WEBVTT - Hour 2: Study the Bible 0:00:10.080 --> 0:00:15.600 Hello, friends. Welcome to Open Line, Moody Radio's Bible study 0:00:15.600 --> 0:00:18.360 Across America. This is our second hour. I'm so glad 0:00:18.360 --> 0:00:23.320 to be with you. Uh, taking your questions about the Bible, God, 0:00:23.440 --> 0:00:26.160 and the spiritual life. My name is Michael Wright, and 0:00:26.160 --> 0:00:32.040 this is the Bible study across America. Uh, we're live 0:00:32.080 --> 0:00:35.920 sitting around the radio kitchen table talking about your questions. 0:00:35.920 --> 0:00:38.080 So you set the agenda with your calls, the phone 0:00:38.080 --> 0:00:48.440 number (877) 548-3675. That's (877) 548-3675. If you can't call, you can 0:00:48.440 --> 0:00:53.159 always go to our website. That's open line radio.org. You 0:00:53.159 --> 0:00:55.680 can click on the link that says ask Michael a 0:00:55.680 --> 0:00:58.639 question and post your question there. I hope you have 0:00:58.640 --> 0:01:01.470 a second cup of coffee, and I hope you still 0:01:01.470 --> 0:01:03.870 have your Bibles open, because we're going to be talking 0:01:03.870 --> 0:01:09.110 about the scriptures right now. We'll talk with Stacy in Clearwater, Florida, 0:01:09.150 --> 0:01:12.709 listening on. Welcome to Open Line, Stacy. How can I 0:01:12.750 --> 0:01:13.270 help you? 0:01:14.470 --> 0:01:19.110 Good morning. Um, my question is, how was Aaron able 0:01:19.110 --> 0:01:22.949 to meet back up with Moses when Moses fled Egypt 0:01:23.190 --> 0:01:25.950 after murdering the Egyptian soldier? 0:01:27.830 --> 0:01:34.709 Well, the verse that you're calling about is Exodus 427. 0:01:34.990 --> 0:01:37.190 Now the Lord had said to Moses, go and meet 0:01:37.190 --> 0:01:40.869 Moses in the wilderness. So he went and met him 0:01:40.870 --> 0:01:43.990 at the mountain of God and kissed him. Right. That's 0:01:43.990 --> 0:01:45.870 the verse you're talking about. 0:01:45.910 --> 0:01:47.069 Yes. Yes. 0:01:47.110 --> 0:01:50.750 He just they set their GPS for the mountain of God, 0:01:50.990 --> 0:01:53.470 and they used that to get right where they needed 0:01:53.470 --> 0:01:56.030 to go. What do you think best? 0:01:56.070 --> 0:01:58.670 That was what I was wondering, because they did not 0:01:58.670 --> 0:02:01.310 have the communication options. 0:02:01.470 --> 0:02:03.350 Well, now, this is. This is your. 0:02:03.350 --> 0:02:11.350 Presumption, Stacy. Uh, here's the thing. That Moses, uh, had 0:02:11.350 --> 0:02:17.630 already gone back to Egypt. It says that Moses was 0:02:17.630 --> 0:02:20.190 there and or it was going back to Egypt. But 0:02:20.190 --> 0:02:23.750 so it was 40 years. He spent 40 years in Egypt, 0:02:24.230 --> 0:02:27.070 then 40 years in the wilderness. Now he's going back. 0:02:27.510 --> 0:02:30.110 And then he had 40 years leading the children of Israel. 0:02:30.110 --> 0:02:33.550 That's his 120 year life. So I think it's just 0:02:33.550 --> 0:02:37.389 a there must have been messengers going back and forth. Uh, Moses, 0:02:37.389 --> 0:02:40.750 I'm sure when he landed in Midian, sent messages. There 0:02:40.750 --> 0:02:44.430 was messengers that would bring messages to let his family 0:02:44.430 --> 0:02:46.710 know where he was, because he knew who his family was. 0:02:46.710 --> 0:02:50.950 He knew Aaron. He knew Miriam. He knew his mother. Uh, Jochebed. 0:02:51.110 --> 0:02:53.470 And so I'm sure he let them know that. And 0:02:53.470 --> 0:02:57.340 then obviously with, uh, with this command from the Lord. 0:02:57.620 --> 0:03:00.019 And Moses on the way. There must have been messengers 0:03:00.020 --> 0:03:03.540 that got sent in advance about where they were supposed 0:03:03.540 --> 0:03:07.660 to meet. And so maybe it was, uh, Aaron who 0:03:07.660 --> 0:03:10.820 sent the message to Moses saying, Moses, meet me at 0:03:10.820 --> 0:03:13.740 the mountain of God. And that's where they met. So 0:03:14.139 --> 0:03:17.500 I think that's that's the best explanation that there must 0:03:17.540 --> 0:03:20.540 have been messengers in between that led them to know 0:03:20.540 --> 0:03:22.820 where each would be. Okay. 0:03:23.060 --> 0:03:25.540 Thank you. I always wondered that. Thank you. 0:03:26.020 --> 0:03:26.500 Sure. 0:03:26.540 --> 0:03:28.620 I'm so glad. You know, so often when we read 0:03:28.620 --> 0:03:31.980 the Bible, the Bible doesn't answer those kinds of questions 0:03:31.980 --> 0:03:35.700 because the author makes his determination about what he thinks 0:03:35.700 --> 0:03:38.540 is most important. But so often what we need to 0:03:38.540 --> 0:03:40.540 do is fill in the gaps just so we can 0:03:40.540 --> 0:03:43.660 see that these narratives are expected to be taken at 0:03:43.660 --> 0:03:46.180 face value, that they are true. Which is why someone 0:03:46.180 --> 0:03:49.660 will say, where did the baskets come from? Like last hour? Uh, 0:03:49.820 --> 0:03:53.580 for the feeding of the 5000. And, uh, this one. 0:03:53.860 --> 0:03:56.690 How did they meet? And so much of it is. Yeah, 0:03:56.690 --> 0:03:59.370 we can figure out a way that makes sense, but 0:03:59.370 --> 0:04:03.810 obviously don't want to miss the spiritual message about Moses 0:04:03.810 --> 0:04:07.050 and Aaron leading and God telling them how they're supposed 0:04:07.050 --> 0:04:09.970 to lead the children of Israel and when they failed, 0:04:09.970 --> 0:04:13.690 how they had to reap the consequences of that. So anyway, 0:04:13.690 --> 0:04:16.610 thanks for your call, Stacy. Really appreciate it. Uh, we're 0:04:16.610 --> 0:04:20.849 going to talk to Theresa in Evanston, Illinois, listening on. 0:04:22.170 --> 0:04:25.369 Welcome to Open Line. Theresa. How can I help you today? 0:04:25.410 --> 0:04:29.650 Morning. Good morning. Doctor. Thank you so much for teaching us. 0:04:30.410 --> 0:04:30.810 Sure. 0:04:30.890 --> 0:04:36.930 Um, my question is on Romans 826 and 27. I 0:04:36.930 --> 0:04:41.050 wanted to understand how it what it means and how 0:04:41.050 --> 0:04:44.770 it works, that the Holy Spirit Himself intercedes for us 0:04:44.770 --> 0:04:47.570 in our prayers with unspoken groanings. 0:04:48.450 --> 0:04:48.930 Mhm. 0:04:49.570 --> 0:04:52.810 Well, what do you have any opinion about what that is? 0:04:53.600 --> 0:04:57.799 So well. When I was giving it thought, I was 0:04:57.800 --> 0:05:01.040 thinking that maybe it could mean something like this. If 0:05:01.040 --> 0:05:03.520 I'm going to pray before work, say I'm on my 0:05:03.520 --> 0:05:05.640 way to work and I'm just going to pray for 0:05:05.640 --> 0:05:10.320 an easy day, you know, not too much difficulties, but 0:05:10.360 --> 0:05:13.479 I know that that isn't really a good way to pray. 0:05:14.160 --> 0:05:18.800 The Holy Spirit would probably say, use my difficulties to 0:05:18.800 --> 0:05:22.440 bring glory to God. Give me strength in the weaknesses. 0:05:22.480 --> 0:05:25.040 Help me to be a shining light for everyone that 0:05:25.040 --> 0:05:28.640 I come in contact with. But the thing is then, 0:05:28.640 --> 0:05:32.480 I know that already. If the Holy Spirit is praying 0:05:32.480 --> 0:05:36.720 for me something I already know that that's how I 0:05:36.720 --> 0:05:37.480 should pray. 0:05:38.080 --> 0:05:39.760 The reason I ask that is that a lot of 0:05:39.760 --> 0:05:42.120 my friends in the past used to say that this 0:05:42.120 --> 0:05:45.279 verse is an example of why people should pray in 0:05:45.320 --> 0:05:50.840 tongues in unknown languages, and they said, that's praying in 0:05:50.839 --> 0:05:53.960 the spirit. Now the thing is, I don't believe that 0:05:53.960 --> 0:05:55.880 this verse is saying that because if you read the verse, 0:05:55.920 --> 0:05:59.320 it says in the same way, the spirit also joins 0:05:59.320 --> 0:06:03.080 to help us in our weakness because we don't know 0:06:03.279 --> 0:06:06.680 what to pray for, pray for as we should, but 0:06:06.680 --> 0:06:09.719 the Spirit himself intercedes for us. And here it is 0:06:09.960 --> 0:06:17.000 with unspoken groanings, uh, word groanings that are too deep 0:06:17.000 --> 0:06:21.039 for words. Some versions say, uh, if it's too deep 0:06:21.040 --> 0:06:26.440 for words, then it's not articulate, it's not spoken. And 0:06:26.480 --> 0:06:28.880 then if someone were praying in tongues, that would be 0:06:28.880 --> 0:06:32.320 spoken words, even if the spirit allegedly was praying through 0:06:32.320 --> 0:06:34.640 them as they prayed in tongues. So it's not talking 0:06:34.640 --> 0:06:38.040 about tongues. And I'm glad we agree about that. I 0:06:38.040 --> 0:06:40.000 think it's a little bit different than the way you 0:06:40.000 --> 0:06:43.800 put it. It's talking about when we are weak and 0:06:43.800 --> 0:06:46.440 we don't know what to pray. There are times in 0:06:46.440 --> 0:06:48.760 our lives we're going to hit a circumstance that we've 0:06:48.760 --> 0:06:52.430 prayed about. It's a difficulty. Maybe it's a loved one 0:06:52.710 --> 0:06:56.630 that is very sick. Or maybe it's a conflict that 0:06:56.630 --> 0:06:58.390 you're having with someone and you don't know how to 0:06:58.390 --> 0:07:02.029 resolve it. It may be something that that's just really 0:07:02.029 --> 0:07:04.590 deeply painful. And you, you've prayed about it and you 0:07:04.589 --> 0:07:06.270 get to the point where you think, I just don't 0:07:06.270 --> 0:07:09.670 know what to pray anymore. I can't pray anymore. I'm done. 0:07:10.070 --> 0:07:12.470 I just don't know what to do. And when we 0:07:12.510 --> 0:07:16.990 come to those roadblocks in prayer, the Holy Spirit intercedes 0:07:16.990 --> 0:07:19.390 for us right there in the presence of God. The 0:07:19.390 --> 0:07:23.990 Holy Spirit goes to the father and brings our groanings, 0:07:23.990 --> 0:07:29.550 our pain, our difficulties to the father for us because 0:07:29.550 --> 0:07:32.350 we don't even know what to pray anymore. And and 0:07:32.350 --> 0:07:34.430 that's a comfort to me, because I have come to 0:07:34.470 --> 0:07:36.310 places like that in my life where I just didn't 0:07:36.310 --> 0:07:38.710 know what to do anymore. And I knew the Holy 0:07:38.710 --> 0:07:42.230 Spirit gave me peace because he was interceding for me. 0:07:42.590 --> 0:07:43.350 Does that help? 0:07:44.150 --> 0:07:46.910 Yes it does. Thank you and thank you for explaining 0:07:46.910 --> 0:07:51.300 about that. It isn't like a prayer language. Praying in tongues. 0:07:51.340 --> 0:07:55.140 I don't think that, but sometimes I don't know how 0:07:55.140 --> 0:07:57.980 to answer someone that does believe that. So thank you 0:07:57.980 --> 0:07:58.860 for that as well. 0:07:59.500 --> 0:08:03.020 Sure. Well, it's my pleasure. Thanks for calling, Theresa. Uh, 0:08:03.500 --> 0:08:08.300 we're going to talk to Susan in Georgia, listening on WNBA. 0:08:08.540 --> 0:08:11.380 Welcome to Open Line. Susan. How can I help you? 0:08:11.860 --> 0:08:15.820 Hello. It's good to hear you. Your voice. Uh, I 0:08:15.900 --> 0:08:18.500 hear you on the radio. And I try to get 0:08:18.500 --> 0:08:24.260 through last week but couldn't get through. Um, I I'm 0:08:24.500 --> 0:08:27.860 I'm a little bit unsure of what this verse means. 0:08:27.900 --> 0:08:33.380 It's Matthew, chapter eight verses. Uh, well, it starts after 0:08:33.380 --> 0:08:36.740 the centurion, you know, asked Jesus to go to his 0:08:36.740 --> 0:08:41.220 house to heal his servant. Um, he he didn't want 0:08:41.260 --> 0:08:43.660 Jesus to go to his house, but he said that 0:08:43.660 --> 0:08:46.460 he could do it right there, you know, because he 0:08:46.620 --> 0:08:49.770 he has men over him there. And and so Jesus 0:08:49.770 --> 0:08:55.890 marveled in verse ten at what? He said that he 0:08:55.890 --> 0:08:59.890 marveled at that at his great faith. You know, but 0:08:59.929 --> 0:09:03.130 he said, assuredly, I say to you, that I have 0:09:03.130 --> 0:09:06.650 not found such great faith, not even in Israel. And 0:09:06.809 --> 0:09:10.090 I say to you that many will come from east 0:09:10.090 --> 0:09:14.250 and west, and sit down with Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob 0:09:14.530 --> 0:09:17.929 in the kingdom of heaven. But the sons of the 0:09:17.929 --> 0:09:21.809 kingdom will be cast out into outer darkness, and there 0:09:21.809 --> 0:09:26.130 will be weeping and gnashing of teeth. Um, and then 0:09:26.130 --> 0:09:28.570 he just turned around and told the centurion to go 0:09:28.610 --> 0:09:31.490 his way and that his servant would be healed. Now 0:09:31.490 --> 0:09:34.650 I'm wondering, uh, can you explain this to me? Because, 0:09:34.690 --> 0:09:36.850 I mean, I got my own thoughts, but I'd like 0:09:36.850 --> 0:09:41.250 to hear you explain that to me, please. What Jesus 0:09:41.250 --> 0:09:44.530 meant by that. I mean, you know, because he said 0:09:44.530 --> 0:09:46.530 that they'll come from the east and west and they 0:09:46.530 --> 0:09:49.330 will sit down in heaven, you know, in the kingdom 0:09:49.330 --> 0:09:49.970 of heaven. 0:09:50.010 --> 0:09:52.809 Let me just say it's kind of interesting because the 0:09:52.809 --> 0:09:57.930 very same story takes place in Luke seven. And Luke 0:09:57.929 --> 0:10:01.730 writing to Gentiles has a slightly different emphasis. So I 0:10:01.730 --> 0:10:04.450 want to point that out to you before I talk 0:10:04.490 --> 0:10:06.490 about Matthew with you. 0:10:06.530 --> 0:10:07.010 Okay. 0:10:07.730 --> 0:10:15.050 Uh, it says in Luke seven that, uh, that the elders, 0:10:15.370 --> 0:10:21.730 the Jewish elders, came and they requested that they saved 0:10:21.730 --> 0:10:25.450 the life of this centurion's servant. When they reached Jesus, 0:10:25.450 --> 0:10:29.050 they pleaded with him earnestly, saying, he is worthy for 0:10:29.050 --> 0:10:31.969 you to grant this, because he loves our nation and 0:10:31.970 --> 0:10:35.530 has built us a synagogue. And then it says, So 0:10:35.530 --> 0:10:38.930 Jesus went with them. It seems like the Abrahamic Covenant 0:10:38.929 --> 0:10:42.170 is coming out here, that because he had blessed the 0:10:42.170 --> 0:10:45.010 Jewish people, the Lord Jesus was now going to bless 0:10:45.010 --> 0:10:47.880 him by caring for this servant of his. And so 0:10:47.880 --> 0:10:52.040 writing to Gentiles, it's almost like Luke includes this idea 0:10:52.040 --> 0:10:55.400 that you have to be concerned and be like this 0:10:55.400 --> 0:11:02.320 centurion who had a great care, great love for the 0:11:02.320 --> 0:11:05.840 Jewish people. And you can see that there in Luke seven, 0:11:05.840 --> 0:11:11.240 verses four and five. Okay. So that's, uh, the, the 0:11:11.280 --> 0:11:14.160 I will bless those who bless you aspect of the 0:11:14.160 --> 0:11:18.160 Abrahamic covenant coming to fruition. And that's what Luke wrote 0:11:18.160 --> 0:11:21.760 to Gentiles. Now Matthew is writing to Jewish people and 0:11:21.960 --> 0:11:26.160 to to Matthew. He's going to emphasize Matthew is going 0:11:26.160 --> 0:11:30.040 to emphasize to Jewish people that just because you're Jewish 0:11:30.040 --> 0:11:34.560 doesn't grant you automatic entry into the kingdom of heaven. Uh, 0:11:34.679 --> 0:11:39.160 that this Gentile had greater faith than all of Israel. 0:11:39.160 --> 0:11:41.840 That's what he says. But the sons of the kingdom, 0:11:41.840 --> 0:11:44.750 there will be people who are Jewish who are relying 0:11:44.750 --> 0:11:47.510 on the fact that they have this Abrahamic covenant, but 0:11:47.510 --> 0:11:50.309 they don't have a personal faith, and they won't. And 0:11:50.309 --> 0:11:53.790 they refuse to believe in the Messiah, that those people 0:11:53.790 --> 0:11:58.310 will be kept out. It's just the emphasis here is 0:11:58.670 --> 0:12:01.510 that when when Matthew is writing to Jewish people, he's 0:12:01.510 --> 0:12:05.829 talking to them about their need to be spiritually responsive 0:12:05.910 --> 0:12:08.429 to the Lord Jesus and to believe in him. And 0:12:08.429 --> 0:12:12.110 when he when Luke is writing to Gentiles, he's reminding 0:12:12.110 --> 0:12:14.949 them of their need to love and care for Jewish 0:12:14.950 --> 0:12:17.550 people according to the Abrahamic Covenant. 0:12:18.350 --> 0:12:21.870 Okay, that's what I thought it was. I really did, 0:12:21.870 --> 0:12:23.870 I thought that's what it was, but I just wanted 0:12:23.870 --> 0:12:27.870 to make sure that that's it, that I had it right. Um, 0:12:28.470 --> 0:12:29.190 and I thank you. 0:12:29.190 --> 0:12:31.589 But it's so interesting to me to see the, the, 0:12:31.790 --> 0:12:34.829 the message as it's given to Gentiles, the same story 0:12:35.110 --> 0:12:37.829 as opposed to how it's given to Jewish people. You know, 0:12:37.870 --> 0:12:41.069 one of the things that the Mishnah says that all 0:12:41.110 --> 0:12:44.700 Israel share in the world to come. Uh. And then 0:12:44.700 --> 0:12:49.020 it has a whole bunch of exceptions. And I think 0:12:49.020 --> 0:12:52.780 that's kind of important that, uh, that's what the Lord 0:12:52.780 --> 0:12:55.740 Jesus is doing. Exactly what the mission did. That God 0:12:55.740 --> 0:12:57.939 made these promises to the sons of the kingdom. But 0:12:57.940 --> 0:13:01.020 if they don't believe there's some that won't be part 0:13:01.020 --> 0:13:05.060 of those promises. So that's that's a great reminder. Well, 0:13:05.059 --> 0:13:06.860 thank you for your call, Susan. 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We're really appreciative of every gift, but 0:15:53.960 --> 0:15:56.600 especially now, it's kind of a little bit of a 0:15:56.920 --> 0:15:59.920 seasonal thing. And so I want to encourage you to 0:15:59.960 --> 0:16:03.240 give a gift now. Uh, we're going to go to 0:16:03.640 --> 0:16:06.840 the phones again. We're going to talk to Kristen in Schaumburg, Illinois, 0:16:06.840 --> 0:16:09.840 listening on WNBA. Welcome to Open Line. Kristen. How can 0:16:09.840 --> 0:16:10.640 I help you today? 0:16:11.120 --> 0:16:14.680 Good morning, Doctor Reidel. Nick, can you please tell me 0:16:14.680 --> 0:16:18.840 what the what's the difference between the white Throne judgment 0:16:18.840 --> 0:16:22.480 and the judgment seat of Christ? And who will stand 0:16:22.480 --> 0:16:23.680 before each. 0:16:25.720 --> 0:16:29.680 Well, the judgment seat of Christ, or the Bema seat 0:16:29.720 --> 0:16:34.440 of the Messiah is described in Second Corinthians chapter five. 0:16:35.240 --> 0:16:38.670 It's also, in a sense, it's not called that in 0:16:38.710 --> 0:16:44.070 first Corinthians three, but that's what it's describing in first 0:16:44.070 --> 0:16:48.550 Corinthians three. It talks about our works being judged and 0:16:48.550 --> 0:16:50.870 that there are some like wood, hay and straw, and 0:16:50.870 --> 0:16:53.270 they were judged by fire and they'll be burned up, 0:16:53.270 --> 0:16:57.670 and others are gold and silver and precious, uh, uh, gold. 0:16:57.710 --> 0:17:02.230 I'm sorry. Yeah. Precious gems. Uh, and they won't be 0:17:02.230 --> 0:17:07.949 burned up and so. Uh, but it says if a 0:17:07.950 --> 0:17:11.750 person has no good works, that everything they have will 0:17:11.750 --> 0:17:13.750 be burned up. But if they know the Lord, they 0:17:13.750 --> 0:17:17.230 will still be saved yet so as through fire. So 0:17:17.230 --> 0:17:21.270 that's that's what that passage is talking about. And then 0:17:21.270 --> 0:17:24.110 in second Corinthians five, it talks about the Bema Seat 0:17:24.630 --> 0:17:27.350 that we're going to stand before the Lord at the 0:17:27.390 --> 0:17:32.550 Bema Seat, the judgment seat of the Messiah. Uh, it says, 0:17:32.550 --> 0:17:36.820 for we must all appear before the Bema Seat or 0:17:36.820 --> 0:17:40.540 the tribunal or the judgment seat of the Messiah, so 0:17:40.540 --> 0:17:43.820 that each may be repaid for what he has done 0:17:43.820 --> 0:17:48.260 in the body, whether good or worthless. That's second Corinthians 510. 0:17:48.500 --> 0:17:51.180 So that's that's what's taking place. I believe that will 0:17:51.180 --> 0:17:57.340 take place during the tribulation period in heaven. And then, uh, uh, 0:17:57.340 --> 0:18:00.859 when the believers are all there, uh, the that's that's 0:18:00.859 --> 0:18:02.500 when we'll all be there and we'll that's when the 0:18:02.540 --> 0:18:06.460 judgment seat of the Messiah will take place. Uh, the 0:18:06.619 --> 0:18:10.580 great White Throne judgment takes place after the thousand year reign. 0:18:10.580 --> 0:18:14.900 And that's the judgment of non-believers. Everyone will be resurrected. 0:18:15.140 --> 0:18:18.179 Believers already will have been resurrected, but non-believers will be 0:18:18.180 --> 0:18:22.419 resurrected this time. And they will stand before the judge. 0:18:22.540 --> 0:18:25.940 And this will be their final judgment. Does that help? 0:18:25.980 --> 0:18:28.980 That's in revelation chapter 20. Okay. 0:18:29.700 --> 0:18:30.699 Thank you very much. 0:18:31.100 --> 0:18:34.580 Okay. Thank you. Thanks for your call. Uh, we're going 0:18:34.660 --> 0:18:39.859 to talk to Harry in Ohio, listening on WC. Welcome 0:18:39.859 --> 0:18:41.700 to Open Line, Harry. How can I help you? 0:18:42.619 --> 0:18:46.740 Thank you very much, doctor Mike. Um. Love the fastest 0:18:46.740 --> 0:18:50.700 two hours in radio. Love your show. Thank you. My question. 0:18:51.060 --> 0:18:55.459 You're welcome. My question is, why? Back to the time 0:18:55.460 --> 0:19:00.340 of Esther. To Hitler to present day. Why are the 0:19:00.340 --> 0:19:03.340 Jewish people such a hated people? 0:19:05.100 --> 0:19:11.220 Well. First of all, let's start with what is anti-Semitism? 0:19:11.260 --> 0:19:13.500 It's hatred of the Jewish people. It's not hatred of 0:19:13.500 --> 0:19:16.939 people who speak Semitic languages, which is what some people 0:19:16.940 --> 0:19:20.900 will say. anti-Semitism is the hatred of the Jewish people. 0:19:20.900 --> 0:19:23.859 It was coined by Wilhelm Marr at the end of 0:19:23.859 --> 0:19:27.820 the 19th century. He was the founder of the anti-Semitic League, 0:19:28.020 --> 0:19:31.379 and he wanted to find a more scientific sounding term 0:19:31.700 --> 0:19:36.370 for his racial hatred of the Jewish people, and the 0:19:36.369 --> 0:19:40.930 German word up to that point had been judenhass Jew hatred. 0:19:41.170 --> 0:19:45.449 And so he changed it to anti-Semitism so that he 0:19:45.450 --> 0:19:50.090 could have a more quote unquote scientific sounding term. That's 0:19:50.090 --> 0:19:53.330 where that term comes from. And it didn't start with Heymann. 0:19:53.330 --> 0:19:56.770 It actually goes back to Pharaoh. Remember Pharaoh getting rid 0:19:56.810 --> 0:20:00.650 of the male committing genocide, trying to commit genocide of 0:20:00.690 --> 0:20:04.729 the Israelite slaves? That's where it goes back to. Right. 0:20:04.730 --> 0:20:05.130 Okay. 0:20:05.530 --> 0:20:10.490 Um, and it's one of the things that, uh, it 0:20:10.490 --> 0:20:14.930 seems like people don't realize it is the most irrational hatred. 0:20:15.410 --> 0:20:19.050 It is a conspiracy theory that has no truth to it. 0:20:19.050 --> 0:20:23.090 So what is the true source of it? Psalm 83 0:20:23.810 --> 0:20:27.730 gives us one key. In Psalm 83 it says, those 0:20:27.730 --> 0:20:31.810 who hate the God of Israel will also hate the 0:20:31.810 --> 0:20:35.760 people of Israel. So in Psalm 83, here's what it says, 0:20:36.480 --> 0:20:41.879 turning to it right now. Um, it says, see, speaking 0:20:41.920 --> 0:20:45.560 to God. See how your enemies make an uproar. Those 0:20:45.560 --> 0:20:50.920 who hate you have acted arrogantly. They devise clever schemes 0:20:50.920 --> 0:20:56.520 against your people. They conspire against your treasured ones. They say, come, 0:20:56.560 --> 0:20:59.240 let us wipe them out as a nation. So that 0:20:59.240 --> 0:21:02.560 Israel's name will no longer be remembered. For they have 0:21:02.560 --> 0:21:10.600 conspired with one mind. They form an alliance against you. So, uh, 0:21:10.800 --> 0:21:13.199 part of what's going on with the hatred of the 0:21:13.200 --> 0:21:16.560 Jewish people is hatred of the God of Israel. That's 0:21:16.560 --> 0:21:21.000 why they hate the people of Israel. Revelation 12 tells 0:21:21.000 --> 0:21:29.399 us that Satan wants to destroy the woman described there 0:21:29.440 --> 0:21:34.230 that gives birth to the the the Messiah in Revelation 12. 0:21:34.230 --> 0:21:38.550 And that woman is symbolically there to represent Israel, not 0:21:38.550 --> 0:21:43.310 the Virgin Mary, but rather to represent Israel and wants 0:21:43.310 --> 0:21:48.830 to destroy Israel. And so, uh, it's satanic. Uh, that's 0:21:48.830 --> 0:21:51.750 the source of it. Satan hates whom God loves. So 0:21:51.750 --> 0:21:56.629 that's one reason that there's so much anti-Semitism is that 0:21:56.630 --> 0:21:59.830 Satan hates whom God loves. God has chosen the Jewish people. 0:21:59.869 --> 0:22:02.830 He's got a special he calls Israel my firstborn in 0:22:02.830 --> 0:22:06.790 Exodus four. And so I believe that the Jewish people 0:22:06.790 --> 0:22:11.429 at large are hated by people because Satan hates the 0:22:11.430 --> 0:22:14.830 Jewish people, because he hates whom God loves. Then also 0:22:14.830 --> 0:22:18.669 Satan wants to obstruct God's plan. That's why he wants 0:22:18.670 --> 0:22:21.910 to destroy Israel before the first coming of the Messiah. 0:22:21.910 --> 0:22:26.350 He wants to destroy Israel. So that, uh, what would 0:22:26.350 --> 0:22:31.310 happen is that If he could have killed every last 0:22:31.310 --> 0:22:34.230 Jewish person before the coming of the Messiah, the Lord 0:22:34.230 --> 0:22:36.790 Jesus could not have been born if there had been 0:22:36.790 --> 0:22:41.469 no Jewish people for him to be born from. And also, uh, 0:22:42.070 --> 0:22:47.270 the key to the Second Coming rests with the Jewish people. 0:22:47.430 --> 0:22:52.190 The Lord Jesus says in Matthew 23, verses 37 through 39, 0:22:52.190 --> 0:22:56.030 he says, you won't see me again to Israel until 0:22:56.030 --> 0:22:58.869 you welcome me back, until you say, blessed is he 0:22:59.030 --> 0:23:01.270 who comes in the name of the Lord. And so 0:23:01.270 --> 0:23:03.390 he says to Jewish people, you have to welcome me back. 0:23:03.390 --> 0:23:06.510 And that's what will spur the end of the tribulation 0:23:06.510 --> 0:23:09.430 and bring the Messiah to deliver his people. One day 0:23:09.430 --> 0:23:12.149 the Jewish people will turn to him. So if Satan 0:23:12.150 --> 0:23:16.629 can destroy every last Jewish person, well then the result 0:23:16.630 --> 0:23:18.710 would be that maybe he could obstruct the return of 0:23:18.710 --> 0:23:22.350 the Lord Jesus. But God promises that he will always 0:23:22.350 --> 0:23:27.149 preserve his people. Jeremiah 31, verses 31 through 34 he 0:23:27.150 --> 0:23:30.140 says about the Jewish people. If you could measure the heavens, 0:23:30.140 --> 0:23:33.900 you can't. If you can search out the foundations of 0:23:33.900 --> 0:23:36.300 the deep, go to the core of the earth. If 0:23:36.300 --> 0:23:38.660 you can make the sun, moon and stars stop shining. 0:23:38.660 --> 0:23:41.419 If you can do those things, only then could you 0:23:41.420 --> 0:23:46.859 destroy the Jewish people. God will protect and preserve his people. Okay. 0:23:47.500 --> 0:23:52.379 Okay. What a great answer and explanation. I appreciate it 0:23:52.380 --> 0:23:53.100 so much. 0:23:53.740 --> 0:23:56.180 Thank you. And by the way, this is something, Harry, 0:23:56.180 --> 0:23:58.700 that we all need to take a stand against. We 0:23:58.740 --> 0:24:04.659 are living in an age where anti-Semitism has gone up 400% 0:24:04.660 --> 0:24:10.340 in the last two years. It's gone up 1,000% in 0:24:10.340 --> 0:24:15.180 the last ten years. Uh, it is exploding. Not just 0:24:15.180 --> 0:24:18.540 here in America, but around the world. Those of us 0:24:18.540 --> 0:24:21.700 who love the God of Israel and follow the Messiah 0:24:21.700 --> 0:24:24.139 of Israel need to take our stand with the people 0:24:24.140 --> 0:24:27.810 of Israel and oppose this hatred. That's what we need 0:24:27.810 --> 0:24:30.250 to do, Harry. Uh, thanks for your call. 0:24:31.170 --> 0:24:32.609 Amen. Thank you. 0:24:33.650 --> 0:24:37.090 Sure. Hey, Esther, we've got a minute before break. Can 0:24:37.090 --> 0:24:38.729 you go ahead and just ask your question? I'll see 0:24:38.730 --> 0:24:40.170 if I can answer it real quickly. 0:24:41.330 --> 0:24:47.889 Hi. My question is, who is Judah? What is Judah? 0:24:47.890 --> 0:24:52.930 Is it a city? Is it, um, a place somewhere? 0:24:53.609 --> 0:24:54.050 Okay. 0:24:54.369 --> 0:24:55.450 And dance. 0:24:55.810 --> 0:24:59.650 Okay, I'll tell you. Judah was one of the sons 0:24:59.650 --> 0:25:03.689 of Jacob who became the father of the tribe of Judah. 0:25:04.090 --> 0:25:07.290 So that's what happened. And then when the nation of 0:25:07.290 --> 0:25:11.689 Israel split. So the ten northern tribes became known as Israel. 0:25:11.930 --> 0:25:15.330 The two southern tribes of Judah and Benjamin became known 0:25:15.330 --> 0:25:19.729 as the nation of Judah. And when the people of 0:25:19.730 --> 0:25:24.850 Judah were called Judeans, then they went to captivity, and 0:25:24.850 --> 0:25:31.600 they became known in captivity from Judah Yehuda. They became 0:25:31.600 --> 0:25:36.120 known as Yehudim Jews. That's where that's where that came from. 0:25:36.320 --> 0:25:40.840 And that's who the Judeans are today, are the Jewish people. Uh, 0:25:41.160 --> 0:25:43.679 I hope that helps real quickly with the answer of 0:25:43.800 --> 0:25:45.960 Who is Judah? We're going to come right back with 0:25:45.960 --> 0:25:48.600 more questions in a moment. This is Michael Ray Dolnick 0:25:48.600 --> 0:25:52.200 on Open Line. Stay with us. More questions straight ahead. 0:26:08.160 --> 0:26:12.200 Welcome back to Open Line. It's time for the Febc mailbag. 0:26:12.200 --> 0:26:16.159 Far Eastern Broadcasting Company brings the gospel to people through 0:26:16.160 --> 0:26:21.119 media and through personal contact. It is a marvelous organization. 0:26:21.119 --> 0:26:24.879 I hope you'll check out their web page. It's full 0:26:25.240 --> 0:26:29.560 of all sorts of things there that you'll find helpful, 0:26:29.560 --> 0:26:34.080 but especially find their podcast until All I've Heard featuring 0:26:34.119 --> 0:26:37.320 Ed Cannon. I think you'll really benefit from listening to that, 0:26:37.320 --> 0:26:41.359 and I appreciate Febc partnering with Open Line to bring 0:26:41.359 --> 0:26:44.440 this mailbag to you. And joining me right now with 0:26:44.440 --> 0:26:48.640 the Febc mailbag is Tricia McMillan. And Tricia is there 0:26:48.640 --> 0:26:53.360 with her associate producer, Duncan. Hey, Tricia. I do there's 0:26:53.359 --> 0:26:54.760 a couple of things I want to mention before we 0:26:54.760 --> 0:26:58.479 get to Duncan's question. One, I wanted to thank you 0:26:58.480 --> 0:27:01.840 because last hour I mentioned that I'm going to Israel 0:27:01.840 --> 0:27:07.480 in September. And I said, uh, that we have limited space. We, 0:27:07.480 --> 0:27:11.280 I think, have 4 or 5 spots left and that 0:27:11.280 --> 0:27:13.600 of those 4 or 5 spots that we only have 0:27:13.640 --> 0:27:16.840 this week, and then we're going to shut down registration. 0:27:16.840 --> 0:27:19.000 So if people want to go, they can come with us. 0:27:19.000 --> 0:27:21.919 And I said, just go to our website openlibrary.org and 0:27:21.920 --> 0:27:26.230 then find my personal website, but you, without me even asking, 0:27:26.230 --> 0:27:29.750 linked it on our website so people can find it. 0:27:29.790 --> 0:27:32.350 And and thank you so much for that. If people 0:27:32.350 --> 0:27:35.629 are interested, they can go to our website and find 0:27:35.630 --> 0:27:40.470 that link about going to Israel in September. Uh, that's 0:27:40.470 --> 0:27:43.750 one thing. And then the other thing is, uh, I 0:27:43.750 --> 0:27:46.750 was at an event last night with a number of people, 0:27:48.270 --> 0:27:51.630 and this is kind of interesting. There were about half 0:27:51.630 --> 0:27:54.389 this group of 40 that I was meeting with were 0:27:54.390 --> 0:27:56.030 open line listeners. Oh. 0:27:56.190 --> 0:27:56.870 That's cool. 0:27:57.350 --> 0:27:59.989 Yeah. And, uh, I thought it was so interesting. They 0:27:59.990 --> 0:28:02.750 were interested in Moody Bible Institute, but every Open Line 0:28:02.750 --> 0:28:05.550 listener said, Will you greet Tricia for me. 0:28:05.550 --> 0:28:05.909 Or. 0:28:06.670 --> 0:28:11.710 Because they love you? So I think that was great. 0:28:11.750 --> 0:28:12.470 And it's yeah. 0:28:12.510 --> 0:28:15.030 It's part of that, that teamwork that we have that 0:28:15.030 --> 0:28:18.470 we work so well together. I so appreciate it. And, uh, 0:28:18.470 --> 0:28:21.460 the team of listeners and the team of callers and 0:28:21.460 --> 0:28:24.180 the team of Kitchen table partners. I hope people will 0:28:24.180 --> 0:28:26.940 consider becoming part of the team by joining us as 0:28:26.940 --> 0:28:29.620 a kitchen table partner, giving monthly so we can be 0:28:29.619 --> 0:28:32.620 on the air weekly, and we'll send you that special 0:28:32.619 --> 0:28:38.140 digital Bible study, our Bible study moment, every other week 0:28:38.140 --> 0:28:40.060 in your email, and you can listen to it. If 0:28:40.100 --> 0:28:42.460 you'd like to become a kitchen table partner, all you 0:28:42.460 --> 0:28:47.220 have to do is call 886447122 and then you can 0:28:47.220 --> 0:28:51.380 be a kitchen table partner with Tricia. That's what they 0:28:51.380 --> 0:28:57.260 really care about. That's all I'm saying. I appreciate that. So, uh. Well, Tricia, 0:28:57.300 --> 0:29:00.300 tell me about your associate producer that's there today. 0:29:00.340 --> 0:29:03.460 Well, today I brought my associate producer, uh, Duncan, who 0:29:03.460 --> 0:29:07.100 is ten, and he just finished fourth grade. Love. 0:29:07.140 --> 0:29:08.620 You found him someplace? 0:29:08.660 --> 0:29:11.100 I did. He lives with me. It's my son. 0:29:11.100 --> 0:29:11.260 Okay. 0:29:11.260 --> 0:29:14.060 There we go. Um, it's my son. He just finished 0:29:14.060 --> 0:29:17.100 fourth grade. Loves the Bible, loves reading the Bible is 0:29:17.100 --> 0:29:20.969 always like, loves Bible trivia questions. knows a lot. If 0:29:20.970 --> 0:29:23.410 you have a question, he there's a good chance he's 0:29:23.410 --> 0:29:26.810 read about it and could answer it for you. Um, 0:29:27.090 --> 0:29:29.730 and so I have a listener who has a question 0:29:29.730 --> 0:29:32.490 about judges nine. But Duncan also had a question about 0:29:32.490 --> 0:29:35.650 judges nine, and his comes first in the chapter. And 0:29:35.650 --> 0:29:37.890 so I figure he could ask it first. 0:29:38.250 --> 0:29:42.290 That's great. Go ahead. Hey, Duncan, are you there? 0:29:42.570 --> 0:29:43.690 Yes, I am. 0:29:44.250 --> 0:29:48.330 Okay, well, uh, you've been reading judges nine. Judges is 0:29:48.330 --> 0:29:49.890 a hard book for a ten year old. I just 0:29:49.890 --> 0:29:54.290 want to say so. I'm pretty impressed. Uh, what? What's 0:29:54.290 --> 0:29:56.170 your question there from judges nine? 0:29:56.650 --> 0:30:01.090 Um, my question is, why did Abimelech's brother refer to 0:30:01.130 --> 0:30:02.410 him as brambles? 0:30:03.330 --> 0:30:10.890 Um, there's that parable that Jotham gave, uh, on Mount Gerizim, and, uh, 0:30:10.890 --> 0:30:14.130 it's a parable about trees setting out to anoint a 0:30:14.130 --> 0:30:17.810 king over themselves. They said to a beautiful olive tree. 0:30:17.810 --> 0:30:22.770 You reign over us. And the olive trees said, nah, 0:30:22.770 --> 0:30:26.650 I don't want to do that. And, uh, because I have, 0:30:26.650 --> 0:30:28.730 I have a better function. I have to give oil. 0:30:29.170 --> 0:30:31.490 And then they went to a fig tree which has wonderful, 0:30:31.490 --> 0:30:36.650 delicious fruit, sweet, good fruit. And they said, rule over us. 0:30:36.650 --> 0:30:38.650 And they said the same thing to the grapevine, and 0:30:38.650 --> 0:30:40.690 each wanted to do what they were supposed to do. 0:30:41.010 --> 0:30:44.610 Then a bramble comes along and a bramble, you know, 0:30:44.650 --> 0:30:47.690 they they don't do much good. Uh, they don't have 0:30:47.730 --> 0:30:51.170 sweet fruit. They don't have make, uh, any good drink. 0:30:51.210 --> 0:30:56.930 They don't, uh, uh, produce olive oil, nothing like that. Uh, 0:30:57.130 --> 0:31:01.930 they just kind of take up space, and it's unworthy. 0:31:02.530 --> 0:31:07.690 And as a result of being unworthy, uh, the bramble 0:31:07.690 --> 0:31:13.210 is what they compare Abimelech to. The trees said to 0:31:13.210 --> 0:31:15.050 the bramble, come and reign over us. And the bramble 0:31:15.050 --> 0:31:17.920 said to the trees, if you really are anointing me 0:31:17.920 --> 0:31:21.280 as king over you, come and find shade in my refuge, 0:31:21.280 --> 0:31:25.040 in my shade. Uh, and uh, then he talks about 0:31:25.040 --> 0:31:27.520 what he would do. He would hurt them, uh, if 0:31:27.520 --> 0:31:30.600 they didn't follow him. And so all it's saying is 0:31:30.600 --> 0:31:37.480 Abimelech was unworthy for being king and that he would 0:31:37.480 --> 0:31:40.440 make trouble for them. That's what it's saying, that he 0:31:40.440 --> 0:31:45.720 was an unworthy leader. Okay, go ahead and ask me. 0:31:45.760 --> 0:31:48.400 Don't ask your mom. What's your follow up? 0:31:49.560 --> 0:31:52.040 Um, my follow up. 0:31:52.040 --> 0:31:54.480 Question. No, don't ask another question. Did you understand what 0:31:54.480 --> 0:31:57.680 I was saying about this parable? Okay, good. Because we 0:31:57.680 --> 0:32:00.600 have to go to another question, but I really appreciate 0:32:00.880 --> 0:32:05.280 you asking these questions. It shows excellent reading. Duncan, keep 0:32:05.280 --> 0:32:10.360 it up. Okay. Okay. He's nodding his head at me. 0:32:10.600 --> 0:32:14.560 Good. Yes. Uh, next question is from Jeffrey and Brianna 0:32:14.600 --> 0:32:18.190 on Facebook said in judges 923 so just a few 0:32:18.190 --> 0:32:22.630 verses later it says, when Abimelech is actually verse 22, 0:32:22.670 --> 0:32:26.070 when Abimelech had ruled over Israel three years, God sent 0:32:26.070 --> 0:32:29.110 an evil spirit between Abimelech and the lords of Shechem. 0:32:29.630 --> 0:32:35.950 They treated Abimelech deceitfully. And they're asking, why did God 0:32:35.990 --> 0:32:40.550 send an evil spirit? More specifically, it's troubling that God 0:32:40.550 --> 0:32:43.310 is the one who sent this spirit, this evil spirit. 0:32:44.470 --> 0:32:47.670 One of the things I often do is point out 0:32:48.110 --> 0:32:52.950 something that Erwin Lutzer, my friend, my my former pastor 0:32:52.950 --> 0:32:57.870 before he became pastor emeritus of Moody Church, uh, wonderful. 0:32:57.910 --> 0:33:01.630 Erwin Lutzer has often said that even the devil is 0:33:01.630 --> 0:33:05.510 God's devil, and that when an evil spirit is sent, 0:33:05.510 --> 0:33:08.470 that God is still sovereign over that, and that even 0:33:08.470 --> 0:33:13.190 evil spirits can accomplish God's purposes. And what happened here 0:33:13.470 --> 0:33:16.790 is Abimelech had ruled Israel for three years, and God 0:33:16.830 --> 0:33:19.550 sent this evil spirit because he is sovereign even over 0:33:19.550 --> 0:33:24.510 those spirits. And they treated us because of this, these 0:33:24.550 --> 0:33:27.990 evil spirit. There was conflict between Abimelech and the sons 0:33:27.990 --> 0:33:32.510 of Shechem. They treated Abimelech deceitfully, so that the crime 0:33:32.510 --> 0:33:37.910 against the 20 sons of Jerubbaal might come to justice, 0:33:38.150 --> 0:33:41.510 and their blood would be avenged on their brother Abimelech, 0:33:41.750 --> 0:33:44.830 who killed them. And so what God did is he 0:33:44.870 --> 0:33:49.510 sovereignly allowed that evil spirit to create this conflict, so 0:33:49.510 --> 0:33:54.630 that Abimelech might be brought to justice. So, uh, it's 0:33:54.670 --> 0:33:58.870 even the devil is God's devil. He, uh. Nothing can 0:33:58.990 --> 0:34:03.750 the enemy can do without God's permission to accomplish it. 0:34:04.070 --> 0:34:07.070 So that's that's what I would say the answer to 0:34:07.110 --> 0:34:07.670 that is. 0:34:07.710 --> 0:34:11.270 Okay. All right. Thank you for that. Uh, next question 0:34:11.270 --> 0:34:15.620 is from Beth in Pennsylvania. listens to Wgvm and on 0:34:15.620 --> 0:34:19.300 the Moody Radio app, she said she's a kitchen table partner. Yay! 0:34:19.660 --> 0:34:22.380 Because I feel it's important to share and understand God's Word. 0:34:22.380 --> 0:34:24.140 We are blessed to have a godly team such as 0:34:24.140 --> 0:34:26.220 yours to help us deepen our biblical knowledge. 0:34:26.260 --> 0:34:27.660 See, I told you they like the team. 0:34:27.700 --> 0:34:29.580 I know they like the team. So thank you Beth, 0:34:29.580 --> 0:34:32.819 for your support and for being a kitchen table partner. Uh, 0:34:32.820 --> 0:34:35.219 her question comes from a conversation that she had with 0:34:35.219 --> 0:34:39.340 a coworker. She, the coworker, stated that no Christian should 0:34:39.340 --> 0:34:42.660 ever be sick. And if we are, it's because we 0:34:42.700 --> 0:34:47.300 have sinned. Because we are protected through Jesus blood sacrifice 0:34:47.300 --> 0:34:51.540 and our faith. And she uses, uh, James 514 and 0:34:51.540 --> 0:34:55.220 15 for healing if we do get sick, which talks 0:34:55.219 --> 0:34:57.460 about anointing with olive oil in the name of the 0:34:57.460 --> 0:34:59.980 Lord and the prayer of faith will save the sick person, 0:34:59.980 --> 0:35:03.420 and the Lord will restore him to health. If he 0:35:03.420 --> 0:35:08.060 has committed sins, he will be forgiven. Beth, though, says, 0:35:08.460 --> 0:35:12.130 I thought being a Christian only saves us spiritually. Um, 0:35:12.130 --> 0:35:15.170 and wants to know if there's Scripture or a book 0:35:15.170 --> 0:35:17.969 that she can share with her friend. And maybe what 0:35:17.969 --> 0:35:22.410 what is this verse saying? And when Christians get sick. 0:35:22.450 --> 0:35:24.770 James 514 and 15. 0:35:24.890 --> 0:35:32.770 Sure. Um, well, first of all, all sickness is a 0:35:32.770 --> 0:35:37.489 result of sin. It's Adam's sin. Yeah, we live in 0:35:37.489 --> 0:35:43.090 a fallen world. That's why there's germs. That's why, uh, 0:35:43.210 --> 0:35:48.810 there are cells that go crazy and become cancer. And 0:35:49.050 --> 0:35:51.930 because we live in a fallen world and sickness won't 0:35:51.930 --> 0:35:57.170 go away until we are redeemed completely and resurrected. And 0:35:57.170 --> 0:36:04.090 we don't have bodies that are affected by this fallen world. Uh, now, 0:36:04.770 --> 0:36:08.049 as for followers of Jesus, I think it's interesting that 0:36:08.050 --> 0:36:14.720 Paul says in second Timothy 419 he says, I left 0:36:14.719 --> 0:36:19.919 Trophimus sick at Miletus. Now, why would if Paul thought 0:36:19.920 --> 0:36:23.520 everyone should be well and could heal anyone, he wouldn't 0:36:23.520 --> 0:36:28.640 have left Trophimus sick at Miletus. He also tells Timothy, 0:36:28.800 --> 0:36:31.520 take a little wine for your stomach's stomach's sake and 0:36:31.520 --> 0:36:36.560 for your many ailments. Uh, apparently he didn't say Timothy. 0:36:36.560 --> 0:36:40.080 Just pray and you'll be healed. He said, take some 0:36:40.080 --> 0:36:45.000 wine for your stomach's sake. Uh, many people think that 0:36:45.239 --> 0:36:50.000 there was a eyesight problem. The thorn in his flesh 0:36:50.320 --> 0:36:55.840 that Paul had. And in Second Corinthians chapter 12, he 0:36:55.840 --> 0:36:59.000 said that three times he prayed that the Lord would 0:36:59.000 --> 0:37:03.840 remove it. And and God said, my grace is sufficient 0:37:03.840 --> 0:37:11.670 for you. Do you remember what, I think it was 0:37:11.670 --> 0:37:14.750 someone that called Pastor Cole and said that they were 0:37:14.750 --> 0:37:18.350 told that they they shouldn't walk with a cane. I believe. 0:37:18.390 --> 0:37:19.469 I do. Yes. 0:37:19.510 --> 0:37:22.910 What did Pastor Cole, the my the the previous host, 0:37:22.950 --> 0:37:23.830 the previous host. 0:37:23.830 --> 0:37:27.029 Of Open Line said something to the effect of, well, 0:37:27.030 --> 0:37:29.830 you should hit him with the cane and tell them 0:37:29.830 --> 0:37:32.629 it wouldn't hurt if they really believed. 0:37:33.030 --> 0:37:36.030 Yeah. That's it. Which? Which I could never say, but no. 0:37:37.350 --> 0:37:41.350 But I love that answer. Yeah. In James five, it 0:37:41.350 --> 0:37:45.910 seems to me that that's reading way too much into 0:37:45.910 --> 0:37:50.069 this passage. If it indeed is speaking about physical healing, 0:37:50.430 --> 0:37:55.030 which I think is questionable. If it is, it's really 0:37:55.030 --> 0:37:58.830 talking about that it's possible to have a physical illness 0:37:58.830 --> 0:38:01.310 because of sin in our lives, and that when the 0:38:01.310 --> 0:38:05.150 person comes to repentance, not only will they be raised up, 0:38:05.430 --> 0:38:09.630 but that they will also their sins will be forgiven. 0:38:09.630 --> 0:38:12.670 It says in verse 15. Uh, so call for the elders. 0:38:12.670 --> 0:38:14.750 It's not the prayer of faith of the individual who 0:38:14.750 --> 0:38:17.190 is sick, but the prayer of faith of the elders 0:38:17.190 --> 0:38:20.110 will raise him up and his sins will be forgiven. 0:38:20.110 --> 0:38:23.709 So it's a prayer of restoration. Now the the other 0:38:23.710 --> 0:38:25.589 thing is, if you look at the words that are 0:38:25.590 --> 0:38:30.109 used for sickness, they are frequently used for grief or 0:38:30.110 --> 0:38:33.870 emotional sickness, not physical sickness. And this could be a 0:38:33.870 --> 0:38:41.109 sickness of spirit that's being spoken of, not physical ailments 0:38:41.710 --> 0:38:45.710 that that are being healed. And, uh, there's a long 0:38:45.750 --> 0:38:48.150 time ago I read an article, a journal article in 0:38:48.150 --> 0:38:52.190 Bibliotheca Sacra that makes the case for this being, uh, 0:38:52.550 --> 0:38:57.110 sort of like a depressive spiritual emotional sickness. Okay. 0:38:57.150 --> 0:39:00.030 Which I have, you know, experienced prayer can be very 0:39:00.030 --> 0:39:01.950 helpful in those situations. 0:39:01.950 --> 0:39:02.390 Yeah. 0:39:02.710 --> 0:39:04.590 Absolutely necessary. 0:39:05.230 --> 0:39:07.379 Yeah. Now, what I think is most interesting is people 0:39:07.380 --> 0:39:11.700 will say it's the person who prays who's sick, that 0:39:11.700 --> 0:39:14.700 that person is the reason that they didn't have enough faith, 0:39:14.940 --> 0:39:17.780 that that's why they won't be raised up. But this passage, 0:39:17.780 --> 0:39:20.779 when you say he calls for the elders and it's 0:39:20.780 --> 0:39:24.460 the prayer of faith by the elders, not of the. 0:39:24.460 --> 0:39:25.620 One who is sick. 0:39:26.060 --> 0:39:28.819 Yeah, I think that's interesting. So let's blame the elders. 0:39:28.860 --> 0:39:29.100 Yeah. 0:39:29.140 --> 0:39:31.420 So but we're going to go to break here. Thank you. 0:39:31.420 --> 0:39:35.140 That was Tricia McMillan and her son Duncan, her associate producer. 0:39:35.180 --> 0:39:37.900 My name is Michael Wright. We'll be right back with 0:39:37.900 --> 0:39:42.580 more of your questions right here on Open Line. Stay 0:39:42.580 --> 0:40:05.969 with us. Welcome back to Open lines. So glad to 0:40:05.969 --> 0:40:09.690 be with you today. Uh, my name is Michael Riedel 0:40:09.969 --> 0:40:12.890 and had a great time studying the Bible with you today. 0:40:13.410 --> 0:40:15.930 I do want to mention that I'm sure you know 0:40:15.969 --> 0:40:18.529 Israel is in a war. It's not a war that 0:40:18.530 --> 0:40:22.170 Israel wanted. It's not a war that Israel sought. The 0:40:22.170 --> 0:40:24.730 nation didn't start it. They didn't want it. They didn't 0:40:24.770 --> 0:40:28.690 anticipate it. It came as a result of the terrible 0:40:28.730 --> 0:40:33.210 October 7th attack by Hamas, when they murdered more than 0:40:33.210 --> 0:40:37.250 1200 Jewish people on one day, more than any other 0:40:37.250 --> 0:40:41.210 people since any other Jewish people since the Holocaust. Uh, 0:40:41.489 --> 0:40:46.730 they captured 251 people, and Israel is been torn up 0:40:46.730 --> 0:40:51.770 now after 600 days. Um, 600 days of war. It 0:40:51.770 --> 0:40:57.330 is really, uh, very, very stressful in Israel. 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Um, my question is 0:42:08.920 --> 0:42:11.399 I go to a Bible study and I just kind 0:42:11.440 --> 0:42:13.719 of listen in at work once a week, and it's 0:42:13.719 --> 0:42:16.600 not my main Bible study, but there was a person 0:42:16.600 --> 0:42:20.040 in the Bible study, and he was referencing Second Corinthians 0:42:20.040 --> 0:42:24.520 517 that to be born again in Christ and to 0:42:24.520 --> 0:42:27.719 be saved, you must know the minute it happened, how 0:42:27.719 --> 0:42:30.720 it happened, the time the scripture you were reading and 0:42:30.719 --> 0:42:33.799 if it happened suddenly, and if it doesn't happen suddenly, 0:42:33.800 --> 0:42:39.400 then you're not saved. And so I wanted your take 0:42:39.400 --> 0:42:43.280 on that because I don't believe that myself. But, um, 0:42:43.680 --> 0:42:46.520 I'm hoping other people in the Bible study are listening, 0:42:46.520 --> 0:42:49.919 because I think that's kind of dangerous. But what what 0:42:49.920 --> 0:42:52.720 is your explanation of it or what is your opinion 0:42:52.760 --> 0:42:53.360 of that? 0:42:54.040 --> 0:42:58.160 Well, I think that people are born again suddenly, uh, 0:42:58.560 --> 0:43:01.950 in an instant, in a crisis, but they may not 0:43:01.950 --> 0:43:03.629 necessarily be aware of it. 0:43:04.670 --> 0:43:05.150 Okay. 0:43:06.070 --> 0:43:08.230 They might be able later on to look back. Oh yeah, 0:43:08.230 --> 0:43:10.630 that would be but it might be unclear to them. 0:43:11.190 --> 0:43:14.629 I remember a trip I took back when I was 0:43:14.630 --> 0:43:16.469 in college. A whole bunch of us were driving to 0:43:16.510 --> 0:43:20.830 the East Coast and it was my car, but I 0:43:20.830 --> 0:43:24.509 was tired. We left right after school, so we left 0:43:24.510 --> 0:43:26.950 in the late afternoon and it's a long trip. It 0:43:26.950 --> 0:43:30.950 was about 16 hours. And so I took a nap. 0:43:30.950 --> 0:43:33.710 Someone else was driving, and then I woke up and 0:43:33.710 --> 0:43:37.830 I said, have we passed Stroudsburg yet? That's a town 0:43:37.830 --> 0:43:41.750 in Pennsylvania. And they said, oh, yeah, we're long past it. 0:43:42.110 --> 0:43:44.870 And Stroudsburg was where I was supposed to get up 0:43:45.230 --> 0:43:49.109 and drive again, but I'd I'd slept through it and 0:43:49.110 --> 0:43:52.149 they let me do it. Well, I think that's how 0:43:52.150 --> 0:43:55.550 sometimes people come into the kingdom of God that, you know, 0:43:55.590 --> 0:43:58.989 if Stroudsburg is where they were supposed to enter, they 0:43:58.989 --> 0:44:02.220 may be unaware and pass through it, and they've entered 0:44:02.219 --> 0:44:06.420 the kingdom of God without realizing it. And I think it's. 0:44:07.060 --> 0:44:09.180 And then they say, well, how come they're all things 0:44:09.180 --> 0:44:12.460 have become new? Well, it takes time. Things. The capability 0:44:12.500 --> 0:44:18.379 for transformation happens immediately, but people don't come out mature instantaneously. 0:44:18.500 --> 0:44:21.500 It's really hard to tell the difference between an immature 0:44:21.540 --> 0:44:25.420 believer and a brand new baby believer. Right. It takes 0:44:25.420 --> 0:44:28.100 time to grow in the faith. And so I think 0:44:28.100 --> 0:44:33.100 that's that's why people may not always be aware of 0:44:33.100 --> 0:44:35.940 when they put their trust in Jesus. Okay. 0:44:36.980 --> 0:44:39.540 Okay. Thank you. No, that's what I thought. And I 0:44:39.540 --> 0:44:42.620 believe that. But I just wanted to make sure, um, 0:44:42.820 --> 0:44:45.100 that I'm hoping other people are listening because a lot 0:44:45.140 --> 0:44:49.060 of people were really discouraged, and I found that that sad. 0:44:49.100 --> 0:44:52.140 So, you know, I always tell people, uh, it doesn't 0:44:52.140 --> 0:44:54.820 matter if you could write down the date and time. 0:44:54.820 --> 0:44:58.060 I'll tell you what matters. Who are you trusting right 0:44:58.170 --> 0:45:02.529 now to to be forgiven of your sins. Are you 0:45:02.530 --> 0:45:06.130 trusting that Jesus died for your sins and rose again? Uh, 0:45:06.210 --> 0:45:09.930 and you're following him? And if if that's the case, 0:45:10.690 --> 0:45:14.290 then you're you're related to him. You've become God's child. 0:45:14.570 --> 0:45:18.129 And and it doesn't matter if you can't specify the 0:45:18.130 --> 0:45:22.690 time or moment. Rather, uh, it's important that right now, 0:45:22.690 --> 0:45:25.650 you know who you're trusting. And if you're listening and 0:45:25.650 --> 0:45:27.850 you think, I don't know if I've ever made that 0:45:27.850 --> 0:45:32.170 decision to put my trust in Jesus. Hey. Don't wait. 0:45:32.210 --> 0:45:35.489 Now's the time to do it. Respond to that call 0:45:35.730 --> 0:45:37.969 of the Lord Jesus when he says, put my. Put 0:45:37.969 --> 0:45:41.730 your trust in me. Follow me. Uh. And and then 0:45:41.730 --> 0:45:45.810 he'll transform our lives. Well, thank you for your call, Donna. 0:45:45.850 --> 0:45:46.490 Thank you. 0:45:47.170 --> 0:45:49.930 Thanks for everyone who listened. That's the program for the week. 0:45:50.210 --> 0:45:52.690 I can't believe it's gone by so quickly. Thanks for 0:45:52.690 --> 0:45:56.450 everyone who called or wrote. Uh. Appreciate it. 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