WEBVTT - Hour 1: Preparing for Holy Week 0:00:09.360 --> 0:00:14.160 How does Passover relate to the Lord's Supper with Passover, 0:00:14.200 --> 0:00:18.480 Good Friday, Resurrection Day coming up. Tonight's Passover. It would 0:00:18.520 --> 0:00:22.560 be good to remember how the Messiah's last Seder is 0:00:22.560 --> 0:00:25.479 the basis for the Lord's table. Stay with me. We'll 0:00:25.480 --> 0:00:29.200 talk about that in just a moment. Hello, friends. Welcome 0:00:29.200 --> 0:00:33.279 to Open Line, Moody Radio's Bible study across America. My 0:00:33.280 --> 0:00:36.599 name is Michael Melnick. I'm the academic dean and a 0:00:36.600 --> 0:00:39.680 professor of Jewish studies and Bible at Moody Bible Institute. 0:00:39.680 --> 0:00:43.000 I'm so grateful to be joining you around the radio 0:00:43.000 --> 0:00:48.120 kitchen table. And we're talking about your questions about the Bible, God, 0:00:48.240 --> 0:00:50.919 and the spiritual life. 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So what is 0:01:42.810 --> 0:01:47.050 the significance of the Lord's Supper? Although some people interpret 0:01:47.050 --> 0:01:51.170 the Lord's Supper as what they call a means of grace. 0:01:53.450 --> 0:01:56.090 And what they mean with that is that there's a 0:01:56.090 --> 0:02:00.500 mystical presence of the Lord Jesus and somehow, by taking 0:02:00.500 --> 0:02:05.500 the Lord's Supper, participating in the Lord's table, that it 0:02:05.540 --> 0:02:10.860 grants grace to us. Well, God grants grace to us 0:02:10.860 --> 0:02:14.419 in many ways, but, uh, I believe the Bible teaches 0:02:14.419 --> 0:02:18.500 that there isn't a mystical presence, but rather that the 0:02:18.500 --> 0:02:24.380 Lord's Supper is a memorial. It's a symbolic meal. Let's 0:02:24.380 --> 0:02:27.780 talk about the memorial and symbolic aspects. First of all, 0:02:28.060 --> 0:02:32.500 the memorial aspect. It's essential to recognize that the Lord 0:02:32.500 --> 0:02:36.860 Jesus inaugurated the Lord's Table at a Passover meal. Scripture 0:02:36.860 --> 0:02:41.380 says that the Passover was to be a memorial for you, 0:02:41.380 --> 0:02:44.900 referring to Israel. You must celebrate it as a festival 0:02:44.940 --> 0:02:49.140 to the Lord. That's in Exodus 1214. Similarly, the Lord 0:02:49.139 --> 0:02:53.300 Jesus would tell his followers that when they celebrated communion, 0:02:53.540 --> 0:02:58.750 they do so in remembrance, similar to memorial in remembrance 0:02:58.750 --> 0:03:02.389 of him. And that's, of course, in Luke 2219. So 0:03:02.430 --> 0:03:06.590 the Lord's Supper was intended to memorialize our redemption from 0:03:06.590 --> 0:03:11.710 sin by remembering the body and blood of the Messiah, Jesus. 0:03:12.270 --> 0:03:16.710 With regard to the symbolic nature of these elements. We 0:03:16.710 --> 0:03:20.149 need to recall once again that the the Lord Jesus, 0:03:20.350 --> 0:03:25.829 the Messiah, inaugurated communion at a Passover meal. It's called 0:03:25.910 --> 0:03:28.030 a Seder. So some people call it the Last Supper. 0:03:28.030 --> 0:03:31.870 I call it the Last Seder. By the New Testament era, 0:03:32.030 --> 0:03:36.390 Jewish people had developed all sorts of symbolic elements to 0:03:36.430 --> 0:03:40.870 be included in the Passover Seder, such as a bitter 0:03:40.870 --> 0:03:44.750 root which represented the bitterness of slavery, and a bowl 0:03:44.750 --> 0:03:48.710 of salt water which represented the tears of slavery. You 0:03:48.710 --> 0:03:51.590 can see those even mentioned in Exodus 12 eight and 0:03:51.590 --> 0:03:55.920 numbers 911. So when the Lord Jesus said that the 0:03:55.920 --> 0:04:00.240 bread and wine were his body and blood. None of 0:04:00.240 --> 0:04:04.440 the Jewish men present would have understood these words in 0:04:04.440 --> 0:04:08.480 a literal sense. Jewish people, the disciples would have been 0:04:08.480 --> 0:04:13.160 familiar with all the symbolic elements of Passover. Therefore, they 0:04:13.160 --> 0:04:16.600 would have recognized that the Lord was using a metaphor 0:04:16.600 --> 0:04:20.400 meaning this bread is a symbol of my body, and 0:04:20.400 --> 0:04:24.640 this cup is a symbol of my blood. The Lord's Supper, 0:04:25.080 --> 0:04:31.040 celebrated as a symbolic memorial, still remains a crucial outward 0:04:31.040 --> 0:04:36.800 celebration of the New Covenant. Now, if the Lord's Table 0:04:36.800 --> 0:04:41.680 is only a symbolic memorial, people wonder if specific elements 0:04:41.680 --> 0:04:44.760 are all that you know, the the specific elements are 0:04:44.760 --> 0:04:49.320 all that important. Would it be okay to observe communion with, 0:04:49.560 --> 0:04:53.440 let's say, potato chips and soda pop? I'd say no, 0:04:53.850 --> 0:04:58.330 because these symbols that the Lord used have specific and 0:04:58.330 --> 0:05:04.570 important meanings. The Lord chose unleavened bread. He chose the 0:05:04.570 --> 0:05:08.370 fruit of the vine to institute this ceremony because they 0:05:08.370 --> 0:05:12.170 represent his sacrifice. He used the unleavened bread, or what 0:05:12.170 --> 0:05:17.130 we call matzo. The matzo is eaten at Passover, and 0:05:17.170 --> 0:05:20.930 there are several reasons. First, matzo was significant because leaven, 0:05:21.770 --> 0:05:25.969 which is this is unleavened cakes of bread, unleavened bread, 0:05:26.210 --> 0:05:29.370 yeast in Scripture, that's what leaven is, is frequently used 0:05:29.370 --> 0:05:32.930 as a symbol for sin. The Lord Jesus, you remember, said, 0:05:32.970 --> 0:05:35.089 beware of the leaven of the Pharisees. Beware of the 0:05:35.089 --> 0:05:39.490 leaven of the Sadducees, the hypocrisy of the Pharisees, and 0:05:39.490 --> 0:05:44.370 the unbelief of the Sadducees. That's in Matthew 16 six. 0:05:44.850 --> 0:05:48.850 Paul urged that the Corinthians were to clean out the leaven, 0:05:48.890 --> 0:05:53.300 the yeast of malice and wickedness in first Corinthians five eight. 0:05:53.540 --> 0:05:57.460 So unleavened bread represents in the. In the case of 0:05:57.460 --> 0:06:01.140 the Lord using it his sinlessness, he was without spot 0:06:01.140 --> 0:06:06.339 or blemish. He was perfect without sin. Second, ancient and 0:06:06.339 --> 0:06:10.900 modern matzah, both in the ancient world and today, was 0:06:10.900 --> 0:06:14.739 pierced in straight lines to keep it from rising. This 0:06:14.740 --> 0:06:18.860 symbolized that the Lord Jesus was pierced through for our transgressions, 0:06:18.860 --> 0:06:22.540 and by his scourging the stripes, we are healed. Isaiah 0:06:22.540 --> 0:06:26.140 53 five. Potato chips and fluffy loaves of bread, or 0:06:26.180 --> 0:06:31.380 even unleavened communion wafers miss the important symbolism of celebrating 0:06:31.380 --> 0:06:36.339 the Lord's Supper with matzo. Additionally, the wine used during 0:06:36.339 --> 0:06:38.820 the Passover meal is a deep bread and represents the 0:06:38.820 --> 0:06:42.580 blood of the Messiah, Jesus that cleanses us from sin. 0:06:42.700 --> 0:06:46.659 So soft drinks, even white wine or white grape juice, 0:06:46.660 --> 0:06:50.180 are inadequate to represent his blood for the cup to 0:06:50.220 --> 0:06:54.390 commemorate its symbol. We need to use red fruit of 0:06:54.390 --> 0:06:57.469 the wine. Whether juice or wine. It doesn't matter, but 0:06:57.510 --> 0:07:00.870 it has to be red. The symbolic nature of the 0:07:00.870 --> 0:07:05.950 Lord's Supper doesn't minimize its importance, as the God ordained 0:07:05.950 --> 0:07:10.910 Passover celebration didn't diminish God's deliverance of Israel from Egypt. 0:07:11.230 --> 0:07:15.070 We observe it regularly because one, the Lord Jesus commanded, 0:07:15.070 --> 0:07:18.390 we observe it. He said, do this in remembrance of me. 0:07:18.670 --> 0:07:23.990 Luke 2219. Two The Lord's Table is a proclamation of 0:07:23.990 --> 0:07:28.750 our faith that the Messiah, Jesus, died as our substitute, 0:07:29.510 --> 0:07:33.310 that he will return. You proclaim the Lord's death until 0:07:33.310 --> 0:07:38.270 he comes. That's first Corinthians 1126 and three. The Lord's 0:07:38.270 --> 0:07:42.110 Supper is a declaration of the fellowship of all believers, 0:07:42.390 --> 0:07:46.750 because by it we share our unity in the Messiah, Jesus, 0:07:46.750 --> 0:07:51.680 he says. Paul says in first Corinthians Chapter ten, verses 0:07:51.680 --> 0:07:55.200 16 and 17, is not the cup. A sharing in 0:07:55.200 --> 0:07:58.080 the blood of Messiah? Is not the bread a sharing 0:07:58.080 --> 0:08:02.200 in the body of Messiah. We who are many are 0:08:02.200 --> 0:08:07.280 one body. That's first Corinthians ten, 16 and 17. So 0:08:08.360 --> 0:08:14.960 whether it's obeying a command, proclaiming our faith, or expressing 0:08:14.960 --> 0:08:19.560 our unity, the Lord's Supper remains a crucial celebration. Its 0:08:19.560 --> 0:08:23.560 value and importance isn't lessened by viewing it as symbolic. 0:08:24.440 --> 0:08:29.720 So some people call communion a sacrament, a grace giving practice, 0:08:30.200 --> 0:08:34.120 and others call it an ordinance, an observance commanded by 0:08:34.120 --> 0:08:38.840 the Lord. I prefer to call it a new covenant ceremony. 0:08:39.280 --> 0:08:43.920 Ceremonies were designed to communicate truth by our actions. Every 0:08:43.960 --> 0:08:48.199 time we celebrate the Lord's Supper, we're declaring that our Messiah, Jesus, 0:08:48.200 --> 0:08:53.330 died for us, rose again, and is returning as our King. 0:08:53.970 --> 0:08:58.250 Observing the Lord's Table is a living declaration of the 0:08:58.250 --> 0:09:09.530 good news that delivered us from our sin. That opening 0:09:09.530 --> 0:09:13.370 word was taken from a book that I wrote, although 0:09:13.370 --> 0:09:15.850 it wasn't exactly the same as sort of adapted into 0:09:15.890 --> 0:09:20.569 speaking form. But the book was called is called 50 0:09:20.610 --> 0:09:24.210 Most Important Bible Questions, if you're interested in that, and 0:09:24.210 --> 0:09:26.570 49 other questions, that's a book that you can find 0:09:26.570 --> 0:09:34.050 at Moody publishers.com. 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Uh, 0:11:22.190 --> 0:11:24.350 and that would be a good way of dealing with it. 0:11:24.390 --> 0:11:29.430 It's not they're not official questions from the mailbag, but 0:11:30.150 --> 0:11:34.309 people sometimes ask about this. They and this is actually 0:11:34.309 --> 0:11:38.750 a question that I just received this week. Um, they 0:11:38.750 --> 0:11:43.150 say if Jesus didn't go to hell, why is it 0:11:43.150 --> 0:11:46.960 that Mary was told not to touch him because he 0:11:46.960 --> 0:11:50.040 has not yet ascended to the father. That's from John 0:11:50.040 --> 0:11:55.880 chapter 20 and verse 17 and the I'll read that 0:11:55.880 --> 0:11:59.360 to you. I think it's it's a helpful question because 0:11:59.360 --> 0:12:02.120 people have taken that to mean that this is proof 0:12:02.120 --> 0:12:06.640 that Jesus had not been yet purified from going to hell. 0:12:06.679 --> 0:12:10.800 Here's what it says. Uh. Don't touch me. Jesus told her, 0:12:10.800 --> 0:12:14.520 for I have not yet ascended to the father. But 0:12:14.520 --> 0:12:17.600 go to my brothers and tell them I am ascending 0:12:17.640 --> 0:12:22.480 to my father. Well, this sounds like Jesus had just 0:12:22.520 --> 0:12:26.959 risen from hell and was encountering Mary. Well, a couple 0:12:27.000 --> 0:12:29.960 of things about that verse. I think the King James says, 0:12:29.960 --> 0:12:33.439 don't touch me. But most versions would reflect a better 0:12:33.440 --> 0:12:38.480 translation of the Greek that would say, stop clinging to me. 0:12:39.440 --> 0:12:42.280 In other words, you can imagine Mary so excited about 0:12:42.280 --> 0:12:45.880 meeting her Lord that she grasped a hold of him. 0:12:46.120 --> 0:12:47.959 Can you imagine? She's holding on, and she's not going 0:12:48.000 --> 0:12:50.839 to let go for dear life. And he says, you 0:12:50.840 --> 0:12:54.559 can stop. It's not like, don't touch me. I'm impure 0:12:54.600 --> 0:12:57.480 or defiled by hell. It's stopped clinging to me. Let 0:12:57.480 --> 0:13:00.160 me go. I can walk, you can let go of me. 0:13:00.320 --> 0:13:02.960 You don't have to be afraid. I'm not leaving you 0:13:04.440 --> 0:13:07.040 because I've. I still haven't ascended to the father. He's 0:13:07.040 --> 0:13:09.240 not talking about that. He. His spirit didn't go to 0:13:09.240 --> 0:13:11.640 be with the father when he said, father, into your 0:13:11.640 --> 0:13:14.280 hands I commit my spirit. He is saying the Ascension 0:13:14.280 --> 0:13:16.800 hasn't taken place. I'm going to be with you for 0:13:16.800 --> 0:13:21.280 40 days, and I'm going to ascend to the father then, 0:13:21.280 --> 0:13:24.440 so you can let go of me. Uh, I am 0:13:24.440 --> 0:13:29.440 not ascending to the father permanently just yet. And so 0:13:29.920 --> 0:13:33.280 that's the first verse that people have asked me about. 0:13:33.320 --> 0:13:36.080 And the other verse that the, the that I received 0:13:36.080 --> 0:13:42.330 in an email question has to do with acts 227. Uh, 0:13:42.370 --> 0:13:46.170 this one says, uh, that the proof of the resurrection 0:13:46.170 --> 0:13:50.850 is from Psalm 16. And in 227 it says, it 0:13:50.890 --> 0:13:53.970 quotes it this way you will not leave my me 0:13:54.010 --> 0:13:57.410 in Hades or allow your Holy One to see decay. 0:13:57.610 --> 0:14:00.210 So it says in the King James in the Old 0:14:00.250 --> 0:14:03.450 Testament it says, you will not abandon me to Sheol. 0:14:03.890 --> 0:14:06.770 And here the people. But it says in the King James, 0:14:06.809 --> 0:14:09.290 actually you will not abandon me to hell. And it 0:14:09.290 --> 0:14:12.809 says here, uh, the same thing. It uses Hades. So 0:14:12.809 --> 0:14:17.090 people think Jesus went to hell, but actually it's Sheol. 0:14:17.130 --> 0:14:20.930 That's that's the literal the the abode of the dead. 0:14:21.370 --> 0:14:25.450 And the point is, you will not leave me physically dead. 0:14:26.410 --> 0:14:29.770 My body will not undergo decay, but will be resurrected 0:14:29.770 --> 0:14:32.730 before undergoing decay. It doesn't mean that he went to hell. 0:14:32.730 --> 0:14:35.570 It means that you will not leave me in the 0:14:35.570 --> 0:14:38.890 place in the abode of the dead. But I will 0:14:38.890 --> 0:14:42.260 be raised first. Well, I hope that answers a couple 0:14:42.300 --> 0:14:45.500 of questions that, uh, others of you have had, because 0:14:45.500 --> 0:14:48.780 that's what's being sent to me personally by some people 0:14:48.780 --> 0:14:52.740 that know me. So I hope those, uh, those answers 0:14:52.740 --> 0:14:54.900 help you with those verses. We're going to be right 0:14:54.900 --> 0:14:57.860 back with more of your calls in just a moment. 0:14:57.860 --> 0:15:00.460 Stay right there with us. This is open line with 0:15:00.460 --> 0:15:18.380 Michael Ray Tillman. And we're back. I am, uh, I'm 0:15:18.380 --> 0:15:22.020 aware that there's some sort of, uh, technical difficulties, but 0:15:22.020 --> 0:15:23.780 I am back with you now. I'm glad to be 0:15:23.780 --> 0:15:26.660 with you. Uh, here on Open Line, I'm Michael Ray Dolnick, 0:15:26.660 --> 0:15:28.540 and we're going to go right to the phones. Now 0:15:28.540 --> 0:15:34.740 we're going to speak with, uh, Donna. Uh, actually, we're 0:15:34.740 --> 0:15:38.340 going to speak with Amy in Chicago listening on WNBA. Uh, 0:15:38.510 --> 0:15:41.030 welcome to Open Line, Amy. How can I help you today? 0:15:41.470 --> 0:15:47.590 Good morning. Technical gremlins are busy. I have two questions. Briefly. First, 0:15:47.590 --> 0:15:50.910 can I get your opinion on the accuracy of the 0:15:50.950 --> 0:15:55.790 Jewish calendar that we're. It's like, 5700 years. 0:15:56.190 --> 0:16:01.750 Yeah. Well, I probably that's the Jewish calendar counts from 0:16:01.750 --> 0:16:03.870 the creation of the world. I don't think that that's 0:16:03.870 --> 0:16:11.590 necessarily accurate. So, um, but it's what we traditionally call 0:16:11.630 --> 0:16:13.030 the the Jewish year. 0:16:13.430 --> 0:16:16.750 So you're right. Okay. And the other question is, at 0:16:16.750 --> 0:16:20.310 what point during the Passover was Jesus crucified? 0:16:21.870 --> 0:16:23.750 At what point during the Passover? 0:16:24.190 --> 0:16:26.710 Yes, because it's like a week long, right? 0:16:27.110 --> 0:16:30.230 Yeah, but it was on the on the Gospels tell 0:16:30.230 --> 0:16:34.910 us clearly that it was the first night of Passover 0:16:34.910 --> 0:16:38.200 that the Lord had the Lord's Supper. The last Seder 0:16:38.200 --> 0:16:44.200 with his disciples. That would have been Thursday night. And then, uh, 0:16:44.480 --> 0:16:48.800 he was arrested that night, tried very early in the 0:16:48.800 --> 0:16:54.560 morning by Pilate, uh, and then, uh, put on the 0:16:54.560 --> 0:17:00.560 cross at 9 a.m., um, so on on Friday, um, 0:17:01.120 --> 0:17:04.960 at about noon, it would have been when the Lord 0:17:04.960 --> 0:17:07.680 gave up his spirit to the father. Into your hands 0:17:07.680 --> 0:17:11.520 I commit my spirit. Uh, and that's when it would be. 0:17:11.560 --> 0:17:16.480 And I'm guessing you're asking about this, Amy, because people 0:17:16.640 --> 0:17:19.280 get all nervous about the three days and three nights 0:17:19.320 --> 0:17:21.240 in in the tomb. Is that. 0:17:21.800 --> 0:17:24.160 No, no, it's not that. It's just that I wonder, 0:17:24.160 --> 0:17:26.840 because Passover is based on the cycle of the moon, right? 0:17:26.880 --> 0:17:30.560 So it doesn't necessarily start on a Friday, right? 0:17:30.880 --> 0:17:32.520 It just happened to that day. 0:17:32.760 --> 0:17:33.200 Right? 0:17:33.200 --> 0:17:37.330 Right. That that year, A.D., uh, March 5th. I'm sorry. 0:17:37.369 --> 0:17:41.690 April 5th. Uh, AD 33. That was a Friday. 0:17:42.530 --> 0:17:44.450 Oh, you think it was April 5th? Okay. 0:17:44.770 --> 0:17:45.170 Yeah. 0:17:45.210 --> 0:17:46.570 Interesting. Okay. 0:17:46.970 --> 0:17:49.609 So. Okay. Thank you very much. God bless. 0:17:49.730 --> 0:17:53.490 Okay. Thank you. Amy. Uh, we're going to talk with 0:17:53.690 --> 0:17:57.130 Donna in Spring Hill, Florida, listening on Moody Radio, Florida. 0:17:57.170 --> 0:17:59.450 So glad to have you with us, Donna. How can 0:17:59.450 --> 0:18:00.330 I help you today? 0:18:01.090 --> 0:18:06.169 Um, yeah, I myself am a messianic Jew and living 0:18:06.210 --> 0:18:11.450 amongst New Covenant Christians. And I've always wondered why New 0:18:11.450 --> 0:18:17.210 Covenant Christianity continues to dismiss recognition of the Passover. 0:18:17.530 --> 0:18:21.170 Now, what do you mean by New Covenant Christian? 0:18:22.490 --> 0:18:26.810 Well, sometimes it seems to me like there's a God 0:18:26.810 --> 0:18:30.370 for the New Covenant Christians. And then there's the God 0:18:30.369 --> 0:18:31.770 that the Jews have. 0:18:31.810 --> 0:18:33.530 It's like your that's just your. 0:18:33.570 --> 0:18:36.300 Name for them, the new Covenant Christians, right? 0:18:36.340 --> 0:18:40.140 Well, I didn't know how else to refer to it. 0:18:40.300 --> 0:18:41.660 You mean your basic born. 0:18:41.660 --> 0:18:44.140 Again Christian that goes to church? Is that what you're 0:18:44.140 --> 0:18:44.780 talking about? 0:18:46.020 --> 0:18:51.060 Yes. The basic born again. Well, not necessarily even born again. 0:18:51.540 --> 0:18:56.540 Just just Christians in general that go to either Catholic 0:18:56.540 --> 0:18:57.700 church or Lutheran church. 0:18:57.740 --> 0:19:00.020 Okay. Okay. Okay. Well. 0:19:00.340 --> 0:19:02.100 First of all, let me just say that there's been 0:19:02.100 --> 0:19:06.740 a great movement to people who are not Jewish, understanding 0:19:06.740 --> 0:19:11.980 and appreciating the Jewish roots of the of communion, and 0:19:11.980 --> 0:19:16.459 that they understand the Passover, that so much of the 0:19:16.460 --> 0:19:22.820 Passover points to the Lord Jesus. Whether it's the, you know, 0:19:22.859 --> 0:19:27.500 the tears for the bitterness of slavery to sin and 0:19:27.500 --> 0:19:32.220 the symbolic element there, and the lamb, the shankbone of 0:19:32.220 --> 0:19:34.550 the lamb, which reminds us that Jesus is the Lamb 0:19:34.550 --> 0:19:36.429 of God who takes away the sin of the world. 0:19:36.430 --> 0:19:41.230 That was that he was pure and spotless. Uh, the matzo, 0:19:41.230 --> 0:19:44.710 which is pierced and striped. Uh, just as he was 0:19:44.710 --> 0:19:47.590 pierced and striped. And he it's without leaven. All these 0:19:47.590 --> 0:19:50.430 things point to the Messiah, and there's a greater interest 0:19:50.430 --> 0:19:54.909 than ever before. A few years ago, uh, some Jewish 0:19:54.910 --> 0:20:01.310 writers wrote in Christianity Today that they wish that Christians 0:20:01.310 --> 0:20:05.390 would stop having Messianic Jews come to their churches and 0:20:05.390 --> 0:20:09.750 explain Messiah in the Passover. They didn't like it. And 0:20:09.750 --> 0:20:12.710 I think, uh, yeah, I bet they don't, because it 0:20:12.710 --> 0:20:19.190 shows the really sharp, the very clear connection between the 0:20:19.430 --> 0:20:23.670 the foreshadowing of the Hebrew Bible with its fulfillment in 0:20:23.670 --> 0:20:28.070 the Messiah, Jesus. So, yeah, I guess stop, stop doing that. 0:20:28.070 --> 0:20:29.710 I said, no, I'm not going to stop doing that. 0:20:29.710 --> 0:20:33.720 I keep talking about that. So, uh. But anyway, the, uh, 0:20:35.320 --> 0:20:38.760 the the point is, I think there's a growing awareness, 0:20:38.760 --> 0:20:44.399 the reason that most Christians aren't really into it. Uh, 0:20:44.400 --> 0:20:47.320 but I think they're growing. Growing many, many more who 0:20:47.320 --> 0:20:48.120 are interested. 0:20:48.400 --> 0:20:49.600 But I hope so. 0:20:49.920 --> 0:20:53.240 Uh, but, you know, in the early Middle Ages, when 0:20:53.240 --> 0:20:59.800 Jewish people came to faith keeping Passover or anything Jewish 0:20:59.800 --> 0:21:03.200 was considered, quote, judaizing, unquote. 0:21:03.320 --> 0:21:03.840 Mhm. 0:21:04.160 --> 0:21:08.080 And and in fact, if you look at some of the, uh, 0:21:08.080 --> 0:21:11.800 faith statements that Jewish people had to make in the fifth, sixth, 0:21:11.840 --> 0:21:16.840 seventh century, they had to swear off keeping kosher food, 0:21:16.840 --> 0:21:19.960 eating kosher food. They had to swear that they wouldn't 0:21:19.960 --> 0:21:21.240 keep a Passover meal. 0:21:21.880 --> 0:21:22.240 Right. 0:21:22.280 --> 0:21:25.600 If you can imagine. And I think that was deeply embedded, 0:21:25.600 --> 0:21:28.359 that anything that we see in the they wanted to 0:21:28.880 --> 0:21:33.330 kind of sell Squeeze out. Obliterate the Jewish roots of 0:21:33.330 --> 0:21:36.650 the faith. Uh, that's contrary to the New Testament. But 0:21:36.650 --> 0:21:37.689 that's what they were doing. 0:21:37.730 --> 0:21:38.689 Yeah. So. Yeah. 0:21:38.690 --> 0:21:43.850 Yeah, yeah. But I am grateful that so many believers today, uh, 0:21:43.850 --> 0:21:46.290 who are not Jewish, want to learn about this. They 0:21:46.290 --> 0:21:49.930 want to understand their Jewish roots. And so don't don't 0:21:49.930 --> 0:21:53.690 presume that everyone isn't interested. There's many, many. I mean, 0:21:54.010 --> 0:21:56.170 if they weren't interested, I wouldn't be going from church 0:21:56.170 --> 0:21:59.330 to church from year to year explaining the Jewish roots 0:21:59.330 --> 0:22:01.850 of the Passover of of the Lord's Supper. 0:22:02.530 --> 0:22:05.370 So how often do you come to Spring Hill, Florida? 0:22:05.410 --> 0:22:07.969 Uh, not very often, but, uh, I go a lot 0:22:08.010 --> 0:22:09.010 of places, but there's. 0:22:09.010 --> 0:22:12.169 Always someone, uh, you know, one of our partners, Chosen 0:22:12.170 --> 0:22:16.129 People Ministries, they spread out all over Florida and have 0:22:16.170 --> 0:22:21.530 their representatives explaining the Jewish roots of of the Lord's Supper, uh, 0:22:21.690 --> 0:22:25.010 the Passover Messiah and the Passover. So contact that office. 0:22:25.010 --> 0:22:28.730 You should look look them up online. Chosen people ministries, 0:22:28.820 --> 0:22:30.700 and they'll direct you. Okay. 0:22:31.420 --> 0:22:33.659 Is there time for another question? 0:22:33.700 --> 0:22:36.179 No, I got to go to the next call. Call again? Okay. Donna, 0:22:36.220 --> 0:22:38.140 I really appreciate it. Okay. 0:22:38.140 --> 0:22:40.619 Thanks. Bye. Yep. Shalom. Shabbat shalom. 0:22:40.740 --> 0:22:45.300 Shabbat shalom. We're going to speak, uh, with Darryl in 0:22:45.300 --> 0:22:49.100 Crown Point, Indiana. Hey, Darryl. Thanks for listening on Wmbi. 0:22:49.140 --> 0:22:51.500 Welcome to Open Line. How can I help you? 0:22:52.500 --> 0:22:57.020 I was asking the question of where the Apostle's Creed 0:22:57.060 --> 0:23:00.139 talks about Jesus descending into hell, and where you stand 0:23:00.140 --> 0:23:01.940 on that, I don't. Yeah. 0:23:02.220 --> 0:23:06.260 Well, the earliest, uh, Apostles Creed didn't have that in there. 0:23:06.260 --> 0:23:12.500 That was added later on. Um, and, uh, but it's 0:23:12.500 --> 0:23:15.020 it's quite an ancient teaching. I don't think the Bible 0:23:15.020 --> 0:23:19.340 supports it. It's usually taken from first Peter three, where, uh, 0:23:19.900 --> 0:23:24.379 there's a mention of him, uh, preaching to the spirits 0:23:24.420 --> 0:23:28.270 now in prison. Uh, but I think that that's just 0:23:28.270 --> 0:23:31.830 meaning that the Lord Jesus preached through Noah. If you 0:23:31.830 --> 0:23:34.710 look at the context, Noah was the one. And he 0:23:34.710 --> 0:23:38.590 preached to the people of Noah's day through Noah. And 0:23:38.590 --> 0:23:42.310 then they died having rejected Noah's message. And therefore they 0:23:42.310 --> 0:23:46.510 are now spirits in, in prison. Uh, and so he 0:23:46.510 --> 0:23:49.950 preached through Noah to people who died and became spirits 0:23:49.950 --> 0:23:53.429 in prison. Uh, I think that's the main verse that 0:23:53.430 --> 0:23:56.990 is used for the Lord descending to hell to either 0:23:56.990 --> 0:24:03.070 proclaim his victory or or descending into hell, uh, to proclaim. 0:24:03.109 --> 0:24:05.390 Some people think a second chance. I don't think anyone 0:24:05.390 --> 0:24:09.389 really seriously who believes the Bible says that. But, uh, 0:24:09.390 --> 0:24:14.230 the main thing there is that he descended to hell to, uh, 0:24:14.230 --> 0:24:16.750 proclaim victory over the demons. But that's not what that 0:24:16.750 --> 0:24:19.870 verse is talking about. The context is that he preached 0:24:20.670 --> 0:24:23.109 to the spirits in prison. That means he preached the 0:24:23.109 --> 0:24:28.200 good news through Noah, that there was deliverance from the flood. Uh, 0:24:28.359 --> 0:24:31.880 so he preached through Noah. The people didn't listen to Noah. 0:24:32.119 --> 0:24:36.440 They died. And now they are spirits in prison, awaiting 0:24:36.480 --> 0:24:41.560 future judgment. That's what I think that that's talking about. Uh, so, uh, 0:24:41.560 --> 0:24:44.240 so I don't think the Lord descended to hell. Here's 0:24:44.240 --> 0:24:46.639 why the Lord says, father, into your hands I commit 0:24:46.640 --> 0:24:50.400 my spirit. He said, that's what he says as he dies. 0:24:50.400 --> 0:24:57.240 And then, uh, secondly, uh, he says, uh, to the 0:24:57.240 --> 0:25:00.520 thief on the cross today, this day, you'll be together 0:25:00.520 --> 0:25:03.480 with me in Paradise. So it appears that the Lord 0:25:03.480 --> 0:25:07.880 Jesus went immediately to the father. That's that's what I 0:25:07.880 --> 0:25:09.080 think he did. 0:25:09.440 --> 0:25:11.800 So, uh. Yes. 0:25:13.600 --> 0:25:15.360 Thank you, I definitely agree. 0:25:15.800 --> 0:25:19.320 Okay, good, good. Uh, you know, there's a lot of 0:25:19.320 --> 0:25:22.040 people that that feel like that's some essential to the 0:25:22.040 --> 0:25:28.650 faith because it's in the Apostles Creed, but it's not. 0:25:29.570 --> 0:25:33.050 It wasn't in the original Apostles Creed. It's certainly the 0:25:33.050 --> 0:25:35.370 essential of the faith that Jesus died for us and 0:25:35.369 --> 0:25:38.050 rose again. Uh, well, we're going to come back in 0:25:38.050 --> 0:25:40.090 a moment with the mailbag, so stay with us. You're 0:25:40.090 --> 0:25:43.010 listening to Open Line with Michael Ray Dominic. We'll be 0:25:43.010 --> 0:26:09.410 right back. Welcome back to Open Line. So glad to 0:26:09.410 --> 0:26:13.570 be with you. Uh, my name is Michael Melnick, and 0:26:13.850 --> 0:26:17.850 I'm so grateful that Far Eastern Broadcasting Company partners with 0:26:17.850 --> 0:26:23.660 us to bring you the Febc mailbag. Uh, every, Uh, 0:26:23.740 --> 0:26:27.860 every week. 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Hey we better handle some 0:29:13.400 --> 0:29:15.520 of these questions people sent in. Don't you think. 0:29:15.560 --> 0:29:18.720 Yes, yes. Thank you so much. Our first question is 0:29:18.720 --> 0:29:26.210 from Mark in Indiana. Listening through Matthew 1240 talks about 0:29:26.210 --> 0:29:29.330 Jesus going down to the heart of the earth. Where 0:29:29.330 --> 0:29:30.050 is that? 0:29:32.210 --> 0:29:34.170 Where is the heart of the earth? The belly of 0:29:34.170 --> 0:29:41.570 the earth? Yes. Uh. It's a, uh, it's a euphemism 0:29:41.570 --> 0:29:46.610 or a figure of speech for burial. That's all it is. 0:29:46.810 --> 0:29:50.290 It doesn't. It doesn't mean that, you know, he journeyed 0:29:50.330 --> 0:29:55.170 to the center of the earth like the old TV show. Uh, is. 0:29:55.170 --> 0:30:01.170 It's just a reference to burial. So, for example, in 0:30:01.850 --> 0:30:04.210 Matthew 12, I'll read you the whole verse because it's 0:30:04.210 --> 0:30:06.930 interesting verse. And then I'll even talk about the thing 0:30:06.930 --> 0:30:10.970 that really troubles people about it. Mhm. As Jonah was 0:30:10.970 --> 0:30:13.650 in the belly of the huge fish three days and 0:30:13.650 --> 0:30:17.050 three nights, so the Son of Man will be in 0:30:17.050 --> 0:30:20.140 the heart of the earth. Three days and three nights. Well, 0:30:20.180 --> 0:30:23.380 obviously that has to do with being buried in a tomb. 0:30:23.380 --> 0:30:28.260 So it's just a figure of speech for burial. Now, 0:30:29.820 --> 0:30:36.060 the other issue has to do with, uh, three days 0:30:36.060 --> 0:30:38.780 and three nights. People get so worked up about the 0:30:38.780 --> 0:30:41.500 three days and three nights they want to recalculate the 0:30:41.500 --> 0:30:49.860 days of the, the, the, the day of the crucifixion and, uh, 0:30:50.180 --> 0:30:53.020 and the day of the resurrection that that refers to 0:30:53.060 --> 0:30:58.060 inclusive time reckoning and what that is, that's another figure 0:30:58.060 --> 0:31:03.140 of speech, where in the Bible and in Judaism, in 0:31:03.140 --> 0:31:06.660 the first century and even in the Old Testament, any 0:31:06.660 --> 0:31:08.980 part of a day counted as a day and a night, 0:31:09.140 --> 0:31:11.580 that's what it meant. Uh, so you could say a 0:31:11.620 --> 0:31:14.500 day and a night like, uh, Esther had the people 0:31:14.500 --> 0:31:17.590 fast for three days and three nights, it says. But 0:31:17.590 --> 0:31:19.390 then on the third day is when she went into 0:31:19.390 --> 0:31:21.830 the king. So she didn't wait for the full night 0:31:21.870 --> 0:31:26.070 on the third night. Uh, three days and three nights 0:31:26.070 --> 0:31:29.390 refers to any part of a day leading to three days. 0:31:29.390 --> 0:31:33.030 Three nights. And that would, uh. That's why it says 0:31:33.030 --> 0:31:36.430 three days. Three nights. Because Friday, Saturday, Sunday doesn't technically 0:31:36.430 --> 0:31:38.710 isn't three days and three nights, but it fits that 0:31:38.710 --> 0:31:41.270 figure of speech that Jewish people use for any part 0:31:41.270 --> 0:31:43.390 of a day, counting as a day and a night. 0:31:43.670 --> 0:31:44.710 So thank. 0:31:44.710 --> 0:31:47.670 You. Thank you for that clarification. And that actually leads 0:31:47.670 --> 0:31:50.350 right to our next question from Sandy. I think that 0:31:50.350 --> 0:31:54.070 inclusive time reckoning will apply to her question as well. 0:31:54.310 --> 0:31:58.150 Sandy's from Wisconsin, the Moody Radio, um, Alexa devices where 0:31:58.150 --> 0:32:00.830 she uses a friend said that she has a King 0:32:00.830 --> 0:32:03.510 James version of the Bible with a timeline at the 0:32:03.510 --> 0:32:06.190 end of Zechariah, and she states, it confirms that Jesus 0:32:06.190 --> 0:32:09.390 died on a Wednesday and rose on Saturday, the Sabbath. 0:32:09.390 --> 0:32:11.790 And she wanted the clarification as well. 0:32:12.750 --> 0:32:15.400 Well, I don't know what King James Bible she has. 0:32:15.400 --> 0:32:19.200 I don't think the King James Bible has any special 0:32:20.560 --> 0:32:24.240 insight into the days, and especially at the end of Zechariah. 0:32:24.480 --> 0:32:27.920 Perhaps it's referring to at the at the end of Zechariah, 0:32:27.960 --> 0:32:30.280 some sort of timeline that's added. That's not part of 0:32:30.280 --> 0:32:35.200 the text of the Bible. That wouldn't be any different, 0:32:35.200 --> 0:32:38.200 but it might be the way some interpreter put it. 0:32:38.520 --> 0:32:44.360 But I think the traditional time that it was Thursday night, 0:32:44.360 --> 0:32:49.920 Last Supper, that was a Seder. Um, and then the 0:32:50.280 --> 0:32:57.280 going to Gethsemane, uh, arrest on Thursday night and then 0:32:57.680 --> 0:33:02.960 through the night being held in captivity, uh, tried by 0:33:02.960 --> 0:33:09.520 the Sanhedrin, then tried before Pilate, Herod Antipas, Pilate again. 0:33:09.800 --> 0:33:13.040 6 a.m. is when the crowd shouts, crucify him! So 0:33:13.040 --> 0:33:16.490 it's obviously a crowd of ringers we call people who 0:33:16.490 --> 0:33:20.250 are gathered together at 6 a.m. for that very purpose. 0:33:20.250 --> 0:33:23.210 It wasn't just the general populace, it was, you know, 0:33:23.250 --> 0:33:26.810 a crowd that that some people gathered up to intentionally 0:33:26.810 --> 0:33:32.450 call for his crucifixion. 9 a.m. crucifixion. And then, uh, 0:33:32.770 --> 0:33:37.010 noon at death, I think. Now, this this book can 0:33:37.010 --> 0:33:39.610 be a little technical, but I mention it all the time. 0:33:39.650 --> 0:33:43.450 It's one of the most helpful books to understand. Chronology 0:33:43.450 --> 0:33:45.730 about the and the chronology of the last week of 0:33:45.730 --> 0:33:49.810 the Lord is in there. And it's really helpful, really biblical. 0:33:49.930 --> 0:33:55.770 It's called, uh, chronological aspects of the life of Christ. 0:33:56.010 --> 0:34:01.210 Chronological aspects of the Life of Christ by Harold Hoehner. 0:34:01.250 --> 0:34:05.250 H o e h e r. Anyone listening? That's a 0:34:05.250 --> 0:34:07.770 book you got to get. It's it's. He was my 0:34:07.810 --> 0:34:10.770 mentor for my master's thesis, and it was a fairly 0:34:10.770 --> 0:34:12.620 new book when I read it the first time, but 0:34:12.620 --> 0:34:16.980 I've been I'm old now, so it's so it's it's 0:34:17.020 --> 0:34:19.180 a fairly old book, but it's still in print. It's 0:34:19.180 --> 0:34:21.180 still a great book. It's one of the most helpful 0:34:21.219 --> 0:34:25.340 books you'll ever read about the chronology of the last week. 0:34:25.700 --> 0:34:29.420 So you give great resources. Thank you for that. 0:34:29.580 --> 0:34:32.620 Yeah. So let's do one more question. 0:34:32.660 --> 0:34:38.779 Heidi listening in Illinois WNBA, how did the Passover sacrifice 0:34:38.820 --> 0:34:42.980 go from saving the firstborn male to payment for our sins? Um, 0:34:43.180 --> 0:34:45.140 what is the correlation or the relationship? 0:34:45.940 --> 0:34:49.100 Well, the Passover lamb never took away our sins. The 0:34:49.100 --> 0:34:53.899 Passover lamb was, uh, a picture that God used, that 0:34:53.900 --> 0:34:56.820 the judgment would come, judgment would come on every house 0:34:56.820 --> 0:35:00.180 in Egypt. And the way to escape judgment was to 0:35:00.219 --> 0:35:02.500 offer a pure and spotless lamb and put his blood 0:35:02.500 --> 0:35:05.060 on the doorposts of your house. And God said that 0:35:05.060 --> 0:35:09.260 when I when I, uh, go through Egypt to to 0:35:09.460 --> 0:35:14.350 exercise judgment, I will pass over you. Your household. When 0:35:14.350 --> 0:35:16.670 you have the blood on the doorposts of your house, 0:35:16.950 --> 0:35:21.390 of that lamb. And so that lamb became a symbol 0:35:21.390 --> 0:35:29.750 or a pattern for how we can personally escape judgment. 0:35:29.989 --> 0:35:32.109 And that would be that if we take if God 0:35:32.150 --> 0:35:37.070 took a pure and spotless, sinless Messiah like a lamb 0:35:37.310 --> 0:35:40.150 as a lamb, not like he's a lamb, but as 0:35:40.150 --> 0:35:44.310 a lamb that went to the slaughter if he takes him, uh, 0:35:44.310 --> 0:35:47.230 and he is. That's why the Lord Jesus said, no 0:35:47.230 --> 0:35:50.549 one gives my life. No one takes my life, but 0:35:50.550 --> 0:35:53.150 I give it up freely. It's why in acts four 0:35:53.390 --> 0:35:57.469 it says that the crucifixion was for ordained by God. 0:35:57.469 --> 0:36:00.950 Your hand and your purpose predestined this to occur is 0:36:00.950 --> 0:36:06.310 what it says in acts 428. Uh, that that's why 0:36:06.350 --> 0:36:13.149 God did it. And the result was that the Lord 0:36:13.150 --> 0:36:16.430 Jesus was raised and we can experience forgiveness. So just 0:36:16.430 --> 0:36:18.910 as there was a pure and spotless lamb, there was 0:36:18.910 --> 0:36:22.110 a pure and spotless Savior who died as a lamb. 0:36:22.230 --> 0:36:24.509 And if we apply his blood to the doorposts of 0:36:24.510 --> 0:36:29.509 our hearts by faith, God will pass over judgment. Uh, when? 0:36:30.230 --> 0:36:33.549 When we would expect to be judged for our sins. Instead, 0:36:33.550 --> 0:36:35.989 he took the judgment, just as that lamb did. So 0:36:35.989 --> 0:36:40.430 it's just a patterning. It's not necessarily a literal lamb 0:36:40.430 --> 0:36:43.950 that takes away our sin, but it is. Why, uh, 0:36:44.950 --> 0:36:47.150 John the Baptist, when he saw the Lord, said, behold, 0:36:47.150 --> 0:36:49.029 the Lamb of God, who takes away the sin of 0:36:49.030 --> 0:36:53.110 the world. In John one. So it's not a literal he, 0:36:53.110 --> 0:36:57.590 the Lord, the lamb didn't take away sin. The Lord Jesus, uh, 0:36:57.710 --> 0:37:00.230 was not a literal lamb. He was a man, a 0:37:00.270 --> 0:37:04.070 God man. But, uh, do you follow what I'm saying? 0:37:04.110 --> 0:37:05.910 I do, I do. Thank you. 0:37:05.950 --> 0:37:08.680 I think sometimes we can get a little overly literal. 0:37:09.840 --> 0:37:12.080 We have to understand the Bible is filled with figures 0:37:12.080 --> 0:37:15.400 of speech because we speak in figures of speech. That's 0:37:15.400 --> 0:37:19.319 the normal way we speak. So. Well, uh, thanks for 0:37:19.320 --> 0:37:21.080 bringing those in. We're going to take a break here. 0:37:21.239 --> 0:37:22.440 Thank you. Thank you. Michael. 0:37:22.480 --> 0:37:24.359 Uh, when we come back, we're going to take more 0:37:24.360 --> 0:37:28.160 of your questions right here on Open Line. My name 0:37:28.160 --> 0:37:32.080 is Michael Ray Melnick. That was to hear Haines. And, uh, 0:37:33.120 --> 0:37:36.719 we'll be right back with more of your questions right now. Uh, 0:37:36.719 --> 0:37:57.320 just stay with us here on Open Line. Welcome back 0:37:57.320 --> 0:37:59.040 to Open Line. I need to mention a couple of 0:37:59.040 --> 0:38:01.560 things before we go back to the phones. First of all, 0:38:01.560 --> 0:38:04.439 I was in the midst of, uh, talking about our 0:38:04.440 --> 0:38:08.649 current resource when we had a a glitch with a 0:38:08.650 --> 0:38:11.370 technology glitch. So I do want to remind you that 0:38:11.410 --> 0:38:15.730 we're we're so committed because we believe the Bible. We 0:38:15.730 --> 0:38:18.089 love the Bible. 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It's my personal homepage. The 0:40:04.670 --> 0:40:06.710 reason I want to mention that is there's two things 0:40:06.710 --> 0:40:10.030 coming up. One is next December, I'm going to be 0:40:10.030 --> 0:40:13.750 doing a Bible conference on a ship tall ship in 0:40:13.750 --> 0:40:16.629 the Caribbean. It's going to be great studying the Book 0:40:16.630 --> 0:40:19.310 of Daniel there. And if you're interested, you can see 0:40:19.310 --> 0:40:24.750 that linked on my web page, as well as where 0:40:24.790 --> 0:40:29.070 we're going to plan to go to Israel again. It's 0:40:29.070 --> 0:40:31.470 become safe. We're not going to go to any war zone, 0:40:31.469 --> 0:40:36.390 but we're going to go to Israel in September of 2025, 0:40:36.390 --> 0:40:39.950 just a few months away. Um, and now that it's safe, 0:40:39.950 --> 0:40:43.669 we're going to go. And just today, we're we're letting 0:40:43.670 --> 0:40:46.430 people know that it's okay to check out going to 0:40:46.469 --> 0:40:50.430 Israel with Messianic Journeys in September. So I think those 0:40:50.430 --> 0:40:52.589 are some things you might be interested in. We're going 0:40:52.630 --> 0:40:57.510 to talk to Mike in Chicago listening on. Hi, welcome 0:40:57.510 --> 0:40:59.709 to Open Line, Mike. How can I help you? 0:41:00.430 --> 0:41:05.040 Uh, well, uh, doctor, thanks for taking my call. Um. 0:41:05.040 --> 0:41:08.240 Are you may I presume that you're familiar with Constantine's 0:41:08.480 --> 0:41:09.440 Easter decree? 0:41:09.760 --> 0:41:10.280 Yes. 0:41:11.000 --> 0:41:14.040 Yes. Well, for the benefit of your listeners, that may not. 0:41:14.320 --> 0:41:17.960 And my question relates to his decree that we should 0:41:17.960 --> 0:41:21.120 not celebrate Easter according to the Jews, and that we 0:41:21.120 --> 0:41:23.959 should not have. We the church should not have anything 0:41:24.120 --> 0:41:27.799 to do with the rabble of the, uh, the detestable 0:41:27.800 --> 0:41:30.799 mass of Jews, as Eusebius put it. So why does 0:41:30.800 --> 0:41:35.640 the church insist on celebrating Easter, according to Constantine, instead 0:41:35.640 --> 0:41:39.240 of the true date? According to the to the Jewish calendar, 0:41:39.239 --> 0:41:44.040 it seems highly disrespectful of Jesus and his origins and 0:41:44.040 --> 0:41:46.320 what you know Easter is all about. 0:41:48.960 --> 0:41:55.040 Well, I do know that, uh, Constantine, uh, wanted, you know, 0:41:55.080 --> 0:41:58.239 we think of the Council of Nicaea as clarifying the 0:41:58.239 --> 0:42:01.649 deity of Jesus, and that's a very good thing that 0:42:01.650 --> 0:42:07.930 came out of it. On the other hand, he changed 0:42:07.930 --> 0:42:10.850 the cycle for when to celebrate resurrection, to fit more 0:42:10.850 --> 0:42:14.609 with pagan sensibilities rather than Jewish ones. And he had 0:42:14.610 --> 0:42:18.290 his deeply anti-Jewish attitude, where he says he wanted to 0:42:18.290 --> 0:42:23.210 separate from the odious company of the Jews. And that's why, uh, 0:42:23.330 --> 0:42:31.129 he did that. Uh, so. What happened was this became embedded, 0:42:31.130 --> 0:42:34.210 at least in the Western Church, not necessarily in the 0:42:34.210 --> 0:42:38.930 Eastern Church. And so but, you know, the roots are 0:42:38.930 --> 0:42:41.609 clear if you go to if you speak Italian and 0:42:41.610 --> 0:42:44.170 you talk about Easter, they don't call it Easter. They 0:42:44.170 --> 0:42:48.290 don't call it anything. They call it related to that. 0:42:48.290 --> 0:42:53.050 They call it Pascha, Passover. Uh, that's the the way, uh, 0:42:53.570 --> 0:42:59.090 Easter or Resurrection Day is called Passover. So, uh, there 0:42:59.090 --> 0:43:02.820 are some that that recognize those routes. Here's the point, though. 0:43:04.100 --> 0:43:08.140 Western civilization has carried this out for so long. I 0:43:08.140 --> 0:43:11.660 think it would be really hard to turn over all 0:43:11.660 --> 0:43:19.260 of Western civilization and have them celebrate, uh, the atonement of, 0:43:19.300 --> 0:43:25.660 you know, Good Friday and the resurrection on, uh, on 0:43:25.660 --> 0:43:29.259 any other day except for Resurrection Sunday, because it's so 0:43:29.300 --> 0:43:33.700 embedded in Western culture. But I personally, I celebrate through 0:43:33.700 --> 0:43:37.100 the Passover week. That's when I celebrate those things. But 0:43:37.100 --> 0:43:41.020 that's my personal practice. I don't try to impose that 0:43:41.020 --> 0:43:45.380 on others, but that's how my family celebrates. Okay, Mike? 0:43:46.100 --> 0:43:48.100 Yes, thanks. I understand, but I think a lot of 0:43:48.100 --> 0:43:52.620 things in Western civilization, civilization might be overturned for the good. 0:43:52.660 --> 0:43:53.219 Listen. 0:43:53.500 --> 0:43:56.020 I. Yeah, but listen, as long as people are celebrating 0:43:56.020 --> 0:43:59.350 that Jesus is alive, I'm okay with it. It's okay. 0:43:59.390 --> 0:44:00.070 All right. Thanks. 0:44:00.270 --> 0:44:04.069 Okay. Yeah. Okay. Uh, we're going to talk to Emily. 0:44:04.070 --> 0:44:07.390 Listening in Pennsylvania on the Moody Radio app. Hi, Emily. 0:44:07.870 --> 0:44:08.950 How can I help you today? 0:44:09.989 --> 0:44:15.870 Oh, we love your show. We listen every Saturday. Thank you. Uh, so. So, uh, 0:44:15.870 --> 0:44:19.029 I came to the Lord, uh, at 37 after a 0:44:19.030 --> 0:44:24.069 very long search. Um, but my background is, um, Catholicism. 0:44:24.390 --> 0:44:28.310 So one verse that I had always wondered about, um, 0:44:28.830 --> 0:44:32.390 was it's in Luke. Uh, the kingdom of God is 0:44:32.430 --> 0:44:35.230 within you. When Jesus said that, what did he mean? 0:44:36.310 --> 0:44:42.870 Uh, well. He's he's not saying that there won't be 0:44:42.870 --> 0:44:49.430 a literal kingdom on Earth. Uh. I think what he's 0:44:49.469 --> 0:44:52.910 actually saying is that the kingdom of God doesn't start 0:44:52.910 --> 0:45:00.480 with a political upheaval where the Lord returns and establishes, Is, uh, a, uh, uh, 0:45:00.480 --> 0:45:06.880 an earthly kingdom. It actually starts when we trust in 0:45:06.880 --> 0:45:09.680 the Lord and believe in him and follow him and 0:45:09.680 --> 0:45:13.480 allow him to rule over us. Kingdom of God refers 0:45:13.480 --> 0:45:18.719 to the rulership of God, and his rulership doesn't start 0:45:18.840 --> 0:45:22.800 with a political upheaval. It starts with a personal transformation. 0:45:23.000 --> 0:45:25.400 And that's when he says, the Kingdom of God is 0:45:25.400 --> 0:45:30.040 in your midst or within you. Uh, it's it's it's 0:45:30.280 --> 0:45:34.440 in man's heart. Uh, your women's heart. It's in a 0:45:34.440 --> 0:45:40.000 person's faith decision. And only that's where it starts. But 0:45:40.000 --> 0:45:43.919 one day, when the entire nation of Israel makes that 0:45:43.920 --> 0:45:48.520 faith decision. That's a long time from when the Lord 0:45:48.520 --> 0:45:51.520 Jesus said it. But it does say that one day 0:45:51.520 --> 0:45:56.450 they will. He said, this is what he said. Oh, Jerusalem. Jerusalem. Uh, 0:45:56.690 --> 0:45:58.770 I would have gathered you as a mother hen gathers 0:45:58.770 --> 0:46:01.370 her chicks. But you were unwilling. You won't see me 0:46:01.370 --> 0:46:03.969 until you welcome me back. Until you say, blessed is 0:46:03.969 --> 0:46:05.410 he who comes in the name of the Lord, he 0:46:05.410 --> 0:46:08.250 will return, and the kingdom of God will come to earth, 0:46:08.250 --> 0:46:13.250 not as something just in our hearts, but actually, uh, 0:46:13.250 --> 0:46:17.009 his rulership on earth. So I hope that helps a 0:46:17.010 --> 0:46:19.009 little bit. Emily, we got to take our break here. 0:46:19.050 --> 0:46:21.930 Thanks for listening, everyone. That's it for the first hour. 0:46:23.410 --> 0:46:25.410 Keep listening for the second hour of Open Line, which 0:46:25.410 --> 0:46:27.970 is coming up during the break. Check out our web page, 0:46:27.969 --> 0:46:30.890 Open Line Radio. Org's got all the links you're looking for. 0:46:31.090 --> 0:46:34.529 The Bible study across America will continue in the second hour, 0:46:34.530 --> 0:46:38.130 so stay with us. 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