is so much suffering of our 679 00:35:20,600 --> 00:35:21,680 S11: brothers and sisters. 680 00:35:21,840 --> 00:35:25,810 S6: Yeah, it's in, the Horn of Africa and it's kind 681 00:35:25,810 --> 00:35:28,890 S6: of obscure. You're right about that. And remember, guys, I 682 00:35:28,890 --> 00:35:31,170 S6: was mentioning the story of this guy that was put 683 00:35:31,170 --> 00:35:35,170 S6: into a cargo van and allowed to swelter to death. 684 00:35:35,170 --> 00:35:38,370 S6: He they opened the door, let him have an opportunity 685 00:35:38,370 --> 00:35:41,969 S6: to renounce and recant his claim of being a Christ follower, 686 00:35:41,969 --> 00:35:45,569 S6: but he literally was baked to death. Todd in that 687 00:35:45,570 --> 00:35:49,930 S6: container van. And that's in that very country. It's. I 688 00:35:49,969 --> 00:35:54,610 S6: gotta tell you, man, I'm I'm so convicted, so inspired, 689 00:35:54,610 --> 00:35:57,930 S6: heartbroken for our brothers and sisters around the globe. How 690 00:35:57,930 --> 00:36:01,810 S6: do you I here's what's weird. I know the punchline here. 691 00:36:01,930 --> 00:36:05,009 S6: When people ask what. When you ask people, what can 692 00:36:05,010 --> 00:36:07,490 S6: we do? They always go back to prayer, don't they? 693 00:36:07,850 --> 00:36:10,370 S11: They always say, the first thing pray for us, pray 694 00:36:10,370 --> 00:36:12,609 S11: for us, pray for us. And you know, the the 695 00:36:12,610 --> 00:36:14,569 S11: thing that convicts me is it's not a prayer that 696 00:36:14,570 --> 00:36:17,729 S11: they won't be persecuted anymore. They're saying, hey, pray for 697 00:36:17,730 --> 00:36:20,930 S11: us that we can be faithful in the midst of persecution. 698 00:36:20,930 --> 00:36:23,870 S11: Pray for us, that we'll have opportunities to witness to 699 00:36:23,870 --> 00:36:27,390 S11: our persecutors or to our our guards at the prison. 700 00:36:27,510 --> 00:36:30,549 S11: That's their number one request. And and I'm, I'm like you, 701 00:36:30,550 --> 00:36:34,230 S11: I'm convicted by that. Um, that sense of joyfulness, I 702 00:36:34,230 --> 00:36:36,430 S11: think that's the number one thing I would share with 703 00:36:36,430 --> 00:36:38,390 S11: people when they ask me, so what's it like to 704 00:36:38,430 --> 00:36:43,390 S11: sit down with persecuted Christians? Overwhelmingly, they are joyful. They 705 00:36:43,430 --> 00:36:46,750 S11: are excited about what God is doing. And sure, there's 706 00:36:46,750 --> 00:36:49,430 S11: suffering and sure, there's some hardship along the way. But hey, 707 00:36:49,670 --> 00:36:51,830 S11: let me tell you about this person I led to Christ. 708 00:36:51,830 --> 00:36:54,310 S11: Let me tell you how my church is growing. There 709 00:36:54,310 --> 00:36:58,350 S11: is a sense of joyfulness that that I'm convicted and 710 00:36:58,350 --> 00:37:00,430 S11: inspired by every single time. 711 00:37:00,989 --> 00:37:04,029 S4: Todd Nettleton, voice of the martyrs. You know, when we 712 00:37:04,030 --> 00:37:07,350 S4: look at what's going on in this country, you know, 713 00:37:07,430 --> 00:37:12,670 S4: and the climate certainly has become more there's more opposition 714 00:37:12,670 --> 00:37:20,070 S4: to Christian worldview, to anything that God teaches to be. Right. Well, 715 00:37:20,190 --> 00:37:22,129 S4: what do you say? I mean, because, you know, we 716 00:37:22,170 --> 00:37:25,210 S4: all we want to look at things from a global context. 717 00:37:25,210 --> 00:37:28,129 S4: And it's easier in this in this country to start 718 00:37:28,130 --> 00:37:31,890 S4: to use words like persecution. What's your take on it? 719 00:37:31,930 --> 00:37:35,650 S4: Where there's opposition, which is different from persecution? Tell us 720 00:37:35,650 --> 00:37:36,290 S4: what you think. 721 00:37:36,690 --> 00:37:40,410 S11: Yeah, I think certainly the cultural winds are not blowing 722 00:37:40,450 --> 00:37:44,090 S11: in favour of biblical truth in the United States right now. 723 00:37:44,610 --> 00:37:47,689 S11: I don't know what is the future holds for us, 724 00:37:47,690 --> 00:37:50,930 S11: but I know we need to be ready to face persecution. 725 00:37:50,930 --> 00:37:55,049 S11: And certainly as a parent and now a grandparent, I 726 00:37:55,050 --> 00:37:58,050 S11: think about, okay, how do we get the next generations 727 00:37:58,050 --> 00:38:02,730 S11: ready to endure victoriously in the midst of persecution? And 728 00:38:02,730 --> 00:38:05,730 S11: I think there's two things. I think there is the Scripture, 729 00:38:05,930 --> 00:38:08,730 S11: the Scripture, the Scripture, the scripture. And then the second 730 00:38:08,730 --> 00:38:12,250 S11: thing is the stories of Christians who've already been persecuted 731 00:38:12,370 --> 00:38:15,450 S11: and came through it victoriously, came through it with their 732 00:38:15,450 --> 00:38:19,090 S11: faith intact, as we know those stories, as we're inspired 733 00:38:19,090 --> 00:38:22,060 S11: by those stories. And I think every time we hear one, 734 00:38:22,060 --> 00:38:24,540 S11: we ask the question, okay, hey, what would I do 735 00:38:24,820 --> 00:38:27,420 S11: in that situation? And I think we all know the 736 00:38:27,420 --> 00:38:29,620 S11: answer we want to say, right? Like, if I was 737 00:38:29,620 --> 00:38:33,100 S11: in prison, I would stand up and preach the gospel. But, 738 00:38:33,100 --> 00:38:34,620 S11: but we have to kind of go to the Lord 739 00:38:34,620 --> 00:38:36,180 S11: and say, Lord, I know what the right answer is. 740 00:38:36,180 --> 00:38:38,460 S11: I know what I want to say. Help me to 741 00:38:38,460 --> 00:38:40,580 S11: be strong enough to really say that. Help that to 742 00:38:40,620 --> 00:38:43,700 S11: be true in my life. When hardship comes that I 743 00:38:43,700 --> 00:38:46,259 S11: see it as a chance to share the gospel, that 744 00:38:46,260 --> 00:38:48,299 S11: I see it as a chance to reflect your love 745 00:38:48,300 --> 00:38:51,900 S11: on the people around me. So Scripture and the stories 746 00:38:51,900 --> 00:38:55,180 S11: of persecuted Christians. And then we're ready. If persecution starts tomorrow, 747 00:38:55,219 --> 00:38:58,020 S11: we're ready. If it doesn't start for 25 more years, 748 00:38:58,020 --> 00:39:01,540 S11: we're still ready because we have chosen to prepare ourselves. 749 00:39:01,860 --> 00:39:04,940 S6: And what's amazing, Todd, is we're not just ready, we're stronger. 750 00:39:05,420 --> 00:39:05,900 S11: Yep. 751 00:39:06,580 --> 00:39:09,220 S6: I mean, we're stronger. We're on the we're on the rock. 752 00:39:09,219 --> 00:39:13,580 S6: And whether that is persecution or just your garden variety 753 00:39:13,620 --> 00:39:17,620 S6: trial that is bone crushing, we can stand up. That's 754 00:39:17,620 --> 00:39:19,040 S6: the beauty of it, Todd. 755 00:39:19,560 --> 00:39:23,320 S11: It is. It makes us better followers of Christ, and 756 00:39:23,320 --> 00:39:27,040 S11: it grows the church. When. When people see in the 757 00:39:27,040 --> 00:39:29,760 S11: midst of hardship that you have a smile on your face, 758 00:39:29,760 --> 00:39:33,359 S11: that you are faithful, that you're not crushed by these things. 759 00:39:33,560 --> 00:39:36,120 S11: They want to know why. Like, like, hey, I saw 760 00:39:36,120 --> 00:39:38,359 S11: that you were in prison and you still smiled. Or 761 00:39:38,360 --> 00:39:41,960 S11: I saw that you got a terrible medical diagnosis and 762 00:39:41,960 --> 00:39:45,360 S11: you still smiled. How can you do that? Well, that's 763 00:39:45,360 --> 00:39:47,839 S11: that's our opportunity to say, well, let me tell you how. 764 00:39:47,840 --> 00:39:51,040 S11: It's not because of me. It's because of Christ in me. 765 00:39:51,280 --> 00:39:51,720 S7: Yeah. 766 00:39:51,760 --> 00:39:54,080 S4: Todd Nettleton from voice of the martyrs. If you want 767 00:39:54,080 --> 00:39:57,359 S4: more on this great ministry, just text voice to 800 768 00:39:57,400 --> 00:40:04,400 S4: 555 7898. Text voice to (800) 555-7898. 769 00:40:04,640 --> 00:40:05,640 S6: It's sobering. Ali. 770 00:40:05,680 --> 00:40:06,560 S4: Very much so. 771 00:40:07,560 --> 00:40:11,320 S6: Text voice to 800 555 7898. 772 00:40:11,840 --> 00:40:14,760 S1: Celebrating the unstoppable gospel. 773 00:40:14,880 --> 00:40:17,320 S2: It's not that I've got to fill in these check boxes. 774 00:40:17,340 --> 00:40:19,339 S2: So he's okay with me, but it's that I get 775 00:40:19,340 --> 00:40:22,219 S2: to stand close to him so that I can experience 776 00:40:22,219 --> 00:40:23,940 S2: the life that he has for me. 777 00:40:24,180 --> 00:40:26,100 S1: You're listening to Carl and Crew. 778 00:40:26,620 --> 00:40:30,460 S6: We are in the middle of it. Some say a 779 00:40:30,460 --> 00:40:33,180 S6: day of silence, but we got a man who says 780 00:40:33,180 --> 00:40:38,700 S6: God is never silent. Jim Coakley, Doctor Jim Coakley, my friend, colleague, 781 00:40:38,900 --> 00:40:42,740 S6: fellow elder at a church and more than anything, brother 782 00:40:42,739 --> 00:40:45,339 S6: in Jesus Christ, walk in this path less traveled. How 783 00:40:45,380 --> 00:40:46,500 S6: are you doing this morning, my man? 784 00:40:46,540 --> 00:40:48,660 S12: I'm doing great. That's a lot of labels you gave me. 785 00:40:48,700 --> 00:40:50,219 S6: Yeah, I gave you a lot of them. And I 786 00:40:50,260 --> 00:40:53,940 S6: left a few out. Professor of Bible at Moody Bible Institute, 787 00:40:53,940 --> 00:41:02,259 S6: for instance, awarded faculty Citation award in 2025 for Founder's Week. Man. 788 00:41:02,260 --> 00:41:04,900 S6: And he's got an award winning book, See the Diet. 789 00:41:04,940 --> 00:41:06,980 S6: They just keep going on and on. But more than 790 00:41:06,980 --> 00:41:09,380 S6: anything else, Jim's a humble guy. As you go to 791 00:41:09,420 --> 00:41:12,180 S6: the Word of God, doesn't it have the tendency to 792 00:41:12,219 --> 00:41:14,780 S6: humble you when you really make discoveries, Jim? 793 00:41:14,780 --> 00:41:16,950 S12: Oh, it sure does. I mean, even this morning I 794 00:41:16,950 --> 00:41:19,109 S12: had several like aha moments. I said, how come I've 795 00:41:19,110 --> 00:41:21,430 S12: never seen that before? And I'm just. Isn't that wild? 796 00:41:21,469 --> 00:41:24,750 S12: It's it's so amazing. I said, Lord, it's a, it's 797 00:41:24,790 --> 00:41:27,830 S12: it's amazing that I get the privilege of starting to 798 00:41:27,870 --> 00:41:31,629 S12: unpeel away several layers that are there. I mean, we 799 00:41:31,670 --> 00:41:34,390 S12: got the big point. We know the gospel changes everything 800 00:41:34,390 --> 00:41:37,230 S12: and we got those things there, but it's so neat 801 00:41:37,230 --> 00:41:40,189 S12: in how it's not just the big points, it's even 802 00:41:40,190 --> 00:41:43,990 S12: in the setup, the stage, the, the surroundings that also 803 00:41:43,989 --> 00:41:45,190 S12: are so amazing. 804 00:41:45,230 --> 00:41:47,030 S6: You know, I got to tell you something, I use 805 00:41:47,030 --> 00:41:51,750 S6: some of your study techniques on drawing inference around context. 806 00:41:51,750 --> 00:41:54,069 S6: So let me I hadn't planned on doing this, but 807 00:41:54,070 --> 00:41:58,870 S6: if you go to Mark's gospel, which has a pretty tight, uh, 808 00:41:58,870 --> 00:42:03,270 S6: chronological layout of the chain of events on Holy Week, right, right. 809 00:42:03,310 --> 00:42:06,270 S6: It's a good one. Matthew's all over the place with it, 810 00:42:06,310 --> 00:42:10,750 S6: but Mark's got it pinned down. Well, in chapter 1238, 811 00:42:10,950 --> 00:42:13,589 S6: he's talking about beware of the scribes and the Pharisees. 812 00:42:13,590 --> 00:42:18,410 S6: And he says they devour widows? Yes. They devour widows, right? Right. Well, 813 00:42:18,410 --> 00:42:20,770 S6: then it goes on to go into the widow's mite. Right. 814 00:42:21,170 --> 00:42:25,330 S6: So these two copper coins clunked into this loud container 815 00:42:25,330 --> 00:42:28,210 S6: trumpet looking thing. And it would have been because there 816 00:42:28,210 --> 00:42:30,569 S6: were a lot of bigger gifts given by people. The 817 00:42:30,570 --> 00:42:33,210 S6: reason they knew that is it made more noise. So 818 00:42:33,250 --> 00:42:35,810 S6: you got these two copper coins clinking in. But here's 819 00:42:35,810 --> 00:42:38,050 S6: the big takeaway I had. And you tell me what 820 00:42:38,090 --> 00:42:41,969 S6: study tool I used of yours to help determine this. 821 00:42:41,969 --> 00:42:46,930 S6: I'm convinced now that equal to maybe not greater than, 822 00:42:46,930 --> 00:42:49,489 S6: but equal to the principle of she was a woman 823 00:42:49,530 --> 00:42:55,410 S6: of great sacrifice is Jim. She gave. While knowing good 824 00:42:55,410 --> 00:42:59,330 S6: and well these Pharisees are lining their pockets. The system 825 00:42:59,330 --> 00:43:03,210 S6: is broken. She gave everything she had because she gave 826 00:43:03,210 --> 00:43:05,650 S6: for the eyes of one, not the eyes of man. 827 00:43:05,650 --> 00:43:08,170 S6: That is a big takeaway from her story. 828 00:43:08,210 --> 00:43:10,049 S12: Oh, it sure is. And that's the, you know, the 829 00:43:10,050 --> 00:43:13,649 S12: beauty of characterization, again, knowing the whole backdrop. But I'll 830 00:43:13,650 --> 00:43:17,630 S12: even one up you. Okay. That context there in Mark's gospel, 831 00:43:17,790 --> 00:43:20,149 S12: you have. Then she gave the two mites. But right 832 00:43:20,150 --> 00:43:22,950 S12: before it says these are the. The leaders, the religious 833 00:43:22,950 --> 00:43:26,750 S12: leaders that devour widows houses. Right. And so as much 834 00:43:26,750 --> 00:43:29,990 S12: as this is a commendation of the widow for giving 835 00:43:29,989 --> 00:43:32,469 S12: all that she had, it's really also, at the same 836 00:43:32,469 --> 00:43:36,750 S12: time a condemnation of the rulers who are forcing this 837 00:43:36,750 --> 00:43:40,270 S12: system where she feels compelled to give her last two pennies. 838 00:43:40,310 --> 00:43:43,590 S6: And they joyfully took it. But what's wild to me, Jim, 839 00:43:43,590 --> 00:43:47,509 S6: just to loop back, she knew this was a scam. 840 00:43:47,550 --> 00:43:47,990 S12: Yeah. 841 00:43:48,430 --> 00:43:51,430 S6: There's no way she didn't see it. Jesus flipped the 842 00:43:51,430 --> 00:43:56,190 S6: tables because everybody knew it was it was a big 843 00:43:56,230 --> 00:43:57,510 S6: Ponzi scheme. Jim. 844 00:43:57,550 --> 00:43:59,950 S12: Yes. Oh, yeah. And that's the whole thing that the 845 00:43:59,989 --> 00:44:02,910 S12: the religious leaders showed their true colors in this whole 846 00:44:02,950 --> 00:44:05,549 S12: episode of the Holy Week. I was just reading this 847 00:44:05,550 --> 00:44:08,830 S12: morning again in John's Gospel and, you know, their you know, 848 00:44:08,870 --> 00:44:11,630 S12: their Pontius Pilate is saying, you know, you want me 849 00:44:11,630 --> 00:44:14,730 S12: to crucify your You're king. And they say, what do 850 00:44:14,730 --> 00:44:17,489 S12: the leaders say? We have no king but Caesar. And 851 00:44:17,489 --> 00:44:19,930 S12: it's like they were forced into a corner where they 852 00:44:19,930 --> 00:44:21,930 S12: had to admit probably the last thing in the world 853 00:44:21,969 --> 00:44:25,609 S12: they wanted to say. I mean, it's like crazy that 854 00:44:25,610 --> 00:44:27,650 S12: they had to get to that point. They were so 855 00:44:28,010 --> 00:44:30,570 S12: against Jesus that they had to go to the other 856 00:44:30,570 --> 00:44:33,770 S12: side of the spectrum to acknowledge Caesar as king. 857 00:44:33,890 --> 00:44:38,970 S6: You know, it's interesting. So broad view. Clearly, Jesus was 858 00:44:38,969 --> 00:44:43,530 S6: trying to highlight the distinction between religious phariseeism and authentic 859 00:44:43,530 --> 00:44:46,650 S6: relationship with him. I mean, because he was speaking it 860 00:44:46,650 --> 00:44:47,569 S6: over and over again, right? 861 00:44:47,610 --> 00:44:50,210 S12: Oh, it sure was. And that's you can see Pontius Pilate. 862 00:44:50,250 --> 00:44:52,649 S12: He's he's caught in a lot of things and he's 863 00:44:52,650 --> 00:44:55,169 S12: trying to get out. But then when the people he's 864 00:44:55,170 --> 00:44:58,529 S12: trying to to rule are basically trying to lead him 865 00:44:58,530 --> 00:45:00,890 S12: a certain way, he realizes he can't really he's kind 866 00:45:00,890 --> 00:45:03,290 S12: of forced. His hand is forced. But of course, he's 867 00:45:03,290 --> 00:45:06,569 S12: he's guilty of that. And again, we recite that, you know, 868 00:45:06,610 --> 00:45:10,810 S12: he suffered under Pontius Pilate in the, you know, Apostle's Creed. Uh, 869 00:45:10,850 --> 00:45:14,540 S12: and so these are things that get kind of stayed 870 00:45:14,540 --> 00:45:17,180 S12: in Memorial. And that's the kind of the widow's mite 871 00:45:17,180 --> 00:45:20,739 S12: is a good memorial of sacrifice. But Pontius Pilate again, 872 00:45:20,780 --> 00:45:23,660 S12: who knew what was truth but didn't follow and act 873 00:45:23,660 --> 00:45:24,020 S12: on it. 874 00:45:24,020 --> 00:45:27,739 S6: Okay, before we get into what can be in a 875 00:45:27,739 --> 00:45:29,820 S6: chunk of coal, I want to get to that. How 876 00:45:29,860 --> 00:45:33,940 S6: vital is it that the great commandment wasn't dished up 877 00:45:33,940 --> 00:45:36,700 S6: through three years of ministry until Holy Week? 878 00:45:37,260 --> 00:45:39,660 S12: Yeah, I mean, I think they're not ready. You know, 879 00:45:39,700 --> 00:45:43,380 S12: in a sense, even Jesus is praying for them. John 17, 880 00:45:43,420 --> 00:45:45,899 S12: the high priestly prayer. He's praying for them. They're not 881 00:45:45,900 --> 00:45:49,940 S12: ready yet. Even after he's resurrected and before Pentecost, they 882 00:45:49,940 --> 00:45:51,580 S12: still weren't ready. And he's got to breathe on them, 883 00:45:51,580 --> 00:45:54,379 S12: the Holy Spirit to give them that power. So there 884 00:45:54,420 --> 00:45:56,700 S12: is a sense that he has to stage it at 885 00:45:56,700 --> 00:45:58,660 S12: the right time for them to be able to then 886 00:45:58,700 --> 00:46:01,820 S12: have the power to be able to fulfill this great commission, 887 00:46:01,820 --> 00:46:03,060 S12: this great commandment. 888 00:46:03,060 --> 00:46:06,780 S6: I love it. Okay, what's an Olympic coal doctor, Jim 889 00:46:06,780 --> 00:46:08,819 S6: Coakley coming up. And we're going to have a link 890 00:46:08,820 --> 00:46:13,560 S6: to a book that my Bride calls the greatest book 891 00:46:14,040 --> 00:46:17,160 S6: for fueling your fires. To get into the Word of God, 892 00:46:17,160 --> 00:46:19,879 S6: you can read. That's what my bride says. She says, 893 00:46:19,880 --> 00:46:23,000 S6: bar none, and she reads a lot. So with that endorsement, 894 00:46:23,000 --> 00:46:25,000 S6: more with Doctor Jim Coakley straight ahead. 895 00:46:25,800 --> 00:46:29,800 S1: Walking closer to Jesus every day, you're listening to Carl 896 00:46:29,800 --> 00:46:30,400 S1: and crew. 897 00:46:31,120 --> 00:46:34,120 S6: Doctor Jim Coakley with us right now, professor of Bible 898 00:46:34,120 --> 00:46:38,760 S6: at Moody Bible Institute awarded faculty citation award and faculty 899 00:46:38,800 --> 00:46:41,879 S6: citation doesn't mean he got a ticket for speeding on 900 00:46:41,880 --> 00:46:43,319 S6: campus means that. 901 00:46:43,320 --> 00:46:45,320 S12: He only knew what I do on the local highways 902 00:46:45,320 --> 00:46:46,239 S12: here in Chicago. 903 00:46:47,040 --> 00:46:51,400 S6: It means he was an outstanding faculty for 2025. Really cool, 904 00:46:51,440 --> 00:46:56,120 S6: neat honor. And Jim, you have used study tools to 905 00:46:56,160 --> 00:46:59,320 S6: discover great stuff. One of them is what is in 906 00:46:59,320 --> 00:47:01,840 S6: a lump of coal. Take it away, my man. 907 00:47:02,080 --> 00:47:04,640 S12: Yeah. You know, this is Holy Week. And we think 908 00:47:04,640 --> 00:47:07,640 S12: about normally the chronology, we think about the different events, 909 00:47:07,640 --> 00:47:09,319 S12: and we could kind of focus on all those things. 910 00:47:09,320 --> 00:47:12,020 S12: And it's great that things. We've been unpacking a lot 911 00:47:12,020 --> 00:47:13,900 S12: of those lessons of this week, but one of the 912 00:47:13,900 --> 00:47:16,219 S12: things that I'm always looking for is I read the 913 00:47:16,219 --> 00:47:19,339 S12: Bible are the things that are not necessarily foregrounded, but 914 00:47:19,340 --> 00:47:22,980 S12: they're still part of the story. And there's a, an 915 00:47:23,020 --> 00:47:27,180 S12: object in John's Gospel where he uses it as a 916 00:47:27,219 --> 00:47:31,300 S12: device to kind of focus our thinking for very practical application. 917 00:47:31,739 --> 00:47:34,980 S12: And in John chapter 18, Peter, of course, has said 918 00:47:34,980 --> 00:47:37,419 S12: he's going to, you know, follow the Lord to his 919 00:47:37,420 --> 00:47:39,819 S12: death and all these kind of things. He's the apostle 920 00:47:39,820 --> 00:47:43,460 S12: with the foot shaped mouth. Uh, and so he. 921 00:47:44,060 --> 00:47:46,740 S13: He all the time. And I've never heard that before 922 00:47:46,739 --> 00:47:47,380 S13: in my life. 923 00:47:47,420 --> 00:47:49,500 S12: He always says opening mouth, inserting foot. 924 00:47:49,540 --> 00:47:50,100 S6: Hilarious. 925 00:47:50,140 --> 00:47:54,300 S12: Yeah. And so Peter is, is so gung ho. He's 926 00:47:54,300 --> 00:47:59,340 S12: so full of bravado. Uh, and yet what happens? Jesus 927 00:47:59,380 --> 00:48:02,859 S12: is arrested and he's now on trial. And John is 928 00:48:02,860 --> 00:48:05,460 S12: able to go right into where all these things are happening. 929 00:48:05,460 --> 00:48:09,990 S12: But Peter's outside. And in John chapter 18, it says 930 00:48:09,989 --> 00:48:14,110 S12: Peter was standing at the door outside and the other disciple, 931 00:48:14,110 --> 00:48:15,790 S12: who was known to the high priest, went out and 932 00:48:15,790 --> 00:48:19,230 S12: spoke to the doorkeeper and brought in Peter. The slave girl, therefore, 933 00:48:19,230 --> 00:48:22,030 S12: who kept the door, said to Peter, you are not 934 00:48:22,030 --> 00:48:24,990 S12: also one of his man's disciples, are you? He said, 935 00:48:24,989 --> 00:48:27,830 S12: I am not. Now the slaves and the officers were 936 00:48:27,830 --> 00:48:31,629 S12: standing there, having made a charcoal fire, a coal fire, 937 00:48:31,630 --> 00:48:34,870 S12: for it was cold, and they were warming themselves. And 938 00:48:34,870 --> 00:48:38,310 S12: Peter also was with them, standing and warming himself. And 939 00:48:38,310 --> 00:48:42,230 S12: so here we have Peter denying that he knows the Lord, 940 00:48:42,430 --> 00:48:45,870 S12: and it happens by this charcoal fire. Okay. Now, what's 941 00:48:45,870 --> 00:48:48,230 S12: unusual about this is this level of detail. I mean, 942 00:48:48,270 --> 00:48:51,110 S12: normally we don't have those kind of daily life experience. 943 00:48:51,110 --> 00:48:54,110 S12: Charcoal fire. Yeah. Why would I mean, charcoal fire? I mean, 944 00:48:54,150 --> 00:48:55,710 S12: kind of goes along with what I'm going to be. 945 00:48:55,710 --> 00:48:59,230 S12: Also stressing is you have to prepare charcoal ahead of time. 946 00:48:59,550 --> 00:49:02,109 S12: You're not just firing up some kindling and some, you know, 947 00:49:02,150 --> 00:49:04,430 S12: some firewood. You have to prepare it. It's got to 948 00:49:04,430 --> 00:49:08,169 S12: be there's a certain preparation system for getting charcoal. And 949 00:49:08,170 --> 00:49:12,010 S12: so this charcoal fire is ideal for hand. Warming at, 950 00:49:12,050 --> 00:49:13,930 S12: you know, at a at a palace, at a trial. 951 00:49:14,370 --> 00:49:17,970 S12: But there's one other time, that only time that word 952 00:49:17,969 --> 00:49:21,290 S12: is mentioned again. Is later on in John's Gospel, and 953 00:49:21,290 --> 00:49:24,810 S12: it's in John chapter 21 when Jesus says to his 954 00:49:24,810 --> 00:49:28,530 S12: disciples after the resurrection, hey, I'm going back home fishing. Uh, 955 00:49:28,730 --> 00:49:31,610 S12: and so he goes fishing. And of course, Peter, uh, 956 00:49:31,610 --> 00:49:34,250 S12: is out with the on the water. Jesus is there. 957 00:49:34,250 --> 00:49:37,009 S12: He doesn't recognize him yet. And so, uh, they catch 958 00:49:37,010 --> 00:49:39,770 S12: a great catch of fish. 153 by the way, which 959 00:49:39,770 --> 00:49:43,130 S12: is a strange, odd number, once again, to be that specific. 960 00:49:43,410 --> 00:49:46,089 S12: But then Peter recognized it's the Lord. And what does 961 00:49:46,090 --> 00:49:49,370 S12: the Lord have on the beach? He has breakfast on 962 00:49:49,370 --> 00:49:52,009 S12: the beach prepared for Peter, and it says it was 963 00:49:52,010 --> 00:49:55,250 S12: a charcoal fire. The only two times that Greek word 964 00:49:55,250 --> 00:49:58,730 S12: is used in all the New Testament is involving Peter. 965 00:49:59,090 --> 00:50:02,969 S12: First of all, denying three times by a charcoal fire 966 00:50:02,969 --> 00:50:07,910 S12: and now being restored with Jesus's loving questions. Peter. You know, 967 00:50:07,950 --> 00:50:10,989 S12: do you love me? Feed my sheep. And so the 968 00:50:10,989 --> 00:50:14,670 S12: three times is there mentioned both times. And it all 969 00:50:14,670 --> 00:50:18,190 S12: happens around a charcoal fire. And what happens though is 970 00:50:18,190 --> 00:50:21,950 S12: that the situation has been reversed. You think Jesus should 971 00:50:21,950 --> 00:50:25,070 S12: not be in control during this chaotic week of passion week, 972 00:50:25,070 --> 00:50:27,830 S12: but everywhere you look through the details, again, if you 973 00:50:27,830 --> 00:50:30,910 S12: read the whole passion narrative, you see Jesus is in 974 00:50:30,910 --> 00:50:34,110 S12: control down to minutia. You know, hey, you're going to 975 00:50:34,110 --> 00:50:36,509 S12: find this donkey and a colt tied up and you're 976 00:50:36,510 --> 00:50:38,230 S12: going to take them and they're going to say, hey, 977 00:50:38,230 --> 00:50:39,669 S12: what are you doing? And you say, well, the Lord 978 00:50:39,670 --> 00:50:42,350 S12: has need of it. He knows that Judas is going 979 00:50:42,390 --> 00:50:45,630 S12: to deny him. He has the upper room prepared for 980 00:50:45,630 --> 00:50:48,910 S12: the Last Supper. And all these things show Jesus. Even 981 00:50:48,910 --> 00:50:52,270 S12: in the pressure cooker, the crucible of the final week 982 00:50:52,310 --> 00:50:56,910 S12: is still orchestrating, still planning things and knowing things ahead 983 00:50:56,910 --> 00:50:59,469 S12: of time. And he knows because he even says to 984 00:50:59,510 --> 00:51:01,870 S12: Peter ahead of time, Satan is going to desire to 985 00:51:01,910 --> 00:51:06,000 S12: sift you as wheat, but I have prayed for you. Uh, 986 00:51:06,000 --> 00:51:08,560 S12: now that's amazing when we think about it. I think 987 00:51:08,560 --> 00:51:11,560 S12: Jesus knew that Peter would deny him, but then I 988 00:51:11,560 --> 00:51:14,439 S12: think he was also preparing for his restoration. Yeah. And 989 00:51:14,440 --> 00:51:17,919 S12: that charcoal fire is the same place. And we talk 990 00:51:18,000 --> 00:51:22,440 S12: about memories of smell. You know, there's certain evocations of 991 00:51:22,440 --> 00:51:25,439 S12: memories that get triggered with certain smells. And I think 992 00:51:25,440 --> 00:51:29,560 S12: now that charcoal fire smell burrowing up into his nostrils 993 00:51:29,600 --> 00:51:31,480 S12: now is going to be a smell that's going to 994 00:51:31,520 --> 00:51:33,400 S12: stick with Peter for the rest of his days, that 995 00:51:33,400 --> 00:51:34,240 S12: he's here on earth. 996 00:51:34,280 --> 00:51:37,080 S6: Yeah. This is no accident, Jim. No. Bottom line. 997 00:51:37,080 --> 00:51:37,520 S12: No. 998 00:51:37,600 --> 00:51:40,839 S6: God is bringing him back to the fire again to 999 00:51:40,880 --> 00:51:43,759 S6: see if he's going to go through this testing and 1000 00:51:43,760 --> 00:51:45,440 S6: come out refined as pure gold. 1001 00:51:45,480 --> 00:51:47,319 S12: He's going back to the scene of the crime. And 1002 00:51:47,320 --> 00:51:49,040 S12: so he's kind of saying, hey, I knew you were 1003 00:51:49,040 --> 00:51:51,920 S12: there by the fire. Uh, and now here I am 1004 00:51:51,920 --> 00:51:53,560 S12: by a fire. I'm going to give you a redo. 1005 00:51:53,600 --> 00:51:55,600 S12: I'm going to give you a chance to, to kind 1006 00:51:55,640 --> 00:51:56,399 S12: of just. 1007 00:51:56,400 --> 00:51:58,040 S6: Like he gives the you and me. Jim. 1008 00:51:58,040 --> 00:52:00,879 S12: Yes. He, I mean, that's, that's what's so amazing about this. 1009 00:52:00,920 --> 00:52:05,060 S12: We see even in the crucible of this week, Jesus 1010 00:52:05,060 --> 00:52:09,540 S12: is in full control, and he's already planning for Peter's restoration, 1011 00:52:09,540 --> 00:52:10,740 S12: knowing that he's going to fail. 1012 00:52:10,940 --> 00:52:14,020 S6: Wow, this is great. Okay, boom crew, listen to me. 1013 00:52:14,340 --> 00:52:17,899 S6: When my bride says no book. Of all the books 1014 00:52:17,900 --> 00:52:21,739 S6: with regard to study habits, study guides, you name it, 1015 00:52:21,739 --> 00:52:24,500 S6: all those different tools that we've read, my bride over 1016 00:52:24,500 --> 00:52:27,420 S6: the years, she says this and it's true. 14 Fresh 1017 00:52:27,460 --> 00:52:30,860 S6: Ways to Enjoy. The Bible has done more to unlock 1018 00:52:30,860 --> 00:52:33,339 S6: her understanding of the Word of God than any other 1019 00:52:33,340 --> 00:52:36,100 S6: single book. It's a big deal. That's an endorsement from 1020 00:52:36,100 --> 00:52:39,500 S6: my bride, mind you. And she's a good woman of God. 1021 00:52:39,500 --> 00:52:42,140 S6: So we're going to give you a word. This will 1022 00:52:42,140 --> 00:52:44,379 S6: give you a link not only to this book, but 1023 00:52:44,380 --> 00:52:48,860 S6: also to an accompanying study guide. So text the word 1024 00:52:48,860 --> 00:52:51,899 S6: fresh right now. Fresh. What a what a way to 1025 00:52:51,940 --> 00:52:57,500 S6: freshen up. Holy week text fresh to 800 555 7898. 1026 00:52:57,540 --> 00:53:04,520 S6: One word fresh to 800 555 78. 98. 1027 00:53:05,080 --> 00:53:09,560 S1: A basketball mom who's mastered the dad joke. Ali is 1028 00:53:09,560 --> 00:53:13,239 S1: in the crew. It's Karl and crew on Moody Radio. 1029 00:53:15,320 --> 00:53:18,880 S1: Making herself laugh no matter who joins her. It's time 1030 00:53:18,880 --> 00:53:20,960 S1: for Ali. Thinks it's funny. 1031 00:53:21,000 --> 00:53:21,640 S6: Yes. 1032 00:53:23,040 --> 00:53:26,600 S4: You know, some kids are very, um, very industrious from 1033 00:53:26,600 --> 00:53:30,399 S4: a very early age. Sure. Show a bit of an 1034 00:53:30,440 --> 00:53:33,240 S4: entrepreneurial bent. Was that you, Karl? 1035 00:53:33,560 --> 00:53:34,400 S6: I definitely. 1036 00:53:34,440 --> 00:53:35,040 S7: I was. 1037 00:53:35,080 --> 00:53:35,239 S6: I. 1038 00:53:35,239 --> 00:53:36,040 S7: Was that was. 1039 00:53:36,640 --> 00:53:39,239 S6: I had more businesses going by the time I was 1040 00:53:39,239 --> 00:53:41,080 S6: ten than you could shake a stick at. 1041 00:53:41,080 --> 00:53:43,600 S4: So in a way, this let's pretend that this is 1042 00:53:43,600 --> 00:53:45,520 S4: a story about young Karl. 1043 00:53:45,560 --> 00:53:47,640 S14: Oh, boy, young Karl. 1044 00:53:47,840 --> 00:53:48,720 S2: This makes it better. 1045 00:53:49,400 --> 00:53:51,560 S4: I'm just waiting for someone to bite on that one. 1046 00:53:52,000 --> 00:53:56,440 S4: Young Karl out on the playground had a genius idea. 1047 00:53:57,680 --> 00:54:00,400 S4: Some kids don't know how to tie their shoes yet. 1048 00:54:01,280 --> 00:54:06,180 S4: Young Karl learned early, so he started a business tying 1049 00:54:06,219 --> 00:54:09,140 S4: shoelaces for other kids. A little younger than him, out 1050 00:54:09,140 --> 00:54:10,140 S4: on the playground. 1051 00:54:10,620 --> 00:54:11,140 S7: Okay. 1052 00:54:11,780 --> 00:54:14,899 S4: Young Karl started a not for profit. 1053 00:54:19,540 --> 00:54:21,180 S2: I like that one. That's good. 1054 00:54:26,739 --> 00:54:30,900 S7: Oh, no. Karl's bad. Sorry. Swig of water. 1055 00:54:31,780 --> 00:54:33,660 S14: Get a swig of water. That is. 1056 00:54:33,660 --> 00:54:34,660 S6: Outstanding. 1057 00:54:34,700 --> 00:54:34,980 S2: That was. 1058 00:54:34,980 --> 00:54:35,260 S7: Good. 1059 00:54:35,660 --> 00:54:36,540 S14: Now, that's. 1060 00:54:36,540 --> 00:54:37,740 S6: Not your typical dad. 1061 00:54:37,739 --> 00:54:39,779 S7: Joke. Use that. I give it a little. 1062 00:54:39,780 --> 00:54:43,060 S4: Mustard as I do for this next one. Yes. I 1063 00:54:43,060 --> 00:54:46,420 S4: want to shift to a fine restaurant. 1064 00:54:46,860 --> 00:54:48,100 S7: Ah, okay. 1065 00:54:48,140 --> 00:54:52,980 S4: White tablecloths, waiters with gloves and an arm behind the 1066 00:54:52,980 --> 00:54:54,900 S4: back bringing out food. 1067 00:54:54,940 --> 00:54:55,580 S2: I've never been to one. 1068 00:54:55,580 --> 00:54:57,779 S4: Of those on one of those silver trays with the 1069 00:54:57,780 --> 00:55:00,820 S4: silver cover that they open it up. Yes, yes. Present 1070 00:55:00,820 --> 00:55:01,219 S4: to you. 1071 00:55:01,310 --> 00:55:02,510 S2: Only seen it in the movies. 1072 00:55:02,510 --> 00:55:06,029 S4: Your dinner with a menu where the cheapest item on 1073 00:55:06,030 --> 00:55:08,870 S4: the menu is too rich for your blood. 1074 00:55:10,310 --> 00:55:10,790 S7: Amen. 1075 00:55:12,110 --> 00:55:15,230 S4: And now I want you to picture a couple of cats. 1076 00:55:15,230 --> 00:55:17,950 S4: They've gone out to dinner. They're going to treat themselves. 1077 00:55:17,950 --> 00:55:21,589 S4: They're sitting at the table. They place their order. And 1078 00:55:21,590 --> 00:55:25,469 S4: the waiter says, sir. Sir. Cat, how would you like 1079 00:55:25,510 --> 00:55:28,310 S4: your steak cooked? And he says, rare. 1080 00:55:31,430 --> 00:55:32,630 S7: Saw that one coming. 1081 00:55:34,830 --> 00:55:37,629 S6: You saw it coming and you didn't laugh. That's outstanding. 1082 00:55:37,670 --> 00:55:38,630 S2: That was incredible. 1083 00:55:38,870 --> 00:55:40,350 S7: I ran out of music there. I went. 1084 00:55:40,350 --> 00:55:41,509 S14: A little. No. It's great. 1085 00:55:41,550 --> 00:55:43,270 S6: It was a pregnant pause. It was a. 1086 00:55:43,270 --> 00:55:43,710 S14: Moment. 1087 00:55:43,750 --> 00:55:47,150 S2: It needed, I needed it needed the the the dry, 1088 00:55:47,190 --> 00:55:50,190 S2: no music behind it type of feel. That was. 1089 00:55:50,430 --> 00:55:50,750 S7: Again. 1090 00:55:51,110 --> 00:55:53,910 S2: The delivery that might have been the best one. 1091 00:55:53,950 --> 00:55:58,070 S7: Text jokes 800 555 7898. 1092 00:55:58,110 --> 00:56:01,310 S4: Text jokes to 800 555 7898.