1 00:00:00,120 --> 00:00:03,040 S1: Hey, it's Diana super Di and so glad you've tuned 2 00:00:03,040 --> 00:00:05,920 S1: in to the Carl and Crew show cast. You know, 3 00:00:05,960 --> 00:00:09,320 S1: we air live weekday mornings, 5 to 9 central. For 4 00:00:09,320 --> 00:00:11,920 S1: all the great ways to listen, just head to Carl 5 00:00:11,920 --> 00:00:12,720 S1: and crew for. 6 00:00:14,280 --> 00:00:18,239 S2: Coming to you live in studio. It's Carl and crew 7 00:00:18,239 --> 00:00:19,520 S2: on Moody Radio. 8 00:00:20,640 --> 00:00:23,040 S3: Okay, I'm with David Crowder Band right there. We want 9 00:00:23,079 --> 00:00:26,439 S3: to wish you a merry Christmas from the bottom of 10 00:00:26,440 --> 00:00:27,120 S3: our heart. 11 00:00:27,160 --> 00:00:29,360 S4: Absolutely. It's Christmas time. 12 00:00:29,360 --> 00:00:32,920 S3: It's Christmas time and a great time. It is. Uh, 13 00:00:32,960 --> 00:00:37,320 S3: you know, I gotta tell you, man, imagine. Do you 14 00:00:37,360 --> 00:00:39,520 S3: know AI has been around a long time? 15 00:00:40,440 --> 00:00:41,320 S5: A long time. 16 00:00:41,320 --> 00:00:42,959 S3: Yeah, long, long time. 17 00:00:42,960 --> 00:00:44,280 S5: I thought it was a fairly new. 18 00:00:44,320 --> 00:00:45,120 S4: I was going to say. 19 00:00:45,520 --> 00:00:46,960 S5: Or do we not know about it? 20 00:00:47,280 --> 00:00:51,480 S3: Well, it was, it was called something different many years ago. 21 00:00:51,720 --> 00:00:53,680 S3: Anyone want to take a guess what it was? 22 00:00:55,160 --> 00:00:55,560 S4: Uh. 23 00:00:55,920 --> 00:00:56,480 S5: You see. 24 00:00:56,480 --> 00:00:57,400 S4: I. Yeah. I don't know. 25 00:00:57,880 --> 00:01:01,810 S3: Supernatural Intelligence. It's called prophecy. 26 00:01:01,850 --> 00:01:04,250 S5: Oh, gotcha. 27 00:01:04,770 --> 00:01:08,730 S3: Artificial intelligence has got nothing on God. He knows it all. 28 00:01:08,770 --> 00:01:09,850 S4: Well, that's very true. 29 00:01:10,530 --> 00:01:14,450 S3: And I love this passage. Think about this. I mean, 30 00:01:14,490 --> 00:01:19,890 S3: we say the word prophecy, but to have the inside 31 00:01:19,930 --> 00:01:24,530 S3: skinny on what's going to go down hundreds of years 32 00:01:24,530 --> 00:01:29,170 S3: before it does. Come on, man. That takes AI to 33 00:01:29,209 --> 00:01:33,410 S3: the next level. Are you kidding me? Because AI can't 34 00:01:33,410 --> 00:01:35,569 S3: tell you what's coming in 400 years. 35 00:01:36,090 --> 00:01:36,370 S5: No. 36 00:01:36,490 --> 00:01:37,530 S4: Well, that's very true. 37 00:01:37,890 --> 00:01:41,250 S3: Listen to this. For to us, a child is born. 38 00:01:41,650 --> 00:01:45,170 S3: To us a son is given. And the government shall 39 00:01:45,170 --> 00:01:48,330 S3: be upon his shoulder. And his name shall be called 40 00:01:48,330 --> 00:01:54,809 S3: Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace, of 41 00:01:54,810 --> 00:01:58,290 S3: the increase of his government and of peace, there will 42 00:01:58,290 --> 00:02:01,330 S3: be no end on the throne of David and over 43 00:02:01,330 --> 00:02:04,410 S3: his kingdom to establish it and to uphold it with 44 00:02:04,410 --> 00:02:10,850 S3: justice and with righteousness from this time forth and forever evermore. 45 00:02:11,090 --> 00:02:16,290 S3: The zeal of the Lord of hosts will do this. Wow, 46 00:02:17,530 --> 00:02:22,609 S3: how epic for Isaiah to get this prophecy downloaded to 47 00:02:22,650 --> 00:02:26,450 S3: him hundreds of years before this would even happen. Do 48 00:02:26,450 --> 00:02:28,769 S3: we even get our mind around that, guys? 49 00:02:28,810 --> 00:02:31,010 S5: I don't think we do. Totally. I think it's one 50 00:02:31,010 --> 00:02:36,010 S5: of those things where familiarity. You've maybe heard it a lot, 51 00:02:36,050 --> 00:02:39,330 S5: or especially around this time of year. Yeah. Unto us 52 00:02:39,330 --> 00:02:41,650 S5: a child is born. Unto us a son is given. 53 00:02:41,690 --> 00:02:45,970 S4: Do you think that Isaiah knew he wouldn't see it 54 00:02:45,970 --> 00:02:48,770 S4: in his lifetime? You know, he talked about it. He 55 00:02:48,770 --> 00:02:51,170 S4: prophesied it. He. He didn't know it was going to 56 00:02:51,169 --> 00:02:54,250 S4: be because it didn't say in 400 years from now, 57 00:02:54,730 --> 00:02:57,010 S4: you know. So do you think that he thought he 58 00:02:57,010 --> 00:02:59,180 S4: was going to see these things, because that would be 59 00:02:59,180 --> 00:03:01,340 S4: kind of hard to give the prophecy and be like, 60 00:03:01,540 --> 00:03:03,500 S4: I have no idea when it's going to come. I 61 00:03:03,500 --> 00:03:05,580 S4: guess we'll see. And he's waiting for it and it 62 00:03:05,580 --> 00:03:06,340 S4: doesn't come. 63 00:03:06,380 --> 00:03:10,260 S3: That's an interesting question because Jeremiah saw some things fulfilled. 64 00:03:10,700 --> 00:03:13,579 S3: He also didn't see lots of things fulfilled. 65 00:03:14,020 --> 00:03:15,340 S4: Probably a piece to it. 66 00:03:15,380 --> 00:03:17,900 S3: I think it's a coin flip on that one. Yeah, I. 67 00:03:18,060 --> 00:03:21,060 S3: Did he want to see it fulfilled? Yes. Yeah. You 68 00:03:21,060 --> 00:03:24,460 S3: betcha man. He wanted to see that bad boy fulfilled. 69 00:03:24,620 --> 00:03:25,340 S3: Who didn't? 70 00:03:25,500 --> 00:03:27,580 S4: Hard. When you're prophesying the savior of the world, you 71 00:03:27,620 --> 00:03:28,859 S4: want to see that fulfilled. 72 00:03:28,900 --> 00:03:31,780 S3: You know, it's an interesting thing because you think, oh, boy, 73 00:03:31,820 --> 00:03:37,140 S3: the early disciples of Christ, they didn't. They were expecting 74 00:03:37,180 --> 00:03:40,780 S3: too much, uh, to happen in the here and now 75 00:03:40,780 --> 00:03:45,060 S3: from Jesus, but not really, because what was prophesied of 76 00:03:45,060 --> 00:03:47,620 S3: the increase of his government and peace, there will be 77 00:03:47,620 --> 00:03:51,940 S3: no end. So it says the government shall be upon 78 00:03:51,940 --> 00:03:55,900 S3: his shoulder. Now the kingdom of God turned out to 79 00:03:55,900 --> 00:04:01,190 S3: be much different than an earthly kingdom, but they sure 80 00:04:01,190 --> 00:04:03,910 S3: would have thought in the context of everything. I mean, 81 00:04:03,910 --> 00:04:07,470 S3: you got to cut these early disciples some slack when 82 00:04:07,470 --> 00:04:09,990 S3: he said, I'm going to prepare a place for you. 83 00:04:10,030 --> 00:04:11,950 S3: They're like, hold it a second. 84 00:04:11,990 --> 00:04:12,910 S4: What are you talking about? 85 00:04:12,950 --> 00:04:16,510 S3: Or remember what Isaiah said, for crying out loud. 86 00:04:16,550 --> 00:04:18,270 S4: Or when he says that he's going to go and 87 00:04:18,270 --> 00:04:21,710 S4: be crucified. And Peter's like, yeah, not on my watch. 88 00:04:21,750 --> 00:04:24,029 S4: Like that ain't gonna happen to you. Don't talk like that. 89 00:04:24,070 --> 00:04:29,789 S3: Yeah, yeah, it's an amazing thing. Well, speaking of AI, 90 00:04:30,070 --> 00:04:32,070 S3: it's been a while since we've had our expert in here, 91 00:04:32,070 --> 00:04:33,710 S3: and I got a text here about a half an 92 00:04:33,710 --> 00:04:40,229 S3: hour ago from someone. And their statement was funny. It's like, hey, uh, 93 00:04:40,310 --> 00:04:44,190 S3: we haven't heard from Drew Dickens. They didn't call him drew. Uh, 94 00:04:44,190 --> 00:04:47,430 S3: can you can you tell me, uh, what's what's going on? 95 00:04:47,430 --> 00:04:49,790 S3: A lot's happened in AI. I'm wondering if you guys 96 00:04:49,790 --> 00:04:51,990 S3: can have him in, I said, yeah, I'm about 25 minutes. 97 00:04:52,029 --> 00:04:52,990 S3: We're gonna have him back. 98 00:04:53,070 --> 00:04:55,760 S5: Doesn't always happen like that. Timing is everything. 99 00:04:57,160 --> 00:04:59,279 S3: Yeah, but we're gonna have Drew Dickens coming in here. 100 00:04:59,320 --> 00:05:02,360 S3: Merry Christmas, everybody, man. I'll tell you what. We have 101 00:05:02,360 --> 00:05:06,640 S3: got an opportunity today in this season to worship Jesus, 102 00:05:07,040 --> 00:05:10,360 S3: the king of Kings of a brand new kingdom. 103 00:05:10,720 --> 00:05:13,520 S2: Tune in whenever you like. Check out the Carl and 104 00:05:13,520 --> 00:05:16,120 S2: Crew podcast wherever you like to stream. 105 00:05:17,680 --> 00:05:22,120 S3: Spend some time. Yesterday had a big old, uh. It's 106 00:05:22,160 --> 00:05:24,560 S3: kind of cool. We had a love feast. That sounds 107 00:05:24,560 --> 00:05:25,239 S3: like a strange. 108 00:05:25,279 --> 00:05:26,120 S5: What is that? 109 00:05:26,160 --> 00:05:30,360 S3: Well, um, we both of our campuses, we had an 110 00:05:30,360 --> 00:05:33,119 S3: incredible time of connection where we had people bring in 111 00:05:33,120 --> 00:05:37,279 S3: food from all of their culture groups. And when you 112 00:05:37,320 --> 00:05:41,480 S3: got 22 languages spoken, you get some awesome different foods, man. 113 00:05:41,760 --> 00:05:44,080 S3: And it was epic. And it was great because you 114 00:05:44,120 --> 00:05:46,680 S3: got new people that show up on Sundays and they 115 00:05:46,680 --> 00:05:49,680 S3: come in and they're like, whoa, we are getting fed 116 00:05:49,720 --> 00:05:50,800 S3: a feast here. 117 00:05:51,120 --> 00:05:51,680 S5: Happen every. 118 00:05:51,680 --> 00:05:54,920 S3: Week. And it's so weird because the campuses were loaded 119 00:05:54,920 --> 00:05:57,520 S3: with people. And then you got guests coming in and 120 00:05:57,520 --> 00:06:01,479 S3: they're loading up plates full of food and they're like, yeah, 121 00:06:01,520 --> 00:06:03,279 S3: does this happen every week? 122 00:06:04,160 --> 00:06:04,640 S5: Can it? 123 00:06:05,120 --> 00:06:07,960 S3: Pretty cool stuff. Um, but one of the things that 124 00:06:07,960 --> 00:06:12,559 S3: we were really tackling downtown was, uh, I know this name. 125 00:06:12,560 --> 00:06:14,680 S3: And the question is, how do you know the name 126 00:06:14,720 --> 00:06:17,719 S3: of Jesus? And I want to just repeat again something 127 00:06:17,720 --> 00:06:21,040 S3: we've been on here heavily lately, and that is, apart 128 00:06:21,040 --> 00:06:24,440 S3: from repentance, there is no good news. Make sure you're 129 00:06:24,440 --> 00:06:27,719 S3: not just grafted into a culture group that's singing Silent 130 00:06:27,760 --> 00:06:31,760 S3: Night and raising candles at Christmas. But ask yourself, do 131 00:06:31,760 --> 00:06:35,760 S3: I know Jesus? And does he know me? I just 132 00:06:35,880 --> 00:06:39,920 S3: just camp there. It's better to have you ask that 133 00:06:39,920 --> 00:06:43,719 S3: question now than to be surprised by the answer when 134 00:06:43,720 --> 00:06:47,479 S3: the end comes. Just my heart to yours this morning. Well, 135 00:06:47,520 --> 00:06:50,320 S3: as promised, here, we had someone text us this morning 136 00:06:50,320 --> 00:06:53,930 S3: and say, hey, where's that, uh, An expert where in 137 00:06:53,930 --> 00:06:55,850 S3: the world to yet because we haven't heard from him 138 00:06:55,850 --> 00:06:57,890 S3: in a while and it's been a while. Drew Dickens, 139 00:06:57,890 --> 00:06:59,250 S3: good to have you with us, my man. 140 00:06:59,690 --> 00:07:01,849 S6: Hey. Good morning. So my my fan club is starting 141 00:07:01,850 --> 00:07:03,170 S6: to test you guys ahead of time. 142 00:07:03,370 --> 00:07:06,170 S3: We actually, you actually do have a fan club here. 143 00:07:06,210 --> 00:07:07,890 S3: No joking. Right, guys? I mean. 144 00:07:08,010 --> 00:07:08,690 S5: Yeah, absolutely. 145 00:07:09,050 --> 00:07:13,370 S3: Amount of folks. Yeah, I'm probably the biggest one. All right, drew, 146 00:07:13,410 --> 00:07:16,530 S3: it's been a couple of weeks here. This thing's moving. 147 00:07:16,610 --> 00:07:18,450 S3: As a matter of fact, I want you to interact 148 00:07:18,450 --> 00:07:22,610 S3: with this. Elon Musk said just a few days ago. 149 00:07:22,610 --> 00:07:24,810 S3: He said he doesn't think there's going to be a 150 00:07:24,850 --> 00:07:28,290 S3: lull in this AI action. What's going on here, my man? 151 00:07:29,130 --> 00:07:32,530 S6: You know, I was reminded of, uh, Daniel 12. Right. 152 00:07:32,930 --> 00:07:35,170 S6: But you, Daniel, shut up. The word seal the book 153 00:07:35,210 --> 00:07:37,330 S6: until the end time and many will run to and 154 00:07:37,330 --> 00:07:41,330 S6: fro and knowledge will increase. Yes. And I was I 155 00:07:41,330 --> 00:07:42,890 S6: was I was touched on that. And then with your 156 00:07:42,890 --> 00:07:47,610 S6: question just now about how fast this thing is, is moving, uh, 157 00:07:47,610 --> 00:07:49,810 S6: one of the things that's a buzz right now is 158 00:07:49,810 --> 00:07:54,860 S6: called recursive self-improvement. And that's these things, these language models 159 00:07:54,860 --> 00:08:00,580 S6: becoming smarter by their own design. So the models are 160 00:08:00,860 --> 00:08:05,500 S6: increasing in knowledge by worldly standards on their own taking. 161 00:08:05,540 --> 00:08:09,140 S3: They're taking the knowledge that they currently have. And it 162 00:08:09,140 --> 00:08:11,780 S3: becomes a multiplier rather than a static. 163 00:08:12,060 --> 00:08:15,260 S6: Something becomes what they call synthetic knowledge. So it's it's 164 00:08:15,260 --> 00:08:18,260 S6: creating its own version of that and which is allowing 165 00:08:18,260 --> 00:08:21,780 S6: it to multiply it magnitudes of scale that we could 166 00:08:21,780 --> 00:08:25,260 S6: not have imagined. So Elon's on point. Uh, so many 167 00:08:25,260 --> 00:08:27,900 S6: of the language models are are growing. There's a lot 168 00:08:27,900 --> 00:08:30,620 S6: of threat right now from open AI by Google, because 169 00:08:30,660 --> 00:08:33,179 S6: Google's coming out with so many new products seems like 170 00:08:33,179 --> 00:08:36,260 S6: every week. So OpenAI is now, you know, feels threatened 171 00:08:36,260 --> 00:08:38,740 S6: by that. They're under code red, they call it. And 172 00:08:38,740 --> 00:08:41,500 S6: so they're scrambling to get things out faster and faster 173 00:08:41,500 --> 00:08:44,300 S6: and faster, more and more and more knowledge. So it's 174 00:08:44,300 --> 00:08:46,219 S6: it's a it's a crazy time. 175 00:08:46,260 --> 00:08:50,270 S5: Doctor Drew Dickens, our guest right now, visionary leader, AI expert. Uh, Expert. 176 00:08:50,309 --> 00:08:54,230 S5: You have this podcast that I find fascinating. Talk about 177 00:08:54,230 --> 00:08:59,150 S5: the ways that the algorithm is shaping and in some 178 00:08:59,150 --> 00:09:04,470 S5: ways discipling us instead of pastors and leaders. How is 179 00:09:04,470 --> 00:09:06,429 S5: AI affecting our soul? 180 00:09:06,950 --> 00:09:09,910 S6: Yeah. So someone has been listening to my last episode. 181 00:09:09,910 --> 00:09:13,189 S6: Well done. Because that's exactly the passion that I, that 182 00:09:13,190 --> 00:09:16,070 S6: I have, that I talk about three threats right now. 183 00:09:16,270 --> 00:09:19,390 S6: And I don't mean to be all, uh, melodramatic with that, 184 00:09:19,390 --> 00:09:22,390 S6: but it really, the more I speak at seminaries and 185 00:09:22,390 --> 00:09:25,510 S6: churches and conferences around the nation, there are three things. 186 00:09:25,510 --> 00:09:29,390 S6: One is the attack on biblical authority. Uh, the other 187 00:09:29,390 --> 00:09:32,470 S6: is the attack on embodied communities. But then what you 188 00:09:32,470 --> 00:09:35,390 S6: just mentioned is we are all every time we open 189 00:09:35,390 --> 00:09:38,790 S6: up Instagram and we start scrolling doom scrolling through Instagram, 190 00:09:39,070 --> 00:09:43,110 S6: we are being discipled. It is learning what we want 191 00:09:43,110 --> 00:09:45,670 S6: and feeding more of that back to us. And so 192 00:09:45,670 --> 00:09:47,590 S6: we are being discipled every time we open up our 193 00:09:47,590 --> 00:09:52,230 S6: phones anyway. but with the quote unquote knowledge of AI 194 00:09:52,910 --> 00:09:55,390 S6: being able to learn what we're doing and apply it 195 00:09:55,390 --> 00:09:59,189 S6: back to us, that's essentially discipleship. So we're being discipled 196 00:09:59,190 --> 00:10:01,590 S6: every time we open up AI, every time we engage 197 00:10:01,590 --> 00:10:05,230 S6: with social media that uses AI. Um, that's all optimized 198 00:10:05,230 --> 00:10:07,990 S6: for engagement. And so we really need to be cautious. 199 00:10:07,990 --> 00:10:09,990 S6: I think right now in this world is moving so 200 00:10:09,990 --> 00:10:14,109 S6: fast about watching that algorithmic spiritual formation. 201 00:10:14,830 --> 00:10:20,030 S3: Uh, drew, Jamie Dimon, uh, was interviewed. I guess it 202 00:10:20,030 --> 00:10:22,150 S3: was two weeks ago. I don't know if you saw 203 00:10:22,150 --> 00:10:25,550 S3: his take on AI, but his he was I don't 204 00:10:25,550 --> 00:10:28,990 S3: know if he's trying to calm his investors at his bank. 205 00:10:29,150 --> 00:10:32,510 S3: I don't know what his intention is, but he's saying 206 00:10:32,710 --> 00:10:36,710 S3: this will be nothing more than what the wheel was, 207 00:10:36,990 --> 00:10:42,230 S3: what the printing press was. What's going on? Um, his 208 00:10:42,270 --> 00:10:45,829 S3: his contention is more jobs will be created, people will 209 00:10:45,830 --> 00:10:49,480 S3: be displaced from current jobs, but other ones will arise. 210 00:10:49,480 --> 00:10:50,240 S3: What do you say? 211 00:10:50,760 --> 00:10:53,319 S6: Yeah, he's the head of JP Morgan. So a lot 212 00:10:53,360 --> 00:10:56,040 S6: of people are looking to people like that. Is this 213 00:10:56,040 --> 00:10:57,800 S6: a bubble? I do think we're in a bit of 214 00:10:57,800 --> 00:11:00,199 S6: a financial bubble. I think there's some people that are 215 00:11:00,600 --> 00:11:04,560 S6: invested a little too much, uh, into AI. But as 216 00:11:04,559 --> 00:11:08,320 S6: far as the, uh, the social effects of it, the theological, 217 00:11:08,360 --> 00:11:11,040 S6: the spiritual effects of it, um, I think it'll be 218 00:11:11,040 --> 00:11:13,200 S6: greater than that. I think it's going to be have 219 00:11:13,240 --> 00:11:16,400 S6: have an effect, uh, the level of which the printing 220 00:11:16,400 --> 00:11:21,280 S6: press drove the Reformation. Uh, so it and only because 221 00:11:21,280 --> 00:11:24,560 S6: it's so subtle, uh, we sit in the pew and 222 00:11:24,559 --> 00:11:26,800 S6: we don't realize what it's doing. We don't have to 223 00:11:26,840 --> 00:11:29,200 S6: hold it in our hand. And so we don't we 224 00:11:29,240 --> 00:11:32,400 S6: don't see it coming. Um, and it's so easily dismissed 225 00:11:32,400 --> 00:11:35,080 S6: as a meme or a joke to so many people. Hey, 226 00:11:35,160 --> 00:11:37,439 S6: it drew a picture of a cat or whatever. Um, 227 00:11:37,440 --> 00:11:41,360 S6: I think it's going to be, um, uh, so, so, uh, 228 00:11:41,800 --> 00:11:45,240 S6: silent in how it navigates through our spiritual life. Uh, 229 00:11:45,240 --> 00:11:48,329 S6: I think it will have actually greater effect. I think 230 00:11:48,370 --> 00:11:50,770 S6: it's being undersold right now, spiritually. 231 00:11:50,929 --> 00:11:54,209 S3: Interesting. Okay. Drew Dickens, our guest right now we've got 232 00:11:54,210 --> 00:11:57,689 S3: a crazy question. We're going to be asking every guest 233 00:11:57,690 --> 00:11:59,929 S3: that comes in this week, and we are loaded as 234 00:11:59,929 --> 00:12:02,530 S3: we head up toward Christmas here. But we're going to 235 00:12:02,530 --> 00:12:05,290 S3: talk a little bit more about discipleship and then get 236 00:12:05,290 --> 00:12:09,130 S3: that crazy question in with our AI expert, Drew Dickens. 237 00:12:09,410 --> 00:12:12,689 S3: Drew Dickens, our AI expert here with us on this 238 00:12:12,690 --> 00:12:15,650 S3: beautiful morning. And no matter where you are, you got 239 00:12:15,650 --> 00:12:18,490 S3: to know what's going on. I am using AI so 240 00:12:18,490 --> 00:12:22,530 S3: much right now. ChatGPT is where I've been camped here 241 00:12:22,530 --> 00:12:26,410 S3: with your counsel, my friend. What are the platforms that 242 00:12:26,410 --> 00:12:29,290 S3: can be most trusted in your opinion right now for 243 00:12:29,290 --> 00:12:31,050 S3: people that are exploring AI? 244 00:12:31,410 --> 00:12:33,370 S6: Yeah. Since I first met you a year ago, you 245 00:12:33,410 --> 00:12:35,730 S6: kind of fell off the grok wagon. 246 00:12:35,770 --> 00:12:38,490 S3: Well, you talked me off the grok wagon, for crying 247 00:12:38,490 --> 00:12:40,650 S3: out loud. Well, you told me. Get off. 248 00:12:40,690 --> 00:12:43,770 S6: It's only got. It's only gotten more crazy. The guardrails 249 00:12:43,770 --> 00:12:46,179 S6: are just, like, tossed out the window on grok. It's 250 00:12:46,179 --> 00:12:48,700 S6: pretty wild. And I think I think. Be careful. I 251 00:12:48,700 --> 00:12:51,300 S6: think OpenAI is going to be right behind that. They're 252 00:12:51,300 --> 00:12:53,979 S6: in panic mode right now trying to stay in front 253 00:12:54,179 --> 00:12:56,100 S6: of the in the AI race, and they're starting to 254 00:12:56,100 --> 00:12:57,740 S6: lower some of their guardrails. 255 00:12:57,780 --> 00:13:00,100 S3: Well, let me ask you a question about that. So 256 00:13:00,100 --> 00:13:03,140 S3: are you implying that because of OpenAI trying to catch 257 00:13:03,140 --> 00:13:05,380 S3: up with grok and all these other platforms and now 258 00:13:05,380 --> 00:13:08,660 S3: Google's going to be rolling in? Are you saying that 259 00:13:08,660 --> 00:13:10,660 S3: it's going to get more of a Wild West out 260 00:13:10,660 --> 00:13:15,260 S3: there in AI world? The information could get worse, not better. 261 00:13:16,100 --> 00:13:18,580 S6: I think what's going to happen is sometimes if you 262 00:13:18,620 --> 00:13:20,820 S6: are on any of these language models and you ask 263 00:13:20,820 --> 00:13:22,660 S6: it a question, it may pop up and say that 264 00:13:22,700 --> 00:13:26,459 S6: that that's beyond our community standards. So they're they're attempting 265 00:13:26,500 --> 00:13:29,740 S6: to to keep some guardrails up. They're starting to lower those. 266 00:13:29,740 --> 00:13:32,580 S6: Grok has the most OpenAI already has said they're going 267 00:13:32,580 --> 00:13:36,420 S6: to start introducing some erotic content, uh, after the first 268 00:13:36,420 --> 00:13:38,980 S6: of the year. Um, I think Google is probably one 269 00:13:38,980 --> 00:13:41,940 S6: of the safest right now. Um, and they're really the 270 00:13:41,940 --> 00:13:46,620 S6: most innovative in some AI products right now. So I'm 271 00:13:46,620 --> 00:13:48,939 S6: starting to spend a little more time with with Gemini. 272 00:13:49,340 --> 00:13:51,780 S6: They just came out with Gemini three. I say just 273 00:13:51,780 --> 00:13:54,699 S6: a couple of weeks ago, which is already ancient. But um, 274 00:13:54,740 --> 00:14:00,660 S6: but open AI is now come out with with, uh, four. No, 55152. 275 00:14:00,820 --> 00:14:03,460 S6: They just came out with the, you know, earlier or 276 00:14:03,500 --> 00:14:07,300 S6: late last week. So I, I'm probably leaning more towards 277 00:14:07,300 --> 00:14:09,500 S6: Gemini right now, which is Google's language model. 278 00:14:10,020 --> 00:14:12,580 S5: Drew Dickens, doctor Drew Dickens, our guest right now, speaking 279 00:14:12,580 --> 00:14:14,339 S5: of guardrails, and I want to give a little bit 280 00:14:14,340 --> 00:14:17,220 S5: of a little ear warning here on this question, but 281 00:14:17,220 --> 00:14:22,540 S5: there have been some high profile cases involving ChatGPT AI, 282 00:14:22,580 --> 00:14:25,540 S5: where it has been used in some pretty harmful ways. 283 00:14:25,580 --> 00:14:30,060 S5: Wrongful death, some psychological harm. Lawsuits. What do parents need 284 00:14:30,100 --> 00:14:33,300 S5: to be aware of when it comes to how some 285 00:14:33,300 --> 00:14:36,180 S5: of this is being used, particularly by younger people? 286 00:14:37,100 --> 00:14:39,780 S6: Yeah, there's so many. Oh my gosh, what a great question. 287 00:14:39,780 --> 00:14:43,590 S6: And there have been several, uh, suicides and deaths. Uh, 288 00:14:43,590 --> 00:14:46,110 S6: and so, uh, and if anybody is out there is 289 00:14:46,110 --> 00:14:49,510 S6: aware of that, please reach out to a healthcare professional 290 00:14:49,990 --> 00:14:53,230 S6: for help in this area. But, um, probably nothing more than, 291 00:14:53,230 --> 00:14:57,710 S6: than we've heard, which is, uh, communicate talk. And I 292 00:14:57,710 --> 00:15:02,150 S6: know that's hard with teenagers. Uh, we've raised two, um, but, uh, 293 00:15:02,150 --> 00:15:04,510 S6: know what's going on with with their phones. What's so 294 00:15:04,510 --> 00:15:06,510 S6: hard to do now, though, is so many of these 295 00:15:06,510 --> 00:15:10,070 S6: cases involve what's called an AI rapper, an API rapper, 296 00:15:10,270 --> 00:15:14,470 S6: but they're using some of these platforms that artificially create a, 297 00:15:14,750 --> 00:15:19,550 S6: an avatar, a persona, a character for, uh, someone to 298 00:15:19,550 --> 00:15:23,510 S6: talk to. Um, and, uh, that's where the danger has been. 299 00:15:23,510 --> 00:15:25,950 S6: So it can look like they're just texting a friend. Uh, 300 00:15:25,950 --> 00:15:28,510 S6: if you're looking over their shoulder. Um, but it's not. 301 00:15:28,510 --> 00:15:34,190 S6: They're actually texting with a AI generated character, um, which 302 00:15:34,190 --> 00:15:37,550 S6: is not there for their for their, uh, flourishing, uh, 303 00:15:37,550 --> 00:15:41,270 S6: in Christ, for sure. So I think keep asking, keep pressing. 304 00:15:41,270 --> 00:15:43,880 S6: What are you doing? Let me see. Let me engage 305 00:15:44,040 --> 00:15:48,240 S6: some of those questions because it's not it's not not healthy. 306 00:15:48,280 --> 00:15:48,840 S6: Not good. 307 00:15:50,160 --> 00:15:53,600 S3: Drew, these are dicey days with AI. Yeah, to be sure. 308 00:15:53,600 --> 00:15:56,480 S3: And we're grateful to have you in here. We really are. 309 00:15:56,480 --> 00:15:57,920 S3: And we're going to we're going to get you in 310 00:15:57,920 --> 00:16:01,360 S3: here even more regularly because you're giving updates like this 311 00:16:01,360 --> 00:16:04,600 S3: are really important, and we're appreciative of you. You know, 312 00:16:04,640 --> 00:16:08,040 S3: you're a brainiac, you got God giving you some gray matter. 313 00:16:08,040 --> 00:16:10,760 S3: And that's great. I love brainiacs. We got them on 314 00:16:10,760 --> 00:16:15,600 S3: all week here. But if the birth of Christ had 315 00:16:15,600 --> 00:16:20,800 S3: never happened, where and how would you be today? And 316 00:16:20,800 --> 00:16:24,160 S3: I want you to be vulnerable. I mean, given your trajectory, 317 00:16:24,160 --> 00:16:26,920 S3: without the regenerating power of the Holy Spirit that brought 318 00:16:26,920 --> 00:16:30,680 S3: you into relationship with Jesus Christ, where would Drew Dickens 319 00:16:30,720 --> 00:16:32,000 S3: be today? Where do you think? 320 00:16:32,040 --> 00:16:34,600 S6: Sure, I can be vulnerable because no one's listening right now, right? So. 321 00:16:34,640 --> 00:16:38,119 S3: Right. Right. Couple of. Just a couple of. Yeah. 322 00:16:38,160 --> 00:16:41,850 S6: Right. Um, boy, what a great question. What a great 323 00:16:41,850 --> 00:16:43,730 S6: time of year to ask. Every day we should be 324 00:16:43,730 --> 00:16:47,130 S6: asking that question. You know what my answer is? How 325 00:16:47,170 --> 00:16:50,290 S6: I understand hope. 326 00:16:50,770 --> 00:16:51,330 S3: Wow. 327 00:16:52,810 --> 00:16:56,690 S6: If it hadn't have occurred, it it wouldn't allow me 328 00:16:56,690 --> 00:17:05,770 S6: any context for suffering, for mercy, for love. Timely question. 329 00:17:05,770 --> 00:17:07,770 S6: I was I was actually on a listening to a 330 00:17:07,770 --> 00:17:10,010 S6: podcast the other day with two. One was an Orthodox 331 00:17:10,010 --> 00:17:12,730 S6: Jew and the other was an atheist. And they and 332 00:17:12,730 --> 00:17:15,090 S6: the atheist was claiming, you know, you've got no moral 333 00:17:15,090 --> 00:17:18,330 S6: standing in Scripture. They're they're good moral people with or 334 00:17:18,330 --> 00:17:21,930 S6: without religion. Right? And the Jew, actually, the Orthodox Jew 335 00:17:21,970 --> 00:17:26,090 S6: actually said something. Really, I thought profound is you have been, 336 00:17:26,130 --> 00:17:29,010 S6: whether you realize it or not, you have been influenced 337 00:17:29,570 --> 00:17:35,570 S6: by 2000, 4000, 6000 years of biblical moral teaching has 338 00:17:35,570 --> 00:17:41,449 S6: influenced you. And, um, and that really resonated with me. Um, boy, 339 00:17:41,770 --> 00:17:46,530 S6: big seminary were the proto proto, right? The first, the 340 00:17:46,570 --> 00:17:50,449 S6: theological term for the first gospel is that of Genesis three, 341 00:17:50,490 --> 00:17:53,010 S6: when the seed of the woman will crush the serpent's head. 342 00:17:53,050 --> 00:17:57,010 S6: You know, that's that prophetic utterance in Genesis three is, 343 00:17:57,330 --> 00:17:59,649 S6: you know, that moral teaching, that hope has been with 344 00:17:59,650 --> 00:18:01,810 S6: us from the beginning. It's not just since the birth 345 00:18:01,810 --> 00:18:06,889 S6: of Christ. And so, uh, that that teaching that, uh, 346 00:18:06,970 --> 00:18:16,250 S6: that we have, uh, gives me context for suffering, um, mercy, love, forgiveness, uh, 347 00:18:16,250 --> 00:18:18,330 S6: so that that's if it hadn't have happened, I wouldn't 348 00:18:18,330 --> 00:18:19,450 S6: have had that context. 349 00:18:19,490 --> 00:18:21,850 S3: And without that context, who knows where we go to 350 00:18:21,850 --> 00:18:22,490 S3: find it? 351 00:18:22,609 --> 00:18:24,170 S6: Oh my gosh. Yeah. 352 00:18:25,010 --> 00:18:25,250 S3: Drew. 353 00:18:25,770 --> 00:18:29,290 S6: I can help you find it. Yeah. Which is which 354 00:18:29,290 --> 00:18:30,169 S6: we need to be careful. 355 00:18:30,210 --> 00:18:30,530 S3: Of with. 356 00:18:31,050 --> 00:18:32,530 S6: A. I will disciple us with that. 357 00:18:32,570 --> 00:18:36,889 S3: Yeah. This this companion thing that's coming toward kids. And 358 00:18:36,890 --> 00:18:41,060 S3: not just kids, but adults. It's straight up scary. I mean, 359 00:18:41,100 --> 00:18:45,340 S3: that's just that's that's not good. Okay, uh, we want 360 00:18:45,380 --> 00:18:47,219 S3: to put you onto a link that is going to 361 00:18:47,220 --> 00:18:50,700 S3: be a one stop shop for all great things AI 362 00:18:50,820 --> 00:18:56,580 S3: with a biblical worldview. Don't let AI train you about AI. 363 00:18:57,460 --> 00:19:01,180 S3: That would be the worst. Get a person who's smart, 364 00:19:01,180 --> 00:19:03,100 S3: and we've got him for you. Ali, take it away. 365 00:19:03,260 --> 00:19:07,500 S5: Doctor Drew Dickens, our guest. There's the AI and spirituality podcast. Uh, 366 00:19:07,500 --> 00:19:17,300 S5: just text drew to (800) 555-7898. Just text drew to (800) 555-7898. 367 00:19:17,300 --> 00:19:21,540 S5: You can check out the latest. Also his uh encountering peace. 368 00:19:21,540 --> 00:19:24,540 S5: He does other things as well. Just text drew to 369 00:19:24,580 --> 00:19:27,740 S5: 800 555 7898. 370 00:19:28,619 --> 00:19:32,820 S2: Standing on the rock each and every day. You're listening 371 00:19:32,859 --> 00:19:34,100 S2: to Carl and crew. 372 00:19:35,020 --> 00:19:39,070 S3: I don't have the right words to describe what I 373 00:19:39,070 --> 00:19:42,469 S3: experienced at 180 Chicago Church on both campuses in the 374 00:19:42,470 --> 00:19:46,350 S3: last month. I guess I'll just leave it with God's 375 00:19:46,390 --> 00:19:52,909 S3: on the move and he's into renewal, restoration, healing, and abundance. 376 00:19:53,109 --> 00:19:55,030 S3: Young Thunder, you were there. What do you say? 377 00:19:55,070 --> 00:19:57,590 S4: I was there. I think that this is such an 378 00:19:57,590 --> 00:20:02,150 S4: important conversation that that we're about to have, because there 379 00:20:02,150 --> 00:20:05,189 S4: are so many of us that that live our daily 380 00:20:05,190 --> 00:20:08,510 S4: lives with a lot of hurt, a lot of pain, 381 00:20:08,670 --> 00:20:10,910 S4: a lot of things that we've never talked about, never shared, 382 00:20:10,910 --> 00:20:14,750 S4: never processed with other people or with God. And we 383 00:20:14,790 --> 00:20:17,670 S4: wear these masks to try to cover it up and 384 00:20:17,670 --> 00:20:22,030 S4: just get along. But those things kill us over time, 385 00:20:22,030 --> 00:20:24,590 S4: and we have to take steps to be free. 386 00:20:24,790 --> 00:20:28,149 S3: Yeah, yeah. And we need to because who is it, 387 00:20:28,150 --> 00:20:30,830 S3: Greg Dempster. How did that quote go? We got to 388 00:20:30,830 --> 00:20:32,070 S3: get that one right now. 389 00:20:32,109 --> 00:20:34,310 S7: It was John Tyson out of New York City. He 390 00:20:34,310 --> 00:20:37,760 S7: said that God cannot heal the person you pretend to be. 391 00:20:38,000 --> 00:20:41,240 S3: Boy, we got to get honest. Love that one that's 392 00:20:41,240 --> 00:20:44,119 S3: so powerful. Greg Dempster, our guest right now. Uh, a 393 00:20:44,240 --> 00:20:47,880 S3: friend for nearly three decades, an incredible man of God, 394 00:20:47,920 --> 00:20:52,240 S3: being used powerfully as he helps a renewal movement in 395 00:20:52,240 --> 00:20:56,520 S3: the hearts, primarily, first and foremost, in leadership of large 396 00:20:56,520 --> 00:21:02,240 S3: movements of God. So here's the encouraging word. If anyone 397 00:21:02,240 --> 00:21:05,399 S3: who is born again can become derailed or never get 398 00:21:05,440 --> 00:21:09,679 S3: on track with their true identity, but God, by his grace, 399 00:21:09,680 --> 00:21:12,160 S3: does it. Isn't that true for each of us? And Greg? 400 00:21:12,160 --> 00:21:13,800 S3: That's the hope today, isn't it? 401 00:21:14,359 --> 00:21:19,520 S7: Well, the hope is squarely in Jesus that he is 402 00:21:19,520 --> 00:21:23,400 S7: able to set us free from all the stuff that 403 00:21:23,400 --> 00:21:26,560 S7: holds us down, that that he's moving us from an 404 00:21:26,560 --> 00:21:31,920 S7: orientation towards self effort and independence and moving us towards 405 00:21:31,920 --> 00:21:37,560 S7: total life and dependence on him, that that he's willing 406 00:21:37,600 --> 00:21:39,920 S7: to do the work. He's willing, if we would turn 407 00:21:39,920 --> 00:21:44,800 S7: to him to break every bondage to to set captives free, 408 00:21:44,920 --> 00:21:48,159 S7: to release us from the things that hold us in, 409 00:21:48,400 --> 00:21:51,200 S7: in the shadows. And all we need to do is 410 00:21:51,200 --> 00:21:54,399 S7: learn what that process is, what it is that the 411 00:21:54,400 --> 00:21:56,760 S7: Bible teaches us we need to do in order to 412 00:21:56,800 --> 00:21:58,520 S7: experience that transformation. 413 00:21:58,560 --> 00:22:01,080 S3: Yeah, and that's the point, Greg. I think a lot 414 00:22:01,080 --> 00:22:04,399 S3: of us have found certain things elusive, and we've drifted 415 00:22:04,400 --> 00:22:08,960 S3: back into the Galatian lie, which Paul said, why, when 416 00:22:08,960 --> 00:22:11,080 S3: you began in the spirit, why are you trying to 417 00:22:11,080 --> 00:22:14,920 S3: be perfected in the flesh? And what he called it 418 00:22:14,920 --> 00:22:22,479 S3: was another gospel. What is the remedy for this self-help bootstrap? 419 00:22:22,520 --> 00:22:25,959 S3: Pull it up. I've got to change my life. Gospel. What, 420 00:22:25,960 --> 00:22:28,720 S3: in essence, is the remedy for this, Greg? 421 00:22:29,040 --> 00:22:31,320 S7: Well, I think it's really simple. Prior to Christ, all 422 00:22:31,320 --> 00:22:35,770 S7: we had is ourselves. We had our self-effort, our independence, 423 00:22:35,770 --> 00:22:39,290 S7: our hard work, and then once we come to Christ. 424 00:22:39,330 --> 00:22:44,449 S7: Transformation takes place. Ezekiel 3626 teaches us that we're the 425 00:22:44,450 --> 00:22:47,129 S7: old heart is removed, a heart that can't be moved 426 00:22:47,130 --> 00:22:49,970 S7: by God. A new heart is given. We're given the 427 00:22:49,970 --> 00:22:55,010 S7: Holy Spirit and we're purified. And really, the simple and 428 00:22:55,010 --> 00:23:00,490 S7: yet so easily misunderstood step forward is surrender, not self-effort. 429 00:23:00,490 --> 00:23:03,130 S7: We have to come to God and say, you must 430 00:23:03,130 --> 00:23:06,450 S7: apply grace, which is God, doing something in us that 431 00:23:06,450 --> 00:23:10,330 S7: we can't do for ourselves. You must apply grace. You 432 00:23:10,330 --> 00:23:14,050 S7: must do it. My job is to surrender to you, 433 00:23:14,050 --> 00:23:16,609 S7: to learn how to surrender. And there's a lot of 434 00:23:16,609 --> 00:23:20,090 S7: good reasons why some of us don't want to surrender, 435 00:23:20,490 --> 00:23:24,890 S7: but God wants to prove himself as the safest, the 436 00:23:24,890 --> 00:23:29,370 S7: surest route forward in regards to a full life in him. 437 00:23:29,890 --> 00:23:34,940 S3: I hear someone right now almost just speaking to you 438 00:23:34,980 --> 00:23:37,060 S3: right in their car or in their home or on 439 00:23:37,100 --> 00:23:42,100 S3: their walking path. And they're saying, I, Greg, I have surrendered. 440 00:23:42,260 --> 00:23:44,580 S3: And I was working with a guy here last week 441 00:23:44,580 --> 00:23:47,580 S3: who there's a level of brokenness in him, but I 442 00:23:47,580 --> 00:23:50,740 S3: just urged him. I said, have you really given this 443 00:23:50,740 --> 00:23:52,820 S3: to God? And as we begin to unpack that a 444 00:23:52,820 --> 00:23:55,060 S3: little bit, he said, you know what? I don't know 445 00:23:55,060 --> 00:24:00,300 S3: that I ever have. What's the difference between regret, even 446 00:24:00,300 --> 00:24:04,060 S3: tears of pain, and even crying out to God versus surrender? 447 00:24:04,060 --> 00:24:05,340 S3: What's it look like, Greg? 448 00:24:05,980 --> 00:24:10,020 S7: There's a strategic path towards renewal that's laid out in 449 00:24:10,020 --> 00:24:13,780 S7: the New Testament by the Apostle Paul, by other New 450 00:24:13,780 --> 00:24:18,820 S7: Testament writers, but specifically in Romans 12 two, where it 451 00:24:18,820 --> 00:24:25,619 S7: says that metamorphosis or transformation happens through renewal of the mind. 452 00:24:25,619 --> 00:24:28,260 S7: And the Greek word there is noose, and it represents 453 00:24:28,260 --> 00:24:31,909 S7: how we perceive and how we interpret the question that 454 00:24:31,910 --> 00:24:33,750 S7: we've got to ask for the people who are walking 455 00:24:33,750 --> 00:24:38,110 S7: around saying, hey, I've tried everything. Uh, please help me. Really, 456 00:24:38,109 --> 00:24:41,830 S7: the route to renewal is understanding what has formed your 457 00:24:41,830 --> 00:24:47,830 S7: mind and then begin to bring those misconceptions, those distortions, 458 00:24:47,830 --> 00:24:52,510 S7: those false governing ideas as you uncover them into the 459 00:24:52,510 --> 00:24:56,230 S7: presence of the true Jesus. And what you'll discover is 460 00:24:56,230 --> 00:25:00,430 S7: the counselor who's willing to lead us into truth about 461 00:25:00,430 --> 00:25:03,550 S7: all things. That's where change needs to begin. 462 00:25:04,109 --> 00:25:09,950 S3: How many Christ followers in the West are trying to 463 00:25:10,270 --> 00:25:15,790 S3: get untangled from some sin, some habit, some behavior? Something learned, 464 00:25:15,790 --> 00:25:21,750 S3: maybe from family of origin who have distortions and don't 465 00:25:21,750 --> 00:25:24,030 S3: know it. And I'm what I'm thinking of. Here is 466 00:25:24,030 --> 00:25:25,950 S3: the last two verses where I've been camped for about 467 00:25:25,950 --> 00:25:30,190 S3: three years of Psalm 139. David cries out, God, search me, 468 00:25:30,190 --> 00:25:32,350 S3: know me, try me. See if there be any hurtful 469 00:25:32,350 --> 00:25:34,950 S3: way in me. And lead me in the way everlasting. I. 470 00:25:34,990 --> 00:25:38,950 S3: We don't often see ourselves rightly. Isn't that where we 471 00:25:38,950 --> 00:25:40,750 S3: need the help of God? Greg. 472 00:25:41,510 --> 00:25:46,270 S7: I think that we naturally, if left alone, either fall 473 00:25:46,270 --> 00:25:49,310 S7: into a life of medicating where we're just trying to 474 00:25:49,350 --> 00:25:51,550 S7: keep our eyes off of everything that's broken that we 475 00:25:51,550 --> 00:25:55,830 S7: don't want to see, or performance where we're all we're 476 00:25:55,830 --> 00:25:59,910 S7: aiming most of our lives on how we perform, the 477 00:25:59,910 --> 00:26:03,750 S7: approval that we can gain. And so it's very difficult 478 00:26:03,750 --> 00:26:07,790 S7: for people who are performance oriented or approval oriented to 479 00:26:07,830 --> 00:26:10,470 S7: do the work necessary to look beneath the surface and 480 00:26:10,470 --> 00:26:17,590 S7: see brokenness, weakness, flaws, imperfections that that need God's intervention. 481 00:26:17,590 --> 00:26:20,430 S7: We tend to gloss over them, shove them down, or 482 00:26:20,430 --> 00:26:23,790 S7: try to outperform them, and as a result, we're stuck 483 00:26:23,950 --> 00:26:27,070 S7: in them. Unresolved issues don't resolve themselves. 484 00:26:27,310 --> 00:26:30,480 S3: Beautiful. Okay, coming up here. Have I got some hope 485 00:26:30,480 --> 00:26:33,240 S3: for you? A lot of you feel like you've walked 486 00:26:33,240 --> 00:26:36,439 S3: into the throne room of God. You've you've come to 487 00:26:36,480 --> 00:26:39,440 S3: a point of honesty, and you might have walked up 488 00:26:39,440 --> 00:26:42,880 S3: to a throne of tears. You've walked up to a throne, 489 00:26:42,920 --> 00:26:46,680 S3: a throne of throwing yourself in, abandoned to the Lord. 490 00:26:46,680 --> 00:26:51,480 S3: But what if there is another throne titled I will 491 00:26:51,480 --> 00:26:54,640 S3: do it for you more with Greg Dempster straight ahead. 492 00:26:54,800 --> 00:26:58,560 S3: So we're talking renewal. We know that it's God's work. 493 00:26:58,880 --> 00:27:01,840 S3: The apostle Paul said, what in the world are you doing? 494 00:27:01,840 --> 00:27:04,200 S3: You began in the spirit. Why are you working out 495 00:27:04,200 --> 00:27:06,760 S3: in the flesh? And if we just look at the 496 00:27:06,760 --> 00:27:11,600 S3: anatomy of salvation and then sanctification? Greg, I think anyone 497 00:27:11,600 --> 00:27:16,400 S3: who's been born again, truly born again, knows that's all. God, 498 00:27:16,440 --> 00:27:19,879 S3: I didn't do anything. That was him. And then we 499 00:27:19,920 --> 00:27:23,760 S3: get up on our feet and think, by golly, by gum, 500 00:27:23,800 --> 00:27:26,399 S3: little old dingo there. I got to go make this 501 00:27:26,400 --> 00:27:31,370 S3: happen for God. the gospel is God's got to do it. 502 00:27:31,369 --> 00:27:33,690 S3: But I want you to take us to that throne 503 00:27:33,690 --> 00:27:36,570 S3: room of I love how you call it this. I 504 00:27:36,609 --> 00:27:39,170 S3: will do it for you. Explain that, Greg. 505 00:27:39,850 --> 00:27:41,490 S7: A lot of the leaders, and it's just such a 506 00:27:41,490 --> 00:27:45,449 S7: privilege to be able to serve leaders, Christian leaders, a 507 00:27:45,450 --> 00:27:48,290 S7: lot of them come in just stuck like we've all 508 00:27:48,330 --> 00:27:53,570 S7: been stuck in life, and many of them feel like 509 00:27:53,609 --> 00:27:55,890 S7: there's a chasm between what they believe to be true 510 00:27:55,890 --> 00:28:00,010 S7: about God and what they're experiencing daily. That they've settled 511 00:28:00,010 --> 00:28:04,250 S7: into a routine where help or care is something that 512 00:28:04,250 --> 00:28:07,450 S7: they provide for themselves. It's the safest route for many 513 00:28:07,450 --> 00:28:11,810 S7: of them, when in actuality, Psalm 5522 and first Peter 514 00:28:11,810 --> 00:28:17,370 S7: five seven teach us, exhort us to cast care so 515 00:28:17,369 --> 00:28:21,250 S7: that we can receive care, that really casting our cares 516 00:28:21,250 --> 00:28:24,409 S7: on the Lord opens the door for us to be 517 00:28:24,530 --> 00:28:29,740 S7: ready and Open to receive the care that God longs 518 00:28:29,740 --> 00:28:31,899 S7: to bring us. And really, the question is, could it 519 00:28:31,900 --> 00:28:35,100 S7: be that the care that we've all longed for from 520 00:28:35,100 --> 00:28:38,180 S7: God is right in front of us, but our own 521 00:28:38,540 --> 00:28:42,380 S7: self-effort and in our own management, of our of our 522 00:28:42,380 --> 00:28:46,660 S7: lives has kept that at bay. And God wants us 523 00:28:46,660 --> 00:28:49,780 S7: to know, know all the care that you've ever needed 524 00:28:49,780 --> 00:28:54,940 S7: in life, all of the investment, all of the nurture, 525 00:28:54,940 --> 00:28:58,700 S7: or all of the love that you've desired for me, 526 00:28:58,700 --> 00:29:01,180 S7: is there? I want you to take a step towards 527 00:29:01,180 --> 00:29:05,300 S7: me today and learn to cast care so that you 528 00:29:05,300 --> 00:29:07,540 S7: can receive care. Well, where's the place that we do that? 529 00:29:07,540 --> 00:29:11,020 S7: That's the throne of grace in Hebrews four. And grace 530 00:29:11,020 --> 00:29:14,580 S7: if we're to define grace. Grace is very simply God 531 00:29:14,580 --> 00:29:18,260 S7: doing something for us. Amen. And so what's this place 532 00:29:18,260 --> 00:29:21,780 S7: that God invites us to approach? It's the throne of. 533 00:29:21,780 --> 00:29:25,500 S7: I will do it for you. It's not the place 534 00:29:25,500 --> 00:29:28,380 S7: where we power up to try to be the best 535 00:29:28,380 --> 00:29:32,140 S7: version of ourselves. It's the place where we can power 536 00:29:32,140 --> 00:29:35,780 S7: down and allow God to do in us the very 537 00:29:35,780 --> 00:29:37,620 S7: things that we can't do for ourselves. 538 00:29:38,220 --> 00:29:41,340 S3: What do we do? Some people say, well, what do 539 00:29:41,340 --> 00:29:45,980 S3: I do? What? What's my responsibility here? And I love 540 00:29:45,980 --> 00:29:49,220 S3: what Dallas Willard said. Grace is not opposed to effort. 541 00:29:49,220 --> 00:29:52,180 S3: It's opposed to earning. I love that quote by him, 542 00:29:52,180 --> 00:29:52,620 S3: by the way. 543 00:29:53,580 --> 00:29:56,260 S7: I think that first and foremost, we've got to go 544 00:29:56,260 --> 00:30:00,260 S7: back to to where we began in this conversation. If 545 00:30:00,260 --> 00:30:05,820 S7: transformation happens in noose, in our mind, in particular in 546 00:30:05,820 --> 00:30:10,020 S7: how we perceive and interpret life, we must do the 547 00:30:10,060 --> 00:30:15,500 S7: work with God Himself to understand, to grow an awareness 548 00:30:15,500 --> 00:30:21,420 S7: and understand what faulty governing ideas are driving my life. 549 00:30:21,420 --> 00:30:26,990 S7: What distortions have I believed sometimes for for good reason. 550 00:30:26,990 --> 00:30:30,710 S7: I mean, they come out of emotionally intense experiences that 551 00:30:30,710 --> 00:30:33,670 S7: we have, and all of a sudden we're misunderstanding or 552 00:30:33,670 --> 00:30:38,310 S7: misinterpreting what happened will form faulty perspective that we don't 553 00:30:38,310 --> 00:30:39,710 S7: see the world as it is. We see the world 554 00:30:39,710 --> 00:30:42,510 S7: as we are. We're looking through all those past experiences 555 00:30:42,510 --> 00:30:45,510 S7: and using them as a grid of interpretation for the 556 00:30:45,510 --> 00:30:50,150 S7: here and now. And so first we have to gain 557 00:30:50,150 --> 00:30:54,790 S7: proper perspective related to what drives our lives. And then 558 00:30:54,790 --> 00:30:58,670 S7: number two, we need a simple process to, in the moment, 559 00:30:58,670 --> 00:31:03,430 S7: bring those distortions into the presence. Uh, submit them to 560 00:31:03,470 --> 00:31:07,870 S7: the counsel of the Holy Spirit and receive truth where 561 00:31:07,870 --> 00:31:12,550 S7: there's been lies, freedom where there's been bondage and and 562 00:31:12,590 --> 00:31:16,150 S7: a way to to to not remain stuck. That that's 563 00:31:16,150 --> 00:31:19,350 S7: really the two steps awareness mixed with the counseling work 564 00:31:19,350 --> 00:31:22,710 S7: of the Holy Spirit, uh, leading to freedom and abiding 565 00:31:22,840 --> 00:31:23,880 S7: life in Jesus. 566 00:31:24,120 --> 00:31:27,160 S3: You know, interesting. This is maybe just hitting me like 567 00:31:27,200 --> 00:31:29,640 S3: a lightning bolt like it hasn't before. And we've talked 568 00:31:29,640 --> 00:31:34,120 S3: about this for at least a few years, and we've 569 00:31:34,120 --> 00:31:37,920 S3: co-presented together on a couple church campuses here in Chicago, 570 00:31:39,160 --> 00:31:43,840 S3: in essence, mind renewal, because how many times have brain 571 00:31:43,840 --> 00:31:48,680 S3: scientists said this? Our life is a an outpouring and 572 00:31:48,680 --> 00:31:52,480 S3: an overflow of what we're thinking. Even brain scientists know that. 573 00:31:52,760 --> 00:31:57,880 S3: So what you're proposing is that with mind renewal laying 574 00:31:57,880 --> 00:32:01,880 S3: it down as an act of worship, the actions will 575 00:32:01,880 --> 00:32:04,560 S3: flow out of that and will keep in step with 576 00:32:04,560 --> 00:32:07,480 S3: the spirit. Simply put, is that the essence of it? 577 00:32:07,520 --> 00:32:11,040 S7: We're leaning in that right direction that it's it's laying down, 578 00:32:11,040 --> 00:32:16,560 S7: but it's also experiencing metamorphosis or transformation that God doesn't 579 00:32:16,560 --> 00:32:20,120 S7: leave us in this place of constantly needing to lay down, 580 00:32:20,120 --> 00:32:22,450 S7: lay down, lay down. What he wants us to do 581 00:32:22,450 --> 00:32:25,450 S7: is lay it down like you're saying, and then invite 582 00:32:25,450 --> 00:32:28,330 S7: him to bring the change to us so that we 583 00:32:28,330 --> 00:32:31,210 S7: no longer are stuck in this doom loop. But walking 584 00:32:31,210 --> 00:32:32,450 S7: in freedom of life. 585 00:32:32,490 --> 00:32:36,050 S3: Yeah, and changing what we think about who we are, 586 00:32:36,450 --> 00:32:40,210 S3: where we gain approval, who likes us, who doesn't. What 587 00:32:40,210 --> 00:32:42,410 S3: to do with that betrayal. I mean, the list goes 588 00:32:42,410 --> 00:32:45,090 S3: on and on. Okay. Boom, crew. Here's what you need 589 00:32:45,090 --> 00:32:49,610 S3: to know. We've got something that is such a powerful 590 00:32:49,610 --> 00:32:53,610 S3: exercise for Christmas break. You might say, Carl, there's no 591 00:32:53,610 --> 00:32:57,130 S3: break at find a break. And here's what I'm asking 592 00:32:57,130 --> 00:32:59,489 S3: you to do. We're going to send you in a 593 00:32:59,490 --> 00:33:03,209 S3: link to parts of a journey that is going to 594 00:33:03,250 --> 00:33:06,330 S3: take you on a journey of discovery, not just of 595 00:33:06,330 --> 00:33:09,410 S3: broken pieces in you, but the God who puts them 596 00:33:09,410 --> 00:33:14,570 S3: together and makes you new. Greg, give a quick flyby 597 00:33:14,570 --> 00:33:16,930 S3: what they can expect when they get these links sent 598 00:33:16,930 --> 00:33:18,850 S3: to them. And what do you want everyone to do 599 00:33:18,850 --> 00:33:21,570 S3: with these? Because man, we got freedom coming here and 600 00:33:21,570 --> 00:33:24,209 S3: we aren't even at 2026 yet. My man. 601 00:33:24,450 --> 00:33:27,530 S7: Come on, man, I'm so excited about this that that 602 00:33:27,530 --> 00:33:30,410 S7: you're going to get a link and it'll lead you 603 00:33:30,450 --> 00:33:33,969 S7: straight to the Christ Life website. All you need to 604 00:33:33,970 --> 00:33:37,010 S7: do is put your email in there. We won't send 605 00:33:37,010 --> 00:33:39,690 S7: you spam, I promise. We just want to get resources 606 00:33:39,690 --> 00:33:41,810 S7: free of charge into your hands and to help you 607 00:33:42,010 --> 00:33:45,410 S7: experience renewal. You'll get into our resource page, and there'll 608 00:33:45,450 --> 00:33:48,290 S7: be a whole bunch of things that you could use 609 00:33:48,290 --> 00:33:51,970 S7: there on your renewal journey. The first two items are 610 00:33:52,010 --> 00:33:57,209 S7: workbook one and workbook two. Obviously, start with workbook one 611 00:33:57,210 --> 00:34:01,290 S7: and workbook one is all about doing the work necessary, 612 00:34:01,290 --> 00:34:07,170 S7: especially in the era of birth to 13 to uncover 613 00:34:07,210 --> 00:34:10,390 S7: where you're distorted. In fact, in about 90 minutes, two 614 00:34:10,390 --> 00:34:13,290 S7: hours worth of work, what you'll discover as you're leaving 615 00:34:13,290 --> 00:34:17,529 S7: that first workbook is core distortions that are currently negatively 616 00:34:17,530 --> 00:34:21,380 S7: impacting your life. then turned to workbook two, and we 617 00:34:21,380 --> 00:34:23,739 S7: have some simple steps where you can take that work 618 00:34:23,739 --> 00:34:26,620 S7: that you've done, apply it, do what we would call 619 00:34:26,660 --> 00:34:30,340 S7: framework for healing build outs, which are super easy to understand. 620 00:34:30,620 --> 00:34:34,100 S7: And once you get those done, you'll be more aware 621 00:34:34,100 --> 00:34:37,860 S7: of the events that have caused distortion in your life, 622 00:34:37,860 --> 00:34:41,459 S7: those distortions that have formed disruptive emotion leading to dysfunctional 623 00:34:41,460 --> 00:34:44,260 S7: lifestyle choices. And then we have a real simple prayer 624 00:34:44,260 --> 00:34:49,060 S7: rhythm there that literally hundreds of Christians, Christian leaders across 625 00:34:49,060 --> 00:34:53,620 S7: America have applied to their lives, and they're experiencing this 626 00:34:53,620 --> 00:34:56,140 S7: ever growing sense of freedom and transformation. 627 00:34:56,860 --> 00:34:59,219 S3: So good. Okay, boom, crew, here's what I need you 628 00:34:59,219 --> 00:35:02,180 S3: to do. What a journey. What a gift. And I'm 629 00:35:02,180 --> 00:35:04,899 S3: so grateful that Greg's offering this up. There is no 630 00:35:04,900 --> 00:35:09,020 S3: charge attached to this. Just text the word life. One 631 00:35:09,020 --> 00:35:15,340 S3: word life to 800 555 7898. Get this and don't 632 00:35:15,340 --> 00:35:17,700 S3: let it zip out of your brain. I know you're 633 00:35:17,700 --> 00:35:20,390 S3: off to something right now, but get it, retain it, 634 00:35:20,390 --> 00:35:25,069 S3: open it, download it and grab it. Text life to 635 00:35:25,110 --> 00:35:34,710 S3: 800 555 7898 800 555 7898. Okay, Greg, one last question. 636 00:35:34,750 --> 00:35:38,029 S3: I'm asking every guest this week if if the birth 637 00:35:38,030 --> 00:35:42,190 S3: of Christ had never happened, what would your life be like? 638 00:35:42,190 --> 00:35:44,390 S3: How would it be different? And what would be most 639 00:35:44,390 --> 00:35:46,710 S3: broken today in two sentences. 640 00:35:47,110 --> 00:35:50,629 S7: You've known me for 30 years. My life would be 641 00:35:50,630 --> 00:35:54,150 S7: a train wreck. Without the incarnation, I'd be in jail 642 00:35:54,430 --> 00:35:58,270 S7: or dead. I've got. I would have no hope. I 643 00:35:58,270 --> 00:36:01,870 S7: would just be totally lost and in performance mode. 644 00:36:02,310 --> 00:36:05,190 S3: Oh, guys, that's how God can make us. New text 645 00:36:05,230 --> 00:36:13,550 S3: life to 800 555 7898. Life 800 555 7898. 646 00:36:13,590 --> 00:36:16,190 S1: You are listening to the Carl and Crew show cast. 647 00:36:16,190 --> 00:36:19,680 S1: I'm Diana super Di and so glad you've tuned in. 648 00:36:19,719 --> 00:36:22,399 S1: Just a bit of an intermission. You know you can 649 00:36:22,400 --> 00:36:26,120 S1: hear us live weekday mornings from 5 to 9 central. 650 00:36:26,120 --> 00:36:29,680 S1: That's right, Carl and crew. Weekday mornings 5 to 9 651 00:36:29,680 --> 00:36:32,560 S1: central with all the great ways to hear us. Just 652 00:36:32,560 --> 00:36:35,920 S1: check it out at Carl and crew. Now back to 653 00:36:35,960 --> 00:36:37,640 S1: the Carl and crew showcased. 654 00:36:38,000 --> 00:36:40,839 S2: Tune in whenever you like. Check out the Carl and 655 00:36:40,840 --> 00:36:43,440 S2: Crew podcast wherever you like to stream. 656 00:36:45,400 --> 00:36:48,600 S3: We've got Michael Redlick stepping in here. Uh, let's get 657 00:36:48,600 --> 00:36:51,719 S3: the get the facts on Australia as we know them, 658 00:36:51,719 --> 00:36:52,360 S3: young thunder. 659 00:36:52,400 --> 00:36:58,080 S4: Yeah. So this happened at around 6 p.m. Sunday night 660 00:36:58,080 --> 00:37:01,239 S4: in Australian time. Uh, this was at Bondi Beach, which 661 00:37:01,239 --> 00:37:04,879 S4: is a really popular tourist destination in the Sydney area. Uh, 662 00:37:04,880 --> 00:37:08,839 S4: this group, this Jewish group, uh, named Shabbat, they put 663 00:37:08,840 --> 00:37:12,800 S4: this online ad for a, you know, a Hanukkah celebration, first. 664 00:37:12,800 --> 00:37:13,080 S3: Day of. 665 00:37:13,080 --> 00:37:16,040 S4: Hanukkah, first day of Hanukkah celebration. And and they were 666 00:37:16,040 --> 00:37:18,040 S4: going to do, you know, kind of an event for 667 00:37:18,040 --> 00:37:20,000 S4: some of the tourists that was that were there as 668 00:37:20,000 --> 00:37:21,720 S4: well to welcome them in. So it was a Jewish 669 00:37:21,719 --> 00:37:24,760 S4: and non-Jewish crowd, some Orthodox, some people who weren't Jewish 670 00:37:24,760 --> 00:37:27,040 S4: but were just there to to take part in what 671 00:37:27,040 --> 00:37:30,880 S4: was going on. Uh, the attackers were a father and son. 672 00:37:31,360 --> 00:37:34,680 S4: The father was 50. The son was 24. They were both, uh, 673 00:37:34,680 --> 00:37:38,960 S4: influenced greatly by, uh, by Islamist ideologies. 674 00:37:39,120 --> 00:37:40,799 S3: Uh, ISIS, I think specifically. 675 00:37:40,840 --> 00:37:45,480 S4: Yeah. And and so you mentioned this, uh, this bystander 676 00:37:45,480 --> 00:37:48,400 S4: came in and and stopped the son or the father 677 00:37:48,400 --> 00:37:52,239 S4: from from continuing his shooting. Um, and the the son 678 00:37:52,239 --> 00:37:54,520 S4: was at a different part on the beach also also 679 00:37:54,520 --> 00:37:59,160 S4: shooting 15 dead and 40 injured. Uh, the number could increase, though, 680 00:37:59,160 --> 00:37:59,840 S4: over time. 681 00:38:00,160 --> 00:38:02,640 S3: Yeah. I guess one of the dangers here, Michael, is 682 00:38:02,680 --> 00:38:07,200 S3: the world can get desensitized to these massacres and this anti-Semitism. 683 00:38:07,200 --> 00:38:09,360 S3: Michael Ray dealt with us right now. What? What's on 684 00:38:09,360 --> 00:38:10,320 S3: your heart here, Michael? 685 00:38:11,440 --> 00:38:16,050 S8: Oh, my heart is broken. Yeah, but I do want 686 00:38:16,050 --> 00:38:18,810 S8: to say something. This is what we have to recognize 687 00:38:18,810 --> 00:38:23,210 S8: as globalizing the intifada. Yeah. You remember, that was the 688 00:38:23,210 --> 00:38:26,649 S8: slogan on the campus. Uh, it was a slogan at 689 00:38:26,650 --> 00:38:29,529 S8: the rallies across the world, in Paris and London and 690 00:38:29,530 --> 00:38:33,610 S8: in Chicago, in New York, Los Angeles. Globalize the intifada. 691 00:38:33,650 --> 00:38:40,730 S8: That means attack Jews everywhere. And, uh, and people were saying, oh, no, 692 00:38:41,810 --> 00:38:46,089 S8: said it's just a political statement. No it's not. It's 693 00:38:46,170 --> 00:38:50,930 S8: a murderous statement. And and this is what, uh, this 694 00:38:50,930 --> 00:38:52,529 S8: is what it looks like. And I think we need 695 00:38:52,530 --> 00:38:56,930 S8: to know about that. Uh, and I think that it 696 00:38:56,930 --> 00:39:01,090 S8: might be that Prime Minister Netanyahu is over the top 697 00:39:01,250 --> 00:39:05,089 S8: by saying that this is fostered by the Australian government. 698 00:39:05,610 --> 00:39:08,049 S8: He's angry. I understand that, but here's what it is. 699 00:39:08,090 --> 00:39:14,420 S8: They are responsible for neglect. The Mossad warned The Australian 700 00:39:14,420 --> 00:39:19,020 S8: government that these kinds of attacks were possible right now, 701 00:39:19,780 --> 00:39:23,820 S8: and they ignored it. They didn't look into it. Uh, 702 00:39:24,020 --> 00:39:29,259 S8: and that's serious malfeasance, malpractice, Mal, whatever you want to 703 00:39:29,260 --> 00:39:31,820 S8: call it. They didn't do what they were supposed to do. 704 00:39:32,020 --> 00:39:35,460 S8: There have been over 1600 anti-Jewish incidents in the last 705 00:39:35,460 --> 00:39:40,020 S8: year in Australia, something a place where they never had any. Hardly. 706 00:39:40,500 --> 00:39:47,339 S8: And now 1600. They ignored the warnings. They they just 707 00:39:47,340 --> 00:39:49,820 S8: didn't think it was serious. There was an attack in 708 00:39:49,860 --> 00:39:53,980 S8: Melbourne just a few months ago. Yeah. And they they 709 00:39:54,020 --> 00:39:57,540 S8: didn't take care of it. And, uh, I think that 710 00:39:57,980 --> 00:40:00,500 S8: the leader of the Australian Jewish community was right when 711 00:40:00,500 --> 00:40:04,419 S8: they said anti-Jewish racism has left the fringes and now 712 00:40:04,420 --> 00:40:08,819 S8: has become normalized in Australia. Uh, that's the same thing 713 00:40:08,820 --> 00:40:11,540 S8: that I'm seeing happening right here in the United States. 714 00:40:11,989 --> 00:40:15,750 S8: and it's a matter of serious concern. 715 00:40:16,110 --> 00:40:19,350 S5: Doctor Michael Riedel, our guest right now, he's professor emeritus 716 00:40:19,350 --> 00:40:21,790 S5: of Jewish studies and Bible here at Moody Bible Institute, 717 00:40:21,790 --> 00:40:25,310 S5: also host of Open line Saturday mornings on Moody Radio. 718 00:40:25,630 --> 00:40:29,750 S5: Talk a little bit more about this anti-Jewish racism that's been, uh, 719 00:40:30,190 --> 00:40:34,029 S5: normalized in some cases, even encouraged in Australia, for sure. 720 00:40:34,030 --> 00:40:36,670 S5: But you said here as well. Talk a little bit 721 00:40:36,670 --> 00:40:37,830 S5: more about what you're seeing. 722 00:40:38,550 --> 00:40:41,390 S8: Well, I'll just give you the something that I have 723 00:40:41,390 --> 00:40:45,629 S8: seen recently. It started with the summit we did about 724 00:40:45,630 --> 00:40:47,670 S8: Israel in the last days, a prophecy conference. What does 725 00:40:47,670 --> 00:40:52,750 S8: the Bible say? And the Moody Radio, the Moody Publishers, 726 00:40:52,790 --> 00:40:56,989 S8: all the different Moody Bible Institute social media, Instagram and 727 00:40:56,989 --> 00:40:59,830 S8: Facebook and things like that, that had ads were just 728 00:40:59,830 --> 00:41:04,069 S8: filled with vile hatred of the Jewish people. They had 729 00:41:04,070 --> 00:41:04,830 S8: to monitor it. 730 00:41:04,870 --> 00:41:06,830 S3: 24 over seven Michael, is what I heard. 731 00:41:06,870 --> 00:41:10,629 S8: Yeah, yeah, I and I've been monitoring the ads for 732 00:41:10,630 --> 00:41:13,230 S8: this new book I did called How Should Christians Think 733 00:41:13,230 --> 00:41:17,390 S8: About Israel? And there are these ads, hundreds and hundreds 734 00:41:17,630 --> 00:41:22,669 S8: of vile hatred of the Jewish people. Uh, and the 735 00:41:22,670 --> 00:41:26,270 S8: sad part to me is these are predominantly people who 736 00:41:26,270 --> 00:41:33,710 S8: would profess to be conservatives politically and evangelicals in faith. 737 00:41:34,270 --> 00:41:38,350 S8: I'm just amazed at how how this is coming out. 738 00:41:38,350 --> 00:41:43,469 S8: I'm going to read one that was on there. Uh, 739 00:41:43,510 --> 00:41:47,589 S8: your book is a waste of time. 1948 was the 740 00:41:47,590 --> 00:41:51,870 S8: abomination of desolation when Israel was formed. Satan's children have 741 00:41:51,870 --> 00:41:56,710 S8: taken over that place. Those people spit in Jesus face. 742 00:41:56,830 --> 00:42:03,230 S8: And then a vulgarism about Israel. Wow. That is beyond 743 00:42:03,230 --> 00:42:05,549 S8: the pale. And then there's all these other ones just 744 00:42:05,550 --> 00:42:08,430 S8: like that. So I think what has happened is that 745 00:42:08,469 --> 00:42:12,120 S8: here's how I understand anti-Semitism. I there was a medical 746 00:42:12,120 --> 00:42:14,600 S8: doctor when I was a teenager whom I met, who 747 00:42:14,600 --> 00:42:18,680 S8: was a messianic Jewish author, who wrote for Moody Publishers. 748 00:42:18,680 --> 00:42:21,280 S8: And in one of his books he talked about Jew 749 00:42:21,320 --> 00:42:25,040 S8: hatred being endemic. And what he meant by endemic is 750 00:42:25,239 --> 00:42:29,720 S8: when there's a disease, a virus that's always present under 751 00:42:29,719 --> 00:42:34,080 S8: the surface and given the right conditions, it explodes and 752 00:42:34,080 --> 00:42:39,200 S8: becomes an epidemic or even a pandemic. And I don't 753 00:42:39,200 --> 00:42:43,399 S8: think that anti-Semitism went away after World War two. It 754 00:42:43,400 --> 00:42:47,560 S8: was just below the surface. It was quiet. It was there. 755 00:42:48,120 --> 00:42:51,560 S8: And for some reason, ten, seven the attack on Jews, 756 00:42:51,560 --> 00:42:52,759 S8: not the response of. 757 00:42:52,800 --> 00:42:53,880 S3: It, fomented it. 758 00:42:53,920 --> 00:42:54,840 S8: It just exploded. 759 00:42:54,840 --> 00:42:57,920 S3: It. Yeah. Okay. Coming up here, I'm going to ask 760 00:42:57,920 --> 00:43:01,839 S3: some tough questions that the dominant media is skirting around, 761 00:43:01,840 --> 00:43:03,960 S3: but they won't say the word. And I want to 762 00:43:03,960 --> 00:43:07,120 S3: get after it here. So more with Michael Ray Dominik 763 00:43:07,120 --> 00:43:10,410 S3: coming up in just a couple of minutes. Doctor Michael 764 00:43:10,410 --> 00:43:14,130 S3: Riddle is with us right now responding to the massacre 765 00:43:14,530 --> 00:43:19,090 S3: of the terrorist attack on those innocent lives in Australia. 766 00:43:19,130 --> 00:43:22,450 S3: Horrific for sure. Michael, um, I'm going to cut to 767 00:43:22,450 --> 00:43:25,529 S3: the chase here. So there's a lot of discussion today 768 00:43:25,530 --> 00:43:29,210 S3: in dominant media. They're they're beating around the bush. Everybody 769 00:43:29,210 --> 00:43:31,210 S3: knows what they're talking about. But let's get after this 770 00:43:31,210 --> 00:43:35,930 S3: here for a second because I've read the Quran a bit. Um, 771 00:43:35,930 --> 00:43:39,569 S3: and I saw a lot of misogyny early on in 772 00:43:39,570 --> 00:43:41,890 S3: the Quran. As I was reading it, I was blown away. 773 00:43:42,370 --> 00:43:46,130 S3: But there are some imams that have taken a pretty 774 00:43:46,170 --> 00:43:52,850 S3: radical intifada, um, annihilation of the Jews, Holy jihad, a 775 00:43:52,850 --> 00:43:57,250 S3: view of that. Um, I did witness even a TikTok 776 00:43:57,250 --> 00:44:00,530 S3: clip from a I don't know if he's an imam, 777 00:44:00,530 --> 00:44:02,489 S3: but he's a leader in Chicago who said, we are 778 00:44:02,489 --> 00:44:04,650 S3: not here to get along, we're here to take over. 779 00:44:04,930 --> 00:44:08,460 S3: And that isn't the exact words, but that was exactly 780 00:44:08,460 --> 00:44:11,540 S3: what he said. How do we go forward here as 781 00:44:11,540 --> 00:44:14,500 S3: a nation? I mean, we've got this all over. I mean, 782 00:44:14,540 --> 00:44:18,300 S3: Europe is just blowing up right now. What was amazing, 783 00:44:18,300 --> 00:44:20,660 S3: I don't know if you saw the protests in Amsterdam 784 00:44:20,700 --> 00:44:24,779 S3: hours after this massacre in Australia. They're hitting the streets 785 00:44:24,780 --> 00:44:27,940 S3: with anti-Semitic chants. Yep. 786 00:44:28,140 --> 00:44:28,339 S8: Yeah. 787 00:44:28,380 --> 00:44:29,580 S3: What do we do here, Michael? 788 00:44:30,140 --> 00:44:32,940 S8: Well, I think it's really important that we recognize that 789 00:44:32,940 --> 00:44:38,300 S8: there is a forms of Islam that are not violent. Correct. 790 00:44:38,340 --> 00:44:43,020 S8: And even look at what happened at, uh, at Bondi Beach. 791 00:44:43,340 --> 00:44:45,580 S8: Who was it that stopped one of the shooters? It 792 00:44:45,580 --> 00:44:48,540 S8: was a muslim man. Did you see that video? I hope? 793 00:44:48,580 --> 00:44:50,379 S3: Well, I saw the video. I didn't know he was 794 00:44:50,380 --> 00:44:53,220 S3: a muslim man. Okay, well, that is a big deal. 795 00:44:53,219 --> 00:44:55,219 S3: He didn't know how to hold a gun. Which shows 796 00:44:55,219 --> 00:44:57,780 S3: more courage, by the way. He'd never held a gun before. 797 00:44:58,260 --> 00:45:00,779 S8: Do you see how he tackled the man who was amazing? 798 00:45:01,140 --> 00:45:02,259 S3: Put a headlock on him. 799 00:45:02,739 --> 00:45:06,540 S8: And so I think it's. We dare not, uh, Say 800 00:45:06,540 --> 00:45:10,660 S8: that every Muslim is a villain in this story. I 801 00:45:10,660 --> 00:45:13,540 S8: think what has happened is there are people who read 802 00:45:13,540 --> 00:45:16,420 S8: the Quran in a way that there are radicals. 803 00:45:17,140 --> 00:45:21,900 S9: There are believers that will take verses out of context, 804 00:45:22,060 --> 00:45:27,420 S9: like for example, uh, verses that claim that Israel is 805 00:45:27,700 --> 00:45:31,140 S9: attempting to commit genocide. And they'll take a verse like 806 00:45:31,140 --> 00:45:35,580 S9: from Joshua about dealing with the seven Nations in, in 807 00:45:35,620 --> 00:45:40,299 S9: Canaan when Joshua had one specific job, uh, and that 808 00:45:40,300 --> 00:45:43,900 S9: was to make the to take the land, uh, back 809 00:45:43,900 --> 00:45:49,340 S9: in 1400 BC. That's not what Israel is approaching with nowadays. Well, 810 00:45:49,380 --> 00:45:52,980 S9: what what there are radicals. And just think about it. 811 00:45:53,020 --> 00:45:58,100 S9: If only 10% of Islam are radicals, that's how many 812 00:45:58,100 --> 00:46:01,739 S9: billion people, I mean, or a million people. So we're 813 00:46:01,780 --> 00:46:04,100 S9: we're looking at a large number of people, but it 814 00:46:04,100 --> 00:46:07,910 S9: is not the vast majority of of Muslims. And I 815 00:46:07,910 --> 00:46:10,550 S9: think we have to be really careful of that. Uh, 816 00:46:10,750 --> 00:46:15,430 S9: and they do take things out of context, and they 817 00:46:15,430 --> 00:46:19,790 S9: then take it hyper literally and are radicalized. And it's 818 00:46:19,830 --> 00:46:22,670 S9: the Muslim Brotherhood is growing in its influence. You have 819 00:46:22,670 --> 00:46:26,310 S9: to be cautious about that. However, uh, we don't want 820 00:46:26,310 --> 00:46:30,469 S9: to paint with such a broad brush. And that's my concern. 821 00:46:30,670 --> 00:46:30,990 S3: Yeah. 822 00:46:31,030 --> 00:46:33,110 S5: Doctor Michael Riedel, our guest right now. You know, I 823 00:46:33,110 --> 00:46:36,790 S5: think many people's ears were probably perked when you mentioned 824 00:46:36,830 --> 00:46:40,990 S5: that the book that you've written on Israel, your newest book, 825 00:46:41,030 --> 00:46:44,629 S5: has gotten some hate online. But many, many of the 826 00:46:44,630 --> 00:46:47,870 S5: comments you said are coming from those who would profess 827 00:46:47,870 --> 00:46:51,710 S5: to be evangelical Christians. I think that's surprising to a 828 00:46:51,750 --> 00:46:55,510 S5: lot of people that there that there is opposition, even 829 00:46:55,510 --> 00:46:59,310 S5: within those who call themselves followers of Christ. Is that 830 00:46:59,310 --> 00:47:00,590 S5: surprising to you? 831 00:47:01,190 --> 00:47:04,319 S9: Yeah, it's shocking to me. And they'll they'll cite a 832 00:47:04,320 --> 00:47:06,560 S9: verse about, well, not even a verse. They'll just say, 833 00:47:06,560 --> 00:47:09,200 S9: God has rejected the Jewish people. Don't read this book. 834 00:47:09,400 --> 00:47:12,920 S9: And then I've actually sent a little note there. You know, 835 00:47:12,960 --> 00:47:17,120 S9: Romans 11 one, Has God rejected his people whom he foreknew? 836 00:47:17,160 --> 00:47:20,960 S9: May it never be. Yeah. And, and and they say, yes, 837 00:47:20,960 --> 00:47:22,920 S9: he has. And they don't care. They don't care what 838 00:47:22,920 --> 00:47:27,279 S9: the Bible says. Uh, they they, uh, they point out 839 00:47:27,320 --> 00:47:30,680 S9: verses that the Jewish people rejected Jesus, but it says 840 00:47:30,680 --> 00:47:34,320 S9: that even despite that rejection to the gospel, that Jewish 841 00:47:34,320 --> 00:47:37,919 S9: people remain chosen and beloved. They don't care. Uh, and 842 00:47:37,920 --> 00:47:39,919 S9: one of the things that people are saying, and this 843 00:47:39,920 --> 00:47:43,399 S9: is shocking, is that the Jewish people of today are 844 00:47:43,440 --> 00:47:47,879 S9: somehow not connected by lineage to the Jewish people of 845 00:47:47,880 --> 00:47:51,920 S9: the Bible, that it's some separate people that didn't exist before. 846 00:47:52,200 --> 00:47:55,719 S9: How ridiculous is that? And yet they're stating it, stating it. 847 00:47:55,719 --> 00:47:59,920 S9: So there's a lot of, uh, embedded some of the 848 00:47:59,920 --> 00:48:06,489 S9: same anti-Jewish hate statements that we saw. I actually have 849 00:48:06,489 --> 00:48:10,850 S9: propaganda materials from the Nazi period from the 1930s. Some 850 00:48:10,850 --> 00:48:13,810 S9: of the very same things that we saw in the 851 00:48:13,810 --> 00:48:19,450 S9: 1930s is being stated by evangelicals today. People who name 852 00:48:19,450 --> 00:48:20,489 S9: the name of Jesus. 853 00:48:20,530 --> 00:48:23,210 S3: Yeah. I you know, I want to be cautionary there 854 00:48:23,210 --> 00:48:26,370 S3: because to ascribe to them that they are somehow authentic 855 00:48:26,370 --> 00:48:28,730 S3: followers of Christ to me is a bridge too far. 856 00:48:28,930 --> 00:48:30,410 S3: But that being said. 857 00:48:30,930 --> 00:48:32,130 S9: But you know what I'm saying? 858 00:48:32,170 --> 00:48:32,650 S3: I do. 859 00:48:32,810 --> 00:48:33,610 S9: Profess faith. 860 00:48:33,770 --> 00:48:37,170 S3: I do, they profess it, and that's the danger. Uh, 861 00:48:37,410 --> 00:48:39,810 S3: final question here. And then boom, crew, we're going to 862 00:48:39,850 --> 00:48:42,090 S3: give you a link to his most recent book that's 863 00:48:42,090 --> 00:48:45,690 S3: getting slaughtered online, which means that's a dinner bell for 864 00:48:45,690 --> 00:48:51,090 S3: us to read it. Zechariah prophesied that on that day, 865 00:48:51,090 --> 00:48:53,210 S3: the nations of the earth are going to be gathered 866 00:48:53,210 --> 00:48:57,770 S3: against her. That isn't out of the blue last minute 867 00:48:57,770 --> 00:49:01,779 S3: end time stuff. It builds toward it. Michael. So how 868 00:49:01,780 --> 00:49:04,980 S3: do we prepare for a new world where we do 869 00:49:05,020 --> 00:49:07,300 S3: see the end drawing near? What do you say? 870 00:49:07,780 --> 00:49:11,660 S9: Well, I think genuine followers of Jesus, uh, need to 871 00:49:11,700 --> 00:49:14,420 S9: be the ones that speak up the most. I posted 872 00:49:14,420 --> 00:49:17,979 S9: something on my social media, my personal social media. An 873 00:49:17,980 --> 00:49:20,820 S9: article that was in the Wall Street Journal, probably behind 874 00:49:20,820 --> 00:49:23,739 S9: the paywall, so people couldn't read it, unfortunately. But there 875 00:49:23,739 --> 00:49:27,180 S9: was an article, uh, just a few days ago where 876 00:49:27,180 --> 00:49:30,940 S9: a man talked about how when there was about 30 877 00:49:30,940 --> 00:49:34,020 S9: years ago, there was an outpouring of anti-Semitic hatred and 878 00:49:34,020 --> 00:49:37,180 S9: attack on the Jewish community, an attack on Jewish children 879 00:49:37,340 --> 00:49:41,899 S9: in Montana. And what the the, the whole community in 880 00:49:41,900 --> 00:49:45,580 S9: Montana did was they it was during Hanukkah, just like now. 881 00:49:45,620 --> 00:49:49,020 S9: Today's the first day of Hanukkah. What they did is 882 00:49:49,060 --> 00:49:53,100 S9: they put either, uh, drawn menorahs in their windows or 883 00:49:53,140 --> 00:49:57,739 S9: they put an actual menorah, a Hanukkah, the the nine 884 00:49:57,940 --> 00:50:02,540 S9: branched menorah, uh, in their windows to identify with the 885 00:50:02,540 --> 00:50:07,260 S9: Jewish community. The whole city did it, and that's what 886 00:50:07,300 --> 00:50:10,140 S9: stopped it. I would and I thought, what a great idea. 887 00:50:10,180 --> 00:50:12,140 S9: I wish I had thought of that or heard about 888 00:50:12,140 --> 00:50:16,420 S9: that weeks ago. I think every believer in Jesus ought 889 00:50:16,420 --> 00:50:20,780 S9: to put their Hanukkah in the window, either a drawn 890 00:50:20,780 --> 00:50:24,339 S9: one or or something. Go to the store. Buy a 891 00:50:24,340 --> 00:50:28,860 S9: Hanukkah decoration. Uh, but but to do that, to identify. 892 00:50:28,900 --> 00:50:31,700 S9: Here's why. In John ten it says that the Lord 893 00:50:31,700 --> 00:50:36,339 S9: Jesus went to Jerusalem for the feast of Dedication. That's Hannukah. 894 00:50:36,380 --> 00:50:36,700 S3: Yeah. 895 00:50:36,739 --> 00:50:40,900 S9: The Lord Jesus identified with his people at Hanukkah. Uh, 896 00:50:41,060 --> 00:50:43,060 S9: those of us who love him should do the same. 897 00:50:43,260 --> 00:50:46,020 S3: Michael Ray Dolnick, our guest. We've got a link to 898 00:50:46,060 --> 00:50:47,580 S3: a book that we do need to read. 899 00:50:47,620 --> 00:50:50,219 S5: The book is called How Should Christians Think About Israel? 900 00:50:50,219 --> 00:50:56,580 S5: Just text Israel to 805 55 7898. Text Israel to 901 00:50:56,620 --> 00:50:59,900 S5: 800 555 7898.