WEBVTT - Hour 1: Understanding the Passover 0:00:09.200 --> 0:00:12.200 What does Passover have to do with our lives today? 0:00:12.720 --> 0:00:15.640 What's the link between the Lord's Supper and Unleavened bread? 0:00:15.640 --> 0:00:19.040 Between the Jewish festival of Passover and the observance of 0:00:19.079 --> 0:00:23.840 Good Friday and Resurrection Day? We'll explore these questions and 0:00:23.840 --> 0:00:27.760 more in just a moment. Hello, friends. Welcome to Open 0:00:27.760 --> 0:00:32.360 Line with Michael Riedel. Moody Radio's Bible study across America. 0:00:32.720 --> 0:00:35.280 My name is Michael Riedel. I'm the dean and professor 0:00:35.280 --> 0:00:38.200 of Jewish studies and Bible at Moody Bible Institute. And 0:00:38.200 --> 0:00:40.960 I'm coming to you from the Moody Radio Studios in 0:00:40.960 --> 0:00:44.240 downtown Chicago. I'm glad to be sitting around the radio 0:00:44.240 --> 0:00:47.560 kitchen table with you, where every week we talk about 0:00:47.560 --> 0:00:51.800 your questions about the Bible, God, and the spiritual life. 0:00:52.280 --> 0:00:56.040 But today is a special pre-recorded Holy Weekend edition of 0:00:56.040 --> 0:01:01.090 Open Line. So please, no phone calls today. Thanks to 0:01:01.130 --> 0:01:03.930 Omar Mendoza for handling all the technical issues of this 0:01:03.930 --> 0:01:08.569 pre-record and for Tricia McMillan for producing. Tonight starts the 0:01:08.569 --> 0:01:12.690 last night of Passover, and tomorrow is the day when 0:01:12.730 --> 0:01:17.170 followers of Jesus celebrate the resurrection. So I needed someone 0:01:17.170 --> 0:01:19.450 to help us to delve deep into the Jewish and 0:01:19.450 --> 0:01:23.850 biblical roots of the celebration this weekend. So joining me 0:01:23.850 --> 0:01:27.530 to talk about the Messiah in the Passover is Larry Feldman. 0:01:27.569 --> 0:01:32.770 Larry Feldman has been working with Chosen People Ministries since 1974. 0:01:33.290 --> 0:01:36.970 He earned degrees at Moody Bible Institute in Jewish Studies. 0:01:36.970 --> 0:01:40.250 He also went to Dallas Seminary. We were there together. 0:01:40.250 --> 0:01:42.650 It was a great time together, and that's where we 0:01:42.650 --> 0:01:48.730 became great friends. He's been a believer since 1972. Larry 0:01:48.770 --> 0:01:52.850 also contributed a chapter to the book Messiah in the Passover, 0:01:52.890 --> 0:01:56.330 linked at our website at openline. Most of you know 0:01:56.330 --> 0:01:59.100 that Larry is my friend who's closer than a brother. 0:01:59.340 --> 0:02:02.060 I don't know anyone who has a more holistic or 0:02:02.100 --> 0:02:05.100 thorough knowledge of Scripture than Larry does. And I want 0:02:05.140 --> 0:02:07.300 to say thank you for joining me today, Larry. 0:02:07.700 --> 0:02:10.380 My pleasure to be back on the show. I always 0:02:10.380 --> 0:02:13.579 enjoy being with you and the listeners for the show. 0:02:13.620 --> 0:02:18.579 Yeah, it's always great. Particularly, I know your expertise about 0:02:18.580 --> 0:02:22.380 Passover because you wrote a chapter in a book. It's 0:02:22.419 --> 0:02:25.020 actually it appears in two books, a bigger book, which 0:02:25.020 --> 0:02:28.060 is going to be our featured resource today. It's called 0:02:28.060 --> 0:02:30.700 Messiah in the Passover. But you also wrote a chapter 0:02:30.700 --> 0:02:33.580 in a book, the same chapter. It's called The Gospel 0:02:33.580 --> 0:02:38.139 in the Passover. And your chapter, sharing the gospel through 0:02:38.139 --> 0:02:41.900 the Passover is just such an exceptional chapter, such an 0:02:41.900 --> 0:02:45.460 exceptional piece of work, that really I thought that as 0:02:45.460 --> 0:02:47.540 we go through that, we're going to talk about it 0:02:48.380 --> 0:02:51.419 and we'll be able to help our listeners really have 0:02:51.419 --> 0:02:54.340 a better understanding of the bridge between Passover and the 0:02:54.340 --> 0:02:58.790 celebration that is happening this weekend for them. So let's 0:02:58.790 --> 0:03:03.430 get started. Okay. Let's talk a little bit about what 0:03:03.430 --> 0:03:07.389 Passover is. What how would how can we describe Passover 0:03:07.389 --> 0:03:09.070 in just a few words? What would you say? 0:03:10.070 --> 0:03:13.950 Well, I would say actually I begin it in my 0:03:13.950 --> 0:03:17.389 chapter that Passover, the if you're going to think of 0:03:17.389 --> 0:03:20.830 one word, you think of redemption. Passover is the story 0:03:20.830 --> 0:03:26.190 of redemption. God purchasing us from our sin with the 0:03:26.190 --> 0:03:29.230 blood of the Passover Lamb, which was a picture of 0:03:29.270 --> 0:03:32.950 Yeshua Jesus dying for our sins. And so we're the 0:03:32.950 --> 0:03:36.390 redemption purchase of the Jewish people out of Egypt was 0:03:36.430 --> 0:03:40.190 a picture of the Lord's redemption for Jew and Gentile 0:03:40.190 --> 0:03:43.390 for the whole world. So really, short word. It's redemption 0:03:43.390 --> 0:03:44.270 for all people. 0:03:44.310 --> 0:03:47.150 You know, a lot of times people ask me if 0:03:47.190 --> 0:03:52.790 if I celebrate Passover and I say always, it's actually 0:03:52.830 --> 0:03:55.720 it's it's the best holiday of the year for me. 0:03:55.720 --> 0:03:58.840 And the reason is it's just what you're saying. It's 0:03:58.840 --> 0:04:02.080 a celebration of redemption. And I say I get double 0:04:02.840 --> 0:04:06.440 celebration because you and I, when we celebrate Passover, we 0:04:06.480 --> 0:04:10.520 celebrate redemption from slavery in Egypt, and we also celebrate 0:04:11.280 --> 0:04:16.680 redemption from slavery to sin through our Lord Yeshua. Our 0:04:16.680 --> 0:04:20.320 Lord Jesus, our the the Messiah. And so the Passover Lamb. 0:04:20.320 --> 0:04:23.120 And so that's why it's a double celebration for those 0:04:23.120 --> 0:04:25.280 of us who know Messiah, right? 0:04:25.520 --> 0:04:30.040 Well, well, you know, also from our Gentile friends, they 0:04:30.080 --> 0:04:33.320 sort of look with envy upon us because when we 0:04:33.320 --> 0:04:37.040 become believers, when we accept Yeshua Jesus as our Messiah, 0:04:37.200 --> 0:04:40.680 the Passover becomes real. It's just it's real for us 0:04:40.680 --> 0:04:44.000 every year. But now we understand the full meaning of it, 0:04:44.000 --> 0:04:46.920 and it just doubles our blessing and our abundance and 0:04:46.920 --> 0:04:51.800 our joy when we realize that our Messiah that we've 0:04:51.800 --> 0:04:55.570 always seen, actually the redemption story is fulfilled in Yeshua 0:04:55.570 --> 0:04:58.250 or Messiah. So it's a real blessing for us. And 0:04:58.290 --> 0:05:00.090 and it's just the story of our salvation. 0:05:00.089 --> 0:05:03.130 I think that's why so many of the non-Jewish friends 0:05:03.130 --> 0:05:07.850 that we have who love Yeshua, love the Messiah, Jesus, 0:05:08.450 --> 0:05:11.690 they want to celebrate Passover like here at Moody Bible Institute. 0:05:11.690 --> 0:05:16.730 I lead a Passover celebration for the student body. And 0:05:16.770 --> 0:05:19.369 obviously we have a few Messianic Jewish students. But the, 0:05:19.410 --> 0:05:23.049 you know, hundreds of non-Jewish students come because they want 0:05:23.050 --> 0:05:25.690 to learn, they want to celebrate. It is so meaningful 0:05:25.690 --> 0:05:28.170 to them, too. So that's what we're going to talk about. 0:05:28.210 --> 0:05:31.290 You know, when I say we have a Passover celebration, 0:05:31.450 --> 0:05:33.930 what I mean is we have a Passover, a messianic 0:05:34.130 --> 0:05:37.730 Passover Seder, and so much of what we're talking about 0:05:37.930 --> 0:05:42.169 revolves around the Seder. So the word seder means order 0:05:42.170 --> 0:05:45.250 or service. But what are we talking about when we're 0:05:45.250 --> 0:05:46.890 talking about a Passover Seder? 0:05:48.210 --> 0:05:51.410 Well, as we go through the Seder, it's the story 0:05:51.450 --> 0:05:55.539 actually found in Genesis. I'm sorry. Exodus chapter 12. When 0:05:55.580 --> 0:05:59.539 God brought our people out of Egypt and they sacrificed 0:05:59.540 --> 0:06:02.620 the blood of the lamb and that lamb, that blood, 0:06:02.620 --> 0:06:05.660 was to redeem them from the slavery of Egypt. So 0:06:05.660 --> 0:06:09.979 when we go through this story, almost all the elements 0:06:09.980 --> 0:06:13.940 are a picture, really, of that redemption that we've fulfilled 0:06:13.940 --> 0:06:17.820 in Yeshua, the Messiah. So it's but now a lot 0:06:17.820 --> 0:06:22.180 of times the Gentiles. non-Jewish people ask me why they 0:06:22.180 --> 0:06:25.219 should be doing it, and I really enjoy that when 0:06:25.220 --> 0:06:28.500 they ask that, because it's so not just meaningful for me, 0:06:28.900 --> 0:06:32.540 but I tell non-Jewish people that they should be celebrating 0:06:32.540 --> 0:06:35.660 the Passover for a number of reasons. Actually, I give 0:06:35.700 --> 0:06:37.460 a very short if I can, Mike, just a couple 0:06:37.460 --> 0:06:40.260 of reasons. One is that it's going to be a 0:06:40.260 --> 0:06:44.300 blessing to you. As promised in Genesis chapter 12, verse three, 0:06:44.580 --> 0:06:46.380 I will bless those who bless you, and I will 0:06:46.380 --> 0:06:49.460 curse those who curse you. And the non-Jewish people should 0:06:49.460 --> 0:06:53.470 realize that The Passover comes about because somebody tried to 0:06:53.510 --> 0:06:58.790 curse our people. Pharaoh tried it. And I sometimes joke 0:06:58.830 --> 0:07:01.830 about it that Pharaoh tried it. And then Haman tried 0:07:01.830 --> 0:07:05.109 it and Antiochus tried it. And I said, so now 0:07:05.110 --> 0:07:07.750 we have enough Jewish holidays. Now it's time to just 0:07:07.750 --> 0:07:10.430 bless our people. But there was a great blessing for 0:07:10.430 --> 0:07:13.710 them to realize it all came about because someone actually 0:07:13.710 --> 0:07:17.550 tried to curse our people. But also in first Corinthians 0:07:17.550 --> 0:07:22.030 chapter five, the Apostle Paul applies his holiday to non-Jewish 0:07:22.030 --> 0:07:25.230 people as well, and where he brings out the idea 0:07:25.230 --> 0:07:28.750 of leaven being evil and malice and wickedness. He says 0:07:28.750 --> 0:07:31.670 to clean out your life. So in some sense, where 0:07:31.710 --> 0:07:35.230 Jewish people would clean out the leaven, Gentile people, non-Jewish 0:07:35.230 --> 0:07:38.990 people should also search out when they become believers to 0:07:39.030 --> 0:07:42.070 change their life and clean up their life. And also 0:07:42.070 --> 0:07:46.550 I tell them finally in Luke chapter 22, that they 0:07:46.550 --> 0:07:49.190 should know that when they take the Lord's Supper, they're 0:07:49.190 --> 0:07:52.720 really taking a miniature Passover feast. Yeah. It proclaims the 0:07:52.720 --> 0:07:53.520 death of Messiah. 0:07:53.520 --> 0:07:57.000 So every time they have a Lord's Supper, they're celebrating Passover. 0:07:57.000 --> 0:08:01.840 In a sense, right? Yeah. Right now. But the ceremonial meal, 0:08:01.840 --> 0:08:05.000 the Seder, I think is interesting because there's a book 0:08:05.000 --> 0:08:07.720 that goes with the ceremonial meal, the Haggadah, which has 0:08:07.720 --> 0:08:13.960 all the traditions. And there's a plate that has that. 0:08:13.960 --> 0:08:16.160 The book kind of follows what's on this plate, and 0:08:16.160 --> 0:08:20.640 there's these ceremonial objects that before we ever eat any food, 0:08:20.680 --> 0:08:26.600 we're eating and interacting about these different ceremonial foods on 0:08:26.600 --> 0:08:30.600 the Seder plate. And, uh, and so let's talk about 0:08:30.640 --> 0:08:33.319 one of the elements on the Seder plate that you're 0:08:33.320 --> 0:08:37.280 going to find. And I think that this is really 0:08:37.280 --> 0:08:43.880 crucial because it seems like such a inconsequential bit of food. 0:08:43.880 --> 0:08:48.120 It's called parsley. Why is there parsley on on a 0:08:48.120 --> 0:08:48.970 On a Seder plate. 0:08:49.730 --> 0:08:51.410 Well, I do want to mention that you're going to 0:08:51.410 --> 0:08:53.770 mention a number that in this book they have some 0:08:53.770 --> 0:08:56.810 great chapters, but also one of the chapters takes them 0:08:56.809 --> 0:09:00.089 through the whole Passover Seder themselves. Yeah. So they if 0:09:00.090 --> 0:09:02.330 they get this book, they'll be able to follow the 0:09:02.330 --> 0:09:05.929 whole Seder. But the party is really interesting because it's 0:09:05.970 --> 0:09:09.610 a sponge like plant that it represents a sponge like 0:09:09.610 --> 0:09:14.170 plant called hyssop from the ancient biblical times, the hyssop. 0:09:14.370 --> 0:09:16.530 And it was like a sponge like plant that when 0:09:16.530 --> 0:09:20.050 the Jewish people would sacrifice the lamb and shed the 0:09:20.050 --> 0:09:22.209 blood and put it in a bowl, they would dip 0:09:22.210 --> 0:09:25.130 this sponge like plant in the blood and place it 0:09:25.130 --> 0:09:27.690 on the doorposts in the upper portion of the door, 0:09:27.929 --> 0:09:30.370 so that when the angel of death came, they would 0:09:30.370 --> 0:09:32.770 see the blood they put on the door, and they 0:09:32.770 --> 0:09:35.170 would pass over that person's house, and they would pass 0:09:35.170 --> 0:09:39.490 from death into life. When Jewish people today take that, 0:09:39.809 --> 0:09:42.489 they explained it in a number of different ways because 0:09:42.490 --> 0:09:45.730 they would say, first, it's green, which represents the green 0:09:45.770 --> 0:09:48.940 of springtime when God brought forth our Jewish people out 0:09:48.940 --> 0:09:51.900 of slavery, out of Egypt, and set them free, but 0:09:51.900 --> 0:09:55.100 also they dip it in a saltwater solution and they 0:09:55.100 --> 0:09:57.380 dip it twice, once just to remind us of the 0:09:57.380 --> 0:10:01.540 tears of our forefathers in Egypt. And second, they dip 0:10:01.620 --> 0:10:04.460 a second time to remind, remind themselves that they went 0:10:04.460 --> 0:10:07.300 through the Red sea, which was also salty. And so 0:10:07.300 --> 0:10:10.260 it's very, very symbolic of the events that took place. 0:10:10.460 --> 0:10:13.540 But even finally, what where Jewish people are supposed to 0:10:13.540 --> 0:10:16.100 remember is what I said before, that it's a dipping 0:10:16.100 --> 0:10:18.819 in the blood of the Passover lamb and which would 0:10:18.820 --> 0:10:22.220 cover them, and they would. I don't think they fully 0:10:22.220 --> 0:10:24.980 understood back in Moses time what they were doing, but 0:10:24.980 --> 0:10:27.860 they did it by faith. And today, when we accept 0:10:27.900 --> 0:10:31.180 Yeshua Jesus as our Messiah, it's as if we've taken 0:10:31.179 --> 0:10:34.660 that parsley, dipped it in the blood of Messiah, and 0:10:34.660 --> 0:10:38.020 he covers us with his death, his blood, and that 0:10:38.020 --> 0:10:39.540 we passed from death into life. 0:10:39.700 --> 0:10:43.980 Yeah. You know, the Seder plate has so many wonderful 0:10:44.660 --> 0:10:47.189 pictures that we need to talk about in just a moment. 0:10:47.190 --> 0:10:49.270 So what we're going to do is we're going to 0:10:49.270 --> 0:10:52.390 take a little break here, uh, and we're going to 0:10:52.390 --> 0:10:54.590 come back in a moment to talk to Larry Feldman 0:10:54.630 --> 0:10:58.270 about other elements on the the Passover Seder plate. You're 0:10:58.270 --> 0:11:01.230 listening to a special Passover edition of Open Line with me, 0:11:01.270 --> 0:11:05.150 Michael Ray Dolnick, and my guest, Larry Feldman. Stay right there. 0:11:05.190 --> 0:11:08.189 We'll be back in a moment to talk more about Passover. 0:11:17.990 --> 0:11:20.390 Have you ever wondered how we got the Bible? 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He leads Congregation Shuva Yisrael in Irvine, California. 0:12:14.360 --> 0:12:17.480 He also is the Western regional director for Chosen People Ministries, 0:12:17.640 --> 0:12:22.040 and he is also my very good friend. Remember, you 0:12:22.040 --> 0:12:24.560 can stay in touch with Open Line every day with 0:12:24.559 --> 0:12:30.599 our website Open Line Radio.com when you go there Openlibrary.org. 0:12:30.600 --> 0:12:32.640 It has links to everything you might need from us, 0:12:32.640 --> 0:12:34.719 whether you want to send an email or if you 0:12:34.720 --> 0:12:37.960 want to go on Facebook and interact with us there. 0:12:38.000 --> 0:12:40.960 It also has past programs. It's got other important links. 0:12:40.960 --> 0:12:44.610 So remember go to Open Line Openline radio org. Well, Larry, 0:12:44.650 --> 0:12:48.850 let's let's, uh, pick it up. We're talking about the 0:12:48.890 --> 0:12:52.450 Seder or the service plate. The Seder plate that has 0:12:52.450 --> 0:12:57.410 different elements on it. We've talked about parsley, but I 0:12:57.450 --> 0:13:01.730 find in my life the most significant element on the 0:13:01.770 --> 0:13:05.610 Seder plate is a shank bone of a lamb. And 0:13:05.610 --> 0:13:08.370 that's interesting to me because I come from a tradition 0:13:08.370 --> 0:13:12.569 in my family where we never ate lamb for Passover, 0:13:12.610 --> 0:13:14.969 even though that was the biblical food that we were 0:13:14.970 --> 0:13:17.770 supposed to eat. Since the destruction of the temple, many 0:13:17.770 --> 0:13:22.450 Jewish people don't eat lamb at Passover, but we have 0:13:22.809 --> 0:13:25.410 the the shank bone of a lamb on the Seder 0:13:25.410 --> 0:13:27.570 plate to make us think of the lamb. What's up 0:13:27.570 --> 0:13:28.130 with that? 0:13:29.170 --> 0:13:33.130 Well, we we as well, like you in our tradition, 0:13:33.130 --> 0:13:36.290 we did not eat lamb. It is taken from the 0:13:36.290 --> 0:13:40.209 command in Exodus chapter 12. We see it also in 0:13:40.210 --> 0:13:44.620 Deuteronomy chapter 16, where Moses tells the Jewish people on 0:13:44.620 --> 0:13:48.020 a certain day of the month they shall take the lamb, 0:13:48.260 --> 0:13:51.260 and they shall sacrifice it. And so and then they 0:13:51.260 --> 0:13:54.580 shall eat the whole lamb that night at Passover. So 0:13:54.620 --> 0:14:00.059 today we traditionally our families would go to the butcher 0:14:00.620 --> 0:14:03.340 and get a shank bone of a lamb, and we 0:14:03.340 --> 0:14:06.420 would have that on our plate. And the father would 0:14:06.420 --> 0:14:09.900 traditionally hold up that lamb, and he would say that 0:14:09.900 --> 0:14:12.699 we don't have a lamb today. We don't have the 0:14:12.700 --> 0:14:17.099 sacrifice anymore. All we have left of the ancient sacrifice 0:14:17.140 --> 0:14:21.940 is this shankbone. And so, symbolically, the shankbone is supposed 0:14:21.940 --> 0:14:26.940 to represent the lamb that was slain at Passover. And 0:14:26.940 --> 0:14:29.500 so where they would say the shankbone is symbolic of 0:14:29.500 --> 0:14:32.780 the Lamb of Passover, we would say that the Messiah, 0:14:32.820 --> 0:14:36.300 that that lamb, Passover, was symbolic of the Messiah yet 0:14:36.300 --> 0:14:36.820 to come. 0:14:37.580 --> 0:14:42.830 Yeah. And even more significantly, when we celebrate Passover, we 0:14:42.870 --> 0:14:45.710 hold up the shankbone of the lamb, and we're reminded 0:14:45.710 --> 0:14:50.470 of what John said. Yochanan, John the Baptist, the Immerser, said, 0:14:50.470 --> 0:14:54.310 when when he saw Yeshua coming to be immersed, he said, 0:14:54.350 --> 0:14:57.510 Behold the Lamb of God, who takes away the sin 0:14:57.550 --> 0:15:02.350 of the world. That lamb was spotless, had no fault 0:15:02.350 --> 0:15:09.390 or blemish. Yeshua was sinless. That lamb was slain and 0:15:09.390 --> 0:15:12.790 so was the Messiah, Jesus slain on our behalf. And 0:15:12.790 --> 0:15:17.630 just as God passed over the the, the, the, the, 0:15:17.910 --> 0:15:20.950 the sentence of death on the firstborn, on those homes 0:15:20.950 --> 0:15:23.630 that had the blood of the Passover lamb on their doorposts. 0:15:23.630 --> 0:15:26.870 So when we apply the blood of Messiah Yeshua to 0:15:26.910 --> 0:15:30.470 the doorposts of our heart, God passes over judgment on us. 0:15:31.030 --> 0:15:34.990 It is a wonderful picture of what Paul says that Messiah, 0:15:34.990 --> 0:15:38.510 our Passover, has been sacrificed for us. It is, I 0:15:38.510 --> 0:15:41.120 think that's the. Wouldn't you say that that is the 0:15:41.120 --> 0:15:43.720 most crucial part of the. 0:15:43.760 --> 0:15:46.960 I would say. Yeah. I see, I happen to be 0:15:46.960 --> 0:15:49.240 an evangelist and I love sharing the good news of 0:15:49.240 --> 0:15:53.080 the Messiah. And so I love the whole Passover meal, 0:15:53.120 --> 0:15:55.560 but I love when we do get to that shankbone. 0:15:55.840 --> 0:15:58.400 And I'm able to focus in on the importance of 0:15:58.400 --> 0:16:01.880 the sacrifice. And as you said, I love holding it 0:16:01.880 --> 0:16:05.440 up very high and showing the people that when John 0:16:05.480 --> 0:16:09.880 Yohannan walked and he saw the Messiah, he pointed to him, 0:16:10.200 --> 0:16:13.360 and I hold up that shankbone and said, behold, the 0:16:13.360 --> 0:16:16.360 Lamb of God, who takes away the sin of the world. 0:16:16.760 --> 0:16:19.640 It all points to our Messiah Yeshua. That's the beauty 0:16:19.640 --> 0:16:22.720 of this whole holiday, and that Shankbone is the centerpiece 0:16:22.720 --> 0:16:23.200 of it. 0:16:23.840 --> 0:16:25.600 And, you know, there's a couple of other things on 0:16:25.600 --> 0:16:29.160 the Seder plate that that are significant. There's salt water 0:16:29.160 --> 0:16:36.280 and there's horseradish or bitter herb. Uh, and it's become 0:16:36.280 --> 0:16:38.530 almost a little bit of a joke at seders, you know. 0:16:38.570 --> 0:16:40.250 How hot is the horseradish? And. 0:16:40.290 --> 0:16:40.490 Right. 0:16:40.530 --> 0:16:43.050 And. Right. And oh, if it gets really hot, people 0:16:43.050 --> 0:16:46.170 run up and down. I once led a Seder at 0:16:46.170 --> 0:16:48.650 my home, and I had a student at Moody, and 0:16:48.650 --> 0:16:50.370 when he took some of the horseradish, we had some 0:16:50.370 --> 0:16:53.530 of the hottest horseradish that year that I've ever had. 0:16:54.050 --> 0:16:56.530 And he couldn't breathe. He ran out of the house. 0:16:56.890 --> 0:16:59.850 He was choking it up. And, you know, that's kind 0:16:59.890 --> 0:17:03.770 of funny, but there's a very serious part of having horseradish. 0:17:04.090 --> 0:17:05.330 What's the point of that? 0:17:05.890 --> 0:17:09.610 Well, you know, it's funny, because if the horseradish isn't 0:17:09.609 --> 0:17:12.650 strong to make you cough. And I joke, I said 0:17:12.690 --> 0:17:14.970 it's for a few reasons that we take it, but 0:17:14.970 --> 0:17:16.530 one of the reasons I say is to clear out 0:17:16.530 --> 0:17:20.409 our sinuses. But if it's not really, really strong, I 0:17:20.410 --> 0:17:22.610 don't really feel like we've had a good Passover. 0:17:22.650 --> 0:17:25.330 Yeah, it's got to be strong. Yeah. What's that? It's 0:17:25.330 --> 0:17:26.650 got to be strong. Yeah. 0:17:26.970 --> 0:17:29.450 Very, very strong. So you can really feel part of it. 0:17:29.450 --> 0:17:32.450 But the idea is that it's supposed to remind us 0:17:32.450 --> 0:17:35.770 of the tears and the suffering of our people in slavery, 0:17:36.060 --> 0:17:40.060 and it's supposed to remind us of the bricks and 0:17:40.060 --> 0:17:42.620 the mortar and the. And the what? They were working 0:17:42.900 --> 0:17:45.899 for the Egyptians by slavery. And so it's supposed to 0:17:45.900 --> 0:17:49.699 remind us of the harsh bitterness of slavery in Egypt. 0:17:50.300 --> 0:17:52.980 Yeah. That's the it is supposed to bring tears to 0:17:52.980 --> 0:17:54.940 our eyes, which is why we also have salt water. 0:17:54.940 --> 0:17:57.220 We dip the parsley in the salt water because it 0:17:57.220 --> 0:18:00.180 reminds us our lives were immersed in tears when we 0:18:00.180 --> 0:18:02.740 eat the horseradish, to remind us of the bitterness and 0:18:02.740 --> 0:18:06.660 the tears of of slavery. But there's another element. It's 0:18:06.660 --> 0:18:12.460 called charoset. And charoset is a mixture of apples and 0:18:12.460 --> 0:18:17.260 nuts and honey and wine, and it's all mixed together 0:18:17.260 --> 0:18:22.300 into sort of a pasty consistency. And the apples are 0:18:22.300 --> 0:18:27.139 obviously are graded and, and it's called charoset, which means mortar. 0:18:27.540 --> 0:18:32.620 And obviously that fers to the mortar with which we 0:18:32.619 --> 0:18:34.300 built bricks when we were in Egypt. And there's a 0:18:34.300 --> 0:18:35.669 certain point in the Seder, we take it off the 0:18:35.670 --> 0:18:37.870 Seder plate and we eat it, and we actually eat 0:18:37.869 --> 0:18:42.350 it on top of horseradish. I think that's a great picture, 0:18:42.390 --> 0:18:42.990 don't you? 0:18:43.910 --> 0:18:47.750 Yes, I do. I love doing that part because the 0:18:47.750 --> 0:18:50.790 people usually when I'm doing the Seder, first they have 0:18:50.790 --> 0:18:54.510 the bitter herbs, the horseradish, and they're choking. And then 0:18:54.510 --> 0:18:56.830 I say, now I'm going to give you another mixture. 0:18:57.030 --> 0:18:59.189 And I know they don't trust me or believe me. 0:18:59.430 --> 0:19:02.030 And so we mix it together with the horseradish, and 0:19:02.030 --> 0:19:04.950 I try to assure them it'll be okay. The apples 0:19:04.950 --> 0:19:08.550 do help us. And I love the idea that almost 0:19:08.550 --> 0:19:12.430 everything we do in the Seder, it's God doing repetition 0:19:12.430 --> 0:19:15.910 all the time, reminding us of different things. And so here, 0:19:16.109 --> 0:19:19.750 as we dip it in the sweet, uh charoset, we 0:19:19.750 --> 0:19:22.270 remind ourselves that in the midst of our suffering, in 0:19:22.270 --> 0:19:25.750 the midst of our slavery and remembering the the bad, 0:19:25.950 --> 0:19:28.590 we also remember that it was sweetened with the hope 0:19:28.590 --> 0:19:30.710 of freedom that comes with Messiah. 0:19:30.910 --> 0:19:35.240 Mhm. Yeah. It shows how the sweetness of redemption overpowers 0:19:35.240 --> 0:19:38.400 the bitterness of slavery. And the same way we put 0:19:38.400 --> 0:19:41.480 the sweet on top of the horseradish, the sweet rosette, 0:19:41.520 --> 0:19:43.920 even though it represents something that was so bitter, which 0:19:43.920 --> 0:19:46.800 was the mortar with which we built bricks, even though 0:19:46.800 --> 0:19:49.600 it represents that, it shows how the sweetness of God's 0:19:49.600 --> 0:19:52.719 redemption overpowers the bitterness. And so, you know, a lot 0:19:52.760 --> 0:19:54.960 of times believers will say, oh, my life was better. 0:19:54.960 --> 0:19:57.040 Before I knew the Lord, I didn't have any restraints, 0:19:57.040 --> 0:19:59.960 I didn't. I could do whatever I wanted. I, you know, 0:20:00.240 --> 0:20:05.399 moral freedom. No, no, no, that was slavery. And and 0:20:05.400 --> 0:20:08.120 we don't want to go back to the tears. And instead, 0:20:08.119 --> 0:20:12.720 we want to celebrate the sweetness of redemption. That Messiah's 0:20:13.280 --> 0:20:16.320 sweetness that that he's turned our. He's brought us from 0:20:16.320 --> 0:20:19.320 the kingdom of darkness into the kingdom of his beloved son. 0:20:19.359 --> 0:20:22.200 That's what God has done for us. So yeah, that's 0:20:22.560 --> 0:20:25.040 I think that's a wonderful picture. But, you know, okay, 0:20:25.040 --> 0:20:27.239 I want to shift here for a moment off the 0:20:27.280 --> 0:20:31.930 Seder plate, and let's talk about what most people think 0:20:32.090 --> 0:20:36.770 when they think of Passover, which is matzah. You know, 0:20:36.970 --> 0:20:41.410 some someone once said, oh, you revel in in celebrating Passover. 0:20:41.410 --> 0:20:43.649 And I thought, revel. And they said, yeah, you probably 0:20:43.650 --> 0:20:46.369 sit in a room going, matzo, matzo, matzo. No, no. 0:20:48.010 --> 0:20:52.890 But I do love celebrating Passover. But matzo is like 0:20:52.930 --> 0:20:57.090 a dry, crusty cracker. Right. So what is it? Talk 0:20:57.130 --> 0:20:58.090 about that, Larry. 0:20:59.130 --> 0:21:02.570 Well, um. Well, talk about the matzo. I it's another 0:21:02.570 --> 0:21:04.649 part of this. I just love the whole Seder and 0:21:04.650 --> 0:21:07.090 everything about it. But when I get to the matzo, 0:21:07.130 --> 0:21:10.250 I really, really do like to preach the good news 0:21:10.250 --> 0:21:13.050 of our Messiah because of the picture of the matzo. 0:21:13.290 --> 0:21:16.410 And I have everyone look at that matzo, which when 0:21:16.410 --> 0:21:16.929 we know. 0:21:17.170 --> 0:21:19.930 Well, let me just say, Larry, matzo is unleavened bread. 0:21:19.970 --> 0:21:22.690 It is like a cracker, but it's unleavened bread. Yeah. 0:21:22.690 --> 0:21:23.290 So go ahead. 0:21:23.330 --> 0:21:23.850 You're right. 0:21:23.930 --> 0:21:26.530 It's unleavened bread. And so when you look at it, 0:21:26.730 --> 0:21:29.369 first of all, you notice a few things I tell people. 0:21:29.369 --> 0:21:32.660 One is it's it's until 11, which is 11, was 0:21:32.660 --> 0:21:35.179 a symbol of sin. So the masa is a picture 0:21:35.180 --> 0:21:38.820 of our Messiah who had no sin. But also when 0:21:38.820 --> 0:21:41.820 we look at that masa, we see their stripe marks 0:21:41.820 --> 0:21:45.140 on it. And then there's two major things. We see 0:21:45.140 --> 0:21:49.780 their stripe marks and there's pierce marks. And this is 0:21:49.780 --> 0:21:52.859 a picture of our Messiah. And I, I remind the 0:21:52.859 --> 0:21:56.419 people that we see this in the Scripture in a 0:21:56.420 --> 0:22:02.180 few different places specifically, and in Psalm 22, which speaks 0:22:02.180 --> 0:22:05.899 about the death of our Messiah. It says that they 0:22:05.900 --> 0:22:09.180 pierced my hands and my feet, and we hold up 0:22:09.180 --> 0:22:12.460 that masa. And you see those pierce marks? I remind 0:22:12.460 --> 0:22:16.260 them that in Isaiah chapter 53 it said he would 0:22:16.260 --> 0:22:19.340 be despised and forsaken of men, a man of sorrows 0:22:19.380 --> 0:22:22.020 and acquainted with grief. And it goes on to say 0:22:22.020 --> 0:22:26.300 that that he would be pierced through for our transgressions, 0:22:26.460 --> 0:22:29.670 he'd be crushed for our iniquities. And I'm holding that 0:22:29.670 --> 0:22:33.350 masa up, showing them it's such a picture of our Messiah. 0:22:33.630 --> 0:22:36.070 And then finally, the last verse I always love to 0:22:36.109 --> 0:22:40.830 quote is in Zechariah chapter 12, when the Lord returns 0:22:40.830 --> 0:22:42.390 and God says, I will pour out on the house 0:22:42.390 --> 0:22:45.669 of David and the inhabitants of Jerusalem the spirit of 0:22:45.670 --> 0:22:49.070 grace and supplication, so they shall look upon me whom 0:22:49.070 --> 0:22:52.110 they have pierced, and they shall mourn for him, as 0:22:52.109 --> 0:22:55.150 one mourns for an only son. So this masa is 0:22:55.150 --> 0:22:58.430 such a great picture of our Messiah, and I look 0:22:58.430 --> 0:23:01.630 for every opportunity to take out the Bible verses and 0:23:01.630 --> 0:23:03.550 share the good news of our Messiah. 0:23:03.590 --> 0:23:05.510 Yeah. So we look at a piece of masa and 0:23:05.510 --> 0:23:09.190 we see the stripes. We're reminded of Isaiah 53 that 0:23:09.230 --> 0:23:12.550 by his stripes we are healed, the stripes of a 0:23:12.550 --> 0:23:15.230 Roman whip. And when it talks about he was pierced 0:23:15.270 --> 0:23:18.949 through for our iniquities. That's the piercings of Roman nails 0:23:18.950 --> 0:23:23.270 and a Roman spear. Uh, and and the, the bumpiness 0:23:23.270 --> 0:23:28.720 of it. The bruises that were were given to our Messiah. 0:23:30.760 --> 0:23:34.440 What a picture. You know, and I love to tell 0:23:34.480 --> 0:23:37.479 people that. And we're going to talk a little bit 0:23:37.480 --> 0:23:41.960 more about the Lord's Supper. But symbols have meaning. And 0:23:41.960 --> 0:23:44.679 when when Yeshua held up matzah and said, this is 0:23:44.680 --> 0:23:48.040 my body, it wasn't some random piece of bread. He 0:23:48.040 --> 0:23:51.520 wasn't picking up a piece of Italian loaf bread. He 0:23:51.520 --> 0:23:55.280 was picking up a piece of matzo because of this symbolism. 0:23:55.280 --> 0:23:57.040 Don't you think that's why he chose that? 0:23:57.880 --> 0:24:02.960 Yeah, definitely. We see God always has symbols throughout all 0:24:02.960 --> 0:24:06.720 the scriptures with the prophets. And so these the mass 0:24:06.760 --> 0:24:11.200 is just such a perfect picture of our Messiah. And being, 0:24:11.480 --> 0:24:16.119 like you said, bruised and pierced. There's such a great verses, 0:24:16.119 --> 0:24:19.120 as I just read in Isaiah and Zechariah, he would 0:24:19.119 --> 0:24:22.119 be pierced. And so it's very moving during the Seder 0:24:22.119 --> 0:24:24.679 to actually hold up that matzo and show the stripe 0:24:24.720 --> 0:24:28.090 marks that we see in Isaiah 53 and see those 0:24:28.090 --> 0:24:31.890 pierced marks and pointing everyone to our Messiah. People really 0:24:31.890 --> 0:24:34.810 get moved and see the true meaning of Passover, even 0:24:34.810 --> 0:24:35.730 through the matzah. 0:24:35.770 --> 0:24:38.450 Yeah, the matzah is it's very, very significant. We're going 0:24:38.490 --> 0:24:40.930 to talk about the very important piece of matzo called 0:24:40.930 --> 0:24:43.690 the afikomen when I'm back with Larry Feldman. This is Michael, 0:24:43.690 --> 0:24:47.010 right on open line. Stay with us. We'll be right back. 0:24:51.770 --> 0:24:55.609 Jewish people will complete our annual Passover observance this weekend. 0:24:56.090 --> 0:24:59.530 This festival is such a meaningful celebration of redemption to 0:24:59.570 --> 0:25:02.850 help us learn the rich significance of this holiday. Chosen 0:25:02.850 --> 0:25:06.330 People Ministries, one of our partners, is offering a free booklet, 0:25:06.530 --> 0:25:10.770 Passover A time for redemption. 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Welcome back 0:26:40.230 --> 0:26:43.430 to Open Line with me, Doctor Michael Riedel. And this 0:26:43.430 --> 0:26:46.350 is a special holiday weekend edition of Open Line. My 0:26:46.390 --> 0:26:51.149 guest is long time Chosen People Ministries Bible teacher Larry Feldman, 0:26:51.310 --> 0:26:54.990 and he is also my longtime friend. We became friends. 0:26:54.990 --> 0:27:00.230 We met actually, oh, I don't know about 1975 or 6, 0:27:00.230 --> 0:27:04.350 but then went to seminary together starting in 1979 and 0:27:04.350 --> 0:27:07.830 became great friends right that year in seminary and have 0:27:07.830 --> 0:27:11.550 remained gotten just closer and closer all through these years. 0:27:12.070 --> 0:27:15.670 I was just joking, Larry, that you are the person 0:27:16.510 --> 0:27:23.160 whom I consider to have the the most broad, holistic 0:27:23.160 --> 0:27:27.919 knowledge of Scripture. And that's because you read the Bible 0:27:28.080 --> 0:27:33.680 every day and you said it's because you are obsessive. Right. 0:27:36.000 --> 0:27:38.679 But you know what? I think the Lord uses that. 0:27:38.680 --> 0:27:41.719 I wish I had that kind of obsession with reading 0:27:41.720 --> 0:27:45.600 scripture every day. And so that's what gives you that 0:27:45.640 --> 0:27:49.480 special ability. Okay, Larry, let's talk about the matzo tash. 0:27:49.520 --> 0:27:53.040 That means the matzo bag. There's a of all the 0:27:53.040 --> 0:27:56.360 different things on the ceremonial table for Passover. There's this 0:27:56.400 --> 0:27:59.600 kind of bag that has three compartments, and it's called 0:27:59.600 --> 0:28:02.200 a moustache, Tash. And it's got a piece of matzo 0:28:02.200 --> 0:28:08.199 in each of the compartments. Now, the rabbis say it's 0:28:08.240 --> 0:28:12.280 represents either Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, or perhaps it represents 0:28:12.280 --> 0:28:15.920 the three categories of Jewish people priests, Levites and laymen, 0:28:15.960 --> 0:28:20.970 the Israelites. But Messianic Jews, we give it a special meaning, 0:28:20.970 --> 0:28:21.450 don't we? 0:28:22.290 --> 0:28:24.450 We do. We give it a special meaning. And I 0:28:24.490 --> 0:28:28.050 like to share with people that most Jewish people don't 0:28:28.050 --> 0:28:31.010 really know the three categories that you just said. And 0:28:31.010 --> 0:28:32.930 so a lot of times when I'm sharing with you people, 0:28:32.930 --> 0:28:36.970 I mentioned that that among our Jewish people, there's various 0:28:36.970 --> 0:28:39.890 traditions of what it means, and they're not clear on 0:28:39.890 --> 0:28:42.370 what it means, whether it's Abraham, Isaac and Jacob or 0:28:42.370 --> 0:28:45.410 the priests, the Levites and all the Jewish people. But 0:28:45.410 --> 0:28:48.130 I say it's a very, very interesting thing that where 0:28:48.130 --> 0:28:51.850 there's three of them, they're not allowed. When they come 0:28:51.850 --> 0:28:55.370 to this ceremony, they're not allowed to take out the 0:28:55.370 --> 0:28:59.210 top matzo, which there's three, and they have to take 0:28:59.210 --> 0:29:01.330 out one, and they're not allowed to take out the 0:29:01.330 --> 0:29:06.010 bottom one. So in a very dramatic ceremony, the father 0:29:06.010 --> 0:29:09.530 takes out the middle piece of matzo. He breaks it 0:29:10.130 --> 0:29:12.410 and he holds it up high. He wraps it in 0:29:12.410 --> 0:29:17.410 a linen cloth and he buries it. And interestingly enough, 0:29:17.570 --> 0:29:21.660 it comes back where was resurrected actually, at the end 0:29:21.660 --> 0:29:24.900 of the meal, during the third cup of redemption, in 0:29:24.900 --> 0:29:27.420 which our Messiah said that that was the new covenant 0:29:27.420 --> 0:29:30.460 in his blood. But as they break this metal matzo 0:29:30.460 --> 0:29:34.020 and he wraps it up, we realize probably over the years, 0:29:34.020 --> 0:29:37.540 rabbis had added things to the Seder, and probably in 0:29:37.540 --> 0:29:41.820 this instance, maybe the disciples and people way back put 0:29:41.820 --> 0:29:45.140 it into the Seder to remind themselves of the second 0:29:45.140 --> 0:29:48.020 person of the triune nature of God, the Messiah. And 0:29:48.020 --> 0:29:51.460 it has stayed as one of our Jewish traditions. So 0:29:51.460 --> 0:29:54.540 we think that the middle matzo is symbolic of the Messiah. 0:29:54.580 --> 0:29:57.660 The top one being the father and the middle one 0:29:57.660 --> 0:29:59.780 the son, and the bottom one, the Holy Spirit. 0:30:00.140 --> 0:30:03.860 You know, the founder of Chosen People Ministries, Rabbi Leopold Cohen, 0:30:03.860 --> 0:30:06.660 who came to the Lord when he came looking for 0:30:06.660 --> 0:30:10.380 life and meaning in in the about 1890. He came 0:30:10.380 --> 0:30:13.340 to the Lord, and then he founded Chosen People in 1894. 0:30:13.340 --> 0:30:18.470 But his wife, Rose Cohen, she had. She couldn't believe 0:30:18.470 --> 0:30:21.750 that her husband, this rabbi, had come to faith in Yeshua, 0:30:21.750 --> 0:30:24.590 in Jesus. And it was at their Seder, and she 0:30:24.590 --> 0:30:27.710 had this real block against the triune nature of God. 0:30:27.710 --> 0:30:29.550 And it was at their Seder, he held up the 0:30:29.550 --> 0:30:32.390 matzo tash, the matzo bag, and he talked about it, 0:30:32.390 --> 0:30:36.660 representing 3 in 1 father, son, and Holy Spirit, 3 0:30:36.660 --> 0:30:39.870 in 1 right there. And it's just an object lesson. 0:30:40.270 --> 0:30:43.110 But that's what convinced Rose to put her trust in 0:30:43.110 --> 0:30:43.910 the Messiah. 0:30:44.110 --> 0:30:48.150 And so that's really the only explanation when you when 0:30:48.150 --> 0:30:50.550 you see it. And why the middle one? Why would 0:30:50.550 --> 0:30:54.590 anyone pull out the Levites? Why would anyone pull out? Well, Isaac, 0:30:54.590 --> 0:30:57.190 I can understand because there's a little picture of Messiah 0:30:57.390 --> 0:31:00.630 from Genesis, but they pull out the middle one, the sun, 0:31:00.790 --> 0:31:03.310 and he's broken. He's wrapped in a linen cloth. He 0:31:03.310 --> 0:31:06.390 is buried. That is a perfect picture of our Messiah. 0:31:06.590 --> 0:31:09.190 And that's probably the best explanation for it. 0:31:09.230 --> 0:31:13.950 Yeah. And particularly what the bringing it back, you know, 0:31:13.990 --> 0:31:19.520 at a at a regular Seder, A traditional Seder. It 0:31:19.520 --> 0:31:24.760 was said that in ancient times, the rabbis encouraged leaving 0:31:24.760 --> 0:31:26.920 a piece of the lamb that you ate like an 0:31:26.920 --> 0:31:30.320 olive sized piece, and keep it separate and make that 0:31:30.320 --> 0:31:34.000 the dessert. So after you've finished the whole meal, you 0:31:34.000 --> 0:31:37.240 ate the piece of lamb. Now, at the last Supper, 0:31:37.400 --> 0:31:41.040 the last Seder, I like to call it the Lord 0:31:41.720 --> 0:31:46.640 Jesus Yeshua. He took not a piece of lamb, but 0:31:46.640 --> 0:31:51.240 a piece of matzo. And he held it up and said, 0:31:51.480 --> 0:31:56.280 this is my body which is given for you. And 0:31:56.720 --> 0:31:59.800 I mean, obviously, we've talked about the symbolism of the matzo. 0:32:00.240 --> 0:32:05.320 What a perfect symbol of his body. Uh, and then 0:32:05.320 --> 0:32:08.840 he takes the third cup. There's four different cups at 0:32:08.840 --> 0:32:13.240 a Seder meal. The third cup is the cup of redemption. Uh, 0:32:13.240 --> 0:32:17.090 which reminds us of the blood that was poured out 0:32:17.090 --> 0:32:21.090 by the lamb and placed on the doorposts and bringing redemption. 0:32:21.090 --> 0:32:24.050 And so he takes the third cup and says, this 0:32:24.050 --> 0:32:27.770 is the new covenant in my blood. I mean, that 0:32:27.770 --> 0:32:30.650 is remarkable to me, but let's just focus on the 0:32:30.690 --> 0:32:36.170 piece of matzo that was broken, wrapped in linen, hidden away, 0:32:36.970 --> 0:32:42.090 brought back. And it is called the Afikomen. I am 0:32:42.090 --> 0:32:46.170 convinced that that tradition began with early Messianic Jews, and 0:32:46.170 --> 0:32:49.570 many Jewish study scholars agree with this, not just Jewish 0:32:49.650 --> 0:32:55.010 followers of Yeshua, but that early Messianic Jews started this 0:32:55.010 --> 0:32:57.610 tradition of taking the piece of matzo just like Yeshua 0:32:57.610 --> 0:33:01.050 had taught them. The the broken matzo, the little matzo 0:33:01.050 --> 0:33:03.770 wrapped in linen, bringing it back at the third cup. 0:33:04.290 --> 0:33:08.610 And they they would have that as their last piece of, 0:33:08.810 --> 0:33:11.770 of food that they ate to remind them of Messiah. 0:33:12.090 --> 0:33:14.780 And then this kind of found its way when the 0:33:14.820 --> 0:33:17.740 when there was no longer a Passover sacrifice. This piece 0:33:17.740 --> 0:33:20.780 of matzo, the wrapped, wrapped in linen and brought back. 0:33:20.820 --> 0:33:25.100 It became part of the traditional ceremony, which just remarkable, 0:33:25.300 --> 0:33:28.900 especially because what it's called, it's called the afikomen, which 0:33:28.900 --> 0:33:30.820 means Larry. 0:33:31.820 --> 0:33:36.340 Well, there's a couple definitions. One, one of the definitions 0:33:36.340 --> 0:33:38.820 is just as a dessert, but I think there's probably 0:33:38.820 --> 0:33:41.180 a tradition, a Greek tradition that means that I have come. 0:33:41.220 --> 0:33:42.060 Yeah. The one who has. 0:33:42.060 --> 0:33:43.060 Come have come back. 0:33:43.100 --> 0:33:43.540 That's the. 0:33:43.540 --> 0:33:44.660 Amazing thing. 0:33:44.980 --> 0:33:48.380 And I think what the beauty of this whole Seder 0:33:48.580 --> 0:33:50.740 and the beauty of what God does in the scripture, 0:33:50.780 --> 0:33:55.140 his repetition constantly to to get truth into us. He 0:33:55.300 --> 0:33:58.060 I believe Yeshua was there at that Seder, and he 0:33:58.060 --> 0:34:00.900 pointed to the lamb, and he said, This lamb is 0:34:00.900 --> 0:34:03.660 my body. And he says, when we take this, you're 0:34:03.660 --> 0:34:06.620 remembering me. And then at the end of the meal, 0:34:06.620 --> 0:34:10.060 when he takes that cup of redemption, he's basically saying 0:34:10.060 --> 0:34:12.670 that every time you take this cup, every time you 0:34:12.670 --> 0:34:16.590 take this Afikomen this dessert, it's me again. The body 0:34:16.590 --> 0:34:18.830 of Messiah, which is given for you. You don't have 0:34:18.830 --> 0:34:21.590 to wait once a year for Passover, but every time 0:34:21.590 --> 0:34:24.350 you take this cup and every time you take the bread, 0:34:24.390 --> 0:34:27.790 you are celebrating the Passover of Messiah. And that's what 0:34:27.790 --> 0:34:31.910 the beauty to tell non-Jewish people that they are remembering 0:34:31.910 --> 0:34:34.310 the Passover. That's the roots of it. And there's such 0:34:34.310 --> 0:34:37.790 beautiful roots to our faith. And so that when we 0:34:37.790 --> 0:34:41.590 take that matzah at the end, that dessert, we remember 0:34:41.590 --> 0:34:43.790 that he's come back and he's died for our sins, 0:34:43.790 --> 0:34:46.350 and he was resurrected so that we might have life. 0:34:46.390 --> 0:34:49.109 Yeah, it's a great picture of the resurrection. It's a 0:34:49.110 --> 0:34:52.950 great picture of Messiah's offering with that body and the 0:34:52.989 --> 0:34:55.470 cup of redemption. You know, what I think is interesting is, 0:34:55.790 --> 0:34:58.589 you know, different people in the past have gotten caught 0:34:58.590 --> 0:35:00.630 up in what does it mean? This is my body 0:35:00.630 --> 0:35:02.669 and this is the new covenant in my blood, and 0:35:02.670 --> 0:35:07.390 that some people actually believe that the matzah turns mystically, 0:35:07.390 --> 0:35:10.110 or the bread turns mystically to the body of Messiah, 0:35:10.840 --> 0:35:14.200 Or it turns the the cup turns mystically, the the 0:35:14.239 --> 0:35:19.239 wine turns mystically into his actual blood. But no one 0:35:19.239 --> 0:35:22.000 who has ever been to a Seder would think that. 0:35:22.520 --> 0:35:27.920 No, no. The. Yeah. The symbolism of the the lamb 0:35:28.080 --> 0:35:32.440 symbolic of the Messiah, the the the cup symbolic of 0:35:32.440 --> 0:35:35.840 the Messiah. It's a symbol that's trying to teach us something. 0:35:35.880 --> 0:35:39.720 The body was the Messiah, his body, and the third 0:35:39.719 --> 0:35:43.239 cup of redemption. Yeshua instituted this. And a lot of 0:35:43.239 --> 0:35:47.440 believers don't realize that the Lord's Supper was instituted at 0:35:47.440 --> 0:35:51.279 the Last Supper, with Yeshua reminding us that there would 0:35:51.280 --> 0:35:54.239 always be reminding us of Him and His death and 0:35:54.239 --> 0:35:54.880 his shed blood. 0:35:54.920 --> 0:35:56.920 Yeah, and so no one thinks when we hold up 0:35:56.920 --> 0:35:59.080 the salt water and say, these are our tears. No 0:35:59.080 --> 0:36:01.319 one thinks that they literally become tears. And so when 0:36:01.320 --> 0:36:04.239 we hold up the matzo or the cup, when we say, 0:36:04.239 --> 0:36:07.000 this is the Messiah's body and this is Messiah's blood, 0:36:07.000 --> 0:36:10.410 we're not saying it mystically becomes that which is saying 0:36:10.410 --> 0:36:13.330 this is a symbol of Messiah's body and a symbol 0:36:13.330 --> 0:36:16.050 of his blood. Well, I'll be back with Larry Feldman 0:36:16.050 --> 0:36:18.610 in just a moment to talk about the fourth Cup 0:36:18.610 --> 0:36:21.649 and other important parts of Passover. So don't go away. 0:36:21.690 --> 0:36:24.210 You're listening to a special Passover edition of Open Line 0:36:24.210 --> 0:36:27.610 with me, Michael. And my guest, Larry Feldman. Stay right there. 0:36:28.050 --> 0:36:37.089 We'll be right back. Open line is designed to take 0:36:37.090 --> 0:36:40.729 your questions and provide you with straightforward, honest answers from 0:36:40.730 --> 0:36:43.690 Scripture about the things that matter most. When you join 0:36:43.690 --> 0:36:46.489 our team of Kitchen Table Partners, your monthly gift will 0:36:46.489 --> 0:36:48.569 help us stay on the air to continue to share 0:36:48.570 --> 0:36:50.890 the truth of the Bible with those who need to 0:36:50.890 --> 0:36:54.010 hear it. Become a kitchen table partner by calling us 0:36:54.210 --> 0:37:01.450 at 886447122, or sign up online at Open Line radio.org. 0:37:08.260 --> 0:37:11.420 Welcome back to Open Line with me. Doctor Michael Ray Dolnick. 0:37:11.420 --> 0:37:15.540 And this is again a special Passover edition of Open Line. 0:37:15.540 --> 0:37:18.620 Next hour we're going to talk about the resurrection narratives. 0:37:18.620 --> 0:37:25.220 My guest this hour is Chosen People Ministries, Western regional director, leader, 0:37:25.380 --> 0:37:30.100 rabbi of congregation Shuva Israel, Larry Feldman. Larry, how do 0:37:30.100 --> 0:37:32.660 you keep all those things balanced? My goodness. 0:37:36.100 --> 0:37:39.140 It's sometimes not easy, but the Lord is good. 0:37:40.940 --> 0:37:43.899 Well, we're going to keep talking about the Passover. One 0:37:43.900 --> 0:37:46.060 of my the song. I think if people know one 0:37:46.060 --> 0:37:48.780 song from Passover, even if they're not raised in a 0:37:48.820 --> 0:37:52.939 Jewish home, it's the song Dayenu, which is just one 0:37:52.940 --> 0:37:56.500 word in Hebrew. Uh, so we sing it over and over. 0:37:56.500 --> 0:37:58.940 I'm not going to sing it for our listeners. Uh, 0:37:58.940 --> 0:38:01.340 nor will you. I know how you and I sound 0:38:01.340 --> 0:38:05.739 on the radio singing, but we sing dayenu and it goes, die, 0:38:05.780 --> 0:38:08.469 die die die die die die die, ya know? Over 0:38:08.469 --> 0:38:11.990 and over and over again. So long that I always say, uh. 0:38:12.390 --> 0:38:14.709 People are surprised. And that's the chorus. And then there's 0:38:14.710 --> 0:38:16.950 a verse, and then we sing it about 25 times. 0:38:16.989 --> 0:38:19.549 Dai dai dai dai dai inu. And I always say 0:38:19.590 --> 0:38:21.509 it's because when they find out what it means, it 0:38:21.510 --> 0:38:25.710 means enough already. So enough singing. But that's not really 0:38:25.710 --> 0:38:29.830 what it means. So. Uh, you love singing, don't you? 0:38:30.550 --> 0:38:33.629 I do, I love singing the song because it's just fun. 0:38:33.630 --> 0:38:35.470 And the kids get into it. And the parents, everyone 0:38:35.469 --> 0:38:38.790 gets into it. But the there is rich meaning in it, 0:38:38.790 --> 0:38:42.710 because throughout the whole song, it's really. If God just 0:38:42.710 --> 0:38:45.350 brought us out of Egypt, that would have been good. 0:38:45.390 --> 0:38:49.310 We're thankful if God just gave us his law, his word. Diana, 0:38:49.310 --> 0:38:51.390 that would have been enough if God just gave us 0:38:51.390 --> 0:38:54.670 the Sabbath. I know he does, but the whole idea 0:38:54.670 --> 0:38:57.710 of the song is he goes way beyond. God does 0:38:57.710 --> 0:39:00.950 way beyond what we ever ask or think. And so 0:39:00.989 --> 0:39:04.149 of all people who should be able to say dayenu, 0:39:04.710 --> 0:39:07.799 it's Its messianic believers, Jew and Gentile, who put their 0:39:07.800 --> 0:39:12.279 trust in Yeshua. If the Lord just saved us and 0:39:12.280 --> 0:39:16.759 took us home immediately, we decided to say Diana for 0:39:16.760 --> 0:39:19.680 all eternity. A lot of times I joke that when 0:39:19.680 --> 0:39:23.480 I'm in churches, usually a big scrappy man comes up 0:39:23.480 --> 0:39:26.040 and says, brother, I'm just praising the Lord. I woke 0:39:26.040 --> 0:39:27.759 up today and I look at him and go, you 0:39:27.760 --> 0:39:28.960 praise him more if you didn't. 0:39:29.239 --> 0:39:30.760 But aside from. 0:39:30.800 --> 0:39:33.480 That, that if he just took us on. But the 0:39:33.480 --> 0:39:35.560 promise in the scripture is I came to give you 0:39:35.600 --> 0:39:40.640 life and give it abundantly. At the beginning of our salvation, 0:39:41.000 --> 0:39:42.800 it would have been enough right there. But he goes 0:39:42.800 --> 0:39:45.960 on to give us a whole great life of faith 0:39:45.960 --> 0:39:48.799 in him and a changed life. So it's a tremendous 0:39:48.800 --> 0:39:51.160 blessing for us. The idea of Diana. 0:39:51.200 --> 0:39:52.840 Yeah. You know, it would have been enough had he 0:39:52.880 --> 0:39:55.440 saved us. But he's given us the abundant life. It 0:39:55.440 --> 0:39:57.880 would have been enough had he gave us abundant life. 0:39:58.080 --> 0:40:01.200 But he also gave us the Holy Spirit to indwell us. 0:40:01.239 --> 0:40:02.680 It would have been enough had he given us the 0:40:02.680 --> 0:40:05.330 Holy Spirit. But he's given us gifts to serve him with. 0:40:05.370 --> 0:40:07.009 It would have been enough to give his gifts to 0:40:07.050 --> 0:40:08.890 serve him with, and it would have been all for, 0:40:08.930 --> 0:40:12.690 you know, we were unworthy servants. But he promises us 0:40:12.890 --> 0:40:16.089 rewards if we'll serve him faithfully. I mean, every time 0:40:16.090 --> 0:40:18.890 we think God has done enough and we want to say, Diana, 0:40:18.890 --> 0:40:22.210 what does he do? He gives us abundantly far more 0:40:22.370 --> 0:40:23.650 than we ever asked. 0:40:23.930 --> 0:40:24.570 Well, Michael. 0:40:24.850 --> 0:40:28.250 Um, when I say Diana, I tell people also that 0:40:28.250 --> 0:40:31.450 when I first became a believer, when we first become believers, 0:40:31.450 --> 0:40:34.210 back in 1972, when I did, one of the first 0:40:34.210 --> 0:40:38.410 things we do is we ask, Lord, just save my mom, 0:40:38.450 --> 0:40:41.650 save my dad, save my sister. That'll be enough. If 0:40:41.690 --> 0:40:44.570 you just do that, I will be happy and content. 0:40:44.770 --> 0:40:47.649 And so I shared with my mom for 20 years 0:40:48.010 --> 0:40:52.850 who had, uh, emphysema. And she struggled tremendously with it. 0:40:53.130 --> 0:40:56.210 And she really, really struggled with it. And finally, she 0:40:56.210 --> 0:41:00.850 prayed to receive the Lord toward the end of her life. And, uh, 0:41:00.850 --> 0:41:04.540 and my father, an Orthodox Jewish man grew up Orthodox. 0:41:04.660 --> 0:41:08.300 It took him 20 years and he with me prayed 0:41:08.340 --> 0:41:12.300 twice to receive the Lord. And then my sister. She 0:41:12.300 --> 0:41:16.220 also prayed to receive the Lord. And the beauty of 0:41:16.219 --> 0:41:19.380 all this of them accepting the Lord. Dayenu. It would 0:41:19.420 --> 0:41:22.260 have been enough, but he goes beyond. He saved them. 0:41:22.540 --> 0:41:25.300 And I say, Diana, for the rest of my life, 0:41:25.300 --> 0:41:27.819 because he's been so good in my life, saving my 0:41:27.820 --> 0:41:30.660 family and allowing me to share the good news. 0:41:30.700 --> 0:41:33.979 Yeah. You have these two wonderful daughters who are adults now, 0:41:33.980 --> 0:41:36.340 and they both know the Lord and love and serve him. 0:41:36.460 --> 0:41:40.339 It is God. Boy, it is true. When God does 0:41:40.340 --> 0:41:42.779 those kinds of things, we sing over and over. Diana. 0:41:42.820 --> 0:41:44.420 Diana. Yeah. 0:41:44.460 --> 0:41:46.859 Okay, let's let's move on to near the end of 0:41:46.860 --> 0:41:49.819 the set or near the end of the Seder. We 0:41:49.820 --> 0:41:53.660 go to the door and we open it and to 0:41:53.700 --> 0:41:56.939 see if Elijah is there to announce the Messiah, because 0:41:56.940 --> 0:42:01.790 it's traditional that Messiah will come at Passover. And there's 0:42:01.830 --> 0:42:04.630 actually a whole cup and a place setting for Elijah, 0:42:04.630 --> 0:42:06.750 who is the special guest we're going to invite in 0:42:06.750 --> 0:42:09.029 at this point. So far, no one has gone to 0:42:09.070 --> 0:42:13.109 the door and found Elijah. But it's interesting because at 0:42:13.110 --> 0:42:17.390 the last Seder, they drank the third cup, and there's 0:42:17.390 --> 0:42:20.790 still a fourth cup. The cup that's related to Elijah. Now, 0:42:21.030 --> 0:42:24.390 when we opened the door for Elijah, the fourth cup 0:42:24.950 --> 0:42:27.590 is the cup of the kingdom or the cup of Praise? 0:42:27.630 --> 0:42:30.430 The cup of blessing. The idea that there's going to 0:42:30.430 --> 0:42:32.989 be a messiah coming. He's going to establish his kingdom. 0:42:33.270 --> 0:42:37.589 And yet the disciples, they went out. They. It says 0:42:37.590 --> 0:42:40.790 they they ate the meal. They had the matzo, they 0:42:40.790 --> 0:42:43.510 had the third cup. And then they sang a hymn, 0:42:43.510 --> 0:42:46.989 which are the praise psalms, the halal. And then they 0:42:47.030 --> 0:42:49.390 went out and they didn't drink the fourth cup. What's 0:42:49.390 --> 0:42:51.830 up with that? Why did they leave the fourth cup standing? 0:42:53.190 --> 0:42:57.029 Well, in the scripture, actually, it tells us that, you know, 0:42:57.070 --> 0:43:01.360 Elijah will come before the day of the Lord And, uh, 0:43:01.400 --> 0:43:03.799 a lot of times people say we're still waiting for him. 0:43:03.800 --> 0:43:08.160 But it's interesting that Yeshua did tell us and compare 0:43:08.360 --> 0:43:13.640 John the Baptist to Elijah and where John actually, uh, 0:43:13.680 --> 0:43:16.319 was like Elijah. He was out in the wilderness. He 0:43:16.320 --> 0:43:18.880 had a special outfit. He wore a special garment, a 0:43:18.880 --> 0:43:22.919 special belt. He preached a special message. And Yeshua said 0:43:22.920 --> 0:43:25.760 at two different points, if they had cared to accept it, 0:43:26.600 --> 0:43:29.880 John was Elijah. He was playing the role of Elijah. 0:43:29.880 --> 0:43:32.799 He was preparing the people for Elijah. And the sad 0:43:32.800 --> 0:43:36.920 thing today is that our people missed John or missed Elijah, 0:43:37.120 --> 0:43:40.040 and they missed who the Messiah was. And so this 0:43:40.040 --> 0:43:43.760 fourth Cup standing there and where we take it, it's 0:43:43.800 --> 0:43:46.200 we take it for a number of reasons where we 0:43:46.239 --> 0:43:50.000 sometimes they leave it standing because it reminds us of 0:43:50.000 --> 0:43:53.160 we thank him for what he's done in this Passover, 0:43:53.200 --> 0:43:56.680 but it reminds us of the future kingdom of him returning. 0:43:56.719 --> 0:44:00.090 And so Yeshua said at that Passover that this couple 0:44:00.090 --> 0:44:02.170 would be left standing. And I will not drink it 0:44:02.170 --> 0:44:05.370 again with you until I come, and I drink it 0:44:05.370 --> 0:44:08.450 with you. And so it's a picture of when the 0:44:08.450 --> 0:44:10.930 Messiah comes and the blessing that we will have with 0:44:10.930 --> 0:44:14.730 him entering into the kingdom. And as we leave it standing, 0:44:14.730 --> 0:44:17.489 we say, when our Messiah returns, we will drink it 0:44:17.489 --> 0:44:20.450 together with him entering into the kingdom. A great, great 0:44:20.450 --> 0:44:22.210 final finish for the Seder. 0:44:22.250 --> 0:44:25.609 Yeah, it's great to me when I think about what 0:44:25.610 --> 0:44:28.049 Yeshua said, that he won't drink it again until he 0:44:28.050 --> 0:44:31.089 comes into his kingdom. And so at my Seder, I 0:44:31.090 --> 0:44:34.609 know some people, some Messianic Jews finish the Seder with 0:44:34.610 --> 0:44:36.489 drinking the fourth cup as a reminder that we will 0:44:36.489 --> 0:44:38.250 drink it with him again in the future. But I 0:44:38.290 --> 0:44:42.050 leave it standing, and we don't take it at the Seder, 0:44:42.050 --> 0:44:44.450 because I want to remember that the Lord has been 0:44:44.450 --> 0:44:48.210 raised from the dead. He's ascended and he is coming back. 0:44:48.650 --> 0:44:51.210 And then there's going to be a great messianic seder, 0:44:51.250 --> 0:44:54.969 a great messianic banquet together with him. Yes. And then 0:44:54.969 --> 0:44:57.739 we're going to drink that, that cup. And you know, 0:44:57.780 --> 0:45:01.740 that's what Paul's talking about there in first Corinthians 11 0:45:01.739 --> 0:45:03.580 when he talks about in this way, we show forth 0:45:03.580 --> 0:45:08.140 the Lord's death until he comes, because we're not looking 0:45:08.140 --> 0:45:11.140 for his first coming now. We're looking for his return. 0:45:11.180 --> 0:45:13.500 You've got 40s last comment, Larry. 0:45:14.900 --> 0:45:18.900 It's just great. And to celebrate the Passover, I encourage 0:45:18.900 --> 0:45:22.060 Jewish and non-Jewish people to celebrate it. Learn the full 0:45:22.060 --> 0:45:25.020 meaning so you can share it with people. Share the 0:45:25.020 --> 0:45:27.779 joy of Passover and the true meaning of our Messiah 0:45:27.780 --> 0:45:29.660 and the redemption he brings for all people. 0:45:29.900 --> 0:45:32.020 Yeah. You know, I just think, you know, no one 0:45:32.020 --> 0:45:34.939 is obliged. You don't have to have a Seder. Our 0:45:34.940 --> 0:45:38.259 redemption is in the Messiah, the Passover lamb. But if 0:45:38.260 --> 0:45:40.420 you can get to a Passover Seder and see a 0:45:40.420 --> 0:45:44.940 messianic Seder with all its significance, I think it will 0:45:44.940 --> 0:45:48.820 really greatly benefit you, because it is a great celebration 0:45:48.820 --> 0:45:52.420 of what Messiah Yeshua, the Lamb of God, has done 0:45:52.420 --> 0:45:54.260 for us. What a great thing. Thank you for being 0:45:54.260 --> 0:45:55.500 my guest today, Larry. 0:45:56.070 --> 0:45:57.830 My pleasure. Mike. It's always good to. 0:45:57.830 --> 0:45:58.390 Be with you. 0:45:58.430 --> 0:46:01.430 Yeah. As I say, Larry Feldman. No one knows the 0:46:01.430 --> 0:46:04.910 Bible better. And that's why not only. I mean, I'm 0:46:04.910 --> 0:46:06.350 glad he's my friend, but that's why I have him 0:46:06.350 --> 0:46:09.670 on the program. Thanks for listening, everyone. 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