1 00:00:05,920 --> 00:00:09,520 S1: Today on Chris Fabry Live. We remember we are told 2 00:00:09,520 --> 00:00:12,600 S1: throughout the Scripture to remember, tell of the things God 3 00:00:12,600 --> 00:00:16,720 S1: has done, remind ourselves and tell our children. So all 4 00:00:16,720 --> 00:00:20,200 S1: this month we are presenting programs celebrating 100 years of 5 00:00:20,200 --> 00:00:25,800 S1: Moody Radio. July 28th, 1926 was the first broadcast, and 6 00:00:25,800 --> 00:00:27,840 S1: some of you have come along in the last year 7 00:00:27,840 --> 00:00:30,280 S1: or so. And just the last few weeks or so, 8 00:00:30,280 --> 00:00:32,880 S1: some of you and you know who you are. You've 9 00:00:32,880 --> 00:00:36,639 S1: listened to Moody Radio for decades. So today we're going 10 00:00:36,720 --> 00:00:41,440 S1: to pause and remember Moody Radio's impact for change. Has 11 00:00:41,440 --> 00:00:43,279 S1: it been that for you? As you listen to the 12 00:00:43,280 --> 00:00:45,159 S1: stories today, I want you to be thinking about the 13 00:00:45,159 --> 00:00:48,800 S1: impact that Moody Radio has had on your life. What 14 00:00:48,800 --> 00:00:51,239 S1: difference has it made? What changes have you seen in 15 00:00:51,240 --> 00:00:55,200 S1: your own life that you can directly attribute to the 16 00:00:55,200 --> 00:00:58,520 S1: power of God's Word through Moody Radio? Let's get started. First, 17 00:00:58,520 --> 00:01:01,320 S1: a thank you to Ryan McConaughey doing all things technical. 18 00:01:01,360 --> 00:01:03,760 S1: Trish is our producer. Lisa is helping out. Josh will 19 00:01:03,760 --> 00:01:06,959 S1: be answering your calls. And one group we must remember 20 00:01:06,959 --> 00:01:10,160 S1: in the last 100 years, listeners who have supported us 21 00:01:10,720 --> 00:01:12,959 S1: and right now our. Thank you all. This month is 22 00:01:12,959 --> 00:01:17,040 S1: a new pictorial history. This is Moody Radio. So many 23 00:01:17,040 --> 00:01:20,119 S1: memories are here of the people and the programs and 24 00:01:20,120 --> 00:01:23,240 S1: the changes through the decades. Don't miss this. Thank you. 25 00:01:23,280 --> 00:01:25,280 S1: Be as generous as you can when you call or 26 00:01:25,280 --> 00:01:31,399 S1: click through eight, six, six, 953 or go to Chris fabry.org. 27 00:01:31,440 --> 00:01:34,640 S1: We had the co authors of this, Phil Shepard and Kevin, 28 00:01:35,160 --> 00:01:38,760 S1: on last week, who spent years and years literally putting 29 00:01:38,760 --> 00:01:42,440 S1: this all together. It captures the spirit of this ministry 30 00:01:42,440 --> 00:01:45,200 S1: so well. I think it's going to do something in you. 31 00:01:45,400 --> 00:01:50,800 S1: Let us send you a copy. (866) 953-2279. Or go to 32 00:01:50,840 --> 00:01:56,160 S1: Chris Fabry live.org. Let's go back to February of 2017 33 00:01:56,200 --> 00:01:59,440 S1: to Founders Week. Doctor Tony Evans began his message with 34 00:01:59,440 --> 00:02:00,520 S1: this memory. 35 00:02:00,760 --> 00:02:07,120 S2: My story intersects very intimately with Moody Bible Institute, although 36 00:02:07,120 --> 00:02:12,040 S2: never having been a student here. Whatever is in my 37 00:02:12,040 --> 00:02:17,640 S2: legacy crosses Moody very intimately. It was moody under Doctor 38 00:02:17,680 --> 00:02:23,000 S2: Sweeting that opened up the opportunity for national radio when 39 00:02:23,600 --> 00:02:27,079 S2: most stations in America would not accept a black speaker. 40 00:02:28,360 --> 00:02:32,639 S2: And they opened that door for me, for which I 41 00:02:32,639 --> 00:02:34,280 S2: will forever be grateful. 42 00:02:34,800 --> 00:02:38,160 S1: And if you listen carefully, you hear the audience kind 43 00:02:38,160 --> 00:02:42,320 S1: of gasping, going, oh, doctor. Tony Evans, founding pastor of 44 00:02:42,320 --> 00:02:47,120 S1: Oak Cliff Bible Fellowship, founder and president of the Urban Alternative. Tony, 45 00:02:47,120 --> 00:02:49,440 S1: is that true what you said right there? Is that true? 46 00:02:50,240 --> 00:02:55,200 S3: Oh completely true. I mean, stations would would either directly 47 00:02:55,200 --> 00:02:57,930 S3: deny us and say it would It might offend too 48 00:02:57,930 --> 00:03:01,490 S3: many of their listeners to have an African American preacher 49 00:03:01,730 --> 00:03:06,690 S3: or passively just not, not not allowed the opportunity. And 50 00:03:06,690 --> 00:03:10,290 S3: so Moody was different. Moody opened up that door. Of course, 51 00:03:10,330 --> 00:03:13,650 S3: Moody has a great history in this regard and, and 52 00:03:13,690 --> 00:03:17,609 S3: where it's located and the group that's trying to reach comprehensively. 53 00:03:17,610 --> 00:03:22,610 S3: And so that opened that door and it, it became 54 00:03:22,610 --> 00:03:26,530 S3: the foundation for the spread of our national broadcast ministry. 55 00:03:26,530 --> 00:03:30,209 S3: And for that, we, we are and will forever be very, 56 00:03:30,210 --> 00:03:31,049 S3: very grateful. 57 00:03:31,250 --> 00:03:34,489 S1: What did that mean to you then? To know after 58 00:03:34,490 --> 00:03:37,370 S1: getting the rejection and hearing this, and you had to 59 00:03:37,410 --> 00:03:39,570 S1: shake your head when you heard that, but what did 60 00:03:39,570 --> 00:03:42,410 S1: it mean for Moody to say, no, we're going with Tony. 61 00:03:43,450 --> 00:03:47,490 S3: Well, it meant a lot. First of all, it was, um, 62 00:03:48,530 --> 00:03:54,450 S3: it was spiritually seeing God move. It was a great 63 00:03:54,450 --> 00:03:58,890 S3: encouragement spiritually. So because, you know, you can be discouraged 64 00:03:58,890 --> 00:04:01,490 S3: when things are not happening. And when you see God 65 00:04:01,490 --> 00:04:05,570 S3: move in a unique and special way. It grows your 66 00:04:05,570 --> 00:04:08,970 S3: faith in the Lord. So that was one. Then relationally, 67 00:04:09,410 --> 00:04:14,330 S3: because of the opportunity granted by by Moody, the relationship 68 00:04:14,610 --> 00:04:20,450 S3: with with the school expanded. And so my recommending students there. Uh, 69 00:04:20,450 --> 00:04:24,490 S3: them inculcating me and, and many of their events. I mean, 70 00:04:24,529 --> 00:04:27,890 S3: all of that relationship blossomed. And when the leadership changed 71 00:04:28,050 --> 00:04:31,090 S3: that relationship with Joel Stoll just went to a whole 72 00:04:31,089 --> 00:04:36,049 S3: nother level. And so it was relationally, and then very importantly, 73 00:04:36,050 --> 00:04:41,170 S3: is impact the ability to touch lives. Uh, you know, just, 74 00:04:41,210 --> 00:04:44,409 S3: just all over the place, which expanded, you know, the 75 00:04:44,410 --> 00:04:48,409 S3: ministry which expanded our ability to, to speak God's truth 76 00:04:48,410 --> 00:04:50,890 S3: in places we weren't able to speak it before. So 77 00:04:50,890 --> 00:04:53,690 S3: it grew the impact. So there was spiritual, there was 78 00:04:53,730 --> 00:04:56,089 S3: relational and that was impact. And so all of those 79 00:04:56,089 --> 00:04:58,849 S3: were the fruit of my relationship with Moody. 80 00:04:59,770 --> 00:05:03,410 S1: If you go to page 137 in the book we're sending, 81 00:05:03,410 --> 00:05:06,570 S1: this is Moody Radio 100 Years of Proclaiming the gospel, 82 00:05:06,570 --> 00:05:09,289 S1: you will see a picture of Doctor Tony Evans behind 83 00:05:09,290 --> 00:05:13,690 S1: a microphone. I've seen this microphone, Moody radio over the years, 84 00:05:13,970 --> 00:05:16,690 S1: a lot younger. This was in the probably the early 85 00:05:16,730 --> 00:05:20,250 S1: 80s that the picture was taken, Tony. And there's been 86 00:05:20,250 --> 00:05:23,010 S1: a lot that's changed through the years. When you first started, 87 00:05:23,010 --> 00:05:27,130 S1: I think it was in 1981 that the urban alternative started. 88 00:05:27,130 --> 00:05:30,089 S1: We weren't even doing the satellite thing at that point. 89 00:05:30,089 --> 00:05:34,250 S1: That came in 1982. So you were on the the 90 00:05:34,490 --> 00:05:37,130 S1: ground floor of all of that change. 91 00:05:37,810 --> 00:05:40,730 S3: Well, that makes it even even special that in the 92 00:05:40,730 --> 00:05:43,370 S3: early part of what Moody was doing, that I could 93 00:05:43,370 --> 00:05:47,050 S3: be a small part of a big vision and see 94 00:05:47,050 --> 00:05:50,610 S3: what Moody Radio has done and continues to do in 95 00:05:50,610 --> 00:05:53,610 S3: bringing people closer to the Lord and learning the truth 96 00:05:53,610 --> 00:05:57,010 S3: of His Word. Uh, makes me part of a legacy 97 00:05:57,250 --> 00:06:01,089 S3: tied to Moody that I'm very proud to celebrate and 98 00:06:01,089 --> 00:06:04,530 S3: to celebrate Moody on. It's, uh, on, on all that 99 00:06:04,529 --> 00:06:08,010 S3: it is done and it's 100 years. And then specifically 100 00:06:08,010 --> 00:06:09,490 S3: in his broadcast ministry. 101 00:06:09,770 --> 00:06:12,370 S1: Let me read you something I posted on Facebook and 102 00:06:12,370 --> 00:06:15,810 S1: I asked the question about Moody being an agent of 103 00:06:15,810 --> 00:06:18,650 S1: change in, in your life and what is what has 104 00:06:18,650 --> 00:06:22,450 S1: it done? And this is what one listener said in 2000. 105 00:06:22,450 --> 00:06:25,850 S1: So 26 years ago, I was young. I just left 106 00:06:25,850 --> 00:06:29,650 S1: the Jehovah's Witnesses. When I started listening to the local station. 107 00:06:29,930 --> 00:06:32,450 S1: It was at my lunch break when Doctor Tony Evans 108 00:06:32,450 --> 00:06:36,089 S1: came on, and hearing the way he delivered his message 109 00:06:36,130 --> 00:06:41,010 S1: changed me. His message ministered me at that time, because 110 00:06:41,050 --> 00:06:43,210 S1: a part of me was afraid to listen to a 111 00:06:43,210 --> 00:06:47,010 S1: church message. Because as a Jehovah's Witness, you're not encouraged 112 00:06:47,010 --> 00:06:50,490 S1: to listen to anything outside of their messages. It was 113 00:06:50,490 --> 00:06:56,450 S1: that day, and that message about fasting and praying that 114 00:06:56,450 --> 00:06:59,330 S1: I felt free to know more about God than what 115 00:06:59,330 --> 00:07:02,210 S1: I'd been taught the first 21 years of my life. 116 00:07:02,290 --> 00:07:06,170 S1: I've been listening ever since. Moody radio was a godsend, 117 00:07:06,170 --> 00:07:09,530 S1: and I'm so appreciative. What do you say about that, Tony? 118 00:07:10,210 --> 00:07:14,250 S3: Oh, boy. You know, that's a that's a, uh, you know, 119 00:07:14,610 --> 00:07:18,850 S3: you you speak to groups and you can get responses 120 00:07:18,850 --> 00:07:22,090 S3: from groups, but you don't know what the impact is. 121 00:07:22,090 --> 00:07:25,450 S3: But when you get an individual who says, this was 122 00:07:25,450 --> 00:07:28,370 S3: my situation, this is what I heard. This is the 123 00:07:28,370 --> 00:07:32,010 S3: difference that it makes. It takes the impact to a 124 00:07:32,010 --> 00:07:34,530 S3: whole nother level. You know, one of the things I 125 00:07:34,530 --> 00:07:36,650 S3: like to do when I go places is to stand 126 00:07:36,650 --> 00:07:39,290 S3: around and greet people. And one of the reasons I 127 00:07:39,290 --> 00:07:42,850 S3: like to do it is to know what their story 128 00:07:42,850 --> 00:07:46,530 S3: was and how the Word of God has used that story. Uh, 129 00:07:46,530 --> 00:07:49,490 S3: he used his word in their story. And so, uh, 130 00:07:49,490 --> 00:07:52,690 S3: when I hear what you just what you just recited, 131 00:07:53,250 --> 00:07:56,090 S3: it excites me to know that in this person's life. 132 00:07:56,090 --> 00:07:59,130 S3: And you know, and you never know how this person 133 00:07:59,130 --> 00:08:02,290 S3: is impacting other people through that impact that they had. 134 00:08:02,450 --> 00:08:06,370 S3: So there's exponential impact. But you only know that when 135 00:08:06,370 --> 00:08:08,770 S3: you hear these stories. And so it makes my heart 136 00:08:08,810 --> 00:08:12,130 S3: glad to hear what what was just read to me. 137 00:08:12,370 --> 00:08:16,050 S1: Oh, and all the stories. And you've probably got stacks 138 00:08:16,050 --> 00:08:20,010 S1: and stacks of those in filing cabinets. Tony, I can't 139 00:08:20,010 --> 00:08:22,810 S1: thank you enough. I'm so glad that Moody radio all 140 00:08:22,810 --> 00:08:25,410 S1: the way back there in the early 80s said yes 141 00:08:25,410 --> 00:08:28,809 S1: to the urban alternative. Yes to you. And that your 142 00:08:28,810 --> 00:08:32,610 S1: voice has been faithfully proclaiming not only the truth of 143 00:08:32,610 --> 00:08:35,650 S1: the gospel, but the power of the gospel to change 144 00:08:35,730 --> 00:08:39,929 S1: people from the inside out. Don't stop doing that, okay? 145 00:08:40,490 --> 00:08:43,410 S3: We're going to keep doing it because God's Word is true. 146 00:08:43,450 --> 00:08:45,809 S3: It has been true. It's true and forever will be true. 147 00:08:45,850 --> 00:08:48,250 S3: Sealed in heaven. And that's what we proclaim. 148 00:08:49,020 --> 00:08:52,660 S1: There he is doctor Tony Evans today on Chris Fabry 149 00:08:52,660 --> 00:08:56,340 S1: live at the Radio Backyard fence. We are celebrating Moody 150 00:08:56,340 --> 00:08:58,500 S1: Radio as an agent of change. And I want to 151 00:08:58,500 --> 00:09:00,540 S1: give you an opportunity here in a few minutes. But 152 00:09:00,540 --> 00:09:02,740 S1: I've got some other voices I want you to hear, 153 00:09:02,940 --> 00:09:05,140 S1: and the book is our thank you. This month. As 154 00:09:05,140 --> 00:09:07,500 S1: I mentioned, this is Moody Radio's Hour. Thank you. If 155 00:09:07,500 --> 00:09:10,220 S1: you go to the website, scroll down. You can see 156 00:09:10,220 --> 00:09:13,260 S1: how to get a copy. Thank you for your generosity. 157 00:09:13,300 --> 00:09:20,780 S1: Go to Chris fabry.org, Chris fabry.org. More straight ahead on 158 00:09:20,780 --> 00:09:21,660 S1: Moody Radio. 159 00:09:33,100 --> 00:09:34,300 S4: This is Chris Fabry live. 160 00:09:34,300 --> 00:09:38,820 S1: We are remembering 100 years of Moody Radio. We just 161 00:09:38,820 --> 00:09:42,900 S1: heard Tony Evans talk about the urban alternative starting in 1981. 162 00:09:42,940 --> 00:09:46,260 S1: I want to take you back to May of 1982. 163 00:09:46,300 --> 00:09:49,900 S1: Wayne Jane Shepherd was in Tory Grey Auditorium for the 164 00:09:49,900 --> 00:09:56,140 S1: first event broadcast by satellite. And here is Wayne and 165 00:09:56,140 --> 00:10:00,020 S1: the man who was vice president of broadcasting. Listen to this. 166 00:10:00,940 --> 00:10:02,900 S5: Also with me here this evening is Bob Neff, who 167 00:10:02,900 --> 00:10:05,420 S5: is manager of the broadcast division. I know, Bob, that 168 00:10:05,420 --> 00:10:08,260 S5: you're well, a well known name to the listeners who 169 00:10:08,260 --> 00:10:12,500 S5: are with us right now on these stations around the country. And, uh, 170 00:10:12,500 --> 00:10:16,060 S5: tonight is really the culmination of a lot of hopes 171 00:10:16,059 --> 00:10:18,860 S5: and dreams and prayers. And in the last many months, 172 00:10:18,860 --> 00:10:22,380 S5: isn't it? It certainly is. And, uh, in many ways, 173 00:10:22,380 --> 00:10:25,660 S5: it's quite an emotional experience for us as we think of, 174 00:10:25,900 --> 00:10:28,020 S5: as I believe you stated in the opening that this 175 00:10:28,020 --> 00:10:31,100 S5: is the first live event from Tory Gray Auditorium on 176 00:10:31,100 --> 00:10:33,940 S5: the satellite this way, meaning that our stations are able 177 00:10:33,940 --> 00:10:36,260 S5: to benefit from it, right as it happens. And there 178 00:10:36,300 --> 00:10:39,699 S5: is something very thrilling about the liveness of it. All 179 00:10:39,740 --> 00:10:42,260 S5: of our stations are getting online at this point. We 180 00:10:42,260 --> 00:10:45,340 S5: still have one station in Chattanooga to get its satellite 181 00:10:45,380 --> 00:10:47,700 S5: receiver Received ish in so that it would make it 182 00:10:47,700 --> 00:10:50,860 S5: possible for them to be able to receive the benefit 183 00:10:50,900 --> 00:10:53,500 S5: of this programming as well. And they're in the process. 184 00:10:54,059 --> 00:10:57,059 S5: Maybe even by tomorrow we'll have their dish in location. 185 00:10:57,500 --> 00:11:01,540 S5: But what it means is that this is the start 186 00:11:01,540 --> 00:11:05,140 S5: and this is our dedication time of this ministry, which 187 00:11:05,140 --> 00:11:09,620 S5: we feel is a pioneering ministry once again, as we 188 00:11:09,620 --> 00:11:14,220 S5: think of Moody broadcasting, getting going 26 in 1926, over 189 00:11:14,220 --> 00:11:18,500 S5: 55 years ago. Now, this is another new start for 190 00:11:18,500 --> 00:11:21,300 S5: us in many ways of for the first time in 191 00:11:21,300 --> 00:11:24,860 S5: our history, being able to tie the network together in 192 00:11:24,860 --> 00:11:28,020 S5: program features such as this and other special programs throughout 193 00:11:28,020 --> 00:11:28,540 S5: the week. 194 00:11:29,260 --> 00:11:30,460 S4: It is so good to. 195 00:11:30,500 --> 00:11:32,940 S1: Hear Bob Neff's voice, and I want you to hear 196 00:11:32,940 --> 00:11:36,699 S1: from Miriam Neff, founder and president of Widow Connection, author 197 00:11:36,700 --> 00:11:39,740 S1: of a dozen books, and wife of that man who 198 00:11:39,740 --> 00:11:43,620 S1: brought Moody into the satellite age. Miriam, what rolls through 199 00:11:43,660 --> 00:11:47,740 S1: your soul when you hear that baritone, that bass voice. 200 00:11:48,340 --> 00:11:51,140 S6: Well, I remember a man of persistence. Of course, he 201 00:11:51,140 --> 00:11:55,179 S6: was my husband and he was a fabulous person, respectable 202 00:11:55,179 --> 00:11:59,140 S6: and and but, you know, he went to FCC to 203 00:11:59,179 --> 00:12:01,860 S6: petition to get on satellite for six years. And they 204 00:12:01,860 --> 00:12:06,140 S6: kept saying, no, you could have other kinds of radio 205 00:12:06,179 --> 00:12:10,939 S6: with a presence on, on satellite, but not Christian broadcasting. 206 00:12:11,179 --> 00:12:14,020 S6: And he'd come home discouraged because they'd said no. And 207 00:12:14,020 --> 00:12:16,500 S6: he went back with a lawyer and he said, but 208 00:12:16,500 --> 00:12:18,780 S6: that's not the final answer. And he'd go back the 209 00:12:18,780 --> 00:12:21,940 S6: next year. And I know people think of Bob as 210 00:12:21,940 --> 00:12:25,340 S6: an initiator. He certainly was that. But when his heart 211 00:12:25,340 --> 00:12:27,980 S6: was attached to something and he knew it was right 212 00:12:27,980 --> 00:12:30,900 S6: to get it done, he did not give up. And 213 00:12:30,900 --> 00:12:34,540 S6: that's why satellite now we have partners in the United 214 00:12:34,540 --> 00:12:39,340 S6: States that have satellite dishes in Africa, in other countries. 215 00:12:39,340 --> 00:12:42,660 S6: And all of that is because of satellite. So it's 216 00:12:42,900 --> 00:12:43,859 S6: it's huge. 217 00:12:44,179 --> 00:12:47,780 S1: And the explosion, you know, at that time, we couldn't 218 00:12:47,780 --> 00:12:50,620 S1: see the internet. We couldn't look down, you know, the 219 00:12:50,620 --> 00:12:52,940 S1: road and see what would happen with the internet and 220 00:12:52,940 --> 00:12:57,100 S1: the explosion there. But at the at that moment, it 221 00:12:57,100 --> 00:12:59,860 S1: was such a cutting edge thing. And there's a lot 222 00:12:59,860 --> 00:13:02,100 S1: about that in the book that you're going to read. 223 00:13:02,100 --> 00:13:05,740 S1: This is Moody Radio. Miriam, do you remember we just 224 00:13:05,740 --> 00:13:08,420 S1: heard from Tony Evans? Do you remember those days of 225 00:13:08,460 --> 00:13:12,339 S1: the beginning of the Urban Alternative and inviting Tony to 226 00:13:12,380 --> 00:13:14,060 S1: come on Moody Radio? 227 00:13:15,059 --> 00:13:20,660 S6: I do, and Tony and Lois were both just such fun, likeable, 228 00:13:20,660 --> 00:13:25,060 S6: respectable people. And he's an was and is an incredible 229 00:13:25,059 --> 00:13:29,500 S6: preacher and gifted speaker. But he has the credentials too. 230 00:13:29,940 --> 00:13:35,140 S6: And Lois was a soft spoken, gentle, just incredible woman. 231 00:13:35,140 --> 00:13:38,140 S6: I found my count myself, blessed to have met her 232 00:13:38,420 --> 00:13:41,140 S6: and then to see his sons that were blessed with 233 00:13:41,420 --> 00:13:45,980 S6: talent for speaking and just see. And then to have him, uh, 234 00:13:46,020 --> 00:13:51,860 S6: be included in the national religious broadcasters as a group. Uh, 235 00:13:51,860 --> 00:13:55,540 S6: there were, there were some, um, how should I say this? 236 00:13:55,540 --> 00:13:59,060 S6: A bit of a cutting edge of things that Bob was, uh, 237 00:13:59,059 --> 00:14:02,260 S6: was involved in and he would say involved in, he 238 00:14:02,260 --> 00:14:05,860 S6: would not claim any great credit for himself, but I'm 239 00:14:05,860 --> 00:14:07,220 S6: his wife, so I'll. 240 00:14:08,500 --> 00:14:09,420 S4: I'll agree. 241 00:14:10,020 --> 00:14:13,380 S1: And the whole idea of launching, I mean, for the, 242 00:14:13,420 --> 00:14:16,660 S1: for the listener who is saying, yeah, that message or 243 00:14:16,700 --> 00:14:19,460 S1: that program or that song or whatever it is that 244 00:14:19,460 --> 00:14:24,300 S1: helped change me. That was a catalyst. But Bob was 245 00:14:24,300 --> 00:14:28,460 S1: a catalyst for others and others under Bob saying yes 246 00:14:28,460 --> 00:14:32,060 S1: to one person or one ministry or another. Give me 247 00:14:32,060 --> 00:14:34,300 S1: your list that you made this morning. 248 00:14:35,140 --> 00:14:41,070 S6: Okay. Um, Gibbs legal. Uh, doctor David Gibbs, who is 249 00:14:41,070 --> 00:14:45,110 S6: a lawyer. He had a program to help churches know 250 00:14:45,110 --> 00:14:47,590 S6: what they could do safely and what they could not 251 00:14:47,590 --> 00:14:52,470 S6: do safely. And also, for instance, whether I, as an educator, 252 00:14:52,470 --> 00:14:55,390 S6: could have my Bible on my desk at work. He 253 00:14:55,390 --> 00:14:57,950 S6: was a legal guy and he had a short program. 254 00:14:57,990 --> 00:15:00,470 S6: And Bob put that on the air because he thought 255 00:15:00,470 --> 00:15:04,990 S6: that was important for people. Ron Hutchcraft had a show 256 00:15:04,990 --> 00:15:08,390 S6: for teenagers, and I can tell you that Ron was 257 00:15:08,390 --> 00:15:10,910 S6: such a gift, you know, with with young people. And 258 00:15:10,910 --> 00:15:13,870 S6: he had this music that they loved on Saturday night. 259 00:15:14,110 --> 00:15:16,870 S6: Bob would go into his office on Monday. The call 260 00:15:16,870 --> 00:15:20,230 S6: slips would be stacked up by his phone of the 261 00:15:20,230 --> 00:15:24,510 S6: people who complained about the music on Saturday. It wasn't 262 00:15:24,550 --> 00:15:28,390 S6: the grand old hymns, and he just said, no, we're 263 00:15:28,390 --> 00:15:34,350 S6: doing it. And, uh, but teenagers were listening to Ron Hutchcraft. 264 00:15:34,350 --> 00:15:39,030 S6: And then there's Mary Lowman, the Christian working woman. There 265 00:15:39,030 --> 00:15:42,910 S6: was no voice like hers on the air talking about 266 00:15:42,910 --> 00:15:47,830 S6: women in the workplace, their challenges. Uh, what? God, uh, 267 00:15:47,830 --> 00:15:51,510 S6: God's strength for them. Where they would be witnesses. And 268 00:15:51,510 --> 00:15:53,870 S6: Bob would get to know these people. First of all, 269 00:15:53,870 --> 00:15:57,430 S6: they were respectable. They had a message, and they needed 270 00:15:57,430 --> 00:16:01,110 S6: to be heard. Would it did it cause did it 271 00:16:01,110 --> 00:16:05,110 S6: make it so that it was a diversity of thoughts and. 272 00:16:05,310 --> 00:16:09,110 S6: But it was all biblically based. So you couldn't complain 273 00:16:09,110 --> 00:16:13,830 S6: about the theology. You couldn't and you couldn't really complain 274 00:16:13,830 --> 00:16:18,550 S6: about the person. But for many people, there were people 275 00:16:18,550 --> 00:16:22,270 S6: that began to listen to Moody broadcasting because of these people, 276 00:16:22,510 --> 00:16:25,870 S6: because they were getting information, they weren't getting any place else. 277 00:16:25,990 --> 00:16:29,990 S6: Now that's a short list, but, uh, midday connection where 278 00:16:29,990 --> 00:16:33,790 S6: there were women talking about different subjects every week. 279 00:16:34,110 --> 00:16:34,310 S4: Okay. 280 00:16:34,350 --> 00:16:37,830 S1: Before that, Miriam, before that, Mr. Meyer Bob was a 281 00:16:37,990 --> 00:16:41,030 S1: champion of the Mayo Clinic that was on the on 282 00:16:41,070 --> 00:16:43,990 S1: the air for a number of years, and then Midday 283 00:16:43,990 --> 00:16:48,830 S1: Connection took its place in that in that time slot. 284 00:16:48,830 --> 00:16:51,030 S1: So there's so much. But here's what I want you 285 00:16:51,030 --> 00:16:56,390 S1: to talk about personally. And that is the the catalyst 286 00:16:56,390 --> 00:16:59,150 S1: that Moody Radio has been in your own life and 287 00:16:59,150 --> 00:17:03,830 S1: that Bob was in your life to believe that you 288 00:17:04,190 --> 00:17:08,310 S1: after he passed away, there was more for you to do. 289 00:17:08,350 --> 00:17:12,190 S1: In a sense, Moody Radio has come alongside you and 290 00:17:12,190 --> 00:17:15,310 S1: has been a catalyst in your own life with Widow Connection. 291 00:17:15,310 --> 00:17:16,070 S1: Is that true? 292 00:17:16,830 --> 00:17:19,109 S6: It is. But you know, one thing I learned from 293 00:17:19,109 --> 00:17:22,550 S6: him you listen to the people, you listen to their need. 294 00:17:22,869 --> 00:17:25,830 S6: And he would go out on Sunday nights to different 295 00:17:25,830 --> 00:17:28,229 S6: churches with Don Cole, and Don would speak and he 296 00:17:28,230 --> 00:17:31,629 S6: would sing and he listened to the people. And that's 297 00:17:31,630 --> 00:17:35,030 S6: what I'm doing in this ministry. When I'm in Africa, 298 00:17:35,070 --> 00:17:37,350 S6: I don't say to a group of poor widows who 299 00:17:37,350 --> 00:17:40,150 S6: are needy, we want to teach you to make these 300 00:17:40,150 --> 00:17:43,189 S6: purses or these candles, and then we'll bring them back. 301 00:17:43,350 --> 00:17:45,909 S6: We say, how can you make a living right here 302 00:17:45,910 --> 00:17:48,950 S6: in your village? And many of them have said, we 303 00:17:48,950 --> 00:17:51,990 S6: don't want to learn tailoring. Okay, I'll buy the sewing machines. 304 00:17:51,990 --> 00:17:56,030 S6: I'll pay the tailor six months, nine months, whatever it takes. 305 00:17:56,230 --> 00:17:59,350 S6: When you graduate, they can make anything any of us 306 00:17:59,350 --> 00:18:02,190 S6: are wearing. So it's okay if you give a fish 307 00:18:02,190 --> 00:18:05,990 S6: to someone, but to teach them to fish that. So 308 00:18:05,990 --> 00:18:10,149 S6: I would say that came from him because I learned 309 00:18:10,150 --> 00:18:12,510 S6: to listen. And the other thing, and I don't know 310 00:18:12,510 --> 00:18:15,910 S6: that I've ever spoken publicly about this before, but when 311 00:18:15,910 --> 00:18:19,230 S6: I first met him at Indiana University on our first date, 312 00:18:19,590 --> 00:18:21,550 S6: he said he was going to work at Moody and 313 00:18:21,550 --> 00:18:23,430 S6: he had a calling. And I'd never heard of Moody, 314 00:18:23,430 --> 00:18:26,390 S6: and I didn't know what a calling is. But the 315 00:18:26,390 --> 00:18:31,350 S6: seventh month after his exit to Heaven, that night when 316 00:18:31,350 --> 00:18:34,190 S6: I couldn't sleep and I had this trouble by seeing 317 00:18:34,190 --> 00:18:37,590 S6: these poor widows in the village where I was. I 318 00:18:37,630 --> 00:18:41,310 S6: had a calling, and no, I did not hear God say, 319 00:18:41,310 --> 00:18:43,470 S6: what are you going to do about it? But I 320 00:18:43,470 --> 00:18:46,190 S6: heard God say, what are you going to do? I 321 00:18:46,190 --> 00:18:49,390 S6: didn't feel a tap on my shoulder, but I felt. 322 00:18:49,430 --> 00:18:51,630 S6: And I think, you know, then the listeners know what 323 00:18:51,630 --> 00:18:55,390 S6: I'm saying. What are you going to do about it? Miriam? Yes. 324 00:18:55,430 --> 00:18:57,670 S6: You can't. And then I had a calling. And then 325 00:18:57,670 --> 00:19:00,510 S6: it's like, I don't care if I sweat under a 326 00:19:00,510 --> 00:19:02,830 S6: mosquito net. I don't care if I have to be. 327 00:19:02,830 --> 00:19:05,950 S6: Where there's the outhouse is a truly an outhouse. And 328 00:19:05,950 --> 00:19:08,150 S6: I'm in a hut. And by the way, I've been 329 00:19:08,150 --> 00:19:11,710 S6: all those places and I like air conditioning and I 330 00:19:11,710 --> 00:19:15,149 S6: like fresh brewed coffee, but I don't need it. But 331 00:19:15,150 --> 00:19:19,790 S6: where did that start? Bob listened. And I, I pray 332 00:19:19,790 --> 00:19:23,910 S6: that I listen to what people need and say, okay, Miriam, 333 00:19:23,910 --> 00:19:25,470 S6: what can I do about that? 334 00:19:26,150 --> 00:19:28,949 S1: Well, I'm glad that he didn't listen to all of 335 00:19:28,950 --> 00:19:31,150 S1: the stacks of those pink slips, and I can still 336 00:19:31,150 --> 00:19:33,150 S1: see them in my mind's eye about the, you know, 337 00:19:33,190 --> 00:19:36,070 S1: the complaints about this or the other thing. If there 338 00:19:36,070 --> 00:19:39,629 S1: is a mission, if there is a purpose behind this, 339 00:19:40,150 --> 00:19:43,230 S1: and music is one of those things that really divides 340 00:19:43,350 --> 00:19:46,070 S1: people and can divide the church in a lot of ways, 341 00:19:46,070 --> 00:19:49,230 S1: still is today in a lot of ways, but it 342 00:19:49,230 --> 00:19:52,310 S1: can also reach around the back door of the heart 343 00:19:52,310 --> 00:19:56,150 S1: and knock in a way that nothing else can. Miriam, 344 00:19:56,150 --> 00:19:58,790 S1: thank you for joining us for just a few minutes. 345 00:19:58,790 --> 00:20:03,830 S1: We're celebrating Moody Radio 100 years this month, and it 346 00:20:03,830 --> 00:20:06,310 S1: was a week ago that I talked with Steve Emerson 347 00:20:06,310 --> 00:20:09,950 S1: about his music, his voice, his ministry that he now 348 00:20:09,950 --> 00:20:12,830 S1: has on Capitol Hill. And one of the things he 349 00:20:12,830 --> 00:20:15,390 S1: said about Moody Radio was that when his songs were 350 00:20:15,390 --> 00:20:18,750 S1: played by Moody, it was a vote of approval, and 351 00:20:18,750 --> 00:20:22,310 S1: there was a sense that his music was validated. And 352 00:20:22,310 --> 00:20:25,310 S1: that same thing is said by our next guest. If 353 00:20:25,350 --> 00:20:27,830 S1: you listen to Moody in the 70s and 80s, you 354 00:20:27,830 --> 00:20:31,990 S1: know the name and the voice of this man, Bert Kittinger. 355 00:20:33,400 --> 00:20:45,480 S7: The Savior is waiting to enter your heart. Why don't 356 00:20:45,480 --> 00:20:55,800 S7: you let him come to me? There's nothing in this 357 00:20:55,800 --> 00:21:07,920 S7: world to keep you apart. What is your answer to him? 358 00:21:08,800 --> 00:21:11,400 S1: All right, here he is. Ladies and gentlemen, live on 359 00:21:11,400 --> 00:21:15,040 S1: Moody Radio. Mr. Bert Kittinger. Bert, how you doing today? 360 00:21:15,880 --> 00:21:18,000 S8: Who was that masked man, anyway? 361 00:21:20,640 --> 00:21:21,800 S9: Oh, there's so many. 362 00:21:21,920 --> 00:21:22,760 S8: Chris, how are you? 363 00:21:22,920 --> 00:21:25,680 S9: I'm doing well, but just just hearing that. Hearing that. 364 00:21:25,680 --> 00:21:29,560 S1: Music. I remember sitting in the studio on the eighth 365 00:21:29,560 --> 00:21:31,840 S1: floor when the network was on the eighth floor and 366 00:21:31,840 --> 00:21:35,000 S1: the studio was there and having a guest come in 367 00:21:35,720 --> 00:21:40,520 S1: and stop. The door closes, the music is on, the 368 00:21:40,560 --> 00:21:44,720 S1: guest stops and just says, ah, Moody radio. There's nothing 369 00:21:44,720 --> 00:21:48,560 S1: like it. There's something about the air chain, you know, 370 00:21:48,600 --> 00:21:52,320 S1: the sound of Moody radio. And my guess is you 371 00:21:52,320 --> 00:21:53,720 S1: feel kind of the same way. 372 00:21:55,320 --> 00:21:58,840 S8: Well, I sure do. In fact, uh, I grew up 373 00:21:58,840 --> 00:22:01,439 S8: in northeastern Ohio. My father was a pastor in the 374 00:22:01,440 --> 00:22:05,119 S8: Cleveland area. I remember back in about 65. Does that 375 00:22:05,119 --> 00:22:10,679 S8: sound right? That CRF came on, and that was exactly 376 00:22:10,680 --> 00:22:15,080 S8: my response back then. I thought, wow, I've needed this. 377 00:22:15,680 --> 00:22:19,440 S8: Having no idea that just a few years later, I'd 378 00:22:19,480 --> 00:22:23,439 S8: be in the Chicago area and starting to darken the 379 00:22:23,440 --> 00:22:24,360 S8: doors of Moody. 380 00:22:25,359 --> 00:22:29,480 S1: Do you agree with Steve Emerson? The the imprimatur. The. 381 00:22:29,480 --> 00:22:32,760 S1: The validation that your music felt when they played it 382 00:22:32,760 --> 00:22:33,360 S1: on Moody. 383 00:22:34,440 --> 00:22:40,959 S8: Well, absolutely. And of course, I had been somewhat appointed. 384 00:22:41,720 --> 00:22:44,880 S8: And Bob Neff, whose wife you just had on that 385 00:22:44,880 --> 00:22:48,840 S8: was reminiscent. Uh, he was one of several guys who 386 00:22:48,840 --> 00:22:54,240 S8: really encouraged me to get involved. First of all, in, uh, 387 00:22:54,720 --> 00:22:59,480 S8: the old Friday night telephone request programs. And then, uh, 388 00:22:59,840 --> 00:23:02,480 S8: Larry Mayfield picked me up, put me into the ensemble 389 00:23:02,520 --> 00:23:06,520 S8: that sang for, uh, moody presents in those days and 390 00:23:06,800 --> 00:23:10,680 S8: various things. And I had no idea at that point 391 00:23:10,720 --> 00:23:13,120 S8: that I was going to lead me out into a 392 00:23:13,119 --> 00:23:20,600 S8: freelance ministry, which lasted for, well, since 1974. And the 393 00:23:20,600 --> 00:23:25,879 S8: fact of the Moody connection, uh, not only was fun 394 00:23:25,880 --> 00:23:28,800 S8: to be part of because stylistically we Fit and all 395 00:23:28,800 --> 00:23:32,760 S8: of that. I love the people they had there. And 396 00:23:33,880 --> 00:23:38,040 S8: also in going out and getting invitations to come to churches, 397 00:23:38,040 --> 00:23:41,840 S8: especially after a few pastors conferences and stuff like that. 398 00:23:42,119 --> 00:23:45,280 S8: They knew I wouldn't be some kook off the wall, 399 00:23:46,480 --> 00:23:49,840 S8: but it kind of was a Good Housekeeping seal of approval. 400 00:23:50,280 --> 00:23:51,160 S8: And that was huge. 401 00:23:51,480 --> 00:23:55,280 S1: Yeah, it was, and it was beneficial to both, you know, 402 00:23:55,320 --> 00:23:57,480 S1: for us to be able to play your music and 403 00:23:57,480 --> 00:24:01,879 S1: then for you as well to be known. There's, there's 404 00:24:01,880 --> 00:24:03,840 S1: so many stories I want you to tell us. There's 405 00:24:03,840 --> 00:24:07,399 S1: something you wrote me, something about what happened in China. 406 00:24:07,640 --> 00:24:09,920 S1: Can you tell me that story? Or when you went 407 00:24:09,920 --> 00:24:11,240 S1: to Japan, was it. 408 00:24:12,119 --> 00:24:15,760 S8: Well, yeah, we went to Japan, uh, for that. It 409 00:24:15,760 --> 00:24:18,200 S8: was a Sears employee who was on a short term 410 00:24:18,200 --> 00:24:20,880 S8: assignment over there for three years. And he said, hey, 411 00:24:20,880 --> 00:24:23,000 S8: we want to bring you over here and do some stuff. 412 00:24:23,000 --> 00:24:28,000 S8: So they I spent most of the month of Uh, December. 413 00:24:28,000 --> 00:24:33,639 S8: And what was it, 87? Something like that. 1987 in 414 00:24:33,680 --> 00:24:37,080 S8: Tokyo in that area. He said, why are you here? 415 00:24:37,080 --> 00:24:40,280 S8: It won't cost you much of anything extra to take 416 00:24:40,280 --> 00:24:43,560 S8: a jaunt into China. So we thought, why not? And 417 00:24:43,560 --> 00:24:47,399 S8: let's take some Bibles in. So we worked with Living 418 00:24:47,400 --> 00:24:54,360 S8: Bibles International and they helped us. They supplied 450 Bibles, 419 00:24:54,520 --> 00:24:57,479 S8: showed us how to pack them and carry them in. 420 00:24:57,920 --> 00:25:00,040 S8: And we did that. And then we had two drop 421 00:25:00,080 --> 00:25:04,600 S8: off points in China, in Beijing. And one of them 422 00:25:04,640 --> 00:25:06,760 S8: is what I related to you, a fellow by the 423 00:25:06,760 --> 00:25:12,080 S8: name Old Tiger, and I met him. I slipped away 424 00:25:12,080 --> 00:25:17,160 S8: from our party and went to the Beijing Hotel in 425 00:25:17,160 --> 00:25:21,359 S8: downtown Beijing. The idea was I walked in carrying a 426 00:25:21,359 --> 00:25:25,040 S8: suitcase full of Bibles, and I set it under a 427 00:25:25,040 --> 00:25:29,159 S8: table somewhere, sit down, have coffee, visit. So that's what 428 00:25:29,160 --> 00:25:31,560 S8: we're doing. And the old tiger came in. Now old tiger. 429 00:25:31,600 --> 00:25:34,040 S1: Okay, I'm going to stop you right there because this 430 00:25:34,040 --> 00:25:38,000 S1: is what they call in the business a tease. Burt. 431 00:25:38,000 --> 00:25:40,840 S1: And and we're going to hear what happened with old 432 00:25:40,920 --> 00:25:44,639 S1: Tiger in our next segment. Burt Hettinger is with us. 433 00:25:44,960 --> 00:25:48,040 S1: How about you? How has Moody Radio made a difference 434 00:25:48,040 --> 00:25:52,880 S1: in your life? Eight. Seven. Seven. Five. Four. Eight. Three. Six. Seven. Five. 435 00:26:02,359 --> 00:26:04,760 S1: Do you know the voice of Burt Kettinger? 436 00:26:06,200 --> 00:26:10,840 S7: I would love to tell you what I think of Jesus. 437 00:26:13,440 --> 00:26:19,160 S7: Since I found in him a friend so kind and true. 438 00:26:19,640 --> 00:26:22,959 S1: No one ever cared for me like Jesus. That's Burt Kettinger. 439 00:26:23,320 --> 00:26:26,490 S1: We're talking with him today, as we remember 100 years 440 00:26:26,490 --> 00:26:29,290 S1: of Moody Radio. Our. Thank you. If you go to 441 00:26:29,290 --> 00:26:34,770 S1: Chris fabriclive.org. Beautiful book pictorial history put together by Kevin 442 00:26:34,770 --> 00:26:38,090 S1: Muggins and Phil Shepherd. This is Moody radio 100 years 443 00:26:38,090 --> 00:26:42,970 S1: proclaiming the gospel. Find out more at Chris fabriclive.org. Okay, 444 00:26:43,010 --> 00:26:46,850 S1: so you go to Japan, you go into China, you're 445 00:26:46,850 --> 00:26:50,810 S1: in Beijing, old tiger, a fella comes in. Tell me 446 00:26:50,810 --> 00:26:52,210 S1: what happened next. 447 00:26:53,410 --> 00:26:58,450 S8: Well, old Tiger had spent 29 years in prison, during 448 00:26:58,450 --> 00:27:01,609 S8: which time his fiancee waited for him that whole time. 449 00:27:01,609 --> 00:27:03,649 S8: And they were married later. This is the kind of 450 00:27:03,690 --> 00:27:06,810 S8: guy he was. But he came in, we sat down. 451 00:27:06,810 --> 00:27:09,129 S8: We were getting acquainted. He asked me, where are you from? 452 00:27:09,170 --> 00:27:15,369 S8: And so I just said, you know, generic, uh, Chicago. Oh, Chicago. 453 00:27:16,250 --> 00:27:22,410 S8: Moody Bible Institute. He said radio pastor Donald Cole. I 454 00:27:22,450 --> 00:27:26,290 S8: listened to him every morning. He gets my day going 455 00:27:26,609 --> 00:27:31,810 S8: through Febc Far East Broadcasting and. And there was more 456 00:27:31,810 --> 00:27:36,370 S8: to the conversation, but I thought to myself, wow. And 457 00:27:36,810 --> 00:27:41,250 S8: he then capped off our conversation by saying how much 458 00:27:41,250 --> 00:27:45,170 S8: he prayed for Moody and for Wheaton College, and that 459 00:27:45,170 --> 00:27:47,770 S8: they would stay true to their calling and not go 460 00:27:47,810 --> 00:27:50,690 S8: the direction of Yale and Harvard. And I thought, this 461 00:27:50,690 --> 00:27:53,450 S8: guy knows better part of our history than a lot 462 00:27:53,450 --> 00:27:57,290 S8: of us do. Yes. And it reminded me of the 463 00:27:57,290 --> 00:28:03,250 S8: far reaching, uh, ability of radio and not just to 464 00:28:03,250 --> 00:28:06,970 S8: these guys who are in sort of leadership and ministry, 465 00:28:06,970 --> 00:28:10,209 S8: but to the common people who have these little tiny 466 00:28:10,210 --> 00:28:15,850 S8: transistor radios, and that's their lifeline. And they're around the 467 00:28:15,850 --> 00:28:19,210 S8: other side of the world, and we're touching them from 468 00:28:19,210 --> 00:28:22,609 S8: here in Chicago. That's amazing. 469 00:28:23,010 --> 00:28:26,210 S1: Well, and then you think of the the word, you know, 470 00:28:26,250 --> 00:28:29,050 S1: smuggling a Bible in and how much we take for 471 00:28:29,050 --> 00:28:32,369 S1: granted the Bibles, the how many translations we, you know, 472 00:28:32,410 --> 00:28:35,490 S1: and how much access we have. And even today there 473 00:28:35,530 --> 00:28:38,050 S1: are people who don't have the scriptures they can hold 474 00:28:38,050 --> 00:28:41,490 S1: in their hands in their own heart language. Um, there's 475 00:28:41,490 --> 00:28:43,490 S1: another fellow with me here, Bert. I want to bring 476 00:28:43,490 --> 00:28:47,850 S1: Joe Carlson in, who worked with Moody Radio for more 477 00:28:47,850 --> 00:28:52,490 S1: than 30 years. He is now chaplain with Chicagoland Prison Outreach. Joe, 478 00:28:52,530 --> 00:28:54,570 S1: you were telling me before we went on the program 479 00:28:54,570 --> 00:28:58,050 S1: about you working on a program with Bert, what was that? 480 00:28:58,090 --> 00:29:01,450 S10: Well, in the early days, we wore lots of hats, 481 00:29:01,490 --> 00:29:06,930 S10: and one of the assignments was, uh. They brought bird 482 00:29:06,930 --> 00:29:10,010 S10: in to do a new song that had been a 483 00:29:10,010 --> 00:29:14,410 S10: continuing program that Moody produced. It was a, I think 484 00:29:14,410 --> 00:29:19,330 S10: it was a 15 minute music program recorded in studio B. 485 00:29:20,050 --> 00:29:22,090 S8: I believe minutes and 30s. 486 00:29:22,130 --> 00:29:25,610 S10: That's right. And it was Bert. Bert, did you, uh, 487 00:29:25,610 --> 00:29:28,570 S10: was it Ines and Phasic on, uh, John Innes on 488 00:29:28,570 --> 00:29:31,690 S10: key keyboard and Phasic on the on the organ. 489 00:29:32,490 --> 00:29:35,530 S8: Well, uh, I never had them both at the same time. 490 00:29:35,570 --> 00:29:36,050 S10: Okay. 491 00:29:36,170 --> 00:29:40,330 S8: It was it was almost entirely John Innes once in 492 00:29:40,330 --> 00:29:41,650 S8: a while. Dave. Brackley. 493 00:29:41,770 --> 00:29:43,850 S10: Oh. David. Brackley. Okay. Okay. 494 00:29:44,090 --> 00:29:47,570 S8: So we did the telephone request thing with with Phasic 495 00:29:47,570 --> 00:29:49,370 S8: and all the rest of it. Right. Yeah. 496 00:29:49,770 --> 00:29:53,170 S10: But I remember, I think it was the last set 497 00:29:53,170 --> 00:29:56,730 S10: of new a new song programs that I had the 498 00:29:56,730 --> 00:30:02,050 S10: privilege of mixing and recording in studio B and what a, 499 00:30:02,370 --> 00:30:04,690 S10: when you were playing that song that came out of 500 00:30:04,690 --> 00:30:08,210 S10: the break that sounded just like studio B. 501 00:30:08,490 --> 00:30:09,210 S1: Bingo. 502 00:30:09,490 --> 00:30:10,410 S10: Studio B. 503 00:30:11,130 --> 00:30:12,650 S1: And that sign that. 504 00:30:12,690 --> 00:30:14,290 S8: Was just piano and organ. 505 00:30:14,330 --> 00:30:15,010 S10: Yes. 506 00:30:15,170 --> 00:30:18,530 S1: Bert, do you remember that sign? Um, that was on 507 00:30:18,530 --> 00:30:22,250 S1: the wall and it has been there from the 1920s on. 508 00:30:22,850 --> 00:30:24,050 S8: Um, a picture of it. 509 00:30:24,370 --> 00:30:28,610 S1: Do you really? What is that? And the, uh, reach 510 00:30:28,610 --> 00:30:32,530 S1: of music into the heart. There's, there's, there are things 511 00:30:32,530 --> 00:30:37,810 S1: that a prayerfully sung song can do in a heart 512 00:30:38,130 --> 00:30:40,770 S1: that nothing else can do in the same way. Do 513 00:30:40,770 --> 00:30:41,690 S1: you agree with that? 514 00:30:42,450 --> 00:30:49,250 S8: Oh, absolutely. There's a power in music, for good or evil. And, uh, 515 00:30:50,250 --> 00:30:52,650 S8: Ronn Huff taught me years ago. He said, you know, 516 00:30:52,810 --> 00:30:56,170 S8: I don't do anything secular, not because it's all wrong. 517 00:30:56,170 --> 00:30:59,610 S8: It isn't, but because why would I waste my time 518 00:30:59,930 --> 00:31:03,050 S8: with a message that's empty when I have the same 519 00:31:03,050 --> 00:31:06,770 S8: musical textures available in the Christian realm and I can 520 00:31:06,770 --> 00:31:11,010 S8: get a message through. And there's there's something about music 521 00:31:11,050 --> 00:31:14,250 S8: that keeps it rattling in your head and that message 522 00:31:14,250 --> 00:31:17,690 S8: gets in. How many songs can you go back and 523 00:31:17,730 --> 00:31:20,530 S8: get from your youth, and you can still remember all 524 00:31:20,530 --> 00:31:24,890 S8: the words because they were drilled in and the truth 525 00:31:24,890 --> 00:31:27,530 S8: with them. It's a power. 526 00:31:27,930 --> 00:31:32,490 S1: And the generational context of that because I, I agree 527 00:31:32,490 --> 00:31:35,290 S1: with what Miriam said, you know, that there were complaints 528 00:31:35,290 --> 00:31:38,610 S1: about music because we. But we would hear the same 529 00:31:38,610 --> 00:31:42,170 S1: thing from kids are. Yeah, they. My parents had moody on. 530 00:31:42,210 --> 00:31:44,330 S1: They were driving us to school. And I remember, you know, 531 00:31:44,370 --> 00:31:48,370 S1: these and these same hymns that they heard as kids 532 00:31:48,610 --> 00:31:53,370 S1: are things that they are living today because, as you say, 533 00:31:53,370 --> 00:31:56,930 S1: they were drilled in or they were just accessible and 534 00:31:56,930 --> 00:32:00,490 S1: they caught the heart. Not everybody, but they catch you 535 00:32:00,490 --> 00:32:01,930 S1: in the heart, don't they? 536 00:32:02,330 --> 00:32:06,170 S8: You know that that has been around forever. That attitude. 537 00:32:06,370 --> 00:32:09,370 S8: I mean, you go back 300 years to Isaac Watts. 538 00:32:10,250 --> 00:32:13,730 S8: He was griping to his dad how boring the music was. 539 00:32:13,770 --> 00:32:17,500 S8: His dad, he was a teenager. And his dad says, well, son, 540 00:32:17,500 --> 00:32:18,740 S8: do you think you can do better? 541 00:32:19,180 --> 00:32:19,580 S1: MM. 542 00:32:19,940 --> 00:32:23,100 S8: Actually, dad, I think I can. So, you know, we've got, 543 00:32:23,660 --> 00:32:28,740 S8: you know, over a thousand tongues and songs that are marvelous, 544 00:32:28,740 --> 00:32:32,180 S8: but they came out of the same kind of griping 545 00:32:32,220 --> 00:32:35,780 S8: of the musical textures. 546 00:32:36,860 --> 00:32:40,420 S1: I'm so glad that you were there, Burt. And you 547 00:32:40,420 --> 00:32:43,140 S1: said that you were in the 60s. You were in Cleveland. 548 00:32:43,140 --> 00:32:47,020 S1: So you came to Moody in Chicago in the 70s. 549 00:32:47,060 --> 00:32:47,780 S1: Is that right? 550 00:32:48,660 --> 00:32:52,740 S8: Yeah, we moved to Wheaton in 1972 to facilitate grad school. 551 00:32:52,740 --> 00:32:56,380 S8: I was doing a master's downtown at the American Conservatory 552 00:32:56,380 --> 00:32:58,020 S8: of Music. Wow. 553 00:32:58,740 --> 00:32:59,820 S1: I am so glad. 554 00:32:59,940 --> 00:33:03,100 S8: From one commuting from one city to another, we were 555 00:33:03,100 --> 00:33:03,940 S8: in a little league. 556 00:33:05,380 --> 00:33:07,940 S1: Well, as I said to Tony Evans and I. And 557 00:33:07,940 --> 00:33:10,940 S1: I said to Miriam and about Bob, and I'll say 558 00:33:10,940 --> 00:33:15,980 S1: to you, I am so glad that your path intersected, 559 00:33:15,980 --> 00:33:19,260 S1: your paths intersected with moody radio. Through the years, I 560 00:33:19,260 --> 00:33:22,540 S1: can't thank you enough for giving us some some memories 561 00:33:22,540 --> 00:33:25,540 S1: here today at the Radio Backyard fence. There he is, 562 00:33:25,980 --> 00:33:27,100 S1: Burt Kittinger. 563 00:33:27,980 --> 00:33:38,100 S7: For me, like Jesus. There's no other friend so kind 564 00:33:39,500 --> 00:33:48,060 S7: as he. No one else could take the sin and 565 00:33:48,060 --> 00:34:07,420 S7: darkness from me. Oh, how much he cares. For. Me. 566 00:34:16,739 --> 00:34:20,259 S1: If you go to page 133 in the book. This 567 00:34:20,260 --> 00:34:23,060 S1: is Moody Radio. I'll be doing that all year long. 568 00:34:23,219 --> 00:34:27,340 S1: All month long, maybe all year. There is a list 569 00:34:27,340 --> 00:34:32,300 S1: from 1984. Joe. And you came. You studied at Moody. 570 00:34:32,500 --> 00:34:36,900 S1: Early 80s. Didn't you start full time work at around 83, 82? 571 00:34:36,940 --> 00:34:38,780 S10: I started full time in 85. 572 00:34:38,820 --> 00:34:42,939 S1: 85. Okay. Um, so here is a list of the 573 00:34:42,940 --> 00:34:50,660 S1: top 30 artists from 1984 as judged by Moody listeners. 574 00:34:51,100 --> 00:34:56,220 S1: And number 30 was Bill Pierce. John Ennis was number 29. Uh, 575 00:34:56,340 --> 00:35:00,060 S1: Sandi Patty was number 24. Wow. That was early in 576 00:35:00,060 --> 00:35:04,219 S1: her career, I think. Dallas Holm, 22. Keith Green was 19. 577 00:35:04,219 --> 00:35:06,020 S1: I don't I think we only played like 2 or 578 00:35:06,020 --> 00:35:07,980 S1: 3 songs at the time. 579 00:35:08,020 --> 00:35:08,860 S10: Two songs. 580 00:35:08,900 --> 00:35:15,100 S1: Yeah. Uh, Dino Kartsonakis, Myrna White. Hey, Myrna. The Imperials, 581 00:35:15,100 --> 00:35:16,180 S1: Dave Boyer. 582 00:35:16,460 --> 00:35:16,580 S10: Uh. 583 00:35:16,580 --> 00:35:20,340 S1: Huh. Um, now, here is Frank Boggs. Is number 11. 584 00:35:20,340 --> 00:35:20,700 S10: Wow. 585 00:35:21,420 --> 00:35:25,620 S1: Amy Grant's number ten. So Amy just edged Frank out 586 00:35:25,620 --> 00:35:29,339 S1: a little bit, and Cynthia Clawson was number 12. Number nine, 587 00:35:29,340 --> 00:35:30,340 S1: Bert Kettinger. 588 00:35:30,380 --> 00:35:30,780 S10: Wow. 589 00:35:31,540 --> 00:35:36,380 S1: Um, number five, Haven of rest. Six is Christine Wurtzen. 590 00:35:36,380 --> 00:35:40,779 S1: And then number four is Johnny number three, Bev Shea 591 00:35:40,820 --> 00:35:45,460 S1: number two, the Gaithers. And number one was Evie. Evie Turnquist. Yes. 592 00:35:45,460 --> 00:35:48,940 S1: So I think if Bert had dropped the Kettinger and 593 00:35:48,940 --> 00:35:53,740 S1: been just Bert, he'd been. It could have been Evie, 594 00:35:53,780 --> 00:35:56,580 S1: Johnny and Bert. Wouldn't that be a great trio? 595 00:35:56,620 --> 00:35:57,980 S10: That'd be changing time. 596 00:35:59,340 --> 00:36:02,020 S1: Joe. One of the reasons why I wanted to have 597 00:36:02,020 --> 00:36:05,620 S1: you on here is because you have this concept of 598 00:36:06,140 --> 00:36:10,899 S1: the passage of time and the people who made Moody Radio. 599 00:36:11,420 --> 00:36:14,220 S1: What it was, what it is and what it will be. 600 00:36:15,340 --> 00:36:18,339 S1: So you've got that history of working very closely with 601 00:36:18,340 --> 00:36:20,299 S1: a number of these people. I didn't even know that 602 00:36:20,300 --> 00:36:21,380 S1: you did that with bird. 603 00:36:21,420 --> 00:36:21,820 S10: Yeah. 604 00:36:22,060 --> 00:36:26,340 S1: But you've also got that whole catalyst thing because Moody 605 00:36:26,340 --> 00:36:30,379 S1: Radio did something in you that has launched you. And 606 00:36:30,380 --> 00:36:32,540 S1: I want to talk about that in our final segment. 607 00:36:32,540 --> 00:36:35,339 S1: So we'll come back. We'll talk with Joe again if 608 00:36:35,380 --> 00:36:38,259 S1: you'd like a copy of This is Moody Radio 100 609 00:36:38,260 --> 00:36:41,620 S1: Years Proclaiming the gospel. We have a link at Chris 610 00:36:41,660 --> 00:36:45,259 S1: Fabry live.org. Give a gift of any size, be as 611 00:36:45,260 --> 00:36:47,780 S1: generous as you can, and we'll send you a copy 612 00:36:47,780 --> 00:37:03,419 S1: of this beautiful book. Let's go to Chris fabry.org. Joe 613 00:37:03,420 --> 00:37:07,100 S1: Carlson produced a lot of programs with Moody Radio through 614 00:37:07,100 --> 00:37:11,739 S1: the years. Open line Living a legacy with Crawford, radical 615 00:37:11,739 --> 00:37:15,460 S1: with David Platt proclaimed with doctor stole. Parenting today's teens 616 00:37:15,460 --> 00:37:20,020 S1: with Mark Gregson. Gregson you did the was aired on 617 00:37:20,060 --> 00:37:23,060 S1: Moody the Michael card in the studio with Michael Card 618 00:37:23,380 --> 00:37:26,100 S1: and Chris Fabry live at that point. That was your 619 00:37:26,100 --> 00:37:30,660 S1: low point know working with us. Um, and you've heard 620 00:37:30,660 --> 00:37:34,140 S1: these stories from Tony, from Miriam, from Bert. What's rolling 621 00:37:34,140 --> 00:37:34,980 S1: around your soul? 622 00:37:35,219 --> 00:37:38,620 S10: Uh, well, just finishing with Bert when you were playing 623 00:37:38,660 --> 00:37:41,020 S10: the when they were playing the songs with the organ 624 00:37:41,020 --> 00:37:44,580 S10: and piano, you can hear studio B, there's a sound, 625 00:37:44,580 --> 00:37:48,259 S10: there's a tone to the room. And, uh. And when 626 00:37:48,260 --> 00:37:52,580 S10: you think that Moody radio for, for decades invested in 627 00:37:52,580 --> 00:37:57,140 S10: creating original music so that it wasn't just off of 628 00:37:57,140 --> 00:37:59,580 S10: a can, it was something that was personal. It was 629 00:37:59,580 --> 00:38:03,580 S10: something that was Moody's. But it wasn't just our song. Moody. 630 00:38:03,860 --> 00:38:08,190 S10: Moody captured the song that we're supposed to sing, And 631 00:38:08,230 --> 00:38:09,710 S10: it was such a privilege to be a part of 632 00:38:09,710 --> 00:38:13,350 S10: all of that. We stand on big shoulders as I'm 633 00:38:13,350 --> 00:38:17,150 S10: sitting here just thinking of, you know, launching a ministry 634 00:38:17,150 --> 00:38:20,750 S10: like Tony Evans. And when I think of Bob Neff, 635 00:38:20,750 --> 00:38:24,430 S10: I think what a godly man. It's like unbelievable what 636 00:38:24,430 --> 00:38:28,110 S10: he was able to achieve, what he was up against. 637 00:38:28,790 --> 00:38:33,470 S10: And so unassuming. Yeah. Um, and. 638 00:38:33,469 --> 00:38:36,430 S1: Started at the bottom. He was in tape duplicate or 639 00:38:36,670 --> 00:38:40,390 S1: doing something. I've seen pictures of him. He's very bottom 640 00:38:40,390 --> 00:38:42,510 S1: all the way up to the very top. 641 00:38:42,790 --> 00:38:46,629 S10: Um, and then, uh, when we were talking about the 642 00:38:46,630 --> 00:38:48,830 S10: sign in the studio, and I should know this because 643 00:38:48,830 --> 00:38:51,790 S10: we've seen that sign forever. Okay. And all I can 644 00:38:51,790 --> 00:38:55,510 S10: remember is seeing your song sing it prayerfully. It could 645 00:38:55,550 --> 00:38:57,550 S10: be used to save a soul. I don't know exactly 646 00:38:57,550 --> 00:38:58,190 S10: how that. 647 00:38:58,230 --> 00:39:01,310 S1: Your song may be used to save a soul. Sing 648 00:39:01,310 --> 00:39:01,950 S1: it prayerfully. 649 00:39:01,950 --> 00:39:03,710 S10: Yes. Okay. So it takes a while. I mean, you 650 00:39:03,710 --> 00:39:06,950 S10: see these things, you take it for granted until something 651 00:39:06,950 --> 00:39:08,710 S10: like at this moment, what do you remember? It's like, 652 00:39:08,710 --> 00:39:11,669 S10: oh yeah, that was important. That was because we put 653 00:39:11,670 --> 00:39:15,229 S10: the sign on the wall because it was important. And 654 00:39:15,230 --> 00:39:17,550 S10: so many Christian artists that would come and do something 655 00:39:17,550 --> 00:39:19,750 S10: in studio B, you've had them on your studio, on 656 00:39:19,790 --> 00:39:22,790 S10: your show, and they see that sign and they they 657 00:39:22,830 --> 00:39:25,230 S10: pause and they want to take a picture with it 658 00:39:25,430 --> 00:39:29,910 S10: because it encapsulates a sign on the wall. And, and 659 00:39:29,910 --> 00:39:31,310 S10: so as we were trying to, I was trying to 660 00:39:31,310 --> 00:39:33,670 S10: remember exactly how that sign was. I was thinking of 661 00:39:33,670 --> 00:39:37,029 S10: other things that I always would hear. And working with 662 00:39:37,030 --> 00:39:41,069 S10: Pastor Cole, I was I worked on the Christian perspectives 663 00:39:41,070 --> 00:39:45,310 S10: on the news. And that was his, you know, kind 664 00:39:45,350 --> 00:39:49,910 S10: of like a news commentary program. But every program started 665 00:39:49,910 --> 00:39:53,270 S10: the same. And it was these lines. I was able 666 00:39:53,270 --> 00:39:56,669 S10: to write it. In these days of change and transition, 667 00:39:56,670 --> 00:39:59,750 S10: there is one constant, the Word of God. 668 00:40:00,469 --> 00:40:01,069 S1: Yes. 669 00:40:01,350 --> 00:40:03,270 S10: Okay. That's today. 670 00:40:03,590 --> 00:40:07,989 S1: They asked him to do God's news behind the news. Originally, 671 00:40:07,989 --> 00:40:11,350 S1: that's what they said you would. And he refused. He said, no, 672 00:40:11,350 --> 00:40:13,430 S1: I'm not going to tell you. This is exactly how 673 00:40:13,430 --> 00:40:16,270 S1: God views, you know, every news event. It's like, I'm 674 00:40:16,270 --> 00:40:19,629 S1: going to give you a perspective, my perspective on what 675 00:40:19,630 --> 00:40:23,230 S1: is going on. And that. And with Open Line and 676 00:40:23,230 --> 00:40:26,230 S1: his Bible questions, it was very much, I'm not going 677 00:40:26,270 --> 00:40:28,590 S1: to tell you what to think about what the Bible says. 678 00:40:28,590 --> 00:40:32,350 S1: I want to teach you how to think and then 679 00:40:32,350 --> 00:40:33,710 S1: make it your own. Right? 680 00:40:33,710 --> 00:40:38,310 S10: Yes, yes. But then the next line from this vantage point, yes, 681 00:40:38,670 --> 00:40:40,950 S10: it's like, oh, that is exactly what it is. It's 682 00:40:40,950 --> 00:40:43,109 S10: a vantage point. It's from the Word of God that 683 00:40:43,110 --> 00:40:46,870 S10: we can see what's going on. And, and he would 684 00:40:46,870 --> 00:40:50,830 S10: write those shows so that he wouldn't get in the way. 685 00:40:50,830 --> 00:40:53,629 S10: And I remember there was always conversation, oh, they should 686 00:40:53,630 --> 00:40:57,790 S10: change it to a Christian's perspective on the news. And 687 00:40:57,790 --> 00:41:00,150 S10: it's like, kind of misses the point that, no, we're, 688 00:41:00,350 --> 00:41:03,029 S10: we're trying to get vantage from the word of God 689 00:41:03,590 --> 00:41:07,390 S10: and we talk about an issue respectfully. He had always 690 00:41:07,390 --> 00:41:11,230 S10: tried to understand someone's perspective. He'd always, you know, and 691 00:41:11,230 --> 00:41:12,950 S10: then he would kind of give his own. But it 692 00:41:12,950 --> 00:41:16,390 S10: wouldn't be like a, you know, the loudness of what 693 00:41:16,390 --> 00:41:19,109 S10: we're used to today. Yes. There was a way to 694 00:41:19,150 --> 00:41:22,070 S10: approach it. You could hear it, but you could disagree 695 00:41:22,070 --> 00:41:25,190 S10: with them. But you better have a reason why. Right. 696 00:41:25,230 --> 00:41:27,830 S1: You had to think hard about the way that he 697 00:41:27,830 --> 00:41:31,630 S1: thought through it. Yes. Which takes us to a clip 698 00:41:31,630 --> 00:41:34,750 S1: that I found today. And this is for today to 699 00:41:35,350 --> 00:41:39,029 S1: the content of this is exactly what we're talking about. 700 00:41:39,230 --> 00:41:42,989 S1: I think he gave this message at some conference. It 701 00:41:42,989 --> 00:41:45,510 S1: could have been Founder's Week, but this is radio pastor 702 00:41:45,510 --> 00:41:46,390 S1: Donald Cole. 703 00:41:46,830 --> 00:41:50,630 S11: The word was given to Hezekiah, who was crying about 704 00:41:50,630 --> 00:41:53,669 S11: the disaster that was going to come upon Judah. Well, 705 00:41:53,670 --> 00:41:57,750 S11: it's not going to happen in your time. And Hezekiah 706 00:41:57,750 --> 00:42:01,870 S11: said there will be peace in our time. And he 707 00:42:01,870 --> 00:42:04,469 S11: was happy. Well, I always thought that that was a 708 00:42:04,469 --> 00:42:09,270 S11: contemptible kind of attitude on the part of Hezekiah, inasmuch 709 00:42:09,270 --> 00:42:12,790 S11: as disaster was going to happen. I no longer think 710 00:42:12,790 --> 00:42:16,950 S11: that way. Why? Well, it seems to me that if 711 00:42:16,989 --> 00:42:22,350 S11: you get a generation of peace, then that's a great accomplishment. 712 00:42:23,510 --> 00:42:28,030 S11: And we don't really have to worry too much about 713 00:42:28,030 --> 00:42:31,750 S11: the next generation or the generation to come. They can 714 00:42:31,750 --> 00:42:34,710 S11: cope with their own problems. We will have gone home 715 00:42:34,710 --> 00:42:39,230 S11: to heaven by that time. I sometimes transfer that to 716 00:42:39,270 --> 00:42:44,990 S11: my thoughts for my children and my grandchildren. In some respects, 717 00:42:44,989 --> 00:42:48,310 S11: I'm an optimist. In other respects, I'm a pessimist as 718 00:42:48,310 --> 00:42:53,469 S11: I think of the future of the country, and then 719 00:42:53,469 --> 00:42:55,509 S11: I think of my grandchildren and I say, what kind 720 00:42:55,510 --> 00:42:58,310 S11: of world are they going to live in? And what 721 00:42:58,310 --> 00:43:01,110 S11: kind of world are my great grandchildren going to live in? 722 00:43:02,350 --> 00:43:05,350 S11: And then I comfort myself with the thought that they're 723 00:43:05,350 --> 00:43:07,229 S11: going to live in exactly the same kind of world. 724 00:43:07,230 --> 00:43:09,750 S11: I'm living in a world in which God is on 725 00:43:09,750 --> 00:43:12,390 S11: the throne and has said, I will never leave you 726 00:43:12,430 --> 00:43:15,910 S11: nor forsake you. That's the kind of world they're going 727 00:43:15,950 --> 00:43:19,989 S11: to live in. Moses was born at the worst time 728 00:43:20,390 --> 00:43:23,469 S11: in Israel's history. Could anybody ever have been born at 729 00:43:23,469 --> 00:43:27,430 S11: a worse time than Moses when boy babies were being murdered? 730 00:43:28,030 --> 00:43:31,390 S11: And yet, when Moses was born, his parents said, he 731 00:43:31,390 --> 00:43:35,190 S11: is a goodly child. And they rejoiced in that baby, 732 00:43:35,830 --> 00:43:38,390 S11: and they kept that baby alive. That's something to tell 733 00:43:38,390 --> 00:43:42,549 S11: young people who shortly after marriage say, I guess we're 734 00:43:42,550 --> 00:43:44,709 S11: not going to have any children. It's an awful world. 735 00:43:44,710 --> 00:43:47,030 S11: Who wants to bring children into a world like this? 736 00:43:47,430 --> 00:43:52,910 S11: And I usually say, well, Jochebed was one, and they 737 00:43:52,910 --> 00:43:56,230 S11: brought Moses into the world at a pretty rotten time. 738 00:43:57,150 --> 00:44:00,319 S11: And look what happened to Moses. Look what happened to 739 00:44:00,360 --> 00:44:03,359 S11: the world as a result of his birth. 740 00:44:04,160 --> 00:44:05,520 S1: Doesn't that speak to your heart, Joe? 741 00:44:05,560 --> 00:44:07,120 S10: Wow. He doesn't play around. 742 00:44:07,160 --> 00:44:08,000 S1: No, he does not. 743 00:44:08,040 --> 00:44:11,160 S10: I mean, he didn't. He just said it. You know, 744 00:44:11,719 --> 00:44:15,000 S10: and there's a a power to it and a kindness 745 00:44:15,000 --> 00:44:16,440 S10: at the same time. Yes. 746 00:44:16,760 --> 00:44:20,879 S1: And understanding and also looking as we listen back, it's 747 00:44:20,880 --> 00:44:23,880 S1: like what he was talking about has happened. Now his 748 00:44:23,880 --> 00:44:26,360 S1: children his grandchildren are here. 749 00:44:26,400 --> 00:44:30,560 S10: Right. Um, you know, I there was a line that 750 00:44:30,560 --> 00:44:33,400 S10: Pastor Cole would always talk, especially when we would be 751 00:44:33,400 --> 00:44:37,160 S10: doing fundraisers. He said, we're not we don't peddle the gospel. 752 00:44:38,280 --> 00:44:44,319 S10: And I'm looking at, uh, second Corinthians chapter two. He 753 00:44:44,320 --> 00:44:49,160 S10: says in chapter two, verse 17, unlike so many, we 754 00:44:49,160 --> 00:44:53,040 S10: do not peddle the Word of God for profit. On 755 00:44:53,040 --> 00:44:56,960 S10: the contrary, in Christ we speak before God with sincerity, 756 00:44:57,320 --> 00:45:03,640 S10: like men sent by God. And that is just a 757 00:45:03,680 --> 00:45:05,360 S10: humble legacy to step into. 758 00:45:06,200 --> 00:45:09,760 S1: Well, and it's exactly what happened with you. Um, after 759 00:45:09,760 --> 00:45:12,160 S1: all these years working in booty radio and doing all 760 00:45:12,160 --> 00:45:15,600 S1: these programs. ET cetera. ET cetera. What does Joe do? 761 00:45:16,239 --> 00:45:20,920 S1: He gets a hankering to go into prison ministry and to, 762 00:45:20,960 --> 00:45:23,680 S1: and to sit across in a group of men or 763 00:45:23,680 --> 00:45:27,359 S1: one on one and minister to people. And the same 764 00:45:27,360 --> 00:45:29,920 S1: thing you were doing with Pastor Cole and Bible questions 765 00:45:29,920 --> 00:45:33,520 S1: and answers you're doing in the presence of those who 766 00:45:33,560 --> 00:45:36,880 S1: are facing some really hard times. That's the kind of 767 00:45:36,920 --> 00:45:39,200 S1: catalyst that Moody Radio was in your life. 768 00:45:39,320 --> 00:45:44,480 S10: Absolutely. I feel like I'm doing five minute, uh, open 769 00:45:44,480 --> 00:45:47,480 S10: line shows because guys come up and they ask these 770 00:45:47,480 --> 00:45:51,799 S10: questions and, uh, from a perspective, when you see the 771 00:45:51,800 --> 00:45:54,600 S10: face and it's like, what do I say? What do 772 00:45:54,600 --> 00:45:58,480 S10: I say? Holy spirit tells you what to say. And 773 00:45:58,480 --> 00:46:00,560 S10: then I think, I think Pastor Cole would be really 774 00:46:00,560 --> 00:46:01,360 S10: pleased with me. 775 00:46:01,719 --> 00:46:04,520 S1: Yes, I do. And Naomi would as well, because you 776 00:46:04,680 --> 00:46:05,720 S1: are the living word. 777 00:46:06,000 --> 00:46:08,000 S10: The living word for years. Yeah. 778 00:46:08,040 --> 00:46:10,440 S1: Okay. We got a call a time out. So that's 779 00:46:10,440 --> 00:46:13,640 S1: our program for today. On Wednesday, we're coming back. Wayne 780 00:46:13,640 --> 00:46:15,799 S1: Shepherd's going to be here. Ruth Dinwiddie's going to be 781 00:46:15,880 --> 00:46:18,200 S1: Wow and others. And it's going to be a lot 782 00:46:18,200 --> 00:46:20,759 S1: of fun. But you've just heard from what Joe said 783 00:46:20,800 --> 00:46:25,120 S1: and Bert said and Doctor Evans and Miriam two the heart, 784 00:46:25,440 --> 00:46:28,840 S1: the heart is coming through on Moody Radio, which is 785 00:46:28,960 --> 00:46:31,640 S1: the gospel. Yes. That is the power of God. That's 786 00:46:31,640 --> 00:46:35,600 S1: what will change. And we hope that we continue that 787 00:46:35,600 --> 00:46:39,920 S1: today and tomorrow. And and for as long as Moody 788 00:46:39,920 --> 00:46:43,440 S1: Radio is around. Thanks, Joe, and thank you for listening. Friends. 789 00:46:43,480 --> 00:46:45,960 S1: Chris Fabry Live is a production of Moody Radio, a 790 00:46:45,960 --> 00:46:48,240 S1: Ministry of Moody Bible Institute.