1 00:00:00,040 --> 00:00:02,480 S1: Hi friends. Thanks so much for downloading this podcast, and 2 00:00:02,480 --> 00:00:06,000 S1: I hope truly that you will hear something that will encourage, edify, equip, 3 00:00:06,000 --> 00:00:08,360 S1: and enlighten you to get out there and influence and 4 00:00:08,400 --> 00:00:11,040 S1: occupy until he comes. And on that note, may I 5 00:00:11,039 --> 00:00:13,080 S1: take just a few moments here to describe this month's 6 00:00:13,080 --> 00:00:15,920 S1: truth tool? It's by pastor Jack Hibbs. He's written the 7 00:00:15,920 --> 00:00:19,040 S1: book called Called to Take a Bold Stand. I absolutely 8 00:00:19,040 --> 00:00:21,520 S1: love this book because it reminds us that in Christ 9 00:00:21,520 --> 00:00:24,480 S1: all things pass away. All things become new, that we 10 00:00:24,480 --> 00:00:27,240 S1: are standing for his truth, that we have a new nature. 11 00:00:27,240 --> 00:00:30,080 S1: Because of him, we should be living boldly. But far 12 00:00:30,080 --> 00:00:33,120 S1: too often we retreat out of fear from cultural blowback. 13 00:00:33,320 --> 00:00:35,600 S1: So I want to encourage all of us to just 14 00:00:35,600 --> 00:00:37,800 S1: stand up for Christ, to be unashamed of who we 15 00:00:37,800 --> 00:00:40,120 S1: are in him, and to go into a culture that's 16 00:00:40,120 --> 00:00:43,600 S1: telling us in no uncertain terms. They're lost and they're hurting. 17 00:00:43,600 --> 00:00:45,720 S1: So if you'd like a copy of Pastor Hibbs new 18 00:00:45,720 --> 00:00:48,400 S1: book called Call to Take a Bold Stand, just give 19 00:00:48,400 --> 00:00:50,720 S1: a gift of any amount by calling eight, seven, seven. 20 00:00:50,720 --> 00:00:53,680 S1: Janet 58. 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Hi friends, this is Janet Partial 40 00:01:46,200 --> 00:01:48,080 S1: and I want to welcome you to the best of 41 00:01:48,120 --> 00:01:51,080 S1: in the market. Today's program is prerecorded so our phone 42 00:01:51,080 --> 00:01:53,160 S1: lines are not open, but I do hope you'll enjoy 43 00:01:53,160 --> 00:01:55,600 S1: today's edition of The Best of In the Market with 44 00:01:55,600 --> 00:01:56,520 S1: Janet Parshall. 45 00:01:57,000 --> 00:01:58,550 S2: Here are some of the news headlines we're watching. 46 00:01:58,910 --> 00:02:01,070 S3: The conference was over. The president won a pledge. 47 00:02:01,270 --> 00:02:03,309 S4: Americans worshiping government over God. 48 00:02:03,630 --> 00:02:06,070 S5: Extremely rare safety move by a mage. 49 00:02:06,110 --> 00:02:09,510 S4: 17 years. The Palestinians and Israelis negotiated everything. 50 00:02:24,790 --> 00:02:25,470 S5: Hi, friends. 51 00:02:25,470 --> 00:02:27,829 S1: Welcome to in the market with Janet partial. A very 52 00:02:27,870 --> 00:02:30,190 S1: happy Wednesday to you. Thank you so very much for 53 00:02:30,190 --> 00:02:33,830 S1: joining me this hour. And as we get into our conversation, 54 00:02:33,830 --> 00:02:37,630 S1: which I pray will be edifying for you and encouraging and, well, 55 00:02:37,669 --> 00:02:39,990 S1: in full transparency, I hope it will make you bolder 56 00:02:39,990 --> 00:02:43,630 S1: for the gospel of Jesus Christ. You and I carry 57 00:02:43,630 --> 00:02:47,910 S1: within us this imperishable message. I don't know about you, 58 00:02:47,910 --> 00:02:50,150 S1: but I'm still blown away that God would pour his 59 00:02:50,150 --> 00:02:54,990 S1: profound message of salvation into our lives, into our hearts. 60 00:02:55,150 --> 00:02:58,870 S1: We are fractured vessels were cracked pots, if you will. 61 00:02:59,110 --> 00:03:02,790 S1: And yet he gives us the privilege of living out 62 00:03:02,830 --> 00:03:05,270 S1: the eloquence of the gospel, as it says in the 63 00:03:05,270 --> 00:03:09,110 S1: tombstone of William Wilberforce. And people get a chance to 64 00:03:09,150 --> 00:03:12,230 S1: see Christ in us. But our job also is to 65 00:03:12,270 --> 00:03:15,110 S1: tell others about Christ. Is it going to be easy? 66 00:03:15,150 --> 00:03:17,710 S1: Absolutely not. And Jesus told us that. They said, if 67 00:03:17,710 --> 00:03:21,430 S1: they revile you, remember they reviled against me first. In 68 00:03:21,430 --> 00:03:24,070 S1: other words, if they hate you, remember they hated me first. 69 00:03:24,110 --> 00:03:26,510 S1: That's a good reminder that in the end, it really 70 00:03:26,510 --> 00:03:30,350 S1: wasn't about Jesus, the person, the God-Man, it wasn't really 71 00:03:30,350 --> 00:03:32,589 S1: about you or me. It's the message. It is why 72 00:03:32,590 --> 00:03:35,150 S1: it is referred to as the offense of the cross. 73 00:03:35,510 --> 00:03:37,990 S1: And when you're told that you've sinned, when you've told 74 00:03:37,990 --> 00:03:40,830 S1: that you've turned your back on God, when you're told 75 00:03:40,830 --> 00:03:43,910 S1: that without the redemption and the salvation of Jesus Christ, 76 00:03:43,910 --> 00:03:46,910 S1: the recognition of your sins, the confession of your sins, 77 00:03:46,910 --> 00:03:49,270 S1: and asking God to come into your life, forgive you 78 00:03:49,310 --> 00:03:52,550 S1: your sins and take him away. And knowing that when 79 00:03:52,550 --> 00:03:55,270 S1: that happens, your name is written forever in the Lamb's 80 00:03:55,270 --> 00:03:57,150 S1: Book of Life, and nothing and no one can separate 81 00:03:57,150 --> 00:03:59,110 S1: you from the love of God. That's the best news 82 00:03:59,110 --> 00:04:01,470 S1: mankind has ever heard. The antithesis of that is you 83 00:04:01,510 --> 00:04:04,270 S1: go to hell now. Oh, how un-pc in a culture 84 00:04:04,270 --> 00:04:07,190 S1: like we find ourselves today. So I want us to 85 00:04:07,190 --> 00:04:10,990 S1: talk a little bit about this phrase wicked and perverse generation. 86 00:04:10,990 --> 00:04:13,230 S1: It really has. I been digging into the word lately. 87 00:04:13,230 --> 00:04:15,110 S1: That's really come up a couple of times. And I 88 00:04:15,150 --> 00:04:19,350 S1: found something fascinating about this, that phrase, a wicked and perverse. 89 00:04:19,350 --> 00:04:23,750 S1: Some translations say adulterous generation is something that Jesus said 90 00:04:23,750 --> 00:04:28,550 S1: in Matthew 16 four. Now that's interesting to me that 91 00:04:28,550 --> 00:04:30,710 S1: he would be talking about it. And he was really 92 00:04:30,710 --> 00:04:34,190 S1: recognizing the fact that there were people outside who were 93 00:04:34,190 --> 00:04:37,270 S1: turning their back on God. They were people who were 94 00:04:37,270 --> 00:04:41,349 S1: marked by unbelief, spiritual corruption, and rebellion against God. And 95 00:04:41,350 --> 00:04:45,710 S1: these were also people who wanted signs more than the truth, 96 00:04:45,710 --> 00:04:47,630 S1: as truth was standing in front of them. And his 97 00:04:47,630 --> 00:04:50,310 S1: name is Jesus. But I find it also very interesting 98 00:04:50,310 --> 00:04:52,990 S1: that we've seen that phrase, that same phrase in the 99 00:04:52,990 --> 00:04:56,109 S1: book of Philippians, Paul said as he's writing to the 100 00:04:56,110 --> 00:04:59,870 S1: church at Philippi, do all things without murmuring and questions, 101 00:04:59,870 --> 00:05:03,589 S1: that you may become blameless and harmless children of God 102 00:05:03,589 --> 00:05:07,710 S1: without rebuke, in the midst of a crooked and perverse generation, 103 00:05:07,750 --> 00:05:11,469 S1: among whom ye are seen as lights in the world. 104 00:05:11,670 --> 00:05:14,150 S1: So there it is. Paul talks about it. Jesus talks 105 00:05:14,150 --> 00:05:17,110 S1: about it. You and I are living in the midst 106 00:05:17,110 --> 00:05:19,310 S1: of a wicked and perverse generation. How do we know 107 00:05:19,310 --> 00:05:21,790 S1: that good is called evil? Evil is called good. And 108 00:05:21,790 --> 00:05:24,350 S1: quite frankly, people are doing what's right in their own eyes. 109 00:05:24,350 --> 00:05:26,830 S1: That's pretty wicked and that's pretty corrupt. I want to 110 00:05:26,830 --> 00:05:29,510 S1: give you a classic example of this, for example. Uh, 111 00:05:29,510 --> 00:05:33,029 S1: apparently there's a concern now what's going on in the Netherlands. 112 00:05:33,029 --> 00:05:36,750 S1: And that's because four and a half years after he 113 00:05:36,750 --> 00:05:40,349 S1: was diagnosed with autism, he was on the spectrum. A 114 00:05:40,350 --> 00:05:43,990 S1: Dutch teen was euthanized at his request. Wait, wait. He 115 00:05:43,990 --> 00:05:47,469 S1: was a teenager with euthanasia. He said that life was joyless. 116 00:05:47,470 --> 00:05:49,830 S1: That's how he described his life. And he struggled with anxiety, 117 00:05:49,940 --> 00:05:52,900 S1: mood related problems and where he fit into the world. 118 00:05:52,900 --> 00:05:56,779 S1: And he was oversensitive to stimuli as very often non-neurotypical 119 00:05:56,779 --> 00:06:00,580 S1: people are. And everyday apparently was supposed to be a deal, 120 00:06:00,620 --> 00:06:02,540 S1: an ordeal that he had to go through that according 121 00:06:02,580 --> 00:06:05,820 S1: to an annual report that's put out from the Netherlands 122 00:06:05,820 --> 00:06:08,739 S1: Regional Euthanasia Death Review Committee in the final weeks before 123 00:06:08,740 --> 00:06:12,100 S1: his death. Allegedly, he laid in bed all the time. 124 00:06:12,460 --> 00:06:15,040 S1: And so, despite his young age, he was between 16 125 00:06:15,040 --> 00:06:18,580 S1: and 18. His doctors had no doubts whatsoever that the 126 00:06:18,580 --> 00:06:21,740 S1: youth had a mental capacity to appreciate what he was seeking, 127 00:06:21,740 --> 00:06:24,260 S1: and there was no prospect of improvement, according to the 128 00:06:24,260 --> 00:06:27,340 S1: case report. Let me pause right there. I have six grandbabies. 129 00:06:27,700 --> 00:06:29,940 S1: I can tell you that two of the six are 130 00:06:29,940 --> 00:06:33,860 S1: on the spectrum. They are precious. They are priceless. They 131 00:06:33,900 --> 00:06:36,539 S1: are irreplaceable. Do they look at the world a little differently? 132 00:06:36,540 --> 00:06:39,060 S1: They do. And it makes them all the more precious 133 00:06:39,060 --> 00:06:41,779 S1: to me. And very often I will see them react 134 00:06:41,779 --> 00:06:44,420 S1: because they can be overstimulated by noise, or they don't 135 00:06:44,420 --> 00:06:48,340 S1: make eye contact, or they get very intensely riveted to 136 00:06:48,380 --> 00:06:51,140 S1: one particular subject. Ask them about dinosaurs or Star Wars. 137 00:06:51,140 --> 00:06:52,940 S1: They can tell you everything under the sun. That's just 138 00:06:52,940 --> 00:06:55,179 S1: the way it works. And I love them to death. 139 00:06:55,500 --> 00:06:58,300 S1: I would never think because they were dealing with depression, 140 00:06:58,300 --> 00:07:01,380 S1: which very often autism comes with what we call co-morbidity 141 00:07:01,380 --> 00:07:05,219 S1: another diagnosis. And these individuals very often have to take 142 00:07:05,220 --> 00:07:08,500 S1: medication to help with early onset bipolar or depression or 143 00:07:08,500 --> 00:07:11,500 S1: something else that goes along with the autism spectrum. But 144 00:07:11,500 --> 00:07:13,700 S1: in the United States of America, we would never once 145 00:07:13,740 --> 00:07:16,820 S1: think of ending the life of a child with autism 146 00:07:16,820 --> 00:07:19,340 S1: because he found life to be joyless. In fact, we 147 00:07:19,340 --> 00:07:22,180 S1: would aggressively say, how can we give this young man 148 00:07:22,180 --> 00:07:25,260 S1: or this young girl the support that they need? The 149 00:07:25,260 --> 00:07:28,580 S1: problem is, his death now is emblematic of a marked 150 00:07:28,580 --> 00:07:33,900 S1: increase in psychiatric euthanasia that's taking place in the Netherlands. Uh, 151 00:07:33,900 --> 00:07:36,860 S1: in fact, professor of medicine at the University of Toronto 152 00:07:36,860 --> 00:07:40,500 S1: and the past president of the Canadian Psychiatric Association, said 153 00:07:40,700 --> 00:07:45,620 S1: that this Dutch experience of euthanizing people with psychiatric issues, quote, 154 00:07:45,700 --> 00:07:47,980 S1: should be taken as a wake up call. Now, this 155 00:07:47,980 --> 00:07:51,220 S1: is interesting because euthanasia is rampant in Canada. They have 156 00:07:51,220 --> 00:07:54,620 S1: something called maid medical aid in dying, and they're watching 157 00:07:54,620 --> 00:07:56,820 S1: what's happening in the Netherlands. And that's been around, by 158 00:07:56,820 --> 00:08:01,179 S1: the way, to euthanize people with mental health issues since 2002. 159 00:08:01,380 --> 00:08:04,060 S1: They said once upon a time, virtually nonexistent 1 or 160 00:08:04,060 --> 00:08:07,580 S1: 2 cases per year between 2002 and 2010. Now, the 161 00:08:07,580 --> 00:08:10,180 S1: problem is, however, they're seeing more and more people who 162 00:08:10,180 --> 00:08:13,780 S1: are dealing with this particular issue. That's a problem. So 163 00:08:13,820 --> 00:08:15,820 S1: I point this out to you only because it's a 164 00:08:15,820 --> 00:08:19,860 S1: perfect example, again, of living in a wicked and perverse generation. 165 00:08:20,060 --> 00:08:23,860 S1: Rather than finding someone who needs help and saying, you're depressed, 166 00:08:23,860 --> 00:08:25,940 S1: you're confused, you're trying to figure out how to process 167 00:08:25,940 --> 00:08:28,060 S1: the world. What can we do to come alongside, to 168 00:08:28,100 --> 00:08:30,260 S1: support you, to love you, to let you know that 169 00:08:30,260 --> 00:08:32,939 S1: God made you in a very special way, and that 170 00:08:32,940 --> 00:08:35,620 S1: he values you and that he loves you. And even 171 00:08:35,620 --> 00:08:38,620 S1: if life seems joyless sometimes, let's talk about how you 172 00:08:38,620 --> 00:08:42,060 S1: can have a peace that passes understanding. Let's introduce you 173 00:08:42,059 --> 00:08:44,780 S1: to the unconditional lover of your soul. The last thing 174 00:08:44,780 --> 00:08:46,820 S1: you're going to say is, let's help you take your 175 00:08:46,820 --> 00:08:51,660 S1: own life. That is emblematic of a wicked and perverse generation. Now, 176 00:08:51,660 --> 00:08:54,220 S1: why do I share this with you? AM I discouraged? No, 177 00:08:54,700 --> 00:08:56,900 S1: I've said it before. I'll say it again. This is 178 00:08:56,900 --> 00:08:59,980 S1: a quintessential example of a world turned upside down, but 179 00:08:59,980 --> 00:09:02,220 S1: a world that does exactly what a world does without 180 00:09:02,220 --> 00:09:05,420 S1: Jesus Christ as its center. So I share these stories 181 00:09:05,420 --> 00:09:08,179 S1: with you to recognize the fact that even though we 182 00:09:08,220 --> 00:09:11,340 S1: are in a wicked and perverse generation, as Paul said 183 00:09:11,340 --> 00:09:13,660 S1: when he was writing to the church of Philippi, we 184 00:09:13,900 --> 00:09:16,300 S1: are called to be what lights in the world to 185 00:09:16,340 --> 00:09:19,179 S1: live boldly for the cause of the cross, so that 186 00:09:19,179 --> 00:09:21,219 S1: people know beyond a shadow of a doubt they're there. 187 00:09:21,260 --> 00:09:23,900 S1: That's one of those followers of the way. Without opening 188 00:09:23,900 --> 00:09:26,620 S1: our mouth, they would be able to see that our 189 00:09:26,620 --> 00:09:29,060 S1: lives are markedly different. Not because of who we are, 190 00:09:29,220 --> 00:09:31,660 S1: but because who dwells in us and who we have 191 00:09:31,660 --> 00:09:34,900 S1: the privilege of representing. I don't know about you, but 192 00:09:34,940 --> 00:09:37,420 S1: while it's tough and there are challenges of being in 193 00:09:37,420 --> 00:09:40,180 S1: a wicked and perverse generation, I wouldn't want to live 194 00:09:40,179 --> 00:09:42,540 S1: anywhere else at any other time. What an opportunity to 195 00:09:42,610 --> 00:09:54,209 S1: let our light shine for him. Back after this. The 196 00:09:54,210 --> 00:09:56,650 S1: Bible calls us to stand for his truth, that we 197 00:09:56,650 --> 00:09:58,490 S1: are in Christ and that we have a new nature 198 00:09:58,490 --> 00:10:00,970 S1: because of him. So why don't we live boldly? That's 199 00:10:00,970 --> 00:10:03,090 S1: why I've chosen call to take a bold stand by 200 00:10:03,090 --> 00:10:05,690 S1: pastor Jack Hibbs as this month's truth tool. Discover how 201 00:10:05,690 --> 00:10:08,050 S1: to stand firmly in your faith and make every moment 202 00:10:08,050 --> 00:10:10,490 S1: count for him. As for your copy of call to 203 00:10:10,530 --> 00:10:12,209 S1: take a bold stand when you give a gift of 204 00:10:12,210 --> 00:10:15,410 S1: any amount to in the market, call 877. Janet 58. 205 00:10:15,450 --> 00:10:18,530 S1: That's 877. Janet 58. Or go to in the market 206 00:10:18,530 --> 00:10:22,410 S1: with Janet dot o r g. Very often on this 207 00:10:22,410 --> 00:10:24,690 S1: broadcast you will hear me say that the time has 208 00:10:24,690 --> 00:10:26,730 S1: come where we need to be men and women of 209 00:10:26,730 --> 00:10:30,290 S1: God who are recognized as courageous Christians, that we need 210 00:10:30,290 --> 00:10:32,250 S1: to get off a diet of milk, move to a 211 00:10:32,250 --> 00:10:34,930 S1: diet of meat, and get some spiritual heft on our 212 00:10:34,929 --> 00:10:37,570 S1: bones to know what we believe and why we believe it, 213 00:10:37,850 --> 00:10:41,850 S1: and articulate always through a grace narrative. The. In the 214 00:10:41,850 --> 00:10:44,570 S1: unchangeable truth that can be found in God's Word. Why? 215 00:10:44,610 --> 00:10:48,050 S1: Because we love people enough to tell them the truth. Now, 216 00:10:48,050 --> 00:10:51,370 S1: in a sin sick world where we're moving away from truth, 217 00:10:51,370 --> 00:10:53,890 S1: where that's your truth. But that's not my truth. Where 218 00:10:53,929 --> 00:10:57,569 S1: George Barnes, research at Arizona Christian University, through the Cultural 219 00:10:57,570 --> 00:11:02,410 S1: Research Center, says the overwhelming number of American Christians don't 220 00:11:02,410 --> 00:11:06,130 S1: believe in the reality of sin. One out of seven 221 00:11:06,130 --> 00:11:08,770 S1: believe that sin is an issue that needs to be 222 00:11:08,770 --> 00:11:12,170 S1: contend with. The rest believe that basically we're good people. 223 00:11:12,410 --> 00:11:14,850 S1: If you think you're good people and that in every 224 00:11:14,850 --> 00:11:16,850 S1: way in every day, you're getting better and better, how 225 00:11:16,890 --> 00:11:19,290 S1: are you going to be bold to stand for the 226 00:11:19,330 --> 00:11:21,850 S1: gospel of Jesus Christ? That's what we're going to talk 227 00:11:21,850 --> 00:11:23,930 S1: about this hour, being very aware of the days and 228 00:11:23,929 --> 00:11:26,770 S1: the times in which we live. And I'm pretty sure 229 00:11:26,770 --> 00:11:29,690 S1: that when Jack Hibbs wrote this book, he didn't have 230 00:11:29,690 --> 00:11:33,130 S1: an idea that a bold Christian would be martyred for 231 00:11:33,130 --> 00:11:35,650 S1: his faith. So his book is even more prescient now 232 00:11:35,650 --> 00:11:38,170 S1: than it was when he was sitting at his computer 233 00:11:38,170 --> 00:11:41,329 S1: writing it months ago. His new book is called called 234 00:11:41,370 --> 00:11:44,410 S1: to Take a Bold Stand Resilient and Effective Faith for 235 00:11:44,450 --> 00:11:46,530 S1: a Godless Age. If you don't know, Jack is the 236 00:11:46,530 --> 00:11:50,250 S1: senior and founding pastor of Calvary Chapel Chino Hills, based 237 00:11:50,250 --> 00:11:53,250 S1: in Southern California. He's the founder and president of real 238 00:11:53,250 --> 00:11:56,730 S1: life ministry and a nationally syndicated TV and radio host. 239 00:11:56,770 --> 00:11:58,650 S1: He's a marvelous writer, by the way, and I've got 240 00:11:58,650 --> 00:12:01,010 S1: a link on my information page to his website so 241 00:12:01,010 --> 00:12:03,010 S1: that you can follow the great work that he does 242 00:12:03,010 --> 00:12:05,930 S1: and watch him on television and radio. But, Jack, first 243 00:12:05,929 --> 00:12:08,370 S1: of all, the warmest of welcomes. I'm so glad you're here. 244 00:12:08,370 --> 00:12:10,690 S1: I know both of us have very, very heavy hearts 245 00:12:10,730 --> 00:12:13,770 S1: going into this conversation. And I just wondered when you 246 00:12:13,770 --> 00:12:15,690 S1: were having your quiet time with the Lord and the 247 00:12:15,690 --> 00:12:18,449 S1: spirit impressed upon you to write this book, which you 248 00:12:18,450 --> 00:12:20,930 S1: begin with a disclaimer, which I'll discuss in a minute. 249 00:12:21,130 --> 00:12:24,090 S1: If you had any idea how timely it would be 250 00:12:24,090 --> 00:12:26,090 S1: following the assassination of Charlie Kirk. 251 00:12:26,530 --> 00:12:29,650 S6: You know. Of course not exactly. I know that sounds 252 00:12:29,650 --> 00:12:33,890 S6: like a strange answer, but remember, I'm in California where 253 00:12:34,530 --> 00:12:39,170 S6: it is, um, crystal clear in this state regarding Christianity. 254 00:12:39,210 --> 00:12:42,250 S6: You are either a Christian now in California or you 255 00:12:42,250 --> 00:12:46,330 S6: are not. The gray area is gone. There is no 256 00:12:46,330 --> 00:12:51,090 S6: such thing here in this state as some sort of, um, 257 00:12:51,690 --> 00:12:56,490 S6: spectatorship Christianity. And so for that, Janet, I'm grateful that 258 00:12:56,490 --> 00:12:59,650 S6: in California, as a believer, the, the lines are clearly 259 00:12:59,650 --> 00:13:01,730 S6: drawn and the war is on and you can sense 260 00:13:01,730 --> 00:13:06,530 S6: the spiritual battle. That said, uh, we have been fighting 261 00:13:06,530 --> 00:13:08,089 S6: in this state for a long time and we're going 262 00:13:08,130 --> 00:13:10,809 S6: to continue to fight. But of course, I had no idea, 263 00:13:11,130 --> 00:13:16,130 S6: no possible idea that it would that the pain and 264 00:13:16,130 --> 00:13:18,810 S6: the shock of it all would come so close to home. 265 00:13:18,809 --> 00:13:23,730 S6: Charlie and I had been friends for nearly six years, close. And, um. 266 00:13:23,730 --> 00:13:26,170 S6: And yet I loved your introduction, and I thank you 267 00:13:26,170 --> 00:13:30,689 S6: for it. Uh, I'm not prescient, but our God is. 268 00:13:30,730 --> 00:13:34,490 S6: And he knew. And so, you know, the first book, Janet, 269 00:13:34,490 --> 00:13:37,640 S6: was God really blessed it. It was called living in 270 00:13:37,640 --> 00:13:42,040 S6: the Days of deception. And I had no idea that 271 00:13:42,080 --> 00:13:45,120 S6: what would happen would be that this book, called to 272 00:13:45,120 --> 00:13:47,360 S6: Take a Bold Stand, would actually turn out to be 273 00:13:47,360 --> 00:13:51,120 S6: viewed as part two of what do we do if 274 00:13:51,120 --> 00:13:53,720 S6: we live in the days of deception? Well, the answer 275 00:13:53,720 --> 00:13:56,440 S6: is to take a bold stand. That's what you do. 276 00:13:56,920 --> 00:14:00,520 S6: And God's truth. Praise the Lord, right? God's truth is 277 00:14:00,520 --> 00:14:04,720 S6: eternally consistent and so we can be confident in. We. 278 00:14:05,000 --> 00:14:07,920 S6: We see that when we show up to the fight, 279 00:14:07,960 --> 00:14:10,040 S6: so to speak, right when we show up to the, 280 00:14:10,240 --> 00:14:14,080 S6: the battle for the, the, the, uh, the public square 281 00:14:14,080 --> 00:14:16,200 S6: for truth. And I loved what you were saying a 282 00:14:16,200 --> 00:14:19,960 S6: moment ago. If we don't show up as believers, we're 283 00:14:20,000 --> 00:14:23,800 S6: the ones we're the custodians of God's truth. Mhm. And 284 00:14:23,800 --> 00:14:27,400 S6: if we do not propagate that and proclaim it and 285 00:14:27,400 --> 00:14:31,640 S6: use his truth, I think it's A.W. Tozer who said 286 00:14:31,640 --> 00:14:33,960 S6: that we must be careful that the truth does not 287 00:14:33,960 --> 00:14:39,280 S6: die in the hands of its friends. And, um, so yeah, 288 00:14:39,320 --> 00:14:43,640 S6: God is blessing the sales of the book, and that's nice, 289 00:14:43,640 --> 00:14:47,359 S6: but it's the truth of the book. It's so biblically based, 290 00:14:47,920 --> 00:14:50,160 S6: people are going to get a lot of Scripture references 291 00:14:50,160 --> 00:14:54,600 S6: out of it. And it's your I know your heart 292 00:14:54,600 --> 00:14:58,520 S6: and you know the battles. And so together we are 293 00:14:58,520 --> 00:15:02,640 S6: trying to get people to please take God at His Word. 294 00:15:02,760 --> 00:15:05,960 S6: Pick it up and use it and do it. And 295 00:15:05,960 --> 00:15:08,760 S6: he's going to catapult you into the culture because I 296 00:15:08,760 --> 00:15:11,760 S6: believe he's really looking for people to take a stand. 297 00:15:11,800 --> 00:15:14,720 S1: Let me go to the disclaimer because you said it's unique. 298 00:15:14,880 --> 00:15:17,480 S1: This really hasn't been something you've done before. The first 299 00:15:17,480 --> 00:15:20,120 S1: was recognizing that you've been serving the Lord in ministry 300 00:15:20,120 --> 00:15:22,840 S1: for half a century, and that you really and truly 301 00:15:22,840 --> 00:15:24,760 S1: are aware of the fact that what we desperately need 302 00:15:24,800 --> 00:15:28,320 S1: now more than ever before, is sound doctrine, holding out 303 00:15:28,320 --> 00:15:31,880 S1: the word of life and not adding to, not subtracting 304 00:15:31,880 --> 00:15:34,200 S1: but knowing it. Know why we believe it and being 305 00:15:34,200 --> 00:15:36,160 S1: able to apply it to the world around us. That's 306 00:15:36,160 --> 00:15:39,200 S1: our first challenge, Jack, because again, harkening back to our 307 00:15:39,200 --> 00:15:42,640 S1: mutual friend George Barna, we're biblically illiterate. These are Christians. 308 00:15:42,640 --> 00:15:45,040 S1: These are people who've made a profession of faith in Christ. 309 00:15:45,040 --> 00:15:47,080 S1: If you don't know what the word says, how can 310 00:15:47,080 --> 00:15:50,880 S1: you be bold about anything? To go to our brother Jeremiah? 311 00:15:51,200 --> 00:15:53,800 S1: His word puts fire in our bones. It's easy to 312 00:15:53,800 --> 00:15:55,840 S1: be bold when you have fire in your bones. If 313 00:15:55,840 --> 00:15:58,240 S1: you don't know what's in the word. You're very you're 314 00:15:58,240 --> 00:15:59,840 S1: lucky if you got a spark anywhere. 315 00:16:00,160 --> 00:16:03,680 S6: MM. So well said. Wow. You know, Jeremiah also said 316 00:16:03,680 --> 00:16:06,040 S6: the harvest is past, the summer is ended, and we're 317 00:16:06,040 --> 00:16:09,480 S6: not saved. Yeah. Wow. And you gotta you gotta ask 318 00:16:09,480 --> 00:16:13,160 S6: yourself this question. And and so a lot of people 319 00:16:13,160 --> 00:16:16,480 S6: say they're Christians, but then you ask them, well, what 320 00:16:16,480 --> 00:16:18,840 S6: is it to what does it mean to be a Christian? 321 00:16:19,040 --> 00:16:22,880 S6: They they stammer, they stumble. And you ask them a 322 00:16:22,880 --> 00:16:27,320 S6: fundamental question. And that is, well, how does God how 323 00:16:27,320 --> 00:16:31,480 S6: does God forgive sins? They don't know the answer to that. 324 00:16:31,520 --> 00:16:35,640 S6: When you ask them, on what basis are you justified 325 00:16:36,320 --> 00:16:39,160 S6: before God? They don't know the answer. So why is 326 00:16:39,160 --> 00:16:42,320 S6: that the case? And Barna, of course, is spot on. 327 00:16:42,600 --> 00:16:47,480 S6: And that is there's there's there's pulpits being manned by 328 00:16:47,680 --> 00:16:56,240 S6: people who are not teaching the congregation these fundamental doctrinal truths. 329 00:16:56,240 --> 00:17:00,560 S6: And first century knew it. 21st century. We don't know it, 330 00:17:00,560 --> 00:17:02,960 S6: but it's not for a lack of information. It's the 331 00:17:02,960 --> 00:17:04,400 S6: lack of being discipled. 332 00:17:04,920 --> 00:17:07,760 S1: 100% right spot on. When we come back, I do 333 00:17:07,760 --> 00:17:10,000 S1: want to allude to the second reason why you put 334 00:17:10,000 --> 00:17:12,239 S1: the disclaimer in, because I think that really sets the 335 00:17:12,240 --> 00:17:15,520 S1: stage also for this excellent book called To Take a 336 00:17:15,520 --> 00:17:19,280 S1: Bold Stand Resilient and Effective Faith for a Godless Nation. 337 00:17:19,280 --> 00:17:21,320 S1: That's where we are right now. And God has called 338 00:17:21,320 --> 00:17:23,840 S1: us in his sovereignty and in his mercy for such 339 00:17:23,840 --> 00:17:26,360 S1: a time as this. Back after this with Jack Hibbs. 340 00:17:32,910 --> 00:17:35,550 S1: I always enjoy spending time with pastor Jack Hibbs. He 341 00:17:35,590 --> 00:17:38,470 S1: is the senior and founding pastor of Calvary Chapel in 342 00:17:38,470 --> 00:17:41,750 S1: Chino Hills, California. That's southern part of California. He's the 343 00:17:41,750 --> 00:17:44,510 S1: founder and president of real life ministry and also a 344 00:17:44,510 --> 00:17:48,990 S1: nationally syndicated TV and radio host. His newest book, So Timely, 345 00:17:48,990 --> 00:17:52,790 S1: is called called to Take a Bold Stand Resilient and 346 00:17:52,790 --> 00:17:55,629 S1: Effective Faith for a Godless Nation. So I'm going to 347 00:17:55,630 --> 00:17:57,230 S1: get into the core of the book, but I want 348 00:17:57,230 --> 00:18:00,870 S1: to go to this disclaimer because I thought your astute observation, culturally, 349 00:18:01,190 --> 00:18:03,990 S1: it serves as a wake up call. I think God's 350 00:18:03,990 --> 00:18:05,990 S1: been trying to get our attention that we are living 351 00:18:05,990 --> 00:18:08,790 S1: in a day and age where really, it's the sheep 352 00:18:08,790 --> 00:18:11,270 S1: from the goats, and it's going to be the men 353 00:18:11,270 --> 00:18:12,950 S1: and women of God, those who are going to be 354 00:18:12,950 --> 00:18:15,470 S1: the remnant who are found faithful, those who step back 355 00:18:15,470 --> 00:18:18,190 S1: and desire more to be loved by the culture than 356 00:18:18,190 --> 00:18:20,469 S1: to serve the God who gave his life for us. 357 00:18:20,750 --> 00:18:23,590 S1: So you had it particularly, and the world was watching 358 00:18:23,590 --> 00:18:26,230 S1: you talk about your uniqueness in California, Jack. And it's 359 00:18:26,230 --> 00:18:29,470 S1: so true. So when the government of California started to 360 00:18:29,510 --> 00:18:33,669 S1: bear down on churches, when it came to restrictions regarding Covid, 361 00:18:33,990 --> 00:18:35,790 S1: that was a wake up call. Talk to me about 362 00:18:35,790 --> 00:18:38,229 S1: this and why that was the second catalyst for you 363 00:18:38,230 --> 00:18:39,190 S1: to write this book. 364 00:18:39,230 --> 00:18:42,870 S6: Yeah, absolutely. It became very clear, like all of us, Jen, 365 00:18:42,910 --> 00:18:46,670 S6: the the news went out from from either the, you know, 366 00:18:46,710 --> 00:18:50,550 S6: World Health Organization or from the CDC, from President Trump himself. 367 00:18:50,590 --> 00:18:53,390 S6: You know, we saw images of people in China that 368 00:18:53,390 --> 00:18:55,310 S6: we were all going to die. I mean, we were 369 00:18:55,310 --> 00:18:59,070 S6: thinking that's, you know, Covid, we're just going to drop dead. 370 00:18:59,750 --> 00:19:03,710 S6: And we had the 15 days of lockdown or whatever 371 00:19:03,710 --> 00:19:07,310 S6: it's called. And then when Trump came after the 15 372 00:19:07,310 --> 00:19:10,830 S6: days and said, we need another 15 days to flatten 373 00:19:10,869 --> 00:19:15,869 S6: the curve, we listened immediately to the experts begin to 374 00:19:15,910 --> 00:19:17,990 S6: debate that. And I got to tell you, the moment 375 00:19:17,990 --> 00:19:22,550 S6: I saw the experts disagreeing, I knew some. I just 376 00:19:22,550 --> 00:19:25,510 S6: knew that something was up. I just sensed that. And 377 00:19:25,510 --> 00:19:28,910 S6: in my. The very next day, my private time with 378 00:19:28,910 --> 00:19:32,189 S6: the Lord. It was so wonderful because I was reading 379 00:19:32,190 --> 00:19:36,030 S6: in Chronicles of all places, and I just sensed Janet 380 00:19:36,030 --> 00:19:39,750 S6: in my heart. I sensed the Lord saying to me, um, 381 00:19:39,990 --> 00:19:43,030 S6: go to the church at Philadelphia, go to the church 382 00:19:43,030 --> 00:19:45,669 S6: at Philadelphia, and I turn to the book of revelation. 383 00:19:46,470 --> 00:19:48,390 S6: And you read there and he says, behold, I set 384 00:19:48,390 --> 00:19:50,949 S6: before you an open door that no man can shut. 385 00:19:51,070 --> 00:19:51,550 S1: Mhm. 386 00:19:52,109 --> 00:19:55,030 S6: And it hit me like I got hit in the head. 387 00:19:56,030 --> 00:19:59,109 S6: And I knew immediately what was what was to be done. 388 00:19:59,109 --> 00:20:01,390 S6: And I sensed in my heart that the Lord had 389 00:20:01,390 --> 00:20:04,470 S6: spoken to me. Jack, you do not have the authority, 390 00:20:04,510 --> 00:20:08,030 S6: nor no man has the authority to shut the doors 391 00:20:08,030 --> 00:20:13,190 S6: of my church. And we opened up the doors. We 392 00:20:13,190 --> 00:20:16,670 S6: took all the flak, as you can imagine. Gavin Newsom 393 00:20:16,670 --> 00:20:21,109 S6: wrote letters. We were threatened to be arrested. I actually 394 00:20:21,109 --> 00:20:25,230 S6: literally schooled our our pastors that if I got arrested 395 00:20:25,230 --> 00:20:28,389 S6: at first service, then my next pastor takes second service, 396 00:20:28,710 --> 00:20:31,150 S6: if he gets arrested and so on, we'll just keep 397 00:20:31,150 --> 00:20:33,590 S6: going until we're. But we were not going to shut 398 00:20:33,590 --> 00:20:37,270 S6: the doors. And it turned out that our county that 399 00:20:37,270 --> 00:20:39,909 S6: we are in said, thank you for having the doors 400 00:20:39,910 --> 00:20:44,190 S6: of the church open, uh, from here on out, any 401 00:20:44,230 --> 00:20:47,910 S6: any inquiry by the state of California, uh, this county 402 00:20:47,910 --> 00:20:51,030 S6: will stand with you and in front of you. It 403 00:20:51,030 --> 00:20:55,550 S6: is amazing. And so, uh, they did that. Gavin Newsom 404 00:20:55,550 --> 00:21:00,510 S6: never stopped threatening us. But what happened was we wound 405 00:21:00,510 --> 00:21:02,870 S6: up seeing so many people come to Christ. We were 406 00:21:02,869 --> 00:21:07,590 S6: seeing 15,000 adults come to church on a Sunday, and 407 00:21:07,710 --> 00:21:12,390 S6: on three Saturdays we baptized a thousand people per Saturday 408 00:21:12,390 --> 00:21:18,550 S6: for three Saturdays in a row because they they were fearful. 409 00:21:19,350 --> 00:21:22,100 S6: They ran to the church just as they should. They 410 00:21:22,100 --> 00:21:25,540 S6: heard the truth, and they were filled with confidence and 411 00:21:25,540 --> 00:21:28,340 S6: boldness that that God will take care of us. And, 412 00:21:28,500 --> 00:21:31,540 S6: and and here was my big argument. I was not saying, 413 00:21:31,540 --> 00:21:34,580 S6: if you if you come to Jesus, you won't get sick. 414 00:21:34,900 --> 00:21:37,820 S6: I didn't I didn't say that. I wouldn't say that, 415 00:21:38,060 --> 00:21:41,220 S6: but I did say this. You you may get sick 416 00:21:41,220 --> 00:21:43,740 S6: with Covid or you might get hit by a truck. 417 00:21:44,540 --> 00:21:46,980 S6: You could put on your mask or get the vaccine, 418 00:21:46,980 --> 00:21:49,460 S6: but you could you could have a heart attack. You 419 00:21:49,460 --> 00:21:51,859 S6: could fall out of an airplane, for crying out loud. 420 00:21:51,940 --> 00:21:54,379 S6: Your roof could cave in. The point is this. Forget 421 00:21:54,380 --> 00:21:58,700 S6: about Covid. Are you ready to meet Jesus Christ now? 422 00:21:58,820 --> 00:22:02,900 S6: Because your heart could stop today. And and God used 423 00:22:02,900 --> 00:22:07,340 S6: that simple, uh, urgency where Paul the apostle said, today 424 00:22:07,340 --> 00:22:10,420 S6: is the day of salvation. Now is the acceptable time. 425 00:22:10,859 --> 00:22:14,820 S6: So when we preach the clear gospel, people repented of 426 00:22:14,859 --> 00:22:19,060 S6: their sins, they came to Christ, and the Holy Spirit 427 00:22:19,060 --> 00:22:22,780 S6: was given the opportunity to comfort his people. That's what 428 00:22:22,780 --> 00:22:23,620 S6: he does. 429 00:22:23,820 --> 00:22:24,379 S1: Mhm. 430 00:22:24,660 --> 00:22:29,220 S6: And so we just saw this epic turnaround, and it 431 00:22:29,260 --> 00:22:31,220 S6: wound up we don't have the time to tell you 432 00:22:31,220 --> 00:22:36,980 S6: of the benefits that hundreds and hundreds of unplanned home 433 00:22:37,020 --> 00:22:41,500 S6: fellowships broke out across the nation and in South America, 434 00:22:41,540 --> 00:22:45,419 S6: down to Australia. People joined us online, and they wound 435 00:22:45,420 --> 00:22:50,540 S6: up hosting home groups that are now incredible ministries in 436 00:22:50,540 --> 00:22:55,659 S6: these communities, all out of Covid. So I say that, Janice, Janet, 437 00:22:55,700 --> 00:22:59,260 S6: to say this, that if we take a stand, just 438 00:22:59,260 --> 00:23:03,020 S6: like fear can be contagious, we know. 439 00:23:03,340 --> 00:23:03,659 S1: That. 440 00:23:03,820 --> 00:23:08,740 S6: Courage can be contagious. When somebody sees someone else standing 441 00:23:08,740 --> 00:23:14,100 S6: against the tide and, and that God's got our back, 442 00:23:15,260 --> 00:23:19,700 S6: that that spreads and and that's exactly what happened. And 443 00:23:19,700 --> 00:23:23,219 S6: so here we are. Remarkable. It's amazing here you and 444 00:23:23,220 --> 00:23:26,460 S6: I are talking today. And in the very same governor 445 00:23:27,020 --> 00:23:30,260 S6: that was literally calling me out by name against me. 446 00:23:31,619 --> 00:23:33,580 S6: You and I are on the phone today, and I'm 447 00:23:33,580 --> 00:23:36,340 S6: expecting the governor to call me back today, the very 448 00:23:36,340 --> 00:23:42,060 S6: same governor, because Gavin Newsom, his son, is, is not 449 00:23:42,060 --> 00:23:46,460 S6: dealing well with the assassination of Charlie Kirk. Gavin Newsom's 450 00:23:46,460 --> 00:23:52,780 S6: son loved Charlie, and his home has been very, very mournful. 451 00:23:53,220 --> 00:23:56,220 S6: And I'm to get together with the governor by phone 452 00:23:56,220 --> 00:24:00,420 S6: and to pray with him and to pray with his son. Wow. 453 00:24:00,460 --> 00:24:01,380 S6: God is good. 454 00:24:01,820 --> 00:24:04,940 S1: Yes. And thank you for being so open and transparent 455 00:24:04,940 --> 00:24:07,740 S1: about that, because you're talking to people all across the country, 456 00:24:07,740 --> 00:24:10,899 S1: the majority of whom I believe, believe in the power 457 00:24:10,900 --> 00:24:13,380 S1: of prayer. So pray that the Lord would anoint that 458 00:24:13,380 --> 00:24:17,090 S1: conversation that God would use Jack Hibbs in a powerful 459 00:24:17,090 --> 00:24:19,970 S1: way to bring comfort, and that that might be an 460 00:24:19,970 --> 00:24:23,930 S1: open door possibility. That, again, it wasn't Charlie's politics. It 461 00:24:23,930 --> 00:24:27,610 S1: was his savior that everyone found so attractive. And may 462 00:24:27,609 --> 00:24:30,010 S1: the Lord open that door so that the governor of 463 00:24:30,010 --> 00:24:33,290 S1: California might hear that good news. And old things would 464 00:24:33,290 --> 00:24:36,290 S1: pass away and all things would become new. Back with 465 00:24:36,290 --> 00:24:43,290 S1: Jack Hibbs right after this. Are you living with a 466 00:24:43,290 --> 00:24:46,250 S1: biblically based, passionate faith, or are you pulling back from 467 00:24:46,250 --> 00:24:48,770 S1: letting your light shine? That's why I've chosen Cole to 468 00:24:48,810 --> 00:24:51,169 S1: take a bold stand as this month's truth tool learn 469 00:24:51,170 --> 00:24:54,330 S1: how to influence the culture for Christ in a transformative way. 470 00:24:54,369 --> 00:24:56,330 S1: As for your copy of call to take a bold 471 00:24:56,330 --> 00:24:58,010 S1: stand when you give a gift of any amount to 472 00:24:58,050 --> 00:25:02,850 S1: in the market, call 877. Janet 58. That's 877. Janet 58. 473 00:25:02,890 --> 00:25:07,850 S1: Or go to in the market with Janet Dot. But 474 00:25:07,850 --> 00:25:10,369 S1: a timely book pastor Jack Hibbs has written, it's called 475 00:25:10,369 --> 00:25:14,370 S1: call to Take a Bold Stand resilient and effective faith 476 00:25:14,369 --> 00:25:17,090 S1: for a godless age. If you're just joining us, you 477 00:25:17,130 --> 00:25:18,850 S1: are going to want to have heard the first half 478 00:25:18,850 --> 00:25:21,290 S1: of this conversation, and you can do that real easily. 479 00:25:21,290 --> 00:25:23,890 S1: Just go to wherever you find your favorite podcast and 480 00:25:23,890 --> 00:25:27,410 S1: download in the market with Janet Parshall, put in today's date, 481 00:25:27,410 --> 00:25:29,770 S1: and pastor Jack Hibbs is our guest, who is the 482 00:25:29,770 --> 00:25:33,010 S1: senior and founding pastor of Calvary Chapel Chino Hills, based 483 00:25:33,010 --> 00:25:36,650 S1: in Southern California, the founder and president of real life ministry, 484 00:25:36,650 --> 00:25:39,409 S1: and a nationally syndicated TV and radio host and a 485 00:25:39,410 --> 00:25:43,369 S1: marvelous writer, as I noted earlier. So in this wonderful book, 486 00:25:43,410 --> 00:25:46,010 S1: you teach us that we have everything that we need 487 00:25:46,010 --> 00:25:48,650 S1: to be able to be bold. And so it's interesting, Jack, 488 00:25:48,650 --> 00:25:51,490 S1: because if you if you go through Scripture, we're told 489 00:25:51,490 --> 00:25:55,570 S1: definitively to stand. Ephesians 613 says, we put on all 490 00:25:55,570 --> 00:25:58,770 S1: the accoutrements of war, recognizing our battlefront as the world, 491 00:25:58,770 --> 00:26:01,250 S1: the flesh, and the devil. And we put on this 492 00:26:01,250 --> 00:26:03,889 S1: armor so that we can withstand in the evil day 493 00:26:03,890 --> 00:26:07,850 S1: and having done all to stand. So the directive is 494 00:26:07,850 --> 00:26:09,689 S1: there to be able to do just this. One of 495 00:26:09,690 --> 00:26:11,250 S1: the things you tell us that we have to do 496 00:26:11,369 --> 00:26:14,929 S1: is to be confident. I find this important, but I 497 00:26:14,930 --> 00:26:18,210 S1: also can see how it could be quickly misunderstood. What 498 00:26:18,210 --> 00:26:21,689 S1: is the difference from your vantage point of being confident 499 00:26:21,930 --> 00:26:25,570 S1: and being arrogant? In other words, where does our confidence 500 00:26:25,570 --> 00:26:27,889 S1: come from and how do we make sure it doesn't 501 00:26:27,890 --> 00:26:29,210 S1: devolve into pride? 502 00:26:30,050 --> 00:26:35,090 S6: Excellent question. So confidence comes from the belief or the 503 00:26:35,090 --> 00:26:38,810 S6: understanding that what you are either involved in or what 504 00:26:38,810 --> 00:26:43,010 S6: you are participating in, or perhaps what you're, um, maybe 505 00:26:43,010 --> 00:26:46,050 S6: even traveling in like an airplane, for example, through the sky. 506 00:26:46,490 --> 00:26:49,730 S6: You may be very confident about the laws of aerodynamics, 507 00:26:49,730 --> 00:26:52,170 S6: or you might be very confident about the rules of 508 00:26:52,170 --> 00:26:54,850 S6: the group that you're in or the team that you're on. 509 00:26:55,210 --> 00:26:58,090 S6: If we can have these things in a, in a very, uh, 510 00:26:58,090 --> 00:27:02,810 S6: earthly manner, observed and, and known, then when the Word 511 00:27:02,810 --> 00:27:06,090 S6: of God tells us that we are to be confident, uh, 512 00:27:06,090 --> 00:27:09,890 S6: in this fact, be it your salvation. God did not 513 00:27:09,890 --> 00:27:13,570 S6: intend you and I to be insecure about our salvation. 514 00:27:13,810 --> 00:27:16,290 S6: He didn't intend for you and I to be insecure 515 00:27:16,330 --> 00:27:20,689 S6: about the power of God. Uh, joy. Peace. On and on. 516 00:27:21,010 --> 00:27:25,730 S6: The Lord speaks to us this way. Arrogance is something 517 00:27:25,730 --> 00:27:29,170 S6: where it's all based upon your self performance. I'm going 518 00:27:29,210 --> 00:27:31,889 S6: to do this. I'm going to do the other. I can, 519 00:27:31,890 --> 00:27:35,290 S6: I can, uh, work hard enough to pull that off. 520 00:27:35,290 --> 00:27:38,410 S6: And it just does nothing but feed the flesh. When 521 00:27:38,410 --> 00:27:43,050 S6: we're confident in the Lord, it causes us, as John 522 00:27:43,090 --> 00:27:47,129 S6: the Baptist put it, we decrease. He increases. The more 523 00:27:47,170 --> 00:27:51,169 S6: that he increases, the greater confidence we have, because we 524 00:27:51,210 --> 00:27:54,370 S6: don't flex our own spiritual muscles, so to speak, and 525 00:27:54,369 --> 00:27:57,889 S6: measure them, you know, by looking in the mirror. No, 526 00:27:58,170 --> 00:28:01,810 S6: our muscles are found in Christ. Our strength is found 527 00:28:01,810 --> 00:28:05,130 S6: in Christ. And I think one of the missing components, 528 00:28:05,130 --> 00:28:06,889 S6: I hate to put it that way because it's a person. 529 00:28:06,890 --> 00:28:10,440 S6: I'm not talking about a thing. The missing component is 530 00:28:10,440 --> 00:28:14,719 S6: the person, in my opinion, Janet. The. Of the Holy Spirit. 531 00:28:15,280 --> 00:28:19,160 S6: And and this is this is my opinion. I think 532 00:28:19,160 --> 00:28:24,200 S6: the reason why America sees such a powerless church in 533 00:28:24,200 --> 00:28:27,119 S6: this day and age is because we don't see a 534 00:28:27,119 --> 00:28:32,159 S6: church dependent upon God. We are confident in our ability 535 00:28:32,160 --> 00:28:36,600 S6: to put on a good Sunday show, to maybe do 536 00:28:36,600 --> 00:28:39,600 S6: something or say something that's going to draw the masses. 537 00:28:39,600 --> 00:28:42,560 S6: And I'm just. I've been grateful to grow up under 538 00:28:42,560 --> 00:28:46,160 S6: a pastor at Chuck Smith, who never taught us to 539 00:28:46,200 --> 00:28:50,440 S6: to teach the Bible, to draw a crowd. He believed 540 00:28:50,480 --> 00:28:54,840 S6: on John chapter 15, tell the truth from the Word 541 00:28:54,840 --> 00:28:59,080 S6: of God. And Jesus, his sheep will hear his word 542 00:28:59,560 --> 00:29:03,520 S6: and follow. Um, follow him. Jesus, his sheep know his 543 00:29:03,520 --> 00:29:07,200 S6: voice and the voice of Jesus is the Bible. It's not. 544 00:29:07,240 --> 00:29:09,960 S6: It's not what we do. It's not the smoke screens 545 00:29:09,960 --> 00:29:13,280 S6: or it's not the, you know, the know it's him. 546 00:29:13,280 --> 00:29:16,480 S6: And so I think the bottom line is that the 547 00:29:16,480 --> 00:29:22,040 S6: Holy Spirit is looking for a church or a Christian 548 00:29:22,040 --> 00:29:24,200 S6: where the Word of God is read, or the Word 549 00:29:24,200 --> 00:29:27,920 S6: of God is taught, and either you or the church, 550 00:29:27,960 --> 00:29:30,800 S6: you are delighted now that you have salvation, to move 551 00:29:30,800 --> 00:29:34,480 S6: on to greater things. Your salvation is secure now in Christ. 552 00:29:34,520 --> 00:29:39,280 S6: Now move on to discipleship. In Matthew chapter 28 verse 19, 553 00:29:39,280 --> 00:29:42,520 S6: he tells us to go into all the world. In fact, listen, 554 00:29:42,520 --> 00:29:45,640 S6: I'll be a little sarcastic this way. He didn't tell 555 00:29:45,640 --> 00:29:48,640 S6: us to go into all the world and evangelize the world. 556 00:29:48,840 --> 00:29:52,320 S6: We often think he said that. He didn't say that. 557 00:29:52,320 --> 00:29:54,920 S6: He said, go into all the world and preach the gospel. 558 00:29:54,920 --> 00:30:01,440 S6: That's that is an evangelistic component and make disciples of 559 00:30:01,440 --> 00:30:04,800 S6: all nations. So what we need to do is be 560 00:30:04,800 --> 00:30:09,520 S6: confident in the Word of God. It's actually empowered by 561 00:30:09,520 --> 00:30:12,400 S6: the Holy Spirit because the Word of God is pure truth. 562 00:30:13,160 --> 00:30:16,640 S6: And when we stand on what his promises have told us, 563 00:30:16,880 --> 00:30:20,200 S6: when we stand upon what he has proclaimed that he 564 00:30:20,200 --> 00:30:23,000 S6: will do to a life that's yielded to him, or 565 00:30:23,040 --> 00:30:26,080 S6: a church that's yielded to him, there's no limit as 566 00:30:26,080 --> 00:30:29,360 S6: to what God would do. And I, I'm pretty sure 567 00:30:29,720 --> 00:30:33,480 S6: that when you see that in action, you and I, 568 00:30:34,360 --> 00:30:39,120 S6: we're either going to have personal revivals going on or 569 00:30:39,640 --> 00:30:42,320 S6: we're going to see it in our church. And if 570 00:30:42,320 --> 00:30:47,480 S6: the church is revived, then what follows a revival is 571 00:30:47,480 --> 00:30:51,000 S6: that the church becomes holy and pure and beautiful, so 572 00:30:51,000 --> 00:30:55,640 S6: that a lost world experiences the awakening. The awakening is 573 00:30:55,640 --> 00:30:59,800 S6: for the lost. Revival is for the church. But revival 574 00:30:59,800 --> 00:31:03,960 S6: always precedes an awakening. God is so good in his economy. 575 00:31:04,000 --> 00:31:06,400 S6: He gets a church healthy. He gets the body of 576 00:31:06,400 --> 00:31:12,440 S6: Christ ready, and then he announces that attractiveness through the 577 00:31:12,440 --> 00:31:16,560 S6: church were the lost. Say, that's. That's what I want. 578 00:31:16,760 --> 00:31:18,480 S6: What must I do to be saved? 579 00:31:18,680 --> 00:31:19,160 S1: Yes. 580 00:31:19,320 --> 00:31:21,880 S6: When that happens, that's when we know that the church 581 00:31:21,920 --> 00:31:25,040 S6: has been revived. And I live for that. I long 582 00:31:25,040 --> 00:31:28,120 S6: for that. I pray with these recent events that we're 583 00:31:28,120 --> 00:31:32,080 S6: seeing because of Charlie Kirk, that let's see. Let's pray 584 00:31:32,440 --> 00:31:36,440 S6: that this last if it's of God, it's going to last. 585 00:31:38,760 --> 00:31:41,000 S1: I couldn't agree with you more. Let me ask a question. 586 00:31:41,000 --> 00:31:42,800 S1: I loved what you said. I wrote it down about 587 00:31:42,800 --> 00:31:46,840 S1: revival preceding and awakening before. There's a revival though, doesn't 588 00:31:46,840 --> 00:31:49,200 S1: there have to be repentance? And where's the church at 589 00:31:49,240 --> 00:31:52,440 S1: that point? And we can talk collectively church capital C, 590 00:31:52,600 --> 00:31:55,240 S1: or we can talk about our own personal lives. How 591 00:31:55,240 --> 00:31:57,880 S1: do we make sure that we have a short record 592 00:31:57,880 --> 00:32:00,120 S1: before the Lord? And we really I mean, I bet 593 00:32:00,190 --> 00:32:02,190 S1: there are people listening right now who go, I don't 594 00:32:02,190 --> 00:32:03,830 S1: want any sin in my life, but I'm not sure 595 00:32:03,830 --> 00:32:06,230 S1: I can even identify sin in my life. Where does 596 00:32:06,230 --> 00:32:08,470 S1: one begin the journey of repentance? 597 00:32:09,670 --> 00:32:15,270 S6: The the word. The word revival. Uh, there's, there's a 598 00:32:15,270 --> 00:32:17,790 S6: word that precedes it. And that's the word Viv. If 599 00:32:17,790 --> 00:32:22,470 S6: you think about it, Viv, is life a vitality vivacious? 600 00:32:23,030 --> 00:32:26,470 S6: That's life. To revive is to come back to life again, 601 00:32:26,470 --> 00:32:30,590 S6: to have life again. And every believer knows that from 602 00:32:30,590 --> 00:32:33,150 S6: the moment they've accepted Christ to a day to day 603 00:32:33,190 --> 00:32:36,709 S6: walk with Christ until the Lord comes for us, is 604 00:32:36,710 --> 00:32:39,830 S6: a life of understanding that I need to repent of 605 00:32:39,830 --> 00:32:44,030 S6: my sins. There is no such thing as revival without repentance, 606 00:32:44,030 --> 00:32:47,550 S6: just like there's no such thing as salvation unless the 607 00:32:47,550 --> 00:32:50,709 S6: gospel is proclaimed. And a lot of churches today don't 608 00:32:50,710 --> 00:32:54,910 S6: know the gospel. The gospel is repent and believe on 609 00:32:54,910 --> 00:32:58,910 S6: the Lord Jesus Christ, and you shall be saved. Repentance 610 00:32:58,910 --> 00:33:04,710 S6: must precede not only salvation, but after a believer is saved. 611 00:33:04,950 --> 00:33:09,030 S6: Repentance of our sin. First John one nine keeps us 612 00:33:09,030 --> 00:33:12,190 S6: in fellowship with God. And I think it's the book 613 00:33:12,190 --> 00:33:16,030 S6: written many decades ago by Norman Grubb. That is the 614 00:33:16,030 --> 00:33:20,710 S6: book titled Continuous Revival. How can you and I enjoy 615 00:33:20,710 --> 00:33:24,790 S6: a continuous revival with the Lord Jesus? Walk with him 616 00:33:24,790 --> 00:33:28,790 S6: in the word. You'll be repentant of sin because you'll 617 00:33:28,790 --> 00:33:32,950 S6: love him. In fact, listen, I speak to a lot 618 00:33:32,950 --> 00:33:38,830 S6: of men. And today, men's battle is pornography. And I 619 00:33:38,830 --> 00:33:42,230 S6: tell them because they lament to me, oh, you know, 620 00:33:42,270 --> 00:33:45,030 S6: I love God, but. And I tell them, you don't 621 00:33:45,030 --> 00:33:47,750 S6: love God. Please don't say that again. And they get shocked. 622 00:33:47,750 --> 00:33:51,390 S6: You know, they're shocked. And I tell them, don't say 623 00:33:51,390 --> 00:33:55,590 S6: that you love God. You're a Christian, but you're a pornographer. Don't, don't, 624 00:33:55,590 --> 00:33:58,750 S6: don't say that again. You love the pornography and got 625 00:33:58,750 --> 00:34:01,430 S6: us somewhere on the list. Uh, maybe at five or 626 00:34:01,430 --> 00:34:07,270 S6: maybe seven, if you love him. That transcends any rules 627 00:34:07,270 --> 00:34:09,910 S6: or regulations. You can put up the Ten Commandments, which 628 00:34:09,910 --> 00:34:13,350 S6: are holy and pure. But what's going to drive me 629 00:34:13,350 --> 00:34:15,870 S6: to walk before the Lord in revival is the fear 630 00:34:15,870 --> 00:34:18,629 S6: of the Lord, which is the beginning of that wisdom. 631 00:34:19,150 --> 00:34:22,029 S6: And if a. If a man. Just think, if the 632 00:34:22,030 --> 00:34:25,950 S6: men of America today in the Christian church decided to 633 00:34:25,950 --> 00:34:29,470 S6: be men to draw close to God, that they would. 634 00:34:29,469 --> 00:34:32,109 S6: They would repent. They would. They would throw their computers away. 635 00:34:32,110 --> 00:34:33,710 S6: If that's what it's going to take. They would throw 636 00:34:33,710 --> 00:34:35,270 S6: their phones away if that's what it's going to take, 637 00:34:35,270 --> 00:34:38,350 S6: because they're going to decide to love God more than 638 00:34:38,350 --> 00:34:42,950 S6: their fleshly appetites. When that happens now we become men 639 00:34:43,350 --> 00:34:46,750 S6: that God can use. And I have never been able, 640 00:34:46,750 --> 00:34:49,750 S6: in my own private life, to see a separation between 641 00:34:49,750 --> 00:34:53,790 S6: men that God uses or women that God uses, and 642 00:34:53,989 --> 00:34:57,509 S6: the state of revival. I mean, I just I've never 643 00:34:57,510 --> 00:35:00,790 S6: been able to separate it. You'll see somebody who's revived 644 00:35:00,790 --> 00:35:05,589 S6: God is using them. It's a beautiful, beautiful cycle. And 645 00:35:05,590 --> 00:35:09,190 S6: so what we want to do is get so blessed 646 00:35:09,190 --> 00:35:11,669 S6: and happy and glad to be walking with Jesus every 647 00:35:11,710 --> 00:35:14,549 S6: day that we sense his presence. We know him that 648 00:35:14,550 --> 00:35:16,630 S6: we don't want to do anything that's going to sever 649 00:35:16,630 --> 00:35:20,230 S6: that in the moment. We do because we're imperfect. The 650 00:35:20,230 --> 00:35:22,630 S6: moment we do, we don't need someone to point it 651 00:35:22,630 --> 00:35:26,629 S6: out because we've heard the Lord say, Jack, that was 652 00:35:26,630 --> 00:35:30,589 S6: not the right attitude on the freeway that you had today, driving, 653 00:35:30,830 --> 00:35:32,510 S6: you know, from Pasadena to. 654 00:35:32,550 --> 00:35:37,109 S7: Talk to Jan on the phone. I'm confessing everybody. I 655 00:35:37,110 --> 00:35:37,750 S7: was doing everything. 656 00:35:37,790 --> 00:35:38,190 S6: To keep our. 657 00:35:38,190 --> 00:35:43,750 S7: Appointment. And, uh, there you go, everybody, I got busted. 658 00:35:43,910 --> 00:35:47,109 S1: Full transparency for your condition, you say in the book, 659 00:35:47,150 --> 00:35:48,630 S1: and I'm going to ask the question because you can 660 00:35:48,630 --> 00:35:51,230 S1: hear the music coming up. You say our mission is 661 00:35:51,230 --> 00:35:55,779 S1: urgent because our lives pronounce judgment. Now I this is 662 00:35:55,780 --> 00:35:58,140 S1: the part I think that's really the spinal column of 663 00:35:58,140 --> 00:36:01,780 S1: what you write about, because there's this, there's this tendency, 664 00:36:01,780 --> 00:36:03,819 S1: there's this propensity for every one of us to be 665 00:36:03,820 --> 00:36:06,340 S1: loved by the culture. You know, we're the good guys. 666 00:36:06,340 --> 00:36:08,700 S1: They'll know us because we're lovers, right? Isn't that what 667 00:36:08,700 --> 00:36:11,820 S1: we sing at church? And yet, if our very appearance, 668 00:36:11,820 --> 00:36:17,020 S1: if our ambassador for Christ position bespeaks judgment, you're not 669 00:36:17,020 --> 00:36:18,779 S1: going to be loved by everybody. So how do we 670 00:36:18,820 --> 00:36:21,340 S1: handle the. You're not going to be loved by everybody part. 671 00:36:21,580 --> 00:36:23,899 S1: Pastor Jack Hibbs is with us in a book, by 672 00:36:23,900 --> 00:36:26,060 S1: the way, that in my classroom, you always hear me 673 00:36:26,100 --> 00:36:28,060 S1: say this. This would be required reading. It should be 674 00:36:28,060 --> 00:36:31,700 S1: in your library. Bold to stand, called to take a 675 00:36:31,700 --> 00:36:35,100 S1: bold stance. Resilient and effective. Faith for godless age. Excellent 676 00:36:35,100 --> 00:36:37,660 S1: book on my website for more info back after this. 677 00:36:41,660 --> 00:36:45,180 S1: We are visiting with national best selling author pastor Jack Hibbs, 678 00:36:45,180 --> 00:36:47,100 S1: who's got a brand new book out called Call to 679 00:36:47,140 --> 00:36:50,900 S1: Take a Bold Stand Resilient and Effective Faith for a 680 00:36:51,020 --> 00:36:54,379 S1: godless age. And that's certainly where we find ourselves right now. So, Jack, 681 00:36:54,380 --> 00:36:56,340 S1: let me go back to this sentence. And by the way, friends, 682 00:36:56,340 --> 00:36:58,219 S1: you always hear me say this. There is so much 683 00:36:58,219 --> 00:37:01,140 S1: in this book that even with the gift of Jack's time, 684 00:37:01,380 --> 00:37:04,020 S1: I can't possibly cover. So my job is to simply 685 00:37:04,020 --> 00:37:06,580 S1: plant a few seeds, get you to start thinking and say, ooh, 686 00:37:06,940 --> 00:37:08,380 S1: I got to hear the rest of that. Well, you 687 00:37:08,380 --> 00:37:10,620 S1: can hear it by reading the book called To Take 688 00:37:10,620 --> 00:37:12,100 S1: a Bold Stance. So I've got it linked on my 689 00:37:12,100 --> 00:37:14,739 S1: information page. Click on through so you can read it. 690 00:37:14,739 --> 00:37:17,460 S1: This program is designed to do exactly what Jack is 691 00:37:17,460 --> 00:37:21,020 S1: talking about, getting us out there into the marketplace of ideas, 692 00:37:21,060 --> 00:37:24,020 S1: letting our light so shine before men that we are 693 00:37:24,020 --> 00:37:26,460 S1: really honoring and glorifying Christ in all that we do. 694 00:37:26,500 --> 00:37:29,859 S1: Unashamed of the Gospel of Jesus Christ and engaging with 695 00:37:29,860 --> 00:37:32,700 S1: the culture that's telling us in no uncertain terms, they 696 00:37:32,700 --> 00:37:34,580 S1: want to know who God is. They have in their 697 00:37:34,580 --> 00:37:37,700 S1: hearts a God shaped void, and only a personal relationship 698 00:37:37,700 --> 00:37:40,140 S1: with him can fill it. So what are we waiting for? 699 00:37:40,180 --> 00:37:41,700 S1: That happens to be the title, by the way, one 700 00:37:41,700 --> 00:37:43,540 S1: of the chapters of Jack's book. But I want to 701 00:37:43,540 --> 00:37:45,980 S1: go back to a statement you made. Because our mission 702 00:37:45,980 --> 00:37:48,660 S1: is urgent. Our mission is urgent, you say, because our 703 00:37:48,660 --> 00:37:51,700 S1: lives pronounce judgment. Now, this is the touchy feely part 704 00:37:51,700 --> 00:37:54,979 S1: where you've got some lukewarm churches out there that are 705 00:37:54,980 --> 00:37:58,540 S1: looking at plan B, and they're giving just a love doctrine, 706 00:37:58,540 --> 00:38:00,620 S1: and we're going to be seeker friendly, and we'll do 707 00:38:00,660 --> 00:38:03,620 S1: Little Mermaid versions of the gospel just to bring everybody in. 708 00:38:03,860 --> 00:38:06,140 S1: And in the meantime, holding out the word of life 709 00:38:06,140 --> 00:38:08,140 S1: is not something they want to do. Because sometimes if 710 00:38:08,180 --> 00:38:10,660 S1: you preach line upon line, precept upon precept, you're going 711 00:38:10,700 --> 00:38:14,020 S1: to end up, oops, stepping on somebody's politics. Or in reality, 712 00:38:14,060 --> 00:38:17,339 S1: somebody's politics really steps on a biblical truth. But I digress. 713 00:38:17,540 --> 00:38:19,859 S1: The point is, how do we handle this idea that 714 00:38:19,860 --> 00:38:22,500 S1: our very presence pronounces judgment? 715 00:38:23,300 --> 00:38:27,460 S6: Yes. Thank you. Are we willing, as believers, we profess 716 00:38:27,460 --> 00:38:31,020 S6: his name. We say that we are Christ's followers. That 717 00:38:31,020 --> 00:38:35,620 S6: is the title of being a Christian. When we say 718 00:38:35,620 --> 00:38:37,660 S6: that we have to be willing to take the full 719 00:38:37,660 --> 00:38:41,219 S6: counsel of God. And so Jesus said in Luke chapter six, 720 00:38:41,260 --> 00:38:45,220 S6: verse 26, as an example, beware when all men speak 721 00:38:45,219 --> 00:38:49,859 S6: well of you. For so they spoke of the prophets, 722 00:38:49,860 --> 00:38:53,820 S6: the false prophets who were before you. That's terrifying. But 723 00:38:53,820 --> 00:38:56,540 S6: you actually mentioned a verse in your in your opening 724 00:38:56,540 --> 00:38:59,459 S6: of this particular segment. Let your let your light so 725 00:38:59,460 --> 00:39:04,020 S6: shine before men that when they interesting, when they see 726 00:39:04,020 --> 00:39:06,740 S6: your good works and glorify your father which is in heaven. 727 00:39:06,900 --> 00:39:11,220 S6: We often don't take that into consideration. The generic term 728 00:39:11,219 --> 00:39:16,940 S6: men implies mankind. Let your light, Janet or Jack, so 729 00:39:16,940 --> 00:39:21,660 S6: shine before mankind that they. Mankind, when they see your 730 00:39:21,660 --> 00:39:23,980 S6: good works and glorify your father in heaven. It's not 731 00:39:23,980 --> 00:39:27,660 S6: a reference to people applauding you and I for taking 732 00:39:27,660 --> 00:39:31,100 S6: a biblical worldview stand now. It's actually a verse in 733 00:39:31,100 --> 00:39:32,779 S6: the sermon on the Mount that refers to the Day 734 00:39:32,780 --> 00:39:35,700 S6: of Judgment that those who never believed or rejected what 735 00:39:35,700 --> 00:39:41,100 S6: we proclaimed as truth from Scripture, um, they will, they 736 00:39:41,100 --> 00:39:44,660 S6: will give God honor for the obedience that came out 737 00:39:44,660 --> 00:39:47,810 S6: of our lives. When we shine our light, it will 738 00:39:47,850 --> 00:39:50,049 S6: be an indictment against them in the end. But they 739 00:39:50,050 --> 00:39:54,009 S6: will have to confess that we were correct. So when 740 00:39:54,010 --> 00:39:58,610 S6: we live our lives as Christians, think about this. We 741 00:39:58,650 --> 00:40:02,410 S6: are a a beautiful fragrance to those who are being saved, 742 00:40:02,410 --> 00:40:05,850 S6: Paul wrote. But to those who are perishing, we are 743 00:40:05,850 --> 00:40:08,810 S6: the stench of death. Think about that for a moment, 744 00:40:09,210 --> 00:40:11,210 S6: and then I'm going to give you a final verse 745 00:40:11,250 --> 00:40:15,890 S6: or passage which answers this. This quotation, this chapter. You're 746 00:40:15,890 --> 00:40:19,450 S6: talking about a lot of people. When I read this, 747 00:40:19,450 --> 00:40:21,170 S6: they're going to be shocked that this is in the 748 00:40:21,170 --> 00:40:25,210 S6: New Testament. Second Corinthians ten four says, for the weapons 749 00:40:25,210 --> 00:40:28,529 S6: of our warfare are not carnal, but mighty in God 750 00:40:28,530 --> 00:40:32,130 S6: for pulling down strongholds. I think everybody knows that verse, 751 00:40:32,170 --> 00:40:35,370 S6: casting down arguments and every high thing that exalts itself 752 00:40:35,370 --> 00:40:38,210 S6: against the knowledge of God and bringing every thought into 753 00:40:38,210 --> 00:40:40,569 S6: captivity to the obedience of Christ. And a lot of 754 00:40:40,570 --> 00:40:43,370 S6: us stop reading at that point, Janet. But the next 755 00:40:43,370 --> 00:40:49,370 S6: verse says this. And being ready to punish all disobedience 756 00:40:49,370 --> 00:40:54,530 S6: when your obedience is fulfilled. Other translations say it this way. 757 00:40:54,770 --> 00:40:59,330 S6: When you obey Christ in this world by obeying Christ, 758 00:40:59,489 --> 00:41:05,689 S6: your obedience exposes the sin in this world. When we 759 00:41:05,690 --> 00:41:09,129 S6: choose to obey him because we love him, he's going 760 00:41:09,170 --> 00:41:12,450 S6: to make us the Sultan light. He's going to cause 761 00:41:12,450 --> 00:41:16,009 S6: us to be able to answer people for the hope 762 00:41:16,010 --> 00:41:20,009 S6: that we have within us, with faith and with respect 763 00:41:20,010 --> 00:41:23,850 S6: and with the winsomeness. But all the while, we can't. 764 00:41:23,890 --> 00:41:25,890 S6: We've got to do it for our love for God. 765 00:41:25,930 --> 00:41:28,529 S6: Because if we're doing it to to what, get a 766 00:41:28,530 --> 00:41:33,410 S6: bigger church or have people think nice of us. Jesus says, 767 00:41:33,410 --> 00:41:36,890 S6: watch out for that because that's a snare. So it's 768 00:41:36,890 --> 00:41:39,770 S6: quite a sobering thing to realize that as I go around, 769 00:41:39,770 --> 00:41:41,969 S6: this is my goal in life. I want to be 770 00:41:41,969 --> 00:41:46,129 S6: the most loving person possible because Jesus Christ is and 771 00:41:46,130 --> 00:41:48,770 S6: was when he was on earth. And at the same time, 772 00:41:50,090 --> 00:41:51,890 S6: he taught us that we're going to be the most 773 00:41:51,890 --> 00:41:55,330 S6: hated people on earth because they hated him first. How 774 00:41:55,330 --> 00:41:58,569 S6: do we reconcile that? There's no other explanation in my 775 00:41:58,570 --> 00:42:02,410 S6: heart but to be obedient to him in an unbelieving, 776 00:42:02,410 --> 00:42:06,129 S6: Christ rejecting world who stays in that position. They're not 777 00:42:06,130 --> 00:42:09,330 S6: going to want anything that we have to say or 778 00:42:09,330 --> 00:42:12,010 S6: to invite them to. And it's a very sobering thing. 779 00:42:12,050 --> 00:42:16,570 S6: It's it's very serious. But our lives are living testimonies. 780 00:42:16,570 --> 00:42:18,609 S6: Somebody may never go to church or may never read 781 00:42:18,610 --> 00:42:21,569 S6: the Bible, but they know us. And what kind of 782 00:42:21,570 --> 00:42:24,370 S6: message are we sending them? Is it accurate? Is it true? 783 00:42:24,410 --> 00:42:28,850 S6: Are we loving without being some form of this new 784 00:42:28,850 --> 00:42:31,690 S6: age tolerance that we live in? If I love somebody, 785 00:42:31,690 --> 00:42:34,610 S6: I'm going to tell them, I love you and Jesus 786 00:42:34,610 --> 00:42:36,969 S6: has got a better life for you because the lifestyle 787 00:42:36,969 --> 00:42:40,250 S6: you're living is going to kill you and it is 788 00:42:40,250 --> 00:42:44,129 S6: sin if I tell them that I love them, if 789 00:42:44,130 --> 00:42:46,450 S6: I don't. I do not love them. 790 00:42:46,489 --> 00:42:49,930 S1: Yeah, Jack, the focus of the book is so much 791 00:42:49,930 --> 00:42:54,490 S1: really about us individually having this revival in our lives. 792 00:42:54,489 --> 00:42:57,770 S1: Because if you do, you become. It's that Peter and 793 00:42:57,770 --> 00:43:00,169 S1: John moment where they're basically told, sit down, be quiet, 794 00:43:00,170 --> 00:43:02,930 S1: you're rocking the boat. And they say in response, we 795 00:43:02,930 --> 00:43:05,250 S1: can't stop talking about that which we've seen and heard. 796 00:43:05,250 --> 00:43:07,850 S1: If we fall in love with Jesus by getting into 797 00:43:07,850 --> 00:43:10,690 S1: deeper into His Word. And these are love letters. So 798 00:43:10,690 --> 00:43:12,730 S1: we do know more about who the Savior is. If 799 00:43:12,730 --> 00:43:16,170 S1: we recognize the person of the indwelling power of the 800 00:43:16,170 --> 00:43:18,890 S1: Holy Spirit, we understand that he has given us all 801 00:43:18,890 --> 00:43:20,770 S1: that we need to put one foot in front of 802 00:43:20,770 --> 00:43:23,290 S1: the other. And if we walk in obedience, it isn't 803 00:43:23,290 --> 00:43:26,330 S1: out of fear and trembling, it is out of absolute love. 804 00:43:26,610 --> 00:43:29,370 S1: I mean, so yes, the culture is falling apart. The 805 00:43:29,370 --> 00:43:32,250 S1: culture is doing exactly what the culture does without Jesus Christ. 806 00:43:32,530 --> 00:43:36,490 S1: But you're telling us, basically it's about us. If we change, 807 00:43:36,530 --> 00:43:39,600 S1: we're going to be attractive enough to. Perhaps God might 808 00:43:39,600 --> 00:43:41,719 S1: use us to bring real revival in this country, but 809 00:43:41,719 --> 00:43:44,359 S1: that revival starts with me. You know, you're really going 810 00:43:44,360 --> 00:43:46,319 S1: back to George Whitefield, who would preach on the top 811 00:43:46,320 --> 00:43:48,320 S1: of a wagon, take out a piece of chalk from 812 00:43:48,320 --> 00:43:51,400 S1: his waistcoat, draw a circle around himself and say, Lord, 813 00:43:51,400 --> 00:43:54,239 S1: bring revival. But let it begin with me. That's what 814 00:43:54,239 --> 00:43:58,400 S1: this book is all about. Lord, let revival begin with me. 815 00:43:58,719 --> 00:44:00,120 S1: I love the way you write. I love the way 816 00:44:00,120 --> 00:44:02,439 S1: you teach Jack. And I'm so thankful for the gift 817 00:44:02,440 --> 00:44:04,520 S1: of your time to be able to talk us through this. 818 00:44:04,520 --> 00:44:06,080 S1: Let me tell my friends again the name of the 819 00:44:06,080 --> 00:44:07,960 S1: book so they'll get a copy and read it. You 820 00:44:07,960 --> 00:44:09,879 S1: see what's happening out there. We all have a sense 821 00:44:09,880 --> 00:44:13,120 S1: that Aslan is on the move. Something's happening. But what 822 00:44:13,120 --> 00:44:16,360 S1: are you doing to be attractive as an ambassador for Christ? 823 00:44:16,360 --> 00:44:19,399 S1: What are you doing in obedience to him? Some will 824 00:44:19,400 --> 00:44:21,719 S1: be drawn to that, some will reject it. But in 825 00:44:21,719 --> 00:44:24,840 S1: the meantime, you're honoring our most glorious and high king, 826 00:44:25,080 --> 00:44:28,520 S1: called to take a bold stand. Resilient and effective faith 827 00:44:28,520 --> 00:44:31,720 S1: for a godless nation. Fabulous new book by pastor Jack Hibbs. 828 00:44:31,760 --> 00:44:33,799 S1: Thank you, Jack, so much. Thanks, friends. We'll see you 829 00:44:33,800 --> 00:44:34,440 S1: next time.