WEBVTT - Treasuring the Psalms 0:00:08.080 --> 0:00:11.120 When you think of the Psalms, who's the first person 0:00:11.119 --> 0:00:14.680 that comes to mind? Probably David. After all, he wrote 0:00:14.680 --> 0:00:17.920 more than 70 chapters or songs. But did you know 0:00:17.920 --> 0:00:20.759 that the Psalms actually point to Christ? What if we 0:00:20.760 --> 0:00:24.320 could learn to read this biblical collection with fresh eyes? 0:00:24.520 --> 0:00:28.280 What if we really learned the art of treasuring the Psalms? Well, 0:00:28.280 --> 0:00:30.520 that's your invitation as you join us now for the 0:00:30.520 --> 0:00:34.040 land and the book. Our host is the always reading, 0:00:34.040 --> 0:00:38.080 always learning. Doctor Charlie Dyer, a noted Old Testament scholar 0:00:38.080 --> 0:00:41.320 and Middle East expert. I'm John Geiger, and, you know, 0:00:41.440 --> 0:00:43.879 a lot of us hear about reaching out to the 0:00:43.880 --> 0:00:45.920 Jewish people, but never think about the fact that they 0:00:45.920 --> 0:00:49.000 really do need Jesus. It's important to remember that they, 0:00:49.000 --> 0:00:52.159 like everybody else, need to hear the good news. 0:00:52.200 --> 0:00:54.400 That's right. And that's why life in Messiah, which is 0:00:54.400 --> 0:00:57.880 a ministry that's been in existence for over 135 years, 0:00:58.000 --> 0:01:01.230 is devoted to sharing the gospel with Jewish people around 0:01:01.230 --> 0:01:04.510 the world. And now they're offering a gift to moody listeners. 0:01:04.510 --> 0:01:08.670 This free e-book, Reaching Jewish People for Messiah, highlights the 0:01:08.670 --> 0:01:11.590 need for the gospel among the Jewish people. It will 0:01:11.590 --> 0:01:14.310 equip you with practical ways to share the good News 0:01:14.310 --> 0:01:17.670 with them. Now, to receive this free e-book, visit Life 0:01:17.670 --> 0:01:21.190 in Messiah org and click on the Moody Radio logo there. 0:01:21.230 --> 0:01:24.790 Sign up today to get your copy. That's life in Messiah. 0:01:26.230 --> 0:01:28.630 And now let's swing our focus toward current events in 0:01:28.630 --> 0:01:31.509 the Middle East. President Trump is traveling to the Middle 0:01:31.510 --> 0:01:34.949 East this coming week for meetings with Arab leaders. Is 0:01:34.950 --> 0:01:38.310 there any connection between this upcoming visit and the recent 0:01:38.350 --> 0:01:41.910 Houthi missile strike against Ben Gurion Airport? And could the 0:01:41.910 --> 0:01:45.150 meeting impact the nuclear talks with Iran, or perhaps the 0:01:45.150 --> 0:01:47.230 conflict between Israel and Hamas? 0:01:47.670 --> 0:01:50.470 Well, the events do appear to be indirectly linked. Now, 0:01:50.470 --> 0:01:53.190 here's what I mean. The Houthis fired that missile and 0:01:53.190 --> 0:01:57.310 it managed to hit inside Ben-Gurion airport's perimeter. Israel was 0:01:57.310 --> 0:02:00.180 able to detect and track the missile, but they experienced 0:02:00.180 --> 0:02:03.380 a technical failure with the interceptor, which is what enabled 0:02:03.380 --> 0:02:06.060 that missile to get through. Israel and the US then 0:02:06.060 --> 0:02:09.020 responded by launching a new wave of attacks on Yemen. 0:02:09.260 --> 0:02:12.460 Israel destroyed the airport in Yemen's capital, as well as 0:02:12.460 --> 0:02:16.579 several power stations and a cement plant. Following these attacks, 0:02:16.580 --> 0:02:20.340 and apparently pressed by Iran to help in their negotiations 0:02:20.340 --> 0:02:23.420 with the US, the Houthis agreed to stop firing on 0:02:23.419 --> 0:02:26.540 ships in the Red sea. In response, President Trump said 0:02:26.540 --> 0:02:30.020 the US would stop its bombing campaign. Now, that announcement 0:02:30.020 --> 0:02:34.139 blindsided Israeli officials who weren't told in advance. And then 0:02:34.139 --> 0:02:38.220 the Houthis clarified that the cease fire agreement didn't include Israel. 0:02:38.660 --> 0:02:40.780 So does this mean the US has just thrown Israel 0:02:40.780 --> 0:02:43.300 under the bus, so to speak, leaving them to face 0:02:43.300 --> 0:02:47.740 the Houthis alone? Right now, the answer isn't clear. President 0:02:47.780 --> 0:02:50.780 Trump also said, somewhat cryptically, that he would be making 0:02:50.780 --> 0:02:54.260 a very big announcement in connection with his upcoming trip, 0:02:54.460 --> 0:02:57.889 but he didn't elaborate, leading to speculation that it could 0:02:57.889 --> 0:03:01.329 involve a plan to provide entry of aid to Gaza, 0:03:01.330 --> 0:03:04.530 perhaps in connection with a cease fire plan between Hamas 0:03:04.530 --> 0:03:08.450 and Israel, or possibly an expansion of the Abraham Accords, 0:03:08.650 --> 0:03:12.850 or even something else totally unexpected. President Trump's visit to 0:03:12.850 --> 0:03:15.850 the different Gulf states could also focus on the status 0:03:15.850 --> 0:03:20.210 of nuclear negotiations with Iran, which continue to inch forward. 0:03:20.570 --> 0:03:22.929 What's amazing, though, is that the visit to the Gulf 0:03:22.930 --> 0:03:26.410 states doesn't include a stop off in Israel. So on 0:03:26.410 --> 0:03:29.890 the eve of President Trump's impending visit, the major questions 0:03:29.889 --> 0:03:32.730 are these. Is the president looking to forge some sort 0:03:32.730 --> 0:03:35.970 of grand bargain to tie together Saudi Arabia and other 0:03:35.970 --> 0:03:39.410 Gulf states and maybe Israel? Or is he working to 0:03:39.450 --> 0:03:42.930 secure the release of the hostages by Hamas? Or is 0:03:42.930 --> 0:03:46.050 he trying to make multiple deals to promote trade while 0:03:46.050 --> 0:03:50.450 also eliminating Iran's ability to develop nuclear weapons? And in 0:03:50.450 --> 0:03:53.730 the midst of all the negotiations, will the genuine concerns 0:03:53.730 --> 0:03:57.600 of Israel be taken into account or are they being ignored? 0:03:57.840 --> 0:04:00.880 And right now we don't have the answers. But the 0:04:00.880 --> 0:04:04.280 coming weeks should reveal what's been going on behind the scenes. 0:04:04.320 --> 0:04:08.160 Very complex story there. Two weeks ago, Israel was devastated 0:04:08.160 --> 0:04:11.800 by two days of wildfires. What caused all the blazes 0:04:11.800 --> 0:04:14.000 and what was the impact on the country? 0:04:14.200 --> 0:04:18.520 Yeah, well, three major factors came together to cause the devastation. Heat, 0:04:18.680 --> 0:04:22.760 holidays and Hamas. The weather pattern that came through, bringing 0:04:22.760 --> 0:04:27.120 with it high temperatures, low humidity and very strong winds. 0:04:27.320 --> 0:04:30.640 The weather patterns called a sharav in Hebrew or Khamsin 0:04:30.640 --> 0:04:33.600 in Arabic. It usually lasts for a few days before 0:04:33.600 --> 0:04:37.120 a cold front, then sweeps through, lowering temperatures and often 0:04:37.120 --> 0:04:40.839 bringing rain. The Hamsin arrived just in time for Israel's 0:04:40.839 --> 0:04:45.599 two national holidays, Memorial Day and Independence Day. Many Israelis 0:04:45.600 --> 0:04:49.920 celebrate with gatherings, picnics and outdoor barbecues and hiking in 0:04:49.920 --> 0:04:54.520 the parks and nature reserves, while burning embers discarded, cigarettes 0:04:54.700 --> 0:04:58.820 landing in bone dry brush provided the ignition source, and 0:04:58.820 --> 0:05:01.980 the blowing winds whipped up small fires into large infernos 0:05:01.980 --> 0:05:04.260 in a matter of minutes. Though in addition to the 0:05:04.260 --> 0:05:07.740 heat and the holidays, the third H in this combination 0:05:07.740 --> 0:05:11.460 was Hamas. They quickly took to social media, calling on 0:05:11.460 --> 0:05:16.140 followers to deliberately set fires inside Israel. Over 100 fires 0:05:16.140 --> 0:05:20.300 were reported. Many were contained early, but several exploded into 0:05:20.300 --> 0:05:23.859 massive blazes, especially in hills near the highway that connects 0:05:23.860 --> 0:05:27.419 Tel Aviv and Jerusalem. In terms of impact, the good 0:05:27.420 --> 0:05:29.580 news is that there was no loss of life. Though 0:05:29.620 --> 0:05:33.060 a number of people were trapped in cars on the highways. 0:05:33.300 --> 0:05:35.580 Fires are a fact of life in Israel during the 0:05:35.620 --> 0:05:38.420 summer months, but this outbreak made the news because of 0:05:38.420 --> 0:05:42.580 its size and severity. Now, unfortunately, another impact in this 0:05:42.580 --> 0:05:45.940 case was the rain that followed the khamsin. It didn't 0:05:45.940 --> 0:05:48.820 cause any major flooding in the areas hit by fire, 0:05:48.820 --> 0:05:52.060 but it did cause problems in the wilderness. A flash 0:05:52.060 --> 0:05:55.850 flood roared through the nature reserve by the Dead Sea 0:05:55.890 --> 0:05:58.010 as nearly an inch and a half of rain fell 0:05:58.050 --> 0:06:00.450 on that area in a very short period of time. 0:06:00.650 --> 0:06:04.970 The wall of water washed out hiking trails, handrails and signage. 0:06:05.290 --> 0:06:08.050 Other desert areas from the Dead Sea down to a 0:06:08.050 --> 0:06:12.290 lot also experienced sudden flooding, causing the temporary closure of 0:06:12.290 --> 0:06:17.370 roads from fire to water. God's fearsome power was on 0:06:17.370 --> 0:06:19.170 display in Israel. 0:06:19.170 --> 0:06:21.650 From Moody Radio. This is the land and the book 0:06:21.650 --> 0:06:24.409 I'm John Gager. We're looking at current events from the 0:06:24.410 --> 0:06:27.690 Middle East this past week. In a poem, The Road 0:06:27.690 --> 0:06:31.849 Not Taken, Robert Frost wrote, two roads diverged in a wood, 0:06:31.850 --> 0:06:35.330 and I I took the one less traveled by. And 0:06:35.330 --> 0:06:38.330 it has made all the difference. But as Yuval Levy 0:06:38.330 --> 0:06:41.570 recently wrote in The Jerusalem Post, the road less traveled 0:06:41.570 --> 0:06:45.290 apparently doesn't exist anymore in Israel. Charlie, what did she mean? 0:06:45.290 --> 0:06:48.130 And what are the transportation problems facing Israel? 0:06:48.370 --> 0:06:50.770 Yeah. Robert Frost never was in Israel when he wrote 0:06:50.770 --> 0:06:54.400 that poem, because travel in Israel, right? Today is a mess. 0:06:54.440 --> 0:06:56.080 You know, it used to take an hour to drive 0:06:56.120 --> 0:06:59.360 between Tel Aviv and Jerusalem. Now it takes an hour 0:06:59.360 --> 0:07:03.120 and a half to two hours. Driving across Jerusalem from 0:07:03.120 --> 0:07:05.560 the Old City over to the Israel Museum used to 0:07:05.560 --> 0:07:08.299 take 15 or 20 minutes. It can now take 30 0:07:08.300 --> 0:07:11.240 to 60 minutes, depending on the time of day. Now, 0:07:11.240 --> 0:07:14.720 there are multiple reasons for all the traffic snarls. This 0:07:14.720 --> 0:07:18.880 country of 10 million people now has 4 million cars, 0:07:19.120 --> 0:07:22.000 with hundreds of thousands more being added to the road 0:07:22.000 --> 0:07:26.520 every year. A second major problem is geography. In places 0:07:26.520 --> 0:07:29.880 like Jerusalem, the hills, the valleys and the old homes 0:07:29.880 --> 0:07:33.560 crowded against the roadways limit the width of those roads. 0:07:33.560 --> 0:07:36.280 In spite of adding a light rail line and underground 0:07:36.280 --> 0:07:40.040 tunnels at some junctures, driving around the walled old city 0:07:40.360 --> 0:07:45.040 can still be painfully slow. Now Israel has added new highways, 0:07:45.240 --> 0:07:48.640 but they're quickly clogged by all the additional drivers. And 0:07:48.640 --> 0:07:50.440 once you get off the main roads and into the 0:07:50.590 --> 0:07:54.270 cities and towns, the roads again become a nightmare along 0:07:54.270 --> 0:07:57.390 with parking. Now you might think public transportation would be 0:07:57.390 --> 0:08:03.110 the solution. Unfortunately, it's used mostly by older people, students, children, 0:08:03.110 --> 0:08:05.510 and those who don't have a car. Now, I do 0:08:05.510 --> 0:08:08.750 have some good news for tourists. Most tourists avoid the 0:08:08.750 --> 0:08:13.150 greater Tel Aviv area, which has relatively little biblical significance, 0:08:13.310 --> 0:08:16.470 and apart from Jerusalem, most of the biblical sites are 0:08:16.470 --> 0:08:20.150 in less dense traffic areas. So there are still some 0:08:20.150 --> 0:08:22.790 roads that are less traveled, but you do need to 0:08:22.830 --> 0:08:25.150 know where they are and the time of day when 0:08:25.150 --> 0:08:27.470 they're open. And that's why it's so good to have 0:08:27.470 --> 0:08:30.430 a guide and a driver in Israel when you're there. 0:08:30.470 --> 0:08:34.110 Boy, that's for sure. Hey, what do fake online profiles 0:08:34.110 --> 0:08:37.630 on social media and abnormal protein activity in the human 0:08:37.630 --> 0:08:41.790 body have in common? Well, scientists at Ben-Gurion University have 0:08:41.790 --> 0:08:44.870 come up with the answer in another remarkable discovery from 0:08:44.870 --> 0:08:46.110 amazing Israel. 0:08:46.630 --> 0:08:50.220 Yeah, I found this one truly fascinating, John. A cybersecurity 0:08:50.220 --> 0:08:55.340 researcher at Ben-Gurion University who analyzes fraud on social networks, 0:08:55.340 --> 0:08:57.860 joined forces with a team of biologists from the same 0:08:57.860 --> 0:09:02.340 university to develop a machine learning system that can recognize 0:09:02.380 --> 0:09:07.219 abnormal activity in protein networks inside the human body. The 0:09:07.220 --> 0:09:12.460 cybersecurity researcher had developed an algorithm that uncovers suspicious behavior 0:09:12.460 --> 0:09:16.020 in social networks. It goes beyond what you would normally expect. Well, 0:09:16.020 --> 0:09:20.180 he connected with this other researcher who focuses on computational 0:09:20.179 --> 0:09:23.660 approaches in network biology, and they decided to apply his 0:09:23.700 --> 0:09:28.699 algorithm to discover atypical behavior in the networks of proteins. 0:09:28.700 --> 0:09:33.420 They detected anomalous proteins in human tissue. Using weighted graph 0:09:33.420 --> 0:09:36.780 anomalous mode detection. How's that for a mouthful? Yeah. The 0:09:36.780 --> 0:09:40.699 research was recently published in Gigascience, a journal that's part 0:09:40.700 --> 0:09:45.540 of Oxford University Press's academic research platform. The algorithm that 0:09:45.540 --> 0:09:49.250 was developed is open source, allowing other researchers to build 0:09:49.250 --> 0:09:52.730 upon it to solve other types of problems. Using a 0:09:52.730 --> 0:09:56.170 tool developed to find fake profiles in social media, to 0:09:56.210 --> 0:10:00.050 discover abnormal protein reactions in the human body, and then 0:10:00.050 --> 0:10:03.090 sharing the process with other researchers around the world to 0:10:03.130 --> 0:10:07.090 solve still other problems. That's just the kind of collaborative 0:10:07.090 --> 0:10:10.410 innovation we've come to expect from the scientists and the 0:10:10.410 --> 0:10:12.770 researchers in amazing Israel. 0:10:12.770 --> 0:10:15.050 And that's a look at current events from the Middle East. 0:10:15.090 --> 0:10:17.090 If you have yet to check out our podcast, we 0:10:17.090 --> 0:10:19.010 want to encourage you to do that not only for 0:10:19.010 --> 0:10:21.370 your own benefit, but for the benefit of others who 0:10:21.410 --> 0:10:24.410 don't live near a radio station that carries the land 0:10:24.410 --> 0:10:27.010 and the book. You'll find us at the land and 0:10:27.050 --> 0:10:31.410 the books, the land and the book org. I should 0:10:31.410 --> 0:10:34.170 also share our email address upfront. If you've ever got 0:10:34.170 --> 0:10:37.450 a question about the Middle East prophecy scripture, you're welcome 0:10:37.450 --> 0:10:39.690 to send that to us at The Land and the 0:10:39.690 --> 0:10:44.730 book at Moody dot the land and the book at Moody. 0:10:46.010 --> 0:10:48.359 Coming up on the land and the book a conversation 0:10:48.360 --> 0:10:52.040 about treasuring the Psalms. They all point to Christ. You'll 0:10:52.080 --> 0:10:54.480 be amazed at what you hear coming up right here. 0:11:08.840 --> 0:11:11.240 When you think of the Psalms, who's the first person 0:11:11.240 --> 0:11:14.680 that comes to mind? Probably David. After all, he wrote 0:11:14.679 --> 0:11:17.679 more than 70 chapters or songs. But did you know 0:11:17.679 --> 0:11:20.880 that the Psalms actually point to Christ? How can we 0:11:20.880 --> 0:11:24.439 learn to read this collection with fresh eyes? Coming up, 0:11:24.440 --> 0:11:28.120 your invitation to join us in treasuring the Psalms. Hey, 0:11:28.120 --> 0:11:30.440 we're glad you've joined us for segment two of The 0:11:30.440 --> 0:11:33.800 Land and the book. I'm John Gager, and before we 0:11:33.800 --> 0:11:36.880 explore what it means to treasure the Psalms, let's consider 0:11:36.880 --> 0:11:40.200 what it means to treasure our unsaved Jewish friends by 0:11:40.240 --> 0:11:42.800 sharing the love of Christ with them. Here's an idea. 0:11:43.480 --> 0:11:46.020 You know we can't really be friends with a Jewish 0:11:46.020 --> 0:11:49.340 friend if we don't take into account their celebrations like 0:11:49.340 --> 0:11:52.060 the Passover. What is that all about? And and what's 0:11:52.059 --> 0:11:54.540 the connection with Easter? And why are they sometimes on 0:11:54.540 --> 0:11:58.140 the same weekend? But not always. Let's ask Eva Rydell. Nick, 0:11:58.260 --> 0:11:58.860 what do you say? 0:11:59.260 --> 0:12:04.340 Well, Passover and Easter actually originated in the same celebration. 0:12:04.740 --> 0:12:08.300 Passover is the celebration of God's deliverance of the Jewish 0:12:08.300 --> 0:12:11.380 people from Egypt, bringing them back into the Promised Land. 0:12:11.700 --> 0:12:16.220 And that is the memorial that Jesus, our Messiah, used 0:12:16.220 --> 0:12:19.219 to institute the Last Supper and the New Covenant. 0:12:19.260 --> 0:12:21.380 Okay, so how do I, as I'm getting to know 0:12:21.380 --> 0:12:24.300 my Jewish friend better, how do I leverage that in 0:12:24.300 --> 0:12:27.099 a conversation or in some sort of an event? 0:12:27.140 --> 0:12:30.020 You know, I think it's interesting to say that Jewish 0:12:30.020 --> 0:12:34.180 friends understand that. We understand that the beginning of the 0:12:34.179 --> 0:12:37.620 basis of the Easter celebration is Passover, and the name 0:12:37.620 --> 0:12:39.860 Easter really has nothing to do with the biblical event 0:12:39.860 --> 0:12:42.220 that that was a name that was brought on quite 0:12:42.220 --> 0:12:44.140 a bit later after the Bible was finished. 0:12:44.250 --> 0:12:46.650 So you're really saying, let's celebrate our common ground for 0:12:46.650 --> 0:12:47.210 goodness sake. 0:12:47.250 --> 0:12:50.490 Exactly. The common ground of redemption. Jewish people are celebrating 0:12:50.490 --> 0:12:54.770 the redemption from Egypt. We are celebrating our redemption from sin. 0:12:55.090 --> 0:12:58.690 And Jesus used that at the Last Supper to say, okay, 0:12:58.850 --> 0:13:01.290 that was a big event that we were remembering. This 0:13:01.290 --> 0:13:04.170 is an even bigger event that you're going to remember forever. 0:13:04.210 --> 0:13:06.410 I love that phrasing. Thanks for sharing that. Eva Reidel 0:13:06.410 --> 0:13:10.290 Nick here on the land and the book. Doctor Ian J. 0:13:10.330 --> 0:13:13.570 Vaillancourt is a professor of Old Testament and Hebrew at 0:13:13.570 --> 0:13:17.890 Ontario's Heritage Theological Seminary. He's an ordained pastor with more 0:13:17.890 --> 0:13:21.410 than 14 years of church experience, both in his writing 0:13:21.410 --> 0:13:25.090 and his teaching. Doctor Vaillancourt seeks to exalt Christ from 0:13:25.090 --> 0:13:28.570 the Old Testament. Our conversation today is based on his book, 0:13:28.610 --> 0:13:31.450 Treasuring the Psalms. And with that we say welcome to 0:13:31.490 --> 0:13:33.090 the land and the book, Ian. 0:13:33.250 --> 0:13:34.690 Thanks. Great to be here, John. 0:13:34.890 --> 0:13:37.410 Well, let's clear away a misconception or two. Some people 0:13:37.410 --> 0:13:40.690 are under the misguided information that David wrote. All the 0:13:40.690 --> 0:13:42.650 Psalms correct that misnomer. 0:13:42.880 --> 0:13:46.280 He did not. We have titles on the Psalms. Um, 0:13:46.400 --> 0:13:50.520 sometimes called them Superscriptions. Sometimes call them titles. And David's 0:13:50.559 --> 0:13:53.760 name appears in 73 of them, I believe. 0:13:53.920 --> 0:13:56.400 Okay. So there are other authors, including Moses, right? 0:13:56.760 --> 0:14:01.120 Yeah. Moses wrote Psalm 90. Solomon is listed. Um, the 0:14:01.120 --> 0:14:04.439 sons of Korah are prominent, and others as well. So 0:14:04.440 --> 0:14:07.400 when we read those titles, we we find out who 0:14:07.440 --> 0:14:08.920 the author of the psalm is. 0:14:08.960 --> 0:14:12.160 Okay. Well, you've suggested that the Psalms are often layered 0:14:12.160 --> 0:14:14.520 in their meaning, which says there's more to them than 0:14:14.520 --> 0:14:18.280 a cursory reading might suggest. Elaborate. An example, perhaps. 0:14:18.480 --> 0:14:22.600 If we're reading Psalm three and David is crying out 0:14:22.600 --> 0:14:26.440 to God in his distress, we remember that Jesus is 0:14:26.440 --> 0:14:29.040 a greater Son of David. So that's one way we 0:14:29.040 --> 0:14:32.360 can kind of look at how did Jesus fulfill this Psalm? 0:14:32.360 --> 0:14:34.800 He was the greater Son of David to come. So 0:14:34.840 --> 0:14:37.920 how much more were the cries of Jesus for us 0:14:37.960 --> 0:14:40.960 kind of thing? Maybe that's one one example. 0:14:41.400 --> 0:14:44.030 Well, let's focus for a minute on a subset known 0:14:44.030 --> 0:14:47.550 as the Messianic Psalms. Which are we referring to here? 0:14:47.550 --> 0:14:50.870 And what makes a psalm a messianic psalm by definition? 0:14:51.390 --> 0:14:55.670 Well, it's my position that all the Psalms in some 0:14:55.670 --> 0:14:59.390 way or another point to Christ. And so some people 0:14:59.390 --> 0:15:02.510 might just say, okay, some of the Psalms are messianic, 0:15:02.790 --> 0:15:05.590 some aren't. But I would say, you know, in part 0:15:05.630 --> 0:15:08.950 two of my book, I talk about how all 150 0:15:08.990 --> 0:15:11.950 Psalms in some way, and I believe every chapter of 0:15:11.950 --> 0:15:14.990 the Bible of the Old Testament points in some way 0:15:14.990 --> 0:15:18.190 to Jesus. We need to think about Jesus as fulfilling 0:15:18.190 --> 0:15:19.390 it in some way. 0:15:19.790 --> 0:15:22.510 Yeah, it feels like in many ways, many of our 0:15:22.510 --> 0:15:25.590 churches have sort of de-emphasized the Old Testament. We are 0:15:25.590 --> 0:15:29.310 really cheating ourselves out of a rich, rich texture, out 0:15:29.310 --> 0:15:31.950 of a lot of informative scripture that does point to 0:15:31.990 --> 0:15:33.190 Jesus your thoughts. 0:15:33.510 --> 0:15:36.830 It's just incredible. That's one of the big reasons I, 0:15:37.190 --> 0:15:40.580 after pastoring for so many years, did a PhD in 0:15:40.580 --> 0:15:44.980 Old Testament and now teach because I started as when 0:15:44.980 --> 0:15:48.620 I was pastoring, it was such a challenge to preach 0:15:48.620 --> 0:15:52.580 Christ from the Old Testament. And, you know, biblical theology 0:15:52.580 --> 0:15:57.340 was my favorite biblical theology, Hebrew. I love studying those. 0:15:57.340 --> 0:16:00.900 Biblical theology is how the Bible fits together. So when 0:16:00.900 --> 0:16:03.460 I was in seminary, I loved studying those things, but 0:16:03.500 --> 0:16:06.860 in the nitty gritty, it was challenging. And I found 0:16:06.860 --> 0:16:11.220 there weren't as many resources for Old Testament as there 0:16:11.220 --> 0:16:15.100 were for new, for how to preach, how to study 0:16:15.100 --> 0:16:18.580 in my Bible study, how in my devotions to read 0:16:18.580 --> 0:16:22.580 the Old Testament and be led to Christ for worship. Yeah. 0:16:22.580 --> 0:16:25.420 So it is a challenge. And I think that's one 0:16:25.420 --> 0:16:29.060 reason Christians neglect the Old Testament, is they've had poor 0:16:29.220 --> 0:16:31.780 modeling for how to read the Old Testament. 0:16:32.260 --> 0:16:35.980 Treasuring the Psalms. That's today's adventure on the land and 0:16:35.980 --> 0:16:39.450 the book. I'm John Gager, joined by Doctor Ian Vaillancourt, 0:16:39.450 --> 0:16:44.010 professor of Old Testament and Hebrew at Ontario's Heritage Theological Seminary. 0:16:44.650 --> 0:16:46.170 All right. Let's let's go to some of those that 0:16:46.170 --> 0:16:50.930 are considered classically, you know, messianic Psalms, maybe Psalm 22 0:16:50.970 --> 0:16:55.650 or or number 4041. My question is, why do they 0:16:55.650 --> 0:16:59.130 they seem to weave in and out of, quote, regular content. 0:16:59.130 --> 0:17:02.170 If I could be so juvenile and then sprinkle in 0:17:02.170 --> 0:17:06.129 something of a truly obviously messianic nature. What's with that 0:17:06.170 --> 0:17:07.090 weaving in and out? 0:17:07.890 --> 0:17:10.730 Yeah, that's the one that begins. My God, my God, 0:17:10.730 --> 0:17:12.770 why have you forsaken me? Why are you so far 0:17:12.770 --> 0:17:15.050 from me, so far from the words of my groaning? 0:17:15.410 --> 0:17:18.450 And it goes on. And it seems as though David 0:17:18.450 --> 0:17:22.170 is writing that from a real personal life experience he 0:17:22.170 --> 0:17:26.689 was going through in hand-to-hand combat. And so, on the 0:17:26.690 --> 0:17:30.890 one hand, yes, it is David speaking about himself, but 0:17:30.890 --> 0:17:34.010 it seems as though there are times in Psalm 22 0:17:34.570 --> 0:17:41.000 where David intentionally overstates it because in Psalm 110 David 0:17:41.000 --> 0:17:44.800 calls this one Lord, the Lord said to my Lord, 0:17:45.160 --> 0:17:49.240 so my Lord, my master, that's who this one he's 0:17:49.240 --> 0:17:52.879 talking about is. Psalm 22 is is a good test 0:17:52.880 --> 0:17:56.480 case where David, in the midst of his suffering, in 0:17:56.480 --> 0:18:00.080 the midst of recording about his suffering, says things in 0:18:00.080 --> 0:18:03.840 Psalm 22 that are more than his life experience, but 0:18:03.840 --> 0:18:07.080 ultimately pointing to us to a coming Messiah. 0:18:07.240 --> 0:18:07.640 Yeah. 0:18:08.080 --> 0:18:10.840 So like that opening line, My God, my God, why 0:18:10.840 --> 0:18:14.600 have you forsaken me? Or they pierce my hands and 0:18:14.600 --> 0:18:17.600 my feet. Those are just some examples. 0:18:17.800 --> 0:18:23.000 Yes. What is your personal favorite? Jesus in the Psalms moment? 0:18:23.040 --> 0:18:25.480 A passage where the heart of Christ is just so 0:18:25.480 --> 0:18:26.879 very brightly illuminated. 0:18:27.640 --> 0:18:29.840 Well, on the one hand, there are so many. Psalm 0:18:29.880 --> 0:18:34.480 22 is absolutely beautiful because I think Spurgeon called it 0:18:34.480 --> 0:18:38.750 the Psalm of the cross. Jesus quoted it from the cross. 0:18:39.270 --> 0:18:43.550 But probably my I'm going to go two favorites. John 0:18:43.550 --> 0:18:47.750 is Psalm 110 and 118, and they are the most 0:18:47.750 --> 0:18:50.950 quoted psalms in the New Testament. I did my own 0:18:50.950 --> 0:18:55.310 PhD dissertation on those two psalms from an Old Testament perspective. 0:18:55.350 --> 0:18:58.950 How it points to a coming Savior. And I just 0:18:58.950 --> 0:19:02.429 love the way they, in so many different ways, point 0:19:02.430 --> 0:19:05.070 us to Jesus. So 110 and 118. 0:19:05.109 --> 0:19:08.750 Okay. All right. What's the best way for a listener 0:19:08.910 --> 0:19:11.110 who would say, hey, I'm a beginner here? How do 0:19:11.109 --> 0:19:15.110 they begin to learn to appreciate the Psalms like this? 0:19:15.109 --> 0:19:16.710 Finding Christ in the Psalms. 0:19:17.670 --> 0:19:21.670 Well, there's two ways. One is read like one is 0:19:21.990 --> 0:19:25.830 why not read a Psalm every morning and ask God 0:19:25.830 --> 0:19:31.190 to help you see Jesus? And secondly, God has given 0:19:31.190 --> 0:19:33.630 people with different spiritual gifts for the church. And one 0:19:33.630 --> 0:19:37.290 of those spiritual gifts is teaching. And so whether it's 0:19:37.290 --> 0:19:41.730 your pastor, whether it's a book that helps you sometimes 0:19:41.770 --> 0:19:43.610 kind of getting the lay of the land a little 0:19:43.650 --> 0:19:47.530 bit and getting some instruction, whether it's adult education class 0:19:47.530 --> 0:19:50.730 at your church or reading a book that kind of 0:19:50.730 --> 0:19:53.290 gives you the lay of the land, sometimes that's a 0:19:53.290 --> 0:19:55.930 burden in my writing. I want people to read my 0:19:55.930 --> 0:19:58.770 book and be equipped to put my book away and 0:19:58.770 --> 0:20:02.930 read the book. The Bible. Yes, with more understanding and 0:20:02.930 --> 0:20:07.729 just immerse themselves in God's precious word more effectively and 0:20:07.730 --> 0:20:11.129 more skillfully for the rest of their lives. So just 0:20:11.130 --> 0:20:16.810 finding accessible, understandable teachers in person and through their writings 0:20:16.810 --> 0:20:20.169 or podcasts and all these things that are available to 0:20:20.170 --> 0:20:23.130 us today, that some instruction, I think the church has 0:20:23.170 --> 0:20:26.490 been given teachers, and we ought not to neglect that 0:20:26.490 --> 0:20:27.650 blessing from God. 0:20:27.690 --> 0:20:30.010 Well, I love that passion. That's great. If you're joining 0:20:30.010 --> 0:20:32.770 us midstream, this is the land and the book. I'm 0:20:32.770 --> 0:20:36.080 John Gager, our guest, Doctor Ian Vaillancourt, who has written 0:20:36.080 --> 0:20:39.200 the book Treasuring the Psalms. You suggest that the Book 0:20:39.200 --> 0:20:42.400 of Psalms is a work that is truly greater than 0:20:42.400 --> 0:20:44.359 the sum of its parts. What do you mean? 0:20:45.200 --> 0:20:49.159 I mean that the Psalms were individual poems written by 0:20:49.160 --> 0:20:54.280 individual authors, but they were compiled into a book, intentionally 0:20:54.520 --> 0:20:57.480 and purposefully, that it isn't like a hymn book. That's 0:20:57.520 --> 0:21:00.120 kind of a hodgepodge. You know, you don't usually read 0:21:00.119 --> 0:21:02.520 a hymn book from front to back. They might be 0:21:02.520 --> 0:21:05.000 arranged topically in your hymn book, but you know what 0:21:05.000 --> 0:21:08.840 I mean. They're not kind of purposely arranged, but the Psalms, 0:21:08.840 --> 0:21:11.920 it seems as though we can see, you know, there's 0:21:11.920 --> 0:21:16.480 five different books, and we can see broad themes emerging. 0:21:16.480 --> 0:21:19.520 When we read the overall shape of the book. We 0:21:19.520 --> 0:21:21.840 read the book from start to finish and see kind 0:21:21.840 --> 0:21:25.520 of a beginning theme, and it kind of develops. And 0:21:25.520 --> 0:21:28.360 then there's an end theme. That's kind of what I mean. 0:21:28.480 --> 0:21:32.520 Okay, well, you know, there's a difference between understanding the 0:21:32.590 --> 0:21:36.270 Psalms and treasuring the Psalms. The title of your book, 0:21:36.270 --> 0:21:39.550 how do we move from mere head knowledge and sort of, uh, 0:21:39.710 --> 0:21:43.950 technical exploration to, to really loving the Psalms? 0:21:44.109 --> 0:21:47.510 Yeah, I think that's with every portion of scripture that 0:21:47.510 --> 0:21:51.910 this isn't just an academic exercise. If the Word of God, 0:21:51.950 --> 0:21:55.949 Old Testament and New Testament is living and effective, sharper 0:21:55.950 --> 0:21:58.430 than any two edged sword, and if it's breathed out 0:21:58.430 --> 0:22:02.109 by God, all Scripture is breathed out by God. Then 0:22:02.270 --> 0:22:05.910 when we approach Scripture, if we approach Scripture and kind 0:22:05.910 --> 0:22:08.070 of come away with a bunch of information, but we're 0:22:08.070 --> 0:22:11.189 not closer to God, the problem's not with the Bible. 0:22:11.190 --> 0:22:14.710 The problems with my heart. Yeah, sometimes it's with my head. 0:22:14.750 --> 0:22:17.990 I you know, we need to understand what we read 0:22:17.990 --> 0:22:21.430 right and get some instruction. But it's both a head 0:22:21.430 --> 0:22:22.869 and a heart exercise. 0:22:22.910 --> 0:22:23.390 Yes. 0:22:23.430 --> 0:22:26.389 And I just always want to approach the Bible in 0:22:26.390 --> 0:22:30.190 a context of worship. You know, doing my personal devotions. 0:22:30.190 --> 0:22:32.540 I'm reading the Psalms right now in my personal devotions, 0:22:32.540 --> 0:22:35.860 and I just go over whatever section I'm in that 0:22:35.859 --> 0:22:39.020 day a couple times, and then I sit back in 0:22:39.020 --> 0:22:43.940 my desk chair, and I pray through that psalm and, 0:22:44.380 --> 0:22:46.859 and just let the words of the Psalms become my 0:22:46.859 --> 0:22:50.460 own words and worship, and then move on to praying 0:22:50.460 --> 0:22:55.060 for my day ahead. Yeah, but church involvement, being a 0:22:55.060 --> 0:22:58.980 committed part of a local church that's committed to God's Word, 0:22:59.020 --> 0:23:01.420 like we could say a lot of different things pursuing 0:23:01.420 --> 0:23:05.620 personal holiness. Nothing dries up a soul like sin, right? 0:23:06.060 --> 0:23:09.980 And nothing like dampens our palette, our ability to taste 0:23:09.980 --> 0:23:13.580 and see that God is good. Like tolerating any sin 0:23:13.580 --> 0:23:15.820 in our lives. There's there's so much we could say, 0:23:15.820 --> 0:23:17.820 but those are some things that come to mind. 0:23:18.220 --> 0:23:20.340 You know, even as I ask that question, it strikes 0:23:20.340 --> 0:23:23.859 me that, you know, Jesus calls himself the Living Word. Well, 0:23:23.859 --> 0:23:26.380 when we spend time with the Bible, you know, too 0:23:26.380 --> 0:23:28.740 often we think of it as a a leather bound 0:23:28.740 --> 0:23:30.890 book on the shelf like those other leather bound books, 0:23:30.890 --> 0:23:33.129 but this one sort of special. No, we are spending 0:23:33.170 --> 0:23:36.090 time with a person when we're spending time in the word. 0:23:36.090 --> 0:23:38.490 And that's how you get to to truly love someone 0:23:38.490 --> 0:23:41.050 is spending time with them. I mean, there's that dynamic 0:23:41.050 --> 0:23:42.010 to it seems, right? 0:23:42.530 --> 0:23:45.170 Yeah. Well, we open the Bible, we hear the voice 0:23:45.170 --> 0:23:48.890 of God. Like, if someone says to you, if I 0:23:48.890 --> 0:23:52.810 could say to you, just come here and listen and 0:23:52.810 --> 0:23:56.410 you will hear a word from God for you, I'd 0:23:56.410 --> 0:23:58.930 want to go. Yeah. Will we have that in the 0:23:58.930 --> 0:24:02.689 Bible every time we open it? This is God's word 0:24:02.690 --> 0:24:05.690 for us, and it's according to Peter. It's all that 0:24:05.690 --> 0:24:08.530 we need for life and godliness is in this book. Yeah, 0:24:08.570 --> 0:24:11.290 he's given it to us. And the whole Bible is 0:24:11.290 --> 0:24:13.729 an absolute treasure. But the books on the psalm. So 0:24:13.730 --> 0:24:16.689 we're just treasuring the Psalms in the book. Yeah. 0:24:16.690 --> 0:24:18.330 One last question. I want to squeeze in here, and 0:24:18.330 --> 0:24:21.170 it's a little off the path to me, the presence 0:24:21.170 --> 0:24:24.730 of so much brute honesty, particularly in many of David's Psalms, 0:24:24.730 --> 0:24:27.609 where he admits to feeling terror or anger or even 0:24:27.650 --> 0:24:31.520 thirst for revenge. This feels like permission for me to 0:24:31.560 --> 0:24:34.600 come before God with my concerns and my emotions as well. 0:24:34.640 --> 0:24:35.480 Your reaction? 0:24:36.240 --> 0:24:39.720 Yeah. My reaction is two pronged. The first one is 0:24:39.920 --> 0:24:44.640 the lament. Psalms are massively neglected in favor of kind 0:24:44.640 --> 0:24:48.240 of happy clappy worship all the time. And yes, victory 0:24:48.240 --> 0:24:52.000 in Jesus. Yes. As New Testament saints, we look back 0:24:52.000 --> 0:24:55.960 to Jesus fulfilling the Old Testament and absolutely to joy 0:24:56.000 --> 0:24:58.480 as a bedrock of the Christian life. But the Apostle 0:24:58.480 --> 0:25:02.840 Paul could be sorrowful, yet always rejoicing, right? And there's 0:25:02.880 --> 0:25:06.600 a both and. And the lament Psalms help us to emote, 0:25:06.880 --> 0:25:10.960 even give us words to emote in worship and move 0:25:10.960 --> 0:25:14.840 us away from getting out of ourselves to the God 0:25:14.840 --> 0:25:17.600 in whom we ought to hope in the midst of 0:25:17.600 --> 0:25:20.760 that lament. So it helps us with the brutal honesty, 0:25:21.040 --> 0:25:24.199 but then moves us to. And here is who God 0:25:24.200 --> 0:25:28.270 is for me in this situation. Now that is amazing. 0:25:28.310 --> 0:25:31.710 Yeah. You are amazing. To doctor Ian Vaillancourt. Thank you 0:25:31.710 --> 0:25:34.310 for your insights here. If you want to dig deeper, 0:25:34.310 --> 0:25:37.189 if you want to really understand the Psalms as the 0:25:37.190 --> 0:25:39.950 treasure that they represent, this is a resource for you. 0:25:39.950 --> 0:25:42.750 Treasuring the Psalms. A link at our website. The land 0:25:42.750 --> 0:25:45.550 and the book org. Doctor Vaillancourt, thank you so much 0:25:45.550 --> 0:25:46.270 for your time. 0:25:46.670 --> 0:25:48.510 Thank you so much for having me, John. 0:25:48.510 --> 0:25:50.790 And we'll dig further into Scripture along the lines of 0:25:50.790 --> 0:25:54.030 your questions on our next segment. Plenty of answers here 0:25:54.030 --> 0:26:07.590 on the land and the book. This is the land 0:26:07.590 --> 0:26:10.030 and the book from Moody Radio. It's segment three. I'm 0:26:10.030 --> 0:26:13.830 John Gager, seated across from the one, the only doctor, 0:26:13.830 --> 0:26:17.150 Gerald Peterman. He's at our Moody Bible Institute faculty, a 0:26:17.150 --> 0:26:19.910 really good guy. He loves the word. He loves your questions. 0:26:19.910 --> 0:26:22.109 And we love having him here. Good to see you, sir. 0:26:22.150 --> 0:26:24.030 Well, thankfully, there's only one of me. I'm not quite 0:26:24.030 --> 0:26:26.300 sure the world could handle two of this guy. 0:26:27.260 --> 0:26:29.940 All right, before we, uh, dig into our first question, 0:26:29.980 --> 0:26:32.060 here's something to think about. Did you think about the 0:26:32.060 --> 0:26:35.060 fact that most Jewish people have never heard the gospel? 0:26:35.300 --> 0:26:38.139 Each week you hear us talking about Israel and the 0:26:38.140 --> 0:26:41.500 Jewish people, and it's important to remember that they, like 0:26:41.500 --> 0:26:43.939 everyone else, need to hear the good news. 0:26:44.220 --> 0:26:48.300 Life and Messiah. 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This one happens to be from Todd, 0:27:23.580 --> 0:27:28.369 who asks, how does Deuteronomy 15 four relate to Deuteronomy 15, 0:27:28.410 --> 0:27:29.330 verse 11? 0:27:29.609 --> 0:27:33.129 Oh, thanks, Todd. The importance of the question becomes clear 0:27:33.330 --> 0:27:36.770 when we read the two verses side by side. Deuteronomy 0:27:36.770 --> 0:27:40.250 15 four says, but there will be no poor among you, 0:27:40.250 --> 0:27:42.450 for the Lord will bless you in the land, that 0:27:42.450 --> 0:27:45.010 the Lord your God is giving you for an inheritance 0:27:45.010 --> 0:27:49.330 to possess. And then we read Deuteronomy 1511, for there 0:27:49.330 --> 0:27:52.330 will never cease to be poor in the land. Therefore 0:27:52.330 --> 0:27:54.850 I command you. You shall open wide your hand to 0:27:54.890 --> 0:27:57.290 your brother, to the needy, and to the poor. Now 0:27:57.290 --> 0:28:01.490 this sounds like a contradiction. So we've got to keep reading. 0:28:02.090 --> 0:28:05.369 We see the solution if we read chapter 15, four 0:28:05.410 --> 0:28:09.729 and five together. But there will be no poor among you, 0:28:09.730 --> 0:28:11.689 for the Lord will bless you in the land that 0:28:11.690 --> 0:28:13.889 the Lord your God is giving you for an inheritance. 0:28:14.090 --> 0:28:18.770 Verse five if only you will strictly obey the voice 0:28:18.890 --> 0:28:21.729 of the Lord your God. Well, now read the rest 0:28:21.730 --> 0:28:24.670 of your Old Testament. I'm laughing, or else I'm going 0:28:24.710 --> 0:28:27.350 to cry because you read the rest of your Old Testament, 0:28:27.350 --> 0:28:32.950 and it's a story of Israel's disobedience. So they could 0:28:32.990 --> 0:28:37.910 have had a thriving community with generosity and no poor. 0:28:37.950 --> 0:28:41.750 But it didn't happen because of their disobedience. The poor 0:28:41.790 --> 0:28:44.830 were always there and often neglected. 0:28:45.310 --> 0:28:48.110 A question from Jim. Who wants to know how did 0:28:48.110 --> 0:28:51.990 God inspire the writing of the Old Testament and New Testament? 0:28:52.150 --> 0:28:54.470 It wasn't telepathy, and I know it wasn't just dropped 0:28:54.470 --> 0:28:57.670 out of the sky as dictation, like the Muslims suggest 0:28:57.670 --> 0:29:01.790 about the Quran. I know God used the writer's distinct personalities, 0:29:01.790 --> 0:29:05.310 but how did God actually put his thoughts into those writer's? 0:29:05.310 --> 0:29:06.150 Your thoughts? 0:29:06.350 --> 0:29:08.790 Well, thanks so much for the question. I've pondered this 0:29:08.830 --> 0:29:12.470 and sort of say the exact how is not told 0:29:12.470 --> 0:29:16.110 to us. Now, we do know from Second Peter chapter 0:29:16.110 --> 0:29:21.310 one that no prophecy of Scripture comes from someone's own interpretation, 0:29:21.310 --> 0:29:24.500 for no prophecy was ever produced by the will of man. 0:29:24.980 --> 0:29:29.020 But men spoke from God as they were carried along 0:29:29.020 --> 0:29:31.980 by the Holy Spirit. So, as you mentioned, their personalities 0:29:31.980 --> 0:29:37.060 were engaged, but they were carried by the spirit. We 0:29:37.100 --> 0:29:40.580 come later, say, into John 20 and John lets us 0:29:40.580 --> 0:29:42.780 know that he has a lot of stuff he's not telling. 0:29:43.140 --> 0:29:46.980 He says Jesus did many other signs in the presence 0:29:46.980 --> 0:29:49.500 of his disciples which are not included in this book, 0:29:49.860 --> 0:29:52.260 but these are written so you might believe. So John 0:29:52.260 --> 0:29:57.900 has decided to select certain things to say. So the 0:29:57.900 --> 0:30:04.340 spirit works, the author works, and somehow they work together. Exactly. 0:30:04.340 --> 0:30:05.740 I do not know. 0:30:06.020 --> 0:30:09.220 That's Doctor Gerald Peterman. Appreciate your honesty there. Let's not 0:30:09.220 --> 0:30:12.100 speak where Scripture doesn't write. You can email your question 0:30:12.100 --> 0:30:16.620 to us at the land and the book at the 0:30:16.620 --> 0:30:21.210 land and the book at Bret says, I have a 0:30:21.210 --> 0:30:24.050 sister in law who's not a believer. She's a psychologist, 0:30:24.250 --> 0:30:26.610 and she says that when Paul talks about rejoicing in 0:30:26.610 --> 0:30:30.610 the Lord always, that's a kind of toxic positivity. I 0:30:30.610 --> 0:30:32.490 wasn't sure what to say. What do you think? 0:30:32.530 --> 0:30:36.290 Toxic positivity. That's an interesting way of talking about it. 0:30:36.730 --> 0:30:39.810 I don't think that that's what Paul has in mind 0:30:39.810 --> 0:30:42.890 in Philippians four. I do think what Paul comes into 0:30:42.890 --> 0:30:49.250 Philippians for he means joy, joy we get from God. 0:30:49.650 --> 0:30:54.290 Joy we get from the spirit should be our typical perspective, 0:30:54.330 --> 0:30:57.690 should be our typical heart and mind. Oh wait, no, 0:30:57.810 --> 0:31:01.530 there can be evil joy. Pay close attention during football season. 0:31:01.530 --> 0:31:05.570 You'll know what I'm talking about, right? But should must 0:31:05.570 --> 0:31:09.810 joy be our experience? 24 over seven 365 I think 0:31:09.810 --> 0:31:14.090 the answer is no. Here's why. Because Paul himself tells 0:31:14.090 --> 0:31:18.610 us we should rejoice with those who rejoice and weep 0:31:18.610 --> 0:31:21.400 with those who weep. Notice what the passage doesn't say. 0:31:21.440 --> 0:31:24.440 It doesn't say. Rejoice with those who rejoice and tell 0:31:24.440 --> 0:31:26.040 those who weep why they shouldn't. 0:31:26.280 --> 0:31:27.120 Yeah. No. 0:31:27.520 --> 0:31:32.360 You weep with them. So as Christians, guided by the spirit, 0:31:32.360 --> 0:31:35.240 there will be times we have painful. Or you might 0:31:35.240 --> 0:31:39.520 call them negative emotions. And they're just the emotions of love. 0:31:40.080 --> 0:31:43.680 So I don't think Paul is urging us to a 0:31:43.680 --> 0:31:46.080 toxic positivity. No, not at all. 0:31:46.120 --> 0:31:47.200 Positively not. 0:31:47.800 --> 0:31:49.960 Yeah. Well done. Yes. Well done. 0:31:50.120 --> 0:31:52.600 Go on to Dan's question. Now. He wants to know 0:31:52.600 --> 0:31:55.440 what is the difference between soul and spirit. You see 0:31:55.440 --> 0:31:57.760 that in Scripture. What can we know here? 0:31:58.280 --> 0:32:00.440 Well, whole books are written about this question, and it's 0:32:00.440 --> 0:32:04.400 a really good one. Here's my perspective. Soul and spirit 0:32:04.400 --> 0:32:08.760 are two aspects of us, not two parts of us. 0:32:08.800 --> 0:32:12.440 Let me illustrate this. I mean, it's something like you 0:32:12.440 --> 0:32:15.520 have emotions and you have thoughts. I mean, if you're 0:32:15.520 --> 0:32:17.960 like most people, you have emotions and you have thoughts. 0:32:18.160 --> 0:32:21.390 And how are they related? Well, they're not exactly the same, 0:32:21.950 --> 0:32:25.110 but they're intimately related. One relates to the other and 0:32:25.110 --> 0:32:27.030 the other relates to the one. So I take it 0:32:27.030 --> 0:32:30.830 that soul is more like the personality of us, and 0:32:30.830 --> 0:32:34.670 spirit is more like the animation of us. But I 0:32:34.670 --> 0:32:37.190 don't take it that they're exactly the same, nor do 0:32:37.190 --> 0:32:40.030 I take it they were made up of composite pieces, 0:32:40.030 --> 0:32:41.790 as if we have body, soul and spirit. And you 0:32:41.790 --> 0:32:44.510 put the three pieces together. Now you've got human. Hopefully 0:32:44.510 --> 0:32:45.270 that's helpful. 0:32:45.710 --> 0:32:48.350 Yeah. Typical question, as you say, in entire books written 0:32:48.350 --> 0:32:50.590 about it. Here's a question I'd like to ask. What 0:32:50.590 --> 0:32:54.110 is a a reliable grid we can use to make 0:32:54.150 --> 0:32:57.510 sure our worship and church is authentic, not just emotional? 0:32:57.510 --> 0:33:00.110 And I ask that because, you know, I'm in church 0:33:00.110 --> 0:33:02.870 and I'm showing my age here. I was not raised 0:33:02.870 --> 0:33:05.030 that we raise our hands and so on, though I 0:33:05.070 --> 0:33:08.030 sometimes do that I do. And there are others who 0:33:08.070 --> 0:33:12.070 that's their home base and some really appear to be, quote, 0:33:12.110 --> 0:33:15.230 getting into it. And I ask myself, am I somehow 0:33:15.270 --> 0:33:19.060 less spiritual because I'm not as demonstrative. And the flip 0:33:19.100 --> 0:33:21.260 side of this, if I could, is some of these 0:33:21.260 --> 0:33:24.980 same people who seem the most joyous, the most worshipful man. 0:33:25.020 --> 0:33:27.140 You catch them in a conversation and they're using language 0:33:27.140 --> 0:33:29.740 I don't think is appropriate. And, you know, so I 0:33:29.780 --> 0:33:32.060 don't want to be judging them. But there's all of 0:33:32.100 --> 0:33:34.500 that part of the puzzle to help me make sense 0:33:34.500 --> 0:33:35.020 of it all. 0:33:35.060 --> 0:33:36.500 Mhm. Well, I hope I can make sense of it 0:33:36.500 --> 0:33:39.780 in just a couple of minutes. That is one thing 0:33:39.780 --> 0:33:43.540 that I do that I shouldn't do is I compare 0:33:43.540 --> 0:33:47.500 myself to other people. Right. Sometimes I look down on 0:33:47.500 --> 0:33:50.500 myself when I compare myself. Right. Sometimes I look down 0:33:50.500 --> 0:33:54.780 on them when I compare myself. Let's not do either one. Okay. 0:33:54.820 --> 0:33:58.820 Let's not judge the way our brother or sister worships. Secondly, 0:33:59.180 --> 0:34:04.340 in worship, am I thinking and feeling? Am I hearing 0:34:04.340 --> 0:34:08.060 what's being said and pondering it? And am I enjoying it? 0:34:08.100 --> 0:34:11.540 When I sing these words? Am I having pleasure in 0:34:11.580 --> 0:34:15.140 having a voice that I can sing these words? And 0:34:15.140 --> 0:34:19.370 how will that emotion? How will those thoughts be seen? 0:34:19.650 --> 0:34:22.330 I'd say show them your way. You don't have to 0:34:22.330 --> 0:34:25.130 show them anyone else's way. Um. 0:34:25.330 --> 0:34:28.930 Sometimes I wonder that we're enjoying the familiar tune and 0:34:28.930 --> 0:34:32.450 loving the excellence of the band more than processing the 0:34:32.450 --> 0:34:33.730 content of the lyric. 0:34:33.890 --> 0:34:36.609 That could well be. That could well be. And I 0:34:36.610 --> 0:34:39.410 have to ask myself that question. Sometimes I say, Jerry, like, 0:34:39.410 --> 0:34:42.570 what's going on? Yeah. Why are you doing what you're doing? 0:34:42.770 --> 0:34:46.489 Why are you feeling what you're feeling? This is a 0:34:46.489 --> 0:34:51.250 question that God asks us. Outside the garden came. Why 0:34:51.250 --> 0:34:55.090 are you angry? Right outside Nineveh. Jonah, why are you angry? 0:34:55.130 --> 0:34:58.049 After Peter sinks into the sea, Jesus asks Peter, why 0:34:58.050 --> 0:35:00.649 did you doubt? So it's a good thing for us 0:35:00.650 --> 0:35:04.330 to ask these questions about our emotions. Why are we 0:35:04.370 --> 0:35:07.450 having them? Why are we not having them? But here's 0:35:07.450 --> 0:35:12.129 a typical characteristic. A typical characteristic is that those who 0:35:12.130 --> 0:35:18.790 might be more silent, more withdrawn, a little bit more thoughtful, perhaps, 0:35:18.910 --> 0:35:22.190 or maybe less given to a dramatic show of emotion 0:35:22.190 --> 0:35:26.310 and worship. But on the other hand, if that show 0:35:26.310 --> 0:35:29.150 in worship would be helpful, one thing they do have 0:35:29.190 --> 0:35:34.230 is self-control, and they're likely to get slow to be angry, right, 0:35:34.270 --> 0:35:36.910 in a conversation. But perhaps others of our brothers and 0:35:36.910 --> 0:35:42.989 sisters who are feel comfortable showing emotion and worship. Perhaps 0:35:42.989 --> 0:35:46.670 they have a little trouble sometimes controlling emotion outside of worship. 0:35:46.870 --> 0:35:49.709 And now I'm not judging either person, right? I'm just 0:35:49.710 --> 0:35:53.390 saying God made different personalities and that's okay. 0:35:53.910 --> 0:35:56.189 Takes me to Colossians three and over all these things 0:35:56.190 --> 0:35:59.549 put on love, which binds them all together in perfect unity. 0:35:59.590 --> 0:36:04.910 Right, right. And again, love will include appreciation for all 0:36:04.910 --> 0:36:08.029 the good things that our brother and sister does. And 0:36:08.030 --> 0:36:11.069 the love would also mean that maybe sometimes we offer 0:36:11.070 --> 0:36:14.460 some correction based on what our brother or sister does. 0:36:14.500 --> 0:36:16.779 Lots of ground covered today. Maybe you'd like to hear 0:36:16.780 --> 0:36:18.460 it all again. The good news is you can do that. 0:36:18.460 --> 0:36:21.219 We've got a podcast that you can enjoy yourself or 0:36:21.260 --> 0:36:24.100 hopefully even share with a friend. Where do you get it? 0:36:24.100 --> 0:36:27.780 At our website. 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This 0:37:18.489 --> 0:37:20.810 is the land and the book. And we're about to 0:37:20.850 --> 0:37:25.970 continue Charlie Dyer's devotional series, inscriptions to the Bible. And Charlie, 0:37:25.969 --> 0:37:28.330 I assume, will get some answers to those questions. Eh? 0:37:28.530 --> 0:37:29.690 Uh, we will, John. 0:37:29.730 --> 0:37:31.730 All right. I'm looking forward to that. First, though, this 0:37:31.730 --> 0:37:35.250 personal reaction to a trip to Israel. Listen to this. 0:37:39.570 --> 0:37:42.770 Hi, my name is Gina. I'm in Brandon, Florida. I 0:37:42.770 --> 0:37:45.489 just wanted to say that I've been to Israel twice. 0:37:45.690 --> 0:37:47.649 I just want to say that for anyone who is 0:37:47.650 --> 0:37:50.610 considering going, who had a dream all their life to 0:37:50.650 --> 0:37:53.609 go to Israel to do it, it is truly an 0:37:53.610 --> 0:37:58.130 investment in the land, the people and your spiritual development. 0:37:58.170 --> 0:38:01.690 You'll never, ever be the same. There is an impartation 0:38:01.690 --> 0:38:05.050 that happens when you're there, and God's Holy Spirit comes 0:38:05.050 --> 0:38:07.570 down in a way like you've never felt it before. 0:38:07.850 --> 0:38:09.650 And when you come back, you're never the same. So 0:38:09.650 --> 0:38:12.240 I just want to encourage you to go the book. 0:38:12.239 --> 0:38:16.080 The Bible comes alive. You see, you smell. You feel. 0:38:16.640 --> 0:38:19.200 The Word of God is just so real. And then 0:38:19.239 --> 0:38:21.799 you're just changed when you come home. So I just 0:38:21.800 --> 0:38:25.319 want to encourage everyone to make that investment because it's 0:38:25.320 --> 0:38:27.720 an investment you can never, ever put a price tag on. 0:38:29.840 --> 0:38:33.319 All right, let's get right to our devotional segment. Now, Charlie, 0:38:33.320 --> 0:38:34.080 you're up. 0:38:34.520 --> 0:38:37.080 We've reached the end of our 11 week series on 0:38:37.080 --> 0:38:40.239 11 inscriptions to the Bible. Now, most of the inscriptions 0:38:40.239 --> 0:38:44.080 we've explored are housed in museums in Jerusalem, London, Istanbul 0:38:44.080 --> 0:38:48.120 or Chicago. But today's inscription remains in the very spot 0:38:48.160 --> 0:38:52.600 where it was first discovered back in 1929. Our destination 0:38:52.600 --> 0:38:55.399 is the site of ancient Corinth. We were here back 0:38:55.400 --> 0:38:58.840 in January to visit the Bema Seat. Today's visit actually 0:38:58.840 --> 0:39:03.160 takes us outside the main archaeological site, just below the entrance, 0:39:03.160 --> 0:39:06.879 near the remains of the ancient theater. Today's discovery. At 0:39:06.880 --> 0:39:10.149 first glance might not look that impressive, But I've saved 0:39:10.150 --> 0:39:12.069 it for last because I think it's one of the 0:39:12.070 --> 0:39:16.509 most revealing of these ancient inscriptions, giving us great insight 0:39:16.510 --> 0:39:19.750 into an otherwise obscure friend of the Apostle Paul. And 0:39:19.750 --> 0:39:21.989 I'm getting ahead of myself. So join me on a 0:39:21.989 --> 0:39:25.670 short trek to a spot seldom seen by most visitors 0:39:25.670 --> 0:39:28.549 to Corinth. On my first visit here, I had to 0:39:28.590 --> 0:39:31.430 hack my way through chest high weeds to search for 0:39:31.430 --> 0:39:34.109 this inscription. I'd read an article on it, which is 0:39:34.110 --> 0:39:36.710 how I knew about it. Using a diagram of the 0:39:36.710 --> 0:39:39.109 site from that article, I managed to work my way 0:39:39.110 --> 0:39:42.830 down a somewhat steep incline to reach the general location, 0:39:42.830 --> 0:39:44.710 and then I had to push my way through more 0:39:44.710 --> 0:39:47.830 weeds to actually find it. The inscriptions a bit easier 0:39:47.830 --> 0:39:50.989 to find today, as more visitors to the site help 0:39:50.989 --> 0:39:55.150 keep the weeds at bay and the pathway more defined. Okay, 0:39:55.190 --> 0:39:57.589 I suspect by now you're getting impatient with me and 0:39:57.590 --> 0:40:00.469 are ready to shout out, so what's this inscription you're 0:40:00.469 --> 0:40:03.790 so excited about? Well, here it is in front of us. 0:40:03.790 --> 0:40:05.989 So let me help you read it. Carved into the 0:40:05.989 --> 0:40:09.060 stone block. One of the paving stones for this walkway 0:40:09.260 --> 0:40:14.460 are 22 seven inch high letters, forming six words in 0:40:14.460 --> 0:40:17.980 the economy of the time. Three of the words are abbreviations, 0:40:18.420 --> 0:40:24.620 but it says in my poor Latin Erastus pro dilatata 0:40:24.860 --> 0:40:31.740 sua pecunia struvite, or in English Erastus, for his aedileship, 0:40:31.780 --> 0:40:35.460 laid the pavement at his own expense. The letters of 0:40:35.460 --> 0:40:38.299 the inscription would originally have been filled with bronze of 0:40:38.300 --> 0:40:41.420 the metals gone, but the inscription is still very legible 0:40:41.420 --> 0:40:45.580 even after 2000 years. The office of aedile might be 0:40:45.580 --> 0:40:48.780 compared to that either of a city treasurer or public 0:40:48.780 --> 0:40:54.300 works commissioner. Today they maintain public buildings, regulated public festivals, 0:40:54.300 --> 0:40:57.580 and even had the power to enforce public order. But 0:40:57.580 --> 0:41:01.299 what makes this inscription so special? Most date the inscription 0:41:01.300 --> 0:41:04.620 to around A.D. 50, during the reign of Emperor Claudius. 0:41:04.940 --> 0:41:08.730 This city official named Erastus authorized the laying of the 0:41:08.730 --> 0:41:12.450 pavement in the theater area, but he also personally paid 0:41:12.450 --> 0:41:16.049 for the pavement to be laid. This generous donation suggests 0:41:16.050 --> 0:41:19.130 that Erastus was not only an important leader in the 0:41:19.130 --> 0:41:21.689 government of Corinth, but that he was also a man 0:41:21.690 --> 0:41:24.089 of some financial means to be able to cover the 0:41:24.090 --> 0:41:28.090 cost personally. But I've still not answered your question. What 0:41:28.090 --> 0:41:31.890 makes this inscription so special? To answer that, let's visit 0:41:31.890 --> 0:41:35.969 Corinth about that time. We know from acts 1811 that 0:41:35.969 --> 0:41:40.370 Paul spent 18 months in Corinth during his second missionary journey, 0:41:40.650 --> 0:41:42.770 and the next verse says he was there when Gallio 0:41:42.770 --> 0:41:47.529 was proconsul of Achaia. That's right around A.D. 51 to 52. 0:41:47.930 --> 0:41:51.010 The Erastus who laid the pavement in Corinth would likely 0:41:51.010 --> 0:41:53.850 have been a prominent official in Corinth about the same 0:41:53.850 --> 0:41:57.970 time in acts 20. On his third missionary journey, Paul 0:41:57.969 --> 0:42:01.890 spent an additional three months in Greece, most likely in Corinth, 0:42:02.010 --> 0:42:04.370 and it was during this visit to Corinth when Paul 0:42:04.370 --> 0:42:07.440 wrote his letter to the church in Rome. At the 0:42:07.440 --> 0:42:10.120 end of that letter, Paul includes a series of greetings, 0:42:10.120 --> 0:42:13.320 first to friends in Rome and then from individuals with 0:42:13.320 --> 0:42:16.479 him in Greece. And it's one of those individuals who 0:42:16.480 --> 0:42:20.640 now steps onto the pages of Bible history. In Romans 16, 0:42:20.840 --> 0:42:24.320 Paul sends the church in Rome a greeting from Erastus, 0:42:24.360 --> 0:42:28.880 the city treasurer. Other translations identify him as the director 0:42:28.880 --> 0:42:32.760 of public works. In describing Erastus, Paul used the Greek 0:42:32.760 --> 0:42:36.680 word oikonomos, from which we get the word economy. The 0:42:36.680 --> 0:42:39.200 word has a general idea of stewardship, and was used 0:42:39.200 --> 0:42:42.880 of individuals who managed the households or estates of others 0:42:43.200 --> 0:42:46.000 used in reference to a city. It helps describe someone 0:42:46.000 --> 0:42:49.359 who handled the finances and affairs of that city, or, 0:42:49.360 --> 0:42:53.400 to use the Latin expression, he was the aedile at Corinth. 0:42:53.800 --> 0:42:56.920 The odds of two different men named Erastus holding the 0:42:56.920 --> 0:43:00.320 same position in Corinth at about the same time seems 0:43:00.320 --> 0:43:04.120 pretty unlikely. The Erastus being referred to by Paul is 0:43:04.260 --> 0:43:08.100 almost certainly the same one who laid the pavement outside 0:43:08.100 --> 0:43:11.660 the theater in Corinth at his own expense. This inscription 0:43:11.660 --> 0:43:14.339 is fascinating. If all it tells us is that a 0:43:14.340 --> 0:43:17.940 highly placed public figure in Corinth was a friend of Paul, 0:43:18.140 --> 0:43:21.779 but Erastus appears two additional times in the Bible. In 0:43:21.780 --> 0:43:24.740 acts 19, Paul was in Ephesus. He planned to eventually 0:43:24.739 --> 0:43:27.819 travel to Jerusalem after taking up a collection for the 0:43:27.860 --> 0:43:31.820 saints there from the churches in Asia, Macedonia and Greece, 0:43:32.140 --> 0:43:35.220 while Paul finished his work in Ephesus. Verse 22 says 0:43:35.219 --> 0:43:38.700 that he sent two of his helpers, Timothy and Erastus, 0:43:38.739 --> 0:43:41.700 to Macedonia. It would seem that in addition to his 0:43:41.700 --> 0:43:45.460 public service in Corinth, Erastus also found time to travel 0:43:45.460 --> 0:43:49.460 with Paul. Perhaps his expertise in financial matters made him 0:43:49.460 --> 0:43:53.299 a logical choice to help organize the collection for the saints. 0:43:53.700 --> 0:43:56.900 But in this verse, Luke uses the verb diacono to 0:43:56.940 --> 0:44:01.020 stress that both Timothy and Erastus were serving or ministering 0:44:01.060 --> 0:44:04.330 to Paul. Erastus took on the role of one willing 0:44:04.370 --> 0:44:08.450 to serve another to help Paul. The final time Erastus 0:44:08.450 --> 0:44:11.609 appears in the Bible is in Second Timothy four. As 0:44:11.610 --> 0:44:14.290 Paul writes from prison in Rome, he ends with an 0:44:14.290 --> 0:44:17.650 appeal to Timothy to come as soon as possible. Paul 0:44:17.650 --> 0:44:20.089 records the names of those who had abandoned him in 0:44:20.090 --> 0:44:22.850 his time of trouble, but he also gives Timothy a 0:44:22.890 --> 0:44:26.010 list of those who were not currently with him. By 0:44:26.010 --> 0:44:29.009 separating the groups, it seems Paul is helping Timothy know 0:44:29.010 --> 0:44:32.690 where to find these individuals who were still faithful and 0:44:32.690 --> 0:44:36.129 who might not even know Paul's current circumstances. And in 0:44:36.130 --> 0:44:40.290 verse 20, Paul simply notes, Erastus stayed in Corinth, and 0:44:40.290 --> 0:44:43.850 I left Trophimus sick in Miletus as Paul went along 0:44:43.850 --> 0:44:47.049 on his journey. Following his first imprisonment in Rome, he 0:44:47.050 --> 0:44:51.690 traveled through Corinth, allowing Erastus to once again return to family, friends, 0:44:51.690 --> 0:44:55.050 and church. It's a parting note from Paul regarding someone 0:44:55.050 --> 0:44:58.250 Timothy could visit should his journey to Rome bring him 0:44:58.250 --> 0:45:01.130 through Corinth. Well, it's time to hike back up to 0:45:01.170 --> 0:45:03.959 the parking lot and say goodbye to Corinth and this 0:45:04.000 --> 0:45:07.000 inscription from Erastus. But before we go, let me ask 0:45:07.000 --> 0:45:10.600 one key question. What does this inscription have to do 0:45:10.600 --> 0:45:16.080 with us today? Actually, I see two applications that seem appropriate. First, 0:45:16.120 --> 0:45:19.600 Erastus was able to serve as a believer in government, 0:45:19.600 --> 0:45:22.360 even in a government that was often opposed to Christians. 0:45:22.640 --> 0:45:26.160 Much like Daniel serving in Babylon, Erastus was able to 0:45:26.160 --> 0:45:29.640 be a beacon of light in an arena often antagonistic 0:45:29.640 --> 0:45:33.240 to the God of the Bible. That took courage and conviction. 0:45:33.680 --> 0:45:37.200 And second, Erastus might have been an important government official, 0:45:37.200 --> 0:45:40.320 but he also used his gifts and abilities to serve 0:45:40.320 --> 0:45:43.400 the people of God. He traveled with Timothy and ministered 0:45:43.400 --> 0:45:45.680 to Paul. We're not told what he did, but in 0:45:45.680 --> 0:45:50.000 the historical context, he likely used his administrative and financial 0:45:50.000 --> 0:45:53.239 skills to help the church collect and handle the funds 0:45:53.280 --> 0:45:56.000 being gathered for the saints in Judea, to make sure 0:45:56.000 --> 0:46:00.160 everything was done decently and in order. Being too important 0:46:00.230 --> 0:46:03.950 or being too busy. Weren't excuses used by Erastus to 0:46:03.989 --> 0:46:06.989 keep from serving the larger body of Christ? Now, if 0:46:06.989 --> 0:46:08.870 you want to see the inscription, head to our land. 0:46:08.870 --> 0:46:11.310 In the book Facebook page where I posted my most 0:46:11.350 --> 0:46:13.950 recent photo of it, the high weeds are gone and 0:46:13.950 --> 0:46:16.270 the letters are quite visible, and you'll be able to 0:46:16.270 --> 0:46:19.790 make out the words Erastus, Pro and Struvite even if 0:46:19.790 --> 0:46:21.830 you don't know Latin. All right. 0:46:21.989 --> 0:46:24.830 We'll look for that weed free visit there at our 0:46:24.830 --> 0:46:27.550 Facebook page. Thank you Charlie. And we want to encourage 0:46:27.550 --> 0:46:29.790 you to visit our website as well. It's the land 0:46:29.790 --> 0:46:32.989 and the book where you'll find our podcast that you 0:46:32.989 --> 0:46:35.910 can enjoy for yourself or share with any friend. Again, 0:46:35.950 --> 0:46:38.510 you'll find us at the land and the book for 0:46:39.710 --> 0:46:42.150 our time is gone. But as always, we thank our producer, 0:46:42.150 --> 0:46:45.109 Dan Anderson, who keeps us all on track. Our host, 0:46:45.110 --> 0:46:48.310 Charlie Dyer. I'm John Gager. Thanks to this station for 0:46:48.310 --> 0:46:51.150 carving out airtime for the land and the book. A 0:46:51.150 --> 0:46:54.950 production of Moody Radio, a ministry of Moody Bible Institute.