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S6: I just want to tell you what a joy. Over

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S6: sometimes we can think remnant means weak, but the remnant

446
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S6: has always been strong, even though we are not the majority.

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S6: And that's clearly the case today. A statistic from George

448
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S6: Barna that says 4% of North American Christians have a

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S6: Christian worldview and intend to order their private and public

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S6: lives around it. But the remnant, I think we've interpreted it, oh, boy,

451
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S6: we're going to be weak. We're going to have a

452
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S6: bunker mentality. But the remnant has always been strong, has

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S6: it not? Wayne.

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S9: I agree with you. I don't think we've seen the

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S9: release yet of the amazing power of the Holy Spirit

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S9: to bring about change in people's hearts and to bring

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S9: them from sin and rebellion against God into submission to

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S9: him and trusting in Christ as their Savior. With working

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S9: of miracles and the incredible power of God's Word to

460
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S9: change people's hearts, we see a measure of that, but

461
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S9: not yet the fullness of what could come about. If

462
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S9: the Holy Spirit is pleased to release the fullness of

463
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S9: his power in our preaching and in our prayers.

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S6: As we see the end approaching, Wayne, what can we

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S6: do as genuinely transformed children of God to invite the

466
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S6: power of the spirit to manifest his presence among us

467
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S6: more and more? What can we do?

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S9: Oh boy. Carl, what a question. Isn't that what's on

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S9: our on our hearts each day? So I've been convinced

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S9: lately in my own life that it's a question of

471
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S9: believing what God's Word says about the power of the

472
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S9: Holy Spirit to change people's lives. The power of Jesus

473
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S9: to answer prayer. We sometimes become so accustomed to living

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S9: in this world without thinking very much of Christ's presence

475
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S9: in us and his power working through us. But we

476
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S9: could do more of that. And I think we need

477
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S9: God's power and persuasive work in our hearts to be

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S9: able to trust him more. Because so much of answers

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S9: to prayer depends on our faith.

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S6: Wayne, one of the things that the Lord's done in

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S6: me since years ago when I first met you, and

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S6: I think it's been building over the last 5 to

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S6: 8 years, I almost get choked up thinking about it.

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S6: I'm reminded of Andrew Murray, who says in his book humility.

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S6: Humility is the one virtue that gives birth to every

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S6: other virtue. Boy, the Lord's been really working on me

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S6: in that. The amazing thing about humility versus pride, it's

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S6: a choice that we can make every day. It's not

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S6: a spiritual gift. It's a choice that we can make.

490
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S6: How central is humility to the working of the spirit?

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S9: Carl, let me tell you something remarkable. Margaret and I

492
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S9: are in a small group that meets every other week

493
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S9: and Sunday afternoon to read the Bible together and pray together.

494
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S9: Sing together. And for the last month, we've been working

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S9: through the book by Andrew Murray called humility. Just the

496
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S9: exact book that you mentioned. Yeah, it's convicting to all

497
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S9: of us because he says that we have to give

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S9: up a sense of reliance on ourselves and admit to

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S9: Christ that there's nothing in us to be able to

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S9: bring about the results of the kingdom that we want.

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S9: And yet we have to yield ourselves to Christ and

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S9: tell him that it's all by his power, and not

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S9: by any of our merit, that we can see the

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S9: kingdom advanced and the kingdom built up, and people come

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S9: to Christ and grow in him.

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S6: That's beautiful. Wayne Grudem, my guest. Wayne, I want to

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S6: jump right into some end times. You have a different

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S6: view from some theologians, and I don't think this in

509
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S6: any way breaks fellowship between what we classically know as

510
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S6: dispensational theology versus covenant theology. Explain what your take is

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S6: on the tribulation and whether or not saints of God

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S6: will even go through that.

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S9: Jesus predicts a great tribulation, a period of suffering that

514
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S9: in which many will fall away. And we've called that

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S9: the Great tribulation that is yet to come. I think

516
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S9: it is yet coming to the earth. Carl, I don't

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S9: think we've seen yet the extent of the suffering that

518
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S9: Jesus predicts, but I'm not sure that I'm right. If

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S9: Jesus would return today, which I believe he could, you

520
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S9: and I might say, well, wait a minute. We didn't

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S9: go through the tribulation. Well, we haven't we haven't suffered

522
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S9: that way. But the Christians in North Korea, in Iran,

523
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S9: in China, in a number of Muslim dominated nations in Africa,

524
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S9: if we say to them, the tribulation hasn't yet occurred,

525
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S9: they say, what do you mean?

526
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S6: You're right about that. You're right.

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S9: We're going through it. We've been living through it for

528
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S9: the last 15 years, 20 years.

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S6: You know, one of the questions about the tribulation is wrath.

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S6: And the interesting thing is that God has spared saints

531
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S6: from wrath. At least two occasions that I can think of.

532
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S6: I think of Noah and I think of lot. So

533
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S6: it's not beyond God to spare saints the wrath of God,

534
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S6: even in the midst of it being inflicted on a

535
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S6: broader whole of people. Any thoughts on that, Wayne?

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S9: Well, I think you're right. We don't have to think

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S9: that every single Christian in every nation of the world

538
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S9: will go through the same amount of suffering and tribulation,

539
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S9: but many will. And, uh, if it happens to be us,

540
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S9: then we have to trust God that he will sustain

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S9: us through the difficult times. And I think, be even

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S9: closer to us in our knowledge of his presence in

543
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S9: our hearts and his presence with us in our circumstances.

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S6: When we think of end times, you've studied the scriptures

545
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S6: so thoroughly, and one of the things that I appreciate

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S6: about your theology is that you present usually more than

547
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S6: just two sides of an issue, often oftentimes 3 or

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S6: 4 different positions on any given text. And I love

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S6: that about you. But when you look at the battle

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S6: of Gog and Magog, for instance, that's going to be

551
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S6: the great battle before Armageddon. Where do you put that

552
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S6: on your timeline? And is there anything currently going on

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S6: in the Middle East that causes you to say, boy,

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S6: the end could be near?

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S9: It's been several years since I've looked at the Gog

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S9: and Magog passages, but it is interesting that some of

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S9: the forces come from the north of Israel. And I

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S9: looked at a world map once and looked at Jerusalem

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S9: and traced the globe north from Jerusalem. It goes through

560
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S9: a lot of unpopulated areas. The first major city you

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S9: come to, going directly north from Jerusalem is Moscow. And

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S9: so I am wondering if yet the evil rulers of

563
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S9: Russia will not have a role in the forces of

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S9: evil gathered against God's people. I don't know about that,

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S9: but it's interesting to speculate. Yeah, I think all of

566
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S9: these things, Carl, they should cause us to think, wow,

567
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S9: Jesus could return. I believe he could return today. And, uh,

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S9: a couple of times in my life, I have been

569
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S9: awakened in the middle of the night with a loud

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S9: thunderclap where I thought, Is Jesus coming back right now?

571
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S9: And it wasn't true, but that expectation should be in

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S9: all of our hearts and minds.

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S6: Yes, speak to that expectation because I think a lot

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S6: of people look at what's going on in Iran, and

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S6: we see stock markets that are have a lot of fear.

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S6: There's a fear index for stocks that is peaked right now. There's, um,

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S6: a lot of uncertainty for a disciple of Christ. Wayne,

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S6: isn't this a moment of expectation rather than fear?

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S9: Yes. And I think I'd like it to be a

580
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S9: moment of obedience rather than panic, obedience and trust. Reading

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S9: Scripture and seeing its ministry to calm our hearts and, um,

582
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S9: making sure that the responsibilities that God has given us

583
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S9: in our ministry to friends, neighbors, family members, church, that

584
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S9: we're being faithful to him so that when he comes,

585
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S9: we won't be embarrassed. But the things that have needed

586
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S9: to be taken care of, the broken relationships that have

587
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S9: been mended, the wrongs that we've done to others we've

588
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S9: asked forgiveness for so that we will not be ashamed

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S9: but rejoice at his coming.

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S6: Wayne, give us your thoughts about AI and end times.

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S6: What has God got in your mind today?

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S9: Well, Carl, last night I went to ChatGPT and asked

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S9: this question. What would Wayne Grudem say about the role

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S9: of artificial intelligence in the End times?

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S6: What did he what did they tell you? Wayne would say.

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S9: In 10s I got back three printed pages that says

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S9: Wayne Grudem has not written any major published work, especially

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S9: about artificial intelligence in the end times. so there's no

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S9: direct answer. But based on his theology and his published writings,

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S9: here's an estimate of what he would say. And it

601
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S9: was remarkably accurate. This is something I have not written

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S9: anything about. And it said God generally sees technology as

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S9: morally neutral. That's right, I do. Can be used for

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S9: good or for evil. He believes the end times will

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S9: involve increased global power and deception. That's true, I do.

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S9: I look for a future Antichrist, not look for eagerly,

607
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S9: but expect a future Antichrist and global political authority and

608
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S9: widespread deception and persecution of believers. That's true. And then

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S9: it said he would likely stress human responsibility, not technological determinism. Yes,

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S9: it's our choices for good and evil. And then it

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S9: gives a summary of my teaching, of my future view

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S9: that I have not said anything about publicly. This is

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S9: what they say Gruden would say. The Bible does not

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S9: tell us what technology will exist in the last days,

615
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S9: but it does tell us that there will be increasing

616
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S9: deception and centralized power. Artificial intelligence could be used for

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S9: either good or evil purposes, depending on the moral choices

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S9: of human beings. Christians should not assume that new technologies

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S9: are in themselves signs of the end, but they should

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S9: be aware that any powerful technology could be used in

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S9: ways that oppose God's purposes. Carl. That's what I would say.

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S6: To accurately pin down Doctor Wayne Grudem.

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S9: And something I have not said anything about, but predicted

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S9: what I would think in 10s it did that.

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S6: Wayne Grudem is my guest right now. Doctor Wayne Grudem,

626
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S6: and he's been an amazing contributor for a number of years.

627
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S6: To Disciples of Christ, walking forward in the power of

628
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S6: the spirit. Wayne, I want to give you a final

629
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S6: word here with regard to end times. Uh, you've walked

630
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S6: with Jesus for a number of years. You've stumbled. You've

631
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S6: got some sacred scars, I'm sure, to prove that you

632
00:32:53,520 --> 00:32:57,620
S6: are anything but perfect. But what would your appeal be

633
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S6: to those listening today as they see the end drawing

634
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S6: what appears to be nearer still? What's on your heart, Wayne?

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S9: Well, I think I would encourage believers who are listening

636
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S9: to this broadcast to be sure you walk with the

637
00:33:11,740 --> 00:33:15,620
S9: Lord is firm and regular and strong, that you're taking

638
00:33:15,660 --> 00:33:19,860
S9: time for reading His word and prayer each day. That

639
00:33:20,380 --> 00:33:24,420
S9: when he is stirring up your conscience regarding something that

640
00:33:24,420 --> 00:33:26,660
S9: isn't quite right in your life, that you'll listen and

641
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S9: not brush it aside. That you ask forgiveness for any

642
00:33:30,660 --> 00:33:34,100
S9: known sin. When you sense his call to you to

643
00:33:34,140 --> 00:33:36,580
S9: visit a friend, to make a phone call, to send

644
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S9: an email that you obey his prompting and stay in

645
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S9: fellowship with other believers in times of worship and times

646
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S9: of prayer. It's just a matter of living the Christian life.

647
00:33:47,620 --> 00:33:53,380
S9: No special secret for even theology professors. It's. It's just

648
00:33:53,620 --> 00:33:55,770
S9: get up in the morning and read his word and

649
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S9: pray and then go through the day. I think we

650
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S9: all could grow in sensitivity to the leading of the

651
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S9: Holy Spirit in our daily lives, and in boldness in

652
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S9: initiating conversations where we can talk about Jesus with the

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S9: people we're in contact with.

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S6: You know, it's interesting, the older I get Wayne, the

655
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S6: more it's the small, simple things that give me great

656
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S6: joy in the Lord with him. I rise early now

657
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S6: in the mornings, and I pray the last two verses

658
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S6: of Psalm 139 every morning search me, O God, and

659
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S6: know my heart. Try me and know my ways. See

660
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S6: if there'd be any hurtful way in me. And lead

661
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S6: me in the way everlasting. You know, Wayne, it's that

662
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S6: little cup of coffee with God that is so rich

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S6: for me now. What do you find? Riches of Christ

664
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S6: Jesus in in the little things right now? What gives

665
00:34:45,450 --> 00:34:48,049
S6: you and Margaret your bride of, oh, a number of

666
00:34:48,050 --> 00:34:50,290
S6: years now, what gives you great joy?

667
00:34:51,250 --> 00:34:56,430
S9: You know, it's It's watching grandchildren learn Bible verses, watching

668
00:34:56,550 --> 00:35:00,590
S9: our son and daughter in law discipline their grandchildren and

669
00:35:00,590 --> 00:35:04,549
S9: teach them. And watching them grow in their imitation of

670
00:35:04,590 --> 00:35:07,109
S9: the attributes of God, even though they're not aware that

671
00:35:07,110 --> 00:35:11,270
S9: they're doing that. Just seeing that unfold in our grandchildren's lives.

672
00:35:11,710 --> 00:35:14,870
S6: It's tremendous. Doctor Wayne Grudem has been our guest this morning,

673
00:35:14,870 --> 00:35:18,390
S6: and I want you to know that not only has

674
00:35:18,390 --> 00:35:22,110
S6: he left 30 books, not least of which is systematic theology.

675
00:35:22,110 --> 00:35:25,990
S6: And if you're looking for a good theology that represents

676
00:35:26,030 --> 00:35:30,430
S6: a lot of different positions on myriad central passages, you

677
00:35:30,430 --> 00:35:34,790
S6: want to grab systematic theology. It's a great gift. And

678
00:35:34,830 --> 00:35:37,390
S6: I have a landing page for you. All you have

679
00:35:37,390 --> 00:35:42,710
S6: to do is text the word Wayne to (800) 555-7898. We've

680
00:35:42,710 --> 00:35:45,630
S6: got a website there with all these resources and more.

681
00:35:45,910 --> 00:35:53,650
S6: Text the word Wayne to 805 Five 7898 waned to

682
00:35:53,690 --> 00:35:58,009
S6: 800 555 7898.

683
00:35:58,410 --> 00:36:01,130
S1: It's Carl and crew on Moody Radio.

684
00:36:02,969 --> 00:36:04,850
S6: And look it up. Didn't know this one.

685
00:36:05,210 --> 00:36:06,089
S2: What'd you have to look up?

686
00:36:06,130 --> 00:36:06,570
S3: Yeah.

687
00:36:06,810 --> 00:36:11,690
S6: What was Jesus doing 2000 years ago this week? I'd forgotten.

688
00:36:12,610 --> 00:36:17,690
S6: Healing of Bartimaeus was one that really ensconced his claim

689
00:36:17,690 --> 00:36:21,330
S6: to Messiahship. But he was traveling toward Jerusalem. He was

690
00:36:21,330 --> 00:36:21,810
S6: going to his.

691
00:36:21,810 --> 00:36:21,969
S3: Death.

692
00:36:22,210 --> 00:36:22,410
S2: On the.

693
00:36:22,410 --> 00:36:27,250
S6: Way. Yeah. And this time he was he was predicting

694
00:36:27,250 --> 00:36:29,450
S6: that he was going to die, and he was laying

695
00:36:29,450 --> 00:36:36,290
S6: it out for the disciples. But my goodness, I know

696
00:36:36,290 --> 00:36:40,930
S6: fully God and fully man. But when you're walking to

697
00:36:40,969 --> 00:36:44,810
S6: the city, that's going to kill you. I'm sorry, man.

698
00:36:46,130 --> 00:36:50,910
S2: It's it's pretty crazy when you think about it that way,

699
00:36:51,030 --> 00:36:55,350
S2: because no one made him go to the city. You know,

700
00:36:55,390 --> 00:36:58,029
S2: it's not like he was being led there. I mean,

701
00:36:58,070 --> 00:37:00,629
S2: he was being led there by the Holy Spirit, obviously.

702
00:37:00,630 --> 00:37:02,870
S6: But then he asks the father if you could take

703
00:37:02,870 --> 00:37:04,230
S6: this gig from me.

704
00:37:04,230 --> 00:37:08,029
S2: Yeah, absolutely. But he had to make a journey to

705
00:37:08,070 --> 00:37:10,830
S2: Jerusalem the whole time, knowing exactly what's going to happen

706
00:37:10,830 --> 00:37:11,630
S2: when he gets there.

707
00:37:11,670 --> 00:37:12,430
S6: Yeah he did.

708
00:37:13,110 --> 00:37:14,470
S2: It's a hard thing to sign up for.

709
00:37:14,950 --> 00:37:18,549
S6: So it's it's really interesting this time of year is

710
00:37:18,550 --> 00:37:22,590
S6: when everybody shuffles the deck. This is it, man.

711
00:37:22,830 --> 00:37:23,709
S3: Shuffles the deck.

712
00:37:23,750 --> 00:37:28,030
S6: Oh, yeah. Cars. Cars get sold. Cars get upgraded. Homes

713
00:37:28,030 --> 00:37:29,110
S6: go on the market.

714
00:37:29,350 --> 00:37:30,070
S3: Oh, okay.

715
00:37:30,110 --> 00:37:36,190
S6: Inventory rises, inventory declines. People are fired up because they're like, wow,

716
00:37:37,350 --> 00:37:41,190
S6: this is great. I can sell my home for this.

717
00:37:41,190 --> 00:37:45,149
S6: And then they realize to buy another one, it costs that.

718
00:37:45,190 --> 00:37:45,549
S3: Uh oh.

719
00:37:45,830 --> 00:37:47,890
S6: They all went up, Not just mine.

720
00:37:47,930 --> 00:37:48,810
S2: It's a bummer that way.

721
00:37:49,170 --> 00:37:53,250
S6: Isn't it funny? Mark gets an interesting thing. You know, it's.

722
00:37:53,969 --> 00:37:57,650
S6: We're talking a lot here about end times. I mean,

723
00:37:57,690 --> 00:38:01,250
S6: we're going after it today, aren't we? I'm talking. Going after.

724
00:38:01,290 --> 00:38:02,009
S3: It. Yeah. This is a.

725
00:38:02,050 --> 00:38:03,530
S6: Great journey in Wayne.

726
00:38:03,570 --> 00:38:05,130
S3: Oh, yeah. The door.

727
00:38:06,410 --> 00:38:14,330
S6: But you know, as we think about the end, there's

728
00:38:14,330 --> 00:38:19,050
S6: a lot of questions that we have for sure. But

729
00:38:19,050 --> 00:38:24,089
S6: one of them ought to be. Not what am I

730
00:38:24,130 --> 00:38:26,650
S6: going to do? But why am I going to do that?

731
00:38:26,890 --> 00:38:29,450
S6: Let me explain what I mean. And by the way,

732
00:38:29,450 --> 00:38:33,330
S6: I'm big on this Y thing. Ever since I saw

733
00:38:33,370 --> 00:38:37,450
S6: Simon Sinek in his Ted talk. I'm like, oh boy,

734
00:38:37,489 --> 00:38:40,489
S6: that's the best thing ever. It's not the how. It's

735
00:38:40,489 --> 00:38:43,490
S6: not the what. It's the why that people are buying.

736
00:38:43,530 --> 00:38:46,630
S6: That's his contention in that incredible Ted talk that I

737
00:38:46,630 --> 00:38:49,270
S6: don't know, has, I don't know, 40 million or way

738
00:38:49,270 --> 00:38:54,550
S6: more than that views. And it's, um, it's interesting because

739
00:38:54,550 --> 00:38:56,750
S6: if you can't answer the why, why go after the

740
00:38:56,790 --> 00:38:59,589
S6: what and the how? See, part of the reason that

741
00:38:59,590 --> 00:39:01,589
S6: we've got a lot of kids that have left the

742
00:39:01,590 --> 00:39:03,549
S6: church is they were told the what and the how,

743
00:39:03,550 --> 00:39:06,270
S6: but they were never told the why or if they were,

744
00:39:06,270 --> 00:39:07,550
S6: it wasn't really explained.

745
00:39:07,590 --> 00:39:07,990
S3: Sure.

746
00:39:08,030 --> 00:39:09,030
S6: You know what I mean guys?

747
00:39:09,150 --> 00:39:10,790
S5: Yeah, that was me. I was like, okay.

748
00:39:10,830 --> 00:39:12,390
S2: Just go and do it. Don't ask questions.

749
00:39:12,510 --> 00:39:14,870
S5: I sat there on the end table, but we didn't

750
00:39:14,870 --> 00:39:15,310
S5: open it.

751
00:39:15,350 --> 00:39:15,989
S3: Right.

752
00:39:16,630 --> 00:39:21,109
S6: And, and you know, the problem is, and by the way,

753
00:39:21,150 --> 00:39:23,589
S6: don't beat yourself up parents because you're like, yeah, I

754
00:39:23,590 --> 00:39:26,109
S6: told them, this is how we go. This is what

755
00:39:26,110 --> 00:39:30,149
S6: we do. This is. But a lot of people have

756
00:39:30,150 --> 00:39:32,670
S6: neglected to talk about the why. So don't beat yourself

757
00:39:32,670 --> 00:39:36,230
S6: up about that. But a lot of kids walked away

758
00:39:36,230 --> 00:39:39,069
S6: from the church because the why wasn't compelling or they

759
00:39:39,070 --> 00:39:43,650
S6: never heard it. And when all you do is because

760
00:39:43,650 --> 00:39:45,650
S6: of the what and the how. That ain't going to

761
00:39:45,650 --> 00:39:46,130
S6: cut it.

762
00:39:47,010 --> 00:39:50,090
S2: It doesn't have staying power. If it does start that way, it'll.

763
00:39:50,130 --> 00:39:51,690
S2: I mean, it it peters out.

764
00:39:51,730 --> 00:39:56,609
S6: Yeah it does. So in this next few minutes, I

765
00:39:56,610 --> 00:40:04,250
S6: want to answer a question. How do I make decisions

766
00:40:04,250 --> 00:40:09,650
S6: with my life that are going to guide where I live?

767
00:40:11,090 --> 00:40:15,410
S6: What kind of house I buy? What kind of job

768
00:40:15,410 --> 00:40:21,050
S6: I take when I leave a job. I'm talking. Yeah.

769
00:40:21,050 --> 00:40:25,290
S6: All that. Because if you're not careful, the what and

770
00:40:25,290 --> 00:40:28,090
S6: the how without the why can lead you into something

771
00:40:28,090 --> 00:40:31,609
S6: that God doesn't even want for you. He doesn't even

772
00:40:31,610 --> 00:40:36,049
S6: want it. It's not his will for your life. You're like,

773
00:40:36,050 --> 00:40:38,170
S6: oh boy, this might be good because it's spring and

774
00:40:38,170 --> 00:40:41,870
S6: our house is going on the market or whatever. So

775
00:40:41,910 --> 00:40:45,430
S6: here's the cool thing about God's Word and a couple

776
00:40:45,469 --> 00:40:49,270
S6: of places you can just determine, oh, this is the

777
00:40:49,270 --> 00:40:53,190
S6: will of God for my life. Can it direct things like.

778
00:40:55,390 --> 00:40:57,590
S6: When I sell a house, when I buy a house

779
00:40:57,590 --> 00:41:00,950
S6: where I do it, what job? I take it all. Yes.

780
00:41:00,950 --> 00:41:03,910
S6: If we don't have an integrated faith, what are we doing?

781
00:41:04,590 --> 00:41:05,790
S6: I mean, think about that.

782
00:41:06,150 --> 00:41:08,629
S2: Right? We want Jesus to be a part of every

783
00:41:08,670 --> 00:41:11,870
S2: aspect of our life, not just the the moments that

784
00:41:11,870 --> 00:41:14,950
S2: are in church or around a small group. We want

785
00:41:14,989 --> 00:41:17,029
S2: him here with us all day, every day.

786
00:41:17,070 --> 00:41:17,390
S3: Yeah.

787
00:41:17,630 --> 00:41:20,950
S6: Even in the small group, you get asked the question why?

788
00:41:20,989 --> 00:41:22,270
S2: Yeah, 100%.

789
00:41:22,310 --> 00:41:26,550
S6: I mean, every question, every decision you're making has to go.

790
00:41:26,590 --> 00:41:29,709
S6: I mean, you almost need to be to God like

791
00:41:29,710 --> 00:41:32,350
S6: your kid was to you when he was five. Why

792
00:41:32,910 --> 00:41:36,830
S6: why why why, mom?

793
00:41:37,350 --> 00:41:37,589
S3: Oh.

794
00:41:38,230 --> 00:41:40,129
S6: But it's it's a good one to ask and we're

795
00:41:40,130 --> 00:41:41,170
S6: going to deal with it.

796
00:41:41,210 --> 00:41:45,010
S1: He was running from God, but God's love brought him home.

797
00:41:45,250 --> 00:41:49,090
S1: Carl is in the crew. It's Carl and crew on

798
00:41:49,130 --> 00:41:50,170
S1: Moody Radio.

799
00:41:51,610 --> 00:41:53,570
S6: If you look for the will of God, you can

800
00:41:53,570 --> 00:41:58,650
S6: find it distinctly three times in the New Testament. You

801
00:41:58,650 --> 00:42:01,930
S6: want them? I got it for you. First is this

802
00:42:01,969 --> 00:42:06,290
S6: it is God's will that people believe in the son

803
00:42:06,290 --> 00:42:09,930
S6: and have eternal life. How awesome is that? That is

804
00:42:09,930 --> 00:42:15,529
S6: God's will for our life. That you would believe that

805
00:42:15,530 --> 00:42:17,770
S6: Jesus is the Son of God and have eternal life.

806
00:42:18,010 --> 00:42:23,649
S6: That's just awesome. Another one is that you would give

807
00:42:23,650 --> 00:42:30,370
S6: thanks in all circumstances. This is God's will. First Thessalonians

808
00:42:30,370 --> 00:42:35,330
S6: 513 and in first Thessalonians, if you back up a

809
00:42:35,330 --> 00:42:38,230
S6: little bit, you find this big umbrella for the will

810
00:42:38,270 --> 00:42:40,670
S6: of God. That is something that I use all the time.

811
00:42:40,710 --> 00:42:44,149
S6: First Thessalonians chapter four, verse three. This is the will

812
00:42:44,190 --> 00:42:52,430
S6: of God, your sanctification. Oftentimes we have this bifurcated or

813
00:42:52,430 --> 00:42:56,550
S6: quad furcated life. We've got this. We got this faith. Carl,

814
00:42:56,590 --> 00:42:58,990
S6: I'm going to put myself here. We got this Carl

815
00:42:58,989 --> 00:43:01,910
S6: that's got this faith component. I put my faith in Jesus.

816
00:43:02,430 --> 00:43:06,310
S6: The tendency can be to think, then we've got this.

817
00:43:06,310 --> 00:43:09,470
S6: And that kind of revolves around church and quiet time

818
00:43:09,469 --> 00:43:12,069
S6: and all that. And then we've got this. We got

819
00:43:12,070 --> 00:43:15,549
S6: this job, Carl, and you got this family, Carl, and

820
00:43:15,550 --> 00:43:22,310
S6: you got this hobbies, Carl. And you got all that. No, no, no, really, boy,

821
00:43:23,110 --> 00:43:28,230
S6: if you could paint a picture, rather than even having

822
00:43:28,230 --> 00:43:31,750
S6: a hierarchical list of what comes first, second, third, fourth,

823
00:43:31,750 --> 00:43:36,049
S6: fifth in your life, which is usually ranks out this way.

824
00:43:36,090 --> 00:43:39,130
S6: God and then family and then work. And then you

825
00:43:39,170 --> 00:43:42,450
S6: go down the list. Really? You should look at it

826
00:43:42,450 --> 00:43:47,650
S6: almost like a dartboard. Where in the center. Is God

827
00:43:47,650 --> 00:43:50,810
S6: in the center? And then he works out through all

828
00:43:50,850 --> 00:43:54,650
S6: those little pie charts, right? All those little pies right

829
00:43:55,010 --> 00:43:57,410
S6: where it's got at the center. And if God's at

830
00:43:57,410 --> 00:43:59,930
S6: the center. This is the will of God, number one,

831
00:43:59,930 --> 00:44:03,450
S6: that you know him. Number two, that you give thanks

832
00:44:03,450 --> 00:44:07,210
S6: in all circumstances. But this is the big one. Your

833
00:44:07,370 --> 00:44:14,650
S6: sanctification and your sanctification is not bifurcated from your work.

834
00:44:14,650 --> 00:44:20,129
S6: It's not bifurcated from your play. It's sanctification permeates every

835
00:44:20,170 --> 00:44:23,529
S6: aspect of our life. This is a big deal. This

836
00:44:23,530 --> 00:44:29,610
S6: is a big deal. And it's as practical as a

837
00:44:29,650 --> 00:44:33,009
S6: young man at our downtown campus here at 180 Chicago.

838
00:44:33,830 --> 00:44:36,470
S6: and he had a big decision coming up and he

839
00:44:36,510 --> 00:44:38,910
S6: made an appointment. We got on the horn together and

840
00:44:38,910 --> 00:44:41,790
S6: talked and he had a big decision. And what's great

841
00:44:41,790 --> 00:44:43,870
S6: is I can go back to the Word of God.

842
00:44:43,870 --> 00:44:46,350
S6: I'm not giving them my thoughts and my feelings about

843
00:44:46,350 --> 00:44:49,989
S6: what job he takes or whatever. What if he moves? Whatever.

844
00:44:51,390 --> 00:44:54,430
S6: I said, this is the will of God, your sanctification.

845
00:44:54,989 --> 00:44:58,029
S6: There's one thing you got to think about. What is

846
00:44:58,030 --> 00:45:04,190
S6: going to grow me up in God, and you take

847
00:45:04,190 --> 00:45:06,910
S6: a couple different options that you have before you. It

848
00:45:06,910 --> 00:45:09,590
S6: could be that it's going to be tougher to do that,

849
00:45:09,910 --> 00:45:11,670
S6: but it's going to grow you up and guide more.

850
00:45:13,550 --> 00:45:17,149
S6: And if you can think through every decision in your

851
00:45:17,150 --> 00:45:20,270
S6: life through this is the will of God, your sanctification.

852
00:45:20,469 --> 00:45:25,750
S6: Oh my goodness, now you've got an integrated faith. Now

853
00:45:25,750 --> 00:45:32,930
S6: everything works together. You start. You start looking at even

854
00:45:32,969 --> 00:45:37,170
S6: hobbies through the lens of your sanctification. It could be

855
00:45:37,170 --> 00:45:39,250
S6: that you need to ramp that up a little bit

856
00:45:39,290 --> 00:45:42,410
S6: and bring something else down a little bit, but God's

857
00:45:42,410 --> 00:45:47,450
S6: will permeates everything. Coming up here in a moment, I'm

858
00:45:47,450 --> 00:45:50,170
S6: going to bring in a special guest. I just got

859
00:45:50,170 --> 00:45:52,850
S6: a call out to him. We're going to talk about

860
00:45:53,210 --> 00:45:57,529
S6: a big issue that many of you are facing. The

861
00:45:57,530 --> 00:46:01,570
S6: question is, how do we discern what that even looks

862
00:46:01,570 --> 00:46:05,410
S6: like in my life? It's a big one. We'll tackle it.

863
00:46:06,450 --> 00:46:08,969
S1: The gospel changes everything.

864
00:46:09,170 --> 00:46:11,890
S4: Where else am I going to find peace? Joy? Eternal

865
00:46:11,890 --> 00:46:15,450
S4: life not found in anyone else.

866
00:46:15,489 --> 00:46:17,330
S1: You're listening to Carl and Crew.

867
00:46:19,450 --> 00:46:23,930
S6: This is the will of God, your sanctification. So I've

868
00:46:23,930 --> 00:46:26,450
S6: had it happen many times where people ask me, hey,

869
00:46:26,450 --> 00:46:28,610
S6: I've got a choice here. I've got this or that.

870
00:46:28,610 --> 00:46:31,430
S6: And I go, you know what? There's one question that

871
00:46:31,430 --> 00:46:35,469
S6: you got to ask. Which of those two is going

872
00:46:35,510 --> 00:46:38,310
S6: to most fulfill the will of God in my life,

873
00:46:38,430 --> 00:46:43,790
S6: which is my sanctification? You find the will. God is

874
00:46:43,790 --> 00:46:46,230
S6: willing that none would perish but that all would come

875
00:46:46,230 --> 00:46:50,270
S6: to faith in Christ. Isn't that sweet? God's will for

876
00:46:50,270 --> 00:46:53,750
S6: us is that we would be of good cheer even

877
00:46:53,750 --> 00:46:58,910
S6: in every circumstance and God's will for us. First Thessalonians

878
00:46:58,910 --> 00:47:02,550
S6: four three is sanctification, that we would grow up in

879
00:47:02,550 --> 00:47:06,230
S6: our relationship with God. So it might not be an

880
00:47:06,230 --> 00:47:11,110
S6: easy spot. I mean, think about this, Jesus, a couple

881
00:47:11,150 --> 00:47:15,629
S6: thousand years ago this week was headed toward Jerusalem to

882
00:47:15,670 --> 00:47:18,510
S6: pay the price for our sins. Guys, he was headed

883
00:47:18,510 --> 00:47:24,190
S6: that way. That was God's will for his life. Now, thankfully,

884
00:47:24,190 --> 00:47:26,710
S6: we don't have to go to the cross. Jesus did

885
00:47:26,710 --> 00:47:29,020
S6: it for us. But where we're going, we got to

886
00:47:29,020 --> 00:47:32,020
S6: ask the question, is this going to grow me up

887
00:47:32,020 --> 00:47:34,940
S6: in my relationship with God? One of the biggest whys

888
00:47:34,940 --> 00:47:37,420
S6: in the road that we face is what do we

889
00:47:37,420 --> 00:47:41,060
S6: do when we leave our place of employment, especially when

890
00:47:41,060 --> 00:47:42,860
S6: we're in the classical? I'm going to put it in

891
00:47:42,860 --> 00:47:47,500
S6: air quotes. Retirement years. Dave Chervinsky, my guest right now.

892
00:47:47,780 --> 00:47:49,860
S6: Good to have you with me, Dave. We're talking about

893
00:47:49,860 --> 00:47:52,860
S6: this whole issue of the will of God. It's good

894
00:47:52,900 --> 00:47:57,380
S6: to to not bifurcate our life into work versus worship

895
00:47:57,380 --> 00:47:58,700
S6: of God. Right, my friend?

896
00:47:58,980 --> 00:48:02,259
S10: Well, I think they're one and the same thing. And,

897
00:48:02,620 --> 00:48:06,819
S10: you know, we identify our work and our Christianity through

898
00:48:06,820 --> 00:48:09,580
S10: the things we do. And it's not just on Sundays,

899
00:48:10,060 --> 00:48:13,860
S10: it's on every day. Yeah. And so your work really

900
00:48:13,860 --> 00:48:17,180
S10: is going to be an example of your faith. How

901
00:48:17,180 --> 00:48:20,300
S10: hard do you work? How, what is your dedication level?

902
00:48:20,300 --> 00:48:23,100
S10: What is your your mission isn't just to do work,

903
00:48:23,100 --> 00:48:24,860
S10: but it's to lead people to Christ.

904
00:48:24,900 --> 00:48:25,420
S3: Yeah.

905
00:48:25,960 --> 00:48:28,759
S6: When did you have an epiphany in your life when

906
00:48:28,800 --> 00:48:33,879
S6: God revealed to you that retirement, that break from what

907
00:48:33,880 --> 00:48:37,000
S6: you're doing? I'm not saying that you never retire, but

908
00:48:37,000 --> 00:48:42,880
S6: you actually shift gears into another, um, emphasis for your life.

909
00:48:42,880 --> 00:48:44,640
S6: When did that hit you? Dave.

910
00:48:45,040 --> 00:48:48,120
S10: It was about 15 years ago when I spent my

911
00:48:48,120 --> 00:48:52,200
S10: career helping people plan to leave the workforce. And as

912
00:48:52,200 --> 00:48:56,399
S10: those people were actually leaving the workforce, some, you know,

913
00:48:56,440 --> 00:48:59,840
S10: younger and especially athletes that we work with are younger

914
00:48:59,840 --> 00:49:03,640
S10: when they leave the workforce. I saw how empty it

915
00:49:03,640 --> 00:49:07,320
S10: was when they left and how for a lot of people,

916
00:49:07,320 --> 00:49:10,200
S10: their purpose was gone. The reason for waking up was gone.

917
00:49:10,200 --> 00:49:12,960
S10: They didn't have to go to work. And it struck

918
00:49:12,960 --> 00:49:15,200
S10: me at that moment that this is not what we

919
00:49:15,200 --> 00:49:19,480
S10: should be planning for. And it's not just about work

920
00:49:19,480 --> 00:49:21,560
S10: or things like that, but it's about your purpose. And

921
00:49:21,560 --> 00:49:25,140
S10: your life is so much greater than what your job

922
00:49:25,140 --> 00:49:27,259
S10: is or the office that you drive to. That is

923
00:49:27,620 --> 00:49:29,819
S10: that is a relatively small part of our lives. It's

924
00:49:29,820 --> 00:49:32,259
S10: our faith that is really what we're going to walk

925
00:49:32,260 --> 00:49:33,100
S10: out forever.

926
00:49:33,580 --> 00:49:34,020
S3: Yeah.

927
00:49:34,020 --> 00:49:36,980
S6: It's so beautiful. You know, I think the tendency, Dave,

928
00:49:37,340 --> 00:49:40,939
S6: is that we do bifurcate or quad furcate our life,

929
00:49:40,940 --> 00:49:44,180
S6: but you, you nailed it. I mean, when we are

930
00:49:44,739 --> 00:49:49,740
S6: transformed by the power of God's grace that has the opportunity.

931
00:49:49,780 --> 00:49:51,259
S6: It doesn't say that it will, but it has the

932
00:49:51,260 --> 00:49:55,620
S6: opportunity to impact every aspect of our life. I know

933
00:49:55,620 --> 00:49:58,620
S6: that you're a big champion, that let's just cut to

934
00:49:58,660 --> 00:50:02,420
S6: it that retirement not found in the scriptures. Right, Dave?

935
00:50:02,460 --> 00:50:03,300
S6: It's not there.

936
00:50:03,620 --> 00:50:05,500
S11: It's not really there. The way that.

937
00:50:05,500 --> 00:50:07,939
S10: We're going, that the way that the world does it now,

938
00:50:07,940 --> 00:50:09,660
S10: where you walk away and you walk the beach for

939
00:50:09,660 --> 00:50:13,259
S10: the next 25 years, and then somebody reads about your

940
00:50:13,260 --> 00:50:16,140
S10: death notice in the paper. That's not in the Bible.

941
00:50:16,420 --> 00:50:20,380
S6: So give us a vision. If retirement isn't there for

942
00:50:20,380 --> 00:50:21,620
S6: what could be there.

943
00:50:22,280 --> 00:50:25,560
S10: Well, Carl, I think it starts earlier than, you know,

944
00:50:25,600 --> 00:50:28,600
S10: those last couple of years in your in your work life,

945
00:50:28,600 --> 00:50:32,360
S10: it really starts somewhere. You know, maybe 10 or 15

946
00:50:32,360 --> 00:50:36,560
S10: years out where you're investing in things greater than ourselves,

947
00:50:36,560 --> 00:50:39,719
S10: greater than the world. And I always go back to Proverbs.

948
00:50:39,719 --> 00:50:42,440
S10: I love Proverbs because there's so much wisdom in there.

949
00:50:43,000 --> 00:50:47,960
S10: And Proverbs 1320 says, he who walks with the wise

950
00:50:48,000 --> 00:50:51,200
S10: grows wise. And I think what that means to me

951
00:50:51,200 --> 00:50:53,439
S10: is that, you know, if you really want to know

952
00:50:53,440 --> 00:50:55,640
S10: what God's will is for the rest of your life

953
00:50:55,640 --> 00:50:58,879
S10: after work, after these things, after kids are gone, you're

954
00:50:58,880 --> 00:51:03,280
S10: going to put people in your life that are biblically correct,

955
00:51:03,360 --> 00:51:06,480
S10: biblically in place, and they're going to help you, and

956
00:51:06,480 --> 00:51:09,759
S10: you're going to help them discern what comes next in

957
00:51:09,760 --> 00:51:12,920
S10: your life. And they could be a pastor or a

958
00:51:12,920 --> 00:51:16,520
S10: prayer partner. Uh, there could be appall in your life

959
00:51:16,520 --> 00:51:19,440
S10: that you're learning from somebody that you're learning with and

960
00:51:19,440 --> 00:51:23,300
S10: somebody that you're teaching to kind of a mentoring relationship.

961
00:51:23,500 --> 00:51:26,940
S10: And I think these accountability levels in your life will

962
00:51:26,940 --> 00:51:31,259
S10: help you develop a discernment for what comes next. And I,

963
00:51:31,300 --> 00:51:34,100
S10: you know, I just got back Sunday night from the

964
00:51:34,100 --> 00:51:36,740
S10: Amazon River in Brazil. We did a missions trip there,

965
00:51:37,020 --> 00:51:39,299
S10: and we took a big group of guys, a big

966
00:51:39,300 --> 00:51:42,380
S10: group of people with us from a local church. And

967
00:51:42,420 --> 00:51:46,580
S10: I'm watching it change their lives as we're serving people

968
00:51:46,940 --> 00:51:49,100
S10: that nobody even knows that they're alive.

969
00:51:49,300 --> 00:51:49,700
S3: Yeah.

970
00:51:49,780 --> 00:51:53,220
S10: And I and one of the guys said, David, this

971
00:51:53,219 --> 00:51:59,100
S10: trip has changed my life. You know, I didn't do that.

972
00:51:59,100 --> 00:52:02,140
S10: I didn't change his life. God changed this young man's

973
00:52:02,140 --> 00:52:05,859
S10: life because now he knows he has this information and

974
00:52:05,860 --> 00:52:07,419
S10: he can apply it to the rest of his life.

975
00:52:07,420 --> 00:52:09,739
S10: And I think that's the kind of stuff we need

976
00:52:09,739 --> 00:52:13,860
S10: to be around what comes next. Because and you know, Carl,

977
00:52:13,860 --> 00:52:17,180
S10: I'm not against leisure and golfing and doing things like that. Sure.

978
00:52:17,219 --> 00:52:19,759
S10: I think those things are important too. I don't want

979
00:52:19,760 --> 00:52:23,040
S10: you to retire and have no fun in your life,

980
00:52:23,040 --> 00:52:26,560
S10: but I want you to think about something greater, something

981
00:52:26,560 --> 00:52:30,440
S10: longer term, something eternal that we could be involved with.

982
00:52:30,640 --> 00:52:33,880
S6: Yeah. No, I love this, Dave. David Sharansky, my guest

983
00:52:33,880 --> 00:52:35,960
S6: right now, and he's written on that. I'll tell you

984
00:52:35,960 --> 00:52:38,480
S6: about it in a moment here. But you know, this

985
00:52:38,480 --> 00:52:42,399
S6: is this is really important because I think a lot

986
00:52:42,440 --> 00:52:45,919
S6: of people, when you find the kind of the totality

987
00:52:45,920 --> 00:52:48,560
S6: of who you are and work when you retire. Oh,

988
00:52:48,719 --> 00:52:50,919
S6: now you got a problem. But when you see that

989
00:52:50,920 --> 00:52:54,440
S6: God's given you spiritual gifts, uh, you've gained years of

990
00:52:54,440 --> 00:52:57,880
S6: wisdom that others need. I'm reminded of Howard Hendricks. I

991
00:52:57,880 --> 00:52:59,840
S6: remember him telling a group of us we were meeting

992
00:52:59,840 --> 00:53:03,160
S6: in Saint Pete Beach, and he said, I'm spending most

993
00:53:03,160 --> 00:53:06,239
S6: of my years right now getting good men off the

994
00:53:06,280 --> 00:53:09,560
S6: golf course, back into the lives of younger men because

995
00:53:09,560 --> 00:53:12,520
S6: they underestimate how God can use them. What do you

996
00:53:12,520 --> 00:53:14,240
S6: say to what Howard said?

997
00:53:14,840 --> 00:53:17,940
S10: I always thought of Howard as like, a guy's guy,

998
00:53:17,980 --> 00:53:21,020
S10: you know, like, uh, if if if I was backed

999
00:53:21,020 --> 00:53:24,460
S10: into a corner. I want Howard to me because he's

1000
00:53:24,460 --> 00:53:26,540
S10: going to help me. And so when you hear that

1001
00:53:26,540 --> 00:53:28,700
S10: from somebody like that, when you hear that from somebody

1002
00:53:28,700 --> 00:53:31,339
S10: that you respect and you look up to and you

1003
00:53:31,340 --> 00:53:35,140
S10: know that they're a godly man, you take notice. And

1004
00:53:35,140 --> 00:53:38,700
S10: I love that getting getting out of this leisure trap.

1005
00:53:38,700 --> 00:53:40,819
S10: And that's exactly what it is for a lot of

1006
00:53:40,820 --> 00:53:43,979
S10: people today. It's a leisure trap where you think that's

1007
00:53:43,980 --> 00:53:47,620
S10: where I'm going to find my self-worth, my net worth,

1008
00:53:47,620 --> 00:53:50,819
S10: my being and all those things. And I can tell you,

1009
00:53:50,820 --> 00:53:53,900
S10: I have seen this hundreds of times now in my career.

1010
00:53:54,300 --> 00:53:57,819
S10: It is an empty vessel and people get there and

1011
00:53:57,820 --> 00:54:02,819
S10: they're so disappointed with what they find that it's it's

1012
00:54:02,820 --> 00:54:06,700
S10: really incumbent on us as godly men to do what

1013
00:54:06,739 --> 00:54:10,259
S10: Howard Howard said, get those guys, get those people. It's

1014
00:54:10,260 --> 00:54:14,339
S10: not just guys. Yeah. It's everybody. Get those people out

1015
00:54:14,340 --> 00:54:18,319
S10: of that life of that trap and get them back

1016
00:54:18,320 --> 00:54:21,320
S10: to being useful people where they can further the kingdom

1017
00:54:21,320 --> 00:54:24,879
S10: of God. Because a lot of those people are highly respected,

1018
00:54:24,880 --> 00:54:30,320
S10: highly efficient, and very effective people. They're powerful witnesses for Christ.

1019
00:54:31,280 --> 00:54:32,640
S10: We got to get them back there.

1020
00:54:32,719 --> 00:54:35,440
S6: Yeah. And even if you think you're listening right now, going, well,

1021
00:54:35,480 --> 00:54:37,640
S6: I've kind of had an obscure job. I'm not a

1022
00:54:37,640 --> 00:54:42,560
S6: high profile person there. Someone needs what you have learned, friend.

1023
00:54:42,840 --> 00:54:46,400
S6: Someone needs it. And then when that one's done receiving,

1024
00:54:46,400 --> 00:54:50,360
S6: there's more. And the body of Christ needs you. Dave. David,

1025
00:54:50,880 --> 00:54:53,440
S6: I got to tell you a story here, man, this

1026
00:54:53,440 --> 00:54:55,560
S6: is so cool. This will fire you up. So we

1027
00:54:55,560 --> 00:54:58,280
S6: got a guy in our, one of our campuses, actually

1028
00:54:58,280 --> 00:55:00,960
S6: northwest campus of our church, one in Chicago. And he

1029
00:55:00,960 --> 00:55:04,799
S6: did really well in startups, like did really well. And

1030
00:55:04,800 --> 00:55:07,960
S6: it came time for him to do the classic retirement.

1031
00:55:08,600 --> 00:55:12,719
S6: And God used a conversation that myself and my right

1032
00:55:12,820 --> 00:55:16,819
S6: hand man Christopher had with him. His name's Scott and

1033
00:55:17,020 --> 00:55:21,820
S6: just an incredible guy. And he read your book. And

1034
00:55:21,820 --> 00:55:25,420
S6: here's what's really cool. He loves fishing. He goes all

1035
00:55:25,420 --> 00:55:28,820
S6: over the world, goes fishing. He slowed down those trips.

1036
00:55:28,820 --> 00:55:31,220
S6: I don't know if he's been on one, maybe two

1037
00:55:31,260 --> 00:55:34,540
S6: max in the almost two years now that he's been

1038
00:55:34,540 --> 00:55:38,900
S6: serving in this new role. He's our campus director. And

1039
00:55:38,900 --> 00:55:43,500
S6: you know what he wants for a salary every year? $1. David.

1040
00:55:44,020 --> 00:55:47,379
S6: And can I can I tell you can I tell

1041
00:55:47,380 --> 00:55:50,700
S6: you something? He says this is the best job he's

1042
00:55:50,700 --> 00:55:52,500
S6: ever had in his life.

1043
00:55:53,060 --> 00:55:53,540
S10: Yeah.

1044
00:55:53,900 --> 00:55:59,020
S6: Oh, he listen, he did really well. And now he's

1045
00:55:59,020 --> 00:56:02,899
S6: doing even better. Boom. Crew, I want you to hear

1046
00:56:02,940 --> 00:56:05,339
S6: me right now. David has written a book called The

1047
00:56:05,340 --> 00:56:08,980
S6: Sin of Retirement. It was used in my friend Scott

1048
00:56:08,980 --> 00:56:12,080
S6: File's life in a big way. and I want you

1049
00:56:12,080 --> 00:56:14,280
S6: to consider it as well. We got a link coming

1050
00:56:14,280 --> 00:56:17,480
S6: your way that is both to his website and a

1051
00:56:17,480 --> 00:56:20,919
S6: link to this book. And I don't just come on

1052
00:56:20,920 --> 00:56:24,319
S6: here and sell books. We give you resources that are

1053
00:56:24,320 --> 00:56:26,600
S6: going to help you, in this case, discern the will

1054
00:56:26,640 --> 00:56:29,120
S6: of God. And it could be that you were headed

1055
00:56:29,640 --> 00:56:32,800
S6: down a path that had you checking out. God doesn't

1056
00:56:32,800 --> 00:56:39,720
S6: want you checking out transitioning. Sure. Checking out no text

1057
00:56:39,760 --> 00:56:52,680
S6: the word retirement to (800) 555-7898. Text the word retirement to (800) 555-7898.

1058
00:56:52,719 --> 00:56:56,240
S6: Watch what God can do with you.

1059
00:56:56,760 --> 00:56:59,640
S1: Tune in whenever you like. Check out the Carl and

1060
00:56:59,640 --> 00:57:02,200
S1: Cru podcast wherever you like to stream.

1061
00:57:04,920 --> 00:57:06,759
S6: This is the season when a lot of people are

1062
00:57:06,760 --> 00:57:11,219
S6: making a lot of big moves. Inventory rising on realty

1063
00:57:11,260 --> 00:57:15,380
S6: sites because it's the time, man. I mean, spring cleaning

1064
00:57:15,380 --> 00:57:19,020
S6: is happening. Sometimes movement is happening with regard to a

1065
00:57:19,060 --> 00:57:21,780
S6: lot of drivers for why we make a move. A

1066
00:57:21,820 --> 00:57:25,140
S6: lot of adjustments are made. And one of the great

1067
00:57:25,140 --> 00:57:30,380
S6: dangers here is that we have a bifurcated life, bifurcated life,

1068
00:57:30,380 --> 00:57:33,380
S6: meaning that those of you that are disciples of Christ,

1069
00:57:33,740 --> 00:57:37,580
S6: you know that God has transformed you. And and it

1070
00:57:37,620 --> 00:57:41,500
S6: dictates where you go to church, maybe how you engage

1071
00:57:41,500 --> 00:57:44,500
S6: with the small group of people reading the word and

1072
00:57:44,500 --> 00:57:49,020
S6: nobody's perfected it, but you're convicted by the Holy Spirit. And,

1073
00:57:49,500 --> 00:57:52,300
S6: and those kind of movements in our life are great.

1074
00:57:52,300 --> 00:57:55,980
S6: One of the great dangers here is that that relationship

1075
00:57:55,980 --> 00:57:58,900
S6: with God does not direct everything in our life. When

1076
00:57:58,900 --> 00:58:02,740
S6: I say bifurcated life, oftentimes we have this thing where it's, well,

1077
00:58:02,740 --> 00:58:05,540
S6: here I am with God. I'm listening to Carl and

1078
00:58:05,540 --> 00:58:07,960
S6: Crew right now. But then when I turned this off,

1079
00:58:07,960 --> 00:58:10,640
S6: when I leave church, when I get done with my

1080
00:58:10,640 --> 00:58:12,800
S6: small group, then I've got this other life I've got

1081
00:58:12,800 --> 00:58:17,040
S6: to go live. No, not in Christ Jesus. They're all integrated.

1082
00:58:17,280 --> 00:58:22,640
S6: They're all together. Everything is an outflow rather than life

1083
00:58:22,640 --> 00:58:24,960
S6: by the list. And I nail this in one book

1084
00:58:24,960 --> 00:58:27,360
S6: I wrote, but rather than life by the list, where

1085
00:58:27,360 --> 00:58:29,400
S6: you got God at the top and then family and

1086
00:58:29,400 --> 00:58:33,520
S6: then work and then. No, it's not life by the list.

1087
00:58:34,240 --> 00:58:38,560
S6: Look at it as a dartboard. Where in that centre

1088
00:58:38,560 --> 00:58:43,240
S6: is this red hot relationship with Jesus and then that boom,

1089
00:58:43,280 --> 00:58:46,440
S6: imagine through all those little pieces of pie, you've got work,

1090
00:58:46,480 --> 00:58:49,000
S6: you've got family, you've got hobby, you've got all these

1091
00:58:49,000 --> 00:58:54,880
S6: different that's the way we roll this life in Christ

1092
00:58:54,880 --> 00:58:59,000
S6: permeating every area. And so one of the great dangers

1093
00:58:59,000 --> 00:59:00,960
S6: is a lot of the reason that a lot of

1094
00:59:00,960 --> 00:59:03,520
S6: kids that were raised in church were never in Christ

1095
00:59:03,560 --> 00:59:07,220
S6: is That we talked about the how and the what.

1096
00:59:07,220 --> 00:59:10,380
S6: This is how we do it now. This is what

1097
00:59:10,380 --> 00:59:13,620
S6: you do. This is how you do it without answering

1098
00:59:13,620 --> 00:59:16,420
S6: the why? Yeah, without answering the why.

1099
00:59:16,900 --> 00:59:17,980
S2: Because I said so.

1100
00:59:18,580 --> 00:59:22,740
S6: Yeah. And God never says because I said so. So

1101
00:59:22,940 --> 00:59:26,340
S6: the question you got to ask yourself is, what is

1102
00:59:26,340 --> 00:59:31,020
S6: the will of God for my life in total? And

1103
00:59:31,020 --> 00:59:32,660
S6: if you go to Scripture, I want to give you

1104
00:59:32,700 --> 00:59:35,460
S6: three places you find the will of God. If you've

1105
00:59:35,460 --> 00:59:39,660
S6: got a pen handy, write them down. You find it

1106
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S6: that it's God's will. John 640. That people believe in

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S6: the Son of God and have eternal life. How cool

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S6: is that? That is God's will. Willing that none would perish,

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S6: none without Jesus. John 640. Then you go to first

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S6: Thessalonians chapter five, verse 18. Another place you find the

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S6: will of God. Give thanks in all circumstances. I know

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S6: it's tough, but this is the will of God because

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S6: this is the will of God. First Thessalonians 518. Well,

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S6: then you back up in the third place, you find

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S6: the will of God is a little bit earlier in

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S6: first Thessalonians, first Thessalonians chapter four, verse three, this is

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S6: the will of God, ready your sanctification. Now it goes

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S6: on to talk about sexual immorality and all that. But

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S6: mark it down. This is the will of God, your sanctification.

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S6: Big fancy word for growing up in our relationship with

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S6: God in everything. And when we begin to look at

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S6: our life through the lens of, wow, I'm not living

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S6: some bifurcated life where I've got this quiet time here,

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S6: and I hope the fumes of that kind of carry into,

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S6: you know, kind of anger with me over here. No, no, no.

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S6: When we start seeing that God is the God of

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S6: everything we do, where we live, where we work, the

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S6: hobbies we take up, how much time is committed to what.

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S6: When we answer the bigger why Katy bar the picking door,

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S6: it's going to change everything. Katy's working overtime today.

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S2: She's really boring that.

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S3: Tour, man.

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S6: So here's the deal. God wants you to live a

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S6: fully integrated life. And sometimes the lack of that integration

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S6: is explanation enough for why the abundant life seems elusive.

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S6: God wants to remedy that, Carl. God cares about where

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S6: I live. When I sell my home, what job I'm

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S6: going to take. Oh, you you you better believe he

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S6: does not because he's constrictive, but because God's a God

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S6: of liberty and freedom, and he wants to replace angst

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01:02:03,410 --> 01:02:08,290
S6: with promptings of the spirit that guide and direct the

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S6: affairs of our life.

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S2: And isn't it amazing to know that even things like

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S2: purchasing a house or making a move all can get

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S2: us closer to Christ?

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S3: Oh big time.

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S2: We don't have to have just these little things over

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S2: here that have nothing to do with God. And then

1149
01:02:24,450 --> 01:02:27,210
S2: all this is the spiritual stuff. Know it's all moving

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01:02:27,210 --> 01:02:29,530
S2: us closer to Christ when we walk with him.

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S6: Every bit of it.

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S1: Celebrating the unstoppable gospel.

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S2: It's not that I've got to fill in these check

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S2: boxes so he's okay with me, but it's that I

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S2: get to stand close to him so that I can

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S2: experience the life that he has for me.

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S1: You're listening to Carl and Cru.

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S6: The Holy Spirit has someone aligned for these words I'm

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S6: about to share with you right now. We're talking in

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S6: times all week long. We're talking about your life counting

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S6: in a way that you will hear well done, good

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S6: and faithful servant. So I want you to listen closely

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S6: and listen fast. We have a massive gap in American

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S6: North American Western Christianity. Here's the gap. Those who are

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01:03:13,630 --> 01:03:17,430
S6: Christian in name only and those who are followers of

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S6: Jesus Christ. And the gap is huge. 72% claim Christian.

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S6: If they were pushed for a title 4% most recent

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S6: poll 2025 4% have a biblical worldview that is so

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S6: related to God and connected to God that they want

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S6: the words of Scripture to guide their private and public lives.

1171
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S6: I'm talking to you, friend, this morning, and God brought

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S6: you here ready? Because something hasn't added up and you've

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01:03:51,990 --> 01:03:54,070
S6: got a holy hunch. And now the Holy Spirit's going

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S6: to confirm what it is. And that is, there are

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S6: many millions of people who go to Bible believing churches

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S6: every weekend. A lot of kids that left the church

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01:04:05,090 --> 01:04:08,170
S6: were never in Christ. There are many who are in

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S6: church who are not in Christ. And friend, God doesn't

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S6: want that for you. Jesus says it so clearly, not

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S6: only in Matthew seven but in Matthew 25. I spent

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S6: some time yesterday. I'm just going to say it quickly

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S6: right now. Many will say on that day, Lord, Lord,

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S6: and he's going to say, I never knew you. And

1184
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S6: you go to Matthew 25 and what you see is

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S6: ten bridesmaids, five are ready, five are not. They all

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S6: claim to be ready and waiting for Jesus to come.

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S6: Five are not ready. Why? Because the Holy Spirit of

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S6: God does not possess them. You do not have to

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S6: be freaked out. You do not have to wonder any longer.

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S6: But today God is calling you to quit trying to

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S6: do this. Walking the broad path with all the idols

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S6: in your hand. And trying to hold Jesus as well.

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S6: Jesus will not co-habitate with your idols. Not your pursuit

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S6: of money, of satisfaction, of pleasure, of acclaim. God wants

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S6: all of you. There's one answer. Repentance. Turning around from

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S6: the broad path, surrendering all you are to Jesus Christ today.

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S6: And I know I felt prompted out of the blue

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S6: here because God brought you here, ready? And the Spirit

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S6: of God is telling you, you've been in church, but

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S6: you've never been in Christ. You've claimed the name Christian,

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01:05:40,230 --> 01:05:43,070
S6: but you've never been born again. And today you can be.

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01:05:43,910 --> 01:05:46,470
S6: I'm going to state it again. Are you willing to

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S6: own the truth that you're a sinner and you need

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S6: a savior, and you're not going to add Jesus to

1205
01:05:50,750 --> 01:05:53,250
S6: your life anymore? You're going to let him take it over?

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S6: Turn around, repent and surrender all you are to Christ. Today,

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S6: every bit of who you are to Christ today. Every bit.

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S6: Every bit of you. To Jesus today. Father, I thank

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S6: you that in this moment you are. You brought a man,

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S6: a woman, a young person, somebody many years in church,

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S6: but they have never been in Christ. And today you're

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S6: calling them out of darkness and into the light. Oh, God,

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S6: make it thorough. Make it complete and show them that

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S6: you who began this work, you'll carry it on to

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S6: completion until the day of Christ Jesus. What am I

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S6: calling you to surrender all to him today? Become a

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S6: disciple of Jesus Christ. And if God's Spirit is doing

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S6: that in you right now for the first time, I'm

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S6: going to help you on this path. I want you

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S6: to just grab your phone and go, wow, God's Spirit

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S6: just hit me and said, you have never been in me.

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S6: Add on Jesus will not take you to heaven. Add on.

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S6: Jesus will not give you abundant life. Christian in name only.

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S6: Can't save anyone but the full surrender of your life

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01:07:06,270 --> 01:07:09,830
S6: to Jesus and repenting, turning around open hands, saying I

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S6: surrender all. It can change everything. Right now I'm going

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S6: to help you. Just text the word new. Just one

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S6: word new n e w to 800 555 7898. We're

1229
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S6: going to help you in your first steps with Jesus.

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S6: Use this link. Use it. Don't just get it. Use it.

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S6: Text the word new to 800 555 7898. One word

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S6: new to 800 555 7898. God had you here to

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S6: save your soul today. One word new to 800 555 7898.