1 00:00:05,559 --> 00:00:08,039 S1: Happy Labor Day from all of us at Moody Radio 2 00:00:08,039 --> 00:00:11,760 S1: and welcome to the Radio Backyard Labor Day fence. I 3 00:00:11,760 --> 00:00:15,000 S1: have some good for you from about a dozen years ago. 4 00:00:15,040 --> 00:00:17,919 S1: I found this treasure the other day and I thought, 5 00:00:18,160 --> 00:00:20,840 S1: you know what? Labor day is the perfect day to 6 00:00:20,880 --> 00:00:25,200 S1: re-air this. Have you ever said, I can't stand my job? 7 00:00:25,560 --> 00:00:28,400 S1: Have you ever said I don't have any direction in life? 8 00:00:28,400 --> 00:00:32,200 S1: I don't feel any purpose. Have you ever asked yourself 9 00:00:32,200 --> 00:00:34,400 S1: I should be doing something else with my life? But 10 00:00:34,720 --> 00:00:38,560 S1: what is it? If that is you, today's program may 11 00:00:38,600 --> 00:00:42,480 S1: be a game changer, a life changer. When I heard 12 00:00:42,479 --> 00:00:44,720 S1: the things that our guest is going to talk about today, 13 00:00:44,720 --> 00:00:46,960 S1: I thought, I have been waiting to hear this all 14 00:00:47,000 --> 00:00:49,120 S1: of my life. I want my wife to hear this. 15 00:00:49,120 --> 00:00:51,800 S1: I want my kids to hear this. And I need 16 00:00:51,800 --> 00:00:54,120 S1: to hear it too. And maybe you as well. Doctor 17 00:00:54,120 --> 00:00:57,160 S1: Bill Hendricks, will talk about one of my favorite people 18 00:00:57,400 --> 00:01:01,520 S1: you today on Chris Fabry Live. I'm Chris Fabry. Thanks 19 00:01:01,520 --> 00:01:04,800 S1: for joining us for this Monday, Labor Day. 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You can leave 29 00:01:37,959 --> 00:01:48,480 S1: a message at this number or support us at 866958669532279. 30 00:01:48,760 --> 00:01:51,840 S1: Your support of the radio backyard fence means we get 31 00:01:51,840 --> 00:01:55,160 S1: to have these kinds of conversations that we're airing today. 32 00:01:55,480 --> 00:01:57,600 S1: So thank you so much for that support. Let us 33 00:01:57,600 --> 00:02:01,190 S1: hear from you today. Again. Eight. Six. Six. Nine. Five. Three. 34 00:02:01,190 --> 00:02:06,110 S1: Or go to Chris Fabry live.org. The subject today is 35 00:02:06,110 --> 00:02:09,350 S1: really not about your job, though. It is not about 36 00:02:09,350 --> 00:02:14,269 S1: your work per se. It's not about feeling fulfilled in 37 00:02:14,270 --> 00:02:17,550 S1: your profession. On the face of it, really, what we're 38 00:02:17,550 --> 00:02:22,669 S1: talking about here is giftedness, how you were made uniquely 39 00:02:22,669 --> 00:02:26,230 S1: by God Himself, and where he wants you to plug 40 00:02:26,230 --> 00:02:29,950 S1: in to his creation. And there's a lot of different 41 00:02:29,950 --> 00:02:32,470 S1: answers to this. And I've heard people talk till they're 42 00:02:32,470 --> 00:02:34,590 S1: blue in the face down through the years. And a 43 00:02:34,590 --> 00:02:37,829 S1: lot of it's been very, very helpful, but not until 44 00:02:37,830 --> 00:02:41,589 S1: I heard about and then have read portions, at least 45 00:02:41,590 --> 00:02:45,710 S1: portions of the person called you, why you're here, why 46 00:02:45,710 --> 00:02:48,190 S1: you matter, and what you should do with your life. 47 00:02:48,550 --> 00:02:51,710 S1: Not until then did it all really come together for me, 48 00:02:51,710 --> 00:02:54,070 S1: and I'm hoping that it will happen with you the 49 00:02:54,070 --> 00:02:58,390 S1: same way today. Bill Hendricks is president of the Giftedness Center. 50 00:02:58,389 --> 00:03:00,910 S1: Wouldn't you like to work at a place called the giftedness? 51 00:03:01,750 --> 00:03:04,350 S1: Just walking in would make you feel better about yourself. 52 00:03:04,830 --> 00:03:08,950 S1: It is a Dallas based consulting firm specializing in organizational 53 00:03:08,950 --> 00:03:14,750 S1: effectiveness and individual career guidance. That's a long winded way 54 00:03:14,750 --> 00:03:17,510 S1: to say he helps people find out what they're supposed 55 00:03:17,510 --> 00:03:21,510 S1: to do. He's the author or co-author of some 20 books, 56 00:03:21,510 --> 00:03:26,070 S1: including The Power of Uniqueness, The Light That Never Dies, 57 00:03:26,070 --> 00:03:28,230 S1: A Story of Hope, and the Shadows of Grief. Your 58 00:03:28,230 --> 00:03:31,270 S1: Work Matters to God, Living by the book and a 59 00:03:31,270 --> 00:03:33,589 S1: bunch of others. I could say more about him. Let's 60 00:03:33,590 --> 00:03:35,830 S1: just talk with him. Hey, Bill Hendricks, how are you today? 61 00:03:36,550 --> 00:03:39,030 S2: Hey, Chris. I'm doing great. How are you today? 62 00:03:39,310 --> 00:03:43,870 S1: I am on a Sunday. I'm okay. I I'm ready 63 00:03:43,870 --> 00:03:46,710 S1: and raring. Bill, ever since I, uh, we recorded a 64 00:03:46,710 --> 00:03:49,430 S1: program with Gary Chapman and you. And ever since I 65 00:03:49,430 --> 00:03:52,230 S1: heard that I wanted to have you on this program 66 00:03:52,590 --> 00:03:55,230 S1: to talk about the same thing, because my guess is 67 00:03:55,230 --> 00:03:58,940 S1: there are people listening today who are sitting a little closer, 68 00:03:58,980 --> 00:04:01,820 S1: a little further to the edge of their seat, because 69 00:04:01,820 --> 00:04:04,260 S1: this is the way they've always felt. I, I, I 70 00:04:04,460 --> 00:04:06,580 S1: know I'm supposed to do something with my life, but 71 00:04:06,580 --> 00:04:08,940 S1: I don't know what it is. And I'm stuck in 72 00:04:08,940 --> 00:04:12,620 S1: this job, but it's not about the job. Let's start there. 73 00:04:12,620 --> 00:04:15,420 S1: It's not really about the job, per se. You're talking 74 00:04:15,420 --> 00:04:16,779 S1: about giftedness. 75 00:04:16,820 --> 00:04:21,060 S2: Explain it. Well, you're first of all, you're correct in 76 00:04:21,060 --> 00:04:24,739 S2: that many, many people, and I'm sure many listeners are 77 00:04:25,260 --> 00:04:27,900 S2: leaning forward. This morning when they got out of bed, 78 00:04:27,940 --> 00:04:30,700 S2: they thought, oh my gosh, it's Monday. Please don't make 79 00:04:30,700 --> 00:04:33,460 S2: me do this again. And then they trudged their way 80 00:04:33,460 --> 00:04:36,979 S2: to work, and they can't wait till Friday afternoon comes 81 00:04:36,980 --> 00:04:40,860 S2: and they'll trudge their way home. And Gallup says that 82 00:04:40,940 --> 00:04:44,739 S2: some 70% of Americans are in work that really doesn't 83 00:04:44,740 --> 00:04:48,500 S2: engage them. And that means a majority of the workforce. 84 00:04:48,980 --> 00:04:53,540 S2: And the Barna Group reports that even among Christians, 60% 85 00:04:53,540 --> 00:04:57,420 S2: of Christians who are active Christians. Uh, they, they, uh, 86 00:04:57,420 --> 00:05:00,060 S2: they believe that God has a call for their life, 87 00:05:00,420 --> 00:05:04,060 S2: but they have no clue what that call is. And, uh, 88 00:05:04,260 --> 00:05:07,740 S2: I believe that the answers to these things begins at 89 00:05:07,779 --> 00:05:11,140 S2: least in this whole phenomenon of what we call giftedness. 90 00:05:11,140 --> 00:05:13,940 S2: Everybody has a certain form of giftedness. And the simple 91 00:05:14,180 --> 00:05:17,100 S2: way to explain what giftedness is, is, is it's what 92 00:05:17,100 --> 00:05:20,339 S2: you're born to do. And I believe you're born to 93 00:05:20,339 --> 00:05:23,100 S2: do that thing because God designed you to do that thing. 94 00:05:23,500 --> 00:05:25,940 S2: And so for one person, it may be that they 95 00:05:25,940 --> 00:05:28,339 S2: love to solve problems, never met a problem they didn't 96 00:05:28,339 --> 00:05:31,420 S2: want to solve. Somebody else sits to organize things and 97 00:05:31,420 --> 00:05:34,219 S2: plan them. Somebody else is to build something and get 98 00:05:34,220 --> 00:05:37,260 S2: a finished product, somebody else. That's to make an impact, 99 00:05:37,260 --> 00:05:40,980 S2: make a difference in, in, in people or in an organization, 100 00:05:40,980 --> 00:05:44,020 S2: somebody else to understand things at a very deep level. 101 00:05:44,020 --> 00:05:46,380 S2: I could go on and on all day about the 102 00:05:46,380 --> 00:05:49,260 S2: various forms of giftedness that we see, but every single 103 00:05:49,300 --> 00:05:53,169 S2: human being has their own particular form of giftedness. And giftedness. 104 00:05:53,170 --> 00:05:56,490 S2: And if they can tap into what that is, it 105 00:05:56,490 --> 00:05:58,410 S2: gives them a lot of clues as to what they 106 00:05:58,410 --> 00:06:00,850 S2: should be doing with their life, because God did put 107 00:06:00,850 --> 00:06:03,650 S2: them here, designed the way they are, because he's got 108 00:06:03,650 --> 00:06:04,610 S2: a purpose for them. 109 00:06:05,010 --> 00:06:07,890 S1: MM. How did you discover this and how long did 110 00:06:07,890 --> 00:06:11,849 S1: it take you? And maybe the better question is, did 111 00:06:11,850 --> 00:06:14,570 S1: you figure this out before you understood it? 112 00:06:15,610 --> 00:06:19,850 S2: Oh, by no means. By no means. I, I mean, uh, I, 113 00:06:19,890 --> 00:06:22,330 S2: I was lost as a lamb at about age 30. 114 00:06:22,890 --> 00:06:24,969 S2: I mean, I'm like a lot of people that are listening. 115 00:06:25,290 --> 00:06:28,570 S2: I'm 30 years old and, uh, and I had the 116 00:06:28,570 --> 00:06:31,690 S2: advantage of some real education. I had a couple master's degrees, 117 00:06:31,770 --> 00:06:35,810 S2: an undergraduate degree from Harvard, as you mentioned. But there 118 00:06:35,810 --> 00:06:38,530 S2: I am at age 30. And my wife said, listen, 119 00:06:38,570 --> 00:06:41,090 S2: I'm tired of putting you through school. I want you 120 00:06:41,089 --> 00:06:42,690 S2: to get out there and make some money because I 121 00:06:42,690 --> 00:06:45,250 S2: want to stay home and have babies. So she kind 122 00:06:45,290 --> 00:06:47,730 S2: of called the question, as it were, and I had 123 00:06:47,730 --> 00:06:49,330 S2: to figure out, so what am I going to do? 124 00:06:49,690 --> 00:06:52,290 S2: I didn't know, and people were coming to me saying, 125 00:06:52,330 --> 00:06:54,850 S2: you know, Bill, you're so bright, you can do anything 126 00:06:54,850 --> 00:06:57,450 S2: you want to do. And I said, well, that may be, 127 00:06:57,450 --> 00:06:59,450 S2: but but the one thing I'm not very bright at 128 00:06:59,450 --> 00:07:02,130 S2: is knowing what I want to do. And it was 129 00:07:02,130 --> 00:07:06,210 S2: about that time that somebody introduced me to the, the 130 00:07:06,250 --> 00:07:09,090 S2: core process that, that I talk about in the book 131 00:07:09,130 --> 00:07:13,810 S2: of discovering one's giftedness. And honestly, it was like a 132 00:07:13,810 --> 00:07:16,489 S2: light turned on. It was like I'd been stumbling around 133 00:07:16,490 --> 00:07:20,090 S2: in a dark room and suddenly somebody put put the 134 00:07:20,090 --> 00:07:24,330 S2: switch on and the lights came on. And I was like, oh, 135 00:07:24,570 --> 00:07:26,650 S2: I get it. Now. I understand what it is I've 136 00:07:26,650 --> 00:07:29,610 S2: been trying to do for 30 years. Yes. And I've 137 00:07:29,610 --> 00:07:34,170 S2: spent the last 30 years then trying to really understand what, 138 00:07:34,170 --> 00:07:36,090 S2: what this whole phenomenon is about. 139 00:07:36,930 --> 00:07:38,490 S1: And you know what I think a lot of people 140 00:07:38,490 --> 00:07:41,530 S1: feel like if they find what that the light comes on, 141 00:07:41,570 --> 00:07:43,410 S1: they find what they're supposed to do and they go 142 00:07:43,410 --> 00:07:46,890 S1: for it. And it happens that then their life is 143 00:07:46,890 --> 00:07:50,210 S1: going to be devoid of the struggle and the stress 144 00:07:50,210 --> 00:07:52,760 S1: and the strain and all of that. And I think 145 00:07:52,760 --> 00:07:56,440 S1: the people who who are doing what you're saying, I 146 00:07:56,440 --> 00:07:59,880 S1: think they have just as much of of all of that, 147 00:07:59,920 --> 00:08:02,280 S1: you know, the struggle and getting up on Monday. It's 148 00:08:02,280 --> 00:08:06,120 S1: just that they look at it differently because the struggle 149 00:08:06,120 --> 00:08:08,600 S1: and the stress and the strain is, is fun. It 150 00:08:08,600 --> 00:08:11,240 S1: energizes them in a sense. Right? 151 00:08:12,200 --> 00:08:15,200 S2: Well, yes, the, the struggle and the stress and the 152 00:08:15,200 --> 00:08:17,280 S2: strain are all part of the human condition. I mean, 153 00:08:17,320 --> 00:08:19,760 S2: we live in a fallen, broken world. That's why our 154 00:08:19,760 --> 00:08:23,040 S2: world needs a Savior and a Lord. And so all 155 00:08:23,040 --> 00:08:25,400 S2: of us are going to contend with just the realities 156 00:08:25,400 --> 00:08:29,920 S2: of life, you know, traffic and noise and interruptions and 157 00:08:29,960 --> 00:08:34,200 S2: babies crying and spilt milk and just sickness. And, you know, 158 00:08:34,240 --> 00:08:36,520 S2: in my case, as you as you may know, my 159 00:08:36,520 --> 00:08:40,679 S2: first wife, Nancy, passed away in 2000 of breast cancer, 160 00:08:40,679 --> 00:08:45,240 S2: and she left me with three children, ages 15, 13 161 00:08:45,240 --> 00:08:47,920 S2: and eight, three girls, no less. And so there I 162 00:08:47,960 --> 00:08:51,480 S2: am as a single parent. Dad. Um, and so I, I'm, 163 00:08:51,720 --> 00:08:54,720 S2: I and nobody is really immune from the realities of 164 00:08:54,720 --> 00:08:57,480 S2: this world. Having said that, you, you put your finger 165 00:08:57,480 --> 00:09:00,360 S2: on a very important point. If we are doing the 166 00:09:00,360 --> 00:09:02,400 S2: thing that God has called us to do by virtue 167 00:09:02,400 --> 00:09:05,600 S2: of how he's designed us, first of all, we gain 168 00:09:05,600 --> 00:09:09,679 S2: energy in the doing of that thing. We enjoy it 169 00:09:09,679 --> 00:09:12,800 S2: and it gives us energy. It fuels our soul, as 170 00:09:12,800 --> 00:09:15,520 S2: it were, which then gives us a lot more energy 171 00:09:15,520 --> 00:09:21,600 S2: to contend with these unpleasant realities of life. And, um, and, 172 00:09:21,600 --> 00:09:23,840 S2: and it also then, of course, gives us a sense 173 00:09:23,840 --> 00:09:26,760 S2: of meaning and a, and of purpose and of direction. We, 174 00:09:26,760 --> 00:09:30,040 S2: we feel like we're not just stumbling around in, in 175 00:09:30,080 --> 00:09:32,200 S2: the middle of stumbling around, you know, the rest of 176 00:09:32,200 --> 00:09:35,960 S2: our life is, is, is, uh, messed up. Yeah. Even 177 00:09:36,000 --> 00:09:38,360 S2: if the, even if parts of our lives are messed up, 178 00:09:38,360 --> 00:09:41,079 S2: we're not stumbling around. We have a sense of direction. 179 00:09:41,080 --> 00:09:42,520 S2: We know why we're here. 180 00:09:42,880 --> 00:09:46,479 S1: That's doctor Bill Hendricks from about a dozen years ago 181 00:09:46,480 --> 00:09:48,960 S1: here on Chris Fabry live on Labor Day. Thanks for 182 00:09:48,960 --> 00:09:52,480 S1: joining us today. The featured resource by Bill is the 183 00:09:52,480 --> 00:09:57,520 S1: person called you. Just go to chris.org. I don't know 184 00:09:57,520 --> 00:10:00,280 S1: if you can tell it, but in my voice, I 185 00:10:00,280 --> 00:10:03,600 S1: can hear all these years later, I'm really excited about this. 186 00:10:03,600 --> 00:10:06,880 S1: And you know why? Because because there's something about there's 187 00:10:06,880 --> 00:10:10,719 S1: something going on here. There's something at a deeper level. 188 00:10:10,720 --> 00:10:13,880 S1: That Bill is touching the nerve. How do you figure 189 00:10:13,920 --> 00:10:16,800 S1: out how you've been gifted? We'll talk about that straight 190 00:10:16,800 --> 00:10:29,440 S1: ahead on Moody Radio. Thanks for joining us today for 191 00:10:29,440 --> 00:10:34,040 S1: Chris Fabry live online. Chris Fabry live.org. Featured resource. There 192 00:10:34,440 --> 00:10:37,680 S1: is Bill Hendricks book, the person called you. We're trying 193 00:10:37,679 --> 00:10:42,520 S1: to discover your giftedness. Why and what way has God 194 00:10:42,520 --> 00:10:45,920 S1: gifted you? And when I looked at the assessment toward 195 00:10:45,920 --> 00:10:48,270 S1: the back of the book, and I looked at the 196 00:10:48,270 --> 00:10:50,150 S1: way I thought you would take a test, you know, 197 00:10:50,190 --> 00:10:53,230 S1: take these 50 questions, 100 questions A, B, C, D, 198 00:10:53,270 --> 00:10:55,550 S1: or fill in the blank, you know, and you set 199 00:10:55,550 --> 00:10:57,590 S1: this up over a schematic and a grid, and it's 200 00:10:57,590 --> 00:10:59,070 S1: going to tell you you need to be a lawyer, 201 00:10:59,070 --> 00:11:01,630 S1: you need to change today. You got to become a 202 00:11:01,630 --> 00:11:04,230 S1: brain surgeon. You've got and it doesn't work that way. 203 00:11:04,429 --> 00:11:07,870 S1: This is a this is a very story centered, uh, 204 00:11:07,870 --> 00:11:12,270 S1: analysis or assessment. Bill. Describe this. How do I figure 205 00:11:12,309 --> 00:11:13,990 S1: out how God has gifted me? 206 00:11:15,390 --> 00:11:19,070 S2: Well, one of the, uh, the telltale signs that a 207 00:11:19,070 --> 00:11:22,790 S2: person is using their giftedness is that they experience a 208 00:11:22,790 --> 00:11:26,630 S2: sense of joy or satisfaction when they're doing a particular task. 209 00:11:27,070 --> 00:11:30,110 S2: In other words, that task over overlaps with with their 210 00:11:30,110 --> 00:11:33,670 S2: particular gifts and, and they experience a great deal of 211 00:11:33,670 --> 00:11:37,070 S2: fulfillment as a result of that. Well, we can use 212 00:11:37,070 --> 00:11:40,150 S2: that to advantage. Then if we go back in a 213 00:11:40,150 --> 00:11:44,469 S2: person's life and have them think about moments and times 214 00:11:44,470 --> 00:11:47,310 S2: when they did feel a sense of satisfaction in the 215 00:11:47,350 --> 00:11:50,910 S2: doing of a task or an achievement could have been 216 00:11:50,910 --> 00:11:53,190 S2: when they were a kid and they built tree forts 217 00:11:53,190 --> 00:11:56,150 S2: in the backyard with their brother. Could be when they 218 00:11:56,150 --> 00:11:58,150 S2: were in junior high school, and there was a particular 219 00:11:58,150 --> 00:12:01,230 S2: project in history. And even though they didn't really care 220 00:12:01,230 --> 00:12:04,350 S2: for history, this one project just captured their imagination and 221 00:12:04,350 --> 00:12:07,310 S2: they really got into it and, and it just pulled 222 00:12:07,309 --> 00:12:09,750 S2: the best out of them. Or maybe later they're in 223 00:12:09,790 --> 00:12:13,670 S2: they're in college or vocational school. And there was some 224 00:12:13,670 --> 00:12:16,910 S2: particular subject in a teacher that taught that subject that 225 00:12:16,910 --> 00:12:19,710 S2: they just, they, they were fascinated by it. And they 226 00:12:19,710 --> 00:12:22,910 S2: spent hours studying and preparing for that class. And it 227 00:12:22,910 --> 00:12:26,470 S2: was one of the highlights of that educational experience. Everybody 228 00:12:26,470 --> 00:12:30,790 S2: has these moments in life when they've done something that 229 00:12:30,790 --> 00:12:34,110 S2: they really enjoyed doing. And so if you go back 230 00:12:34,110 --> 00:12:37,750 S2: and you look at those moments and you examine them, 231 00:12:37,750 --> 00:12:40,230 S2: first of all, you get all the detail of how 232 00:12:40,230 --> 00:12:43,510 S2: you went about doing these things and what was so satisfying. 233 00:12:43,790 --> 00:12:45,540 S2: And in the book, I recommend that you do this 234 00:12:45,540 --> 00:12:48,580 S2: with a partner, not just write them down on your own. There's, 235 00:12:48,620 --> 00:12:52,260 S2: there's a huge benefit, uh, of just telling these stories 236 00:12:52,260 --> 00:12:55,180 S2: to another person. You get 6 or 8 of these stories, 237 00:12:55,340 --> 00:12:57,740 S2: you give them the details, what you did, how you 238 00:12:57,740 --> 00:13:00,620 S2: did it, and then together you go back, you'll start 239 00:13:00,620 --> 00:13:03,020 S2: to see that there's all kinds of dots that connect 240 00:13:03,020 --> 00:13:07,220 S2: among these stories. There's themes that recur. There's certain elements 241 00:13:07,220 --> 00:13:11,620 S2: that recur. There's certain abilities that you consistently use, certain 242 00:13:11,620 --> 00:13:14,900 S2: circumstances that you do your best stuff under a certain 243 00:13:14,900 --> 00:13:20,740 S2: subject matter that you're attuned to that feels natural. Certain 244 00:13:20,740 --> 00:13:23,740 S2: roles you want to play to other people, and a 245 00:13:23,740 --> 00:13:28,060 S2: certain sort of motivational outcome that you're consistently seeking. The 246 00:13:28,059 --> 00:13:31,620 S2: stories reveal all this stuff. It's like studying game film 247 00:13:32,020 --> 00:13:34,500 S2: of an athlete. If a coach wants to really understand 248 00:13:34,500 --> 00:13:38,059 S2: how somebody bats a ball or swings a golf club 249 00:13:38,059 --> 00:13:41,140 S2: or whatever the sport is, they get game film from 250 00:13:41,140 --> 00:13:45,020 S2: the person when they're they're doing that sport, particularly when 251 00:13:45,020 --> 00:13:48,260 S2: they're doing it? Well, like they're, they're, they're making yards 252 00:13:48,260 --> 00:13:51,420 S2: or scoring points. They're knocking home runs. If, if the 253 00:13:51,460 --> 00:13:54,140 S2: if the coach studies game film, he'll start to see 254 00:13:54,300 --> 00:13:58,540 S2: little nuances to how this person uniquely does that sport. 255 00:13:58,780 --> 00:14:02,420 S2: And you can build on those strengths. And, uh, and, 256 00:14:02,980 --> 00:14:05,059 S2: and I like to say you can call plays on 257 00:14:05,059 --> 00:14:06,900 S2: the basis of what you now see. 258 00:14:07,660 --> 00:14:12,140 S1: I love that. And it's because so much of the 259 00:14:12,179 --> 00:14:15,900 S1: self-actualization community that we have, you know, you need to 260 00:14:15,900 --> 00:14:19,060 S1: be all you can be so you can be happy is, is, 261 00:14:19,220 --> 00:14:22,060 S1: you know, focused on that. I want to make you 262 00:14:22,060 --> 00:14:25,540 S1: a happy person by my book. You're saying if you 263 00:14:25,540 --> 00:14:27,740 S1: want to be at your optimal, you want to be 264 00:14:27,740 --> 00:14:31,340 S1: the best. You then plug into the way God is 265 00:14:31,340 --> 00:14:34,540 S1: uniquely wired you from, from birth. You go all the 266 00:14:34,540 --> 00:14:37,140 S1: way back. Do you think everybody has this from birth? 267 00:14:38,260 --> 00:14:42,210 S2: Yeah. I mean, I have three daughters and I promise you, 268 00:14:42,210 --> 00:14:44,690 S2: I was in the birthing room for all the. You know, 269 00:14:44,770 --> 00:14:46,370 S2: when all three of them were born, and right there 270 00:14:46,410 --> 00:14:48,970 S2: on the. On that little table where they weigh them, 271 00:14:49,850 --> 00:14:52,930 S2: these little ones began to manifest themselves to the world 272 00:14:52,930 --> 00:14:57,370 S2: in three completely different ways. And it hasn't let up since. Um, 273 00:14:57,530 --> 00:15:00,690 S2: we find that this phenomenon of giftedness is present at 274 00:15:00,690 --> 00:15:05,930 S2: extremely early ages. And based on passages like Psalm 139 275 00:15:05,930 --> 00:15:08,610 S2: that talk about God weaving us together in our mother's womb, 276 00:15:08,610 --> 00:15:12,130 S2: or Ephesians 210, which says that we're his workmanship, which 277 00:15:12,130 --> 00:15:16,290 S2: means his made thing, his crafted thing, really his masterpiece. 278 00:15:16,770 --> 00:15:19,810 S2: I believe that God has designed people right there from 279 00:15:19,810 --> 00:15:23,290 S2: the womb. And this phenomenon of giftedness points back to that, 280 00:15:23,330 --> 00:15:27,730 S2: to that truth. And, and so it's, it's very valuable 281 00:15:27,730 --> 00:15:29,490 S2: to go back in your life as early as you 282 00:15:29,490 --> 00:15:33,970 S2: can remember before you, you know, got educated and socialized 283 00:15:33,970 --> 00:15:37,290 S2: to behave. Uh, you know, how did you while away 284 00:15:37,290 --> 00:15:39,530 S2: your hours as a kid when, when you got to 285 00:15:39,570 --> 00:15:42,170 S2: choose the activity, What did you choose to do? What 286 00:15:42,210 --> 00:15:45,090 S2: held your attention? What did you fixate on for a 287 00:15:45,130 --> 00:15:49,530 S2: long time? What, uh, what what things did you most enjoy? Uh, 288 00:15:49,530 --> 00:15:52,290 S2: I advise parents to pay attention to this stuff in 289 00:15:52,290 --> 00:15:55,210 S2: their kids, because it's a way of beginning to really 290 00:15:55,210 --> 00:15:59,730 S2: understand your child and to see them as a unique person. 291 00:16:00,210 --> 00:16:02,010 S2: You know, your job as a parent is not to 292 00:16:02,050 --> 00:16:05,730 S2: make this person into somebody. God's already done that. Your 293 00:16:05,730 --> 00:16:08,730 S2: job as a parent is to take this little infant 294 00:16:08,730 --> 00:16:12,450 S2: person and shepherd them and help them get into, be, 295 00:16:12,810 --> 00:16:16,730 S2: get to be an adult person. Uh, with, with a 296 00:16:16,730 --> 00:16:20,050 S2: sense of confidence about their strengths, uh, a sense of 297 00:16:20,050 --> 00:16:24,170 S2: trust in their father in heaven and, uh, an emotional 298 00:16:24,170 --> 00:16:25,850 S2: outlook that's somewhat healthy. 299 00:16:26,210 --> 00:16:30,250 S1: Yes. It's a, it's so fascinating because as you're talking 300 00:16:30,250 --> 00:16:32,970 S1: and telling, you know, the examples there, I'm thinking of 301 00:16:32,970 --> 00:16:35,770 S1: something that happened to me in junior high school, I 302 00:16:35,770 --> 00:16:39,770 S1: think eighth, eighth or ninth grade. And then in high school, 303 00:16:39,770 --> 00:16:42,490 S1: something and somebody came alongside, you want to do this? 304 00:16:42,930 --> 00:16:46,130 S1: And I plugged into it and I would I would 305 00:16:46,170 --> 00:16:49,530 S1: have done it had they not paid me a cent and, 306 00:16:49,810 --> 00:16:52,890 S1: and then just kept working at it, you know, long 307 00:16:52,930 --> 00:16:56,850 S1: hours doing this thing just because it was fun to 308 00:16:56,890 --> 00:16:58,330 S1: do that was. 309 00:16:58,770 --> 00:16:59,650 S2: Like work did it. 310 00:16:59,690 --> 00:17:03,010 S1: Right. It was calling something from inside here that I 311 00:17:03,010 --> 00:17:07,210 S1: was feeding off of. And, and I'm still doing that today. 312 00:17:07,450 --> 00:17:10,810 S1: And it's not just the radio thing and talking behind 313 00:17:10,810 --> 00:17:14,810 S1: a microphone, it's, it's bigger than that. It's deeper. Yeah. 314 00:17:14,850 --> 00:17:17,170 S2: This is why it does no good to ask people. Well, 315 00:17:17,170 --> 00:17:19,010 S2: what do you like to do? You know, what are 316 00:17:19,010 --> 00:17:22,330 S2: you interested in? Because for many people, they can't answer 317 00:17:22,330 --> 00:17:25,370 S2: those questions. They they'd say, I don't know. I have 318 00:17:25,369 --> 00:17:27,090 S2: a lot of college students. We work with a lot 319 00:17:27,090 --> 00:17:30,449 S2: of millennials, college students, young adults. They'll say, Bill, I 320 00:17:30,450 --> 00:17:33,770 S2: don't know what my my strengths are. And you never 321 00:17:33,810 --> 00:17:38,199 S2: get there to figure this out through just self-reflection. Uh, 322 00:17:38,400 --> 00:17:41,640 S2: believe me, I spent 30 years very reflective on who 323 00:17:41,640 --> 00:17:44,480 S2: I was, and I couldn't figure it out. But it's 324 00:17:44,480 --> 00:17:47,160 S2: not because a person's not bright or they're not reflective. 325 00:17:47,440 --> 00:17:50,400 S2: It's because. Well, let me put it this way. We 326 00:17:50,400 --> 00:17:53,919 S2: live inside our skin. And so it's a physical impossibility 327 00:17:53,920 --> 00:17:56,360 S2: to see our own face, right? We can see every 328 00:17:56,359 --> 00:17:58,240 S2: other face in the world, but the one face we 329 00:17:58,240 --> 00:18:02,240 S2: cannot see, it's a physical impossibility is our own face. Well, 330 00:18:02,280 --> 00:18:05,200 S2: by the same token, we live inside our skin. And 331 00:18:05,200 --> 00:18:08,520 S2: so we'll see other people using their giftedness, but we 332 00:18:08,560 --> 00:18:11,760 S2: don't notice when we're using our own. The reason being, 333 00:18:11,760 --> 00:18:13,800 S2: we're not thinking about using it. We're just using it. 334 00:18:14,200 --> 00:18:16,960 S2: Wouldn't think of doing life any other way. It's it's natural. 335 00:18:16,960 --> 00:18:20,080 S2: It's instinctive. It's like breathing. And unless somebody from the 336 00:18:20,080 --> 00:18:23,560 S2: outside holds up a mirror and says, oh, Chris, here's 337 00:18:23,560 --> 00:18:26,800 S2: what you're doing and also celebrates it says, here's the 338 00:18:26,800 --> 00:18:28,840 S2: value of what you're doing. This is a good thing. 339 00:18:29,440 --> 00:18:32,560 S2: It just proves a bit elusive. And I simply, in 340 00:18:32,560 --> 00:18:35,359 S2: my practice, have the privilege of, of holding up the 341 00:18:35,359 --> 00:18:38,640 S2: mirror to people And just like, as happened with me 342 00:18:38,680 --> 00:18:39,760 S2: seeing the lights come on. 343 00:18:40,119 --> 00:18:43,000 S1: Oh, and I had uncles who could do things with 344 00:18:43,040 --> 00:18:46,200 S1: wood and, you know, out in the shop. And they 345 00:18:46,200 --> 00:18:49,560 S1: would he would see something and he could manufacture it, 346 00:18:49,600 --> 00:18:51,639 S1: you know, just like that. He's like, oh, pick it 347 00:18:51,640 --> 00:18:53,680 S1: up and pick it and figure out how this thing 348 00:18:53,680 --> 00:18:56,680 S1: went together and what a gift that is. But he 349 00:18:56,680 --> 00:18:59,840 S1: never thought, I have a gift. He just, you know, 350 00:18:59,960 --> 00:19:03,200 S1: everybody should, you know, is able to do that, right? No, 351 00:19:03,200 --> 00:19:07,280 S1: no everybody can't. All right. Here's, uh, you mentioned mentors. 352 00:19:07,280 --> 00:19:10,720 S1: Here's John in Colorado, Colorado Springs. Hi, John. Go right ahead. 353 00:19:12,119 --> 00:19:16,600 S3: Yes. I, you know, the, the term giftedness is, is 354 00:19:16,600 --> 00:19:20,680 S3: used quite, quite a bit. And I think, um, probably 355 00:19:20,680 --> 00:19:23,640 S3: one of the first places to start with, with this 356 00:19:23,640 --> 00:19:26,560 S3: whole concept is what, what do we mean by giftedness 357 00:19:26,600 --> 00:19:30,520 S3: when we say a person is gifted and studies now 358 00:19:30,560 --> 00:19:35,550 S3: have shown that that, uh, becoming gifted at something is 359 00:19:35,550 --> 00:19:39,830 S3: more of a protracted process than, than, uh, than people 360 00:19:39,830 --> 00:19:42,070 S3: would realize. As a matter of fact, they say really 361 00:19:42,109 --> 00:19:47,110 S3: it's the minimum, uh, time frame for somebody to become gifted, 362 00:19:47,109 --> 00:19:51,149 S3: whether it's at playing piano or chess or tennis is 363 00:19:51,150 --> 00:19:55,950 S3: ten years. And also within that process, when a person 364 00:19:55,950 --> 00:19:58,470 S3: discovers what they feel they're gifted at and they want 365 00:19:58,510 --> 00:20:02,590 S3: to pursue that gift, that, that activity or that, uh, 366 00:20:02,710 --> 00:20:06,550 S3: whatever it is that they're wanting to pursue, that one 367 00:20:06,550 --> 00:20:11,910 S3: of the keys to giftedness is having an instructor, not 368 00:20:11,910 --> 00:20:16,190 S3: only an instructor, but an instructor who's, who's gifted themselves, 369 00:20:16,390 --> 00:20:21,150 S3: who can identify, uh, the areas that say a person 370 00:20:21,150 --> 00:20:24,709 S3: wants to, uh, be a pianist who can identify the 371 00:20:24,710 --> 00:20:30,149 S3: areas that that person needs to isolate in, say, their 372 00:20:30,390 --> 00:20:34,910 S3: piano playing to become gifted. And that again, there's no 373 00:20:34,910 --> 00:20:38,710 S3: shortcut to giftedness. And so when when somebody says, oh, 374 00:20:38,750 --> 00:20:42,030 S3: that person is so gifted, they were born with a gift. 375 00:20:42,350 --> 00:20:46,389 S3: Often a lot of those people end up not becoming 376 00:20:46,390 --> 00:20:50,310 S3: gifted because they can take advantage of that gifting and 377 00:20:50,310 --> 00:20:54,470 S3: not develop it. So gifting is something that is developed 378 00:20:54,830 --> 00:20:58,989 S3: and it's developed quite arduously. But not only is it 379 00:20:59,030 --> 00:21:03,790 S3: developed in that protracted process, but it's something that's maintained. 380 00:21:04,030 --> 00:21:07,470 S3: In other words, somebody can become gifted after the ten 381 00:21:07,510 --> 00:21:10,950 S3: year process in an area, but they have to maintain. 382 00:21:11,510 --> 00:21:12,550 S1: They're practicing. 383 00:21:12,550 --> 00:21:16,710 S3: They're rehearsing and they're practicing or whatever it is that they're, uh, 384 00:21:17,070 --> 00:21:19,830 S3: you know, if they're playing tennis or golf or chess or. 385 00:21:19,869 --> 00:21:21,550 S1: Okay, John, let me get Bill in here and have 386 00:21:21,550 --> 00:21:23,550 S1: him respond to what you just said. Bill. Go right ahead. 387 00:21:24,070 --> 00:21:26,950 S2: Well, John, you've hit on an extremely important point. None 388 00:21:26,950 --> 00:21:29,270 S2: of us gets to just coast in life. Like, you know, 389 00:21:29,310 --> 00:21:32,190 S2: we're just a child prodigy. And, you know, even Mozart 390 00:21:32,230 --> 00:21:37,139 S2: had to had to practice. Um, so you're absolutely correct. And, 391 00:21:37,140 --> 00:21:41,100 S2: and really you're, you're, you're mentioning some, some quite widespread 392 00:21:41,100 --> 00:21:44,980 S2: psychological research that's been done. And one place that's talked 393 00:21:44,980 --> 00:21:48,139 S2: about is in a book that Malcolm Gladwell wrote called outliers. 394 00:21:48,140 --> 00:21:51,619 S2: And he talks about the 10,000 hour principle. And they've 395 00:21:51,619 --> 00:21:56,540 S2: actually studied, uh, artists and musicians and athletes and surgeons 396 00:21:56,540 --> 00:22:00,980 S2: and others who are quite refined in their professions and 397 00:22:00,980 --> 00:22:05,500 S2: discovered that, uh, if somebody will practice diligently and you 398 00:22:05,540 --> 00:22:09,780 S2: use the word arduously, if they will practice for 10,000 hours, 399 00:22:09,780 --> 00:22:12,660 S2: they will basically arrive at the world class level, which 400 00:22:12,660 --> 00:22:14,580 S2: means they'll be among the best in the world at 401 00:22:14,580 --> 00:22:17,620 S2: what they what whatever it is they do. And that's 402 00:22:17,660 --> 00:22:22,540 S2: actually absolutely true. The question that they never considered was 403 00:22:23,540 --> 00:22:27,459 S2: what keeps a person practicing for 10,000 hours? You mentioned 404 00:22:27,460 --> 00:22:30,180 S2: ten years. So that's roughly ten years worth of practice. 405 00:22:30,540 --> 00:22:33,300 S2: You know what keeps them at that task? Well, that's 406 00:22:33,300 --> 00:22:37,420 S2: a question of motivation. And giftedness is about not just ability, 407 00:22:37,540 --> 00:22:41,540 S2: but it's about motivation. You know what, what you find satisfying. 408 00:22:42,100 --> 00:22:45,540 S2: And all of this played out in my own family 409 00:22:45,540 --> 00:22:48,500 S2: with my oldest daughter, Brittany, when she was in fifth grade, 410 00:22:48,500 --> 00:22:50,940 S2: somebody put a trumpet in her hand, and it was 411 00:22:50,940 --> 00:22:54,300 S2: a perfect match for her because she loved to practice 412 00:22:54,300 --> 00:22:57,340 S2: that thing. She she'd practice and practice and, you know, 413 00:22:57,380 --> 00:23:00,780 S2: trumpet players are forming a set of muscles in their mouth. 414 00:23:00,780 --> 00:23:03,220 S2: So they're like gymnasts. They can only practice four hours 415 00:23:03,220 --> 00:23:06,020 S2: a day. So she'd practice four hours a day by 416 00:23:06,020 --> 00:23:08,500 S2: the day. And I asked her one time, why do 417 00:23:08,500 --> 00:23:10,460 S2: you like to practice so much? She said, well, daddy, 418 00:23:11,340 --> 00:23:13,659 S2: I like to listen for what I'm not doing right. 419 00:23:13,859 --> 00:23:16,219 S2: And then I practice and practice and practice until I 420 00:23:16,220 --> 00:23:18,500 S2: can do it right. And then I practice and practice 421 00:23:18,500 --> 00:23:20,540 S2: and practice until I can do it right without having 422 00:23:20,540 --> 00:23:22,859 S2: to think about doing it right. And then I listen 423 00:23:22,859 --> 00:23:25,379 S2: for the next thing I'm doing wrong. Well, if you 424 00:23:25,380 --> 00:23:28,300 S2: run that loop enough, you end up at the world 425 00:23:28,300 --> 00:23:31,649 S2: class level. So sure enough, she decided to go to 426 00:23:31,690 --> 00:23:35,570 S2: music school and and become a professional trumpet player. And 427 00:23:35,650 --> 00:23:39,169 S2: her junior year at northwestern, uh, right there in the 428 00:23:39,170 --> 00:23:44,210 S2: Chicago area, I, I read, uh, outliers and I came 429 00:23:44,210 --> 00:23:47,850 S2: across this idea and I, I did the math and 430 00:23:47,850 --> 00:23:51,330 S2: sure enough, Brittany was right there at about 10,000 hours 431 00:23:51,330 --> 00:23:54,130 S2: at that point. She went on to get her master's degree. 432 00:23:54,130 --> 00:23:56,810 S2: She went on to get her doctoral degree. And she's 433 00:23:56,810 --> 00:24:00,970 S2: now a trumpet professor at a at a significant Midwestern university. 434 00:24:01,609 --> 00:24:04,169 S2: And so she she ended up at the world class level. 435 00:24:04,810 --> 00:24:07,929 S2: But it was because this piece of playing the trumpet 436 00:24:08,210 --> 00:24:11,770 S2: fit her giftedness perfectly, because when we did a formal 437 00:24:11,770 --> 00:24:15,290 S2: analysis of what Brittany's giftedness is, among the things in. 438 00:24:15,330 --> 00:24:20,010 S2: There is a motivation we call, uh, master and perfect. 439 00:24:20,490 --> 00:24:24,370 S2: She loves to master and perfect something. And that's been 440 00:24:24,369 --> 00:24:26,530 S2: going on, as I say, since she was a baby. 441 00:24:26,570 --> 00:24:30,330 S2: You know, she mastered dinosaurs. She had an encyclopedic knowledge 442 00:24:30,330 --> 00:24:33,250 S2: about dinosaurs. And then it was horses. And then and 443 00:24:33,250 --> 00:24:36,890 S2: then and then it was the trumpet. And, uh, she 444 00:24:36,890 --> 00:24:40,290 S2: she continues, as you pointed out to, to practice and 445 00:24:40,290 --> 00:24:43,810 S2: maintain that, that level. But she does. So the thing 446 00:24:43,810 --> 00:24:47,290 S2: that keeps her going is that she absolutely loves to 447 00:24:47,290 --> 00:24:50,290 S2: play the trumpet. And I could mention many, many other 448 00:24:50,290 --> 00:24:53,810 S2: people who her that same way. And I think, I 449 00:24:53,810 --> 00:24:58,410 S2: think people often get confused because since they don't know 450 00:24:58,410 --> 00:25:01,170 S2: what their giftedness is, they don't know what to apply 451 00:25:01,170 --> 00:25:05,530 S2: themselves to for ten zero zero zero hours. Yes. Which means, frankly, 452 00:25:05,690 --> 00:25:10,290 S2: a lot of people, after 10,000 hours of confusion and mediocrity, 453 00:25:10,730 --> 00:25:14,609 S2: become extremely good at confusion and mediocrity. And that's what 454 00:25:14,609 --> 00:25:18,810 S2: the Gallup report and other studies show in our culture, 455 00:25:18,810 --> 00:25:21,570 S2: people just confused and doing work that really is not 456 00:25:21,570 --> 00:25:23,250 S2: particularly outstanding. 457 00:25:23,490 --> 00:25:25,490 S1: Or having other people say, this is what you ought 458 00:25:25,490 --> 00:25:28,290 S1: to do, believing that putting the ladder up against that wall, 459 00:25:28,290 --> 00:25:31,890 S1: climbing at the 10,000 hours and then coming out on 460 00:25:31,890 --> 00:25:34,770 S1: the top and realizing, I don't really like to do this. 461 00:25:34,810 --> 00:25:38,090 S1: This is not who I am. Uh, Bill Hendricks is 462 00:25:38,090 --> 00:25:40,570 S1: joining us today. Some great questions standing by. If you're 463 00:25:40,570 --> 00:25:42,530 S1: on hold, you hang in there. We're going to get 464 00:25:42,530 --> 00:25:46,090 S1: to your question, Daniel. You're up next. Daniel's a dreamer, 465 00:25:46,410 --> 00:25:48,370 S1: and he has a bunch of things going for him, 466 00:25:48,369 --> 00:25:51,010 S1: but he doesn't know what to be doing. Bill Henry's 467 00:25:51,050 --> 00:25:53,450 S1: going to talk to him and you straight ahead on 468 00:25:53,490 --> 00:26:08,250 S1: Moody Radio. Well, you can't get any more right where 469 00:26:08,250 --> 00:26:10,650 S1: people are living than this. The Person Called You is 470 00:26:10,650 --> 00:26:14,290 S1: written by Bill Hendricks. Why you're here, why you matter, 471 00:26:14,290 --> 00:26:15,930 S1: and what you should do with your life. You can 472 00:26:15,930 --> 00:26:21,090 S1: find out more about it@chris.org. Chris fabriclive.org. Let me go 473 00:26:21,090 --> 00:26:24,010 S1: to Daniel in Indiana. Daniel, you're a dreamer, you say. 474 00:26:24,570 --> 00:26:27,000 S1: Tell me what that means and what your question is. 475 00:26:27,840 --> 00:26:30,560 S4: Hi, Chris. Hi, Bill. Thanks for taking my call. Yeah. Hey, 476 00:26:30,600 --> 00:26:32,399 S4: first of all, I'm 48 years old. I've been in 477 00:26:32,400 --> 00:26:35,840 S4: the ministry 25 years. I'm currently not pastoring. Uh, matter 478 00:26:35,840 --> 00:26:37,960 S4: of fact, I'm driving a bulldozer. I kind of went 479 00:26:37,960 --> 00:26:41,800 S4: to my default job construction. Um, what I found and 480 00:26:41,800 --> 00:26:43,840 S4: what I analyzed as I'm listening to you guys and 481 00:26:43,840 --> 00:26:45,760 S4: I tuned in today, I thought, oh my gosh, they 482 00:26:45,760 --> 00:26:47,800 S4: can fix me. And then I heard people talking and 483 00:26:47,800 --> 00:26:51,640 S4: I thought, that's me, that's me, that's me. Um, basically 484 00:26:51,640 --> 00:26:56,119 S4: you put me with somebody. I can take anybody's plan, purpose, position, 485 00:26:56,160 --> 00:26:59,840 S4: make it grow. I'm kind of like a miracle grow 486 00:26:59,840 --> 00:27:04,000 S4: because someone else's vision. Um, but for my own, um, 487 00:27:04,280 --> 00:27:06,360 S4: I struggle with that, trying to find people to come 488 00:27:06,359 --> 00:27:10,320 S4: in behind me and make what I feel God wants grow. Um, 489 00:27:10,359 --> 00:27:13,320 S4: I'm all over the board with talents and abilities can 490 00:27:13,359 --> 00:27:17,000 S4: do about anything. Watch and see it done can do it. Um, 491 00:27:17,040 --> 00:27:19,760 S4: but this dreamer, kind of like Joseph Gordon to Pharaoh 492 00:27:19,760 --> 00:27:22,200 S4: and saying, hey, we're going to have a famine. Uh, 493 00:27:22,200 --> 00:27:24,919 S4: I got a plan. You know, uh, it's kind of 494 00:27:25,040 --> 00:27:27,520 S4: one of those type of deals where I, I present 495 00:27:27,520 --> 00:27:29,600 S4: my vision and it's too big for people to swallow. 496 00:27:30,000 --> 00:27:31,359 S4: My wife tells me that. 497 00:27:31,760 --> 00:27:32,119 S3: MM. 498 00:27:32,960 --> 00:27:34,040 S4: So there you have it. 499 00:27:35,680 --> 00:27:37,880 S2: And so you're, you're just to make sure I understand 500 00:27:37,880 --> 00:27:40,160 S2: your question. So you're, you're sort of trying to figure out. 501 00:27:40,160 --> 00:27:45,760 S2: So what is my, uh, what is my own, uh. Thing? 502 00:27:45,800 --> 00:27:47,959 S2: Like what should I, what should you concentrate on? 503 00:27:48,600 --> 00:27:50,800 S4: Yeah. My gifting is I'm a dreamer. I can take 504 00:27:50,800 --> 00:27:54,040 S4: anybody's vision and plan and make it grow. Uh, I 505 00:27:54,040 --> 00:27:56,160 S4: know what my gifting is, but it has caused me 506 00:27:56,160 --> 00:27:58,040 S4: a lot of problems through the years. 507 00:27:58,440 --> 00:27:58,800 S1: MM. 508 00:28:00,720 --> 00:28:01,080 S2: Well. 509 00:28:01,800 --> 00:28:04,080 S4: Joseph was given his coat. He went to his brothers 510 00:28:04,080 --> 00:28:06,920 S4: and said, hey, blah, blah, blah, and got in trouble 511 00:28:06,920 --> 00:28:07,439 S4: with them. 512 00:28:07,800 --> 00:28:08,879 S2: Yeah, right. 513 00:28:08,920 --> 00:28:10,399 S4: I've had that happen a time or two. 514 00:28:12,119 --> 00:28:14,879 S2: Well, and a lot depends on, uh, you know, who 515 00:28:14,920 --> 00:28:18,920 S2: you've talked to. I mean, not everybody's open to growing. And, uh, 516 00:28:19,240 --> 00:28:21,520 S2: obviously you want to work with those who, who are. 517 00:28:21,960 --> 00:28:23,639 S2: And there's a sense in which you sort of have 518 00:28:23,750 --> 00:28:27,110 S2: to pick your. They say in consulting that the key 519 00:28:27,109 --> 00:28:31,109 S2: to great consulting is picking your clients carefully. And in 520 00:28:31,109 --> 00:28:33,670 S2: a way that's true for everybody's gift. You got to 521 00:28:33,710 --> 00:28:37,070 S2: you got to certainly find people that are receptive to it. Um, 522 00:28:37,869 --> 00:28:41,310 S2: I like the sound that you're, you know, you, you've, 523 00:28:41,350 --> 00:28:45,469 S2: you've pinpointed something and you're optimistic about it. And I, 524 00:28:45,510 --> 00:28:47,470 S2: what I would encourage you to do is just on 525 00:28:47,470 --> 00:28:50,870 S2: a daily basis, prayerfully ask, Lord, who today can I 526 00:28:50,910 --> 00:28:53,630 S2: help grow? Put me in touch with them. And in 527 00:28:53,630 --> 00:28:56,190 S2: order to make ends meet, while I'm. I'd like to 528 00:28:56,190 --> 00:28:59,470 S2: do that full time professionally, but while I'm, you know, 529 00:28:59,870 --> 00:29:03,630 S2: doing that, I got to make ends meet. And, you know, 530 00:29:03,670 --> 00:29:07,710 S2: figuratively speaking, you've, you've sort of, uh, waited tables. You 531 00:29:07,710 --> 00:29:10,430 S2: said you'd, you'd driven a bulldozer and done some other things. 532 00:29:10,670 --> 00:29:13,230 S2: And that's sometimes what we have to do. You know, 533 00:29:13,270 --> 00:29:18,590 S2: the economy doesn't cooperate with our gifts, believe it or not. And, um, 534 00:29:18,590 --> 00:29:20,870 S2: and yet God still has a purpose for us. So we, 535 00:29:20,910 --> 00:29:24,550 S2: we need to continue to, pursue the gift, even if 536 00:29:24,550 --> 00:29:26,709 S2: it means that we don't make our full time living 537 00:29:26,710 --> 00:29:31,430 S2: at it. And there's no shame in, quote, waiting tables. And, uh, 538 00:29:31,430 --> 00:29:33,230 S2: you know, in your case, it sounds like you've been 539 00:29:33,230 --> 00:29:36,630 S2: in the ministry. I mean, there's a long history of 540 00:29:36,630 --> 00:29:40,229 S2: people in ministry, Paul being the first, uh, that we 541 00:29:40,230 --> 00:29:43,510 S2: could think of who made tents in order to supplement 542 00:29:43,510 --> 00:29:47,510 S2: his ability to take the gospel all through Asia Minor. 543 00:29:47,870 --> 00:29:52,350 S2: And many, many artists, musicians, I mean, they do literally 544 00:29:52,350 --> 00:29:55,390 S2: wait tables oftentimes, but that doesn't mean that they don't 545 00:29:55,390 --> 00:29:58,110 S2: have a gift. It just means they haven't yet found 546 00:29:58,150 --> 00:29:59,590 S2: a a stage for it. 547 00:29:59,910 --> 00:30:04,030 S1: Yes. All right, Daniel, keep listening because Karen has a 548 00:30:04,030 --> 00:30:07,950 S1: follow up question or your perspective. Karen goes right along 549 00:30:07,950 --> 00:30:10,790 S1: here and the the encouragement factor. Go right ahead. What's 550 00:30:10,790 --> 00:30:11,470 S1: your question? 551 00:30:13,190 --> 00:30:16,510 S5: Um. Hi, Kristen. Hi, Bill. Um, I just want to 552 00:30:16,510 --> 00:30:22,060 S5: thank you for having this program today. Um, Because actually 553 00:30:22,340 --> 00:30:29,500 S5: I've been discouraged, um, not knowing what my purpose is, I, 554 00:30:30,020 --> 00:30:34,900 S5: I asked Jesus all the time. I say, Lord, you know, 555 00:30:35,380 --> 00:30:39,740 S5: what is it? And I'm still not getting an answer. 556 00:30:40,460 --> 00:30:43,980 S5: And in the meantime, it seems like every job that 557 00:30:43,980 --> 00:30:49,420 S5: I've worked, I either get fired or set up to 558 00:30:49,420 --> 00:30:55,540 S5: get fired by other servers. Um, I'm trying to do 559 00:30:55,540 --> 00:30:59,540 S5: the right thing. I, I'm on, I'm honest. I try 560 00:30:59,580 --> 00:31:05,060 S5: to be a team player. Um, somehow I end up getting, um, 561 00:31:06,180 --> 00:31:11,420 S5: you know, stepped on or, uh, you know, taken advantage of. 562 00:31:12,580 --> 00:31:15,620 S5: And then I say, okay, Lord, you know, I think, 563 00:31:15,660 --> 00:31:19,020 S5: you know, it's something else. Then maybe that's something else 564 00:31:19,020 --> 00:31:21,900 S5: for me. And this is everywhere I go. And I'm like, 565 00:31:22,140 --> 00:31:27,620 S5: how could this be? Like what, what, what is what 566 00:31:27,620 --> 00:31:28,860 S5: is my purpose then? 567 00:31:30,060 --> 00:31:31,780 S1: All right. It's a great question. Go ahead. 568 00:31:31,980 --> 00:31:36,420 S2: Yeah, yeah. Karen, your purpose is going to be found 569 00:31:36,620 --> 00:31:40,620 S2: in your in your giftedness. Ephesians 210 says that your 570 00:31:40,620 --> 00:31:43,900 S2: God's workmanship, that is, he made you. He designed you. 571 00:31:43,900 --> 00:31:48,580 S2: But you know, he, he designs you for a specific purpose. 572 00:31:48,580 --> 00:31:50,580 S2: The verse goes on to say that you're created in 573 00:31:50,580 --> 00:31:54,100 S2: Christ Jesus for good works. Those aren't just generic good 574 00:31:54,100 --> 00:31:57,260 S2: works in light of that word workmanship, those are specific 575 00:31:57,260 --> 00:32:01,300 S2: good works that are tied to the nature of that workmanship. 576 00:32:01,340 --> 00:32:04,460 S2: Workmanship means a made thing, a crafted thing. So you 577 00:32:04,460 --> 00:32:07,540 S2: could think about an artisan who's working in, say, in pottery, 578 00:32:08,500 --> 00:32:10,780 S2: and because it's God's hands that are on the pottery, 579 00:32:10,900 --> 00:32:13,260 S2: you know, it's a masterpiece. But, you know, if the 580 00:32:13,260 --> 00:32:17,060 S2: Potter fashions that clay one way, it's perfect for holding 581 00:32:17,060 --> 00:32:19,900 S2: wine or water. If he fashions the clay another way. 582 00:32:19,900 --> 00:32:23,140 S2: It's perfect for holding bread or grain if he fashions 583 00:32:23,140 --> 00:32:26,420 S2: it yet another way. It's perfect for putting oil in 584 00:32:26,460 --> 00:32:29,700 S2: and a wick and burning as a lantern. Those design 585 00:32:29,700 --> 00:32:33,540 S2: features give that vessel functionality, and that has the idea 586 00:32:33,540 --> 00:32:36,700 S2: of purpose to it. And so my point is that 587 00:32:36,900 --> 00:32:41,500 S2: God has put you together the way he has because, uh, 588 00:32:41,660 --> 00:32:44,780 S2: he's got purposes for you that fit that. And so the, 589 00:32:44,820 --> 00:32:47,020 S2: where it all starts is figuring out, well, what is 590 00:32:47,020 --> 00:32:50,100 S2: that gifting? And of course, that's, that's why I wrote 591 00:32:50,100 --> 00:32:53,340 S2: the book is to begin to help people do that. Frankly, 592 00:32:53,340 --> 00:32:56,820 S2: the fact that you listen to the program today may be, 593 00:32:57,020 --> 00:32:59,580 S2: you know, in many ways something of an answer to prayer. 594 00:32:59,620 --> 00:33:02,020 S2: I mean, that would certainly be my hope and desire 595 00:33:02,300 --> 00:33:05,100 S2: that that this book was put together specifically for people 596 00:33:05,100 --> 00:33:07,980 S2: like you and that you've been praying for a long 597 00:33:07,980 --> 00:33:13,100 S2: time and somehow, you know, through through this book and, and, uh, 598 00:33:13,100 --> 00:33:16,740 S2: perhaps other resources that God is beginning to answer your prayer. 599 00:33:16,740 --> 00:33:18,610 S2: And he says, I want to show you something about 600 00:33:18,610 --> 00:33:23,490 S2: yourself and really then begin to lean into that and, uh, 601 00:33:23,770 --> 00:33:27,210 S2: take on work that begins to fit that. Yeah. Now, now, 602 00:33:27,210 --> 00:33:29,810 S2: one thing I would encourage here too, Karen, because I'm 603 00:33:29,810 --> 00:33:33,810 S2: hearing a lot of discouragement. Anybody out there who's looking 604 00:33:33,810 --> 00:33:37,730 S2: for a job. You need to find a team to 605 00:33:37,770 --> 00:33:41,530 S2: look for that job with you. Well, what does that mean? Well, 606 00:33:41,530 --> 00:33:43,610 S2: it means that the vast majority of people in this 607 00:33:43,610 --> 00:33:47,730 S2: world tend to do things with other people. Like at work, 608 00:33:47,770 --> 00:33:51,210 S2: they're part of a team or they're collaborators. I mean, 609 00:33:51,210 --> 00:33:54,890 S2: there's there's certainly, you know, plenty of individualists like me 610 00:33:54,890 --> 00:33:57,650 S2: that we kind of do everything on our own. But 611 00:33:57,650 --> 00:34:01,090 S2: the vast majority of people, they do life and work 612 00:34:01,090 --> 00:34:03,650 S2: in the context of a team. And yet the one 613 00:34:03,650 --> 00:34:07,050 S2: job that they seem to want to do or try 614 00:34:07,050 --> 00:34:09,810 S2: to do by themselves, totally by themselves, is to find 615 00:34:09,810 --> 00:34:13,049 S2: a job. And I just encourage anybody who's looking for 616 00:34:13,050 --> 00:34:16,130 S2: a job to pull around you. A group of supporters 617 00:34:16,650 --> 00:34:19,690 S2: who will get together with you periodically that you can 618 00:34:19,730 --> 00:34:23,450 S2: bounce ideas off of, that you can get encouragement from 619 00:34:23,930 --> 00:34:26,610 S2: that will hold you accountable to the commitments you make 620 00:34:26,650 --> 00:34:30,010 S2: and most importantly, that will pray with you and for you. 621 00:34:30,610 --> 00:34:32,810 S2: And you need to get their faith working on your 622 00:34:32,810 --> 00:34:35,770 S2: behalf so that when you get discouraged, you got some 623 00:34:35,770 --> 00:34:38,730 S2: people saying, hey, listen, God's in this thing. We're in 624 00:34:38,730 --> 00:34:41,770 S2: this with you. This is going to happen. Just, just 625 00:34:41,770 --> 00:34:45,810 S2: just hang in there and keep going. And, uh, and I, 626 00:34:45,810 --> 00:34:48,209 S2: I would, I would encourage you to, to get these 627 00:34:48,210 --> 00:34:51,969 S2: encouragers around you because it is very, very difficult when 628 00:34:51,969 --> 00:34:54,009 S2: you're looking for a job. It's the hardest job in 629 00:34:54,010 --> 00:34:55,290 S2: the world to look for a job. 630 00:34:55,370 --> 00:34:58,609 S1: MM. Karen. Hang on. Nate will get your address and 631 00:34:58,610 --> 00:35:02,650 S1: we'll send you a copy of this courtesy of Moody Publishers. Uh, 632 00:35:02,650 --> 00:35:06,009 S1: but one thing that she said, though, um, sticks with me, 633 00:35:06,010 --> 00:35:08,810 S1: and I just want to have you address it real quickly. 634 00:35:09,170 --> 00:35:12,729 S1: If you keep getting every job that you get, you 635 00:35:12,770 --> 00:35:15,759 S1: keep getting in the same situation where you are the 636 00:35:15,760 --> 00:35:18,759 S1: victim of somebody else, or let's say you have a 637 00:35:18,760 --> 00:35:22,600 S1: bad boss here or there. And and it ends badly 638 00:35:22,880 --> 00:35:26,960 S1: every time. That's a signal. I think that it's not 639 00:35:26,960 --> 00:35:31,120 S1: just every workplace. There's something about what you're bringing to 640 00:35:31,160 --> 00:35:35,560 S1: that that is, uh, that they're responding to or the, 641 00:35:35,600 --> 00:35:38,320 S1: you know, the workplace is responding to. Can you speak 642 00:35:38,320 --> 00:35:38,880 S1: to that? 643 00:35:39,800 --> 00:35:42,920 S2: Well, absolutely. Just as we have patterns on the positive 644 00:35:42,920 --> 00:35:46,680 S2: side for, you know, our positive behavior, what I've, I've 645 00:35:46,680 --> 00:35:51,200 S2: chosen to call our giftedness. We also have Potter. We 646 00:35:51,200 --> 00:35:55,160 S2: also have patterns, sorry, on the call it the negative 647 00:35:55,160 --> 00:35:57,239 S2: side or the dark side. In fact, in the book, 648 00:35:57,239 --> 00:36:01,240 S2: I talk about the dark side of giftedness, meaning every 649 00:36:01,239 --> 00:36:04,719 S2: gift is inherently good, but every gift has a potential 650 00:36:04,719 --> 00:36:07,400 S2: dark side to it. It can create problems for yourself 651 00:36:07,400 --> 00:36:10,440 S2: or other people, and in the extreme, it can be 652 00:36:10,440 --> 00:36:15,520 S2: used for selfish and sinful and even evil purposes. You know, 653 00:36:15,560 --> 00:36:17,400 S2: if you if you think about nine over 11 that 654 00:36:17,400 --> 00:36:21,960 S2: we just memorialized last week or the other day, I mean, 655 00:36:22,000 --> 00:36:26,280 S2: that that that took a lot of giftedness to pull off. But, 656 00:36:26,280 --> 00:36:30,440 S2: but turned in a very, very dark direction. Um, the 657 00:36:30,440 --> 00:36:35,560 S2: person who loves to overcome and prevail is kind of 658 00:36:35,600 --> 00:36:39,200 S2: a motivation we see for somebody who's just, they're quite 659 00:36:39,200 --> 00:36:42,480 S2: persevering in the face of adversity. That's a great gift. 660 00:36:42,880 --> 00:36:46,320 S2: A potential dark side of that is that they, they 661 00:36:46,560 --> 00:36:50,520 S2: hang on to a lost cause. You know, they, they, uh, they, 662 00:36:50,520 --> 00:36:53,680 S2: they stay in a job that's just not working. Um, 663 00:36:53,719 --> 00:36:55,919 S2: or they keep trying to make something happen and it's 664 00:36:55,920 --> 00:36:59,200 S2: never going to happen. Uh, there's another kind of giftedness 665 00:36:59,239 --> 00:37:02,279 S2: we see around meeting needs. It's a wonderful gift. But 666 00:37:02,280 --> 00:37:04,600 S2: let's say a homemaker over here has that gift, which 667 00:37:04,600 --> 00:37:07,279 S2: is really great when you've got a husband and children. 668 00:37:08,200 --> 00:37:10,680 S2: But the dark side of that could be that this 669 00:37:10,680 --> 00:37:15,029 S2: woman sets up her family, particularly her children, such that 670 00:37:15,030 --> 00:37:18,270 S2: they cannot live without her. They so need her that 671 00:37:18,270 --> 00:37:22,910 S2: they never become independent. And the relationship becomes very dysfunctional. 672 00:37:23,590 --> 00:37:27,110 S2: And there can be patterns relative to anger patterns and 673 00:37:27,110 --> 00:37:31,870 S2: and frustration patterns and anxiety patterns. There can be all 674 00:37:31,870 --> 00:37:35,550 S2: kinds of ways that people bring, uh, negative stuff with 675 00:37:35,550 --> 00:37:40,710 S2: them into the workplace and it sabotages, um, their efforts there. 676 00:37:40,950 --> 00:37:43,509 S2: And so you're absolutely right. Uh, people want to be 677 00:37:43,510 --> 00:37:46,670 S2: on the lookout for what negative patterns am I also bringing? 678 00:37:47,150 --> 00:37:50,470 S1: That's doctor Bill Hendricks, our featured resource at Chris Fabry 679 00:37:50,469 --> 00:37:54,390 S1: live.org is the book he wrote. The person called you. 680 00:37:54,750 --> 00:37:58,710 S1: Our conversation today here on Labor Day happened 12 years 681 00:37:58,710 --> 00:38:03,390 S1: ago in September of 2014. But I think it's so 682 00:38:03,390 --> 00:38:05,910 S1: appropriate for you and me today. So go to the 683 00:38:05,910 --> 00:38:08,950 S1: website and think about this in the break. If you 684 00:38:08,950 --> 00:38:12,990 S1: have somebody that you care deeply about who cannot find 685 00:38:13,030 --> 00:38:16,549 S1: their giftedness. What do you do? How do you help? 686 00:38:16,590 --> 00:38:28,629 S1: You'll find out straight ahead on Moody Radio. We are 687 00:38:28,630 --> 00:38:31,790 S1: just scratching the surface of this conversation with Bill Hendricks 688 00:38:31,790 --> 00:38:35,109 S1: about the person called you. That's our featured resource. You 689 00:38:35,110 --> 00:38:39,270 S1: can find out more about it@chris.org. Bill Hendricks is president 690 00:38:39,270 --> 00:38:42,310 S1: of the Giftedness Center, and he's the author of that 691 00:38:42,310 --> 00:38:46,069 S1: featured resource today, the person called you. Let's go back 692 00:38:46,070 --> 00:38:48,230 S1: to your calls. And here's one that I think a 693 00:38:48,270 --> 00:38:50,750 S1: lot of people will identify with. Yvonne is on the 694 00:38:50,750 --> 00:38:52,950 S1: line from Vermont. Hi, Yvonne. Go right ahead. 695 00:38:53,310 --> 00:38:57,029 S6: Hi. Thank you for taking my call. I appreciate you 696 00:38:57,070 --> 00:39:00,750 S6: discussing this so much. And, Bill, I just find it 697 00:39:00,750 --> 00:39:04,710 S6: amazing that you just brought up the artist, the Potter, 698 00:39:04,870 --> 00:39:09,190 S6: and you actually misspoke after that, said Potter. Again, because 699 00:39:09,190 --> 00:39:12,660 S6: my husband is a potter. He's an artist, he's also 700 00:39:12,660 --> 00:39:18,140 S6: a teacher, and he's never found the perfect job. He's 701 00:39:18,140 --> 00:39:21,020 S6: 54 and he's never found the perfect job, the perfect 702 00:39:21,020 --> 00:39:24,140 S6: marriage of teaching. He's always wanted to teach at the 703 00:39:24,140 --> 00:39:29,859 S6: collegiate level in pottery and sculpture, and he's at a 704 00:39:29,860 --> 00:39:34,779 S6: high school, an academy here in Vermont. But just this 705 00:39:34,780 --> 00:39:37,779 S6: morning we were talking again about how dissatisfied he is 706 00:39:37,780 --> 00:39:40,980 S6: with life and how he's really done with teaching. And he, 707 00:39:41,420 --> 00:39:45,500 S6: you know, as potters get older, they can't use their 708 00:39:45,500 --> 00:39:49,580 S6: hands as well. So he's the first one I'm concerned about. 709 00:39:49,580 --> 00:39:52,660 S6: The second one is my daughter, who's 27, who seems 710 00:39:52,660 --> 00:40:00,020 S6: to be making her life a unending, um, collegiate life. 711 00:40:00,460 --> 00:40:04,980 S6: She's 27, will graduate in a year with her BA 712 00:40:05,380 --> 00:40:08,660 S6: and several associate's degrees. 713 00:40:09,060 --> 00:40:11,660 S7: Okay. Let me, let me let me step in here because. 714 00:40:11,900 --> 00:40:14,420 S1: I want to. We've just got a limited amount of time. 715 00:40:14,420 --> 00:40:17,660 S1: I'm intrigued what Bill will say about your husband, though. 716 00:40:17,940 --> 00:40:21,420 S1: Let's focus in on that bill. If you really click 717 00:40:21,420 --> 00:40:24,980 S1: with his situation, because he's getting a little older and 718 00:40:24,980 --> 00:40:29,060 S1: he's had this dream and he knows what charges him up, 719 00:40:29,060 --> 00:40:31,940 S1: what would you say about a husband and a wife 720 00:40:31,940 --> 00:40:33,300 S1: trying to encourage him? 721 00:40:34,780 --> 00:40:39,380 S2: Well, first of all, I'm glad you're trying to encourage him. Uh, secondly, again, uh, 722 00:40:39,500 --> 00:40:41,339 S2: I'm not just trying to sell books here, but I 723 00:40:41,340 --> 00:40:44,020 S2: wrote this book in part for in large part for 724 00:40:44,020 --> 00:40:47,340 S2: people exactly like your husband, you know, who are, who are, 725 00:40:47,700 --> 00:40:49,660 S2: you know, they've got this idea, but they just can't 726 00:40:49,660 --> 00:40:52,540 S2: seem to put it together. And they're feeling really discouraged. 727 00:40:52,820 --> 00:40:54,980 S2: And I also wrote it for people that work and 728 00:40:54,980 --> 00:40:59,860 S2: live with people in this boat, which is you, uh, um, Yvonne. 729 00:40:59,860 --> 00:41:03,620 S2: So I, I really appreciate your question. You know, he, 730 00:41:03,700 --> 00:41:08,180 S2: he's identified the teaching and the pottery, I guess what 731 00:41:08,180 --> 00:41:12,020 S2: I would say is that, you know, there's other forms 732 00:41:12,140 --> 00:41:17,420 S2: of expressing his particular giftedness than just teaching her pottery. 733 00:41:17,460 --> 00:41:21,820 S2: In other words, I understand when when a potter's hands 734 00:41:21,820 --> 00:41:25,020 S2: start to get old and and they can't throw the 735 00:41:25,100 --> 00:41:28,140 S2: the clay quite as well as they used to. But 736 00:41:28,140 --> 00:41:30,739 S2: the gift is not in the pottery, it's in the person. 737 00:41:31,219 --> 00:41:34,580 S2: And it may be that he has to give up pottery, 738 00:41:34,820 --> 00:41:40,700 S2: but I, I know that there's some other creative expression 739 00:41:41,219 --> 00:41:46,140 S2: that probably he can find. It could be through writing. 740 00:41:46,140 --> 00:41:49,739 S2: It could be through music. It could be through, you know, 741 00:41:49,780 --> 00:41:53,580 S2: some other form of art or music that he is 742 00:41:53,580 --> 00:41:57,020 S2: still able to express this energy that's in him. Now, 743 00:41:57,020 --> 00:42:00,060 S2: the teaching is probably quite close to, you know, what 744 00:42:00,060 --> 00:42:02,819 S2: that gift really is, but we can use teachers all 745 00:42:02,820 --> 00:42:06,250 S2: over the place. Uh, you know, not just in pottery, 746 00:42:06,250 --> 00:42:08,410 S2: but in just about every field of endeavor if he 747 00:42:08,410 --> 00:42:11,089 S2: likes to cause learning to take place. So I guess 748 00:42:11,090 --> 00:42:13,129 S2: what I'd say is, even if the dream that he 749 00:42:13,130 --> 00:42:16,610 S2: had of teaching pottery at the at the college level 750 00:42:16,610 --> 00:42:19,650 S2: seems to be dimming, um, he, he still needs to 751 00:42:19,650 --> 00:42:22,529 S2: hold out a vision for his life in terms of 752 00:42:22,530 --> 00:42:25,049 S2: a purpose that, you know, I'm going to continue to 753 00:42:25,090 --> 00:42:28,489 S2: try to find ways to, to cause others to learn 754 00:42:28,770 --> 00:42:31,569 S2: and to, uh, and to be creative in how I 755 00:42:31,570 --> 00:42:32,290 S2: do that. 756 00:42:32,730 --> 00:42:36,450 S1: And it sounds like, uh, Bill, she can uniquely see 757 00:42:36,450 --> 00:42:38,770 S1: this both in her husband as well as in her, 758 00:42:39,050 --> 00:42:42,650 S1: the two children that she's talking about. Yeah. And so 759 00:42:42,650 --> 00:42:44,850 S1: if you'll hang on, Yvonne, we're going to send you 760 00:42:44,850 --> 00:42:47,690 S1: a copy of this book the person called you. I 761 00:42:47,730 --> 00:42:49,890 S1: hope it'll encourage you as it's doing to a lot 762 00:42:49,890 --> 00:42:52,370 S1: of people here today. Just the conversation. Let me go 763 00:42:52,370 --> 00:42:54,530 S1: to Terry in Ohio. Terry. Go right ahead. 764 00:42:55,570 --> 00:42:58,009 S8: Hi, Chris. Thank you for taking my call. I try 765 00:42:58,050 --> 00:43:01,089 S8: to make this quick. Uh, when I graduated from high 766 00:43:01,090 --> 00:43:05,050 S8: school in the early 80s, uh, the big talk was computers. 767 00:43:05,050 --> 00:43:08,610 S8: Computers get into that. So I went to college for 768 00:43:08,730 --> 00:43:11,770 S8: thinking I wanted to get into computers and there was 769 00:43:11,770 --> 00:43:14,410 S8: just no focus because I. It wasn't really what my 770 00:43:14,410 --> 00:43:17,810 S8: my gift was. It didn't work out. So at the 771 00:43:17,810 --> 00:43:19,969 S8: time I was working at a supermarket and I thought, 772 00:43:19,969 --> 00:43:21,850 S8: I don't want to do this the rest of my life. 773 00:43:22,130 --> 00:43:25,250 S8: So I thought, what, what gifts do I have? And 774 00:43:25,290 --> 00:43:26,969 S8: I look back, I said, well, what courses did I 775 00:43:26,969 --> 00:43:28,810 S8: like taking in high school? And I thought I always 776 00:43:28,810 --> 00:43:31,570 S8: liked taking the drafting courses and the in the shop class. 777 00:43:32,010 --> 00:43:35,649 S8: So I went to a technical school for drafting and 778 00:43:36,690 --> 00:43:39,049 S8: a year of that. And then was, uh, was able 779 00:43:39,050 --> 00:43:44,210 S8: to get a job, uh, from there. Uh, I interviewed 780 00:43:44,210 --> 00:43:46,129 S8: for a company. They said, yeah, you know, why don't 781 00:43:46,130 --> 00:43:49,050 S8: you work for us? And it was something different than, uh, 782 00:43:49,170 --> 00:43:53,490 S8: the architectural drafting I wanted to get into. And, uh, 783 00:43:54,090 --> 00:43:55,450 S8: they said, well, why don't you just work for us 784 00:43:55,450 --> 00:43:56,850 S8: until you find what you want to do? Well, I 785 00:43:56,850 --> 00:43:58,689 S8: stayed there for a year and a half, then moved 786 00:43:58,690 --> 00:44:02,050 S8: on to something else for ten years that didn't work out. 787 00:44:02,489 --> 00:44:04,360 S8: And the reason why I was at that company was 788 00:44:04,360 --> 00:44:06,440 S8: I didn't think I could sell myself anywhere else. So 789 00:44:06,440 --> 00:44:10,400 S8: I called the company that I was with after my 790 00:44:10,400 --> 00:44:15,000 S8: drafting classes, and they were doing computer graphics now and 791 00:44:15,280 --> 00:44:17,360 S8: got into that, but it was all because I wanted 792 00:44:17,360 --> 00:44:19,760 S8: to get into drafting and I followed my my dream 793 00:44:19,760 --> 00:44:22,319 S8: of that. And it's all worked out. And I look 794 00:44:22,320 --> 00:44:24,719 S8: back and say, God had to have a hand in it. 795 00:44:24,719 --> 00:44:28,359 S8: Because ultimately my main goal was I wanted to get 796 00:44:28,360 --> 00:44:32,400 S8: into drafting, but I ended up on computers doing drafting. 797 00:44:32,960 --> 00:44:35,880 S8: But it was the long way. It was the way 798 00:44:36,000 --> 00:44:37,040 S8: God wanted me to do it. 799 00:44:37,080 --> 00:44:37,440 S1: And what. 800 00:44:37,440 --> 00:44:37,880 S8: A gift. 801 00:44:37,920 --> 00:44:40,160 S1: Incredible to be able to say that, you know, to 802 00:44:40,200 --> 00:44:42,840 S1: be able to stop doing that and go a different direction, 803 00:44:42,840 --> 00:44:45,680 S1: that takes faith in a sense. Bill, you want to 804 00:44:45,680 --> 00:44:46,360 S1: respond to that? 805 00:44:47,640 --> 00:44:51,799 S2: Well, absolutely shows the sovereignty of God. And, um, it 806 00:44:51,800 --> 00:44:56,839 S2: also shows something, Terry, that, uh, really began to surface back, uh, 807 00:44:56,880 --> 00:44:59,320 S2: when in Ivan's call, when she talked about her 27 808 00:44:59,320 --> 00:45:02,280 S2: year old daughter who's still trying to finish college. Our 809 00:45:02,280 --> 00:45:04,439 S2: culture doesn't know how to get people from high school 810 00:45:04,440 --> 00:45:08,880 S2: graduation into the adult world of work. And, uh, and 811 00:45:10,200 --> 00:45:12,879 S2: earlier in the program, Chris mentioned putting the ladder up 812 00:45:12,880 --> 00:45:15,920 S2: against the wrong wall. So when you went to college, 813 00:45:15,920 --> 00:45:18,040 S2: somebody said, oh, well, there'll be a lot of jobs 814 00:45:18,040 --> 00:45:20,440 S2: in computers. And so you went into that field. Well, 815 00:45:20,600 --> 00:45:22,680 S2: in a way, they were just setting the ladder up. 816 00:45:22,680 --> 00:45:27,799 S2: But nobody considered our computers something that, uh, Terry, you know, 817 00:45:27,840 --> 00:45:30,120 S2: really is all about. I mean, is that is that 818 00:45:30,120 --> 00:45:35,399 S2: a good path for him? And, uh, fortunately, nothing is 819 00:45:35,400 --> 00:45:38,720 S2: ever wasted. Your story, Terry, shows that nothing is ever wasted. 820 00:45:38,719 --> 00:45:41,160 S2: God uses it all, even though in the moment we 821 00:45:41,160 --> 00:45:44,640 S2: can't necessarily see it. I feel like this piece of 822 00:45:44,680 --> 00:45:48,960 S2: giftedness is so important, particularly for young adults. And I 823 00:45:48,960 --> 00:45:52,880 S2: mean starting at about age 1920, because they're making so 824 00:45:52,880 --> 00:45:58,960 S2: many choices about majors, careers, colleges, they really need direction. 825 00:45:58,960 --> 00:46:01,430 S2: And it starts with knowing who they are first. 826 00:46:01,590 --> 00:46:04,989 S1: Yes. Oh, and what a gift. What a gift this 827 00:46:04,989 --> 00:46:08,390 S1: would be to somebody to even sit down with them 828 00:46:08,390 --> 00:46:11,150 S1: as a mentor and start asking these kinds of questions 829 00:46:11,150 --> 00:46:13,669 S1: about the stories, you know, how do you feel when 830 00:46:13,670 --> 00:46:16,510 S1: you come alive and all of that? This just starts 831 00:46:16,510 --> 00:46:20,110 S1: me to thinking along those lines for our listeners, but 832 00:46:20,110 --> 00:46:23,710 S1: also for myself and my own kids. Bill, so thanks 833 00:46:23,710 --> 00:46:25,910 S1: for your work on this. God bless you. Come back 834 00:46:25,910 --> 00:46:27,070 S1: and see us again. Okay. 835 00:46:27,590 --> 00:46:29,270 S2: Hey, I look forward to it. Chris, thanks so much 836 00:46:29,270 --> 00:46:29,950 S2: for having me. 837 00:46:30,469 --> 00:46:33,509 S1: Bill Hendricks, author of the new book, which is the 838 00:46:33,510 --> 00:46:36,669 S1: person called You Why You're Here, Why You Matter and 839 00:46:36,670 --> 00:46:38,670 S1: What You Should Do with Your Life. Hope this is 840 00:46:38,670 --> 00:46:41,550 S1: an encouragement to you today. Find out more at Chris 841 00:46:41,590 --> 00:46:45,430 S1: Fabry live.org. Our program is production of Moody Radio, a 842 00:46:45,430 --> 00:46:48,509 S1: Ministry of Moody Bible Institute. Thanks for listening.