WEBVTT - Hour 2: More Bible Q & A from Chicago 0:00:08.920 --> 0:00:12.560 Hello, friends. Welcome to the second hour of Open Line, 0:00:12.560 --> 0:00:17.200 Moody Radio's Bible Study Across America. My name is Michael Riedel. 0:00:17.600 --> 0:00:20.840 I'm the academic dean and professor of Jewish studies and 0:00:20.840 --> 0:00:24.640 Bible at Moody Bible Institute. So grateful you're joining me 0:00:24.640 --> 0:00:28.360 around the radio kitchen table for the second hour. Normally, 0:00:28.360 --> 0:00:31.560 what we would do is take your phone calls with 0:00:31.560 --> 0:00:35.240 your questions about the Bible, God, or the spiritual life. 0:00:35.400 --> 0:00:37.880 But today it's a little different. We have a live 0:00:37.920 --> 0:00:41.960 studio audience right here at Moody Bible Institute. A group 0:00:41.960 --> 0:00:46.200 of people were in the studio B at Moody Radio radio. 0:00:46.200 --> 0:00:49.040 And we've got people here and they're going to ask 0:00:49.040 --> 0:00:52.560 the questions today. We also have a few questions if 0:00:52.560 --> 0:00:55.480 you would like to email a question in and you're listening. 0:00:55.680 --> 0:00:57.240 The best way to do that is not just to 0:00:57.280 --> 0:00:59.930 send an email. Just go to our website, site open 0:00:59.930 --> 0:01:04.810 line radio.org. And there you'll find a link that says 0:01:04.850 --> 0:01:08.050 Ask Michael a question. And when you click on that, 0:01:08.050 --> 0:01:10.250 you'll be able to post your question. And Trish will 0:01:10.290 --> 0:01:12.490 add it to the mailbag. And we do have some 0:01:12.490 --> 0:01:19.210 mailbag questions this hour as well. And uh, joining me, uh, 0:01:19.209 --> 0:01:22.770 this first couple of segments of the program is the 0:01:22.770 --> 0:01:26.970 man who is responsible for me actually working, teaching at 0:01:26.970 --> 0:01:30.250 Moody Bible Institute, Doctor Joe Stoll, who was president when 0:01:30.250 --> 0:01:32.370 I came on in 1994. 0:01:32.410 --> 0:01:35.009 Michael, you were by far my best hire. No, no 0:01:35.010 --> 0:01:36.050 doubt about it. 0:01:36.290 --> 0:01:40.570 I'll give you the money later. Thanks. Uh, so I 0:01:40.610 --> 0:01:44.930 do remember joking around with you, uh, at the interview, 0:01:45.209 --> 0:01:47.570 which I was so nervous, I started making some jokes, 0:01:47.570 --> 0:01:49.770 and you laughed, and then that was it. I was okay, 0:01:49.810 --> 0:01:50.850 so I remember that. 0:01:51.090 --> 0:01:53.890 You've been you've been, uh, a rich blessing to Moody 0:01:53.930 --> 0:01:56.490 and to the people all over the globe. Michael. So 0:01:56.530 --> 0:01:59.420 thanks for saying yes To come to Moody. 0:01:59.420 --> 0:02:01.660 Thank you so much. Well, you know, I have to say, 0:02:01.700 --> 0:02:05.660 being at Moody Bible Institute, teaching the Bible, so many students, uh, 0:02:06.460 --> 0:02:09.100 and also being on the radio and people listening to 0:02:09.139 --> 0:02:12.140 Moody Radio. But when I think of the students in 0:02:12.139 --> 0:02:16.980 my classes and, you know, now over 30 years, I'm 0:02:16.980 --> 0:02:19.380 just so grateful to God, it is the greatest privilege 0:02:19.380 --> 0:02:22.900 that God has given me to teach the word uh, 0:02:22.900 --> 0:02:25.820 to to not just teach the word, but I teach 0:02:25.820 --> 0:02:28.180 Jewish studies, I teach things, I try and make everything 0:02:28.180 --> 0:02:31.700 biblically based. But, you know, I meet people all over 0:02:31.700 --> 0:02:34.180 the globe, former students of mine who are sharing the 0:02:34.180 --> 0:02:37.419 good news with Jewish people and those Jewish studies classes. I'm. 0:02:37.419 --> 0:02:41.660 So my heart goes pitter patter. I am so grateful 0:02:41.660 --> 0:02:43.620 to God that he gave me that privilege. 0:02:43.660 --> 0:02:46.740 Yeah, my highest joy when I served here was students. Yeah. 0:02:46.780 --> 0:02:49.860 You know, I didn't come for the paperwork. I actually, 0:02:50.260 --> 0:02:54.500 I did I did the paperwork to keep the job 0:02:54.500 --> 0:02:56.899 I loved. Right? Yeah, right. But it was the students 0:02:56.990 --> 0:02:58.510 that I knew were going to go out and wrap 0:02:58.510 --> 0:03:01.830 around the gospel around the globe. You know, like you say, 0:03:01.870 --> 0:03:04.310 that's the highest joy of Moody Bible Institute. 0:03:04.350 --> 0:03:06.430 People have been asking me how I like being Dean. 0:03:06.470 --> 0:03:09.550 I say I do because each year of being Dean 0:03:09.550 --> 0:03:12.990 is like a dog year. Seven years for every human year. 0:03:13.310 --> 0:03:16.790 You know, I'm actually only 39 and I look a 0:03:16.790 --> 0:03:20.230 lot older, that's all. But, uh. But anyway, that's. I 0:03:20.230 --> 0:03:23.510 agree with you. It's, uh, it's a great privilege. And 0:03:23.630 --> 0:03:27.669 I'm so glad, uh, Joe is now our global ambassador 0:03:27.669 --> 0:03:32.510 and assistant and wise, wise man and guide for our president, 0:03:32.510 --> 0:03:33.390 doctor Mark Jobe. 0:03:33.430 --> 0:03:35.750 Glad to be on his team. It's wonderful to be 0:03:35.750 --> 0:03:36.910 back at Moody again. 0:03:36.950 --> 0:03:39.190 Yeah. I'm so glad you're here. And, you know, we've 0:03:39.230 --> 0:03:42.430 traveled to Israel together. We've traveled to Greece together. It's 0:03:42.430 --> 0:03:45.869 so much fun. I love this job that you have. Uh, 0:03:46.870 --> 0:03:48.750 come with me, Joe. We're going to go to these places. 0:03:48.790 --> 0:03:50.630 Love to travel with you, because I get to sit 0:03:50.630 --> 0:03:51.470 under your teaching. 0:03:51.750 --> 0:03:52.670 Oh, yeah. Right. We both. 0:03:52.710 --> 0:03:53.390 Seriously. 0:03:53.430 --> 0:03:58.200 We both teach. It's fun, but. Okay. Uh, I, I 0:03:58.280 --> 0:04:02.360 we're going to go to, uh, questions now. We're going 0:04:02.360 --> 0:04:03.800 to start with one question right here. 0:04:04.200 --> 0:04:08.040 Hi, I'm Julie, I'm from Chicago. Um, I had a question. 0:04:08.040 --> 0:04:11.840 I've been invited to participate in a Passover seder before, 0:04:12.280 --> 0:04:14.680 but I wasn't sure if that was okay. Based on 0:04:14.680 --> 0:04:19.520 my reading in Exodus, Exodus 1248, which seems to indicate 0:04:19.760 --> 0:04:23.160 that Passover is meant only for the Jewish people and 0:04:23.160 --> 0:04:29.240 only circumcised males can participate, or similarly, Jewish observant females. 0:04:29.920 --> 0:04:38.200 Well, uh, Exodus 1248 says this. Uh, uh, I'll read 0:04:38.200 --> 0:04:40.560 you the verse because you're quoting it. If a foreigner 0:04:40.560 --> 0:04:43.800 resides with you and wants to celebrate the Lord's Passover, 0:04:44.040 --> 0:04:47.880 every male in his household must be circumcised, and then 0:04:47.880 --> 0:04:51.440 he may participate. He will become like a native of 0:04:51.440 --> 0:04:56.820 the land. That's what it's saying. now the what is 0:04:56.820 --> 0:04:59.140 that the purpose of that? I want to know what 0:04:59.140 --> 0:05:01.219 kind of Passover you've been invited to. Is it a 0:05:01.220 --> 0:05:06.219 messianic Jewish Passover? Is it as a more traditionally Jewish Passover? 0:05:06.460 --> 0:05:10.380 That's a great question. I think probably both. I think, um, 0:05:10.500 --> 0:05:13.859 actually through a church that I was attending. Okay. Um, 0:05:13.860 --> 0:05:17.020 I've been invited. I've also had friends that wanted to 0:05:17.020 --> 0:05:20.380 host a Seder. Um, and then I think Chosen People Ministries. 0:05:20.420 --> 0:05:24.219 Yeah. Okay. Well, you've you've seen seders here at Moody, 0:05:24.260 --> 0:05:27.780 haven't you? Yes. Yeah. Uh, I've had a I've led 0:05:27.820 --> 0:05:34.780 a a Seder here at Moody Bible Institute for 32 years. Uh, 0:05:34.779 --> 0:05:38.460 we have a new Jewish studies professor, Doctor Michael Gabizon, 0:05:38.460 --> 0:05:42.580 and this is on April 16th. He's going to be 0:05:42.580 --> 0:05:45.580 leading a seder here at Moody Bible Institute. It's my 0:05:45.580 --> 0:05:47.620 first time in my years here that I am not 0:05:47.660 --> 0:05:50.940 leading that Seder. So I've been doing it a long 0:05:50.940 --> 0:05:54.950 time here, and, uh, we never check any kind of 0:05:54.990 --> 0:05:58.670 personal areas as people come in for the Seder. That's, uh. 0:05:59.270 --> 0:06:01.950 That is not what that's about. What that is about 0:06:02.390 --> 0:06:05.350 is saying people may want to come in and live 0:06:05.350 --> 0:06:09.510 in the land of Israel, and they may still be pagan. 0:06:09.510 --> 0:06:12.669 They may still worship the gods of Egypt. And so 0:06:12.790 --> 0:06:15.830 they can't do that. They have to affiliate not just 0:06:15.830 --> 0:06:18.110 with the Jewish people. They have to affiliate with the 0:06:18.150 --> 0:06:21.750 God of Israel and identify with him. And that's why 0:06:21.750 --> 0:06:25.510 that's required. Now let me this is going to be surprising. 0:06:25.550 --> 0:06:27.789 Have you put your trust in Jesus, the Messiah? 0:06:27.830 --> 0:06:28.550 Absolutely. 0:06:28.589 --> 0:06:31.909 Okay. Well, if you have done that, if you believe 0:06:31.910 --> 0:06:35.270 that Jesus died for your sins and rose again, you 0:06:35.270 --> 0:06:40.510 actually have engaged with the God of Israel, you are 0:06:41.070 --> 0:06:45.150 a fully accepted by him. A lot of times people think, oh, 0:06:45.190 --> 0:06:49.109 the the the God of the Bible, he's not the 0:06:49.150 --> 0:06:51.430 God of Israel. No, he's the God of Abraham, Isaac 0:06:51.430 --> 0:06:55.640 and Jacob. He's the God of Israel. And the Bible 0:06:55.640 --> 0:06:58.560 says that you are related to him through the New covenant. 0:06:58.560 --> 0:07:01.599 And Romans 11 says that people who aren't Jewish are 0:07:01.640 --> 0:07:05.760 who believe in Jesus, are grafted in not to Israel, 0:07:06.080 --> 0:07:11.320 but into that new covenant relationship with God. Uh, Israel, 0:07:11.360 --> 0:07:15.160 those who believe they they're the natural branches in this 0:07:15.200 --> 0:07:18.600 image of an olive tree. They're the natural branches, if 0:07:18.600 --> 0:07:23.080 they believe. Uh, Gentiles who believe. People who aren't Jewish 0:07:23.080 --> 0:07:27.440 are grafted into that New covenant relationship. And, uh, it's 0:07:27.440 --> 0:07:31.720 contrary to nature because, you know, they're wild. Uh, olive branches. 0:07:32.080 --> 0:07:37.480 And yet, nevertheless, God does that. And so go, because 0:07:37.480 --> 0:07:40.360 it's a great way to learn about the significance of 0:07:40.360 --> 0:07:42.560 Jesus being the Lamb of God who takes away the 0:07:42.560 --> 0:07:44.040 sin of the world. Okay. 0:07:44.080 --> 0:07:44.640 Thank you. 0:07:44.880 --> 0:07:49.440 Yeah. Uh, so, uh, what we're going to do before 0:07:49.440 --> 0:07:51.450 we go to another question, I want to tell you 0:07:51.450 --> 0:07:56.530 about our current resource. Now, our current resource is a 0:07:56.530 --> 0:07:58.730 book that will really help you because people, you know, 0:07:58.770 --> 0:08:01.410 I hold up my Bible and papers fall out every time, 0:08:01.410 --> 0:08:04.730 but I hold up my Bible and I say, this 0:08:04.730 --> 0:08:07.050 is something that we need to read on a daily basis, 0:08:07.050 --> 0:08:10.330 and people usually agree with me, but then they'll say 0:08:10.330 --> 0:08:13.170 something like, but how did we get it? You know, 0:08:13.210 --> 0:08:16.930 how was this book inspired? How was it copied? How 0:08:16.930 --> 0:08:18.970 do we know we can be sure of it? That 0:08:18.970 --> 0:08:22.770 that it's without error. How do we know how it 0:08:22.770 --> 0:08:27.050 was transmitted by copyists? And how did they pick the 0:08:27.050 --> 0:08:30.890 right books and the canon? And how do which English 0:08:30.890 --> 0:08:34.970 translation is helpful? Well, those are the questions that our 0:08:34.970 --> 0:08:39.810 current resource answers. It's written by Doctor Carl Laney. It's 0:08:39.809 --> 0:08:42.689 called The Story of the Bible, and it takes you 0:08:42.690 --> 0:08:48.010 from inspiration all the way to translation and the English 0:08:48.010 --> 0:08:51.740 translations we have today. It's a really helpful tool to 0:08:51.780 --> 0:08:54.860 help you understand this book, not the contents of the book, 0:08:54.860 --> 0:08:57.060 but how we got this book. I think it's a 0:08:57.059 --> 0:09:00.020 great resource and it's yours if you give a gift 0:09:00.020 --> 0:09:03.020 of any size. We are so grateful for every gift 0:09:03.220 --> 0:09:05.819 that people give to Open Line. We want to say 0:09:05.820 --> 0:09:08.500 thanks by sending you a copy of this terrific resource 0:09:08.500 --> 0:09:11.179 by Carl Laney. The story of the Bible how to 0:09:11.179 --> 0:09:14.220 give Your gift. Just go to our website, Open Line Radio.com. 0:09:15.020 --> 0:09:25.020 Or you can go to. Call this number (888) 644-7122. So 0:09:25.059 --> 0:09:27.780 it's either open line radio.org. You can give your gift there. 0:09:27.780 --> 0:09:32.380 And then you can uh do that uh give there. 0:09:32.380 --> 0:09:38.860 Or you can give by calling (888) 644-7122. Now, Joe, let 0:09:38.860 --> 0:09:41.900 me ask you this. You were a pastor so many years. 0:09:42.140 --> 0:09:47.260 How often did people ask you questions about that? Not 0:09:47.300 --> 0:09:48.710 what does this verse mean? 0:09:49.070 --> 0:09:52.110 But I think that's always been a point of interest, 0:09:52.150 --> 0:09:54.350 hasn't it? Like, how did we get it and can 0:09:54.350 --> 0:09:56.750 we trust it? Yeah. You know, like it was written 0:09:56.750 --> 0:09:59.989 so long ago and it's been translated so many times. 0:10:00.230 --> 0:10:02.430 Can we really trust what we have? And I think 0:10:02.429 --> 0:10:05.309 the book you're offering is answering a very critical question. 0:10:05.350 --> 0:10:07.750 If you can't trust the Word of God, then you 0:10:07.750 --> 0:10:10.510 can't walk by its steps. And Satan will deceive you 0:10:10.550 --> 0:10:13.070 to other ways to walk and live. Right? But when 0:10:13.070 --> 0:10:16.230 you trust the authority of the Word of God, then 0:10:16.429 --> 0:10:20.070 you can confidently follow in its footsteps. 0:10:20.110 --> 0:10:22.430 Yeah. One of my favorite things I get to do 0:10:22.470 --> 0:10:25.130 on normal open line programs is I take about five 0:10:25.130 --> 0:10:28.590 minutes at the beginning of each program and I teach something. 0:10:28.630 --> 0:10:31.429 And two weeks ago I taught about the inspiration of 0:10:31.429 --> 0:10:34.790 the Bible. All Scripture is God breathed. And last week 0:10:34.790 --> 0:10:37.790 I talked about the inerrancy of the Bible, that the 0:10:37.790 --> 0:10:40.910 words of the Lord Jesus in John 17, your word 0:10:40.950 --> 0:10:44.790 is truth. Uh, and and those are, I think, so 0:10:44.790 --> 0:10:49.080 crucial Because it's like Jenga. Jenga? Is that the name 0:10:49.080 --> 0:10:53.000 that your kids grandkids play that game? It's these little things. 0:10:53.480 --> 0:10:57.000 Blocks one on top of the other. And my. And 0:10:57.000 --> 0:10:59.680 then they finally it falls over when it gets real tall. 0:10:59.679 --> 0:11:03.240 But my my little boy when he was, he's not 0:11:03.240 --> 0:11:07.280 so little anymore. But when he was little, he would 0:11:07.280 --> 0:11:09.360 pull one of the blocks out from the bottom and 0:11:09.360 --> 0:11:11.560 make it all tumble down. And that's what it is. 0:11:11.559 --> 0:11:16.200 If we take away biblical inspiration and inerrancy, everything falls. 0:11:16.240 --> 0:11:19.440 Exactly. And I think you were talking about truth, right? 0:11:19.920 --> 0:11:21.640 So we live in a world where I can make 0:11:21.679 --> 0:11:24.400 up my own truth for my own life. And that's 0:11:24.400 --> 0:11:27.080 always a dead end street I've learned a long time ago. 0:11:27.120 --> 0:11:31.400 My first instincts are usually wrong. Right? Seriously? You know. 0:11:31.679 --> 0:11:34.640 You know, I don't quickly forgive people who have offended me. 0:11:34.640 --> 0:11:37.440 That's not. But the Word of God is an external 0:11:37.480 --> 0:11:41.320 truth that is always true. And it's not something that 0:11:41.320 --> 0:11:45.410 I just experiment with. So the the solidarity of having 0:11:45.410 --> 0:11:49.170 an external truth that is always true, that I can 0:11:49.170 --> 0:11:52.250 trust in, is a great gift from God. And it's 0:11:52.250 --> 0:11:53.050 in this book. 0:11:53.090 --> 0:11:55.770 Yeah. And that's that's why we have Open Line actually, 0:11:55.809 --> 0:11:59.970 because that's it's people have questions about the word. How 0:11:59.970 --> 0:12:02.210 does it apply to my walk with the Lord? How 0:12:02.210 --> 0:12:05.250 do I understand God? I really do try because of 0:12:05.250 --> 0:12:08.689 this book being so dependable, so trustworthy. That's where we 0:12:08.690 --> 0:12:12.970 try and get our answers from. So, well, we are 0:12:13.010 --> 0:12:15.770 going to a break right now and when we come back, 0:12:15.770 --> 0:12:18.890 we have more questions from our live studio audience, more 0:12:18.890 --> 0:12:21.570 answers from Doctor Joe Stoll. That's what a what a 0:12:21.570 --> 0:12:22.650 great thing to have. 0:12:22.809 --> 0:12:24.570 What do you think about that, Michael? 0:12:24.650 --> 0:12:26.890 Yeah. What do you think? We're going to be right back. 0:12:26.890 --> 0:12:29.689 This is open line with Michael Redlick. Stay with us. 0:12:29.690 --> 0:12:52.660 More questions straight ahead. Welcome back to Open Line. I'm 0:12:52.660 --> 0:12:54.860 so glad to be with you today with our live 0:12:54.860 --> 0:12:58.059 audience asking the questions today. And joining me for this 0:12:58.059 --> 0:13:03.740 segment again is Doctor Joe stole my, uh, you know, now, uh, 0:13:03.740 --> 0:13:07.060 my neighbor we exactly. Yeah. We've got a place near 0:13:07.100 --> 0:13:07.939 near each other. 0:13:07.980 --> 0:13:10.660 You moved in and nobody said there goes the neighbor. 0:13:10.700 --> 0:13:14.620 Oh, no. That's good. They actually, they may have said that. 0:13:14.620 --> 0:13:17.780 We don't know. Not a chance. It's great. Anyway, uh, 0:13:17.780 --> 0:13:20.180 we have someone here to ask a question. Go ahead. 0:13:20.380 --> 0:13:21.780 Hi, I'm Courtney from Ohio. 0:13:22.100 --> 0:13:23.260 And we're in Ohio. 0:13:23.580 --> 0:13:25.140 Um, Stowe. Stowe, Ohio. 0:13:25.140 --> 0:13:28.540 Stowe, Ohio. I my very first congregation that I led 0:13:28.540 --> 0:13:31.580 out of seminary was in Columbus, Ohio. 0:13:31.620 --> 0:13:32.620 About two hours south. 0:13:32.660 --> 0:13:33.059 Yep. 0:13:33.300 --> 0:13:36.060 Yeah. So my question is, if you can talk about 0:13:36.059 --> 0:13:38.940 the Millennial Kingdom a little bit and the thousand year 0:13:38.940 --> 0:13:43.350 reign studying revelations 20 and 21 this week. It's all 0:13:43.350 --> 0:13:47.590 clear as mud to me right now, and I'm wondering. 0:13:47.790 --> 0:13:50.949 It says we'll reign with Christ. So are we there 0:13:50.990 --> 0:13:54.589 in immortal bodies, while there are also people there in 0:13:54.630 --> 0:13:57.829 mortal bodies coexisting together for that time period? 0:13:57.870 --> 0:13:59.590 Yeah. This is one of the things that gets kind 0:13:59.630 --> 0:14:05.390 of confusing to people. But first, before anything else, uh, 0:14:06.830 --> 0:14:08.590 what do you think about the number 1000? Do you 0:14:08.590 --> 0:14:09.430 think it's real? 0:14:10.750 --> 0:14:14.070 Well, actually, I do think it's real. I think it's 0:14:14.070 --> 0:14:17.870 a literal statement. I think that's the best reading sometimes 0:14:17.870 --> 0:14:21.190 you get in Scripture. Like, there could be multiple readings 0:14:21.470 --> 0:14:23.870 and you say, well, which is the best? Maybe not. 0:14:23.870 --> 0:14:26.670 Like I'll die for this, but. So I think it's 0:14:26.670 --> 0:14:27.390 the best reading. 0:14:27.550 --> 0:14:29.510 I agree. You know, this is one of the reasons 0:14:29.510 --> 0:14:33.030 why I, you know, because nowhere else. It talks about 0:14:33.030 --> 0:14:37.870 the messianic kingdom, a literal, physical, earthly kingdom that the 0:14:37.870 --> 0:14:40.430 Messiah will reign over. You can read about that in 0:14:40.430 --> 0:14:43.610 Isaiah 11 and lots of places, but it never says 0:14:43.610 --> 0:14:46.890 it's a thousand years except in revelation 20. So some 0:14:46.890 --> 0:14:50.370 people say it's just a long time, but every other 0:14:50.370 --> 0:14:53.730 number in the book of revelation is a literal number. 0:14:54.210 --> 0:14:57.290 You know, there are really seven bowl judgments. There really 0:14:57.290 --> 0:15:05.970 are seven. Seal judgments and seven trumpet judgments. And there 0:15:06.010 --> 0:15:08.170 are a lot of numbers in the book of revelation, 0:15:08.170 --> 0:15:12.130 and they are all real numbers. And so that's why 0:15:12.130 --> 0:15:13.810 I think a thousand years makes the most. 0:15:13.810 --> 0:15:16.330 They will need to repopulate correctly. So they do need 0:15:16.330 --> 0:15:17.330 that time span. 0:15:17.370 --> 0:15:20.570 Okay. So here I'm going to try my best. And 0:15:20.570 --> 0:15:22.570 this is one of those questions that I know Joe. 0:15:22.610 --> 0:15:26.130 Joe had a Founders Week that he led in the 0:15:26.130 --> 0:15:28.570 year 2000. And I don't know if you remember it, 0:15:28.570 --> 0:15:31.490 but it was, uh, about prophecy. And it was the 0:15:31.490 --> 0:15:33.330 first time he ever asked me to speak at a 0:15:33.330 --> 0:15:35.290 Founders Week. He said, oh, it's about prophecy. Get ready 0:15:35.570 --> 0:15:41.020 in there. So that was it. So. But, uh, So anyway, the, uh, 0:15:42.540 --> 0:15:45.660 the the very first thing is, I believe the next step, 0:15:45.660 --> 0:15:48.180 the thing that we're waiting for is the rapture. Now, 0:15:48.180 --> 0:15:51.220 there are people who have views that the rapture or 0:15:51.260 --> 0:15:54.460 the the, uh, Great Snatch is what I like to 0:15:54.500 --> 0:15:59.380 call it from first Thessalonians 413 through 18. Uh, that 0:15:59.380 --> 0:16:02.300 when the Lord snatches the church up. Some people think 0:16:02.300 --> 0:16:04.740 it happens in the during the tribulation near the end 0:16:04.740 --> 0:16:08.340 of the tribulation, after the tribulation. And you know, we're 0:16:08.340 --> 0:16:10.420 not going to go to war over this. Some people 0:16:10.420 --> 0:16:12.820 don't even believe it happens. But here's the thing, I 0:16:12.860 --> 0:16:16.380 believe it. I think it happens before a future seven 0:16:16.380 --> 0:16:18.900 year period where there's going to be all sorts of 0:16:18.900 --> 0:16:24.020 pressure on Israel and all sorts of political domination by 0:16:24.020 --> 0:16:27.940 a future world ruler. Uh, the prince who is to come, 0:16:27.940 --> 0:16:31.300 he's called. He's called the beast. Uh, some people call 0:16:31.300 --> 0:16:35.060 him the Antichrist, and he's going to do all these 0:16:35.060 --> 0:16:38.790 terrible things. And what will happen is the pressure on 0:16:38.790 --> 0:16:41.550 Israel become so great as the wrath of God comes 0:16:41.550 --> 0:16:45.270 on the earth. But this future false Messiah is going 0:16:45.270 --> 0:16:48.430 to put so much pressure on Israel that it will 0:16:48.430 --> 0:16:54.070 cause Israel, ultimately, at the end of this seven year period, 0:16:54.070 --> 0:16:57.870 to call out for Jesus. This is from Matthew 23, 0:16:57.910 --> 0:17:02.230 verses 37 through 39. It says, O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, how 0:17:02.230 --> 0:17:04.310 I would have gathered you as a mother hen gathers 0:17:04.310 --> 0:17:06.390 her chicks, but you were not willing. And then he says, 0:17:06.390 --> 0:17:09.950 now your house is being left to you desolate. How 0:17:09.950 --> 0:17:12.990 long the Jerusalem is going to be destroyed? The temple 0:17:12.990 --> 0:17:17.270 will be destroyed. But for how long? Until you say, 0:17:17.670 --> 0:17:20.150 blessed is he who comes in the name of the Lord. 0:17:20.350 --> 0:17:24.430 And so Jesus says to Jerusalem, I'm not returning until 0:17:24.470 --> 0:17:28.229 those are words of welcome in Hebrew. Baruch Hashem, Adonai, 0:17:28.230 --> 0:17:30.790 until you welcome me back. I am not returning. So 0:17:30.790 --> 0:17:35.030 that's why God puts the pressure on Israel to turn them. 0:17:35.030 --> 0:17:37.159 And it says in Zechariah 1210 they look upon the 0:17:37.160 --> 0:17:40.120 pierced one and they mourn for him as one mourns 0:17:40.119 --> 0:17:43.280 for an only son, mourning of repentance because of all 0:17:43.280 --> 0:17:48.400 the years of rejection. And, uh. And then so these 0:17:48.400 --> 0:17:51.880 Jewish people, like Paul, talks about all Israel at the 0:17:51.880 --> 0:17:56.800 end of this time, they believe, and they're saved. They 0:17:56.800 --> 0:17:59.920 enter the kingdom, but they do not have glorified bodies 0:18:00.760 --> 0:18:03.960 because they're just going to go right into the kingdom. 0:18:04.160 --> 0:18:06.919 Who enters the kingdom with glorified bodies? Those of us 0:18:06.920 --> 0:18:10.520 who have been translated, the raptured, those who have died 0:18:10.520 --> 0:18:14.080 and been resurrected, those of us that the Old Testament 0:18:14.080 --> 0:18:16.959 saints will be resurrected. It says in Daniel 12, I 0:18:16.960 --> 0:18:20.160 think right at the beginning of that earthly kingdom. So 0:18:20.160 --> 0:18:24.160 there'll be people there who are glorified, resurrected bodies, and 0:18:24.160 --> 0:18:27.560 then these Jewish people will enter the kingdom, and they 0:18:27.560 --> 0:18:30.200 will not be glorified. They will be believers, but not 0:18:30.240 --> 0:18:34.359 yet glorified. Also, Matthew 25 deals with the judgment of 0:18:34.359 --> 0:18:37.210 the sheep and the goats. Now people say, well, who 0:18:37.210 --> 0:18:39.450 are those sheep and goats? Well, if you read the text, 0:18:39.490 --> 0:18:42.610 it says in Matthew 25 that this is the judgment 0:18:42.609 --> 0:18:46.730 of the Gentile nations, when at the return of the 0:18:46.730 --> 0:18:51.730 Lord there will be mostly Gentile nations that are oppressing Israel, 0:18:51.730 --> 0:18:54.250 but there will be people who, because they are believers, 0:18:54.609 --> 0:18:59.690 they will oppose the anti-Semitism of that future false Messiah. 0:18:59.690 --> 0:19:02.090 They will protect Jewish people. And that's why the Lord 0:19:02.090 --> 0:19:05.090 Jesus says to them, uh, inasmuch as you have done 0:19:05.090 --> 0:19:09.210 it unto the least of these, my brothers, my physically 0:19:09.250 --> 0:19:13.410 Jewish brothers, you've done it unto me. Enter into the joy. 0:19:13.930 --> 0:19:17.090 Enter the kingdom, and they will enter the kingdom. These 0:19:17.090 --> 0:19:21.210 believers who protected Jewish people during the tribulation period. These 0:19:21.210 --> 0:19:24.770 people will enter the kingdom without glorified bodies. So how 0:19:24.770 --> 0:19:28.890 does the Millennial Kingdom get populated by both Jewish and 0:19:28.890 --> 0:19:32.690 Gentiles who love the Lord Jesus and enter that kingdom, 0:19:32.690 --> 0:19:36.420 and then will be there raining over them does that. 0:19:37.780 --> 0:19:42.780 So they're living mortal bodies and marrying and having children. Yes, 0:19:42.820 --> 0:19:46.860 but believers will not be. So how is that raining? 0:19:46.900 --> 0:19:49.820 Is that a different? We're living together. 0:19:49.859 --> 0:19:53.379 Yeah. We'll be serving the Lord there. Yeah, I think so. 0:19:53.540 --> 0:19:56.980 Yeah. What does Michael the raining aspect so. 0:19:57.300 --> 0:20:00.020 Well, for example, the 12 apostles are going to rain 0:20:00.020 --> 0:20:00.939 over Israel. 0:20:01.140 --> 0:20:01.660 Mhm. 0:20:01.900 --> 0:20:04.780 Over the 12 tribes. We know that from Matthew 1928, 0:20:04.780 --> 0:20:07.020 because they are the faithful remnant of Israel, and that 0:20:07.020 --> 0:20:09.060 was what was promised to them. So there's going to 0:20:09.060 --> 0:20:11.700 be and I don't know, raining that, you know, kiss 0:20:11.740 --> 0:20:14.820 my ring or anything like that. I think we'll be serving, uh, 0:20:14.820 --> 0:20:18.540 as representatives of the Lord in various you know, there's 0:20:18.540 --> 0:20:20.340 going to be I don't think it's right to call 0:20:20.340 --> 0:20:22.820 it the deep state in the messianic kingdom, but there 0:20:22.820 --> 0:20:27.820 will be an administration of government and we will serve 0:20:27.820 --> 0:20:29.540 in that, it seems like to me. 0:20:29.700 --> 0:20:30.140 Thank you. 0:20:30.180 --> 0:20:36.390 So yeah. Okay. We have another question coming up. There 0:20:36.390 --> 0:20:41.790 we go. Stepping up. Get real close to that microphone. 0:20:42.590 --> 0:20:45.390 My name is Olivia Bird, and I'm from Glen Ellyn. 0:20:45.390 --> 0:20:48.350 And my question is why is Jesus's death and resurrection 0:20:48.350 --> 0:20:51.470 resurrection told in four different perspectives instead of only being 0:20:51.710 --> 0:20:52.550 told once? 0:20:53.510 --> 0:20:58.310 Oh, there we go. Do you want me first? Okay. Well, 0:20:58.710 --> 0:21:03.270 I think that. Here's what I would compare it to 0:21:03.869 --> 0:21:08.190 when people serve. I remember this during the Reagan presidency 0:21:09.150 --> 0:21:12.350 of Ronald Reagan, haven't you? Yeah, yeah. Good. Okay. I'm 0:21:12.350 --> 0:21:18.230 glad they still teach him something in school. Uh, I 0:21:18.230 --> 0:21:22.230 remember when President Reagan became president, there were all these 0:21:22.230 --> 0:21:25.389 people who left private service. You know, they were in 0:21:25.390 --> 0:21:29.510 the private world, business and things like that. And they 0:21:29.510 --> 0:21:34.560 entered his administration. And then after serving for several years, 0:21:34.560 --> 0:21:37.080 they left. And this is what's so interesting. They all 0:21:37.119 --> 0:21:41.880 seem to write memoirs, and I think the Gospels should 0:21:41.880 --> 0:21:49.199 be read much more like apostolic memoirs than as biographies. Uh, 0:21:49.640 --> 0:21:55.000 they're about their engagement with the Lord Jesus and what 0:21:55.000 --> 0:22:00.080 they experienced so that other people could experience that as well. 0:22:00.440 --> 0:22:03.720 And so they wrote apostolic. That's because they were apostles, 0:22:03.720 --> 0:22:08.720 sent ones apostolic memoirs. And it was what did I 0:22:08.720 --> 0:22:12.680 encounter when I met the King? What was it like? Uh, 0:22:12.680 --> 0:22:16.440 how I saw him do these marvelous miracles. This confirms 0:22:16.440 --> 0:22:20.320 he really is who he claimed to be. Uh, he 0:22:20.320 --> 0:22:26.000 really did heal, uh, the blind, the lame. Uh, uh, 0:22:26.000 --> 0:22:29.639 he did teach this, uh, and and they each have 0:22:29.640 --> 0:22:35.250 a different perspective. All true, but a different perspective. And so, 0:22:35.770 --> 0:22:40.730 you know, sometimes people will need to hear a message 0:22:40.730 --> 0:22:45.409 from one person one way, and then another person needs 0:22:45.410 --> 0:22:48.570 to hear it a different way. So for example, Matthew 0:22:48.570 --> 0:22:51.370 is writing for Jewish people and he shows how Jesus 0:22:51.369 --> 0:22:57.330 fulfills the prophecies. But Luke's writing for the Greco-Roman world, 0:22:57.650 --> 0:23:00.129 and they need to hear about how Jesus is the 0:23:00.130 --> 0:23:04.770 Son of man, that he's the perfect representative for God. 0:23:04.810 --> 0:23:08.010 And so everyone needs to hear it differently. And so 0:23:08.010 --> 0:23:11.450 we have four stories that present the same truth from 0:23:11.450 --> 0:23:14.970 different perspectives. And that's why we have four apostolic memoirs. 0:23:15.010 --> 0:23:18.130 Yeah, I think that spot on that like if four 0:23:18.130 --> 0:23:22.690 people see an event and then the one person tells 0:23:22.690 --> 0:23:25.449 you about it, they tell you and the next person 0:23:25.450 --> 0:23:29.340 tells you, the next person tells you something that they 0:23:29.340 --> 0:23:32.340 saw that the other person forgot to tell. Right. So 0:23:32.500 --> 0:23:36.140 what you get, Olivia, is four different perspectives of the 0:23:36.140 --> 0:23:40.580 same thing. And each perspective is rich in its own. 0:23:40.619 --> 0:23:44.020 Because the first person. Oh, yeah, I should have said 0:23:44.020 --> 0:23:48.859 that because. And you get a much better, broader picture 0:23:48.859 --> 0:23:51.420 of it because all four of them kind of see 0:23:51.420 --> 0:23:54.620 the whole thing and all the details, whereas just one 0:23:54.619 --> 0:23:58.699 person may not have told all those details. So I 0:23:58.700 --> 0:24:01.340 think we get a richer, fuller picture of Jesus. 0:24:01.380 --> 0:24:04.180 You know, there's a how old are you? 0:24:04.460 --> 0:24:05.260 Um, 14. 0:24:05.300 --> 0:24:08.860 That was a that was a personal question there, Michael. 0:24:08.900 --> 0:24:12.540 Well, I when I see someone who's under 18, I'm. 0:24:12.580 --> 0:24:13.500 I'm allowed. 0:24:13.540 --> 0:24:14.939 Don't ask my wife that question. 0:24:15.020 --> 0:24:17.780 I would not I would not. But a teenager, I 0:24:17.780 --> 0:24:21.580 think I can ask. Uh, the reason I'm saying that is, 0:24:21.580 --> 0:24:22.980 as you get a little bit older and you come 0:24:22.980 --> 0:24:26.699 to Moody Bible Institute as a student, one of the 0:24:26.700 --> 0:24:29.159 things that I would encourage you to do. Are you 0:24:29.160 --> 0:24:30.240 thinking about coming to Moody? 0:24:30.480 --> 0:24:32.720 Yeah, it's one of my options, probably. 0:24:32.760 --> 0:24:35.600 Yeah. I hope you'll really consider it. I think it's the. 0:24:35.640 --> 0:24:37.960 No matter what you do in life. Going to Moody 0:24:37.960 --> 0:24:40.560 was the best foundation for life for me. I have 0:24:40.560 --> 0:24:45.080 friends who are lawyers and bankers and all sorts of things. Uh, but. 0:24:45.359 --> 0:24:48.720 And some in ministry. But we all went to Moody together, 0:24:48.960 --> 0:24:51.639 and it gave us a great foundation. But one of 0:24:51.640 --> 0:24:54.040 the books that you'll maybe read if you ever came 0:24:54.040 --> 0:24:57.000 to Moody is a book by David Alan Black. It's 0:24:57.000 --> 0:25:02.720 called Why Four Gospels, and it is a wonderful, helpful book, 0:25:02.760 --> 0:25:06.520 maybe a little bit beyond you right now. But when 0:25:06.520 --> 0:25:09.280 you're a freshman at Moody or a sophomore, the perfect 0:25:09.320 --> 0:25:12.840 time to read it. Why four gospels and, uh, or 0:25:12.840 --> 0:25:15.120 you can try, you know, make your make your dad 0:25:15.160 --> 0:25:18.400 buy it for you. You know, that's, uh, I don't 0:25:18.400 --> 0:25:20.639 get any commission on that, but it's a really good book, 0:25:20.680 --> 0:25:24.119 and it really is helpful for explaining the question that 0:25:24.119 --> 0:25:27.370 that you had. Okay. Thank you. Yeah. And, you know, 0:25:27.450 --> 0:25:30.010 if you're listening and you're thinking, what do I do 0:25:30.130 --> 0:25:33.889 with my son's life? My daughter's life? My grandkids recommend 0:25:33.890 --> 0:25:35.770 they check out Moody Bible Institute, come to one of 0:25:35.770 --> 0:25:38.689 our experienced Moody's. It's one of the best places to 0:25:38.730 --> 0:25:41.810 get a great foundation for all of life. This is 0:25:41.850 --> 0:25:44.930 open line with a live audience. Joe Stoll, Michael Ray 0:25:44.930 --> 0:25:47.890 Zelnick we'll be right back with more questions straight ahead. 0:25:48.210 --> 0:26:11.730 Stay with us. Welcome back to Open Line. It's time 0:26:11.730 --> 0:26:16.450 for the Febc mailbag. The mailbag is something that Febc 0:26:16.490 --> 0:26:18.730 partners with us to bring you every week. 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It is it is a real partnership. 0:28:01.710 --> 0:28:04.149 And there are other partners, people who listen. When I 0:28:04.150 --> 0:28:05.950 first started on Open Line, I thought, no one's going 0:28:05.950 --> 0:28:08.310 to listen to this program. Why would they listen to me? 0:28:08.310 --> 0:28:12.670 But Eva would listen, and I'm grateful for every listener. 0:28:12.910 --> 0:28:15.510 I am so grateful. And then not only that, there 0:28:15.510 --> 0:28:19.310 are people who commit to give to open line. Sometimes 0:28:19.310 --> 0:28:23.200 people will just give one time, I really appreciate that. 0:28:23.200 --> 0:28:25.600 But also there are other people who will give monthly. 0:28:25.600 --> 0:28:27.879 There are kitchen table partners. They sit around the radio 0:28:27.880 --> 0:28:31.160 kitchen table every week. 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Okay let's let's hit some questions for Eva. 0:29:13.120 --> 0:29:18.200 All right Lauren is in Indiana listens to what is 0:29:18.200 --> 0:29:22.970 your interpretation of revelation 316. I heard an explanation that 0:29:23.010 --> 0:29:25.450 refers to the church of Laodicea as an example of 0:29:25.450 --> 0:29:28.410 the types of water that they could get. A source 0:29:28.410 --> 0:29:30.850 that was cold but came from six miles away, and 0:29:30.850 --> 0:29:33.930 another source that was hot, and then they were both 0:29:33.930 --> 0:29:36.890 lukewarm by the time they arrived. Saying that the people 0:29:36.890 --> 0:29:41.170 were like that water. Um, what is God actually saying 0:29:41.170 --> 0:29:43.530 in this verse? So let me read it real quick. 0:29:43.570 --> 0:29:46.010 It's I'm going to start at verse 14, right to 0:29:46.050 --> 0:29:48.930 the angel of the church of Laodicea. The Amen. The 0:29:48.930 --> 0:29:52.730 faithful and true witness, the originator of God's creation, says, 0:29:52.970 --> 0:29:55.969 I know your works, that you are neither hot nor cold. 0:29:56.410 --> 0:29:59.290 I wish that you were cold or hot. So because 0:29:59.290 --> 0:30:01.730 you are lukewarm, neither hot nor cold, I'm going to 0:30:01.770 --> 0:30:04.330 vomit you out of my mouth. Yeah. 0:30:05.370 --> 0:30:05.810 Well. 0:30:06.210 --> 0:30:06.970 Let me just start. 0:30:07.010 --> 0:30:07.810 Okay, good. Go ahead. 0:30:07.850 --> 0:30:10.250 Some people think, well, there were hot springs and cold 0:30:10.250 --> 0:30:13.570 springs in Laodicea, and that's the background. And it very 0:30:13.570 --> 0:30:17.770 well may be that the church at Laodicea, Laodicea would say, huh? 0:30:18.330 --> 0:30:20.460 It's like these cold springs and hot springs, but you 0:30:20.460 --> 0:30:25.180 don't need that to understand it. Uh, right. First rule 0:30:25.180 --> 0:30:28.700 of biblical interpretation. In order to understand the Bible, we 0:30:28.700 --> 0:30:31.580 need to read it. And just reading it, here's what 0:30:31.580 --> 0:30:35.700 we know that some things are either hot and we 0:30:35.700 --> 0:30:40.580 like them, and some things are either cold and that's great, 0:30:41.220 --> 0:30:44.980 but tepid lukewarm, not so good. 0:30:45.020 --> 0:30:48.860 Yeah, I think that's the big idea. I mean, you know, geographically, 0:30:48.860 --> 0:30:52.380 whether there were these springs or not, um, is not 0:30:52.380 --> 0:30:55.220 the point of the, of the text. I think that 0:30:55.220 --> 0:30:57.860 the point is, is when you're sitting at your counter 0:30:57.860 --> 0:30:59.300 in the morning and you think, I'm going to take 0:30:59.300 --> 0:31:05.060 that last sip of coffee and it's lukewarm. You just think, well, you. 0:31:05.100 --> 0:31:05.900 Spit it right out. 0:31:05.940 --> 0:31:08.300 Or on a hot summer day and you think, man, 0:31:08.300 --> 0:31:10.540 I just I'm so. I'm so hot. I just want 0:31:10.540 --> 0:31:12.820 some of this good iced tea. And you reach over, 0:31:13.340 --> 0:31:15.140 and it's been on the counter for an hour and 0:31:15.140 --> 0:31:18.630 a half, and it's not iced tea anymore. It's lukewarm. 0:31:18.750 --> 0:31:21.430 You don't want it. I think that's the point. 0:31:21.470 --> 0:31:25.390 Yeah. So it's saying the message to them is you 0:31:25.390 --> 0:31:28.270 have to be what you are called to be. Uh, 0:31:28.270 --> 0:31:35.070 which is, uh, either. Cold. Not meaning cold and heart, 0:31:35.070 --> 0:31:38.350 but like iced tea. Uh. 0:31:38.710 --> 0:31:40.310 Refreshing cold water? Yeah. 0:31:40.350 --> 0:31:45.230 Refreshing cold water or hot coffee? That's nothing better, I think, 0:31:45.270 --> 0:31:49.790 at about six in the morning. You know, black hot coffee, steaming, 0:31:49.790 --> 0:31:54.390 burning my tongue. I love that. Okay. That. But this tepid, 0:31:54.390 --> 0:31:59.590 not caring, not anything that's that demonstrates a lack of faith. 0:32:00.270 --> 0:32:06.470 And it's that church would be spat out. Uh, and 0:32:06.510 --> 0:32:11.550 it it it happened. There is no church there now. Uh, really, uh, 0:32:11.550 --> 0:32:14.750 from what was there in, in the first century. 0:32:15.150 --> 0:32:18.640 Okay. All right. Our next question is from David in Florida, 0:32:18.640 --> 0:32:23.080 listens to R&B in Luke 1818 to 20. Jesus answers 0:32:23.080 --> 0:32:26.000 the question from the rich young ruler, but he only 0:32:26.000 --> 0:32:29.160 recites a portion of the Ten Commandments. I'm curious why 0:32:29.160 --> 0:32:32.040 he skips the first ones. So this says a ruler 0:32:32.040 --> 0:32:34.680 asked him, good teacher, what must I do to inherit 0:32:34.720 --> 0:32:38.400 eternal life? Why do you call me good? Jesus asked him. 0:32:38.440 --> 0:32:41.479 No one is good but one God. You know the 0:32:41.480 --> 0:32:42.840 commandments do not. Oh, by the. 0:32:42.840 --> 0:32:45.760 Way, don't you? Don't you think this guy had no idea? 0:32:45.800 --> 0:32:48.360 He's talking to God in the flesh. Yeah. You know, 0:32:49.920 --> 0:32:53.880 I think that's he's not denying his deity there. He's 0:32:53.880 --> 0:32:56.120 just saying no one is good but God. Why are 0:32:56.120 --> 0:32:57.840 you calling me good? Do you know who I am? 0:32:57.880 --> 0:33:00.400 You know, he had no idea. No. Yeah. 0:33:00.560 --> 0:33:03.760 So Jesus says, you know the commandments do not commit adultery, 0:33:03.800 --> 0:33:07.080 do not murder, do not steal. Do not bear false witness. 0:33:07.080 --> 0:33:10.120 Honor your father and mother. Why does he just recite 0:33:10.120 --> 0:33:12.840 this portion and not the rest of the Ten Commandments? 0:33:12.840 --> 0:33:16.020 Yeah. Like, uh, the beginning. You shall have no other 0:33:16.020 --> 0:33:21.260 gods before me. Right. Uh. That's a good question, Eva. 0:33:21.300 --> 0:33:23.060 I was waiting to hear what you had to say. 0:33:23.100 --> 0:33:25.460 I think that's a good question. Uh, you know, I 0:33:25.460 --> 0:33:28.420 think maybe he reminded him of the things that were 0:33:28.420 --> 0:33:32.020 the most crucial to this man's life. You know, these 0:33:32.060 --> 0:33:34.340 maybe these issues were the ones that were the most 0:33:34.340 --> 0:33:38.940 telling in his. In his life. Um, and, you know, 0:33:38.980 --> 0:33:42.780 the point is that, um, what is you know, what 0:33:42.780 --> 0:33:44.740 is the point? What is his. What is big? What 0:33:44.740 --> 0:33:47.020 is his big point when he talks to the man 0:33:47.020 --> 0:33:51.020 about this? What does the guy do? He turns away 0:33:51.820 --> 0:33:56.220 sorrowful because he didn't want to make it sold out. Obedience. 0:33:56.220 --> 0:33:59.540 His superficial obedience. Okay. Sold out. Not so good. 0:33:59.580 --> 0:34:02.580 Yeah. I think it's so interesting that we always expect 0:34:02.620 --> 0:34:05.300 if Jesus is going to going to quote the Ten Commandments, 0:34:05.300 --> 0:34:09.020 he can't just quote a selection. And I think it's 0:34:09.020 --> 0:34:11.900 because when you look at the ones that he just 0:34:11.900 --> 0:34:14.710 picked a, a segment of them, but he picked the 0:34:14.710 --> 0:34:20.670 ones about interpersonal relationships. I think that's so interesting. Maybe 0:34:20.670 --> 0:34:24.870 this guy was very strong at worship, you know, and 0:34:24.870 --> 0:34:28.509 but not so strong at interpersonal relationships. We've never met 0:34:28.510 --> 0:34:32.629 anyone like that. Right. And so maybe that's exactly what 0:34:32.670 --> 0:34:35.990 he was saying, that that's that's what he pointed out. 0:34:35.989 --> 0:34:38.109 So I think it's just selective. Are we going to 0:34:38.110 --> 0:34:40.270 have another question from our audience here? Nope. We're going 0:34:40.270 --> 0:34:42.830 to take a break here. And what we're going to 0:34:42.830 --> 0:34:44.950 do is when we come back, we're going to do 0:34:44.950 --> 0:34:47.310 our best to get as many questions in that we 0:34:47.310 --> 0:34:51.029 can for our live studio audience. It's going to be 0:34:51.030 --> 0:34:53.830 really easy because Eve is very good at answering questions. 0:34:54.030 --> 0:34:55.950 That's Eve or I don't think that was Joe stole before. 0:34:55.989 --> 0:34:58.790 Now it's Michael right here talking. We'll be right back. 0:34:58.790 --> 0:35:02.870 Stay with us. More questions on open line. Straight ahead. 0:35:18.080 --> 0:35:22.560 Welcome back to Open Line. And Eva Reinicke is joining 0:35:22.560 --> 0:35:25.560 me for this last segment. She did last segment. Eve 0:35:25.560 --> 0:35:28.280 has taught at Moody for as long as I have. Uh, 0:35:28.280 --> 0:35:30.960 she has taught, I think, more courses than anyone I 0:35:30.960 --> 0:35:36.720 know and also contributed to the Moody Bible Commentary. Jeremiah, Ezekiel, Lamentations. 0:35:36.760 --> 0:35:38.160 I went for the upbeat books. 0:35:40.920 --> 0:35:44.200 And also contributed to The Moody Handbook of Messianic Prophecy 0:35:44.200 --> 0:35:47.239 and other books as well. And so I am grateful 0:35:47.280 --> 0:35:49.799 when I joke around and I say that Eve is 0:35:49.800 --> 0:35:53.000 texting me the answers. Not so much of a joke. Uh, 0:35:53.800 --> 0:35:59.120 I'm really glad that she's here. Uh, when when when 0:35:59.120 --> 0:36:02.160 it stumped Michael. Then the answer comes in on my phone. 0:36:02.160 --> 0:36:05.839 I'm really grateful for it. Uh, chosen People Ministry is 0:36:05.840 --> 0:36:09.959 one of our partners. Is offering a book that's really timely. 0:36:10.200 --> 0:36:15.569 It's called a Passover, a time for redemption. It's really 0:36:15.570 --> 0:36:19.209 about how this Passover season, which teaches about from the Bible, 0:36:19.210 --> 0:36:21.450 from the book of Exodus, the redemption of Israel through 0:36:21.450 --> 0:36:25.130 the Passover lamb, how that foreshadows Jesus, the Messiah, the 0:36:25.130 --> 0:36:27.370 Lamb of God who takes away the sin of the world. 0:36:27.530 --> 0:36:30.049 And if you're interested in that, I think it's a 0:36:30.050 --> 0:36:34.570 great resource. What you could do is go to our website, openline. radio.org. 0:36:34.610 --> 0:36:37.210 Scroll down. You'll see a link that says A free 0:36:37.250 --> 0:36:40.010 gift from Chosen People Ministries. You can click on that. 0:36:40.010 --> 0:36:41.450 It takes you to a page where you can sign 0:36:41.450 --> 0:36:45.690 up for your own copy of Passover, A time for redemption. 0:36:46.050 --> 0:36:48.410 And we're going to start with questions right now. 0:36:48.890 --> 0:36:52.489 Okay. My name is al from Grand Rapids. And my 0:36:52.489 --> 0:36:57.089 question is what is the difference between Amillennial and premillennial? 0:37:00.130 --> 0:37:03.970 Okay. So I have to say this. It's really important 0:37:03.969 --> 0:37:08.210 that Amillennial and Premillennial both believe in the return of 0:37:08.210 --> 0:37:11.180 the Lord Jesus. And what I think is most important 0:37:11.180 --> 0:37:13.780 is to believe that when Jesus said he's coming back, 0:37:13.780 --> 0:37:19.660 that we believe he's coming back. Uh Amillennial believes. Well, 0:37:19.700 --> 0:37:23.420 Premillennial believes that the Lord Jesus will return before the 0:37:23.420 --> 0:37:26.939 Millennial Kingdom. There will be a messianic kingdom on earth 0:37:26.940 --> 0:37:29.740 for a thousand years. That's why it's called the millennium. 0:37:30.219 --> 0:37:34.020 And the Lord Jesus returns and establishes that kingdom and 0:37:34.020 --> 0:37:38.940 reigns from Jerusalem. Okay. On earth. And then after that, 0:37:38.940 --> 0:37:42.219 there's one last rebellion. And then after that rebellion is 0:37:42.219 --> 0:37:46.660 put down. Then what happens is that there's the world 0:37:46.700 --> 0:37:49.180 to come. The new heavens and the new earth, the 0:37:49.180 --> 0:37:51.739 new creation that's going to be made where we serve 0:37:51.780 --> 0:37:55.820 God forever and ever and ever. Amillennialists believe that the 0:37:55.860 --> 0:37:58.980 new creation and the forever and ever and ever happens 0:37:58.980 --> 0:38:01.779 right when the Lord returns. And there isn't that 1000 0:38:01.820 --> 0:38:02.420 year reign. 0:38:02.900 --> 0:38:03.420 Okay. 0:38:03.540 --> 0:38:06.700 So some believe in a pre millennial before the millennium, 0:38:07.060 --> 0:38:11.029 and some people believe in no millennium, just the forever. 0:38:11.590 --> 0:38:12.589 Okay. Thank you. 0:38:14.550 --> 0:38:15.150 That's good. 0:38:17.790 --> 0:38:19.910 Hi. I'm. I'm Charles. I'm from West. 0:38:19.910 --> 0:38:24.069 Plainfield, California. Oh, really? Which is near, uh, Davis, California. 0:38:24.110 --> 0:38:25.310 You probably heard of that town? 0:38:25.350 --> 0:38:26.310 Yeah, UC Davis. 0:38:26.350 --> 0:38:31.790 Sure. Thank you. Um, there's a lot of good Bible 0:38:31.790 --> 0:38:36.549 teachers out there, and it's interesting that, uh, many of 0:38:36.550 --> 0:38:42.390 them have widely differing, um, vantage points on what you 0:38:42.390 --> 0:38:49.510 would call, um, end times theology. Sure. You have pre-tribulation 0:38:49.510 --> 0:38:54.270 and amillennialism and, uh, mid mid-trib wrath and all these 0:38:54.270 --> 0:38:58.149 other things. And, and some of these arguments are quite compelling. 0:38:59.030 --> 0:39:02.589 So my question for you is for 2025 and all 0:39:02.590 --> 0:39:05.830 of us that believe right now, how important is it 0:39:05.830 --> 0:39:10.080 that we take a stand? Or is it important at 0:39:10.080 --> 0:39:12.720 all that we take a stand on one of these points? 0:39:12.719 --> 0:39:15.480 Because some of these teachers are very passionate about this. 0:39:16.640 --> 0:39:20.360 Well, I think the reason that some of them differ 0:39:20.400 --> 0:39:26.200 is they haven't heard Eva explain it well enough. Yeah. Uh, no, 0:39:26.200 --> 0:39:31.920 I think that there's a and this is important. There's something. 0:39:31.920 --> 0:39:34.640 When we read the Bible, we read it for the 0:39:34.640 --> 0:39:38.839 plain sense. Right? Uh, everyone says they do that, but 0:39:38.840 --> 0:39:41.839 there are people who, when they read, uh, about the 0:39:41.840 --> 0:39:44.879 plain sense that God has a plan for Israel and 0:39:44.880 --> 0:39:47.960 the restoration of the Jewish people to the land and 0:39:47.960 --> 0:39:50.719 the promises that God made to Israel, they say, well, 0:39:50.719 --> 0:39:53.080 if a plain sense makes sense, seek no other sense. 0:39:53.080 --> 0:39:56.440 But that doesn't make sense. God's done with the Jewish people. 0:39:56.760 --> 0:40:00.680 And so they they then say, that's the church. And 0:40:00.680 --> 0:40:05.600 all of a sudden it changes their whole end of days, uh, 0:40:05.690 --> 0:40:12.730 Plan that they understand. Uh, and so it's important to me, uh, 0:40:12.730 --> 0:40:15.810 in this sense that I think that God keeps his 0:40:15.810 --> 0:40:17.969 word and that the proof that God is going to 0:40:17.969 --> 0:40:20.490 be faithful to Israel. Why is that? Such an important 0:40:20.489 --> 0:40:22.930 proof is because at the end of Romans eight, Paul says, 0:40:22.930 --> 0:40:25.610 nothing is going to separate us from the love of God. 0:40:25.610 --> 0:40:28.450 And you could just see everyone saying, wait a minute, 0:40:28.450 --> 0:40:31.490 what about Israel? God separated from them. And then Romans 0:40:31.530 --> 0:40:34.250 nine through 11 comes to vindicate God, to show no, 0:40:34.250 --> 0:40:37.529 he's going to keep his promises to Israel. And and 0:40:37.530 --> 0:40:40.569 so I think, uh, that leads me to think it's 0:40:40.570 --> 0:40:43.210 important for those of us in the church to have 0:40:43.210 --> 0:40:49.810 confidence in God's faithfulness by, uh, by believing that God 0:40:49.810 --> 0:40:52.690 will keep his promises to Israel. And that leads me 0:40:52.690 --> 0:40:56.489 to taking a much more literal understanding of those end 0:40:56.489 --> 0:40:59.370 of days events than some of my brothers. Now, I'm 0:40:59.410 --> 0:41:03.370 glad they believe in a literal return of Jesus. Now 0:41:03.370 --> 0:41:04.460 you want to add anything about that? 0:41:04.500 --> 0:41:08.020 Well, you know, this is sort of like theological systems 0:41:08.060 --> 0:41:10.060 and and like Michael said, we need to look at 0:41:10.060 --> 0:41:14.780 all of the scripture all together. Well, John Stott said this. 0:41:14.780 --> 0:41:19.580 He says theological systems are certainly illegitimate and even necessary 0:41:19.580 --> 0:41:23.340 academic discipline. But God did not choose to reveal himself 0:41:23.340 --> 0:41:26.660 in a systematic form, and all systems are exposed to 0:41:26.700 --> 0:41:31.260 the same temptation, the same danger, namely, to trim God's 0:41:31.260 --> 0:41:34.820 revelation to fit our system instead of adapting our system 0:41:34.820 --> 0:41:37.380 to accommodate his holistic revelation. 0:41:37.700 --> 0:41:41.540 Yeah. So I think I try to be as, uh, 0:41:41.820 --> 0:41:44.660 faithful and true to the text and even interpret prophetic 0:41:44.660 --> 0:41:48.460 matters literally as best I can. I recognize there are 0:41:48.460 --> 0:41:51.940 symbols and things like that, but there's a literal significance 0:41:51.940 --> 0:41:54.540 to it, and that's why I turn out the way 0:41:54.540 --> 0:41:58.380 I do. Uh eschatologically. Does it separate me from people? 0:41:58.380 --> 0:42:01.820 Do I say, no? I can't have fellowship with that, brother? No, no, no. 0:42:02.180 --> 0:42:04.630 How important is it for us to take a stand? 0:42:05.070 --> 0:42:06.950 You take a stand. You're an educator? 0:42:07.670 --> 0:42:12.150 Well, I think I'm a teacher, but I'm a student first. 0:42:12.469 --> 0:42:15.750 I think anyone that wants to understand God's word should 0:42:15.750 --> 0:42:18.310 do their best to understand it. Because you're going to 0:42:18.310 --> 0:42:22.270 teach someone. So there you go. That's what I think. 0:42:22.310 --> 0:42:25.150 Understand it as best you can. Teach it to someone else. 0:42:27.950 --> 0:42:32.750 Yes. Thank you. I'm Kyle from Carmel, Indiana. And as 0:42:32.750 --> 0:42:35.710 I've listened here just during this, I've been taught what 0:42:35.750 --> 0:42:40.670 a dynamic duo are. I had no idea of your background. So. 0:42:41.350 --> 0:42:44.990 So as I asking this question, it's just kind of morphed. 0:42:44.989 --> 0:42:48.629 But in in light of God being not only my 0:42:48.630 --> 0:42:50.790 God as a Gentile, but the God of the Jews. 0:42:51.190 --> 0:42:54.509 And in light of NDEs, as you mentioned here in 0:42:54.510 --> 0:42:59.310 this country, I watch world events and I watch bombing 0:42:59.350 --> 0:43:03.969 of the Houthis over in Yemen and, and you know, 0:43:04.010 --> 0:43:06.690 be be coming over here Monday and all this and 0:43:06.690 --> 0:43:09.290 I'm like, okay, how do how do I speak to 0:43:09.330 --> 0:43:15.410 my fellow saved or unsaved Jewish or non-Jewish friends and, 0:43:15.410 --> 0:43:19.010 and and reconcile all this kind of thing? 0:43:19.090 --> 0:43:23.730 Mhm. Well, I would say, for example, the bombing of 0:43:23.730 --> 0:43:28.130 the Houthis right now, the United States is involved in 0:43:28.130 --> 0:43:31.850 a serious bombing campaign. It is not for Israel. The 0:43:31.850 --> 0:43:35.330 Jewish people have not made Donald Trump do that, though. 0:43:35.370 --> 0:43:39.969 That's what people who are anti-Semitic will say. Uh, Jewish 0:43:39.969 --> 0:43:44.489 people don't have that much influence. But the the reason 0:43:44.930 --> 0:43:50.250 that is happening is because shipping. Our ships have been attacked. 0:43:50.730 --> 0:43:55.570 Our shipping has been attacked. The United States in the 0:43:55.570 --> 0:43:59.170 the Red sea. And that's why that is being ordered. 0:43:59.610 --> 0:44:01.980 Because it is our shipping. In fact, you know, the 0:44:01.980 --> 0:44:05.100 United States Navy began under Thomas Jefferson because of the 0:44:05.100 --> 0:44:06.219 Barbary pirates. 0:44:06.620 --> 0:44:09.340 Yeah, the Mediterranean pirates. That's where our navy began. 0:44:09.380 --> 0:44:13.140 Yeah, that's to protect our shipping lanes. And that's why 0:44:13.140 --> 0:44:18.140 this is happening. It's not happening because of Israel. Israel 0:44:18.140 --> 0:44:22.580 is handling the Houthi missiles with with the defense systems 0:44:22.580 --> 0:44:26.140 that they have. The Iron Dome is protecting them. But 0:44:26.140 --> 0:44:29.980 the it's the the United States shipping that's under attack. 0:44:29.980 --> 0:44:33.540 And our military vessels in the Red sea are being attacked. 0:44:33.700 --> 0:44:36.420 That's why we are doing this. It's in the interests 0:44:36.420 --> 0:44:39.700 of the United States of America, not for Israel. And 0:44:39.700 --> 0:44:42.620 I want to be really clear about that. Wow. Why 0:44:42.620 --> 0:44:44.980 is Bibi coming here? Because it is in the interests 0:44:44.980 --> 0:44:48.780 of the United States and Israel. Both of us are. 0:44:48.820 --> 0:44:54.180 We're allies, uh, to keep Iran from getting nuclear weapons. 0:44:54.540 --> 0:44:56.620 And I think that that I'm not sure of it, 0:44:56.620 --> 0:45:00.030 but I think that's what that is about. Why? Why 0:45:00.030 --> 0:45:00.790 that's happening. 0:45:01.110 --> 0:45:01.670 Okay. 0:45:01.710 --> 0:45:03.430 Yeah. Do you have a follow up? 0:45:03.630 --> 0:45:08.870 Yes I do. I have, uh, Jewish clients back home, 0:45:08.870 --> 0:45:13.549 and I'm always concerned about calling them because I don't 0:45:13.550 --> 0:45:18.230 want to interrupt their calendar and, ah, their days off 0:45:18.230 --> 0:45:22.790 limits to to their calendar that I shouldn't ever dare call. 0:45:22.989 --> 0:45:26.950 Depends on the observance level of your Jewish friend. You know, 0:45:26.989 --> 0:45:32.150 Jewish people where we are a very varied people. Yeah. Right. 0:45:32.550 --> 0:45:34.910 Some Jewish people are very observant. Don't call them on Shabbat. 0:45:34.950 --> 0:45:37.270 It doesn't matter if you call them on Saturday because 0:45:37.270 --> 0:45:39.670 their phone's off. They're not going to pick it up anyway. 0:45:39.710 --> 0:45:43.830 But there's very not a big orthodox community. Really? Yeah. 0:45:44.190 --> 0:45:46.150 I see, because I have talked to in the past 0:45:46.150 --> 0:45:48.589 and they'll they'll look at one another and say, well, 0:45:48.590 --> 0:45:50.790 we've got such and such. Let's. So I'm like. 0:45:50.870 --> 0:45:53.590 Yeah, don't call him the first night of Passover. They're busy. 0:45:53.630 --> 0:45:56.190 Right. Don't call on Yom Kippur. Otherwise you're pretty safe. 0:45:56.230 --> 0:46:00.319 Yeah. Pretty safe. And usually what they'll what my what 0:46:00.320 --> 0:46:02.319 I do is I turn my phone off when I 0:46:02.320 --> 0:46:06.759 don't want to get a call. So do your Jewish friends. So. Yep. Hey, everyone. 0:46:06.760 --> 0:46:09.759 Thank you for being here. That's the program for the 0:46:09.760 --> 0:46:12.719 week and thanks for listening and thanks, all of you, 0:46:12.719 --> 0:46:15.279 for having the boldness to ask questions right here on 0:46:15.280 --> 0:46:17.840 the radio. Thank you so much for that. Thanks for 0:46:17.840 --> 0:46:22.560 the Open Line team. Uh, Trisha and Omar and Joel 0:46:22.800 --> 0:46:25.840 and Tara. I'm going to forget someone, but I appreciate 0:46:25.840 --> 0:46:28.440 and thanks Joe and Eva for joining me. Keep in 0:46:28.440 --> 0:46:31.440 touch with us by going to our website, Openline. radio.org. 0:46:31.480 --> 0:46:34.319 It's got all the links you're looking for, including how 0:46:34.320 --> 0:46:38.239 to get our current resource and also how to become 0:46:38.239 --> 0:46:41.160 a kitchen table partner. Keep reading the Bible. We'll talk 0:46:41.200 --> 0:46:44.560 about it next week. Open line with Doctor Michael. 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