1 00:00:06,400 --> 00:00:08,440 S1: Today on Chris Fabry Live. It's the return of that 2 00:00:08,440 --> 00:00:12,240 S1: traveling troubadour of biblical imagination, the man who always takes 3 00:00:12,240 --> 00:00:14,280 S1: us to some good places of the heart as it 4 00:00:14,280 --> 00:00:18,720 S1: concerns the passion of Jesus. I'm talking about singer songwriter, author, 5 00:00:18,720 --> 00:00:22,360 S1: Bible teacher Michael Card in the House today, and we're 6 00:00:22,360 --> 00:00:24,920 S1: going to keep the tradition going for a number of years. 7 00:00:24,920 --> 00:00:28,080 S1: Michael has joined us during Holy Week to look at 8 00:00:28,080 --> 00:00:31,560 S1: the cross centered focus of Christ and what that says 9 00:00:31,560 --> 00:00:34,159 S1: to you and me today. So if you have a 10 00:00:34,159 --> 00:00:36,599 S1: question or comment, maybe you've been going through the Gospels 11 00:00:36,600 --> 00:00:39,760 S1: and something has jumped out to you this year. Call 12 00:00:39,760 --> 00:00:42,000 S1: us today and you will get to talk with the 13 00:00:42,000 --> 00:00:44,640 S1: one and only Michael Card. I put this question up 14 00:00:44,640 --> 00:00:46,800 S1: on Facebook. This might be a good place for us 15 00:00:46,800 --> 00:00:50,839 S1: to start today. What moment during Passion Week do you 16 00:00:50,840 --> 00:00:56,800 S1: wish you could experience in person? What moment during Passion 17 00:00:56,800 --> 00:01:04,670 S1: Week do you wish you could experience? Here's the number (877) 548-3675. 18 00:01:04,709 --> 00:01:08,149 S1: Or you can go to the website chris.org. Respond on 19 00:01:08,150 --> 00:01:10,789 S1: Facebook and let's see what will happen. What good things 20 00:01:10,790 --> 00:01:13,590 S1: will happen today when we talk with Michael. We'll do 21 00:01:13,590 --> 00:01:15,990 S1: that right after. I thank our team. Ryan McConaughey doing 22 00:01:15,990 --> 00:01:19,390 S1: all things technical. Tricia is our producer. Lisa is helping out. 23 00:01:19,390 --> 00:01:22,869 S1: Josh will be answering your calls. Caleb's here too. And 24 00:01:22,870 --> 00:01:25,190 S1: today is the last day of our special offer on 25 00:01:25,190 --> 00:01:29,230 S1: Colleen Chow's excellent book on our way home. She has 26 00:01:29,230 --> 00:01:33,069 S1: had a terminal diagnosis for about four years now, and 27 00:01:33,069 --> 00:01:36,270 S1: that has caused her to do some deep contemplation about 28 00:01:36,270 --> 00:01:39,950 S1: what's ahead for her in heaven. And I would love 29 00:01:39,950 --> 00:01:42,310 S1: to send you a copy of that book, but today 30 00:01:42,310 --> 00:01:45,190 S1: is the last day to receive one. As you give 31 00:01:45,190 --> 00:01:48,070 S1: a gift of any size to keep this program going, 32 00:01:48,110 --> 00:01:51,950 S1: it's easy. Just go to Chris Fabry dot f a 33 00:01:51,990 --> 00:01:57,309 S1: b r y Chris Fabry dot give right there. We're 34 00:01:57,310 --> 00:02:00,810 S1: still short a little short of our people goal. This 35 00:02:00,810 --> 00:02:03,450 S1: month we have a financial goal and then a number 36 00:02:03,450 --> 00:02:06,370 S1: of people getting involved. So help us make up the 37 00:02:06,370 --> 00:02:10,210 S1: difference today, the last day for Colleen's book on our 38 00:02:10,210 --> 00:02:14,450 S1: way home, go to chris.org. Or if you call the 39 00:02:14,450 --> 00:02:25,049 S1: listener line, that number is 8669548669532279. Now here he is, 40 00:02:25,050 --> 00:02:27,410 S1: the man who helps us find joy in our journey. Biblical, 41 00:02:27,410 --> 00:02:32,730 S1: imaginative author, singer, songwriter, Bible teacher, the one and only 42 00:02:32,850 --> 00:02:36,770 S1: ladies and gentlemen, Michael Card. Michael, how you doing today? 43 00:02:37,330 --> 00:02:40,570 S2: You know, nobody introduces me the way you do. It's something. 44 00:02:43,010 --> 00:02:45,490 S1: I'm glad to do it. I'm glad. How are you doing? 45 00:02:45,530 --> 00:02:45,730 S2: Well. 46 00:02:45,730 --> 00:02:47,410 S1: Thank you. By the way, how are you. 47 00:02:47,410 --> 00:02:49,330 S2: Doing in the garden? I've been working in the garden 48 00:02:49,330 --> 00:02:52,850 S2: all day, so, um, it's nice to get get a 49 00:02:52,850 --> 00:02:56,450 S2: chance to stop and just, uh, talk about Jesus. 50 00:02:56,639 --> 00:02:59,359 S1: Yes. What are you doing in the garden? Just let 51 00:02:59,360 --> 00:02:59,679 S1: us know. 52 00:02:59,720 --> 00:03:02,240 S2: Well, we're. You know, we're kind of. We're coming to spring. 53 00:03:02,240 --> 00:03:04,800 S2: So basically, I was mowing, mowing all the all the 54 00:03:04,800 --> 00:03:10,720 S2: walkways and, uh, um, and the problem is these all 55 00:03:10,760 --> 00:03:13,760 S2: these rare my wife has a flower flower farm. And 56 00:03:13,760 --> 00:03:17,680 S2: so there's these rare flowers that are growing amidst all 57 00:03:17,680 --> 00:03:21,480 S2: of the high grass. And, uh, she has to point 58 00:03:21,480 --> 00:03:23,040 S2: them out to me or I just mow the whole 59 00:03:23,040 --> 00:03:23,680 S2: thing down. 60 00:03:23,680 --> 00:03:26,359 S1: So yeah. 61 00:03:26,400 --> 00:03:26,600 S2: So. 62 00:03:26,639 --> 00:03:26,919 S1: That's. 63 00:03:26,919 --> 00:03:27,560 S2: What I've been doing. 64 00:03:27,919 --> 00:03:30,480 S1: Okay. What kind of, what kind of mower do you have? 65 00:03:30,520 --> 00:03:32,120 S1: Do you have like a riding mower? 66 00:03:32,600 --> 00:03:34,800 S2: No, no, no, this no, this is just a push mower. 67 00:03:34,840 --> 00:03:36,840 S2: You you could you could never get a riding mower 68 00:03:36,840 --> 00:03:41,520 S2: in these little narrow walkways in between the rows. But then. 69 00:03:41,520 --> 00:03:43,120 S2: Then I'll have to get in there with a tiller 70 00:03:43,120 --> 00:03:46,440 S2: pretty soon. And, you know, it's just, uh, there's just 71 00:03:46,440 --> 00:03:47,200 S2: always something. 72 00:03:47,600 --> 00:03:50,880 S1: Yeah. Yeah. Well, it is a treat to get to 73 00:03:50,880 --> 00:03:55,390 S1: talk with you, especially during Holy Week. And I wonder Yeah, 74 00:03:55,430 --> 00:03:58,110 S1: how you would answer that question. And before I ask 75 00:03:58,110 --> 00:04:01,750 S1: you the question, when we say Holy Week, when does 76 00:04:01,750 --> 00:04:05,270 S1: that start? Is that the triumphal entry? Is it Palm Sunday? 77 00:04:06,070 --> 00:04:08,910 S2: Yeah, yeah. It starts it starts with the triumphal entry 78 00:04:08,910 --> 00:04:10,390 S2: and it ends with the resurrection. 79 00:04:10,910 --> 00:04:15,510 S1: Okay. So so I want to know what moment during 80 00:04:15,510 --> 00:04:18,510 S1: that week from not the resurrection. You can't go there. 81 00:04:18,670 --> 00:04:24,510 S1: What moment from Palm Sunday on before the resurrection would 82 00:04:24,510 --> 00:04:27,510 S1: you love to experience in person? 83 00:04:28,550 --> 00:04:33,750 S2: I would, I would definitely say on Thursday, Last Supper, 84 00:04:33,910 --> 00:04:36,909 S2: when Jesus washed their feet after the Last Supper, I would. 85 00:04:36,910 --> 00:04:39,390 S2: I would have loved to have been part of that. Why? 86 00:04:39,430 --> 00:04:41,110 S2: I can't imagine what that must have been like. 87 00:04:42,630 --> 00:04:46,390 S1: Why? Why is. Why would you want that instead of 88 00:04:46,390 --> 00:04:47,710 S1: everything else that week? 89 00:04:48,750 --> 00:04:53,590 S2: Well, um, it I don't know, that's just it's a 90 00:04:53,589 --> 00:04:58,940 S2: moment like unlike any, any moment. Uh, in, in the Gospels, 91 00:04:58,940 --> 00:05:02,580 S2: it's it's the here's the Lord of glory who is, 92 00:05:02,779 --> 00:05:06,339 S2: you know, the king who, uh, who spoke, you know, 93 00:05:06,500 --> 00:05:11,380 S2: spoke the universe into existence, uh, washing their feet. And 94 00:05:11,380 --> 00:05:15,659 S2: this isn't a, this isn't a ceremonial anointing. This is 95 00:05:15,660 --> 00:05:18,540 S2: what slaves do where he's, you know, washing in with 96 00:05:18,580 --> 00:05:21,500 S2: the funk out between your in between your toes and 97 00:05:21,900 --> 00:05:24,260 S2: and he's got the towel wrapped around his waist that 98 00:05:24,260 --> 00:05:26,219 S2: he's drying your feet with. He really is doing what 99 00:05:26,220 --> 00:05:33,780 S2: a slave does. And, and when Peter, you know, protests, um, 100 00:05:34,140 --> 00:05:37,300 S2: Jesus in essence says, if you don't, if you don't 101 00:05:37,300 --> 00:05:41,460 S2: get this, you don't get me. And and that's why I, 102 00:05:41,460 --> 00:05:45,299 S2: that's where I would like to have seen that. Um, 103 00:05:45,820 --> 00:05:49,099 S2: because that, that really is, uh, that's this moment where 104 00:05:49,100 --> 00:05:52,339 S2: you really see the heart of Jesus, who's the servant Lord. 105 00:05:52,339 --> 00:05:57,599 S2: He's His lordship is absolute. Absolute. But his heart is 106 00:05:57,600 --> 00:06:00,599 S2: the heart of a servant. And, uh, so I think 107 00:06:00,600 --> 00:06:05,799 S2: that that unlike any other moment, uh, during the passion week, uh, 108 00:06:05,800 --> 00:06:07,239 S2: I would have liked to seen that. 109 00:06:07,600 --> 00:06:12,200 S1: MM. And you know what? Uh, as I read that story, I, 110 00:06:12,800 --> 00:06:15,159 S1: I project onto it and the way that I would 111 00:06:15,160 --> 00:06:18,640 S1: do it if it had been me there who was, 112 00:06:18,680 --> 00:06:21,120 S1: you know, nobody had washed their feet. I would get 113 00:06:21,120 --> 00:06:25,200 S1: up and gird myself. And, you know, you guys didn't 114 00:06:25,200 --> 00:06:28,159 S1: get it. You know, you're not getting it. And so 115 00:06:28,200 --> 00:06:31,400 S1: I'd put all this guilt on everybody else for not 116 00:06:31,400 --> 00:06:34,280 S1: doing what some some of them should have done and 117 00:06:34,279 --> 00:06:38,200 S1: should have seen they didn't. But I don't I don't 118 00:06:38,200 --> 00:06:43,440 S1: see guilt on that. Jesus is doing this to guilt them. 119 00:06:44,120 --> 00:06:47,599 S2: Oh, no. Absolutely not. It's it's a he. John says 120 00:06:47,600 --> 00:06:51,480 S2: this is him showing the the full extent of his love. Yeah. And, 121 00:06:51,520 --> 00:06:53,590 S2: you know, I asked people the full extent of his love. 122 00:06:53,589 --> 00:06:56,750 S2: That's a Jesus. That's a lot of love, right? The 123 00:06:56,750 --> 00:07:00,110 S2: full extent of Jesus love is that a lot of love. 124 00:07:00,150 --> 00:07:02,710 S2: That's a lot of love. And how does he do it? He, 125 00:07:02,910 --> 00:07:08,790 S2: he expresses it by, um, doing what slaves do. And again, 126 00:07:08,790 --> 00:07:13,350 S2: this isn't ceremonial cleansing. This is a slave washing their feet. 127 00:07:13,390 --> 00:07:16,150 S2: You know, donkey, donkey poop, you know that you you 128 00:07:16,190 --> 00:07:18,910 S2: stepped in on the way there or that kind of stuff. 129 00:07:19,270 --> 00:07:23,350 S2: This is, uh, this is absolutely what slaves do. And, 130 00:07:23,590 --> 00:07:26,950 S2: and I always identify with Peter because I would have said, 131 00:07:27,150 --> 00:07:30,390 S2: there's no way I'm going to let you do this, right? 132 00:07:30,430 --> 00:07:35,150 S2: I mean, I, I admire Peter for that, but then 133 00:07:35,150 --> 00:07:38,070 S2: Jesus says, you know, if you don't, we have nothing 134 00:07:38,070 --> 00:07:39,430 S2: to do with each other. If you don't, if you 135 00:07:39,430 --> 00:07:41,230 S2: don't let me do this to you, you don't get me. 136 00:07:41,230 --> 00:07:44,310 S2: This is who I am. And, uh, and that's why 137 00:07:44,310 --> 00:07:46,670 S2: I think that's really one of the other than the 138 00:07:46,670 --> 00:07:48,990 S2: cross and the resurrection, of course. I think the washing 139 00:07:49,030 --> 00:07:51,340 S2: of the disciples feet is really one of the defining 140 00:07:51,340 --> 00:07:55,900 S2: moments of, of his ministry and of his life. And, and, 141 00:07:56,220 --> 00:07:59,100 S2: and so what I tell people is if what you 142 00:07:59,100 --> 00:08:02,420 S2: do in ministry can't be understood as washing feet and 143 00:08:02,420 --> 00:08:05,980 S2: do something else. So if you're a preacher, if your 144 00:08:05,980 --> 00:08:09,940 S2: sermons aren't water to wash people's feet, or if you're 145 00:08:09,940 --> 00:08:13,780 S2: a musician and your music isn't water to wash people's feet, 146 00:08:13,780 --> 00:08:17,500 S2: then do something else. If your radio show isn't water 147 00:08:17,500 --> 00:08:19,540 S2: to wash people's feet, then do something else. 148 00:08:20,940 --> 00:08:25,220 S1: That's really good. Um, and, and the other aspect of that, 149 00:08:25,260 --> 00:08:29,660 S1: I'm looking at John 13. Before the Passover festival, Jesus 150 00:08:29,660 --> 00:08:32,420 S1: knew that his hour had come to depart from this 151 00:08:32,420 --> 00:08:36,140 S1: world to the father, having loved his own who were 152 00:08:36,140 --> 00:08:39,860 S1: in the world, he loved them to the end. And 153 00:08:39,860 --> 00:08:43,340 S1: that is part of what you're talking about there. So 154 00:08:43,340 --> 00:08:47,020 S1: I get what you would say. That's what Michael would want. 155 00:08:47,059 --> 00:08:49,970 S1: And here's the other thing about Peter. So when Jesus says, 156 00:08:50,010 --> 00:08:52,490 S1: you know, if I don't wash you. And then Peter says, well, 157 00:08:52,490 --> 00:08:54,569 S1: give me a bath. Then, you know, he's just like. 158 00:08:54,610 --> 00:08:57,370 S1: Call me out onto the water. Peter is all in 159 00:08:58,010 --> 00:09:02,210 S1: as much as he can. I'll never, you know, forsake you. I'll, I'll, 160 00:09:02,250 --> 00:09:07,370 S1: I'll never betray you. But then he does. And, um, 161 00:09:07,530 --> 00:09:10,410 S1: and and that's another thing that we can talk about too. 162 00:09:10,650 --> 00:09:13,170 S1: That's after the resurrection. Okay. Michael Card is with us. 163 00:09:13,170 --> 00:09:15,450 S1: What moment during Passion Week do you wish you could 164 00:09:15,450 --> 00:09:18,410 S1: experience in person? I got open lines for you right 165 00:09:18,410 --> 00:09:25,569 S1: now at (877) 548-3675. Or you have a question about Jesus 166 00:09:25,570 --> 00:09:29,449 S1: during that last week of his earthly ministry as he 167 00:09:29,450 --> 00:09:35,610 S1: was alive and he's still alive, he is risen. Uh 8775. Four. 168 00:09:35,650 --> 00:09:47,610 S1: Eight three. Six. Seven. Five. The one the only Michael 169 00:09:47,670 --> 00:09:50,670 S1: Carter is back with us today at the radio backyard fence. 170 00:09:51,070 --> 00:09:54,190 S1: Our number's open. What moment during Passion Week do you 171 00:09:54,190 --> 00:10:00,150 S1: wish you could experience in person? Eight. Seven. 75483675. Or 172 00:10:00,190 --> 00:10:03,910 S1: if you have a question for Michael about anything in 173 00:10:03,950 --> 00:10:08,190 S1: the Gospels as it pertains to about this time of 174 00:10:08,590 --> 00:10:14,910 S1: of Jesus life and ministry, call that number (877) 548-3675. You 175 00:10:14,950 --> 00:10:18,350 S1: were mentioning to me off the air that you in 176 00:10:18,390 --> 00:10:23,030 S1: in your church you're looking at specifically at Peter and 177 00:10:23,030 --> 00:10:25,750 S1: what happened to him during this week. Tell me more 178 00:10:25,750 --> 00:10:26,350 S1: about that. 179 00:10:26,390 --> 00:10:29,710 S2: Yeah, well, I've been doing just on Wednesday night, I 180 00:10:29,710 --> 00:10:32,070 S2: do the Wednesday night at my church and, uh, we've 181 00:10:32,070 --> 00:10:34,430 S2: been doing the life of Peter. And I thought, well, 182 00:10:34,429 --> 00:10:38,709 S2: it'd be interesting, uh, on the Wednesday of Passion week, um, 183 00:10:39,470 --> 00:10:42,190 S2: which is kind of the silent day. It's kind of 184 00:10:42,230 --> 00:10:46,270 S2: when the plot kind of comes together. Um, it would 185 00:10:46,380 --> 00:10:50,100 S2: be interesting to look at Peter's experience during during the 186 00:10:50,100 --> 00:10:53,900 S2: week and, uh, you know, the denials and, and all 187 00:10:53,900 --> 00:10:57,620 S2: that he went through and the turnaround that he makes. Um, 188 00:10:58,980 --> 00:11:00,699 S2: so that's what we're doing. 189 00:11:01,860 --> 00:11:04,580 S1: And there is a, there's a huge turnaround, a huge 190 00:11:04,580 --> 00:11:09,420 S1: lesson because Peter and Judas are a lot alike in, 191 00:11:09,580 --> 00:11:11,220 S1: in some ways, right? 192 00:11:11,260 --> 00:11:14,500 S2: Yes. Yeah. Well, think about it. They both betray Jesus. 193 00:11:14,700 --> 00:11:18,140 S2: One of them tries to fix it and one of 194 00:11:18,140 --> 00:11:21,820 S2: them weeps and repents. Okay? Judas tries to fix it 195 00:11:21,860 --> 00:11:24,340 S2: to give the money back, you know, and he ends up, 196 00:11:24,420 --> 00:11:27,980 S2: you know, killing himself. Peter just, you know, I mean, 197 00:11:28,220 --> 00:11:32,260 S2: weeps and repents and and, uh, and is restored, uh, 198 00:11:32,260 --> 00:11:38,180 S2: by Jesus. In fact, the first resurrection appearance, it it says, 199 00:11:38,220 --> 00:11:40,699 S2: and he and he appeared first to Peter that that 200 00:11:40,700 --> 00:11:43,580 S2: happens twice on the road to Emmaus. They say Jesus 201 00:11:43,620 --> 00:11:46,530 S2: is risen and has appeared to Peter, and at 1.1 202 00:11:46,530 --> 00:11:49,530 S2: of Paul's letters it may be Galatians. Paul says he 203 00:11:49,530 --> 00:11:53,970 S2: appeared first to Peter. So the first resurrection appearances to Peter. 204 00:11:53,970 --> 00:11:56,410 S2: And so. And we don't have. That's not the Bible. 205 00:11:56,410 --> 00:11:59,130 S2: I would give anything to know what they talked about, 206 00:11:59,130 --> 00:12:02,850 S2: but they must have talked about the denials because the 207 00:12:02,850 --> 00:12:05,890 S2: next time we see Peter in John 21, second miraculous 208 00:12:05,929 --> 00:12:09,170 S2: catch of fish, he sees Jesus on the seashore, and 209 00:12:09,170 --> 00:12:12,610 S2: he dives in the lake and swims to Jesus. So 210 00:12:12,610 --> 00:12:15,410 S2: I think they must have pretty definitively dealt with the 211 00:12:15,410 --> 00:12:20,090 S2: denials on that first, uh, first resurrection appearance, or he 212 00:12:20,090 --> 00:12:21,050 S2: wouldn't have done that. 213 00:12:21,210 --> 00:12:24,010 S1: Well, and the charcoal fire, which, you know, we're getting 214 00:12:24,010 --> 00:12:28,370 S1: past passion week, but, you know, it bears talking about 215 00:12:28,370 --> 00:12:33,689 S1: because of that restoration because and then, and then Peter 216 00:12:33,730 --> 00:12:36,450 S1: looking back at John and saying, what about him? You know, 217 00:12:36,490 --> 00:12:38,410 S1: that's a very human thing, isn't it? 218 00:12:38,970 --> 00:12:42,650 S2: Exactly. Yeah, yeah. What about him and and what had happened? 219 00:12:42,690 --> 00:12:46,470 S2: I think Jesus had basically armed Peter with the knowledge 220 00:12:46,470 --> 00:12:49,070 S2: of his own death. You will stretch out your hands. 221 00:12:49,070 --> 00:12:51,190 S2: It's kind of a vague reference to the fact that 222 00:12:51,190 --> 00:12:54,910 S2: Peter would be crucified. And, uh, yeah, I love that. 223 00:12:55,150 --> 00:12:57,110 S2: It's so much like Peter. I love it that I 224 00:12:57,110 --> 00:13:01,709 S2: love the consistency of characters over the four gospels. Peter 225 00:13:01,710 --> 00:13:04,750 S2: is always himself in Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John. He's 226 00:13:04,750 --> 00:13:07,910 S2: always the same person. It's not like anybody's making anything 227 00:13:07,950 --> 00:13:12,870 S2: up and they're all the same. They're all that way. And, uh, 228 00:13:12,870 --> 00:13:17,670 S2: and very, very much like Peter did. Well, what about him? Jesus. 229 00:13:18,030 --> 00:13:20,670 S2: Jesus is trying to focus. It's hard. Peter's a hard 230 00:13:20,670 --> 00:13:25,390 S2: person to get focused. So Jesus is saying, okay, you know, focus, Peter. 231 00:13:26,510 --> 00:13:28,790 S1: You know, near your focus in a lot of ways, 232 00:13:28,790 --> 00:13:32,470 S1: it's like herding cats, you know, and because we are 233 00:13:32,470 --> 00:13:35,550 S1: just like that, we're sheep, you know, and we need, 234 00:13:35,590 --> 00:13:38,670 S1: we need that shepherd's crook and go this way and 235 00:13:38,670 --> 00:13:42,780 S1: go that way. But I the thing that I keep 236 00:13:42,780 --> 00:13:48,020 S1: coming back to is the patience and the kindness of Jesus, 237 00:13:48,580 --> 00:13:53,660 S1: rather than anger. Bitter, you know. And of course, he 238 00:13:53,660 --> 00:13:56,300 S1: wouldn't be that way. But that that is, you know, 239 00:13:56,340 --> 00:13:58,580 S1: you're not getting it. Why aren't you getting it? You know, 240 00:13:58,620 --> 00:13:59,300 S1: grit my teeth. 241 00:13:59,340 --> 00:14:03,179 S2: Right? Right. Well, and, you know, and this Peter Bible 242 00:14:03,179 --> 00:14:06,059 S2: study I've been doing on Wednesday night, um, over and 243 00:14:06,059 --> 00:14:08,820 S2: over and over again, we'll, we'll give some example from 244 00:14:08,820 --> 00:14:10,940 S2: Peter's life and I'll look at the people. I'll say, 245 00:14:10,940 --> 00:14:13,540 S2: don't you roll your eyes at him. You would do 246 00:14:13,540 --> 00:14:17,020 S2: the same thing. Don't be rolling your eyes at Peter because, uh, 247 00:14:17,100 --> 00:14:19,820 S2: Peter has kind of become that focus, that person that 248 00:14:19,820 --> 00:14:23,740 S2: we sort of oh, old impetuous Peter. But no, Peter 249 00:14:23,740 --> 00:14:27,900 S2: was a very complex, I think complex person. And, you know, 250 00:14:27,940 --> 00:14:30,260 S2: he tells Jesus at one point, I'll die for you. 251 00:14:30,460 --> 00:14:32,940 S2: And I know he I know he betrays him under 252 00:14:32,940 --> 00:14:37,340 S2: the pressure, right. That that night. But, um, the truth 253 00:14:37,340 --> 00:14:39,740 S2: is he did die for Jesus. He he gave everything 254 00:14:39,740 --> 00:14:43,850 S2: for Jesus. Yeah. Um, and so, uh. Yeah. Peters. Peters 255 00:14:44,050 --> 00:14:46,050 S2: have a soft spot in my heart for Peter. 256 00:14:46,250 --> 00:14:46,930 S3: Do you believe the. 257 00:14:46,930 --> 00:14:50,090 S1: Traditional upside down crucifixion for Peter? 258 00:14:50,650 --> 00:14:54,250 S2: That's pretty reliable. Yeah, I think that's pretty reliable. A 259 00:14:54,250 --> 00:14:57,290 S2: lot of the traditions about how the disciples died aren't 260 00:14:57,290 --> 00:15:01,090 S2: aren't that reliable. But it's clear that Peter, you know, 261 00:15:01,130 --> 00:15:03,890 S2: goes he ends up in Rome with with, uh, with 262 00:15:03,890 --> 00:15:08,850 S2: Paul and the persecution under Nero and Paul as a 263 00:15:08,850 --> 00:15:12,370 S2: Roman citizen gets beheaded and Peter gets crucified. And I 264 00:15:12,370 --> 00:15:14,530 S2: think the very fact that Jesus had told him all 265 00:15:14,530 --> 00:15:17,050 S2: those years ago, you'll stretch out your hand. There are two, 266 00:15:17,090 --> 00:15:20,650 S2: two metaphors for being crucified you to being stretched out 267 00:15:20,650 --> 00:15:23,170 S2: and to being lifted up. Those are the two metaphors. 268 00:15:23,410 --> 00:15:26,090 S2: And I think when Jesus says, you're going to stretch 269 00:15:26,090 --> 00:15:27,690 S2: out your hands and someone's going to lead you where 270 00:15:27,690 --> 00:15:29,810 S2: you don't want to go, I think that's a vague 271 00:15:29,810 --> 00:15:34,210 S2: reference to being crucified that I think Peter eventually understood, 272 00:15:34,530 --> 00:15:37,170 S2: so that when the time comes for him to be crucified, 273 00:15:37,170 --> 00:15:39,880 S2: he says, I'm not worthy to die the way Jesus 274 00:15:39,880 --> 00:15:45,400 S2: died and he apparently asked to be crucified upside down. Now, 275 00:15:45,400 --> 00:15:47,520 S2: that's not in the Bible, and I would never be 276 00:15:47,520 --> 00:15:50,720 S2: dogmatic about it, but I think it's a pretty reliable tradition. 277 00:15:51,400 --> 00:15:57,680 S1: That's Michael Card. Here's our number (877) 548-3675. What moment during 278 00:15:57,680 --> 00:16:00,760 S1: Passion Week do you wish you could experience in person? 279 00:16:00,920 --> 00:16:04,480 S1: Kelly is also in Tennessee today. Kelly go right ahead. 280 00:16:04,480 --> 00:16:05,800 S1: How do you answer that question? 281 00:16:06,480 --> 00:16:08,400 S4: Hey how are y'all doing? 282 00:16:08,400 --> 00:16:09,320 S1: Great. Thank you. 283 00:16:09,920 --> 00:16:13,560 S4: Good, good. My my what I would like to see 284 00:16:13,560 --> 00:16:15,040 S4: is Jesus clearing the temple. 285 00:16:15,880 --> 00:16:16,520 S2: Yes. 286 00:16:16,960 --> 00:16:20,200 S4: I would love to see him with grace and conviction 287 00:16:20,200 --> 00:16:25,320 S4: and love and courage. Make room for what really mattered 288 00:16:26,040 --> 00:16:27,560 S4: in the midst of all the chaos. 289 00:16:28,520 --> 00:16:31,280 S2: I that would be my second choice too. I would 290 00:16:31,320 --> 00:16:33,520 S2: have loved to have seen that. I would have loved 291 00:16:33,520 --> 00:16:36,800 S2: to see that moment, turning the tables over and get 292 00:16:36,800 --> 00:16:39,580 S2: these out of the out of here. And yeah, I'm 293 00:16:39,580 --> 00:16:40,820 S2: with you, I like that. 294 00:16:40,860 --> 00:16:44,180 S1: So there are two of those. There are two of those. 295 00:16:44,180 --> 00:16:47,020 S1: There's one at the beginning of Jesus ministry and then 296 00:16:47,020 --> 00:16:49,300 S1: one during Passion Week, right, Michael. 297 00:16:49,340 --> 00:16:52,540 S2: Right. John two has the first one, and then the 298 00:16:52,540 --> 00:16:55,180 S2: Synoptics have the second one. He did it twice. Yeah. 299 00:16:55,340 --> 00:16:58,380 S1: Okay. Uh, sorry to interrupt there, Kelly. Go ahead. 300 00:16:58,940 --> 00:17:00,980 S4: That's okay. I just think righteous anger is a powerful 301 00:17:00,980 --> 00:17:08,500 S4: thing and no one can say you're wrong. It's pretty powerful. 302 00:17:09,220 --> 00:17:09,620 S2: Yeah. 303 00:17:10,020 --> 00:17:11,820 S1: I'm glad you called. Kelly. Let me give you the 304 00:17:11,820 --> 00:17:17,220 S1: number (877) 548-3675. One moment during Passion Week do you wish 305 00:17:17,220 --> 00:17:21,060 S1: you could experience in person? Here is Mark. Mark. You 306 00:17:21,060 --> 00:17:24,140 S1: don't this is not about passion week, but it's about anger. 307 00:17:24,140 --> 00:17:26,660 S1: So it fits in here. Go ahead. 308 00:17:26,900 --> 00:17:30,140 S5: It's about it's about the pre resurrection resurrection. And I'd 309 00:17:30,140 --> 00:17:34,139 S5: like to point out that when Jesus says in the 310 00:17:34,140 --> 00:17:38,170 S5: clearing of the temple, zeal for your house shall consume me? 311 00:17:38,490 --> 00:17:44,210 S5: The original Greek is to boil. Jesus was boiling mad 312 00:17:45,570 --> 00:17:48,530 S5: and we don't like and we don't like that. Translators 313 00:17:48,530 --> 00:17:51,050 S5: have shied away from that. And that brings us to 314 00:17:51,090 --> 00:17:53,609 S5: the example I was going to cite. When Jesus is 315 00:17:53,609 --> 00:17:57,649 S5: outside of the tomb of Lazarus, there are a couple 316 00:17:57,650 --> 00:18:00,650 S5: of places where it says he was deeply moved or 317 00:18:00,650 --> 00:18:04,810 S5: he was indignant. And there's Tim Keller has pointed out 318 00:18:04,810 --> 00:18:07,050 S5: that anger is conveyed in the Greek. And I think 319 00:18:07,050 --> 00:18:10,570 S5: the translators don't want us to think that Jesus lost 320 00:18:10,570 --> 00:18:14,609 S5: his temper, but he was angry about death, because death 321 00:18:15,010 --> 00:18:18,290 S5: is a fold that has been injurious to us. And 322 00:18:18,730 --> 00:18:22,650 S5: when the when the text says that Jesus shouted for Lazarus, 323 00:18:22,650 --> 00:18:25,850 S5: come out, I think he kind of said, Lazarus, get 324 00:18:25,850 --> 00:18:28,130 S5: out of that tomb. You don't belong in there. 325 00:18:28,650 --> 00:18:33,810 S2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, I agree. And I think he he shudders. 326 00:18:34,290 --> 00:18:37,040 S2: He's so he, uh, was one of the words that 327 00:18:37,040 --> 00:18:42,120 S2: indicates he shudders. He's so, um, he's so emotionally caught up. 328 00:18:42,119 --> 00:18:45,000 S2: And I think you're right. It's this death impregnated world 329 00:18:45,560 --> 00:18:48,880 S2: that that he's just he and he's grieving and he's 330 00:18:48,920 --> 00:18:53,720 S2: angry and, um, I don't know. And, and he gets, 331 00:18:53,760 --> 00:18:57,840 S2: he gets, uh, emotional even, even before he raises Lazarus 332 00:18:57,840 --> 00:18:59,840 S2: knowing he's going to raise Lazarus. 333 00:19:00,359 --> 00:19:03,200 S1: Right. That was what I was just going to say. 334 00:19:03,400 --> 00:19:07,479 S1: It's like, there's, there's nothing here that is put on. 335 00:19:07,480 --> 00:19:13,080 S1: This is not Jesus crying crocodile tears or this anger 336 00:19:13,080 --> 00:19:16,399 S1: because I'll read it. I'm reading from the CSB with 337 00:19:16,400 --> 00:19:22,879 S1: a note from John 1133, when Jesus saw her crying, Mary, 338 00:19:22,920 --> 00:19:26,639 S1: I think, and the Jews who had come with her crying, 339 00:19:27,440 --> 00:19:30,679 S1: he was angry in his spirit. And the. And the 340 00:19:30,720 --> 00:19:33,320 S1: note says the Greek word is very strong and probably 341 00:19:33,320 --> 00:19:38,790 S1: indicates Jesus anger against sin's tyranny and death. So agreeing 342 00:19:38,790 --> 00:19:41,430 S1: with what you just said, Mark. But Jesus, he was 343 00:19:41,430 --> 00:19:46,510 S1: angry in his spirit and deeply moved. And then where 344 00:19:46,510 --> 00:19:49,870 S1: have you put him, Lord? They said, come and see. 345 00:19:50,310 --> 00:19:54,470 S1: And then verse 35, Jesus wept. So I think there 346 00:19:54,470 --> 00:19:57,750 S1: is that for me. If you ask my opinion, Mark, 347 00:19:57,910 --> 00:20:03,550 S1: there is all of the emotion, all of the emotional, the, the, 348 00:20:03,910 --> 00:20:06,710 S1: the feeling of this is not the way it was 349 00:20:06,710 --> 00:20:10,390 S1: meant to be. This is not the way that it 350 00:20:10,390 --> 00:20:13,190 S1: ought to be, but it is the way it is 351 00:20:13,190 --> 00:20:18,550 S1: because of sin and tyranny, because of death entering. And 352 00:20:18,710 --> 00:20:24,790 S1: the anger that is there then propels him. Michael, you see, 353 00:20:24,790 --> 00:20:28,270 S1: if you agree with this, propels him to the cross 354 00:20:28,470 --> 00:20:32,109 S1: because that is where he is going to be victorious 355 00:20:32,109 --> 00:20:35,370 S1: over death and hell and sin in the grave, right? 356 00:20:35,410 --> 00:20:39,129 S2: Yes. No. I would agree with that. But I think 357 00:20:39,170 --> 00:20:41,650 S2: that that that emotion, we don't we don't often sort 358 00:20:41,650 --> 00:20:46,650 S2: of connect with this, uh, this layer of Jesus. But 359 00:20:46,690 --> 00:20:52,290 S2: imagine being being perfect and, and living in, you know, 360 00:20:52,330 --> 00:20:55,290 S2: living in a situation where virtually, especially in the gospel 361 00:20:55,290 --> 00:20:59,810 S2: of John, virtually everything he says, they misunderstand. Yeah. I mean, 362 00:21:00,050 --> 00:21:02,610 S2: I would like to say everything he says, but at 363 00:21:02,609 --> 00:21:05,490 S2: one point he says, oh, you understand at last. And 364 00:21:05,490 --> 00:21:07,570 S2: maybe they understood or maybe they didn't. Maybe he was 365 00:21:07,570 --> 00:21:12,729 S2: being sarcastic, but, um, uh, but imagine, you know, three, well, 366 00:21:12,770 --> 00:21:15,810 S2: 33 years of that, but three years at the end, 367 00:21:15,850 --> 00:21:20,490 S2: intensively being under, being misunderstood, having someone plot to take 368 00:21:20,490 --> 00:21:23,970 S2: your life from before, from the time before you were born. 369 00:21:24,330 --> 00:21:27,850 S2: You know, he lives in this talk about death impregnated world. 370 00:21:27,850 --> 00:21:30,650 S2: There are people from Mach three, their plots to kill 371 00:21:30,650 --> 00:21:34,200 S2: him That that's the context that he lives, his lives, 372 00:21:34,200 --> 00:21:38,400 S2: his life in. And, um, that kind of dynamic. And 373 00:21:38,400 --> 00:21:41,080 S2: we have this gentle Jesus, meek and mild, you know, 374 00:21:41,640 --> 00:21:46,320 S2: auburn hair, blue eyes, kind of Jesus. And, uh, I don't, 375 00:21:46,320 --> 00:21:50,800 S2: I don't that's not the god, the Jesus of the Gospels. Um, 376 00:21:51,359 --> 00:21:52,080 S2: I don't know. 377 00:21:53,320 --> 00:21:53,639 S1: Okay. 378 00:21:53,680 --> 00:21:55,040 S2: He's a complex person. 379 00:21:55,440 --> 00:22:00,680 S1: John 12 then says, six days before the Passover, Jesus 380 00:22:00,680 --> 00:22:04,280 S1: came to Bethany, where Lazarus was the one Jesus had 381 00:22:04,280 --> 00:22:07,159 S1: raised from the dead. So is this during Passion Week? 382 00:22:07,920 --> 00:22:09,760 S2: No, no. It's before. 383 00:22:10,520 --> 00:22:12,760 S1: How? How much before? Like. 384 00:22:13,280 --> 00:22:16,080 S2: Like it's like a week. Week before or something. Yeah. 385 00:22:16,119 --> 00:22:20,200 S2: The Lazarus Lazarus being raised doesn't happen during passion week. 386 00:22:20,440 --> 00:22:21,240 S2: That that happens. 387 00:22:21,280 --> 00:22:24,760 S1: No, but but but it says six days before the Passover, 388 00:22:24,760 --> 00:22:30,590 S1: Jesus came to the dinner for Lazarus to Lazarus's house. Uh, 389 00:22:30,990 --> 00:22:33,590 S1: so we can, we can quibble about when that was. 390 00:22:33,590 --> 00:22:36,470 S1: If it's six days before Passover, does it Passover start 391 00:22:36,510 --> 00:22:39,110 S1: on Friday or is it on on Thursday? 392 00:22:40,430 --> 00:22:42,950 S2: Uh, you know, uh, I can't tell you for sure. 393 00:22:42,990 --> 00:22:45,950 S1: Okay. All right, all right. Um, but anyway, this is 394 00:22:45,950 --> 00:22:47,830 S1: where I would like to be. I want to be 395 00:22:47,869 --> 00:22:50,790 S1: at the dinner. I want to be at the dinner 396 00:22:51,030 --> 00:22:56,510 S1: for Lazarus after he's been raised from the dead. When 397 00:22:56,550 --> 00:23:03,190 S1: Mary brings the fragrant oil. And then immediately after that, the, uh, 398 00:23:03,270 --> 00:23:05,950 S1: the Jews, who were a large crowd of the Jews 399 00:23:05,990 --> 00:23:08,990 S1: learned that he was there. They came not only because 400 00:23:08,990 --> 00:23:11,389 S1: of Jesus, but also to see Lazarus, the one he 401 00:23:11,390 --> 00:23:15,750 S1: had raised from the dead. Therefore, the chief priests decided 402 00:23:15,750 --> 00:23:19,070 S1: to kill Lazarus also because he was the reason many 403 00:23:19,070 --> 00:23:21,910 S1: of them were deserting them and believing in Jesus. 404 00:23:22,590 --> 00:23:25,510 S2: Yeah. And I believe Lazarus is with Jesus at the 405 00:23:25,510 --> 00:23:28,429 S2: triumphal entry on the first day of on on that 406 00:23:28,430 --> 00:23:32,100 S2: Palm Sunday. Uh, I think there was a blind guy, 407 00:23:32,100 --> 00:23:34,180 S2: and there's a guy that was dead that's been raised 408 00:23:34,180 --> 00:23:37,620 S2: from the dead that that are with him. And, uh, that's, 409 00:23:37,619 --> 00:23:42,060 S2: that's interesting sort of evidence walking into the, to Jerusalem 410 00:23:42,060 --> 00:23:46,220 S2: with you. Um, but yeah, they decided they're going to 411 00:23:46,220 --> 00:23:48,580 S2: kill Lazarus too. We got to get rid of the evidence. 412 00:23:48,580 --> 00:23:53,020 S2: That's what that's all about. Yeah. Um, and again, again, 413 00:23:53,020 --> 00:23:55,820 S2: put that into your, into your equation. That is the 414 00:23:55,820 --> 00:23:59,660 S2: context that Jesus lives most of his life in. Um, 415 00:23:59,859 --> 00:24:02,060 S2: and I think that's one reason why he stayed. He 416 00:24:02,100 --> 00:24:04,900 S2: stayed in Galilee most of the time. Uh, he goes, 417 00:24:04,940 --> 00:24:08,020 S2: I mean, you know, it says that the, the Jews 418 00:24:08,020 --> 00:24:11,460 S2: in Judea were waiting to take his life. So, uh, 419 00:24:11,460 --> 00:24:13,820 S2: most of his ministry takes place up in Galilee. 420 00:24:14,540 --> 00:24:16,580 S1: This really is life or death. I mean, what we're 421 00:24:16,580 --> 00:24:19,459 S1: talking about is really life or death, and it's also 422 00:24:19,500 --> 00:24:23,900 S1: eternal life or death. Yeah. Because exactly because of the mission, 423 00:24:23,900 --> 00:24:27,300 S1: because he's not just there to live a holy life 424 00:24:27,300 --> 00:24:29,760 S1: and then go back to God. He's there on a 425 00:24:29,760 --> 00:24:31,200 S1: rescue for you and me. 426 00:24:31,880 --> 00:24:35,879 S2: Yeah. That's right, that's right. To speak to. I mean, 427 00:24:35,920 --> 00:24:39,040 S2: to speak the truth. Uh, to tell us everything that 428 00:24:39,040 --> 00:24:40,639 S2: we need to know so that we can have a 429 00:24:40,640 --> 00:24:46,119 S2: relationship with God. It's all there in his teaching for us. Um, everything. 430 00:24:46,280 --> 00:24:47,199 S2: Everything I need. 431 00:24:48,000 --> 00:24:50,760 S1: And that's what we're talking about today. At the back fence. 432 00:24:51,040 --> 00:24:54,320 S1: What moment during Passion Week do you wish you could 433 00:24:54,320 --> 00:24:59,239 S1: experience in person from the four gospels? If you have 434 00:24:59,240 --> 00:25:09,119 S1: an answer to that question, here's the number 87754836758775483675. If 435 00:25:09,119 --> 00:25:11,960 S1: you go to Chris Fabry live.org you'll see more about 436 00:25:11,960 --> 00:25:14,880 S1: our special guest today. The one, the only Michael Card 437 00:25:15,119 --> 00:25:18,520 S1: who is joining us from Tennessee and will continue in 438 00:25:18,520 --> 00:25:20,879 S1: just a couple of minutes here on Moody Radio. 439 00:25:22,400 --> 00:25:26,869 S6: The one who lived and died for me was Satan's 440 00:25:26,869 --> 00:25:35,230 S6: nail pierced casualty. Now he's breathing once again. Not crucified alone. 441 00:25:36,109 --> 00:25:40,110 S6: And the grave became a place of hope. For the 442 00:25:40,109 --> 00:25:45,710 S6: heart that sin and sorrow broke. Is beating once again. 443 00:25:46,510 --> 00:25:55,310 S6: Love crucified. Oh, the risen one in splendor. Jehovah sole 444 00:25:55,350 --> 00:25:58,710 S6: defender has won the victory. 445 00:26:05,030 --> 00:26:10,230 S1: Singer. Songwriter. Author. Biblical. Imaginative. Michael Card is at the 446 00:26:10,230 --> 00:26:13,790 S1: back fence today. What moment during Passion Week do you 447 00:26:13,790 --> 00:26:16,830 S1: wish you could experience in person? That's my question to you. 448 00:26:16,830 --> 00:26:22,310 S1: You can answer on Facebook or call us at (877) 548-3675. 449 00:26:22,350 --> 00:26:23,830 S1: Let's hear a little of this right. 450 00:26:24,500 --> 00:26:29,460 S6: Breeze moves by in a blur. His prayers all seem 451 00:26:29,500 --> 00:26:38,940 S6: unanswered and under. His pleading petitions, his loud cries and tears. 452 00:26:39,500 --> 00:26:46,740 S6: A last reprieve will simply not appear. So ruthless. He 453 00:26:46,780 --> 00:26:53,100 S6: loves us, so reckless. His embrace to show relentless kindness 454 00:26:53,140 --> 00:26:57,740 S6: to our heart and human race. The joy that was 455 00:26:57,740 --> 00:27:04,340 S6: before him on the Man of Sorrows face. And by 456 00:27:04,340 --> 00:27:07,740 S6: his blood he bought a violin. Grace. 457 00:27:08,540 --> 00:27:12,460 S1: A violent grace. He wrote a book by that title 458 00:27:12,460 --> 00:27:16,540 S1: as well. Talk about that. The joy set before him 459 00:27:16,540 --> 00:27:20,020 S1: that is always, you know, you don't look at crucifixion, 460 00:27:20,020 --> 00:27:24,679 S1: you don't look at this. What he endured as something 461 00:27:24,680 --> 00:27:27,960 S1: that is oh, joy. I'm going to go through that. 462 00:27:27,960 --> 00:27:30,640 S1: So the joy set before him is what? 463 00:27:31,440 --> 00:27:34,480 S2: Well, I think it's it's the answer to the question, 464 00:27:34,640 --> 00:27:40,440 S2: how did he endure that? Because, um, I still fairly 465 00:27:40,440 --> 00:27:43,880 S2: adamant about the idea that I don't care what Jesus 466 00:27:43,880 --> 00:27:49,200 S2: movie you watch. They never depict the violence and the suffering. 467 00:27:49,200 --> 00:27:53,240 S2: I don't think it's, it's possible to, uh, to show 468 00:27:53,240 --> 00:27:56,680 S2: what he what he endured and you've got to ask, 469 00:27:56,880 --> 00:27:59,680 S2: you know, was that there was, was it some some reward? 470 00:27:59,680 --> 00:28:03,920 S2: Was it. No, he endured it, uh, because of the 471 00:28:03,920 --> 00:28:11,199 S2: joy realizing what that his death and his suffering would accomplish. Um, the, 472 00:28:11,400 --> 00:28:14,760 S2: so the joy that was before him is, is, is 473 00:28:14,760 --> 00:28:17,320 S2: the explanation for how he endured it all. 474 00:28:18,600 --> 00:28:22,280 S1: And also why he set his face resolutely toward Jerusalem, 475 00:28:22,350 --> 00:28:26,350 S1: Even when his disciples were saying, you really want to 476 00:28:26,350 --> 00:28:29,550 S1: go back there? You know they're looking to kill you there. 477 00:28:30,109 --> 00:28:31,110 S1: Hold on here. 478 00:28:31,790 --> 00:28:34,190 S2: Yeah. And he did. He walked right into it. And 479 00:28:34,190 --> 00:28:38,190 S2: and if you look that long final journey to Jerusalem, 480 00:28:38,190 --> 00:28:42,110 S2: he's explaining to them in ever increasing detail. I'm going 481 00:28:42,150 --> 00:28:44,990 S2: to be bound. I'm going to be spat upon. I mean, 482 00:28:45,030 --> 00:28:49,230 S2: he knows exactly what he's walking into. And at any point, 483 00:28:49,390 --> 00:28:51,430 S2: he could have made a turn and gone into the 484 00:28:51,430 --> 00:28:55,030 S2: wilderness of Judea and disappeared. And he doesn't do it. 485 00:28:55,070 --> 00:28:57,870 S2: He walks right into it. It makes me cry to 486 00:28:57,870 --> 00:29:02,790 S2: even think of it. Yeah. Because of his love for 487 00:29:02,790 --> 00:29:06,830 S2: us and is in Hebrews. The joy that was before him. He. 488 00:29:07,070 --> 00:29:08,830 S2: He endured all that for us. 489 00:29:09,830 --> 00:29:13,310 S1: Anna is in Georgia. Anna, why did you call today? 490 00:29:14,510 --> 00:29:18,550 S7: Hi. Yeah, well, for a couple of reasons. And first off, 491 00:29:18,550 --> 00:29:22,500 S7: I just have to say thank you for decades of 492 00:29:23,580 --> 00:29:30,300 S7: ministering to my heart and the hearts of many. Um, and, uh, 493 00:29:30,300 --> 00:29:36,020 S7: both you, Chris Fabry across multiple countries. I have listened 494 00:29:36,020 --> 00:29:41,780 S7: to you and, um, Michael Card, your words have, um, 495 00:29:42,060 --> 00:29:48,220 S7: have just brought, um, tears and joy and, um, so 496 00:29:48,260 --> 00:29:49,180 S7: thank you for that. 497 00:29:49,300 --> 00:29:51,340 S2: Um, well, thank you. Thank you. Anna. 498 00:29:52,180 --> 00:29:58,140 S7: So, but, um, yeah, the moment, um, that I, uh, 499 00:29:58,820 --> 00:30:01,740 S7: would have loved to be in was, um, and pardon 500 00:30:01,740 --> 00:30:05,100 S7: my memory, I'm just going by memory and may may 501 00:30:05,100 --> 00:30:09,180 S7: have some of the details off, but, uh, when, um, 502 00:30:09,380 --> 00:30:15,540 S7: when Mary, um, comes to the, the empty tomb and 503 00:30:15,700 --> 00:30:22,210 S7: then Jesus, uh, aka the gardener. Um, comes to her 504 00:30:22,210 --> 00:30:28,810 S7: and says, Mary. And just from from hearing her her 505 00:30:28,850 --> 00:30:36,410 S7: name spoken, um, she, she sees him and um, and 506 00:30:36,410 --> 00:30:40,530 S7: I feel like my name is Anna Grace. And I 507 00:30:40,570 --> 00:30:45,890 S7: just feel like when, when, when my name is spoken, 508 00:30:45,890 --> 00:30:51,650 S7: there's something from, from a place of love. Um, there is, 509 00:30:51,850 --> 00:30:57,810 S7: there is power, power there. And he, he, he saw 510 00:30:57,850 --> 00:31:02,770 S7: those who were willing to see him and he came 511 00:31:02,770 --> 00:31:08,730 S7: to them and let them see him. Mhm. Um, and 512 00:31:08,730 --> 00:31:13,650 S7: then she was able to, uh, spread that, um, spread 513 00:31:13,650 --> 00:31:15,450 S7: that joyful, joyful news. 514 00:31:15,690 --> 00:31:19,110 S1: So I've always wondered about that too, about Mary. and said, 515 00:31:19,110 --> 00:31:22,150 S1: why would you? Why wouldn't you recognize Jesus? And there's 516 00:31:22,150 --> 00:31:24,590 S1: a lot going on there. But but part of that 517 00:31:24,590 --> 00:31:30,430 S1: is her own tears and her own inability to, to 518 00:31:30,470 --> 00:31:33,110 S1: look through. And by the way, Anna Grace, that is a, 519 00:31:33,110 --> 00:31:36,670 S1: that's a fantastic name. Whoever gave you that, that name. 520 00:31:36,670 --> 00:31:39,270 S1: That's a wonderful name. Michael. 521 00:31:39,270 --> 00:31:41,310 S7: I've always, I've always felt rather blessed. 522 00:31:41,350 --> 00:31:43,950 S1: Yes, yes. What do you say about that? When he 523 00:31:43,950 --> 00:31:47,350 S1: spoke her name, her I you know, she knew, didn't she. 524 00:31:48,230 --> 00:31:52,630 S2: Well, one of the mysteries about the resurrection, um for 525 00:31:52,630 --> 00:31:55,870 S2: some reason, um, maybe it's just because they didn't expect 526 00:31:55,870 --> 00:31:59,590 S2: to see him, but for some reason, he's not immediately recognizable. 527 00:31:59,590 --> 00:32:02,469 S2: When he wants to be recognized, he points to his scars. 528 00:32:03,270 --> 00:32:05,870 S2: You know, he doesn't say, remember brown eyes. Remember this, 529 00:32:05,910 --> 00:32:09,390 S2: you know, mole on my cheek. You know, he always 530 00:32:09,390 --> 00:32:13,110 S2: points to his scars and and that's when they they 531 00:32:13,110 --> 00:32:15,350 S2: recognize him by his wound. I mean, I wrote a 532 00:32:15,350 --> 00:32:19,140 S2: whole song called known by the Scars. Um, and I 533 00:32:19,180 --> 00:32:22,100 S2: think that's, that's significant. And then again, you know, we 534 00:32:22,100 --> 00:32:25,220 S2: have that, that little scene at John in John, they're 535 00:32:25,220 --> 00:32:28,260 S2: standing around the fire and no one dared ask, who 536 00:32:28,260 --> 00:32:31,900 S2: are you? Because they knew it was Jesus. But apparently 537 00:32:32,300 --> 00:32:35,900 S2: there was just something about his appearance that was, I guess, 538 00:32:35,900 --> 00:32:38,780 S2: after you've endured what he endured and then and then 539 00:32:38,820 --> 00:32:41,820 S2: been resurrected, it must have changed his appearance somehow. 540 00:32:42,620 --> 00:32:44,980 S1: Well, the two disciples that are on the road and 541 00:32:44,980 --> 00:32:48,140 S1: he comes up beside them, right. You know, and they 542 00:32:48,460 --> 00:32:51,540 S1: it was like, I see him with, you know, a big, uh, 543 00:32:51,580 --> 00:32:53,940 S1: hoodie on type of thing. It's like, what are you 544 00:32:53,940 --> 00:32:56,459 S1: guys talking about here? You know? But they don't they 545 00:32:56,460 --> 00:32:58,380 S1: don't recognize his voice. 546 00:32:58,940 --> 00:33:01,540 S2: They recognize him when he breaks the bread. That's when 547 00:33:01,540 --> 00:33:04,180 S2: their eyes are opened. I mean that again, it's this 548 00:33:04,180 --> 00:33:07,420 S2: kind of mysterious thing that happens after the resurrection. Mary. 549 00:33:07,460 --> 00:33:11,620 S2: Like Anna said, Mary recognizes his voice. He's recognized by 550 00:33:11,620 --> 00:33:15,260 S2: his voice. He's just like we recognize him today in prayer. 551 00:33:15,260 --> 00:33:17,970 S2: By his voice, he's recognized in the breaking of bread, 552 00:33:17,970 --> 00:33:20,370 S2: just like we recognize him today at the Lord's Supper 553 00:33:20,370 --> 00:33:23,850 S2: when we break the bread. And he's recognized by his scars. 554 00:33:24,010 --> 00:33:26,730 S2: Just like today, we recognize him in the wounds that 555 00:33:26,730 --> 00:33:30,690 S2: we incur from faithfully following him. I mean, I think 556 00:33:30,730 --> 00:33:32,650 S2: I mean, it almost kind of preaches itself. 557 00:33:32,690 --> 00:33:36,090 S1: Yeah. It does. Anna. Grace. Thank you. There's another caller 558 00:33:36,090 --> 00:33:39,690 S1: from Vermont, Marty. And you have the same thing. The 559 00:33:39,690 --> 00:33:41,810 S1: empty tomb. Marty. Tell me about that. 560 00:33:42,970 --> 00:33:46,210 S8: Um, I want to thank you for all you guys do. 561 00:33:46,250 --> 00:33:49,210 S8: I mean, you've been a blessing to me more times 562 00:33:49,210 --> 00:33:57,410 S8: than I can count. Um, but for me, it's. The 563 00:33:57,410 --> 00:34:03,050 S8: price has been paid for our salvation. His his suffering 564 00:34:03,090 --> 00:34:07,690 S8: is over. And he did what he was supposed to 565 00:34:07,690 --> 00:34:13,530 S8: do so that we could go to heaven. And that 566 00:34:13,530 --> 00:34:16,319 S8: would be the place where I would want to be, 567 00:34:16,320 --> 00:34:20,719 S8: to look, look into the tomb and it's like, it's over. 568 00:34:20,760 --> 00:34:24,920 S8: It's finished. Yeah. You know, you're alive and we're saved. 569 00:34:25,480 --> 00:34:26,240 S5: Yes. 570 00:34:26,719 --> 00:34:27,239 S9: Isn't that great? 571 00:34:27,440 --> 00:34:30,000 S8: That would be the place where I'd want to be. 572 00:34:31,160 --> 00:34:34,520 S1: I'd be there. I'd come right there with you. Marty, 573 00:34:34,560 --> 00:34:37,040 S1: thank you for calling. Michael. What do you say about that? 574 00:34:37,400 --> 00:34:40,040 S2: Well, I agree with her. I mean, you know, and 575 00:34:40,040 --> 00:34:43,120 S2: you you look, you you, uh, there's a wonderful tomb 576 00:34:43,120 --> 00:34:47,040 S2: in in Jerusalem beside the King David Hotel, which is, 577 00:34:47,520 --> 00:34:50,480 S2: you know, pretty much exactly like the tomb that you 578 00:34:50,480 --> 00:34:52,759 S2: read about in the Gospels. And you can, you can 579 00:34:52,760 --> 00:34:55,000 S2: go there and you step down three steps and you 580 00:34:55,040 --> 00:34:57,640 S2: kind of bend over and there's this huge stone. When 581 00:34:57,640 --> 00:35:00,160 S2: the women say, who's going to move the stone? For us, 582 00:35:00,200 --> 00:35:04,080 S2: there's no way two women, much, much less 2 or 583 00:35:04,080 --> 00:35:07,000 S2: 3 men can move this stone. But you, you bend 584 00:35:07,000 --> 00:35:10,440 S2: down and you look in and there's, you know, there's 585 00:35:10,440 --> 00:35:14,700 S2: this person sitting at the head and a young man 586 00:35:14,700 --> 00:35:21,540 S2: is described as. And it's just so simple. He's not here. And. 587 00:35:21,780 --> 00:35:24,540 S2: And interesting to me that when the women see the 588 00:35:24,580 --> 00:35:27,380 S2: stone's been rolled away, they don't assume the resurrection. They 589 00:35:27,380 --> 00:35:29,819 S2: assume somebody stole the body. Right. And again, I think 590 00:35:29,820 --> 00:35:33,379 S2: that's that speaks to the reality of the Gospels. You know, 591 00:35:33,420 --> 00:35:36,940 S2: it's not nobody's making this up. If you and I 592 00:35:36,980 --> 00:35:39,219 S2: had been there, Chris, we would have. And we saw 593 00:35:39,219 --> 00:35:41,980 S2: the stone rolled away. We thought, well, somebody stole the body. 594 00:35:42,260 --> 00:35:45,419 S2: We wouldn't have immediately thought resurrection. But then you've got 595 00:35:45,420 --> 00:35:48,779 S2: the angel that says, no, he's not here, you know, go, go. 596 00:35:48,820 --> 00:35:50,980 S2: He's going to meet you back in Galilee. Go to Galilee. 597 00:35:51,860 --> 00:35:55,580 S1: You know there is then. And you were telling me 598 00:35:55,580 --> 00:36:00,620 S1: this in the break, this, this, this persistent disbelief or 599 00:36:00,620 --> 00:36:06,540 S1: persistent doubt after the resurrection, which again says, you know, 600 00:36:06,580 --> 00:36:10,500 S1: if you wanted if Peter was telling Mark, you know, 601 00:36:10,660 --> 00:36:13,609 S1: don't put that in. Don't put that in there about me. 602 00:36:14,010 --> 00:36:17,970 S1: You know, they're not making themselves look better. They're making themselves. 603 00:36:18,010 --> 00:36:21,490 S1: They're not making themselves. They're just being real. The Gospels 604 00:36:21,489 --> 00:36:22,250 S1: are real. 605 00:36:22,890 --> 00:36:25,210 S2: They're telling the truth. I mean, that's that's what it is. 606 00:36:25,210 --> 00:36:26,690 S2: They're telling the truth. Yeah. 607 00:36:27,370 --> 00:36:31,049 S1: And and the doubt then. Thomas's doubt. I mean, can 608 00:36:31,050 --> 00:36:33,969 S1: you imagine being Thomas after this whole thing? And everybody 609 00:36:33,969 --> 00:36:37,050 S1: has seen Jesus. And Thomas says, you know, unless I, 610 00:36:37,450 --> 00:36:40,690 S1: you know, see the scars and put my fingers into 611 00:36:40,730 --> 00:36:45,610 S1: the the wound on his side. And then here is Jesus. 612 00:36:45,610 --> 00:36:49,330 S1: And I see that not as a, hey, Thomas, you're 613 00:36:49,370 --> 00:36:52,890 S1: you know, you're such a doubter. It's very kind of 614 00:36:52,890 --> 00:36:55,610 S1: him to say, hey, Thomas, put your put your hand 615 00:36:55,610 --> 00:36:56,290 S1: in here. 616 00:36:56,850 --> 00:37:01,450 S2: Yeah. And it's the one way it can be translated, uh, 617 00:37:01,530 --> 00:37:03,930 S2: which is the way I like to translate it. You know, 618 00:37:04,890 --> 00:37:08,050 S2: a literal translation is Jesus says to Thomas because Thomas said, 619 00:37:08,090 --> 00:37:11,280 S2: unless I stick my finger into his side. Jesus appeared 620 00:37:11,280 --> 00:37:14,200 S2: and he says, Thomas, bring your finger over here. 621 00:37:14,239 --> 00:37:14,879 S1: Yes. 622 00:37:15,239 --> 00:37:18,560 S2: That's a literal translation. Thomas. I think I think it 623 00:37:18,560 --> 00:37:23,440 S2: was almost maybe not playful, but, you know, kind of ironic. Thomas, 624 00:37:23,440 --> 00:37:26,080 S2: bring your finger over here. Okay. And the other thing, 625 00:37:26,080 --> 00:37:30,080 S2: if you look at the account, there's no, um. I 626 00:37:30,120 --> 00:37:33,480 S2: don't think Thomas did it. Uh, there's of course all 627 00:37:33,480 --> 00:37:38,280 S2: the classical art painted that way, but Jesus says, Thomas bring, 628 00:37:38,320 --> 00:37:40,600 S2: you know, bring your finger over here and see, you know, see, 629 00:37:40,640 --> 00:37:43,000 S2: you know, look at the, you know, my, my side, 630 00:37:43,000 --> 00:37:47,160 S2: my hands. And, uh, and Thomas apparently just falls down 631 00:37:47,160 --> 00:37:49,239 S2: and says, my Lord and my God, I don't think 632 00:37:49,239 --> 00:37:51,000 S2: he looked in the I don't think he looked in 633 00:37:51,000 --> 00:37:54,360 S2: the wounds. I think he saw and heard Jesus. And um. 634 00:37:54,360 --> 00:37:54,800 S1: He didn't. 635 00:37:54,800 --> 00:37:56,880 S2: Need it. Proof that he. Well, the proof that he 636 00:37:56,880 --> 00:38:00,840 S2: was demanding, he realized he didn't need. Because here, here, 637 00:38:00,880 --> 00:38:03,320 S2: here is Jesus standing in front of him. 638 00:38:03,520 --> 00:38:06,759 S1: And I think that picture is, you know, you hear 639 00:38:06,800 --> 00:38:09,540 S1: people say, and maybe I've said it too. Boy, when 640 00:38:09,540 --> 00:38:11,540 S1: I get to heaven, I'm going to ask God about this, 641 00:38:11,540 --> 00:38:13,899 S1: that and the other thing. I think we're going to 642 00:38:14,180 --> 00:38:16,580 S1: do the same thing as Thomas, my Lord and my 643 00:38:16,620 --> 00:38:18,779 S1: God falling down in worship. 644 00:38:19,260 --> 00:38:23,739 S2: Yes, I do too. I do too. Um, sometimes I wonder, 645 00:38:23,820 --> 00:38:27,299 S2: you know, am I going to have some one on 646 00:38:27,340 --> 00:38:29,500 S2: one personal time with Jesus in heaven? AM I going 647 00:38:29,500 --> 00:38:32,340 S2: to be able to just say, hey, thanks, thank you 648 00:38:32,340 --> 00:38:36,980 S2: for what you did or, um, something like that. Um, 649 00:38:36,980 --> 00:38:38,859 S2: but I, you know, I just don't know. I think 650 00:38:38,860 --> 00:38:42,980 S2: the Bible, the Bible is pretty, pretty silent on the 651 00:38:42,980 --> 00:38:45,660 S2: details of heaven, first of all, because there's not language 652 00:38:45,660 --> 00:38:49,779 S2: to describe it. Right? And secondly, if we knew how 653 00:38:49,820 --> 00:38:52,700 S2: glorious it was, I think we would become too preoccupied 654 00:38:52,700 --> 00:38:56,779 S2: with it. And, um. Yeah. And, uh, I mean. 655 00:38:57,180 --> 00:38:57,820 S1: I love. 656 00:38:58,219 --> 00:38:58,580 S2: Michael. 657 00:38:59,100 --> 00:39:01,620 S1: I love what you're saying here because and the deep 658 00:39:01,620 --> 00:39:03,940 S1: emotion every time we talk about it. Well, you can't 659 00:39:03,940 --> 00:39:07,890 S1: talk about Jesus without feeling the emotion of thank you, Lord, 660 00:39:07,890 --> 00:39:10,169 S1: for what you have done in my life. So that's 661 00:39:10,170 --> 00:39:12,290 S1: what we're talking about here at the back fence today 662 00:39:12,450 --> 00:39:16,049 S1: with Michael Card. We have one final segment coming up 663 00:39:16,050 --> 00:39:19,170 S1: and some responses to that question about the moment during 664 00:39:19,170 --> 00:39:22,210 S1: Passion Week you wish you could experience. We'll get to 665 00:39:22,210 --> 00:40:01,609 S1: that straight ahead on Moody Radio. Michael Card has written 666 00:40:01,610 --> 00:40:05,930 S1: an awful lot of songs in the last 40 plus years, 667 00:40:06,239 --> 00:40:08,759 S1: and this is one of them known by the scars. 668 00:40:08,760 --> 00:40:11,080 S1: He mentioned it just a moment ago. Want to play 669 00:40:11,080 --> 00:40:13,080 S1: a little bit of this and then we'll hear more 670 00:40:13,080 --> 00:40:15,800 S1: from him today on Chris Fabry Live. 671 00:40:16,239 --> 00:40:20,680 S6: Mother Mary cried as she held heaven in her arms, 672 00:40:21,200 --> 00:40:24,799 S6: for the shadow of the scars she saw was clear. 673 00:40:26,600 --> 00:40:31,319 S6: As her own bewildered baby lay weeping for the world. 674 00:40:31,880 --> 00:40:37,640 S6: Whose frightened tears would free us all from fear. The 675 00:40:37,640 --> 00:40:43,000 S6: marks of death that God chose never to erase. The 676 00:40:43,000 --> 00:40:50,400 S6: wounds of love's eternal mark. When the kingdom comes with 677 00:40:50,400 --> 00:40:56,880 S6: its perfected sons. He will be known by the scars. 678 00:40:58,239 --> 00:41:00,920 S1: Isn't it the only thing in heaven that was created 679 00:41:00,920 --> 00:41:07,350 S1: by people or the scars in Jesus hands, in his body. 680 00:41:07,390 --> 00:41:08,310 S1: Is that true, Michael? 681 00:41:08,350 --> 00:41:08,670 S9: Wow. 682 00:41:09,110 --> 00:41:11,029 S2: I don't know, I've never thought of that, but that's 683 00:41:11,030 --> 00:41:12,030 S2: a powerful idea. 684 00:41:12,350 --> 00:41:14,310 S1: Yeah. Um, yeah. You were. 685 00:41:14,350 --> 00:41:16,910 S2: He's still wounded. He still has those wounds. 686 00:41:17,590 --> 00:41:21,670 S1: You were studying this. Uh, for what you're talking about 687 00:41:21,670 --> 00:41:24,110 S1: in in church and the Bible study that you're doing 688 00:41:24,110 --> 00:41:26,870 S1: and you came upon something that you didn't know. Tell 689 00:41:26,870 --> 00:41:27,590 S1: me about that. 690 00:41:27,630 --> 00:41:31,109 S2: Yes. Well, and I should know this, and I'm kind 691 00:41:31,110 --> 00:41:34,109 S2: of embarrassed that I didn't. But, you know, Thursday the 692 00:41:34,150 --> 00:41:36,590 S2: which is the day they have the Last Supper is 693 00:41:36,590 --> 00:41:40,750 S2: called Maundy Thursday. And I never knew what Maundy meant. 694 00:41:40,989 --> 00:41:43,270 S2: And I was looking it up. And it comes from 695 00:41:43,270 --> 00:41:47,069 S2: a Latin word, mandatum, which means commandment. And it's the 696 00:41:47,070 --> 00:41:50,589 S2: commandment that that Jesus issued on that at the Last 697 00:41:50,590 --> 00:41:54,110 S2: Supper to love each other. So Maundy Thursday is is 698 00:41:54,150 --> 00:41:56,870 S2: the Thursday that commemorates the commandment to love each other. 699 00:41:57,230 --> 00:41:58,150 S2: I never knew that. 700 00:41:58,469 --> 00:42:01,590 S1: Yeah. And that's one of the things that I would love, 701 00:42:01,830 --> 00:42:05,850 S1: as I mentioned to you before, of going through the 702 00:42:05,850 --> 00:42:09,770 S1: book of John and and look at John 14 and 703 00:42:09,770 --> 00:42:14,410 S1: then John 15 and when he prays for you and me, 704 00:42:14,450 --> 00:42:16,850 S1: you know, for those who have. Blessed are those who 705 00:42:17,010 --> 00:42:20,410 S1: have not seen and have still believed that. Wouldn't that 706 00:42:20,410 --> 00:42:24,569 S1: be something to hear or Gethsemane to be there in 707 00:42:24,570 --> 00:42:29,490 S1: Gethsemane and the sweat drops of blood? Um, or another 708 00:42:29,489 --> 00:42:33,130 S1: caller has has said that I could have been there 709 00:42:33,290 --> 00:42:37,170 S1: at the Last Supper. Um, Lisa says, I would love 710 00:42:37,170 --> 00:42:39,890 S1: to have seen Jesus when he appeared to Mary Magdalene 711 00:42:39,890 --> 00:42:43,649 S1: after being resurrected. How amazing and beautiful it would have 712 00:42:43,650 --> 00:42:48,770 S1: been to see her facial expression transform from grief and 713 00:42:48,770 --> 00:42:54,250 S1: devastation to sheer joy and relief after hearing her say 714 00:42:54,250 --> 00:42:55,089 S1: his name. 715 00:42:55,810 --> 00:42:59,290 S2: Yeah, no, and I don't think I don't think their words. 716 00:42:59,730 --> 00:43:04,200 S2: I mean, how do you even. How can you even 717 00:43:04,200 --> 00:43:07,279 S2: go there from from the, from from going to the 718 00:43:07,280 --> 00:43:12,640 S2: fact that he, this person that you've, you've put basically you, you've, 719 00:43:12,680 --> 00:43:16,040 S2: you've left home for, you've basically given up everything for 720 00:43:16,040 --> 00:43:20,680 S2: him and he's, he's been murdered. He's been crucified. And 721 00:43:20,880 --> 00:43:23,960 S2: as far as you know, it's all been for nothing. 722 00:43:24,400 --> 00:43:28,719 S2: You know, the disciples, they left home. They left everything. 723 00:43:28,760 --> 00:43:31,759 S2: I left everything to follow you kind of thing. And 724 00:43:31,960 --> 00:43:34,600 S2: and Jesus has died. And for all they know, even 725 00:43:34,600 --> 00:43:36,040 S2: though he told them it was going to happen, they 726 00:43:36,040 --> 00:43:40,040 S2: never seem to hear it. Um, and to go from 727 00:43:40,719 --> 00:43:43,239 S2: it's all been for nothing. And this person that I 728 00:43:43,239 --> 00:43:45,080 S2: love the most in the world I gave my life 729 00:43:45,080 --> 00:43:49,600 S2: to has been murdered, has been brutally killed too. There 730 00:43:49,600 --> 00:43:53,080 S2: he is. And, and, and the other. And this is 731 00:43:53,080 --> 00:43:54,879 S2: a new thing for me too. I'm working on this 732 00:43:54,880 --> 00:43:58,440 S2: Jesus book. Uh, we talk about resurrection and you know, 733 00:43:58,480 --> 00:44:01,509 S2: everyone talks well, says, well, the Pharisees believed in resurrection. 734 00:44:01,550 --> 00:44:04,629 S2: The Sadducees didn't believe in resurrection. But in Judaism, when 735 00:44:04,630 --> 00:44:07,710 S2: you say resurrection, what they mean is the resurrection at 736 00:44:07,710 --> 00:44:11,549 S2: the last day. They didn't. They didn't mean the resurrection 737 00:44:11,550 --> 00:44:15,750 S2: of one individual person. No. Nobody believed in that. Nobody 738 00:44:15,790 --> 00:44:17,470 S2: saw that coming. Yeah. 739 00:44:18,430 --> 00:44:21,790 S1: You know, we have mentioned we haven't mentioned this, but 740 00:44:21,989 --> 00:44:27,950 S1: for me, I'm I am enamored with Saturday with the 741 00:44:27,950 --> 00:44:32,310 S1: day after the crucifixion, the day before the resurrection. And 742 00:44:32,310 --> 00:44:36,069 S1: there is all of what you just described this, you know, 743 00:44:36,110 --> 00:44:38,430 S1: he's king of kings. He's going to be he's going 744 00:44:38,469 --> 00:44:40,990 S1: to set up his kingdom. And but now he can't 745 00:44:40,989 --> 00:44:44,150 S1: do it. You know, there's no way. And then there's 746 00:44:44,150 --> 00:44:47,430 S1: all this fear we're next. You know, that's why they 747 00:44:47,430 --> 00:44:51,510 S1: ran away, right. And so they're locked away and they're 748 00:44:51,550 --> 00:44:55,430 S1: they're afraid and they're asking all these questions. I would 749 00:44:55,430 --> 00:44:58,149 S1: love to be there on Saturday because it must have 750 00:44:58,150 --> 00:45:01,339 S1: been the same kind of thoughts that Joseph had in 751 00:45:01,340 --> 00:45:07,060 S1: the Old Testament, who, you know, had this dream and, 752 00:45:07,060 --> 00:45:11,339 S1: and the desire to help his family. But he's thrown 753 00:45:11,340 --> 00:45:13,940 S1: into prison and he's, you know, all these thrown into 754 00:45:13,940 --> 00:45:16,420 S1: the pit and all these bad things happen to him. 755 00:45:16,900 --> 00:45:19,020 S1: You know, how is this going to work out? That's 756 00:45:19,020 --> 00:45:21,219 S1: what they were thinking on Saturday, right? 757 00:45:21,420 --> 00:45:25,779 S2: Yeah. And and and what is Saturday in Judaism? It's the. 758 00:45:25,780 --> 00:45:26,380 S1: Sabbath. 759 00:45:26,420 --> 00:45:31,100 S2: It's Shabbat. So what do you do on Shabbat? You rest. 760 00:45:32,460 --> 00:45:36,580 S2: So Jesus is I mean, he, he's basically resting in 761 00:45:36,580 --> 00:45:41,299 S2: the tomb. And it's this it's this quiet day. The 762 00:45:41,300 --> 00:45:45,540 S2: disciples are kind of hiding, but they're also resting. And, um, 763 00:45:46,100 --> 00:45:51,220 S2: you know, nothing's happening because it's Sabbath. Because nothing happens 764 00:45:51,219 --> 00:45:52,820 S2: on Sabbath. Yes. 765 00:45:53,739 --> 00:45:56,859 S1: And then the first day of the week comes and 766 00:45:56,860 --> 00:46:00,120 S1: the sun rises. Michael. It's always a pleasure to get 767 00:46:00,120 --> 00:46:02,359 S1: to talk with you, play a little of your music 768 00:46:02,680 --> 00:46:04,759 S1: and to play some of those songs that you sang way, 769 00:46:04,800 --> 00:46:08,040 S1: way too high, and you can't sing that way. You 770 00:46:08,040 --> 00:46:10,920 S1: can't sing that way anymore. But, uh, thank you for 771 00:46:10,920 --> 00:46:13,640 S1: your heart. Thank you for being moved as you've talked 772 00:46:13,640 --> 00:46:16,480 S1: about Jesus today and come back and see us real soon. Okay. 773 00:46:16,920 --> 00:46:18,759 S2: Well, thanks. Well, I just pray this will be a 774 00:46:18,760 --> 00:46:22,600 S2: really meaningful, meaningful Easter for you and for everyone who's listening. 775 00:46:22,640 --> 00:46:25,800 S2: I just pray that we'll all get it this Easter. 776 00:46:26,040 --> 00:46:30,399 S1: Yes. Yeah. And be able to receive that forgiveness that 777 00:46:30,400 --> 00:46:34,000 S1: he accomplished. That Christianity is not about you and me 778 00:46:34,000 --> 00:46:37,239 S1: toeing a line and doing great things for God. It 779 00:46:37,239 --> 00:46:41,360 S1: is about what great things God did for us on 780 00:46:41,360 --> 00:46:45,160 S1: the cross and then rising from the dead. No better message. 781 00:46:45,400 --> 00:46:48,359 S1: Chris Fabry lives production of Moody Radio, a Ministry of 782 00:46:48,400 --> 00:46:51,040 S1: Moody Bible Institute. Thanks for listening.