WEBVTT - Hour 2: Mailbag Musings 0:00:08.119 --> 0:00:11.090 Hello friends. It's time for the second hour of Open 0:00:11.090 --> 0:00:15.770 Line with Doctor Michael Radonich Moody Radio's Bible Study Across America. 0:00:15.770 --> 0:00:19.849 We're talking about your questions about the Bible, God and 0:00:19.850 --> 0:00:22.970 the spiritual life. I'm Michael Ray Dolnick, professor of Jewish 0:00:22.970 --> 0:00:25.880 studies at Moody Bible Institute, and we are broadcasting from 0:00:25.910 --> 0:00:30.980 Moody's downtown Chicago campus. If you have a Bible question today, 0:00:31.070 --> 0:00:34.790 don't phone in. It's a special all mailbag, all the 0:00:34.790 --> 0:00:39.560 time program. But you can write your question to Open line@moody.edu, 0:00:39.560 --> 0:00:42.140 or you can post it on Twitter. Our handle is 0:00:42.170 --> 0:00:45.290 at openline Radio1. 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Welcome. 0:01:26.270 --> 0:01:27.410 Glad we're all together. 0:01:27.440 --> 0:01:27.950 Me too. 0:01:27.980 --> 0:01:28.670 Yeah. 0:01:28.730 --> 0:01:32.510 So being here around the radio kitchen table in person is, like, 0:01:32.510 --> 0:01:33.890 even more fun than listening at home. 0:01:33.890 --> 0:01:34.429 That's right. 0:01:34.459 --> 0:01:36.020 So maybe, like, a lot of people just come down 0:01:36.020 --> 0:01:36.619 and be with us. 0:01:36.650 --> 0:01:36.950 Yeah. 0:01:37.250 --> 0:01:38.570 Well, they are great. They are. 0:01:38.630 --> 0:01:41.750 They're listening in. That's right. So, well, let's keep our 0:01:41.750 --> 0:01:44.809 Bibles open and let's get a second cup of coffee, 0:01:44.810 --> 0:01:47.510 because we're going to go right back to your questions. 0:01:47.510 --> 0:01:49.370 And Tricia has got a lot of them we've got 0:01:49.370 --> 0:01:49.700 to cover. 0:01:49.730 --> 0:01:52.670 Yeah. And we're going to dive in this one in 0:01:52.670 --> 0:01:56.240 this next question. Um, several people have written in with this. 0:01:56.240 --> 0:01:58.590 So I'm going to kind of tie their questions together. 0:01:58.590 --> 0:02:04.560 Wendy in Chattanooga, Tennessee listens to WNBA. Sean and Jennifer, 0:02:04.710 --> 0:02:09.570 um have all written in with a question about Hebrews 0:02:09.570 --> 0:02:11.010 six four through six. 0:02:11.040 --> 0:02:12.899 It's a it's a troubling passage. 0:02:12.900 --> 0:02:16.050 It is, it is. Does this passage, Hebrews six four 0:02:16.080 --> 0:02:19.470 through six imply that you can lose your salvation? Um, 0:02:19.470 --> 0:02:21.989 if not this passage, do you think you can ever, 0:02:21.990 --> 0:02:26.880 under any circumstance, lose your salvation? Um, Sean says he 0:02:26.880 --> 0:02:29.760 doesn't think you can lose your salvation. So the verse is, 0:02:29.760 --> 0:02:33.210 if that's if he's right, are the verses teaching? Are 0:02:33.210 --> 0:02:36.180 they teaching for the Christian Jews to not fall back 0:02:36.180 --> 0:02:41.280 into Judaism? Um, and then Jennifer wanted to know if God, um, 0:02:41.400 --> 0:02:43.650 along with all of the rest, would God take away 0:02:43.650 --> 0:02:46.380 a free gift like that from a person? I mean, 0:02:46.380 --> 0:02:48.840 we talk about it being this free gift that we 0:02:48.840 --> 0:02:51.270 just have to take it if you have. Can he 0:02:51.270 --> 0:02:52.290 take that back? 0:02:52.320 --> 0:02:54.030 Now, I just want you to know, I'm going to 0:02:54.030 --> 0:02:56.580 take a lot of time with this question, because we 0:02:56.580 --> 0:02:58.180 get a lot of people with it. And I think 0:02:58.180 --> 0:03:01.150 the way to start with this is with what Scripture 0:03:01.150 --> 0:03:03.190 teaches about our security. 0:03:03.220 --> 0:03:05.890 Yeah. And this is such a great passage. Everybody should 0:03:05.889 --> 0:03:08.650 have this underlined in their Bible to be knowing that 0:03:08.650 --> 0:03:12.010 their relationship with the Lord Jesus is secure not because 0:03:12.010 --> 0:03:15.070 of what they do, but because of what he has done. 0:03:15.100 --> 0:03:19.630 He this is this is in John chapter, chapter six. 0:03:19.630 --> 0:03:22.870 And it starts like, let's just start at verse 37. 0:03:22.870 --> 0:03:25.690 It says, all that the father gives me will come 0:03:25.690 --> 0:03:28.150 to me, and the one who comes to me, I 0:03:28.150 --> 0:03:31.060 will certainly not cast out. For I have come down 0:03:31.060 --> 0:03:33.400 from heaven not to do my own will, but the 0:03:33.400 --> 0:03:36.160 will of him who sent me. This is the will 0:03:36.190 --> 0:03:38.500 of him who sent me, that of all that he 0:03:38.500 --> 0:03:41.560 has given me, I will lose nothing but raise him 0:03:41.560 --> 0:03:44.170 up on the last day. For this is the will 0:03:44.200 --> 0:03:47.590 of my father, that everyone who beholds the son and 0:03:47.590 --> 0:03:51.640 believes in him will have eternal life, and I myself 0:03:51.640 --> 0:03:54.640 will raise him up on the last day. Seems pretty 0:03:54.640 --> 0:03:57.220 clear that the person doing the work in this situation 0:03:57.220 --> 0:03:58.150 is the Lord Jesus. 0:03:58.180 --> 0:03:59.830 Yeah, and he always does. The will of the father. 0:03:59.860 --> 0:04:03.910 Always does the will. So if anybody could be lost, 0:04:03.910 --> 0:04:06.520 that would mean that Jesus had failed in his mission. 0:04:06.520 --> 0:04:08.530 And if he had failed in his mission, then he 0:04:08.530 --> 0:04:09.610 could not be the Messiah. 0:04:09.640 --> 0:04:14.260 So yeah, he stakes his whole messianic identity. 0:04:14.290 --> 0:04:14.980 Right. 0:04:14.980 --> 0:04:16.750 On the fact that he always does the will of 0:04:16.750 --> 0:04:18.670 the father. This is my father's will, that of all 0:04:18.700 --> 0:04:20.589 that he has given me. I like how my version 0:04:20.589 --> 0:04:24.190 reads in in the hcsb I lose none of them. 0:04:24.190 --> 0:04:24.820 Right. 0:04:24.820 --> 0:04:28.570 And I think that is crucial. So I think that 0:04:28.570 --> 0:04:31.599 we can't get stronger than the words of Jesus that 0:04:31.600 --> 0:04:34.900 he says we are secure. And that's why I say 0:04:34.900 --> 0:04:38.680 Hebrews six is troubling, because on the surface it appears 0:04:38.680 --> 0:04:40.570 that it's saying the opposite. And I'm going to read 0:04:40.570 --> 0:04:43.479 the verses that people are asking about. It says, for 0:04:43.480 --> 0:04:47.650 it's impossible to renew to repentance. Those who were once enlightened, 0:04:47.680 --> 0:04:51.039 who tasted the heavenly gift, became companions with the Holy Spirit, 0:04:51.070 --> 0:04:54.190 tasted the good words and powers of the world or 0:04:54.190 --> 0:04:58.359 the coming age, and who have fallen away because to 0:04:58.390 --> 0:05:01.570 their own harm they are crucifying the Son of God 0:05:01.570 --> 0:05:05.380 and holding him up to contempt. So it's impossible to 0:05:05.410 --> 0:05:08.440 renew them to repentance. And it sounds like that's saying 0:05:08.440 --> 0:05:11.500 that they've come and they've known the Lord and they've 0:05:11.500 --> 0:05:15.100 lost their salvation. Now, here's how I I'm just going 0:05:15.100 --> 0:05:16.630 to explain the passage. I think it will answer all 0:05:16.630 --> 0:05:19.419 those questions that we got. First of all, I think 0:05:19.420 --> 0:05:23.320 it's really crucial that we understand he's writing to Jewish believers. 0:05:23.320 --> 0:05:26.080 That's what the book of Hebrews is about. Uh, to 0:05:26.110 --> 0:05:29.560 Messianic Jews, we would call them today, and they're facing 0:05:29.560 --> 0:05:33.610 persecution and they're thinking about going backwards. Some of them 0:05:33.610 --> 0:05:37.150 are thinking about going backwards to more traditional Judaism, leaving 0:05:37.150 --> 0:05:41.440 Jesus out of the equation. And then when the persecution 0:05:41.440 --> 0:05:45.430 passes by, they'll move back to it. But they're thinking 0:05:45.430 --> 0:05:49.750 about going backwards. And so I think, in a sense, 0:05:49.750 --> 0:05:52.270 the book of Hebrews is written to a mixed multitude 0:05:52.270 --> 0:05:55.260 of some who are genuine believers and some who are, 0:05:55.290 --> 0:05:57.930 because they're considering this, are betraying the fact that they 0:05:57.930 --> 0:06:01.140 may not be believers. And you see this in Hebrews 0:06:01.170 --> 0:06:04.710 three verse six. It says, Messiah was faithful as a 0:06:04.710 --> 0:06:08.820 son over his household, and we are presently. That's why 0:06:08.820 --> 0:06:11.250 I'm adding the word, the present tense. There we are, 0:06:11.279 --> 0:06:14.190 that household. If we hold on to the courage and 0:06:14.190 --> 0:06:17.220 confidence of our hope. And it's also saying, what if 0:06:17.220 --> 0:06:19.380 we bail? What if we don't hold on to the 0:06:19.380 --> 0:06:21.840 courage and confidence of our hope? Then we are not 0:06:21.839 --> 0:06:25.410 his household today. And so it proves that we are. 0:06:25.440 --> 0:06:27.720 If we bail, it proves that we don't know the Lord. 0:06:28.080 --> 0:06:32.730 Hebrews 314 says, we have become companions of the Messiah 0:06:32.940 --> 0:06:37.469 if we hold firmly until the end. The reality that 0:06:37.470 --> 0:06:40.740 we had at the start. And so what it's saying 0:06:40.740 --> 0:06:44.340 there is we hold firm, and then we demonstrate that 0:06:44.339 --> 0:06:47.520 we're companions of the Messiah. But what if we don't 0:06:47.550 --> 0:06:51.750 hold firmly? Well, then we're not his companions. And so 0:06:51.750 --> 0:06:56.280 it is saying, look, if you don't endure, you're demonstrating 0:06:56.279 --> 0:07:00.330 that you're not elect. The great outward sign of being 0:07:00.330 --> 0:07:03.150 part of the elect family of God is enduring in 0:07:03.150 --> 0:07:07.049 the faith those who Bale demonstrate that they're not. Now, 0:07:07.230 --> 0:07:09.960 what's the warning in Hebrews six about? I know I'm 0:07:09.960 --> 0:07:12.090 kind of taken over here on. 0:07:12.120 --> 0:07:14.910 This, thinking that people are afraid they're not going to endure. 0:07:14.940 --> 0:07:16.860 That's where they get afraid. Yeah. What if I don't 0:07:16.860 --> 0:07:17.460 keep up? 0:07:17.490 --> 0:07:21.630 Yeah. Well, Hebrews six nine talks about that and says, 0:07:21.630 --> 0:07:23.790 even though we're speaking this way, dear friends, in your case, 0:07:23.790 --> 0:07:26.340 we're confident of better things. That's right. And so there's 0:07:26.340 --> 0:07:29.070 a great deal of confidence that he has that if 0:07:29.070 --> 0:07:32.730 we know Jesus, we will endure. And if you know Jesus, 0:07:32.730 --> 0:07:36.360 you don't have to worry about not enduring. Now in 0:07:36.360 --> 0:07:39.450 Hebrews six, it's really important to read it in context. 0:07:39.450 --> 0:07:42.900 And he tells them to leave the elementary message about 0:07:42.900 --> 0:07:46.470 the Messiah and let us go on to maturity. And 0:07:46.470 --> 0:07:49.950 some people think in Hebrews 611 it says that it's saying, 0:07:49.950 --> 0:07:53.670 leave the foundational truths you were taught as a new believer, 0:07:53.670 --> 0:07:56.520 and go on and become a mature follower of Messiah, 0:07:56.910 --> 0:07:59.130 a follower of a mature follower of Jesus. But I 0:07:59.130 --> 0:08:01.800 don't think it's saying he says, leave the elementary message 0:08:01.800 --> 0:08:04.560 of the Messiah. I think what he's saying there is 0:08:04.560 --> 0:08:07.950 leave the elementary message that you learned as a Jewish 0:08:07.950 --> 0:08:11.700 person who didn't believe in Jesus yet, and move on 0:08:11.730 --> 0:08:14.880 to the maturity of full faith in Jesus as the Messiah. 0:08:14.880 --> 0:08:22.140 And here's why I say this is he says. That 0:08:22.140 --> 0:08:26.640 we have to move on from the foundation of repentance 0:08:26.640 --> 0:08:31.230 that's taught in traditional Judaism and in the messianic faith, 0:08:31.260 --> 0:08:34.920 the faith in Jesus, the Christian faith. Faith in God, 0:08:34.950 --> 0:08:37.980 teaching about ritual washings, laying on of hands, resurrection of 0:08:37.980 --> 0:08:40.740 the dead, and eternal judgment that all those things are 0:08:40.740 --> 0:08:46.980 found in, uh, in both Judaism and in the foundational 0:08:47.010 --> 0:08:49.050 teachings of the Christian faith. But there's one of those 0:08:49.050 --> 0:08:55.110 things that is mentioned that is not, uh, referring to that. 0:08:55.110 --> 0:09:00.660 And that is the word baptismos ritual washings in my version. 0:09:00.660 --> 0:09:04.860 Some versions say baptisms. That is a word that is 0:09:04.860 --> 0:09:08.189 used exclusively in the New Testament to refer to Old 0:09:08.220 --> 0:09:13.319 Testament ritual washings. It never refers to Christian baptism. And 0:09:13.320 --> 0:09:15.420 so what he is saying, that's how I know that 0:09:15.420 --> 0:09:19.410 all these things refer to Old Testament ideas. He says 0:09:19.410 --> 0:09:22.500 we need to move on from those Old Testament ideas 0:09:22.500 --> 0:09:25.290 to their fulfillment in Jesus, and then we'll have a 0:09:25.290 --> 0:09:27.900 mature faith. And so what is he saying? He's saying 0:09:27.929 --> 0:09:29.970 to people who are thinking about bailing, I know you 0:09:29.970 --> 0:09:32.400 don't know the Lord, but you need to move on 0:09:32.429 --> 0:09:36.150 to a fully or full, complete faith in Jesus. And 0:09:36.150 --> 0:09:38.670 then he gives a warning. And the warning is, once 0:09:38.670 --> 0:09:42.840 we come as close as you have come, if you bail, 0:09:42.840 --> 0:09:45.809 it's impossible to renew you to repentance. You have come 0:09:45.840 --> 0:09:48.230 closer and closer and closer. So much that people even 0:09:48.260 --> 0:09:51.230 think you're a believer, but you're not. He says you've 0:09:51.260 --> 0:09:53.569 been enlightened. You know that Jesus is the Messiah. You've 0:09:53.600 --> 0:09:57.230 tasted the heavenly gift, uh, and you became companions with 0:09:57.230 --> 0:09:59.270 the Holy Spirit. You got to partake in the events 0:09:59.270 --> 0:10:01.550 of the Holy Spirit right here in this congregation that 0:10:01.550 --> 0:10:03.679 you're part of. You've tasted the good word of God. 0:10:03.679 --> 0:10:05.990 You've heard it preached, you've seen the powers of the 0:10:06.230 --> 0:10:09.650 coming age. You've seen all these things. You know, this 0:10:09.650 --> 0:10:13.100 is true, and yet you haven't made a personal decision. 0:10:13.100 --> 0:10:16.579 And if you bail now, if you don't put your 0:10:16.580 --> 0:10:19.520 trust in Jesus now, but you bail, it will be impossible. 0:10:19.520 --> 0:10:22.370 And I would think this is, humanly speaking, it will 0:10:22.400 --> 0:10:27.679 be impossible to renew you to repentance. And that's humanly speaking. Now, 0:10:27.710 --> 0:10:29.990 of course, I think God can renew anyone's repentance at 0:10:29.990 --> 0:10:33.109 any time, but generally speaking, he's saying is if you 0:10:33.110 --> 0:10:38.329 get this close and then you abandon, then your hearts 0:10:38.330 --> 0:10:41.569 are hardened and you won't come back. And so I 0:10:41.570 --> 0:10:44.329 think it's a I call it the close but no 0:10:44.330 --> 0:10:50.300 cigar Warning that you've come this close. You've been raised 0:10:50.300 --> 0:10:54.350 with this Old Testament teaching. But you. But now you're 0:10:54.350 --> 0:10:57.679 thinking of going back to Non-messianic Judaism. And if you 0:10:57.679 --> 0:11:00.110 do that, it's going to be really bad for you. Now, 0:11:00.110 --> 0:11:03.290 this is a passage that Eve and I have talked 0:11:03.290 --> 0:11:04.370 about many times. 0:11:04.400 --> 0:11:06.350 It's like, I understand it. That's good, that's good. And 0:11:06.350 --> 0:11:08.449 then six months later, could we go over that Hebrews 0:11:08.450 --> 0:11:11.449 six thing again? Because I don't understand it as much 0:11:11.450 --> 0:11:12.650 as I did when we were talking. 0:11:12.740 --> 0:11:15.050 That was Eva a long time ago. Now she she. 0:11:15.170 --> 0:11:17.900 I've got it now. Yeah. I can understand how it 0:11:17.900 --> 0:11:19.370 keeps coming up in people's thoughts. 0:11:19.370 --> 0:11:22.550 But it's so encouraging to know. I love what he 0:11:22.550 --> 0:11:25.550 says in verse nine. We mentioned it already, uh, where 0:11:25.550 --> 0:11:28.580 he says, even though we are speaking this way, dear friends, 0:11:28.580 --> 0:11:32.990 in your case, we're confident of better things connected with salvation. 0:11:33.020 --> 0:11:36.680 We are confident that you know the Lord and that 0:11:36.679 --> 0:11:39.949 you really are his child and you're not going to bail, 0:11:39.980 --> 0:11:47.450 because what's the evidence of of election? It's endurance staying faithful. 0:11:47.450 --> 0:11:50.059 And he says, you know, you're going to stay faithful. 0:11:50.059 --> 0:11:52.459 And then you'll demonstrate that you really did know the Lord. 0:11:52.460 --> 0:11:54.890 That's his great confidence for them. So people shouldn't look 0:11:54.920 --> 0:11:57.500 at this as worrisome. But I'll tell you what we 0:11:57.500 --> 0:12:01.640 should do. We should examine ourselves, not worry about the future. 0:12:01.670 --> 0:12:04.070 Examine ourselves. Are we in the faith now? Have we 0:12:04.070 --> 0:12:05.930 really trusted in Jesus? Are we not trusting in our 0:12:05.929 --> 0:12:08.000 own good deeds? Do we believe he died for our 0:12:08.000 --> 0:12:12.079 sins and rose again? If that's the case, stick with it. 0:12:12.080 --> 0:12:15.859 That's our faithfulness. But if you think, yeah, I've been 0:12:15.860 --> 0:12:19.250 kind of around this stuff. I was raised in the church. 0:12:19.429 --> 0:12:23.059 I've seen this stuff, but I haven't really put my 0:12:23.059 --> 0:12:27.320 trust in Jesus. Well, that's that's the thing to do. 0:12:27.350 --> 0:12:31.070 We need to put our trust in Jesus. Well, we 0:12:31.070 --> 0:12:34.640 are going to be right back with more of your 0:12:34.640 --> 0:12:36.740 questions in just a moment. You're listening to Michael Radonich, 0:12:36.770 --> 0:12:39.679 Trish McMillan and Eva Radulovic as we talk about your 0:12:39.679 --> 0:13:02.210 questions from the Word of God. 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She's a professor at Moody Bible Institute, and 0:13:48.090 --> 0:13:51.480 she also is a contributor to the Moody Bible Commentary. 0:13:51.480 --> 0:13:55.109 And amazingly, she shares my last name. And I guess 0:13:55.110 --> 0:13:57.450 it's because we're married. And then also with me is 0:13:57.450 --> 0:14:02.100 Tricia McMillan, the producer of Open Line. She's the one who, uh, 0:14:02.970 --> 0:14:08.040 generally puts the program together every weekend. She's the one 0:14:08.040 --> 0:14:11.100 that sets up your calls and makes sure that everything 0:14:11.100 --> 0:14:13.560 is going smoothly. And she is here. She's put the 0:14:13.559 --> 0:14:17.550 mailbag together, and so she's the one asking the questions today. 0:14:17.550 --> 0:14:20.790 And Eva is the one who usually answers them via text. 0:14:20.820 --> 0:14:25.230 But today, she's right here to do that. Well, Trish, uh, 0:14:25.230 --> 0:14:26.670 we got more here, right? 0:14:26.700 --> 0:14:28.440 We do. We're going to keep we're going to kind 0:14:28.470 --> 0:14:32.880 of stay with that salvation. Can you loser salvation topic. Uh, 0:14:32.880 --> 0:14:35.790 Wendy had a question. She's in Indianapolis, Indiana, listens to 0:14:35.820 --> 0:14:39.660 where she and her husband were discussing the elect, and 0:14:39.660 --> 0:14:41.980 she was wondering first if it's possible for one of 0:14:41.980 --> 0:14:45.100 the chosen to not respond to the call. And second, 0:14:45.100 --> 0:14:47.590 if one of the chosen or elect does not respond, 0:14:47.590 --> 0:14:49.750 and calling the name of Jesus calling the name of 0:14:49.750 --> 0:14:51.670 the Lord Jesus, will that person still be admitted to 0:14:51.700 --> 0:14:54.070 heaven because they're elect? 0:14:54.100 --> 0:14:56.350 Okay, I think we can look back again at that 0:14:56.350 --> 0:14:59.140 passage out of John chapter six that we looked at 0:14:59.140 --> 0:15:02.770 in the answer to the previous caller's question, writer's question. 0:15:02.800 --> 0:15:02.979 Right. 0:15:03.010 --> 0:15:07.900 A writer's question, right? Um, but, uh, he says all 0:15:07.900 --> 0:15:11.890 that the father gives me will come to me. They 0:15:11.890 --> 0:15:14.860 will come. So if a person is elect, they are 0:15:14.860 --> 0:15:17.350 going to come to Jesus. And the one who comes 0:15:17.350 --> 0:15:20.650 to me, I will certainly not cast out. So if 0:15:20.650 --> 0:15:23.860 a person comes, it's not they they're not going to 0:15:23.860 --> 0:15:26.050 be cast out. So there's a couple of principles that 0:15:26.050 --> 0:15:27.760 we see here. First of all, that if you are 0:15:27.760 --> 0:15:31.360 elect an answer to Wendy's question, you will respond to 0:15:31.390 --> 0:15:34.210 the call of Jesus. And that that will be a 0:15:34.210 --> 0:15:36.940 a permanent response, because it says, for I have not 0:15:36.940 --> 0:15:39.940 come down from heaven not to do my own will, 0:15:39.970 --> 0:15:42.550 but the will of him who sent me. And it's 0:15:42.580 --> 0:15:46.090 God's will that. That of all that he has given me, 0:15:46.090 --> 0:15:48.310 I will lose nothing, but will raise him up on 0:15:48.310 --> 0:15:49.120 the last day. 0:15:49.150 --> 0:15:51.430 Yeah. So what was the second part of that question 0:15:51.430 --> 0:15:52.180 that she had? 0:15:52.300 --> 0:15:56.110 If someone is elect or chosen and doesn't respond, will 0:15:56.110 --> 0:15:57.700 that person still be admitted to heaven? 0:15:57.730 --> 0:15:59.080 That's just not a possibility. 0:15:59.080 --> 0:16:01.660 Because if you are elect and chosen, you will respond. 0:16:01.720 --> 0:16:02.530 Will respond. Right? 0:16:02.560 --> 0:16:04.359 And the thing is, when people respond, do you think 0:16:04.360 --> 0:16:07.870 they are responding because they know that they're elect? No, no, 0:16:07.900 --> 0:16:11.050 they don't know they're elect. I love that quote. Uh, 0:16:11.410 --> 0:16:14.950 I think it was Spurgeon, but it was Warren Wiersbe 0:16:14.950 --> 0:16:15.760 that I heard quoted. 0:16:15.760 --> 0:16:16.330 But the door. 0:16:16.360 --> 0:16:19.720 Of the door where he said, as you enter the 0:16:19.900 --> 0:16:22.359 getting saved, coming to know the Lord is sort of 0:16:22.390 --> 0:16:24.700 like seeing a door with a sign above it that says, 0:16:24.700 --> 0:16:28.810 whosoever will may come. And then you walk through the door, 0:16:28.900 --> 0:16:30.430 and the other side says. 0:16:30.460 --> 0:16:32.530 Chosen before the foundation of the world. Yeah. 0:16:32.560 --> 0:16:36.430 And I just think that that's so true. And that 0:16:36.430 --> 0:16:39.340 same day I remember, uh, it was my first week 0:16:39.340 --> 0:16:42.790 at Moody Bible Institute as a student. So we're talking 0:16:43.030 --> 0:16:48.190 years ago. I remember President Lincoln had just been inaugurated, and, uh, 0:16:48.190 --> 0:16:50.229 it was a long time ago. And Warren Wiersbe was 0:16:50.230 --> 0:16:52.540 the pastor there, and he talked about Ephesians one. That 0:16:52.540 --> 0:16:55.450 was he was teaching the college age Sunday school class, 0:16:55.450 --> 0:17:02.110 and he talked about, uh, uh, about election that day. 0:17:02.110 --> 0:17:06.940 And he said, uh, try to explain election. You'll lose 0:17:06.940 --> 0:17:10.840 your mind. Try to explain it away. You'll lose your soul. 0:17:11.410 --> 0:17:14.859 And I just I so appreciated what he had to 0:17:14.859 --> 0:17:17.650 say about it, that there is something mysterious there. 0:17:17.680 --> 0:17:20.320 Right? We want to put God in a box and 0:17:20.320 --> 0:17:23.020 understand every single little bit. But really, God's ways are 0:17:23.020 --> 0:17:25.869 higher than our ways. His thoughts are higher than our thoughts. 0:17:25.869 --> 0:17:26.980 We can live with that tension. 0:17:27.010 --> 0:17:29.709 Yeah, we can live with it. That's right. Uh, it's. 0:17:29.890 --> 0:17:31.960 And I'll get it right this time. It's one of 0:17:31.960 --> 0:17:35.530 the things that I have discovered. It's about sovereignty, free will, 0:17:35.570 --> 0:17:41.540 About election and responding with faith. It's like I read 0:17:41.540 --> 0:17:45.530 this book about science. It was called It Doesn't Matter. 0:17:45.530 --> 0:17:48.470 But the point of it is it says that even 0:17:48.470 --> 0:17:50.210 in science, there are things that are taken by faith 0:17:50.210 --> 0:17:53.209 that we just can't comprehend. That light is said to 0:17:53.210 --> 0:17:57.020 be made of waves, and it's also made of particles. 0:17:57.020 --> 0:17:59.990 And it can't be both. And yet it is. And 0:17:59.990 --> 0:18:02.300 people say, well, how can God have sovereign election? And 0:18:02.300 --> 0:18:06.350 we have to respond with faith? Well, because then it's 0:18:06.350 --> 0:18:09.919 not not faith anymore. If God. Well, they're both true. 0:18:09.950 --> 0:18:13.880 We have to respond. And yet God chooses and they're 0:18:13.880 --> 0:18:18.889 both true. And and it's just how how you live. So. 0:18:19.190 --> 0:18:21.560 All right. Thank you. I hope for all of you 0:18:21.590 --> 0:18:23.840 who've had that question. I hope this clears it up 0:18:23.840 --> 0:18:25.130 for you a little bit. 0:18:25.160 --> 0:18:25.670 Just live with. 0:18:25.670 --> 0:18:28.939 It. Right? Live with it. Right. Um, but there's so 0:18:28.940 --> 0:18:32.119 much there to unpack. Yeah. Um, crystal has a question 0:18:32.540 --> 0:18:37.350 out of Luke 12, Verses 41 to 48. 0:18:37.890 --> 0:18:39.390 See those pages turning? I love. 0:18:39.390 --> 0:18:44.040 That. Um, this is a parable. The Lord Jesus is telling. 0:18:44.040 --> 0:18:46.680 She wants to know if this is punishment for unbelievers 0:18:46.680 --> 0:18:52.320 or for believers. She said, it's the, um, the UN. Uh, 0:18:52.320 --> 0:18:53.310 I'm trying to find it here. 0:18:53.340 --> 0:18:55.770 I found it. The who, then, is the faithful and 0:18:55.770 --> 0:18:58.800 sensible manager. His master will put in charge of his 0:18:58.800 --> 0:19:01.169 household servants to give them their allotted food at the 0:19:01.170 --> 0:19:04.410 proper time. That slave whose master finds him working when 0:19:04.410 --> 0:19:07.619 he comes will be rewarded. I tell you the truth. 0:19:07.619 --> 0:19:10.050 He will put him in charge of all his possessions. 0:19:10.050 --> 0:19:12.870 But if that slave says in his heart, my master 0:19:12.869 --> 0:19:14.820 is delaying his coming, and he starts to beat the 0:19:14.820 --> 0:19:17.219 male and female slaves, and to eat and drink and 0:19:17.220 --> 0:19:20.010 get drunk, this slave's master will come on a day 0:19:20.010 --> 0:19:22.830 he does not expect him, and at hour he does 0:19:22.830 --> 0:19:25.859 not know. He will cut him to pieces and assign 0:19:25.859 --> 0:19:28.530 him a place with unbelievers. And the slave who knew 0:19:28.560 --> 0:19:30.750 his master's will and didn't prepare himself to do it, 0:19:30.780 --> 0:19:33.480 will be severely beaten. But the one who did not 0:19:33.480 --> 0:19:36.899 know and did things deserving of lows will be beaten lightly. 0:19:37.020 --> 0:19:40.320 Much will be required of everyone who has been given much, 0:19:40.320 --> 0:19:43.200 and even more will be expected of those who have 0:19:43.200 --> 0:19:45.330 been entrusted to more with more. 0:19:45.359 --> 0:19:48.150 So Crystal says to her, it sounds like the believer 0:19:48.150 --> 0:19:50.040 has stopped looking for his master and in the end 0:19:50.070 --> 0:19:52.859 is punished as an unbeliever. But I thought a person 0:19:52.859 --> 0:19:56.580 couldn't lose their salvation. So where does this parable fit 0:19:56.580 --> 0:20:00.480 into what we were just talking about? Or or does it? 0:20:02.609 --> 0:20:03.330 Uh, I think. 0:20:03.359 --> 0:20:06.149 It's important to always understand the, the the point of 0:20:06.150 --> 0:20:09.720 the parable. I don't think this is Jesus is really 0:20:09.720 --> 0:20:14.220 talking about rewards and punishment as far as being having 0:20:14.220 --> 0:20:16.530 a right relationship with God as we think about being 0:20:16.530 --> 0:20:19.500 a believer or not a believer. I think the the 0:20:19.500 --> 0:20:23.850 issue of this parable is more about being faithful with 0:20:23.850 --> 0:20:25.560 what you have been given. Mhm. 0:20:26.730 --> 0:20:27.450 Yeah, I. 0:20:27.450 --> 0:20:30.630 Think that's true. And and here's what, what I think 0:20:30.630 --> 0:20:34.980 about This is that, first of all, we have to 0:20:35.010 --> 0:20:38.970 be governed by what the plain teaching of Scripture says. 0:20:39.180 --> 0:20:42.869 When I first came to Moody Bible Institute, I remember 0:20:42.869 --> 0:20:45.870 I had a spiritual life course and Mr. Winslett was 0:20:45.869 --> 0:20:50.399 the professor. And I asked him, he started off with, 0:20:50.430 --> 0:20:53.220 your spiritual life starts with your security knowing that we 0:20:53.250 --> 0:20:56.670 are secure in him. And I raised Hebrews six and 0:20:56.670 --> 0:20:58.800 I got to tell you, he gave probably a better 0:20:58.800 --> 0:21:03.899 explanation than I tried last segment, but nevertheless I couldn't 0:21:03.900 --> 0:21:07.740 hear it. I couldn't understand it. And I kept pushing 0:21:07.740 --> 0:21:10.560 him and pushing him and pushing him. And finally I 0:21:10.560 --> 0:21:14.370 was just an annoying student. Annoying student. Anyway. So finally 0:21:14.369 --> 0:21:17.310 he said to me and he always called me my brother. 0:21:17.340 --> 0:21:19.050 He said, I'm going to tell you what you need 0:21:19.050 --> 0:21:23.340 to know. He says, always interpret the unclear in light 0:21:23.369 --> 0:21:26.670 of the clear. And then he just listed off all 0:21:26.670 --> 0:21:29.970 these verses from John six that we mentioned, and John 0:21:29.970 --> 0:21:31.840 ten that nothing will ever pluck us out of the 0:21:31.840 --> 0:21:35.379 father and the son's hands. And that nothing will separate 0:21:35.380 --> 0:21:36.879 us from the love of God. 0:21:36.910 --> 0:21:38.440 Romans eight. Romans eight. Yeah. 0:21:38.560 --> 0:21:41.740 And I mean, he started boom, boom, boom. Passage after 0:21:41.740 --> 0:21:45.669 passage after passage. He says, there's nothing clearer in Scripture 0:21:45.670 --> 0:21:48.609 that we are secure. So you're going to find an 0:21:48.609 --> 0:21:52.690 obscure passage, a parable, let's say Hebrews six, and you're 0:21:52.690 --> 0:21:56.889 going to throw out everything that's clear because of something 0:21:56.890 --> 0:22:00.820 that's unclear to you. He says, just presume that the 0:22:00.820 --> 0:22:04.600 clear teachings of Scripture are true, and then interpret the 0:22:04.600 --> 0:22:08.139 unclear in light of that. And so I think that 0:22:08.140 --> 0:22:10.360 that's what we ought to do. I think when it's 0:22:10.359 --> 0:22:15.280 talking about people, if they are indeed being, uh, disciplined 0:22:15.280 --> 0:22:19.810 here or punished, I would say not disciplined. Uh, then 0:22:19.810 --> 0:22:22.540 this parable is teaching that there may be people who 0:22:22.540 --> 0:22:27.609 are professing faith, thinking they genuinely believe in the master 0:22:27.640 --> 0:22:30.050 or have him as a master, but then they see 0:22:30.080 --> 0:22:32.480 he's not coming, so they're not going to live for 0:22:32.480 --> 0:22:36.140 him because they really don't trust him. And that's why 0:22:36.140 --> 0:22:38.659 they will. You know, some who are punished will be 0:22:38.660 --> 0:22:44.060 punished worse for their failings. Uh, those who know more 0:22:44.060 --> 0:22:46.880 will be punished more. And those who know less will 0:22:46.880 --> 0:22:51.770 be punished less. But everyone will will face the judge. 0:22:51.770 --> 0:22:53.510 And that's what the outcome will be. But I don't 0:22:53.510 --> 0:22:56.660 think it's loss of salvation. It's demonstrating that they never 0:22:56.660 --> 0:22:57.620 really had it. 0:22:57.619 --> 0:23:01.430 So all right. Thanks, Crystal, for that question. Our next 0:23:01.430 --> 0:23:05.000 question is from Barb in Spokane, Washington. Listens to w sorry, 0:23:05.030 --> 0:23:08.330 listens to KMP. Um, she said, thinking in terms of 0:23:08.330 --> 0:23:12.680 Romans 116 that everyone who believes receives salvation and Ephesians 0:23:12.680 --> 0:23:15.860 two eight and nine for by grace sorry, for you 0:23:15.890 --> 0:23:18.800 are saved by grace through faith. And this not of yourselves, 0:23:18.800 --> 0:23:22.490 it is the gift of God. Um, or is having 0:23:22.490 --> 0:23:26.420 faith and believing synonymous, or is it a two step process? 0:23:26.450 --> 0:23:28.550 Do we bring belief to the table. And then God 0:23:28.550 --> 0:23:30.859 supplies the faith. I know we're dead in our sins, 0:23:30.859 --> 0:23:34.159 but if we show interest, then God provides the faith 0:23:34.160 --> 0:23:36.889 that we need. Or is God providing the belief and 0:23:36.890 --> 0:23:38.210 the faith as a gift? 0:23:38.390 --> 0:23:40.910 She's she's really confused about what is faith and what 0:23:40.910 --> 0:23:41.419 is belief. 0:23:41.450 --> 0:23:43.460 Yeah, she seems to think they're two totally different things, right? 0:23:43.490 --> 0:23:45.859 Yeah, yeah. But the Greek word in the New Testament 0:23:45.859 --> 0:23:49.520 for faith pisteuo also is translated believe. 0:23:49.550 --> 0:23:50.000 Right. 0:23:50.270 --> 0:23:54.169 They it's the same word. Uh, to have faith and 0:23:54.170 --> 0:23:57.590 to believe mean exactly the same thing. And so when 0:23:57.590 --> 0:24:00.200 you see believe or faith, it's the same word. 0:24:00.200 --> 0:24:01.520 It's not a two step process. 0:24:01.520 --> 0:24:02.510 It's not a two step process. 0:24:02.570 --> 0:24:03.080 Same thing. 0:24:03.320 --> 0:24:06.950 Yeah, it's the same exact thing. And in Ephesians two 0:24:06.980 --> 0:24:09.680 eight and nine where it says that by grace are 0:24:09.680 --> 0:24:11.930 you saved through faith? Not of works, lest any man 0:24:11.930 --> 0:24:15.139 should boast. It is the gift of God. It is 0:24:15.140 --> 0:24:20.419 not faith that's the gift. It's salvation. That's the gift. Uh, 0:24:20.420 --> 0:24:23.270 that's what it's referring to. Uh, God doesn't give us 0:24:23.270 --> 0:24:26.689 faith as a gift. Now, what he does do. and 0:24:26.720 --> 0:24:30.859 I'm going to just what God does is I think 0:24:30.890 --> 0:24:34.190 a really good illustration of it is in acts 16, 0:24:34.190 --> 0:24:36.170 I'm going to have you read the verse. I'm going 0:24:36.200 --> 0:24:39.980 to tell her it's acts 16, and the reason I'm 0:24:39.980 --> 0:24:41.420 going to have her read the verse, because I'm trying. 0:24:41.450 --> 0:24:45.830 I think her version actually translates it better. She reads 0:24:45.830 --> 0:24:49.760 the New American Standard, which she thinks that Moses and. 0:24:49.760 --> 0:24:51.020 Paul actually has an. 0:24:51.020 --> 0:24:51.800 Autographed copy. 0:24:51.830 --> 0:24:52.070 Yeah. 0:24:52.580 --> 0:24:52.850 Yeah. 0:24:52.970 --> 0:24:53.780 That's right. 0:24:54.320 --> 0:25:02.300 It says in acts 16 and it's verse, uh uh, 1414. 0:25:02.300 --> 0:25:02.690 Yeah. 0:25:02.720 --> 0:25:03.620 The second half. 0:25:03.650 --> 0:25:04.399 I want to read that. 0:25:04.580 --> 0:25:06.980 It says a woman named Lydia from the from the 0:25:07.340 --> 0:25:11.750 city of Thyatira, a seller of purple fabric, a worshiper 0:25:11.750 --> 0:25:15.290 of God was listening. And the Lord opened her heart 0:25:15.290 --> 0:25:17.510 to respond to the things spoken by Paul. 0:25:17.540 --> 0:25:18.620 Why do we believe? 0:25:18.890 --> 0:25:20.120 Because God opens our hearts. 0:25:20.150 --> 0:25:22.550 That's why we'll be back with more of your questions 0:25:22.550 --> 0:25:24.620 in just a moment. Don't go away. This is Michael 0:25:24.619 --> 0:25:28.530 Ray Dolnick on open line. Stay with us. Have you 0:25:28.530 --> 0:25:31.080 ever wondered how we got the Bible? The story of 0:25:31.080 --> 0:25:34.230 the Bible by Carl Laney takes you on a fascinating 0:25:34.230 --> 0:25:38.970 journey through scriptures from divine inspiration to modern translations. Doctor 0:25:38.970 --> 0:25:42.060 Laney reveals how God gave us his word. This book 0:25:42.060 --> 0:25:45.900 will deepen your confidence in the Bible's reliability while answering 0:25:45.900 --> 0:25:49.409 questions you've always had. 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And joining 0:26:38.740 --> 0:26:41.740 me today is my best friend, my colleague at Moody, 0:26:41.770 --> 0:26:44.380 my fellow contributor to the Moody Bible Institute, and my 0:26:44.380 --> 0:26:48.369 wife Eva Radonich. Also here is Tricia McMillan, producer of 0:26:48.369 --> 0:26:51.550 Open Line. She's compiled all the questions you've sent, and 0:26:51.550 --> 0:26:53.980 she is in studio right now, and she's the one 0:26:53.980 --> 0:26:58.180 who is controlling everything. She decides what questions will be answered. 0:26:58.180 --> 0:27:00.729 So those of you out there who are listening and 0:27:00.730 --> 0:27:03.580 you say, Michael, you didn't answer the question I wrote in. Yeah. 0:27:03.580 --> 0:27:04.960 I'm sorry. It's Trisha's fault. 0:27:04.990 --> 0:27:05.889 That's all I have to say. 0:27:06.130 --> 0:27:07.120 Thanks. 0:27:09.910 --> 0:27:11.320 Okay, so what's our next question? 0:27:11.350 --> 0:27:13.660 All right. Our next question is from Betty. She says 0:27:13.660 --> 0:27:16.360 in revelation 21 three. Does it say we will see 0:27:16.390 --> 0:27:19.480 God when we get to heaven? So the verse says, 0:27:19.480 --> 0:27:21.940 then I heard a loud voice from the throne, look, 0:27:21.940 --> 0:27:25.300 God's dwelling is with humanity and he will live with them. 0:27:25.300 --> 0:27:28.180 They will be his people, and God himself will be 0:27:28.180 --> 0:27:31.120 with them and be their God. So will we. Will 0:27:31.119 --> 0:27:32.230 we see God? 0:27:32.650 --> 0:27:37.150 Well, this is one of the things that I say 0:27:37.150 --> 0:27:39.190 all the time that no man has ever seen God. 0:27:39.190 --> 0:27:42.040 But who has revealed him? The son. 0:27:42.040 --> 0:27:42.399 Son? 0:27:42.430 --> 0:27:45.070 Yeah. And the only time we'll ever see God is 0:27:45.070 --> 0:27:48.010 the Lord Jesus. Now it says that the Lord will 0:27:48.010 --> 0:27:51.190 dwell with humanity. But in what sense will he dwell 0:27:51.190 --> 0:27:54.400 with humanity in eternity? In the person of the Lord 0:27:54.400 --> 0:27:57.970 Jesus in the second person? So even though it doesn't 0:27:57.970 --> 0:28:01.330 state that there's no other way it can be that 0:28:01.330 --> 0:28:04.630 he will dwell with humanity in the sense that he 0:28:04.630 --> 0:28:07.420 is the Lord. The Lord Jesus is fully God. He 0:28:07.420 --> 0:28:09.640 is the one that will rule over us for eternity. 0:28:09.670 --> 0:28:12.280 We can't see God the Father because he is a spirit. 0:28:12.280 --> 0:28:15.010 When he has been revealed in places like Daniel seven. 0:28:15.010 --> 0:28:18.010 It's a vision. It is not an actual seeing of 0:28:18.010 --> 0:28:21.369 God we cannot see. Jesus said the Lord Jesus said, 0:28:21.369 --> 0:28:23.409 God is a spirit must be worshiped in spirit and 0:28:23.410 --> 0:28:26.320 in truth. We cannot see God the Father because he 0:28:26.350 --> 0:28:28.870 is a spirit and you can't see His Spirit. But 0:28:28.869 --> 0:28:32.020 God will be with us forever and lead us forever 0:28:32.020 --> 0:28:34.000 because he is the Lord Jesus. 0:28:34.390 --> 0:28:38.320 And it just says, God and the Lord Jesus is God. Yeah, so. 0:28:38.320 --> 0:28:42.970 So I just don't. I'm convinced that we will not 0:28:42.970 --> 0:28:44.650 see God the Father, but we will see God the 0:28:44.650 --> 0:28:49.420 Son for all eternity. And actually, you know what Jesus said, 0:28:49.420 --> 0:28:51.280 if that's not enough for you, I and the father 0:28:51.310 --> 0:28:52.720 are one. I don't see why that would be a 0:28:52.720 --> 0:28:57.640 problem for anyone. Uh, we'll see him. Not just. I 0:28:57.640 --> 0:29:00.550 find it interesting that in revelation one, when the Lord 0:29:00.550 --> 0:29:05.860 Jesus is depicted, uh, he is not depicted as he 0:29:05.860 --> 0:29:11.830 is shown in the Gospels. In the Gospels, I it's 0:29:11.830 --> 0:29:15.280 it's like what we see is Jesus as every man. 0:29:15.640 --> 0:29:18.370 He looks like ordinary. He looks like it's not that 0:29:18.370 --> 0:29:18.910 he looks. 0:29:18.940 --> 0:29:21.380 They had they wouldn't recognize him in the garden if 0:29:21.380 --> 0:29:22.970 Judas hadn't pointed him out. 0:29:23.000 --> 0:29:26.090 He looked like a normal person, an ordinary person. Uh, 0:29:26.690 --> 0:29:29.150 and Isaiah 53, it talks about how he didn't have 0:29:29.150 --> 0:29:33.530 royal bearing. He didn't have any special super charisma. He 0:29:33.560 --> 0:29:37.550 he's just ordinary. When we think of Superman and Clark Kent. 0:29:37.580 --> 0:29:41.930 Clark Kent looks ordinary. And then, of course, Superman is 0:29:41.930 --> 0:29:46.520 the all powerful superhero. Well, in revelation one, when the 0:29:46.520 --> 0:29:53.780 Lord Jesus is depicted, he's not depicted as ordinary. It says, uh, 0:29:54.260 --> 0:29:59.870 that I saw. This is in, uh, verse 1813. And 0:29:59.870 --> 0:30:02.270 among the lampstands was one like the Son of Man, 0:30:02.270 --> 0:30:04.880 dressed in a long robe with a gold sash wrapped 0:30:04.880 --> 0:30:09.020 around his chest. His head and hair were white like wool, 0:30:09.020 --> 0:30:13.100 white as snow, and his eyes were like a fiery flame. 0:30:13.100 --> 0:30:16.160 His feet were like fine bronze as it is fired 0:30:16.160 --> 0:30:18.350 in a furnace, and his voice like the sound of 0:30:18.360 --> 0:30:22.800 cascading waters like Niagara Falls. And so the point of 0:30:22.800 --> 0:30:26.610 this is when Jesus is depicted in his glory. He 0:30:26.610 --> 0:30:31.860 looks somewhat like the father's depiction in Daniel seven, right? 0:30:31.890 --> 0:30:35.490 And I believe that the reason for this is because 0:30:35.490 --> 0:30:39.600 in his glory in John 17, what the Lord Jesus 0:30:39.600 --> 0:30:47.220 says is that now glorified I have glorified you. He says, uh, 0:30:47.220 --> 0:30:50.220 for example, in verse four, I have glorified you on 0:30:50.220 --> 0:30:54.719 the earth by completing the work you gave me to do. Now, father, 0:30:54.750 --> 0:30:58.860 glorify me in your presence with that glory I had 0:30:58.860 --> 0:31:03.210 with you before the world existed. And so in his glorified, 0:31:03.210 --> 0:31:07.110 exalted state, the Lord Jesus doesn't look like every man anymore. 0:31:07.110 --> 0:31:10.470 Now he's got the image of the glorified, of the 0:31:10.470 --> 0:31:12.900 glorified father. That's what he says right there. And the 0:31:12.900 --> 0:31:16.110 father answers that prayer. And so we're not going to 0:31:16.110 --> 0:31:19.060 be disappointed, Like, oh, Jesus, looks so ordinary. I don't 0:31:19.060 --> 0:31:21.730 want to be with him and see him for eternity. No, 0:31:21.730 --> 0:31:24.190 we're going to be in the presence of very God, 0:31:24.190 --> 0:31:26.530 and he is glorious, and he is the one that 0:31:26.560 --> 0:31:27.430 reveals God to us. 0:31:27.460 --> 0:31:30.190 And taking you back to that revelation 21 passage, it 0:31:30.190 --> 0:31:32.380 opens up with, he heard. I heard a loud voice 0:31:32.410 --> 0:31:34.900 from the throne saying, behold, the tabernacle of God is 0:31:34.900 --> 0:31:37.690 among men. So she says, isn't this God the Father 0:31:37.690 --> 0:31:40.810 that we're seeing here on this throne? Verse five says, 0:31:40.840 --> 0:31:43.510 And he who sits on the throne said, behold, I 0:31:43.540 --> 0:31:46.450 am making all things new. And he said, these words 0:31:46.450 --> 0:31:49.540 are faithful and true. It is done. I am the 0:31:49.540 --> 0:31:52.090 Alpha and the Omega, the beginning and the end, which 0:31:52.120 --> 0:31:55.690 is how Jesus is identified in chapter one, verse eight. Yeah. 0:31:55.720 --> 0:31:58.930 So clearly this is Jesus that we're seeing here in 0:31:58.930 --> 0:32:01.510 chapter 21, not God the Father. 0:32:02.800 --> 0:32:05.140 Thank you for that question, Betty, and thank you for 0:32:05.170 --> 0:32:11.680 that answer. Um, our next question is from, uh, Chris 0:32:11.710 --> 0:32:14.650 on Facebook wrote and wanted to know we're going back 0:32:14.650 --> 0:32:20.280 to parables. and Matthew 13. Uh, the parable of the weeds. Uh, 0:32:20.280 --> 0:32:24.930 Matthew 1324 through 29. Is this before or after the rapture, 0:32:24.960 --> 0:32:26.580 or is it about the rapture? 0:32:27.270 --> 0:32:29.640 The parable of the wheat and the chaff, is that it? 0:32:29.640 --> 0:32:30.750 Or the parable of the weeds? 0:32:30.780 --> 0:32:32.010 Parable of the weeds. 0:32:32.040 --> 0:32:32.550 I'll look it. 0:32:32.550 --> 0:32:34.590 Up. So the kingdom of heaven may be compared to 0:32:34.620 --> 0:32:37.410 a man who sowed good seed in his field. But 0:32:37.410 --> 0:32:39.990 while people were sleeping, his enemy came and sowed weeds 0:32:39.990 --> 0:32:43.229 among the wheat and left. When the plants sprouted and 0:32:43.230 --> 0:32:46.920 produced grain, then the weeds also appeared. The landowner slaves 0:32:46.920 --> 0:32:49.710 came to him and said, master, didn't you sow good 0:32:49.740 --> 0:32:52.410 seed in your field? Then where did the weeds come from? 0:32:52.410 --> 0:32:54.900 An enemy did this, he told them, so do you 0:32:54.900 --> 0:32:56.850 want us to go and gather them up? The slaves 0:32:56.880 --> 0:33:00.030 asked him. No, he said, when you gather up the weeds, 0:33:00.030 --> 0:33:02.970 you might also uproot the wheat with them. Let both 0:33:02.970 --> 0:33:06.030 grow together until the harvest. At harvest time, I'll tell the. 0:33:06.330 --> 0:33:08.880 I'll tell the reapers. Gather the weeds first and tie 0:33:08.880 --> 0:33:11.190 them in bundles to burn them. But store the wheat 0:33:11.190 --> 0:33:12.540 in my barn. Yeah. 0:33:12.960 --> 0:33:15.640 Well, before Michael answers this question, we'll do a little 0:33:15.670 --> 0:33:19.690 agricultural talk here that the word that's used for weeds 0:33:19.720 --> 0:33:22.960 is actually tares. And when those plants come up, those 0:33:22.960 --> 0:33:26.410 little plants, they look exactly like wheat coming up. So 0:33:26.410 --> 0:33:28.300 if you looked at the field, you wouldn't be able 0:33:28.300 --> 0:33:30.940 to tell that there had been anything wrong with the 0:33:30.940 --> 0:33:33.160 plants that were growing up there. It was only when 0:33:33.160 --> 0:33:36.040 they became mature and the wheat had the head on 0:33:36.040 --> 0:33:38.470 it that you would see, okay, that's the grain. And 0:33:38.470 --> 0:33:39.850 these other things are weeds. 0:33:40.720 --> 0:33:46.600 Uh, so, uh, some people think that among believers you 0:33:46.600 --> 0:33:48.370 can't tell those who are real believers and those who 0:33:48.400 --> 0:33:51.040 are not, and that they're growing up together. I really 0:33:51.040 --> 0:33:53.500 don't think that this is what it's about. It's talking 0:33:53.500 --> 0:33:56.320 about Earth and the kingdom of heaven, which is growing 0:33:56.320 --> 0:34:00.340 here on the earth. You know, Jesus is growing the kingdom, 0:34:00.370 --> 0:34:04.000 his rule on earth. And right here you've got people 0:34:04.000 --> 0:34:07.510 who are believers who look, I mean, you and I 0:34:07.510 --> 0:34:10.960 and Eva, we all look rather ordinary, you know, like 0:34:10.960 --> 0:34:14.690 regular people. And then if we walk out onto LaSalle Boulevard, 0:34:14.719 --> 0:34:17.600 there will be people who don't know the Lord and 0:34:17.600 --> 0:34:21.920 they look same as us. We're growing up together in 0:34:21.920 --> 0:34:24.530 this world. And so when the judgment time was going 0:34:24.530 --> 0:34:28.100 to come, uh, they said, do you want us to 0:34:28.130 --> 0:34:30.739 go and gather them up? He said, no. When you 0:34:30.770 --> 0:34:34.280 gather up the weeds, you might also uproot the wheat 0:34:34.280 --> 0:34:36.860 with them. So when judgment is going to fall on 0:34:36.860 --> 0:34:39.860 the earth, if you do it now, it's going to 0:34:39.890 --> 0:34:45.050 fall upon believers and non-believers alike. And so what's he say? 0:34:45.080 --> 0:34:47.900 Let both grow together. And what have we had since 0:34:47.900 --> 0:34:50.330 the first century? Since the birth of the church, we've 0:34:50.330 --> 0:34:54.500 had believers and non-believers, people who are followers of Jesus 0:34:54.530 --> 0:34:56.390 and people who are not followers of Jesus. And we 0:34:56.390 --> 0:34:59.180 look alike sort of to the outside, naked eye, but 0:34:59.180 --> 0:35:02.630 we're growing up together in this world. And then he 0:35:02.630 --> 0:35:05.930 says at harvest time, that's the judgment. Gather the weeds 0:35:05.930 --> 0:35:09.110 first and tie them in bundles to burn them. But 0:35:09.110 --> 0:35:12.469 store the wheat in my barn. So I think what 0:35:12.469 --> 0:35:15.170 it's talking about in the judgment, they're going to separate. 0:35:15.170 --> 0:35:18.230 And I actually think that what's going to happen for 0:35:18.230 --> 0:35:20.989 the church before judgment hits is we will be removed. 0:35:21.020 --> 0:35:24.710 We'll be gathered to the barn, so to speak, and then, uh, 0:35:24.710 --> 0:35:28.670 but I think it's a little bit hard, in my opinion, 0:35:28.670 --> 0:35:33.410 to force a pre-tribulation post-tribulational rapture on this. He is 0:35:33.500 --> 0:35:37.279 the Lord. Jesus is just saying that a believers and 0:35:37.280 --> 0:35:39.469 non-believers are going to be growing in this world together 0:35:39.469 --> 0:35:43.400 and be. When Judgment Day comes, God will separate them 0:35:43.550 --> 0:35:46.549 and the believers won't be judged, but this earth will 0:35:46.550 --> 0:35:50.450 be judged. That's what I think it's saying. Thank you. 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Listens to WNBA. 0:37:47.820 --> 0:37:50.910 She wants to know, is Paul the 12th apostle? 0:37:50.940 --> 0:37:53.790 Uh, you know, some people want to say that in 0:37:53.790 --> 0:37:57.060 acts one, when they chose to add a 12th disciple, 0:37:57.060 --> 0:37:59.460 that they made a mistake, that that God wanted them 0:37:59.460 --> 0:38:04.620 to wait for, uh, Paul to be the 12th disciple. 0:38:04.620 --> 0:38:07.169 I don't think that's a mistake. When you read acts 0:38:07.210 --> 0:38:09.970 one where Mattathias is chosen. There isn't a hint of 0:38:09.969 --> 0:38:13.930 condemnation or like they did something wrong. It is an 0:38:13.930 --> 0:38:17.230 act that is obviously led by the Holy Spirit when 0:38:17.230 --> 0:38:20.020 they choose lots. That's the last time because the church 0:38:20.050 --> 0:38:21.969 is born in acts two, and after that the Holy 0:38:21.969 --> 0:38:25.120 Spirit indwells believers and no longer does they do. They 0:38:25.120 --> 0:38:29.410 use lots to determine. But nevertheless, Mattathias is the one 0:38:29.410 --> 0:38:32.470 that is chosen, and it is rightly so. And the 0:38:32.469 --> 0:38:35.739 Holy Spirit leads the them with the lots, guides them 0:38:35.739 --> 0:38:41.469 to Mattathias. And the reason for it, I believe, is 0:38:41.469 --> 0:38:47.560 in Matthew 19 and Matthew 19. It says in verse 28, 0:38:47.560 --> 0:38:51.219 when it talks about the disciples, it says, I assure you. 0:38:51.250 --> 0:38:54.520 Jesus said to them, I assure you, in the Messianic age, 0:38:54.520 --> 0:38:57.399 when the Son of Man sits on his glorious throne, 0:38:57.400 --> 0:39:00.280 you who have followed me will also sit on 12 0:39:00.280 --> 0:39:04.330 thrones judging the 12 tribes of Israel. So there were 0:39:04.330 --> 0:39:09.279 apostles or the 12 apostles were the 12 apostles who 0:39:09.280 --> 0:39:12.219 would rule over Israel. They were functioning not as the 0:39:12.219 --> 0:39:14.890 foundation of the church in that way, but they were 0:39:14.890 --> 0:39:19.180 functioning as the leaders of Israel, the remnant of Israel. 0:39:19.180 --> 0:39:21.609 And they are part of the remnant of Israel. And 0:39:21.610 --> 0:39:24.940 they are going to be ruling over Israel in the kingdom. 0:39:24.940 --> 0:39:27.910 And so they needed to choose a 12th apostle to 0:39:27.940 --> 0:39:31.719 be an apostle to Israel. However, Paul comes along and 0:39:31.719 --> 0:39:34.600 he's not an apostle to Israel. He's an apostle to 0:39:34.630 --> 0:39:39.280 the uncircumcised. And so he he's genuinely apostle, but he's 0:39:39.280 --> 0:39:42.190 not one of the 12. He's an additional apostle, as 0:39:42.219 --> 0:39:47.859 is Barnabas, who will go to the Gentiles. And so, no, 0:39:47.860 --> 0:39:50.050 they did not make a mistake. Mattathias is the right 0:39:50.050 --> 0:39:54.549 one and Paul is additional apostle, one untimely born, he says. 0:39:54.760 --> 0:39:59.350 Because he apparently was among those unnamed earlier on who 0:39:59.350 --> 0:40:01.540 followed along with Jesus all along. And we know that 0:40:01.540 --> 0:40:02.680 Paul was not doing that. 0:40:02.710 --> 0:40:04.420 Yeah, he was there from the beginning. That's what they 0:40:04.420 --> 0:40:08.330 said they needed. And they also said that he testified 0:40:08.330 --> 0:40:10.790 of the resurrection. So obviously he was among them when 0:40:10.820 --> 0:40:14.089 the when the Lord Jesus appeared as a resurrected Lord. 0:40:14.090 --> 0:40:15.980 So good choice I would say. 0:40:16.010 --> 0:40:19.730 Mhm. Thanks, Denise, for that question. Jeremy wrote us and 0:40:19.730 --> 0:40:23.029 said I recently witnessed to a professing atheist in which 0:40:23.030 --> 0:40:25.700 he kind of discredited my view that Christianity was the 0:40:25.700 --> 0:40:30.590 only true religion because I had not read other religious texts, um, 0:40:30.620 --> 0:40:34.160 such as the Quran or or other books like that. 0:40:34.160 --> 0:40:38.420 I've studied the Mormon religion and have found and have found, um, 0:40:38.450 --> 0:40:40.850 faults that verify it's a false religion. But I haven't 0:40:40.850 --> 0:40:43.370 read the whole Book of Mormon. Um, it just seemed 0:40:43.370 --> 0:40:45.500 like my stance that I feel like I don't have 0:40:45.500 --> 0:40:47.930 to actually read other religious books to stand on my 0:40:47.930 --> 0:40:49.969 faith that the Bible is the true book of the 0:40:49.969 --> 0:40:53.930 only true religion. Christianity was not valid to him. How 0:40:53.930 --> 0:40:56.149 should I respond to someone who discredits me for not 0:40:56.150 --> 0:40:58.580 having read other religious books? When I tried to prove 0:40:58.580 --> 0:41:00.920 that Christianity is the only true religion? 0:41:01.160 --> 0:41:04.730 It's pretty. This is in today's pluralistic mindset. This is 0:41:04.730 --> 0:41:08.900 not an unusual question to have to come into contact with, 0:41:08.900 --> 0:41:10.820 but I think that the best answer we can get 0:41:10.820 --> 0:41:13.430 is what we learned from the bank. If you go 0:41:13.430 --> 0:41:16.940 to work as a teller in the bank, they one 0:41:16.940 --> 0:41:19.310 of the things that tellers have to do. Tellers have 0:41:19.310 --> 0:41:23.330 to be able to recognize counterfeit money. And the way 0:41:23.330 --> 0:41:26.509 that a teller is taught to recognize counterfeit money isn't 0:41:26.510 --> 0:41:29.000 by looking at 50 or 60 or 100 examples of 0:41:29.000 --> 0:41:32.330 counterfeit money. They're taught to recognize counterfeit money by knowing 0:41:32.360 --> 0:41:35.450 what the real money looks like, by knowing how the 0:41:35.450 --> 0:41:38.000 true looks that helps us when we come across anything 0:41:38.000 --> 0:41:39.950 that doesn't look like that true thing. Then we go, oh, 0:41:39.980 --> 0:41:43.310 that's suspicious. That's probably a counterfeit. So I think that 0:41:43.310 --> 0:41:46.730 the answer to this, you know, accusation is you haven't 0:41:46.730 --> 0:41:50.210 studied every false religion. It's fine. It's okay. I tell 0:41:50.210 --> 0:41:52.730 you what I know. I know that I've studied the 0:41:52.730 --> 0:41:55.640 true and buy the true. Then we can recognize the 0:41:55.640 --> 0:41:57.950 false and then challenge your friend. Why don't we take 0:41:57.950 --> 0:42:00.680 some time and read the Bible together and see what 0:42:00.680 --> 0:42:01.520 you think of it? 0:42:01.690 --> 0:42:04.480 Yeah. Study the truth. That's what I think now. I 0:42:04.480 --> 0:42:07.870 have to say, if I were specializing in working with 0:42:07.870 --> 0:42:13.569 some sect or some group, I would study it so 0:42:13.570 --> 0:42:16.180 I could help them see what I see from Scripture. 0:42:16.210 --> 0:42:16.870 Yes. 0:42:17.230 --> 0:42:21.370 But if just generally speaking, I don't. In fact. In fact, 0:42:21.400 --> 0:42:23.200 one of the things I discovered about Open Line when 0:42:23.200 --> 0:42:24.850 I first started doing it, I used to get a 0:42:24.850 --> 0:42:29.680 lot of questions about various cults of Christianity and different groups, 0:42:29.680 --> 0:42:33.580 and they wanted me to talk about other religions. And, 0:42:33.610 --> 0:42:36.700 you know, frankly, I'm not that good at it. Uh, 0:42:36.700 --> 0:42:38.830 and I used to say, well, I'll give you my answer, 0:42:38.830 --> 0:42:40.570 but really, what I know is the Bible. 0:42:41.440 --> 0:42:42.040 Right. 0:42:42.340 --> 0:42:45.819 And and I think people would say, oh, I'm sorry, 0:42:45.820 --> 0:42:48.100 this guy's not that good. But they I finally taught 0:42:48.100 --> 0:42:49.989 them not to ask me those questions so much. They 0:42:49.989 --> 0:42:52.120 mostly asked me the questions about the Bible. So one 0:42:52.120 --> 0:42:53.740 of the things that even I can do is we 0:42:53.739 --> 0:42:55.630 can talk about what the Talmud says and what the 0:42:55.630 --> 0:42:58.600 Midrash says and what the Mishnah says, because my special 0:42:58.600 --> 0:43:01.110 area of expertise is, is Judaism. And so I'd better 0:43:01.140 --> 0:43:03.840 know that. Yes. So it's not wrong to study other literature. 0:43:03.840 --> 0:43:06.090 It's just that the most important thing I can do 0:43:06.120 --> 0:43:07.920 is study the Bible. 0:43:07.950 --> 0:43:11.700 The true, the true. Yes. Okay. Thanks, Jeremy, for that question. 0:43:11.700 --> 0:43:14.850 I hope that is helpful for you as you continue 0:43:14.880 --> 0:43:18.480 having conversations with your friends. Our next question is from Marcia. 0:43:18.510 --> 0:43:21.360 She listens to us in Alberta, Canada, and she says, 0:43:21.360 --> 0:43:23.520 I've seen a version of the Bible that includes books 0:43:23.520 --> 0:43:27.000 like Tobit and Baruch and a few others. Were these 0:43:27.000 --> 0:43:29.640 books in the Jewish scriptures? If not, where did they 0:43:29.640 --> 0:43:32.009 come from and who decided to add them? 0:43:32.250 --> 0:43:36.240 Good, good observation of these books. Tobit and Baruch and 0:43:36.239 --> 0:43:40.080 some others like Maccabees and things. You'll sometimes see them 0:43:40.080 --> 0:43:41.940 at the end of the Old Testament, in between the 0:43:41.940 --> 0:43:43.980 Old Testament and the New Testament. In some versions of 0:43:43.980 --> 0:43:48.150 the Bible, they were never recognized as scripture by the 0:43:48.180 --> 0:43:51.810 in the Jewish canon, the Old Testament that we have 0:43:51.810 --> 0:43:56.820 running from Genesis to Malachi, and that is the that 0:43:56.820 --> 0:43:58.620 is the Old Testament that was always held to be 0:43:58.620 --> 0:44:00.930 the Old Testament by the Jewish people. That was the 0:44:00.930 --> 0:44:03.570 Old Testament during the time of Jesus. Of course, it 0:44:03.570 --> 0:44:05.520 was just called the Torah then, or. 0:44:05.520 --> 0:44:05.580 The. 0:44:05.610 --> 0:44:10.890 Tanakh or the Tanakh. Exactly. These books actually were, you know, 0:44:10.920 --> 0:44:14.880 helpful educational literature that was around early in the in 0:44:14.910 --> 0:44:18.120 that time period, but were never considered. They were didactic 0:44:18.150 --> 0:44:20.730 teaching literature, but they were never considered part of the 0:44:20.730 --> 0:44:24.629 Scripture by the Jewish community and was not considered part 0:44:24.630 --> 0:44:26.820 of the scriptures by the early church. They actually came 0:44:26.820 --> 0:44:29.460 into that little back of the Bible, back of the 0:44:29.460 --> 0:44:31.440 Old Testament part in the Middle Ages. 0:44:31.469 --> 0:44:35.070 Yeah. And actually it's later than the Middle Ages. It 0:44:35.370 --> 0:44:39.239 the setting of the canon that that included those books. 0:44:39.270 --> 0:44:41.400 We can put it right at 1546. 0:44:41.430 --> 0:44:42.660 That's why I was thinking about Middle Ages. 0:44:42.690 --> 0:44:46.380 Yeah. The Counter-Reformation and what it was is they, in 0:44:46.380 --> 0:44:52.110 the response to the Reformation, uh, the setting with the Reformation, 0:44:52.140 --> 0:44:54.810 sometimes the Counter-Reformation was trying to say, we want to 0:44:54.810 --> 0:44:57.420 justify some of the things that we say we are 0:44:57.460 --> 0:45:01.359 teaching there from Scripture some things that Luther and other 0:45:01.360 --> 0:45:04.480 reformers objected to. Well, they're not in Scripture, but they 0:45:04.480 --> 0:45:08.680 are in these apocryphal books, as they're called. And so 0:45:08.680 --> 0:45:11.680 what they said is, oh, we're now going to include 0:45:11.680 --> 0:45:14.890 these as sort of a quasi scripture along with the 0:45:14.890 --> 0:45:19.630 Hebrew Bible. And so that's how they got in 16th century. 0:45:19.630 --> 0:45:20.680 That's kind of a late time to. 0:45:20.770 --> 0:45:21.880 Like 15, 17. 0:45:22.239 --> 0:45:25.480 1546 is the Counter-Reformation at the Council of Trent. That's 0:45:25.480 --> 0:45:30.730 when they brought those in. So, uh, it's certainly not, uh, 0:45:30.730 --> 0:45:35.109 it was never considered scripture by a Judaism by be 0:45:35.170 --> 0:45:38.440 the early church. It was only in the 16th century 0:45:38.440 --> 0:45:41.440 that it got settled in there and brought in. But 0:45:41.440 --> 0:45:43.810 you know what? They're kind of interesting, right? They are 0:45:43.810 --> 0:45:46.090 interesting when when I took New Testament survey as a 0:45:46.090 --> 0:45:48.730 moody student many years ago, we had to read the 0:45:48.730 --> 0:45:50.830 Apocrypha before we read the New Testament. 0:45:50.830 --> 0:45:53.830 And some are inspirational stories which are encouraging and some 0:45:53.830 --> 0:45:56.730 are historical things that are interesting and some are just 0:45:56.730 --> 0:45:58.530 like crazy stories. 0:45:59.040 --> 0:45:59.580 Some of them. 0:45:59.580 --> 0:45:59.880 Are. 0:45:59.910 --> 0:46:03.149 Well, amazingly, that's the program for today. 0:46:03.180 --> 0:46:04.230 Wow. Out of time. 0:46:04.260 --> 0:46:06.780 Out of time. That's right. Thanks for listening, everyone. Especially 0:46:06.780 --> 0:46:09.690 those of you who wrote in with your questions. 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