1 00:00:05,680 --> 00:00:08,159 S1: It is going to be a grand Christmas today at 2 00:00:08,160 --> 00:00:10,960 S1: the radio backyard fence. That's right friends, we are calling 3 00:00:10,960 --> 00:00:14,520 S1: all grandparents to join us today to answer some good questions. 4 00:00:14,520 --> 00:00:17,479 S1: The first one is from our Facebook page. What is 5 00:00:17,480 --> 00:00:21,360 S1: the best thing about having grandchildren at Christmas? Tell me 6 00:00:21,360 --> 00:00:29,720 S1: the joy of Grandparenting around Christmas (877) 548-3675 Michael Card was 7 00:00:29,720 --> 00:00:32,480 S1: with us yesterday. He talked about several of his grandchildren 8 00:00:32,479 --> 00:00:35,639 S1: living within a mile of him, and that yesterday he 9 00:00:35,640 --> 00:00:39,280 S1: put together three Christmas presents for them. And when he 10 00:00:39,280 --> 00:00:42,280 S1: started talking about those grandchildren, you could just hear it 11 00:00:42,280 --> 00:00:46,519 S1: in his voice. Something happens. I have not experienced it yet, 12 00:00:46,760 --> 00:00:48,840 S1: but I can see it and I can hear it 13 00:00:48,840 --> 00:00:51,840 S1: and intuit it. So that is the first question. What 14 00:00:51,840 --> 00:00:58,960 S1: is the best thing about having grandchildren at Christmas? (877) 548-3675 15 00:00:59,000 --> 00:01:02,050 S1: the second question. Well, let me hold that one until 16 00:01:02,050 --> 00:01:05,210 S1: after I introduce our guest today. He's written our featured resource. 17 00:01:05,209 --> 00:01:09,289 S1: It's a 90 day devotional titled A Grand Way to Live. 18 00:01:09,730 --> 00:01:13,250 S1: It's for grandparents will talk about all things Grandparenting straight 19 00:01:13,250 --> 00:01:16,530 S1: ahead on Chris Fabry live. The program from the heart 20 00:01:16,530 --> 00:01:19,970 S1: to the heart for the heart of grandparents everywhere and 21 00:01:19,970 --> 00:01:22,810 S1: grandchildren too. Let me thank our team. Ryan McConaughey is 22 00:01:22,850 --> 00:01:25,730 S1: doing all things technical. Trish is our producer. Lisa is 23 00:01:25,730 --> 00:01:28,450 S1: in the chair today. Josh will be answering your calls 24 00:01:28,930 --> 00:01:31,330 S1: and I saw a note from Karen today. Karen went 25 00:01:31,330 --> 00:01:35,690 S1: online to Chris Fabry this morning and gave a gift 26 00:01:35,690 --> 00:01:37,810 S1: of support to this program. And we're going to send 27 00:01:37,810 --> 00:01:41,810 S1: her the book Hosanna in Excelsis. And she is going 28 00:01:41,850 --> 00:01:44,930 S1: to love that for years to come. Here's a little 29 00:01:44,970 --> 00:01:47,050 S1: of what Karen wrote. I love to hear the variety 30 00:01:47,050 --> 00:01:49,810 S1: of subjects you talk about on your program. They are 31 00:01:49,810 --> 00:01:52,610 S1: so down to earth everyone can relate. Keep up the 32 00:01:52,610 --> 00:01:55,850 S1: good work, Chris. Your blessing I. And then she says 33 00:01:55,850 --> 00:01:59,610 S1: this I recently became a widow and now my husband's 34 00:01:59,610 --> 00:02:04,970 S1: in heaven. We were married 63 years. Just to let 35 00:02:04,970 --> 00:02:08,330 S1: you take that in for a minute, 63 years. I 36 00:02:08,370 --> 00:02:10,889 S1: rejoice that he is with the Lord, but I miss 37 00:02:10,889 --> 00:02:13,690 S1: him desperately. God is good and gives me strength every 38 00:02:13,730 --> 00:02:15,970 S1: day to do what I need to do. I give 39 00:02:15,970 --> 00:02:19,770 S1: him praise and I read that to him. Well, I 40 00:02:19,770 --> 00:02:24,209 S1: remind myself first of all. But to remind you, you 41 00:02:24,210 --> 00:02:27,730 S1: have no idea who you're going to encourage by your call, 42 00:02:27,730 --> 00:02:30,929 S1: by your Facebook response, by the support that you give 43 00:02:30,930 --> 00:02:34,490 S1: to this program. There's probably someone listening right now who says, 44 00:02:34,490 --> 00:02:35,970 S1: I wish I could give. I wish I had a 45 00:02:35,970 --> 00:02:38,370 S1: little extra in the budget right now. Can't do it. 46 00:02:38,690 --> 00:02:40,530 S1: And I want to say to you, don't let the 47 00:02:40,530 --> 00:02:43,410 S1: enemy make you feel guilty. If you can't give right now, 48 00:02:43,610 --> 00:02:46,970 S1: or let him make you keep. Keep you away from listening. 49 00:02:47,010 --> 00:02:49,890 S1: Don't listen to that shout or whisper from your enemy. 50 00:02:50,610 --> 00:02:55,250 S1: But perhaps there's somebody listening who might give for yourself 51 00:02:55,250 --> 00:02:58,740 S1: before the end of December. Or for someone you don't 52 00:02:58,740 --> 00:03:01,299 S1: even know who needs a little encouragement that we try 53 00:03:01,340 --> 00:03:03,660 S1: to give every day. So if if that rings a 54 00:03:03,660 --> 00:03:06,180 S1: bell for you, call or click through. Today. I'd love 55 00:03:06,180 --> 00:03:09,500 S1: to send you this book that has 43 hymns and 56 00:03:09,500 --> 00:03:14,620 S1: devotions for the Christmas season. It's called Hosanna in Excelsis. 57 00:03:14,620 --> 00:03:16,820 S1: Just our way to say thank you for your support. 58 00:03:16,860 --> 00:03:29,540 S1: 866953227986695 or go to Chris Fabbri. Fabbri Chris Fabbri lives 59 00:03:30,380 --> 00:03:33,300 S1: and thanks for your support of the radio backyard fence. 60 00:03:33,820 --> 00:03:36,300 S1: I have been looking forward to this. JP Leitner is 61 00:03:36,340 --> 00:03:39,140 S1: a freelance producer for Christian Radio. I've known him for 62 00:03:39,140 --> 00:03:41,700 S1: many years that we don't even want to talk about. 63 00:03:41,980 --> 00:03:47,340 S1: Speaker for men's retreats. He speaks at marriage weekends, writers conferences, 64 00:03:47,580 --> 00:03:50,700 S1: services on the weekend. He's written more than 30 books now. 65 00:03:50,740 --> 00:03:54,900 S1: When I knew you, Jay, first you weren't doing the 66 00:03:54,900 --> 00:03:59,300 S1: writing thing. You were working with Josh McDowell and other 67 00:03:59,300 --> 00:04:00,700 S1: other programs, right? 68 00:04:01,260 --> 00:04:04,020 S2: Well, yeah, we could go. Hey, Chris, I just what 69 00:04:04,020 --> 00:04:05,700 S2: a delight to be with you. Yeah, we could go 70 00:04:05,700 --> 00:04:08,180 S2: back to. Even before that, I was on Michigan Avenue 71 00:04:08,180 --> 00:04:14,500 S2: in Chicago doing advertising for, uh, Midway Airlines and Corona beer, 72 00:04:14,700 --> 00:04:18,540 S2: TV commercials, uh, and, uh, all kinds of things. Coupon 73 00:04:18,580 --> 00:04:21,020 S2: ads for veg all. And I might have got fired 74 00:04:21,020 --> 00:04:24,060 S2: from that job when I had little boys and little 75 00:04:24,060 --> 00:04:27,180 S2: kids at home. Little boys at home and got fired. 76 00:04:27,220 --> 00:04:30,180 S2: Then it was a four hour commute anyways, and I 77 00:04:30,180 --> 00:04:35,460 S2: ended up a little Christian, a little Christian media agency, uh, 78 00:04:35,460 --> 00:04:37,940 S2: Domain Communications, the building you've been in a bunch of 79 00:04:37,940 --> 00:04:41,940 S2: times back in the day. And Andrea, uh, and, uh, 80 00:04:42,180 --> 00:04:45,100 S2: that's when I, I mean, my faith was growing and, uh, 81 00:04:45,100 --> 00:04:49,979 S2: and such, but, uh, that's when I got into Christian 82 00:04:49,980 --> 00:04:54,390 S2: media and met Christian publishers and, uh, and great folks 83 00:04:54,390 --> 00:04:59,310 S2: like Andrea and Chris Fabbri. Um, and, uh, Steve Brown. 84 00:05:00,110 --> 00:05:02,150 S1: You work with Steve Brown, didn't you? 85 00:05:02,190 --> 00:05:05,670 S2: Oh, golly. Yes. I did a video for Steve Brown, and, uh, 86 00:05:05,670 --> 00:05:07,750 S2: he still prays for every time I talk to him. 87 00:05:07,750 --> 00:05:10,950 S2: Probably you too. He goes, j. I prayed for you today. Well, 88 00:05:10,990 --> 00:05:13,909 S2: did you really? Did you use my name? Or maybe 89 00:05:13,950 --> 00:05:17,310 S2: he did. Um, yeah. Steve brown. What a. Oh, uh, 90 00:05:17,310 --> 00:05:20,190 S2: he's he's as solid as they come. What a voice. 91 00:05:20,830 --> 00:05:23,230 S2: And then, uh. Well. And a voice got the pipes, too. 92 00:05:23,589 --> 00:05:26,470 S2: And then I, uh, I ended up making connections with 93 00:05:26,470 --> 00:05:29,870 S2: Christian publishers, and I sent in a manuscript. And then 94 00:05:29,910 --> 00:05:34,270 S2: once you get one book published and you're trustworthy and 95 00:05:34,270 --> 00:05:36,630 S2: get the job done. Yeah, I've written, like, 40 some 96 00:05:36,630 --> 00:05:38,470 S2: books now, my bestseller. 97 00:05:38,510 --> 00:05:38,990 S1: Okay. 98 00:05:39,550 --> 00:05:39,710 S2: Well. 99 00:05:40,029 --> 00:05:42,669 S1: Here's here's the thing. Here's the thing, Jay. Yeah. You 100 00:05:42,670 --> 00:05:46,349 S1: write such practical books that really, you know, it's like 101 00:05:47,029 --> 00:05:48,830 S1: books that I'll see in the airport. You know, it's 102 00:05:48,830 --> 00:05:51,510 S1: like there's Jay's book. I see that, and this one 103 00:05:51,510 --> 00:05:55,670 S1: is the same thing. It's a grand way to live faith, wisdom, 104 00:05:55,670 --> 00:05:58,110 S1: and joy for every grandparent. And who doesn't want that? 105 00:05:58,110 --> 00:06:01,710 S1: It's a 90 day devotional. But what you have done, 106 00:06:01,990 --> 00:06:04,750 S1: you've used what has happened in your own family because 107 00:06:04,750 --> 00:06:07,390 S1: you and Rita have eight grandchildren. And I saw the 108 00:06:07,390 --> 00:06:09,590 S1: picture that you sent me on email, and you can 109 00:06:09,589 --> 00:06:11,190 S1: see it on your face, the same thing I was 110 00:06:11,190 --> 00:06:13,270 S1: talking about with Michael Card and hearing his voice. You 111 00:06:13,270 --> 00:06:16,230 S1: can see on your face, it's just you're just having 112 00:06:16,230 --> 00:06:18,270 S1: so much fun. And I know it's not fun all 113 00:06:18,270 --> 00:06:22,430 S1: the time, but the the import of this is you're 114 00:06:22,430 --> 00:06:25,830 S1: speaking into the life of a grandparent who's who wants 115 00:06:25,830 --> 00:06:29,990 S1: to connect with that next generation, the generation down from them, 116 00:06:30,510 --> 00:06:32,270 S1: and they don't know how to do it. And they're 117 00:06:32,310 --> 00:06:35,510 S1: and especially with teenagers, like, how do I break through? 118 00:06:35,710 --> 00:06:37,950 S1: So you're giving some real help here, aren't you? 119 00:06:38,750 --> 00:06:42,630 S2: Well, yeah. Um, you know what, Chris? It kind of 120 00:06:42,670 --> 00:06:47,830 S2: can be fun all the time. Um, boy, that's not 121 00:06:47,830 --> 00:06:50,950 S2: a that's that's a that's a total misstatement. But if 122 00:06:50,990 --> 00:06:55,159 S2: you pursue those relationships with a sense of joy, even 123 00:06:55,160 --> 00:06:59,880 S2: if there's stuff tough, tough stuff going on, you know 124 00:06:59,880 --> 00:07:04,200 S2: that God can use it all because we got perspective when, uh, 125 00:07:04,200 --> 00:07:07,680 S2: our kids, uh, my kids, who are any kids who 126 00:07:07,680 --> 00:07:11,920 S2: are raising any young adults, my children, adult children who 127 00:07:11,920 --> 00:07:16,120 S2: are raising kids, they're busy, busier than we ever were. Uh, 128 00:07:16,160 --> 00:07:19,880 S2: it seems like these days, uh, and the stresses. But 129 00:07:19,880 --> 00:07:23,560 S2: we have, uh, grandparents and grandparents listening today. They have 130 00:07:23,760 --> 00:07:26,680 S2: we have perspective. And we can see how, you know 131 00:07:26,680 --> 00:07:30,000 S2: what that was cruddy. That was that was painful. Or 132 00:07:30,040 --> 00:07:34,240 S2: my grandchild is hurting. But we can see God's how 133 00:07:34,240 --> 00:07:37,320 S2: God can use it all, even the cruddy stuff. So 134 00:07:37,320 --> 00:07:40,080 S2: that's why I say there's joy. There can be a 135 00:07:40,080 --> 00:07:44,080 S2: constant joy when you're with your kids, even when they're 136 00:07:44,080 --> 00:07:51,240 S2: going through doubts and and nastiness and even illness. It's 137 00:07:51,240 --> 00:07:54,320 S2: hard to say that, but I believe that. I believe 138 00:07:54,320 --> 00:07:55,600 S2: that God uses it all. 139 00:07:56,160 --> 00:07:58,040 S1: I do too. And so the question is, what's the 140 00:07:58,040 --> 00:08:01,040 S1: best thing about having grandchildren at Christmas? Let me go 141 00:08:01,040 --> 00:08:04,160 S1: to David in Sarasota, Florida first. David, why did you 142 00:08:04,200 --> 00:08:04,880 S1: call today? 143 00:08:05,960 --> 00:08:09,880 S3: Well, the best thing about having grandkids is only everything, 144 00:08:11,080 --> 00:08:15,120 S3: you know. And so the key we've learned to spend 145 00:08:15,120 --> 00:08:17,640 S3: time with when we visit with my son and daughter 146 00:08:17,640 --> 00:08:21,520 S3: in law, they know they can leave because we're babysitting. 147 00:08:21,560 --> 00:08:24,400 S3: So my grandkids are from 7 to 17 years old. 148 00:08:24,440 --> 00:08:27,600 S3: Three boys, three girls. Wow. And it's great watching the 149 00:08:27,600 --> 00:08:31,559 S3: different ages interact. Like on Christmas morning. The older ones are. Oh, 150 00:08:31,960 --> 00:08:35,480 S3: this is cool. You know where the little ones, you know, 151 00:08:35,520 --> 00:08:37,800 S3: for a box of Legos and, you know, they're, like, 152 00:08:38,040 --> 00:08:39,559 S3: in their pants. This is so exciting. 153 00:08:42,040 --> 00:08:44,880 S1: To see. And so I hear it coming from you, David. 154 00:08:44,880 --> 00:08:49,530 S1: I hear that joy 7 to 17 and everything in between. 155 00:08:50,090 --> 00:08:53,449 S1: To see the growth and like you say, J the 156 00:08:53,450 --> 00:08:57,090 S1: perspective that you can give, that calming influence that you 157 00:08:57,130 --> 00:08:59,450 S1: come in and you can you can help out, you 158 00:08:59,450 --> 00:09:02,530 S1: can babysit. Although it's not really babysitting. You're just being 159 00:09:02,530 --> 00:09:03,610 S1: a grandparent right. 160 00:09:03,650 --> 00:09:07,130 S2: Mhm. Well I want to ask traditions. Give us 1 161 00:09:07,130 --> 00:09:09,770 S2: or 2 to our caller friend here. Uh, give us 162 00:09:09,770 --> 00:09:13,250 S2: 1 or 2 traditions that you have kept going. Uh, 163 00:09:13,330 --> 00:09:15,530 S2: because that's, that's one of the joys. 164 00:09:16,650 --> 00:09:19,490 S3: Well, we try to always talk with them whenever we can. Other. 165 00:09:19,530 --> 00:09:22,689 S3: My son is military, so right now they're in Alaska, 166 00:09:22,690 --> 00:09:25,890 S3: so there are four hours behind us. So it's a 167 00:09:25,890 --> 00:09:28,250 S3: little more difficult. You know, when I get up here, 168 00:09:28,250 --> 00:09:31,130 S3: I want to send you a note, but at 8 a.m. 169 00:09:31,170 --> 00:09:33,010 S3: to us, is 4 a.m. there? 170 00:09:33,050 --> 00:09:33,410 S2: Yeah. 171 00:09:34,490 --> 00:09:37,490 S3: So try to be timely. And when we communicate that, 172 00:09:37,530 --> 00:09:41,170 S3: work real hard to have intentional send texts and notes. 173 00:09:41,170 --> 00:09:44,610 S3: And if the grandkids reply, great. And if not, that's 174 00:09:44,610 --> 00:09:47,370 S3: good because they're still at least seeing their grandma and 175 00:09:47,450 --> 00:09:48,250 S3: grandpa love him. 176 00:09:49,490 --> 00:09:54,089 S2: Um, that's such a good word. Intentional. Uh, because, again, 177 00:09:54,490 --> 00:09:58,330 S2: folks like us in our 60s and 70s, um, we 178 00:09:58,330 --> 00:10:01,010 S2: know how fast time goes, and you can just turn around. 179 00:10:01,010 --> 00:10:05,170 S2: And it's been two months since I've got, uh, uh, 180 00:10:05,290 --> 00:10:09,490 S2: I've got kids. I got five kids pretty close, and 181 00:10:09,490 --> 00:10:12,329 S2: I got three down about three hour drive away. And 182 00:10:12,330 --> 00:10:15,650 S2: if we're not intentional, we can go two months without 183 00:10:15,690 --> 00:10:19,770 S2: really communicating with them. So, uh, you got to be intentional. 184 00:10:19,770 --> 00:10:22,370 S2: That's a really good word. And it's common used in, uh, 185 00:10:22,410 --> 00:10:27,050 S2: in Christian grandparenting circles, the word intentional is tossed around 186 00:10:27,050 --> 00:10:27,530 S2: a lot. 187 00:10:27,770 --> 00:10:30,490 S1: Yeah. And it's really important that connection. So how do 188 00:10:30,490 --> 00:10:33,290 S1: you do that and how do you get over the 189 00:10:33,730 --> 00:10:36,929 S1: digital world that we live in? If you don't feel 190 00:10:36,929 --> 00:10:40,890 S1: that and you've got some words of of hope for 191 00:10:40,890 --> 00:10:44,250 S1: many grandparents, and the book that is our featured resource 192 00:10:44,250 --> 00:10:47,300 S1: today is a grand way to live faith, wisdom, and 193 00:10:47,300 --> 00:10:50,420 S1: joy for every grandparent. It's our featured resource at Chris 194 00:10:50,460 --> 00:10:53,900 S1: Fabry Lives. David, thank you for your call today to 195 00:10:53,900 --> 00:10:56,979 S1: get us started. What's the best thing about having grandchildren 196 00:10:56,980 --> 00:11:03,140 S1: at Christmas? Want to hear from you. (877) 548-3675. And then 197 00:11:03,140 --> 00:11:05,940 S1: the second question. You gotta wait for that, because I 198 00:11:05,940 --> 00:11:24,180 S1: want to get to the fears as well. (877) 548-3675. JP 199 00:11:24,220 --> 00:11:28,060 S1: liner has written a grand way to live faith, wisdom 200 00:11:28,059 --> 00:11:31,420 S1: and joy for every grandparent. It's a 90 day devotional. 201 00:11:31,420 --> 00:11:34,740 S1: You find it. Click through today's information right there at Chris. 202 00:11:37,940 --> 00:11:40,580 S1: And I wanted to have Jay on, particularly today, to 203 00:11:40,620 --> 00:11:44,500 S1: talk about Grandparenting at Christmas, because there are a lot 204 00:11:44,500 --> 00:11:47,390 S1: of questions, a little bit of conflict there too, that 205 00:11:47,390 --> 00:11:51,429 S1: can come up. But you sent me this one page, 206 00:11:51,470 --> 00:11:54,270 S1: one sheet that I found been going through it. And 207 00:11:54,270 --> 00:11:57,069 S1: I'm not a grandparent yet, but I, I'm going through 208 00:11:57,110 --> 00:11:59,150 S1: it's like, that's a good point. Oh, I hadn't thought 209 00:11:59,150 --> 00:12:03,470 S1: about that. You just asked the question of David, the traditions. 210 00:12:03,470 --> 00:12:07,870 S1: And that's the number one thing kids count on traditions. Why? 211 00:12:08,070 --> 00:12:10,150 S1: Why is that so important to keep going? 212 00:12:11,110 --> 00:12:15,230 S2: Well, uh, I first of all talk about traditions. It 213 00:12:15,230 --> 00:12:18,670 S2: is so funny. You might have a grouchy, you know, 214 00:12:18,870 --> 00:12:23,589 S2: mean spirited teenager who who isn't connecting with mom and 215 00:12:23,590 --> 00:12:28,270 S2: dad these days. But you know what? And Christmas, we 216 00:12:28,270 --> 00:12:30,550 S2: haven't spent time with the family. But you know what? 217 00:12:30,710 --> 00:12:33,710 S2: You change something. You change a tradition. You put a 218 00:12:33,710 --> 00:12:37,790 S2: different star on top of the tree. Or instead of 219 00:12:37,990 --> 00:12:43,230 S2: instead of serving coco, you serve hot cider, man. They 220 00:12:43,230 --> 00:12:47,990 S2: go ballistic. You can't change a tradition. So that proves 221 00:12:47,990 --> 00:12:51,510 S2: right there that traditions are what keeps families together. What 222 00:12:51,510 --> 00:12:56,790 S2: keeps you coming back? Um, and, uh, I, uh, I 223 00:12:56,830 --> 00:13:00,150 S2: think that everybody listening today, every grandparent today has traditions 224 00:13:00,150 --> 00:13:02,830 S2: that they're going, oh, yeah, we love doing that. Or 225 00:13:02,830 --> 00:13:05,670 S2: oh my goodness, we haven't done that in years. Or 226 00:13:05,710 --> 00:13:08,790 S2: even better, we did that back with our kids. Let's 227 00:13:08,790 --> 00:13:14,790 S2: resurrect that tradition for our own kids. Um, uh, a 228 00:13:14,830 --> 00:13:17,910 S2: few that just come to mind real quickly for me is, uh, 229 00:13:18,150 --> 00:13:21,630 S2: for about 14 years, our kids, when the adults did 230 00:13:21,630 --> 00:13:25,030 S2: some of our own, like, opening gifts. The kids, the 231 00:13:25,070 --> 00:13:31,430 S2: 14 cousins. No. Yeah. 14 cousins went downstairs, uh, and 232 00:13:31,429 --> 00:13:36,710 S2: put together a Christmas skit, um, with some preparation ahead 233 00:13:36,710 --> 00:13:40,030 S2: of time. And then suddenly it ended one year because 234 00:13:40,030 --> 00:13:44,319 S2: the kids were older and other priorities. And that's okay. 235 00:13:44,960 --> 00:13:48,400 S2: My parents lived by a woods, and there would be 236 00:13:48,400 --> 00:13:51,559 S2: a Christmas hike every Christmas Eve. 6 or 8 or 237 00:13:51,559 --> 00:13:54,760 S2: 10 or 12 people would go out in this different generations. 238 00:13:54,920 --> 00:13:58,079 S2: But then my parents moved to the, uh, you know, 239 00:13:58,120 --> 00:14:03,920 S2: to the retirement community, and that that tradition ended. And 240 00:14:03,920 --> 00:14:08,800 S2: that has to be okay. Uh, we when our oldest, Alec, 241 00:14:08,800 --> 00:14:13,600 S2: who is 45 now, uh, when he was born, we 242 00:14:13,640 --> 00:14:18,880 S2: started doing the the photo on Santa's lap and, uh, 243 00:14:18,880 --> 00:14:20,680 S2: put it we put it in and we once we 244 00:14:20,680 --> 00:14:22,680 S2: had two of those, we put it in a little 245 00:14:22,680 --> 00:14:26,800 S2: book and we every year we added that photo and 246 00:14:26,840 --> 00:14:29,840 S2: then Randy popped up, and then Max popped up and 247 00:14:29,840 --> 00:14:33,800 S2: Isaac and Ray, and suddenly we've got. But when Alec 248 00:14:33,840 --> 00:14:35,880 S2: turned 21, he goes, you know what? I don't think 249 00:14:35,880 --> 00:14:38,560 S2: I want to sit on Santa's lap anymore. And the 250 00:14:38,560 --> 00:14:43,600 S2: tradition ended. So, ladies and gentlemen listening. Hold traditions tightly 251 00:14:43,600 --> 00:14:47,120 S2: because kids need those. But then he'll be ready to 252 00:14:47,160 --> 00:14:50,040 S2: understand that sometimes it's time to let them go. Does 253 00:14:50,040 --> 00:14:51,520 S2: that make sense, Mr. Fabry? 254 00:14:51,560 --> 00:14:54,800 S1: It does. Hold it loosely. Well, because it's all about 255 00:14:54,800 --> 00:14:58,000 S1: the relationship. It's not about the tradition. It's about the relationship. 256 00:14:58,000 --> 00:15:01,119 S1: So the skits I can hear, you know, the laughter 257 00:15:01,120 --> 00:15:03,600 S1: and the fun that's going on. And then you, you 258 00:15:03,640 --> 00:15:06,360 S1: grow past that, and it's like. But I don't want to, 259 00:15:06,400 --> 00:15:08,080 S1: you know, as the grandparent, you don't want to give 260 00:15:08,080 --> 00:15:11,480 S1: that up. But it's like, no, it's okay. There's something better. 261 00:15:11,480 --> 00:15:14,360 S1: You can let go of what's behind to move on to, 262 00:15:14,400 --> 00:15:17,600 S1: you know, something new. But you mentioned Alec and there 263 00:15:17,600 --> 00:15:20,560 S1: is a devotion in this book, again, a grand way 264 00:15:20,560 --> 00:15:23,840 S1: to live. So this would be a gift to your grandparents. 265 00:15:23,840 --> 00:15:27,080 S1: It's a 90 day devotional, uh, faith, wisdom and joy 266 00:15:27,080 --> 00:15:31,400 S1: for every grandparent. You tell this story about Alec and 267 00:15:31,400 --> 00:15:33,720 S1: the band that he was in and the music that 268 00:15:33,720 --> 00:15:37,800 S1: he was playing and, um, and how Mom and Dad 269 00:15:37,800 --> 00:15:42,370 S1: actually came to the to to to hear them play, 270 00:15:42,410 --> 00:15:44,890 S1: even though they might not have liked the you know 271 00:15:44,930 --> 00:15:48,970 S1: the music necessarily. And here's what got me. You said 272 00:15:48,970 --> 00:15:52,050 S1: I type this. I'm sitting here weeping, missing my parents, 273 00:15:52,250 --> 00:15:56,130 S1: and I'm so grateful to Alec and my entire family. 274 00:15:56,250 --> 00:16:00,770 S1: The lesson? Keep showing up. Be there for your family 275 00:16:00,770 --> 00:16:06,490 S1: and friends. It all comes back around. Um, so that that, 276 00:16:06,690 --> 00:16:09,450 S1: you know, show up, even if you don't like the 277 00:16:09,450 --> 00:16:12,490 S1: music that the that the kids are playing, right? 278 00:16:13,370 --> 00:16:16,970 S2: Um, well, yes. Uh, and again, I'm flashing back because 279 00:16:17,450 --> 00:16:21,250 S2: what you're talking about, Alex, music ability tied in greatly 280 00:16:21,250 --> 00:16:25,530 S2: with our Christmas skits and they did raps. Rap song, 281 00:16:25,530 --> 00:16:29,290 S2: Christmas rap songs. And they, they read sometimes they chose 282 00:16:29,290 --> 00:16:31,810 S2: to read The Grinch That Stole Christmas. And they did 283 00:16:31,850 --> 00:16:36,290 S2: things that were secular celebrations of Christmas, but they always 284 00:16:36,290 --> 00:16:38,410 S2: came back. And then there was a a a Luke 285 00:16:38,450 --> 00:16:41,890 S2: two reading or a little nativity scene. So it doesn't 286 00:16:41,890 --> 00:16:46,450 S2: all have to be, uh, o holy night and, uh, 287 00:16:46,450 --> 00:16:49,090 S2: joy to the world. It can be. Grandma got run 288 00:16:49,090 --> 00:16:53,410 S2: over by a reindeer and and grandparents. Grandparents. You got 289 00:16:53,410 --> 00:16:56,490 S2: to let them do that. Uh. Even better. You know what? 290 00:16:56,490 --> 00:16:58,730 S2: If you can kind of take the secular side of 291 00:16:58,730 --> 00:17:04,370 S2: it and insert, inject and make your Christian faith and 292 00:17:04,369 --> 00:17:08,970 S2: the birth of our savior, uh, part of that. Then 293 00:17:08,970 --> 00:17:11,850 S2: suddenly Jesus is part of their life. You don't you 294 00:17:11,850 --> 00:17:15,209 S2: don't set Jesus aside for just Sunday morning. Suddenly, Jesus 295 00:17:15,250 --> 00:17:18,410 S2: is part of everything. Uh, that's one of the things 296 00:17:18,410 --> 00:17:23,650 S2: that that you can orchestrate as a grandparent. Wow. 297 00:17:24,050 --> 00:17:28,810 S1: One of the things that is, uh, a real blockade 298 00:17:28,850 --> 00:17:36,010 S1: blockade for grandparents and older grandkids, teenagers is trying to 299 00:17:36,050 --> 00:17:38,700 S1: break through or feeling like they. And as you just 300 00:17:38,700 --> 00:17:40,940 S1: said a minute ago, you know, the traditions, you change 301 00:17:40,940 --> 00:17:44,300 S1: something and the teenagers, immediately they come back. But there's 302 00:17:44,340 --> 00:17:47,540 S1: there's probably a grandparent who's listening who says, I just 303 00:17:47,540 --> 00:17:51,139 S1: don't I don't connect and I want to, but I don't. 304 00:17:51,140 --> 00:17:53,820 S1: I'm not able to. Do you have any help or 305 00:17:53,820 --> 00:17:55,780 S1: encouragement for that grandparent? 306 00:17:56,260 --> 00:17:59,860 S2: Well, uh, yeah. On one level, we're just talking about 307 00:17:59,900 --> 00:18:03,860 S2: good old, healthy, grand teenagers who are, you know, exploring 308 00:18:03,859 --> 00:18:06,859 S2: the world. They have their healthy doubts, and they're trying 309 00:18:06,859 --> 00:18:10,060 S2: to figure out what's right and wrong and and whether 310 00:18:10,060 --> 00:18:13,540 S2: mom and dad's religion works for them. But, uh, really, 311 00:18:13,540 --> 00:18:15,659 S2: you got to build that relationship first, and you go 312 00:18:15,660 --> 00:18:19,660 S2: from there, but, uh, you know, with, with, um, with 313 00:18:19,900 --> 00:18:23,780 S2: little ones, it's easy. Christmas is so easy with little ones. 314 00:18:23,820 --> 00:18:25,899 S2: They like all the shiny stuff. And you light a 315 00:18:25,940 --> 00:18:28,660 S2: candle or two and you, you have them open stockings 316 00:18:28,660 --> 00:18:32,700 S2: and and it's a blast with older kids. I think 317 00:18:32,740 --> 00:18:38,100 S2: teenagers need a project. Um. Uh, hey, can you come over? 318 00:18:38,140 --> 00:18:40,300 S2: Not just help me decorate, but I can't. I got 319 00:18:40,300 --> 00:18:42,340 S2: this big. Those boxes up in the attic. I won't 320 00:18:42,340 --> 00:18:46,740 S2: be able to get them myself. Hey, uh, grandson. Granddaughter, 321 00:18:46,740 --> 00:18:48,500 S2: can you come over and help me get those boxes 322 00:18:48,500 --> 00:18:53,260 S2: down from the attic? And then suddenly they're installing Christmas 323 00:18:53,260 --> 00:18:56,580 S2: for you? Um, or a project, uh, and you can 324 00:18:56,619 --> 00:18:58,859 S2: think of a dozen things that you might do now. 325 00:18:58,900 --> 00:19:01,659 S2: Your food pantry stuff and and, uh. 326 00:19:01,940 --> 00:19:02,540 S1: Serving. 327 00:19:02,820 --> 00:19:06,780 S2: Ringing, ringing, uh, at the Salvation Army kettle. Uh, uh, 328 00:19:08,180 --> 00:19:12,859 S2: invite your grandkids, your teenage grandkids to join you, and 329 00:19:12,859 --> 00:19:16,340 S2: they'll see in your face how important this is, and 330 00:19:16,580 --> 00:19:19,180 S2: you'll start a tradition that you didn't even know. Because 331 00:19:19,180 --> 00:19:22,179 S2: here's the other truth. If it happens twice in a row, 332 00:19:22,740 --> 00:19:25,460 S2: two years in a row, it's a tradition to tradition. 333 00:19:25,460 --> 00:19:29,699 S1: Yes. Well, and you think that these, you know, the 334 00:19:29,740 --> 00:19:33,460 S1: teenage kids, they're all digital and their screens and all 335 00:19:33,460 --> 00:19:36,109 S1: that kind of stuff. But what I'm seeing is this 336 00:19:36,109 --> 00:19:39,910 S1: desire for them to have this tactile, you know, you 337 00:19:39,910 --> 00:19:44,429 S1: teach your granddaughter or grandson how to cook that special 338 00:19:44,430 --> 00:19:47,510 S1: dish or make those special cookies, and nobody knows this, 339 00:19:47,510 --> 00:19:49,830 S1: and I'm going to show you how to make this. 340 00:19:50,470 --> 00:19:54,390 S1: That's a memory for a lifetime for that young person. Uh, 341 00:19:54,390 --> 00:19:57,310 S1: Sharon is in Indiana. Sharon, why did you call today? 342 00:19:58,470 --> 00:20:01,190 S4: Hi. Well, I called with a couple of special memories 343 00:20:01,230 --> 00:20:04,629 S4: or a couple special things that we do. Um, the 344 00:20:04,630 --> 00:20:06,750 S4: first one is kind of short and sweet. It's our 345 00:20:06,750 --> 00:20:11,270 S4: two year old grandson who's just really experiencing Christmas that 346 00:20:11,270 --> 00:20:14,990 S4: he understands at all for the first time. And so, uh, 347 00:20:14,990 --> 00:20:17,510 S4: we were playing with the little nativity scene, which we 348 00:20:17,910 --> 00:20:21,550 S4: do with our other grandchildren as well. But, um, because 349 00:20:21,550 --> 00:20:24,990 S4: he's anticipating a new little sister, when he looked in 350 00:20:24,990 --> 00:20:28,350 S4: the manger, I said, is this his baby? He says, sister, 351 00:20:28,630 --> 00:20:31,389 S4: I said, no. So I told him the story again, 352 00:20:31,390 --> 00:20:34,750 S4: and then I said, it's baby. He goes, God. I 353 00:20:34,750 --> 00:20:39,070 S4: was like, yes baby, God. So the nativity scene is 354 00:20:39,070 --> 00:20:42,189 S4: a part, but also something that's been really special in 355 00:20:42,190 --> 00:20:46,629 S4: our family is that we, um, my husband has always 356 00:20:46,630 --> 00:20:49,750 S4: done codes on the kids gifts, and they weren't allowed 357 00:20:49,750 --> 00:20:51,670 S4: to wake us up in the morning until they had 358 00:20:51,670 --> 00:20:55,830 S4: cracked the code. And now that's extended to our to 359 00:20:55,910 --> 00:21:00,109 S4: their to their, their spouses. And this year, for the 360 00:21:00,109 --> 00:21:03,350 S4: first time, the kids, the grandkids are going to have 361 00:21:03,350 --> 00:21:06,390 S4: their own code. Now, theirs is very simple like their 362 00:21:06,390 --> 00:21:09,869 S4: first initial and their age. So for Annaliese, it will 363 00:21:09,910 --> 00:21:13,990 S4: be a seven, for example, or a six, I should say. Um, 364 00:21:14,109 --> 00:21:17,990 S4: but anyway. But the adult version is much more difficult. 365 00:21:17,990 --> 00:21:21,350 S4: And they fuss about it and they feud and everything, 366 00:21:21,350 --> 00:21:23,910 S4: but and, and when you say, okay, should we just 367 00:21:23,910 --> 00:21:28,910 S4: stop doing this? They're like, no, this is our favorite thing. So, um, okay. 368 00:21:28,950 --> 00:21:32,080 S1: So so tell me, tell me a code for the older. 369 00:21:32,119 --> 00:21:36,080 S1: You know, like the teenager or the adult. Is it like, uh, 370 00:21:36,080 --> 00:21:39,960 S1: you spell like the words of the alphabet? Letters of 371 00:21:39,960 --> 00:21:43,840 S1: the alphabet are one through 26 and there's numbers instead 372 00:21:43,840 --> 00:21:46,440 S1: of letters. Is that something like that? 373 00:21:46,560 --> 00:21:49,960 S4: That's that's really funny. You're a mind reader because that's 374 00:21:50,000 --> 00:21:52,560 S4: actually the code. This this time I've. 375 00:21:53,040 --> 00:21:56,120 S1: Broken the code already. I'm coming to your house and 376 00:21:56,119 --> 00:22:00,040 S1: I'm opening all the presents one year. 377 00:22:00,080 --> 00:22:04,240 S4: Let's see. So one year it was like, um, the 378 00:22:04,240 --> 00:22:09,040 S4: male or female Olympian who won a gold medal closest 379 00:22:09,040 --> 00:22:10,560 S4: to the year they were born. 380 00:22:10,920 --> 00:22:11,320 S1: Ooh. 381 00:22:12,240 --> 00:22:15,480 S4: Wow. Um, so that one, they had to do some thinking. But, see, 382 00:22:15,520 --> 00:22:18,560 S4: my parents are 90, and so that was kind of 383 00:22:18,600 --> 00:22:21,919 S4: the giveaway. They thought, okay, there's a really older, you know, 384 00:22:21,960 --> 00:22:24,800 S4: the really older Olympians. And so they did figure that 385 00:22:24,800 --> 00:22:28,520 S4: one out a little quicker. But my husband is he's 386 00:22:28,520 --> 00:22:31,919 S4: got a very brilliant mind. And so sometimes square roots 387 00:22:31,920 --> 00:22:33,440 S4: and things come in there and it. 388 00:22:34,520 --> 00:22:35,560 S1: Gets a little hard to do. 389 00:22:35,560 --> 00:22:38,879 S4: It myself. I'm like, I get all the codes because I, 390 00:22:39,520 --> 00:22:41,800 S4: you know, write it on the packages, but I would 391 00:22:41,800 --> 00:22:43,800 S4: not want to be cracking the code. I'm like, I 392 00:22:43,800 --> 00:22:46,000 S4: look at them for five minutes. I'm like, all right, 393 00:22:46,040 --> 00:22:47,480 S4: give me tell me what's going on. 394 00:22:47,920 --> 00:22:50,600 S1: We could be a word jumble, too, you know, like 395 00:22:50,640 --> 00:22:55,760 S1: a jumble. The letters around and they have to. Yeah. Okay. Jay, 396 00:22:55,760 --> 00:22:57,560 S1: what do you think of this? I think I'm going to. 397 00:22:57,600 --> 00:23:00,240 S1: I'm going to make that a part of the Christmas celebration. 398 00:23:00,240 --> 00:23:01,000 S1: What do you think? 399 00:23:01,320 --> 00:23:03,840 S2: Well, mostly I appreciate the fact that this is a 400 00:23:03,880 --> 00:23:07,360 S2: tradition that she did with her, that Sharon did with 401 00:23:07,359 --> 00:23:11,720 S2: her kids. That didn't happen for a decade or two, 402 00:23:12,119 --> 00:23:15,800 S2: and now it's coming back with the grandkids. Uh, which 403 00:23:15,800 --> 00:23:20,600 S2: reminds me that we serve a God of second chances. Um. 404 00:23:21,320 --> 00:23:24,560 S2: Uh uh, Sharon, uh, did you get along with your 405 00:23:24,560 --> 00:23:28,690 S2: teenagers all the time? Easy breezy. When they were teenagers 406 00:23:28,690 --> 00:23:33,490 S2: with your kids. You know, there's going to be. You 407 00:23:33,810 --> 00:23:36,090 S2: see my point there? They're coming back. 408 00:23:36,090 --> 00:23:36,409 S4: Now. 409 00:23:38,090 --> 00:23:40,490 S2: They're coming back now. And they're, uh, they're raising their 410 00:23:40,490 --> 00:23:43,410 S2: own kids, and they need you in their life, and 411 00:23:44,010 --> 00:23:46,689 S2: you don't have to. And maybe, Sharon, you had a 412 00:23:46,690 --> 00:23:49,010 S2: great relationship the whole time through, but there are people, 413 00:23:49,130 --> 00:23:53,850 S2: grandparents listening who it's like, oh, my kids. We, uh, 414 00:23:53,850 --> 00:23:56,890 S2: we had, uh, an argument when he was 17, and 415 00:23:56,890 --> 00:24:00,729 S2: I can't speak to him again. And, you know, grandkids, 416 00:24:01,210 --> 00:24:03,889 S2: you know, when they come into the room Christmas Day 417 00:24:04,130 --> 00:24:07,090 S2: and focus on the grandkids and all of a sudden, 418 00:24:07,130 --> 00:24:09,689 S2: who doesn't love a little baby in arms or or 419 00:24:09,810 --> 00:24:12,570 S2: a four year old being a goofball suddenly that can 420 00:24:12,570 --> 00:24:16,290 S2: connect you. And that's what a gift that can be to, uh, 421 00:24:16,290 --> 00:24:20,290 S2: reunite families. But you got to play it right. You can't, uh, 422 00:24:20,330 --> 00:24:23,210 S2: you can't be the the judgmental. You gotta let go 423 00:24:23,210 --> 00:24:26,570 S2: of some things. Grandpa and grandma out there listening, uh, 424 00:24:26,609 --> 00:24:29,659 S2: to make that happen. Um, so we sort of got 425 00:24:29,660 --> 00:24:30,580 S2: a second chances. 426 00:24:30,700 --> 00:24:33,300 S1: Sharon, I'm so glad you gave the idea, because somebody 427 00:24:33,300 --> 00:24:36,820 S1: needed to hear that code idea today. And if you 428 00:24:37,020 --> 00:24:38,979 S1: if you'll hang on, Sharon, I want to send you 429 00:24:38,980 --> 00:24:43,260 S1: a copy of A Grand Way to Live by JP Lightner. Faith, 430 00:24:43,260 --> 00:24:49,420 S1: wisdom and joy for every grandparent. It's our featured resource at. Chris. Chris. 431 00:24:51,500 --> 00:24:53,300 S1: We got a minute before the break, so I won't 432 00:24:53,300 --> 00:24:55,340 S1: go to any more calls right now, but I want 433 00:24:55,380 --> 00:24:57,660 S1: to go to the next question because you said if 434 00:24:57,660 --> 00:25:02,460 S1: you ask this question, Chris, every grandparent has one. We've 435 00:25:02,460 --> 00:25:05,179 S1: been talking about the joys, you know, great Christmas joys. 436 00:25:05,260 --> 00:25:10,379 S1: What are the fears of the grandparents? Uh, right now 437 00:25:10,380 --> 00:25:12,980 S1: is there and maybe you can help me frame this question. 438 00:25:12,980 --> 00:25:16,060 S1: Is there a fear in your life right now as 439 00:25:16,060 --> 00:25:20,020 S1: a grandparent? What is the number one fear or the 440 00:25:20,020 --> 00:25:25,060 S1: top two that you are feeling today? Feeling this year 441 00:25:25,060 --> 00:25:28,820 S1: as we head toward Christmas not about Christmas necessarily, but 442 00:25:28,820 --> 00:25:34,380 S1: just about your grandchildren or your, uh, your space in 443 00:25:34,420 --> 00:25:36,900 S1: their lives. Do you have an answer to that? Call 444 00:25:36,940 --> 00:25:46,780 S1: me (877) 548-3675. Grandparenting fears. Tell me 1 or 2. Eight. 7754. 445 00:25:46,820 --> 00:25:51,740 S1: Eight three. Six. Seven. Five. More straight ahead on Moody Radio. 446 00:26:04,340 --> 00:26:09,179 S1: I'm loving the conversation today with JP Leitner about grandparenting 447 00:26:09,180 --> 00:26:13,140 S1: the joys of grandparenting around Christmas. And also, if you 448 00:26:13,140 --> 00:26:15,700 S1: have a fear, what is your number one fear as 449 00:26:15,700 --> 00:26:21,700 S1: a grandparent right now? I want to hear from you. (877) 548-3675. 450 00:26:21,900 --> 00:26:24,990 S1: We have a featured resource today. It's Jay's new book, 451 00:26:25,390 --> 00:26:28,709 S1: A Grand Way to Live Faith, wisdom, and Joy for 452 00:26:28,710 --> 00:26:32,110 S1: Every Grandparent, a 90 day devotional. This might be a 453 00:26:32,109 --> 00:26:35,389 S1: really nice gift to give to your grandparent or to 454 00:26:35,430 --> 00:26:38,270 S1: your parent. Um, you know, the thing that I saw, 455 00:26:38,270 --> 00:26:40,590 S1: I just got an email just before the program today, 456 00:26:40,590 --> 00:26:42,990 S1: and it says with less than a week until Christmas, 457 00:26:43,030 --> 00:26:45,310 S1: this is pitching somebody else here. But I want to 458 00:26:45,310 --> 00:26:49,110 S1: read this. A growing number of grandparents are rethinking what 459 00:26:49,109 --> 00:26:51,870 S1: it means to give a meaningful holiday gift, instead of 460 00:26:51,869 --> 00:26:55,470 S1: toys and gadgets that lose their appeal after a few days, 461 00:26:55,470 --> 00:26:58,590 S1: or the kids who play with the boxes instead. Many 462 00:26:58,590 --> 00:27:04,870 S1: are choosing legacy based presents gifts designed to create lasting 463 00:27:04,869 --> 00:27:09,230 S1: impact long after the wrapping paper is gone. And then 464 00:27:09,230 --> 00:27:14,030 S1: they give a list of personalized storybooks that preserve family 465 00:27:14,030 --> 00:27:21,830 S1: history handwritten letters, heirlooms, starter investment accounts, charitable donations made 466 00:27:21,830 --> 00:27:25,469 S1: in grandchildren's name for, you know, buying a goat for 467 00:27:25,510 --> 00:27:28,070 S1: a child in Africa and then being able to have, 468 00:27:28,109 --> 00:27:31,670 S1: you know, to see what what is happening there and 469 00:27:31,670 --> 00:27:35,869 S1: what you're providing with that gift. Um, and I there's, 470 00:27:35,869 --> 00:27:39,469 S1: there's something to that that you're and here's what my, uh, 471 00:27:39,470 --> 00:27:41,750 S1: my daughter gave me a few years ago. And I 472 00:27:41,790 --> 00:27:44,630 S1: keep coming back to this, a hymnal, because we don't 473 00:27:44,630 --> 00:27:47,390 S1: have men in our churches anymore or I'm. I know 474 00:27:47,390 --> 00:27:50,710 S1: that some do. But we've gotten away from the hymns 475 00:27:50,710 --> 00:27:54,030 S1: and the songs that our parents sang and and handed 476 00:27:54,030 --> 00:27:57,870 S1: down to us. My daughter gave back to me, as 477 00:27:57,869 --> 00:28:00,949 S1: you say, you know, coming back. So there are these 478 00:28:00,950 --> 00:28:06,190 S1: legacy gifts or you mentioned someone mentioned the nativity set, 479 00:28:06,230 --> 00:28:08,550 S1: you know, this nativity set that was handed down from 480 00:28:08,550 --> 00:28:12,710 S1: grandmother to the parents, then will be handed down later 481 00:28:12,710 --> 00:28:16,430 S1: on and allowing the the young kids to actually handle this, 482 00:28:16,430 --> 00:28:19,030 S1: even though it's a little, you know, can break the 483 00:28:19,070 --> 00:28:23,000 S1: break the manger. All of those legacy gifts, these things 484 00:28:23,000 --> 00:28:25,679 S1: that you can hold in your hands. And and this 485 00:28:25,680 --> 00:28:28,840 S1: came from my grandfather and this came my father and 486 00:28:28,840 --> 00:28:31,840 S1: his father. There's something about that. J. 487 00:28:33,280 --> 00:28:38,240 S2: Um, well, I'm flashing back to, uh. At one point, 488 00:28:38,240 --> 00:28:43,080 S2: my seven year old grandson was upstairs in our playroom, 489 00:28:43,280 --> 00:28:47,440 S2: and he was goofing around with, um, the wooden Noah's 490 00:28:47,440 --> 00:28:52,520 S2: ark that my dad made for, uh, to hold Beanie Babies. 491 00:28:52,560 --> 00:28:55,080 S2: Beanie babies, Noah's Ark, if you can imagine such a thing. 492 00:28:55,360 --> 00:28:58,400 S2: And then I looked around the room, and I saw 493 00:28:58,520 --> 00:29:03,720 S2: a matchbox car ramp and a doll house and a 494 00:29:03,760 --> 00:29:07,960 S2: rocking elephant and a table and an art easel that 495 00:29:07,960 --> 00:29:13,560 S2: my dad had made before, uh, before, uh, for my 496 00:29:13,560 --> 00:29:17,080 S2: kids way and my dad passed away before. Alec. Before. 497 00:29:17,440 --> 00:29:21,480 S2: Excuse me? Before Jack. Before Jack was even born. So, um, 498 00:29:21,520 --> 00:29:23,320 S2: and to finish the story, you got to know that 499 00:29:23,320 --> 00:29:27,280 S2: my my grandkids call me chief. That's my. That's my 500 00:29:27,280 --> 00:29:30,120 S2: grandpa name. So that's my grandpa name, chief. All that 501 00:29:30,120 --> 00:29:33,760 S2: to say, I looked around the room and I said, Jack. Huh? 502 00:29:33,800 --> 00:29:37,800 S2: Look at this. My dad made this and this and 503 00:29:37,800 --> 00:29:43,680 S2: this and this. That's Papa. And, uh. Jack stood up 504 00:29:43,800 --> 00:29:46,800 S2: and said, chief, I need to meet him. 505 00:29:47,320 --> 00:29:47,720 S1: Hmm. 506 00:29:48,640 --> 00:29:53,400 S2: Now, my dad had passed away about eight years before that. Um, 507 00:29:53,440 --> 00:29:57,800 S2: but that idea of building something that's going to last, 508 00:29:57,800 --> 00:30:00,240 S2: whether it's made out of wood or whether it's a 509 00:30:00,240 --> 00:30:03,360 S2: book or exactly what you were saying in there. Chris, 510 00:30:03,400 --> 00:30:06,200 S2: I didn't intend to tell the story, but that's the 511 00:30:06,200 --> 00:30:09,200 S2: whole point, is that there's a legacy that you can 512 00:30:09,200 --> 00:30:12,080 S2: build with your own hands. What's your gift, grandma and grandpa? 513 00:30:12,120 --> 00:30:15,880 S2: What are your gifts? That you can create something or 514 00:30:15,920 --> 00:30:20,050 S2: write something or leave something or sing something, uh, or 515 00:30:20,210 --> 00:30:25,970 S2: plant something that, uh, when you're gone. When you're gone, uh, 516 00:30:26,370 --> 00:30:28,930 S2: they can look back and say, that's from grandpa, that's 517 00:30:28,930 --> 00:30:30,370 S2: from Papa, that's from chief. 518 00:30:30,690 --> 00:30:34,330 S1: You're making that connection from that other generation to them, 519 00:30:34,330 --> 00:30:36,209 S1: even though they can't. And that was the story I 520 00:30:36,210 --> 00:30:38,850 S1: was thinking about, too, because you say if you're a carpenter, 521 00:30:38,890 --> 00:30:41,130 S1: go ahead. Use your skills to make toys and gifts 522 00:30:41,130 --> 00:30:45,930 S1: that last for generations. Second, tell your grandkids good stuff 523 00:30:45,930 --> 00:30:49,610 S1: about your own parents and grandparents. Yeah, hold. You know, 524 00:30:49,690 --> 00:30:53,730 S1: send those stories down to them, and then spending one 525 00:30:53,730 --> 00:30:57,370 S1: on one time with your grandchildren will inevitably, you know, 526 00:30:57,410 --> 00:31:01,290 S1: quality time. Like Gary Chapman says, it will inevitably open 527 00:31:01,290 --> 00:31:05,450 S1: doors to spiritual conversations, pray ahead of time for the 528 00:31:05,450 --> 00:31:08,810 S1: right words to say, and then be open to where 529 00:31:08,810 --> 00:31:11,530 S1: those grandkids are going to take you because you you 530 00:31:11,570 --> 00:31:15,890 S1: never know what's going to happen. Denise is in Georgia. Denise, 531 00:31:15,970 --> 00:31:16,730 S1: go right ahead. 532 00:31:18,050 --> 00:31:21,050 S5: Thank you, Chris, for taking my call. What I'm kind 533 00:31:21,090 --> 00:31:24,130 S5: of going through right now is like my daughter in law, um, 534 00:31:24,170 --> 00:31:28,330 S5: she I we don't click together. And my husband and 535 00:31:28,330 --> 00:31:31,170 S5: her don't click either. And so we don't get to 536 00:31:31,170 --> 00:31:34,090 S5: see our granddaughter as much as we would like to. 537 00:31:34,450 --> 00:31:38,410 S5: And and so that's kind of hard at Christmas time 538 00:31:38,410 --> 00:31:42,010 S5: or any other time. But that is something that you 539 00:31:42,010 --> 00:31:45,650 S5: have to deal with in a relationship and that makes 540 00:31:45,650 --> 00:31:46,290 S5: it hard. 541 00:31:46,610 --> 00:31:49,450 S1: And the fear there then is that this is the 542 00:31:49,450 --> 00:31:51,850 S1: way it's always going to be, that there's going to 543 00:31:51,850 --> 00:31:54,370 S1: be this fissure, you know, this struggle. 544 00:31:54,410 --> 00:31:56,290 S5: Yeah. It's not going to be the only is that 545 00:31:56,410 --> 00:31:59,370 S5: and she's our only granddaughter. And so it's like the 546 00:31:59,370 --> 00:32:01,850 S5: fear is, is that how it's going to be all 547 00:32:01,850 --> 00:32:05,370 S5: the time or can we just can we find something. 548 00:32:06,210 --> 00:32:08,610 S5: Why this isn't clicking. You know, I mean, we love 549 00:32:08,610 --> 00:32:11,850 S5: her to death and but we just don't understand what 550 00:32:11,850 --> 00:32:15,370 S5: her thing is toward us. And so, you know, of course, 551 00:32:15,370 --> 00:32:18,980 S5: the grandkids there. And so you just don't, you know, 552 00:32:19,020 --> 00:32:23,180 S5: it's just a hard thing to kind of go through. 553 00:32:23,420 --> 00:32:24,220 S6: Very hard. 554 00:32:24,860 --> 00:32:25,740 S1: Jay, what do you say? 555 00:32:26,180 --> 00:32:31,340 S2: Well, Denise, first off, you're not alone. There are a 556 00:32:31,340 --> 00:32:35,020 S2: lot of grandparents going through that exact thing. And I 557 00:32:35,020 --> 00:32:38,739 S2: don't know what happened in your situation. Um, and it 558 00:32:38,740 --> 00:32:42,620 S2: might be a spiritual battle. It might be, uh, something 559 00:32:42,620 --> 00:32:47,140 S2: you said once or something that she grew up with. Um, uh, 560 00:32:47,340 --> 00:32:49,380 S2: daughter in law and son in laws that come with 561 00:32:49,380 --> 00:32:52,340 S2: a lot of stuff that we don't even can imagine. Uh, 562 00:32:52,340 --> 00:32:54,900 S2: I'm going to say, uh, I'm not a psychologist. I'm 563 00:32:54,900 --> 00:32:58,340 S2: not a theologian. I'm going to say, just be broken 564 00:32:58,340 --> 00:33:03,740 S2: and apologize and and let them know. Listen, uh, we 565 00:33:03,740 --> 00:33:06,940 S2: just want to love and and your whole family, not 566 00:33:06,940 --> 00:33:08,940 S2: just our grandkids. We want to love on you. What 567 00:33:08,940 --> 00:33:11,660 S2: can we do to to to to bring you joy. 568 00:33:11,780 --> 00:33:15,180 S2: And it's not about cash or gifts. It's about respect 569 00:33:15,180 --> 00:33:22,100 S2: and humility and grace and celebrating the small moments and 570 00:33:22,100 --> 00:33:27,300 S2: not one shred of guilt, not not one shred of guilt. Um, 571 00:33:27,340 --> 00:33:30,020 S2: pull them toward pull her towards you. Every conversation you 572 00:33:30,020 --> 00:33:32,620 S2: have with your with your wonderful daughter in law who's 573 00:33:32,620 --> 00:33:35,420 S2: doing the best she can, every conversation you have with 574 00:33:35,420 --> 00:33:38,020 S2: her or every interaction. Make sure when you hang up 575 00:33:38,020 --> 00:33:40,340 S2: the phone or they pull out of the driveway that 576 00:33:40,340 --> 00:33:42,980 S2: they say, wow, this was a great visit. This was 577 00:33:42,980 --> 00:33:46,580 S2: a great conversation. I'm so glad. And go from there. 578 00:33:46,580 --> 00:33:49,900 S2: Build from there. But it can't be. A guilt is 579 00:33:49,900 --> 00:33:54,860 S2: not guilt or or condemnation or. Oh my golly, it's 580 00:33:54,860 --> 00:33:58,140 S2: not going to do the job. It's all about leaving 581 00:33:58,140 --> 00:34:01,540 S2: them with a smile and, uh, being a little broken 582 00:34:01,540 --> 00:34:07,220 S2: and even apologized and even, uh, and not, uh. Yeah. Okay. That's. 583 00:34:07,260 --> 00:34:08,219 S2: I gotta stop there. 584 00:34:08,540 --> 00:34:11,899 S1: No, I know exactly what you're saying. And because we 585 00:34:11,940 --> 00:34:15,910 S1: don't know. Denise. what your situation is or her situation. 586 00:34:15,950 --> 00:34:19,989 S1: It may be something that's totally out of, uh, you know, 587 00:34:20,030 --> 00:34:23,070 S1: out of out of anything that you've done or said. 588 00:34:23,230 --> 00:34:25,549 S1: But I go back to, I mentioned Gary Chapman. You 589 00:34:25,550 --> 00:34:27,870 S1: find out what her love language is, and it's the 590 00:34:27,870 --> 00:34:30,310 S1: words of affirmation. You write a note to her, or 591 00:34:30,310 --> 00:34:33,989 S1: if it's, uh, quality time or touch, you know, putting 592 00:34:33,989 --> 00:34:36,350 S1: a hand on her shoulder when you do see her. 593 00:34:36,830 --> 00:34:41,029 S1: But I totally agree. Don't make the, uh, we want 594 00:34:41,070 --> 00:34:44,989 S1: to see our grandchild granddaughter more. And why don't you? 595 00:34:45,030 --> 00:34:48,509 S1: You know, that kind of thing pushes away rather than 596 00:34:48,510 --> 00:34:52,550 S1: invites in. Um, so that's one of the big fears. 597 00:34:52,550 --> 00:34:54,550 S1: And you told me a lot of people would call 598 00:34:54,550 --> 00:34:57,989 S1: here today if we got to that fear question. And 599 00:34:57,989 --> 00:35:01,430 S1: here's a caller. Uh, al. Al, go right ahead. 600 00:35:02,110 --> 00:35:05,950 S7: Hi. Yes, I this is almost bringing me to tears. 601 00:35:05,950 --> 00:35:09,310 S7: Thank you for taking my call. I fear sometimes about 602 00:35:09,310 --> 00:35:14,480 S7: just not being around when they're older. They are now seven, 603 00:35:14,520 --> 00:35:18,520 S7: eight and ten, and I'm just told they are the 604 00:35:18,880 --> 00:35:21,479 S7: darlings of my life. I just love them. And then 605 00:35:21,480 --> 00:35:23,960 S7: I think I said, Lord, what if something happens to me? 606 00:35:24,360 --> 00:35:27,160 S7: I can't be around them until, you know, if something happens, 607 00:35:27,320 --> 00:35:31,360 S7: whereas they grow older and I'm not here, I'm not 608 00:35:31,360 --> 00:35:35,520 S7: necessarily dead, but, you know, mentally or I'm limited and 609 00:35:35,520 --> 00:35:37,719 S7: I can't do what I like doing with them. I 610 00:35:37,719 --> 00:35:41,120 S7: can't keep them, I can't make breakfast for them. And 611 00:35:41,120 --> 00:35:47,240 S7: then I worry about one of my fears is, oh, God, 612 00:35:47,280 --> 00:35:51,040 S7: the computers, the, you know, competing with them as they 613 00:35:51,040 --> 00:35:55,440 S7: get older, the telephones and their friends and them thinking, 614 00:35:55,480 --> 00:35:58,680 S7: you know, grandma, we don't have time right now. We 615 00:35:58,719 --> 00:36:02,680 S7: are involved in this, uh, activity and, well, grandma, I'll 616 00:36:02,680 --> 00:36:05,240 S7: see you instead of them seeing me now as often 617 00:36:05,239 --> 00:36:09,680 S7: as they do, which is almost every holiday in some weekends. Grandma. 618 00:36:09,680 --> 00:36:12,120 S7: We'll see you in the summer. Grandma, we're not going 619 00:36:12,120 --> 00:36:14,759 S7: to be around. And that just bothers me. And I know. 620 00:36:14,800 --> 00:36:15,080 S6: That. 621 00:36:15,120 --> 00:36:17,680 S1: You know what we should do here, al, is play. 622 00:36:17,719 --> 00:36:20,520 S1: Cat's in the cradle by Harry Chapin. You know, child 623 00:36:20,520 --> 00:36:23,759 S1: arrived just the other day. Um, because, you know, he 624 00:36:23,760 --> 00:36:26,239 S1: got my son had become just like me because I 625 00:36:26,239 --> 00:36:28,440 S1: was too busy. You know, I was too busy. And 626 00:36:28,440 --> 00:36:31,200 S1: the kids can do the same thing. I think your 627 00:36:31,200 --> 00:36:35,040 S1: your fear is touching a nerve. J. Do you agree? 628 00:36:35,920 --> 00:36:39,360 S2: Well, uh, yeah, again, that's one of the things that, uh, 629 00:36:39,360 --> 00:36:42,680 S2: every grandparent goes through. Uh, and I'm going to say 630 00:36:42,760 --> 00:36:46,399 S2: bye into the busyness, bye into the fact that they 631 00:36:46,400 --> 00:36:50,320 S2: are they're they're tech savvy and we're not. Maybe a 632 00:36:50,400 --> 00:36:54,600 S2: way to connect with them is to, uh, instead of, uh. Well, 633 00:36:54,800 --> 00:36:59,480 S2: Josh McDowell, whose radio production I produced for years, radio program, 634 00:36:59,480 --> 00:37:01,879 S2: used to say, uh, if you make time for them 635 00:37:01,880 --> 00:37:04,960 S2: when they're little, they'll make time for you later. Um, 636 00:37:05,320 --> 00:37:10,450 S2: and later, they have different needs. Um, so ask them 637 00:37:10,450 --> 00:37:14,250 S2: to help you set up a your computer or some 638 00:37:14,290 --> 00:37:18,610 S2: some app. Uh, call them specifically. Get their text and 639 00:37:18,610 --> 00:37:21,410 S2: text them. Text them little things. Uh, once in a 640 00:37:21,450 --> 00:37:24,649 S2: while it's like, oh, that darn squirrel, uh, jumped on 641 00:37:24,650 --> 00:37:28,210 S2: our bird feeder again, and that's it. And they may 642 00:37:28,210 --> 00:37:30,530 S2: respond to you right away, or they may not respond 643 00:37:30,530 --> 00:37:32,610 S2: to you at all, or they may respond in a week, 644 00:37:32,969 --> 00:37:35,089 S2: live in their world. See if you can join them 645 00:37:35,090 --> 00:37:37,290 S2: in their world, show up at their events and just 646 00:37:37,290 --> 00:37:40,090 S2: give them a wave and they'll come over and say, hi, grandma, 647 00:37:40,090 --> 00:37:42,810 S2: thanks for coming. And that might be all you get 648 00:37:42,810 --> 00:37:47,370 S2: right then. But you enter their world, uh, show up 649 00:37:47,370 --> 00:37:52,290 S2: for them. And, uh, that might be a way that 650 00:37:52,290 --> 00:37:54,810 S2: you can connect that little surprise. All of you. 651 00:37:54,969 --> 00:37:55,410 S6: Hmm. 652 00:37:55,690 --> 00:37:59,650 S1: There's another legacy. And I mentioned this legacy gift thing 653 00:37:59,690 --> 00:38:04,930 S1: a little earlier, and that is maybe if you're afraid, al, of, 654 00:38:05,170 --> 00:38:08,049 S1: you know, you won't have the mental faculties down the 655 00:38:08,170 --> 00:38:11,530 S1: road or you're going to pass away. Maybe you start 656 00:38:11,570 --> 00:38:15,890 S1: now to write letters to them and to, uh, explain 657 00:38:15,890 --> 00:38:17,969 S1: when they were young. You know, this is what we 658 00:38:17,969 --> 00:38:20,609 S1: did together, and I have such great feelings about this. 659 00:38:20,610 --> 00:38:24,930 S1: So you start to write these letters and and make this, uh, 660 00:38:24,969 --> 00:38:29,489 S1: little book or notebook or whatever it is of memories 661 00:38:29,489 --> 00:38:32,450 S1: that you have of them speaking into their life, that 662 00:38:32,450 --> 00:38:35,570 S1: you share your own heart. And this is what happened 663 00:38:35,570 --> 00:38:37,410 S1: to you as a little girl. And you want to 664 00:38:37,410 --> 00:38:41,450 S1: pass this down to them. That might be another idea 665 00:38:41,450 --> 00:38:44,690 S1: that you can use that takes your heart, you know, 666 00:38:44,730 --> 00:38:48,009 S1: and speaks into their life that they might not as 667 00:38:48,010 --> 00:38:50,770 S1: they open it now, they might not, uh, it doesn't 668 00:38:50,770 --> 00:38:53,770 S1: click with them. But down the road one of these 669 00:38:53,770 --> 00:38:56,730 S1: days they're going to open it and they're going to see, uh, 670 00:38:56,730 --> 00:39:02,050 S1: my grandma Al took this time to give this to me. 671 00:39:02,090 --> 00:39:15,219 S1: What a gift. More straight ahead. What happens in your 672 00:39:15,219 --> 00:39:19,979 S1: heart when you hear this song? When you hear this 673 00:39:19,980 --> 00:39:25,500 S1: music from the 1960s. I was four years old when 674 00:39:25,500 --> 00:39:30,219 S1: Vince Guaraldi came out with this. And I remember the 675 00:39:30,219 --> 00:39:35,899 S1: feeling of my older brother said, Charlie Brown, Christmas is 676 00:39:35,900 --> 00:39:38,300 S1: going to be on tonight. We gotta gotta be there 677 00:39:38,300 --> 00:39:41,940 S1: at 7:00 on CBS or whatever it was. Did you 678 00:39:41,940 --> 00:39:43,500 S1: have that same thing? J. 679 00:39:45,380 --> 00:39:48,660 S2: Well, yeah. This was the 60th anniversary of that special 680 00:39:48,660 --> 00:39:55,140 S2: that almost never aired. Um, the CBS executive said, uh, 681 00:39:55,180 --> 00:39:58,420 S2: first off, the jazz music, we don't get that. We can't. 682 00:39:58,500 --> 00:40:01,020 S2: This is a children's program that doesn't work. And the 683 00:40:01,020 --> 00:40:05,259 S2: sketchy animation and the voice actors are kids. We, you know, 684 00:40:05,300 --> 00:40:07,259 S2: we need to get professional voice actors to get the 685 00:40:07,260 --> 00:40:11,379 S2: right inflection. Uh, and then, of course, you're reading from 686 00:40:11,380 --> 00:40:14,899 S2: the Bible in the middle of this broadcast. That's ridiculous. 687 00:40:15,100 --> 00:40:18,620 S2: Ten days. Ten days before the, uh, the airing, they said, no, 688 00:40:18,620 --> 00:40:21,020 S2: we're going to pull it. And then somebody said, no, 689 00:40:21,020 --> 00:40:24,540 S2: we can't, because Coca-Cola is already doing promotion for it, 690 00:40:24,540 --> 00:40:30,020 S2: so we gotta air it. But, um, you guys remember this, right? And, Chris, I, uh, 691 00:40:30,580 --> 00:40:32,420 S2: I've got this talk I do. I just gave it 692 00:40:32,420 --> 00:40:38,779 S2: last week, called Be Like Linus for Christmas, be like Linus. And, uh, 693 00:40:38,820 --> 00:40:42,060 S2: we know, uh, that Linus was Lucy's little brother, and 694 00:40:42,060 --> 00:40:44,580 S2: his last name was Van Pelt. But what do we know, Chris? 695 00:40:44,620 --> 00:40:46,700 S2: What do we know most about Linus? What do you. 696 00:40:46,739 --> 00:40:49,020 S2: What is he known for? He had. He had a blanket, 697 00:40:49,219 --> 00:40:51,859 S2: and he never let it go. That was part of 698 00:40:51,860 --> 00:40:57,180 S2: his his shtick. Shtick? Um, he never let it go. Um, 699 00:40:57,380 --> 00:41:00,460 S2: and then again, I think most of our listeners, I 700 00:41:00,460 --> 00:41:04,910 S2: think even 20 somethings have seen this, this broadcast multiple 701 00:41:04,910 --> 00:41:09,430 S2: times and they can picture the scene. Charlie Brown is saying, 702 00:41:09,670 --> 00:41:14,350 S2: can anyone tell me what Christmas is all about? And Linus, 703 00:41:14,390 --> 00:41:18,029 S2: in his low key fashion, says, sure, Charlie Brown, I 704 00:41:18,030 --> 00:41:20,509 S2: can tell you what Christmas is all about. And then 705 00:41:20,510 --> 00:41:24,069 S2: he walks to the center of the stage and he says, lights, please. 706 00:41:25,310 --> 00:41:27,870 S2: And then he says. Then he goes into Luke chapter two. 707 00:41:28,350 --> 00:41:31,270 S2: And there were in the same country shepherds abiding in 708 00:41:31,270 --> 00:41:34,469 S2: the field. And he's only holding onto his blanket in 709 00:41:34,469 --> 00:41:36,989 S2: the middle of the stage. And there were shepherds in 710 00:41:36,989 --> 00:41:39,989 S2: the in the middle, hanging out in the middle of 711 00:41:39,989 --> 00:41:43,310 S2: the field. Uh, fly by night. And lo, the angel 712 00:41:43,310 --> 00:41:46,069 S2: of the Lord came upon them, and the glory of 713 00:41:46,070 --> 00:41:49,469 S2: the Lord shone round about them, and they were sore afraid. 714 00:41:49,910 --> 00:41:54,549 S2: And the angel said unto them, fear not. And, Chris, 715 00:41:54,950 --> 00:41:57,590 S2: I'm not sure you realize that most people don't. When 716 00:41:57,630 --> 00:42:04,750 S2: Linus says, fear not, he drops the blanket. Because we 717 00:42:04,750 --> 00:42:07,390 S2: have nothing to fear anymore. Ladies and gentlemen, we have 718 00:42:07,390 --> 00:42:12,230 S2: nothing to fear anymore. Because the Messiah has been born 719 00:42:12,230 --> 00:42:16,270 S2: in Bethlehem, in the city of David. Um, Charlie Brown 720 00:42:16,270 --> 00:42:21,150 S2: is looking on, and he he had already identified early 721 00:42:21,150 --> 00:42:24,870 S2: in the broadcast that he's afraid of everything. Sitting at 722 00:42:24,910 --> 00:42:32,070 S2: Lucy's psychiatrist booth. Um, uh, Charlie Brown, are you afraid of, uh, uh, phobia? 723 00:42:32,710 --> 00:42:35,350 S2: What's that? The fear of everything. That's it. He yells. 724 00:42:35,390 --> 00:42:38,390 S2: Charlie Brown doesn't have to be afraid anymore. You and I, Chris, 725 00:42:38,390 --> 00:42:41,350 S2: don't have to be afraid anymore. And can you imagine 726 00:42:41,350 --> 00:42:45,310 S2: sitting down with your grandkids and watching this fun little 727 00:42:45,310 --> 00:42:48,589 S2: program with the kids and that kind of thing? Um, 728 00:42:48,790 --> 00:42:51,670 S2: and then that comes on, and you can you can 729 00:42:51,670 --> 00:42:56,109 S2: stop the VCR or pause the pause the playback and say, well, 730 00:42:56,110 --> 00:42:59,029 S2: look at that. He dropped his blanket. Why do you 731 00:42:59,030 --> 00:43:01,960 S2: think that is? What a conversation that is what a 732 00:43:02,000 --> 00:43:06,960 S2: gift that is. Charles Schulz was pushing back. They wanted 733 00:43:06,960 --> 00:43:10,840 S2: to cut that that Luke chapter two reading. And he said, quote, 734 00:43:11,800 --> 00:43:15,160 S2: we have to keep it in. If if we don't play, 735 00:43:15,160 --> 00:43:17,640 S2: if we don't play it, if we don't, if we 736 00:43:17,640 --> 00:43:22,120 S2: don't recite it, who? Who will? Yes. Um. And he 737 00:43:22,120 --> 00:43:25,000 S2: stuck to his guns, and now it's 60 years later. 738 00:43:25,239 --> 00:43:26,359 S2: It's a classic. 739 00:43:26,560 --> 00:43:30,759 S1: It all falls apart. Without that, without that. And you 740 00:43:30,760 --> 00:43:33,719 S1: know the humor in everything. And Pigpen and I always 741 00:43:33,719 --> 00:43:36,319 S1: love when Pigpen dances. And there's this cloud of dust. 742 00:43:36,640 --> 00:43:40,520 S1: Cloud of dust around him. But you're right. There's something. 743 00:43:40,640 --> 00:43:42,719 S1: And I've heard the two Michaels are going to be 744 00:43:42,719 --> 00:43:46,800 S1: here on Thursday, and they've said, uh, that, that that 745 00:43:46,800 --> 00:43:49,720 S1: was one of the first times if, if not the, 746 00:43:49,760 --> 00:43:52,759 S1: the first time they ever heard of Jesus and what 747 00:43:52,760 --> 00:43:57,000 S1: the gospel really was all about. They heard it from peanuts, 748 00:43:57,040 --> 00:44:01,280 S1: you know, 1965. Um, let me get to Charlene before 749 00:44:01,280 --> 00:44:04,280 S1: we end here today in Michigan. Charlene, why did you call? 750 00:44:05,400 --> 00:44:07,480 S4: Well, the thing that I fear the most is that 751 00:44:07,480 --> 00:44:10,359 S4: they'll forget me. I heard, I think, on your show 752 00:44:10,400 --> 00:44:13,200 S4: one time that if you don't remember your great grandparents, 753 00:44:13,520 --> 00:44:16,800 S4: then why would you think your great grandchildren will remember you? 754 00:44:17,320 --> 00:44:20,560 S4: So I don't want them to forget me. Um, but 755 00:44:20,560 --> 00:44:24,680 S4: my my tradition is Jesus birthday cake. I always either 756 00:44:24,680 --> 00:44:27,399 S4: bake a cake or order a cake, and we sing 757 00:44:27,400 --> 00:44:30,839 S4: Happy Birthday. And then I ask my grandkids, what gift 758 00:44:30,840 --> 00:44:34,160 S4: did you give Jesus this this season? Just a cup 759 00:44:34,160 --> 00:44:36,360 S4: of cold water. You know, what have you done besides 760 00:44:36,360 --> 00:44:38,960 S4: thinking about what you're going to get? Have you done it? 761 00:44:39,000 --> 00:44:40,120 S4: It just makes them think. 762 00:44:40,680 --> 00:44:43,240 S1: Yes. Oh, that's really good. Jay, what do you say? 763 00:44:43,560 --> 00:44:47,360 S2: Well, um, who doesn't love cake, right? So in the middle, 764 00:44:47,400 --> 00:44:49,120 S2: you can you can have cake and then you can 765 00:44:49,120 --> 00:44:52,800 S2: talk about it, uh, making something that they love into 766 00:44:52,800 --> 00:44:55,320 S2: a lesson. That's awesome. Charlene. Well done. 767 00:44:55,640 --> 00:44:59,930 S1: Yeah, absolutely. So, Jay, with this book, A Grand Way 768 00:44:59,930 --> 00:45:03,930 S1: to Live. What do you, uh, hope that grandparents do 769 00:45:03,969 --> 00:45:06,370 S1: as they go through this? They hold it in their hands. 770 00:45:06,810 --> 00:45:09,290 S2: Well, it is a it's a true devotional. It's got 771 00:45:09,330 --> 00:45:11,850 S2: it's got 90 different readings. And there are some that 772 00:45:11,850 --> 00:45:14,730 S2: are silly, some that are deep, but some that will 773 00:45:14,730 --> 00:45:19,210 S2: make you cry a little bit, some that you can share. Um, so, uh, 774 00:45:19,650 --> 00:45:22,930 S2: and there's not that many devotionals for grandparents, but here's 775 00:45:22,930 --> 00:45:26,810 S2: what I'm thinking. It might be most valuable, uh, moms 776 00:45:26,810 --> 00:45:30,210 S2: and dads. Uh, I don't want anybody to give me 777 00:45:30,210 --> 00:45:33,410 S2: a devotional. Don't give me devotional. I'll pick out my 778 00:45:33,410 --> 00:45:35,770 S2: own devotional. But if a if a mom and dad 779 00:45:35,770 --> 00:45:39,250 S2: gives this to their mom or dad to grandma or grandpa, 780 00:45:39,489 --> 00:45:43,330 S2: what you're doing is saying, oh, what you're doing is 781 00:45:43,330 --> 00:45:46,290 S2: saying Mom and Dad, thank you for the legacy. I'm 782 00:45:46,290 --> 00:45:49,770 S2: acknowledging the legacy that you left us, the faith you 783 00:45:49,770 --> 00:45:53,210 S2: gave us. I'm acknowledging that I know it's important to you, 784 00:45:53,210 --> 00:45:55,210 S2: and I'm giving this book to you. And by the way, 785 00:45:55,370 --> 00:45:59,290 S2: you know what? We might approach our faith a little differently. Sometimes, uh, 786 00:45:59,730 --> 00:46:04,010 S2: a little different priorities and such. But man, oh, man, uh, 787 00:46:04,650 --> 00:46:06,890 S2: you're you're your grandchildren are going to be with you 788 00:46:06,890 --> 00:46:09,290 S2: in heaven. We're going to make sure of that. Um, 789 00:46:10,130 --> 00:46:12,850 S2: Jesus and biblical truth are central to our home. So 790 00:46:12,850 --> 00:46:15,009 S2: this gift, if you give it to your mom or 791 00:46:15,010 --> 00:46:19,450 S2: dad for Christmas, it says it's reassuring to them that 792 00:46:19,450 --> 00:46:22,810 S2: they did something right. And, uh, I'm looking forward to 793 00:46:22,850 --> 00:46:27,330 S2: hearing stories about that this year from, um, from folks who, uh, 794 00:46:27,969 --> 00:46:29,130 S2: who use it that way. 795 00:46:29,530 --> 00:46:31,810 S1: You were telling me off the air that that is 796 00:46:31,810 --> 00:46:36,450 S1: the number one fear of grandparents is will my grandkids 797 00:46:36,770 --> 00:46:40,570 S1: be with me in heaven? A grand way to live faith, wisdom, 798 00:46:40,570 --> 00:46:44,370 S1: and joy for every grandparent featured resource Chris Fabry lives 799 00:46:45,090 --> 00:46:47,969 S1: a programs a production of Moody Radio, a ministry of 800 00:46:48,010 --> 00:46:51,130 S1: Moody Bible Institute. Thanks for listening.