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S3: I, I think it is a no brainer to invite

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S3: And I think the most contagious thing about inviting people

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S3: is that you're really inviting them into a group of people,

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S3: many of whom, not all of whom, many of whom

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S3: have been radically transformed by God. And I've my personal

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S3: them in the body of Christ. I actually, after 40

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S3: there's a better compelling case. I'm leading up to our

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S3: I think there's a more compelling case that you can

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S3: it's over the top. Great. Now, a lot of services

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S3: engaging with one another. I hadn't planned to share this,

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S3: It's okay to admit that. But what? And they aren't

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S3: Usually not unless you're inebriated or something. So I thought,

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S3: a great opportunity. Merry Christmas everybody. Merry Christmas indeed. Well,

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S3: That's it. It's called cold case Christianity. J Warner Wallace

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S7: You know, I actually feel really honored that I had

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S7: no idea you could even do that. Okay. I didn't

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S7: and what your parenting was like before, and who you

445
00:22:19,359 --> 00:22:21,600
S7: were before your kids before and now. What are their

446
00:22:21,600 --> 00:22:25,440
S7: conversations about? And my kids remember me getting saved because

447
00:22:25,440 --> 00:22:27,320
S7: they were, you know, six and eight, and they remembered

448
00:22:27,359 --> 00:22:30,840
S7: when I the the crazy passion of sitting around a

449
00:22:30,840 --> 00:22:33,919
S7: table arguing out all of these data points with other

450
00:22:33,920 --> 00:22:35,080
S7: young Christians because we.

451
00:22:35,080 --> 00:22:35,359
S3: Didn't.

452
00:22:35,600 --> 00:22:36,199
S7: Have anything.

453
00:22:36,240 --> 00:22:37,680
S3: They're rabid new dad.

454
00:22:38,119 --> 00:22:40,399
S7: Yeah. My son will talk about it all the time.

455
00:22:40,440 --> 00:22:44,820
S7: It shaped his pursuit of truth as a Christian because

456
00:22:44,820 --> 00:22:47,380
S7: he knew that that was what I did. And he's

457
00:22:47,420 --> 00:22:50,420
S7: often rabbit trailing on first century theology because he just

458
00:22:50,420 --> 00:22:53,500
S7: knows what he remembers watching that with me. And so

459
00:22:53,500 --> 00:22:55,219
S7: I think it's not just the impact that it's had

460
00:22:55,260 --> 00:22:57,659
S7: on me, it's that it I hope it's laid a

461
00:22:57,660 --> 00:23:02,460
S7: foundation for my kids who now see Christianity differently because

462
00:23:02,460 --> 00:23:03,859
S7: they watch their dad go through it.

463
00:23:04,220 --> 00:23:07,540
S3: J Warner. Wallace. Our guest here. And here's what I

464
00:23:07,540 --> 00:23:10,700
S3: want you to do. Boom crew, join me in getting

465
00:23:10,700 --> 00:23:14,859
S3: notifications from this YouTube channel. And there's so many other

466
00:23:14,859 --> 00:23:17,780
S3: resources here. Oh my goodness. This is one of the

467
00:23:17,780 --> 00:23:20,699
S3: best sites I, Ali and I are in heated agreement

468
00:23:20,700 --> 00:23:21,940
S3: about this. Absolutely.

469
00:23:21,980 --> 00:23:25,820
S4: I the the podcast, um, the books. There's also lots

470
00:23:25,820 --> 00:23:28,540
S4: of free resources on his website blog. So there's a

471
00:23:28,540 --> 00:23:31,020
S4: lot of digging that you can do there. We've got

472
00:23:31,060 --> 00:23:33,460
S4: the we've got the link for you. Just text case

473
00:23:33,500 --> 00:23:38,900
S4: to (800) 555-7898. This will be your your stop to get

474
00:23:38,900 --> 00:23:42,680
S4: to everything connected to cold case Christianity. Our guest J. Warner. Wallace.

475
00:23:42,720 --> 00:23:47,600
S4: Just text case to 800 555 7898.

476
00:23:47,960 --> 00:23:52,480
S2: A basketball mom who's mastered the dad joke. Allie is

477
00:23:52,480 --> 00:23:56,200
S2: in the crew. It's Carl and crew on Moody Radio.

478
00:23:56,240 --> 00:23:58,760
S3: It's Carl and crew taking your calls this morning. You

479
00:23:58,800 --> 00:24:02,320
S3: were born again. Past somewhere past 30 years of age.

480
00:24:02,320 --> 00:24:06,280
S3: And how is your life most changed? Somebody texted in here.

481
00:24:06,280 --> 00:24:11,000
S3: Not as much of a jerk. Still a work in progress. Amen.

482
00:24:11,040 --> 00:24:15,840
S3: My friend. Hey. Amen. Amen. And just with that lingo,

483
00:24:15,880 --> 00:24:18,120
S3: I gotta believe it's a dude. But who knows? Could

484
00:24:18,119 --> 00:24:21,679
S3: be a woman as well. Taking your calls. Dana, uh, from.

485
00:24:21,720 --> 00:24:25,960
S3: Looks like Lake Station, Indiana. What do you say? What

486
00:24:25,960 --> 00:24:28,560
S3: has what totally changed about you?

487
00:24:29,960 --> 00:24:34,679
S8: Everything. Everything in my life changed the night that the

488
00:24:34,680 --> 00:24:38,560
S8: Lord saved me from. I thought I was dying in

489
00:24:38,560 --> 00:24:44,090
S8: my bed and I was drinking and I was taking pills,

490
00:24:44,090 --> 00:24:46,129
S8: and I thought I was dying, and I asked the

491
00:24:46,130 --> 00:24:49,489
S8: Lord to save me and said I'd never do it

492
00:24:49,490 --> 00:24:53,810
S8: again and never have. Yeah. Never. Never drank. Never smoked.

493
00:24:53,850 --> 00:24:56,730
S8: Smoked for 30 years. He took it all off me.

494
00:24:56,770 --> 00:24:59,649
S8: I will never stop praising him. Never.

495
00:24:59,850 --> 00:25:04,450
S3: Amen, Dana. Godspeed. Merry Christmas, sister. Wow. Yeah, it's it's

496
00:25:04,450 --> 00:25:06,730
S3: that real. I mean, I don't know what it was

497
00:25:06,730 --> 00:25:09,370
S3: for you in the downstream effect. I love what J.

498
00:25:09,410 --> 00:25:11,530
S3: Warner Wallace said when we had him on here earlier

499
00:25:11,530 --> 00:25:14,370
S3: this hour. What that did to his kids. I mean,

500
00:25:14,410 --> 00:25:16,530
S3: imagine having an eight year old son that sees a

501
00:25:16,530 --> 00:25:21,129
S3: dad go from atheist and just oblivious to the power

502
00:25:21,130 --> 00:25:24,730
S3: of Christ to rocked and transformed by the power of

503
00:25:24,730 --> 00:25:28,770
S3: the risen Jesus. And that eight year old kid's head

504
00:25:28,770 --> 00:25:30,650
S3: was spinning. Yeah. How awesome is that?

505
00:25:30,850 --> 00:25:33,689
S4: So shaped him. Let's go back to the phones. Chris

506
00:25:33,730 --> 00:25:36,410
S4: calling in this morning. First time caller from West Palm Beach, Florida.

507
00:25:36,570 --> 00:25:39,530
S4: You were saved past 30. Tell us how old you were.

508
00:25:39,630 --> 00:25:41,950
S4: and what's the biggest thing that's different in your life now?

509
00:25:43,109 --> 00:25:47,109
S9: Yes. Good morning. Blessings to you all. Uh, recently, uh,

510
00:25:47,790 --> 00:25:50,669
S9: became more Christ centered in my life. And I found

511
00:25:50,670 --> 00:25:53,990
S9: that before having had Christ in my life, I was

512
00:25:54,470 --> 00:25:59,350
S9: quite the lost soul. And becoming more involved has helped me.

513
00:25:59,910 --> 00:26:03,190
S9: Like I stated earlier, is having a compass to my

514
00:26:03,190 --> 00:26:07,150
S9: life and helping me answer many of the questions that

515
00:26:07,150 --> 00:26:11,750
S9: I was, um, had questions to before having found Christ.

516
00:26:12,590 --> 00:26:15,950
S3: Yeah. That's awesome Chris. First time caller from Florida. Thank

517
00:26:15,950 --> 00:26:19,070
S3: you for that. Yeah, it's it's and I love that

518
00:26:19,070 --> 00:26:22,390
S3: because it's a little nuance there. I think, uh, the

519
00:26:22,550 --> 00:26:27,670
S3: the notion that everything changes as in everything that was

520
00:26:27,670 --> 00:26:34,430
S3: broken is now fixed. That's, that's not the reality, but

521
00:26:34,430 --> 00:26:38,550
S3: the fact that God now gives us a compass for

522
00:26:38,550 --> 00:26:41,970
S3: our For life and direction that we yield to. That's

523
00:26:41,970 --> 00:26:43,490
S3: a game changer, guys.

524
00:26:43,609 --> 00:26:46,050
S5: He's still working on us even in the even in

525
00:26:46,090 --> 00:26:48,370
S5: the years down the road. There are some times when

526
00:26:48,369 --> 00:26:51,650
S5: we get saved and things in our life immediately cease,

527
00:26:52,050 --> 00:26:54,170
S5: and there are some things that God works on us

528
00:26:54,170 --> 00:26:56,850
S5: with over time. And as we follow him, we get

529
00:26:56,850 --> 00:26:59,689
S5: that guidance, that compass, and helps us know where to go.

530
00:26:59,730 --> 00:27:03,330
S3: Yeah, but in Christ alone. Okay. Taking your calls here, Ali.

531
00:27:03,369 --> 00:27:04,090
S3: The question.

532
00:27:04,130 --> 00:27:07,970
S4: Yeah. You were saved, uh, past 30, 30 years old

533
00:27:07,970 --> 00:27:10,370
S4: or older. So you got a lot of years where

534
00:27:10,369 --> 00:27:13,050
S4: you lived apart from Christ. Now that you are in Christ,

535
00:27:13,090 --> 00:27:15,330
S4: what is the thing about your life that you notice

536
00:27:15,369 --> 00:27:20,810
S4: is the most different? 800 555 7898 A little before

537
00:27:20,810 --> 00:27:25,609
S4: and after stories this morning. 800 555 7898.

538
00:27:26,730 --> 00:27:31,250
S2: Breaking chains and running free. You're listening to Carl and crew.

539
00:27:31,609 --> 00:27:33,410
S3: Got a lot of calls coming in here. We'll get

540
00:27:33,410 --> 00:27:35,650
S3: to as many as we can. If you're on hold,

541
00:27:35,650 --> 00:27:38,470
S3: let's go. Lightning round here. Ali, You were fun.

542
00:27:38,510 --> 00:27:41,430
S4: Yes. Here's the question. You were saved 30 years old

543
00:27:41,430 --> 00:27:43,430
S4: or older. And we're asking you to kind of compare

544
00:27:43,430 --> 00:27:45,510
S4: your life before and your life now. What's the thing

545
00:27:45,510 --> 00:27:50,870
S4: that's most different? 800 555 7898. Let's go to Dolores

546
00:27:50,869 --> 00:27:53,870
S4: calling in this morning from Indianapolis, Indiana. Go ahead. What's

547
00:27:53,869 --> 00:27:55,189
S4: your answer to this question?

548
00:27:56,109 --> 00:27:59,629
S10: I had always gone to church for Sunday school, sang

549
00:27:59,630 --> 00:28:02,230
S10: in the choir, things like that, and people would just

550
00:28:02,230 --> 00:28:06,510
S10: preach sermons. But I began to do things that seemed

551
00:28:06,510 --> 00:28:09,270
S10: all right. I thought, until the Lord let me do

552
00:28:09,310 --> 00:28:12,229
S10: something I knew wasn't right. So that's when I got saved,

553
00:28:12,230 --> 00:28:15,510
S10: I was passed, I just passed, 30 years old, came

554
00:28:15,510 --> 00:28:18,750
S10: into my life. I was the pastor of this church

555
00:28:18,750 --> 00:28:21,150
S10: I went to, took me down the Romans Road, and

556
00:28:21,150 --> 00:28:24,629
S10: I began to read the Bible from Genesis to Revelations

557
00:28:24,630 --> 00:28:28,110
S10: every year for 40 years. I can tell you that

558
00:28:28,109 --> 00:28:30,870
S10: makes a difference, because anything you want to do, you

559
00:28:30,869 --> 00:28:33,629
S10: already know what God's rules are. You already know he's faithful.

560
00:28:33,670 --> 00:28:37,929
S10: He's just so I don't my. That's the difference. Reading

561
00:28:37,930 --> 00:28:40,290
S10: that Bible and giving your life to him, letting him

562
00:28:40,330 --> 00:28:43,170
S10: be in charge of you because you don't. You can't

563
00:28:43,170 --> 00:28:46,570
S10: do yourself. I couldn't. I love it, and I'm now 80.

564
00:28:46,930 --> 00:28:50,370
S10: I'm almost 82. I can see the difference. He's allowing

565
00:28:50,370 --> 00:28:52,570
S10: me to help others, and I think that's where he

566
00:28:52,570 --> 00:28:56,330
S10: was doing with me. But before 30, I wasn't any

567
00:28:56,330 --> 00:28:58,930
S10: better than anybody else. I thought I was, but I wasn't.

568
00:28:59,330 --> 00:29:02,530
S3: Dolores. Thank you, sister boom in church to the whole time.

569
00:29:02,570 --> 00:29:06,050
S3: Amazing truths here. James. Muncie, Indiana. What's your story?

570
00:29:07,290 --> 00:29:10,610
S11: Hey, Carl. Hey, guys. Listen, man, I just I want

571
00:29:10,650 --> 00:29:14,330
S11: to reflect on your guest earlier, and just. My story

572
00:29:15,050 --> 00:29:19,330
S11: is totally there. And, you know, I'm 56 years old,

573
00:29:19,330 --> 00:29:22,810
S11: and for the longest time, guys, I just. I lived

574
00:29:22,810 --> 00:29:26,290
S11: a horrible life of sin. I was on drugs, used drugs,

575
00:29:26,290 --> 00:29:33,690
S11: drank alcohol, uh, had had many bad addictions, uh, got

576
00:29:33,690 --> 00:29:38,620
S11: myself into some trouble, went to jail. Um, I was

577
00:29:38,620 --> 00:29:42,300
S11: looking at some many years in prison when I went

578
00:29:42,300 --> 00:29:44,300
S11: to jail. Carl, I just want to tell you, man,

579
00:29:44,340 --> 00:29:47,580
S11: God exists, and here's why. When I went to jail

580
00:29:48,220 --> 00:29:52,020
S11: while I was sitting in the booking office, everything I could.

581
00:29:52,740 --> 00:29:55,580
S11: Everybody was talking, but I couldn't hear anything. All I

582
00:29:55,580 --> 00:30:00,420
S11: heard was, God came to me and told me, you know,

583
00:30:00,900 --> 00:30:03,500
S11: this is not the life I have for you. And

584
00:30:03,500 --> 00:30:07,459
S11: walking back to my cell, I just prayed in my mind.

585
00:30:07,460 --> 00:30:09,860
S11: I prayed in my mind. And that night in jail,

586
00:30:09,900 --> 00:30:14,340
S11: I just I broke down and I it was so overwhelming.

587
00:30:14,340 --> 00:30:17,820
S11: I can't really explain it. Yeah, but I, I accepted

588
00:30:17,820 --> 00:30:22,380
S11: Christ at that moment and all the bad things I've done,

589
00:30:22,380 --> 00:30:27,540
S11: I know I'm saved for. And life is just unbelievable.

590
00:30:28,460 --> 00:30:34,020
S11: So much better. You know, there there is no better

591
00:30:34,020 --> 00:30:37,920
S11: high than knowing Jesus Christ is my God.

592
00:30:37,960 --> 00:30:38,360
S4: Wow.

593
00:30:38,720 --> 00:30:43,080
S11: And, you know, uh, I tell everybody I know every

594
00:30:43,120 --> 00:30:45,720
S11: day when I talk to a man, pray, pray, pray,

595
00:30:45,760 --> 00:30:47,600
S11: you know, they come to me and they tell me this,

596
00:30:47,600 --> 00:30:51,120
S11: this and that. I'm like, man, just pray. Yeah, it's.

597
00:30:51,360 --> 00:30:51,760
S3: James.

598
00:30:51,760 --> 00:30:54,200
S11: I love you. Carl, I can't describe it. And, you know,

599
00:30:54,240 --> 00:30:57,520
S11: back to your guest earlier. Talking man. That's all the

600
00:30:57,520 --> 00:31:00,840
S11: proof I need right there. You don't just go silent

601
00:31:00,840 --> 00:31:04,920
S11: and fill that. Yeah. You know. Yeah. And know that

602
00:31:04,920 --> 00:31:07,240
S11: in your heart. And, you know, it's amazing. And I

603
00:31:07,240 --> 00:31:09,480
S11: love your guys's show. God bless you guys.

604
00:31:09,520 --> 00:31:11,640
S3: Yeah. James. We love you, man. That's why you're in

605
00:31:11,640 --> 00:31:16,640
S3: the boom crew, brother. Right there. It's awesome. And we're grateful.

606
00:31:16,640 --> 00:31:18,960
S3: And no matter whether we can get you on the

607
00:31:18,960 --> 00:31:22,360
S3: phone or not. And maybe you're a skeptic. Know this

608
00:31:22,360 --> 00:31:27,960
S3: for sure. Jesus came and he is changing lives today.

609
00:31:28,000 --> 00:31:29,880
S3: Surrender all to him.

610
00:31:30,280 --> 00:31:33,320
S2: He's a sports fanatic with a stand for anything you

611
00:31:33,320 --> 00:31:37,020
S2: can think of. Ago. Young Thunder is in the crew.

612
00:31:37,340 --> 00:31:39,900
S2: It's Carl and crew on Moody Radio.

613
00:31:40,060 --> 00:31:42,700
S3: Well, you know, we've got a little basket in our home,

614
00:31:43,100 --> 00:31:47,820
S3: and it's filling up. There's still people that send out

615
00:31:47,860 --> 00:31:51,700
S3: snail mail, Christmas cards, and they are precious and I

616
00:31:51,700 --> 00:31:53,980
S3: love them. And more power to them. And there's even

617
00:31:54,020 --> 00:31:55,660
S3: some younger folks that are doing it.

618
00:31:55,660 --> 00:31:58,460
S4: I know I actually sent out a text yesterday because

619
00:31:58,460 --> 00:32:00,860
S4: we have some dear friends and they we got a

620
00:32:00,860 --> 00:32:04,100
S4: Christmas card from them on Monday, and then on Tuesday

621
00:32:04,100 --> 00:32:07,700
S4: we got another Christmas card. And so and so I

622
00:32:07,740 --> 00:32:09,820
S4: sent her a picture of both cards. I said, you

623
00:32:09,820 --> 00:32:13,260
S4: must really love us. That's cute.

624
00:32:13,300 --> 00:32:14,100
S3: Double mailing.

625
00:32:14,580 --> 00:32:17,820
S4: Double cards. This year we've got just one official Carl

626
00:32:17,820 --> 00:32:20,340
S4: and Crew Christmas card that we would love to send

627
00:32:20,340 --> 00:32:23,060
S4: to you by virtually. We'll send it to you on

628
00:32:23,060 --> 00:32:28,820
S4: an E copy. So just text card to (800) 555-7898. If

629
00:32:28,820 --> 00:32:32,100
S4: you want the official Carl Crew Christmas card sent to

630
00:32:32,100 --> 00:32:37,760
S4: your phone, just text Card to 800 555 7898.

631
00:32:37,800 --> 00:32:40,760
S3: Yeah, it's the most recent photo. It's not an oldie.

632
00:32:40,800 --> 00:32:41,480
S3: What do you know?

633
00:32:41,520 --> 00:32:43,040
S4: It's hot off the presses.

634
00:32:43,080 --> 00:32:50,120
S3: Yeah. And, uh. Grab it. Text card to 800 555, 78, 98.

635
00:32:50,120 --> 00:32:51,760
S3: And you get a peek at what in the world

636
00:32:51,760 --> 00:32:54,800
S3: your team looks like here. Boom! Crew. It's pretty cool.

637
00:32:56,360 --> 00:32:58,200
S3: I don't know what else to say about that. I'm

638
00:32:58,200 --> 00:32:59,440
S3: kind of. No. Okay.

639
00:32:59,440 --> 00:33:01,160
S12: Just leave it there. Merry Christmas.

640
00:33:01,160 --> 00:33:02,760
S3: Everybody. It's all we can say.

641
00:33:03,400 --> 00:33:07,400
S2: Walking closer to Jesus every day. You're listening to Carl

642
00:33:07,400 --> 00:33:07,960
S2: and crew.

643
00:33:08,240 --> 00:33:11,400
S3: Ah. Wow. Carl and crew. Uh, you know, we've had

644
00:33:11,400 --> 00:33:15,200
S3: a week. And one of our dearest friends here to

645
00:33:15,240 --> 00:33:17,640
S3: the show. She can't come in here all the time,

646
00:33:17,640 --> 00:33:20,520
S3: but when she does, she flat brings the heat here. Alan.

647
00:33:21,560 --> 00:33:25,600
S4: Absolutely. You normally hear her in the afternoons here on

648
00:33:25,600 --> 00:33:29,400
S4: Moody Radio. Janet Parshall I mean, her voice is very distinct.

649
00:33:29,760 --> 00:33:31,680
S4: She has a true radio voice where you hear the

650
00:33:31,680 --> 00:33:33,860
S4: voice and you immediately know who's talking.

651
00:33:33,900 --> 00:33:36,500
S3: Yeah, that's. That would be Janet.

652
00:33:37,100 --> 00:33:40,420
S4: Janet. Partial agreed to wake up a little early for

653
00:33:40,420 --> 00:33:41,900
S4: us here on Carl and crew.

654
00:33:42,020 --> 00:33:45,979
S3: Yep. She sure has. This is Kari Jobe. Adore him. Janet. Partial.

655
00:33:45,980 --> 00:33:49,820
S3: Coming up. And we're going to picture some open ended questions,

656
00:33:49,820 --> 00:33:53,180
S3: and let's just see where God leads us today.

657
00:33:53,540 --> 00:33:58,260
S2: She's a choreographer extraordinaire, and everything is Greek to her.

658
00:33:58,540 --> 00:34:02,340
S2: Super di is in the crew. It's Carl and crew

659
00:34:02,340 --> 00:34:03,700
S2: on Moody Radio.

660
00:34:03,740 --> 00:34:08,140
S3: Well, I got the solution because Janet always brings it.

661
00:34:08,219 --> 00:34:11,660
S3: So maybe the new name in the New Jerusalem is

662
00:34:11,660 --> 00:34:14,859
S3: Janet full on instead of Janet? Partial.

663
00:34:14,900 --> 00:34:15,540
S12: What do you.

664
00:34:18,180 --> 00:34:19,060
S3: Oh, God.

665
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S12: She's going to get a new name. Yes. You do.

666
00:34:21,219 --> 00:34:21,580
S12: New name?

667
00:34:21,620 --> 00:34:23,660
S3: No, that's my point. You do get a new name.

668
00:34:23,660 --> 00:34:27,460
S3: It could be. And he introduces you to Janet and Craig.

669
00:34:27,500 --> 00:34:30,420
S3: Full on good to have him in the New Jerusalem today.

670
00:34:32,920 --> 00:34:37,239
S4: Oh, Janet Parshall, our guest this morning. She's been broadcasting

671
00:34:37,239 --> 00:34:39,799
S4: from the nation's capital for over three decades. You know

672
00:34:39,800 --> 00:34:42,360
S4: her voice well in the market with Janet Parshall. Airs

673
00:34:42,360 --> 00:34:45,160
S4: weekdays in the afternoons right here on Moody Radio.

674
00:34:45,200 --> 00:34:49,520
S3: Yeah. Janet, we're having a lot of great content here.

675
00:34:49,520 --> 00:34:51,440
S3: And you're going to bring it today, but you're calling

676
00:34:51,440 --> 00:34:53,040
S3: it All Star Week, so we had to get you

677
00:34:53,040 --> 00:34:56,520
S3: in here. Janet got a real serious question here for

678
00:34:56,520 --> 00:35:00,400
S3: you is you've looked at the landscape of radio over

679
00:35:00,400 --> 00:35:03,640
S3: a few years. What is God doing right now from

680
00:35:03,640 --> 00:35:04,840
S3: your vantage point?

681
00:35:05,239 --> 00:35:08,640
S12: Well, he's certainly using radio. And for that I'm very humbled.

682
00:35:08,680 --> 00:35:11,000
S12: I think that when you look at the culture at large,

683
00:35:11,000 --> 00:35:12,799
S12: you understand that there's a hole in the heart of

684
00:35:12,800 --> 00:35:15,279
S12: this community. All of those things we read about in

685
00:35:15,280 --> 00:35:20,040
S12: Matthew 24 lawlessness, love growing cold, um, just all of

686
00:35:20,040 --> 00:35:22,680
S12: those things that we're seeing that are supposed to happen

687
00:35:22,680 --> 00:35:25,080
S12: seem to be happening. The the set, if you will,

688
00:35:25,080 --> 00:35:28,040
S12: is being moved around and there's really a hunger and

689
00:35:28,040 --> 00:35:30,080
S12: a pain out there. I mean, can you imagine over

690
00:35:30,080 --> 00:35:33,890
S12: one weekend we talk about what's going on in Australia,

691
00:35:33,890 --> 00:35:37,730
S12: and anti-Semitism becomes the catalyst for the death of 15 people.

692
00:35:37,770 --> 00:35:40,330
S12: A mentally ill son who's addicted to drugs slits the

693
00:35:40,330 --> 00:35:42,730
S12: throats of his parents. I mean, who would have thought

694
00:35:42,730 --> 00:35:45,930
S12: in a million years we'd see headline after headline after headline.

695
00:35:45,930 --> 00:35:48,089
S12: But as a believer in Christ, you stop, you step

696
00:35:48,090 --> 00:35:49,610
S12: back and you look and you say, wait a minute.

697
00:35:49,610 --> 00:35:52,570
S12: This is all an indication that our mailing address is

698
00:35:52,610 --> 00:35:55,890
S12: east of Eden. This is not as good as it gets.

699
00:35:55,930 --> 00:35:59,210
S12: And the culture is groaning, just like Scripture said. And now,

700
00:35:59,250 --> 00:36:02,009
S12: more than ever before, we need to be bold and unashamed,

701
00:36:02,050 --> 00:36:04,250
S12: proclaiming the gospel of Jesus Christ.

702
00:36:04,290 --> 00:36:06,970
S4: You know, we think about being in the Christmas season, Janet,

703
00:36:06,969 --> 00:36:09,969
S4: and there, you know, the messaging around Christmas, whether it's

704
00:36:10,010 --> 00:36:13,930
S4: on packaging and songs and stores and in movies, everybody

705
00:36:13,930 --> 00:36:18,610
S4: can come around the idea of joy and festivity and

706
00:36:18,610 --> 00:36:22,490
S4: family and togetherness and even sort of a generic sense

707
00:36:22,489 --> 00:36:26,489
S4: of faith in something bigger, grander, sweeter than what we

708
00:36:26,530 --> 00:36:30,090
S4: currently have. But when you mention the name Jesus, that's

709
00:36:30,090 --> 00:36:34,150
S4: the stopping point. We celebrate Christmas in many different ways

710
00:36:34,150 --> 00:36:37,950
S4: in our culture without Jesus. Speak to that a little bit.

711
00:36:38,310 --> 00:36:40,310
S12: First of all, what an opportunity for us, the saints.

712
00:36:40,350 --> 00:36:42,830
S12: I mean, this is nothing new under the sun. I always,

713
00:36:42,830 --> 00:36:45,669
S12: by the way, say Merry Christmas. I never say Happy Holidays.

714
00:36:45,830 --> 00:36:48,550
S12: I figure it's a wonderful opportunity because what we're saying

715
00:36:48,550 --> 00:36:50,870
S12: in the transmission of those words is we are celebrating

716
00:36:50,870 --> 00:36:53,590
S12: the birth of Christ. But when you think about it, also,

717
00:36:53,630 --> 00:36:56,669
S12: the profundity of this season cannot be overlooked. And that's

718
00:36:56,670 --> 00:36:59,670
S12: what the culture misses. It becomes all about economics. It

719
00:36:59,670 --> 00:37:02,910
S12: becomes about tradition. It becomes about all of the other stuff.

720
00:37:02,910 --> 00:37:05,470
S12: But the stuff that really matters is that the King

721
00:37:05,510 --> 00:37:08,790
S12: of creation left the splendor of the throne room, came

722
00:37:08,790 --> 00:37:12,150
S12: down in a very unexpected way. Didn't come as a conqueror.

723
00:37:12,190 --> 00:37:15,390
S12: That day is coming, comes as a baby with a

724
00:37:15,390 --> 00:37:17,069
S12: death sentence. I mean, we don't like to think of

725
00:37:17,070 --> 00:37:19,870
S12: babies and death at the same time, but in our house,

726
00:37:19,870 --> 00:37:22,029
S12: there's a Christmas ornament that we hang at the base

727
00:37:22,030 --> 00:37:25,390
S12: of the tree. That's a spike representing the cross. Yes,

728
00:37:25,430 --> 00:37:28,750
S12: because at Christmas time, it isn't just about this precious baby.

729
00:37:28,790 --> 00:37:32,649
S12: And babies are delightful and wonderful, and the incarnation, if

730
00:37:32,650 --> 00:37:35,050
S12: you will, of joy at Christmas. But it's also about

731
00:37:35,050 --> 00:37:38,770
S12: one who came to die. A king who came, humbled himself,

732
00:37:38,770 --> 00:37:41,410
S12: walked among us so he could be fully acquainted with

733
00:37:41,410 --> 00:37:44,810
S12: the human condition, bore our sins we are healed by

734
00:37:44,810 --> 00:37:47,810
S12: his stripes, dies on the cross, and then conquers death

735
00:37:47,810 --> 00:37:50,930
S12: by resurrecting. That's not a tiny message. That's the greatest

736
00:37:50,930 --> 00:37:53,770
S12: message humanity has ever heard. So in our house, for example,

737
00:37:53,770 --> 00:37:56,330
S12: we don't like to send out Christmas cards that have

738
00:37:56,330 --> 00:37:58,930
S12: Santa on it. I'm all about the tradition. I love literature,

739
00:37:58,930 --> 00:38:01,770
S12: it's one of those great things, but in reality, it's

740
00:38:01,770 --> 00:38:04,529
S12: an opportunity to be able to share the gospel of

741
00:38:04,530 --> 00:38:07,330
S12: Jesus Christ. Sometimes it's awkward to do it in the culture.

742
00:38:07,330 --> 00:38:11,450
S12: Christmas doors are flung open, and we absolutely should take

743
00:38:11,450 --> 00:38:14,130
S12: advantage of the fact that this is a carte blanche

744
00:38:14,250 --> 00:38:16,610
S12: to share the gospel like no other time of the year.

745
00:38:17,130 --> 00:38:19,969
S3: Love it Janet. Our guest right now coming up, we

746
00:38:20,010 --> 00:38:23,489
S3: have been really championing for, well, ten years that I've

747
00:38:23,489 --> 00:38:26,169
S3: been here, but it seems like things are really ramping up.

748
00:38:26,170 --> 00:38:30,790
S3: We've seen thousands of people surrender to Jesus. And, Janet,

749
00:38:30,790 --> 00:38:32,790
S3: I'm going to ask you to interact in just a

750
00:38:32,790 --> 00:38:36,790
S3: moment with what the real gospel is. The Apostle Paul says,

751
00:38:36,910 --> 00:38:40,549
S3: if you're bringing a different gospel, be accursed. Take that

752
00:38:40,550 --> 00:38:44,670
S3: platform away. Get that mic out of your hand. Strong language.

753
00:38:44,670 --> 00:38:48,110
S3: Why is he so zealous for the real gospel even

754
00:38:48,110 --> 00:38:50,910
S3: in Christmas? More than a partial straight ahead.

755
00:38:51,870 --> 00:38:55,630
S2: Start your day moving closer to Jesus. You're listening to

756
00:38:55,670 --> 00:38:56,750
S2: Carl and crew.

757
00:38:56,910 --> 00:38:59,589
S3: Janet, partial our guest. What a joy to have her

758
00:38:59,590 --> 00:39:00,549
S3: in here. Right, Allie?

759
00:39:00,590 --> 00:39:03,430
S4: Yes. Normally heard in the afternoons on in the market

760
00:39:03,430 --> 00:39:06,709
S4: with Janet Parshall here on Moody Radio. But joining us

761
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S4: for the morning.

762
00:39:07,950 --> 00:39:10,270
S3: You know, we've been saying something on the morning show

763
00:39:10,270 --> 00:39:13,670
S3: now for a number of months. We've really been spiking this,

764
00:39:13,670 --> 00:39:17,870
S3: that the gospel without repentance is no gospel at all.

765
00:39:17,870 --> 00:39:22,950
S3: We've used words for a generation plus Janet of except Jesus,

766
00:39:22,950 --> 00:39:25,670
S3: slip your hand in the air, maybe stand and say,

767
00:39:25,670 --> 00:39:31,050
S3: I believe. But there is a very clear distinction. Especially

768
00:39:31,050 --> 00:39:34,130
S3: I'm thinking of Mark chapter one. I think it's verse 14.

769
00:39:34,130 --> 00:39:38,569
S3: Jesus spoke the words himself. He says the kingdom is

770
00:39:38,570 --> 00:39:43,610
S3: at hand. Repent and be saved. This call to repentance

771
00:39:43,650 --> 00:39:47,930
S3: is not just add Jesus to you, it's the total

772
00:39:47,969 --> 00:39:51,930
S3: turning away from the broad path onto this narrow path.

773
00:39:52,210 --> 00:39:54,730
S3: Apart from it, we are not fit for the Kingdom

774
00:39:54,730 --> 00:39:58,450
S3: of God. You've heard the gospel given, and I'm using

775
00:39:58,450 --> 00:40:00,690
S3: that in air quotes because the Apostle Paul says, if

776
00:40:00,690 --> 00:40:04,730
S3: you're bringing a different gospel, be accursed. You've heard a

777
00:40:04,770 --> 00:40:09,050
S3: lot over the years. Why is repentance such a key

778
00:40:09,090 --> 00:40:12,330
S3: element in the presentation of the good news?

779
00:40:12,730 --> 00:40:15,049
S12: I believe it 100%. And let me just affirm what

780
00:40:15,050 --> 00:40:17,009
S12: you're saying and why you're on to something here. I

781
00:40:17,010 --> 00:40:20,450
S12: just talked to Doctor George Barnett, who does this American

782
00:40:20,450 --> 00:40:25,290
S12: Worldview inventory through the Christian Research Center at Arizona Christian University.

783
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S12: And the latest iteration of the inventory is the issue

784
00:40:28,860 --> 00:40:32,379
S12: of salvation. And when he interviewed people who even identify

785
00:40:32,380 --> 00:40:36,420
S12: as Christians, they don't add repentance to the conversation. They

786
00:40:36,420 --> 00:40:38,939
S12: do exactly what you just said. So the data out there,

787
00:40:38,940 --> 00:40:42,060
S12: the objective black ink on white paper, says exactly what

788
00:40:42,060 --> 00:40:44,500
S12: you just said, Carl, that it's Jesus. Raise your hand.

789
00:40:44,500 --> 00:40:46,620
S12: It's all done. Don't have to do anything. Wait a minute.

790
00:40:46,620 --> 00:40:50,020
S12: Repent means we have to turn away. If we confess

791
00:40:50,020 --> 00:40:52,219
S12: with our heart that Jesus is Lord and believe in

792
00:40:52,219 --> 00:40:53,819
S12: our heart that God has raised him from the dead,

793
00:40:53,820 --> 00:40:56,379
S12: we will be saved. Repentance means there has to be

794
00:40:56,380 --> 00:40:58,939
S12: a change. There has to be a turning away. And

795
00:40:58,940 --> 00:41:01,819
S12: if we just say, oh, Jesus loves everybody and I

796
00:41:01,820 --> 00:41:03,660
S12: just want him into my heart, but we're not willing

797
00:41:03,700 --> 00:41:06,020
S12: to let him come in and conform and transform us

798
00:41:06,020 --> 00:41:08,419
S12: to his image. Then what have we done? We have

799
00:41:08,420 --> 00:41:11,899
S12: not allowed the workings of the Inner Spirit, the Holy

800
00:41:11,900 --> 00:41:14,340
S12: Spirit in our inner man, to be able to completely

801
00:41:14,340 --> 00:41:17,940
S12: change who we are. So repentance means, Lord, I just

802
00:41:17,940 --> 00:41:20,180
S12: fall on my face before you. I want to be

803
00:41:20,180 --> 00:41:22,340
S12: in agreement with you that this fill in the blank

804
00:41:22,380 --> 00:41:25,660
S12: your book, Karl, is sin, and I want to present

805
00:41:25,660 --> 00:41:27,839
S12: that to you. And I want it eradicated out of

806
00:41:27,840 --> 00:41:29,759
S12: my life. And you're a promise keeping God. And you

807
00:41:29,760 --> 00:41:32,800
S12: said if I confessed, you'd forgive. And I want that now.

808
00:41:32,800 --> 00:41:36,960
S12: Now change me, redirect me, put me on a new path.

809
00:41:36,960 --> 00:41:39,160
S12: And if we don't do that, then what it is,

810
00:41:39,200 --> 00:41:42,160
S12: is it's just lip service. If I'm really broken and

811
00:41:42,160 --> 00:41:45,160
S12: Christianity is about being broken, and that's not a, you know,

812
00:41:45,160 --> 00:41:47,239
S12: that's not a real good, attractive reason to say sign

813
00:41:47,239 --> 00:41:49,520
S12: up to be a Christian because you're going to be broken. Well,

814
00:41:49,520 --> 00:41:53,760
S12: you are, and in that brokenness is utter liberty. Submission

815
00:41:53,760 --> 00:41:57,400
S12: is freedom. I know it is so countercultural. It's antithetical

816
00:41:57,400 --> 00:42:00,360
S12: to anything we've ever learned. But coming to Christ and saying,

817
00:42:00,360 --> 00:42:03,400
S12: I don't want me, I want you more of you,

818
00:42:03,520 --> 00:42:08,000
S12: less of me, that wonderful proclamation, I am dead, but

819
00:42:08,000 --> 00:42:11,680
S12: Christ lives in me. That's where our identity is found.

820
00:42:11,680 --> 00:42:13,920
S12: And that can only happen when we're willing to pour

821
00:42:13,920 --> 00:42:16,840
S12: out everything at his feet, including our sin, and saying,

822
00:42:16,880 --> 00:42:21,160
S12: change me, mold me, shape me, forgive me and lead me.

823
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S4: Janet, you know, you mentioned the the Barna statistics that

824
00:42:25,820 --> 00:42:30,060
S4: show that many even professing Christians, fail to include repentance.

825
00:42:30,300 --> 00:42:32,700
S4: Why do you think that is? And we're not about

826
00:42:32,700 --> 00:42:36,660
S4: placing blame here. This isn't about downing anyone or any

827
00:42:36,660 --> 00:42:39,460
S4: institution or anything like that. But what do you think

828
00:42:39,460 --> 00:42:41,940
S4: has caused that? I mean, there's never been more access

829
00:42:41,940 --> 00:42:46,660
S4: to a good Bible, a good translations in paper form,

830
00:42:46,660 --> 00:42:51,540
S4: in digital form podcasts. So many people talking about the gospel.

831
00:42:51,700 --> 00:42:53,060
S4: Where is the disconnect?

832
00:42:53,460 --> 00:42:55,899
S12: First of all, it's an excellent question. And I'm going

833
00:42:55,900 --> 00:42:57,779
S12: to tell you what Doctor George Barna said because I

834
00:42:57,780 --> 00:43:00,700
S12: asked him that exact same question. And the disconnect is

835
00:43:00,700 --> 00:43:05,259
S12: this we want a cushy, comfortable Christianity. Yes. And that comfortable,

836
00:43:05,260 --> 00:43:09,980
S12: cushy Christianity results in sloppy thinking about eternity. And what

837
00:43:09,980 --> 00:43:12,259
S12: we need to be thinking about is that repentance is

838
00:43:12,260 --> 00:43:16,140
S12: inexorably connected to eternity. I'm going to be spending the

839
00:43:16,140 --> 00:43:19,580
S12: rest of eternity with Jesus Christ. This is so temporal.

840
00:43:19,739 --> 00:43:23,140
S12: But what we want are easy access to Christianity. We

841
00:43:23,140 --> 00:43:26,719
S12: want an easy, manageable God, where I don't have to change.

842
00:43:26,960 --> 00:43:29,839
S12: He becomes the great ATM machine in the sky. I

843
00:43:29,880 --> 00:43:32,719
S12: get what I want and there's no commitment on my part.

844
00:43:32,760 --> 00:43:35,319
S12: There's no sacrifice on my part. And I'll use the

845
00:43:35,320 --> 00:43:37,640
S12: word again. There is no submission on that part. So, Ali,

846
00:43:37,640 --> 00:43:40,239
S12: the court to your question is we want comfort. We

847
00:43:40,239 --> 00:43:43,560
S12: are a comfort seeking culture and we want a comfortable

848
00:43:43,560 --> 00:43:47,280
S12: kind of Christianity. If you want comfortable Christianity, you're barking

849
00:43:47,280 --> 00:43:50,680
S12: up the wrong tree because Christianity is anything but comfortable.

850
00:43:50,880 --> 00:43:53,320
S12: You know, I love what C.S. Lewis said about the scriptures.

851
00:43:53,320 --> 00:43:56,120
S12: It's not the part of Scripture that I don't understand

852
00:43:56,120 --> 00:43:57,799
S12: that I have a problem with. It's the part that

853
00:43:57,800 --> 00:44:00,440
S12: I do understand and don't want to apply to my life.

854
00:44:00,440 --> 00:44:02,480
S12: And that's really what the majority of it is for

855
00:44:02,480 --> 00:44:05,960
S12: all of us, is that this is about dying to yourself.

856
00:44:05,960 --> 00:44:08,120
S12: And I know it's so bizarre. It's like he's talking

857
00:44:08,160 --> 00:44:10,520
S12: a foreign language out of Star Trek or something, but

858
00:44:10,719 --> 00:44:14,040
S12: the idea of completely submitting to him, creating utter and

859
00:44:14,040 --> 00:44:17,920
S12: total freedom in our lives, it's so countercultural. And I

860
00:44:17,920 --> 00:44:20,200
S12: don't know about you. That's that's the radical in me.

861
00:44:20,200 --> 00:44:23,080
S12: I love being countercultural. I wouldn't want anything but to

862
00:44:23,120 --> 00:44:26,980
S12: be countercultural, because that means that I don't have temporal

863
00:44:26,980 --> 00:44:31,100
S12: situational happiness and peace. I have eternal, everlasting peace that

864
00:44:31,100 --> 00:44:33,580
S12: passes understanding given to me by the one who said,

865
00:44:33,580 --> 00:44:35,379
S12: it's not the kind of peace the world gives you.

866
00:44:35,380 --> 00:44:37,259
S12: It's the kind of peace that I give you that

867
00:44:37,260 --> 00:44:40,739
S12: will give you happiness, joy, comfort and solitude.

868
00:44:41,020 --> 00:44:45,860
S3: You know, it's interesting Lewis spoke of the great temptation

869
00:44:45,860 --> 00:44:51,220
S3: and the way Satan strategizes I just wonder, it seems

870
00:44:51,219 --> 00:44:53,020
S3: to me that there's a lot of parents and we

871
00:44:53,020 --> 00:44:55,300
S3: have a lot of parents and grandparents listening right now

872
00:44:55,940 --> 00:45:00,299
S3: who want something so badly for their kids that we

873
00:45:00,340 --> 00:45:05,060
S3: sometimes lower the bar on the gospel, but we provide

874
00:45:05,060 --> 00:45:09,780
S3: then a deep, I call it a hallucination of salvation.

875
00:45:10,060 --> 00:45:14,339
S3: Children wind up seeing something in themselves that isn't there.

876
00:45:14,780 --> 00:45:20,339
S3: And I wonder if if the greatest threat to the

877
00:45:20,380 --> 00:45:25,759
S3: real gospel isn't that we mean so well. But we

878
00:45:25,800 --> 00:45:27,799
S3: come up then, so short of the mark of what

879
00:45:27,840 --> 00:45:30,080
S3: our kids need. Look, I've got adult kids now. I've

880
00:45:30,080 --> 00:45:33,200
S3: got a granddaughter. Here's the funny thing. I don't want

881
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S3: my kids to hurt in ways that I was hurting

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S3: as a kid. But we have to understand that there's

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S3: a certain pain involved in facing the reality of our sinfulness,

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S3: and that we need a Savior. That's what makes Christmas. Christmas. Janet.

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S12: Yeah, yeah. Carol, I hear the question within the question

886
00:45:55,560 --> 00:45:59,160
S12: and the angst within the comment. Because when we're parents

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00:45:59,160 --> 00:46:01,279
S12: of adult children, we can't do what we did when

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00:46:01,280 --> 00:46:02,920
S12: they were babies, when we knew that they were going

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00:46:02,960 --> 00:46:04,399
S12: to fall and they were just about to hit their

890
00:46:04,400 --> 00:46:06,399
S12: head on the coffee table, we could lunge, grab them,

891
00:46:06,400 --> 00:46:09,160
S12: pull them back and protect them. Can't do that. I

892
00:46:09,160 --> 00:46:12,760
S12: would take toilet training any day over raising an adult child.

893
00:46:12,760 --> 00:46:16,680
S12: It's so much easier, believe me, at that age. But

894
00:46:16,719 --> 00:46:18,759
S12: the thing that we have to understand is that, and

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S12: I have gone back to this in my prayer life.

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S12: I was just talking to the Lord last night, thanking

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S12: him that I have such easy access to the throne

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S12: of grace, that I can intercede for my children, that

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S12: I can plead for their safety, for their physical, emotional,

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S12: mental and spiritual protection. That he can put a hedge

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00:46:33,730 --> 00:46:36,250
S12: of protection around them. That I can go before the

902
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S12: Lord and say, Lord, do what's necessary to bring them

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S12: home to you. That's a hard prayer, because I have

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S12: seen in my four children's life ways in which the

905
00:46:44,010 --> 00:46:46,250
S12: Lord has said, I'm going to bring you home not

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S12: by way you expected. And it may be a difficult route,

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00:46:48,930 --> 00:46:51,290
S12: but when you're done, you're going to be refined. And

908
00:46:51,290 --> 00:46:54,009
S12: that's exactly what he's doing in my life. Why can

909
00:46:54,010 --> 00:46:55,649
S12: I not pray that for my kids? And so the

910
00:46:55,650 --> 00:46:59,770
S12: reality is sometimes that tough love says, first and foremost, Lord,

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00:46:59,770 --> 00:47:02,169
S12: you love them. In fact, this is always a prayer

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00:47:02,170 --> 00:47:03,689
S12: I say to the Lord. As much as I love

913
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S12: my babies, I can never love them, Lord, as much

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S12: as you love them. And I thank you for that.

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S12: So because of that reality, do what is necessary to

916
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S12: bring them home to you. Rekindle the spark. Reignite the

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S12: love that they need for you. Bring in Christian friends

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S12: in their lives. Make them jealous for the relationship that

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S12: friend has with Jesus, so they would want the same

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00:47:22,910 --> 00:47:25,790
S12: thing in their life as well. And sometimes it means

921
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S12: standing at the door while your kid eats with pigs

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S12: and that's tough. But if that's what it takes before

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S12: they turn, repent and come home, then be it. That's

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00:47:35,870 --> 00:47:36,790
S12: the way it has to be.

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S3: Janet. We love you. And and I mean that. God

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S3: is our father. You are my sister and sister. You

927
00:47:44,870 --> 00:47:49,350
S3: are a choice, sister. Indeed. We're grateful for you. I

928
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S3: want you boom crew to know this. That if you

929
00:47:51,590 --> 00:47:54,790
S3: haven't tuned in lately or you never have, some of

930
00:47:54,790 --> 00:47:57,430
S3: you commute in the mornings or you've just found our

931
00:47:57,430 --> 00:48:01,910
S3: program here recently. There is a goldmine going on in

932
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S3: the afternoons around here, right?

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S4: Absolutely. In the market with Janet Parshall, it's 4 to

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S4: 6 p.m. central time, but check your listings for if

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S4: you are not in Central time in the market with

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S4: Janet Parshall. Just text market to (800) 555-7898. Text market to (800) 555-7898.