1 00:00:05,680 --> 00:00:09,039 S1: It's time. That's right. Today we transform the radio backyard 2 00:00:09,039 --> 00:00:13,400 S1: fence into a place of ideas, encouragement, and a writing 3 00:00:13,400 --> 00:00:16,320 S1: round table. Have you ever felt like you have a 4 00:00:16,320 --> 00:00:18,840 S1: book inside you that God has given you some kind 5 00:00:18,840 --> 00:00:21,960 S1: of message to convey? And since your life has been 6 00:00:21,960 --> 00:00:24,520 S1: informed by the writing of others, you want to do 7 00:00:24,520 --> 00:00:27,440 S1: the same. I have two guests for you today who 8 00:00:27,480 --> 00:00:29,640 S1: are going to be teaching at a writing conference in 9 00:00:29,640 --> 00:00:33,839 S1: Colorado in April, and their advice, their help today might 10 00:00:33,840 --> 00:00:37,960 S1: get you over some kind of roadblock to your writing path. 11 00:00:37,960 --> 00:00:40,599 S1: That's what I hope will happen today on Chris Bey. 12 00:00:40,600 --> 00:00:42,800 S1: Relive the program from the heart to the heart for 13 00:00:42,800 --> 00:00:45,080 S1: the heart. Let's get going first with a thank you 14 00:00:45,080 --> 00:00:47,599 S1: to our team. Ryan McConaughey is doing all things technical. 15 00:00:47,640 --> 00:00:50,159 S1: Trish is our producer. Lisa is in the chair today. 16 00:00:50,479 --> 00:00:53,240 S1: Josh will be answering your calls. And since it's Friday. 17 00:00:53,240 --> 00:00:55,920 S1: That's right. It's time for the fabulous Fabi Friday. So 18 00:00:55,960 --> 00:00:58,600 S1: here's what it does when we oxygenate your blood two 19 00:00:58,640 --> 00:01:02,840 S1: we get your endorphins going? Three we raise your serotonin level. Four, 20 00:01:02,840 --> 00:01:07,560 S1: we promote lymphatic drainage. And five, we stimulate your parasympathetic system. 21 00:01:07,560 --> 00:01:10,319 S1: That's why we call it the five lung languages. We 22 00:01:10,319 --> 00:01:13,959 S1: also stimulate your vagus nerve. We help you release acetylcholine. 23 00:01:13,959 --> 00:01:17,760 S1: And don't you dare forget what it does to cortisol dissipation. 24 00:01:17,800 --> 00:01:19,800 S1: Take in four seconds of air through your nose. Hold 25 00:01:19,800 --> 00:01:22,080 S1: it for seconds, and then as you release that air 26 00:01:22,120 --> 00:01:24,319 S1: through your mouth, push on the left side of your 27 00:01:24,319 --> 00:01:27,080 S1: rib cage to rid of all that bad carbon dioxide. 28 00:01:27,480 --> 00:01:30,040 S1: Today we present a writer's sigh and a sigh for 29 00:01:30,040 --> 00:01:33,280 S1: famous quotes by writers like this one. There is no 30 00:01:33,280 --> 00:01:38,120 S1: greater agony than bearing an untold story inside you, and 31 00:01:38,240 --> 00:01:40,320 S1: you have to write the book that wants to be written. 32 00:01:40,319 --> 00:01:42,880 S1: And if the book will be too difficult for grown ups, 33 00:01:42,880 --> 00:01:46,319 S1: then you write it for children. Then there's no tears 34 00:01:46,319 --> 00:01:49,240 S1: in the writer, no tears in the reader, no surprise 35 00:01:49,240 --> 00:01:52,440 S1: in the writer, no surprise in the reader. And finally, 36 00:01:52,440 --> 00:01:56,360 S1: fill your paper with the breathings of your heart. These 37 00:01:56,360 --> 00:01:58,320 S1: quotes are brought to you by friends and patrons of 38 00:01:58,410 --> 00:02:01,930 S1: Chris Fabry live. All rights reserved. Where prohibited, with thanks 39 00:02:01,930 --> 00:02:08,889 S1: to Maya Angelou, Madeleine L'Engle, Robert Frost, and William Wordsworth, respectively. 40 00:02:09,730 --> 00:02:11,889 S1: Before I introduce our guest, today is the last day 41 00:02:11,889 --> 00:02:14,169 S1: I get to offer you the new book by Gary 42 00:02:14,169 --> 00:02:16,609 S1: and the parrots. All month we have been offering the 43 00:02:16,610 --> 00:02:19,490 S1: love language that matters most by Doctor Gary Chapman and 44 00:02:19,490 --> 00:02:22,250 S1: doctors Les and Leslie Parrott, who are with us a 45 00:02:22,250 --> 00:02:25,370 S1: couple of days ago. Today is my last chance to 46 00:02:25,370 --> 00:02:28,730 S1: tell you that we are only nine gifts away from 47 00:02:28,730 --> 00:02:31,530 S1: our people goal this month. Oh, it's so exciting. I 48 00:02:31,530 --> 00:02:35,169 S1: think we're going to make it go to Chris. You'll 49 00:02:35,169 --> 00:02:36,769 S1: see how you can get a copy. Give a gift 50 00:02:36,770 --> 00:02:39,889 S1: of any size or you can become a back fence partner. 51 00:02:39,889 --> 00:02:42,329 S1: I sent out a video. That's one thing you get 52 00:02:42,330 --> 00:02:44,650 S1: when you become a partner. You give each month. I 53 00:02:44,690 --> 00:02:47,450 S1: sent out a video talking about response to the Steven 54 00:02:47,450 --> 00:02:50,970 S1: McWhirter conversation we had last week. You have to see 55 00:02:50,970 --> 00:02:56,090 S1: what Terri and her dog, how they benefited from that program. 56 00:02:56,410 --> 00:02:59,090 S1: The video is something that you receive when you give 57 00:02:59,130 --> 00:03:03,290 S1: a monthly gift. So go to Chris. The Good Neighbor 58 00:03:03,290 --> 00:03:06,610 S1: Award today goes to Joyce, who gave a gift and said, 59 00:03:06,610 --> 00:03:09,690 S1: I often listen to the program as I feed my goats. 60 00:03:09,730 --> 00:03:12,209 S1: Good to meditate as I work in the barn or 61 00:03:12,210 --> 00:03:14,850 S1: the house, or going to sleep. Joyce, thank you for 62 00:03:14,850 --> 00:03:17,450 S1: your support and I'm going to help you speak the 63 00:03:17,450 --> 00:03:20,530 S1: love language that matters most to your goats today and 64 00:03:20,530 --> 00:03:23,610 S1: every day. If you want a copy of that, if 65 00:03:23,650 --> 00:03:26,530 S1: you want a copy. And I didn't even tell. I 66 00:03:26,530 --> 00:03:28,770 S1: didn't even tell Ryan that I was going to do 67 00:03:28,770 --> 00:03:31,410 S1: the goat thing and look at what he did. Did 68 00:03:31,410 --> 00:03:34,250 S1: everybody hear that? It was that just me? Did you? Yeah. Okay. 69 00:03:34,250 --> 00:03:44,210 S1: Everybody here. 86695538669532279. Don't miss this resource from our heart 70 00:03:44,210 --> 00:03:49,370 S1: to yours. Or just go to Chris. Okay. Enough fun. 71 00:03:49,770 --> 00:03:53,090 S1: I have chosen for your listening pleasure two best selling 72 00:03:53,090 --> 00:03:56,580 S1: authors to this writing roundtable. They are both speakers and 73 00:03:56,580 --> 00:04:00,260 S1: teachers at the upcoming Pinnacle Christian Writers Conference in April 74 00:04:00,260 --> 00:04:03,580 S1: in Colorado. We've got information at the website. So if 75 00:04:03,580 --> 00:04:06,580 S1: you have dreamed of writing and you have a question, 76 00:04:06,820 --> 00:04:10,140 S1: call today. Do not delay. But the main question I 77 00:04:10,180 --> 00:04:13,540 S1: put on Facebook was to give us your best 25 78 00:04:13,540 --> 00:04:17,620 S1: words or less pitch for the book that is inside you. 79 00:04:17,620 --> 00:04:20,140 S1: You have dreamed about writing this. You feel like it 80 00:04:20,140 --> 00:04:23,580 S1: needs to be out there. I and you wake up thinking, oh, 81 00:04:24,100 --> 00:04:26,700 S1: maybe today I'll start that, but you don't know how 82 00:04:26,700 --> 00:04:30,100 S1: to get it from inside here, out onto the page. 83 00:04:30,260 --> 00:04:37,780 S1: Here's our number for the live program today. (877) 548-3675. We 84 00:04:37,779 --> 00:04:41,260 S1: want to hear your question that you have about writing. 85 00:04:41,260 --> 00:04:44,740 S1: Or maybe you're stuck or you're writing fiction or nonfiction, 86 00:04:45,060 --> 00:04:47,980 S1: but I really want to hear from you if, uh. 87 00:04:47,980 --> 00:04:50,540 S1: Or could be a children's book, too. I want to 88 00:04:50,540 --> 00:04:55,500 S1: hear your concise pitch for that novel or that non-fiction 89 00:04:55,500 --> 00:05:02,660 S1: work that you think, oh, this needs to be out there. (877) 548-3675. 90 00:05:02,700 --> 00:05:05,580 S1: Now joining me at the table, Jerry B Jenkins has 91 00:05:05,580 --> 00:05:09,580 S1: written more than 200 books, including 21 New York Times bestsellers, 92 00:05:09,860 --> 00:05:13,260 S1: with sales of more than 73 million copies. Known for 93 00:05:13,260 --> 00:05:17,099 S1: his biblical fiction and times, Fiction Left Behind, and many 94 00:05:17,100 --> 00:05:20,020 S1: other genres, he's writing the novels based on the chosen 95 00:05:20,020 --> 00:05:23,979 S1: television series created and directed by his son, Dallas Jerry. 96 00:05:23,980 --> 00:05:25,580 S1: Welcome back. How are you doing today? 97 00:05:25,620 --> 00:05:27,860 S2: I'm doing great, Chris. Always good to be with you 98 00:05:27,860 --> 00:05:30,620 S2: and and wonderful to be with your other guests too. 99 00:05:30,820 --> 00:05:34,260 S1: Yes. The other guest is Doctor Angela Hunt. She is Christy, 100 00:05:34,260 --> 00:05:36,380 S1: award winning author, and she's won a lot of other 101 00:05:36,380 --> 00:05:42,260 S1: awards too. More than 173 works, ranging from picture books. 102 00:05:42,420 --> 00:05:45,580 S1: I have the tale of the Three Trees right behind me. Uh, 103 00:05:45,580 --> 00:05:49,100 S1: she's written non-fiction. She's written novels. She received a lifetime 104 00:05:49,100 --> 00:05:52,380 S1: achievement award from the American Christian Fiction Writers a few 105 00:05:52,380 --> 00:05:55,349 S1: years ago, her novel The Note was featured as a 106 00:05:55,350 --> 00:05:58,950 S1: Christmas movie on the Hallmark Channel. Go to Chris. Org. 107 00:05:58,990 --> 00:06:01,989 S1: You can see more about Angie right there. Doctor hunt, 108 00:06:01,990 --> 00:06:03,830 S1: welcome back. How you doing today? 109 00:06:03,870 --> 00:06:07,230 S3: I'm good. How are you? I'm so happy to be here. 110 00:06:07,589 --> 00:06:09,790 S1: Well, this is so much fun because I have so 111 00:06:09,790 --> 00:06:12,910 S1: many questions that I. That I want to ask. But 112 00:06:12,910 --> 00:06:15,110 S1: the first one is, Jerry, about this conference that's coming 113 00:06:15,110 --> 00:06:17,589 S1: up in April. You haven't done this for like, a decade. 114 00:06:17,589 --> 00:06:19,590 S1: What pushed you over the edge for this? 115 00:06:20,150 --> 00:06:22,110 S2: Well, yeah, I do feel like I've been pushed over 116 00:06:22,110 --> 00:06:25,590 S2: the edge, but, um, I used to do these when 117 00:06:25,589 --> 00:06:28,510 S2: I had, uh, a team, I had like, ten full 118 00:06:28,550 --> 00:06:32,989 S2: time employees, and, and then I, I streamlined my writers 119 00:06:32,990 --> 00:06:35,710 S2: guild so that it's basically just just me and a 120 00:06:35,710 --> 00:06:38,669 S2: and a few friends. Um, and so I didn't have 121 00:06:38,670 --> 00:06:42,150 S2: the team to do a live conference because it's a 122 00:06:42,150 --> 00:06:45,270 S2: lot of work. It's, you know, the organization of it 123 00:06:45,510 --> 00:06:49,870 S2: is just a daily grind. Um, but Colorado Christian University, 124 00:06:49,870 --> 00:06:52,390 S2: where I serve on the board and have the, uh, 125 00:06:52,390 --> 00:06:56,230 S2: the Jerry Jenkins creative writing major. They said, you know, 126 00:06:56,270 --> 00:06:58,870 S2: how about a conference like this? Can we host one? 127 00:06:59,350 --> 00:07:02,030 S2: And I basically said, yeah, with your help. And so 128 00:07:02,029 --> 00:07:05,870 S2: they've put a big team behind this. And I tell my, 129 00:07:06,070 --> 00:07:09,630 S2: my marketing team that I, that I use personally to, 130 00:07:09,670 --> 00:07:13,270 S2: to not overuse the word excite because you see that everywhere. 131 00:07:13,310 --> 00:07:15,750 S2: We're excited about this. We're excited about that. I have 132 00:07:15,750 --> 00:07:18,070 S2: to say, I can't think of another way to say this. 133 00:07:18,070 --> 00:07:20,150 S2: I'm so excited about this one. It's going to be 134 00:07:20,150 --> 00:07:21,790 S2: a fantastic conference. 135 00:07:21,830 --> 00:07:24,830 S1: Yes, Angela, are you going to be there? Did you 136 00:07:24,870 --> 00:07:27,510 S1: early on, did you ever go to a writer's conference 137 00:07:27,510 --> 00:07:30,030 S1: and did one help you or through the years? 138 00:07:30,910 --> 00:07:35,309 S3: Um, no, I really when I started, I really didn't 139 00:07:35,310 --> 00:07:38,190 S3: know what I was doing. I just read every book 140 00:07:38,190 --> 00:07:41,990 S3: on the craft that I could read, I found videos. 141 00:07:41,990 --> 00:07:45,790 S3: This was before the internet was invented, so YouTube didn't exist. 142 00:07:46,150 --> 00:07:50,350 S3: And so I would, like, buy videos from writing experts 143 00:07:50,440 --> 00:07:53,320 S3: and watch them and study. And it was really just 144 00:07:53,320 --> 00:07:57,680 S3: sort of self-taught. And, um, so now one of my 145 00:07:57,680 --> 00:07:59,920 S3: greatest joys is teaching other people how to do it, 146 00:07:59,920 --> 00:08:01,960 S3: because it's a lot easier these days when you have 147 00:08:01,960 --> 00:08:05,360 S3: a conference where you can go and learn in a weekend. 148 00:08:05,360 --> 00:08:07,520 S3: What took me several years to learn? 149 00:08:07,760 --> 00:08:10,320 S1: Yeah. And you get face to face. It's not just, 150 00:08:10,360 --> 00:08:12,840 S1: you know, I'm standing way up there, but right in 151 00:08:12,840 --> 00:08:15,400 S1: front of you to ask some of those questions. What 152 00:08:15,400 --> 00:08:17,760 S1: do you think, Angie is the biggest hurdle for people 153 00:08:17,760 --> 00:08:19,600 S1: who want to write right now? 154 00:08:21,120 --> 00:08:26,040 S3: Well, part of the thing, I think, is it's so easy. Um, 155 00:08:26,040 --> 00:08:30,360 S3: people have computers in their homes, and self publishing is 156 00:08:30,360 --> 00:08:33,520 S3: simple and they think, oh, anybody can sit down and 157 00:08:33,520 --> 00:08:35,800 S3: write a book. And so a lot of people do 158 00:08:35,840 --> 00:08:39,360 S3: without really studying the craft. And then they put a 159 00:08:39,360 --> 00:08:42,800 S3: book out there that isn't as well received as they 160 00:08:42,800 --> 00:08:46,520 S3: would like, and it's because they haven't taken the time 161 00:08:46,520 --> 00:08:51,320 S3: to really learn how to communicate a message and what 162 00:08:51,320 --> 00:08:54,959 S3: is going to work for people in the marketplace. And 163 00:08:54,960 --> 00:08:57,920 S3: so that's why I'm so grateful for conferences like this 164 00:08:57,920 --> 00:09:01,360 S3: Pinnacle conference, because you can learn there's a lot more 165 00:09:01,360 --> 00:09:04,800 S3: to it than just sitting down and pouring your heart 166 00:09:04,800 --> 00:09:08,000 S3: out on the page. That part's important, but there are 167 00:09:08,000 --> 00:09:10,280 S3: a lot of other factors to consider as well. 168 00:09:10,520 --> 00:09:11,440 S1: Do you agree, Jerry? 169 00:09:12,000 --> 00:09:15,640 S2: I do. Um, and when you talk about writer's conferences 170 00:09:15,640 --> 00:09:19,480 S2: in our histories, um, I was very fortunate in my 171 00:09:19,480 --> 00:09:23,559 S2: early 20s and we're talking, you know, 50 years ago now, uh, 172 00:09:23,840 --> 00:09:26,439 S2: little more than that, uh, to be an editor at 173 00:09:26,440 --> 00:09:31,679 S2: Scripture Press. Um, and I went to writers conferences representing them. 174 00:09:31,679 --> 00:09:34,240 S2: I had not been to one myself. I'd come up 175 00:09:34,240 --> 00:09:37,600 S2: through the newspaper business and, and, uh, but I get 176 00:09:37,600 --> 00:09:41,480 S2: to this conference and I heard great speakers, but because 177 00:09:41,480 --> 00:09:44,360 S2: I was an editor, people would sort of flock to 178 00:09:44,360 --> 00:09:47,040 S2: all the editors. And I thought, wow, I need to 179 00:09:47,040 --> 00:09:49,650 S2: learn a lot before I start trying to teach these 180 00:09:49,650 --> 00:09:54,010 S2: people what they think I know. And I remember James 181 00:09:54,010 --> 00:09:56,809 S2: Earl Johnson was one of the first speakers I heard, 182 00:09:57,050 --> 00:10:00,370 S2: and he was just drop dead honest. And when people 183 00:10:00,370 --> 00:10:03,250 S2: would give him an idea or show him some stuff, 184 00:10:03,610 --> 00:10:06,410 S2: he if he if it wasn't good, he would tell him. 185 00:10:06,610 --> 00:10:08,770 S2: And I thought, you know, it took me years to, 186 00:10:08,809 --> 00:10:12,650 S2: to become um, that not not I don't think I 187 00:10:12,650 --> 00:10:15,850 S2: ever got as blunt as Jim, but for so long 188 00:10:15,850 --> 00:10:18,449 S2: I was so diplomatic, I don't think I was helping people. 189 00:10:18,450 --> 00:10:20,770 S2: I was just trying to encourage them, which they need, 190 00:10:21,170 --> 00:10:23,170 S2: but they also need the truth. And maybe that's something 191 00:10:23,170 --> 00:10:25,970 S2: we can offer today. Uh, Angie and I go back 192 00:10:25,970 --> 00:10:30,970 S2: decades and, uh, you know it. We've taught together. The 193 00:10:30,970 --> 00:10:33,970 S2: only thing we haven't done together, I think, is right. But, uh, 194 00:10:33,970 --> 00:10:35,569 S2: that'd be fun to do someday, too. 195 00:10:35,929 --> 00:10:39,329 S1: Well, you've edited both of us, uh, a number of times. 196 00:10:39,370 --> 00:10:43,490 S1: And very difficult editing. A lot of read. You. You 197 00:10:43,530 --> 00:10:46,930 S1: ran through a lot of red ink in order to 198 00:10:46,970 --> 00:10:49,010 S1: at least edit me. I tell you that right now. 199 00:10:49,050 --> 00:10:52,170 S2: Me too, I think. I think people don't realize that 200 00:10:52,210 --> 00:10:56,530 S2: you and I, Chris, have actually written 55 books together. 201 00:10:57,170 --> 00:10:57,970 S1: Isn't that crazy? 202 00:10:58,370 --> 00:10:58,650 S2: It is. 203 00:10:58,690 --> 00:11:00,810 S1: Isn't that crazy? And I didn't write any of it. 204 00:11:00,850 --> 00:11:05,090 S1: It was all Jerry. But he let me put my 205 00:11:05,090 --> 00:11:07,490 S1: name on it. Okay. So here's here's the thing. And 206 00:11:07,490 --> 00:11:09,809 S1: I've got a tip for going to a writers conference, 207 00:11:09,809 --> 00:11:12,330 S1: because something happened to me a few years ago. But 208 00:11:12,330 --> 00:11:14,610 S1: I'll get to that later. I want to hear from you. 209 00:11:14,650 --> 00:11:20,050 S1: We got lions open for you right now. (877) 548-3675. You 210 00:11:20,090 --> 00:11:22,370 S1: got a book idea? There's a book in here. You 211 00:11:22,410 --> 00:11:25,050 S1: want to get it out? What is the topic? Give 212 00:11:25,050 --> 00:11:27,930 S1: me a 25. Give me an elevator pitch of what 213 00:11:27,929 --> 00:11:32,329 S1: your book is, and Jerry and Angela will respond to you. 214 00:11:32,330 --> 00:11:49,700 S1: Or if you have a writing question, (877) 548-3675. It's a 215 00:11:49,740 --> 00:11:52,900 S1: writers roundtable today on Chris Fabry live with Jerry Jenkins 216 00:11:52,900 --> 00:11:56,860 S1: and Angela Hunt. And you. What is your idea for 217 00:11:56,860 --> 00:11:58,820 S1: a book that's in here that you want to tell 218 00:11:58,820 --> 00:12:02,579 S1: them about? Get some immediate feedback. I've got 3 or 219 00:12:02,580 --> 00:12:08,339 S1: 4 lines open for you now. (877) 548-3675. You find out 220 00:12:08,340 --> 00:12:11,780 S1: more about Jerry and Angela at Chris Fabry org. And 221 00:12:11,780 --> 00:12:14,620 S1: we have a link to that Pinnacle Christian Writers conference 222 00:12:15,059 --> 00:12:17,620 S1: that is coming up in April. If you want more 223 00:12:17,620 --> 00:12:22,300 S1: information about that or more information about maybe sending somebody 224 00:12:22,300 --> 00:12:24,740 S1: that you know who has, you know, they have a 225 00:12:24,740 --> 00:12:27,580 S1: book inside of them, maybe that's a gift you can 226 00:12:27,580 --> 00:12:30,700 S1: give to somebody. What a great gift. Uh, all right. 227 00:12:30,700 --> 00:12:34,340 S1: Rose starts us off in Chicago. Hi, Rose. Go right ahead. 228 00:12:35,260 --> 00:12:39,620 S4: Hi. Um, wow. I'm pulling up at the admissions testing 229 00:12:39,660 --> 00:12:43,540 S4: at the same time. Um, so, excuse me if I 230 00:12:43,580 --> 00:12:45,660 S4: have to talk to the admissions guy. 231 00:12:46,300 --> 00:12:47,260 S1: No problem. 232 00:12:47,940 --> 00:12:54,339 S4: Okay. Uh, well, I heard you guys talking about writing stories. 233 00:12:54,580 --> 00:12:57,220 S4: Hold on one second. I'm pulling up to the admissions person. 234 00:12:57,260 --> 00:12:59,620 S1: Okay. All right, let's put it. Let's put her on hold. Yeah. 235 00:12:59,660 --> 00:13:02,660 S1: Rose will come back to you. Because the admissions thing 236 00:13:02,660 --> 00:13:05,100 S1: is a really important thing to do to make sure 237 00:13:05,100 --> 00:13:08,740 S1: that you stay right with the, uh, the DMV. So 238 00:13:08,780 --> 00:13:12,620 S1: we'll go to Carey, then in Naples, Florida. Hi, Carey. 239 00:13:12,660 --> 00:13:13,380 S1: Go right ahead. 240 00:13:14,220 --> 00:13:15,660 S5: Hello. How are you? 241 00:13:15,980 --> 00:13:17,980 S1: Doing well. Thank you. Why'd you call today? 242 00:13:18,940 --> 00:13:23,780 S5: Um, because I have an idea that's been mulling around 243 00:13:23,780 --> 00:13:26,660 S5: for a few years now. Um, it's more of a 244 00:13:26,660 --> 00:13:31,740 S5: coffee table style book. Um, but combining photographs I've taken 245 00:13:31,780 --> 00:13:39,380 S5: of oceans, skies, nature, and then putting scripture with them. However, 246 00:13:39,380 --> 00:13:43,220 S5: I also love music, and there's been so many songs 247 00:13:43,220 --> 00:13:46,340 S5: that have carried me through some tough seasons of life. 248 00:13:46,740 --> 00:13:51,740 S5: And so incorporating song lyrics specifically with water and sunsets 249 00:13:51,740 --> 00:13:56,300 S5: and skies, and just how God's character is displayed in nature, 250 00:13:56,820 --> 00:14:03,020 S5: and bringing those crafts of music and art together and writing. 251 00:14:03,220 --> 00:14:06,460 S1: Okay. Coffee table book. Angie. You first. What do you think? 252 00:14:07,100 --> 00:14:10,300 S3: Um. Well, my first question is, did you write the 253 00:14:10,300 --> 00:14:11,940 S3: song lyrics yourself? 254 00:14:12,660 --> 00:14:18,060 S5: No, this is song lyrics that have been, um, I 255 00:14:18,100 --> 00:14:20,900 S5: need I would have to get permission from artists to 256 00:14:20,940 --> 00:14:23,940 S5: use their song lyrics, but there's just so many songs 257 00:14:23,940 --> 00:14:27,260 S5: out there that I want to always want to share 258 00:14:27,260 --> 00:14:30,300 S5: with people of like this. And so I'm always kind 259 00:14:30,300 --> 00:14:33,220 S5: of sending people songs, so I'm like, oh man, if 260 00:14:33,220 --> 00:14:35,980 S5: there was a way to get those lyrics and when 261 00:14:35,980 --> 00:14:39,340 S5: you read lyrics, they, they resonate so much, you know, 262 00:14:39,380 --> 00:14:42,750 S5: as you listen to the songs If I could even, like, 263 00:14:42,790 --> 00:14:45,870 S5: do a QR code on the page of the book 264 00:14:45,870 --> 00:14:47,710 S5: so people could get. 265 00:14:47,750 --> 00:14:50,070 S1: I was just thinking of that. You could send them 266 00:14:50,070 --> 00:14:53,230 S1: to Spotify or YouTube or wherever you hear music. Yeah, 267 00:14:53,230 --> 00:14:55,750 S1: so that you could hear that actual song. All right. Angie, 268 00:14:55,750 --> 00:14:56,470 S1: what do you think? 269 00:14:56,910 --> 00:15:00,550 S3: Well, I think it's a lovely idea as a gift 270 00:15:00,590 --> 00:15:04,190 S3: book or like, as you said, Carrie, um, a coffee 271 00:15:04,190 --> 00:15:11,390 S3: table book, but it also sounds extremely expensive to produce. Um, 272 00:15:11,430 --> 00:15:18,150 S3: anything that has colour on the inside, very expensive. And 273 00:15:18,190 --> 00:15:22,390 S3: using someone else's song lyrics is not simply a matter 274 00:15:22,390 --> 00:15:26,990 S3: of getting permission. Usually you have to buy a licence 275 00:15:27,350 --> 00:15:32,190 S3: to use it for X number of copies, and that 276 00:15:32,190 --> 00:15:37,350 S3: can also run into major money. So, um, I think 277 00:15:37,350 --> 00:15:41,510 S3: it's a lovely idea, Yeah, but I think it would 278 00:15:41,510 --> 00:15:47,630 S3: be cost prohibitive to do full color art, plus buy 279 00:15:47,630 --> 00:15:50,510 S3: licenses for all the songs you wanted to use. 280 00:15:50,630 --> 00:15:53,950 S1: Unless you know the artists and you wrote it, right? 281 00:15:53,990 --> 00:15:56,990 S3: Yeah, yeah, like a cousin or a friend or something. 282 00:15:57,190 --> 00:15:59,990 S3: But whenever I run up against a wall like that, 283 00:16:00,030 --> 00:16:02,270 S3: because a lot of times I've wanted to use a 284 00:16:02,270 --> 00:16:05,310 S3: poem or song lyrics in one of my novels is 285 00:16:05,310 --> 00:16:08,790 S3: like an epigraph or something. And I always think, okay, 286 00:16:09,310 --> 00:16:13,030 S3: I can't afford to, you know, do this. And it's 287 00:16:13,030 --> 00:16:15,270 S3: just a lot of hassle, even for a publisher to 288 00:16:15,310 --> 00:16:18,670 S3: do it. I just say, okay, I'm going to write 289 00:16:18,710 --> 00:16:25,110 S3: my own lyrics that reflect this feeling. And so, um, 290 00:16:25,430 --> 00:16:29,430 S3: I would just suggest that you take those songs, think 291 00:16:29,430 --> 00:16:33,350 S3: about the emotions that they evoke in you and the 292 00:16:33,350 --> 00:16:39,320 S3: truths that you're dying to communicate to other people. And then, um, 293 00:16:40,480 --> 00:16:44,200 S3: write your own lyrics. And as far as the color photography, 294 00:16:44,200 --> 00:16:49,760 S3: which is extremely expensive, I would, um, as a photographer myself, 295 00:16:49,760 --> 00:16:54,240 S3: you can do beautiful black and white images, um, because 296 00:16:54,240 --> 00:16:56,920 S3: you've got all those variants and shades of grey that 297 00:16:56,920 --> 00:16:59,680 S3: you can work with. So I would just think for 298 00:16:59,680 --> 00:17:06,040 S3: the sake of keeping it marketable and, you know, affordable, 299 00:17:06,320 --> 00:17:08,600 S3: to see if you could make it a black and 300 00:17:08,600 --> 00:17:13,879 S3: white book with beautiful images in on the inside and 301 00:17:13,880 --> 00:17:18,280 S3: lyrics that you write yourself, then you could consider, um, 302 00:17:18,320 --> 00:17:21,000 S3: if you can't sell it. And I'll be honest, coffee 303 00:17:21,000 --> 00:17:25,880 S3: table books and gift books in the traditional publishing market 304 00:17:26,040 --> 00:17:30,360 S3: are a really hard sell. They have to be like, 305 00:17:30,400 --> 00:17:35,920 S3: extremely unique or extremely like a celebrity. Did it, you know, 306 00:17:35,960 --> 00:17:38,960 S3: that kind of thing. Um, but if you. 307 00:17:39,280 --> 00:17:39,440 S1: Had. 308 00:17:39,480 --> 00:17:39,840 S3: Animals. 309 00:17:40,400 --> 00:17:42,680 S1: If you've got if you got your favorite dog, you know, 310 00:17:42,840 --> 00:17:45,520 S1: dogs will sell that. 311 00:17:45,760 --> 00:17:50,320 S3: Dog book myself, but I sold maybe ten copies. All 312 00:17:50,320 --> 00:17:51,679 S3: the owners of the dogs. 313 00:17:52,000 --> 00:17:55,080 S1: Yes, exactly. Okay, so, Jerry, I gotta get you to 314 00:17:55,119 --> 00:17:57,880 S1: jump onto. Is Angie, right? And what she's saying. 315 00:17:58,119 --> 00:17:59,840 S2: Yeah. I was going to say the same thing about 316 00:17:59,840 --> 00:18:04,480 S2: the expense of it. Uh, even if you self-published your unit, 317 00:18:04,480 --> 00:18:08,959 S2: cost per per book is going to be probably $20 318 00:18:08,960 --> 00:18:11,120 S2: if you've got color in there. So you'd have to 319 00:18:11,160 --> 00:18:13,800 S2: sell it for a lot more than that to make 320 00:18:13,800 --> 00:18:16,640 S2: any money. Not that the money's the point, but as 321 00:18:16,640 --> 00:18:19,840 S2: far as as the lyrics to just one quick example, 322 00:18:20,200 --> 00:18:24,360 S2: some years ago I did a trilogy of novels, um, 323 00:18:24,480 --> 00:18:29,639 S2: a futuristic thing where, where, uh, religion had been outlawed. 324 00:18:30,080 --> 00:18:33,760 S2: And so I wanted to use a line from John 325 00:18:33,760 --> 00:18:39,010 S2: Lennon's song imagine. Uh, and so I put the, the 326 00:18:39,010 --> 00:18:41,530 S2: lyric that I wanted and sent off to the publisher. 327 00:18:41,770 --> 00:18:45,410 S2: They wanted tens of thousands of dollars. I finally got 328 00:18:45,450 --> 00:18:49,689 S2: down to where all I used was and and no 329 00:18:49,690 --> 00:18:53,490 S2: religion too. People hear that and they hear the tune 330 00:18:53,490 --> 00:18:55,690 S2: and they think of it. And that I was able 331 00:18:55,690 --> 00:18:57,450 S2: to do for free. But the rest of it would 332 00:18:57,490 --> 00:18:59,330 S2: have been absolutely exorbitant. 333 00:18:59,570 --> 00:19:04,330 S1: Wow. The other idea that I had as you were talking, Carrie, is, um, 334 00:19:04,650 --> 00:19:07,970 S1: keep the song idea and the QR code idea and 335 00:19:07,970 --> 00:19:10,409 S1: do the black and white. Maybe because you've got the 336 00:19:10,450 --> 00:19:13,090 S1: paper is going to be, you know, a lot heavier, too. 337 00:19:13,130 --> 00:19:16,570 S1: So that adds to the cost. But, uh, find the 338 00:19:16,570 --> 00:19:19,130 S1: scripture that the song is based on and use the 339 00:19:19,130 --> 00:19:24,850 S1: scripture over the or underneath the, uh, the picture. And 340 00:19:24,850 --> 00:19:28,609 S1: so you've got Scripture speaking, you've got the, the creation, 341 00:19:28,650 --> 00:19:31,770 S1: all creation speaks, you know, and then you've got the 342 00:19:31,770 --> 00:19:35,369 S1: actual song. So there's a little bit some ideas from 343 00:19:35,369 --> 00:19:38,210 S1: the Writers Roundtable for Carrie in Naples. Now we go 344 00:19:38,210 --> 00:19:41,970 S1: back to the emissions testing station in Chicago, and Rose 345 00:19:42,010 --> 00:19:44,770 S1: is ready. Hi, Rose. Hey, how much did it cost 346 00:19:44,770 --> 00:19:47,090 S1: you to get the emissions test today, I wonder? I 347 00:19:47,090 --> 00:19:47,770 S1: want to know. 348 00:19:49,609 --> 00:19:53,850 S4: Well, actually, I didn't have to pay anything yet. I'm 349 00:19:53,890 --> 00:19:55,850 S4: going to go in and pay for my sticker once 350 00:19:55,850 --> 00:19:59,290 S4: I'm done talking to you guys. Oh, okay. Pass my test, though. Yay! 351 00:19:59,330 --> 00:20:02,890 S1: Good for you. We passed. Passed with flying colors. Okay, 352 00:20:03,130 --> 00:20:06,410 S1: you got Jerry and Angela. What is your book idea? 353 00:20:07,530 --> 00:20:13,810 S4: Well, my book idea is, um. I'd like it to 354 00:20:13,850 --> 00:20:18,090 S4: my theme to be centered around a mother who has 355 00:20:18,090 --> 00:20:24,010 S4: a child with mental illness. And, um, I want I 356 00:20:24,050 --> 00:20:29,050 S4: have ideas as far as how I what I'd like 357 00:20:29,050 --> 00:20:33,250 S4: to say, but mostly I'd like it to be somewhat 358 00:20:33,420 --> 00:20:36,859 S4: of a guide to parents like me that are single, 359 00:20:37,420 --> 00:20:42,100 S4: that are facing the challenges that come with being a 360 00:20:42,100 --> 00:20:48,860 S4: mom who doesn't know a lot about legal terminology. Um, 361 00:20:49,420 --> 00:20:54,820 S4: legal battles, you know, how kind of a how to book, 362 00:20:55,420 --> 00:20:59,660 S4: as well as sharing just some experiences. You know, like 363 00:20:59,700 --> 00:21:03,619 S4: I'm facing a lot of legal battles and not being 364 00:21:03,619 --> 00:21:07,500 S4: able to find attorneys to help, you know, just fight 365 00:21:07,500 --> 00:21:08,820 S4: a lot of different things. 366 00:21:09,380 --> 00:21:11,940 S1: So this is something that you have lived your you know, 367 00:21:11,940 --> 00:21:16,020 S1: what they say, write what you know. Yes, this is living. 368 00:21:16,060 --> 00:21:18,740 S4: And I don't see a lot of resources out here. 369 00:21:19,100 --> 00:21:22,340 S4: So I'd like to share the knowledge that I have. 370 00:21:22,380 --> 00:21:25,500 S4: And as I acquire more, be able to put it 371 00:21:25,500 --> 00:21:28,500 S4: into a guide so that people like me can be 372 00:21:28,540 --> 00:21:33,939 S4: able to, you know, have a An easier manual on 373 00:21:34,180 --> 00:21:36,300 S4: how to handle certain situations. 374 00:21:36,340 --> 00:21:39,460 S1: There's somebody listening, I guarantee you there's somebody listening right 375 00:21:39,460 --> 00:21:42,060 S1: now who's saying, I need that book. I know exactly 376 00:21:42,060 --> 00:21:45,060 S1: what you're talking about. And I'm. I'm there too. Okay, Jerry. 377 00:21:45,100 --> 00:21:46,300 S1: You first. What do you think? 378 00:21:46,619 --> 00:21:49,780 S2: Yeah. One of the things that you'll find from publishers 379 00:21:49,780 --> 00:21:53,900 S2: is they want books that have the broadest mass appeal. 380 00:21:54,220 --> 00:21:58,140 S2: And so while you would write this from your experience and, 381 00:21:58,180 --> 00:22:00,900 S2: and in the process, tell your story of what you've 382 00:22:00,900 --> 00:22:06,260 S2: learned and, and how it's worked with a mentally disabled child. Um, 383 00:22:06,580 --> 00:22:10,580 S2: if the application can be for, for parents of any 384 00:22:10,619 --> 00:22:15,619 S2: special needs child, uh, talk about the frustration, the depression, 385 00:22:15,660 --> 00:22:18,820 S2: the the pressure, the lack of sleep, you know, all 386 00:22:18,820 --> 00:22:22,580 S2: those types of things. Um, what I hear from publishers 387 00:22:22,580 --> 00:22:26,300 S2: is they say some people want to write books for pastors, 388 00:22:26,300 --> 00:22:29,340 S2: and they say, hey, write the book for the parishioners 389 00:22:29,340 --> 00:22:32,950 S2: because there's more of them than there are pastors. So 390 00:22:32,950 --> 00:22:35,550 S2: you can write your book based on your experience with 391 00:22:35,550 --> 00:22:39,830 S2: your child, but write it for for the broader audience 392 00:22:39,830 --> 00:22:42,190 S2: of parents with any special needs child. 393 00:22:42,670 --> 00:22:43,310 S1: Angela. 394 00:22:44,350 --> 00:22:48,510 S3: Well, I would urge Rose to start by writing an 395 00:22:48,510 --> 00:22:53,030 S3: article on this topic. I mean, instead of trying to 396 00:22:53,070 --> 00:22:57,030 S3: scale Mount Everest and write the entire book, um, write 397 00:22:57,030 --> 00:23:00,109 S3: an article, go to the library and there's a book 398 00:23:00,109 --> 00:23:04,070 S3: called Writer's Market. In fact, you can probably access it 399 00:23:04,070 --> 00:23:12,190 S3: online and look for magazines that cover parenting issues. And 400 00:23:12,190 --> 00:23:14,550 S3: if you want to do it from a Christian perspective, 401 00:23:14,550 --> 00:23:18,550 S3: look for that specifically and then write an article and 402 00:23:18,550 --> 00:23:22,950 S3: just introduce it just a paragraph or two about, you know, 403 00:23:22,990 --> 00:23:26,950 S3: something that you were dealing with, a frustration you felt 404 00:23:27,190 --> 00:23:31,109 S3: and then say, and then I learned about, and then 405 00:23:31,109 --> 00:23:35,350 S3: list all of the, um, resources that you have found 406 00:23:35,550 --> 00:23:40,070 S3: and ways to get help and what you have found useful. Uh, prayer, 407 00:23:40,109 --> 00:23:44,510 S3: getting counseling, joining a support group of like minded parents 408 00:23:44,550 --> 00:23:48,109 S3: struggling with the same issues. And so after you write 409 00:23:48,109 --> 00:23:52,389 S3: several articles and build a following and, and you'll also 410 00:23:52,390 --> 00:23:56,710 S3: be being edited and you'll learn what the process of 411 00:23:56,710 --> 00:24:00,870 S3: writing is like, then you'll be much better equipped to 412 00:24:00,910 --> 00:24:01,790 S3: write the book. 413 00:24:02,190 --> 00:24:05,790 S1: Great idea. Rose. Thank you. Glad that you passed the 414 00:24:05,790 --> 00:24:09,230 S1: admissions test. Let me go to our Facebook page. Michelle 415 00:24:09,230 --> 00:24:13,870 S1: says this title, How to Make Banana Bread Without Being Angry. 416 00:24:14,390 --> 00:24:16,790 S1: It is a and I can't say that without smiling. 417 00:24:16,790 --> 00:24:19,670 S1: And that's a good thing. It's like if you make 418 00:24:19,710 --> 00:24:23,910 S1: a person smile just by reading the title, a prospective title, 419 00:24:23,910 --> 00:24:26,190 S1: that's a good thing, she says. A memoir of how 420 00:24:26,190 --> 00:24:29,910 S1: God took the failures of my life and used them 421 00:24:29,910 --> 00:24:34,310 S1: to minister to other women. Uh 30s. Angela, what do 422 00:24:34,310 --> 00:24:34,790 S1: you think? 423 00:24:35,710 --> 00:24:38,590 S3: Well, my first question is, why do you have to 424 00:24:38,590 --> 00:24:42,629 S3: be angry to make banana bread? Um, I'm sure there's 425 00:24:42,630 --> 00:24:45,790 S3: a story behind that. And I do want to know 426 00:24:45,790 --> 00:24:50,510 S3: what it is, but for a title. Maybe something that's 427 00:24:50,510 --> 00:24:54,429 S3: a little less subtle to start with, but it sounds 428 00:24:54,430 --> 00:24:59,710 S3: like an engaging thing that all mothers could identify with. 429 00:24:59,830 --> 00:25:02,350 S1: I like her sense of humor already, though. I like 430 00:25:02,830 --> 00:25:04,550 S1: that you could use that in the title. Jerry, what 431 00:25:04,550 --> 00:25:05,149 S1: do you think? 432 00:25:05,310 --> 00:25:10,990 S2: Well, it should be popular because bananas have appeal and, um. 433 00:25:11,550 --> 00:25:12,710 S1: Passions are less. 434 00:25:12,950 --> 00:25:16,790 S2: Yes, I love the the idea, but I have to 435 00:25:16,790 --> 00:25:20,470 S2: say that that thank you for that. That what Angie 436 00:25:20,470 --> 00:25:22,870 S2: said before is is true. And I often tell people this, 437 00:25:22,910 --> 00:25:25,230 S2: I mean, you did open the floor for people with 438 00:25:25,230 --> 00:25:30,639 S2: book ideas, but I often tell, especially new writers, you 439 00:25:30,680 --> 00:25:33,440 S2: don't start your career with a book. A book is 440 00:25:33,440 --> 00:25:36,120 S2: where you arrive. Start with something short. Learn the business, 441 00:25:36,119 --> 00:25:38,359 S2: learn to be edited. So good counsel there. 442 00:25:38,600 --> 00:25:42,520 S1: That's Jerry Jenkins, Angela Hunt. The Pinnacle Writing conference is 443 00:25:42,520 --> 00:25:46,000 S1: coming up in April in Colorado. We have a link 444 00:25:46,000 --> 00:25:52,560 S1: to that at Chris Paul. Chris Paul, more straight ahead. 445 00:26:05,359 --> 00:26:06,440 S6: This is Chris Fabry live. 446 00:26:06,440 --> 00:26:10,120 S1: It's a writers roundtable. Jerry Jenkins, Angela Hunt and your 447 00:26:10,119 --> 00:26:17,439 S1: book idea or your writing? Question 8775483675I mentioned that both 448 00:26:17,440 --> 00:26:19,760 S1: Jerry and Angela are going to be at the Pinnacle 449 00:26:19,960 --> 00:26:25,160 S1: Christian Writers Conference. Real quickly, Jerry, who else? Who other? Uh, 450 00:26:25,240 --> 00:26:28,440 S1: every there's no big names that are going to be there, right? 451 00:26:29,440 --> 00:26:33,160 S2: I am calling in favors from, you know, some people 452 00:26:33,160 --> 00:26:36,720 S2: that I've known forever. And, uh, our keynoter is going 453 00:26:36,760 --> 00:26:40,280 S2: to be Anne Graham Lotz. That's Billy Graham's daughter. He 454 00:26:40,280 --> 00:26:43,520 S2: said she was the best preacher in the family. That's 455 00:26:43,520 --> 00:26:47,520 S2: saying something. Of course, Angie Hunt will be there. James 456 00:26:47,520 --> 00:26:51,520 S2: Scott Bell, Eva Marie Everson, who's in charge of Word 457 00:26:51,520 --> 00:26:55,040 S2: Weavers International. And then there's a guy named Chris Fabry 458 00:26:55,240 --> 00:26:57,600 S2: who's going to be not only the emcee, but also 459 00:26:57,600 --> 00:26:59,600 S2: one of our experts, because how many books have you 460 00:26:59,640 --> 00:27:00,320 S2: written now? 461 00:27:00,480 --> 00:27:03,040 S1: Well, uh, 80. 80, some. 462 00:27:03,080 --> 00:27:06,120 S2: I think so. So a little, little experience there? Yeah. 463 00:27:06,160 --> 00:27:11,480 S1: Between Jerry and me, we've written 280 books just like 464 00:27:11,480 --> 00:27:15,600 S1: Michael Jordan. Uh, okay. So go to Chris Fabry, scroll down. 465 00:27:15,600 --> 00:27:19,560 S1: You'll see that pinnacle Christian writers conference. It's in April 466 00:27:19,560 --> 00:27:23,520 S1: in Colorado. You can find out more about that. Crystal 467 00:27:23,520 --> 00:27:26,169 S1: is in Chicago. Crystal, why did you call today? 468 00:27:27,970 --> 00:27:32,450 S7: Thank you. I called because I've had many friends and 469 00:27:32,730 --> 00:27:38,489 S7: colleagues and just wonderful people I've met encouraged me to 470 00:27:38,530 --> 00:27:41,570 S7: write a book, because God has been so good to me, 471 00:27:41,570 --> 00:27:45,250 S7: and the faithfulness of what I've endured and how he's 472 00:27:45,250 --> 00:27:51,130 S7: brought me out of just terrible, challenging life circumstances. And 473 00:27:51,130 --> 00:27:54,850 S7: my idea is to write a book instead of all 474 00:27:54,850 --> 00:27:57,570 S7: the women I've met. Like each woman, each woman would 475 00:27:57,570 --> 00:28:02,250 S7: have a chapter, um, how God has been faithful to her. 476 00:28:02,250 --> 00:28:04,810 S7: And the idea is, uh, women at the Red sea. 477 00:28:05,130 --> 00:28:08,050 S7: So it's when we follow God out of obedience, he 478 00:28:08,050 --> 00:28:11,450 S7: pulls us out of a terrible situation. Or, you know, 479 00:28:11,490 --> 00:28:16,410 S7: we go through a huge loss or health career crisis 480 00:28:16,410 --> 00:28:19,010 S7: or a child who, you know, has cancer, all those 481 00:28:19,010 --> 00:28:21,850 S7: kinds of things. And he gets us through it and 482 00:28:21,850 --> 00:28:25,169 S7: we're following him obediently. And then something happens and we 483 00:28:25,170 --> 00:28:28,330 S7: realize we're at the Red sea, and all these women 484 00:28:28,330 --> 00:28:32,730 S7: have powerful stories. And I, I think it would encourage 485 00:28:32,730 --> 00:28:33,609 S7: many women. 486 00:28:34,010 --> 00:28:35,490 S1: Okay, Jerry, what do you think? 487 00:28:35,890 --> 00:28:39,290 S2: Yeah, that that is a theme that, uh, has been 488 00:28:39,290 --> 00:28:43,210 S2: really prominent in The Chosen, the the TV series that 489 00:28:43,210 --> 00:28:47,250 S2: my son created. His wife is really attuned to, to 490 00:28:47,290 --> 00:28:50,570 S2: the Lord. And when Dallas talks to her about, you know, 491 00:28:50,610 --> 00:28:54,290 S2: some issue they're facing on the set, like there's not 492 00:28:54,290 --> 00:28:56,650 S2: enough time to shoot this scene. It's going to be 493 00:28:56,650 --> 00:28:59,610 S2: dark soon and all that, or we were not allowed 494 00:28:59,610 --> 00:29:02,650 S2: to to use this certain set and we really needed it. 495 00:29:03,210 --> 00:29:06,490 S2: She'll often say to him, I feel like the Lord's 496 00:29:06,490 --> 00:29:09,050 S2: telling me this is a Red sea moment. And what's 497 00:29:09,090 --> 00:29:13,370 S2: crucial about Red sea moments is that you have the 498 00:29:13,370 --> 00:29:17,770 S2: army behind you, chasing you. You've got the sea before you, 499 00:29:18,410 --> 00:29:21,900 S2: so you have no out unless God works a miracle. 500 00:29:21,900 --> 00:29:24,940 S2: And that's not your job. That's his. And so when 501 00:29:24,940 --> 00:29:28,860 S2: you get to that point where you say, I, you know, 502 00:29:28,900 --> 00:29:31,860 S2: if anything good comes out of this, it's not from 503 00:29:31,860 --> 00:29:34,820 S2: anything we do. It's it's it's the miracle God works. 504 00:29:35,020 --> 00:29:37,700 S2: And so I love the idea and and I think 505 00:29:37,700 --> 00:29:41,180 S2: it'll resonate with people. That's, it's, it's a word picture 506 00:29:41,180 --> 00:29:43,220 S2: that people will identify with right away. 507 00:29:43,540 --> 00:29:44,060 S1: Angie. 508 00:29:45,140 --> 00:29:48,620 S3: Well, you know, as she said that, I was thinking. Yeah, 509 00:29:48,620 --> 00:29:50,820 S3: it would be great. I was thinking about the the 510 00:29:50,860 --> 00:29:55,500 S3: needs of women. And so I jotted a little list here. 511 00:29:55,740 --> 00:30:02,140 S3: Women facing their last penny. Women facing a broken dream. 512 00:30:02,460 --> 00:30:08,780 S3: Women facing empty arms. Women who struggle with infertility. Women 513 00:30:08,780 --> 00:30:17,060 S3: facing life alone. Women face or women at death's door. Um, just, 514 00:30:17,100 --> 00:30:19,820 S3: you know, all the times when we have, we face 515 00:30:19,980 --> 00:30:25,020 S3: these trying situations and how God provides through a Red 516 00:30:25,060 --> 00:30:28,860 S3: sea moment. So I would I think it's a wonderful idea, 517 00:30:28,860 --> 00:30:32,580 S3: I really do. And I would think instead of thinking, oh, 518 00:30:32,660 --> 00:30:34,860 S3: my friend here has a story and she has a story, 519 00:30:34,940 --> 00:30:39,100 S3: I would think first about all the various situations that 520 00:30:39,100 --> 00:30:43,940 S3: women in general face, and then find people that have 521 00:30:43,940 --> 00:30:46,980 S3: a story that applies to those various situations. 522 00:30:47,940 --> 00:30:52,140 S2: And that's an example right there where Angie, in just 523 00:30:52,140 --> 00:30:55,340 S2: a few minutes, jotted down all those ideas. That's the 524 00:30:55,340 --> 00:30:58,180 S2: mark of a creative, that's, you know, how we all, 525 00:30:58,220 --> 00:31:00,500 S2: we all want to think if if we're creatives. 526 00:31:00,540 --> 00:31:03,100 S1: And that's the mark of somebody who's really important with 527 00:31:03,100 --> 00:31:05,900 S1: the phone rings in the background. Is that you, Jerry, 528 00:31:05,940 --> 00:31:08,500 S1: or is it. It's not. It's not. Is that Angie? 529 00:31:09,100 --> 00:31:12,380 S3: That was me. And I'm sure it's spam. I'm sorry. 530 00:31:14,340 --> 00:31:16,300 S2: Well that's okay. The sign of a creative. 531 00:31:16,460 --> 00:31:18,900 S1: I want to bring Crystal back. Crystal, what do you 532 00:31:18,990 --> 00:31:20,510 S1: think of the response so far? 533 00:31:21,950 --> 00:31:25,590 S7: Well, I actually prayed about this before I called because 534 00:31:25,670 --> 00:31:29,229 S7: God just keeps nudging me. And I said, Lord, if 535 00:31:29,230 --> 00:31:31,910 S7: I'm supposed to do this, then you need to put. 536 00:31:32,270 --> 00:31:33,830 S7: You need to get me on the air and get 537 00:31:33,830 --> 00:31:37,110 S7: some great advice. But the cool thing is, I wanted 538 00:31:37,110 --> 00:31:40,270 S7: to say all the things that were mentioned the infertility, 539 00:31:40,270 --> 00:31:45,390 S7: the loss. Um, I have all those stories. That's why 540 00:31:45,710 --> 00:31:49,590 S7: God kind of gave me this idea. And, um, and 541 00:31:50,070 --> 00:31:54,230 S7: these are all Christian women who were obedient, and they 542 00:31:54,230 --> 00:31:56,110 S7: got through the big thing, and then now they're at 543 00:31:56,110 --> 00:31:59,790 S7: the Red sea, and it can be really, really hard. 544 00:31:59,950 --> 00:32:03,230 S7: And I wanted to say to Mr. Jenkins that I 545 00:32:03,230 --> 00:32:06,950 S7: think he's talking about Amanda Jenkins. And I bought her 546 00:32:06,950 --> 00:32:10,350 S7: book on perfectionism, and I just found it as we 547 00:32:10,350 --> 00:32:14,430 S7: were remodeling, um, a room with a library. And I 548 00:32:14,430 --> 00:32:17,470 S7: started reading her book again, and I was just laughing 549 00:32:17,870 --> 00:32:20,630 S7: because it was such a fun book to read. And 550 00:32:20,670 --> 00:32:22,790 S7: of course, I'm a huge fan of The Chosen, so 551 00:32:22,790 --> 00:32:23,630 S7: this is great. 552 00:32:23,950 --> 00:32:28,190 S2: Well, I appreciate that and a quick history. You know, 553 00:32:28,350 --> 00:32:32,390 S2: we writers get people want to show us their manuscripts 554 00:32:32,390 --> 00:32:36,070 S2: all the time. And and frankly, usually they're not good. 555 00:32:36,070 --> 00:32:38,670 S2: And you have to learn a diplomatic way of saying so. 556 00:32:38,870 --> 00:32:42,990 S2: And I can remember when Dallas said, dad, Amanda has 557 00:32:43,030 --> 00:32:45,910 S2: a manuscript and would like you to look at it. 558 00:32:45,910 --> 00:32:48,910 S2: And she did. She was afraid to ask. And I said, well, 559 00:32:48,950 --> 00:32:50,590 S2: of course I'll look at it. But I was dying 560 00:32:50,630 --> 00:32:53,190 S2: a thousand deaths, thinking, how do you tell your own 561 00:32:53,190 --> 00:32:57,070 S2: daughter in law, this is awful. I read the manuscript 562 00:32:57,070 --> 00:33:00,030 S2: and I was so relieved that it was great. I 563 00:33:00,030 --> 00:33:02,430 S2: got her, got her an agent, she got published, and 564 00:33:02,430 --> 00:33:06,270 S2: now she's writing the the auxiliary books for the chosen, 565 00:33:06,310 --> 00:33:09,190 S2: you know, the Bible studies and stuff and just doing fantastically. 566 00:33:09,190 --> 00:33:12,350 S2: But thanks for sharing that. I appreciate that, Crystal. 567 00:33:12,390 --> 00:33:15,550 S1: God bless you, friend. Thank you. This is a writer's roundtable, 568 00:33:15,550 --> 00:33:18,840 S1: if you're just joining us. People with book ideas. You've 569 00:33:18,840 --> 00:33:21,520 S1: always thought God has given me this idea and it 570 00:33:21,520 --> 00:33:23,720 S1: won't let go. You go to sleep at night and 571 00:33:23,720 --> 00:33:25,320 S1: you're thinking about it. You wake up in the morning, 572 00:33:25,320 --> 00:33:27,760 S1: you're thinking about it. How do I take that step? 573 00:33:28,080 --> 00:33:30,520 S1: And that's why I wanted you to talk with Jerry 574 00:33:30,560 --> 00:33:33,560 S1: and Angela today. They're both going to be at the 575 00:33:33,560 --> 00:33:38,400 S1: Pinnacle Christian Writers Conference in Colorado in April. Information at 576 00:33:38,400 --> 00:33:43,920 S1: the website Chris Fabry live here is Kelly in Indiana. Hi, Kelly. 577 00:33:44,840 --> 00:33:46,400 S7: Hi, there. How are you. 578 00:33:46,520 --> 00:33:49,240 S1: Doing? Great. Glad to hear from you. Tell me your 579 00:33:49,240 --> 00:33:49,960 S1: book idea. 580 00:33:51,000 --> 00:33:54,080 S8: All right. Well, um, my husband and I started out 581 00:33:54,080 --> 00:33:59,160 S8: as public school teachers when we first came out of college. Um, and, um, 582 00:33:59,560 --> 00:34:04,240 S8: just God brought us through things, um, especially concerning, like 583 00:34:04,280 --> 00:34:09,200 S8: our first daughter was born and only lived six months. And, um, 584 00:34:09,239 --> 00:34:12,280 S8: at the time, we were both believers serving the Lord 585 00:34:12,280 --> 00:34:17,760 S8: and could not figure out why. Why that would happen 586 00:34:17,760 --> 00:34:21,879 S8: to us. And we as just as God took us 587 00:34:21,880 --> 00:34:25,640 S8: through that, um, he brought me to a place where 588 00:34:26,120 --> 00:34:29,840 S8: my relationship with God the Father was different than it 589 00:34:29,840 --> 00:34:32,320 S8: had ever been. Because now I had that in common 590 00:34:32,320 --> 00:34:35,879 S8: with him, that I'd lost my only child, and that 591 00:34:35,880 --> 00:34:40,640 S8: he did it by choice. Um, for me and because 592 00:34:40,640 --> 00:34:45,719 S8: of me. And so my first writing, um, was actually 593 00:34:45,719 --> 00:34:48,640 S8: a song based on what God taught me through the 594 00:34:48,640 --> 00:34:53,279 S8: life of Hannah and her, um, willingness to dedicate her child. 595 00:34:53,280 --> 00:34:56,920 S8: And then God opened up a door for my husband 596 00:34:56,920 --> 00:34:59,920 S8: and my brother and I to form a gospel music ministry. 597 00:34:59,920 --> 00:35:02,359 S8: And we traveled and I shared that song. We got 598 00:35:02,360 --> 00:35:05,800 S8: it copyrighted and actually got to had the opportunity to 599 00:35:06,120 --> 00:35:09,720 S8: record it on at Bill Gaither Studio and, and shared 600 00:35:09,719 --> 00:35:14,240 S8: that in concert. And God really used it. Um, and 601 00:35:14,239 --> 00:35:18,239 S8: so fast forward to now, there's been lots of other 602 00:35:18,239 --> 00:35:23,040 S8: things that God has really used his word to, to 603 00:35:23,840 --> 00:35:27,919 S8: grow me and and conform me and and help me 604 00:35:27,920 --> 00:35:31,359 S8: to look at what his permissive will has been in 605 00:35:31,360 --> 00:35:35,239 S8: my life and see how he's using that. And it's 606 00:35:35,239 --> 00:35:37,560 S8: it's built my trust and my faith. 607 00:35:38,040 --> 00:35:40,359 S1: Do you have a title for it? Kelly? Is there a. 608 00:35:40,360 --> 00:35:44,640 S8: Title? I'm thinking, why me with a carrot of the 609 00:35:44,640 --> 00:35:49,480 S8: word not right in the middle? Because God brought me 610 00:35:49,480 --> 00:35:54,080 S8: to a place after Courtney died, where when I recognized 611 00:35:54,080 --> 00:35:57,920 S8: that God the Father knew exactly how I felt. Um. 612 00:35:58,120 --> 00:36:00,279 S8: And if he was a perfect, holy God and had 613 00:36:00,280 --> 00:36:02,360 S8: to feel that, why not me? 614 00:36:02,920 --> 00:36:05,399 S1: And why me with a nod in the middle of it? Okay, 615 00:36:05,400 --> 00:36:08,320 S1: let me get, uh, get feedback. Jerry. You first. 616 00:36:08,840 --> 00:36:12,529 S2: Well, that's a heavy story, obviously. Kelly. And and, uh, 617 00:36:12,530 --> 00:36:15,450 S2: sorry for your loss. I know you're resting in that 618 00:36:15,450 --> 00:36:19,370 S2: blessed hope. And, uh. Yeah, this is an it's an 619 00:36:19,370 --> 00:36:24,290 S2: important topic. Um, it it makes me wonder, uh, and 620 00:36:24,330 --> 00:36:26,650 S2: this score, too, if if it would help for you 621 00:36:26,650 --> 00:36:30,370 S2: to write that in a short format first and, uh, 622 00:36:30,370 --> 00:36:32,609 S2: and see what kind of response maybe a blog or 623 00:36:32,650 --> 00:36:35,890 S2: a or a magazine article, that type of thing. Um, 624 00:36:36,250 --> 00:36:39,450 S2: and it's such an important truth because those of us 625 00:36:39,730 --> 00:36:45,089 S2: who call ourselves believers, something bad happens and we say, basically, 626 00:36:45,090 --> 00:36:48,609 S2: why me? And as you've learned, if we got what 627 00:36:48,610 --> 00:36:52,530 S2: we really deserved, it'd be worse than that. And, um, 628 00:36:52,930 --> 00:36:56,529 S2: and so why not me? Um, I think you're on 629 00:36:56,530 --> 00:36:58,770 S2: to to a really important point there. 630 00:36:59,090 --> 00:36:59,570 S1: Angie. 631 00:37:00,650 --> 00:37:03,930 S3: You know what I'm sensing from you, Kelly, is a 632 00:37:03,930 --> 00:37:08,969 S3: desire to communicate, to share this story. And that's why 633 00:37:08,969 --> 00:37:12,489 S3: you turn to music first, and I can relate to 634 00:37:12,530 --> 00:37:15,490 S3: that because I was a musician before I ever even 635 00:37:15,489 --> 00:37:23,810 S3: considered writing anything. And and I think you should try, um, 636 00:37:23,850 --> 00:37:26,450 S3: as Jerry said, writing it in a short format. Write 637 00:37:26,450 --> 00:37:30,009 S3: your story in a magazine article and find a magazine 638 00:37:30,010 --> 00:37:34,969 S3: that publishes stories for parents. But also you might consider 639 00:37:35,010 --> 00:37:41,330 S3: a speaking ministry where you go to, um, women's meetings, 640 00:37:41,330 --> 00:37:45,569 S3: maybe churches, and you share your story because I know 641 00:37:45,570 --> 00:37:49,650 S3: that your tears as you tell a story are going 642 00:37:49,650 --> 00:37:53,569 S3: to affect and influence other women and comfort them at 643 00:37:53,570 --> 00:37:57,730 S3: the same time. So I'm sensing from you not so 644 00:37:57,730 --> 00:38:01,410 S3: much a desire to write a book, um, but to 645 00:38:01,410 --> 00:38:03,529 S3: just share your story in the hope that it's going 646 00:38:03,570 --> 00:38:07,650 S3: to minister to other people, because a book that's published 647 00:38:07,650 --> 00:38:12,339 S3: by a traditional publisher Really has to be more about 648 00:38:12,380 --> 00:38:18,740 S3: other people than your story. Um, when when my husband 649 00:38:18,739 --> 00:38:21,420 S3: and I waited a long time to adopt our kids, 650 00:38:21,420 --> 00:38:23,620 S3: and when it finally came, I thought, I have to 651 00:38:23,620 --> 00:38:25,259 S3: share the story. I have to write a book about 652 00:38:25,260 --> 00:38:28,339 S3: our adoption experience. And I quickly realized I was never 653 00:38:28,340 --> 00:38:30,419 S3: going to be able to sell it because it was 654 00:38:30,420 --> 00:38:34,300 S3: just about us. So I had to change it and 655 00:38:34,300 --> 00:38:40,379 S3: become like an adoption reference book for Christian couples. And 656 00:38:40,380 --> 00:38:43,939 S3: I could tell our story, but mostly it was helpful. 657 00:38:43,980 --> 00:38:45,819 S3: Like here, if you want to do it, these are 658 00:38:45,820 --> 00:38:49,500 S3: the steps, these are the agencies, etc. so as far 659 00:38:49,500 --> 00:38:52,259 S3: as if what you're feeling called to do is to 660 00:38:52,300 --> 00:38:58,220 S3: share your story, then I would suggest short form music 661 00:38:58,420 --> 00:39:01,860 S3: speaking engagements. And then if you can find a way 662 00:39:01,860 --> 00:39:07,020 S3: to help others through that's concrete and practical, then consider 663 00:39:07,020 --> 00:39:07,540 S3: a book. 664 00:39:08,540 --> 00:39:12,620 S1: And Kelly, you've got the the emotional center, the core 665 00:39:12,620 --> 00:39:15,780 S1: of that. I gave the Robert Frost quote a little earlier. 666 00:39:15,820 --> 00:39:18,780 S1: No tears in the writer, no tears in the reader. Jerry, 667 00:39:18,820 --> 00:39:21,940 S1: you said that to me about a million times. Um, 668 00:39:22,060 --> 00:39:26,299 S1: you've got that emotional center that you're coming from, and 669 00:39:26,300 --> 00:39:29,259 S1: so it's going to reach hearts and lives. And I'm 670 00:39:29,260 --> 00:39:32,140 S1: glad that you got to talk with Jerry Jenkins and 671 00:39:32,140 --> 00:39:35,460 S1: Angela Hunt today at the radio backyard fence. It is 672 00:39:35,460 --> 00:39:38,620 S1: a writers round table. I'm going to tell you a 673 00:39:38,620 --> 00:39:41,220 S1: story about what happened to me at one of Jerry's 674 00:39:41,260 --> 00:39:44,620 S1: writing conferences. You can find out about the Pinnacle Christian 675 00:39:44,620 --> 00:39:59,020 S1: Writers Conference at Chris Fabry Live more straight ahead. Our 676 00:39:59,020 --> 00:40:02,259 S1: remaining moments with Jerry Jenkins and Doctor Angela Hunt today 677 00:40:02,260 --> 00:40:05,460 S1: at the radio backyard fence. Here's a tip if you 678 00:40:05,460 --> 00:40:09,110 S1: ever go to a writing conference like the Pinnacle Christian 679 00:40:09,110 --> 00:40:14,149 S1: Writers Conference in in April. I went to one. I 680 00:40:14,150 --> 00:40:18,310 S1: think this was like 2008, Jerry. And you you had 681 00:40:18,310 --> 00:40:21,750 S1: invited me. I was working on a project, and I. 682 00:40:21,910 --> 00:40:24,430 S1: I wanted one specific thing. And this is what I 683 00:40:24,430 --> 00:40:26,589 S1: say to people, if you go to a conference, you 684 00:40:26,630 --> 00:40:29,310 S1: take it all in, but have a question that you're 685 00:40:29,310 --> 00:40:31,950 S1: asking that's kind of burning on your heart. God, I 686 00:40:31,950 --> 00:40:34,230 S1: need an answer to this. And I was working on 687 00:40:34,230 --> 00:40:36,430 S1: this story about a little girl who rode around with 688 00:40:36,430 --> 00:40:38,509 S1: her dad in an RV, and she walks into a 689 00:40:38,510 --> 00:40:42,790 S1: Walmart and sees herself on the missing children poster. And 690 00:40:42,790 --> 00:40:45,029 S1: I didn't have a name for her. I didn't have 691 00:40:45,030 --> 00:40:48,750 S1: a name for what her dad calls her, or the 692 00:40:48,750 --> 00:40:52,190 S1: man she thinks is her dad. And Dave Lambert was 693 00:40:52,190 --> 00:40:54,989 S1: teaching and I don't even remember the topic, but the 694 00:40:54,989 --> 00:40:56,750 S1: prompt that he gave, he said, I just want to 695 00:40:56,750 --> 00:40:58,270 S1: take five minutes. I want you to do this. Close 696 00:40:58,270 --> 00:41:00,910 S1: your eyes. Think about where you were born, think about 697 00:41:00,910 --> 00:41:03,989 S1: the trees. Think about the, you know, the, the, the 698 00:41:04,030 --> 00:41:07,230 S1: landscape that was there where you grew up. What did 699 00:41:07,230 --> 00:41:09,509 S1: you do in the summer? What songs did you listen to? 700 00:41:09,550 --> 00:41:11,950 S1: All that kind of stuff. And I was just doodling 701 00:41:11,950 --> 00:41:17,310 S1: around as he talked, and I drew a June bug 702 00:41:17,750 --> 00:41:20,270 S1: that was flying in the air, you know, kind of 703 00:41:20,350 --> 00:41:24,950 S1: doing circles in the air. And I opened my eyes 704 00:41:24,989 --> 00:41:27,509 S1: and I looked at that, and it's coming back to 705 00:41:27,510 --> 00:41:31,509 S1: me now. It's like, that's what he calls her. That's 706 00:41:31,830 --> 00:41:35,029 S1: that's what the man calls her. It's June Bug, that's 707 00:41:35,030 --> 00:41:40,030 S1: his pet name for her, for this little girl. And 708 00:41:40,070 --> 00:41:42,390 S1: I don't know that I ever would have come up 709 00:41:42,390 --> 00:41:44,710 S1: with that if I hadn't gone to a conference like that. 710 00:41:44,710 --> 00:41:47,310 S1: And that was the title of the book, June Bug. Uh, 711 00:41:47,350 --> 00:41:49,630 S1: you probably don't remember that, Jerry, but I sure do. 712 00:41:50,230 --> 00:41:52,630 S2: I remember the book, and it was a great one, 713 00:41:52,630 --> 00:41:54,029 S2: so kudos. 714 00:41:54,270 --> 00:41:57,710 S1: Yeah. And I the my editor was there at the 715 00:41:57,710 --> 00:42:00,870 S1: conference at the time, and I made a beeline, no 716 00:42:00,870 --> 00:42:04,390 S1: pun intended. Uh, after I said no, I know her name. 717 00:42:04,480 --> 00:42:06,920 S1: I know her name now. And we both kind of 718 00:42:06,920 --> 00:42:10,440 S1: wept because, you know, it was it was so important 719 00:42:10,480 --> 00:42:13,040 S1: to get that right. Uh, but that's the kind of 720 00:42:13,080 --> 00:42:16,000 S1: thing that will happen at a conference like that. And 721 00:42:16,000 --> 00:42:17,680 S1: if you want to find out more again, we've got 722 00:42:17,680 --> 00:42:21,279 S1: the link. Pinnacle Christian Writers Conference in April. Just go 723 00:42:21,280 --> 00:42:25,800 S1: to Chris Dot. Mark is up next in Florida. Mark 724 00:42:25,800 --> 00:42:26,920 S1: why did you call today? 725 00:42:27,840 --> 00:42:31,279 S9: Well, thank you for taking my call. Um, I wrote 726 00:42:31,280 --> 00:42:34,399 S9: three books last year and I've got them on my 727 00:42:34,400 --> 00:42:39,239 S9: website and also through Amazon, uh, distribution. And, you know, 728 00:42:39,280 --> 00:42:43,200 S9: marketing becomes a different issue. But I've also I've been 729 00:42:43,200 --> 00:42:46,839 S9: a Bible teacher and I teach 212 week courses, one 730 00:42:46,880 --> 00:42:49,600 S9: on covenants and one on the biblical feasts. And I 731 00:42:49,600 --> 00:42:51,960 S9: use about in the course of those 12 weeks, about 732 00:42:51,960 --> 00:42:55,319 S9: 50 different handouts. So I was thinking of putting this 733 00:42:55,320 --> 00:42:59,120 S9: into kind of a workbook, but I'm very I'm older, 734 00:42:59,120 --> 00:43:02,080 S9: I'm interactive, you know, used to being in a classroom 735 00:43:02,239 --> 00:43:04,440 S9: where I just give the handouts to the people. I 736 00:43:04,440 --> 00:43:07,960 S9: can do this over zoom or in person. Um, and 737 00:43:07,960 --> 00:43:10,360 S9: I just thought maybe, you know, if I had this 738 00:43:10,400 --> 00:43:14,000 S9: together as a book, like a workbook with the handouts 739 00:43:14,000 --> 00:43:18,359 S9: in it, but it doesn't have all the interactive information 740 00:43:18,360 --> 00:43:20,319 S9: that I give as a teacher, because I could make 741 00:43:20,320 --> 00:43:24,200 S9: it with pages of instruction and discussion and then the 742 00:43:24,200 --> 00:43:27,360 S9: workbook page, but it's like it doesn't work that well 743 00:43:27,360 --> 00:43:27,960 S9: that way. 744 00:43:28,480 --> 00:43:30,040 S10: So I love what you're saying, Mark. 745 00:43:30,320 --> 00:43:32,600 S1: And this goes back to Angie. What you were just saying. 746 00:43:32,640 --> 00:43:35,160 S1: It's what we just heard from Kelly. It's the heart 747 00:43:35,160 --> 00:43:38,279 S1: of a teacher. I want to get this info, you know, 748 00:43:38,320 --> 00:43:42,200 S1: this biblical information, not just the knowledge out there, but 749 00:43:42,200 --> 00:43:44,920 S1: to get it into a person's heart. So, Angie, what 750 00:43:44,920 --> 00:43:46,200 S1: do you say about that idea? 751 00:43:46,880 --> 00:43:53,960 S3: YouTube. That's what I say. YouTube I have about two 752 00:43:53,960 --> 00:43:58,399 S3: years ago, I was scrolling through YouTube and I saw 753 00:43:58,400 --> 00:44:02,370 S3: this man J.R. And he was at a horse auction, 754 00:44:02,370 --> 00:44:06,050 S3: and he found the sad looking Clydesdale, and he felt 755 00:44:06,050 --> 00:44:07,969 S3: sorry for it, and he almost bought it and he 756 00:44:07,969 --> 00:44:09,810 S3: didn't buy it. And then at the end of the 757 00:44:09,810 --> 00:44:12,210 S3: thing he said, YouTube, if you can help me buy 758 00:44:12,210 --> 00:44:15,290 S3: this horse. Long story short, he bought the horse. He 759 00:44:15,330 --> 00:44:18,130 S3: saved the horse from certain death. He brought it home. 760 00:44:18,130 --> 00:44:22,290 S3: He loved it. He was an engineer and just raised horses, 761 00:44:22,330 --> 00:44:25,530 S3: you know, in his spare time. And his YouTube following 762 00:44:25,530 --> 00:44:28,489 S3: became so great. He quit his job as an engineer. 763 00:44:28,489 --> 00:44:32,890 S3: And now he's raising horses. Hand-over-fist. He's having a YouTube baby, 764 00:44:32,930 --> 00:44:37,489 S3: a Clydesdale baby, and everybody, including me, is watching it 765 00:44:37,489 --> 00:44:41,250 S3: at night. We're waiting for this little foal to be born. YouTube. 766 00:44:41,410 --> 00:44:45,169 S3: You can be interactive. You can show diagrams, you can 767 00:44:45,170 --> 00:44:50,170 S3: connect with an audience. YouTube is a great way. I 768 00:44:50,170 --> 00:44:54,850 S3: think you would have greater chances of success through a 769 00:44:54,850 --> 00:45:00,810 S3: visible active medium like YouTube than you would just publishing 770 00:45:00,810 --> 00:45:04,170 S3: a workbook and putting it up on Amazon where it 771 00:45:04,170 --> 00:45:05,450 S3: will just sit, frankly. 772 00:45:05,489 --> 00:45:08,410 S1: And Mark, do not say, well, I'm too old to 773 00:45:08,450 --> 00:45:10,610 S1: do that. I don't know, technology because you can find 774 00:45:10,610 --> 00:45:13,890 S1: a 12 year old to come alongside you and help 775 00:45:13,890 --> 00:45:16,290 S1: you do that, you know. And so then you're speaking 776 00:45:16,290 --> 00:45:20,129 S1: into another generation and bringing them along. Jerry, what do 777 00:45:20,130 --> 00:45:20,530 S1: you say? 778 00:45:20,930 --> 00:45:27,290 S2: Yeah. I love Angie's idea there. Um, my own marketing team, uh, 779 00:45:27,290 --> 00:45:29,649 S2: took some of my teaching, and they said, let's, let's 780 00:45:29,650 --> 00:45:32,649 S2: put this in script form and just sit in front 781 00:45:32,650 --> 00:45:36,850 S2: of your camera and and say this for a YouTube audience. 782 00:45:37,330 --> 00:45:39,969 S2: And I did that. And next, next thing I turn around. 783 00:45:39,969 --> 00:45:43,930 S2: I've got six figures as far as followers, and I 784 00:45:44,090 --> 00:45:45,930 S2: never would have thought of that. And I don't think 785 00:45:46,130 --> 00:45:48,410 S2: if I just put that part in a book that 786 00:45:48,410 --> 00:45:50,890 S2: it would have sold like that either. So great idea. 787 00:45:51,330 --> 00:45:53,609 S1: Great help, and this is the kind of thing that 788 00:45:53,610 --> 00:45:56,090 S1: you'll get if you go to a really good Christian 789 00:45:56,090 --> 00:46:00,940 S1: writers conference, and there's one happening in Colorado in April. 790 00:46:00,940 --> 00:46:04,380 S1: We've got the link there to the Pinnacle Christian Writers Conference. 791 00:46:04,500 --> 00:46:08,100 S1: I got to get a farmhand 101 on Facebook says, 792 00:46:08,100 --> 00:46:12,180 S1: I'm writing this now, alfalfa, the wayward sheep and how 793 00:46:12,180 --> 00:46:15,259 S1: she taught me the Lord is my shepherd. You've got 794 00:46:15,260 --> 00:46:18,900 S1: to write that. I want to read about alfalfa. Uh, 795 00:46:19,020 --> 00:46:22,460 S1: Angie Hunt, thank you for your heart for for being 796 00:46:22,460 --> 00:46:26,259 S1: here today. Jerry. Thanks always for your help at the 797 00:46:26,260 --> 00:46:27,620 S1: radio backyard fence. 798 00:46:28,020 --> 00:46:28,580 S2: Thank you. 799 00:46:29,540 --> 00:46:32,660 S1: God bless you, friend. Thanks for coming alongside us today. 800 00:46:32,660 --> 00:46:35,020 S1: And if you want to find out more about. Oh, 801 00:46:35,060 --> 00:46:37,460 S1: I forgot to say writing for the soul. We've got 802 00:46:37,500 --> 00:46:40,859 S1: a list there for Angie too, because she's written so 803 00:46:40,860 --> 00:46:44,219 S1: many books. You can find out more about both of them. 804 00:46:44,500 --> 00:46:48,500 S1: And that writer's conference at Chris Fabry lives. Have a 805 00:46:48,500 --> 00:46:52,180 S1: great weekend. Our program's production of Moody Radio, a ministry 806 00:46:52,180 --> 00:46:54,060 S1: of Moody Bible Institute.